campaign

[bleak rock]

all the others skills are good

make unouchable a heroe

[crystal crag]

yeah, that is

[bleak rock]

by 3 sec... is really good too

[crystal crag]

if you will use aidan with your dante in 1st position, when you ultr your aidan, dante will become untouchable for 3 seconds

in my case, im using markus tank

[bleak rock]

in arena... Kayla aloneee!!! is a real pain in the a..... well you know where

imagine with kayla at couple

?

[forest flame]

How to pass her anyone?

[bleak rock]

the question is if worth it in campaign

[crystal crag]

i think so , yes

[crystal crag]

waw, you are much higher in campaign for your level

[forest flame]

but I still haven't passed this stage :((

[crystal crag]

yeah, thats what i said, so you need to level up your heroes

you might need Faceless to clone martha speed

not sure Cornelius is needed there

axel pet fight

Fenriz on Jhu

[bleak rock]

how i use the manual mode with the pet? number 6?

[crystal crag]

Q

[bleak rock]

i used and i love it... thank u bro

[forest flame]

nice tks but i dont have Fenziz Blue lmao

[crystal crag]

cool Albus

[bleak rock]

if a use aidan and kayla in campaing, i cant use martha

[spice rapids]

swap someone else out

[bleak rock]

Dante will lost acceleration, and dont have PA

i need to use seb

neb

[jovial smelt]

Ew... what team is that

[bleak rock]

a invention, jajajajaja

[crystal crag]

shadow team lol

[bleak rock]

jajajajaj, good name

[jovial smelt]

horrible

[bleak rock]

bueno, no es un concurso de belleza, lo importante es que gane, jajajajaja

Trans: well, it's not a beauty contest, the important thing is that I win, hahahahaha

[crystal crag]

he had my answer 😉

[jovial smelt]

You won't win soon enough

[crystal crag]

the goal i won that battle, is that mean you call it "horrible" because i won it

[bleak rock]

well is not my team, is a juba team

but well aydan and kayla will be a terrible couple in arena... i think that

i need read iris

[gloomy turret]

@crystal crag I am trying to beat this.

[gloomy turret]

@bleak rock I am going to make my galahad orange+2.

[gloomy turret]

Holy s**t I am trying to beat chapter 14 my hero's are not strong for this.

[meager token]

any ideas for boss fight level 13? i get silenced all the time 😦

[dusky cove]

it depends on your team, but most obvious solution is sebastian o just upgrade your team until they kill it

[gusty bone]

eh seb is not so obvious since ode wil be mostly too low level

lvl 90 or so ode vs lvl 130 boss aint gonna be effective

[meager token]

yep, i have level 87 atm and seb doesnt work. will have to wait for higher level so ode will work. dps is not the problem

[gusty bone]

i burtst him down with dante around level 80 so i dont know

[meager token]

dante gets frozen and silenced too, no matter what i do

[coarse thorn]

Silence has no effect on Dante damage. Attacks and skill that are based on physical attack AND deliver physical damage continue to work normally+

[meager token]

Sure, but when hes a ice cubicle that wont help

[sleek knot]

Do not count on the front line
If you have Phobos, you know what to do. (It is better next to Faceless)
Faceless and Marta are also good. (using Faceless Ultimate after Marta)
Fox is the best.
Finally, you don't need to progress in the campaign every day.
So don't invest on any hero just for the campaign.

[coarse thorn]

I was commenting your sentence saying "Dante is silenced". By the way, simply stop, level up your main team for a week, then retry. This is a SLOW game. You've to think about it in term of MONTHS, not days or weeks. It's a waste to level up heroes only to beat some missions in campaign

[sleek knot]

👍

[meager token]

true, its a bit sad cause i realy like the game and the campaign is the only thing where you can feel progress in more than just 3 fights

[gusty bone]

but progres in campaign wil slow down significantly in 14

it gets realy rough

[coarse thorn]

Well... wars and arena can give nice fun if you can build a good team without wasting resources on too many heroes and on bad heroes. I learnt to take my time... When I cannot 3 star a mission, i usually stop for AT LEAST two weeks, play the game, and then retry once

[sleek knot]

Remember: Hero Wars is a relief run, not a sprint run!

[meager token]

thanks for the advice, will try to be more patient 😉

[sleek knot]

😉

[coarse thorn]

I feel the real progress when our guild make 100 points more in GW against the unbeatable opponent we fight the week before, or when I can manage to get top 200 in arena without too much effort, or when I see 5-6 success defenses in a row in arena... and so on

[gusty bone]

you are bit too conservative on that ;p

[coarse thorn]

On what?

[gusty bone]

waiting 2 weeks for retry ;p

[coarse thorn]

Yep... I don't need to rush... If it's enough I usually win some missions in a row, until I stop again. I rush only when I see that there is an item for my heroes that I can collect from a mission I'm near to. I really don't feel any reason to go on with missions without a real need

[uncut flicker]

Which hero do you have?

This team kill Shavarak too quick :))

[meager token]

i go with ziri, dante, neb, seb, martha. axel pet. but hey , dont compare nearly maxed out to level 87

[uncut flicker]

Do you have Albus at Violet? Put Albus at Violet will help your Sebas to ult faster.'

Or you need keep your Sebas full energy before starting 3rd wave.

[meager token]

sadly not, i just was to fast and need to gather some resources first. only got cain and axel on violet. Just needs more time.

[uncut flicker]

How strong your Dante is?

[meager token]

24.5k

[uncut flicker]

Since your Cain is at Violet, let's try with Dante-Cain as a tank.

Another my account is at lv100, but I pour a lot of resources for him, so he is too strong

[meager token]

i will try, but as i learned today, no rush in this game 😄

[uncut flicker]

This game mainly uses counter heroes to hit high power

Example: Isaac, Archne control mages

@meager token If you play Dante team, you need build Iris, Arachne, Sebas, Dorian, Isaac to rank up in Arena.

[gusty bone]

and Nebula

[gloomy turret]

@mystic sand What chapter are you in hero wars.

@gusty bone What chapter are you in hero wars.

[gusty bone]

14

[gloomy turret]

@meager token use yasmine silence does nothing to her

[unborn escarp]

hi

[tepid forum]

hi

[unborn escarp]

sup

[dusky cove]

#😜off-topic

[spice rapids]

they allowed to say hi lmfao

[gloomy canopy]

Bruh Galabad sucks

[gloomy canopy]

Also your team is not good

[gloomy canopy]

Damn nice pets

[gloomy turret]

@gloomy canopy What do you mean my hero is not good.

[gloomy canopy]

Your team composition isn't very good

The team members don't work well with each other and some of them are just not good at anything

For example, Galahad, Thea, and Yasmine are all sub-optimal picks

Additionally, Celeste and Martha on the same team is redundant

Oliver is not a good pet either

And you clearly spread your investment throughout all of your heroes instead of concentrating it

Cool that you have Cleaver though

Delete this, it's bad advice

[gloomy turret]

@gloomy canopy I got cleaver from winterfest presents and you can get 3 soul stone chests cleaver needs 630 soul stones and from hero soul stone chests you would get 300 soul stones.

[gloomy canopy]

@sleek knot If you search online what you'll find is a lot of stuff for mobile and outdated web/fb info

Best to talk with people actively playing

Generating new responses in the moment

[gloomy canopy]

🤦‍♂️

You can't get Cleaver in the hero soul stone chests...

[sleek knot]

😂

[gloomy canopy]

The best pick from winterfest by far is raid ticket

Cleaver is basically useless

He's not a good hero at all 😭

I mean he's ok but definitely not optimal

[sleek knot]

Just don't spend any money on this account.
I think you have been playing for about 3/4 months.
Get help from your group mates who have more experience.
After you decide which heroes to use, make the best use of the resources you get. You are not supposed to upgrade all your heroes.

[gloomy turret]

@gloomy turret has been playing for three years almost

[gloomy canopy]

How do you know? That seems like very little progress for 3 years

He's lvl 97 with no O2s or above at 3 years of play?

[jovial smelt]

Lazy player

Also why do you two have similar pfps

[unique hazel]

is it even possible to get O2 at level 97

only certain heroes can

[gloomy canopy]

Idk

[gloomy canopy]

Maybe not

[neat forge]

I am trying to finish Path of Madness without leveling Cornelius who I don't even have summoned. Any suggestions?

My last attempt got the Priest down below half but he just heals right up.

[tall void]

ishmael... get a fafnir

drop arachne

[neat forge]

Love Fafnir with Ish. I can't seem to get better results with that pair though.

[gloomy canopy]

You can try Yasmine on the priests or you can drop Martha if your Ish vamps enough and put Neb in Martha's place

I also don't understand what Jhu is doing there

[neat forge]

I don't have Yasmine unfortunately. Jhu was there to hit the priest in the back row. I read posts saying that you need someone to go back there and try to kill the priest first. I'll try Neb is Martha's place

[gloomy canopy]

If you're having trouble with the priests just buy Cornelius from friendship shop

Idk honestly

[neat forge]

Alright, that's what I'll do. Thanks.

[supple marlin]

Im stuck at chapter 11

any suggestions

[crimson nova]

what team r u using

[dusky cove]

upgrade your heroes

[crimson nova]

true 🤣

[coarse thorn]

Take your time. Level up 2-3 levels and then try again. Kayla is effective aginst those freezing things in the back, but I think it doesn't worth to level up and use a lot of resources on an hero you do not use only to beat chapter 11

[jovial smelt]

@gloomy turret Why are you white again? And a newcomer?

[gloomy turret]

WHAT did you just call me?!!

oh, wait... Hey!! hugs

[jovial smelt]

lol

[gloomy turret]

because it's a new account, apparently lol, but hey I was just leaving

[jovial smelt]

But seriously, what happened?

[jovial smelt]

Is your old acc still here?

[gloomy turret]

apparently they delete in 14 days idk

[gloomy turret]

does it really matter? now that I'm here?

[jovial smelt]

Oh yeah

[jovial smelt]

Nah 🤗

[gloomy turret]

or everybody just misses my Pumpkin-Ginger Rank? 😛

[gloomy turret]

can't react wiff Emojis sorry hah, I need to be around longer or something now

🤗

[jovial smelt]

Wait till level 5 🙂

[gloomy turret]

😈

I'll be so buff and strong, nobody will even be ready for it!! rubs hands together like a fly muahahahaha

[jovial smelt]

Wow big chat clear

[crimson nova]

;-;

[late rivet]

Any advice for Chapter 14 Path of Madness? I can't even get past the first wave right now - that Priest of Seymour just keeps healing everyone faster than I can do damage. Dante and Kayla are my damage-dealers but Dante just never ults because the Drilling Installation keeps burning his energy. Is there a way to stop this? Sebastian or some other hero that stops debuffs?

I have Sebastian but he's weak - I don't want to invest in him right now unless I know this will help

[tall void]

seb is useful for many reasons including clearing debuffs, investing in him is a good idea

not just for campaign but for other modes

[late rivet]

Yeah I know, he's just not very high on my "to-do" list right now. I feel like I need to get my core team up much higher before I invest in other heroes like Sebastian. But if he is needed to advance in campaign I will do it - I need to open up as many farm locations as possible to make the most of my energy.

I'm just not sure if the "energy burn" from the drilling installation actually counts as a debuff? Or is it just considered part of their regular attack (which Seb can't prevent)?

[lament tundra]

I'd recommend to park it, if you struggle, as you end up wasting energy and time. I did it around lvl 90 and I positioned my damager (Dante) a little back, so he didn't have energy burned and then he could 1-shot the healer with Nebula orb on. I struggled with tanking the damage with Astaroth, especially magic, so I took Arachne to stun & give him more time and used Celeste for single target healing.

[jovial smelt]

Don't use 2 DDs

[late rivet]

I tried that. I put Celeste (not strong, but my number 7 hero) in for Dante to try and reverse some of the healing, but it didn't work. They still healed much too fast and Celeste died partway through, so it was worse than before.

[jovial smelt]

Use cornelius

To take out the priest

Jhu could also help

[jovial smelt]

It counts

[late rivet]

OK thanks, I'll try Sebastian then. He seems more useful long term than Cornelius (and he's at least at 10k for me already)

[fervent fable]

i used magda/ faceless/cornelius /morrigan/dante . fire cornelius then faceless to copy his power , got me through 4 levels of chapter 14, includeing path of madness

[gloomy turret]

noooooooooo

you blocked me

[maiden onyx]

I meet opponent have high def, so what I should do

in chapter 14

[dusky cove]

upgrade your attack

[gusty bone]

level up ..

iria can help imensly too

[junior sparrow]

iris is suprisingly powerful

ish

exactly. I saw a taste of that during the birthday celebration

and combined with dante and cain, martha as healer for more speed...

[late rivet]

How strong was your damage dealer? I have dante at ~70k right now, and Kayla just over 60k. And Cornelius / Faceless? I am running low on resource now because I've been pumping Sebastian, but it really isn't helping. I can get Dante to ult at the end of the fight but by then it's too late.

[torn mango]

We all can clear so easily if only we levl up heros

[late rivet]

OK so just keep leveling Dante to 100k? That's probably what it will take to break through here. I need him to do about 1,000,000 damage without using his ult, lol

[torn mango]

Yeah, Dante will do much in campaign

I beat Seymour with Dante tank team

If Dante dodge first attack, we can beat Seymour easily

Dante, Jhu, sebas nebura martha

[late rivet]

OK thanks, I'll just keep leveling Dante for now. I don't have any of the others strong yet, just Kayla Jorgen Asta and Thea, it's not a very good team tbh but everyone else I have is still so weak...

[kindred stone]

and what power was ur dante again?

last time I checked people with near "max dante" beat Seymour

[kindred stone]

won't be strong enough for seymour

[jovial smelt]

How do you have such a huge dante

[dim dove]

time and focus..
and maybe a bit of 💸 , not sure where he is there

[gusty bone]

maoney lol you dont get that big dante in server 157 that fast even if you hard focus with no cash

[real shell]

guys, i want to get on all loots when i have completed any campaign !! but i can`t sometime i take it and sometime no

[late rivet]

OK thanks, for now I just want to get past Path of Madness and start advancing again. My main goal is to open up farm locations as much as possible - there are some rich missions I can't farm yet.

[dire oar]

I finally 3 stared runaway princess... levelling up like 15+ levels and 1 violet/3 blue pets, since entering campaign 14.

[gloomy turret]

everyone can with 140k dante

man such a good advice

"get a 140k DD then it is easy"

[gusty bone]

i am at 100k dante and khornak destroys me ~~

[gusty bone]

possibly ;p

[dusky cove]

because it is how this game is made - you have only some chance to get loot

[gloomy turret]

it will be good if they will create andother map for another campaign story and more minigames 😦

[tight cipher]

Yeah idk why they didn't make those all stars Minigames for all campaign chapters

Laziness?

[gloomy turret]

it will be good if the will make another minigames to each chapter

[grizzled raven]

Any beginner advice? Like....characters not worth leveling or mistakes to avoid?

[gusty bone]

galahad,artemis,daredevi, ginger,astrid, darkstar are all bad

stil bad

just less worse

can stall you out .. on defense can work against other bad teams .. but does nothing on offense even at high power

[coarse thorn]

Level only your main team of 5 heroes (maybe 6 or even 7 if you want benchmens, but better 5). Do not spend gems until you are sure you have a good grasp of the game. This is a slow game, level 60 in 2-3 weeks, level 80 in 2-3 months, than high level in 1-2 years. Do not spend special resources (skin stones, runes for glyphs, gift of elements, artifact resources) until you have a good grasp of the game (you won't need those buff at early level, thus keep them or you'll regret wrong use). A good team is usually so made: 1 tank (Aurora, Astaroth and Corvus are common choices). 1 damage dealer (Dante, Yasmine, Heidi are common choices). 1 healer (Martha, Celeste and Dorian are common choices, until you drop them, go on with Thea). 2 support/control heroes (Nebula, Sebastian, Jorgen, Arachne are used a lot). Choice your preferred team, look for their soul stones in shops and missions and stick with those 5 at least until level 70-80, than you can consider if you have enough resources to build additional heroes. Heroes seems all good at low level, but most of them aren't

[grizzled raven]

fantastic answer! thank you so much.

[coarse thorn]

I've to copy it in a notepad file so that I won't need to write it again and again 😄

[grizzled raven]

💯

[tribal edge]

the ads for this game showed a fun looking minigame where you click up a tower and gain numbers but i literally think that doesn't exist lol

[spare minnow]

Not on Web/ Facebook, maybe Mobile, (see Hero-wars Central's video on it.)

[tribal edge]

what video

[spare minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/live/qwqFgz-xLh4?feature=share

[tight cipher]

It's on for some accounts, they are testing it

[fathom zinc]

Astrid and Lucas is good in campaign?

[tribal edge]

oh, it looks fun

[gusty bone]

its on mobile for new players now

[coarse thorn]

Decent... But do not worth anyway to invest in it imho

[dense rover]

noOoOoOo

[junior sparrow]

How is lvl 80 in 2-3 months slow? I got to lvl 80 in 1 year of solid playing and 2 calendar years! How much are you spending?!? Don't you have a job?!?!?!

You would have to in order to spend that much...

[tight cipher]

3 months is reasonable, even faster if you only spend on ticket and Valkyrie's favor

[coarse thorn]

1$ and vip 1. With vip 1 and raid you do not need more than 15-20 minutes to do all the daily tasks

[junior sparrow]

I have spent not a single cent on this game.

And I never will, nor can I.

[tight cipher]

How annoying that must be to play it

[junior sparrow]

I don't have a disposable income.

and I spend my evenings with my family or freinds, instead of in front of a computer.

[tight cipher]

It's spend on entertainment, its also important in life

And as they said you spend half hour inside this game unless you devise some tactics or something

[junior sparrow]

I spend money on streaming services for television and hard-copy videogames; and that's it for entertainment.

I'm fine with watching ads on Youtube

[gusty bone]

so you sepdn liek 60 dollar for hard copy of video game but 1 dollar here is too much eh ?

[tight cipher]

Each to their own, but why you are getting out your situation to compare how slow/fast something is when you don't play

[junior sparrow]

Yes.

[coarse thorn]

Vip1 is 1$. If you say you don't want to spend on this game, that's perfectly ok. If you say you've not 1$ to spend while you say that you spend on streaming services... well... it's sound wierd

[gusty bone]

i dont understand this logic sorry

[junior sparrow]

The hardcopy videogame will never hike up prices or go bankrupt.

It will exist for eternity until it gets physically damaged.

[gusty bone]

but you wil be done in a month probably and never touch it again ;p ;p\

[coarse thorn]

1$ for ENTIRE GAME LIFE. it's not 1$ each month or the like.

[gloomy turret]

1 dollar is literally nothing 🤣

just skip ur morning coffee

for 1 day lol

[junior sparrow]

Actually, It takes me a while to play through things.

[tight cipher]

It will exist, but you won't be able to play it sooner or later

[junior sparrow]

I can spend a year on a 3d mario or zelda game

and I have a wii that I buy games for.

[coarse thorn]

With vip1 you can raid adventures. Without it I really cannot understand how can you play this game for more than one month without hating it 😄

[junior sparrow]

That thing has ten yrs of entertainment at least just for me to buy and finish all the first party games.

Another 5 years for every single Mario party.

[coarse thorn]

Playing manually like 1000 energy... 5 hours of uninterrupted playing of the same mission over and over... brrrr... unthinkable

[junior sparrow]

by then I might even get whatever ridiculous AR console they will have by then

I'm thinking about getting a Ds Lite. That's everything on the Gameboy Advance too.

I don't need to spend money on this game.

[tight cipher]

Well then don't compare your playtime to other people that play this game

[coarse thorn]

But it's unthinkable to spend 1$ on this game. I suggest you to stop playing this game at all, because without vip1 is more a boring routine than a game

[junior sparrow]

I'm saying you guys should take your time. Don't rush life.

[coarse thorn]

I took vip1 to take my time. So that I don't need to play this game more than 10-20 minutes a day and still develop my account

You're seeing it in the opposite way. With 1$ you can use this game 10-20 minutes a day. Without it you have to play it 3-4 hours a day or leave the account undeveloped. And if you leave your account undeveloped, just play another game

[finite yarrow]

finally

[undone stirrup]

what are the best setup of heros

for a beginner !

ye

[gusty bone]

eh galhad i would drop asap after 40 at best

keira is prety mediocre in current meta

[orchid vigil]

Runaway Princess still cannot beat it, so need to level up more because in lvl109 I can only pass first fight with my team

[gusty bone]

i am probably smarter thna avrge palyer i noticed he is not goonabe good fast ;p

but i dont just autopilot ..arena ights i watched replays and saw what happens .. draw conclusons

poeple go to levle 130 and dont even notcie ther 3rd slot dante sucks

took me few battles to notice that at 75 lol

i reach violet at some first heroes and saw what they can do

unfrtnly not much ;p ;p

[whole wren]

Astaroth, Maya, Arachne, Celeste and Heidi ... if we take heroes you already possess

[undone stirrup]

ok i will play on this comb

[undone stirrup]

maya is insane in healing wow

ok ihave another Question what is the best and suitable vip lvl ?

6 or 5 ?

this game dives me to spend.. owh

[dusky cove]

there are significant rewards for vip 5 and vip 8

[whole wren]

Maya with Biscuit as pet is a damage dealer 😉 ... she strings the enemies together, so that Arachne (with Mara) can stun them all

[undone stirrup]

iam still lvl 34 ;D

i literally just started the game last night ;D

and i really enjoy it

[whole wren]

Unse these 4 ... Oliver or Axel as team pet, if pets are available ... Olli for Asta, Khorus for Celeste, Biscuit for Maya, Mara for Arachne and Albus for Heidi ... most important: keep the progress slow, this game is a mararhon, not a sprint

[undone stirrup]

hmm whatd o u mean by keep the progress slow ?

[whole wren]

Resist the temptation to spend money to further your progress ... Valkyries Favour is verygood to invest ... the rest comes with patience

[undone stirrup]

i see i got your point now

[undone stirrup]

so should i active it ?

[whole wren]

Faster Battles, Raid, more artifact coins and every friday 5 artifact chest keys ... forless than 2 bucks ... so if you wantto spend money, yes 😉

[undone stirrup]

ok i have another Question i know iam asking alot

what are the benefits behind the Valkyries favour ? it can help me to make my characters more stronger ?

and also can help me in leveling them up or >

[whole wren]

As i wrote, it helps with artifacts. Artifacts are a important part of hero strength. And once a month we get a reward for have it activated ... it sums up over time ... its really worth the net value

[undone stirrup]

i see thanks alot rly fo helping me ❤️

[whole wren]

You are welcome!

[neat forge]

Path of Madness, finally! Thanks for answering so many of my questions here.

[undone stirrup]

lets see how's the investment isgoing to ;D

[tight cipher]

valkyrie's favor is very good

[undone stirrup]

yes makes my battle more faster

[tight cipher]

that's the least useful one from those options

[undone stirrup]

can you tell me how can i get the full benefits from it ? like whom should i foucs on

Artifacts?

[tight cipher]

you get new expedition, so faster artifact leveling, and also 150 titanite every day in dungeon

which mean faster titans

[undone stirrup]

titans only helps in dungeons ?

[tight cipher]

guild wars

tournament

without titans you are useless for your guild

[undone stirrup]

i see

there is alot of things to under stand in this game

uahh.

[tight cipher]

i am beginner myself

but yeah at first stuff you need to do seems like a lot

[undone stirrup]

iam beginner too just started last night

[undone stirrup]

xD

[tight cipher]

if i did not spend a little i would reset my account, learned a lot after already doing some mistakes

[undone stirrup]

ok tell me your mistakes ! so i wouldn't do it

• what are the perfect way to level up my team ? because icant pass some campagins because my team still weak

[tight cipher]

you don't need to rush campaign

basically my mistake i put resources into stuff that didn't belong to my team, which slowed me down

[undone stirrup]

i see

[brave pine]

what level do u need to beat chapter 8?

[floral zenith]

its not about level

it's about your heroes, team synergy, and other stuff like glyphs, gift of the elements, asension, artifacts

[tight cipher]

I think i did it on like 64 or something

Don't remember, but around that

Boss is quite hard

[jagged radish]

breh

[dire oar]

How long have people been stuck in Champaign 14, I finally 3 stared Runaway Princess, now on next one & I'm running out of time on third stage (at least I'm not dying).

[gusty bone]

chapter 14 gets you stuck for long time everyn next mode is much harder

[dusky cove]

now wait just for 14th mission in this chapter which takes weeks to complete

[gusty bone]

i am having trouble with khornak

tried to time dante ult to push bombs away but rarely works

[dusky cove]

easiest way to deal with bomb is armor artifact weapon timed right before explosion... or blind..
can also stun bombs to get more time to kill it

[meager ether]

I used frontline team (tank, dante, yas, QM(10k only), with martha

bomb attacks backline so only martha and dante gets affected, but they dont die and martha heals to full health

[gusty bone]

ah my 140k hp martha insta dies

[meager ether]

Im currently stuck at the mission b4 seymour... corny too weak to kill priest in first wave, and theres a wave with 2 priests

[meager ether]

mine was 100k hp tho...

[gusty bone]

so i dont know

[meager ether]

i think its becos the bomb is alws at half health when it detonates, so less dmg

[dusky cove]

armor stat... glyph, artifact buff...

and for corny - no idea why so many ppl says he is a must in campaign if he works in first 2 or 3 missions with priests only unless you pump him up quite high

just any hero attacking multiple targets or some stuns/silence targetting last line and priests can do nothing

with multi-targeting it is either priest start healing other hero and die, or start healing himself and let others die then follow when left alone

[undone stirrup]

who got the highest dps or which character is better ?

Keira
Dante
Arachne

[gusty bone]

arachne is not DPS

[undone stirrup]

i see
so dante or keira ?

[gusty bone]

dante

[undone stirrup]

i see

[undone stirrup]

what are the best setup i could use ?

[coarse thorn]

You lack a good tank. Take Astaroth and bring to violet. Then I suggest you to unlock one between Sebastian, Nebula and Jorgen and play Astaroth-Dante-Celeste-XXXX-Thea (change Thea with Martha once you get her)

[coarse thorn]

And most important: STOP LEVELING ALL HEROES. For 2 reasons: 1) You'll run out of gold and xp potions much quicker than you think; 2) Tower difficulty is based on your team level AND your total hero power; if you level up too many heroes, you'll have problems to clean up all the tower

[coarse thorn]

These are the basic suggestion I always give to low level players.
Level only your main team of 5 heroes (maybe 6 or even 7 if you want benchmens, but better 5). Do not spend gems until you are sure you have a good grasp of the game. This is a slow game, level 60 in 2-3 weeks, level 80 in 2-3 months, than high level in 1-2 years. Do not spend special resources (skin stones, runes for glyphs, gift of elements, artifact resources) until you have a good grasp of the game (you won't need those buff at early level, thus keep them or you'll regret wrong use). A good team is usually so made: 1 tank (Aurora, Astaroth and Corvus are common choices). 1 damage dealer (Dante, Yasmine, Heidi are common choices). 1 healer (Martha, Celeste and Dorian are common choices, until you drop them, go on with Thea). 2 support/control heroes (Nebula, Sebastian, Jorgen, Arachne are used a lot). Choice your preferred team, look for their soul stones in shops and missions and stick with those 5 at least until level 70-80, than you can consider if you have enough resources to build additional heroes. Heroes seems all good at low level, but most of them aren't

[undone stirrup]

dang thats for those tips it rly shows me how can i start or you put a road for me

[coarse thorn]

One more tip: the damage dealer is the most important hero, thus you should use 60-80% of your resources to make him/her stronger, the rest to make your tank survive and then to make your healer/supports help the damage dealer survive and deal more damage

[undone stirrup]

so i should give about 60% of my resourses to damge dealer to deal more damge such as Dante

and about 40% to the tank to survive

after that i should be able to give few resoures to supports to make my damge dealer survive right ?

so should i start to work on and use my resourses on them Dante and Astaroth ?

[coarse thorn]

I will say 70% to the damage dealer, than divide equally the rest between the other 4 but with a special eye for the tank to be sure he survive enough to give your damage dealer start doing damage

[undone stirrup]

i see
should i start to use this resourse 4k ? on upgrading

[coarse thorn]

Astaroth needs to be violet to be effective
But generally speaking all heroes starts to be effective when violet, thus the priority is to make violet all of them

[coarse thorn]

This is what I was saying. Do not spend special resources until you have a good grasp of the game. The first skin for dante to be pumped is usually "Armor penetration" and THEN the agility or the Dodge (all skin bonuses stack, not only the one you choose).
First concentrate to make them all violet

You can think about glyph, artifact, gift of elements and skin in a second moment... But if you want to start now, I suggest you:
Dante Armor penetration skin
Astaroth Barbarian skin (completely avoid the magic attack bonus skin... magic attack for astaroth is a waste) and health skin
Do not put points in Dante armor. He survive to physical attack with dodge and the less the armor, the quicker he charges energy when he dodges
Do not spend special resources on Thea. She's your healer now, but you'll leave her to Martha once you get the old lady

More about Astaroth. First skill is good at low level, but do not scale up enough, thus people usually stop to level first skill at about level 40-50, to save gold. Same apply for skill 3 and 4 for Thea... do not worth to spend there if your plan is to leave her when you get Martha.

[undone stirrup]

i dont know what i should say to thank you ... bro but you rly helped me alott

now ihave aroad map i could be follow up

I will be foucsing on getting my Core champs only as tell me to make them voilet till iget a good grasp of the game and till i grant alot of resoures

[coarse thorn]

Good to know it helped! Happy gaming!

[undone stirrup]

❤️ ❤️ thanks alot

[undone stirrup]

i have another Question what are the best titans i could use ?

[coarse thorn]

First you have to learn this. When you reach level 60, you unlock the titan valley where there is the altar of elements. In this altar you have the chance to drop a very powerfull things called "totem", that works like a pet for titans but it's much stronger and make the team much stronger. This totem is of one element and you can play it if you deploy at least 3 titans of that element. You gain the first totem using 4500 gems on that altar (thus you have to be at that level with 4500 gems at hand) and this totem will be of your strongest element (sum of power of titans of that element)... continue...

Thus, you have to choose your main element (water, earth or fire) because that element will be your first totem (the second fragment will be at 45k gems spent, and will be again of your strongest element, the third will be at 466k gems and will be random, but f2p players do not go that far). Thus you choose your main element basing on the totem you want and your goal (continue...)

Water: best for f2p because it helps a lot digging the dungeon because the totem cure all titans
Earth: best in wars at high level especially on defense
Fire: good to attacking even stronger opponents in wars, because you can deliver a good amount of damage even with weaker teams.
If you're a f2p and you plan to spend not much real money, water is usually considered a good choice.
Thus, Sigurd (the water tank) higer level than any other tank, then Hyperion (the super titan, when you'll get it), then the rest
Until you do not have the totem and Hyperion, it can be a good choice to include some sort of healing in your main team (Mort the dark support or Iyari the light support) and eventually Avalon (the earth support) for the shield that help in the dungeon a bit

To be sure to drop the water totem at level 60 (or the totem you prefer if you choose another element) just be sure that the sum of power of all your water titans (or the titans of the element you choose) is higher than the sum of power of the titans of other elements

[undone stirrup]

i see thanks alott ❤️

[neat forge]

Any suggestions on Chapter 14-12 Into the Abyss? I keep timing out. I kill the second turret but there are 5 or so drones still left. When I use Fafnir instead of Isaac, the golem keeps reviving.

[jovial smelt]

Fafnir for Jhu, maybe? Also use Axel to make sure the others ult faster

[spice tusk]

Makes me feel like I sped run the game tbh lol, lvl 60 in alt was a bit over 1week I think😅

[fallow jay]

Do I have a team here I should be focusing on? Or anything I could add from the merchant to fill in?

Ahh much appreciated ty

[coarse thorn]

Ehehe... I write code all day long... I write without looking at the keyboard and at a considerably speed... thus, I write a lot without even being aware of it 😄
It's more or less like talking for me

[hallow oak]

thanks for suggestions Leilond

[gusty bone]

wrojng discord it aint mobile version

[coarse thorn]

Mobile game discord invite here: #📩discord-invites message

[coarse thorn]

Not so unlikely. I wrote 2-3 weeks because new players (not second account) are usually a bit slower to understand how to optimize things 😉

[undone stirrup]

wom should i choose ?

whom=-

[coarse thorn]

None... but you can't. Choose one, do not spend any resource, wait you drop Axel and go with Axel

[undone stirrup]

ok thanks alot leilond ❤️ !

[coarse thorn]

Once Axel is blue, you can start to build Cain (to make it patronage on Dante) or Oliver (to make it patronage on your tank)

[undone stirrup]

i see

[meager ether]

Yup so choose oliver as first

Oliver patronage is also very important for Isaac on your LOL OSH team

[undone stirrup]

thanks alotttttt

[exotic latch]

hey , i need some advice , i really want to play ishmael as my main dps but don't know who to play with i'm just 54 🙂

[spare minnow]

A good team might be Ish, Fafnir, Sebastion, Nebula, and Iris substituting Iris eout for Martha when you need more healing.

[exotic latch]

thx for answer but fafnir is unobtainable at this moment 😒

[gusty bone]

he is

kinda, need SS chest

only unobtainable heroes are kayla and myshy and shroom right now

[exotic latch]

oh ok , my bad so

[gloomy turret]

lol, can relate 😂

[undone stirrup]

@coarse thorn what best team i could use ?

iam confused between

Astaroth - Dante - Jorgen - Thea - celeste or Astaroth - Dante - Jorgen - Thea - Aiden or Astaroth - Dante - Jorgen - Maya - Aiden

[coarse thorn]

Aiden has nothing to do in those teams. I suggest, with the heroes you are talking about, Astaroth-Dante-Celeste-Jorgen-Thea(Martha)

For Arena... For campaign Jorgen isn't very effective (most enemies do not use energy) and you can think to add another hero in place of him

[undone stirrup]

whom should i add instead of Jorgen ? to be effective in campagins

especially chapter 7

[gloomy turret]

Nebula (if you can get her), buffs dante's physical attack with violet skill. Nebula buff+ dante ult=all chapter 7 enemies gone. Otherwise another damage dealer (e.g. Heidi) to buff dodge for whole team.

[coarse thorn]

I usually suggest to not do it... Level up an hero only for campaign can get you some resources. But if I've to say, I'll suggest Sebastian or Nebula

[undone stirrup]

dang i dont have them ;D

[dark ibex]

Is there any way i should build a team?
My team right now is Astaroth-Maya-Celeste-Astrid and Lucas - Daredevil

[undone stirrup]

check this

this can help you to build a perfect team

[white creek]

I realize I'm asking this of the people who are left, but how many people (do you think) beat Seymour and then quit the game? It seems like there's no big goal after that.

[gusty bone]

thats not type of game where you paly to finish story line

wrong genre honestly if someone did that

[dim dove]

im still here a year after doing that and there are still lots of things to do..
campaign was only one of many goals in the game, and it never was my main goal

[white creek]

Okay thanks. I just did it today and I have this "now what?" feeling.

[dim dove]

well.. outland, arena, guild war, guild raid, CoW 🙂

adventure 13s

outland and adventure 13 are the easiest there.. nex would be guild raid minions in most cases

[sonic frost]

I want a campagn team including Galahad (because I like Galahad). any ideas? ||Ping me to answer||

[unique hazel]

No

[unique hazel]

Suggestion: Leave this server to avoid the cyber bullying coming your way

[sonic frost]

I know people don't like galahad, hovever, it's my favorite hero because I like the green numbers it gets

[dusky cove]

but they are so low they are nearly worthless... any good healer gives much higher to everybody in a team

[vapid notch]

Yeah, I'd agree Galahad doesn't protect the team much because his artifact weapon doesn't even give armor.. His raw stats are pretty okay though. If you're going for damage from a tank Corvus or Aurora is likely better and they have skills/artifacts that benefit them/their allies more.

Galahad kind of seems like a dude who wants to be a warrior (and simp) but just isn't quite there \😂

[coarse thorn]

At low level nearly every hero seems to work. But some of them simply doesn't. Galahad is suboptimal at higher level. That's all... it's not terrible as Chabba or Ginger, but there are simply too many tanks that works better than him

[dim dove]

chabba at least sees some play in endgame CoW. galahad does not.

[sonic frost]

45% vampirism on a tank? Amazing!

[jovial smelt]

It is not... Since he does low damage, vampirism simply does not heal him enough. In addition, what use is healing if he dies?

[sonic frost]

that's fair... But with armor piercing it works

[jovial smelt]

His attack is just not enough... the Armor Pen is useless

[dusky cove]

it works.. up to level 40... then he works somewqhat to level 60 and after that starts being useless

[undone stirrup]

@coarse thorn bro iam very Confused now since i have reached my core heros voilet but now iam confused between 2

Maya or Thea ? i have been using both in campagin and both doing a great work but since u told me to priotize my resourses so i will make 1 of them voilet whom sshould i choose ?

( Till i get martha )

[young kelp]

Maya is much more useful than Thea as she also does a significant amount of damage, and moreover it's pure damage, not affected by armor, magic defense, and dodge.
But (of course) she won't directly replace Thea in doing as much healing as Thea does.

[undone stirrup]

i see

[sly steeple]

Maya is an absolute beast and heals your team at a much better rate per second

[dusky cove]

she isn't... at higher levels she is not even considered ahealer

[sly steeple]

What's considered a healer at higher levels?

[bronze shale]

martha

[dusky cove]

best 3 are martha, celeste and dorian - though each of them works best in different teams

[jovial smelt]

Thea's healing is *tiny *

[kindred oar]

didn't Thea get reworked in the last year?

[dusky cove]

no.. she just got ascension skills which make her a bit better but still she need to be maxed including ascension to get mediocre rank instead of bad

[coarse thorn]

As other player said, none of the two is considered a good healer at high level, by the way thea heal better, while maya do a bit more damage. Use one of the two until you get Martha. I suggest thea

[undone stirrup]

i see

[hallow oak]

what teams go best with martha, celeste and dorian?

[coarse thorn]

You do not build a team around an healer, you build a team around a damage dealer and then you take the healer that better fit the damage dealer. First choose the damage dealer

[dark ibex]

Is Thea-Sebastian-Arachne-Astaroth-Kayla an okay team? If not what should i change

[gusty bone]

Kayla without Aidan is bad

just a suicide glass canon and her damage is much lower without him

[meager ether]

if u remove kayla and add in another DD then shld be fine... also thea isnt rlly the best healer in the game

alternatively if u want kayla then swap thea for aidan ig

[undone stirrup]

@coarse thorn old lady just joinedd

[meager ether]

Good choices of heroes 🙂

Of all the heroes u shown, u picked arguably the best 5 (some say aurora is better than asta end game)

[undone stirrup]

should i replace Aiden with Celeste ? some times i feel aiden is better

[meager ether]

I dont think aiden is better than celeste

[dusky cove]

more like nebula..

[undone stirrup]

still didnt get nebula

i will replace nebluawith jorgen

when i get her

[meager ether]

Aiden is ok with kayla but i dont recommend him on your team

If u dont want Celeste, u can consider support heroes like Seb that can counter heroes like Arachne

[undone stirrup]

iam stuck here xD

[dusky cove]

just level up a bit...
btw - do you know in most browsers you can just right click in middle of game in browser and select "copy picture"?

[undone stirrup]

didn't know it works ;D in the game

[teal sleet]

yeah. But an Ishmael+Seb+Faf with Galahad is killer. As well as Keira+Qing Mao+Seb blender.

[dusky cove]

ishmael/seb/faf combo is a killer... and it performs MUCH better without galabad obstructing ishmael's performance...

same with keira blender - used to be great but now it is much harder to make her work properly

[covert lichen]

oh yea

you don't need galahad at all in this meta

[dark ibex]

Instead of this, now im using Astaroth-Dante-Martha-Sebastian-Nebula
Im wondering if i should use yasmine instead of Dante or maybe switch out Nebula? I also have celeste if I need to switch out martha

[unique hazel]

no, what you have is quite good

eventually if your dante is strong enough, you can replace astaroth with iris and use dante as the tank

[meager ether]

Yup, yasmine is NOT better than dante

tho yasmine can be quite a force against OSH unlike dante

[dim dove]

only on lower levels - on lvl 150 she needs to be almost maxed to do anything, on lvl 160 shes useless

so if u dont main her, there is no use of building her for osh

[meager ether]

Yea true

Jhu + Seb best

[dim dove]

yea, meta team is known to anyone paying a minimum attention 😉

[gusty bone]

Killed khornak but onyl dante left

the bombs are too frequent .. i disables first few but after a few i wasnt able to dante ult on time

[gusty bone]

33 coolant in first try

[meager ether]

Nice

[gusty bone]

my titans are not big 190k

[dire oar]

What team are you using, I'm 155 after three attempts. The double healers are bothersome to me.

[gusty bone]

i used dante cel neb seb martha didnt know what will be there

i heard something about it

i wanted to push khornak hard to start those

even though i finshed khornak with just 1 star

[meager ether]

yes took me more than a month with 250k

[gusty bone]

ouch ;p

[gusty bone]

i cannot 3star into the abyss though

always jhu or something dies in 3rd stage

[gloomy turret]

it took me 20 days with 1 star fire totem

[river mason]

I've been stuck on run away princess for awhile

[vale void]

Same but I got 2 star on it I cant beat the next one

[gusty bone]

i tried many options

usauly 3rd stage jhu dies or someoen else

[storm jackal]

by hand play is not everybody thing 🙂

but in chapter 14 and 15 it is necessary if you go on with a low power hero team

[gusty bone]

garou cool but if my dante was that big probably would be much easier

ii play manual

but my heroes arent as big as yours

your jhu also bigger

besdies me not having jet

my dante 106k not 146k ;p

[gusty bone]

mines martha is realy low

techincaly higher than your though ;p maybe not on artifact ;p

[jovial smelt]

How does cain do 2 damage

ahhh

[gusty bone]

eh was so close to 3 star that into the abyss

but jhu died close tot he end .. need him tougher

[uncut stirrup]

Hello

Anyone one

[gloomy turret]

lol tot means dead in german

[storm jackal]

@uncut stirrup what do you want? 🙂

[toxic canopy]

I think he meant to the end, typo lol

[patent tree]

Alvanor was my main tank for most of the chapter 14 and 15 content. 14 biss had to switch it up and for the last two in chapter 15, switched to Yasmine as tank.

[gloomy turret]

ik that is why it is funny 🤦‍♂️

[magic knoll]

please give me some tips, how to beat this level in the camp (git gud answers please leave me alone) - its the 11th chapters' 12th level

[dusky cove]

best answer for any campaign mission is - upgrade your main team...
if you are not spending some serious cash on game you simply can't afford upgrading specific heroes for every mission you get stuck for a moment

[sinful frigate]

#🎬youtube-perks hi

[gloomy canopy]

Campaign is pretty easy and it's also not that important so just wait until your main team is strong enough

Don't spread investment I guess? Only focus on 5-7 heroes for your main team

And have a good team

I assume Campaign is significantly harder if your team isn't well-composed

[undone stirrup]

this team should be great to foucs on Right ?!

[dusky cove]

good for start but later on you probably wil want to replace jorgen and astaroth

btw - jorgen can do some good job in pvp or adventures but he is much less usefull in campaign

good thing he doesn't need much investment to work

[undone stirrup]

Good whom should i replace with Astaroth and jorgen ? tobe perfect in campagin

because i got some tesser hero stones so i can unlock

i want to be much stronger in campagins !

[patent tree]

Yeah, Astaroth, Jorgen and Martha are always good. Sebastian is useful for 900% of the content. I feel like hou would benefit a lot from Nebula though since she is another big factor in Osh guild raids and other content.

I used Arachne a lot in campaign. She was my first absolute star hero so got a lot if play. Her pure and magic damage skills seem strong at a glance, and stunning helps a lot for damage mitigation.

[undone stirrup]

so do you think i should replace Jorg. with Arachne ?

[patent tree]

Only if you have her leveled up and orange. Otherwise, it would be a waste of resources. I was very wishy washy with my heroes early on. So i would use an assortment of heroes.

[undone stirrup]

orange ?

[undone stirrup]

@coarse thorn i was waitig for u to type ;D

[coarse thorn]

White - Green - Green+1 - Blue - Blu+1 - Blue+2 - Violet - ... Violet+3 - Orange - ... - Orange+4 - Red

[undone stirrup]

do you think should i replace Jorgen with Celeste ?

[undone stirrup]

i see

[undone stirrup]

( for Campagins )

[coarse thorn]

In campaign Celeste is better than Jorgen, without doubt

Jorgen is mainly strong in PvP and adventures, where you meet other heroes. Campaign enemies do not use energy (except for spot heroes) and thus two of Jorgen skills are wasted

[undone stirrup]

i see i have another Question do you think i should add another damge dealler like dante in my team ? so i would have

Astr. - Dante - ( Another damge dealer ) - martha - sebstiatin

like yasmine may be ?

so i can be dealing or nuking enemies in campagins

since iam stuck here with this dragon..

[coarse thorn]

I suggest no. Dante and Yasmine both requires agility skin stones and agility crystals, thus you'll end up with them fighting for the same thing, with the result of two mediocre heroes instead of a good one. You can think about that later on
For the fact of being stuck, it happens and it will happen even more in the future. Just level up 2-3 times and then retry
The "play and win" is going to come to an end, not only against bosses, but also in normal missions

[undone stirrup]

i see idk what to say but iam Gratufull for you for helping me.. all ur tips and tricks and adivces rly helps me out

[coarse thorn]

You're welcome

[undone stirrup]

sebstiain was rly agreat character

[kindred oar]

I'm getting real close to that same point.... I just cleared the Artemis mission before that boss yesterday. So far my level 61 party has been tearing up even these level 75 opponents, but it sounds like there's a bit of a wall with that boss.

[patent tree]

That boss uses magic attacks from my understanding. Isaac, faceless and rufus would make your fight easier. not together, but each has magic defensive abilities.

[undone stirrup]

i see

[coarse thorn]

Don't build a new hero only to beat a mission. Wasted resources. Simply level up your team 2 or 3 times and you eventally beat it

[warm ibex]

That boss is annoying for a bit. I was going to use a Rufus-Dante-Arachne line anyway, so the boss wasn't much of an issue for me

[kindred oar]

Isaac would be a bit of an issue obtaining since the server just started in March. Long time till Wintertide.

[patent tree]

By then, We will have a new guild raid as well. But isaac still good vs twins, aurora n orion.

[gloomy turret]

whats your level?

[gloomy turret]

same issue

[gusty bone]

level up intil you have enough damage

[gloomy turret]

🙌🏻

[gloomy canopy]

What you're not gonna tell them about Cornelius or Faceless or anything

[spark comet]

Hi everyone,
I'd like to ask about my team roster that I'm currently using in the campaign, what's your opinion and what should I change?

[obsidian jacinth]

What is quest of the "Times of the Fearless" in special event?

[gusty bone]

leveling conry just to beat campaign is dumb unles you are whale

no resources especialy for f2p

[patent tree]

You don't need him that high.

Orange +4 is more than enough.

[dusky cove]

o+4 is very high for hero which is useless everywhere else and used in 3 or 4 missions in campaign only

[patent tree]

Yah, mine is orange +0, i wanted to beat the campaign. Pushing path of madness and those steps on 14 were a trial. My goal was to beat the campaign before level 130.

[gloomy canopy]

I leveled my Corny to lvl 100 Violet and he works fine... about 15k. Not a whale investment at all

[gloomy canopy]

I would be incredibly surprised if anyone beat Seymour before 130 given they did normal level up tasks (daily quests, campaign farming, etc.)

[patent tree]

Though I have no proof. I can say that I did beat it before 130. Used Lian, Martha, Keira, Corvus and Jhu. I held off on a lot of daily activities that yielded exp to keep my level lower. If i had just done them, I would have been 130 for sure. I didn't know about the little extra box you get from daily quests once you hit 130.

This Was before Ascension though so I don't know what it would be like today.

[gloomy canopy]

If your titans are good you can do it in maybe 20-30 days

I know someone who got 29 a day

So 18 days

[gloomy canopy]

I used to get 5 a day, now I get 9 a day. My titans are super weak so it's taken me a long time

I'm around 360 now I believe

[undone stirrup]

what is the best skin for Celeste ?

i see thanks alott ❤️

[gloomy canopy]

Ik that agi > PA but int < MA?

Fire around 150k power. Trying to switch to water because of how bad titans are 💀

[undone stirrup]

yes

[gloomy canopy]

Doesn't int give MA tho

3 MA, 1 MD, and 1 PA in int and 3 PA in agi

If agi > PA shouldn't int also > MA?

Or is the value of the skins different?

Yeah but int gives MA so how can MA be better

I'm so confused rn

[gusty bone]

Iris solved my isue with 3 staring into the abyys easily ;p

[late tiger]

Hi

[coarse thorn]

Pure bonus to PA/MA/Health is always more rewarding than indirect bonus from agility/intelligence/strength (skin or glyphs), but main stat helps you against critical hits and (for agility main stat) against dodge.

[late rivet]

Well, I got through them yesterday. I really didn't want to invest heavily in Cornelius or Faceless, so this is what I did:

1. I stopped leveling Oliver (who I leveled a lot for Runaway Princess) and I leveled Albus instead (my only other good pet). Albus became slightly stronger than Oliver by the end

2. I removed Jorgen (~38,000 power level) from the team

3. I got Sebastian up to ~15k, just using exp potion and gold to boost his white and violet skills to the max (level 117 for me). I just wanted his white skill to prevent the drilling installation from stealing Dante's energy (Dante is my strongest hero). Seb went in instead of Jorgen. His Violet skill is needed to help him ult faster.

Then when I fought, I would ult Seb ASAP, which allowed Dante to charge up. I made sure Kayla, Thea, Dante, and Albus were all fully charged at the same time before I launched an assault (Astaroth is my 5th guy, he wasn't part of the offensive)

Then I would ult Kayla, Dante, and Albus in that order (Kayla's artifact boosts physical atk, so she goes first). I guess Thea's ult wasn't really necessary, but her green skill was helpful to silence the priest for a short time.

Once I got past the first wave, the second wave was super easy. The third wave had another priest and it took 3 tries, but I eventually got past them without levelling any further.

I don't know if it will work for you, but it worked for me, and I didn't have to invest items, glyphs, artifacts, crystals, or gift of elements in anyone new

[patent tree]

Are you at level or below?

[gloomy canopy]

One is cheaper ofc tho

I'm wondering why agi > PA but you say MA > int

When it should be the same no?

[patent tree]

Agility has three functions.Physical damage, Armor, and chance to hit a dodge hero.

[coarse thorn]

And avoid criticals (if main stat, like against dodge... if the hero main stat is another one, than that stat will fight dodge and criticals)
Thus intelligence has 4 functions. Magic damage, magic defense, avoid criticals, hit dodgers with basic attack (and skill based on magic attack that do physical damage like Cornelius ulti)

[gloomy canopy]

Also 1 point of PA if it's the main stat

So int should def > MA unless the cost is too much for the default skins or smth

[coarse thorn]

It depends on how hard you need MA for that specific build. But generally speaking the main stat is usually a bit better than the MA/PA because of the "side bonuses", even if it's a bit less effective in terms of MA/PA

[gloomy canopy]

Well how much does agi vs. PA cost and how much do they give is the question

I'm too lazy to find the answer but if I did that for int and MA I could find that

[coarse thorn]

Take this as reference: consider the value of Dodge/Main Stat (same for Crit/Main Stat)
If the result is 1/4 => chance to dodge = 20%
1/3 => 25%
1/2 => 33.33%
1 => 50%
2 => 66%
3 => 75%
4 => 80%

The exact formula is: Chance = Dodge/(Dodge + Opponent Main Stat)
Same for critical

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah ik

[late rivet]

idk what that means. My heroes were all level 116/117 (I can't remember which), so slightly below the level of the enemies

[patent tree]

I asked because Sebastian needs to be of equal level for his ability to prevent debuffs. Or, at least that was what the skill has listed. I didn't really start using Sebastian until I hit 130.

[cursive knot]

please how can I get past chapter 14 level 9? does this selection work?

[late rivet]

That's true if you want "guaranteed" protection against de-buffs. But the odds of Seb's skill being effective increase as the skill level gets closer to the enemies'. For me, it worked often enough to allow Dante to ult about 1 minute into the fight - that was fast enough to get through the roadblock. RNG definitely mattered and I had to try more than once, but I only needed it to work one time.

[patent tree]

Get those 3 star victories! Congrats.

[late rivet]

well, it's not like any of my heroes were dying. That dumb priest just kept healing everyone and I was running out of time on the battle. It was always going to be 3 stars or a total fail.

[patent tree]

For me, it was Alvanor and Cornelius. I invested a fair bit into Alvanor's artifact to boost Cornelius enough to one shot the priests without faceless. Basically never use Cornelius outside of that though. Now, i way out power the campaign.

[late rivet]

I asked for advice a couple of weeks ago and many said Cornelius. Many also said Faceless. That's 2 heroes I would have to invest in heavily - not just skills and exp level, but items, glyphs, crystals, everything. That's fine if you're leveling them already, but if you're not, it's a lot of resources to spend on campaign. Advanced players say you shouldn't invest in someone just for campaign, so I really didn't want to level Cornelius

I also invested in Kayla's artifact heavily (to boost Dante's attacks). This seemed like a good idea against the drommer's generally

It seems a lot of people are getting stuck on that mission. I think it's because Ch 14 enemies are like "we have lots of magic defense, you need to come at us with physical" and then you get to this one combination of enemies where it's like "yeah you need that mage tho..."

[patent tree]

In the long run, that is the best strategy. Me, i spread out like crazy. I invested in Lilith, Cleaver, Luther... They sit at like 50k or lower these days. Lilith was supposed to be my Defense tank, time people out... Didn't pan out.

In chapter 14, Sadly, they have a lot of Physical defense as well. Pure damage is the play... But Dante should be able to compensate by being OP.

[late rivet]

oh, that's too bad 😢 . I did the same thing with Oliver, but defense strats just don't seem to be very effective. Everyone who has been playing for more than a couple of months has an OP damage dealer and they can get through.

[late rivet]

yeah I was all about Albus for a while, him + Kayla is my best chance to deal pure damage

Maybe Julius will have some broken defense moves

[patent tree]

I have heard good reviews. ... I don't particularly want another hero... Too much going on as is. I doubt luck will strike twice like it did with Mushy and the Mushy skins being back to back on the 8th box.

[late rivet]

well, first of all, I think you should select 5 heroes. You only chose 4 here. Is Yasmine #5? I guess she must be, since she seems to be your strongest hero. You have some synergies with Galahad (artifact boosts Physical attack, which is what drives all of Yasmine's skills). Astaroth and Martha are good general defense heroes, so they are fine, but Orion doesn't fit very well. He needs magic attack, which none of your other heroes provide, and he boosts magic attack, which doesn't help either of your damage dealers. You also have 2 tanks, which is a bit strange - this will make Yasmine gain energy more slowly as she won't be near the front line (and Yas is your main damage dealer here, so you need her to ult a lot). Yasmine's main threat is her crit hits, and you're not really supporting that. Your pet is also super important. If you post your options for pets we might be able to give better advice.

At the risk of being the guy who says "this worked for me, so you should do it too," I think Sebastian would help you a lot. He can counter the drilling installation's energy de-buff (like he did for me) and he also boosts crit hit chances for Yasmine. But you would have to get his Physical Attack up and level all skills, and also his artifact weapon, in order to make him good support for Yasmine.

For your pet, you definitely want an attack-minded pet. Fenris is probably best to boost physical damage. Albus would also work well witih Kayla. I guess Khorus could block the control effect of the drilling installation? I don't have any experience with Khorus - I think he is for more advanced players. Hopefully you have a good attacking pet you can use.

Lastly, if your Thea and Martha are both about the same level, Thea might be a better choice for your healer in this battle. Those enemies don't do a lot of damage, so Thea's healing power should be enough, and her Vow of Silence can stop the priest from healing anyone for a few seconds.

[patent tree]

As far as heroes go, having Osh heroes such as Nebula, Sebastian, Jhu, Isaac and Martha will never fail you. Even if your main team is Cleaver, Peppy, Celeste, Orion, Dorian.

Then again, they might be changing the guild raid some time soon, maybe next raid boss won't use so much magic.

[gusty bone]

i found iris is broken in campaign esp in ch 14 ;p

my mini 15k iris does make it so much easier lel

[cursive knot]

thank you

[patent tree]

Pure damage is strongest in campaign and iris converts all damage to pure damage... Sort of.

[dusty pelican]

I'm stuck at the communication center in Chapter 14, I can clear the first stage, but I'm beaten by Celeste in the second stage Team level 91, please help

[dusky cove]

level up

ch14 is end of easy beating enemies 30 or 40 levels higher than your heroes

[crisp radish]

I just started what is a good counter to the basilisk in mid chapter 9 im level 52, So dont have so many heroes leveled

[dusky cove]

just level up your main team... thye don't need any specific counter

[coarse thorn]

Level up heroes. It is rarely a good idea to level up an hero only to complete a low level chapter

[young kelp]

It's really good to be at mid chapter 9 at level 52. You can't expect much better. You need to level up.
But Yasmine is quite a good counter against the basilics in manual mode, start her ult after each attack to be sure she attacks the basilic. But even so it will take many attacks and you need a way to keep enough health not to die.

[dire oar]

I just finished Ch14 and I was using Dante, Jhu, Seb, Neb, Martha, Axel. Patron Cain, Oliver, Fenris. Some said that it wouldn't work, but Jhu did the job better than Astaroth.

Now come across using Titans in campaign for first time. This is going to slow me down.

Don't have Karkh yet, is he worth getting. I haven't had problem defeating him in arena so far.

Just got into ch 15, at titan 500 (1 battle down = 12 ...sigh)

[dim dove]

its still funny how lvl 90 noobs get impatient in chapter 14...
ascension really promotes impatience

back in my day i had a better team and more focus and still only got there lvl 114

which translates to almost 2 months later on low budget - or at least a few weeks on moderate spending

[river mason]

Im LV 121 noob stuck on ch14 🥹

[gusty bone]

i am on coolant part ~~

[patent tree]

Free 2 play or big buck hunter? 14 has high magic defense and armor. Pure damage is your best bet. Iris kills it from my understanding, otherwise, Heidi, Maya, Arachne, keira... Who are your top 10 Heroes?

[warm wolf]

what will be the min level to beat ch. 11?

[warm wolf]

someone told me u need 2 be level 123 to beat ch 14

[river mason]

ive got a big dante that is about it

[warm wolf]

that is what i m working on

[river mason]

its not enough for runaway princess yet

[warm wolf]

who is that princess?

[river mason]

that's a level in chapter 14

[warm wolf]

still LONG way to go 4 me...i m only on ch.10

[meager ether]

Lvls dont matter... what rlly matters is acension, artefacts, skins etc,

[patent tree]

Runaway princess is Astrid. A hero with a pet companion, interesting, but not often used. (Useful in outland tho) my main heroes at the time were keira, lian, i was using Alvanor as tank because he is insane for chapter 14 and 15. Used arachne at the time because she stuns and her skills do so much damage(not really, but 90% magic attack looks good) and Cornelius for the healers. It worked for me. Keira does pure damage which is useful, same with Arachne once they are low enough.

.
I don't know how well a Dante would do, but he is pretty OP elsewhere, pair him with Morrigane for armor penetration and might get through that defense.

[gloomy canopy]

Level actually does matter quite a bit for things like Sebastian and Keira where it's largely level-dependent

For pvp maybe not but in campaign if you want to pass with 3 stars it's much easier with a equal or higher-level Seb than your opponents, which are around 125 in c14. Thanks to the newest update, you can get to 130 a lot faster, but whatever

[patent tree]

K'arkh as well.

[gloomy canopy]

Well I wouldn't advise using K'arkh or Keira anyway lol

[patent tree]

Yeah, i wouldn't either, and Keira has been my main lady since campaign 10.

[gloomy canopy]

Well I'm using Jhu so not much better until boss time

I killed Shavarrak in 13 seconds first time I fought him

[patent tree]

I started building jhu for that same reason. He hits back line, so probably good vs those pesky healers... I way out level them these days

[gloomy canopy]

The healers are too beefy for my 84k Jhu to take care of without Neb... or at least they were back when my Jhu was 84k

Nowadays I obliterate

[dire oar]

chapter 15, careful steps, is there a better selection to use, or level required?

[dim dove]

did u pay any attention while playing chapter 14? u should know that by now

[warm wolf]

learning from u

[warm wolf]

i like keira but it seems like she is getting weaker for the campaign 😭

[warm wolf]

for the NEW change, TEAM level is faster but NOT the hero level 😡

[dire oar]

is there a way to re read the dialog that was at infrequent intervals, I don't recall the mention of titan strength mentioned.

[dusky cove]

careful steps mission has nothing to do with titans

[dire oar]

What is this then?

[dusky cove]

spirit asylum which you need to complete before unlocking careful steps

and there is not much choice as you fight waves of all elements there

can try manual play for better output but still your it is single team of titans thrown against multiple waves

[dire oar]

Thank you for clarifying that

[dusky cove]

this mission is meant to slow you down and most ppl without heavy cash investments need several weeks to complete it

[dire oar]

at my level, more like 30 days.

[dusky cove]

if i rememebr correctly there is max 39 points for full clear

[warm wolf]

talk to you all next time. thank u!!🥰 Blessings from Taiwan 🇹🇼 😇 🤩

[gloomy turret]

yeah also getting max team is not hard

[past prawn]

keira sucks for campaign becouse you to low level for the place so your skills will not work fully

[narrow grail]

truth. she just charges enemy heroes with energy and then they stomp hard 🥲

I was making a campaign lvling team, was thinking about aurora + Martha + Orion + Dorian + Lilith ? (Don't have Helios, I'm a pover)

Lilith mainly for huge magic pen

perhaps sub Martha with Phobos for those pesky Dantes that eradicate me

or go with Celeste instead of Martha 🤔

or Aidan

so many choices 😭

[patent tree]

Markus solo campaign.

[narrow grail]

< pover

[patent tree]

If you were truly pover, you would not be playing this. Have you seen the images of the mom harvesting lillies from flood waters?

[dusky cove]

lilith is just a waste since her rework

and orion has enough of MP on his own

[patent tree]

Lilith was a waste before her update.

[dusky cove]

less than now - it was decent tank for some purposes

[patent tree]

I used her as a time out tank briefly, but ultimately, was not good compared to other tanks.

[narrow grail]

ok not that pover, got ~165k emes and i need a campaign team to invest into, 6-7 heroes tops, because of the new exp rates

or my hero lvls will lag behind the team lvl and then I'm screwd

I'm looking for heroes that don't have skills that are less efficient on higher level enemies, I get I'll be 15-20-30 levels down on them for the most part of the campaign

then comes the grind

[gusty bone]

if you have acces to iris i recomend it

[gloomy canopy]

Hero level is pretty easy just don't spread investment lol

[gusty bone]

i thnk its gona be realy thight for ne wpalyers

the leveling speed increased so much

exp poits wil be huge issues

just dont spread mightr be not enough tbh

[dusky cove]

was easy... now with greatly reduced team exp tnl it will change

[coarse thorn]

Yes... I'm seeing it in my second account, level 84... I already leveled twice in two days... Every level is more or less 20-30 huge potions to level 5 heroes... No way to find 30 huge xp potions each day... I'll run out of them quickly

[gloomy canopy]

I always had loads of exp pots to spare, I don't think the halving will do too much damage. I mean the town shop exists with exp for gold

[dusky cove]

they reduced team exp required but didn't change heroes exp and destroyed balance in result

[gloomy canopy]

But yeah we'll see

[gusty bone]

try it then with new account and tel us your progres i am curious

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah ik but I'm saying I don't think it matters a lot 🤣

[dusky cove]

and f2p often have problems with gold for exp potions

[coarse thorn]

But with this exp speed, gold is an issue too. I need more or less 1M each day for skill levels, plus glyphs, sparks and so on

[gusty bone]

but i doubt it wil be wasy

[gloomy canopy]

Bro I can't even manage one account

[coarse thorn]

And with this update they'll have much more

[gloomy canopy]

Special events can easily bump you to 20-30m

[gusty bone]

so .. your claims arent valid at all .. since yor experiencew will be vastly different on new acocunt

[gloomy canopy]

They're valid based on my experience playing before the change and having literally thousands of blue and violet exp pots to spare

[coarse thorn]

@gloomy canopy I'm not talking about ideas, I'm talking about what's happening in my second account right now. Maybe you forgot your level 80 days or maybe you spent money in that level and you didn't experienced that.
I can assure you that my gold and xp gain is MUCH slower than the consuming that I'm experimenting with this new leveling speed, and I'm building only 6 heroes by now... I'll leave the 6th and stick with 5, but still I consume more than I gain. I'm VIP5 and do not plan to get more.

[gloomy canopy]

1. I'm f2p
2. I remember but okie

[coarse thorn]

It look like you don't remember. It's double speed. I was very carefully and never fall in xp potions shortage till now, but now it's becoming an issue. This new leveling speed (that is in fact doubled) require more xp potions and gold than I can get for 5 heroes. And I'm in top 70 or top 100 every day, thus I gain 150 or 120 gems too... But it's absolutely not enough anymore to do more than half the things I was used to do. And they also reduced the energy gift from 500 to 200 that will mean we'll have also less reward from events that require energy spent
I can live with this, but the game experience is surely worse than before

[gloomy canopy]

At least you're leveling up faster

[coarse thorn]

Pointless

[gloomy canopy]

I mean maybe I'm wrong but when I was in 80-120 I always had tons of gold and thousands of pots

[gloomy canopy]

It's not pointless, it'll still be faster than it was previously

Just more of an emphasis on exp pots and gold perhaps

[coarse thorn]

Nope. Just finishing them and only leveling 6 heroes, 5 now because I decided to stop one. My game experience is much worse than before
At this rate I won't be able to keep my heroes at the same level than team level or I'll have to use gold for xp and I'll have to stop to build glyphs, sparks and other gold requiring things. I'll have higher level heroes but weaker than they should be
This leveling speed up didn't add anything good to my game experience

[gloomy canopy]

At least it'll be faster than it used to be tho

You'll never be stopped by level cap anymore which means your resources can always be used

Much better than stalling at team level cap

[coarse thorn]

Faster doesn't mean better... on the opposite, it is worse and not because "I think i will be" but because it is right now, I'm experimenting it and you don't know what I'm talking about because you haven't got a level 80 account at this new leveling speed. I never had the problem of not being able to use resources, now I've got a problem that I've not half the resources I need... This new speed didn't solved any problem, didn't make anything better, but added some more difficulties... But I know you, you think you know everything, even things you're not living or never lived yourself
I still make the same stupid mistake to discuss things with you. Shame on me

[gloomy canopy]

Maybe it's because I realize how leveling up in the 100s is... you always have extra exp pots and gold that you want to spend but can't because your heroes aren't high enough level. So yeah maybe it's harder in the 80s now but it's faster and when you get to the 100s your team level will always precede your hero level so you can spend those resources

I think you're trying to make your hero level match your team level at this new rate but that won't work

Your team level boost will be much faster, your hero level will be a little faster

You don't need them to correspond

[warm wolf]

truly agree with u! wow, they ONLY give out 200 energy and NOT 500 energy anymore...hero wars developers are SO MEAN...that SUCKS!!😡

[warm wolf]

so those who are discord level 50 and higher, can you PLEASE make a COMPLAINT about this NEW change in faster speed in team experience and hope they can change it back. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

[dim dove]

whats the problem there?
they made most things easier

[coarse thorn]

You think? Will they lower the energy required in events to get rewards? Because they lowered the event 500 energy gift to 200 because of that leveling double speed. And we're not all maxed here and there nor vip15. There are also p2p and f2p players that already aren't able to collect more than half the rewards with that 500 gift

[gloomy canopy]

They just need to compensate the players who were above the level of change according to how much further they were when the change happened

[gloomy canopy]

Yea the 500 --> 200 change is kinda stupid

I hope that's not permanent

[jagged shell]

That struck me as an 'extra', not a replacement.

[gloomy canopy]

That's what I hope but Leilond could also be right, maybe they're replacing the 500 energy

[jagged shell]

I don't believe so, but you're correct, we'll see. 👀

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah let's hope it's not a replacement

Thing is I don't recall ever getting 200 energy previously as a group gift

So the sudden appearance in conjunction with the team exp change is sus to say the least

[narrow grail]

The problem with the reduced team lvl required xp is that tower will become much, much harder at team levels that far outweigh the hero levels, thus most high team - low hero level players won't be able to clear the tower, which is their main source of gold and will receive less tower coins which knocks two shops out of the game for them, tower coin and gold shops, not to mention the reduced gold will affect all other hero power gains through skills, glyphs, ascension, anything gold-related will suffer, hero exp, power and item gain rate will consecutively suffer exponentially the greater the gap is between your hero and team levels.

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah I've been thinking about that

[narrow grail]

I've banked a lot of emeralds and gold, I'm planning on playing titans only until I secure a steady stream of exp pots from that

[gloomy canopy]

@old oar @onyx yacht can you guys ask Nexters to rework Tower following the team exp change? Just change it to scale with the power of your top five heroes rather than team level

[narrow grail]

otherwise I might just sell my account 😦

[gloomy canopy]

That's against the ToS

[narrow grail]

just kidding 🥲

[gloomy canopy]

🤡

[narrow grail]

just it seems a waste of all the resources I invested

[gloomy canopy]

Ok whatever not my business 🤣

[narrow grail]

like over 300 bucks

[gloomy canopy]

Why...

[narrow grail]

sales and events 🥲

ima kid with adult money

dont me

[gloomy canopy]

Why are you spending money on a game if you're still a kid lol

[gloomy turret]

i do

[jovial smelt]

Are you Velo

[gloomy canopy]

Oh ok

[gloomy canopy]

I don't think so, @supple marlin

Maybe an alt

[dire oar]

did gold value change with xp amount, or stay the same, which means using more gold per xp, than per level. Would that be correct?

[gusty bone]

we will see if its 500 to 200 .. they tend to not give fre eenrgy for doll events at all

[warm wolf]

that's why i need MORE people who are HIGHER level than me to SPEAK OUT for us!

[gusty bone]

double priest of seymor is stupid ;p

😄 😄

[gloomy turret]

bruh 120k dante

💸

mine is 130k

[patent tree]

All in on Fotm Dante. It is effective. If you don't have counters, you are going to struggle vs a lot of Dante teams. Like when Twins were the Fotm before Osh raid and people didn't have isaac leveled.

[gloomy turret]

what is fotm

[patent tree]

Flavor of the month

[gloomy turret]

what does isaac have to do with dante

[gusty bone]

he meant that rpe isaac everyone had twins like dante today

[patent tree]

When twins were the Fotm, people struggled vs them because they had no reason to use isaac. Osh have them a reason, so twins fell out of favor.

[gusty bone]

ita only 113k

[undone stirrup]

can you guys Rate this team ?

Astrou. - lars - krista - Dante - martha

[gusty bone]

bad

heroes are good individualty but they dont mae a team at all

[undone stirrup]

ic

what about
Ast - Dante - sebs - Nebula - martha ?

btw i have celeste but iam searching for a team that can 1 shot enemy team

• i have 100 heros Stone which hero should i choose to join my team ?

i was thinking about Corvus to change it for ast since i heard and searched that he is Stronger than ast in tanking

or rufus i think

[undone stirrup]

or may be replacing heidi with sebs

i know iam asking about but i dont want to waste resouses on wrong character

[meager ether]

this is ok... and yes there are better tanks than astaroth but if u use corvus u shld pair with other undead such as morrigan. Rufus dante is a solid combo on defense and used a lot by top teams as dante is countered by mages and rufus counters mages

[gusty bone]

if you are looking for dante than you want rufus

[undone stirrup]

rufus as tank

[gusty bone]

if you are looking for high damage mage team thna krista lars celeste aurora sebastain

[undone stirrup]

for the Synergies right ?

[meager ether]

Yup

[gusty bone]

astaroth does no damage he has no palce in high striking team

[meager ether]

undead heroes / engineers / grove keepers etc

[meager ether]

Hes only good at low lvls

[undone stirrup]

ic so iam planning to change astr so rufus would be best choice ? right

so iam planning to go for rufus what are the best Synergies i could use iwht them because iam building rght now a core team for me

so Rufus - Dante and ?

[gusty bone]

nah astaroth is fantastic at end game too, he is just not a fit for every team

and definetly not high striking team

[meager ether]

Maybe... but there are better options

[undone stirrup]

exectly.. iam looking to make the best fit characters to gether !

[undone stirrup]

that's what iam seeking for to know

so if i will go for Rufus whom else should i choose ?

Rufus - Dante - xxxx -xxxx - martha

[meager ether]

Seb

The last slot im not too sure... maybe iris? if not can go for support or control which im not too familiar wif

[undone stirrup]

idk some other players tell me to go for heidi in last slot

but iam confused

[gusty bone]

dante seb neb iris jet
dante seb neb iris dorian
arachne dante seb neb jet
list could go on

dante seb neb is a core though

as someone who plays dante seb neb martha i find amrtha not being a hwlaer in 80-90% of matches

it ends to quickly

on either side

[meager ether]

Why dorian

[gusty bone]

dorian for iris

[meager ether]

On defense dante tank is risky

[gusty bone]

yah on defense you do rufus or isaac

in PVP at elast

[narrow grail]

is dorian-orion-helios still a thing?

[gusty bone]

no

outdated

[narrow grail]

I see dante one shots teams nowadays

[gusty bone]

isaac is main problem

and kayla

kayla wrecks backlines

and not sure is orion worth it here iris exist

unless yo uneed specificaly miagic damage

[undone stirrup]

Dante will be the tank ?

[gusty bone]

he can for a lot of matchups

for some you need rufus or isaac

[undone stirrup]

Dante - seb - neb will be my Core

and rufus as tank

so should i go for jet or dorian or arachne ?

[narrow grail]

shouldn't phobos hard counter dante?

[undone stirrup]

last slot

[gusty bone]

he dies most of times before he becomes issue, only issue if i am atacking phbos team liek 200 k above me

technicialy yes phobos is a counter

[gusty bone]

you have screenshot above of my tema destroyoing chapter 14 for campaign ;p

[narrow grail]

i was doing phenomenal vs dante in campaign with aurora-orion-celeste-phobos-martha tho

[gusty bone]

yah thats a hard counter team

satori and celeste are brutal for dante

[narrow grail]

jorgen seemed overkill here

but him too

[gusty bone]

for pvp jorgen is fine

for campaign he is useless

[narrow grail]

uh

right, lvl dependant skillz

somehow forgot about that and used him in campaign lol

[undone stirrup]

wow

[narrow grail]

still, for pvp jorgen martha so stronk

[gusty bone]

not evne that, jorgne role is energy lock you dont do that in campaign

[undone stirrup]

this team also works for campagin ?

[gusty bone]

yah that camp[aing screenshot

end of chapter 14

[narrow grail]

that dante is huge tho, don't expect it to work if you havent poured 1000s of emeralds in him

[gusty bone]

well semeone could develpor iris earlier than me tohugh

mine is fresh

and iris is maybe not a boos killer but fanastic high level mob killer

[narrow grail]

well raised iris dante is so much burst

[gusty bone]

yup

a levle 100 iris with just skills still a menace in ch 14 lol

[narrow grail]

are krista lars still best boss killers ?

[gusty bone]

they never were ?

[narrow grail]

wel just first

[gusty bone]

jhu was always boss killer

[narrow grail]

i hate jhu -_-

jhu+jet stinkiest build

i know its op, but still

[gusty bone]

jhu seb

jet sometimes

[narrow grail]

seb is good with any crit hero yea

[gusty bone]

iris is sucky on defense though

[narrow grail]

as any burst-focus hero should be

except aidan-kayla combo

[gusty bone]

well aiden is healer with armor artifact

not squishy glass canon

[narrow grail]

together, kayla can almost tank with another good healer, but with markus its insane imo

aidan was never a healer lol

[gusty bone]

in duo with kayla he server fine its just not a team haaler

[gloomy turret]

not if it dies before it can do anything
i've defeated teams 300k stronger than me who have phobos stronger than my dante and who have violet axel as patronage

[gusty bone]

hmmm

that shouldnt work ;p

[narrow grail]

just pulled krista+lars from 2 10x chest pops 😄

[narrow grail]

gonna use them in the campaign, i just need seb now and im good

aurora krista lars seb celeste is my main go to

should work against the pesky dantes as well

[gusty bone]

krista lars arent even great campaign heroes

but if its your main team than yeah

[narrow grail]

its gonna be

[undone stirrup]

@gusty bone dang this comb is op i have been playing it alot now

Dante + neb + sebs + martha are so POWERFULL !!!

ii wll be adding rufus soon as solid tank

[gloomy canopy]

Cool down on the caps 🤣

[gloomy canopy]

🐳

[gloomy canopy]

I think twins were "fotm" only before Isaac was introduced

Pretty sure after Isaac was released magic meta became somewhat-to-totally obselete

I don't think Isaac was just hanging around and twins were still meta

[patent tree]

My server, isaac still didn't get a lot of play til after Osh was introduced. maybe because K'arkh was the meta at that time.

[gloomy canopy]

Hm ok

[gusty bone]

i didnt

not f2p but not realy using emeralds

[gloomy canopy]

What did you do then?

[gusty bone]

i do not know i am just playing

[upper monolith]

@gusty bone Hi.

[gusty bone]

putting everything into dante

all skinstone artifact resuorces etc

glyphs

[gusty bone]

hi ?

[upper monolith]

@gusty bone Yeah nice to meet you in discord how are you.

[gloomy canopy]

What did you spend the money on?

I mean clearly it's had quite an impact

[gusty bone]

golden tickets

they do help yes

[gloomy canopy]

Ohhh

Well that makes sense it's just a ton of resources basically

What's your Dante's asc?

[gusty bone]

3

stuck hard on vibrant crystals

[gloomy canopy]

Not on insigs? Interesting

[gusty bone]

i have 1000 insignia boxs waiting

by the time i get crystals i get insignia anyway

[gloomy canopy]

Interesting, maybe it's bc you sped up progress with money and didn't accumulate lots of vibrants over time it means you ran out earlier than f2ps would after reaching vibrants

[gusty bone]

possibly

[gloomy turret]

i am only 2 upgrades further

💀

[gusty bone]

heh you probably have some on yas

[gloomy turret]

No i lack those arrows never used on yas

[gusty bone]

still i kinda hit wall

feel like without iris i cant tough 550k + teams

too tanky even for 113k dante

[gloomy canopy]

Maybe whip out your OP Asta

[gusty bone]

my asta is low ;p

its like 37k and i fight for top 20 arena where everyone has 70-100k tanks

[gloomy canopy]

Bruh

Then just use Dante

Why is Dante so squishy my Jhu already has 550k health

[gusty bone]

i dont use asta ? but i will need tank at some point

because its dodge hero

and jhu is strenght hero so unnaturaly bulky for marksman

[gloomy canopy]

"Unnaturally bulky" 💀

[gusty bone]

yesterday 😦

just died

with default team too ~~

that guy got crit and his dante insta killed mine lel with normal atack xD

[upper monolith]

@gloomy turret Hi.

[gusty bone]

yahh thats why i never left out astaroth completly

[upper monolith]

@gusty bone Your here now.