Seraphine & Karma(Which is better for Mid Lane?)

[fresh vapor]

Want a champ that can go mid but also have support properties so I can have some champ to play when I get autopicked support

And maybe I can also consider Morgana

[tame stump]

karma by a long shot

seraphine is a bad champion who is hard to be useful with in general

[fresh vapor]

hmm i see,

i thought seraph is almost the same as lux

[tame stump]

shes good at giving shields and she has a big aoe ult

thats the entirety of her usefulness

[tepid condor]

Really? I'm surprised... For me, hands down Seraphine. She's a solid mid champ on Wild Rift. She's brilliant for mid, duo as APC and even support.

While Karma is one of my best support champs currently (especially with the tank build), in mid she almost dies instantly and gets outscaled due to range and meta. Instead of her, Morg mid is better.

Ergo, Sera mid > Karma mid by a long shot.

[tame stump]

sera mid = free camp imo, karma has much more survivability and contributes more to messy objective fights/river prio

[tepid condor]

Karma is amazing as support though. She can go ap build, utility support build with Harmonic Echo etc, or full tank Glacial Augment build.

[tame stump]

(im also coming more from pc angle than wr angle, ive only seen karma mid wr once)

[tepid condor]

For me, it's been the opposite. Sera doesn't need to interact with her opponent since she clears the wave almost instantly like Morgana. Her range ensures survivability too, while Karma lacks in range

[tepid condor]

Ah, yes - exact opposite then. WR is strange like that.

[tame stump]

id trust koremitsu’s opinion then @fresh vapor

[fresh vapor]

I'll get seraph first then, and karma from ranked champion chest later when it's available

thank you for the insight! 🙏🏻

[echo coral]

Karma is much better

[echo coral]

Seraphine doesn't need to interact with the lane because she clears, but she's also much more gankable than karma. Karma shield is also much better than seraphine w. Just a better champion overall in the meta rn

[hollow bobcat]

hot take but

i genuinely believe seraphine is like SSS tier rn

from what ive seen

ive been playing her mid/adc/sp on challenger lobbies w a 71℅ winrate

she scales disgustingly we especially after the buffs to her base numbers on W

karma is less gold reliant with good base numbers but she's better off in support instead of mid for me

seraphine has better wave control, stronger scaling and better carry potential once you reach past laning phase

she outscales most midlane champions and just has better numbers than karma when it comes to shielding and damage

[hollow bobcat]

for mid-late game atleast, karma outshines seraphine's damage in the earlier stages

don't underestimate how much shielding healing and damage seraphine can output with just a couple levels and items

if you have good macro you almost always have lane prio and you have stronger impact in objective fights compared to other midlaners

[hollow bobcat]

im mostly on lux tho, seraphine is just a good general pick for me

when I can't lux

70℅ on both

[echo coral]

Oh wait the question was better for mid

I thought it was which is better overall for both lanes

Mid seraphine is slightly better but karma is a better champion overall

[echo coral]

Karma shields late game gives like 40% more to every champ that's disgusting

Her q with comet I feel is stronger than Sera e or q

[rotund garnet]

My personal feeling is karma is easier and more forgiving mid. If you can't hit skill shots karma is better. Otherwise sera is

[hollow bobcat]

not rlly

sera shields are so much stronger

karma doesn't scale very well, she just has good base numbers

late game her shielding is outclassed

[echo coral]

Ur wrong 🔥

[echo coral]

With that item though no

[hollow bobcat]

the numbers don't lie lol

u can test it urself

[echo coral]

Idk the name but doesn't one of the item give her crazy shield %s

[hollow bobcat]

yeah and sera builds that too

[echo coral]

are you sure I feel like you're gaslighting me

[fresh vapor]

I ALMOST BUSTED WITH THIS LUCKY ULT 😩😩😩‼️

but I did fumble a bit since the pantheon kept looking for me in teamfights, I went 1/4 😭.

any build for seraphine? I mean what items are a must, and which one should I avoid. (Damage Focused Preferably)

I thought buying cosmic drive would be a good idea since it gives ms and ability haste so I can spam skills much more often.

[echo coral]

@hollow bobcat Ur a professional

^^

[hollow bobcat]

im nott 😭

[rotund garnet]

Cosmic drive is good

[hollow bobcat]

ya cosmic drive super strong item on sera if ur looking for ability spam

but damage-wise try horizon paired with any damage item (liandrys or ludens)

as much as possible prioritize ability haste and AP

[fresh vapor]

got it

[hollow bobcat]

I have a couple mid builds if you want

[fresh vapor]

I want itttt

[hollow bobcat]

mkayy

one sec

these are my usual midlane/apc builds

shieldbash and empowered attack combo is sleeper op

laning phase you always outrange ur opponent so W + notes + shieldbash + empowered

is so much damage

and late game with lich your notes hurt so bad

always Q W E max

on mid/apc

here's my support build too.. waitz

this one is W E Q max

all you need is ionian revival, sofw and archangel

then after that it's up to you

but remember to prioritize ability haste over any other stat on this build

you just wanna spam double W

every fight

late game you're doing like 800+ AoE shields every 5 seconds

it's disgusting

[hollow bobcat]

so that means you'll want items like crown, morello, cosmic, mandate, harmonic echo, ardent censer

ludens even if you're the one carrying

I genuinely believe that seraphine is like hands down one of

the strongest mid/adc champs in the game rn

[echo coral]

bro has two support items

[hollow bobcat]

yez

[fresh vapor]

thank youuu mate

i did wonder if taking aery/first strike would be good idea but i was just too scared to try it in mid, i always brought electrocute/meteor since idk what to take

ability upgrade order too, I thought I should go Q E W, turns out that's not really good for teamfight