jgl advice for beginners

[frail bluff]

i’ve climbed up to higher elo by playing all roles except jungle, but i want to try getting good at it too. what are some jungle champs i should grind with / master and do you have any advice on how to gank lanes properly when all my teammates are pushing lanes and not giving me opportunities to gank. also what do i do when the enemy jungle keeps invading my jungle but my teammates don’t look at map and don’t help me so i end up behind on farm? (i usually play soloq)

[turbid socket]

Well since your really good id recommend you try riven,Graves,kindred, and ekko,

Also if you keep getting invaded invade them back

They can't stop you if their invading your camps

Also you can coordinate tower dives with your team if everyone is pushing lanes and you should gank right after finishing one side of your jungle so you can keep up with farm

Kinda like how before you roam in mid you push the wave in while your enemy's recalling/dead

[grand relic]

I would recommend first starting with simple champs in the jungle. I'd recommend vi , she's pretty strong and basic. As for jungle, you need to have a wincon in mind and your priority most of the time would be farming. Gank lanes that you believe will win you the game. You might be inclined to go for the teemo that's struggling his lane, but you have to think about the bigger picture and snowball the other lanes that are already winning. I can't stress enough that farming (especially with recent buffs) is super important. As for objectives, always ensemble over first drag. Since baron time got shortened, most of the time second drag will be up same time as baron. You want that baron every time.

[turbid socket]

Id recommend amumu if your team needs some ap

[grand relic]

Now for enemy jungler. You want to be tracking them throughout the game. Just look at where they start. If they start same place, they'll be matching you most of the time. Now if youre getting invaded and your team is not reacting you want to just back off. More often than not enemy junlger invades because their stronger and his nearby lanes have prio(his lanes are stronger). Now you can try to invade his jungle but they usually have ward there and you'll just get collapsed. It's better to just back away and finish your camps. Probably missing some stuff but you can just watch guides.

[turbid socket]

If his lanes are getting pushed in like he says they are then the enemy can't collapse in on him

They have to deal with your lanes first and if they don't then your lanes get ahead.

[grand relic]

At the end of the day if teamates aren't coming to stop the invade and ur weaker then you can't take the fight

Im talking about like lvl 1 invades I doubt teamates are pushing that far in lvl 1

[turbid socket]

Oh thats different

I was thinking normal invades

Like post first clear

[grand relic]

Ah that's not that common in my experience at least

I cant really imagine enemy junlger just jumping into jungle to invade when he sees his teamates are getting pushed in lol

But generally if youre weaker and ur getting invaded with no help its better to back off

[frail bluff]

yeah no i meant level 1-3 invades. usually in that scenario i get counter picked and therefore the enemy jungler does 1 to 2 camps and then invades me immediately but my teammates for some reason don’t react and i either die or have to back away

and by that point the enemy jungler is ahead enough they just keep invading my camps bc they know my teammates aren’t helping

which ends in a loss usually unless i get really lucky and my team carries their lanes hard

[frail bluff]

i actually go for vi most of the time if i get autofilled but i always thought helping my struggling teammate would be the better option. so i do see why getting my already winning lanes more kills is a much more reliable scenario. my problem however is whenever i do go for a gank it doesn’t work bc either my teammates don’t follow or are pushed in way too hard for us to get any kills 🤔

[regal ibex]

play selfishly

do your camps when they're up

only gank if you 100% know its gonna go well

[regal ibex]

emphasis on this

[regal ibex]

this is very standard

just counter jungle

and if you can't do that just tank the loss

sometimes if my lanes are losing ill deadass take their waves just so i can scale better cause i have no faith in them

also idk how ur getting perma invaded early without knowing, are you warding level 1 and recalling?

[grand relic]

Some lanes are difficult to gank because of who they have. You gotta figure out which lane is easier to gank and path towards that lane first. Instead of coming from the river you could come from the lane at times. Just go in the opposite bush and wait for them to walk up and vi ult.

[frail bluff]

but if i don't gank and the enemy jungler keeps ganking every lane how do i counter play this then?

[frail bluff]

i do ward and recall but they usually come from where it's not warded and steal my farm 😭

[frail bluff]

i'll definitely try this out and see what works best thank you

[civic perch]

I’m not sure his advice is 100% accurate. I think vi is very good early and falls off late so you do want to gank a lot

If you are farming and opp is ganking a lot, invade, counter gank another lane, or walk to that lane if ur close enough

[civic perch]

Imo ward buff and recall, then invade if they invade buff

Idk tho u are much better than me rank wise im not used to good junglers like that

If u want better advice I would watch a few Los Ratones scrims. They are very fun to watch and they talk about jungler a lot as Velja, their jungler is a rookie

[civic perch]

I also believe getting bot lane to win is the most important thing so it’s good to full clear or level 3 gank them

Based on what mood you are in just do full clear or half clear into gank

[regal ibex]

what others said but if you track enemy jungler

you can predict when they'll gank

and you can countergank

pick up a kill or two

just something you'll get good at over time though

[delicate swallow]

Don’t tell him riven

Riven is an insanely mechanical champ

[turbid socket]

apperently hes good in outher roles

i think hell be fine with riven

[delicate swallow]

No

If y wanna play riven well doubt

[turbid socket]

I mean if he can't play riven then he shouldn't but imo riven wouldn't be bad if he knows how to play her

But he isn't new to champs only to jungle macro

[regal ibex]

it isnt

anyone can pick up riven

only hard thing about him is his first clear

if you wanna do perfect full clear with smite left over for scuttle

[delicate swallow]

Stop fking talking

U have no idea wtf u are talking about

[regal ibex]

i onetricked riven to sov and legend last season

i think i know what im talking about

[delicate swallow]

If you are saying riven is not mechanical inclined champ u have no idea WTH u are talking about I assure u

[regal ibex]

it really isn't

people like you overcomplicate him

[delicate swallow]

Have u ever played pc riven

A day in ur life

[regal ibex]

pc riven

is way harder

than wild rift riven

case closed

[delicate swallow]

It’s still the same combos lol

[regal ibex]

but 100x easier on wild rift

[delicate swallow]

Do u weave in autos at all or do the w flash

Flash third q

Ew flash

[regal ibex]

weaving in autos

is piss

what

thats not

mechanically difficult

at all

or w flash

or flash third q?

gang you gotta widen your eyes a little bit

[delicate swallow]

Gang

Im masters on pc league stfu

[regal ibex]

ok but im not wrong

riven on wild rift

is not mechanically difficult

at all

[delicate swallow]

I’m assuming u button smash on riven

[regal ibex]

yeah bro i button smash

for sure

[delicate swallow]

I wouldn’t doubt it honestly

Most of the people in masters and legend or wtever these damn ranks are don’t know how to play

[regal ibex]

uh huh

[delicate swallow]

They play silver at best on pc

[regal ibex]

you're not wrong

[delicate swallow]

And it gives me a god damn migraine

[regal ibex]

okay bro

take some paracetamol

[delicate swallow]

Do u auto cancel

With riven

[regal ibex]

why would you not

genuine question

cus that literally

mashing two buttons

in succession

wow so mechanically difficult

imagine

this gotta be ragebait with how delusional you are

[delicate swallow]

I feel like u get ur ass kicked on the daily on pc

[regal ibex]

too bad i dont play pc and this is a wild rift server

[delicate swallow]

Just by how u are talking

I can see why explain to me

How do u cancel auto attacks as riven in wild rift I genuinely

Wanna know if u doing it right

[regal ibex]

lowkey you cant

have you even played riven in wild rift though

it really isn't hard mechanically give it a try

[delicate swallow]

Yes u can

You can do it similar with the q a

[regal ibex]

and in what world would i want to

cancel my autos

[delicate swallow]

……..

Yea you went a totally different direction

[regal ibex]

wait im genuinely curious

[delicate swallow]

U do realize WTF I was talking about right

Or no

[regal ibex]

idk do you mean weaving in autos

and cancelling like that

or just going up to something and cancelling my auto before it lands

[delicate swallow]

Essentially weaving

[regal ibex]

bro

thats mashing

two buttons

[delicate swallow]

And taking out the animation

If u mash it to damn early u cancel ur fking

U know wt nvm

[regal ibex]

never happened to me

[delicate swallow]

Well then idfk wt you are pressing

[regal ibex]

gang its just two buttons you gotta press

you literally do it in your clear

what

play riven on wild rift its much much easier

idk how it is on pc but

[turbid socket]

Comparing how difficult wild rift riven is to pc riven is just kinda stupid

Wild rift has different standards and items than pc along with every champ being easier thanks to the simple controls

[delicate swallow]

And the standards for wild rift need to be gutted

Every build I seen that the supposed pros build is the default one the games give you

[turbid socket]

Thats cause the game actually makes good default builds

Thats not a bad thing lamo

Also im talking game design standards not skill standards

[hollow hatch]

it is tough on PC btw

but lmao on wild rift shes cheap elo

[delicate swallow]

…..

so you would take grasp on yasuo

[hollow hatch]

its good if you arent above emerald

till now wild rift still recommends triforce on riven btw

[hollow hatch]

also it was "good", but only as a bandaid for the yas otps, when crit items were total shit

wild rift also doesnt really adjust builds between item reworks

[turbid socket]

I don't play him so idk

[turbid socket]

Yeah but thats probably because their outdated

[frail bluff]

um can i get more jungle advice pls 💀

[turbid socket]

learn macro by always doing something

if you can get an advantage take it and try to push any advantage you can

also if your playing a more supportive jungler like tank junglers or something like vi don't get to broken if you fall behind

you still provide value even when behind thanks to your cc and honestly imo if your laners good its okay to die if you can get a lane ahead

none of this applys to carry junglers btw

you fall behind on someone like olaf or riven your literaly useless

[regal ibex]

yah this

[regal ibex]

triforce standard build for jungle riven

for top not really

[grand relic]

Mute chat

#1 jungle advice

[frail bluff]

what about someone like eve

is she still a good pick..

[turbid socket]

idk if shes good rn

but she is a carry jungler

entirly selfish

[frail bluff]

but besides vi, what jungler is very reliable (usually) if learned right?

i want to focus on learning one specific one

not riven...

[regal ibex]

she's ok

[turbid socket]

amumu

and nunu

[frail bluff]

thankss

[turbid socket]

in general tank junglers are the most cosistent junglers (besides maokai)

while yes carry junglers can carry if you mess up once you game can just be over

[frail bluff]

i figured it'd be harder if it's not a tank bc usually my junglers mess up more when it's not a tank

but then again one lane can mess up the entire game if the team doesn't know how to team play

[turbid socket]

yeah but if your jungler messes up and the enemy jg is good then your screwed

[frail bluff]

that's why i'm looking to learn a more reliable jgl. most of the time junglers are autofill anyway

at least in higher elo

[hot locust]

Really depends on your playstyle. Also, I found if you can constantly finding good gank, that is all you need

[turbid socket]

Yeah but there are some exceptions

Mainly powerfarming junglers that aren't Graves or lilia