Pick Gwen Jungle

[clever pelican]

Hello guys, I recently went from Eme 3 to Chall in under 100 games with an 85% wr spamming Gwen jungle after coming back to wild rift after a 3 month hiatus. I've played 70 games on her this season with a 65-5 W-L record.

I play and build her like a degenerate. I just have one build which is a full damage build. I also run conq + full damage runes.

Run precision as your main and zombie ward as your secondary if you're against bruisers/tanks. Run domination as your main and gathering storm as your secondary if you're against squishies.

Do NOT deviate from this at all.

Maxing AP is the way to go, don't bother with any survivability because if you use her W correctly you won't need any.

If you get her safe playstyle right, every game will be a ticking time bomb for the enemy because you scale harder than any other champion in the game. I've pulled back countless losing games just from pure scaling alone.

Not sure why her pick rate or winrate on LoL Legacy in the jungle is so low but hey give her a try.

[frank marten]

quick question what boots active do you use?

[ornate river]

Was this done solo?

[clever pelican]

Stasis

[clever pelican]

Mixed. But my last 14 games were SoloQ. I went 11-3.

[ornate river]

Just such an insane win rate lol

[loud glacier]

Nice Gwen

[loud glacier]

@worldly valley

[worldly valley]

@clever pelican can u coach me

[clever pelican]

Like give you more tips?

[worldly valley]

js make me a better jungler im cooked

[clever pelican]

what's your champ pool?

or are you playing gwen jg

[rose swift]

This season is so cooked

[worldly valley]

viego riven and picking up aatrox i pick gwen if there's like rammus pick or full AF

AD

I think I can get ahead consistently

but some times I lose anyways

orr

everybody is inting snd I cant play the game

and its ggs

[rose swift]

Honestly once you get to these extremely high winrates it Kinda become luck dependent if it’s 83-90%

On some accounts you will get more unlucky games than on the other

[loud glacier]

fr

[rose swift]

Bro don’t type fr if you can’t relate

[clever pelican]

Shouldn't luck diminish with the number of games?

[rose swift]

Yeah it does

But with 90% wr you only lost like 10 games till chall

So one more loss and you are 89

And so forth

[clever pelican]

Focusing on my Gwen wr alone

Of those 5 games I lost, only 2 were in GM 1/2

Obviously my raw stats diminished the higher up I went but I think even during my GM1 run Gwen felt pretty strong.

[rose swift]

Ofc cause grandmaster is still piss this season

And you are a good player so no wonder

[clever pelican]

Hmm I think I get what you're trying to say here but even if I lost a few more i think my wr would've still been solid

I reckon anything above 70% should be at least noticeably indicative that Gwen as a pick is 'underrated'

[clever pelican]

My advice for climbing is to spam champs that can hypercarry.

If you can hypercarry on assassins like K6 or Viego then spam those. But if you're like me and prefer better rounded champs spam things like Gwen Jax and Olaf

This is probably going to upset a lot of people but play for yourself, not your team unless they can be trusted to carry.

No point ganking that sub 50%er laner who's going to throw that gank-generated lead away later on when you'd be better off farming, stealing enemy camps, and generating a lead for yourself, which you can then use to close deficits or extend leads in the mid game.

[worldly valley]

wait what do u think abt nilah jg

[clever pelican]

Not strong enough

After the countless nerfs they gave her

[worldly valley]

her power fantasy being gatekept by 4 items

[clever pelican]

Not consistent enough

[worldly valley]

is kinda annoying slow

[rose swift]

Late game she is still top 3 champs in the game

[clever pelican]

Your nexus will explode before you hit 4 items in a SoloQ gane

[worldly valley]

games end by 3 items

[rose swift]

I know

[clever pelican]

You need a champ that is tolerable early, decent mid, and monstrous late

Olaf's an exception because if you can generate a lead early you can 1v9 thanks to DD + GoreDrinker

[worldly valley]

yeah I understand and even when I gank I try to secure the kills

I'll js become a viego otp

granted hes banned a bunch

[clever pelican]

As you can already tell my champ pool isn't very wide 😭😭 but in my experience it's better to really master a 3-4 champs than to spread your skill across a large variety of them.

[clever pelican]

Sometimes I don't even gank

I'm not kidding

[worldly valley]

😭 😭

nah I believe you

[clever pelican]

I only gank when I genuinely see an angle

• Gwen is not the best at ganking

[worldly valley]

I was like this too but I shifted my playstyle a little cause I'd get a few kills early then my impact would fall off

[clever pelican]

ESPECIALLY pre-5

[loud glacier]

I love gwen

[clever pelican]

Play selfishly

[worldly valley]

so I started making sure to involve myself in alot more plays

when I get fed

[loud glacier]

gwen feels like viego ngl

[clever pelican]

She's my wife

[loud glacier]

u shouldnt front line

unless u have to

[worldly valley]

I bought Cafe cuties gwen

j needa atleast use it

[clever pelican]

You need to spam Gwen more

[loud glacier]

u can front line dive for turrets with minions

[clever pelican]

So you get used to her

[loud glacier]

i have 800 games on her

I love gwen

[clever pelican]

1000 for me

😁

[loud glacier]

i want her lunar skins

[clever pelican]

I have all her skins

[loud glacier]

I used to force her into jg before buff

[clever pelican]

No crystal rose prestige

[loud glacier]

she was so ass at jungle before

[loud glacier]

im too broke for her skins

I was genuinely crying

[clever pelican]

I was doing aight with her pre buffs

[worldly valley]

also I lowkey think camille jg is good

[loud glacier]

she wasnt bad

but like

[clever pelican]

Then u not a real one

[loud glacier]

definetly not an ideal pick

[clever pelican]

🤣🤣🤣

[loud glacier]

NAH NAH

hear me out

I played her for like

[clever pelican]

I stuck with her through thick and thin

[loud glacier]

200-400 games in jungle

dont say im not a real one

[clever pelican]

I picked her up after she had the E nerf

[loud glacier]

Im just saying riot could have cough cough make her E reset after hitting jungle mobs

[loud glacier]

same

[clever pelican]

Maybe it's an articulation issue on my end but after playing enough games on her I naturally learned how to play her in fights

I can't really explain how you should use her

[loud glacier]

common gwen mistakes is that people spam her W

like

very common mistake

[clever pelican]

Yeah I'm q conservative with her W

[loud glacier]

You should hold out on your W until its absolutely necessary or someone is tryna ult you

[clever pelican]

But somehow or rather it just comes to me naturally

[loud glacier]

dont just use the W when somebody is up close to you (though u get a tiny armour buff its not that useless)

U can use W when chasing adcs and using ghost at the same time to stop poke dmg

or u can use W to push turrets

(obviously dont hit the enemy under turret or they lock oonto you)

[clever pelican]

Sometimes I frontline against F2B comps just to shred their frontline

No one expects it

[loud glacier]

Front line is possible if they have like 1 or 2 cc champs

[clever pelican]

Very few people expect it

How fast bruisers and tanks evaporate

[loud glacier]

I dont recommend frontlining that much unless you're mega fed

[clever pelican]

Hmm

[loud glacier]

thats hoow i play tho

[clever pelican]

Ok good point

I'm usually quite fed

[loud glacier]

like if ur not up 2k gold

or moore

i wouldnt

[clever pelican]

Or at least I have items

[loud glacier]

cuz you'll definetly either get bursted down first or CC chained intoo oblivion

thats where stasis can help

[clever pelican]

Cuz sometimes I'll just E forward and farm Q stacks then I'll immediately W to stop CC then press Q

Whatever tank is there won't be there

[loud glacier]

I would ult first tbh if im the one engaging

[clever pelican]

I can't lie this season I haven't really used stasis a lot

[loud glacier]

I wouldnt engage first if i didnt have my ult (once again unless ur fed LOL)

[clever pelican]

That's why I say I play her like a degenerate. I almost never build stasis on her or any boot enchant because I just spam damage items

[loud glacier]

none of this advice applies if you're fed lol

u can just rush in and W and then Q E spam

[clever pelican]

That's why farming is important

Sometimes I'll just chill in the early game and let the game play out.

They can't do anything because I'm passively farming

[loud glacier]

I tried out your build

I usually go riftmaker so i can gank earlier and participate in fights

going nashors first basically means u wont see ur jungler for the first 5-7 minutes

[clever pelican]

I always go nashors

Helps with clear

[loud glacier]

yeye I agree nashor is better for jg

rift for laning

[clever pelican]

If they make a good play that I can't fight out I'll farm their jungle, push waves, and take turrets.

If they make a play that I can fight out I'll just fight, get gold, and get out. The fight can end unfavourably numbers wise but if I get out that's all that matters.🤣

[loud glacier]

man gwen is a ridiculous champ

u can 1v3 with ease

u have soo much sustain once u get ur third or 2nd item

[clever pelican]

That's why I never build boot enchant

[loud glacier]

do u go nashors then boots?

[clever pelican]

I almost always build 4 items first before I buy stasis

[loud glacier]

thats what i do

[clever pelican]

Nashors then Ap boots. Then I'll leave the AP boots there for the whole game.

[loud glacier]

tbh never buy enchantment unless ur starting to get cooked by their targetting

I dont buy my enchantments unless i start getting CC chaind

and im like

alright

this is annoying

[clever pelican]

Yeah

[loud glacier]

im buying the QQs

[clever pelican]

Her W gives enough space

Btw this low-key applies to Jax as well

[loud glacier]

I love when ADCs try to poke me

[clever pelican]

I have to be the world's only Jax jungle

[loud glacier]

Jax jg is

eh

[clever pelican]

Hell I pioneered Jax jungle back in S0

[loud glacier]

isnt his clear awful?

[clever pelican]

Not as bad as u think

[loud glacier]

idk i dont play that much jax

hes pretty good tho as a champ

[clever pelican]

He's a Gwen with a lower risk/reward ratio

[loud glacier]

dont compare jax to my goat

🗣️

ik ppl like

overexaggerate Gwen's whole kit

i feel like her W is so underrated

[clever pelican]

Yeah

[loud glacier]

actually i think people dont know how her W works

😭

[loud glacier]

those Naut/Cait ults

everytime

[clever pelican]

I love trolling panicked Panth players

[loud glacier]

its hilarious

[clever pelican]

I just W next to a unit and watch bro dump his whole combo on that unit

If he's smart enough he'll walk into W before doing that but I'll just AA him to remove first strike

[loud glacier]

Gwen's W does that?

lmao i didnt know

[clever pelican]

Most Panth players auto cast W

So if you Gwen W next to a unit

He will most likely W the unit

[loud glacier]

Bot panth players

[clever pelican]

Unless he's good

But even if he's good

He fights without first strike

Because he has to walk into your circle

[loud glacier]

I feel like Panth doesnt have enough burst for me to care about getting stasis for him

[clever pelican]

I've faced some panths who flash W me and win

[loud glacier]

I can just Pop W wait for his combo to end and then just Q E spam and heal back to full

😭

[clever pelican]

That's the only consistent way

[loud glacier]

its the smart way

[clever pelican]

I will say

Naut jungle absolutely cooks you

[loud glacier]

AP?

[clever pelican]

Yes

[loud glacier]

If they ult inside your W yeah

ur cooked

[clever pelican]

Nah

He cooks you at every stage of the game

Not just 1v1

He cooks u at objs

At ganking

At clearing

[loud glacier]

I've never had that problem im ngl

[clever pelican]

U haven't seen Chall+ Naut players

[loud glacier]

prob not

[clever pelican]

I used to 5 stack in Chall in previous seasons

[loud glacier]

naut can take like 70% of ur hp right?

wait no

AP can one shot u

LOL

[clever pelican]

Yeah

He one shots you

Before you heal back up

I will say that above GM, I probably have a 20% wr against AP naut

[loud glacier]

thats why I usually use my ult and engage first

ult does enough dmg to either scare them away or let u kill them first

[clever pelican]

Gwen's biggest counters are Naut and Eve

[loud glacier]

Diana

Amumu

[clever pelican]

Bro

How 😭

[loud glacier]

not amumu actually

Diana tho

[clever pelican]

Amumu is free lunch

Diana is skill matchup

[loud glacier]

I got jump scared by a diana in my jungle bush

[clever pelican]

Naut and Eve cook you

[loud glacier]

i got one shotted by her ult

😭

[clever pelican]

Pls trust

[clever pelican]

Eve E Q R and you're gone

Doesn't even have to use W

K6 cooks Gwen as well especially if it's a good K6

But yeah assassins generally cook Gwen

[loud glacier]

Bro ik

[loud glacier]

Eve one shots u

[clever pelican]

Oh yeah another hard counter

High Chall - Sov Zeds absolutely cook you

You have a 0% wr

He outscales you 1v1

[loud glacier]

Ngl

I’m surprised u got such a high winrate

As Gwen

65/5 is wild

were u not up against assassins?

[clever pelican]

A fair bit

[loud glacier]

That’s why I say u shouldn’t frontline a lot lol

[clever pelican]

But I managed

[loud glacier]

I guess it was a skill issue

[clever pelican]

My 5 losses were to Eve, Naut, K6, and 2 Lillias

[loud glacier]

The devious AP Naut

[clever pelican]

"I always ask my clients never to count me by my winners, but my losers because I have so few of them"

[loud glacier]

Ngl it’s an easy rotation as a jg main

U can go Viego and brute force against assassins

And Gwen for tankier comps

[loud glacier]

what you know abt kindred

[clever pelican]

Very little

Asking me to play ranged champs is like asking Hawking to walk

[frank marten]

Kindred mentioned

[loud glacier]

LETS GOOO

[clever pelican]

Don't see her picked a lot

[loud glacier]

I love her kindred

[loud glacier]

Yeah she’s a bit washed

Pre nerf kindred was doom tho

[frank marten]

Shes good but she has problems

Situational imo

[loud glacier]

Very niche champ ngl

[frank marten]

Very fun when I can play her though

Will be my pocket pick forever

[loud glacier]

What other jgs did u play again

[loud glacier]

I stopped playing her ngl

[frank marten]

Fair

Not a great champ to main

[loud glacier]

I do still love her

[clever pelican]

Gwen Olaf Jax Zed

[loud glacier]

I had 200 games still

She’s more beginner friendly lowkey

[frank marten]

Eh

[loud glacier]

gives better vision ig?? High elo don’t need her vision mechanic tho

[frank marten]

Not really compared to outher jgs imo

[loud glacier]

Ooo zed

[loud glacier]

She’s a decent champ if u have a bit of a tanky comp

she’s kinda a hybrid

She can do well against tanks thanks to her marks

But she’s also an ADC so like

[frank marten]

Shes not bad but you need a team comp that can play around her

[clever pelican]

Might as well play Gwen atp 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[frank marten]

Since you now have 2 adcs

[loud glacier]

Yeah fr

[loud glacier]

I do man

[frank marten]

I would if it didn't mean I now have three ap champs on my team every game

[loud glacier]

Ap>Ad

Ok I’m just lying

AD items are better

[frank marten]

Depends on the patch but yeah ad items are better

[last gust]

She’s good if u kno what to do

[last gust]

I’ve been trying Gwen, how is your clear speed

[clever pelican]

Mid

Definitely improved