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final steeple
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yes

granite viper
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gotcha

final steeple
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But the GC Unity uses doesn't actually move anything, since it's a non-compacting GC

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Hence why it's not a problem there, for now

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That's actually part of why Unity is taking so long to move to CoreCLR

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The engine assumes a non-moving GC all over the place internally

urban warren
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What about UnsafeUtility.PinGCObjectAndGetAddress? or is that something different?

final steeple
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That is safer yes

plucky laurel
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clarify about different values, what format is the graph in?

final steeple
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Safer at a slight performance cost

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You also need to call ReleaseGCObject after you've set the value after

south ibex
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both have the same base class

plucky laurel
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i mean, you said you are parsing, is it some json?

final steeple
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var offset    = UnsafeUtility.GetFieldOffset(field);
var address   = (byte*)UnsafeUtility.PinGCObjectAndGetAddress(obj, out ulong handle);
ref int field = ref *(int*)(address + offset);
// set the field here
UnsafeUtility.ReleaseGCObject(handle);
plucky laurel
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what are you parsing it from/to?

granite viper
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@urban warren do you need to have the fields you're controlling be raw values?

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can you do a wrapper class

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that would allow you to manage stuff behind the scenes without having to deal with reflection

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and you can use generics to make accessing less obnoxious

urban warren
granite viper
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you're doing the windcontroller thing right

urban warren
south ibex
south ibex
granite viper
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That has a getvalue function or something

urban warren
granite viper
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I'm confused

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Oh wait, I think I get it

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You want to create a unity event style popup (for example) that allows you to select and sync a value from another class

urban warren
granite viper
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So your issue isn't the reciever it's the field you're getting values from

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I thought this was a more structured thing

plucky laurel
# south ibex anything that wants the data

if you want to serialize objects you can use some library like Json.Net, it handles graphs fine by itself, and result is a json string.
You can extend it with custom converters to handle unity types like textures etc

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then you would convert a texture reference to its project guid

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and vice versa

granite viper
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I thought your issue was setting it bc you were talking about setting values

urban warren
granite viper
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Hm

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Are these your requirements

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Are is this someone else's

urban warren
granite viper
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if I were trying to do this I would probably approach it like each shared value is a scriptableobject-like thing

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doesn't have to be, but it's the closest example

final steeple
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here's some fun

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static class ReflectionUtility
{
    static readonly uint s_ObjectHeaderSize = GetObjectHeaderSize();

    public static ref TField GetValueRef<TType, TField>(ref TType value, FieldInfo field)
        where TType : struct
    {
        Debug.Assert(typeof(TType) == field.DeclaringType);
        Debug.Assert(field.FieldType.IsAssignableFrom(typeof(TField)));
        var offset = (uint)UnsafeUtility.GetFieldOffset(field);
        return ref Unsafe.AddByteOffset(ref Unsafe.As<TType, TField>(ref value), offset);
    }

    public static ref TField GetValueRef<TField>(object obj, FieldInfo field)
    {
        Debug.Assert(field.FieldType.IsAssignableFrom(typeof(TField)));
        Debug.Assert(field.DeclaringType.IsAssignableFrom(obj.GetType()));
        var offset = (uint)UnsafeUtility.GetFieldOffset(field);

        if (!obj.GetType().IsValueType)
            offset -= s_ObjectHeaderSize;

        return ref Unsafe.AddByteOffset(ref Unsafe.As<StrongBox<TField>>(obj).Value, offset);
    }

    static unsafe uint GetObjectHeaderSize()
    {
        var box = new StrongBox<byte>();

        fixed (byte* pValue = &box.Value)
        {
            ref byte a = ref *(byte*)Unsafe.As<StrongBox<byte>, nuint>(ref box);
            ref byte b = ref *pValue;
            return (uint)Unsafe.ByteOffset(ref a, ref b);
        }
    }
}
granite viper
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that is fun

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@urban warren so in other words, you have some kind of central data store for all your shared values and it handles getting and setting centrally

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so what you get in your local component is a wrapper class that talks to that db

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no reflection necessary, and no weird writing of unsafe values

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plus the intent is a lot clearer

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in the code, that is

urban warren
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I don't think I understand. How would that work?

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Would I need to create a wrapper class for each field/set of fields?

urban warren
final steeple
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You need to cache GetFieldOffset

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PinGCObjectAndGetAddress also has overhead

granite viper
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super sketch framework:


class SharedDatabase {
  public static Dictionary<guid,SharedValue> values;
}

class SharedValue {
  public object value; // or spell it out a la serializedobject
  public T GetValue<T> () {
    return value as T;
  }
}

class SharedValueWrapper<T> {
  guid mySharedId;

  public T GetValue () {
    return SharedDatabase.values[ mySharedId ].GetValue<T>(); 
  }  
}```
final steeple
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Since it creates a GCHandle

granite viper
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and the same idea for setvalue

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your editor code would manage the creation and syncing of guids and such

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SharedValueWrapper is what would be serialized in your component

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since unity supports generics now you can make it generic and have clean conversions

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you could even do operator overloads and stuff to make it invisible to get

urban warren
granite viper
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SharedDatabase could be an SO

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too

final steeple
urban warren
granite viper
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I mean that you replace the fields

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with the wrapper class

final steeple
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That's also going to be quite allocatey for value types

granite viper
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there are no fields

final steeple
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Since you're boxing them

granite viper
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yeah, obviously you can replace that with a variant

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or whatever you want

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just sketching it out

urban warren
granite viper
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lists are references

final steeple
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Nope

granite viper
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so no

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it's just a pointer

final steeple
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And even if they weren't, that API would still give you an adjusted offset

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Otherwise the API would betray its purpose

urban warren
granite viper
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@urban warren my point is that syncing the fields directly is unintuitive behaviour. It makes more sense to keep a single source of truth for the data

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since as you said it's shared

granite viper
urban warren
final steeple
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Yeah the offset won't change

granite viper
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why can't you replace the fields with a class wrapper

final steeple
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It's a runtime constant

urban warren
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So I want it to work with any existing field/property/method without any modification

granite viper
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I question the wisdom of allowing anything in your codebase to indirectly change anything else in your codebase

urban warren
final steeple
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Yeah, System.Runtime.CompilerServices.Unsafe.dll

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You can download the package, open the nupkg in 7zip or whatever, browse to lib\netstandard2.0 and copy the .dll and .xml into your project

granite viper
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I would make it an explicit wrapper class just because then it signposts that this value is not controlled by this class

urban warren
granite viper
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what's the problem?

urban warren
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To let you use an editor to connect systems together. Like lets say you have a cloud/sky system, a foliage shader, and a water shader. They all of controls for like 'wind`, so I want to let you connect all of them together in the editor so one will change all of the others

granite viper
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oh ok I think I get it

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you're dealing with stuff that's outside your control

urban warren
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yeah

granite viper
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nvm then 😄

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I would still probably have a central database to manage such values

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but then the endpoints would be serialized as references to such and such class and field

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so that when you're writing to it you're always writing to the SSoT

urban warren
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That's the plan

granite viper
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cool beans

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then ignore me haha

urban warren
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Hahaha, I appreciate it though!

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@final steeple so like, this is really cool and I am kind of wondering why I haven't seen this before...?
Like it seems to good to be true... like... whats the catch...?

(Also, I do plan on reading more on the topic so I can actually understand better what is going on)

final steeple
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It's just a really low-level thing, and low-level things tend to not be common knowledge

urban warren
final steeple
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It's an endless hole lmao

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Once you think you've seen the bottom, you only learn it just gets deeper

granite viper
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especially when you're in a managed lang like C#

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you're pretty insulated from the underlying hardware

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and data

final steeple
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You say that, and then here I am writing assembly in C# picardy

granite viper
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haha

final steeple
granite viper
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butwhy.gif

final steeple
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I was using it for an experiment in doing code injection entirely in C#

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If you can output assembly in C#, you can write that assembly into another process

granite viper
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hm

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cool stuff

final steeple
granite viper
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strongbox is a fun type name

final steeple
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It's pretty handy when doing unsafe stuff with classes

granite viper
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I just enjoy the double entendre

hollow garden
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how do yall learn all that unsafe shit

granite viper
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by poking

hollow garden
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looks like magic to me

final steeple
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I don't even know myself

granite viper
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usually

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and trial and error

final steeple
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Like, I legitimately do not know how I learnt all this stuff

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I just picked it up as I went

hollow garden
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fair enough

final steeple
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and suddenly had a brain that was 90% unsafe code knowledge

granite viper
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lol

urban warren
final steeple
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I've lost count of how many times I've posted some low-level code or knowledge and the response is "wtf, how do you know this?"

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it's like a code party trick

hollow garden
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this happens everytime i post rust code im proud of

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but i still know nothing about unsafe lmao

urban warren
hollow garden
urban warren
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same

hollow garden
final steeple
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void*

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or, if we're talking rust

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*mut c_void picardy

round pawn
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Hi, I'm rewriting Sebastian Lague's marching cubes algorithms, and I've checked the mesh building pipeline many many times over but can't find the cause of this spaghetti. Here's the two scripts:
MeshGenerator.cs:
https://pastebin.com/aXSekMEN
MarchingCubes.compute:
https://pastebin.com/Wsu8L6DC

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The main function in MeshGenerator concerned with construction is UpdateChunkMesh()

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Any pointers are much appreciated!

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I'm *fairly* certain that the issue lies in the C# code, but I can't figure out where or how to fix it

tender badger
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Is this a good optimization method?

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    void Update()
    {
        if (Random.value > 0.95) {
            if (!(itself.GetComponent<Animator>().GetComponent<Animation>() == null)) {
                if (playAnimation){
                    if (!itself.GetComponent<Animator>().GetComponent<Animation>().isPlaying) {
                        itself.GetComponent<Animator>().GetComponent<Animation>().Play();
                    }
                } else {
                    itself.GetComponent<Animator>().GetComponent<Animation>().Stop();
                }
            }
        }
    }
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This update method was using 30% of my frame time, so I made it run every 20th frame on average with that random value and now it's only using 8%.

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It feels like a really bad practice, but if it works it works...

long ivy
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yikes

shadow seal
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Would it not be better to use an actual number to track the frames before it runs all this?

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Rather than relying on chance

long ivy
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I hate everything about that snippet

shadow seal
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And all those GetComponents, why?

tender badger
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I considered that at first, but then I realized that that would just make it stutter. It would just cause a big lag spike every x frames where x is the value.

tender badger
hardy girder
shadow seal
hardy girder
granite viper
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you can cache the result of getComponent into a variable

shadow seal
tender badger
hardy girder
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^

shadow seal
long ivy
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cache the Animation. Delete the Animator GetComponent entirely since it does nothing

tender badger
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Oh, right, let's try that.

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What do you mean with the second one?

hardy girder
tender badger
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Should I just do this? itself.GetComponent<Animator>().Play()

long ivy
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not if you're calling it every frame

shadow seal
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Maybe then you won't need the chance run madness

tender badger
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Is this better?

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using System.Collections;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using UnityEngine;

public class SpaceSystemAnimationController : MonoBehaviour
{
    public GameObject itself;
    public bool playAnimation;

    private Animator animator;

    void Start()
    {
        animator = itself.GetComponent<Animator>();
    }

    void Update()
    {
        if (!(animator == null)) {
            if (playAnimation){
                if (!animator.isPlaying) {
                    animator.Play();
                }
            } else {
                animator.Stop();
            }
        }
    }
}
shadow seal
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Yeah, avoids the GetComponents

tender badger
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Hmm, I can probably check whether the animator is already stopped before stopping it.

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Like this:

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    void Update()
    {
        if (!(animator == null)) {
            if (playAnimation){
                if (!animator.isPlaying) {
                    animator.Play();
                }
            } else {
                if (animator.isPlaying) {
                    animator.Stop();
                }
            }
        }
    }
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Actually, wait, I just realized I can combine those if statements with an &&.

long ivy
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if this is a very hot code path, you can optimize even further by eliminating the null check (are you destroying individual components on a GO that makes this a fear?) and caching isPlaying too in your script to avoid the overhead of another call

tender badger
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It's because I'm using this script with a prefab, and some instances of a prefab are animated whereas others aren't, so I have to do it.

gentle topaz
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that's when you split functionality

tender badger
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Made it slightly better, I think:

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    void Update()
    {
        if (!(animator == null)) {
            if (playAnimation && !animator.isPlaying) {
                animator.Play();
            } else if (animator.isPlaying) {
                animator.Stop();
            }
        }
    }
tender badger
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I suppose I can do that, it should only be 8 or so prefabs in total...

raw schooner
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void Update()
{
    if (animator == null)
        return;

    if (animator.isPlaying) animator.Stop();
    else if (playAnimation) animator.Play();
}
gentle topaz
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that will permanently stop the animator from playing

sly grove
raw schooner
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oo, true

gentle topaz
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or rather it will flicker between stop and play if playAnimation is true

raw schooner
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yeah

sly grove
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Although not totally following this discussion so not sure it's appropriate to your use case

tender badger
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I'm guessing this amount of calls is undesirable:

unknown.png
sly grove
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The time it takes it what really matters

tender badger
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Here's the thing:

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For anyone out of the loop (I recognize some members that have replied to me a few hours ago), read this message and the five or so after that:

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It will be very hard to support big galaxy sizes, if it's barely working at 5000...

shadow seal
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Sounds more like a DOTS thing

tender badger
tender badger
shadow seal
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I think it's really just weird to base running that code off chance

tender badger
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Well, is there any other way to spread it out over frames, instead of having all of it run once every x frames?

shadow seal
sage radish
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Are you saying each star has this animation controller script?

tender badger
shadow seal
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Data Oriented Technology Stack

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Can't you use 2D with Entities?

tender badger
shadow seal
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Because I remember I was able to have hundreds of thousands of cubes all moving in a scene using DOTS

gentle topaz
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yeah so, this is kind of like trying to make minecraft where each block is its own gameobject

shadow seal
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Pretty basic, but fun to watch

gentle topaz
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at the moment

tender badger
shadow seal
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It's beyond me, I followed a tutorial

sage radish
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ECS is good for simulating many entities. If all you need is to render them, you can do that with your own GPU instancing drawing.

tender badger
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Can I see that same tutorial?

tender badger
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I've come across this GPU instancing many times now, but I can't wrap my head around it.

sage radish
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GPU instancing is something all modern GPUs are capable of. Instead of sending individual draw calls to the gpu for each sprite, you send one draw call saying "draw this star 5000 times" or however many times you need.

shadow seal
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There's one with Tacos

tender badger
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Well, none of them showed how to do it in 2D - all of them were for 3D.

sage radish
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2D is 3D

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Everything on the GPU is 3D. 2D is just flat 3D

tender badger
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The code I've found at least requires you to have some kind of mesh, which I don't think I have, and also a custom material which I don't really know how Unity materials work.

sage radish
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Sprites are meshes. You just don't see them when working with SpriteRenderer.

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Quads usually, which are just flat squares.

tender badger
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It would be awesome if someone could take a look at my situation (I would be willing to VC + stream) and walk me through it step-by-step. I hate it to be begging for help like this, but it's the only way I see me getting GPU instancing in a reasonable time.

craggy spear
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Ero gave you a good way to write your method, but just wanted to add
This is a really confusing way to write this
if (!(animator == null))

Should do this instead
if (animator != null)

round pawn
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Got it working :]

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I had accidentally written > instead of >=

tender badger
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Question, does Unity cull automatically?

plucky laurel
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frustum culling for game objects is supported out of the box, afaik

tender badger
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Nice, I reduced a few more GetComponent calls and the FPS went up even more.

plucky laurel
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other types of culling depend on many factors

tender badger
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Back to the topic, does it apply to 2D sprites as well?

plucky laurel
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it should, sprites are essentially 3d objects

tender badger
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Because basically, if I zoom into my galaxy, I don't want it to render all of the stars outside of the view. (Of which there are many...)

plucky laurel
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how are your stars implemented?

tender badger
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2D Sprite prefab, then when you start the game it goes through the star list of the galaxy object and for every star it spawns a clone of the prefab.

plucky laurel
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are the stars funtional?

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if they are decorative, you can optimize it by using a particle system

tender badger
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They are. Clicking on them pulls up information, and in the future will do other things. (Like double clicking to open the system map for that star and a button to jump your ship to said system.)

plucky laurel
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that will reduce amount of gameobjects, and render in a single draw call, however static sprites should be dirt cheap to render

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monobehaviors receive culling events btw, you can test how they work

tender badger
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I've been told to use GPU Instancing, and from what I've seen it it works wonders, but I don't have any idea how to use them. I've watched tutorials, but they do things that...how to say, don't apply to my situation?

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I guess I can try to make them static to see if it improves them at least a bit, as the stars don't move around.

plucky laurel
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by static i mean just not moving

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unless you are using a plugin or you write custom instancing solution the only thing you can do is tick "gpu instanced" flag on the material, but i have no idea how it works with sprites

tender badger
tender badger
sage radish
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One benefit of rendering stars is that you don't have to worry about sorting, because they should be rendered with additive blending.

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But I'm not sure if you can disable sorting on SpriteRenderers.

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You can with particle systems

tender badger
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Assuming I can, how would I do it?

plucky laurel
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yeah particles are good at solving all kinds of things

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bullet holes, footprints, muzzle flashes 1 particle system for each of those

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you can set particle data on runtime, as arrays of positions/rotations

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depending on how dense the galaxy is you can greatly speed it all up if you ditch gameobjects alltogether

tender badger
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Can particles do on click things?

plucky laurel
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particles just render

tender badger
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I don't care about physics simulation, I just want them to be things you can click on to pull up a menu and stuff.

sage radish
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@tender badger How long have you been using Unity at this point? This seems like a pretty big project.

tender badger
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1-2 Weeks lol

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I wouldn't say it's a big project, although it's not small either.

plucky laurel
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you dont need to worry about clicking, if you use particles to render the only change is that you disable the sprite renderers on stars

tender badger
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Huh, that sounds like something.

plucky laurel
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replace each individual renderer with "render once with particles"

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basically manual batching lol

tender badger
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How would I do that?

plucky laurel
tender badger
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I mean the actual code, like, what methods/variables would I need to use.

plucky laurel
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read the api

tender badger
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Do I just search for particles on the Unity docs?

plucky laurel
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should be your first impulse

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default action when meeting the unity unknown

sage radish
tender badger
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Not really.

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I mean, it's hard to describe. In which aspect?

sage radish
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What kind of scale are we talking about? You talked about generating galaxies. The Milky Way has over 100 billion stars.

tender badger
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There's a randomly generated galaxy, and I took a little inspiration from the GUI, but that's where the similarities end. SE has a realistically sized universe with billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars, as well as kinds of real life simulating and rendering. I'm only generating a single galaxy, based on far simpler math and with little to no active simulation, I'm aiming to have 100k stars be the upper limit (I would prefer 1 million, but that seems like a pipe dream considering anything above 10000 is laggy), and in general the galaxy is supposed to just be the environment for the actual game I will make. (You'll be controlling a spaceship and will be able to do things like mining resources and fight hostiles. It will all be in an arcade-y pixel art style with almost no actual physics simulation.)

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So yeah, let's say I would prefer to get decent performance while rendering things in amounts on the order of 100000.

sly grove
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You will need to use the stuff I mentioned that you found too hard to do that, unfortunately

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e.g. DrawMeshInstanceIndirect

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Or use DOTS and its renderer which is designed for that

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Or maybe VFX graph

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these are all options

tender badger
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What is VFX graph? I don't think you explained that yet.

sage radish
# tender badger There's a randomly generated galaxy, and I took a little inspiration from the GU...

This sounds like a very cool game, but it sounds a lot bigger than someone with 1-2 weeks of experience can handle. It's definitely not unreasonable for one developer to make in a reasonable amount of time (it's not like this is No Man's Sky), but only if that developer already has at least a few years of experience. I promise you, a beginner is really going to struggle with this. And this sounds like something you're passionate about, you probably want to see it done properly. I recommend revisiting this idea in a year.

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Consider focusing on one smaller aspect of the idea first. Something you can more easily handle.

sly grove
tender badger
sage radish
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Would you never zoom into the solar system the player's spaceship is currently in?

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How would combat work if the view is zoomed out many light years away?

tender badger
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I did want to make it a continuous map at first, but I decided that that probably would be too complex, so I think I'll probably make the galaxy view and star system view a separate scene.

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And double clicking on any star in the galaxy view would open its system view.

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Maybe I could even have a fake continuous zoom by making it so that when it loads the system view scene, it zooms in onto the central star a bit to basically trick the player into thinking it's continuous, but it's actually not.

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And combat will not be in the map at all, but a dedicated screen. Sooooort of like combat in FTL, but different in some ways.

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But if it was in the map, then well, just scroll in.

regal olive
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hey there could someone help me debug something?
I'm trying to make a restart level feature so I suppose the easiest way would be to reload the scene. But after doing that i'm having issues with null references even after removing event handlers on destroyed objects

sly grove
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you'd have to share the specific code and errors exhibiting the issues

regal olive
tender badger
regal olive
tender badger
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But yeah, to go back to the main topic, it's not the main view, but I want to finish one part of the game first before starting to work on the next.

sly grove
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for example is this object DDOL?

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Is it a singleton

regal olive
sly grove
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What about the blackHoles variable? What type is it? Where is it being assigned? Etc

regal olive
sly grove
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no

regal olive
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okay

sly grove
regal olive
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ikr but why? if I remove the handlers OnDestroy

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that's the main issue

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it sould solve the problem

sly grove
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Oh

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Well I can see right away

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your OnDestroy code is not correct

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YOu can't unsubscribe lambdas like that

regal olive
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yeah i was thinking about that... my bad. how should I do it then?

sly grove
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You should be doing this:

// subscribe like this
GameEvents.instance.OnBlackHolePlaced += UpdateBlackHoleCounter;

// unsubscribe like this:
GameEvents.instance.OnBlackHolePlaced -= UpdateBlackHoleCounter;```
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the way you have it now it's saying "unsubscribe this brand new lambda function" which wasn't subscribed in the first place, so it does nothing

regal olive
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right and i don't need to pass the variable on the subscription? does he know it automatically?

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because i'm subscribing like this

sly grove
#

no - passing the variable happens when the invocation happens

regal olive
sly grove
#

Yeah I know what you're doing right now - it's wasteful and unecessary

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there' s no need to use this middleman lambda function

regal olive
#

oh thank you so much, today I learn

sly grove
#

and it makes it harder to unsubscribe too

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The event subscription wants "a function that takes an int parameter and returns void"

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That's what UpdateBlackHoleCounter is

#

you need nothing else

regal olive
#

Awesome, Been doin it wrong my hole life. So if the parameters of my function math the parameters of the event I should subscribe only with method's name

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thanks man saved me hours ❤️

sly grove
#

Using the method directly, where possible, is much more straightforward

regal olive
#

Got it makes sense. It's kinda like pointers right? Didn't know that was a thing in c#

sly grove
#

Yes, it's a "reference" in C#, as you're not allowed direct pointer access

round pawn
#

How do I find the number code for a particular warning?

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Is there a site or in the manual somewhere?

sly grove
#

wdym? Like CS0343 something like that? Just google it.

#

those would mostly be C# things not UNity things

#

It's not generally helpful I don't think though 🤔

round pawn
sly grove
#

What's the warning

round pawn
#

It's SendMessage cannot be called during Awake, CheckConsistency, or OnValidate

sly grove
#

that's not a C# warning

#

it's not a compiler thing

round pawn
#

Okayyy...

sly grove
#

it's a Unity thing

round pawn
#

wat do

sly grove
#

The way to fix it is to heed that advice

round pawn
#

I tried and it broke my code

sly grove
#

If you're actually calling SendMessage at all, I would actually recommend against doing that

#

SendMessage is almost useless for 99% of normal games

#

Show your code

round pawn
sly grove
#

Whatever component you're adding has a SendMessage in its Awake()

round pawn
#

I tried using UnityEditor.EditorApplication.delayCall = () => { }; but it chopped up my code and didn't work

sly grove
#

Maybe explain what you're trying to do

#

and show the code

round pawn
# 
// create a new chunk
if (!chunk_present)
{
  Chunk new_chunk = CreateChunk(coord);
  chunks.Add(new_chunk);
}
chunks[chunks.Count - 1].SetUp(material, generate_colliders);

I'm running this for every chunk, but it doesn't work on them all when I use delayCall because chunks.count - 1 is taken before the chunk is added

sly grove
#

how? What does CreateChunk do?

#

chunks.Add clearly runs before that line below...

round pawn
# sly grove chunks.Add clearly runs before that line below...

Can we just start over... Here's what I tried:

if (!Application.isPlaying)
{
  UnityEditor.EditorApplication.delayCall = () =>
  {
    // create a new chunk
    if (!chunk_present)
    {
      Chunk new_chunk = CreateChunk(coord);
      chunks.Add(new_chunk);
    }
    chunks[chunks.Count - 1].SetUp(material, generate_colliders);
  };
}
else
{
  // create a new chunk
  if (!chunk_present)
  {
    // CreateChunk initializes a GameObject and adds the Chunk component to it
    Chunk new_chunk = CreateChunk(coord);
    chunks.Add(new_chunk);
  }
  // SetUp adds the rest of the components, like mesh, collider, etc.
  chunks[chunks.Count - 1].SetUp(material, generate_colliders);
}

It didn't work for some reason, it doesn't create all the chunks that it should.

sly grove
#

I still don't know what this has to do with SendMessage

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or what CreateChunk does

#

or why you need a delayCall

#

also why chunks[chunks.Count - 1] instead of just new_chunk

round pawn
#

OnValidate + AddComponent = SendMessage cannot be called during Awake, CheckConsistency, or OnValidate

sly grove
#

and show the code for the script(s) on the objects being created

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you've shared very little here

#

hard to help

round pawn
# 
Chunk CreateChunk(Vector3Int coord)
{
  GameObject chunk = new GameObject($"Chunk ({coord.x}, {coord.y}, {coord.z})");
  chunk.transform.parent = chunk_holder.transform;
  Chunk new_chunk = chunk.AddComponent<Chunk>();
  new_chunk.coord = coord;
  return new_chunk;
}

Literally nothing special

sly grove
#

ok now

#

show the Chunk code

round pawn
sly grove
round pawn
round pawn
sly grove
round pawn
# 
SendMessage cannot be called during Awake, CheckConsistency, or OnValidate (Chunk (4, 4, 1): OnDidAddComponent)
UnityEngine.GameObject:AddComponent<UnityEngine.MeshRenderer> ()
Chunk:SetUp (UnityEngine.Material,bool) (at Assets/Scripts/Chunk.cs:48)
MeshGenerator:InitChunks () (at Assets/Scripts/MeshGenerator.cs:368)
MeshGenerator:Run () (at Assets/Scripts/MeshGenerator.cs:90)
MeshGenerator:RequestMeshUpdate () (at Assets/Scripts/MeshGenerator.cs:110)
DensityGenerator:OnValidate () (at Assets/Scripts/DensityGenerator.cs:17)
sly grove
#

Ok I guess AddComponent calls SendMessage itself 🤔

round pawn
#

But it points to each AddComponent

round pawn
#

.

sly grove
#

that is probably how it calls the OnEnable/Awake methods on the new component

round pawn
#

It's new, I never had these warnings in 2019 I don't think

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And the code I'm rewriting also only had these warnings when upgraded to 2020

#

The thing is my code works fine, I just am being irritated by the warning when I adjust the size of my map (creating new chunks)

rose bronze
#

Can anyone help me here please?
asked in code-beginner couple of times but no one respond.

I am trying to do a multipart PUT request from Unity. any guide or maybe what is wrong with the below code attached.

https://paste.myst.rs/81908ruy

pastemyst | (untitled)

a powerful website for storing and sharing text and code snippets. completely free and open source.

paper sand
#

Anyone have a multiplayer game idea

raw lily
#

So I have a scriptable object with a field like in the picture. Everything has been working fine but now I'm trying to make my first build and I get the following.
Assets\RTR\Script\Card\Effect\EffectData.cs(14,16): error CS0246: The type or namespace name 'MonoScript' could not be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)
Did a bit of research without luck. Does anyone know what I could do to fix this?

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long ivy
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remove all references to MonoScript in scripts included in your build. It's in the UnityEditor namespace

raw lily
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Cause that's how effects are referenced in SOs

long ivy
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you can't have any types from UnityEditor in a build at all, so no they're all broken

raw lily
#

So there's no way to pass a script as a field ever?

#

Like.. if I generate a new object from the SO and use that, that's fine correct? The only issue is the SO in the build folder?

long ivy
#

generate a new object how? In the editor pre-build? Sure. But the type MonoScript literally does not exist in a build, so you can't have it as a field on anything that goes into the build

raw lily
#

This was how card effects were definited in my code base, can you think of a simple way to make something like that work without having to redo everything?

#

That's bad news...

long ivy
#

you could probably do some hackery with custom PropertyDrawers to make something similar to the way you're using MonoScript

#

You might consider rewriting your effect scripts as SOs themselves, and assigning those instead

raw lily
long ivy
#

your SO could exist for the sole purpose of adding a specific effect script. You wouldn't need to worry about instances of them if they're just factories

#

what does your EffectData SO do exactly?

raw lily
#

Has data about how the effect is handled, and then the script that contains it's unique behaviour.

long ivy
#

I assume it adds a OnPlayDiscoverEtc component to a GO at some point. Does it set any fields?

raw lily
long ivy
#

where are Effect Target etc used? Do they get applied to the component EffectData adds to a GO?

raw lily
#

Some are used as params to call the MonoScript and some are logic within the code before/after it's called.

long ivy
#

well, two options are to make EffectData a generic type and define subclasses for each effect script, or you could make a SO for each effect script whose only job is to add that script to a GO supplied by your GameData SO

raw lily
#

I was doing research at the same time, and I think there's a way to almost change nothing. If I put a string instead of an effect script and then load them at runtime like this?

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#

Wait.. what about an UnityEngine.Object type field?

#

I can still drag a MonoBehaviour into it it seems..

long ivy
#

that's what your option 1 is doing

raw lily
#

Yeah but then the type is no longer UnityEditor.MonoScript, it's UnityEngine.Object.

long ivy
#

I'm not sure this will work for you. I have no idea what happens if you try to serialize a MonoScript in this way

raw lily
#

Hmmm... I guess it's worth a shot.. it will reset all my SOs though..

#

The values I mean.

long ivy
#

How many do you have? hopefully you didn't wait until near the end to try an actual build :(

raw lily
#

Here's the problem actually...

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I cannot .GetClass() if it's not a MonoScript

raw lily
long ivy
#

probably worth automating it with an editor script, then

raw lily
long ivy
#

write an editor script that fetches all of your EffectData SOs and edits them. The laziest possible option would be to:

  1. add a serialized string to your EffectData SO
  2. run editor script which grabs all EffectData SOs, sets the string to the class name, and marks them as dirty
  3. save project
  4. delete MonoScript field
raw lily
#

Oh, good to know that's doable.

#

New problem though. What I posted above was from 7 years ago and I'm not sure you can add component from string anymore, will look into it.

quartz stratus
unreal lichen
#

Hi. I'm trying to implement dash to my object with rigidbody based movements. Is there any good implementation of dash using rigidbody? Or should i switch to transform while dashing?

#

I tried to actually

#

But since the object had move pretty fast physically and the dash direction can be in the different direction, the dash can miss the target sometimes

austere jewel
golden timber
# 
public class CameraRotation : MonoBehaviour
{
    void Update()
    {
        transform.rotation = new Quaternion(0, 0, 0, 0);
    }
}
austere jewel
#

Quaternion.identity is the default rotation

#

what you have written is not a valid quaternion

#

Don't manually create quaternions, even the default one imo

sly grove
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Don't use the constructor at all 😵‍💫

golden timber
#

I have changed the value, but now it affects the rocket. Probably I am working with the camera wrong way. Could you tell me how is it usually used when you want a camera to follow your player?

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Because I have placed the camera inside the player

austere jewel
#

If it affects the rocket, your script is also on the rocket

golden timber
#

on the camera

austere jewel
golden timber
#

Sorry, didn`t notice))

pine topaz
#

Managers usually needs to communicate with eachother, how would u guys do that connection ?

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hollow garden
#

well there is usually only one Manager

#

so a Singleton

pine topaz
#

Singletons are like hack of unity, i dont want to use it trying to find a more acceptable way which i can use on any language or engine

austere jewel
#

The singleton pattern has nothing to do with Unity

hollow garden
#

singletons can be used in any language

#

well almost any language

pine topaz
#

i know but as i said i define it as a unity hack

hollow garden
#

why

pine topaz
#

forexample u cant use anything like a singleton on UE

austere jewel
#

don't see why you couldn't

pine topaz
#

its not the point right, im trying to find more ideas about the problem

hollow garden
#

well the way you're doing it right there is another way

#

a million getcomponents

pine topaz
#

thats another way i dont wanna use 😄

#

Maybe DOTS or OOP can be a better solution, but i try inheritance from base class but im getting nullref exceptions somehow

hollow garden
#

well i can't think of any better solution here than a Singleton

pine topaz
#

not everywhere only on same gameobject, those 4 managers manage the single NPC

hollow garden
#

wait so these are on every npc?

pine topaz
#

yeah and its not good for optimization

hollow garden
#

well then Singleton is not really an option if it's gonna be on every npc

#

just sayin when you use the word Manager in a Unity script it usually refers to a Singleton

pine topaz
#

Yeah i probably need to find better words,

hollow garden
#

and yeah DOTS has some value here

#

it could definitely make it more performant

pine topaz
#

Im not bad at OOP designing but couldnt figure it out on unity

unkempt nova
#

Like I said in the other channel, I don't think this is inheritance related but we need more details to give more info

pine topaz
#

what detail can u need 😄

unkempt nova
#

The ones I listed repeatedly before : /

pine topaz
#

This is the animationManager derived from Civil, it can debug xa value as 5, but destinationManager.enabled is "NullReferenceException"

#

unity (cant or dont idk) pass Script refs on inheritance

cedar ledge
#

Anyone here familliar with UniTask? I'm trying to listen for connections, but Accept() blocks the main thread even though the function doing the listening is being called from a UniTask.Void()

sage radish
# pine topaz okay look this Civil class inherited from Interactable its an monobehaviour

CivilAnimationManager is hiding Civil's Start method by defining its own. That means _civilDestinationManager is never assigned a value. If you want Civil's Start method to run in CivilAnimationManager, you have to override it and call it:

// in Civil:
protected virtual void Start()
{
    ...
}

// in CivilAnimationManager:
protected override void Start()
{
    base.Start();
    ...
}
pine topaz
sage radish
#

Yes.

pine topaz
#

I got another question about it, can i assing them as _CivilAnimationManager = this ? or something likethat

#

cause only scripts cant inherited from base Start

pine topaz
cedar ledge
# 
UniTask.Void(async () => await ThreadedNetworkSocket.ListenForConnections());

public async UniTask ListenForConnections()
{
            Socket Listener = new(SocketType.Stream, ProtocolType.Tcp);
            Listener.Bind(new IPEndPoint(IPAddress.Any, networkSettings.Port));
            Listener.Listen(10);
            Socket handler = Listener.Accept();
#

anyone know why this should block the main thread?

flint sage
#

Probably parallel and concurrent aren't the same thing

#

I don't know Unitask but it looks like you're doing concurrent and not parallel

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pine topaz
cedar ledge
#

regular Task has problems with unity because unity really doesnt work multithreaded

#

UniTask was made specifically to solve that, but it seems like maybe I need to use regular task for this one part?

flint sage
#

A regular task is also often concurrent

cedar ledge
#

well what's the right way to listen for a connection in unity?

flint sage
# 

    // Multithreading, run on ThreadPool under this code
    await UniTask.SwitchToThreadPool();

    /* work on ThreadPool */

    // return to MainThread(same as `ObserveOnMainThread` in UniRx)
    await UniTask.SwitchToMainThread();```
From a quick google, you want something like this
#

Or there might be other methods in unitask to defer to a different thread

cedar ledge
#

ok thanks

flint sage
#

You can also just use a threadpool yourself

reef wren
#

is something similar to SerializeField available for functions to be used with UnityEvents?
i want to call a function using a button but i dont want the function to be public.
even protected function doesnt show up

pine topaz
sage radish
cedar ledge
#

but then the function would still need to be public

#

if a function is supposed to be called from a button, then conceptually, it should be public. it's being called from another script

pine topaz
sage radish
pine topaz
#

What about the compiling time, do i generate 4 different civil base classes for 4 different manager derived from it ?,

sage radish
pine topaz
#

Btw how would u do the connection between managers ?

reef wren
# cedar ledge if a function is supposed to be called from a button, then conceptually, it shou...

no. Conceptually speaking, we do have SerializeField attribute which allows us to modify a private variable from outside the script which contradicts this statement.

I prefer to keep the code logics separate from the UI logics and will try to avoid making every function/variable public. I understand that I can still use SerializeField for the button, and then subscribe to the private function from within the script which is totally fine and what I actually do. But it'll be time saving if I could somehow tell unity button to call private methods from inspector (something which Unity itself uses to call Update, FixedUpdate, etc but yes these are not related to Inspector)

#

I was expecting Unity to have some attribute for it. It would also help significantly more for such functions to have that attribute instead of them being a public function, so that its easier to debug. Its hard to debug a bigger code base when a public function gets triggered (from UI/Unity Events) randomly and you have no idea which function it could be.
Atleast with attributed function, you can simply do a find all reference and then eliminate the remaining possibilities by atleast 50%+

cedar ledge
#

instead of doing it in the inspector, you could add the function to the event in Start()
@reef wren

reef wren
#

I'm talking about a normal canvas UI Button, not c# delegates/events/actions

cedar ledge
dull epoch
#

Hello everyone.
I am working on an RPG and i hit the wall of my knowledge, maybe one of you can help me out.

I am working on an Ability System currently and i would love to have a whole System to click my abilities togehter.

I was thinking to use scriptable objects but i quickly realised, for damage calculation and on hit effects, i would have to write own classes to implement these things.

Is there a way to build smaller Components and link them in a custom editor or something ?

unkempt nova
#

VFX and stuff will probably be in prefabs so that's not an issue for a SO. Damage Calculation can be done on the SO as well, it's scriptable. You can also link them together, so you could have one way to calculate damage as a SO and another way as another SO for plug and play ability building

#

If you're going with the SO approach, my best advice is DO NOT STORE ANY STATE INFO ON THE SO. It should only be used to hold references, and process data. Like damage seems fine. Just don't store current health in there or something

dull epoch
# unkempt nova If you're going with the SO approach, my best advice is DO NOT STORE ANY STATE I...

its all for server code so i am highly careful on my resource management. But yeah, the ability gets the PlayerStats component to calculate whatever the actual damage is (str increases melee dmg and stuff)

The plug and play thing sounds interesting and exactly what i was looking for. Can you go into more detail? I used to use an old unity version for way to long so my knowledge with SOs is quite limited.

unkempt nova
sage radish
unkempt nova
#

I'm running into issues trying to integrate mirror because I have non basic types in my ability SOs, figured I'd mention it

dull epoch
dull epoch
unkempt nova
#

Might have to remember that

dull epoch
unkempt nova
#

Stable's idea is good, and I believe I wrote a script that helps with that for a modifiable stat system I abandoned a while back, might help

#

Been a while though so don't remember how it works, might be useful though for selecting. In this case I'm using it to select stats from a dropdown iirc

dull epoch
#

you two are a massive help. Thank you. This means i spend a lot more time to get it going but it seems like a proper longterm solution

unkempt nova
#

That sorta thing

#

Can drag/drop them in there too in the drop area. Kinda handy

dull epoch
#

i need to completly overthink how to get the stuff done i have in mind but this tool seems like the right way

zenith quarry
#

Finally solved that damn material problem I had

#

For anyone interested:
Use a hashtable and iterate trough all the objects that have the materials you want to swap for a highlight.
convert that hashtable to an array.
Now every renderer has to compare each of its materials to the materialarray and write down the index numbers.
When changing from a highlighted material back to the original you can now use the index numbers.
You can do that in the editor, no need on awake or runtime.
With that you can now use sharedmaterial, since unity doesn't instantiate materials anymore.

#

So happy that sht now works

jovial totem
#

Is there a way I can move physics objects around the player. I have a big world and I am worried that our near the edges I’ll start getting floating point precision errors. So the solution is to keep the player at 0 and move everything around the player. However, my world has physics stuff in it, and if I move those I’m worried it will mess up the physics simulation. Is there a way I can do this?
Alternatively, how far out from origin do things have to be for the jitter to start being noticeable? Maybe my map size is within that bounds.

zenith quarry
#

You can move the whole world regularly back to origin if that helps you

#

Other than that you could section your world in levels and after async loading each level you move everything to origin

#

Something like that:

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frank peak
#

Okay, so I have an implementation of the a* algorithim that uses two or three scripts. Pathfinder.cs which has the primary method FindPath(PathNode start, PathNode end), and PathNode.cs which gets generated per tile at runtime in the TilemapHandler.cs script (which is responsible for perlin noise generation) and held in a list using the class PathNodeManager.cs. As to my tilemap, its a multi layered isometric z as y tilemap.

The issue I'm having is that my algorithim wont find neighbours, when i know for a fact that that list that is being checked against with .Contains(PathNode) contains the path node being checked. I have no idea why this is happenning but it is, and subsquently paths aren't being found. There certainly are paths, as obstacles (a bool IsBlocked) are set at tilemap generation using an if statement that checks if the tile is null (true for empty tiles like in tilemap 0 which is the plant layer), and if it isnt, the bool is set.

#

[Picture of the test tilemap]

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hazy epoch
#

Why does a headless (batchmode) Dedicated Server build generate shader errors and warnings?

unkempt nova
#

What do they say?

hazy epoch
unkempt nova
#

Yeah, I don't have anything to offer other than it looks like it doesn't like your GPU. Might be ok if they're just warnings

#

If you're missing shaders, sounds like there's a fallback option you can enable

hazy epoch
#

Yeah. I thought of those things too, which lead me to ask the question why is it even doing anything with the shaders if there's no rendering (batch/headless mode).

sly grove
#

that might be relevant

hazy epoch
# sly grove Thre's also a separate `-nographics` argument

I was under the impression that those arguments aren't needed with Dedicated Server builds. That it was built in. However, upon looking it up (to see if my assumption was correct), it seems these shader issues are a known issue.
https://forum.unity.com/threads/unity-2021-2-dedicated-server-target-and-stripping-optimizations-now-live-please-share-feedback.1143734/#:~:text=Starting in Unity 2021.2%2C when setting your platform,to apply these optimizations during the build process.?msclkid=f55b8254ae3211eca6b8ad65fa26e001

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sly grove
#

Oh you're using the new dedicated server target

#

nice

#

I guess it still has some kinks haha

kindred tusk
#

You can include them in the build and give each one a unique ID which is sent if necessary

unkempt nova
#

I do already have a SO "DB" with all of them, for a good unique ID and lookup

pale wave
#

Can anyone teach me how to put a gun in my 3d game?

novel wing
pale wave
#

did that

#

*2d game

hazy epoch
kindred tusk
#

Perfect

worldly gorge
#

How could I learn to implement a reversed-z camera?

undone coral
worldly gorge
#

A camera with a reversed-z Depth Precision buffer

undone coral
#

unity cannot prove a dedicated server build will work for a given list of unity scenes so don't use it

#

it is a set of heuristics not something that Makes Sense

undone coral
frank peak
#

hmm now my a* algo returns so many neighbours that it infinite loops. and the closed list just continues to build in some random direction. i must've messed up the code somewhere

sly grove
#

You should be ignoring any nodes you've already visited

frank peak
#

I think I am

#

an issue is that the closed list spins in circles and doesn't actually find a path

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#

so the algo must not be implemented correctly

sly grove
#

If it's going in circles it's revisiting already visited nodes

frank peak
#

yeah i guess you're right eh

#

it really shouldn't be happenning tho

#

the starting line in the for neighbours loop should negate it

#

foreach (var neighbour in GetNeighbourTiles(currentPathNode).Where(x => !x.IsNodeBlocked && !closedList.Contains(x)))

sly grove
#

What kind of objects does GetNeighborTiles return

#

I.e. how are you representing your nodes

frank peak
#

as a PathNode object with an x, y, z, and a g, h and f cost as well as a bool for IsNodeBlocked

sly grove
#

What's PathNode look like? Is it a struct? Class? Are the instances reused? Is there an appropriate . Equals method?

frank peak
#

class

#

pure class

#

hmm lemme check

frank peak
#

i think the way i was checkign neighbours and addign them to the list was bugged

#

cuz it was instatiating a new path node

#

i changed that to

#

this

# 
            Vector3Int locationToCheck = new Vector3Int(currentPathNode.GridLocation.x + 1, currentPathNode.GridLocation.y + 1, currentPathNode.GridLocation.z);

            if (map.cellBounds.Contains(locationToCheck) && !closedList.Contains(GeneratePathNode(locationToCheck)))
            {
                neighbours.Add(pathNodeManager.pathNodes.Find(x => x.GridLocation.Equals(locationToCheck)));

            }
#

i might remove the !closedlist thing since that was from before (and it didn't do anything anyway as that check is already perfomed earlier)

#

hmm now im getting a nre from linq wtf

raw schooner
#

What does .Find() do? Would .First() be a better choice?

#

Looks like Find is FirstOrDefault but for lists

deep scaffold
#

Hello,
I am working on project where i used newtonsoft plugin for unity, turns out plugin had problems when i build project on il2cpp and was failing some tasks, now i am trying to find way to invoke methods recived with signalR, before i was using cast to JArray, but now i dont have that luxury, I am getting this kind of objects/Lists which has method name at first place, then parameters.

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zenith quarry
# undone coral why didn't you use a material with a property?

you mean like switching it so in the shader it gets switched?
I have it on a small shader but it is not always the fastest way, esp when you want to highlight multiple objects that have different shader. It is then faster to switch the material.

Also it is a better system for designer because creating highlightmaterials and saying which thing gets what highlighttype is much easier.

tender badger
#

Does GPU Instancing improve the performance of animated sprites as well?

tender badger
sly grove
hushed sparrow
#

im trying to have a scriptable object remove itself from a list after a timed duration of turns, yet for some reason it wont? What am I doing wrong here?

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agile yoke
#

There could be many thing here around when what parts of this are called etc., but one problem that jumps out to me: If CH.CE is some kind of List, then RemoveAt will change the indices of all other entries after the one you remove in the list. If you don't update their Place field at that point, when they later try to remove themselves, they'll use an incorrect index

hushed sparrow
#

hmmm, that is true. Do you have any suggestions on going about this?

fresh salmon
#

Yeah this.
If you just want to remove yourself you need to re-compute the other's indexes, OR...

agile yoke
#

The easy solution is using Remove instead of RemoveAt :)

fresh salmon
#

Remove yourself CH.CE.Remove(this);

hushed sparrow
#

well yea i tried that and just got this

unknown.png
#

let me see if i can fix it

agile yoke
#

(Unless Place is used by other things too and needs to actually be correct; in that case you won't get away without updating indices)

hushed sparrow
#

aaaand now im getting this

unknown.png
#

this is how the character handler handles the condition list btw

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fresh salmon
#

Ah yeah, if you're iterating over the CH.CE list while removing you can't

#

With foreach at least

hushed sparrow
#

ight

#

should i just use a for loop then?

fresh salmon
#

You can use a for loop yeah

#

Reverse for loop to be precise

#

So removing an element won't mess with the indexes you're going to remove in the next iterations

hushed sparrow
#

like this?

unknown.png
fresh salmon
#

That will iterate from end to start though

#

That's correct

hushed sparrow
#

ight

#

NOW it works ight thank you

flint sage
#

That condition looks wrong

soft hawk
#

It is wrong

#

i >= 0
if i'm not mistaken

#

what you have written there will only do 1 iteration on index 0 @hushed sparrow

devout hare
#

well what's written is a syntax error
but if the rogue > is removed then it iterates either 0 or infinite times (or at least until integer underflow)

craggy flare
#

when am pressing esc in playing sun temple asset...it pauses the game in unity editor and even if we change the scene on ESC then also game is paused in that scene also...how to solve this issue

hushed sparrow
#

this goes on way too long, i think ill keep it to <=

unknown.png
#

since its going reverse it just needs to check each time if its at or below 0, not above it

#

otherwise yeah it goes on infinitely

soft hawk
#

If you keep it at <= 0 it simply wont run, or if CE is empty, it'll run infinitely

#

<= 0 is just wrong

hushed sparrow
#

then what should i change it to?

#

it has to wait until its less than or equal to 0, what am i supposed to put there?

granite viper
#

what are you trying to do?

#

iterate over the list

#

?

hushed sparrow
#

im trying to go from the last to first item of the list to activate its functions seperately for handling status conditions

granite viper
#

usually your ide has a utility for reversing a for loop

soft hawk
#

It's a reverse for loop

granite viper
#

but it looks like this:

# 

for( int i = CE.Count - 1; i >= 0; i--) {

}```
#

nope, need to sub one from CE.Count when assigning to i

soft hawk
#

Oh, right, mb

hushed sparrow
#

alright now it works

#

ty

granite viper
#

cool beans

pale wave
#

how do I make my enemys
in my game attack me

sly grove
#

Have you tried insulting their honor?

regal olive
#

lol

pale wave
tranquil coral
#

Is there a way to script two different, identical animators to be "equal"? I have two identical objects, and when one runs its animator, I want my script to read that happened, and tell the other animator to do the same thing

sly grove
tranquil coral
#

alright, thanks

shadow urchin
#

I honestly don't understand why Unity doesn't have a function that allows you just to jump into your game like Unreal does.....

sly grove
#

The play button..?

frank peak
#

when your days into a problem and finally find a solution

#

best feeling ever

shadow urchin
frank peak
#

ye you need a move controller for that kind of direct control

sly grove
#

Unity is designed to be more open ended

#

in any case you can just use Unity's standard FPS controller and get that same thing

shadow urchin
#

as a new user who is making a level, how does one explore it using some sort of reference model or object to test scaling?

sly grove
sly grove
#

Maybe not everyone has the same sized character

#

not every game is an FPS

#

it's too in-the-box

frank peak
#

so how could i visualize the path nodes? its a pure class. more debug.drawX?

unknown.png
#

(i already used debug.draw line to draw the path)

#

which isn't optimal but that can be changed lol

#

(also ignore the nre, its due to the town name being null -- ie you cant set the town name if you jump straight into the scene)

shadow urchin
sly grove
shadow urchin
sly grove
#

what errors

#

and what version of Unity

shadow urchin
#

sorry one sec

sly grove
#

Standard Assets is a much older, very outdated package

#

This is the contents of the one you just linked

#

none of them are a folder called "Standard Assets"

shadow urchin
#

how would I go about removing that package then?

sly grove
#

delete it

#

it's just a folder in your Assets folder

sly grove
tender badger
#

Is there some kind of way to dynamically generate a mesh out of individual parts?

I'm slooowly starting to get the hang of GPU instancing, I think, but the problem is that every sprite drawn has to be the same. (Though I've noticed that it still let's me vary the size.)

#

Now, it's the draw calls that cause performance issues, right?

#

GPU instancing is one way of reducing them by combining a bunch of similar ones into a single one, but how about somehow taking a bunch of different sprites, and combining them into a single draw call?

#

I'm only really looking to change the color, so if there's some way to do that with GPU instancing I would take that as well.

dull epoch
#

Is there a clever solution for a unique ID system for Scriptable Objects? I have like 100 SOs of one type and i would love for them to have all a unqiue ID. I am certain there is a way to get it done but i dont find a good clever solution

soft hawk
#

You can't number them?

dull epoch
#

When i number them by hand i will at one point make a mistake so i would love to have an automated system do it for me.

#

I could add an editor script that finds all SOs of the given type and gives them an ID but, if i could, i would love to have an OnCreate event that does this stuff for me. Is there an option for that? My experienmce with SOs is quite limited.

tender badger
# tender badger I'm only really looking to change the color, so if there's some way to do that w...

I'm thinking about using a particle system where the particles are just a glow with a color and have the same positions as the sprites together with the instanced but uncolored sprites for this. Hell, if it's allowed, I could literally make the particles the same texture (but colored of course). (In case you wonder why I don't just use particles to begin with, I need the objects to be interactable.)

dull epoch
#

okay my question was dumb, sorry for bothering you all! Google found the solution rather quickly, sorry agian for asking

frank peak
#

any thoughts on how i can get my generated pathnode grid (dots) to align with the isometric grid (tiles)? some sort of maths im guessing, maybe matrices idk

unknown.png
#

actually i found a video thats really useful so far (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04oQ2jOUjkU)

YouTube
Jordan West
How Isometric Coordinates Work in 2D games

Isometric games often use hand-drawn 2D sprites to add depth to a game without having to deal with full 3D rendering.

In this video, I cover how it works, the math you need to render isometric sprites on the screen, and how to find the isometric tile from a screen coordinate.

Music: Snake Hips - Lucas Pittman (via epidemicsound.com)

▶ Play video
#

goes into the math needed to translate the position from XY rect to XY iso

native plover
#

How can I find the distance between two points on a custom axis?

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sly grove
native plover
#

So the vector.project function doesnt retain all magnitude?

frank peak
#

weird, i had a formula that was literally just working 10 mins ago and now its doing this weird line thing

unknown.png
#

it was generating a isometric grid of dots but now it generates a line going from top right to bottom left wtf lol

#

back to square one i guess

unknown.png
#

does anybody have a formula for linearly transforming a set of cartesian coordinates to a isometric equivalent?

#

nvm lol

tender badger
#

What the hell...

#

So, it looks like I'm finally getting the hang of instancing, but there's still some issues.

#

For some reason it's not instancing every once in a while, which kind of ruins everything.

granite viper
#

looks like you're drawing both instanced and non-instanced

tender badger
#

Unity seems to be able to support up to 512 draws per instancing, but on average around once in 50 gameobjects it just refuses to instance it, which restarts the instancing process.

#

It's seemingly random. The first instance has 46, the second one 29, the third one 42, etc.

tender badger
granite viper
#

does the reason tell you anythign useful

#

in the frame debugger they usually tell you why something wasn't batched

tender badger
#

"Rendering different meshes or submeshes with GPU instancing"

#

Ok, this is extremely sus.

#

Notice how it's usually one set of instancing, then an individual one, the next set, etc., but then at the bottom it's two instancings?

unknown.png
#

If I click on the bottom-most one, it tells me that the previous one was reached the maximum instance count.

#

Now, this is very strange, because the one above it has only 16.

#

But then I counted all of the ones from the start up to and including the one that has 16, and it gave me 502. Nothing weird about that number, right? Well, if you count the individual ones, it's ten, which combined with 502, leads us to exactly 512.

#

If so, why aren't these just in one instance?

granite viper
#

I was actually going to ask you to do just that haha

tender badger
#

Those things are generated in a loop from a prefab, and the only thing that changes between them is size, position, and some values of a script component. If those things prevented it from batching, then none of them would be instanced. Yet most are, and it's just those few that aren't.

granite viper
#

The threshold at which inefficiencies begin depends on the GPU, but as a general rule, don’t use GPU instancing for meshes that have fewer than 256 vertices.
Interesting note on the docs page

tender badger
#

Well, that shouldn't apply, because even the one with only 46 instances has 368 vertices.

#

Even then, that would just be a performance/framerate thing, and it shouldn't influence how the CPU instances things.

#

@sly grove I've talked to about GPU Instancing a few times now, do you know what may be going on? This is so cursed.

midnight violet
#

So I go from general over to here. Maybe thats the better channel. I am trying to get a public list as dropdown in other classes. Because of not being compiled, I only get a null reference from that list while accessing it.

granite viper
#

post code

midnight violet
# 
public List<UIPages> linkablePages;

this is in class A, I want to get this into class B as a dropdown

granite viper
#

:I

#

dropdown in the inspector?

midnight violet
# 
[CustomEditor(typeof(UIButton))]
public class UIButtonEditor : Editor
{
    private SerializedProperty allPagesList;
    private ReorderableList charactersList;

    int index = 0;
    string[] pageNames;

    void OnEnable()
    {
        allPagesList = serializedObject.FindProperty(nameof(AppManager.linkablePages));

        pageNames = new string[allPagesList.Count];

        for (int i = 0; i < AppManager.AllPages().Count; i++)
        {
            pageNames[i] = AppManager.AllPages()[i].name;
        }
    }

    public override void OnInspectorGUI()
    {
        DrawDefaultInspector();

        index = EditorGUILayout.Popup(index, pageNames);
        var someClass = target as UIButton;
        // Update the selected choice in the underlying object
        someClass.buttonTargetPage = AppManager.AllPages()[index];
        // Save the changes back to the object
        EditorUtility.SetDirty(target);
    }
}

this is where I went so far, but its not working because of my static list is always null

midnight violet
sly grove
#

what static list

midnight violet
sly grove
#

what public list

#

where do you initialize it?

#

you said it's null? That should be easy to rectify

midnight violet
#

So, the public List<UIPages> linkablePages is just inside a manager which I feed with drag and drop.
Now I want my other class to access this list. The static return and the code above is just my current state while trying to figure it out. I dont need the static if I can just link to the public List. Thats where I am stuck now

granite viper
#

how many bloody pages lists do you have lol

#

what does any of this have to do with the one line of code you posted at the beginning

midnight violet
#

Ehm. do you read my text?

#

I updated the ONE line so you are not confused

granite viper
#

ok you changed the name

#

is class A serialized

midnight violet
#

Class A is a basic Mono Script, same goes for Class B

granite viper
#

which line is erroring, this one?
someClass.buttonTargetPage = AppManager.AllPages()[index];

midnight violet
#

Actually as soon as I access

EON.AppManager.AllPages();

I get a null error

granite viper
#

sounds like it's coming from inside AppManager

midnight violet
# 
        public static List<UIPage> AllPages()
        {
            if (instance)
                return instance.linkablePages;
            else
                return null;
        }``` This is the code for the list. I execute in edit mode the OnEnable and the static List
granite viper
#

instance is probably null then?

midnight violet
#

I am actually not sure. I am not familiar with Editor scripts so far. Let me check

granite viper
#

null errors are pretty easy to fix

#

just track the null back to the source

#

then check your assumptions and track it back to why it's null

#

then make it not null

midnight violet
#

Okay, so instance is null. I guess its null because onenable is not called from editor mode, even with the ExecuteInEditMode?

granite viper
#

yeah I wouldn't trust onenable in edit mode

midnight violet
#

But I guess I am just using this wrong, ExecuteInEditMode can't be used on single functions, correct? It has always to execute the whole class

granite viper
#

yes

#

it's applied to the class

midnight violet
# granite viper it's applied to the class

Okay, I guess thats where my confusion came from. Thats totally logic that both list and instance will be null. Thanks a lot for pointing me in the right direction 🙂 I guess its not advanced then anymore, as the rest should be simple editor code 🙂

granite viper
#

yw

midnight violet
#

So this is working now, but one issue I got is, that my prefab is in prefabmode resulting in scene mismatch.

[CustomEditor(typeof(UIButton))]
public class UIButtonEditor : Editor
{
    int index = 0;
    string[] pageNames;

    void OnEnable()
    {
        pageNames = new string[AppManager.instance.linkablePages.Count + 1];

        for (int i = 0; i < AppManager.instance.linkablePages.Count; i++)
        {
            if (i > 0)
                pageNames[i] = AppManager.instance.linkablePages[i].name;
            else
                pageNames[0] = "No page";
        }
    }

    public override void OnInspectorGUI()
    {
        DrawDefaultInspector();

        EditorGUI.BeginChangeCheck();

        index = EditorGUILayout.Popup(index, pageNames);

        if (EditorGUI.EndChangeCheck())
        {
            var someClass = target as UIButton;

            if (index > 0)
                someClass.buttonTargetPage = AppManager.AllPages()[index];
            else
                someClass.buttonTargetPage = null;

            EditorUtility.SetDirty(target);
        }        
    }
}```
#

I guess its a prefab constraint and therefore not possible with this approach

frank peak
#

so right now im generating a grid of path nodes (tiles that signify a moveable area) based upon these generated isometric tiles tile.x and tile.y position but its much too large, using 2 units of directional movement instead of 1. (ie the bottom node from the origin generates at 0,-2 instead of 0,-1)

the center grid are the re-arranged nodes position that im after, and the outside grid is how it generates

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# 
        public Vector2 TranslateToIso2(float x, float y)
        {
            float newX = x - y;
            float newY = (x + y);

            return new Vector2(newX, newY);
        }

and this is the method im using to translate the values

#

i figured it out, i had to do this instead:

        public Vector2 TranslateToIso2(float x, float y)
        {
            float newX = x - y;
            float newY = (x + y) / cellSizeY; // in my case this was 0.577

            return new Vector2(newX / 2, newY / 2);
        }
regal olive
#

Hello, I want to ask something about Unity Standalone Build. Is Unity doesn't support borderless windowed when build? I read the documentation about FullScreenMode.FullscreenWindow https://docs.unity3d.com/2019.4/Documentation/ScriptReference/FullScreenMode.FullScreenWindow.html
But there is no way to change the resolution of the window at runtime without scale to fit the entire display screen. How I can achieve that? Is I must use user32.dll and handle the window on my own?

Sorry for my bad english

crisp remnant
#

Hello all, I'm running into an issue related to reflection. I think I'm close, but it's running into a ReflectionTypeLoadException error. Essentially, I'm trying to look at all of the loaded assemblies and if it detects a class that is a subtype of another specified class, I want to add it as a component then be able to reference the methods and properties within.

So I have this code here, which works great when there is only one assembly with a class that is a subtype of SkModules.SkBaseModule. But if another assembly is loaded that contains one of these classes, it throws the ReflectionTypeLoadException error and skips the class, but still loads the other expected classes from within the assembly that is doing the checking. Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong?

# 
        private void RegisterModules()
        {
            //Assembly ourAssembly = AppDomain.CurrentDomain.GetAssemblies().
            //SingleOrDefault(assembly => assembly == typeof(SkModules.SkBaseModule).Assembly);
            foreach (Assembly ourAssembly in AppDomain.CurrentDomain.GetAssemblies())
            {
                Type[] theseTypes;
                try
                {
                    theseTypes = ourAssembly.GetTypes();
                }
                catch (ReflectionTypeLoadException e)
                {
                    theseTypes = e.Types;
                }

                foreach (Type tclass in theseTypes)
                {
                    if (tclass.IsSubclassOf(typeof(SkModules.SkBaseModule)))
                    {
                        Component module = gameObject.AddComponent(subclass);
                        SkModules.SkBaseModule moduleTyped = (SkModules.SkBaseModule)GameObject.FindObjectOfType(tclass);

                        moduleTyped.CallerEntry = new SkMenuItem(moduleTyped.CallerEntry.ItemText, () => menuController.RequestSubMenu(moduleTyped.FlushMenu()));
                        menuOptions.Add(moduleTyped);
                    }
                }
            }
        }```
long ivy
#

why are the types failing to load? Do they have a dependency on another type that wasn't loaded?

crisp remnant
#

Oh interesting, I hadn't considered that option. Let me verify

long ivy
#

also based on the docs for ReflectionTypeLoadException, your code probably throws nullrefs

crisp remnant
#

Okay, I think your initial assessment was correct. Going to attempt to load these dependencies properly. And thanks for the call out, I'll review the docs

#

That was correct, thank you! For some reason it wasn't showing the full error code, I'll have to review what was suppressing it. Still not loading the other classes though, for some reason. But now that this error isn't a stopping point I can continue debugging.

frank peak
#

below is my node grid (green = empty space, red = obstacles) and the blue line is the janky path

unknown.png
#

the pathfinding isn't not optimized. beyond calculating a tenative g cost as a check when f cost is basically the same, how could i go about optimizing this? just hmu and ill show code

unborn otter
#

is there any way to use TextMeshProUGUI font replacing without placing materials in the Resource Folder ?

i am patching font style with my addressable now and by putting them into addressable means this can no longer be patched and they are shipped with APK

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silk canyon
#

how to get SceneInstance of current scene guys ?

novel plinth
#

to get currently active scene SceneManager.GetActiveScene()

dire totem
#

hello i need help

#

code length is 700 lines

#

is there anyone that can help me

#

i have been strugling for few days

#

here is the code

thin mesa
dire totem
#

i did it corectly

#

i pastwd it into site

#

pasted

thin mesa
#

you think an 800 line block of code should be just pasted into discord?

dire totem
#

and here is the error i get

dire totem
#

i did it from this site

thin mesa
dire totem
#

ok

white dirge
#

Getting an error with no call stack and no obvious source (also nothing visibly wrong, I just want a clean console). How am I supposed to track this down?
Graphics.CopyTexture can only copy between same texture format groups (d3d11 base formats: src=21 dst=53)

flint sage
#

Are you using that somewhere?

#

If so, add logs there

sand zealot
#

Hey yall, I had a question. I am planning out an isometric game and am wondering if anyone know the best approach to creating the tile. I initially created an isometric tilemap that randomly generates at the start, but I want to add animations to the tiles on load/unload so I am thinking of transitioning from tiles/tilemap to a programmatic grid/prefabs. Is this horrible for performance?

#

Probably should have thrown this question in code-general/code-beginner but there were already people asking questions there so I figured I would not throw a chunk of text in the middle of their convo 🙂

cloud crag
#

visual studio has delay showing this
. I have to wait about 2 seconds to Alt + Enter. It's annoying. how to make it immediate?thanks

unknown.png
flint sage
sand zealot
# flint sage Probably yes

Is there a better alternative if I want to add logic/interaction to my individual tiles?

The tilemap does not seem to fit my needs, unless I am missing something. It seems like the tilemap is great if you are just painting static images and giving them colliders, but for my game, I want the tiles to be dynamic, interact with the cursor, load/unload based on camera position, etc (there will not be more than like 24 tiles on screen at a time)

gaunt skiff
#

how do I use ECDsaCng in unity?

unknown.png
#

apparently System.security.Cryptography doesnot have that

#

I'm trying to implement this javascript code in unity C#

unknown.png
flint sage
#

No idea how to do dynamic stuff with tilemap but I'd guess it's possible

sand zealot
#

Ok, I will look into tilemaps more then before creating my own grid, thanks for the speedy response 😄

frank peak
#

heres a relevant screenshot

#

the red and green dots are pathfinding nodes which are also generated

sand zealot
# frank peak

Awesome! That is very similar to what I am looking for! Creating an isometric game myself as well.

frank peak
#

i used some tutorials for a* and for perlin noise, i can link you the code if you want

sand zealot
#

Ya! If you can link the a* vid that would be great.

frank peak
#

most of the logic in world gen is handled by 3 scripts lol

#

kk word

soft hawk
#

So I am ready to start implementing an ML Agent in my game (Puzzle Fighter clone, fyi. Think tetris but color matters). I plan to use the bot I made to evaluate the Agent's moves, that part I think I'm good on. I guess my question is, what GameObject do I attach the Agent to? I have a GameBoard GO that is responsible for spawning pieces, and the conventional bot sits on that. I have the Piece GO which is what the player controller sits on and is what the agent will control. The only reason I am reticent to put the agent script on that is because the piece gets destroyed when it touches down on the board. Is that a problem?

gaunt skiff
#

anyone know what's causing this error?

unknown.png
frank peak
#

you generated a method with intellisense but didn't fill the method out?

#

the line from the MS docs is
throw new NotImplementedException();

gaunt skiff
frank peak
#

thats the line throwing the error, and which you need to remove.

#

just google the error and ms docs

gaunt skiff
#

uhh

gaunt skiff
frank peak
#

in other thread you clicked on it and it said file not found right? it probably doesn't exist yet tbh

gaunt skiff
#

yess

gentle topaz
#

so in other words, you cant use it because it doesnt exist

gaunt skiff
#

I'll need to use .NET DLL from somewhere else?

#

one which has it implemented

frank peak
#

maybe, if it exists lol

gaunt skiff
#

are you on windows? lol If possible can I get the dll

frank peak
#

i dont use cryptographics libraries

undone coral
frank peak
#

im writing a game that allows modding in xml and c# lol security is so far from that

soft hawk
#

So the gameboard is fine?

gaunt skiff
undone coral
#

and attach the scripts there

frank peak
#

no

gaunt skiff
#

ok

frank peak
#

im busy lol

gaunt skiff
#

ok np :p

undone coral
#

this is essential to the next steps

#

of developing a deep learned agent

soft hawk
#

Uh hmm I'm not sure what you mean without a scene

undone coral
#

your game has to exist, essentially, as a pure C# function of the form

[Pure]
(IGameState gameState, Metadata metadata) Transition(int action, IGameState currentState) { ... }
#

this function and anything it calls transitively (which by definition must also be pure) must not use anything in the UnityEngine namespace

#

the best implementation of IGameState is a struct with fixed arrays, which i believe you already made

#

since your game doesn't interact with PhysX, you should be able to author this function without using UnityEngine

soft hawk
#

I haven't seen anything about these requirements in the unity ml-agents documentation

undone coral
#

you can find the library online that provides Vector3 but even that i would avoid

undone coral
soft hawk
#

how so?

frank peak
#

any thoughts on how i can optimize my pathfinding beyond checking if (neighbour.GCost < currentNode.GCost) { //do stuff like reroutign the path }

undone coral
#

the straightforward answer is that interacting with a unity scene is too slow to train a deep learned agent

frank peak
#

relevant screenshot (blue line)

unknown.png
undone coral
#

the philosophical answer is that ml-agents is designed for a very specific fake problem, where you set up something that is a potemkin village of a real problem, hide the exact answer for a brute for search to find, and eventually it does find it and it "works"

#

that is why there is no impactful published literature with ML-Agents

#

or bots for that matter

#

it kind of sets you up for failure

#

if you follow what it is designed for

soft hawk
#

I mean I could rewrite a bunch of stuff but I went into this with the assumption I would just use ML-Agents

undone coral
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it's designed for creating demos

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you can still use ML-Agents

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but to create a competitive bot, it doesn't help you

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it can get in the way

soft hawk
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What do you mean by competitive?

undone coral
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a deep learned bot that plays well

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that can defeat your heuristic bot, for starters

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you're going to discover that ml agents is too slow to train against the heuristic bot

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as your bootstrapping step (that's why you authored it)

frank peak
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why not use utility ai + finite state machines (stuff like monte carlo tree search) 🙂

undone coral
frank peak
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might be hard to design for your particular situation tho

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ah

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mb

undone coral
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that evaluates 100% of the expansion up to a certain depth 🙂

frank peak
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thats sick

undone coral
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it's more like a monte carlo brute force search

frank peak
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hahhaha

soft hawk
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The current bot cheats though, so it probably would be better than an ML agent, but that's not the problem I'm trying to solve. I want a bot that is lightweight enough for platform independance. Current bot is too slow and CPU bound, it will play stupider the slower the system it runs on

undone coral
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i don't know if puzzle fighter tells you what the next piece is going to be

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The current bot cheats though
you mean because it knows the next pieces?

soft hawk
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Yes

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It looks ahead an arbitrary number of pieces in the piece queue

undone coral
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the alphago bot, which was more about the IT of botmaking than the bot itself, didn't have to predict the future

undone coral
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you're not doing a research project

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getting it faster is really important

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making a "pure" implementation will make it a lot faster

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the way these deep learned bots work is very sensitive to how the game state is represented

soft hawk
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I agree that why I designed it that way but I designed it mainly as a training aid

undone coral
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so alphago worked because Go boards already look like matrices

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you can evaluate the rules of Go as matrix math

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i'm not saying you have to cross that bridge now

soft hawk
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It "works", but it works on an i7 oc'd to the gills lol

undone coral
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but consider they used like a megawatt of power an hour for two weeks to train the bot

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or something obscene (and completely deflationary) like that

frank peak
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dayumn is that alot it sounds like alot

undone coral
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you will need the pure implementation because, for the purposes of figure out what is working

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you're going to start with a puzzle fighter board that is

soft hawk
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It's a lot but I think this game is much much simpler than Go, honestly

undone coral
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5x5 large

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puzzle fighter is a lot more complicated than go to a computer

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go is simple in ways that mattered to their problem and the mythos around it was a big lie

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you can express the go rules in matrix math

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it's like it's purpose built for deep learning

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evaluating frame by frame in the unity scene is going to be way too slow anyway

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but i think you'll cross that brdige

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like you can make a version that works with a 3x3 board or whatever

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like as small as possible

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so that you're not sitting there twiddling your thumbs

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there's a lot to "prove"

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on your journey to a bot that can at least be trained correctly without exceptions

soft hawk
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ok well... I can sit down and play puzzle fighter at an above average level with minimal prior experience. I'm straight terrible at Go. That's why I think this will be easier

undone coral
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lol

soft hawk
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I'm certain I could train an ml-agent on a 5x5 board very quickly

undone coral
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there's a lot of "easy" hiding inside games

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that's the best strategy then

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start with smaller boards

soft hawk
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5x5 the current bot can solve 4 deep in less than 50ms

undone coral
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maybe that's all it'll take to make slow things fast for now

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like take the starcraft bot deep mind developed

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there was a lot of hand wringing trying to explain that the bot did not have superhuman dexterity or whatever

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but in real competitive starcraft 2, you only need to have excess dexterity compared to your opponent, not superhuman dexterity, and only for like 5 seconds out of a 15-30m match, to win

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which if you watch their carefully scripted demos that's exactly what happens

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the bot has better dexterity for 5s, and then the human expert concedes

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it is still a huge achievement scientifically

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but the game could have removed all of its basebuilding stuff

frank peak
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you are blowing my mind with all this info

undone coral
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and just be a stalker portal simulator

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and the computer only has to correctly portal out 1 extra stalker than a human would to win an entire starcraft match

frank peak
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wow

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sc2 ez gg

undone coral
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so there is something hiding in there for the computer to find, the right answer

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i don't know if that's true with puzzle fighter

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it would be really cool if it is