If you could remove an champion from the game wich champ would it be?

[quartz iris]

Tbh I don't think anyone would miss yummi and she doesn't add much to the game.

[wicked snow]

Agreed. It was made to be a champion that is so skilless to play that brand new players could play in duos with their higher ranked friends.

[wicked snow]

Master Yi. You don't need skill to play master yi. For how overpowered he is, he is way to easy. When I play against Master yi jungles, I can tell they are less skilled than other jungle mains based on various rookie mistakes they make and how counterable the antics of a typical yi player are. Nevertheless, yi gets away with having counterplay by being able to dodge any attack with his alphastrike. His healing makes Warwick healing look like nothing, as yi can outheal a tower's damage.

[quartz iris]

Wait he can outheal towers?

[rain sparrow]

I would remove rammus

There is no world where this creature needs to exist

[wicked snow]

Yes. When I get tower dove by a Yi, he heals while taking 1-2 tower shots. He almost dies to me, but uses meditate right away and heals faster than the first tower shot can kill him, and by the time he has been hit by the second tower shot and is leaving turret range, he is half to three-quarter health.

[wicked snow]

There is one... to counter Yi and Tryndamere in low elo where absolutely zero people know how to play against either.

[quartz iris]

Hes also really good into the windshitters and counters samira

[wicked snow]

Very true.

Rammus is also very counterable

Play a mage or something with heavy cc and he is cooked

Brand will tear through a Rammus

[quartz iris]

Rize also counters him hard

[wicked snow]

The only time Rammus is absolutely broken and I can understand why Jason would want him removed, is if the team opposing Rammus locks in 4 ad champs, and he locks in Rammus in last pick.

[quartz iris]

Same with Morgana

Morg counters him hard

[wicked snow]

Morgana is my permaban

[quartz iris]

Even then malphite literally does the same thing

[wicked snow]

Any ap counters Rammus, honestly

[quartz iris]

So even if you remove rammus you still have malphite

[wicked snow]

Yep.

[rain sparrow]

You can play anything against trynda and win

Why do you guys think rammus was top 1 jg for a patch?

And was legit perma ban

[wicked snow]

You're right, but your teammates cannot. They have no idea what a Tryndamere is, and EVERY SINGLE TIME they encounter one, it's like it's the first time they have ever seen him 😤!

[wicked snow]

He has been nerfed very heavily since then

[rain sparrow]

Doesn’t matter you alone can 1v9 in those elos

[rain sparrow]

Yes he’s been nerfed but still wins against almost any ad champ

And has no counter when you are bot

[wicked snow]

I main Rammus. He was the first champion I ever played before I knew anything about the game, so I am a bit partial to him, but knowing his kit and playing him so often makes me understand how he can be annoying. But honestly, he is very counterable, even with an ad champ. Just wait out his W and build Black Cleaver, so easy.

[wicked snow]

I'm aware

[wicked snow]

That is true. That's literally his job. Also, people don't know how to counter Rammus.

[rain sparrow]

Building against one champ is almost always bad

[rain sparrow]

His job is boosting 50% wr players to 70%

[wicked snow]

Okay, then build against multiple 😆

[rain sparrow]

Black cleaver is almost always only good against one or two people

[wicked snow]

Are you trauma dumping me rn?

[rain sparrow]

No it’s just what happens

[wicked snow]

THEN BUILD SOMETHING ELSE!

[rain sparrow]

Yes build smth else and rammus will walk over you

And it’s not like if he taunts you you are dead 100% in team fights

Getting away is hard to impossible

Bursting him as well

[wicked snow]

Who do you main, Jason?

[rain sparrow]

Yone aatrox

Aatrox gets one shot as well once rammus taunts

[wicked snow]

Ok, yone, I understand. Aatrox, you have 0 to complain about

[wicked snow]

🤣

Okay man. Do you build ap aatrox or smth cos why are you dying from one taunt?

[rain sparrow]

Aatrox is not tanky without his healing and he will heal nothing when he is forced to autoattack a thornmail 1000 armor rammus

[wicked snow]

You literally play the most busted top laner ever

[rain sparrow]

I do

But I have to perma rammus or Fiora

[wicked snow]

What if you just didn't walk up to a Rammus and get killed?

[rain sparrow]

What if rammus didn’t q r into my face

Would be good but doesn’t happen unluckily

[wicked snow]

That doesn't kill a good aatrox. Trust me.

[rain sparrow]

Trust me it does

If his team is there

[wicked snow]

Then why are you walking into their team?

[rain sparrow]

I’m not

But milio cait hits me from Africa

And is ghosting for my ass

And she’s fed

Cause rammus camps bot always and they have no counter play against rammus ganks

[wicked snow]

Look up a how to counter rammus video or smth. Or just don't try to all in when he uses his W E

[rain sparrow]

I don’t get to choose when I all in

[quartz iris]

Morgana supp literally shuts down his ganks

[rain sparrow]

Morgana supp loses 2v2 bot against any human

[wicked snow]

Who chooses?

[rain sparrow]

The engage champs?

Aatrox is not one of them

He is flanking

Not the main engage

[quartz iris]

No? Morg supp isn't bad.

[rain sparrow]

Ahhahahahaha

Sure bro she isn’t bad

[quartz iris]

Its a counterpick but its not horrible

[rain sparrow]

It is horrible

Any established bot lane combo will destroy it no problem

What does Morgana supp offer?

Black shield a skill shot cc and that’s it

[quartz iris]

Long ass root,blacksheild, and a decent anti engage ult

Also a perma slow with rylais

[rain sparrow]

Morgana ult without stasis is useless

[rain sparrow]

Yes but what do you do before first item

Long ass root that is not as long as naut full combo level 1

[quartz iris]

You play for peeling and pokeing enemy laners

[quartz iris]

No?

[rain sparrow]

You poke for nothing with morg supp

Against any enchanters the poke does nothing

Naut auto q is the same duration but he has pressure and way higher dmg

And getting hit by Morgana q is a severe skill issue

So it can’t be consistent

Black shield is cool but at that point kayle supp would also be good

[wicked snow]

If you are flanking, then you should not be getting taunted, because Rammus' job is to lock down the adc and kill it.

[rain sparrow]

The 0/8 adc that got cooked entire game by rammus is his main priority?

[quartz iris]

You overestimate the skill of your average adc player

[rain sparrow]

The adc that dies in collateral

[rain sparrow]

Maybe I do cause it’s so easy

[quartz iris]

Also yeah the poke kinda sucks but it is basicly free and it gives a crap ton of early healing

[rain sparrow]

I mean the main problem with Morgana supp is

That your champ wants high gold

To be useful

Cause she scales good

But as supp you don’t get gold

So you never really do much dmg

And your poke is useless

So just play Zyra at that point

She does better in everything but has no black shield

[quartz iris]

She has worse cc

And no real anti engage

Also gives enemy team more gold

[rain sparrow]

Morgana anti engage is laughable

[rain sparrow]

And she does with r

It’s huge area denial

[quartz iris]

Blacksheild really isn't laughable

[rain sparrow]

Against mages it is

[quartz iris]

Neither is her ult if it lands

[rain sparrow]

And you have cleanse and qss for a reason

[quartz iris]

Not its real purpose

But I mean if you take cleanse then your down a sum spell and qss has a cooldown

[rain sparrow]

Ye and if you pick Morgana supp you are down a champ

[quartz iris]

Not to mention blacksheild can act like an Olaf ult on a basic ability

Or an anti burst option

[rain sparrow]

For anti burst there are so many better options

[quartz iris]

Not for squishy adcs

[rain sparrow]

Nah lulu

Veil enchant

Morgana without stasis has no r

So she can’t buy veil

Without losing smth

[quartz iris]

Fair.

Enchanters do have better peel

[rain sparrow]

Just let the Morgana supp work at McDonald and let her be

[wicked snow]

What? What Rammus players do you play against man? No way I believe you that you get perma focused by a Rammus. If you do, you play against the worst Rammus players in the game, because a good Rammus locks down fed adcs and fed assassins. He doesn't go after a 0/8 adc. He goes for whoever is the biggest threat to his team.

[rain sparrow]

Exactly my point

Why focus on a adc who is already in shambles cause of early game and not on the 12/3 aatrox or smth

And he won’t survive the taunt in combination with your fed adc shooting him

The aatrox can’t do anything to the rammus himself fast enough so it’s just cooked

There is a reason that even though rammus was not touched he was suddenly op in the adc meta

Cause he counters adc and makes one giga fed while the enemy adc is useless

And a fed adc is insta win if he has hands in that meta

[dawn lodge]

Agreed

[elfin phoenix]

when it comes down to it, it makes sense that there is a champion that says “if you deal attack damage, your not gonna enjoy this”, just like galio kinda does for mages/ap dmg

and obviously as someone who plays AD champions

you dont enjoy it

rammus makes sense to be in the game, and you could definitely say that he is “busted by design” specifically vs AD champs because he can dash from a mile away at supersonic speeds to remind you that hitting a rammus is

1. a bad idea
2. not optional
   but he fills a specific role as a anti-adc tank, and he does his job well, while still having his drawbacks, like not being able to easily walk out of a fight, being weaker vs mages who obviously dont desl physical dmg and dont have much attack speed to hurt themselves

id much rather complain about a champion like sett

who I actually enjoy greatly and I feel has counterplay

but sometimes, he is smart, buys heartsteal, and you fight him, your so confident bc your fed and winning the fight, then he 100 to 0s you with the crazy mechanical combo of pressing W

I think its amazing design, truly, its so interesting that a champ can just reflect dmg like he does, but it also is absolutely fucking insane when I 1v1 the 14/3 adc at 10 minutes into the game, im 2/3/2, they kite me perfectly, I dont get a single hit on them, then I press W, and they disappear

[rain sparrow]

This legit doesn’t happen

Sett is always at the bottom of the meta in top lane

And for you to oneshot a adc your w has to do 2k + dmg which you don’t do till 3-4 items which I presume you don’t have when you are 2/3/2

And if a adc gets hit it’s deserved

[quartz iris]

In fairness he is slow as hell and still follows the constraints of juggernauts

And he can't do much against poke comps

[wicked snow]

True

[elfin phoenix]

I was just giving an example of champions that imo deserve more hate then rammus

the fact that it is entirely possible for him a tank/bruiser to rather easily oneshot someone with a single ability is kinda wild

although its likely different for higher elo’s or just different playstyles

just my thoughts 🤷‍♂️

[severe furnace]

Lux. Spellchuckers shouldn't have access to the internet

[rain sparrow]

Tristana

Garen of bot lane while being aatrox level strong

[quartz iris]

Guh

Shes nowhere close to aatrox in terms of adcs

Especially rn

[rain sparrow]

Bro idk but who would you say is stronger?

[quartz iris]

Lucian

[rain sparrow]

Ok another one?

[quartz iris]

Jihn

[rain sparrow]

Hell no

Tristana will diff jhin always

[quartz iris]

Huh

[rain sparrow]

Tristana wins against every adc late game

[quartz iris]

Have you ever played trist?

[rain sparrow]

Yeah

[quartz iris]

Oh yeah kinda

Id argue shes on par with vayne and kiasa late game

But I can see it

[rain sparrow]

Kaisa is dog in comparison

Kaisa is horrible this season

Tristana mogs vayne as well

[quartz iris]

Kinda. Shes definitely better than vayne most of the time but vayne is better in certain situations.

But even with late game trist being absurd her early game sucks against anyone with a brain

[rain sparrow]

Yes but my adc are horrible cause my stats are good and the game tries to balance it by giving me dog adc

So she’s always fed

[quartz iris]

Oh

Now I see

[rain sparrow]

And there is no adc other than her that can deal with aatrox

Lucian can as well

But it’s simpler against Lucian

So I hate her

Cause you need no skill to play her at all

She press q and spams auto and I lose ,if I get close due to her being shit she Presses r has double jump how can play?

[quartz iris]

Beat her early

But since your in top your kinda screwed unless you laneswap

[rain sparrow]

I’m cooked every game I play against this creature

[elfin phoenix]

now that us something I can agree on, even if she isnt the strongest she is annoying af

[coral compass]

easy way to tell if they know what they're doing is that if they go to invade enemy jgl at lvl 1 with no help, they suck

almost every yi i see that goes 0-11 starts out by trying to take enemy blue buff

[quartz iris]

I change my mind remove fiora

Racist champ with almost no weaknesses

At least yummi can't carry

[rain sparrow]

Finally you reformed to one of us

Fiora perma above all others

[wheat patrol]

Lux
Not because she's broken but the people who use her

Cuz I do not need another lux support who last hits the adc's kill

[floral gull]

Fr fr

[severe furnace]

My jungle gambit is invading the enemy jungler at their red buff. 9/10 times their top rotates while mine doesn't, 1/10 times neither does. Thry can't add Shaco soon enough, I want to mentally devastate my enemies

[quartz iris]

Pls no shaco. Id rather not get him as my support

[gaunt sandal]

Tryndamere, insane heal and can’t DIE FOR 6 SECONDS???

[floral gull]

Just cc him, slow him or use hourglass

[quartz iris]

he can't do much if you burst him before he ults/make him waste ult

[gaunt sandal]

That’s like what people say to every champion in yhe game

[gaunt sandal]

and by that time he already has 6 stacks of lethal and ur dead

[floral gull]

Ye that's why cc champs are strong but trynda is more vulnerable to cc since he doesn't have to much mobility and is squishy unless in ulti

[quartz iris]

Not if you space him

If you genuinely just don't stay near him there isn't much he can do

[wheat patrol]

Tryna is like a situational last pick option if the matchup lacks cc
He's not Viego level broken where he's still strong at any stage of the game

[unborn geode]

The only real answer is teemo because if you get rid of lux you also gotta get rid of veigar

I think teemo actually made many players bad at the game by giving them a kit that doesnt require them to actually learn the game

[coral compass]

I actually hate veigar way more than lux. Point click delete repeat lux at least has to land a spell

[quartz iris]

The thing with Veigar is that he doesn't have range and he sucks if he gets hard engaged on by someone like vi

Lux has range and can one-shot people earlier

[coral compass]

Still requires you to actually land your spell. Veigar literally just has an auto delete button after awhile

[wheat patrol]

It is counter able by just not letting him farm or not die to him
The thing is once event horizon ends
Veigar is the worst mid laner to date