🎥┃cinemachine

[solemn skiff]

why does the near clip plane keep resetting back to 0.01 every time I enter play mode?

that clip plane is the only way I've found that stops the orthographic camera from cutting off the bottom of the screen

[steady estuary]

-100 is invalid. How can a near clip plane be negative? Probably resetting to the smallest valid value.

[solemn skiff]

no, its normal to have a clip plane be negative, it means the clipping will happen behind the camera

[steady estuary]

Is that in editor?

[solemn skiff]

yeah

[steady estuary]

Has it worked in runtime

[solemn skiff]

I enter playmode in the video, but once I exit, it defaults back to 0.01

[steady estuary]

Does it work in play mode

Oh it did in that video?

[solemn skiff]

yeah

I guess I can just go with a different angle to stop clipping, but its odd for it to reset each time

[steady estuary]

Hmm. Sure looks like it clamps to the smallest non-negative number, perhaps suggesting negative clip plane is not supported (even if it works)

[solemn skiff]

thats what the near clip plane actually does, reducing it shifts that plane back. The far clip plane is on the other side of that cuboid

[steady estuary]

I know what a clip plane does

Negative values just don’t make sense to me.

[solemn skiff]

I guess so, they probably forgot to add a Min(0.01) attribute

[solemn skiff]

why not?

[steady estuary]

It’s the closest distance from the camera at which objects get rendered

Why not move the camera if you need things rendered

Maybe things work differently in orthographic

[solemn skiff]

I'll just adjust the camera so it cant clip below the floor. It's just a shame it limits the range of angle I could have the camera

perhaps its just a performance thing, as in theory I could have a near clip of -1000 and unity would then begin rendering things that are behind the camera

[steady estuary]

Couldn’t this screw up things like depth buffers etc

[solemn skiff]

maybe? I'd think those take the planes into account, just that a larger distance between the planes would just reduce the contrast of the depth buffer

its not a problem, ill just adjust the camera to avoid clipping

it just felt like a strange thing to override is all, but im sure theres an internal reason. perhaps the docs explain why

[wispy steppe]

Hey I'm using Unity 6 and it seems like Cinemachine has changed up a lot of its scripts.
How do I get a simple follow/look at where I can specify a tracking distance

[steady estuary]

Add a Cinemachine camera. Then pick the position and rotation controls you want. https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/setup-follow-camera.html

[potent fable]

When using a camera confiner and a target group at the same time in unity2d the confiner doesn’t work at all. Is there a way to fix this or would you need a custom solution?

[late basin]

CM2 or CM3?

[potent fable]

I’m on the latest update on the 2022 LTS so I’m pretty sure 2

[late basin]

Are you just starting with CM, or are your scripts more heavily invested in it?

[potent fable]

No I don’t have any scripts for the cm the only components are the target group and confiner

[late basin]

Are you willing to upgrade to CM3? You don't have to, but IMO it's just better. You can do it by following these instructions to upgrade to CM 3.1.3: https://discussions.unity.com/t/how-do-i-install-a-specific-version-of-cinemachine/927513

[potent fable]

I’m not able to upgrade Unity versions because of the multiplayer engine I’m using 🥲

[late basin]

You don't need to upgrade unity versions, CM3 works with 2022.3

[potent fable]

Oh maybe I have cm 3 let me check my project 😅

[potent fable]

Nvm I’m on 2.1 will updating to 3 fix the issue?

[late basin]

2.1 is so old that I can't tell you what works differently on it. Please upgrade. I'm not promising that the issue will be fixed, but I can't help you if you're on 2.1.

[potent fable]

Yeah definitely I can’t believe I’m using something so out of date… I didn’t realize the updates wouldn’t show in the package manager. Also thanks for the help so far!

[late basin]

Hold on a sec - is your version of Cinemachine present in your project's Assets folder, or is it in Packages?

[potent fable]

I’m pretty sure it’s in packages

I was backing up my game quickly just in case I can check

[late basin]

In that case PackageManager should be flagging is as being out of date

[potent fable]

Yeah I updated it like a month ago so when I saw I was on 2.1 I was like wat.

[fair tiger]

Im using the new input system and I am making a fps game. Using cinemachine 3 how can I make it so the camera follows the player where ever he's looking? also I want to control the camera with the mouse. Any ideas?

[late basin]

There are several ways to do it. Lock at the CM samples. See FreeLook Deoccluder, FreeLook on Spherical Surface, ThirdPersonWithAimMode

[late basin]

For quick and dirty you can right-click on your target object, and choose this:

[dapper dome]

Question if i work with Cinemachine, does the maincamera or the virutal camera currently in use decide the shadow resolution point
or should i ask in ⁠cinemachine

or am i misunderstanding how the Cinemachine system works

[royal tartan]

The unity camera is responsible for all rendering.

Cinemachine merely positions and rotations the camera

[dapper dome]

so cinemachine virtual cameras reposition the main camera ?

so i dont need to worry about the shadow distances might be wrong when using it ?

cuz i was worrying about maybe the shadows beeing super low res for a player if the main camera is completly somewhere else then the virtual one

@royal tartan

please ping when you answer so i can find it tomorrow, as i go to sleep now

[royal tartan]

yes

[royal tartan]

Again virtual cameras don't do anything except position the Unity camera

the only way the vCam could be in a different place as the Unity camera is if it's not the active camera.

[dapper dome]

Thank you so much, yeah atleast one thing i can stop worrying about

[late basin]

Cinemachine can also manipulate the lens settings, don't forget that

[royal tartan]

Sure but not shadows.

I was keeping it simple

[fair tiger]

what would be the best choice specifically for fps?

[late basin]

There's no such thing as "best". It's context-dependent and depends in part on what character controller you're planning to use. Take a look at this, it comes all set up: https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/essentials/starter-assets-firstperson-updates-in-new-charactercontroller-pa-196525

[fair tiger]

I tried copying its settings but I can't get that same fps camera position also how can I look around? I head you can do it without scripting.

[late basin]

Are you trying to do first person or third person?

[fair tiger]

first person only

[late basin]

You can't do first person with codeless camera only. You need some kind of controller to move the player around. That means code. What code are you using for that?

[fair tiger]

my fps controller to move around > https://paste.ofcode.org/32e6i7rukNzLBUKb7z8TZjH

[late basin]

That code moves and rotates a GameObject/Rigidbody. Do you you want the CM camera to assume the same position and rotation as that object?

[fair tiger]

no I want to be able to move the camera around with the mouse

just a normal fps style

[late basin]

I don't understand. With an FPS camera, the camera is the player. There is no such thing as moving or rotating the camera.

[fair tiger]

should I not use cinemachine for fps? the only reason why I choose it cause before when ever I moved and looked around there was always a stutter and someone said I should use cinemachine as it might fix the problem

[fair tiger]

so I can't rotate the camera then?

[late basin]

I don't even understand what you want. The image you showed above is for a TPS, and what you are describing sounds like a TPS, but when I asked you you said you want an FPS. I don't get it.

[copper kayak]

I looked up this https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/setup-follow-camera.html

It say go to GameObject and select Cinemachine. I don't have cinemachine at all. Do I need to update Unity or download an addon?

[late basin]

You need to install CInemachine from the package manager

[fair tiger]

When I say fps I mean this >

[copper kayak]

fps = framerate per second

[fair tiger]

fps = first person shooter

[late basin]

ok, that's an FPS. Your controller code is already using the mouse move to rotate the object it's controlling, so it makes sense to rigidly attach the camera to that object. Then the camera will rotate along with it for free. Is that what you want?

[fair tiger]

yes

[copper kayak]

in the documentation, it say In the Unity menu, select GameObject > Cinemachine > Targeted Cameras > Follow Camera.

I don't have the Targeted Cameras

[late basin]

You are using an older version of CInemachine and a newer version of the docs. What is your Unity version?

[copper kayak]

2021.2.10

[late basin]

That's ancient. Why so old?

[copper kayak]

I started developing my game that year and never updated unity since

I took a 4 years break

[late basin]

That version of Unity is no longer supported. You can take your chances with it if you like, or upgrade to something more recent. If you want to stay with the old version, you can use the doc for CM2: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@2.10/manual/index.html

[copper kayak]

I hope upgrading wont break stuff

[late basin]

It might. Make a backup first

[late basin]

You can set it up like this, but it won't work unless you change your controller script. There are some problems with it.

[fair tiger]

What sort of problems?

[late basin]

Does it work when you don't use Cinemachine? Apart from the jitter.

[fair tiger]

Yh, the whole point of me using cinemachine is to stop the jitter hopefully

[late basin]

CM won't stop that script from jittering. It's breaking the Rigidbody rules. Only ever move or rotate Rigidbodies in FixedUpdate, never Update. One way to fix it is to capture the mouse input on Update, and apply it in FixedUpdate. That will probably stop your jitter.

[fair tiger]

just to clarify should the camera be a child of the player that has a rigidbody?

[copper kayak]

How to debug this? Playing with cinemachine camera.

I think the space where it's glitching there was no sprite at all

could it be a shader issue?

[royal tartan]

What are we looking at here?

[copper kayak]

well this happen at the edge of my world. I don't know what is causing this. I checked my shaders and they aren't responsible for this glitch.

[royal tartan]

What do you mean by "this"?

I have no idea what this image is showing

[copper kayak]

I can try to describe the image.

Let's start with this:

This is at the edge of the world. There is no sprites where the image is duplicating

[royal tartan]

what are your camera settings? This doesn't look cinemachine related

cinemachine doesn't render anything

this looks like a "don't clear" camera background

[copper kayak]

oooh that might be it

[royal tartan]

basically it's just the screen buffer holding onto whatever the most recent pixels you rendered there

[copper kayak]

thanks for pointing out the cause of the issue

[rugged iron]

Hey!

I've taken a script from the samples of cinemachine for 2D

using Unity.Cinemachine;
using UnityEngine;

namespace Root
{
    /// <summary>
    /// This class inherits CinemachineCameraManagerBase, which is a convenient base class for
    /// making complex cameras by transitioning between a number of worker cameras, depending
    /// on some arbitrary game state.
    /// 
    /// In this case, we monitor the player's facing direction and motion, and select a camera
    /// with the appropriate settings.  CinemachineCameraManagerBase takes care of handling the blends.
    /// </summary>
    [ExecuteAlways]
    public class PlatformerCameraManager : CinemachineCameraManagerBase
    {
        public enum PlayerState
        {
            Right,
            Left,
            FallingRight,
            FallingLeft
        }

        [Space]
        public float FallingSpeedThreshold = 0.1f;

        // The cameras in these fields must be GameObject children of the manager camera.
        [Header("State Cameras")]
        [ChildCameraProperty] public CinemachineVirtualCameraBase RightCamera;
        [ChildCameraProperty] public CinemachineVirtualCameraBase LeftCamera;
        [ChildCameraProperty] public CinemachineVirtualCameraBase FallingRightCamera;
        [ChildCameraProperty] public CinemachineVirtualCameraBase FallingLeftCamera;

        private Rigidbody2D player;
        private PlayerController playerController;

        protected override void OnEnable()
        {
            base.OnEnable();
            var target = DefaultTarget.Enabled ? DefaultTarget.Target.TrackingTarget : null;

            if (target != null)
            {
                target.TryGetComponent(out player);
                target.TryGetComponent(out playerController);
            }

            if (player == null)
                Debug.LogError("PlatformerCamera2D: Default target must be set to Player with a Rigidbody2D");
        }

        {
            bool isLeft = false;
            bool isFalling = false;

            if (player != null)
            {
                if (playerController != null)
                    isLeft = Mathf.Abs(playerController.transform.rotation.eulerAngles.y) > 90;
#if UNITY_6000_1_OR_NEWER
                isFalling = m_Player.linearVelocity.y < -FallingSpeedThreshold;
#else
                #pragma warning disable CS0618 // obsolete for 6000.0.0f11 and newer
                isFalling = player.velocity.y < -FallingSpeedThreshold;
                #pragma warning restore CS0618
#endif
            }
            if (isFalling)
                return isLeft ? PlayerState.FallingLeft : PlayerState.FallingRight;

            return isLeft ? PlayerState.Left : PlayerState.Right;
        }

        /// <summary>
        /// Choose the appropriate child camera depending on player state.
        /// </summary>
        protected override CinemachineVirtualCameraBase ChooseCurrentCamera(Vector3 worldUp, float deltaTime)
        {
            return GetPlayerState() switch
            {
                PlayerState.Left => LeftCamera,
                PlayerState.FallingRight => FallingRightCamera,
                PlayerState.FallingLeft => FallingLeftCamera,
                _ => RightCamera,
            };
        }
    }
}

Why do I have this No GUI Implemented problem?

Any known fix?

[royal tartan]

Presumably you failed to copy over the necessary editor scripts as well for ChildCameraProperty etc

presumably there's a PropertyDrawer for that or something

[rugged iron]

The problem is exactly the same in the samples :/

[royal tartan]

if the problem exists in the samples too then I'm not sure why you would expect it to work in your project

[rugged iron]

Well I don't

[royal tartan]

So what's the question exactly

[rugged iron]

I don't know how I could make the fields work :/

[royal tartan]

Just get rid of that [ChildCameraProperty] attribute

[rugged iron]

Even if I do so, I will still have problems for the "target" & "custom blends" fields :(

[royal tartan]

I think it seems pretty clear that you're just missing some editor scripts or perhaps using some code that's incompatible with your version of Cinemachine, or something of that nature

[rugged iron]

Yep, I'll check around the Cinemachine scripts if something allows using the cinemachine property attributes

[rugged iron]

Hmm the property drawers are in the cinemachine plugin.

I thought maybe the problem had to do with my script not being in the same assembly, so I used an assembly reference referencing the cinemachine runtime assembly

But nothing has changed

Well I give up haha

I can still access the fields by using inspector's debug mode, so I'll do that for now

[junior cobalt]

Hello, I am having trouble understanding how apsect ratio actually works in relation to the camera size. In the scene, you can see my camera (the white box) encompassing the entire room. You can also see what it is supposed to look like in the game scene whilst not active. However, when i press play, the size of the 'main camera' shifts from 12 to 7.5, causing the screen size to shrink. the Cinemachine VC still has a lens ortho at 12. Any idea on why this might be happening?

[royal tartan]

Orthographic size tells you half of the visible vertical space

If you switch to a smaller aspect ratio with the same orthographic size, you will see less of the world horizontally

If you want to always show the same amount of horizontal space, you'll need to write some small code to modify the orthographic size based on the aspect ratio

Tldr it's because you're switching to a different aspect ratio

[junior cobalt]

Thank you very much, ill look into that tomorrow

[late basin]

If it's a child then you don't need any procedural motion, you can leave the CM camera at "none" for everything. If it's a separate object, then you need the procedural tracking.

[late basin]

I'm not seeing the problem in the samples for CM 3.1.3. Can you show an image? "No GUI Implemented" usually means that the inspector is using IMGUI but the property drawer only has a UIElements implementation. Do you have some default inspector code somewhere that's interfering and trying to make an IMGUI inspector? Here's what it looks like for me:

[rugged iron]

I don't 🤔 this is very strange

[late basin]

What version of Cinemachine are you using?

[rugged iron]

The last one

Updated the version this morning before working

[late basin]

The samples also?

[rugged iron]

Yep

I use Unity 6

6.0.0.1f1 or smth like this

I don't use editor scripts

(I mean not in this project)

[late basin]

Yes but I'm asking about the Cinemachine version, not the Unity version. You can check it in the package manager

[rugged iron]

I know, was just giving more info

[rugged iron]

I updated the package to its latest version before working

[late basin]

In that case I don't know what's happening. Can you repro the issue in a baby project and share it with me?

[rugged iron]

I'll have limited time tomorrow but I'll try this later for sure

It will not be until a couple days though, sorry in advance

[junior cobalt]

okay i looked into this (was late last night when i sent), but my aspect ratio is staying the same even when it 'shrinks' (16:9) the camera will get locked at a size of 7.25 when in playing mode.

From some research, I realised it was because of Pixel Perfect Camera that i completly forgot i had enabled. woops

although, i am still having trouble figuring out how to actually make the camera size the proper size ;-;

[junior cobalt]

im so confused. I want the camera size to be 6400 x 3600 with 128p per unit (dashed green rect), but for somereason it is stuck on being the size of the solid green rect, and i cannot change the camera sizes. if I turn on crop frame, itll stretch to the correct size, but i lose a ton of resolution. could someone explain how pp works?

do i want this to match the aspect ratio?

[royal tartan]

What resolution do you have set in your game view window?

[junior cobalt]

16:9

[errant shard]

Camera size isn't in pixels, it's in units from which the resolution is dynamically calculated from
You can't normally directly control the display resolution of the application, at least not force it bigger than the user's screen physically is
I'm curious if it's possible to use a reference resolution bigger than the display resolution, but if it is it's likely pointless because it won't be pixel perfect in any way

@junior cobalt To me it seems you're misunderstanding camera size, display resolution, game window resolution, PPU and pixel perfect reference resolution
I'd start by reading the documentation for each of those

After that it would be important to know what you're exactly trying to achieve
Why 6400 x 3600?

[junior cobalt]

Ill read those when i get home 👍

[junior cobalt]

With the 128x unit, it is the proper camera size from atleast what i could tell

*for the camera size i want

But my main goal is just to have a 16:9 whilst being allowed to control the cameras view size and not having the pixels get all wonky like they do without pixel perfect

I dont care how many actual pixels there are as long as it can properly display everything within that ratio and size

[errant shard]

Pixel perfect component emulates a specific resolution, you need to specify what it is, and follow the requirements because there are only so many ways pixel art can be scaled without distortion

The component doesn't inherently know what resolution your art is, and neither you or the component knows beforehand what size the user's screen will be, which is why it's so picky about being configured right

[junior cobalt]

So the pixel perfect wont work if someone like scales the window because the specific resolution would stay the same?

[errant shard]

It has settings to define what to do in that situation, like whether to letterbox, but it's possible none of those will help if the game window can be scaled freely

If you aren't after a specific pixel perfect resolution, another option to consider is some type of texture AA to smooth the pixel art instead when it's scaled
https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/2d/smooth-pixel-209066
https://github.com/9D-Tony/UnitySmoothPixelFiltering
Like one of these

[junior cobalt]

I see, would the issue persist if the game window could only be scaled in the 16:9 ratio?

[errant shard]

You'd have less issues but there would still have to be some specific method to resolve a situation where the screen size is "in between" integer scales of the reference resolution
For accurate non-wonky pixel art each sprite pixel will have to be precisely mapped into an integer grid of screen pixels

I may be explaining it inaccurately so I recommend you learn how the components are meant to be used and do some simple practical tests to see what kind of window scaling you can get it to support acceptably

[junior cobalt]

Oh jeez, i will definitely look into the smooth pixel filtering when i get home, and yeah i will definitely test around and read the documents. Thank you for the explanations

[junior cobalt]

my (majority of) sprites are 64x64, with 32 pixels per unit, so to my understanding my 'assets pixel per unit" under the pixel perfect camera. My character should be about 1/10th of the screen, the closest pixel ratio to that would be 1024x576. However, pixel perfect seems to only work at that specific dimensions (as that is what it is supposed to do to my understanding), and even then, im still getting some weird issues like the eyes on the left image having the left eye being thicker than the right. Beyond this, the screen works how i want it to, with a longer screen meaning a wider camera, vise versa with a taller screen, and with a equally increasing length and width of window dimensions, the total camera size stays the same. Is this where the smooth pixel filtering may help?

[mossy plinth]

Hey

it's been a while since I've used cinemachine, how do I tweak camera sensitivity?

is the only option accel time

[late basin]

There is also Gain

[mossy plinth]

ty

[plain warren]

how do i enable third persson mouse camera movement in cinemachine

[royal tartan]

FreeLook or Third Person Aim

[plain warren]

thanks bud

[dense heath]

Someone knows how to fix cinemachine freelook camera not to go through walls and instead zoom on the object?

[royal tartan]

Cinemachine Deoccluder or Cinemachine Collider

[dense heath]

Someone has a good config ?

[prime phoenix]

Hi folks, It's just the second week on unity. Could you please help me to figure out how to set handheld effect on my main camera ?

[steady estuary]

Very easy. https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/setup-apply-noise.html?q=noise

[prime phoenix]

Tks man, but cinemachine is correctly installed but there's no way to add it because it says it's deprecated and i cannot see into gameobject list as well

[steady estuary]

What version of Unity are you using? What version of Cinemachine (check Package Manager).

[prime phoenix]

unity 6 029f1 - Cinemachine 3.1.2

[steady estuary]

not sure why it would say deprecated.. please post screenshots of the inspector view showing this

[prime phoenix]

Ok just relanuched unity and everything is working. So i need to work with cinemachine camera or can i apply it main camera as well ?

[steady estuary]

no, cinemachine camera

Put the Cinemachine Brain on your main camera game object

Then create one or more Cinemachine Cameras

[prime phoenix]

Fantastic!!! It works, is it possible to stop it when player is not moving ?

[steady estuary]

Hmm.. I think you'd probably have to do that in code for your character controller. Like make the noise amount a function of movement.

[tacit matrix]

Isnt there a cinemachine component that can automatically determine whether you entered or exit a cinemachine area? Is there a way to achieve this (selecting cinemachine to use) without a script

[steady estuary]

Cinemachine Trigger Action

[shell maple]

I'm using the new input system and cinemachine. How can I control the sensitivity and make it work for mouse and controller?

[royal tartan]

In the settings on your Cinemachine components

There should be something called Gain

[shell maple]

I changed it and the mouse sensitivity has changed which is good but with the controller its still slow.

[late basin]

You can add processors on the input action itself to scale the values etc. Cinemachine's Gain will affect all connected actions, so you should set up the source actions accordingly

[shell maple]

I did

Just checked and it doesn't work on the mouse either

[late basin]

Are you sure you're adding it to the right action asset? CM maps to its own actions by default, and if you want to customize them, you'll first have to duplicate the default asset then make sure you're mapping to your new ones. Changing the names will help you notice that error.

[shell maple]

Your right it was on default lol

[shell maple]

When I did that why am I getting low fps?

[late basin]

idk

[late basin]

try closing all inspectors

[shell maple]

wdym?

[late basin]

You've got inspector open. For the actions (in he hidden tab) and for the CM camera. Unselect the CM camera so that the inspector shows nothing, and close the actions tab. Does that change the fps?

[shell maple]

Didn't work why is this breaking everything?? now my mouse movement is inverted what the fuck is going on lol

Is there anything wrong in the settings?

[late basin]

Look at the CM default actions, see what processors they have. That might be a clue. Mayve you have to scale by a negative value to invert

[shell maple]

in the gain?

[late basin]

The CinemachineInputAxisControl setup looks fine. Now you have to check your actions to see the signal that you're delivering to Cinemachine. Examine the processors there. Look at the CM Default asset as an example.

[shell maple]

This one is CM

[late basin]

ok. Seee the DeltaTimeScale processor on the mouse? That's important

[late basin]

If you set up the same thing, you should get the same result. Then you can tweak it.

[shell maple]

Right the sensitivity is fixed I think the issue now is the mouse control is inverted and the fps is low it starts from 160+ goes down to 20 - 50 - 40 just randomly goes between those numbers

[late basin]

There is no reason that changing the input actions should affect FPS. Mouse controls will not invert with same settings. Settings must be different somewhere (perhaps a -ve gain or scaling somewhere?)

[shell maple]

Bro I have only 2 script the player movement and the input handler I doubled checked everywhere can't find anything out of place or im just dumb

[late basin]

Narrow it down by changing things one by one unil the problem disappears

[shell maple]

Im getting this error what does this mean?

when I move there are more errors

[late basin]

Looks like an input system error. Does it persist if you restart Unity?

[shell maple]

Hold on I will restart it

[shell maple]

OMFG THANK YOU!!

Not only have the errors are gone

the fps does not drop anymore!!

Just the inverted mouse

[late basin]

yeah, sometimes that sort of thing happens. Input system was in some kind of weird state. For inversion, check your gain and scaling compared to CM defaults. You'll probably find a misplaced -ve somewhere

[shell maple]

wdym -ve ?

[late basin]

if you scale by a negative value, it will ivert the direction

[shell maple]

Can I open up another input action editor to compare the 2?

[late basin]

idk try it

[late basin]

you can just add a - to the scale value of the one that's inverted

[shell maple]

Easy fix!

[late basin]

You could also have scaled the Y value by -0.1, would work just as well.

[shell maple]

Thanks for the help!

[shell maple]

Do I need to worry about these errors? how do I fix them?

[late basin]

yes, those are bad

[shell maple]

how would I fix them?

[late basin]

idk. Ask over on https://discord.com/channels/489222168727519232/763502300781477948

[shell maple]

how would I change the controller sensitivity? would I just increase the scale vector 2?

[late basin]

For individual actions, yes. If you want to scale all the actions mapped to an axis at once in the same way, use CinemachineInputAxisController Gain for the driven axis in question

[hushed flax]

How to use two cameras in a cinematic machine?

One camera

two cinemamachine

how to disable post processing in the second cinemachine? or how to make it not affect the UI?

[tacit matrix]

I remember using something else, but this works perfectly as well. Thank you

[tacit matrix]

does the cinemachineTriggerAction only works for charactercontroller?

[broken cove]

so why does Cinemachine Collider script work with these settings.... but not the Deoccluder one?

Deoccluder just spins my camera around crazily.... but the old Collider actually works?

like I have to set minimum distance from target to "1" just for it to somewhat work... but even then it doesn't work nearly as well as the Collider?

https://gyazo.com/0987b36fbde767046bc22d10c2524b43

[late basin]

Triggers require Rigidbody, not just collider. CharacterController is a kind of Rigidbody.

[late basin]

They should be equivalent. It's hard to say what's going on without more info. Can you show the hierarchy? I don't understand how your camera is moving - you have no procedural motion on it. Also in your video you have it colliding against Everything, not Default.

[tacit matrix]

This worked! I remember I did try rb earlier but didn't worked. I think Rigidbody trigger is a lot better to use than another cc, thank you 👍

[broken cove]

https://medal.tv/games/requested/clips/k1fmmxH7KWMkT4wDX?invite=cr-MSx4WEQsMTAzMjUyMzY

I am using a Playmaker Action (Simple Look) to control the camera movement. While I know a little bit of C#, still pretty new.

a description of the action itself

here is the hirearchy itself

[late basin]

@broken cove I'm not familiar with Playmaker, so can't really comment on the way it interacts with the rest of Unity. It's not obvious that it would interfere with Cinemachine, but you nenver know. One thing I can suggest: stick to Playmaker for your game action, but try to use Cinemachine cameras outside of Playmaker. Set them up separately. You'll get higher quality cameras and have greater control. Have a look at the CInemachine Sample scenes. I think the FreeLook Deoccluder scene is implementing the kind of camera you want.

[fair tiger]

Is it possible to make this type of headbob with CineMachine? If so how?

https://youtu.be/UDF1GSzA9JQ?si=Ub6SEuwteWt4pwUX

[marsh coyote]

Trying to make camera bounds for the cinemachine camera. I'm using 2 box colliders that are merged with a composite collider. When the player goes from one box collider to the other, the camera does this.

[late basin]

Anything you can do with a plain camera, you can do with Cinemachine. If you're asking: does Cinemachine have an out-of-the-box "head bob" or "first person" feature, the answer is no.

[late basin]

Try increasing the Damping on the CinemachineConfiner2D.

[flat wyvern]

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[shell maple]

How can I make the cinemachine camera rotate with the player?

[errant shard]

Rotate in what specific way?

At simplest you can set the cinemachine camera to just copy the target's rotation

But that's rarely all that useful for player controls

[shell maple]

Rotate with the player

so when I select the player and rotate him I want the cinemachine camera to rotate with it as well

[gilded lion]

Hey all, I'm following the John Lemon 3d tutorial on unity learn, but it looks a little dated. There's no menu in the toolbar for this cinemachine > create virtual cam.

Do you know what the closest route is with the updated unity?
Image

I see the follwing in game objects but I'm unsure how to proceed:

[royal tartan]

Yeah it's that menu now.

Cinemachine has had a complete overhaul basically

It would just be "Cinemachine Camera"

[gilded lion]

Thanks, I'll try that and try to make it work with the tutorial.

Any idea what the framing transposer references now?

[royal tartan]

Position Composer

(screnshot from my current project)

[gilded lion]

Is that a new component i'd need to add? I found that certain settings can bring up sub components with the camera

like altering position/rotation control

[royal tartan]

Yes it's a component you add to the Cinemachine Camera

[royal tartan]

In the old cinemachine there was a separate "cinemachine component" subcomponent system thingy

in new cinemachine they are just first class unity Components

[shell maple]

Here is a video and a picture, I have this animation I made and the cinemachine camera has to rotate with the player. Could I make a script that changes the rotation control when the animation plays?

I think that might be a good idea actually

[late basin]

No need for that, just tell PanTilt to use the Tracking Target as a reference frame, instead of "Parent Object"

[shell maple]

wow thanks for that

[marsh coyote]

How do I get rid of this empty space in the downwards slope without changing the cinemachine bounds ?

[shell maple]

Could I control it from a script? I only want the camera to rotate when the animation plays

[late basin]

yes

[shell maple]

thanks 👍

[late basin]

Your question is unclear. What do you want the camera to do? What does it do now? A video would help.

[marsh coyote]

@late basin Its the same issue I have with the camera here. I realized that the inner area marked in yellow is where the camera can freely move, but when its outside of it, that means its near the bounds

I realized that this inner area is the same as the bounds, which means that the way I set them up makes this area empty

Is there a way to fix it without changing the bounds?

[late basin]

I still don't understand what you're asking

[marsh coyote]

When the player goes to this slope, the camera does this, and I dont want this

I want the camera to follow the player regularly

[late basin]

You mean you want it to not be confined?

[marsh coyote]

I want it to be confined, but I dont want it to act this way on this slope

[late basin]

The yellow line is the way it is because if you change it - say by adding a slope, which is what I'm guessing you want - the camera will not be confined in that place. How do you want it to look?

[marsh coyote]

I want the boundary to cover the walls of this level

[late basin]

Then you have to put the bounding shape where you want it to be. I don't understand what the problem is.

[marsh coyote]

I MAKE the bounds how I want, but when I come to the area of the slope, the camera doesnt act how it acted before for a split second

I don't know how to describe this

@late basin Its like the camera transitions to a new area, despite it being a single area

[errant shard]

I might not be seeing it correctly, but looks like the camera has to avoid the sharp corner in your confiner collider

Perhaps the confiner should also be sloped

[late basin]

Yes. Add some content here and enlarge the bounds so the camera can go there safely.

[marsh coyote]

@late basin @errant shard Thank you both, it worked

[shell maple]

I want to add a leaning feature where the player can lean left or right. I'm a bit confused on how to do it. I can't move or rotate both cinemachine and normal camera. I can't move the position of the camHolder that they are in but I can rotate it. For the cinemachine tracking target which is a child of the player I can move its position but I can not move its rotation at all. What would be a simple way of doing this?

If I change the reference frame to Tracking Target it lets me change the position & rotation for the tracking target for cinemachine BUT changing the reference frame and when playing it feels weird and too fast

[late basin]

That is what I would have suggested. What do you mean "when playing it feels weird and too fast"?

[shell maple]

when I look around the sensitivity in increased ALOT

for some reason

[shell maple]

this happens

[late basin]

I don't see why that would be. CM's sensitivity doesn't care about the reference frame. Maybe you also have some code somewhere that's rotating the CamFollowPoint object when you move the mouse, so the effects are combining?

[shell maple]

Im only changing the camfollowpoint when crouching.

should I have another empty game object for target tracking?

[shell maple]

Just tried this and it didn't help..

[late basin]

If you use TrackingTarget as PanTilt reference frame, you must make sure that the tracking target isn't rotating on its own (except in order to add your desired roll). Its forward should always be player's forward. Maybe you can temporarily add a cube or some shape to your camfollowpoint, so you can see in the scene view what it's doing. Put reference frame back to Parent for now.

[late basin]

Well there you go. It's spinning and it shouldn't. Find your code that's making it spin, and disable it.

[shell maple]

your right its my fps controller script

[shell maple]

before I do that would making a new empty game object that's not being using in any script fix it?

[shell maple]

Just found the problem, The code to rotate the rigid body when looking around.

whats wrong with it tho? a bit confused and why is it making the camera do that.

[late basin]

Because when you rotate your player, you're also rotating its children, creating a feedback loop with the camera. Fixing it will require some care. If you want your player to face its direction of motion when it's moving, you'll have to write some code to preserve your camfollowpoint's rotation when its parent rotates.

[fair tiger]

I made a lean/tilt script where the player can tilt/lean. I made it so the leaningFX follows where ever your looking and the child which is the CM tracking target does the leaning. When I look around it violently spins around very fast. How can I fix this issue.

https://paste.ofcode.org/56RhRvJWAErTenhS9djcrH

[late basin]

You probably have a script that's modifying the tracking target's rotation in undesirable ways. Find that code and disable it. My guess is that somewhere you're using Camera Forward as input to your rotation algorithm, and now you've got a feedback loop.

[unborn perch]

Is utilising cinemachine standard practice/widely preferred for first person?

I was wondering whether I should be using it or coding the camera controls manually

[errant shard]

"Standard" is relative, but if you're considering coding in features it already has for you then I would prefer it

I like that it's flexible and has features you might want to decide to use later

[unborn perch]

what type of features? For this project I was only looking for the most simple FPS camera. Granted that would be easy to code but I know that some features are way smoother than attempting to code it yourself, especially when it comes to visuals like cameras

[errant shard]

Most of the features are for moving cameras in many ways
But the most important one may be the layer of separation between cameras and how they're moved
If you code the camera to move in a specific way, then need to later swap to a different kind of motion, you need to modify the code to allow for that conditionally
Then later if you need to blend to a different point of view, you need to modify your code even more to allow for blending

Because the responsibility of which script or method is ultimately moving the camera changes each time

Cinemachine is always responsible for the real camera, and you can determine that in a top down way using the virtual cinemachine cameras

If you need nothing but a first person perspective camera, it won't do much
But if you additionally want something like temporarily turning the camera to face a point of interest, you won't need to separately code the swapping and smoothing since CM has that already

CM also simplifies blending between different head bobs, leaning, crouching or other dynamic animations
Or static ones as well like blending to a first person cutscene without a hard cut

[zinc topaz]

When using cinemachieneBrains Update Method: Smart, my Camera movement works really well and smooth. However the rigidbody it follows is clunky. When therefore using the UpdateMethod "FixedUpdate", the Rigidbody of the follow Transform Object works smoothly, however the camera movement it messed up. How can this be fixed? There is no camera script, it just follows the Frog GO.

https://youtu.be/UXW853g3EXM

[late basin]

https://discussions.unity.com/t/what-cinemachiene-updatemethod-can-i-use/1628761/2

[loud sinew]

anyone know if it possible somehow to use box collider2d for the cinemachine confiner? its so annoying to edit the polygon collider every level

[leaden garnet]

Help, I need help to fix all these errors from this free parkour pack please 🤔 https://github.com/knela96/Dynamic-Parkour-System/blob/Git-Pages/docs/Downloads/DynamicParkourSystem_Documentation.pdf

[late basin]

Open the package manager and downgrade Cinemachine to 2.10.3, and the errors should disappear

[leaden garnet]

Thanks 👍 And any fix for the purple material please ?

And also I have the cursor always appearing and i can't jump 🥲

[late basin]

Dunno what that is. Probably a render pipeline mismatch. You'll have to dig into that asset and find out what their requirements are.

[leaden garnet]

solved 👍

[late basin]

RTFM, right:? 😄

[leaden garnet]

what ? 😄

[pulsar willow]

anybody know why there is no lookat target option available for me in cinemachine 3? i only have a tracking target but i need both, im trying to do a lockon camera that keeps my player in the frame whilst locking onto something else such as an enemy

[fallen halo]

Hello!
For a school project, I am doing a split screen local coop game. I spawn both players with the Player Input Manager component. Both players have a cinemachine camera + camera. But for some reason, when the 2nd player spawns in, the normal camera. Goes to the position of the 1st spawned player.

Anyone knows a possible fix for this?

[pulsar willow]

i believe you might need 2 seperate main cameras with a cinemachine brain but im not 100%. worth a try

[pulsar willow]

update: i found a little checkbox for it

[fallen halo]

both players have it, but still does not work.

[royal tartan]

Tracking target replaced it

if you need a separate follow/look at target then you hit the gear and do that there

[pulsar willow]

yep i found it and got everything working ! thanks !

[royal tartan]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/CinemachineMultipleCameras.html

Read this - it explains how to properly set it up. You need channels.

[fallen halo]

I really appreciate it, thanks a lot!

[fallen halo]

@royal tartan Is it possible to set the channels differently for the players through code? Since both players are spawned by the Player Input Manager componenent. I can't just say in the script

cmBrain.ChannelMask = OutputChannels.Channel01;

Both players use the same scripts, do you know if there is if i can check if a cinemachinebrain is already on a channel?

so then i can set the other player to a different channel

[royal tartan]

you would have each instance of the script do this:

• Assign the brain to a channel based on the playerId
• Assign the cinemachine camera to that same channel

e.g.

[CinemachineCamera]
cmCam;
[CinemachineBrain]
cmBrain;

void Start() {
  int myPlayerId = // This depends how you are doing things but if you're using PlayerINputManager for example it would be `myPlayerInput.playerIndex; or something like that
  OutputChannels channel = (OutputChannels)((int)OutputChannels.Channel01 << myPlayerId);
  cmCam.OutputChannels = channel;
  cmBrain.ChannelMask = channel;
}```

something like this

assuming playerIds are simple 0, 1, 2, 3, etc values

[fallen halo]

thanks a lot, that helps me out a lot!

It worked

thanks you so much!!

[raven vapor]

Hi everyone, just got a question, i am using cinemachine dolly spline cam and i only have one spline atm. How do i make it so i can have multiple tracks and the camera switches to the other tracks once its done?

[hushed flax]

Hey guys

how do I switch between cameras?

I'm switching between the virtual ones correctly, but I can't turn off post processing there.

or how do I turn off post-processing when I'm at my computer? because I can't see the UI because of it.

[stark orchid]

Yoooo I have this issue with Cinemachien

I want to add a target to a target group by script

But it doesn't work

void Start()
{
cam = GameObject.FindWithTag("Cinemachine");
        cam.GetComponent<CinemachineTargetGroup.Target>();

List<CinemachineTargetGroup.Target> targets = new List<CinemachineTargetGroup.Target>();
        targets.Add(new CinemachineTargetGroup.Target {trans, 0.8f, 1f});

{```

[royal tartan]

You made a list and did nothing with it

Also CinemachineTargetGroup.Target is not a component

So you have some basic programming errors here to resolve

[prisma harbor]

hi do anyone know why does it keeps flashing a light whenever i move the camera? https://youtu.be/nEdVam1KHs0

[royal tartan]

without seeing all the objects in the scene we can only guess.

presumably something inside that ThirdPersonPlayer object

Not likely to be Cinemachine related.

[prisma harbor]

i see thank you

[prisma harbor]

how can i make the camera adjust to get closer to the player if theres a wall then stretches out to its original distance if theres no wall

[royal tartan]

Use Cinemachine Deoccluder and/or Cinemachine COllider

[prisma harbor]

how can i adjust it to have atleast 3m away from the character

[late basin]

You're not using CInemachine correctly. I suggest you have a look at some of the sample scenes that ship with Cinemachine. Find a camera style you like, and imitate the setup. It won't hurt to check out the essential elements doc to put you on the right path: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/concept-essential-elements.html

[prisma harbor]

i see though i dont know what are sample scenes or how to access them im kinda new to unity

[late basin]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/samples-import.html#:~:text=In Package Manager's right pane,Cinemachine > [version number].

[tight trellis]

Trying to set up a set of vitual cameras, one for each room for the player to swap between, (2d environment) and there's no option for the first step for that

[royal tartan]

you're following a tutorial for CInemachine 2.xxx

[tight trellis]

the first step in th tutorial to add a virtual camera is to find it in the create menu

[royal tartan]

you're on Cinemachine 3.xx

[tight trellis]

Ohhh I see

[royal tartan]

Virtual camera is now just called CinemachineCamera

you probably want the 2D cameras though

they will come with a Position Composer out the box

Position Composer replaces Framing Transposer from CM 2

[tight trellis]

I see, what does the framing transposer/position composer do?

[royal tartan]

positions the camera according to the positon of the target object

if you just want each one to be static

then you can just use a basic CinemachineCamera

[tight trellis]

Each one is going to be a static room camera, so that seems the best solution. Would I need the position composer to implement screenshake?

[royal tartan]

no

~~https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/setup-apply-noise.html~~

And/Or: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/CinemachineImpulse.html

[tight trellis]

Thank you, that's super helpful

[tight trellis]

when I add a new cinemachine camera, it defaults to being massive instead of the existing camera's 4.5 units

is there a way to fix this or do I just need to do it by hand?

so, I add a cinemachine brain to my existing camera

then I add a new cinemachine camera

the active main camera now shows the view of my new cinemachine camera

is this intended? I expected the main camera to be the "first" camera and the first cinemachine camera to be the second camera, it it instead supposed to replace my first camera?

[royal tartan]

Yes it's intended

the way it works is the brain finds the active camera with the highest priority and "becomes" that camera

until that camera gets deactivated or some other camera has a higher priority

it doesn't replace anything

[tight trellis]

I think I get it, the cinemachine camera isn't a camera, it's a point broadcasting "Camera, come to me and also adopt these settings"

if I apply something like a tint to a virtual camera, will the camera Lerp between the values the same way it Lerps the position?

[royal tartan]

Yes to your first sentence.
No to the second. There is no such concept. Cinemachine is only about positioning/rotating the camera (and also lens settings)

[late basin]

If you add a CinemachineVolumeSettings extension to the CinemachineCamera, you can set the tint there (and any other PostProcessing effects). The values will indeed lerp when you blend between cameras.

[late basin]

It can also blend PostProcessing settings

[royal tartan]

gotcha, I shouldn't speak on these things I know nothing about 😆

[late basin]

Well, you know now! Keep up the great work, your replies are awesome.

[latent spear]

hey, i have a problem, i have a third person controller using cinemachine using orbital follow, but the problem is that the horizontal and vertical sensitivity are different, is there a way to fix this?

[late basin]

Either adjust it in the input actions using processors, or adjust the Gain in the CinemachineInputAxisController

[latent spear]

yeah but i dont know how much its different, so i cant really adjust it like that, i mean i could do it like that but it wouldnt be perfect. and it also seems like when i adjust the height or radius in the orbital follow component, the sensitivity changes

i want the sens to be exactly 1:1

[late basin]

So look at the ranges, they are in degrees. The right scaling can be calculated by taking the ratio of the ranges

[latent spear]

okay so i have to scale the sensitivity every frame based on where the player is looking? because i just found out that the sensitivity is also based on if youre looking all the way down or in the middle

because the camera follow a curve that is much steeper when looking down or up so it has higher sensitivity

only way would be to make the curve a perfect circle maybe?

[late basin]

yes, if you want sensitivity over camera distance instead of camera angle, that is what you have to do to make it the same. There is an easy way:

[latent spear]

okay yeah, but if i dont want it to be a sphere i have to adjust the sens every frame right?

[late basin]

Possibly. You can make your own driver for the axis value. CinemachineInputAxisController is just the default.

OrbitalFollow is agnostic about how the axis value is driven, you can write a script to do it any way you like.

[fair tiger]

How can't I rotate the camera? Its a child of them so it should rotate no?

[late basin]

Because the rotation is procedurally driven by the PanTilt component. Anything you set in the transform gets immediately overwritten. You can change the reference frame to Parent Object, and rotate that.

[fair tiger]

Thanks

[fair tiger]

I have changed it to parent object but how can I make the Cam_leaning object follow the camera locally? I tried this objectToRotate.localRotation = targetCamera.localRotation; and it worked but it would make the cinemachine camera spin very fast why is that?

I think ive fixed it just put the target as cinemachine camera

[tight trellis]

If I want a camera to take a curved or wonky path between two virtual cameras, but it's likely just a one off, would it be faster to just configure some extra cameras between and tweaking the speed to get a curved path or learning some other system?

90% of the cases for camera movement in my game will just be basic straight swaps

2d environment, if that affects the answer

[late basin]

If you want a wonky path you can transition to a spline dolly camera

[unique light]

I made cinemachine follow a asset, however, if a asset is destroyed and it respawns it doesen't follow the clone, how do i fix that?

[fast orchid]

I'm not going to deep dive into this, since I'm not motivated to go 1:1 with people who have issues with volunteers not answering fast enough for them.

However, if you've destroyed and then reinstantiated an object, it is not the "same" one as the previous, so naturally a cinemachine camera will not magically decide to follow it.

You will need to programmatically assign the new object to the follow property of the cinemachine camera after you've instantiated the object.

[unique light]

How do i do that?

[unique light]

Also "issues with volunteers not answering fast enough" isn't personal. I was frustrated at the time since i spent like 2 hours trying to get the camera to work.

[mighty pewter]

Hi, I have a problem with the cinemachine camera randomly going black past a point when on lazy follow

[broken cove]

why is there an axis for other stuff in the Cinemachine camera example?

[late basin]

Because you're looking at the player controller, not the camera. All that stuff is to move and rotate the player.

[late basin]

There's nothing in the Cinemachine Camera to make that happen.

[broken cove]

which one controls the sensitivity?

[late basin]

The sensitivity of what?

[broken cove]

of how fast the third person camera would change in the ThirdPersonWithRoadieRun

[late basin]

Change how?

[broken cove]

mb turn

the sensitivity of a camera

is it still this same component I guess?

[late basin]

The CinemachineThirdPersonFollow locks rigidly onto its target, and rotates with it. This is the input controller to rotate the target. The axes controlled by the Mouse X and Mouse Y are the ones you're looking for. Adjust their Gain or Legacy Gain. There is confusion since you seem to have both the Input package and the native (legacy) input enabled. You need to make up your mind and choose one.

[broken cove]

looks easier to read now cause of that, ty

still debating on some stuff since I am going to remake my camera/player in the near future.

I imagine in my case I'd have a script feed a sensitivity float value to the Gain and Accel Time if I want players to change that correct?

[late basin]

yes

Note that those driven axes are dynamically populated, so your code will have to iterate and find the desired axes by name

[broken cove]

what might be the easiest example then to reference? or all Cinemachine examples like that?

[late basin]

it depends what you want to do

[broken cove]

what im trying to do is a third person camera where player only faces forward, but if they left click it goes to a camera on the left side to aim and if they right click a camera goes to the right side to aim. If nothing then go back to center.

• Always faces forward in all camera modes (like Fortnite or other TPS games)
• Left Click = Aim Left Camera (zooms in slightly and camera shifts to left)
• Right Click = Aim Right Camera (zooms in slightly and camera shifts to right)
• Can turn and tilt up and down in all modes, but doesn't rotate around the player. The player turns instead with the camera.

[late basin]

If you need a TP camera with precise aiming, then this is the way to go. Otherwise there are simpler options

[broken cove]

my terminology isn't.... great sorry lol (6 AM + I cant describe my mindset with words)

[late basin]

You can configure the sample scene to behave that way. Maybe start with the ThirdPersonWithAimMode sample. For fortnite-style controller, configure the PLayer Aiming Core to be Coupled (that means player rotates with the aiming core).

It's a controller setting, not a camera setting

In the sample, the custom camera rig sets the coupling mode depending on what the current camera is:

protected override CinemachineVirtualCameraBase ChooseCurrentCamera(Vector3 worldUp, float deltaTime)
{
   var oldCam = (CinemachineVirtualCameraBase)LiveChild;
   var newCam = IsAiming ? AimCamera : FreeCamera;
   if (AimController != null && oldCam != newCam)
   {
       // Set the mode of the player aim controller.
       // We want the player rotation to be copuled to the camera when aiming, otherwise not.
       AimController.PlayerRotation = IsAiming
           ? SimplePlayerAimController.CouplingMode.Coupled
           : SimplePlayerAimController.CouplingMode.Decoupled;
       AimController.RecenterPlayer();
   }
   return newCam;
}

You'll probably want to do something different

[broken cove]

looks like in the example it instantly changes from Coupled to Decoupled in play mode

so I have to change the code then so it works when not aiming?

[late basin]

yes, just comment out the bit above

[broken cove]

just realized how the Coupled When Moving works and thats pretty cool too 👀

[late basin]

Probably you'll want to make your own camera rig script, based on that one, but with 3 cameras

or just use the StateDriven camera if you want to drive camera selection from a state machine

[broken cove]

guess I could probably still try to use Playmaker to handle the camera switching mode and just rely on C# to handle the sensitivity values and everything else

although I did want to try to get away from Playmaker for anything player related

[late basin]

idk playmaker

[broken cove]

yeah not many do 😅 (cool visual coding solution)

[late basin]

sounds cool if you don't care about performance

[broken cove]

looking at this code, idk how difficult it'd be to make my own camera rig script honestly

[broken cove]

but I at least know about this which is a start, so I really appreciate that

and that Decoupled when moving is something I should debate on too if I want it... probably not but never know

[late basin]

Code is quite simple, it's based on CM classes that do a lot of work for you

[broken cove]

it just looks weird to me cause its 200 lines of code lol

[late basin]

?? it's only 80 and lots of it is comments

[broken cove]

the SimplePlayerAimController?

[late basin]

no, AimCameraRig.cs

It's job is to choose between Aim and Free camera, and to set the player's coupling mode depending on which is live

just make a new version of that which does what you want

You don't need to write your own player controller, you can just steal the CM sample one, it's pretty good

The same controller is used in all the CM samples. Check it out in FreeLook On Spherical Surface. It's very flexible

It's nice because it doesn't care which CM camera style you're using

[tardy pelican]

Hey yall, I've been having some quite peculiar issues with cinemachine, particularly when trying to look around on the horizontal axis (first person camera)

On my main development PC, and my teammate's laptop, the rotation works as intended. However on my and another teammate's laptop, it seems the horizontal axis rotation is locked/incredibly difficult to move, so effectively the player can only look up or down.

My current setup is the following:

• First person camera, implemented with third person follow
• Player is moved with a rigidbody, and I don't have experience with the Unity input system so inputs are handled with the classic "Keycode.key" implementation
• The camera follows an empty gameobject on the player, and the empty gameobject on the player is controlled with the following:

using UnityEngine;

public class PlayerCamera : MonoBehaviour
{
    public Transform cameraHolder;
    public float sensitivity = 2f;

    private float xRotation = 0f;

    private void LateUpdate()
    {
        float mouseX = Input.GetAxis("Mouse X") * sensitivity;
        float mouseY = Input.GetAxis("Mouse Y") * sensitivity;

        // Rotate the camera holder (vertical rotation - pitch)
        xRotation -= mouseY;
        xRotation = Mathf.Clamp(xRotation, -90f, 90f);
        
        cameraHolder.localRotation = Quaternion.Euler(xRotation, 0f, 0f);
        
        // Rotate the player body (horizontal rotation - yaw)
        transform.Rotate(Vector3.up * mouseX);
    }
}

Also attached the cinemachine camera settings and components + the hierarchy structure

• cinemachine brain settings as well

[tardy pelican]

It appears to be related to performance, just tested with a laptop on normal mode + battery saving mode

normal mode works as intended, battery saving mode makes the horizontal rotation very difficult, vertical rotation works as intended

[late basin]

Weird. Your setup seems fine to me, except for mixing FixedUpdate and LateUpdate. What happens when you switch your CMBrain to LateUpdate?

[tardy pelican]

Didn't improve the situation unfortunately

Tried SmartUpdate as well, and fixedupdate for the blend update method, same issues

[late basin]

Why did you set it to FixedUpdate?

[tardy pelican]

the update method or the blend method? blend method just out of experimentation, put it back on lateupdate

update method's on fixed because I read it was good if you were moving the player with rigidbody

particularly this tooltip

[late basin]

But you're not moving the camera target with RBs, you're moving it in LateUpdate. Put everything in LateUpdate, and if your player is a RB, then enable its interpolation

If you move it properly, according to the RB rules, then everything will be smooth. FixedUpdate in the Brain is a last resort, and is suboptimal

[tardy pelican]

i see, let me try

I did have interpolation turned on for the RB though, though this might help

[split flicker]

I have a question , is this the uuuhh right way to use cinemachine? I have so many camera cuts and angles for a 3 min cutscene , it's crazy XD. Also, Is there a nice way to manage these shots in a tool in unity. labels, filters, focuse buttons etc ?

[late basin]

idk why you're getting bad yaw rotation behaviour. I don't think it has to do with Cinemachine. As an experiment, disable the CM brain and the CM camera, and put the main camera as a direct child of the CameraTarget object. Do you still have the problem?

[tardy pelican]

oh i might've just realised what the issue was,

I'm doing transform.rotation on a physics object that has interpolation active, so the interpolation is interfering with the rotation

had the exact same thing happen when i was teleporting the player with transform.position

YEP it's just that i think, just tried it with a normal camera and got the same issue

[late basin]

Lots of cuts and angles means lots of CM cameras. You can name them carefully and put them all inside another GameObject to organize them in your scene, but apart from that we don't have any built-in tool to keep track of them. Maybe someone has made something.
I notice that you have a lot of animation tracks on the cameras. Chances are that you can make a lot of them go away by a judicious use of shot blending. It's a great way to take advantage of CInemachine's procedural nature. You're using CM2, but if you make a temp project with CM3 and install the samples, there's a nice cutscene example that illustrates what I'm talking about.

[tardy pelican]

yep MoveRotation() completely solved the issue, thanks for the tip on the experiment!!

[late basin]

This is old but excellent. It shows the right approach. https://youtu.be/8aYvX7JyYGI?si=JWm-kB9QHN8MKrUQ

[split flicker]

Ohhhhhhh CM3 + procedural sauce ..

I will 100% need to look it up

I am using a shit tone of aniamtions for sure

panning , zooming , pull outs etc

Thank you so much

[late basin]

In reality, you almost never need to animate anything on a CM camera, blending + procedural tracking does 99% of the work, and makes the timing really easy to control by just dragging the shots around in the timeline. Check out that video.

[split flicker]

Will do. Thanks a bunch. I did assume I was doning something wrong for sure .

it felt a little dirty

[late basin]

That's a good indicator 🙂

[split flicker]

Followup questioan, If I update to cm3 will my current setup break ?

[late basin]

It's possible that the upgrader fails to upgrade everything properly. It's supposed to, but you never know so backup your project first. Follow the upgrade guide: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/CinemachineUpgradeFrom2.html

[split flicker]

Ya, I upgraded and I came to the conclusion that using a dolly track, Zooming in, zooming out without actually having a 'To' camera will require animations .

So , as an example, If I have a camera shot from point A to B and I end on point B that's cool, I can use the timeline blend functions , but if I have a shot where camera 1 and camera 2 are widely different cuts, then I need to animate it.

Another great example would be .. If I want to punch in on a characters face . That requires 2 seperate cameras to do so with the blending . Camera 1 starting position and Camera 2 end position and a blend from 1 to 2. This can be achieved with an animation track and 1 camera .. Kinda depends on the approach I guess.. I could be wrong about this , but this was my findings looking at the sample cm3 projects.

Again super greatful for your help

[late basin]

If you've upgraded, be sure to finish the job! Don't leave these lying around, click the Upgrade Now button and upgrade the entire project.

[split flicker]

Yup! I did that 🔥

[zenith yarrow]

Guys i was practicing in unity creating a little car game, i managed to create the car controller thenks to the wheelcolliders but it seems i can't find a way to use the cinemachine camera to make the unity camera follow the car, could someone help me?

i tried to use the freelook camera but i don't think it's the correct choice for a car, so i wanted to try the ex cinemachine virtual camera but it seems i can't figure out how to use it :D.
I also followed some tutorial on yt but nothing

this is what i have right now

[late basin]

You need to give it some kind of procedural motion, otherwise it's a passive camera that just sits there. Try putting Follow in PositionControl, and RotationComposer in RotationControl. Set the Follow's Binding mode to Lazy Follow.

[zenith yarrow]

It kinda worked, tyvm, where can i find information about the procedural motion?

[late basin]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/index.html and more specifically https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/3d-tracking-scenarios.html

[zenith yarrow]

tyvm

[ivory vigil]

Hi
I'm trying to use the cinemachine deoccluder module with the converted freecamera that follows my player, however I don't understand why it isn't working

Is anyone familiar with this component?

[late basin]

From the scene view, I can tell that it's working properly. Your mistake was to attach a Camera component, which is overriding Cinemachine's output. Remove it. The Camera component lives with the CinemachineBrain, and should not be part of your FreeLook hierarchy.

[late basin]

Read this: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/concept-essential-elements.html

[ivory vigil]

Ah I see, thanks

yeah I failed to understand how cinemachine works

[broken cove]

what could I do to make the camera not be permanently messed up once with the Cinemachine Deoccluder

https://gyazo.com/20b9ec71fbe92794c53fec15fa2f7f9c

seems like the position/rotation get permanently messed up when the camera runs into walls (by the Deoccluder).

In theory I can just force Rotation and Position to always be a specific value every frame, but then this isn't performant or makes it work with deoccluder.

Tried changing the values of smooth, damping, etc. but no luck

[late basin]

You seem to be using a passive camera, with no procedural motion, so there is nothing to put it back once it's been moved. Why don't you use the CM procedural components to implement your FreeLook? See the FreeLook With Deoccluder sample scene.

[split flicker]

Sup! I am trying to figure out why my character is stuttering all over the place I am 90% sure it's my cinemachine settings . it started happening after upgrading from CM2 to CM3.
Here are my settings :

Main Camera Brain(1)
FreeLookCamera Cinemachine camera (2)
PlayerController methods (3)

All my camera logic is running in uhhh Fixed and late update .

Can confirm it's the camera stuttering .

[late basin]

Looks like classic FixedUpdate/Update aliasing. Why are you doing anything in FixedUpdate? Are you using Rigidbodies? Can you show the inspector for the player and its hierarchy?

[split flicker]

Moving everything to fixed update fixed all the issues actually 🥹 here you go.

[late basin]

Mixing Fixed and regular update is a recipe for disaster unless you know what you're doing

You would do well to read up about it

[split flicker]

Yup. I tried ensuing all Rb work is in fixed along with the camera but I had some logic in late update

So late update is emplty now

[late basin]

You're not supposed to read input in FixedUpdate, so what most people do is read it in Update, store it, and use it in FixedUpdate

[split flicker]

Well that makes sense . I think I'll do the same then

Cool. New issue. handeling CM Camera collision indoors.

right now The collsion works great. Adding a ceiling forces the camera to go up and over instead of follow in with the player .

[late basin]

ThirdPersonFollow has built-in collision resolution. Why are you also adding decollider? You don't need it. Plus, you are telling it that all obstacles on the default layer are terrains, so it will put the camera on top of them.

[split flicker]

Without the decollider the camera does not collide at all

[late basin]

because this

[split flicker]

Ohhhhhhhhh

😅😅😅😅😅😅

❤️ thankuuuuu

[split flicker]

That fixed it all .. Thank you very much! I just moved over to CM3 so a lot of new things

[true plover]

Hey sorry first time using Cinemachine
Is there a reason that when I create my first dolly camera with track, it throws a cinemachine brain on my main camera and messes up its position

[vagrant oyster]

With cinemachine and a target group is there a way to make the virtual cam zoom to fit the whole target group while also not rotating at all? Also group composer zoom just isn't working at all for some reason.

[royal tartan]

use the position composer. the fact that it's a target group isn't relevant

[late basin]

Yes. When you create a CinemachineCamera via the menu, Unity assumes that you want to use Cinemachine to drive your camera, so it ensures that a CinemachineBrain is present on the camera. When this happens, Cinemachine immediately takes over the camera and starts driving it - that's what it's for. You can disable or remove the CinemachineBrain if you like, but then Cinemachine won't work until you put it back.

[late basin]

Assuming you're using CM2. Instead of the GroupComposer, use the FramingTransposer. It won't ever rotate the camera, and has group composition settings built-in if your target is a group.

[drifting umbra]

guys im new at unity and trying to follow an old guide for thirdperson lockon camera using cinemachine, im having problem assigning animation state in the state driven camera.
as you can see the state driven camera does have an animator component with the animator controller, and i have selected the base layer for the animator in the state driven section

but as you can see the state is blank and i cannot click it

am i doing smth wrong?, btw i did check using a friend's pc that is using an older cinemachine version 2.x and it worked normally, and i can choose the state

the version im using rn is Unity 6 with Cinemachine 3.1.3

nvm now it works by downgrading the version to the lowest 3.0.1

is this a bug then?

[late basin]

There should be no difference in this respect between 3.0.1 and 3.1.3. Can you try re-installing 3.1.3 and see if the problem returns? I'm wondering whether it was just a refresh problem.

[drifting umbra]

tried to go backk to 3.1.3 and it freezes

so im pretty sure im not tweaking

the plugin is

probably

idk

im new

[late basin]

wdym it freezes?

[drifting umbra]

when i cahnge back to 3.1.3 the tab for the animator state wont open again (blank)

but when i change it back to 3.0.1 it works again

[late basin]

ok thanks. We'll try to repro at our end

[late basin]

hmmm works for me with 3.1.3. What are you doing that's weird? Would you like to send me the broken project? You can just export a unitypackage with the necessary bits - basically the scene and the animator controller asset

[drifting umbra]

sure

can i just give you via dm or is there another way?

[late basin]

dm is fine

[silver marlin]

why isnt my camera moving?? help

[royal tartan]

hard to tell without seeing more context. Like - is the "player" object actually moving?
What does this "Hallway" collider look like?
Are there any other cinemachine cameras in the scene?
What are all the components on this object?

[silver marlin]

ofc one sec

so when the player touches the collider its supposed to move the cam to boundry2 by giving it a new boundry and there are no other cinemachine cameras in the scene

in the CMCam you can see the bounding shape changing but not the camera moving over

[royal tartan]

this is pretty unorthodox

the normal/better way to do this would be to use two CInemachineCameras

one for each room

and switch to the other room's camera when you enter it

[silver marlin]

ahhh okay

ill do that instead

[agile dove]

How do you make a first person camera with the new cinemachine? Cinemachine 2.x and 3.x look vastly different in both configuration and how things are labeled

[late basin]

It's not so different. The main changes are that some components have been renamed, and the old Cinemachine subcomponents (aim/body dropdowns) have been promoted to full-fledged Unity behaviours. See here for a more complete list: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/CinemachineUpgradeFrom2.html#what-has-changed-in-the-api

[agile dove]

I see, thanks a lot!

[agile dove]

I have made a 3rd person camera with cinemachine, and wanted to add in camera panning based off pointer delta. It seemingly is enabled, but it doesn't seem to work. I made sure to set it to my inputs

By doesn't work, I mean when I move my mouse, it doesn't pan

For more reference here is my input mappings for the Look action

[late basin]

That's not the right way to do it. ThirdPersonFollow is special, and requires the character controller to handle the Pan/Tilt. If you want to do it all inside the CInemachineCamera, create a FreeLook camera from the menu and use that instead of the one you made

[agile dove]

Ah gotcha

[late basin]

If you want to use the ThirdPersonFollow component, see the ThirdPersonWithAimMode scene in the CM samples (it comes with character controller code you can use), or follow this excellent tutorial: https://youtu.be/537B1kJp9YQ?si=dNf5ySfGO76EiXNy

[agile dove]

Thank you a lot!

You've been very helpful ^~^

[rose bloom]

Hello! I have a quick problem with Cinamachine's Camera brain. Specifically, the Blend update method. I have my camera position being set in LateUpdate, and right after that i set the postion and rotation of a game object (also in lateupdate). When i have blending update set to LateUpdate, my obj im moving is jitting / lagging behind my camera. When i have blending update set to fixed update, my character is lagging behind my cam, but the obj is smooth. I need the Camera.ScreenPointToRay() function to get where the build obj's position should be, and the ScreenPointToRay seems to "Lag" behind what the player sees. (Its a FP cam, rotate with follow, hard look at follow) Edit: Seems to be that "LateUpdate" for my player is called before cam update

[rose bloom]

Testing solution now: With cinamachine, seems like you need to resgister for callback after it's update to call ANYTHING that has to do with aiming. sucks if this is the case, but will edit afterwards

[royal tartan]

1. You're modifying the camera position manually instead of using CM components?
2. How is the character object moving

[late basin]

Yes indeed. CinemachineBrain updates late in the frame. This is so that targets are correctly tracked. If you need to do any calculations based on the camera's transform then you need to do after the CMBrain has positioned the camera. There are two ways to do this:

1. Install a handler for CInemachineCore.CameraUpdatedEvent and do the work there, or
2. Do it in a script's LateUpdate, and set the script's execution order to be after CinemachineBrain

[rose bloom]

im modifying the following target of the cinamachine, and it uses rigidbody (fixedupdate) for character movement, update for rotation.

[late basin]

This is a recipe for jitter

[royal tartan]

You need to turn on interpolation for that object

And make sure you're not modifying the Transform directly for it ever

Only the Rigidbody

[rose bloom]

sorry, lateupdate for rotation. I've froze the rb's rotation so rotation of player can be connected directly to mouse. i do not modify the position using transform, but do change the rotation.

[rose bloom]

turning on interprolation seems to completely break the rotation code though, wanted to freeze rotation of rb as i didnt want anything the player interacts with to be able to rotate the rb.

[rose bloom]

may i ask for a quick explanation of how this causes jitter please? i update the rotation of the target in update, so the camera rotates left/right up and down in fast response to the user input, and applying movement in fixed update, based on accumulated input from the input system.

[late basin]

Mixing movement (translation or rotation) in update and fixedupdate will cause aliasing problems because they are running on different timeclocks. This will result in uneven motion in the render frames. If you use camera damping when following such a target, it will jitter on the screen. If you don't use damping, then the target won't jitter on the screen (because the camera is rigidly attached and jitters along with it) but the background will jitter. That may or may not be acceptable to you.

[rose bloom]

I'm a bit confused, i dont think i understand what background means in this context. Its a fp cam, and i cant seem to get any anti-analising problems to happen while moving around with my current input system. do you mean like the edges of the screen, or like, things im looking at. I'm needing to use fixedupdate for movement as its a rigidbody system, and im needing to use update to update the camera values, as trying to do it in fixedupdate causes input delay to the player.

[late basin]

if it's working for you then I'm not trying to create problems

[rose bloom]

I'm wanting to avoid common problems if possible, so i want to understand the drawbacks of the current setup i have.

[late basin]

Standard practice is to move and rotate RBs exclusively in FixedUpdate. Is your RB kinematic or are you using forces etc? For input, normally you read the input in Update, store it, and apply it in FixedUpdate. This won't create lag unless your physics timestep is ridiculously large.

[rose bloom]

I move the RB in fixedupdate, non-kinamatic, but due to using primative colliders, i needed to constrain rigidbody rotation, so that hitting things didnt rotate the entire player obj. I set the rotation of the transform in update, and apply it to cam in lateupdate. i guess i need to readjust how i take in mouse movement to fix this problem.

[late basin]

This DIscussions post might help: https://discussions.unity.com/t/cinemachine-rigidbody-stutter-as-usual/942206/4

[late basin]

And for rotating the RB, you might be tempted to use Rigidbody.MoveRotation, but it won't work with interpolation because your RB isn't kinematic. See here for a solution: https://discussions.unity.com/t/rigidbody-cinemachine-jitters-with-without-interpolate/1594117/2

[normal pond]

i have a unity 2d game, and i want to create cutscene where the camera zooms in/out of my character. i added a timeline, a cinemachine camera, cinemachine activation track, cinemachine animation track (where i set the orthographic size of the cinemachine camera), but the zoom is not working on the actual game (when i switched tab to game, no zoom is happening)

[royal tartan]

You can't zoom an orthographic camera by moving it

It doesn't have perspective effects

You need to animate the orthographic size

Oh reading that

Why are you animating the main camera?

Since you're using Cinemachine you need to animate the CinemachineCamera's lens settings

[normal pond]

i am animating the cinemachine camera (see frame_0 has orthographic size of 116, and frame_12 has orthographic size of 12)

i have "screen space - camera" set in my canvas. even when i change it to "screen space - overlay", its not working

[normal pond]

this is what im trying to do basically.

like a zoom out effect

[royal tartan]

why's the main camera in the scrubsheet too?

[normal pond]

that is just the cinemachine track for timeline for transitioning between multiple camera if needed (like shown in this example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2N7pU68KDI)

even if i remove that, it doesnt work

[modest crypt]

When I enable the cinemachine camera with priority as 0, the cinemachine brain camera should transition to that one correct?

[royal tartan]

It will transition to the highest priority active Cinemachine camera in the game world

If 0 is the highest priority, then yes

Bigger number beats smaller number

[normal pond]

i finally fixed my problem by changing my canvas render mode to "World Space"

[modest crypt]

Yeah I think my issue was I assumed having virtual camera stuff and trying to use the new stuff would work. I have to do a full remap to new cinemachine cameras and that will break stuff from the older virtual machines.

Basically it won't make the ease from an old VC to anything new.

[jagged cipher]

1. why are you sending this
2. where are moderators

[late basin]

You really shouldn't be mixing deprecated VirtualCmeras and the new CinemachineCamera in the same project. The deprecated classes are supported only to allow you to upgrade to the new ones. Use the Cinemachine Upgrader to upgrade the entire project. This will automatically convert to the new classes. https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/CinemachineUpgradeFrom2.html

[modest crypt]

Yeah I'll try that tonight. I personally like just having it the old way since I've been using it for so many years. Lol

[late basin]

You can continue using the old way if you like, but in that case you should downgrade Cinemachine to 2.10.3

[fair tiger]

I am using cinemachine 3 and using this for my head bobbing. I was wondering how could I change the head bobbing preset's depending if I am idle walking or running.

[late basin]

You can lerp the amplitude gain when you're switching states. If it's a FPS, it might be better to implement the bobbing on the player object rather than the camera.

[fair tiger]

wdym " bobbing on the player object "? like the head bobbing for the camera do the same thing but for the player object?

[late basin]

I mean write a script to bob the player's head. Since the camera is attached to the head it will bob also.

[dreamy nova]

Hey, is there any way to control the speed variable of the cinemachine spline dolly when auto dolly - fixed speed is turned on via code

[late basin]

Same technique for the SplineDolly component as for the SplineCart:
https://discussions.unity.com/t/cm-3-modify-cinemachine-spline-cart-speed-parameter-by-script/932307/2

[unkempt juniper]

why does it feel inverted? is this gonna be a problem

[late basin]

Change the Gain (or Legacy Gain in you're using legacy input) in the CinemachineInputAxisController component to something negative

[unkempt juniper]

thanks it worked!

[lilac hinge]

I am looking to hire someone who can make cinematic shots in unity, anyone know best place to post a job for that?

[royal tartan]

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[merry pasture]

anyone have any idea why my bound boxes only break if I set camera distance to 8+?

[royal tartan]

Camera distance should be completely irrelevant for a 2D game. Are you using a perspective projection camera instead of orthographic?

[merry pasture]

I was, changing it to orthographic makes it work as intended. thank you. so i should only use projection if i want 'depth'? then i wouldn't use a confiner2d? would a confiner3d work instead?

[royal tartan]

You mean perspective? Perspective is for 3D games. It means there will be perspective effects like farther away things looking smaller

Both perspective and orthographic are projections

[errant shard]

A perspective camera can be used for a depth parallax effect, but a lot of 2D components might not play nice with it
I guess 2D Confiner should work technically the same way it does with an ortho camera, but it's harder to predict what the result will look like
To avoid weirdness you should use 3D cinemachine components with a perspective camera, though then you have the third axis to deal with too

Ideally you'd use an orthographic camera, only 2D components and if you want a depth effect, a parallax script that offsets your sprites relative to camera movement

[peak lava]

How to limit maximum distance between target and current camera position?

Right now I'm using CinemachineCamera with Position Composer and the default Main Camera on which there's also component Cinemachine Brain.

I'd like to camera to be not more than 1 meter from the target

[peak lava]

Found out: decrease damping and enable hard limit on cinemachine position composer

[pseudo socket]

can someone tell me why does my camera "flip" like this while blending?

[errant shard]

How are you swapping the camera point of view exactly

[pseudo socket]

one is turning off and the second is turning on

[errant shard]

Turning off with what kind of code exactly? Are they cinemachine cameras or virtual cameras? What settings do they have?
We have to see your setup

[pseudo socket]

I already know what the fault was. Instead of operating the cutscene through the camera's transform, I operated through the tracking target

But thanks anyways

[slow niche]

I can't seem to get cinemachine to not jitter. I'm moving my character with Rb.AddForce in the FixedUpdate Loop. Is there anything i need to change in cinemachine brain to work smoothly?

[late basin]

What are your current Brain settings?

[slow niche]

I've tried FixedUpdate and Late Update for Both Blend and Update Method, still it jitters

It's at Late Update currently

[late basin]

If you're changing player transform exclusively in FixedUpdate and via the RB, then you want FixedUpdate. If your RB has interpolation enabled (and you're moving it correctly), then you want LateUpdate. If neither is working, then you're moving the RB improperly and need to fix it.

[slow niche]

I'm moving my player via RB.AddForce in FixedUpdate, have Rigidbody interpolation enabled and currently am using the above Cinemachine Brain setting "Late Update" for both methods

[late basin]

that should work

[slow niche]

And I'm Netcode for GameObjects

So basically my player sends input data in the Update Loop, to the Server/Host, and the Server moves the RB via addforce

[late basin]

that should work IF you're really only moving the RB via AddForce in LateUpdate. What about rotation?

[slow niche]

Than the position of the player is synced back to the client

[late basin]

If you're touching the RB's transform in any other way then you'll break interpolation and get jitter

[slow niche]

Do you mean "Fixed Update" instead of "Late Update" or should i RB.Addforce in Late Update?

[late basin]

should i RB.Addforce in Late Update
Never!

[late basin]

https://discussions.unity.com/t/cinemachine-rigidbody-stutter-as-usual/942206/4

[slow niche]

Does touching the RB's Transform via NetworkTransform cause the jitter?

Technically the NetworkTransform is syncing the position back to the client

[late basin]

Anything that bypasses RB will make trouble

[slow niche]

Oh snap

Than perhaps i should be using NGO's NetworkRigidbody

[late basin]

I'm no expert on that but you should def look into it

Physics is very sensitive, you have to play by the rules

[slow niche]

Ok I've added Unity's NetworkRigidbody, maybe i should also tick that option "Use Rigidbody for motion" as well

[late basin]

probably

You can use CInemachine to help debug the motion. If you set the Brain to SmartUpdate and look at the CmCamera inspector while playing, it will report how the target is moving. If you're doing it right and interpolation is OFF, it will say "FixedUpdate". With interpolation ON, it will say "LateUpdate". Anything else and it's wrong.

[slow niche]

Ok NetworkRigidbody didn't solve the issue. I will try your above debug method, hopefully I'm able to get to the bottom of this

[slow niche]

Do you mean this, at the right hand side it says "Late Update" while brain is set to "Smart Update"

[late basin]

Yes. Check my link again, I updated the content just now: https://discussions.unity.com/t/cinemachine-rigidbody-stutter-as-usual/942206/4

[errant shard]

NetworkRigidbody is important so server and clients know who's responsible for controlling the RB and who's merely interpolating its position
The interpolation can break in both ends if it's not handled right depending on who's influencing it
https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/advanced-topics/physics/

So at least it can be worth trying to rule out if the jitter is purely because of RB - CM interaction in your setup or if the networking is involved as well

[fierce ridge]

Did they just remove the cinematic template in the latest version?

[errant shard]

Cinematic Studio feature set is unsupported beyond 6.0, so assuming the project template relies on it it'd be unlisted too
I would guess Sequences package is going away, so old feature sets, templates and sample scenes relying on it are getting deprecated
This probably includes the Cinematic Studio sample scene, but you can still import it

[leaden rover]

I don't know why I'm using the third person controller and the cinemachine with a virtual camera to move the character and the camera eats things from the environment when I get closer and I don't want that to happen, I don't want things to disappear.

[errant shard]

This sounds like your camera's near clip plane is too far
If that's the case, decrease it only as much as you need to, and decrease the far clip plane as much as you can
Rendering inaccuracies will occur the closer near clip plane is to zero, and the further away far clip plane is from the near clip plane

[leaden rover]

I just solved it, thank you very much

[slow niche]

Could there be an issue with the Rig Systems? I'm actually using the rig systems for my third person game. It seems like the thing causing the jittering could be the rig system.

[gaunt vortex]

hey for a 3rd person camera, do i need to make a script for sensitivity? ive been adjusting these but for some reason, the sensitivity seems different everytime i boot up the game

[late basin]

How are you driving the axes? And which version of CM?

[merry venture]

hey, guys! i'm getting this error with cinemachine, and i'm wondering if my missing something. i've tried installing and reinstalling it, but i'm still getting this error, and i have no idea what's going on:

Assets\Scripts\Game Managers Etc\CameraFollowTarget.cs(6,12): error CS0246: The type or namespace name 'CinemachineVirtualCamera' could not be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)

also, if this isn't the right place to ask this, i apologize!

[latent spear]

Hey, i have a cinemachine third person camera set to the lookattarget on the player. the problem is that the camera when its close to a wall bugs as showed in the video.

[late basin]

Your code is built for Cinemachine 2.X but you've installed Cinemachine 3.x. Either upgrade your project's code and data (not trivial) or downgrade Cinemachine to the most recent 2.x version. See the project upgrade guide here: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/CinemachineUpgradeFrom2.html

[late basin]

Looks like you're trying to do an over-the-shoulder camera with an OrbitalFollow and a CameraOffset extension. Is that what's happening? Please show the CinemachineCamera inspector

[latent spear]

yes, im making an over the shoulder camera by having and object to the right of the player that the camera follows. i showed you a picture of it and also of the cinemachine inspector, you may have missed it

[merry venture]

Thank you! I really appreciate it!

[late basin]

Yes I did miss it. You'll never get it to work that way. The solution is to make a proper over-the-shoulder cam and controller. There's a sample scene in CM: ThirdPersonWithAimMode. You can look at that and get inspired. Or follow this excellent tutorial: https://youtu.be/537B1kJp9YQ?si=4eBZVZBBBy38IBJb

[latent spear]

yes, i tried it before and it works, but then i have to script my own camera controller to move around the sphere which i didnt want to do so i made it this way. So i would have to redo all that.

[late basin]

What do you mean move around the sphere?

[latent spear]

i mean to move the camera around with your mouse

[late basin]

They give you the code in the tutorial for that - just rotating the player core object. Alternatively, you can use the code that comes with the CM samples

[latent spear]

okay thanks

[heavy gate]

i dont know where to ask this but how do i make my cameras preview thing smaller, this is impossible to work with cause i have to zoom out whenever i wanna look at ui elements attached to it.

[royal tartan]

Just double click the canvas object to get it zoomed properly

This has nothing to do with Cinemachine btw

[heavy gate]

Figured but it was a camera thing

[exotic inlet]

Is cinemachine 2.9.7 from the package manager just a demo package? I can't seem to find any components that people on youtube are using lol

[void zephyr]

no, are they maybe using cinemachine 3?

unity packages (and a lot of other ecosystems) generally use semver
the important point here is that the first number is the major version, and a package can have breaking changes between major versions

a demo/experimental/beta package would have major version 0 (or a beta suffix or something like that)

[exotic inlet]

Got it, thanks!

[exotic inlet]

Why do I not see the "Body" of the virtual camera? I have tried reinstalling the package, and even adding it to a freshly made 3d project, still the same thing

[late basin]

It's because your inspector is in Debug mode. Right-click on the inspector tab and put it back into normal mode.

[exotic inlet]

Oh wow thanks, it helped!

[heavy gate]

https://streamable.com/u872m3 how do i prevent the camera from flipping the third person follow?

maybe ill just disable it and have it follow the camera target fully

but it would be nice if theres an option for it

[errant shard]

What's your camera setup

[heavy gate]

camera target inside the players head that rotates to mouse input, and attached to a player frame

[errant shard]

Rotates how?

[heavy gate]

https://streamable.com/c52vz4

unsure if my implementation is flawed or not.

[errant shard]

I'm not seeing the method here

If you're doing the rotation in your script, you also have to clamp the rotation in your script

[eager laurel]

In Unity 6.1, how do I make cinemachine ignore targets rotation? I have a rolling sphere in the scene and I don't want the cinamchine to rotate with it. My cinemachine is set to third person follow. I saw solving it by setting Binding Mode to “World Space” but I don't see this option in current Unity version

[heavy gate]

i dont care about the clamping, i care about the camera like snapping weirdly.

[late basin]

It's your rotation code that's flawed. You're hitting gimbal lock when the pitch is +-90. Clamping pitch to +-89 would be one way to fix it, another would be to rewrite your rotation code.

[late basin]

This is not a good camera setup. Brain and virtual camera should be separate GameObjects

[heavy gate]

I mean, my rotation code seems fine? If i set the cinemachine offset to 0 and just offset the camera target instead it works fine

[heavy gate]

Why

[late basin]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/concept-essential-elements.html

[heavy gate]

incase i wanna swap the camera? i guess thats fair and good for future proofing.

[late basin]

Don't use ThirdPersonFollow for this, use Follow. You will find the option there.

[eager laurel]

thanks

[worthy vigil]

Hey folks, This is a hard look cinemachine camera switch and I'm trying to figure out why it's panning to the left before looking at the target?

Theres gonna be a jumpscare you're forced to look at but this obviously isnt what i'm going for, I want it to very quickly snap to the spot

okay so I figured out it's due to the cinemachine 'brain' settings

The issue iss, I want different types of 'blends' if different scenarios, I guess I just change the blend value whenever I need to?

(in script)

[late basin]

You can use the Custom Blends asset where appropriate, but if you want to customize the blend based on game state, you can write a handler for CinemachineCore.GetBlendOverride.

[worthy vigil]

Oh nice! Per camera blends, that's what I was looking for thankss

[glossy brook]

Hey, can I change these values via scripting somehow? i tried accessing those in c# with getcomponent, but there are no field for that... i wanna set them like the mouse sensitivity which has been set up in settings

[glossy brook]

nvm solved it

[heavy gate]

https://streamable.com/2yof9l

[royal tartan]

You put your CInemachineBrain on your player object for some reason

do silly things, get silly results.

[heavy gate]

🔥

[heavy gate]

dont i want the brain on my player

[royal tartan]

of course not

[royal tartan]

You should read this: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/concept-essential-elements.html

[heavy gate]

what about for like multiplayer games where each person has their own camera does one brain just control them all

[royal tartan]

local multiplayer or network multiplayer

[heavy gate]

network

[royal tartan]

network multiplayer still only has one camera

you don't have/need cameras for other players

only for your self

anyway it's not related to the question of where the brain goes.

[heavy gate]

i- guess your right? client logic only needs to handle a single camera

[royal tartan]

cameras are pretty much entirely a client-side thing

[dark viper]

Hi! When applying Cinemachine2 Impulses they are currently added on top of each other.
So if I hit 2 enemies with one hit (and therefore trigger 2 impulses) the shake is way more intense than if I only hit one.
Instead I want the most intsense impulse to win. So instead of stacking, I want to go over all active impulses and only apply the one that is the strongest instead of adding them all together.
Is this possible out of the box, or do I need to write my own solution for that? I guess I can write a custom CinemachineImpulseListener
Any ideas are appreciated 🙂

I also thought about only triggering a new impact, if no other one is playing, but what if I hit them shortly after one another.
The first impulse is not yet finished, then I hit the next one and I don't get any impulse at all.
I need to always play the impact, they should just not be added together

[dark viper]

Solved it like this: https://github.com/leohilbert/ConCinemachine/commit/703069995397e76bb03bb1406fd4720702f42a51
The API is not public and the ImpulseManager is not extendable so unfortunately I needed to modify the Cinemachine Plugins itself to make it work. :/

[late basin]

That's a nice addition

[mystic cloak]

I've got a virtual camera in CM3 bound to a camera confiner, how can I avoid the camera zooming back in when players are both offstage like that? at that point the camera has reached the boundary

[late basin]

Can you show your CinemachineCamera inspector with all the components?

[mystic cloak]

added the confiner box in case it is required

[late basin]

The zoom in is being done by the group framing component. Set its dolly range to 0 to stop it.

[mystic cloak]

i know, I want it to zoom in usually with the dolly and its doing its job correctly, but i've got the edge case where i dont want it to zoom when off the edge like that 😅

[late basin]

Because the targets are off-screen, the group framer can't see them and thinks the group size really small so tries to zoom in. You're going to have to add custom logic to handle that case

[mystic cloak]

fair enough, thank you 😄 i'll find some way to do that

[mystic cloak]

excuse the mention, but woyuld there be a way to do this by creating my own plugin addition to CM3? like "if group framer is off screen then dont zoom in" or whatever?

[late basin]

sure, you can make your own custom group framer. Copy the script and modify as needed

[mystic cloak]

where can I find the script to modify it? It doesn't seem to be accessible if i double click

[late basin]

You should be able to select "edit script" from the inspector. Use the ... button

[mystic cloak]

ah yeah there it is, thank you

[late basin]

You can make custom extensions by inheriting CinemachineExtension

Instead of making a custom framer, it might be easier to make a sidecar script that removes members from the group when they are off-screen

[mystic cloak]

doesnt removing members from the group make a bit of a jitter, or am i mistaken? also, how can i make a sidecar script? i havent heard of those

[late basin]

It's just a script that sits on the same object as the CinemachineTargetGroup component and messes with its settings

You might have to think a little about what the conditions governing when you want to stop zooming.

Really what you want to do is freeze the group framer in its current state. Emptying the group or disabling the framer will make an undesirable pop

I'm thinking that a good way to do it could be to set the framer's dolly range to lock the current camera distance exactly - do that when freeze conditions are met. Then there will be no pop. You don't need a custom framer for that, just a custom script to manipulate the existing framer's range

And you will need some logic to restore it after you stop freezing

@mystic cloak ☝️

[mystic cloak]

awesome i'll start doing this, thank you 😄

[late basin]

This feature will be native in CM 3.1.4. Thanks for the great idea!

[dark viper]

Cool, thanks for integrating it! 🎉

[tranquil berry]

Ohhhh nice, I was having similar issues and was hacking around to a similar end

[tropic needle]

So. I dont know why or how but does anyone know how to open Inspector because I think I have closed mine
Got these 2 only

[indigo sorrel]

Right-click on the Debug tab ; Normal

[late basin]

Cinemachine 3.1.4 is released! https://discussions.unity.com/t/cinemachine-3-1-4-is-now-available/1653631

[lusty peak]

Hi, I'm new to the Spline Dolly/Dolly Cart, how can I get the camera's rotation to follow the Knot's rotation? I've tried every Rotation Control with no luck, I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.

[lusty peak]

well I guess im making a script for it, I'd still like to know if this exists with cinemachine though

EvaluateTangent and EvaluateUpVector doesn't give the knot's local rotation? looks like cinemachine doesn't have this so I won't be using it. very sad

[late basin]

Cinemachine doesn't look at the knot's rotation. You can certainly write an extension that does it, but - depending on what you're trying to achieve - there are probably better and more robust ways. For cameras, consider using the SplineDollyLookAtTargets rotation control component. It lets you associate LookAt points to points along the spline. It's nice because it's more robust than simply hard-assigning camera rotation values to spline points.

[lusty peak]

I initially tried to write an extension but gave up after finding out the helper functions I said above don't return the knot's local rotation. I see what you're saying but for small/quick cases like mine, it seems a bit over the top to have to create a new GO for each Knot just to set where the camera should point. Would be cool to see a Rotation Control that takes the knot's local rotation but I'm assuming there's a reason that's not already a thing 🤷‍♂️ I ended up using a different tool for the camera dolly...

[late basin]

You don't need to make a new GO, you can set an absolute point in space (null GO + worldspace offset)

[lusty peak]

Ahhh then I probably could have used this, might go back if I have any issues with my current setup. Thank you

[hasty shadow]

does any one know what is causing this error? I have this error once in a while after my screen shake effect triggers

[royal tartan]

showing the full stack trace would be helpful

[hasty shadow]

like this?

[royal tartan]

the full stack trace can be viewed at the bottom of the console window when the one-line summary log message is selected.

[hasty shadow]

it didnt really have show anything other than what that the error message already says

[royal tartan]

Mind sharing it here?

[hasty shadow]

yeah im having a hard time replicating the error since it happens on very rare occasions

[hasty shadow]

i cant even replicate the error right now lol, not sure how exactly it starts. Here is my implementation of the screen shake though: private CinemachineBasicMultiChannelPerlin perlinNoise;
``` public async void ShakeCamera(float shakeDuration = 0.1f, float intensityMultiplier = 1, float frequencyMultiplier = 1)
{
perlinNoise.m_AmplitudeGain = shakeIntensity * intensityMultiplier;
perlinNoise.m_FrequencyGain = shakeFrequency * frequencyMultiplier;

        await UniTask.Delay((int)(shakeDuration * 1000), DelayType.UnscaledDeltaTime);

        RestoreCameraShake();
        
    }

    private void RestoreCameraShake()
    {
        perlinNoise.m_AmplitudeGain = 0f; 

    }

    private void Awake()
    {
        instance = this;
        perlinNoise = virtualCam.GetCinemachineComponent<CinemachineBasicMultiChannelPerlin>();
    }```

heres how it behaves

[royal tartan]

it's most likely relatd to your mouse being over the game window when the shake is happening

Since it's the EventSystem

[hasty shadow]

it doesnt seem to replicate the error :/

[tropic needle]

How to make cinama camera work better, like for me its like "fixing" pixels whenever my character moves and it looks not as smooth as planned...

[royal tartan]

What do you mean by "fixing pixels"?

[tropic needle]

I cant show you because I am not home but I will try explaininh

[royal tartan]

If you're not home there's little we can do to fix your project.

[tropic needle]

So when I move while testing and then sudenly Stop camera doesnt Stop same time I Stop it like tries to align slowly

[tropic needle]

Yeah because it was 5 hours ago when I asked.

[royal tartan]

that's called damping

you have damping enabled

[tropic needle]

Thank you so much for help! I will find some youtube videos after I come back home.

[ancient stream]

Why is the maximum time for lookahead in the position composer clamped between 0 and 1? Is there any way to increase this time? The behaviour is exactly what I want but I'd like it to lookahead further.

[errant shard]

Is the slider clamped or the value clamped? Try typing in a higher value

[ancient stream]

Value is clamped aswell. This is the documentation for the field itself: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.0/api/Unity.Cinemachine.LookaheadSettings.Time.html

[errant shard]

I guess your options are to copy and then modify the package locally, make your own script to extrapolate a dummy target transform relative to your primary transform
Or ask for better ideas in the forum where GregoryL is more likely to see the question

[ancient stream]

Hmm that wasn't the answer I was hoping for hahah. Thanks anyways

[regal cargo]

Hi everyone, I’m facing a jitter issue with character rotation.

I have a setup where the camera is controlled by the mouse, and I take the camera’s Y-axis angle to rotate the character accordingly. I’m using Cinemachine for the camera and have already tried various smoothing and damping settings, but the character’s rotation still appears jittery, especially when moving the camera quickly.

I’ve recorded a video demonstrating the issue.
Has anyone experienced this before or have suggestions on how to fix it?

Thanks in advance

[royal tartan]

Very common problem if you're using a Rigidbody and your code is rotating the transform directly

Is that the case?

[regal cargo]

I used character controller @royal tartan

[royal tartan]

Showing your code would help

[regal cargo]

using Cinemachine;
using System.Collections;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using UnityEngine;

public class Local_CameraController : MonoBehaviour
{

public Transform cameraTarget;
public CinemachineVirtualCamera virtualCamera;

[SerializeField] private float mouseSensitivity = 1f;
[SerializeField] private float topClamp = 70f;
[SerializeField] private float bottomClamp = -30f;
[SerializeField] private float cameraAngleOverride = 0f;
[SerializeField] private bool invertX = false;
[SerializeField] private bool invertY = true;

private float yaw;
private float pitch;
private const float threshold = 0.01f;

public Vector2 lookInput;
public float CurrentYaw => yaw; // Exposed for player rotation

private void Start()
{
    if (virtualCamera == null)
        virtualCamera = FindObjectOfType<CinemachineVirtualCamera>();

    virtualCamera.Follow = cameraTarget;
    virtualCamera.LookAt = cameraTarget;
}

private void LateUpdate()
{
    RotateCamera();
}

private void RotateCamera()
{
    if (lookInput.sqrMagnitude < threshold) return;

    float deltaTime = Time.deltaTime;

    yaw += lookInput.x * mouseSensitivity * (invertX ? -1 : 1) * deltaTime;
    pitch += lookInput.y * mouseSensitivity * (invertY ? -1 : 1) * deltaTime;
    pitch = Mathf.Clamp(pitch, bottomClamp, topClamp);

    cameraTarget.rotation = Quaternion.Euler(pitch + cameraAngleOverride, yaw, 0.0f);
}

}

[regal cargo]

using System.Collections;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using UnityEngine;

public class Local_PlayerController : MonoBehaviour
{

public Local_CharacterInput _characterInputs;
private Local_CameraController cameraController;

void Start()
{
    cameraController = GetComponent<Local_CameraController>();
}

private void LateUpdate()
{
    _characterInputs.Local_GatherInput();
    cameraController.lookInput = _characterInputs.LookInput;

    // Apply rotation after camera has updated
    transform.rotation = Quaternion.Euler(0f, cameraController.CurrentYaw, 0f);
}

}

[late vine]

I was having rotation jitter as well here's what solved my issue:

• Created a tracking target that that's not part of the animated armature
• Unparented the tracking target, created a script that follows the character position with an offset (in late update)
• I rotate the tracking target independent of the character via input values
• Camera has rotation control set to none, position control is Third person follow

After doing this, it was smooth. For my case, it seemed to be related to small adjustments that were happening related to IK and animations as well as motion matching. It took me a while to troubleshoot it, but now rotation movement is buttery smooth.

[broken cove]

trying to use the Orbital Camera since it seems to be the closest one to the Roblox camera system.... but it seems like even setting the Position Damping to (0, 0, 0) and the Rotation Composer Damping to (0, 0) it still seems to not hard follow the target?

https://i.gyazo.com/eb629656bef5f9ea82dc88b54cd77293.gif

does the Orbital Camera have like a limitation? or am I just tweaking the wrong setting?

[royal tartan]

Looks like the object it's tracking is a Rigidbody without interpolation

Is that the case?

[broken cove]

we just figured it out

I put the cameraPivot inside the character visual.... since we are doing prediction physics it did the jitter a little bit... but putting the camera with the Character Visual prevented the jitter

they said something about camera updating every frame or something while the predicted player is moving on a tick or something.... can't fully remember the exact words

[royal tartan]

Yes it's basically like I said

[shrewd salmon]

Does anyone by chance know why my cinemachine camera doesn't rotatoe when I rotate the tracking target assigned to the cinemachine camera? I've tried rotating my player root gameobject, the head game object, but running out of ideas. I shouldn't have any code that is affecting this but the below is my hierarchy and cinemachine settings. Thank you in advance! I've been bashing my head on this for atleast 30min😂

[royal tartan]

Because you haven't added any Cinemachine component that would do that

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/CinemachineThirdPersonFollow.html

[elder spruce]

is there ay way to set cinemachine not go outside that border

[royal tartan]

CinemachineConfiner

[elder spruce]

how does that work can u explain ?

where can i find it

[royal tartan]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.cinemachine@3.1/manual/CinemachineConfiner2D.html

[elder spruce]

hey bro for some reason the cinemanchine is acting as a collider and not letting come inside the white box in which main camer stays

do u know why thats happening

[royal tartan]

sounds like you attached a collider to the camera or the cinemachine camera or something

[elder spruce]

no i didnt do that

i made a empty object

[royal tartan]

I can only speculate if I can't see the project

[elder spruce]

wanna come vc

[royal tartan]

no

post screenshots

[elder spruce]

ok wait

so this is starting position

when is start the game let me send that

it just push him to the corner

[royal tartan]

yeah you're going to want to make that collider not interact with the player

you can do that through layer based collision detection

[elder spruce]

uhhh ??

can u explain a little bit more i am little new

[royal tartan]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.1/Documentation/Manual/LayerBasedCollision.html
Just make sure you do the 2D version not the 3D version

[elder spruce]

like the polygoncollider making the character go outside ?

[tawny cliff]

Hey guys, can I set the position of my cinema machine camera with a script?

[tawny cliff]

It looks like I can, I’ve got that now. Currently trying to work out why it’s changing a transform variable on every frame despite me only calling it in awake.

[royal tartan]

You would have to show more details

[tawny cliff]

yeah ill try toi

here s my code

    public Camera mainCamera;

void Awake()
    {
        mainCameraStartingPos = mainCamera.transform;
    }

 void Update()
    {

        print(mainCameraStartingPos.position);
    }

I hope you dont mind that I havent inluded all the code aound it, these aer the only times im refeenceing the camera and vcam

you can see that the console is showing many many changes to the position vector

mainCameraStartingPos is not being referenced anywhere else eitherr

[royal tartan]

This code isn't changing anything

It's just printing the position of a particular object each frame

The variables are very confusingly named as well

Presumably whichever object you referenced in the mainCamera variable is moving due to something else in the scene. Perhaps due to whatever cinemachine configuration you have set up.

[tawny cliff]

I dont understand why its printing a new position every frame

[royal tartan]

because the object is moving

[tawny cliff]

yes but im printing a position that is only set once, in awake

[royal tartan]

no

you have a reference to the object's Transform

you are printing the object's current position each frame

Even though you named your variable mainCameraStartingPos, what you actually have is a reference to the object's Transform

if you just want to save a position, you would do that with a Vector3 variable.

Vector3 startPos;

void Awake() {
  startPos = mainCamera.transform.position;
}```

[tawny cliff]

okay, and that would not update every frrame?

[royal tartan]

This is why I said above that your variable was poorly named

it will only change if you change it

[tawny cliff]

yes youe right, I initially was only setting the position but then the cinemachine wanted a transform

So i thought I ould save a transorm in the same way

also my keyboad is broken so sorry for the awful text

but youe saying that transom updates evey frame when set in awake?

[royal tartan]

Transform is a component on a GameObject, that holds the object's current position/rotation/scale and parent/child relationships.

It is not a snapshot of those things

[tawny cliff]

I see

[royal tartan]

When you look at the inspector of a GameObject, you will see the Transform as the first listed component.

[tawny cliff]

I thought the method was only alled one, therefore it would capturre it once

[royal tartan]

the method is only called once

and the variable is only set once

but the variable you set is a reference to the Transform

and the Transform itself updates all the time

[tawny cliff]

OH

I SEE

that makes sense

wow I just didnt understand the varriable type I guess

[royal tartan]

When you look at these:
https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Transform.html
https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Vector3.html

Note that Transform is a class and Vector3 is a struct

[tawny cliff]

right right

[royal tartan]

when you have a type that's a class, then you are dealing with references

when you have a struct, you are always dealing with copies

[tawny cliff]

so i just made the connection once in awake, then my new transom lass was passing through the other ino

interesting