anyway, this is taking over the channel

[vital wagon]

thread

haha

but im actually curious as to why this would not be as practical as i imagine it to be?

[fluid loom]

Build -> receive -> test -> oh it crashes -> make changes -> send to builder -> repeat

[vital wagon]

without the send to builder part

-> fix the error

Build -> receive -> test -> oh it crashes -> fix the error -> upload

(if you can send the unity project)

[vestal hound]

You've been answered and you respond with "but what if it wasn't"

That reads like someone who has never done a build to publish
Anyone who has can immediately see the problems with this idea

Also see what digi said

If here were this human-operated build farm, you would either be dealing with:

1. Complete braindead latchkey employees that hit a button and if anything goes wrong they just paste the error message
   or 2. Prohibatively expensive. Like, cost as much as an entire mac development ecosystem to do one build

10 dollars is an absolute pipe dream

[fluid loom]

You want a 1 to 1 build partner, if they're gonna be doing this extra stuff you want (fixing the project).. then it's gonna cost you way more than $10

[vital wagon]

well then yeah what if you could get a 1 to 1 build partner...

[fluid loom]

I'm £500 p/d

[vital wagon]

haha

[fluid loom]

8 hrs

[vestal hound]

Reasonable price honestly

[vital wagon]

but like... there is pretty cheap labor available

for 8h of ios dev you can find that for $50 if you know where to look

[vestal hound]

So it relies on exploitation, which means you CANNOT trust it

[vital wagon]

$50 for full build service?

[vital wagon]

no not really...

lol

[fluid loom]

it won't be GOOD dev

[vital wagon]

but what if it WOULD be

a good dev

[shy shadow]

this is a meaningless tautology

[vital wagon]

would you be willing to pay $50 for full build service?

thats the question

[vestal hound]

Then it would not be cheap

[shy shadow]

i would not because it would not exist

if i could have anything i wanted i'd ask for a pony

[vital wagon]

bruh it can exist...

[vestal hound]

And still no. Now the price is going up as you realize your pipe dream makes no sense

[vital wagon]

just hypothetically

[fluid loom]

then it wouldn't be $50 😄

[shy shadow]

then give me my pony

[vestal hound]

Why pay every time you need to do this instead of one time?

[fluid loom]

You're not just paying for the build service to make a build, you're paying to cover the cost of their setup..

[vital wagon]

literally... $50 per build, 1 day of work at $1000 / month in a 5 day work week... you can easily find devs to hire at this price in certain areas

[fluid loom]

and what does this $50 get you?

[vestal hound]

Minus expenses.....

It sounds like you not only don't understand how developing works, but also basic business principles

[vital wagon]

you send them your unity project and the company guarantees that they will build it for you and possibly fix errors etc

[fluid loom]

You do your own Unity -> Xcode build, you send that to the builder.. they build your iOS app and upload to testflight.?

Why would you send the entire Unity project?

[vital wagon]

in case the builder runs into issues

and needs to fix things within unity

[fluid loom]

So you just want to pay $50 to get a build back, no matter how long that takes

[vital wagon]

sure, i mean i doubt it'd take a full 8h for most cases

[vestal hound]

So $50 dollars every time or $100 that will cover every time if I just get a crappy resale mac and do it on my own.....
(Going based on how much it cost me. Could probably find cheaper ones)

[vital wagon]

sometimes 1h, sometimes 2 days, whatever, but assuming the numbers would work

[fluid loom]

and when it does, they'd not want your job because it's making them lose money

[vital wagon]

$100 mac would not be so ideal lmao and if you have the build issues in the first place with low experience you'd still have to go through 8h of pain to resolve them

[vestal hound]

It's ideal for me

[vital wagon]

vs just simply paying 50 and then not having to worry about anything

[vestal hound]

Worry about trust. Which can never be guarenteed. Plus it's $50 for every iteration and every project instead of a one time cost

[fluid loom]

anyway... Unity Cloud Build can do it: https://forum.unity.com/threads/appstore-submission-from-unity-cloud.600568/#post-5660470

[vital wagon]

i mean... there are ways trust can be established, thats no problem imo, and it could also be a subscription to have access to x builds / month

[vestal hound]

No there are not.

[vital wagon]

yes there are.

lol

[fluid loom]

build -> receive -> test -> oh it crashes -> make changes -> send to builder -> repeat

The crash I meant in this is from your game, it crashes on the 5th level. The builder isn't going to test that, nor are they going to fix that. So then how much do you have to now spend to troubleshoot and fix this?

[vital wagon]

ok this is the first fair point...

[vestal hound]

Again, you clearly have no idea how development works OR how businesses work

[vital wagon]

🤓

dev part is true, but besides the point

[fluid loom]

it's the point I made 20 mins ago 😄

Just cleared up the crash bit

[vital wagon]

then what if we were to go back to the $10 option, where one build attempt is made and if there is an error that has to be fixed within unity, it gets reported to the dev

[vestal hound]

It is the ENTIRE point. You have a ton of devs saying it makes no sense. Because that is the only perspective that matters.

But no, more worrying is that you clearly have no idea how businesses work. You are ignoring basic business 101 principles

"You can guarentee trust, AND have it cheap, AND quality people would jump at the chance"

[vital wagon]

dude im not an experienced dev thats why im asking here in this unity server and appriciate the clarifications... who are you even to talk about business lol

[fluid loom]

lol, the builder isn't testing the game. All they'd do is test that it launches and then close it and send.

If there's an error that needs fixing in Unity, that's up to the dev themselves to find and fix... if you want anything else, then you want to hire a QA house

[vestal hound]

I operate a million a year company, own my own audio business, handle bookkeeping and accounting for two others and am getting a degree in accounting

[vital wagon]

sure buddy

[vital wagon]

QA house?

[fluid loom]

Yes

[vestal hound]

Just to be clear, million a year isn't much. That isn't bragging lmfao. You asked how I know about business

[vital wagon]

but wouldnt it still be optimal to be able to have an attempt made on a mac for only $10?

[fluid loom]

no

It's just not realistic , at all

[vital wagon]

hmm ok then

thanks for the input anyways

[vital wagon]

🤓

[fluid loom]

For $10.. what you would get is someone in a third world country, downloading an xcode project, buidling, send sending it to you.. any issues and they won't know what to do or offer any assistance

[vestal hound]

Sorry I hurt your feelings with honesty I guess

[vital wagon]

yeah yeah buddy

[vestal hound]

All I can suggest is PLEASE take business 101 class. It will save you from you VERY dangerous misconceptions. You have absolutely no clue how a business works, clearly

[vital wagon]

bro 😭

this is funny

[fluid loom]

Just develop a game, you'll see how quickly this becomes not practical

I can sometimes do 50 builds a day

[vital wagon]

yeah I can see now, thx for explaining from a dev perspective

[vestal hound]

Dangerous ignorance is not funny in my opinion. I've seen it bankrupt people. But hey, make light of it if you want

[vital wagon]

brodie i dont have anything to prove to you but i can tell you have a very limited mindset when it comes to biz lmao

and thats funny to me

because youre trying to tell me to take a biz class hahaha

[vestal hound]

Yes. If you go into a business a business class is a good idea 🤷‍♂️
You'll be one to find that out the hard way I guess

[vital wagon]

sure buddy

[vestal hound]

I'm done either way. I do wish you the best

[vital wagon]

react "🤣 " if you have no idea abt business

lol

[vital wagon]

yeah, you too

[fluid loom]

mebbe you both just give up and move on now

[vital wagon]

👍

[vestal hound]

As carwash said, we should move on? Admit what though? I still think you have a lot to learn about business. Especially the kind that include payroll
You may have sold a startup, but the prices and ideas you had were just completely unrealistic in a frankly terrifying way.

That is the last time I respond. Please stop pinging me

Ahh, I see you edited your post to make a childish joke. Got it

[shy shadow]

you are exhausting.