Quest Avatar Upload Issue.

[fluid pewter]

What messages did you read?

[spark wigeon]

@fluid pewter I was reading messages in the chat

Just take a screenshot of what I encountered. Whenever I upload a quest avatar I get this “security check failed” don’t know what that means

[fluid pewter]

When you upload the avatar using blood-borne, it had the issue too turn any of your avatars into a robot

For the last couple of weeks, everyone have been experiencing the exact same issue even with the normal SDK

Some people have found ways around it and actually have uploaded avatars, but I was unsuccessful at the time but now it seems like this back working but

It seems to be that you are going to need have to need the newest current version of unity and the newest live blood-borne SDK

And you’re also going to need to keep your avatar testers

About the level of

2048 or1024

And enable crunch compression and turn it up to 100

And turn off

Generate Mipmaps

In the advanced settings

@spark wigeon

[open lance]

I've gotten it to upload with it on 0

[glad viper]

dont need to do that

crunch compression doesnt do anything in general and its horrid dont use it

i personally havent turned off minimaps so it should be fine to leave on

ive uploaded 6 avatars in the span of 2 days they all work fine

i used bloodborne for 4 of them

but i havent tried going above 10mb on them since ik its not gonna work

[ornate sierra]

I manege to upload my avi, but the transparency is not working yet

I'm going to try it with the 2019 version

[strong solar]

were do i find that?

[mossy wave]

I wanna try it but at the same time... I don't lol.

Been thinking all day about it

[fluid pewter]

@open lance @glad viper I use what I used at the time and it worked for me so that’s why I used it

[glad viper]

ah

[glad viper]

i recon u dont

[final egret]

so what your saying is bloodborne fine to use to still get those nice shaders just dont pass 10mb?

[glad viper]

correct

[final egret]

will we ever get around this?

[glad viper]

prob not

[fluid pewter]

But I guess I could try 0 crunch compression

[final egret]

if only there was a way we could just tell the system that the upload is 10 mb regardless of size, but thats easier said then done

[glad viper]

how about not using compression at all?

[glad viper]

thats litterally impossible

thats like telling someone a sasuage is still a sausage when heated

[final egret]

i mean you can add a null download size to avatars to hide the size until downloaded i just dont understand how to do that

[fluid pewter]

My first avatar, I tried with that I use no size compression on any of the pieces of the avatar but when I use that and also turned off Generate Mipmaps it worked

But to be honest, I don’t know if it’s it was actually the Generate Mipmaps may have just been the crunch compression

[fluid pewter]

Forgot to mention when I use no size compression it uploaded as a bot

[snow phoenix]

?

[strong solar]

huh?

[snow phoenix]

new update on sdk

or atleast vrc sdk

idk if this can or cannot fix the issue everyone’s been having

[strong solar]

its probably not there just being lazy probably

[zenith salmon]

Crunch compression is something I would highly recommend as it reduces the download size of the avatar.

[strong solar]

facts

[snow phoenix]

what do you mean

[strong solar]

idk i eat grass

[mossy wave]

@fluid pewter Took me a minute but like damn. took me 2hrs and wasted it. did everything. doesnt work for me. oh well man. im just thankful that i have my other avis quest

[halcyon rover]

@fluid pewter did we ever get a fix or is that what the 3.5.1 update for

[fluid pewter]

I don’t exactly know what you’re asking me entirely with the newest update if you’re asking, the issue is still not fixed

I did try to upload a avatar to my account recently yesterday, but it would not work or I’m still trying to get it working. It just seems like avatars above 10 MB are generally not uploading.

[halcyon rover]

the quest one sorry just found out about the issue

[fluid pewter]

OK, yeah the PC side of everything is completely and totally fine. Just the quest side is messing up the most.

[halcyon rover]

ah mk

thanks do we know if its ever getting fixed

[fluid pewter]

Sadly, I don’t have an answer for that. This issue has been going on every since the 12th of this month and been pretty much a bad news.

[mellow badger]

Give the avatar a new avatar ID

[strong solar]

It’s mite work I try that and it work for me but idk if it will work for yall

[sour cairn]

We’re all cooked guys just stop trying

Gonna have to get use too it

Pc only avatars or quest Avis that are public simple as that it’s clear it’s a whole issue too upload a avi on quest and i do pretty big Avis

So I’m not gonna waste time tryna fix it until vrc does an update everyone jst use your Avis you already made quest nd quit yappin

[fluid pewter]

@sour cairn you realize that this comment is only gonna make people more determinator to try to fix the issue. It’s not doing what you think is doing.

I am not mad myself plus And generally this issue that we’re all happening is affecting avatar creation in general, even if the avatar does not have any PC parts located on it at all and it just a normal avatar we’re still having issues

Plus using the blood-borne SDK gives us benefits that the normal SDK refuses to give us

[strong solar]

@fluid pewter I agreed with you

[dire sedge]

Bro came to the complain about issues channel to complain that we are complaining about issues. For real this is really impacting the quality of quest avatars but I guess some people only care about themselves and their PC avatars

I also want to say I myself appreciate all the effort people have been putting into finding work arounds for this issue we don’t have to just give up

[fluid pewter]

Thank you for agreeing some people like that do only care about themselves and not anyone else’s issues especially PC only players who do not know anything about quest

[strong solar]

Hey man us avatar creators gotta care about others to

[sour cairn]

Bro what all y’all gotta stop complaining and wait for a fix

Lmao

[quick slate]

Keeps failing on quest

[sour cairn]

Exactly smh

[mossy wave]

I don't think they read

Kinda annoying that we gotta keep explaining to them

[fluid pewter]

Seems like it

[fluid pewter]

Have you dealt with this person before?

[mossy wave]

Nah

[obtuse swan]

WOW what a prick, who knows how long the fix will be and some of us dont like to wait cuz we love avi making or thats literally our source of income, does he not realise that

gonna be honest i had my fair share of being PCVR, i wish i could go back, but iv noticed one major thing that i hate, PCVR people especially having all this fancy FBT, Face tracking and hands, are pure to the bone pricks cuz they think they are all hot sh**, now dont get me wrong iv met a small handfull that were actually nice, but they think that their avis are soo cool cuz they dont have limits when they actually do, the more u put stuff on a avi the more it will be harder on lower tier PCVR or Desktopers cuz the specs u need are what u need to play the game, they dont count the over graphic avatars an etc, and with quest we have strict limits even tho we can see half the stuff PC can see, reason Bloodborne exists, so next time whatever ur name is cuz i cant freaking read it sense its upside down cuz u think it looks cool even tho looks dumb as hell, think before u speak bud cuz apparently common sense isnt running on all cylinders in that head of yours.

if this gets me kicked/banned or something im sorry but that person needs to realize the avi making isnt just a hobby, its also a money maker as well as making avi's for public use for other people an etc. reason why Ace made Bloodborne so us questies can make that flourish more by removing that harsh limit that chains us from making really good avatars for ourselves and others and not for for PC only pricks to have that luxury.

so i felt that the stuff up their needed to be said, and hope that person understands why people will bend over backwards to find fixes for issues for everyone in this server and outside, for the entire avi making community for that matter

[strong solar]

Something tells me that they mite start drama

Idk

But maybe

[fluid pewter]

Let him cook

[strong solar]

Agreed let him cook

[obtuse swan]

sorry guys i would continue on shedding light about facts of our avi making community but dont think yall want Thousand page book about avi making 101 dumped into this chat

[strong solar]

Hold up let this man cook!

[obtuse swan]

cant tell if that referred to me or the person who complained about us trying to find temporary fixes?

[strong solar]

No we’re letting you cook

[obtuse swan]

ah alr thanks tho but im saving the bomb for when he replies

[strong solar]

https://tenor.com/view/dantdm-meme-3d-gif-25587411

[fluid pewter]

Let him cook means in the show breaking bad someone that is a masterpiece of their crap and someone else trying to be bad to them and then the other person from the other side room said let them cook

[obtuse swan]

ik where it came from as i said that this is the tip of the iceberg theres more if he wants to have an issue with me hitting him witha brick of realization

[white sandal]

I've use crunch compression for almost most/all of my textures in one project and it still had that failed error

Generate mipmaps fixed the issue

If anyone hasn't tried it yet, untoggle it and see if it helps. Idk if it'll help everyone; just saying what helped me.

But imo untoggling generate mip maps for all of my textures is what really fixed that bot pop up issue for me.

[white sandal]

I agree ^^

[glad viper]

tell that to me when i use it and have good quality quest avis but for now
NUH UH

[strong solar]

Tf you mean Nuh uh

[glad viper]

i mean no its not for me

i dont use it i wont use it and i still done use it and my avi uploads fine and its looks awsome

things i do for questies i swear

[sharp crane]

Why does bro say it like it's a species

We just have more expensive junk💀

[white sandal]

Oh dang

I make avis for questies🥲

[fluid pewter]

Why is it a PC players that precipitately only PC talk to quest players like they have race issues I’m not trying to make this sound like what we’re all thinking, but don’t be racist

Please

We’re pretty much all the same yes PC players do that more when it comes to what they are capable of, but like someone else said we can see half the things that y’all can plus even more

How about we just go back to try to fix the issue instead of talking about this?

[glad viper]

its not a slur or anything its just typically a hassle to do things for quest majority of the time and the fact people take thier own time (sometimes even larger amount) to get a avatar quest compatible

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp crane]

Honestly it ain't even that

Y'all trippin

Unless u do eboy and egirl avis

Or dragon ball

[glad viper]

i do whatever i think is worthy of my time

[sharp crane]

Worthy is a crazy word for it

Not a God now😂

More like "good use" of time. that's better

[sour cairn]

Ok well that fun is technically over vrc already messed it up nobody wants too wear low quality avatars on quest side man.

Smh technically y’all can’t read temporary fix or not the Avis on quest side would look just as bad.

[autumn cairn]

How do we use the upload limiter now, I don't see it on my end anymore after I used my token

[sour cairn]

You can’t

[autumn cairn]

Was it removed?

[sour cairn]

vrc won’t even let you upload good quest Avis unless you turn all the texture down too the lowest limit

[sour cairn]

No it’s still there you jst won’t be able too upload normally before unless you bring all the texture down too it’s lowest

[autumn cairn]

Then why isn't it showing up

[sour cairn]

Not sure what does it say for you?

[obtuse swan]

ofc hes at it again

[sour cairn]

If you don’t like the truth then jst be quiet

Like it’s not nothing bad now if it’s ruining your hopes and dreams to try to get back quest Avis the way they use to be back then

Too bad I can’t do anything about it it’s just the truth.

there’s no reason to argue I have my own opinions and sayings.

[obtuse swan]

dude i hope u know the quest 3 can handle quest side better, blame them for freakin makin mobile app

[sour cairn]

Doesn’t matter quest 3, quest 2 it’s still gonna have the problem and won’t have the same good quality quest stuff we had before the update

so no difference you’ll still have the problem 🤷🏽‍♂️

[autumn cairn]

I just don't see the option for it

[sour cairn]

did you buy the subscription?

[autumn cairn]

I have it

I used my token

[obtuse swan]

know what fine continue ruining everyones dreams for avis

[sour cairn]

And after you used your token what does it say ?

[autumn cairn]

Just that it's authorized

[sour cairn]

So then your good

[autumn cairn]

I've never had the issue before

[sour cairn]

You can upload

[sour cairn]

Bro nobody is ruining anything 💀

It’s the literal truth

It’s not even bloodborne it’s vrc if y’all wanna go ahead and use the most traumatic avi with the lowest graphics ever till the point you can’t even see your tattoos on it then oh well but it’s just the truth stop whining about it just wait for a fix and that’s it.

[fluid pewter]

@autumn cairn Hey what he did not explain to you was the fact that the blood-borne creator made it that it automatically uploads a avatar beyond the limit to your account without you having to manually set the megabyte limit yourself

And I think it was about 500 MB of upload size for quest or it would probably unlimited I forgot

@sour cairn only reason you would say this is because on PC. Everything is top-of-the-line. Quality and when you looked on other platforms like quest specifically it doesn’t look all that great or looks bad to some people even before this whole blood-borne thing ended up happening. Avatars are still looking pretty awesome and high quality and more because people put in work to make a avatar that is design originally for PC also for quest

In my opinion, it seems like you need to turn your vision around of what you think of other people on other platforms provide PC. Yes, it can be a little bit bad sometimes but that’s all part of the experience.

[sour cairn]

I am a quest player as well buddy

Your not the only one💀

I been quest converting for a year already buddy

[sour cairn]

So I know exactly what I’m saying

I play both pc side and quest side

[autumn cairn]

Thank you so much

[fluid pewter]

By the way, please do keep in mind that this change is only available on the most recent version of the SDK on any of the other versions of it. You do have to change it manually.

[autumn cairn]

I am using the most recent version, don't worry

[timber mica]

a lot of what i’m reading is scattered.

so does anyone mind summarizing it there has been any work around yet found?

thanks

[quick slate]

It still doesn't work

[flint rover]

Eeee So no one has a solution?

[supple maple]

The solution is there, but it works 4 sum and doesn't 4 others

[fringe plank]

they need to stop touching stuff and leave the game alone 😭

[sour cairn]

Bro it’s vrc it’s not gonna work dawg 💀

[open lance]

as if they will ever do that, its because there putting VRC onto mobile, which in my opinion is a very bad idea. but any who, i hate how they pride them selves of the creations, but at the same time they make it hard to make it for quest creators, we all know android can handle above 10MB, I've pushed it to the limits, and I started getting lag with my avatar probably around 98MB mark, an no, it wasn't intended to be a crasher, the avatar didn't even crash anyone.

[supple maple]

They're trapped in the timework

[fluid pewter]

I completely agree with what you were saying plus since we have the quest headsets we can handle way way more than 10 MB like you proven on android y’all can handle about 98 MB wow quest users can handle 100 or almost close to 200 MB

The limit for avatars that VR chat put in place is old and outdated. They should really think about increasing it to maybe 30 40 or even 50 MB.

Especially when the new headsets being able to support even more than the last generation

[open lance]

Agreed, if they upped it, people wouldn't turn to SDKs like bloodborne

[calm yacht]

Quick question is anyone else having problems with changing the limiter

[covert glen]

Yes and still waiting for an update on it

[inner crystal]

just had this issue for pc

as well as getting pipeline full errors

[agile sierra]

Domain

@agile sierra has detected an untrusted domain by @inner crystal.

[inner crystal]

also bloodborne did this

oh nvm ig LMAO

[hushed cairn]

Will it still upload even if its over 90 mb?

[worthy tulip]

Yeah I am also getting the error that I can't upload it because it is above 10 mb. It is only a 16mb avatar

[quick slate]

No longer useful for quest

[obtuse swan]

that leads to another issue, they are made mobile app for vrchat so my guess they still wont touch it till the app flops or theey are just half neglecting us

atleast thats what iv seen idk for sure so dont take my word for it

then again why do they have a limit that we can adjust to what we can download to see bloodborne avi's but still have the limiter on the standard SDK?

[tropic basalt]

I feel like this is something to throw at Yall here but considering I am hearing so many mixed things, imma just say this here:

Some people say they can use Bloodborne if you turn down crunch compression and make it at the very max 10mb

However I do that and no change, on top of that I have tried using an upload that works fine on the VRChat SDK, imported Bloodborne, changed literally nothing but the SDK and tried uploading it and got the security error bot thingy again.

[elfin grove]

I uploaded an avi that is 9.80 mb and has a poly count of 4,998,000+ and doesn’t error but as soon as I upload it again and just deleted the ID so it’s considered a fresh upload it just error bots. Vrc just has a new security system for mobile (phone) users so they don’t have to make a 3rd conversation such as PC/Quest/Phone but just want PC/Others

The Bloodborne sdk is fine it’s just the game devs laziness

I even made a avi with 0 stats across the board with the regular sdk and bloodbornes sdk and both run up an error

[tropic basalt]

That's weird, because the one that I uploaded which was about 9.77 MB I believe(?) was not a fresh upload, however it didn't work regardless.

On top of that while the stats were very poor they were still within VR chats decent spec

[elfin grove]

I still make updates to that avatar with 0 problems

But just not a fresh version with new blueprint ID

But I can add new Fbx files, texture, and shader changes

But as soon as it’s new, it dies

From what I know pc as 14,999,999 poly limit found and quest had 4,999,999 but nothing else

Nothing else other then pc with 4,999 audio source limit

[tropic basalt]

Interesting.

[timber mica]

rlly hoping this gets fixed cause fuckkkk😭

[calm yacht]

Any update

[tight epoch]

the thing that is most likely causing it is the uncompressed size being over 40MB, because VRChat decided to limit uncompressed size for quest to 40MB.

[strong solar]

I just noticed that yesterday TwT

[violet frigate]

yall think we ever getting an eta on the fix?

[open lance]

It's because they love screwing over quest

[tight epoch]

indeed, though i did manage to make an avatar of the PW-MK1 from Project Wingman, but still VRChat should try not screwing over quest for once.

[open lance]

if they didn't do it, people wouldn't turn to 3rd party SDKs, which they Moan about most of the time

[quick slate]

10mb

and

40mb is the other requirement quite apart from the 10 mb otherwise it will look like a robot

[strong solar]

so the method is basically

• Crunch Compression

• Generate Mipmaps
• Met caps
  From what im reading

Crunch Compression is horrid but just to reduce that fuckin thing we might have to do it

[fluid pewter]

You’re correct

[strong solar]

how do u even do met caps lol

[fluid pewter]

Inside of the VR chat mobile shaders, you can find Metcalf in the middle. It should have the checkbox like in this picture but not on yours.

[fluid pewter]

And how it also works as you need a • MatCap to actually do it, which is pretty easy to find

[thorn panther]

Only fix ik is to make a new project

[errant gust]

is there a fix yet for this issue?

[spark wigeon]

From what I read issue has not been resolved

What’s crazy before the issue with Vrchat I was ready to upload these

[errant gust]

fr tho , i have 10+ avis to upload

[spark wigeon]

lol it’s just one avatar I was able to fixed the shaders for quest. But again this issue has gotten worse.

So far I’ve been practicing with certain shaders. Now I’m focusing on blender I am making an avatar for a close friend but our ideas kept getting bigger and we kept on rambling about it. Ngl I could wait until the issue is fixed.

[wicked vigil]

hi guys are they working to fix the problem that we are having with the quest side showing the bot with error ? does anybody know about this situation ?

[hushed cairn]

Why do i uploaded and i dont see it in my avatars

[strong solar]

this isnt the first time this has happend either

it happend when they switch from 2019 unity to the newer 1

[balmy sky]

im sad as well i was maing hella bank

[sour cairn]

What avi is that

Viper?

[spark wigeon]

@sour cairn Yoxz

[idle verge]

is this almost fixed?

[sour cairn]

No bruh

Quit whining and wait for vrc too update and fix this issue

[idle verge]

just wondering,

[hushed cairn]

exatly what i wanted to say

[halcyon crater]

The issue with most seems to be avatar upload size, I tested with a few avatars of mine, and everytime when the avatar size went over 10 it failed the security check.

[balmy sky]

yeah its because there scaning avis now

[rigid oyster]

Cringe

[river holly]

hey i have question anyone know how to fix this
its not see my avatar and just have the file size at 0

[ancient shoal]

upload the avi and it should update

[river holly]

i did but every time i do it show up as a robot for quest

[ancient shoal]

the error robot is a vrc bug i believe

[river holly]

i think it bloodborne

[rigid oyster]

It's both actually

Until vrc fixes it, Bloodborne can't fix it

So they BOTH need to update

[river holly]

but when i use this before like 3 days ago it was working fine
i think it might be the version 2022.3.22f1 unity

[river holly]

i found out what was wrong if u authorized bloodborne it breaks it when i unauthorized it it works

[rigid oyster]

How do you unauthorize it??

I've never done that-

[river holly]

did u subscribe to the patreon?

[rigid oyster]

I used to

Do you need it?

[river holly]

did u use your token and authorize bloodborne in the settings?

[rigid oyster]

I didn't have a token, I only had the $5 one

[river holly]

i only have the 5$ too and got a token

[rigid oyster]

Bruh-

[river holly]

did u do / token in the bot channel when u had it?

[rigid oyster]

No

[river holly]

that what u had to do to get it

[rigid oyster]

Wait if you don't have the Patreon doesn't the tokens not work anyway?

So I should be good then? I just can't go over 10 mb

[river holly]

yes

[rigid oyster]

I'll give it a shot when I get home then

[river holly]

until the next bloodborne update

[rigid oyster]

Ofc, as soon as the update comes out, ya boi getting the Patreon again

Cuz I hate being limited to 10 mb 😭

[river holly]

if there's one

[rigid oyster]

Yea

[river holly]

fr the limit should be 50mb

[rigid oyster]

FR

[glacial geode]

it should be 50mb and have an option in the settings to set it to 50mb and the default be 10

thats the way it should be

[glacial geode]

also im triyng this now

[glacial geode]

im using 2019 unity and 3.1.0 bloodborne and it didnt work imma try it again on the latest version

[river holly]

i use both newest versions

[ivory hill]

The latest release of Bloodborne SDK sets the limiter to unlimited when authorized, so unauthorizing will limit it. @river holly

[river holly]

i know until a new update imma keep it unauthorize becuz of the vrc update that broke it

[glacial geode]

do you have any idea of a work around or do we legit just have to wait?

[ivory hill]

I don't want to give anyone any false hope which is why I'm not really saying anything.

[glacial geode]

i respect that. i legit just bought it not knowing the issues thats just why im kinda upset rn. its all good you do your best and everything will work out 😁

[solemn summit]

any chance we gonna get a bypass for quest avatar audios or is quest audios just completely depricated

[zenith salmon]

It's completely deprecated.

I'm pretty sure they're now checked serverside.

[open lance]

They just know how to runin stuff for quest users

[zenith salmon]

Yep.

[river holly]

Works for me i just use it yesterday

[rigid oyster]

Respec

[plain minnow]

im not sure if this all has been fixed yet but i uploaded my quest ver of my avi and i am a quest user so idk if pc is working but its a robot and the profile of it is greyed im not sure if i did something wrong or shm

[clear grotto]

@quiet steppe

[rigid oyster]

Basically just don't add too many extra things and it should be fine

You'll still need quest shaders tho

[plain minnow]

i ended up just doing the normal thing and putting it under 10 sense the thingy dont work

[rigid oyster]

Yea that's what I've been doing

[river maple]

When/if there is a workaround avalible could u make an announcement?

[fluid pewter]

Well, everyone

We might be screwed

Just looked at the update for VR chat and this is what I saw

Basically they’re changing the size limiter for PC as well instead of 500 MB is going to be 200 MB and they have also said that they did notice people with avatar that is seated the limit for quest

[supple maple]

It just shows how dumb they r

[fluid pewter]

And also, they said that the bottom that avatars that is seated the limit before either ones that was already uploaded or ones that you wanna upload are going to have issues in the future

[river holly]

classic vrchat ruining the game first with the eac now this

[weary matrix]

i dont understand why they dont just raise it to the peoples likings that everyone has been asking for? if normal everyday people can do it why cant the entire team they have do it

quest users want more upload size why would they allow no limit size loading in the settings if we arent allowed to upload to no limit

[supple maple]

Cz they're dumb, they live in the past back in 2020

[halcyon crater]

I get why they would do it, because quest cant handle big avatars that are like near 100 or 200mb, but in that case they should just lower the check down to 100mb or at the least 50-80mb, because the system already doesn’t allow for avatars to load in if the ram is being used up too much, and 80mb is the biggest I could have avatar load in well before the avatar doesnt load due to ram usage.

[rigid oyster]

That's it, I'm moving to ChilloutVR

It's free on steam, y'all join in

You can reimport your VrChat Avis into the game

Effects work

See y'all there

[somber dust]

@rigid oyster it’s out for quest?

[halcyon crater]

No, but it is in development

[rigid oyster]

I'm on PC

But it's definitely gonna be worth the wait

Unlike Resonite where you make the avatars IN GAME, ChilloutVR does unity just like VrChat

And when quest is out a LOT more people are gonna play it

[somber dust]

Yea

I’m def moving to chillout

[violet frigate]

so are the bypasses gonna get fixed or do i cancel my subscription?

[river holly]

Who knows

[open lance]

I thought that game died

[rigid oyster]

Kinda

Only cuz they dont have quest yet

[open lance]

They really under estimate the capabilities of the quest, I'm guessing they haven't looked at the dev log on the Official meta website

[upper aurora]

I don't know where I heard that from, but I believe the team behind ChilloutVR is very concerned about performance. I can't imagine what people who already can't even handle VRChat's performance restrictions could possibly gain from switching to ChilloutVR, especially once ChilloutVR adds standalone support.

[rigid oyster]

Quest 3 could probably run it

Quest 2 maybe

Quest 1 DEFINATELY NOT

[open lance]

Quest 1 isn't supported anyone by any game

[fluid pewter]

What do it specifically say?

[open lance]

Not dev log sorry, meta's documentation.

[open lance]

their doing it, since VRChat is coming out for phones

at this point we're not going to be able to upload anything for Quest, their just going to look like those fan made avatars

[errant gust]

could we make a petition or something to stop this?

[fluid pewter]

Last time someone made a petition against VR chat to not get rid of clients they basically said we do not care about what you as a community think and we just gonna do whatever we want to do and the feedback give us is good but would not listen to it

If the entire VR chat came together And told VR chat that you are messing up they may listen, but it would have to be abundance of people to make them lose money and lose out on players

[errant gust]

its worth a try-

[fluid pewter]

Although I am not going down that route of fighting against VR chats rules, I’m too lazy for that and I’d rather have someone else do it and then just jump in and give my support. I’m not much of a leader.

[errant gust]

me neither

[open lance]

Found this on their canny, they could increase it if they actually could be arsed

[errant gust]

nah wtf , so their just decreasing it cuz they can!?

im not a leader but i want things to change 😭 even if it doesnt go anywhere its worth a try.

[open lance]

That is from the meta development document as well

[errant gust]

can u send me the links for these please

[open lance]

go to the annoncments channel in the VRChat discord sever

[errant gust]

im not in vrchats discord server 💀

[open lance]

https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-11-july-2024/25514

[errant gust]

thx

[open lance]

no problem

[errant gust]

im trying to write the description of the change thing but im dyslexic and im not good with words

[open lance]

i'm on the same page as you mate

[errant gust]

👁️ 👁️ Huh!?

ur making one !?

😭 thank god

[open lance]

no i mean on the dyslexic part

[errant gust]

Oh

💀

😭 please can someone help me write a actually good one cuz i want this to work so badly

[halcyon rover]

Welp my feeling is vr chat is going to keep doing this and possibly when it gets to much there probably going to loss so many people playing the game and which would also mean not as many people paying for the subscription

[tropic basalt]

I have an avatar that was made for PC, however 118mb on Quest uploaded directly from Bloodborne (nothing changed except physbones, this was also before the Quest issues popped up) and it loads fine on Quest.

[halcyon crater]

Did no one have the problem with the avatar not loading in due to the ram limit?

[tropic basalt]

Oof that happened still just not that much

[open lance]

so, i looked abit more into the thread and update, and it said ONE of the reasons is that the SDK could be out of date

[zenith juniper]

you'll be back in a few days

[weary matrix]

i can casually load up to 3 avatars above 100 mb before i start to have problems with freezing and screen tearing

[hushed cairn]

it says mine is 30 and it still wouldnt load?

[modern cipher]

I just now uploading a avatar just now and had a security issue, I knew that this random update I also just updated had some shady catch to it, they can't just let things alone 🤬

[spark wigeon]

It’s been weeks since I uploaded an avatar since the new update dropped with the new sdk. Sad to say I am starting to loose interest in using unity. It’s like something I enjoyed using is having issues. lol you don’t keep broken toys 🤷🏾‍♂️

[eager temple]

is the bypasser gonna be broken forever? or are they trying to fix it

[cold kiln]

i don't know sadly

[eager temple]

oh oki ty

[strong solar]

So theres no fix so far? I've been having the same problem I really hope they update this stuff soon.

[calm yacht]

Is it true that VR chat is allowing 40 MB for Quest uploads now or no

[modern cipher]

They did say that there is a update on the 17th for changing the polygons size but I hope this includes the fix of security, if not, we all must make a stand and tell the devs to fix this or we will all must leave this game. They don't care about improving, they will keep making things worse 😒

[modern cipher]

No, only the bloonborne premium has the mb bypass not standard

[calm yacht]

Am I not going to be able to upload because of the bypass or no

Or am I not allowed to change it up to 40 MB

[modern cipher]

No, you need to go on the bloonborne patreon to get it, you cant go over 10mb with out it

[calm yacht]

Yeah but it's the bypass working or no

Cuz for the instructions on this one Avatar that I have it says to change the megabyte up to 40

Or even 20

[modern cipher]

Yes it works, but I don't recommend doing new avatars for the moment do to VRChat security errors, meaning you won't get your new avatar in but it will be a default robot

[calm yacht]

Is there any way I can change that by chance or do I just have to wait cuz I legit got the premium version for this reason I don't know what I'm doing though

[weary summit]

All we can do is just sit down and wait or a send complaints to vrchat untill vrchat complies

Yeah buddy you gotta wait.

[calm yacht]

And another thing what do we do if we got the subscription literally the month it shut down

[weary summit]

That’s a Patreon problem you gotta make sure you buy it before the month is over

[calm yacht]

Okay

[fluid pewter]

It doesn’t seem like you read the right way

No, they are not turning avatars to 40 MB. They’re all already 40 MB four uncompressed size of the avatars Textures

For PC they’re going to decrease the megabyte limit from 1.2 gigabyte, to 200 MB

And for quest is gonna stay 10 MB

[zenith salmon]

^^That and, Polygon sizes aren't changing for Quest.

[hidden gust]

im guessing people are still having the security check failed thing for quest

[mossy wave]

Yeah sukuna

[modern cipher]

New update came and still not fix the security issue 🤬

[shadow mango]

thats insane that they are doing a 83% decrease for pc

like actually nuts

so many people are going to go nuts over this

[wicked wigeon]

[shadow mango]

are those not numbers for pc?

[fluid pewter]

Clarify what you mean by not numbers for PC

[zenith salmon]

The download size are clearly for PC. Not Quest for platform.

[fluid pewter]

Yes, this is specifically for PC

But it’s also gonna be affecting quest users as well because VR chat may end up changing the megabyte limit to a lower limit plus what they said at the bottom was the avatars that was already affected will

be messed around with later meaning that possibly avatars that is seated the limit for the game recommendations will be either deleted or not be able to work anymore

[upper aurora]

Nope, they can't. VRChat limits Android in general, not the Quest specifically. Remember that VRChat supports an Android mobile app, and soon even iOS? Increasing the Android limits based on the best Android hardware tanks performance for everyone with lower end Android hardware. They could, of course, force everyone to upload even more avatars, ones with more and less details, but I can't see how that'd ever happen since people are already trying to game the current system.

[upper aurora]

Daily reminder that very poor Quest avatars are also deprecated and may be removed in the future.

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#overriding-individual-avatars

[hushed cairn]

did a new vrc update change anything?

I had a update to vrc and it work for a sec untill it took down my avatar

[fluid pewter]

no

[open lance]

and this is all because, they want VRC to run on bloody mobile

[sage mesa]

WHAT THE FUCK!!!?

Welp ima sign petition on this

We gonna do some uh protesting make vrchat ass again

If quest don't exist

We go all out fr and feedbacks for hacks those kids why not

[fluid pewter]

May want to repeat what you just said did not understand

And hacking quest users, or kids ain’t gonna fix anything

@sage mesa

I’m completely against the ideal

[sage mesa]

These kids of gen Z

[fluid pewter]

I’m sorry, but what does those type of people have to do with the game being this way?

I am not one myself, but it seems like they’re just mostly a problem with the VR chat creators

[sage mesa]

I bet is those parents giving kids quest ngl

No strict at all

[sage mesa]

Altho I seen some dudes in tiktok saying too many hackers vrchat fix this or too many big avatar pls fix this vrchat

I like the old vrchat 2017 is one best ngl

[fluid pewter]

There’s barely any hackers inside of VR chat like it used to be when they ended up adding net feature that prevent you from using any sort of client got 80% of the hacker player base on the game which at first was a dumb decision

because it got rid of all of the good clients that people need it but after a month or so it was probably the greatest update that VR chat, add to the game

Anyway, yeah, people are getting headsets by their parents no way to stop that unless you’re gonna go and steal from each and every person across the world which good luck

I’m not trying to argue with you. I’m just saying that it’s a different issue and is mainly just to be our chat creators not us as a community. We’re trying to make this game better and show VR chat that we can do way more but they don’t want.

To put any effort into

Making this community happy

[fossil venture]

i won't be surprised if someone gains control over updates in vrc

[modern cipher]

I'm with you bro, VRChat has lost its charm, I miss the time when VRChat Was not in control, I can't even upload any new avatars and I have a client is waiting on my commission and this security program had made it all worse, I'm fighting back for this 😡

[fluid pewter]

So do you also support what he is saying at the bottom about?

Quest users should not be allowed to play this game anymore and they should get hacked

[open lance]

I'm sorry but, I don't see how "hacking" peoples stuff is going to help this situation, all that's going to do, is get you into trouble and it's mostly likely because some people are abusing bloodborne to upload avatars that crash people or worse brick their headsets, and also their porting the game to Phone now so that probably another factor in the choice.

[sage mesa]

Bro stop

Got like 7 people say same thing yr

Wtf

?? I'm kinda confused I'm being trolled ngl

But yea not talking about hacking just abit example

[fluid pewter]

That sounds like a stupid example

What are the word besides hacking sounds better

All I’m just gonna say is I’m not gonna get involved in this anymore because the more I try to understand it the more I don’t understand it

[open lance]

Same page mate

[modern cipher]

I don't support hacking, their should be a better way then just destroy the game

[edgy rose]

we are so cooked

[strong solar]

I can't even upload an avatar I bought and tried to upload for quest

[upper aurora]

Excuse me, this is Android, not PC. We have a proper sandbox and permission system over here. Hacking Android users only gives you control over the VRChat mobile app. Exploits beyond that can literally get you a $100,000 – $2,500,000 bug bounty reward, if not more. Nobody is stupid enough to waste a powerful 0day like that on VRChat players.

[upper aurora]

If the avatar creator expects you to upload their “Android-compatible” avatar with a modded SDK to bypass upload limits, then by all means just chargeback and report the creator to VRChat lol.

[hot atlas]

you’re so corny.

[sage mesa]

I love corn

[hot atlas]

[ivory hill]

I’m Gen Z…

[errant gust]

can u not be rude to me in dms pls ty

[flint rover]

I am writing here to ask if the problem is resolved with the mb limit in quest

If we can upload an avatar that is larger than 10 mb in quest

[pallid bluff]

so.. is the security check thingy fixed or no bc im reading these and not seeing a forward answer.

[fluid pewter]

@pallid bluff @flint rover

Sadly, not a current moment there is no fix for this issue exactly

There is ways to get around it, by using the latest version of the blood-borne SDK and unity But sadly, you cannot upload avatars beyond the limit for Meta Quest when you do that, it still shows up as a robot on the quest side

[pallid bluff]

ok thank you so much

how do you compress the size for the textures?

[fluid pewter]

Click on the chat button at the bottom and then click on it and stroll it over to 100 after you find your find the exact one that you want to lower

And the numbers at the top you got to change to eater 1024 or below

And also turn off this as well

[violet frigate]

is quest bypass dead forever now?

[shadow mango]

seems like it

vrc is dying imo because of this update and because of them adding it to IOS making the avi limit even tighter

[modern cipher]

@fluid pewter how to get pass the security?

[fluid pewter]

idk

[zenith salmon]

It's server-sided. It's likely never gonna happen.

[fluid pewter]

I don’t know how to get past the security check. I just been uploading avatars normally using blood-borne.

Only issues it only works with the newest latest version of unity and the SDK

[modern cipher]

The newest sdk can go pass security?

[fluid pewter]

It seems like you’re not understanding what I’m saying. I’m trying to say that either way VR chat is scanning your avatar to see if it meets the requirements to upload.

Avatar is above 10 MB not be uploaded at this moment but avatar that are below 10 Mbytes like 9 MB 8 and below still work and can be uploaded perfectly fine even with illegal PC shaders on the avatar

And also for avatars, they decrease the amount of shader size to 40 MB so even if your avatar is below 10 you may want to make sure that your size is below 40

[modern cipher]

my new avatar is are low 10 MB but security saying no and just a yellow robot, I was saying I need a update bloodborne sdk to go past security?

[fluid pewter]

You’re going to need unity version

2022.3.22f1

And

Ace Asin - Bloodborne SDK
(3.5.1)

[modern cipher]

Is 2019.4.31f1 work?

[fluid pewter]

I tried uploading avatars with that unity version with one of my old avatars and sadly it does not work anymore. It seems like.

Only the normal SDK works with the version of unity, but if you use blood-borne, it does not work

[modern cipher]

This works on bloodborne only

[fluid pewter]

Sorry, what do you mean?

[modern cipher]

2022.3.22f1

And

Ace Asin - Bloodborne SDK
(3.5.1)

[fluid pewter]

I think I understand what you mean are you trying to say is this the only variant of unity and the blood-borne ST that works

And that would be the correct answer yes

[modern cipher]

I find the 2019 more easy then 2022 version, I one time on 2022 and was very lost in the changed in layout. Is there a way to go back on the layout like the old one?

[fluid pewter]

I don’t know if you’re specifically talking about the unity itself or the SDK pop out menu to upload

But I was the same way back when I first tried it out. It was super confusing, but after I looked a little bit more, it got pretty easy. I can walk you through it if you need it.

[modern cipher]

It's manly the unity tools layout, because I know all that I need to put but with new things I'm just used to the original unity. I believe there is a original set for people who is happy with the old, even it's a new unity program. But I'm now downloading 2022 now but if I do need a guide on parts that is not there anymore I will message you for the help, I'm very nervous with new programs that makes things awkward 😅👍

[tight epoch]

apparently vrc plans to ban anyone with public avis made using bloodborne so that's bad

[modern cipher]

Is this true, people say this and never happen, if that is true, then VRChat is dead and this will maybe worse then Easy Cheat all other again, and most of my work I do for clients 😕

[tight epoch]

apparently but even if it ain't i'm privating my stuff

[modern cipher]

Better report this to the bloonborne team about this, this is very serious

[tight epoch]

how would i do that?

should i just @ them or something?

[hazy sonnet]

vrchat is become less and less fun with this crap they are doing.

[tight epoch]

indeed

[hazy sonnet]

before bloodborn quest avis where a pain to make and now they are cracking down and making it even more harder to make quest avis. i might just stop avi makin honestly

[tight epoch]

i plan to just make one more commision for some guy and then i'm going to go play project wingman and gta, might make a few aircraft avis every now and then

nvm just found this

[modern cipher]

Oh assets ripping, that's different

Mean stealing other peoples models another words

@tight epoch

@tight epoch

[tight epoch]

yes

i know what that is

[modern cipher]

Well we don't have to worry about, thats a different issue 😅

[elfin grove]

I’ve been uploading fine with 2019 for quest

I’ve upload Avis on my alt account yesterday for quest and they all work fine

[mossy wave]

2019 you say?

Well I can't try it anymore

[open lance]

The good thing about bloodborne is, that even if the upload limiter is broken, it still bypasses the bs compression limiter

[elfin grove]

Yep

[alpine hedge]

im having or been having this issue for quite a while now. my avis are all below 10 MB and still show up as a robot. is there any way to maybe fix it?

i’ve been reading n stuff but either i’ve overread it or haven’t found the answer at all

[fluid pewter]

I had the exact same issue once it just a outdated unity version apparently

You’re going to need the newest latest version of unity and the current bloodborne SDK

[alpine hedge]

thing is that i’m using the newest unity and the current bloodborne, unless im stupid

is the current unity vers. 2022.3.22f1?

cause i have uploaded avis with that version and no issue, but the avis im having the most issues with are booth models

[fluid pewter]

Yes, to it was the right version of unity, but

Don’t know the answer to that other question never bought models from that website before

@alpine hedge

Also, are you enabling crunch compression on the avatar?

[alpine hedge]

uhh not sure

[fluid pewter]

May want to check on that

[alpine hedge]

where do i check that ?

not too experienced with unity

[fluid pewter]

Go onto your avatar Texture anyone of them or all of them and go down to the bottom and enable crunch compression

[alpine hedge]

should i do anything with the slider

[fluid pewter]

And turn it to 100

[alpine hedge]

okkii

[fluid pewter]

Make sure to do that with all of them

[alpine hedge]

mhm let me try again

[fluid pewter]

Also, you may wanna make a brand new upload people have been having issues with using the same blueprint for the same avatar and it still showing up like a robot. I haven’t had issues with that myself, but people have.

[alpine hedge]

so should i just remove the bluerpint from the avi ?

[fluid pewter]

Yeah, I’ve tried that out

[alpine hedge]

what does that do if i may ask ?

[alpine hedge]

tried it, still doesnt work

[fluid pewter]

It just creates another copy of the exact same avatar to your account

And damn

There might be another option, but hold on

[alpine hedge]

oh ok

[alpine hedge]

guys i contacted the vrchat support about the issue, this might be the reason why some of our avis are just turning into robots

hope this might’ve helped

[fluid pewter]

That message at the bottom is actually pretty interesting. Did not know that there was a feature that could do that although nowadays, there's a lot of features that we all don't know about that could really help us.

Anyway, that 40 MB size that you're talking about is not really the issue. A lot of our avatars are below that megabyte size but still is the issue with the avatars normal megabyte limit being above 10 MB.

Even if the 40 MB size is right word needs to be the avatar was still showing up as a robot because the other size limit is still going above the normal limit

[alpine hedge]

ah okay

[quick slate]

[strong solar]

the quest is that weak?? jeez

[fluid pewter]

What do you mean do you need clarification?

[strong solar]

honestly yeah wht is it mainly for?

cuz i thought that was quest

[fluid pewter]

Oculus quest MB it by limit is only 10 MB

For PC is 500 but changing it to 200 megabyte

And they said that they won’t be changing the quest limits for right now it will stay at 10

[strong solar]

oh

maybe its for the best

cuz ppl be having them mfking 8k textured avatars

[hazy sonnet]

personally for me my texture size isn't breaking things the the avatar upload being so strict to 10mbs is killing for making quest avatars to look good, and to have the pc, and quest see all the same things instead of removing stuff, VRChat making all the new rules are annoying

[crisp mica]

You'd be surprised how much stuff you can cram under 10 MB

[hazy sonnet]

Thats not exactly how my luck works, lmao

[open lance]

im sure if they actually tried, to put a cap on texture sizes

[burnt phoenix]

what does it mean secruity check failed or something when i upload my avi for quest?

[modern cipher]

This is the reason why this whole conversation started, because of that, and it's on PC and quest, they broken the security check, that why I'm moving to 2022 unity and using the latest SDK but I'm having trouble with it because they are policing the check ups like this

[golden depot]

My stuff uploads but doesn’t show for quest

[daring topaz]

Respectfully your gonna have that issue still with 2022 dawg 😭😭

[west horizon]

Bro. Same with me, is there any way to fix that?!

[smoky whale]

got the same thing here but i got a 5 mb avi turn out to be a robot

[lime tide]

anyone able to figure out a way to get it to work or does it still not work? the 10mb bypasser

[tight epoch]

it doesn't work as either way the avatar has to have a uncompressed size under 40mb

[lime tide]

Oh ok thanks

[tight epoch]

np, also if your unsure if your avatar has an uncompressed size under 40mb you can just upload it to pc and check the uncompressed size in the avatar details on vrchat (for some reason uncompressed size is not shown in the SDK)

[lime tide]

Ok thanks for letting me know

[strong solar]

yo bro on quest its still a robot issue for quest you might need to update your SDK

[strong solar]

its the new secuirty check thing they have added

[strong solar]

Its a sever side issue

[polar beacon]

Not sure what you guys are talking about cuz we updated my avatar and it worked fine in bloodborne on quest

Maybe it’s cuz it was just updating an avatar and not making a brand new one

[smoky whale]

how big your quest avatar was ?

[polar beacon]

Hold on I’ll check what it says ingame

[modern cipher]

I want to know is the 2019 unity still working, Im going through testing on 2019 because I have went through 2022 and the model dose go through security check and it's works, I need to find out if 2019 is broken?

[smoky whale]

well its the bypass that have issues

so if its above 10mb

you might get issues

[strong solar]

Its the bypasser

Not working

Anything above 10mb

[sour cairn]

L

[teal marsh]

Bloodbrone gonna be dead if they don't fix it

[cold kiln]

tell me about it my account just got banned idk what to do

[fluid pewter]

I think that this right over here may help you

[cold kiln]

ah that would explain it then i had to rip on of my old models yesterday

[elfin grove]

My new stuff uploads fine

[polar beacon]

Yeah my stuffs been fine too

Updated it last night

(To fix invisible toggle not untoggling for other players)

[cold kiln]

well i had to rip from my old account i locked myself out of a while back

[elfin grove]

Ripped files are fine

[fluid pewter]

I am guessing that it’s only happening with new files

[cold kiln]

Yes

[fluid pewter]

So what are you planning on doing making another account?

[cold kiln]

already had one made as a precaution

[sand phoenix]

im still getting he security checks failed thing for quest robot and all, is the limiter thingy stil roken for quest or is it smt im doing

[solemn summit]

there hasn't been any official announcement saying the bypasser is working now, stop believing rumors

goes for everyone

and those spreading them

also just get good at optimizing avis. i did way before this bypass shi

and still am even with todays avis

if you dont think you can just remembered there's always more to learn

[quick slate]

quest no working more

[polar beacon]

It can work you just need to make sure it’s within the limits (you can still use the transparent textures tho)

[hushed cairn]

maybe if you scroll alway up you'll see alot of people are having problem with that

if you try uploading quest avi with a bypasser thats over 10 mb it was turn into a robot

maybe your just new to it

I been having the same problem

[queen gulch]

possible solution

I noticed I was getting this issue recently but only if I added gogo loco. Removing gogo made it work fine.

[solemn summit]

what you're saying doesn't follow up well with what I said so you might wanna reread

[fluid pewter]

In the past, people have said that it may be a issue that you have go go Loko on a avatar and it may be affecting the upload size limiter just in general it into a robot

But the only way that it could be doing that is either just the avatar going above the limit but from your rules, it doesn’t seem like you are a Patreon subscriber so I’m guessing that it may be something but it’s not really clear what exactly you did to make it work like that

i myself, have not had an issue with that at all so I can’t really speak much experience

But all I know is the newest version of unity and the blood-borne SDK does work

For a lot of people, but for some people, I guess it doesn’t

Hey Ace Asin I don’t want to bother you if you are busy or in general make you mad or whatever it might be

I’m just asking if there is a update involving this entire issue A lot of people myself included have been waiting on information about this for a while and you had gave updates. They wasn’t exactly good, but we haven’t heard from you in a little while involving the whole thing and me a lot other people would like to hear any

information that you would provide to us even if you probably won’t provide the entire information to what you have found because you don’t want to get peoples hopes up and I can understand that

But please let us know

[queen gulch]

Nah I make my stuff all under 10mb

[elfin grove]

All my testing still proved to work

None of my new Avis have any upload and use problems on quest

Fully load and all toggles/animations work

[strong solar]

so the solution is no gogo..?

[teal marsh]

so is the quest limiter fixed or no?

[thin jewel]

The solution is optimizing your avatars

[zenith salmon]

No.

Gogo Loco shouldn't cause an uploading problem. Instead, You should probably stop trying to go over the 10MB limit as there's no way to bypass that limit anymore. All avatar size's are now checked via server-side (VRChat servers).

Although, It could be VRCFury casuing upload issues as I had an issue where installing Gogo via VRCFury caused uploading issues for me.

You should also try optimizing your avatar with tools such as Polytool and Thry's Avatar Performance Tools. I use Polytool to reduce polygons in Unity without having to bring it into Blender. This saves me countless hours by automating the process and preserving crucial details like UVs, and blendshapes. Polytool's intuitive interface and preset options make it easy to achieve significant polygon reduction without compromising visual quality.

Thry's Avatar Performance Tools is another invaluable resource for optimization. It offers a comprehensive suite of tools to analyze and improve your avatar's performance. By calculating VRAM usage, identifying performance bottlenecks, and providing detailed metrics, Thry's tool helps you pinpoint areas for optimization. For instance, you can use it to reduce VRAM consumption by optimizing textures and materials, streamline your animation system by eliminating unnecessary transitions, and even identify potential issues with blendshapes.

Polytool is a paid tool for $25 that can be found here: https://markcreator.gumroad.com/l/Polytool
Thry's Avatar Performance Tools is a free unity script that can be found here: https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools

[hushed cairn]

yeah but everytime i use poly tool it messes up my character

[agile sierra]

Domain

@agile sierra has detected an untrusted domain by @scarlet garnet.

[scarlet garnet]

https://github.com/deathdebug/Polytool-For-Unity

or you can just buy it

https://markcreator.gumroad.com/l/Polytool

[scarlet garnet]

Play around with the settings.

[scarlet garnet]

Also seems to work better for furry avatars than anything; it seems to be having trouble with humans and hair.

Different for every avi.

[tired knoll]

There's a Avatar on vrc called blueberry who was just able to upload a 32 MB Avatar I have no idea how they did this considering the last blueberry was deleted off of vrchat and then it was added again recently so they must have figured out a way

Their username is KYOKA-CHI, I have no idea how they did this but they did

[solemn summit]

show the upload date

in avatar details

[hot atlas]

context?

oh!

[tired knoll]

I really don't know how they did it

If anyone has this person and their friends list we need to ask them

[hot atlas]

lowkey should we add them, and ask?

[tired knoll]

It looks like they figured out a way

[hot atlas]

cowavummer. vrchat sucks

[tired knoll]

It's literally an artificial limit considering that my smartphone can handle it

Even my smartphone can handle the bypass limits. It's just really dumb

[tired knoll]

Anyways does anyone know her

[elfin grove]

Lmao

[tired knoll]

What do you mean???

[open lance]

with that it could be a simple thing of when they uploaded the avatar

[tired knoll]

Maybe Ace Asin can learn from her and talk to her. Would be beneficial for those two to talk quite possibly.

[dire sedge]

Look at the upload date it was uploaded Aug 12 2024 so it's after the update

[open lance]

Fair

[tired knoll]

Don't know how they did it. Cuz it technically should be very hard to do that right now. There has to be some kind of server spoofing or lying of information. Don't really know exactly but yeah.

[viscid crow]

Wait. Look at the description of the avatar. It was uploaded by somebody else

[tired knoll]

Yes

I'm aware I'm trying to find this person to figure out how they did it

I didn't upload it

It's not mine

[viscid crow]

I'm aware. Didn't know if people noticed the description was all

[tired knoll]

Ok thats fine thanks man, anyways I wish I knew their secrets

[acoustic pivot]

how you byass on quest ?

[open lance]

Broken at the moment

[plain minnow]

rahh

[solemn summit]

Could be they updated pc side on that date so it updated the upload date but idk if that's how it even works

[tired knoll]

No because this Avi was previously deleted from vrc but it was re-uploaded

August

[strong solar]

This actually fkin sucks

[midnight hazel]

aint no way haha

[midnight hazel]

☝️🤓

that derserved this emoji frfr

[acoustic pivot]

how did you do that ?

[edgy rose]

im confused what does this mean exactly?

[strong solar]

It’s in the VRChat discord server in their announcements

[fluid pewter]

I am pretty sure that this update is only really affecting PC users since they was changing the megabyte size from 1 gigabyte two 200 MB for PC users

Quest avatars I don’t think is affected all that much because they didn’t say in a post that they wasn’t going to mess with the quest limit just yet

So it’s going to stay at 10 MB and hopefully keep it there

[dire sedge]

Hopefully they raise to 15mb but questies can never have nice things

[fluid pewter]

Honestly, I feel like they should raise the megabyte limit to honestly 50

But that is honestly too much to ask for but the reasonable amount would be 20

[strong solar]

I just don't want security checks failed on my quest stuff

[pallid bluff]

ok but im getting the secuity check thing AGAIN

[lapis current]

Or just. Not make the game quest compatible anymore unless u have a quest 3

[fluid pewter]

That right over there would be completely unfair to people that use the quest 2 or below why would you say that?

[lapis current]

Bc 20 fps is unreasonable in every world on quest 2 it’s like making games for the ps4 they should stop doing that as well

Also pc Avis should be able to keep the 1.2 gig uncompressed size shits wild

[lapis current]

The quest 2 can barely run the game

[distant forge]

i have contacted her she just doesn’t remember who uploaded it for her

[fresh nexus]

Im currently having a problem where for some reason, when I switch to android build with the sdk it continues to upload to PC. Ive tried switching back and forth between builds, restarting, making a new project but it still doesnt work for some reason. Im using the latest Bloodborne as well.

[sturdy raptor]

Im on quest 2 and run it fine, its called fixing your settings. 40+ FPS, lower mirror res and keep you hud low. limit particles and whatnot

[lapis current]

Nice

[solemn summit]

another but its probably pointless to get in touch with this guy

he used to go by lock or kinglustful. I used to do paid uploads for this guy but he kept tryin to get me to do stuff for him for free later on I found out he was claiming my work as his own. Also learned he did this with other uploaders but would also make the avi public, so chances are he didn't even upload this avi. bad guy overall, has a rep for scamming people. all this eventually caught up to him someone caught word of his doings and went and deleted all the avis on his account while he was uploading for him

[fluid pewter]

Well, that is definitely crazy

So what you’re basically saying is anyone could have uploaded it for him and passed the limit we just don’t know who exactly is the one

[elfin grove]

All the stats are grey, its an error bot

[solemn summit]

im a lil dumb for posting that, those are the PC upload size, but i know its over 10mb on quest cuz i seen him running through all the toggles and i know that avatar is not optimized for quest
also its not a grey robot cuz the guy was on quest

[hushed cairn]

I just figure away to bypass it

I have all the stuff for it for you for you to bypass it

Sometime it doesnt work but it does work for me

[zenith salmon]

Is there a catch?

And I don't think it's likely gonna work. Server side checks are impossible to defeat.

[supple maple]

When u don't know how to read :spin_rd:

[hushed cairn]

Not really I just download some stuff that

Will lower the stuff

And make it quest compatible

Some I never seen before

I'll send you the link on what you need in order for you to bypass

[strong solar]

Plz SHARE

[hazy sonnet]

indeed please do

[fluid pewter]

It’s not exactly bypassing that you’re talking about making something under the limit of 10 MB is doing it normally

It’s only bypassing if you is able to go above 10 MB like 11 12 13 100 or something like that

@hushed cairn

But if you really did figure out a way, share it to us in this channel here

[tired knoll]

@hushed cairn you got a link

[hushed cairn]

I did mine was over 200 and I figured it out and it still worked

Just go to my dms I'll send the link there

[whole shoal]

Could i get the link as well? i dmed you

[burnt phoenix]

There’s finally a way ?

[tired knoll]

Have we found the way brothers and sisters??

[teal marsh]

share it with me pls

[supple maple]

I saw a PC avatar with a lil more than 700MB uncompressed size, just fine :spin_rd:

[hushed cairn]

Yall all up in my dms please I need a break im on a vacation rn 😭

[fluid pewter]

I am sorry how are we supposed to know that you was on vacation?

Of course, everyone is still in the flying over to your discord

I’m just saying this to say it I’m not mad or being mean to you just if you have something to share. Don’t do it in the middle of a vacation do it after

[hushed cairn]

Just go to my dms and i'll send the link

Plus I dont really sharing info that I personally found out myself

[fluid pewter]

Hey, I’m still waiting on the supposed link or message you’re supposed to be sending me

I am 100% sure that you’re probably just lying to get some attention

[elfin grove]

@fluid pewter what exactly are you waiting for?

Ik a message, but like specifically

[elfin grove]

Well someone’s upset

Ok

Oof yea, upset

Mhmm

Ooofaa

I’d didn’t mean to upset you more

My bad

Mm

I was expecting a whole new paragraph tbh

As long as you been typing

We can all see it…

Anyway have a good one

Whomp whomp

“Real”

Like his paragraph

It’s Real

Alright everyone

Don’t start nothing or he’ll send your pfl

“Real”

That ain’t a pic mate

That’s a whole profile

lol

“*”

Pick a lane

Nice censor

PG movies be like

Cuz no one does

Are you speaking from experience?

lol

Making you upset is kinda easy

if just a image is doin it

I guess I’m goin too hard

If you were upset would you be sending more emojis…

Idk just curious

Sure

“I’m not angry”

Ok?

It’s called public chat

Ok

[elfin grove]

What happened?

[ivory hill]

They did a great job at getting themselves banned.

[elfin grove]

That’s what I’m sayin

[ivory hill]

You think someone that was acting like that knows what they’re talking about? It’s clear that they were lying.

[elfin grove]

For sure

Idk why they were so mad at me tho

But Ace if your still here I got a question mate?

[ivory hill]

Yeah, I’m still here.

[elfin grove]

Noice, but yea is that quest mb thing still a problem (ik you’ve probably been asked a lot) but I just wanted to know if that was still goin on

I supported your stuff before and still do I just wanted to know

[ivory hill]

Yeah, it’s still a problem.

[elfin grove]

Figured

Rest assured I’ll be back on that patreon when this gets back going

Vrc is doin some wild nonsense

Tho it’s nice to know people like you are making things easier for us

Also (nvm) what did you ban em for anyway

[ivory hill]

It was a few reasons.

[elfin grove]

Was any of em referring to me as a Pe*?

[ivory hill]

That was one of them too.

[elfin grove]

Damn

[ivory hill]

They also wanted to start arguments with everyone.

[elfin grove]

Like I said, they seemed very upset about something

[ivory hill]

Yeah, I don’t understand.

[elfin grove]

Idk what about but yea..

I just wanted to help here and saw a paragraph

And none of it being helpful, just anger

Well you have a good one Ace imma go get drunk, peace mate

[ivory hill]

Alright, have a good one too.

[fluid pewter]

For some reason, my message multiplied anyway thank you for removing the guy and sorry if I caused any issues I would just trying to stop the whole thing because of other people were messaging me about. Did I have the thing that can bypass the limit and I was getting annoyed at it because he.

[fluid pewter]

Also, he’s back inside of the server

[ivory hill]

Maybe they’ll stay quiet from now on.

[plucky terrace]

i have the same problem, when i try to upload a quest avi over 10 mb says that don't pass security checks and avi is shown as robot error, is that a server-side thing from vrchat?, or can be fixed in new updates of bloodborne SDK?

[dire sedge]

No you can't upload over 10mb for quest. VRchat checks the Avis after upload in the game now so you can't just use a modded sdk.

We need a /10mb command for this that pastes the explanation

Bcs ppl come to the end of this very long thread, odvi no one is going to read all that, asking the same questions

[plucky terrace]

oooh, ok, thx

[proven obsidian]

my avatar is under 10 and it still dont show up in game for quest

[dire sedge]

There's a 40mb uncompressed limit also, that will stop it from showing in game. So 10mb compressed 40mb uncompressed

[fluid pewter]

Hey, hello everyone, I’m just gonna send this message inside of this channel

It may help out it may not take it as you will

Apparently, someone else have been having the same issue, but they’re major by limit and uncompressed made by limit was completely OK not above the limit at all and using the normal VR chat, not blood-borne and

avatar was showing up as a robot and game a little bit of researching later, apparently they found out that VR chat is putting a block on using certain settings with particle system

Sorry, my wording is kind of weird my phone is to blame

Anyway, apparently the setting known as destroy is making avatars

Not be uploaded to VR chat because it gets checked by the servers check up and immediately turn into a robot

[whole shoal]

Do you know how to fix this? Or change it i don't know much about particle systems

[fluid pewter]

It says the inside of the picture just disable it

Wherever it must be located

[whole shoal]

Ohh okay i'll try tomorrow thank you

[hot atlas]

doing all this for mobile vrchat kinda bonkers, vrchat once again ruining things for everyone and making their game unenjoyable

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-freddy-fazbear-five-nights-at-freddy's-freddy-tweaking-freddy-gif-5311184244436515615

[open lance]

and the only reason they thought of it was because they use their phones to attend meetings in-game

[sage mesa]

Can different unity version bypass vrchat sdk

[elfin grove]

No

[fluid pewter]

No

[modern cipher]

Guys this is getting nuts now, I'm seeing lots of avatars getting cracked down and worse I'm seeing avatar world getting removed, VRChat devs have now kill there own platform, this is worse then Easy Cheat and people are not doing anything about this, we need to stop them or it will get worse then this 😒

[solemn summit]

just gotta cope at this point lol, touch grass if this update really ruins our vr experience that much lmao

[flint rover]

Hey guys, so we still can't upload beyond 10mb in quest ?

[solemn summit]

all the information you need ain't even that far up, just look🤦‍♂️

[supple maple]

Deez nuts !

[sage stone]

Still can’t upload above quest limit lol

[outer gulch]

All quest models fail if they are uploaded beyond the limit. Will there be a patch soon?

[fluid pewter]

When did this post get released? I did not see it.

[solemn summit]

aug 22nd dev update

[tired knoll]

I'm done with vrchat

its bs

we need to start review bombing VR chat again

we need to push back against the Developers!!!

I will not stand by and see my game fall into even more crap

mostly the Publishers of the game tho

[solemn summit]

nah just get gud at optimizing ur avis lol

bypass makes us lazy and we took it for granted

good stuff was still bein made on quest be4 the bypass

theres always more to learn

it isnt even easier said than done, i been doing commissions and people be asking me to do eboys n shi, 1st attempt at optimizing i get it down to 6 mb and it looked good

better than most quest avis actually

[tired knoll]

10 mb is dumb tho

I don't agree

I've made optimized avis look bad 🤢

soo bad

the limts are to much

modern hardware can do more and I wanna see it

Also the fact the quest two can handle a higher file size limit without lagging says a lot

I've been trying to learn avatar optimizing for over 2 year it took my 8 months just to get a very poor performance avi on the quest and it took me a 10 months to make a good performance avi the learning curve so freaking much. It's dumb

also if I'm paying for vrchat plus I should be able to at least upload an avatar on PC that is bigger than 500 megabytes

also if I'm also playing this fee for vrchat I should be able to upload a bigger than 10 megabytes Avatar

I've spent too much money on this game and I've gotten a little out of it and they keep on just stepping on me and spitting on my face with these limitations

it's like when a big bully sees that you made a amazing Sandcastle and he's jealous of how good it looks so we decides to kick it down and he only allows you to build a dirt hill

VR chats being a bully in this situation

and as a loyal player that has been playing since 2018 I think this is ridiculous. first it was the stupid easy anti-cheat which ruined accessibility for those who were impaired and then they had to do this. that is why I'm happy there's communities of people trying to bypass their stupid stuff.

when I started playing VR chat it felt like a game for us but now it feels corporate and taken over

and you who are just sitting by idly and saying this is fine is the reason why they have power.

[fluid pewter]

@tired knoll I would agree with most of what you’re saying as well honestly the anti-cheat feature was kind of stupid, but it did get rid of most of all of the hackers and bad people on VR chat, which was great for everyone now the game is 50% more safer

But that’s not what I am trying to say this game creating avatars and worlds are extremely easy for certain amount of people that have been doing it for half the time that other people have been doing it and it sometimes it comes out great but on the lower class

You me and everyone else to basically suffer because VR chat is pretty much making it harder for everyone,

I became a avatar creator roundabout late 2022 when I got introduced to blood-borne and people started it making avatars do certain things like have sound on quest that’s when I knew that VR chat was lying to their community telling us that these things are not possible when worlds can do that exact same thing why can it work on a more smaller scale?

And also the limit bypass also shows us that avatars beyond 10 MB work perfectly fine

[modern cipher]

@tired knoll My dude I'm with you, vrchat has gone too far on and I'm out of a job of doing my commissions, I have not made a avatar since that update came out, I honestly know they are not fixing anything and they don't care about creativity, I wanted someone to make a petition and review bomb this game, I'm sick to my stomach seeing VRChat devs just doing this and destroying other people's work, and peoples avatars are all going and even worlds. The gloves are coming off and I have had it. 😡

[open lance]

That was before they lowered the limit down to 10mb, they said "you can do cool stuff on quest avatars now" when constraints got supported on quest, but how can we have said cool stuff, when it makes our avatars go over the 10mb limit.

[edgy rose]

honestly if they just brought it up the limit up to something like 20 that would be absolutely fine but the fact its at 10 just limits us so much and as said previously stuff works perfectly fine past 10mb, vrchat keeps getting worse with every update.

[sage mesa]

Bypasser is OVER NOOOOO

[tired knoll]

We need to get are game back. go to x or whatever we have to make them realize!!! We can't let them keep doing this

[errant gust]

does this mean no more using non vrc shaders?

(like standerd transparent ones on unity)

[edgy rose]

ong

[tired knoll]

I have been playing the since 2018

[golden depot]

So bloodborne works for quest again

[tired knoll]

😭

What u mean

[golden depot]

When I uploaded to quest it gave me a robot instead of my avatar

[fluid pewter]

No, all of those still work

[errant gust]

Slay

[viscid crow]

I never thought I'd see the day but people are calling quest side the 'Demo' experience

And with these limitations, it very much feels like a demo in retrospect

And as someone who specializes in making Avatars as optimized as I can get it to put it on quest. This hurts... I've lost a lot of commissions because the avatars were just a little bit over the threshold of 10 megabytes

And other avatars I've had to delete very important aspects of just to put them on quest

[fluid pewter]

@viscid crow oculus quest have a lot of capabilities to what you can do there is games that can do so much more and look amazing for a lower end headset it just that VR chat is not really taking advantage of the power that the headset can run

[viscid crow]

I know... It's killing me how much it can handle that VRchat doesn't choose to acknowledge

[solemn summit]

skill issue

[upper aurora]

Those amazing looking games don't have user-generated content.

It's also heartwarming to see that avatar creators who shipped their commissions with a modded SDK to dodge optimization work no longer get commissions due to the recent update. Actual skill issue.

At least makes it easy for us to avoid avatar creators who don't know what they're doing.

[fluid pewter]

Actually would agree with that. There is way too many people out there that doesn’t know what they’re doing in a lie and say that they know what they’re doing. Ran into too many people scamming like that.

[solemn summit]

real

there are creators and then there are editors/uploaders, people should know the diff and be sure they are labeling them correctly

being an editor/uploader is fine as long as you ain't claiming all that work as your own and you're not making still-selling avatars public without permission from the creator

gotta have morals

[slim river]

It got worse now any avi above 10mb is a error bot at least to what I have seen

[fluid pewter]

I’m pretty sure we already knew this in avatar above the limit of 10 MB will be turned into a robot

[slim river]

I'm talking about the ones already uploaded before vrchat made it where you can't uploaded over 10 mb

They all turned into robots

[fluid pewter]

Yeah, that’s a part of the update that VR chat said on there, discord server, all avatars that are above 10 MB for quest and 200 MB for PC will be automatically turned into a robot, even if it been uploaded before the limit was set in place

But that ain’t supposed to happen into November 1

[spark wigeon]

Yeh same. One of my friends who I helped upload their avatar got turned to a bot. Ngl it sucks.

[burnt phoenix]

yea just checked on my acc messed up like 8 avis i did they better change the mb size cause its soo draning and takes away the enjoyment in creating knowing it wont go quest or if you can its gonna look poopy cause of how much you had to down grade it i hope we come up with a bypass or even if vrchat would stop being so stubborn and make the size bigger it boggles my mind that they STILL have it at 10 mb

[burnt phoenix]

this sucks im sorry for anyone that has this happen

mine werent even that big for quest the biggest one i made was only like 20 mb

idk why there so stubborn abt this stuff idek

ruins the experince from making anything in my opinion knowing my friends cant see me

[fluid pewter]

@burnt phoenix it does suck because I made quite a lot of avatar as well. Pretty good ones but I had to all delete them just a few days ago since they don’t work anymore.

[teal marsh]

HAVE YALL SEEN THE NEW RUNTIME FEEE

[fluid pewter]

?

[burnt phoenix]

yea wtf

[dire sedge]

One of my Avis went down and it was below 10mb. I'm thinking it hit that 40mb uncompressed that wasn't even a limit when I uploaded the avatar. Old avatars are being removed for limits that didn't even exist on upload so it sucks

[errant gust]

can u upload avis with the blood born sdk without it getting flaged by security?

[fluid pewter]

Yeah, it’s still possible. I have uploaded some avatars myself. Only if you don’t exceeded the limit of 10 MB is good

[errant gust]

aye less go

[burnt phoenix]

just made a avi just now for quest 9.95 mb its a robot for quest any ideas why cause ive been sitting here trying to get this to work for quite some time now

makes no sence this updates horrible

[fluid pewter]

What is the uncompressed size for the avatar?

[burnt phoenix]

wdym exactly?

for example i have a avi on there for quest rn thats 9.68 mb i made this avi im doing the same exact mb size and it still was a robot and to make matters funnier ig i saw a avi that they didnt make a robot for quest yet and it was 32 mb and showing it and i wasent lagging so i dont get there logic at all with this new tight on rules stuff dont make any sense to me

when the bypass was around none of my avis lagged me even had quest people say it dont lag them i dont get this new update bruh

so goofy

yea i see why you asked abt uncompressed wdym by that tho it confuses me a little bit like idk what you mean

😭

[fluid pewter]

@burnt phoenix VR chat added two different avatar sides limits for the game

There is the normal one which is 10 MB and the uncompressed size is a limit of 40 MB

[burnt phoenix]

ok so how i do i look at the uncompressed size limit

[fluid pewter]

Even though your avatar may be 10 MB or below it may be above the limit of 40

[burnt phoenix]

where do i find it cause that some baloney wth

new updates keeps getting worse🙏

[fluid pewter]

Go onto your VR chat click on your avatar. Go to avatar details and take a picture.

[burnt phoenix]

for pc right like go in game go to avi details right

is there no way to check it in unity

[fluid pewter]

Yes, the first option on PC

[burnt phoenix]

now how do i lower that size?

after i go check

same as making it 10 mb or what

😭 i feel like it would be lower for quest cause theres just no way

yea no that cant be the case cause this is a dif avi thats quest and look bruh this the avi i was talking abt earlier being 9.68 mb and can see it

its higher and they can see it on quest

😭

[fluid pewter]

Bro, chill I can’t even keep up with your words

[burnt phoenix]

im trying to say is that cant be the case cause look top one is not working for quest bottom is

and the bottom is bigger

uncompressed size

sorry this is annoying me gang you dont even know how i long ive been trying to get this avi quest its actually gross

sorry im being confusing im just agitated at this stuff man

makes no sense

[fluid pewter]

@burnt phoenix I’m just gonna send you the same information that I sent someone else on the server. This is how to lower your uncompressed size of the avatar.

But which your avatar is so high like that it might not work but good luck

Also, please make sure that you’re using the latest version of blood-borne and the unity,

[burnt phoenix]

alr so what i need to do is just crunch some the textures

[fluid pewter]

Yeah, try that

[burnt phoenix]

i already did that hella 😭

im not even kidding most of em are 256 520

and also you said this avis big i have old avis that are and there quest just fine so idk what the dealio is

but ill keep trying idk

i just cant understand vrc cause when the bypass was around i had a buddy put on A 80 MB avi on quest wasent lagging at all

and i was on my quest

[fluid pewter]

@burnt phoenix I don’t really get the point yeah you got avatars that are above the limit that word perfectly fine on quest

But now that we have a new update, we can’t exactly keep on doing the same things that we did before so it either never fits your avatar and keep it the same or do what we can and just make it the way that it should be made 10 MB uncompressed size 40 MB

I am mad about this update as well. I had to delete so many avatars one day. I do hope that this will be solved but at this current moment not at all

[burnt phoenix]

yea thats dumb asf

also jsut checked that avi that was 9.68 mb it was 44 uncompressed for quest

i do see what you mean now what i hate is i cant see the number of my avi that im doing rn that wont go quests uncompressed size rn in unity so i can make it lower its just a guessing game with this i hate it

[fluid pewter]

Also, by the way, you may want to turn on this over here and turn into 100 @burnt phoenix

[burnt phoenix]

ik i did that for everything also does changing the it to high quality cause problems

[burnt phoenix]

forgot to reply

[burnt phoenix]

also update its crazy how this is just not working i also went into BLENDER and lowered the size this update is peak lame

like thats unreasonable

[fluid pewter]

What variant of unity are you using?

[sour cairn]

its not gonna work stop trying

[burnt phoenix]

i got it to work yall its all good found what was making him so big

[fluid pewter]

Awesome

[burnt phoenix]

Apparently it had too many blendshapes and I wasent even using half of em

I didn’t know that a lot of blendshapes can cause problems

[fluid pewter]

OK, good at least you got it solved

[fluid pewter]

Why are you so negative all of the time

[open lance]

Also turn off mipmaps on your textures, they take up a ton on space, that helped me get my avatar down from 7mb to 3mb

[burnt phoenix]

Mipmaps where’s that located

[burnt phoenix]

Didn’t realise I didn’t reply to this but where’s that located

[open lance]

Where it gives you the option for crunch compression, its a few options above that

[sour cairn]

cuz vrchat dont care how much u complain

they not finna change it bck already so many quest palyers quit playing until vrchat ''supposedly'' brings everything back to normal

and its not gonna happen💀