Summary in first post

[raw mural]

Summary:

2d game
has slopes that can be on background/foreground

background must be on same physics layer as foreground (and can be placed on top of each other), so that it's easy to design levels
(optional: ground/walls are tiles)
can't disable object/tile itself in case there's something on top of it

holding up should allow player to walk up the slope instead of ahead (optional: and landing on "background" platforms)

what happens when there's a slope DOWN, and a path forward?

[forest mica]

Ok so

The steps has two colliders

One is triggered by default

The other isn’t

One of them is enabled

The other isn’t

[vast parrot]

Which one is enabled?

The Trigger or the regular one

[forest mica]

The one that is triggered

Sorry wifi is acting up

So I have no idea if you’re still here lol

Yeah more like instead of backgrounds it’s two different pathways but yes

Yeah

I mean it’s steps

You’re going up steps

Hey is @vast parrot here?

[vast parrot]

Yes I am, I just don't have anything to suggest right now

[forest mica]

Ok

Well you asked me to give you my interpretation

Okay if you’re available tomorrow wanna just pick this up tomorrow?

I really gotta destress

[raw mural]

yeah the thread won't be lost now, don't worry about it

[forest mica]

Ok

Thank you both

[raw mural]

you can close the thing on the right and it'll stay just fyi

return through the thing under code-beginner

an example picture of level would be really nice

because i'm sure i've seen that in some game but i can't remember which one

[forest mica]

So this should make it so you can go past the steps if not pressing up right?

@raw mural @vast parrot

[raw mural]

why are you disabling one?

you'll just fall through the ground

btw i thought about it and now there's a bonus question: what's the behaviour when there's a slope down

[forest mica]

That's the point?

[raw mural]

and most important question is how's your environment made

[forest mica]

You press up and the one collider is supposed to be enabled

if not, then it's disabled

but it's not working

Both colliders are always activated, no matter if I press up

[raw mural]

that's because you have 0 understanding of what you've done

[forest mica]

Hey Spr2 told me to do this

[raw mural]

it's obvious it wouldn't work, but even if it would work then why are you disabling the collider that keeps you on ground

i doubt he did, you probably misunderstood

[forest mica]

ok

what do you think he told me to do?

[raw mural]

link me

or screenshot

[forest mica]

of?

our conversation?

[raw mural]

what he told you to do

[raw mural]

hmm i don't see how that would work

maybe i need to see the rest of the conversation to understand that

but it's not like you're doing what he said either

in any case i'll continue thinking for now, with the downwards slope and walls included it's a really complicated issue

[raw mural]

ohh

makes sense

but you're not doing that

but that's a really scripted way of doing that, i don't like it

you know the difference between trigger and normal collider?

basically he says that on trigger enter/stay it should check if you're holding up to unset it from being a trigger, so that it becomes a collider, then return back to trigger on collider exit

and i see a potential problem there if you press up in front of the slope, you'd potentially get stuck inside the wall

[forest mica]

So...

how do I make a collider a child of an object?

[spark sentinel]

just make a new gameobject in player

[delicate radish]

this code will assign the first collider to both variables i hope you know

[spark sentinel]

now its child

[spark sentinel]

forget the code

forget all that

[delicate radish]

ok ok ok

[spark sentinel]

just do it via a trigger

that script is dookie

[forest mica]

Do I give it a rigidbody too?

the child?

probably

[spark sentinel]

you never wanna hard reference colliders like that

[raw mural]

summary is at top, and yes he's clearly a beginner trying to do something advanced so expect a lot of headache

[spark sentinel]

this isn't hard

[delicate radish]

itsok

colliders and stuff are hard and annoying and i am 8 years unity experience

[spark sentinel]

if player has rigidbody it should work fine for child as well

thats 2D anyway

[forest mica]

ok

[spark sentinel]

it makes a composite

[forest mica]

So I'll make a script for the child

[spark sentinel]

yes child has trigger collider + script

[raw mural]

Summary in first post

[spark sentinel]

inside script declare bool for keys

inside ontrigger enter you check for tag in collider if its"stairs" and bool is true that key is held then activate stair colliders its toching

i assume you already made a player movement script that handles moving on sloped colliders..

[forest mica]

well it can go up slopes

so yes

[spark sentinel]

ok thats fine

[forest mica]

but it does need some work

but i can worry about that later

[spark sentinel]

worry about this system first

[forest mica]

yes

[delicate radish]

i have an example: i have a child object, when you click it enables this object. it has this script on it:
this sciprt is on a child obvject with a collider that will detect colliders in its area while active, and will turn off after an animation is done

[spark sentinel]

you can dynamically set the collider size easily if you use a circle collider 2D

[delicate radish]

mayeb this helps

[spark sentinel]

this will just confusing things

[delicate radish]

ok sorry

[spark sentinel]

they're new

[forest mica]

so in the ontriggerenter2d

the collider will be disabled?

how is this?

[spark sentinel]

wait

forgot the bool

[forest mica]

private bool isUp

[spark sentinel]

here like this

[raw mural]

you're essentially destroying stairs if you're not holding up though

[forest mica]

this good?

[raw mural]

and touching the stair collider is bad in general, in case there are enemies on it

[delicate radish]

so what i understand, you want a collider to act as a ramp to make you go upstairs if you are pressing up?

[forest mica]

yes

[raw mural]

thread will stay for a week of inactivity so take your time to think about the solution

[delicate radish]

so, you shoudl want collider enabled if isUp is true right?

[raw mural]

@delicate radish and down*

[spark sentinel]

did you look at my image @forest mica

[forest mica]

yes

[raw mural]

and ideally they should be on same physics layer

[delicate radish]

small thing, you dont need to do
if (isUp == true)
you can just do
if (isUp)

[forest mica]

And it!

....

still doesn't work

[spark sentinel]

what did u do

show the full scene and inspector

with new code

it works on my end

[raw mural]

nothing good, he disables random collider if holding up above stairs

[spark sentinel]

random collider?

[raw mural]

getcomponent

[spark sentinel]

how's it a "random" collider

[spark sentinel]

so you did nothing Like i said huh..

[delicate radish]

A

[raw mural]

yeah he tends to do that

[delicate radish]

trying Input.GetKey instead of Input.GetKeyUp

[forest mica]

what?

[delicate radish]

GetKeyUp only works ont eh frame it is pressed

[spark sentinel]

its actually when its released

[delicate radish]

sorry, right

[raw mural]

anything not referenced is random to me, since he may add another collider or move the script to another object and the issue will be hard to find

[forest mica]

doesn't do anything

[spark sentinel]

no idea what ur talking about the reference is checked there on collision..

[forest mica]

So Null what am I missing?

[spark sentinel]

what he did in the first script is completely wrong and hard coded... it would never work

[delicate radish]

and you want collilder to be enabled if key is down right? right now you are setting it to disabled if key is down

[raw mural]

literally nothing here would work though

[spark sentinel]

what are u talking about lol I just tested what I sent him and it works

[raw mural]

oh wait i see what you did there

[spark sentinel]

yes why wouldn't i

[delicate radish]

@forest mica in Update() try this:
GetComponent<Collider2D>().enabled = Input.GetKey(KeyCode.Up);

[spark sentinel]

the radius is also bigger

[raw mural]

yeah that's essentially what SPR2 did but backwards, disabling stairs instead of player component

[delicate radish]

erase the rest of the code

[spark sentinel]

bro no

please dont

[forest mica]

ok i wont

[spark sentinel]

now u r just trolling

[delicate radish]

its a good test

its bad code i know but it will test if its a code problem or a component config problem

[spark sentinel]

alright move on cause trolling isn't helpful and can get u muted

[forest mica]

he's supposed to move through the steps if he's not alright climbing it

[delicate radish]

im not trolling i swear

ill stop if im not helpful sorry

[spark sentinel]

please do

thanks

[spark sentinel]

you need to make the trigger around player a few sizes bigger then the player

[raw mural]

@spark sentinel there's also the issue of pressing up when in front of stairs and jumping though

in this case you'd need to hold up ahead of time and the whole thing isn't ideal if using tiles

[raw mural]

that's probably irrelevant for grinch though

[spark sentinel]

biggger because it has to be ahead of the player when hes walking

[spark sentinel]

ehh guess Ill show you , let me get to my workstation

[raw mural]

crank it up to double~triple size of player

[spark sentinel]

right

[forest mica]

aight then what?

[spark sentinel]

put the script on the trigger, and fix it to True

[forest mica]

it already is?

[spark sentinel]

ok

this is still a wonky way of doing it tho

few problem comes, like whathappens when other physics objects collide with slope, should they ignore it..

[forest mica]

yeah dw no enemies are going up or down steps

and projectiles will pass through them

[spark sentinel]

how did u manage to even fuckup copy and paste

look carefully at ontrigger enter is true

[forest mica]

oh hold on

this?

yes?

Doesn't work so guess not

[spark sentinel]

doesnt work ?

[forest mica]

nope

[spark sentinel]

did tag correctly the ladder

[forest mica]

i wonder if there's something that's keeping it from not workin

yeah

[spark sentinel]

check console for error

[forest mica]

no errors

oh now i get this

[spark sentinel]

screenshot inspector ladder collision

[spark sentinel]

that should not be trigger but Uh.. mybad

it needs Collider2D

ins script

[forest mica]

what needs Collider2D?

[spark sentinel]

but yeah stairs shouldnt be triggers..

[forest mica]

yeah i was thinking that

okay here's what's happening

he goes up the slope when NOT pressed

but when I pressed and release he immediately falls through the slope.

and won't go back up the slope

so we might be getting somewhere

[spark sentinel]

ok now its just a matter of adding some checks to improve it

[forest mica]

yes but why is it going up when I'm not pressing the key but falls through the slope when I press and release up?

[raw mural]

because that's what the code does

[forest mica]

I... wanted to do the opposite LMAO

[raw mural]

then fix it

[forest mica]

Well simply reversing it just gives me the same problem as before

[raw mural]

code does exactly what you tell it to.

if you don't understand what you're telling it to do, then why are you surprised

[forest mica]

bro

@spark sentinel you said it works for you? what is it doing for you?

[raw mural]

if you can make a step-by-step comment of what something should do, it wouldn't be an issue though. you're only commenting the result you want, and that's why it's so difficult for you

[forest mica]

okay here

[spark sentinel]

I got it

instead of disabling collider

just switch it to trigger

[forest mica]

1. When you are not pressing up, you should be able to walk through
2. When you are pressing up and touching the steps, the player should automatically be moving up the steps
3. When pressing down, you should go down

[spark sentinel]

and non-trigger

[forest mica]

How do I do that?

[delicate radish]

ah

[spark sentinel]

set the stairs in the beginning to be triggers

[delicate radish]

there is multiple colliders here

[spark sentinel]

no

[raw mural]

congratulations, we've now reached the point from 1 hour ago

[forest mica]

aight

[spark sentinel]

the issue is it cant find the collider when its disabled

[delicate radish]

no? on for up, one for not go down

ok ok

[spark sentinel]

thats another issue

that can be fixed raycasting down to check floor is a stairs then dont disable or similiar

[delicate radish]

yes i think focus on going upstair first

then goign downstairs

but im sure you know this

[forest mica]

yes

[spark sentinel]

@forest mica

ignore listcols

just look at instead of .enabled do isTrigger

[forest mica]

don't write that line?

[spark sentinel]

nah dont copy any of it just change it to trigger

[forest mica]

got it

[delicate radish]

@spark sentinel this will set to true and stay true

[raw mural]

see, you're missing the point. if you turn it into code here's the result of that:

if(!pressingUp){ result1_WalkThrough(); }
else if(touchingSteps) { result2_MoveUp(); }
if(pressingDown) { result3_GoDown(); }

so all you just said is condition and result, not step-by-step instructions

[forest mica]

oh

so what's happening now is

I walk past the steps. but then the thing activates and i can't walk through them anymore

like, lemme show a vid

Mind the Christmas music

[delicate radish]

what kind of collider does your steps have?

[forest mica]

Box

A rotated box

[delicate radish]

can you show a screenshot of your stairs collider

maybe it's too steep ?

[forest mica]

he can go up them

[delicate radish]

ok, play and get intot eh situation where you are stuc, and select everythign in scene, it will show all colliders

maybe you're stuck on something else

[spark sentinel]

sorry here

they were inversed

since they went from enabled/disable to trigger On/off

[forest mica]

I can move through it but i can't go up when i press up

[delicate radish]

can you show what it looks like in scene view

[forest mica]

oop i knew what it was

the last trigger shoulda been false

[spark sentinel]

@forest mica

[forest mica]

so then he's supposed to be able to pass through when he exits the trigger

but he doesn't

he still climbs down

is it because the collider is big?

okay here's problem

the trigger activates even when i'm not touching the steps

and you can't turn it off

[spark sentinel]

btw you have to fix this cs private void OnTriggerExit2D(Collider2D collision) { if (collision.CompareTag("Stairs")) { collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger = true; } } @forest mica

[delicate radish]

i have a really lazy stupid solution to this but i think null will be mad at me

[forest mica]

Does it involve pizza?

[delicate radish]

yes

[forest mica]

I’m game

Okay we’re back to it won’t go up when I press up

[delicate radish]

make a static variable that tracks if you are pressing up

[forest mica]

I did that

[delicate radish]

and then in every collider, in update you set enabled = that static variable is true

[forest mica]

I’m an idiot

I’m the trigger exit

[spark sentinel]

just stop talking

[forest mica]

IsUp should be false right?

Cause you’re not pressing up anymore

[spark sentinel]

this will work 100%

just tested it

 bool isUpKeyHeldOrWhatever;
    void Update()
    {
        isUpKeyHeldOrWhatever = Input.GetKey(KeyCode.W);
    }
    private void OnTriggerStay2D(Collider2D collision)
    {
        if (collision.CompareTag("Stairs"))
        {
            if (isUpKeyHeldOrWhatever)
            {
                collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger = false;

            }
            else
            {
                collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger = true;
            }
        }
    }
    private void OnTriggerExit2D(Collider2D collision)
    {
        if (collision.CompareTag("Stairs"))
        {
            if(!collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger)
            collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger = true;
        }
    }``` @forest mica

[delicate radish]

I feel like you are trolling me now

[spark sentinel]

can you just quit spamming nonsense

you're not helpful

[delicate radish]

ok give me a sec

` if (isUpKeyHeldOrWhatever)
{
collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger = false;

        }
        else
        {
            collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger = true;
        }`

is the same as
collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger = ~isUpKeyHeldOrWhatever ;
is the same as
collision.GetComponent<Collider2D>().isTrigger = ~Input.GetKey(KeyCode.W)

you said i was trolling for initially suggesting this and now you sugges tthe same thing!

i am trying to help

[forest mica]

And...

it doesn't work

Fuck my life 🤣

[spark sentinel]

stop saying it doesnt work

cause it works

[forest mica]

...because the key was wrong LMAO

Okay so...

[spark sentinel]

@forest mica

[forest mica]

It works

[raw mural]

yeah but the fundamental issues are still here, let's just stay silent until they realize it the hard way. it's kinda important for learning process too so eh

[forest mica]

So my question now remains

[delicate radish]

im trying to help i just dont liek being told to shut up

[spark sentinel]

if you're so Enlighted why don't u say something useful instead

[forest mica]

if he's on the steps, can I make it so he stays on the steps even when I let go of Up?

[raw mural]

you can look at the stuff at the start and try to help me instead, null's solution would break multiple times with those rules

[spark sentinel]

cause i got them closer to their goal and yall just bickering

anyway

im off

goodluck @forest mica

[forest mica]

oh

@spark sentinel can we continue this another time?

There's still some stuff I wanna iron out

[spark sentinel]

maybe bigger brain & dingus can help @raw mural @delicate radish

[forest mica]

Like having him stay on the steps even when you release up

[delicate radish]

no hate null you were helpful

[forest mica]

also they're just trying to help too

but much appreciate the help!

[delicate radish]

maybe i can help

[forest mica]

let's continue this tomorrow

it's getting late here

[raw mural]

@delicate radish can't pin in threads for some reason

[spark sentinel]

just raycast down from player feet and if there is stairs tag underneath then don't make it trigger

[forest mica]

ok

i'll try that tomorrow

thank you

[delicate radish]

i have no idea how you @ you smiley person

[raw mural]

dot

[delicate radish]

@raw mural ok

are you workign on a game using tilemaps?

[forest mica]

yes

[delicate radish]

is it isometric

[forest mica]

for the floor

it's a 2d sidescroller

[raw mural]

it was an old idea that i never got around to since i'm focusing on 3d project for now @delicate radish

[delicate radish]

oh ok

[forest mica]

action platformer

[delicate radish]

ok wait is the question abtou 2d layer or 3d

[forest mica]

2D

[raw mural]

2d tiles + spriteshape

[forest mica]

it's a 2D action platformer

[delicate radish]

so a 2d sidscroller

with tilemaps

[raw mural]

so basically assume worst case scenario

[forest mica]

well the floor has tiles?

the platforms will presumably have tiles

[delicate radish]

ok i think

try multiple tilemaps

[forest mica]

is that how you add textures to platforms or ground?

[delicate radish]

with different sorting layers

yeah

[forest mica]

I can do a groundcheck

I have ground layer and ground tag

I have ladder layer and tag

[delicate radish]

i am working on a top down isometric rpg

[forest mica]

oh

[delicate radish]

one sec let me show

[forest mica]

I'm doing a sidescroller 2d action platformer based on Castlevania

[delicate radish]

so there is 3 layers here

[forest mica]

And God help me I hope this ladder shit is the hardest part

[delicate radish]

there is ground, object(with tree trunks) and foreground for liek treetops

[raw mural]

@delicate radish that looks great for something mspainted @_@

[delicate radish]

hahaha ty

[raw mural]

weird perspective on objects though

[delicate radish]

im not an artist ;-;

[forest mica]

I still gotta figure out how to do enemy behaviors, a basic attack, a special attack that runs on ammo, a secondary special attack that you can swap with the primary special attack, moving platforms

[raw mural]

neither am i, that's why i ended up going with 3d project as priority

[forest mica]

I got six months

[delicate radish]

omg 3d is so much harder than 2d

[forest mica]

think I can do that in six months?

i think i can do it

with some good tutorials and my previous programming experience to boot

[delicate radish]

are you in a school project

[forest mica]

yeah

senior capstone

[delicate radish]

cool

unity isn't complicated

[raw mural]

yeah but with good shaders even test scenes look nice

[delicate radish]

very nice

great fog effect

[raw mural]

it's literally gradient to skybox

[delicate radish]

but it's noisy

those clouds look nice

ok anyway in terms of 2d layering

lol

there is a depth sorting, usually things higher up are further back so you sort by y

sp in you project settings you want this

then you can place wall sprite to block things behing them

[raw mural]

in my case i'd want to avoid depth sorting so that i could copypaste preset level chunks

[delicate radish]

you can sopy pasy with depth sorting

all depth sorting does is deside what is drawn over what

[raw mural]

let me ms paint that

[forest mica]

thanks guys! i'll continue this tomorrow

though i have to go to a church service tomorrow and I also gotta work on art so we'll see

[raw mural]

so let's assume we already have the minor headache

and then we add a major

[forest mica]

Is this for my project?

Or for his?

[raw mural]

mine, in theory

[forest mica]

Oh ok

[raw mural]

trying to sort through all layers to figure out if everything works as intended would be really annoying unless these layers are limited

@forest mica which castlevania had slopes like that btw?

[forest mica]

Ever since the first Castlevania you had steps that if you go up then they take you to different paths

And you could always walk past them but if you press up while touching them you go up the steps

[raw mural]

yeah i looked at it, looks like they limited layers

in that case yeah the solution is simple, just depends on how good you want it to feel

[forest mica]

Ok tomorrow

[forest mica]

Okay so you said you had a simple solution?

Lemme work on Null’s thing a little more too first

[forest mica]

Aight so Null's thing works fine. I modified it and it's working fine.

Now I need to figure out how to make it so he moves up the steps when you press up.