What are the best wired mice out there? In terms of quality, specifications and performance. I have noticed that my old wired Razer DeathAdder V2 is noticeably more responsive compared to my recently acquired Darmoshark M3S Pro (unwired with 1K polling rate). I think wired gaming mice are not only more budget friendly than wireless mice, but they are actually better than wireless mice in terms of performance!
#What are the best wired mice out there (wireless mice are overhyped)?
wind tendon
The XM1 appears to be a fierce contender!
@warped walrus sorry to @ you, interested on your take.
warped walrus
the deathadder v3 pro has incredible specs
wind tendon
What are the best wired mice out there (wireless mice are overhyped)?
warped walrus
and your experience with wireless mice is weird
because the m3s pro has very low latency
wind tendon
@warped walrus how so? The difference is ridiculously noticeable to me.
Makes me want to sell my Darmoshark ASAP.
warped walrus
yours has gotta be faulty or something
wind tendon
@warped walrus do a test, use a wired versus wireless gaming mouse for one day, you may never switch back!
warped walrus
I have, wireless is no different for me
wind tendon
@warped walrus it's just physics, electricity travels much faster through a conductor, rather than radio waves going through air, I believe, could be wrong
warped walrus
what are the settings on your m3s pro?
wind tendon
I dunno, just put on 1K polling rate
And DPI on slowest setting
Response of wired mouse is instant
Wireless mouse feels sloppy and lags behind
warped walrus
make sure the m3s is on HP mode
wind tendon
What's that?
warped walrus
maybe darmoshark calls it game mode or esports mode in their software?
it makes the sensor perform better
wind tendon
Pretty sure it is
warped walrus
that's weird as fuck
wind tendon
@warped walrus the difference to a inexperienced person is minimal
but to me it's like milliseconds but it feels huge
Like I am telling you try a wired gaming mouse for a day if it is not an inconvenience @warped walrus
I don't think it's unique to my M3S
hmmm
genuinely curious
Surprised wired verse wireless has not been tested out rigrouressly or discussed here before
warped walrus
@raven bolt sorry for the ping but you know a lot about this topic, what are your thoughts on this?
warped walrus
Surprised wired verse wireless has not been tested out rigrouressly or discussed...
people do test motion latency and wireless mice aren't really worse (especially a 4k darmoshark mouse)
wind tendon
What a name 😂
raven bolt
that's weird as fuck
I mean if there's issues high power mode wont fix shit anyways lol
wind tendon
@warped walrus I was told unpolitely that 4K is barely diff to 1K
warped walrus
<@701983861546024990> I was told unpolitely that 4K is barely diff to 1K
optimum fan told you that lol
wind tendon
Yes
raven bolt
at least on 1000hz high power mode is genuinely more inconsequential than motionsync
wind tendon
Optimum is cringe as hell
warped walrus
at least on 1000hz high power mode is genuinely more inconsequential than motion...
fair, but what do you think his issue is?
wind tendon
Signal needs to be transmitted through the air, and transduced
raven bolt
fuckin idk wireless has like 349857349857349 variables
raven bolt
(it's not)
warped walrus
he is saying that wireless mice in general are worse
wind tendon
(it's not)
you can't rule that out without experimenting
plus i am pretty sure that's generally accepted
warped walrus
people have experimented
raven bolt
wired vs wireless latency on almost every single wireless mouse is <1ms difference
lol
wind tendon
wired vs wireless latency on almost every single wireless mouse is <1ms differen...
there is a good chance you are right
tomorrow i will use my brother's darmoshark
and see how it feels
on his computer
maybe it's my laptops usb socket or sum shiet
raven bolt
main issue you run into with wireless is how the firmware handles lost data packets
warped walrus
is your dongle close to your mouse?
wind tendon
main issue you run into with wireless is how the firmware handles lost data pack...
how do we mitigate this?
warped walrus
if you still don't notice a difference when using your brother's then maybe buy the 4k dongle and give it a try
wind tendon
@warped walrus @raven bolt thanks 4 the advice fellas
@warped walrus probs won't be able to afford it
raven bolt
how do we mitigate this?
receiver connected to an extension cable
as close to mouse as possible
as far away from system as possible
wind tendon
as far away from system as possible
Wdym by 'system'?
warped walrus
yeah its separate, he is talking about your dongle
warped walrus
Wdym by 'system'?
pc
wind tendon
So you are saying plug in the wire to my laptop
Unravel it extend it as far as possible from my laptop
then put wireless 'dongle' on wire adapter thingo
then put that closest to darmoshark
i presume
warped walrus
yes
wind tendon
If i unravel the wire fully the mouse will be too far from my laptop won't it?
Put I am basically doing that minus the away from system part
warped walrus
you don't need to unravel it fully really, the dongle just should be closer to your mouse than your system always
warped walrus
btw you could try the m3s in wired mode and test if that fixes your issue
warped walrus
ok gn
wind tendon
GN
Curious to see if i will get wired mouse suggestions tomorrow never heard of any good ones
ceya
bleak glade
<@701983861546024990> it's just physics, electricity travels much faster through...
radio waves travel at the speed of light
wind tendon
@bleak glade and just like the speed of light it depends on the medium it is travelling in, but I would be curious to know more
Plus the signal needs to be transduced in wireless mouse
bleak glade
you know that even in water the speed of light is 0.999c?
wind tendon
Just because radio waves are a type of electromagnetic radiation doesn’t mean electricity being conducted nearly instantaneously along a wire isn’t faster!
But point noted radio waves are fricken fast
bleak glade
it's lightspeed, radio waves are literally the fastest thing in the world
motion delay of the M3S Varun vs G403 wired
wind tendon
it's lightspeed, radio waves are literally the fastest thing in the world
You can make objects travel faster than light by slowing light down in a medium and accelerating particles
So I know it’s not as simple as wireless faster because radio waves
bleak glade
no, you said electrons in a wired are faster than radio waves which is not true. That's what I wanted to clarify
wind tendon
What’s that graph btw?
wind tendon
no, you said electrons in a wired are faster than radio waves which is not true....
Not explicitly but perhaps they are that is what dr Google who is not very reputable is hinting at when it comes to wired versus wireless mice
bleak glade
wired vs wireless is not about the speed of the signal
wind tendon
I am speaking out my bum, I do not have a degree in the physical sciences
@bleak glade that is what Google seems to be suggesting how quickly the signal goes from a to b and how quickly is is interpreted or transmitted
@bleak glade also Google says wired mice are faster as a general rule
No idea why though
Signal transduction does make sense
Doesn’t occur in wired mice whereas signal must be transmitted from air into electrical signal in wireless mice
That’s all I can understand tbh
sweet obsidian
ur tripping lol
bleak glade
okay I think you're just using the wrong vocab w/ transduction and transmitting
wind tendon
Nah it’s called signal transduction in engineering and science I am almost certain
wind tendon
i use both wired and wireless mice interchangably
Thanks for the input I’ll do more tests tomorrow
bleak glade
in science sure for biology
want to point out that the M3S Pro at 2khz and 4khz are faster than wired 1khz mice
the M3 4k results at 2khz
wind tendon
want to point out that the M3S Pro at 2khz and 4khz are faster than wired 1khz m...
That’s sick really?
bleak glade
yes
wind tendon
Definitely not my experience
bleak glade
almost the entire point of 4khz polling rate is to get the wireless mice faster than the wired one
wind tendon
I am using 1K version though
bleak glade
not all wired mice are faster than wireless anyways
if you have some motion delay there might be signal interference
which plays more into latency because the signal packets are getting lost
like other wireless devices, microwaves, too much wifi, bluetooth, etc.
wind tendon
if you have some motion delay there might be signal interference
Wireless mice have to deal with interference, battery, which is exacerbated with high higher polling rates, all to even keep up with wired mice
wind tendon
Yeah not underrated in general
wind tendon
@bleak glade really I couldn’t find a single thread about wired mice
bleak glade
thread?
wind tendon
About which ones are the best
bleak glade
? make one then
There are so many wired Viper Mini and Deathadder users in this server...
warped walrus
most people want wireless these days
bleak glade
it's like asking why people use wireless headphones
wind tendon
@bleak glade that’s what this thread is lol
bleak glade
when wired is better
wind tendon
it's like asking why people use wireless headphones
Hell no
Latency doesn’t matter nearly as much
warped walrus
it's like asking why people use wireless headphones
I feel like that's different
wind tendon
Yeah it’s so diff
bleak glade
wireless headphone latency is far worse than mice
bleak glade
people still use it because it gives you freedom of movement
wind tendon
Not about reaction time
bleak glade
Song is continuous signal
mice are also continuous signals
warped walrus
people still use it because it gives you freedom of movement
true
wind tendon
Yes I see that
wind tendon
But my death adder is so much better
bleak glade
and in 2023 we have $30 wireless mice that are just as fast as wired versions
wind tendon
Even with wire
warped walrus
I think its in your head tbh
wind tendon
Not in Australia
wind tendon
I think its in your head tbh
You could be right
warped walrus
or you have a legitimate interference issue
wind tendon
But I genuinely and unfortunately don’t think so
I think it’s a real issue
Or you guys have become acclimated to wireless
But my aim is way more consistent with wired and tracking feels significantly easier
With wireless mouse I have delay so I have to predict my own movement ahead of time 😭😭😭
I genuinely want wireless to be good without this annoying af wire in the way
But at the moment wireless is looking flawed atm but my experience doesn’t necessarily extrapolate to everyone else’s
Maybe we need actually rigorous statistical tests on this shiet!!!!
But anyway hopefully you all can recommend some decent wired mice, their prices looking nice too
bleak glade
all the really good wired mice aren't even that cheap
wind tendon
I’m glad you all dislike YouTubers like Optimus too 🤣🤣
wind tendon
all the really good wired mice aren't even that cheap
In general especially here in Australia all the wired mice iterations are cheaper than their wireless counterparts
bleak glade
ofc wired is cheaper than wireless
wind tendon
Looking dim for my Darmoshark 😭😭😭
sweet obsidian
oof
wind tendon
So it’s looking like a huge L
Plus for $40 USD which is like $70 here the wired mouse would smoke a wireless one by the looks of it
But again I can’t talk cause haven’t tried $90 4K mice
wind tendon
An example of them in general or them outperforming wireless mice?
bleak glade
cheaper and outperforming
wind tendon
Well I did, the Razer death adder v2 an old one at that!
Outperforming my brand new Darmoshark
bleak glade
Deathadder V2 cost more than the Darmoshark M3S
wind tendon
Not here man
sweet obsidian
you got a bad copy
wind tendon
M3S pro
sweet obsidian
you dont know what ur talking about
wind tendon
@sweet obsidian maybe I’m hoping so tbh
wind tendon
But that just makes Darmoshark look bad
sweet obsidian
but theres a reason most people use wireless
bleak glade
V2 uses a 3399, a precusor to the 3395, literally just plug in the Darmoshark and it's the same speed
look bad lol
can't run the V2 wirelessly
can't pick it up more than 3ft
wind tendon
Yeah but then what’s the point of the Darmoshark it just becomes wired 🤣🤣
wind tendon
can't pick it up more than 3ft
Dude it has too much wire
Idk why they put so much damn wire in
I’m not gonna use my mice 3 m apart from my laptop 🤣🤣🤣
bleak glade
should have just bought the Deathadder V2 x hyperspeed or pro
wind tendon
For 2x the price and potentially worse performance
Plus the Darmoshark is better no?
Yeah nah I think I’ll see what going on tomorrow
And see if I was wrong
I got to go to bed boys nice talking to ya
Thanks a lot though
I learned some stuff
I’m routing for the Darmoshark, but she’s making it hard 4 me
bleak glade
just sell it/return it
modest marsh
<@701983861546024990> it's just physics, electricity travels much faster through...
Not true. Radio waves travel at the speed of light.
Electricity does as well.
wind tendon
Not true. Radio waves travel at the speed of light.
Yes we already established that, but that is through a vacuum presumably
At the end of the day, wired mice are faster in general and cheaper, hence some wired mice suggestion would be interesting
wind tendon
just sell it/return it
Rip I might have to
@bleak glade is the Darmoshark wired going to contend with wired-only mice? Like the one I mentioned in the post?
Cause if it is good wired I have a chance to keep it
I’ve been told pulse fire haste is really good
Final consensus: use Darmoshark wired
Or next time but dedicated wired mouse
wind tendon
Esports mode seemed to improve the performance
warped walrus
Esports mode seemed to improve the performance
nice
wind tendon
but still worse than wired
@warped walrus yo peppa if you have 4K receiver can you use it wired?
bleak glade
Think about that statement
warped walrus
<@701983861546024990> yo peppa if you have 4K receiver can you use it wired?
no lol
modest marsh
At the end of the day, wired mice are faster in general and cheaper, hence some ...
They're not always faster. Even the fastest ones are only faster by an incredibly small amount. I mean, less than a millisecond faster.
wind tendon
Think about that statement
Yeah lol now I know, but I was thinking that the mouse had an inbuilt 4K signal ‘emitter’ which if connected to the computer by a wire would need a receiver something along those lines
If razer can do it so can darmo
fringe siren
I love my wired dav3. Unfortunately finding a replacement that has a better fingertip grip shape has been tricky
Viper v2 pro or m3k PCB/mod are my closest replacements I’ve been working with lately
I don’t have the 4k dongle for the v2 pro yet (ordered but not received) and the m3k PCB won’t come out for a couple months.
I always really enjoyed the wired nature of the dav3 cuz wire didn’t bother me (monitor stand is built in bungee) and never having it die, never having to plug in to charge, and ideal latency has always been enjoyable
bleak glade
did you see the new Keychron M4
fringe siren
Yeah lol
I can’t imagine that things latency is anywhere close to proper gaming mice
Maybe I’m tripping
bleak glade
wym
fringe siren
Shape looks nice tho
bleak glade
4khz poling rate Pixart 3395 sensor...
fringe siren
Are all 3395 perform equal?
Seems like implementation matters almost as much as the sensor itself
bleak glade
even the worst implementation of 4khz is better than most wired 1khz mice
fringe siren
4k wired has been the nicest mouse experience I’ve had yet
But my experience is also limited
bleak glade
okay, wired 8khz is objectively the best experience but
fringe siren
Yeah 8k I had some trouble in some games
bleak glade
you're talking about 0.125ms difference
bleak glade
the worst performance (Compx) is almost 0.9ms ahead in motion latency from a wired G403
fringe siren
FWIW I’m not arguing wireless are obsolete
They’re obviously very competitive
I just enjoyed my wired dav3 experience
And I haven’t noticed a marketed difference between 1k wireless/4k wired. But the 4k wired definitely felt slightly smoother/better. Albeit potentially placebo
fringe siren
did you see the new Keychron M4
It already launched and sold out I guess?
bleak glade
I don't think it's launched yet
it's using a Nordic 52840 so same as all the rest of the wireless 4khz/8khz
wind tendon
I love my wired dav3. Unfortunately finding a replacement that has a better fing...
Thanks for the suggestion
wind tendon
I always really enjoyed the wired nature of the dav3 cuz wire didn’t bother me (...
Yeah I can’t play games with wired mice at all know unfortunately, they are so behind in terms of consistency and latency
fringe siren
Wireless*
wind tendon
Yeah that’s what I meant
wind tendon
Wireless*
I am willing to bet once I get a 4K receiver for the Darmoshark the wired mode will still be better
I just have that feeing
Spidey senses
God I wish I had 4K polling on the Darmoshark wired
Is the dav3 4K?
wind tendon
Dammmm
Tots jealous rn
So is the razer v3
What about the pulsar wired mouse
Oh shit just realised the dav3 is the deathadder
@fringe siren do you reckon I should sell a wired Darmoshark m3s pro with 1K polling for a dav3?
wind tendon
@fringe siren I don’t have both of them so I dunno
I’ve been told 4K or 8k really don’t make much of a difference
leaden fractal
I’ve been told 4K or 8k really don’t make much of a difference
On paper its a big difference but you're not gonna notice the difference - you can feel the difference between 1k and 4k, for mice that support it, but by and large you won't notice 4k to 8k
Also I was reading up on the thread and tbh you can look up the latency numbers, in some cases wireless is genuinely faster than wired
You can have wired as a personal preference whether it be cheaper, or you don't have to charge it, but saying all wired mice are blanketly better than wireless for latency is objectively wrong. It could be the case for your specific system, if you've got outdated drivers, conflicting software or an overloaded CPU
But unless u got a bad unit it's unlikely to be the mouse
wind tendon
@leaden fractal "all wired mice are blanketly better than wireless for latency" never said this, I said in general
Also, my darmoshark driver is newest one
also cpu isn't overloaded
i dont think
the unit works fine
it's just inheritently more latent compared to when it is wired
modest marsh
<@362482444365987850> "all wired mice are blanketly better than wireless for lat...
Quote: "they are actually better than wireless mice in terms of performance". This is not the case most of the time.
fringe siren
Yeah quit making weird statements and just say “I prefer wired mice”. You don’t have to justify to anyone. That’s fine lol
wind tendon
Quote: "they are actually better than wireless mice in terms of performance". Th...
"This is not the case most of the time." that is not substantiated, also that quote is out of context, I was speaking colloquially, but I did make it clear I was talking about a general trend.
wind tendon
Yeah quit making weird statements and just say “I prefer wired mice”. You don’t ...
Apparently saying wired mice perform better in general is a weird statement, now? TF
fringe siren
You’re taking opinions and stating them as fact. Weird.
modest marsh
Apparently saying wired mice perform better in general is a weird statement, now...
It is weird, because in general, they don't.
wind tendon
@modest marsh it's weird cause you have provided zer0 evidence
leaden fractal
<@960969099754758275> it's weird cause you have provided zer0 evidence
theres this test from 4 years ago that LTT did (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhb7Njj3h8&ab_channel=LinusTechTips) which includes system latency proving that unless you're on bluetooth, 2.4ghz and wired have fuck all difference in latency
Especially since the G703 on that picture has a reported latency of 1ms according to Logitech themselves
assuming then, that the system latency is a maximum of 12.8 (round to 13ms just for ease of calculation), all of these mice bar the mx anywhere 2 have sub 3ms latency, bar corsair, but corsair is generally regarded as dogshit here
additionally, there is a ton of straight data from rtings to use
the fabled zaunkoenig m2k?
1.6ms latency
even the rvmse and gpx2
first column is 2.4ghz, second is bt (both dont have that) and last column is wired
if you tell me you can reliably tell the 0.2ms difference you're objectively wrong
and actually, the difference between the wired and wireless is faster on wireless than for wired, for the rvmse
wind tendon
Let's settle the debate
If you buy a standard cheap wireless mouse
and a cheap wired mouse
which would you even consider for a second for gaming?
Enough said
Just because there are exceptions to a general rule, does not mean it is refuted
raven bolt
I am using a cheap wireless mouse as my main mouse
modest marsh
<@960969099754758275> it's weird cause you have provided zer0 evidence
Neither have you...
modest marsh
which would you even consider for a second for gaming?
Wireless, no doubt in my mind. I can't tell the difference between 1 or 2 milliseconds and 5 or 6, and wireless is way nicer for me.
wind tendon
yeah but you are comparing top of the top wireless mice to like an average wired gaming mouse
"I am using a cheap wireless mouse as my main mouse" define cheap, and again what I mean by cheap is like those really bad logitech offic mice
not a darmoshark or some chinese niche gaming mouse
an average wireless mouse
is not as good as an average wired mouse
that's just my experience
leaden fractal
not a darmoshark or some chinese niche gaming mouse
but they are cheap
say what you want they're objectively cheap
wind tendon
Yeah but your ordinary joe isn't buying those
leaden fractal
just like with everything in life, if you do your research you can find everything for cheap
leaden fractal
Yeah but your ordinary joe isn't buying those
you're in this server, you're not an ordinary joe
wind tendon
Wireless, no doubt in my mind. I can't tell the difference between 1 or 2 millis...
I can tell a huge diff between darmoshark wired and unwired, that's why i started this discussion!!!
leaden fractal
probably your computer's drivers
wind tendon
@leaden fractal but my argument in general, relies on the average
leaden fractal
your argument is moot point
wind tendon
Just like when you say in general computers are ... that doesn't mean gaming computers in particular
leaden fractal
cuz the average person doesn't care that much about latency
you care cuz you play games
and you're pressed about a literally dirt cheap mouse
wind tendon
i would put money on it that a $40 wired gaming mouse from china would smoke this thing
my old dav 2 has better performance and that thing is old
Let's settle this argument with a COD 1v1
😂
whoever has better aim
jk
gn
leaden fractal
i would put money on it that a $40 wired gaming mouse from china would smoke thi...
tyhe 30aud g203 would be more your speed since u keep complaining
modest marsh
I can tell a huge diff between darmoshark wired and unwired, that's why i starte...
That's almost certainly an error with the mouse, placebo or you doing something wrong. I've never seen anyone else saying they notice a difference with that mouse.
modest marsh
yeah but you are comparing top of the top wireless mice to like an average wired...
It still stands. I would guess an average wired office mouse and an average wireless one would be 5 to 10 ms and 10 to 15. That may be noticeable by eye in some cases, but definitely not a big difference.
thorn kernel
i would put money on it that a $40 wired gaming mouse from china would smoke thi...
good luck finding one of those
basically all the cheapo chinamice are wireless apart from ultra-budget no-name stuff
it really sounds like there was an issue with your m3s for their to be such a difference
do you have a video of this?
bleak glade
@wind tendon if you take out the battery, you could probably drop the weight of the M3S to 45g
wind tendon
@bleak glade so your saying turn it into a wired mouse? 🤣🤣
Not a bad idea
@modest marsh I am very sure it isn’t placebo I could confirm with double blinded ‘experiment’
wind tendon
do you have a video of this?
You have to use the mouse to feel the delay
Otherwise you’ll just see a mouse moving
raven bolt
<@125620953886490624> so your saying turn it into a wired mouse? 🤣🤣
I mean darmoshark wired performance is pretty damn good
modest marsh
<@960969099754758275> I am very sure it isn’t placebo I could confirm with doubl...
Well then, that means the most likely causes are an error with your specific copy or that you've changed a setting somewhere by accident.
wind tendon
@modest marsh I genuinely don’t think that’s the case
My brother had another copy of the regular m3
And I am pretty sure there are no differences
So I might be wrong but there isn’t a high chance I am
Still a chance though
modest marsh
<@960969099754758275> I genuinely don’t think that’s the case
What is the debounce set to?
leaden fractal
<@960969099754758275> I genuinely don’t think that’s the case
sorry to tell you, but its wrong
I gave you plenty of proof and you've ignored all of it
wind tendon
sorry to tell you, but its wrong
😂
what
you aren't at my house how can you be sure?
@modest marsh what's up what's that?
leaden fractal
you aren't at my house how can you be sure?
cuz the regualar m3 isn't the same as the m3s? and cuz the m3s has support for higher polling rates?
wind tendon
I love you all guys just realise that but I am being dead honest not trying to through any shade
@leaden fractal ?
i don't get ya
my bad
leaden fractal
i don't get ya
the regular m3 doens't support more than 1k polling
thorn kernel
You have to use the mouse to feel the delay
a video of you using both mice and the screen responding? in slow-mo if necessary
thorn kernel
<@960969099754758275> what's up what's that?
most mice want to prevent themselves from doubleclicking. some of them do this by using defer debounce, which increases latency, sometimes by a lot
better explanation:
check what the debounce is set to in the mouse software
they usually have a higher number by default
thorn kernel
<@701983861546024990> it's just physics, electricity travels much faster through...
sorry, but without doubt this isn't the cause. based on my (granted, simplified) maths, your mouse would have to be 90 metres away from the dongle for even a millisecond of increased latency
bleak glade
cuz the regualar m3 isn't the same as the m3s? and cuz the m3s has support for h...
The dongle is cross compatible from M3S and M3.
So they both support 2khz but the 2khz isn't much faster than 1khz. The Nordic 4k is faster than the Telink models
thorn kernel
Dunno man maths is not the only thing at play here
as they say, physics is applied maths
then there's the psychology of this possibly being placebo
stuck osprey
then there's the psychology of this possibly being placebo
was gonna type this as i went through the thread, (wireless) mice these days are so advanced it's impossible for a human to detect a difference as long as mouse is working properly. i've used wireless for 5 years exclusively at this point and it's never crossed my mind that there's a delay. i cant stand wired mice as it adds something in the way that can get caught on something and add weight/friction.
wind tendon
Key words: they say physics is applied maths, but that is a great oversimplification.
Maths is abstract, the universe outside our brain is not.
wind tendon
then there's the psychology of this possibly being placebo
I will address this with a single blind ‘experiment’
I’ll get my brother to attach the wire to my mouse under my desk and he will either leave it unattached or attach it so I won’t know
leaden fractal
I’ll get my brother to attach the wire to my mouse under my desk and he will eit...
a sample size of 1 isn't a valid experiment
wind tendon
@leaden fractal no shiet brother, I am going to do my honours but I am not going to determine the stastical significance of this
Either way if I do notice a difference, this will not be looking good for the 'placebo' hypothesis
thorn kernel
@wind tendon have you even looked at the software yet?
wind tendon
@thorn kernel ya what about it
modest marsh
check what the debounce is set to in the mouse software
@wind tendon
modest marsh
Do you have the mouse software installed?
bleak glade
Idk what “debounce” is
click delay
wind tendon
nah i can feel latency not click delay
but idk how to change debounce
@bleak glade Should I set debounce to 0ms
warped walrus
<@125620953886490624> Should I set debounce to 0ms
yes
wind tendon
done deal