Germany need a new mouse

[round trellis]

Hi I search for a new mouse after my Corsair Gaming Sabre RGB Pro broke after 3 years of usage. It still is available for €52.90, so I wanted to ask for a good mouse, that shouldn't be too expensive or if there are no better options if it still is the best option for me. And I had a lot of mice before that did break after a year or a few months. And I liked how the Corsair Mouse did fit into my hand

Game: At the moment Horizon Forbidden west, story games, minecraft and sometimes FPS games
Hand Preference: Right
Budget: Around €50 but I can use €100 or more, if it makes sense and the mouse would stay longer with me, and it really is worth the money
Hand Size: 16.5 cm x 9.5cm
Grip: Palm
Weight: Light / medium, best if under 80 or even 75 gram
Sensitivity: 700 DPI (everywhere)
Connectivity: No Preference
Company: I don't want to go with Razer, that is all

I also already looked at some mice, including the Lamzu Thorn 4K Wireless. And I am not sure with it, once because I want a mouse that holds long and I don't know how long this mouse does last, and because it costs 120€, and I am not sure if it is worth to spend that much money on a mouse, if a 50€ was fine for me. I also use the Logitech G703 Lightspeed at the moment, but I need that mouse for other things and it doesn't fit well in my hand

[cloud aspen]

Lamzu thorn/zaopin z2/vgn dragonfly moba

[round trellis]

I think the zaopin z2 doesn't have a lot of seller here in Germany
And why exactly those mice?
What will the difference be

[vagrant saffron]

corsair mice kinda suck

none of them are really good except for maybe the katar which coyuld be considerd decent

ok im looking at the sabre

[round trellis]

Well it worked for 3 years, which I would say isn't to bad
But also why I think about getting a new one. I would just like to know, what the actual difference is

[vagrant saffron]

difference between?

[round trellis]

Oh I have / had this one
It broke this week

[round trellis]

What kind of advantage I would get with a different mouse
And how much it would really help to spend more money

[vagrant saffron]

no as in im looking at the sabre which you had and comparing it to good mice that might be similar in shape

better build quality

better sensor

[round trellis]

oh ok that would be nice

[vagrant saffron]

better buttons that are also way more resistent to double clicking issues

wireless

way lighter (usually)

there are still budget mice

which do actually keep up with the expensive brands like zowie vaxee lamzu razer etc.

[round trellis]

I don't need wireless
I don't care if there is a wire or not

[vagrant saffron]

well 90% of good mice in 2023 have wireless

[round trellis]

yeah I have kinda realised that too
But just to be clear

[vagrant saffron]

without any delay either its 4khz polling which is def better than anything from corsair

[round trellis]

yeah fair enough

[vagrant saffron]

for germany

i think the best websites to check are

aliexpress

mechkeys

and see if maxgaming supports shipping there too

looking at the sabre once again it looks like a soft ergo shape forpalm with a flat left side

[round trellis]

i often use a comparision side, that shows me a lot of different prices from different shops, not including aliexpress and more reputable shops

[vagrant saffron]

im saying

closest in shape to a sabre is a waizowl ogm pro

and the zaopin z2 in second

[round trellis]

I mean if needed I can just order something and send it back if I don't like it

At least for a in German shop
Idk how it is with stuff like AliExpress

[vagrant saffron]

aliexpress is THE place where the best budget mice are available

its like amazon but the shipping takes like 2-3 weeks

[round trellis]

Yeah but also support is probably worse
And I would be willing to pay a bit more for a shop where I get good support and quick delivery and quick take back
Like I mostly look here (I hope it is ok that I send the link) https://geizhals.de
But it is German so hard to look if you can't speak German
Also because I don't really trust places like AliExpress, if I don't have to order from there

[vagrant saffron]

thorn is also def up there too, would not recommend a dragonfly

[round trellis]

but do you think the Thorn is worth the extra price?
If yes what would the extra money really give me?

[vagrant saffron]

if overpay is ok for you then check mechkeys

[vagrant saffron]

i have a corsair dark core and a lamzu thorn if you want me to compare those 2

[round trellis]

I mean wouldn't hurt and probably give me more information
So yeah would be nice

[round trellis]

A specific one of those or just any?

[vagrant saffron]

mechkeys is a website

[round trellis]

I know

I have it open. But there are different options

[vagrant saffron]

"a specific one"

i might be misubnderstanding something

[round trellis]

I meant a specific mouse

[vagrant saffron]

waizowl oigm pro

or the feather version if you want to pay more for a lighter mouse

[round trellis]

Ok thank you will look into it

But I see it also costs about as much as the Thorn

[vagrant saffron]

thorn is overall a better mouse but the shape of the ogm pro is much more similar to the sabre

at least comparing the 3 mice side by side

[round trellis]

I can also just try the Thorn, if it is a better mouse

[vagrant saffron]

very similar in quality

ok i took out the corsair dark core from the deep end

the basket of tech i dont use

first thign i notice is that the thorn is much lighter

52g compared to over 100 i think on the dark core

[round trellis]

Oh yeah have one of those too
always fun

[vagrant saffron]

add the difference in quality on the skates and holy shit the thorn is much easier to move around

[round trellis]

yeah I already notice the difference between 95 and 75 on my corsair (the one I use at the moment is 95g

[vagrant saffron]

corsair uses the same black plastic feet as the old logitech mice

these feet suck DICK i hate them

theyre insanely slow

basically any mouse these days should be using ptfe stock

taken from a mastersheet made by stubbyfps on yt

[round trellis]

That is very interesting

[round trellis]

Thank you for the source

[vagrant saffron]

compare this to literally any aftermarkets

next up

the coating

the coating on the cicks of the dark core is very meh

slippy

but the actuall rubber on the palm that touches your palm isnt bad

the thorn coating feels similar to a ping pong ball

im not the biggest fan of it

but ik people who LOOOOOVE this coating

https://youtu.be/m_WkD-bOgYs?si=71BATajIJ22CIkOB&t=325

5:25

[round trellis]

Very interesting
Don't know if I like that

[vagrant saffron]

if you have sweaty hands

this coating is S+++

i tried it i got my hands damp and used this

feels amazing

fortunately i dont have sweaty hands

[round trellis]

That is good to know
Don't think I need it that much but wouldn't hurt

[vagrant saffron]

sensors now

https://sensor.fyi/sensors/

sensors ranked

lamzu thorn uses a custom version of the paw 3395

loogitech uses their own special sensor made to compete with the 3395 the hero 2 which is iirc about the same in quality

razer uses a modified early version of the paw 3395

the sensor used by corsair on the dark core is so outdated its not on the list

[round trellis]

Yeah I didn't plan on going with Razer either way
Had 3 mice of them
Broke all winin a few months (had the same one, because first I thought eh just happens can go another one and third was because I just got the money for their shop)

[vagrant saffron]

razer was deep down bad

dav3 and viper v2 saved them istg

[round trellis]

ok that is good to know
But yeah they always felt like apple from mice

[vagrant saffron]

next up

switches

ok i checked the dark core uses omron 50 mills

uhh

these do NOT last 50 million clicks

the implimentation of these is also off

omrons are known to be light but not snappy at all it feels like

[round trellis]

The website I use says 90 Million clicks

[vagrant saffron]

both are bs numbers lmao

[round trellis]

yeah 100%

[vagrant saffron]

thorn uses raesha opticals idk if theyre custom made for lamzu or not

they feel 6/10 in my opinion

way lighter

snappier

but the sound of opticals kinda is ehhhhh

also bc these are opticals they will NOT fucking break

nor will they double click

i still wish the thorn used huano blue shell pink dots like every other lamzu mouse those were a 9/10

[round trellis]

Ok if they have a less likeliness of breaking it could be worth for me

[round trellis]

interesting

[vagrant saffron]

also the side buttons are actual switches

that make a click sound

way lighter than the ones on the dark core and way snappier and blah blah blah

[round trellis]

aren't most just buttons?
I swear the one on my corair mouse are normal buttons

[vagrant saffron]

yeah bc those are from corsair

[vagrant saffron]

most modern mice are using genuine mouse switches

[round trellis]

ok you confused me for a second
Which one doesn't have actual buttons?

[vagrant saffron]

and special encoders

[round trellis]

oh intereting

[vagrant saffron]

ignore the filthy mousepad

and my voice

[round trellis]

yeah yeah don't worry is fine. Mousepads get like that
Nothing wrong with your voice either

But thank you for the video

[vagrant saffron]

another thing

other things that are simply higher quality include the scroll wheel

thank you lamzu

your engineering blows me away

yeah ik death gripping mice isnt how youre actually using them ingame or whatever

but it does show kinda how they will be affected over time

[round trellis]

bet there are some gamer that would use it like that

But yeah fair enough

[vagrant saffron]

type shit

[vagrant saffron]

yeah like these qualities from the thorn also translate over to most modern mice

[round trellis]

fair enough

[round trellis]

ok so I guess it will probably last longer than my corsair mouse

[cloud aspen]

@vagrant saffron do u recommend lamzu thorn if my hand size 17.5x9 cm?

[vagrant saffron]

for palm yeah

maybe check out other options too though

(xlite v3/mini)

[cloud aspen]

Im using x7 a4tech yeknow and i feel comfy with claw

[vagrant saffron]

x77?

[cloud aspen]

Yess

[vagrant saffron]

one of the most unique shapes fs

looks like an fk1 if it was an egg shape

dear god

[round trellis]

What in the Apple

[cloud aspen]

Yeah but i wanna try ergo mouses so much cuz I never use this

[vagrant saffron]

for ergo mice uhhhhhhhh

depends if you wanna go relaxed claw or full on palm

even then i dont really know if you should pick this over an xlite or not

ec clone or no ec clone

[vagrant saffron]

oh thats not the mouse i was referncing with this but alright

[vagrant saffron]

this looks like aggressive claw

that back flare reminds me of the zowie u2

but the closest i would get to recommending ergo mice for this aggressive of claw

is probably a vaxee np-01/01s

budget option incott g hero

very new mouse

but from what i seen on twitter it looks like a banger

shape between an np-01 and np-01s

[vagrant saffron]

https://youtu.be/r5Y7EculNCU?si=YhylK353G5gxLfZ8 this is literally the only review i found on yt

[cloud aspen]

Expensive for me (

[vagrant saffron]

g hero from incott

[cloud aspen]

Is this wireless?

[vagrant saffron]

8khz wireless

💀

[cloud aspen]

Oke oke

[round trellis]

Also update
Got the Thron today
It fits my hand well
Thanks for the help

[vagrant saffron]

yeye another satisfied customer

[round trellis]

also another question
Do you think using the mouse is fine to use on 1000Hz?
Because I read that the battery improves a lot while having it on 1000Hz
And at least from what I felt with the old mouse there wasn't big of a difference

[oblique stirrup]

1000 hz works perfectly fine for everything

won’t really make too much of a difference going up to 2k unless you@play highlevel fast paced shooters

[vagrant saffron]

yeah

usually for lamzu mice i recommend the 4khz dongle

not because its much of an improvement

but just bc lamzu dongles are so cheap

personally i use 2khz on my thorn

[round trellis]

ok that is good to know thank you both for the respons. I wasn't really happy with the battery life otherwise

[round trellis]

Used that for now too

[vagrant saffron]

yeah thorn battery is kinda shite

[round trellis]

yeah I realised

[vagrant saffron]

my fault

shouldve mentioned

[round trellis]

is fine don't worry