archived-code-general

[dense rock]

thanks man ill try it

[swift falcon]

the states changes which one is playing

[leaden ice]

cool but you didn't show that code so it's hard to tell what's going on

[swift falcon]

the running one dosent play at all anymore but the rest work just fine and flip correctly

[swift falcon]

all that changes there is what i showed what else do you need to see??

[leaden ice]

the code that actually manipulates the animator. The whole script would be idea

[swift falcon]

create 2 animations, 1 for running right and 1 for running left

[swift falcon]

https://hatebin.com/zbazggunbr this what u mean?

[leaden ice]

you're only ever setting the running state if you flipped this frame

otherwise you're doing this:

        else
        {
            state = MovementState.idle;```

so it makes sense that you're not seeing the running animation

[night harness]

Wasn't sure if this goes here or in #↕️┃editor-extensions, Do I need to be in an editor and/or customeditor to use SerializedObject to grab data? (And can I only mess with this in edit mode? Or would it possibly work in runtime)

[dense rock]

Unity says "cant convert type float to AnimationCurve"

xCurve.curveMin = windDirection.x;

does the MinMaxCurve store 2 animationcurves?

[leaden ice]

sorry use constantMin

[swift falcon]

im not every good at coding so sorry to ask but could you give an example on how i would be to fix that then?

[green radish]

for some reason this isnt letting me have a summary for the method

as far as I can tell this should all be in order

[leaden ice]

Just think for a minute about when you should be setting the state to running and when it should be idle.

Then write the code

you can do it 🙏

[swift falcon]

note that horizontal returns a value between -1,1 which represents A and D on your keyboard , and D is 1

[swift falcon]

thanks for the help im still pretty lost but ill continue trying at it

[leaden ice]

have you done the first part? Thinking about what circumstances should do each animation?

[swift falcon]

yeah

[leaden ice]

what did you come up with

not the code, just the logic

[swift falcon]

i just know like when you are moving right or left it should be running and when you do nothing it should be idle and thats what i was trying to do in the script where it says else and makes it idle because if its not moving it should set back to idle i thought

[leaden ice]

but look at your code

you're not only looking at when you're moving

you have an additional condition in your if statements

if (dirX > 0f && !m_FacingRight)

else if (dirX < 0f && m_FacingRight)

that makes sense for deciding when to flip but it doesn't make sense for deciding the animation to play

make sense?

[swift falcon]

i see what you mean, i assume that means i should separate the flipping and decideing when to play, ill try to figure out how to do that thanks

[leaden ice]

the "saved in another class thing" sounds vague but also not that relevant

1. get a reference to it
2. serialize it with a json serializer
3. write the json to a file

yeah that's what happens when you use JsonUtility with a ScriptableObject or MonoBehaviuour

why are you tryingf to serialize an SO anyway

is there a good reason for it to be a ScriptableObject in the firs tplace?

everything is possible

use a different json serializer

not much to explain

use a different json serializer

for example newtonsoft JSON

[green radish]

does anyone know how to fix this so the summary will display?

[cosmic rain]

Pretty sure SOs are serializable by JsonUtility.🤔

[quaint rock]

So's work fine with JsonUtility

[cosmic rain]

It kinda sounds like you're saving several objects in one file/string.

[quaint rock]

those look like references to SO's not the so its self

[cosmic rain]

Or the references

You'd need to share some code if you really need help.

[quaint rock]

use jsonUtility directly on the SO its slef

not on something that has a field of the so type

either way there are better ways to do saves then SO's anyways

would just use regular old classes and write the data out

and use something better then jsonutility

[stark nimbus]

hello, I'm trying to create my own method for sorting Dictionary<string, int> by their Value, I know there are Linq methods that can make my life easier but I want to create my own method for no reason at all
this almost works correctly, but my entitiesOrdered has 211 elements when entities has exactly 300, where did I go wrong with this code?

            Dictionary<string, int> entitiesOrdered = new Dictionary<string, int>();
            KeyValuePair<string, int> highest = new KeyValuePair<string, int>(string.Empty, 0);
            for (int i = 0; i < entities.Count; i++)
            {
                KeyValuePair<string, int> current = new KeyValuePair<string, int>(string.Empty, 0);
                int index = 0;
                foreach (KeyValuePair<string, int> kvp in entities)
                {
                    if (i == index)
                    {
                        current = kvp;
                        break;
                    }
                    index++;
                }
                if (entitiesOrdered.ContainsKey(current.Key)) continue;
                else if (highest.Value == 0) highest = current;
                else if (current.Value > highest.Value) highest = current;
                if (i != (entities.Count - 1)) continue;
                entitiesOrdered.Add(highest.Key, highest.Value);
                i = (entitiesOrdered.Count - 1);
                highest = new KeyValuePair<string, int>(string.Empty, 0);
            }

I actually didn't look at how the Linq methods do it

[stark nimbus]

but I'm sure it's a very simple mistake

[quaint rock]

can just use order by

keep in mind you can not store the sorted result as a Dictionary

[stark nimbus]

but they are actually sorted

just missing about 30% of the elements

output2_ is the original Dictionary

[cosmic rain]

You are serializing the Save object. It only has references to the SOs.

[quaint rock]

@stark nimbus dicts have no order though

would just keep it simple and just use linq and ORderBy to make a list of keyvalue pairs

really would not have PlayerData as a SO

[cosmic rain]

Not just FromJson. ToJson too.

[quaint rock]

just a regular class

[stark nimbus]

I know but I want to create my own method, I just want to know why entitiesOrdered has about 30% less elements than it should have

where did I go wrong?

[quaint rock]

if player data is not a SO, its just going to be much easier to use, can just pass it to what needs it, if its a SO the only way to maintain the serilized references is to overwrite with the json data

also if its a regular object with a better json library like newtonsoft you get support for data types like Dictionary for saving as well

@stark nimbus so all you are trying to do is sort by value in decending order?

[stark nimbus]

yes

[quaint rock]

dict.OrderByDescending(x => x.Value).ToList();

[stark nimbus]

I want to avoid Linq

[quaint rock]

why

like you could also avoid it with the regular sort provided by C#

[stark nimbus]

I just want to know why it's not adding every element from the original Dictionary lol

[quaint rock]

would take that over trying to do your own sorting

[stark nimbus]

I probably messed up counting the i or the index

but that's just it

I just can't find the error

[quaint rock]

and what type is player data and what call is doing this?

and is PlayerData still some sort of SO?

then thats the issue

you can FromJson a SO since it has more stuff going on and is not just pure data

would need FromJsonOverwrite with a existing SO instance to overwrite

or like i said if you want it to work this way, don't use a SO

[cosmic rain]

Ah yeah, you need to use the Overwrite version for SOs

[quaint rock]

just use a regular class with [Serializable] on it

[cosmic rain]

You wouldn't have this specific issue if Player was a plain class

[quaint rock]

ok better question, why are you using a SO for simple data like this

what benefit is that giving you?

[cosmic rain]

I think you should have followed some kind of saving tutorial if it's your first time implementing something like that. Would save you a lot of time and misunderstanding.

[quaint rock]

since unless you are trying to reference the object via clicking and dragging into the inspector

the SO will jsut make things more complicated

if you just want to load some json and get a object you can use on the other side regular old C# class is the way to go

[cosmic rain]

If it's immutable data, you wouldn't need to save/load it. If it's not, you shouldn't use an SO for it anyway.

[quaint rock]

generally its good to keep your save data seperate from other runtime data

[cosmic rain]

You need to separate immutable data from non immutable.

[quaint rock]

would make it a regular C# class, then just pass it and store it as a field to what ever needs that data

like in projects i work on, when i construct a character i just pass in the copy of the save i loaded from disc, as a depednecy of my character script

its a learning process, i have seen a few people if there introduction to C# and programming is unity feel they need to stick to unity types like MB and SO

just regular classes and structs are useful for of lot of thigns expecially when modeling the data gets more complex

[dawn mauve]

non immutable

(Aka mutable)

[cosmic rain]

Right.

[dawn mauve]

😀

Between the conversation above and the conversation that happened earlier on #archived-code-advanced it’s clear to me that designing a place for an SO is kinda challenging.

It’s almost like the game dev community wants SOs to be more than what they are

[quaint rock]

many good places to use them

but those uses are more like assets

since they can reference anything from the project

[dawn mauve]

That’s clear. But is there a game system that lends itself to being defined like assets that wouldn’t be better implemented as something else?

[quaint rock]

well would not define a system as SO's but they are a useful tool

at work i am using them for NPC behaviour trees

and for loading all store assets

and for a bunch of custom asset types

very useful tool and a lot of things would be a royal pain in the butt without them

[dawn mauve]

Do tell. I’m very familiar with BTs but I haven’t found a good use case for implementing them as an SO

[quaint rock]

but like any tool they will just cause friction if applied from the wrong use

[quaint rock]

the trees themselfs are are a type of SO, then inside the graph each node and blackboard variable is a SO stored as a subasset

doing this instead of SerializeReference for nodes and blackboard vars since its less fragile

[cosmic rain]

I'd definitely use SOs for item, skill or effect definitions.

[quaint rock]

all of our items use SOs that have some metadata on the item, the icon and how to display it in the UI, and the prefab for instantiating it to the scene

well the prefab part is actually a other addressable reference

so that load can be deferred

[dawn mauve]

Word.

[quaint rock]

but yeah between them in graphview was pretty easy to roll my own behaviour editor

[plucky karma]

How exactly does define constraints works in asmdef? I have setup a rule where I wanted to omit a plugin if the constraint is true from player's scripting symbol table. When I made a build, I look into the executable lib folder, and I still continue to find the plugin I wanted to omit in there.

How can I omit a plugin folder based on scripting symbol? If asmdef the answer, then I don't know why it isn't exactly doing what it's suppose to do?

[quaint rock]

you just list some defines you need in the constraints

or can list ones you dont need with ! infront

also what do you mean by plugin

asmdef's will only effect code in there folders not already compiled stuff, or assets

[young moon]

Hello, I'm trying to make a save and load function for my Tents & Trees game. I'm using two arrays for storing the values of where the player has placed tents, so that they can save the board with the positions of the tents they placed before saving. My issue is that my save data looks correct but when I load there is a bug happening of lines of tents copying each other. Say X is tents and O is empty cells, I save a board looking like this:
X X O
O O O
X O X
But when I load it becomes this:
X X X
O O O
X X X
Not sure where I went wrong in my code, it would be nice if anyone could tell me where I'm getting it wrong: https://gist.github.com/Oshinya/eb924142038a3e0263820375bd5014b8

[quaint rock]

would heavily recommend just write it to json, instead of store individual ints in individual keys of playerprefs

also i would be tempted to just store your width and height, then store the rest in a flat array not a 2d one, then jsut compute the index later

int IndexOf(int x, int y) => x + size.x * y; for example would map from a 2d coord to a 1d index to a array

[young moon]

I would prefer saving with playerprefs because I have a lot of levels and don't want to fit everything into one json file or a thousand of them. My game is very simple so playerprefs fulfills my needs. I don't understand what you mean about storing everything else as I only have width and height to keep track of (if by width and height you mean x and y).

[green radish]

anyone?

[somber nacelle]

PlayerPrefs isn't really meant for saving game state data, it's more about saving preferences for the game player (aka the actual application). you can use it to store save data, much like you can use a hammer to get a screw into a wall but that doesn't mean that it was intended to be used for that.
Also if your build is for windows you're bloating the registry with your save data

[somber nacelle]

not really a unity related question, more of a question about visual studio itself. theoretically it should JustWork™️ but you may need to restart it. if it doesn't, then i'd ask somewhere where the question is more relevant like the c# discord or microsoft support or something 🤷‍♂️

[broken light]

does it really matter if a gameobject is at 0,0,0 and i create my mesh by setting the verts by their world position

[quaint rock]

it wont but i would still put it at 0,0,0

so if it ever gets offset its easy to put back, and you can see what that offset would be

[broken light]

i guess but its one more calculation to do for thousands of vertices lol

since i have to subtract by transform position

which is a pain

[cosmic rain]

You only need to calculate the offset once per object, not for each vertex.

[broken light]

no ? if i have world positions for each vertex i have to then do wp - transform.position to get the verts localised in the mesh

for every vertex

[quaint rock]

well would do the InverseTransformPoint once to get the offset

then you can use that on each vert

a subtraction per vert is not going to really matter

[broken light]

it might im regenerating the mesh whenever the mouse moves

so it happens often

[quaint rock]

unless its a truely massive mesh you can do it per frame fine

[broken light]

define massive?

+1000 verts?

[quaint rock]

1k is nothing

[broken light]

i see

[quaint rock]

dont worry about it till its a problem you can measure

[broken light]

true

[quaint rock]

but also if it was removing 1 subtraction would not help that much

[broken light]

is gpu readbacks every frame a bad idea for this ?

i dunno the perf cost of that

vs getting it cpu side

[quaint rock]

then you would look at other approaches like dividing things up so its not all updating at all times

or maybe doing its on its own thread or compute shader

[broken light]

i had thought about compute shader but im told sending data back to cpu from gpu isnt particularly fast

[quaint rock]

if maybe even not doing it on the cpu at all depending on your needs, like it might be a job just for a vertex shader

[broken light]

if the vert shader does it then its doing it every redraw

so would rather avoid that

[quaint rock]

would just see if it works before getting too in your head about it

[green radish]

after some experimentation apparently summaries really dont like the & symbol

[quaint rock]

not sure what the issue would be, vertex shader depending on the task would be ultra fast, its literally meant for moving verts about

[broken light]

because its a one time job vert shader runs every time

[quaint rock]

and you said it could update everytime the mouse moves, so that is essentially per frame anyways

[broken light]

so compute shader makes more sense

true regarding the mouse

ill try both and see which one is less of a pain in the ass to expand in future

[cosmic rain]

If you don't need that data on the CPU side(for colliders for example), a vertex shader is definitely the best solution.

[broken light]

hmm

can buffers be pooled for gpu

or reused

without regenerating a new one ?

[cosmic rain]

The issue is not with generating buffers but reading/writing into them.

[broken light]

oh

[quaint rock]

thing is if its truely a visual only thing vertex shader is just best

[cosmic rain]

You move data between devices(RAM - VRAM). That's the expensive part.

[quaint rock]

does not matter if its every frame, its used to dealing with millions of verts per frame

[broken light]

why vertex shader and not compute though

id use vertex to morph pre-existing mesh

didnt think it would be for generating new mesh

[quaint rock]

well you never said what the purpose was

and you said it was a mesh

[broken light]

mesh along splines to the mouse position

[quaint rock]

so assumed you are modifying something you are rendering

[cosmic rain]

Compute would just add overhead for the same result (if you don't need to move data back to CPU). It is also way more complicated API wise, since you'd need to get the mesh buffer and modify that in the compute shader.

[quaint rock]

problem with compute is its like 2 round trips for this usecase

[cosmic rain]

That might require a new mesh indeed. I don't think you can change the size of an existing vertex buffer.

[broken light]

yeh thats why i'd need to create buffer of the size i need each time

[quaint rock]

yeah i was assuming you are modifying existing verts

if the vert count changes you need to do it on the mesh level

[broken light]

yeh it would change depending how far the mouse is

[quaint rock]

really just try it

[cosmic rain]

Well, in this case you test both CPU side and GPU side to see if GPU overhead is worth it.

[broken light]

okay

[quaint rock]

a few thosand verts is not that bad, the overhead of cpu to gpu will take more time then that

and you should be able to do it a few times within a frame budget

[stark nimbus]

        Dictionary<string, int> OrderByDescending(Dictionary<string, int> dict)
        {
            Dictionary<string, int> dict2 = new Dictionary<string, int>(dict);
            Dictionary<string, int> sorted = new Dictionary<string, int>();
            for (int i = 0; i < dict.Count; i++)
            {
               KeyValuePair<string, int> highest = Highest(dict2);
               sorted.Add(highest.Key, highest.Value);
            }
            return sorted;
        }

        KeyValuePair<string, int> Highest(Dictionary<string, int> dict)
        {
            KeyValuePair<string, int> highest = new KeyValuePair<string, int>(string.Empty, 0);
            foreach (KeyValuePair<string, int> kvp in dict)
            {
                if (kvp.Value > highest.Value) highest = kvp;
            }
            dict.Remove(highest.Key);
            return highest;
        }

[quaint rock]

that will work but will be costly, much more then any of the sorting algorithms C# already has out of the box

[stark nimbus]

more than Linq?

[quaint rock]

since for each item you add you are looping the whole collection again

also you should confirm Dictionary actaully maintains insertion order

[rain minnow]

if you need to constantly set the order, i'd look into another collection . . .

[quaint rock]

its based on a hashmap so unless they got something else in there to help it wont maintain order

[rain minnow]

dictionary doesn't seem like the you want/need . . .

[quaint rock]

like are you ever looking things up by key?

since if not, would just use a list of structs

they can be sorted in place

or go even more specialized then that depending on performance needs, like a PriorityQueue

also how often are you needing to do this, you could also just be greatly overestimating the costs and making it more complciated then needed

[stark nimbus]

I have no reason to avoid Linq, I just wanted to do this "manually"

and it does keep the order

        [ConsoleCommand("sort")]
        void Sort(ConsoleSystem.Arg arg)
        {
            Dictionary<string, uint> sorted = OrderByDescending(dict);
            SendReply(arg, $"\n{JsonConvert.SerializeObject(dict)}\n{JsonConvert.SerializeObject(sorted)}");
        }

        Dictionary<string, uint> dict = new Dictionary<string, uint>
        {
            { "ten", 10 },
            { "twenty", 20 },
            { "thirty", 30 },
            { "seventy", 70 },
            { "eighty", 80 },
            { "hundred", 100 },
            { "ninety", 90 },
            { "fourty", 40 },
            { "fifty", 50 },
            { "sixty", 60 }
        };

        Dictionary<string, uint> OrderByDescending(Dictionary<string, uint> dict)
        {
            Dictionary<string, uint> dict2 = new Dictionary<string, uint>(dict);
            Dictionary<string, uint> sorted = new Dictionary<string, uint>();
            for (uint i = 0; i < dict.Count; i++)
            {
               KeyValuePair<string, uint> highest = Highest(dict2);
               sorted.Add(highest.Key, highest.Value);
            }
            return sorted;
        }

        KeyValuePair<string, uint> Highest(Dictionary<string, uint> dict)
        {
            KeyValuePair<string, uint> highest = new KeyValuePair<string, uint>(string.Empty, 0);
            foreach (KeyValuePair<string, uint> kvp in dict)
            {
                if (kvp.Value > highest.Value) highest = kvp;
            }
            dict.Remove(highest.Key);
            return highest;
        }

[quaint rock]

.net must have a extra collection in there keeping track of insertion order then, since a traditional hashmap does not, since its optmized just for quick lookups by key

[green radish]

it it possible to store multiple datatypes in the same file and make them all serializable?

I added another datatype but repeating the serializable line doesnt work because it says only one can exist

[quaint rock]

sure depends on how you are writing this to file

[stark nimbus]

do you think my method will perform better than Linq's OrderByDescending ?

[quaint rock]

it will not

[green radish]

like this

cant use [System.Serializable] again so currently the second one is usable but not serializable

[quaint rock]

it will not since your method is really just getting max many times in a loop, and does more mutation

[quaint rock]

there is no reason you can not, you can apply the attribute to any type

[leaden solstice]

Who said you can’t

[green radish]

okay so apparently it randomly decided I can use it more than once, not sure what was wrong before than

[quaint rock]

i think you put it above the comment

then it worked when it was the line above the class

[rain minnow]

probably just placed [Serializable] in the wrong spot . . .

[green radish]

wouldnt be the first time I've messed up positioning

[plucky karma]

An .so file was embedded into the game build and I would like to omit this by using scripting symbol. I found the location, but unable to find a way to apply constraints. E.g. !DEMO_EVAL_COPY

[swift falcon]

I dont wanna ping the guy n disturb him but thx for the help i finally got it working

[green radish]

Discord is giving me a null error and claiming this is an object

is Unity just being broken and needs a restart?

[leaden ice]

what?

what error message are you getting

[green radish]

links to the highlited line of code

[leaden ice]

ok on line 35 of Sim_Entity.cs you are trying to use a null variable

[leaden ice]

then either Forces is null or Forces[i] is null

[green radish]

its not null, and its not an object

[leaden ice]

1. Yes it is, or your wouldn't get an error
2. Everything in C# is an object

[green radish]

this is the relevant code that comes before and after that

[leaden ice]

right so you never actually initialized any of the elements of the Forces array

so they are all null

hence Forces[i].force is the same as null.force

hence the error

[green radish]

so I need to set the values of each individual element without actually calling those elements?

[leaden ice]

1. You need to assign each element of the array to an actual object if you wish to use said objects
2. not sure what "calling those elements" means

[green radish]

elements of the array, elements 0-2

[leaden ice]

also what's with this for loop and switch? This is so weird

[lean sail]

what are you trying to do with this for loop and switch? you could just assign the values once in start

instead of every frame

[green radish]

its because I'd like the values to be able to change situationally

[lean sail]

Forces[0] = new(put your force here, put your target here)
Same with force[1] and [2]

[leaden ice]

these are just hardcoded though

not situational at all

[lean sail]

if you want it to change based on a situation, that situation should change these values

[green radish]

I'd later change the code to ask for other things and calculate the value, right now they are hardcoded

[leaden ice]

Forces = new Force[] {
  new Force {
    force = 52,
    target = Vector2.up
  },
  new Force {
    force = 0,
    target = Vector2.zero
  },
  new Force {
    force = 52 * 0.6f,
    target = Vector2.down
  }
};```
This is how i'd do what you're trying to do in the code right now^

and definitely not in Update

[green radish]

if I put it in Start than they only get set once and never again

[leaden ice]

that's what your code is doing right now

regardless you need to initialize them in Start

you can change them later too

but you need at least this in Start

you can also just do:

Forces = new Force[] {
  new Force(),
  new Force(),
  new Force()
};```
Or:
```cs
int count = 3;
Forces = new Force[count];
for (int i = 0; i < count; i++) Forces[i] = new Force();```

regardless you need to use new at some point to create these objects

[green radish]

as for why I was doing it in Update its because I want to be able to change the length to add more forces, and if the length is hardcoded at the beginning I cant do that

[leaden ice]

If you want to be able to add more you should be using a List rather than an array

Lists can be resized, arrays cannot

[green radish]

but as far as I know you cant just add length to an array, your forced to recreate the array entirely to set new length

[leaden ice]

Lists you can

you are using an array

not a list

[green radish]

because it forces you to recreate it, that also entails setting the values again

[lean sail]

you really might want to experiment with this outside unity, so you can run it quickly/see the outcome

[leaden ice]

You are not forced to recreate a List to add things to it.

[green radish]

would I still have to create each member of a list or does creating a list create them?

[leaden ice]

you still have to create each member

[stark nimbus]

yep, Linq takes 16687 ticks to complete, my method takes 35073 ticks to complete

count2 uses Linq's OrderByDescending(x => x.Value)

[stark nimbus]

count uses my method

[green radish]

if I do this to ensure the item being called isnt null would this work or do I still need to set the values of the item?

[leaden ice]

this wil not work

with a list you start with an empty list and Add them each

I don't really understand why you seem to be making this hard on yourself

[stark nimbus]

wait... this didn't actually sort my dict OrderByDescending(x => x.Value)

that's why it took half as long

lol

[leaden ice]

Linq doesn't sort things in place

it returns a new collection

[stark nimbus]

ah

[leaden ice]

also I don't really understand what you mean by sorting a dict anyway - Dictionaries are not ordered

[green radish]

this seemed like it should work, if it doesnt exist it should be null, which should trigger the addition of a new item to the list

[leaden ice]

unlike an array, the list just starts empty. It doesn't start out with null entries

[leaden ice]

the list starts empty, not with null entries

doing Forces[i] will be out of range if there is not that many elements in the list yet

[green radish]

oh wait I see the issue now

oops

[leaden ice]

just initialize the list at the start, e.g.

Forces = new List<Force>() {
  new Force {
    force = 52,
    target = Vector2.up
  },
  new Force {
    force = 0,
    target = Vector2.zero
  },
  new Force {
    force = 52 * 0.6f,
    target = Vector2.down
  }
};```

[green radish]

list still starts from 0 when counting items, right?

[leaden ice]

of course

[stark nimbus]

like this?

Dictionary<string, uint> dict2 = new Dictionary<string, uint>();
foreach (KeyValuePair<string, uint> kvp in dict.OrderByDescending(x => x.Value))
{
    dict2.Add(kvp.Key, kvp.Value);
}

[leaden ice]

why not just:

Dictionary<string, uint> dict2 = dict.OrderByDescending(x => x.Value).ToDictionary();```?

But again

this doesn't do anything

because Dictionaries are NOT ordered

[stark nimbus]

^

[leaden ice]

YOu can't rely on it

it's undocumented behavior

and subject to change or be different on other platforms

You can use one of these classes though:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.collections.specialized.ordereddictionary?view=net-7.0
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.collections.generic.sortedlist-2?view=net-7.0

For purposes of enumeration, each item in the dictionary is treated as a KeyValuePair<TKey,TValue> structure representing a value and its key. The order in which the items are returned is undefined.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.collections.generic.dictionary-2?view=net-7.0#remarks

[night harness]

If you need an ordered dictionary is it worth just having a tuple list?

[leaden ice]

if they need to look up values by the key efficiently, a list will not be as fast

[cosmic rain]

At that point, just wrap your data in a separate class/struct.

[leaden ice]

but if they really just want an ordered list of pairs, then sure

[gray mural]

Does someone know any easy way to make everything but 1 object not clickable

probably not the same as not interactable

so here I shouldn't be able to click on anything but "Edit - Level" panel

anyway, it's appearance shouldn't be changed

[somber nacelle]

you could probably cheese it and use an invisible panel that covers everything but the panel you'd like to edit. or you can put the stuff that should be clickable on another layer and modify the mask on the GraphicRaycaster

[gray mural]

I see, I will probably still let the player to scroll and select orders

[leaden solstice]

The full Image component 😄

[gray mural]

so I will just have to disable levels select action

[gray mural]

?

[leaden solstice]

Normal to have a popup background Image component for that, with some alpha to dim

UX wise better too if you want user to focus on that popup

[gray mural]

I see, so to make everything less visible?

[leaden solstice]

Yeah showing that ‘these are not clickable’

[gray mural]

I see, but I don't want to make it as I am using pgAdmin for inspiration

they use a box shadow there

and it's draggable

and size editable

[leaden solstice]

Sure, that feels like more of dockable window style (which you can also click background)

But anyways, just preference

[gray mural]

yes, this one looks better, thank you both for help 😄

how do I disable an action not permanently?

do I have to use a bool?

public event UnityAction<OptionSelectButton, bool> onOptionSelect;

private bool onOptionSelectEnabled = true;

public void SomeMethod(OptionSelectButton foo, bool bar)
{
    if (onOptionSelectEnabled)
        // ...
}

[cosmic rain]

Yeah, that's one way. Another is just not to invoke the action.

[gray mural]

what do you mean?

[cosmic rain]

Well, you're calling it from somewhere. Do you not?

Invoking the event.

[gray mural]

yes.

you mean?

private void OnEnable()
{
    onOptionSelect += SelectOption;
}

private void OnDisable()
{
    onOptionSelect -= SelectOption;
}

[cosmic rain]

No. Where do you invoke the onOptionSelect?

[lean sail]

this isnt invoking the event, thats adding/removing listeners

[gray mural]

public void InvokeOptionSelect(OptionSelectButton option, bool value) => 
    onOptionSelect?.Invoke(option, value);

[cosmic rain]

Ah, I remember now.
That's the code that I said was over engineering.😅

[gray mural]

that's because I have overloads

public void InvokeOptionSelect(OptionSelectButton option, bool value) => 
    onOptionSelect?.Invoke(option, value);

public void InvokeOptionSelect(OptionSelectButton option) => 
    InvokeOptionSelect(option, option != currOption);

public void InvokeOptionSelect() => InvokeOptionSelect(currOption, true);

[cosmic rain]

The issue is that you're abusing anonymous methods/lambdas. So you don't have full control over them.

[lean sail]

why is this a UnityAction 🤔 is there a benefit to actually using them

[gray mural]

why not? they have done a UnityAction anyway

[gray mural]

so how do I disable this event?

[cosmic rain]

Just don't call the InvokeOptionSelect method.

[gray mural]

oh, I see now

[lean sail]

i didnt see where you are adding listeners, but yea u cant exactly do what you want if you're adding these with lambda expressions

[gray mural]

public void InvokeOptionSelect(OptionSelectButton option, bool value)
{
    if (bool)
        onOptionSelect?.Invoke(option, value);
}

[lean sail]

🤔 why does that 2nd parameter even exist lol, just dont call InvokeOptionSelect

[gray mural]

because sometimes I have to select a button regardless if it's already selected or not

sometimes the value is option != currOption

[lean sail]

i must be missing some important context, but this definitely does seem overly complicated

or overengineered

[gray mural]

just don't wanna call the event directly in another classes

[somber nacelle]

you can't anyway. events can only be invoked by the object that owns it

[gray mural]

how can I inherit from UnityAction?
in order to make a bool like CustomUnityAction.enabled

[lean sail]

🤔 what

[gray mural]

no..?

[lean sail]

yes.

[somber nacelle]

yes, that's literally the entire point of the event keyword for a delegate

[lean sail]

You have a function to invoke the event for you, but the event can only be invoked from the object that owns it

[stable osprey]

yeah it's great for keeping scope to a minimum

[elder zenith]

is there a way to save a Transform at Awake() to reset the object to it's original position and scale? Or do i have to store the variables separately?

[lean sail]

just save the variables separately

[stable osprey]

you'd have to store them separately yup. Something fancy you could do is utilize local functions and local variable caching

Action ResetPositionsAction;
void Awake() {
  var (pos, scale) = (transform.position, transform.localScale);
  ResetPositionsAction += ResetPositions;

  void ResetPositions() { (transform.position, transform.localScale) = (pos, scale); }
}

-- to avoid having to store the variables as members of the class, that is

[cosmic rain]

You're trying to give objects responsibility/functionality that doesn't belong in them. Delegates/events are not supposed to be disabled or enabled. A ui element can be enabled/disabled. The UI element should decide whether it should invoke events belonging to it or not based on its state, not the state of the event(which shouldn't really have any state aside from subscribers).

[lean sail]

id honestly just store it in the class. i mean this will store it anyways, u just dont see it now and cant use it for visualization or anything else

[stable osprey]

well sure! I'd rather keep scope to the minimum at all times so wouldn't do anything else than that -- except maybe a standalone class/component that was specifically written to do that

but in real-case scenarios would likely just do it exactly like this

[lean sail]

ah i just meant like inspector visualizations, maybe thats just me but I like to draw a bunch of gizmos around lol

my scene view is like a light festival sometimes

[gray mural]

so no way? 😐

[livid hemlock]

Hello, how can i do this when i click a button on the gamepad a new player is created and it is controlled by the gamepad and if i click a button on the keyboard the same thing happens but i control it with the keyboard, i'm using new input system and it should look like in the screenshot

[cosmic rain]

Probably not. I don't think it's possible to inherit from delegates.

[gray mural]

I see, thank you 😄

[stable osprey]

@gray mural on the bright side, you can create a class that wraps a delegate and has all the functionality needed to operate on it and invoke it

[gray mural]

so, to make a full class

[stable osprey]

public class MyDelegateWrapper {
  Action myDelegate;

  public void Invoke() => myDelegate.Invoke();

  public static implicit operator MyDelegateWrapper(Action del) => new MyDelegateWrapper() { myDelegate = del; };
  public static implicit operator = (Action del) => this.myDelegate = del;
  public static implicit operator += (Action del) => this.myDelegate += del;
  public static implicit operator -= (Action del) => this.myDelegate -= del;
}

yup

[gray mural]

and that's all?

[stable osprey]

hmm there can be more, but yeah

public class MyDelegateWrapper {
  Action myDelegate;

  public void Invoke() => myDelegate.Invoke();

  // operators for Action
  public static implicit operator MyDelegateWrapper(Action del) => new MyDelegateWrapper() { myDelegate = del; };
  public static implicit operator = (Action del) => this.myDelegate = del;
  public static implicit operator += (Action del) => this.myDelegate += del;
  public static implicit operator -= (Action del) => this.myDelegate -= del;

  // operators for MyDelegateWrapper
  public static implicit operator MyDelegateWrapper(MyDelegateWrapper del) => new MyDelegateWrapper() { myDelegate = del.myDelegate; };
  public static implicit operator = (MyDelegateWrapper del) => this.myDelegate = del.myDelegate;
  public static implicit operator += (MyDelegateWrapper del) => this.myDelegate += del.myDelegate;
  public static implicit operator -= (MyDelegateWrapper del) => this.myDelegate -= del.myDelegate;
}

[gray mural]

I see, I will try that, thank you 😄

[stable osprey]

np 🙂

just tried it, seems this is the best you can have to allow sugar syntax:

public class MyDelegateWrapper {
    Action myDelegate;

    public void Invoke() => myDelegate.Invoke();

    // operators for Action
    public static implicit operator MyDelegateWrapper(Action del) => new MyDelegateWrapper() { myDelegate = del };
    public static MyDelegateWrapper operator +(MyDelegateWrapper left, Action right) => left.myDelegate += right;
    public static MyDelegateWrapper operator -(MyDelegateWrapper left, Action right) => left.myDelegate -= right;

    // operators for MyDelegateWrapper
    public static MyDelegateWrapper operator +(MyDelegateWrapper left, MyDelegateWrapper right) { left.myDelegate += right.myDelegate; return left; }
    public static MyDelegateWrapper operator -(MyDelegateWrapper left, MyDelegateWrapper right) { left.myDelegate -= right.myDelegate; return left; }
}

I believe this is why Unity went with AddListener and RemoveListener on its custom event types instead of sticking to the standard +=, -=, and = of C#

[ancient anvil]

Hello, I am tryign to get into unity and coding. I am trying to make doodle jump like game, and I try to find a way to spawn enemies on spawned platforms, but cant seem to understand how I can acheve that. I spawn platoforms with instantiane in random x range on fixed y and z position, with another script making those platforms "fall down". And I call the method with invoke repeating with some delay to make those platofrms to not overlap. Could you help guiding me how I can get dynamically get the position of those randomly generated platofrms so then i can spawn enemies with like 20% chance on platforms, or there's an easier way doing it?

[gray thunder]

each platform prefab could have a spawn point and just create a random chance of spawning an enemy on that spawn point

[rocky helm]

So, I've been thinking for a while and am yet to find a good solution to the following problem:
I have a List<Vector2[]> where every Vector2[] contains polygon vertices on a mesh and no vertices are shared between polygons. I would need to get all the connected polygons (aka 2 or more vertices are in roughly the same place for 2 polygons) for every polygon. The current solution I have thought of would be to loop through every 2 vertices and every other 2 vertices on other polygons, aka something roughly like this:

for(int i = 0; i < polygons.Count; i++) //Where 'polygons' is List<Vector2[]>
{ 
  for(int j = i+1; j < polygons.Count; j++) //For every polygon loop through every following polygon
  {
    if(any 2 vertices of polygons[i] overlaps with any 2 vertices of polygons[j]) //This would probably require even more loops
    {
      //Add polygons[j] to connected polygons of polygons[i]
    }
  }
}

Yet, considering there are around 100 (convex) polygons, each with 3-6 vertices each, this would be pretty slow, mostly when taking into consideration that I have a demanding function happening on the same frame.

[cosmic rain]

Where do you have this data from in the first place?

[rocky helm]

I create it.

Unless you want to know off of what I create it

[cosmic rain]

Can't you assign the neighboring polygons when creating each new polygon?

[rocky helm]

No, I don't think so, unless I ran the code above every time I created a new one which would have the same effect

I take it from mesh data

kind of

[cosmic rain]

You only need to run it x times for each vertex of the new polygon times y existing polygons.

On the other hand now you need to run each polygon z times its vertices x times all other polygons y.

[rocky helm]

That would take long no?

Considering there are around 100 (convex) polygons, each with 3-6 vertices each.

[cosmic rain]

Well, if you're creating them all at the same time, then yes.

It would be the same.

[rocky helm]

Which is indeed the case

[cosmic rain]

Then there's not much you can do imho. Just do it asynchronously over several frames if you can afford it.

[rocky helm]

Actually, I think there might be a better solution now that I think about it, but I am still not sure what it is. I'm going to draw a picture quickly so that it would be easier to visualize

[maiden swallow]

hi, how to fix my player hooks into the ground? i hold 'D' (move right) and it just stops after a while

using unity 2d, and tilemap collider 2d

[rocky helm]

Okay so, imagine this, where the blue outline is a window frame and the red pieces are glass shards which are stored using the same List<Vector2[]> where every Vector2[] is one of the red polygons that you can see (each separated by more vibrant red lines). I need to get every connected group of these shards.

[agile elbow]

i got a bug when i swtich from PC platform to Mobile Platform. They are like little black dots who are going up down left and right my screen
anybody know anything that would be helpful? Thanks in advance!

i cant find anything on internet that is related to this

only on mobile platform

[quartz folio]

This isn't a programming issue. Use the Frame Debugger and step over the rendering

[agile elbow]

Sorry to ask but how can I use it

[cosmic rain]

Is that for glass breaking effect or something?

[agile elbow]

never heard of

[rocky helm]

Indeed

[cosmic rain]

Do you have to do it at runtime?

[rocky helm]

Yes

[cosmic rain]

Why?

[rocky helm]

It's like realistic glass breaking. This glass isn't pre-broken, the player can break it

[agile elbow]

sorry to ask but how?

[rocky helm]

Google it

[cosmic rain]

I get it. I don't get why it needs to be done at runtime(finding the touching shards).

[maiden swallow]

just google it 🤯

[cosmic rain]

Just do it in the editor and cache the data.

Then use it for free at runtime.

[rocky helm]

No can do. As I mentioned before, this is a "realistic glass breaking effect" which is simulated at runtime. It must be done at runtime because of the variation of the glass shapes there are, and also the player has a gun which he can shoot at any point of the glass, plus there is reqursive shooting, so there really isn't a way to pre-simulate this

[cosmic rain]

So you don't know the shard vertices before the glass is broken?

[rocky helm]

I have a fracture pattern (picture) what is used for the glass breaking of what I do have the vertex data which I store in the script, but that's really all

[cosmic rain]

That's really all you need.

Just cache the shards as a list of C# object having a reference to their neighbors.

[rocky helm]

Well, I suppose I could do that, but that would require me to change the script a bunch, but that's for me to figure out, thanks for the help!

[agile elbow]

Vertx, i found a problem at DrawTransparentObjects. How can i see what made this problem?

[quartz folio]

Post a better screenshot of the issue in a relevant channel, #💻┃unity-talk is also fine

[agile elbow]

added vertx

[vestal crest]

hey is it possible to activate multiple scene at the same time? i made a loading scene and it loads mainscene and as additive it loads ui scene. but ui scene loads 3 frames later. i want them to load at the same time

[dusk apex]

Maybe have the scenes inactive till the second is finished?

[simple egret]

Normally you should be able to set allowSceneActivation to false on both AsyncOperations here, and once both are ready, set them to true and it should create them at the same time

That's how I did a "press any key to continue" prompt once

[vestal crest]

then i should make a list of async operation and when it finishes foreach i should set them allowsceneactivation?

i tried it it didnt load but lemme try again

[simple egret]

You just have 2 scenes, so no need for a list

Use 2 variables and check them both in the while loop

[vestal crest]

when i set operations allowsceneactivation to false it stopped progress. i debug progress and it is always 0

i think setting true to allowsceneactivation does not activate them when you set it

[quaint rock]

yeah would not work for your purpose then, asmdefs are only about C# assemblies not anything precompiled

[scarlet viper]

are inspector rotation values euler angles or local euler angles?

[simple egret]

All local

Position, rotation, scale

[quaint rock]

as far as data goes only the local values exist, the world ones are computed on request when accessed

[late lion]

For rotation, it's special local euler angles that can have negative angles. It doesn't always match transform.localEulerAngles.

[sweet sedge]

Hi everyone, good day. I am sort of a newbie to Unity and I have an issue with my scene loading in an HDRP VR project. I use the "LoadSceneAsync", but I still get a 2-3 second lag in my headset before the next scene loads and I want to have a seamless transition. Please, I would appreciate any help and suggestions I can get.

This is the code for the scene change:

[heady iris]

It's only going to be so good

Even if you load the scene asynchronously, it has to do a bunch of synchronous work to actually start playing the scene

[trim schooner]

Try looking at sub scenes?

[heady iris]

isn't that an ECS-specific concept

[sweet sedge]

No I haven't. what are those?

[trim schooner]

They seem pretty easy to use, auto does the ECS stuff for you

[heady iris]

right, it converts a gameobject-based scene into entities

using the bakers you've defined

[trim schooner]

and loads instantly - so the video I watched said

[heady iris]

i'm not sure this is relevant...

[trim schooner]

wants to load a scene without any lag..

sub scenes do that..

[heady iris]

The entity component system (ECS) uses subscenes instead of scenes to manage the content of your application. This is because Unity's core scene system is incompatible with ECS.

[trim schooner]

You still have scenes, you create a sub scene.. and load that

Seriously, it is relevant.

[heady iris]

A subscene is a reference to an authoring or entity scene. In the Unity Editor, you create a subscene to add authoring elements to. When the subscene is closed, it triggers the baking process for related entity scenes.

i would be very surprised if you could do anything with subscenes if you aren't making an Entities-based game

[trim schooner]

Gonna use it for my fps vehicle game driving around a city.

[ancient anvil]

that is an interesting thoght! Thank you 🙂

[lucid wigeon]

How would I force initialization of a instantiated prefab? If I just assign the public vars it's easy to forget to assign some of them.

[heady iris]

The methods in UnityEngine.Assertions.Assert may be helpful here.

For example...

void Start() {
  UnityEngine.Assertions.Assert.IsNotNull(florp);
}

using UnityEngine.Assertions; can cut that down to Assert.IsNotNull(florp);

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Assertions.Assert.html

Assertions are discarded in non-development builds

A failed assertion will throw an error. This makes these mistakes very loud.

[rain minnow]

call a method, like Init on a script from the prefab when you instantiate it . . .

you can pass an argument like a struct or any variable(s) the instantiated object needs . . .

[lucid wigeon]

Thanks. I have a bunch of those. But that doesn't prevent from Instantiating and not calling Init(). I wonder if there is a cleaner solution that would imitate a construtor.

[rain minnow]

i don't see how you forget. it should only be in one spot, no?

[lucid wigeon]

One spot for each script you add... A prefab can have multiple scripts on it...

[rain minnow]

if the values aren't set during runtime, then you know you forget. Updating the script to initialize the object should be a quick fix . . .

multiple scripts? you can place code in Awake or Start to setup and initialize a script when an object is created . . .

you shouldn't have to call a custom method on each script, that doesn't seem like a good design . . .

[lucid wigeon]

Isn't calling Init( ... params ...) already calling a custom method on them?

[rain minnow]

yes, i'm saying you shouldn't have to call that on multiple scripts . . .

[lucid wigeon]

what if you have a animation script and audio script which are totally unrelated and have different properties but are required on the given gameobject?

and both of them require initialization like assigning a nearest NPC or player or something

[rain minnow]

those properties should already be set on the scripts of the prefab . . .

if you need to then using a controller script (mediator) would be best . . .

[lucid wigeon]

how would I assign the current scene objects to a prefab? I believe it cannot be done, only other way round

[prime sinew]

https://unity.huh.how/programming/references

see dependency injection. this link is pinned in #💻┃code-beginner

[rain minnow]

have a controller script with references to all the components on the object, then call Init on the controller script with all the parameters needed. that method can access the other scripts and assign the values (or just pass the parameters to them) . . .

[lucid wigeon]

this is the same thing as calling Init()....

but called Initalise()

[prime sinew]

I didn't scroll up your convo. I'm just answering that one question

the name of the function doesn't matter

[lucid wigeon]

Ok, thanks

[prime sinew]

it's basically what Random described after anyway

[heady iris]

There's only so much you can do here. Constructors are guaranteed to run because they're part of the object's lifecycle -- you have to run a constructor, by definition.

[lucid wigeon]

Ok, I am using that already, I thought there might be a better option

[heady iris]

You can't really force another method to be called, or for another property to be assigned

you can't always prove that a method gets called

halting problem, etc.

[rain minnow]

the other option is to use events. all necessary components can subscribe to an event on a controller script. you can invoke the event with params and they'll run the method attached to the subscription for each component . . .

we'd really have to see your code and approach to determine what you're trying to assign to everything . . .

[heady iris]

I have some values that only need to be computed once per frame. So, I can just cache the value if it's used more than once per frame.

How should I invalidate this value? I could do it in Update, but other things might have used it already. I could do it in LateUpdate, but these values could get used in LateUpdate as well

I kind of want an "EarlyUpdate" message.

I could record the frame that the value was last computed on, I guess

current use-case: anything that's visible in my game has a light level. I compute this by sampling nearby light probes, which has a non-trivial cost if you do it over and over and over..

[simple egret]

Yeah that's how I would do it

[heady iris]

this would avoid re-computing it if nobody cares about it, too

of course, I think I need to re-consider my "multiple sphere-casts for every part of the target's body" scheme, first...

[simple egret]

Custom setter that does nothing if the frame is less or equals to the previously recorded one, or that the value hasn't changed

[heady iris]

(the vision system tries to estimate how "obstructed" your view of the target is by doing progressively narrower spherecasts until one doesn't hit the map)

i might just throw that out and rely on how many body parts are visible through simple raycasts instead

[rain minnow]

maybe use a struct with a prev value and cur value property? set the cur value to prev value when the frame changes and update cur value to the new value for 'this' frame . . .

[lucid wigeon]

I'll stick to using the Init(...) pattern. How would you distinguish at a glance which properties are to be initialized and which can be "drag and dropped" in the inspector? I am using private [SerializeField] for each dependency property to be able to see in the inspector if it was assigned or not (like [SerializeField] GameObject player;). But then if it's unassigned (None) I cannot tell if I should drag and drop it in EDIT mode or whether it will be initialized (without checking in the code).

How else can I see if properties are assigned without using [SerializeField] or debugging? Do I need to write a custom inspector for that?

If I don't use [SerializeField] then I'm in the dark because I can't even see if given dependency was initialized without debugging.

[rain minnow]

do you need multipler casts for each body part? are you able to combine some of the body parts to use one cast? also, have you tried pinging or calling the cast every X frames or every X seconds?

[heady iris]

yeah, all of these are valid options

spreading it out over several frames, notably (I want a smeared-out value anyway)

[heady iris]

if the field does not need to be serialized, I'd just remove the [SerializeField] and then use assertions to make sure they're set properly

[lucid wigeon]

Sounds like a good idea actually

[heady iris]

i do wish there was a way to easily display a field but gray it out

basically a [ReadOnly]

i know people have implemented that before

[rain minnow]

any reference field, like a component, can be dragged. i find that an easy solution. errors from gameplay will tell you if it's not assigned (you can also look in the inspector). another option is to check/set them in Reset or Awake as a back up . . .

[heady iris]

Asserts should be used for "shouldn't-happen" situations

things that, if they occur, mean the game is in a bogus state

this is distinct from something that's just unusual or exceptional (e.g. the autosave file doesn't exist)

they made chasing down weird Blender crashes a lot more convenient

in the release build, it runs until it derefs a null pointer and explodes

in the development build, it throws an error because an array's length is wrong

[lucid wigeon]

Here's a code sample which might clarify the question https://pastecode.io/s/kukrri5u

[rain minnow]

either way seems fine to me. you can set the inspector to debug mode to see private variables (if you don't use the SerializeField method) . . .

it'll only be null if Init isn't called anyway, so it's easy to see where the problem or bug is . . .

[sweet sedge]

Wow... So does it mean one would have to reconfigure the whole project to work with ECS?

[lucid wigeon]

I wish there was that [Readonly] attribute to easily grey out properties in the inspector but still make them visible... Tried that a bit but it didn't work for me without creating whole custom editor for each script

[heady iris]

presumably so, yes.

[leaden ice]

download NaughtyAttributes
https://dbrizov.github.io/na-docs/attributes/meta_attributes/read_only.html

[sweet sedge]

What about a way of loading all the scenes in the build at the beginning but they will be inactive until you want them you want them to be active

[heady iris]

I guess you could additively load a scene and then deactivate everything in it

that would get some of the work out of the way

[lucid wigeon]

Thanks

[sweet sedge]

I tried this for additive loading but it didn't seem to work for me. I'm not really sure how to apply it

[leaden ice]

That while condition looks backwards

Also unclear where the activation is being allowed to continue

[simple egret]

It is backwards and yes, you prevent the scene switch from happening by setting allowSceneActivation to false

[rancid frost]

How do I delete the gameobject I created when I stop playing?

[rancid frost]

Set scene activation to true AFTER the while loop

[leaden ice]

Destroy(obj, myAudioClip.length);

[rancid frost]

optimal to create a new gameobejct everytime I wanna play audio?

its for UI audio, 10 second clips max

[heady iris]

just have a persistent audio source that you call PlayOneShot on

[leaden ice]

no

[rancid frost]

I wanna be fancy and do it through script 🙂

[leaden ice]

You can use PlayOneShot on an AudioSource or even just https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/AudioSource.PlayClipAtPoint.html

[heady iris]

i wouldn't call this "fancy"

[leaden ice]

PlayClipAtPoint doesn't require an actual audio source in the scene

[rancid frost]

I need to set the mixer, so cant use playatclip...

[heady iris]

aha!

This function creates an audio source but automatically disposes of it once the clip has finished playing.

I remember seeing this behavior in NeosVR, but I didn't observe it when using PlayOneShot. So that's what was doing it.

[leaden ice]

then probably PlayOneShot is your best bet

[heady iris]

that's how I do audio in my UI

the menu controller has an audio source; everyone asks the menu controller to play sounds when needed

[rancid frost]

how do u set the mixer do?

[heady iris]

PlayOneShot is called on a specific audio source

PlayClipAtPoint is not

all of the settings of the audio source are respected when using PlayOneShot

[rancid frost]

So, u need a persistent source either way huh

[heady iris]

no, your scheme would involve creating and destroying them repeatedly

as would using AudioSource.PlayClipAtPoint

[rancid frost]

I was going to create only 1, but I dont know how to destroy it when applicaiton stops playing

[heady iris]

don't bother

just have an AudioSource for UI sounds

[rancid frost]

roger

[rancid frost]

How do i stop this?

this time, Im checking if the object is in the scene...incase I forgot to add it then, I create it

How can I permantenty spawn a gameobject which doesnt get destroyed after play

[leaden ice]

it's because you're creating an object in OnDestroy

do it in the code that calls Destroy instead.

[rancid frost]

I meant when application STOP playing...mb

[rancid frost]

you were right

I was creating the object on a OnDisable..which is called by on destroy...

Thanks for the help never theless my friend

Question now is, how to know object is being destoyed when in onDisabled method?

[leaden ice]

you don't

so again it's better to trigger the audio being created in the code that is destroying the thing

Like one example is if you have code that takes damage on an object and destroys it if the HP is < 0, you spawn the object there rather than in OnDisable/OnDestroy

[worn stirrup]

I’m trying to figure out how I can vertically or horizontally “cut” a sprite to make it look like it’s getting crushed, bit by bit… how can I accomplish that with pixelated sprites? I’ve looked into UV editing for sprites and it seems confusing, but a simple UV shift + collider bounds shift sounds possible if sprite UVs are actually accessible like that… does anybody have experience cutting things in a cardinal direction, with collider updates?

[leaden ice]

Well a sprite is basically exactly that - UV pixel coordinates into the original texture

[rancid frost]

I see, I see,

[leaden ice]

you can modify the sprite rect with https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Sprite-rect.html

[thorn glade]

is there a way to do "OnCollisionEnter2D" but for a specific collider and not the gameobject that the script is attached to

[heady iris]

no, but you can check the otherCollider field on the Collision2D argument

the naming is a bit unintuitive. collider is what hit you

so otherCollider is the other collider in the collision: your own collider

[thorn glade]

where exactly would i find this

like

[heady iris]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Collision2D.html

[thorn glade]

collider2d.othercollider isnt a thing

alr

[heady iris]

Collision2D

not Collider2D

[indigo path]

Hi guys! I wanted to know if it's possible to call LoadSceneAsync from a ScriptableObject, because I saw that StartCoroutine is needed and that is a method of MonoBehaviour

[leaden ice]

StartCoroutine is not required for LoadSceneAsync but it's definitely convenient

If you want to start a coroutine you need a MonoBehaviour to run it

[indigo path]

How can I call it without coroutine? I was trying to use ScriptableObjects as Managers for my project, but the SceneManager is giving me some trouble due to this reason

[leaden ice]

I mean you can just subscribe to https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/AsyncOperation-completed.html
Or as long as you pass the AsyncOp somewhere you can manually check the progress and isDone etc https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/AsyncOperation.html

[indigo path]

Ok I see, thanks a lot!

[vague sedge]

i reimplemented the code completely into a new custom kinematic controller and its still doing the same thing so its 100% not because it was built with the built in character controller

[steady moat]

Then you did not implement it correctly.

(Or I did not understand what you were trying to do)

[ashen oyster]

I updated today lol

[vague sedge]

ive figured it out now, i just didnt calculate quaternion rotations properly thats all

but it wasnt to do with the character controller just lack of understanding

[abstract temple]

Hey all, im running through the VR development pathway on unity learn, and attempting to make the functional polaroid camera.
ive gotten as far as rendering the camera and attaching it to the newly created photograph, however it outputs a blurry mess instead of an actual photo.
here is the code im currently using: https://mystb.in/ProducerGuyanaClay

[ashen oyster]

The picture you're making is 256 by 256

set it to 1920 and 1080

At these locations

[abstract temple]

oh really? i got those numbers from the example solution when i got stuck

this is what the output looks like. blurry mightve been the wrong choice of words

[ashen oyster]

yeah lol

[ashen oyster]

omg it looks so fancy what

[thick terrace]

are you getting any errors in the log? i think ReadPixels expects both textures to have the same format so it might be failing if your render texture isn't also RGB24 (it's probably argb32?)

[abstract temple]

no errors related to the camera no

changing the output size didnt change anything either

[thick terrace]

The render target and the texture must use the same format, and the format must be supported on the device for both rendering and sampling.
so maybe try using an RGBA texture? or check what format your render texture actually ends up as when you ask for the default format

[spark stirrup]

Why is this code not destroying the checkpoint? It prints the correct object, so it's detecting it correctly:

 else if (other.CompareTag("Checkpoint"))
        {
            
            // Update the last checkpoint position to the current checkpoint position
            lastCheckpointPosition = other.transform.position;
            Destroy(other);
        }
        print(other);

[rigid island]

ur destroying other probably the collider, not the gameobject

[spark stirrup]

How would I fix that?

[rigid island]

other.gameObject

[spark stirrup]

thanks 🫡

[summer pivot]

I've tried, maybe I just can't understand what you mean, can you explain it in words to my game instead of someone elses?

[ashen oyster]

Does the new visual studio have AI built in??

[rigid island]

yes

[ashen oyster]

Oh interesting

Who made it

[rigid island]

Its called Intellicode

[tame lotus]

Yes, it's called IntelliCode, although it's been in VS since 2021

[rigid island]

microsoft made it

[ashen oyster]

That's crazy

is it any good

[rigid island]

Microsoft also own github, not surprised if they shared code from github pilot

[tame lotus]

it's great

although it just does 1 line at a time, not whole blocks like Copilot

[rigid island]

#archived-code-general message

[ashen oyster]

I mean that's still pretty amazing I've been typing it out since 2017

while tabbing the hell out of intellisense ofc

[rigid island]

yea half my code I just tab and it knows what I wanted

[tame lotus]

it is pretty creepy sometimes

[rigid island]

or maybe it just tells us we're not as unique as we think when doing mundaine things like writing code lol probably had so much data of people writing the same logic

[ashen oyster]

Well it failed here lol

But I guess it can't read my mind so that's fine

[rigid island]

is level editor a regular class ? otherwise this would not make sense

[ashen oyster]

wdym regular

[rigid island]

regular POCO. not monobehavior

maybe thats why it didn't suggest it if it's MB

MB don't get new()

[ashen oyster]

it's derived from monobehaviour

so yeah

[rigid island]

then yeah you don't use new()`

[ashen oyster]

exactly

[rigid island]

oh you're saying intellicode put that?

[ashen oyster]

Indeed

with it I meant intellicode not the compiler xdd

[rigid island]

yeah it doesn't know about GetComponent ig, bummer

[ashen oyster]

It did

But then i realised i got the wrong class and now the intellicode is different

even though they're both monobehaviours

[rigid island]

wait actually it does suggest GetComponent for me

idk whats up with yours lol

[abstract temple]

turns out the issue was with the target mesh, not the code lol

thanks 👍

[ashen oyster]

Epic reference mistake

100% of all confusion on stackoverflow

Woahh, was there always github stuff or am I just finding new things now because I'm looking out for it

[rigid island]

Github Examples you mean ?

or you mean VC built in VS

[woeful spire]

Okay, I'm confused. I'm getting weird behaviour reminicent of gimbal lock - but I'm only using Quaternions.

I'm first setting a rotation based on the object's world rotation and saving it as a Quaternion.
onGrabRotation = hit.transform.rotation; (with a raycast)

I am then, in FixedUpdate, constantly updating the rotation to match the inverse of it's original rotation.
grabJoint.targetRotation = Quaternion.Inverse(onGrabRotation);

The only thing that makes all of this weird is that I'm using a component I haven't used before; the Configurable Joint.
It's only been weird shit for me so far.
If I set the desired rotation to Quaternion.Identity, it starts rotating when it's grabbed (only on the Y-axis and relative to the world space), which is very gimbal-locky.

Is this component knows to just... not have the same rotation system or some shit?

I can post all the code, but it might not be super-tidy.

[heady iris]

the configurable joint has a ton of options

i'm still very weak with joints myself

[olive kindle]

do yall name base concrete/abstract classes with a suffix of Base

[heady iris]

sometimes, but it's not a hard rule

unlike with I-prefixing for interfaces

Especially if the derived classes aren't going to share any part of the abstract class's name

for example, I have Module that's derived by systems like Vision and Hearing

[olive kindle]

That makes sense I think

[heady iris]

maybe if it was going to be ModuleBase with VisionModule and HearingModule

[gray mural]

Why do enabled and gameObject.activeSelf show true even when the parent of the gameObject is inactive? How do I check if gameObject is actually active?

[heady iris]

you want isActiveAndEnabled

[gray mural]

tried, doesn't work

[heady iris]

oh, that'd be on a monobehaviour

you want gameObject.activeInHierarchy then

[dawn sandal]

Can any one help with an issue I'm having. I wanted to continue the unity coding course and when I return my license did work, so I renewed it and when I open my project and started it none of my C# scripts work any more, but they are complied.

[heady iris]

i am unclear what it means for none of the scripts to work

[dawn sandal]

They just don't do anything

[heady iris]

log something in the Start method of one of your classes

that should run on every copy of the component in the scene when the game starts

[gray mural]

that doesn't work too

[heady iris]

what does "doesn't work" mean?

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/GameObject-activeInHierarchy.html

This lets you know whether a GameObject is active in the game. That is the case if its GameObject.activeSelf property is enabled, as well as that of all its parents.

should be exactly what you need

[gray mural]

I have this method:

private void AddOptionSelectListener(OptionSelectButton option)
{
    print($"gameObject.activeInHierarchy: {gameObject.activeInHierarchy}; {name}");

    if (gameObject.activeInHierarchy)
        option.AddListener(() => InvokeOptionSelect(option));
}

and Awake in the same script:

private void Awake()
{
    print($"Awake - {name} - options.Count: {options.Count}");

    AddOptionSelectListeners(options); // foreach => AddOptionSelectListener
}

AddOptionSelectListeners method adds listeners to every option in options, but the multiple options are added when this method is called from another script:

public void AddSelectOption(OptionSelectButton option)
{
    options.Add(option);
    AddOptionSelectListener(option);
}

I can't check if the listener is added to the button already..

so checking if it's active should solve it, it doesn't though

[heady iris]

I don't understand. Are most of your objects made inactive before Awake runs?

I don't see how the third block of code fits into this.

[gray mural]

yes, the gameObect that has a script can be inactive or active

it adds a new option

foreach (string levelId in levelIds)
{
    LevelData levelData = LevelManager.instance.GetLevelData(levelId);

    if (levelData != null)
        SpawnLevelInfo(levelData); // this method adds a new option
    else
        GameUtility.DeleteLevel(levelId);
}

[lean sail]

The rotation on it should be fine I use configurable joints a lot, though the settings are tricky. If you set the rotation to quaternion.identity, the configurable joint is constantly gonna fight those rotations you apply in fixed update

[gray mural]

so you can add initial options in the inspector

and then add new options

[heady iris]

I still do not understand. What is the actual problem?

[gray mural]

the listener is added twice.

to the button

[heady iris]

are you activating the game objects later on?

if they were already manually registered, they will register themselves a second time when the object becomes active

[gray mural]

yes, the gameObject is activated when the button is pressed

[heady iris]

in fact, AddOptionSelectListener will always succeed if it's called by Awake

because, by definition, the game object must be active for Awake to run

[tiny orbit]

When I debug.log(screen.height) it prints 1,000 but its actually about 2,000. I have a few canvases that are screen space - camera which have a height of 2,000 and when I set objects height to 2,000 it fills the whole screen. Can anyone explain this discrepancy?

[heady iris]

do you have "Low Resolution Aspect Ratios" enabled on the game view?

If so, any of the Aspect options will be at half-res

[delicate zinc]

whats the easiest way to do a CapsuleCast from a CharacterController's Capsule?

Currently i have this code for it https://hastebin.com/share/bayipedesu.csharp, however, i dont precisely like how despite the rays that represent the point1 and point2 of the capsuleCast clearly dont touch the top block, it still detects a collision and draws a blue ray of the collision's normal. am i doing something wrong with how i'm calculating P1 and P2?

[tiny orbit]

its on free aspect

[heady iris]

the checkbox is only active (and relevant) on higher DPI screens

[hidden flicker]

When is there even an advantage to using Update over FixedUpdate?

[heady iris]

when you want to run something every frame, not just 50 times per second

moving the camera in FixedUpdate would be awful

[tiny orbit]

the box is not checked

[hidden flicker]

yes, i know the functional difference between them. but not why/when you'd want to use one over another

[heady iris]

What if you pick a specific resolution?

[hidden flicker]

fixedupdate always seems more precise

[heady iris]

sure, but it also might not run for several frames

imagine if you had a visual effect that only updated 50 times per second, even though your game was running at 110 FPS

it'd appear to be stuttering

FixedUpdate is used for physics so that they behave reliably.

but many things aren't so sensitive to the update rate

[tiny orbit]

yeah that works but i want it to work for free aspect

[gray mural]

exactly, that's the issue

[hidden flicker]

ohhhhh. thank you, that was helpful :)

[gray mural]

so basically I don't want listeners to be added twice

but I don't know the best way how to do it

checking if the gameObject is active to add a listener (that means Awake was already called called) sounded like a normal approach

something went wrong though.

[tiny orbit]

do you know why it would be off for a free aspect ratio?

[heady iris]

so do you see gameObject.activeInHierarachy: true; [name of object] twice in the logs?

or once false and once true

[gray mural]

once false and once true

now I have realised why it's so

[heady iris]

it's adding option to options twice

that's not conditional

[gray mural]

it works when GameObject is disabled in the inspector at the start

[heady iris]

I wouldn't expect it. Maybe it still pretends the DPI is lower?

[heady iris]

if you deactivate the object after you instantiate it, it's too late

[gray mural]

when it is enabled in the inspector, Awake is called for 0 options and then it's disabled in Start in another script, then options are added when activeInHierarachy is false, so no listeners are added to buttons

[gray mural]

yes.

probably my approach isn't the best

or the full logic with adding listeners is just too bad

so it's time for stupid ideas..

fixed:

private bool optionSelectListenersAdded = false;

private void Awake()
{
    optionSelectListenersAdded = true;

    AddOptionSelectListeners(options);
}

if (optionSelectListenersAdded)
    option.AddListener(() => InvokeOptionSelect(option));

and thanks for your help 😄

[woeful spire]

really? They're usually just... working?
I'm gonna have to make a new project and check the behaviour...

[lean sail]

i mean yea they exist in unity because they work. id have to see more settings or what you're really doing to understand whats not working though

my player is made up of 14 of those configurable joints

[brisk reef]

so I have this problem where after some time of re-using pooled projectiles, some projectiles kind of get messed up positions and rotations

I'd guess it's because some of the projectiles dont get resetted properly

any ideas why?

[summer pivot]

I'm having an issue where when the player kills zombie while getting hit by it, the health doesnt regenerate, I had this issue where the effects still played for the same issue, however I fixed that and I thought the health regenerate would fix with it. Let me also just send scripts quickly, 3 of them link together

PlayerController: https://hastebin.com/share/ajuhuxaxet.csharp

EnemyTouch: https://hastebin.com/share/epedohixeb.csharp

Target: https://hastebin.com/share/tofogexega.csharp

[leaden ice]

1. You should not use static variables to communicate between scripts like this. It will lead to all kinds of issues.
2. The way you are using StopCoroutine is not correct and will not do anything
3. It's unclear which object EnemyTouch is attached to, but if that object is getting destroyed the coroutine will cease running when the object is destroyed

[heady iris]

yes, StopCoroutine needs to be given the value returned by StartCoroutine

it seems very weird for EnemyTouch to be detecting collisions with the player and then messing with the player's health regen

[leaden ice]

or the IEnumerator value returned by invoking the coroutine itself (the same instance that's passed into StartCoroutine originally)

[heady iris]

surely there could be multiple enemies

[summer pivot]

enemy touch is attached to zombie prefab

[leaden ice]

yeah so

that's the issue

the coroutine dies when the zombie does

Why does the zombie have a script that is managing the player's health?

That seems backwards

[summer pivot]

So I should just put regen health and lose health in player controller script?

[leaden ice]

yes

[summer pivot]

Mate ngl I dont know what I do most of the time

[leaden ice]

basically the zombie script can just tell the player about the collision by calling a function on the player script

the player script should take it from there (e.g. starting/stopping coroutines etc)

[heady iris]

precisely.

the zombie should not care about the intricacies of the player's health regen

[tall pewter]

Hello everyone, I am using the new Unity input system, I am using it in the following way:

Where I need to use the input system I simply add the Player Input component, in the Behavior property I have it as send message and inside my character movement script I access the events that I have configured as OnMove, OnJump etc...

My problem is that I have a separate configuration script for the weapon but I realize that I am repeating the same steps of adding the component and accessing the action methods. I want to be able to have my configuration in a global way to be able to access it from any script of any prefab that needs it or if there is any convention or good practice of unity to handle the input system more efficiently.

[heady iris]

I originally bodged this by just making a singleton "input manager" class that has the Player Input component on it

it would reference the player and forward all of the events to them

[leaden ice]

• If you're using PlayerInput component the convention is that there should be one PlayerInput per physical human player
• You can make a script that handles the input and exposes it in whatever way you wish for other scripts to use.
• You may also want to explore other input handling strategies such as the use of the auto generated C# wrapper class or InputActionReferences

[heady iris]

alternatively, just stick it on the actual player, and then have the player tell the weapons about the input events

InputActionReferences are lovely

[leaden ice]

I actually think that having a weapon script handle input is not the best approach. Generally you'd have some controller script on the player handle the input and if there's a weapon attached it might call a "Use", "activate" or "Fire" method on the weapon script (when a weapon is equipped)

[tall pewter]

Maybe use the singleton pattern you think is correct? That way I can communicate to everyone what is happening with the entry system, it is what is occurring to me based on what they are telling me

[heady iris]

yep yep

[leaden ice]

If you want a "globally accessible state" kind of pattern, yes that's basically a singleton

[heady iris]

the player tells the weapon to fire

I've game-jammed several first person shooters (or vaguely similar games) and that's always what I do

then you can do funny stuff

like stapling a waepon to the wall and just making it fire on a timer

separation of concerns!

[tall pewter]

Ok I understand, so what I really have to do is that the player is in charge of controlling any action that happens with the weapons or if he is in a vehicle or on a plane, is that correct?

[heady iris]

Yep. You might have separate input actions for vehicles, but the vehicles still doesn't directly talk to the input system

[summer pivot]

https://hastebin.com/share/homavosuce.csharp I did it, but the issue is still happening, it is weird to me that the effects will stop but the health wont regen

[tall pewter]

Thank you very much for the help.

Thanks

[leaden ice]

OnCollisionExit is not going to run if the enemy is destroyed

Hoenstly these coroutines are overcomplicated I think

as mentioned you're not really handling the StopCoroutine bit properly anyway - and you're also not really handling what happens when multiple enemies touch you at once.

Anyway I have stuff to do so see ya and good luck 👋

should really just handle the damage and health regen either in Update or in a single long-running coroutine that you start one time in Start. Just use the isTouchingEnemy variable as needed

handling the lifecycle of all these different coroutines is a mess

[heady iris]

Coroutines make it really easy to get confused

especially when they're being run by entities with no business running them (zombies doing your health regen!)

[leaden ice]

just make a named custom struct instead of using tuple

Lists work fine with JsonUtility, yes

you cannot use tuple

if you have a custom class or struct, yes you must mark it as Serializable if you want JsonUtility to serialize it

[swift falcon]

I got a maybe simple question for Math-lovers.
I got a joystick that does simple input for a game.
The question is, i want to get the direction of that input.
I tried it but failed sadly. I will be happy if you give me a path on "how to do"

[ashen yoke]

do you have some code that failed?

its hard to imagine where it can fail

[upbeat hare]

Visual Coding With PlayMaker Cuz why not

[swift falcon]

yes lmao i am tried to do this by Vector2.Angle(); and it was returning weird number that i dont really believed its an angle.
I tried Quetarnion.FromToRotation(); and it seems it works but i didnt know how will i get the actual rotation like "its 45 not "01, 545,454,545" "

[ashen yoke]

ok step back , what is the direction that you need?

a direction vector?

what do you want to get in the end

[swift falcon]

In my head, i want to get the look rotation from real handle position to handle position. So i can create an Direction enum and set it to "Top" for instance by checking "If less or equal to this". After that i can integrate that to my player controller to do special things.

I tried to explain that by visualizing but eh

Getting the angle between real handle position to that handle position by radial 0-360 would be enough for me i think can do the rest.

Could you tell me why it doesnt give me zero when i point at the top?

[ashen yoke]

show code

i have a suspicion you didnt swap z and y

[swift falcon]

Here i did one

[ashen yoke]

the code where you extract both vectors

[vestal crest]

hey here i load main scene and additive scene to that scene. i want all of them to load exact same frame but without pressing any key. instead of pressing space i want to load all of them when im sure they are all loaded. how can i do this?

[ashen yoke]

movement and ui

[wanton edge]

You're defeating the poing of scenes, you should just make your own pool system for your objects, no reason to rely on unities system if you're doing your own custom stytems basically.

Question, for choosing game levels, does anyone have a good system other than hardcoding the level name + description and then loading a save of the level compleation?

[ashen yoke]

this is a good start https://github.com/starikcetin/Eflatun.SceneReference

[wanton edge]

I'm not using scenes.

[vestal crest]

what does that mean i dont understand

[ashen yoke]

then use scriptables or any referenceable container to represent your levels

[wanton edge]

You're trying to load scenes, why not just load and keep your data in memory and use it when you need to?

[ashen yoke]

the "hardcoding" part simply comes from lack of references

[ashen yoke]

can you elaborate what are you advocating here?

[heady iris]

i believe this was an attempt to get around the hitch that occurs when loading a new scene

this was asked about yesterday

[wanton edge]

hmm, not a bad idea, I'm against SO's.

Currently I'm referencing by ID and using a json "Data table" for other data.

[wanton edge]

Depending on what data @vestal crest is using, there's very little need for "scenes" these days. To me "I want to load all scenes" screams that he shouldn't be using scenes anyways.

He should have one scene and load and pool the scene data he want's to use.

He's already loading everyting with what he's trying to do currently.

[ashen yoke]

little need for scenes huh

[wanton edge]

So load all scenes huh

[ashen yoke]

ive seen this before

you want to sit for hours debugging json files for issues, having to build up all toolchain yourself, mod support, any QOL or tech features like lightmapping go out the window, desktop only

anyway

[wanton edge]

The lads loading all scenes at once... Where did I say "Don't ever use scenes"

[ashen yoke]

#archived-code-general message

[heady iris]

well, "there's very little need for 'scenes' these days" sounds relevant here.

[wanton edge]

He's trying to do the literal opposite of what scenes offer.

[ashen yoke]

you are thinking in terms of data loaded, you ignore the fact what scene offers as means of project organization and content creation pipelines

[wanton edge]

Just pool and use what you need, it's not complicated.

[wanton edge]

The guy is literally loading all scenes.. What are you trying to argue?

[ashen yoke]

it is very common for large games to utilize massive amounts of scenes that are segmenting a single open world, for example

[wanton edge]

I want to organize scenes and then use all of them at once

[ashen yoke]

yes

[vagrant blade]

Which is normal for complex projects

[ashen yoke]

thats how it works, a lot of times

[vestal crest]

actually im not loading all scenes. i want to load specific scenes at the start of the games. like UI scene MainScene

[wanton edge]

Sure mate, you are 100% correct, answer his question.

[ashen yoke]

hm

[heady iris]

oh, this was someone else entirely #archived-code-general message

[wanton edge]

UI's shoulnt be seperate scenes.

Complex project

[vestal crest]

why wouldnt be?

[wanton edge]

Why would it?

[vestal crest]

I dont have a problem with being seperated.

[wanton edge]

But why?

You're just adding complexity and then trying to merge scenes UI and Gameplay.

[quaint rock]

really UI would just use nested prefabs

that way its just in the scene already, but is easy to work on in isolation as needed

before nested prefabs i used to alway do it in addative scenes

[vestal crest]

its more organized to me but it doesnt matter i used one scene till now. now i am learning to work with multiple scenes. Dont focus on UI. think something else

[quaint rock]

but that was more for workflow reasons with mulitple team members

[wanton edge]

Sure, but UI shoulnd't exist as it's own scene, a prefab is organized just as well and less combersom. But do whatever you want.

[quaint rock]

if you want do UI with scenes, just learn about addative scene loading

and find a way to make the references required after

[ashen yoke]

i still dont understand your initial issue, you can just remove input check and rely on progress, you can LoadScene without async, im not sure what is the issue

[vestal crest]

my question is about additive scenes

you can see it from above

[vagrant blade]

Prefab or scene, it's just a container for something. Using a scene means you don't have to include your UI prefabs in each other scene at least.

[ashen yoke]

scenes for ui is a hinderance, prefab will already open the ui for editing in a separate stage, scene will force you to locate and open it every time you want to make ui adjustments, on top of that you dont have the built in means to reference that ui, create variants of it, nest it into another prefab if needed

[vestal crest]

if mainsceneoperations progress is completed is it sure to other all async op is completed?

i think both ways are okay. you dont need to put your ui prefab to other scenes you can just load the scene.

[wanton edge]

Mate you have multiple people suggesting to do it a different way, you're just being stubborn.

UI's are perfectly fine as prefabs and they save you the trouble of having to add extra logic around your code to wrap around scenes.

You can do what you want but it's a classic case of an XY problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem

Why deal with async when you can literally just .SetActive()

Less complex code is always better.

[ashen yoke]

i dont think there is a correlation between main and additive scene loading ops, youd have to await all of them

[thick terrace]

can you check if all of your ops are >= 90% every frame, then allow activation on all of them?

[wanton edge]

On top of loading in a scene you also have to grab all your references in that scene and set up all your events.

[vestal crest]

im not being stubborn as i said bot ways are okay to me. i dont have problem with your solution

[vestal crest]

i tried it but it doesnt work

it never works that if block

[quaint rock]

also the addative approach has a upside for systems that outlive your levels or how ever your structure the game

it depends on what needs are

[thick terrace]

what happens if you do that?

[vestal crest]

here i check all ops progres

activation if block doesnt work

[thick terrace]

what do you mean doesn't work?

[vestal crest]

it doesnt return true

[ashen yoke]

probably because its never called

if isDone is true on that frame, the loop will not run

so if the progress snaps to end in a frame, it wont be called

[vestal crest]

isdone cant be true because allsceneactivation is false

mainsceneprogress is 0.9f. mainsceneprogress if works but additivescenesprogress if doesnt work

[quaint rock]

why are you doing the allow scene activation thing

would just let it happen by defualt, if its just UI this is going to be a very fast load

might even happen in 1 frames time

[vestal crest]

because i want to activate the scene if all scenes are loaded

actually it loads 3 frames later

[ashen yoke]

whats the progress value in the debugger?

[quaint rock]

often the scene activation is the longest part unless its a very asset heavy scene

[vestal crest]

0

[quaint rock]

since the scene activation is where its running all of the Awake, Start and OnEnables in that scene

[ashen yoke]

any errors? scene added to build index?

[vestal crest]

no errors

maybe the way i think is wrong i dont know. i want to activate mainscene if additive scenes are done

but because of allowsceneactivation, isdone does not return true

even if i somehow manage to activate mainscene after all additive scenes are loaded. is it sure to gameobjects in these scenes will work at the same frame. lets say a gameobject in MainScene and a gameobject in UI. their awake will work at the time.framecount?

[ashen yoke]

where is the coroutine called from?

from a DDOL object?

is it actually looping?

[vestal crest]

nope a gameobject in loadingscreen

at start

[ashen yoke]

what is loadingscreen

[vestal crest]

even if i work with input.getkeydown it doesnt work their awake at the same frame

a scene that has a loading bar

and starts game by loading mainscene and needed additive scenes

i guess the problem is when you load scenes as i do. scenes wont init at the same frame right? i put a gameobject in both scene and call an awake that debugs time.framecount and the results are different

[quaint rock]

your main scene you are not loading addative

so the thing running this logic is getting unloaded whole the coroutine is running

thus it stalls since its not longer ticked along

[ashen yoke]

it should load in background

while the coroutine is running, the issue may be that single mode and additive mode must be piped

[quaint rock]

what ever started this coroutine you need to ensure it does not get unloaded with the main scene load

[thick terrace]

trying it myself and i'm seeing the same thing, the additive operation won't go past 0 until the main one is activated, so i guess additive operations don't load until the main scene transition is done?

[vestal crest]

it unloads when main scene is activated

[vestal crest]

yes probably

[quaint rock]

no but this function loads what you call the main scene, but htis function is a coroutine

[thick terrace]

you could maybe load an empty scene non-async, then load your main scene additively?

[quaint rock]

coroutines need a object to run on

your main scene load is not addative so the previous scene is getting unloaded stopping the coroutine from continuing

[thick terrace]

this still happens with don't destroy on load objects

[quaint rock]

am talking one of the issues with the previous code

but yes addative loading needs there to be one active scene already

generally i have a init scene that is the first to load, and never gets unloaded. it contains core stuff required by the whole game

[hybrid orchid]

So I have a question. I wanted to make a 2D management game where you build up your clan essentially you can have up to 30 clan members at once with reproduction, dying, and etc. So my question, would all of these be 30 separate game objects with all of their stats defined, saved, loaded, etc. and then just reused when one dies and another is born or is there a better way to do this?

[vestal crest]

chatgpt says its not possible to load scenes at the same frame. at least it says very complicated