#help making 18 pools

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uncut wyvern
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so, camille, any takers?

rapid spindle
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as someone who frequently plays supp/jg/solo and sometimes mid, playing a wide wide variety of champs, i have no clue what your talking about (i gave up on reading about halfway through)

uncut wyvern
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thats fair enough

uncut wyvern
rapid spindle
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ive heard jax does

uncut wyvern
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I mean give me all the counters

rapid spindle
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well idk

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champs that can punish her long cd on 3rd ability and escape her 2nd ability lane poke prob

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likely low hp champs also so she cant just build divine sunderer and win anyways

uncut wyvern
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Ok good, now, what counters those champions(from my 18 champions named above)? Aka what counters what counters camille

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Are you still with me so far? đź’€

rapid spindle
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yes and no

uncut wyvern
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Ok where did I lose you

rapid spindle
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the part where you put this into play

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you want to show camille in pick, then wait for them to counter pick

uncut wyvern
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Don't worry about it

rapid spindle
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then counter pick the counter pick?

uncut wyvern
rapid spindle
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also iirc jax played well is like, one of the top 5 dualists in the game so idk what counters him ngl, just a tank who doesnt die to him 🤷‍♂️

uncut wyvern
# rapid spindle then counter pick the counter pick?

So my order of thinking is. I blind pick camille or pick her in winning/skill matchups. If I see a counter of her, I obviously want to not play camille, in order to not get countered, so I am picking.... A counter to that, here is where the counter of counter comes in play

uncut wyvern
rapid spindle
uncut wyvern
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Well, you don't always get last pick, but sometimes you do

rapid spindle
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so you just want to know what champs counter other champs, and your making it 10x more complicated?

uncut wyvern
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When I can't see what the enemy top laner is picking, I am going camille. But if I see what he is picking, and I see that he is picking a theoretical counter I no longer want to go camille

uncut wyvern
rapid spindle
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ok

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đź’€

uncut wyvern
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I really only can say what counters akali and riven, as I have roughly 1k to 3k on each

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But besides that

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I am pretty ooga booga

austere wharf
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I like lolanalytics for match up analysis.

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The worst matchup for Camille by win rate statistic versus individual champion is Teemo.

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Teemo wins against Camille 4.5% more than average.

uncut wyvern
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isnt that for pc? its lime 80% accurate for wild rift (imo a completly different game) and most websites are not as accurate as live advice, so lets say only 80% is accurate. Also keep in mind that probably there is some false intel from pc to lolanlythic, another 80% so thats like 51.2% accurate

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like*

austere wharf
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Next is Jax at 3.5%

uncut wyvern
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I totally fucked up the math its 80% of 80% not 80% of 80% of 80% but 51.2 sounds better than 64% đź’€

austere wharf
uncut wyvern
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thats why I considered live advice more useful, I actually get to understand why, not only see numbers

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and they dont have lucian top :/

austere wharf
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They do

uncut wyvern
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also why can singed be played in every lane on pc đź’€

austere wharf
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Lucian top is super good into Mundo with almost 20 percent more win rate than average and bad into Kayle with over 20 percent less than average

uncut wyvern
uncut wyvern
austere wharf
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just search lucian and pick top lane

austere wharf
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Playstyle is similar across both games.

uncut wyvern
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no, I totally understand where you are coming from, its a great tool to consult when you have any idea what you are talking about, but with most of my mains, even if I do call them mains, I have no idea what counters them or what is a skill matchup etc, and there are one too many combinations for me to test everyone

uncut wyvern
uncut wyvern
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more bruiser focus build

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while we go like

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bork into lots of ar pen items

austere wharf
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I haven't had success with wild rift playstyle yet. I play spear shot playstyle pantheon in wild rift. I think I have around 60 percent win rate across both NA and TW on him. I've lost maybe almost 75% where I try the top 3 build.

uncut wyvern
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taiwan?

austere wharf
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Yes currently

uncut wyvern
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I see

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do continue

austere wharf
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You have convincing points alongside everyone else in this server. I just always use Loloanalytics and LoL guides and haven't had much problem.

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LoL have more detailed statistics and guides.

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That i can read rather than watch.

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I am the only player in the server that does things this way. Every time I deviate due to influence of this server. I get hardstuck plat and gold rather than emerald or diamond.

uncut wyvern
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as you mentioned, the 2 games have similarities. I too watch SOME champion tutorials from pc, but there are so many differences, that looking for the 2 indians speaking hindi and telling you how to build and when to pick specific champions it's more advanatageous than the 5000 pc videos well edited

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does that make sense

austere wharf
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Yes, it makes sense. I try out the advice of this server over and over again, and it doesn't work out for me. I tend to avoid video guides though.

uncut wyvern
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ok hol up

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wanna explain to me why riven has 50% winrate against the cat đź’€

austere wharf
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Riven where?

uncut wyvern
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to be fair there were only 2 played games

austere wharf
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Im seeing 55 percent winrate against Yuumi across 1600 games with 1.5% more than avg after normalization.

uncut wyvern
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I was watching top lane only

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thats yuumi top lane

austere wharf
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Does it account for Yuumi s winrate versus other champions is that what it is doing???

uncut wyvern
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well I guess they are saying that yuumi top lane wins 19.19% of the games, but against riven she wins 50%

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no my bad

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its 16.65 not 19.19

uncut wyvern
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man

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I know this is bad but I trust yall over google

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I mean

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is it?

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is having faith in humanity a dumb act?

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but

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me trust peopel me no trust 🤖

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I still get where you are coming from, but stats seem to view it objectively, when some subjectivity can shine over some details that the plain numbers failed to make the person searching on google see

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brother

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I barely get answeres from any players on here

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youre telling in order for my full plan to work I need to find 18 different players that actually answer to my dms in effective time?

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das crazy

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ah

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we were on camille

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but up next was going to come diana

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ok maybe I leave the niche champions for last

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up next would be fiora

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would your advice not apply to fiora? shouldnt I find a fiora otp?

uncut wyvern
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But like

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Who plays lucian top lee top diana top ekko top and so on

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And why is camille considered niche đź’€

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