5.0 jungle tierlist not ordered

[stark bolt]

If you have any disagreements tell me and we can chat about it

[glossy beacon]

WHY SETT JG

and wukong is not A+ he is bad

Shen is also bad in soloq

wtf is galio jg

[stark bolt]

Sett was actually originally really op in jg

[glossy beacon]

WTF IS RENEKTON JG

[stark bolt]

And im pretty sure with new titanic hes again a good jungle

[stark bolt]

Its not bad

[balmy axle]

looks sadge

like some of these aren't viable or good

some are situational like whenever you lack something in a team comp

[stark bolt]

Wdym what champs do you think are too high

[gleaming river]

most of this is like okay

naut, heca, and diana should be higher tho

naut should be way higher tbh

:p

idk from my experience naut jg is like, everywhere and it's crazy strong

the A tier renek has me shook too

[stark bolt]

Yeah naut and diana too low i just feel like hec does no dmg from my experience

[gleaming river]

really now?

might be biased from a adamant skillshot champ spammer but heca has been pretty decent?

like he's not in his glory days anymore but he's still a popular and strong jg pick

[stark bolt]

Ok the thing is for an assasin he doesnt one shot and deals no dmg to anything but squishies

Like my qs were dealing like 200 dmg to tanks

[gleaming river]

I feel like that's the point tho

I don't think he should be allowed to murder any champ he wants to

since he has so much chase down potential

and he's decently tanky

[stark bolt]

Maybe its cuz he doesnt feel tanky to me i could be wrong

[balmy axle]

Hecarim is an outlier, but his cc and sustain is insane

he's like your last option engage/frontline

he is strong but there are better alternatives

Diana imo is just easy to invade

[stark bolt]

They just keep nerfing any good ap jungler

Its stupid

[gleaming river]

yea bring back gwungle T T

I still play gwungle tho im devoted

[stark bolt]

Give her back the 4 camp clear

Before skuttle

Idk how gwen does well in high elo i feel like shes so easy to invade and out tempo

[balmy axle]

riot doesn't want huhu

ap junglers back, then ad mid is prevalent

[balmy axle]

Jayce and Sett are more utilized in lane

Fiora Camille too

stupid to use them outside

when they're great in lane

[stark bolt]

There good in jng just cuz someones good in lane doesnt mean its bad to use them in jng

Sett rn is busted as a champ overall and he now has a faster clear with titanic and his ult is really good for ganks if he gets behind his opp idk maybe im overating him but he used to be busted as a jng i dont see why he wouldnt be now with this new change

Jayce is also good he just takes skill the best thing about him is that late game he becomes a poke machine i can def see him being too high rn

I think while theres an argument for darius being better then jayce i dont think hes better then sett for the big reason that mid to late game sett is an unkillable monster in team fights while darius feels alot more fragile

[glossy beacon]

sett can get more stacks in lane

[stark bolt]

Thats why hes not s tier

Also you can just not build hearthsteel and good titanic iceborn gauntlet and thats still hella good

[stark bolt]

Isnt sett more mobile then darius?

Just because his q gives him a speed up also i swear his clear wasnt bad brb ima test it out

His clears not bad id say its average range

Its not to the level of vi kayn or darius but its good enough

[balmy axle]

nope

that's not how it works

wild rift jungle is just easy to allow more champs but that doesn't mean you should play lane bullies in the jungle

[balmy axle]

exactly

[balmy thorn]

J4 one of the strongest jgl. Ppl sleeping on him

[foggy mirage]

H0w is Shen higher than Lee Sin and Khazix and Xin Zha0?

[glossy beacon]

shen is terrible soloq

[marble anchor]

Meanwhile the user use flash to escape from his own ult

[still raptor]

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[stark bolt]

Titanic is busted he is really strong early and his ult gives him constant global pressure

His clears not the best but it really doesnt have to be

[frank wren]

no way blud put heca and Diana into A tier

[left sphinx]

Shen's double Q clear is also pretty awesome for an off meta jungler.

Triple Q leash is the best.

[left sphinx]

The reason that he is bad in soloq is also the reason that he could be incredibly strong in soloq.

[ornate tundra]

what about kai'sa jg

I mean Nilah

since I believe shes pretty bad in dragon lane how is she in jungle

[balmy axle]

it did work, although it's hard, it's funneling and will only work in premades

T1 did it in Korea like 2ish years ago

[balmy thorn]

nilah in jgl is not so good anymore, it used to be great

but they nerfed her dmg to monsters

[frank wren]

its still broken

if u get ahead its over

shes super strong in general

if u play her right

[raven osprey]

Nah I think nilah is stronger cuz she's too broken late game and has easier time ganking/doing some fights whatever than Gwen

Gwen jg is pretty much useless early game while nilah can do something even after boots/first item

[raven osprey]

Why is Fiora so low tho? I feel like she's S+ tier if picked into the right draft. I've seen quite a few high elo players carrying games with her in jg that would otherwise be lost

[balmy thorn]

probably because in 99.9% of cases the person playing Fiora hasn't played her enough to know what to do

[stark bolt]

If i remember correctly her clears garbage but if im wrong i dont mind changing it

[raven osprey]

About that one I'm not sure. I haven't played her myself so have no clue. I might true her in jg today

[left sphinx]

There is no way urgot Jg is better than Camille jg

Trash list

[raven osprey]

Based

[last fulcrum]

Khazix should be s tier bro

[stark bolt]

Ngl i feel like kha is heavy overated as a champ

[balmy thorn]

He’s kata of the jgl. Amazing into certain comps. Totally useless otherwise

[proud hound]

jinx and tristana jungle 🗣️

[drifting summit]

this has to be satire

[raven osprey]

It is

[late wind]

It’s just wrong?
I’d love for riot to update their stats but for when the post was posted

1. Hecerim
2. Talon
3. Volibear
4. Nunu
5. Olaf
6. Warwick
7. Irelia
8. Gragas
9. Zed
10. Fiddlesicks

11. Yone
12. Wukong
13. Gwen
14. Evelynn
15. Tryndamere
16. Camille
17. Xin zhao
18. Nautilus
19. Lee sin

Anything else is under 50% win rate

[stark bolt]

Dude you cant take wr 100% literal there are multiple factors that can increase or decrease a characters winrate that are external to a characters powerlevel

[late wind]

What?

I’m just giving out the actual stats those are the highest WIN RATE junglers in challenger+ Q

[stark bolt]

You literally said my tierlist was wrong because the stats disagree

But stats never are 100% truthful

[late wind]

What?

[stark bolt]

You know theres factors that can curve a champs winrate to being lower or hifher then it should

Examples difficulty placebo buffs/nerfs how many people one trick the champ

[late wind]

So when you go to your stat page and it says 49% win rate you say “nah that’s not real”

[stark bolt]

Depends on the champ yes

[late wind]

Ok

[stark bolt]

Wasnt leesin literally 49% winrate for 3 months but ever high level player called him top 2

Your clowning on me but i feel like its kinda worrying that you dont understand this

[late wind]

sigh

[stark bolt]

Idk what im wrong on?

Every top player will agree with what i just said

[late wind]

Ranked is not the same as pro play

[stark bolt]

When i say top player i mean top player in solo queue

[late wind]

Bruh you are talking to rank 1 Akali, kayn and Diana

Im not saying he’s good just based off ranked games in HIGH elo hecarim has a higher win rate then lee sin

[stark bolt]

And so does naut but if you face a good lee sin and a good naut in solo queue one feels more difficult to play against then another

Like if you ever pick up warwick he feels ok but not top 6 jungler level

[late wind]

I would agree but stats are stats

Can’t argue with the stats if one wins more they win more

And we talking high elo where people counter pick

If the champ can counter pick more they will win more

Not the same to low elo

[late wind]

Ya ended season 7

[gleaming river]

they have a point tho tbh

winrate ≠ good or bad champ

too many factors

play rate, what other champs are currently strong, etc

there are moments where certain champions rise in winrate because they're a direct counter to another champion who's items got buffed, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're top 1 on their role

tierlists at the end of the day are still all subjective to the creator, there's no clear statistics for what's meta or not just numbers you can interpret

[late wind]

WR releases the stats so we can see what champions win rates, ban rates and pick rates are

In different elos also

[stark bolt]

Dude theres literally was a time when vlad got nerfed but they forgot to write the code to nerf him and his win rate still dropped even though he wasnt changed at all

Winrate is not a reliable stat

[late wind]

#wr-media

[late wind]

And?

[late wind]

Brain dead

[late wind]

I remember something like this don’t remember the champion but the game is indeed a mental game (or could be the information of him getting “nerfed” so people look for the new meta and that meta countered him) but it doesn’t change the fact if a champion has a 50% win rate they have a 50% win rate in low elos the stat can change a lot because smurfs etc etc but that’s why I only look at chally+ because most of the time you actually wanna win and play champions you can play so the stats are good players vs good players

[stark bolt]

Idk why you dont understand that stats by themselfs dont mean anything you need critical analysis to interpret what the stats mean

Like anytime league releases a new champ there stats are always low and gradually increase but by your analysis youd just call every new champ bad

[late wind]

^ makes 0 sense

[stark bolt]

Ok do you agree when a champ comes out that there winrate is usually lower and slowly rises the more people play the champ

[late wind]

Stats don’t change based off what you think just like 2+2=4 even tho you don’t think it does

[late wind]

I’m guessing you are talking about how people learn then champion overtime but I’m not talking low elo people in high elo have basic understanding of champions and can pick them up much faster we also test before using the champion not saying people don’t get better but meta is meta stats will change based off that

[stark bolt]

Yes but high elo players are still humans and will require some time before getting used to a champ especially if there hard to pick up

[late wind]

And stats will reflect that but the game changes you are always learning optimal plays become not optimal with a 1 ad nerf just like how the 4 AD nerf for kindred made her invade much slower to the point most junglers now have tame to rotate red to blue before she takes it now

[stark bolt]

you just agreed that stats varied based on difficulty of a champ

Even in high elo

[old lily]

How do you counter mundo bro is so tough

[still raptor]

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[proud hound]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[balmy thorn]

they need to add a ministun item

just to proc mundos passive

[balmy thorn]

does that proc his passive

maybe if they upped the cd on it too it's activating like five times a fight

[left sphinx]

I agree that you cannot judge champions on win rate alone. Win rate analysis needs to come with context.

[left sphinx]

Guh uhhhhh nasus

Nasus work 4 me

Just farm until u have say mmmmmm

50 stack

Thenif they try n solo dive just kill em

Out heal

Wait 4 the ult n pop ur own

Ez

[still raptor]

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[rich thicket]

what happened to him though? wasnt he s+ a few months back? they just took away his heal from the first ability

[celest girder]

No cmon

Against wukong if yk what you are doing i believe he isn’t as strong as top 10

[hybrid bay]

good wukongs are an absolute menace in soloq

I keep seeing veigar ult his clone

[hybrid bay]

DS and other "max health" dmg type items

[frank wren]

that maybe happens in plastic elo

face checking isn't that important

people camp in bushes very rarely

i played vs a wu yesterday and ok the dmg was pretty big in the early game but later he couldnt do much

stop telling everyone that wu is super strong cuz its simply not right

[frank wren]

show me u playing wu in gm and ur scores then

lets see the wukong 1vs9 carry

[hybrid bay]

my biggest issue with op's tier list is the missing blitzcrank jg

[frank wren]

dont suggest something if u cant back it up with some kind of data

i can say that jhin jungle is op

can gank from the jungle, can carry, can check bushes with e and w

does that mean that hes op? no

[balmy thorn]

i mean i got wrecked to a jhin jgl

his name was "jhin has smite"

and the dude only played jhin jgl

[frank wren]

go play jhin jg rn

and send me the results

[frank wren]

u keep saying how strong he is but u aint even playing him

and if u are u clearly aint doing good cuz u would prolly show me u carrying with pride

then show me ur games

on wukong

lets see

i dont see a single person playing him in my games

if a champ is super good in chall sov it doesnt mean hes also that strong in lower elo

which means he aint super strong

cuz ur opinions are simply wrong most of the times

and it hurts my eyes

did u check the wiki or not yet?

what is ur reliable source pal

what does Yasuo being an assassin have to do with winrates

speak more clearly mate

im glad we both agree

[balmy thorn]

Man whys it so hostile in here

Who gives a diddle

[hybrid bay]

I don't see annie jg on that tier list, can you fix it?

[cedar verge]

evelynn is always S+ if you know how to play her

[hybrid bay]

also if the other team doesn't know how to play against her

but I welcome any Eve tips as she's tons of fun to play

I just don't get the same mileage out of her as I do from other jgs

[cedar verge]

i used to be otp evelynn

shes just full clear and gank free kill

dont get caught

on repeat

[pseudo thistle]

khazix should be s tier about his dmg in this current patch same with aatrox and shen jungle is just shit rn

[stark bolt]

Bro this tierlist is 5 months old

[pseudo thistle]

he had that much dmg then xd

[hexed gazelle]

Where's Ashe?

[supple schooner]

Panth is doodoo

Mundo not doodoo but doodoo jgl

[stable hatch]

? Shen JG is not shit

[pseudo thistle]

rn it sucks xd

[frank wren]

shen jg is good af

maybe he shouldnt be that high

but he still strong

[stable hatch]

I don't agree with like more than half of the list but shen should easily be A+

[left sphinx]

ekko where??

[hybrid bay]

annie where???

[hexed gazelle]

I feel like Olaf should be pretty high on that tier list.

[hybrid bay]

haven't enjoyed Olaf since his kit got reworked

maybe I need to try again

[stark bolt]

Guys again this is 5 months old wtf

This was pre olaf buffs

[hexed gazelle]

You will forever be held to this tier list, regardless of updates. So I declare. It is decided.

Ping me when you do. I would also like to add my input.

[dim ginkgo]

nah wukong got nerfed

[dim ginkgo]

hey just saw this, wukong got nerfed into oblivion hes no longer good mate. When are you making the new tier list XD. ALso viego s+

[frank wren]

😂

[hexed gazelle]

I mean, the fact that his clone does more than just stand or attack in place and copy abilities, but now moves, makes it significantly better. There is much more bamboozling to be done.

That being said, I've never had much luck with Wukong dealing any real damage. Wouldn't be my top pick.

[cedar verge]

do people play crit viego in wr?

[hexed gazelle]

Do people play Viego in WR?

[cedar verge]

idk

on pc hes really popular

[hexed gazelle]

I've seen a few good ones, tbh. But once you see his miasma it's pretty easy to just back off so I've never been ganked by one.

[stable hatch]

Viego s tier, crit viego is one of his best builds

[cedar verge]

crit viego on pc is giga troll lmfao

[stable hatch]

[dim ginkgo]

But I dont wanna play assassin. I wanna play bruiser jg 😭. Gimme back my immortal wukong build.

[dim ginkgo]

if they add a little more base AD and like 100 more base HP he'd be fine, or ojust do what they had on pc at one point. Make his nimbus strike deal ap iirc, or make it adaptive.

[hybrid bay]

I think the two new items are really going to impact bruisers across the board

[dim ginkgo]

found a build that works (it deals hybrid/magic damage because otherwise you aren't killing shit)

[hybrid bay]

wellllll?? we're waiting 😅

[dim ginkgo]

Oh lol

Lemme send it

[gleaming river]

plsss the way they still didn't send it 😭

we love the gatekeeping

[hybrid bay]

it's the server permissions lol

he @'d me at #wr-media

I tried posting an image here but I can't... I can't even link to the message smh

[balmy thorn]

please update this list

for 5.2

where is yuumi

[hybrid bay]

where is annie

[elder adder]

Noone going to point out theres not only no god tier for viego he didn’t even make the list at all? Also mundo above 3rd tier is a joke in and of itself as is alot of the list in general

[stable hatch]

Because viego wasn't released in 5.0

[left sphinx]

Jax SSS tier now

[hybrid bay]

what is your build?

I miss jax stacking his passive in jg camps

[left sphinx]

Either Triforce into full bruiser items

Or attack speed boots into Ap items

Ap is the op build

But you can only use it if there’s less than 2 Ap champs in your team

[midnight ermine]

Master yi A+

[jolly thunder]

Real

[dim ginkgo]

Mundo is still S tier what are you on about?

[balmy thorn]

I cannot. Are you willing to teach me? Pay starts at 5.99$ / hr

[weary raft]

Kayle C?

[stark bolt]

I might have to play this game again just so i can update this tierlist lol

[weary raft]

Wdym?

[static axle]

Would 100% remove pyke and galio from jungle role.
Pyke was jungler once because his skill damage actually gave him fast clear but after nerfs he can’t be played there anymore.
Idk why galio is even on this tier list.
He is mid af in every role atm and 100% shouldn’t be a jungler.
Honestly I have never seen Jayce jungle so far so that would be smth I would have to look into first

[gleaming river]

it's an old tierlist from 5.0 patch lmao

[weary raft]

And? Kayle has always been good in the jng

[stark bolt]

Cap

[weary raft]

💀

[stark bolt]

Champ has a horrible clear bad ganks and is easy to invade just a worse kindred

[weary raft]

If u say so

[stable hatch]

?

bro just saying anything now

[weary raft]

If you're bad yeah, I always take rift nomatter what jungler I play

[stable hatch]

rift is useless now

[weary raft]

I don't build rift on her

Even if you invade I still carry

Ahh the mad kayns graves and mundos perma invading me

Yall delulu

What do you play jng

[stable hatch]

The herald bro

[weary raft]

I will still call it rift

[stable hatch]

yeah xd from this sentence alone @naive lily

I bought you another present vas

[weary raft]

What?

[naive lily]

Goodluck

Facing someone

Who knows every bits

Of wave knowledge

[weary raft]

Wave management while we're talking about jungler?

[naive lily]

Wave knowledge is also a jungle knowledge check??? Literally becomes one reason why some lanes becomes gankable

[weary raft]

Yeah ik? But what does that have to do anything with what we were talking about

[naive lily]

Ahhh

Shes bad though

Discussing invades while using kayle?

[weary raft]

Are you slow

Like fr

[naive lily]

I thought using

I was gonna say some words need to get taken out of the sentence lmao

[weary raft]

💀

[naive lily]

Kinda

[weary raft]

Xd same

[naive lily]

You're on another whole level

[weary raft]

Still not slower than you

[bright notch]

urgot way better than fizz in jungle, i’m at 65% wr urgot jungle

[static axle]

Kayles best role is trash can

[weary raft]

Probably got shit on by some kayle main

[static axle]

100% not, its just that she isnt really good compared to other jungle options

[stark bolt]

No disrespect but if multiple gm and chall players are telling you kayles bad maybe kayles just bad

Like yeah in low elo she gets to scale but in high elo she just gets camped and never gets to hit her power spike

[gleaming river]

the real deal is lulu jungle

[subtle furnace]

we updating the tierlist picture?

[cedar verge]

i like your bg picture

[mossy berry]

My bad

[balmy thorn]

Lol

[zenith crow]

Shen jg is an odd choice to be in s teir

Also fyi twitch jg goes in d-f teir

Man should not be a jg

[balmy thorn]

Fr was that you?

[mossy berry]

Yeah I'm the only Jhin has smite there is lol

I have 6 accounts with that username and another 40 accounts that have Jhin related names

[balmy thorn]

Jesus

[low harbor]

He's my duo lmfao

[mossy berry]

Lmao yup

[gleaming river]

this was posted like last year 😭

[zenith crow]

Yeah just noticed

And for some reason it says it was posted recently on my end

[left sphinx]

I main Renekton Jungle lol

[left sphinx]

Same