#šŸ”Šā”ƒaudio

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kind aurora
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How should i go about muffling audio sources behind walls? Should i have all audio sources have their own audio filter component and a script that raycasts to the audiolistener to know when/how go muffle ? Is there a better way because that sounds very computationally expensive, and tiedeous
If i were to make it muffle per room, how would i get all the audiosources in a room and muffle them? I know theres things like sectr audio but i was curious if i could do at least something without having to buy that
Any help is appreciated

quasi hound
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A custom volume component could get AudioSources that enter it and apply audio filter components (or your audiosources could have a component that checks for volumes), but afaik middleware like Fmod and Wwise have tools for that kind of per-audio filtering

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For spatialized audio I'd look into something like Steam Audio

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Implementing audio occlusion feature by yourself is likely not worth the trouble, unless you need it to be very simple and small scale
Raycasting quickly gets expensive, and with audio it's challenging to avoid the occlusion happening too much or too little, and too abruptly or too slowly

zinc glade
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Hey! I'm a composer looking for a new project. Maybe I could help you with that enemy encounter music?

viscid kite
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I cant send direct messages to you for some reason

zinc glade
slender salmon
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Hi!
I have a problem with audio in unity
I have two levels(scene files) with separate audios - when I play either scene file the audio works fine - but when for example I switch from level 1 to level 2 during runtime, audio doesn't work anymore. I can't hear anything even though clip is being assigned to audio source and all functions are running correctly

there are no DDOL objects in my project atm, so nothing should be clashing between the scenes

what could I be missing?

verbal robin
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hi, I also have a problem with my audio in Unity

finite elk
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just ask your question then

finite elk
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if you want the audio to play throughout the scenes

slender salmon
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maybe its just that im not good at it but I didnt manage to get ddol to work well

slender salmon
finite elk
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i see, how are you playing the clips

slender salmon
slender salmon
finite elk
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make sure the audiolistener is not paused, this could be the reason why it wont play

verbal robin
slender salmon
finite elk
slender salmon
finite elk
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you are welcome

verbal robin
finite elk
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better use a code bin for that, code is way too long or post the code part of interest

verbal robin
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do you mean like this?

finite elk
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yes this is better

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so i can not see any audiosource on your gameobject

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you need to add the component first

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you should get a few errors and warning messages in the console though

verbal robin
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I added and do I have to configure anything?

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finite elk
verbal robin
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I don't know if it's important but I use Unity 6000.0.59f2

finite elk
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no its ok

verbal robin
finite elk
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i would use a seperate GameObject for the audioplayer and use a singleton

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but i think that is way too complicated for you to implement

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so for now use a new script it is just more organized

verbal robin
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Iā€™ve tried a couple of things, but nothing works. I donā€™t hear anything

finite elk
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just create a new script as your audio player, get the audiosource and use PlayOneShot as i posted

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you can grab the audiosource as you did in your other script

verbal robin
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I created a new script for the audio player with PlayOneShot, but I still canā€™t hear anything

finite elk
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show your code , did you change the other script too, you had some audio related code there

verbal robin
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I also updated the player controller and removed all the sound related parts

whole pewter
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codex/chatgpt/gemini/claude will code basic concepts like this for you, put your code into them
once you have solution from them you can consult here

verbal robin
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I tried again with Claude and he says my Unity is broken and I should reinstall it.
I had another project with sounds where everything worked 2 weeks ago. I tested it again now, and none of the sounds work anymore.
Could the audio settings in Project Settings be wrong?

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verbal robin
whole pewter
verbal robin
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I tried this and it didnā€™t work

whole pewter
verbal robin
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oh sorry, in the other project, where the audio worked two weeks ago, I used stereo

verbal robin
whole pewter
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^ but the claude is definitely not correct here...

pale timber
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@verbal robin you will want to make sure your sound is not just inaudible due to distance. To test, set the AudioSourceā€™s spatial blend to full 2D

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Nvm I see it is 2D

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Another thing to test is assign it to an AudioMixer and check if thereā€™s any activity in the meters. If there is and youā€™re not hearing it then yeah there is a general audio problem.

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If there is no activity in the meters then there is no signal

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Also just sanity check: make sure your camera Gameobject has an AudioListener component. It should have one by default, but just make sure ā€” because it is necessary

verbal robin
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my camera GameObject has an AudioListener and thereā€™s activity in the Audio Mixer, but I still donā€™t hear anything. I guess I have a general audio problem. do you know what it could be?

pale timber
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In the Game and Scene view panels itā€™s a little speaker icon. You want to make sure that it doesnā€™t show the icon with an x (indicating itā€™s muting the audio)

verbal robin
viral moon
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anyone here familiar with the Scriptable audio pipeline? documentation is very sparse on this.

right now I am stuck at how to create a GeneratorInstance from an AudioClip because its CreateInstance method throws NotImplementedException

pale timber
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NotImplementedException might indicate that while AudioClip implements the IAudioGenerator interface, it doesnā€™t have an actual definition to the CreateInstance function implementation, and to make the user aware they throw that exception.

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Curious what your goal is that youā€™re looking into generators

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Looking at documentation it shows that AudioClip does implement the interface, but they donā€™t have an entry for the CreateInstance method in the Public Methods table, and that could be why

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Yeah I just had a look at the AudioClip script in the engine ā€” the CreateInstance function definition just throws a NotImplementedException. So, that means that Unity doesnā€™t intend for you to call CreateInstance from an AudioClip

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Pretty confusing. Iā€™m guessing it needs the interface for other things, but it seems to have a smell that there should probably be an interface which separates out that function from the others, rather than just throwing exceptions

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odd tusk
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Yo how come the audio source is messed up for me? Like I put the spatial blend to 3d and made The max distance and min distance right, Like if I put the max distance far in the min distance close I still can't hear it but if I put it up to like 50 I can finally hear it

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odd tusk
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loud onyx
delicate terrace
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https://youtu.be/q6mKmjkTQyI I'm not a musician, so what I did for music for my level editor was to export a few set octaves for the various instruments in FL Studio as stems and play a weighted random one at set intervals via code. I tried to envoke some sort of "childhood creativity" feel with it and the randomization was deliberately done to avoid the music from getting annoying, but I dunno if that was enough.
Cool idea & good execution, good idea & bad execution or bad idea and I should scrap that system entirely?

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quasi hound
# delicate terrace https://youtu.be/q6mKmjkTQyI I'm not a musician, so what I did for music for my ...

Not too bad for being random, but not something you'd listen to for long either unless the instruments were really ambient and out of the way
If you want to build on it, and I think it has potential, learning some basic music theory is helpful
Giving it ways to construct melodies, rhythms or to utilize chords and repetition will go a long way
Spore could be a useful reference game as it has many different types of procedural music

delicate terrace
# quasi hound Not too bad for being random, but not something you'd listen to for long either ...

good to hear that I'm not a complete musical lost cause haha

Funny that you mention Spore since it is a major inspiration for the music and the game as a whole. I do agree that it could use a little bit more variety and I think learning some music theory could go a long way with that but idk how to squeeze that one in with my schedule, but I'll figure it out somehow.

Further feedback that I have received is that for it to envoke "childhood creativity", it should sound a little bit more joyful, and that I may have gone a little bit overboard with the reverb.

If I turn down the volume to like 25% of what it is right now, do you think that it'll suffice for now so the game isn't completely silent anymore? I mean, you can see that the game's still in pretty early stages, even if I think that the editor itself is fairly far along. Of course eventually I'll add to it and make it less repetitive or make a few other tracks and melody patterns that it could randomly select from

quasi hound
delicate terrace
quasi hound
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Either or both, but that's a matter of taste

delicate terrace
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aight I'll play around with it and see what works, thank you so much!

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pale timber
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I could test this myself but since I havenā€™t gotten around to trying the audio random container yet I thought Iā€™d just ask here. Does it allow for polyphony? As in, if the random container is assigned to an AudioSource and that AudioSource has its Play method called while a sound is currently playing, does the new sound play overlapping the current one? Or does it work just like with an AudioClip where the AudioSource is limited to a single voice?

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delicate rivet
pale timber
# delicate rivet Yep, in manual mode that is easy to do, each call to play is a new sound that ov...

Okay sweet thatā€™s good to know. I wonder if the polyphony is a result of introducing the AudioResource type. Having polyphony for a single emitter is a really nice feature in middleware over using native unity audio, so if AudioResource is what allows for that then itā€™d be cool to experiment with making a custom AudioResource type to see if I could expand on what theyā€™re already doing with AudioRandomContainer

brittle sinew
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hello, I have a player and an enemy, the enemy plays footstep sounds using a looped AudioSource, I'd like to dynamically change the AudioSource stereo pan based on where the enemy is compared to the player, if the enemy is on the right, the stereo should be one, if he's forward or backwards, 0, left -1 etc. I've already tried with 3D Spatial Blend, but it doesn't work, the sound provenance is too global(can't see where it comes from) and with distance, u can't really hear it well. I've also tried this approach to change the stereo in Update() but the logic seems to be wrong as the stereo calculation is false. Vector3 direction = target.position - listener.position; direction.y = 0f; float angle = Vector3.SignedAngle(listener.forward, direction, Vector3.up); float pan = Mathf.Clamp(angle / 90f, -1f, 1f); directionSourceTwo.panStereo = pan;

fleet iris
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Using custom rolloff its easy to make the sound remain the same volume but still pan left to right in 3d

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If we keep volume consistent then normal 3d panning does the job

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(sorry vat that was an incorrect ping)

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@brittle sinew

brittle sinew
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oh no nvm, the audio listener is on the camera

fleet iris
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What you hear is all based on the audio listener and that transform

brittle sinew
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it doesn't work as good as the 2d stereos though..

fleet iris
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It should be the same but what I did for 2d specifically did have more control. Perhaps spatial blend curve adjustment could help

brittle sinew
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tight sorrel
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my sound have a delay. how to fix it

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like, well...

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my file does not have a delay

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but it plays with delay when i use PlayOneShot

tight sorrel
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Guys? Can you hear me?

quasi hound
# tight sorrel Guys? Can you hear me?

Would be ironic if we could not!
It's hard to guess without any precise information
How did you confirm the file does not have a delay with certainty?
Is it imported as mp3? Sometimes those can have delays, skips and other issues

tight sorrel
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the problem is that the delay is horribly seen in UI. AND. I. WANT. TO. FIX. IT! how do other unity games avoid those delays!?

tight sorrel
quasi hound
tight sorrel
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@quasi hound ?

quasi hound
tight sorrel
quasi hound
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After importing, the inspector has a preview for the imported audio waveform

tight sorrel
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wth!?

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@quasi hound ?

quasi hound
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You may need to maximize it

tight sorrel
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Have you experienced the same issue too, @quasi hound ?

quasi hound
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Only with mp3 files iirc

quasi hound
tight sorrel
quasi hound
tight sorrel
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well, how can i fix the delay!?

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@quasi hound

quasi hound
tight sorrel
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@quasi hound ?

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@quasi hound ?

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im impatient i know

quasi hound
# tight sorrel im impatient i know

I can't fix it for you, I can only suggest what to test or try
There's no expected reason for there to be a delay
You said before it occurs with PlayOneShot, but but then does it occur with Play here? That may give a clue
And like mentioned before it might be a bug with the version, something to test as well

tight sorrel
quasi hound
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You can try with other sounds too, to try to isolate the issue to something

tight sorrel
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@quasi hound

quasi hound
tight sorrel
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ok

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sweet grove
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Is it possible to debug this? It's happening out of nowhere. Constant spikes

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surreal hamlet
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Looking for a dev with experience in audio to help me with a plugin I'm developing

sweet grove
orchid cove
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is it a good practice to
use audio source pool for sfx one shot
but dedicated audio sources for loop audio effects (like walking) and music/ambient

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pale timber
orchid cove
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Walking was an example.. Actually it is swimming, fish swimming

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No walking in my game

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But good to know.. I will keep this in mind

merry dust
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What is a good (linux supported) program / app that I can make music for for my school game project? It doesn't need to be all professional and stuff, I just need somthing simple and solid

pale timber
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Reaper has become the industry standard DAW for Sound Design. For music itā€™s a mixed bag. Some people use Reaper, others use Nuendo, Ableton, Protools, Cubase, etc.

merry dust
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thank you

inland cairn
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im following the unity essentials beginner guide, and in the audio part, where it makes you add ambient noise to a boiling pot, i cant hear anything, even though my set up is exactly the same as in the guide. What happened?

quasi hound
inland cairn
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is it not automatically enabled?

quasi hound
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Probably should be

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But clicking the button on accident is not impossible

inland cairn
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where do i find that button

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oh i see it

quasi hound
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Another cause can be a missing or misplaced Audio Listener, or a 3D spatial sound that's further away from the Audio Listener than expected

inland cairn
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okay i got it working šŸ˜­

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thank you šŸ™

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i had it muted

pale timber
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That button is both a blessing and a curse

magic minnow
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Hello !
So i've read about the Priority Parameter of the AudioSource but im not sure to understand something.

When an enemy take a damage, he play a damage sound. Because the player can shoot like 30 bullets a second, sometime the bullet's volume just stop the music.

If i want the music to have priority on the sound effect, do i have to make :
Music : 256
DamageSound : 1

I think that's the opposite of what the documentation tell, but after a lot of test neither seem to work...

Thanks !

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Because not gonna lie, it's kind of... Weird šŸ˜…

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dapper hull
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Hi ! I'm trying to play some Ambisonic files, i use Resonance, but whatever i'm doing, it doesnt seems to work.

i have and ResonanceField, and i'm sure my files are ambisonic

Also, it works in editor but when i'm trying to built it for Pico/Quest it doesnt work

whole pewter
dapper hull
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Yep i do have that !

but i didnt knew about the x86 architecture !

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whole pewter
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ah i skipped the 'works in the editor' part

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pale timber
magic minnow
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Also, how can i make so multiple sound do not overlap ?
Actually, the sound overlap instead of restarting the sound and deleting the previous one

pale timber
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Without more context or seeing the code, what I can say is that calling Play on an AudioSource with an AudioClip assigned will stop the current playing instance and play a new one, and if you change the AudioClip it will stop the current playing instance as well.

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But if youā€™re instead using a different AudioSource each time then thatā€™s where it will start leveraging the priority system (if max instances are reached)

signal wraith
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Hey, I was wondering if there's a way to change the output name of a unity app because it's really annoying that all the unity apps(including the editor) use the same fmod name.
It makes it impossible to lower the volume of one game without disrupting the workflow of working on other projects/playing other games and getting earraped constantly :/

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whole pewter
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fmod ex is old(er)/previous version of fmod so it could by unity i suppose
what os+ux is that - CDE on freebsd ? ) heh

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upper bronze
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how it works is you put it in a scene with all the audio you have/want and then when you want to call them you use that script instead of going into all the scripts that you have and adding "playoneshot" and stuff

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and its better in the long run because imagine you want to add a settings menu for the audio like
"Master"
"SFX"
"Music"

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making a sound manager helps you alot in the long run

bitter linden
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hey everyone i'm trying to add audio to my game but nothing is happening

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the only thing is left the audio in my game

eager phoenix
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You have muted sounds in the game pane

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bitter linden
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oh shit

tough cedar
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I didn't notice about that

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Ahahahah

bitter linden
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same here

tough cedar
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I didn't even know that you can mute the sounds

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Whoopsie

eager phoenix
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Also unless you have a script that starts the audio, you have to check the Play On Awake option

bitter linden
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i'm so sorry ..this is so not good ,,,, you know i'm trying to add music to game for three days nad this didnt occur to me ......not a proud moment TTšŸ˜¢

bitter linden
slender salmon
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reminds me, if you pause audio listener and then switch scenes - the pause will persist (in game mode at least)
I was trying to figre out why sound kept dying when I go to next level yet it works fine in the level I start playing in lol

sudden sedge
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Umm very new Fmod user here... I am trying to stop a music file from playing and its not working

public void GaanBondho(EventReference musicFile)

{
   bkgmusicInstance =  CreateInstance(musicFile);
bkgmusicInstance.stop(FMOD.Studio.STOP_MODE.IMMEDIATE);

}

I am calling it like this:

AudioManager.instance.GaanBondho(AllAudioEvents.instance.menuMoosic);
pale timber
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It might matterā€¦ I see:

  1. Create instance
  2. Donā€™t play instance
  3. Stop instance
  4. Donā€™t release instance
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You might need to play it before you can stop it

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And if you donā€™t release it your instance will stick around in memory

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Even if you donā€™t have an active ref to it anymore

pale timber
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Also since you donā€™t have a Play call here on the instance that implies that if youā€™re hearing music itā€™s coming from somewhere else

sudden sedge
# pale timber Donā€™t think it should matter but why are you creating the instance and immediate...

thanks that fixed it:

#region Suru Gaan
        public void SuruKoroGaan(EventReference musicFileRef)
        {
            bkgMusicInstance = CreateInstance(musicFileRef);
            bkgMusicInstance.start();

        }
        #endregion

        #region  Gaan Shesh
        public void GaanBondho() //(EventReference musicFile)
        {
            //bkgMusicInstance = CreateInstance(musicFile);
            Debug.Log("Stopping Music");

            bkgMusicInstance.stop(FMOD.Studio.STOP_MODE.IMMEDIATE);
            bkgMusicInstance.release();
        }
        #endregion
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doing this kinda was stopping all tracks with in the BgMusic Instance even when it was supposed to play a different one, but I essentially hacked it by adding a buffer between the two

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since the Stop method now is essentially stopping all bgktracks I cannot use it for any other music instances

pale timber
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Iā€™m not sure I quite understand what youā€™re saying but it sounds odd. Do you have instance limiting in FMOD?

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If thereā€™s no instance limiting then it would not cause all instances to stop to call a stop on a single instance

sudden sedge
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and I was trying to find a way to pick specific tracks from the instance in a modular way so that none of the other tracks are affected

pale timber
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How is it set up in FMOD? Are all the ā€œtracksā€ part of the same event?

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If so why not just keep the instance alive and use parameters to change which track is playing?

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I noticed one other problem. Youā€™re setting the instance to a newly created one without first dealing with the existing one. You probably should first check .IsValid() on the cached instance and stop+release that one if it is valid before caching the new one. Otherwise youā€™ll have a leak similar to how I mentioned before about not releasing.

sudden sedge
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pale timber
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Okay well I think what you should do is check the existing instance and then call stop with allow fade-out and release that instance, then create, cache and start the new one.

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You can set a parameter on the instance after itā€™s created

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Or if itā€™s a global parameter then you can just use the built-in FMOD component to set the parameter

sudden sedge
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Because I am having a bit of trouble figuring out how to work with FMOD parameters

pale timber
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Self-plug and wonā€™t solve your current issues, but I have a package for the Unity Asset store that I will be releasing very soon which uses a ScriptableObject-based workflow for FMOD to simplify a lot of this stuff, but it will be paid (I spent a lot of time writing a lot of code)

sudden sedge
quasi hound
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How would I get the spectrum data from a microphone at runtime in real time? To visually react to different frequency input
Method 1 uses GetData on the clip which does work for the loudness part, but can that be converted into a spectrum?
GetSpectrumData requires an AudioSource or an AudioListener that's playing

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From what I can tell that's not supposed to be a problem, example at Microphone.Start creates a clip from active microphone and plays it, which means the mic audio can be heard and processed
Here and here others were doing exactly what I was and they keep pointing that audiosource loop must be true as "the" issue that breaks it
My experience is that if I Play the audiosource while the microphone has been started, the audio is extremely glitchy and laggy, and once it reaches the specified loop time it starts replaying the microphone audio from before and randomly snapping back to recording instead of replaying, and back again

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Tried in 6.3. and 2021.3. with same results, and changing audio mixer settings or having none at all didn't make a difference
Next option would be to try other recording devices later but some reassurance that this is expected to be possible or the right method would be nice

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Tl;dr audiosource glitches out when it's trying to play a clip while the mic is recording to that clip
Ending recording allows it to play just fine

elfin pond
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Does anyone know why there is like a very short crackling at the end in unity, even tho I cant hear it in the audio file itself?

pale timber
meager storm
# elfin pond Does anyone know why there is like a very short crackling at the end in unity, e...

Here are some issue with this file ..

  • it's 32bit and Unity will truncate to 16bit
  • the sound is short but has almost 1 second of silence included in the file
  • there is too much "side" information , a stereo file with this much content out of phase can cause problems
  • The sound needs a very short fade in , so it starts on a zero crossing

I suggesting experimenting with the import settings , also use the profiler "audio" tab to display useful info about a sound while it's playing

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tardy thicket
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I've got issues getting Wwise states to play in Unity.

  • I've got an event for that state which is in the soundbank, which has been generated and is accessible through Unity.
  • I've attached the AkState script to the desired object
    No error messages come up in the console and Wwise is connected, so I think I need to change my approach. Can anyone offer advice on this?
pale timber
# tardy thicket I've got issues getting Wwise states to play in Unity. - I've got an event for ...

I donā€™t use this component but I have an idea of what itā€™s supposed to do. Which Unity event do you have set on it? Have you confirmed that that runs regardless of Wwise? E.g if itā€™s set to OnTriggerEnter print a log in some other script attached to the same object in OnTriggerEnter. The answer SHOULD be ā€œnoā€ because that script should run alongside those key Unity callback functions. So the most likely answer is that that function is not running.

tardy thicket
# pale timber I donā€™t use this component but I have an idea of what itā€™s supposed to do. Which...

Yeah it comes back with a null value when I declare AkState in the trigger script (Debug.Log in OnTriggerEnter as well). I followed some Youtube tutorials about using Wwise states in Unity as closely as I could but I don't know if I (or they) glossed over something. If it helps, this is for a dialogue flag where the music is supposed to change according to the flag. I've referenced AkState SynthState in the Dialogue Trigger script, but I don't know if that's the correct way to go about it.

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pale timber
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Declaring a variable without the = operator means declaring it with the default value, which for an object is null.

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How about you add [SerializeField] in front of the AkState field declaration

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That way you can assign it in the Inspector.

tardy thicket
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Yeah will do

tardy thicket
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Do let me know if you want to have a closer look at something specific

pale timber
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Actually no lol

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ā€œOther objectā€ is vague about what exactly it does. Does it have a hover tooltip or can you open the AkTrigger script and see what itā€™s doing with that field?

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Also can you explain what behavior you want to happen? E.g. ā€œplayer overlaps with trigger on DialogueTrigger GameObject and Wwise changes stateā€

tardy thicket
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I've also verified the states are working properly in Wwise (I think, I'm doubting myself heavily rn cause I think something very stupid and trivial may have been glossed over)

pale timber
tardy thicket
tardy thicket
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I have to go out so I'll get back to you on whether this works later tonight

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But yeah nothing plays for the default none state

pale timber
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Okay then when you get back to it I also have to ask for sanity if youā€™re actually posting the music event somewhere

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Because itā€™s also possible youā€™re setting state but thereā€™s no music event posted

tardy thicket
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I've got a Wwise event which references this state, which is also in the soundbank

pale timber
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Yes but in Unity you need to post the event ā€” i.e. play it

tardy thicket
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Yeah I've tried going the AkEvent route but it also didn't work, based on tutorials I was looking at it didn't seem necessary so it was more experimental than anything

pale timber
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You need an active instance of the music AkEvent for the state to do anything, and for the music to play

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You donā€™t need to reference the event to set the state, but if thereā€™s nothing playing that uses that state you wonā€™t hear any difference

tardy thicket
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Right okay, is there a particular object it needs to be attached to in order for this all to work properly? I.e. would it overrwrite anything if I were to attach both the state and the event to the same object?

pale timber
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Not for state. They can be on two different things. State is global in Wwise

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But you just need something to start the music event

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  1. Load soundbank
  2. Post event
  3. Set state
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You can change the order of ā€œpost eventā€ and ā€œset stateā€, but you MUST post event to hear anything

tardy thicket
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Gotcha, thank you! I'll attempt this later

tardy thicket
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Just need to tweak a few things to get it working properly bc it plays both tracks in the none state

sand oxide
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Hey all, I got a question about unity's tracker module support if anyone knows
is it actually playing in real time? or is it converted to a stream like how libopenmpt handles it?

It seems to handle jump events fine, so either it's real time and that's how that works(so the behaviour is 1:1 to ft2 or whatever), or it's using some loop point system that is not present with regular audio streams(if it's the latter, then that's even more confusing, why have loop points present with a format that's historically not even streamed, but not one with streamed formats like most other engines?)
Attatched a video of what I mean

Curiously, the documentation didn't really explain this, it worded it in a way that might suggest it's playing in real time, but at the same time most tracker module players(at least that I've used) don't and opt to preconvert it to a stream to not waste cpu time, unless it's a homebrew library for a console where that is not viable in the first place like the Game Boy Advance or Nintendo DS

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it is listing as vorbis in the inspector, which does make me believe it's pre-rendering it

paper summit
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how do i stop unity from adding a silence gap to my uploaded audio files? There's no visible gap in audacity, my audio tool, but in unity it seems to add a gap?

sand oxide
# paper summit how do i stop unity from adding a silence gap to my uploaded audio files? There'...

What format are you using?
I can think of 2 reasons why that would be happening

  1. You're using vorbis(ogg) or flac without preloading(usually doesn't cause issues, but can add a gap in my experience)
    or 2. You're using mp3 which by default has a small gap at the beginning and the end, which some programs remove on import because it causes issues with looping

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by unity adding a gap

paper summit
sand oxide
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preloading audio is just a little checkmark in the inspector
is your compression format(also in the inspector) set to vorbis? cuase that's effectively the same as using vorbis in an ogg container
try either clicking the preload audio data checkmark, or changing the compression format to pcm and let me know if that fixes the issue

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pale timber
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Vorbis should handle seamless looping no problem. If it doesnā€™t then itā€™s probably an issue with the file.

sand oxide
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yeah it should, but I've had projects where it didn't till I enabled preloading

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granted I was on a.. relaly crappy machine that could barely run the engine at the time

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so it's possible that that was just my cpu struggling to decode it in real time

meager storm
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@paper summit Unity doesn't add a gap. Try to import your .wav and set the import setting to PCM and load into memory.

paper summit
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So my thing is, it might be a visual thing not matching up. Because I used another wav audio file afterwards that didn't have a gap for another thing, and it had perfect timing. I replaced the other wav file i had earlier with this different one just out of curiosity, and it was still off the same amount. It's supposed to play a sound every time this boomerang hits a wall, and both of the wav files (even the one that didn't have a gap) didn't work

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So it might just be that the detection of the boomerang hitting the wall might be a bit off or smthg but idk

whole pewter
whole pewter
quasi hound
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sand oxide
whole pewter
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.. depends what you consider 'native' - it's part of the engine from that standpoint it's unity ] it's just a coincidence we know this heh

sand oxide
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hmm.. so that begs the question of why do they not take the loop point support from fmod's standard stream player and add it to the base engine? obviously it works well enough here with tracker modules. or heck, add support to the existing audio source component, which only takes a few lines
it still baffles me that they don't have a feature as basic enough as loop points in the engine already, requiring the programmer to add it in themselves manually with scripting

I don't expect an answer to the by the way but it is something I'm wondering
I've made my own system that just converts the audio source's sample count and converts it to seconds/miliseconds, then moves the time to what the user sets as a loop point using the amount of samples on a given frame(to not overshoot) that I've been reusing for a bit, and probably could optimize more and put it up in the asset store

do people just not care enough for that feature for it to be an official thing? I know a lot of people just.. end up integrating full fmod anyway, but for a lot of projects that don't plan to use dynamic audio at all it's kind of a waste imo

idle pebble
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I know they were refactoring a lot of the audio backend lately to allow for more customization

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And they added the Audio Random Container in 6.0 so I am guessing once they are done with refactoring they are going to start adding more audio tools

sand oxide
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oh neat

tardy thicket
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Found out that my music tracks don't loop. The loop count is set to infinite in each music playlist container in Wwise, which afaik is the only thing I need to do. Am I missing something really glaringly obvious? It feels like this should be a simple checkbox

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AkEvent doesn't seem to have an intrinsic loop button which is a bit annoying ngl

tardy thicket
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Here's a screenshot for the sake of my own sanity. The UI is ever so slightly different than the tutorials I've been watching bc it's a different version but it should have the same functionality....right?

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pale timber
tardy thicket
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I've seen that advice around tbh

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Could be

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I've gone into the property editor for the music segment and looping doesn't even seem to be an option

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...It's a function for SFX but not interactive music tracks.

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If I may be candid

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I'm awestruck at how stupid that is

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What is even the point šŸ˜­ you're more likely to have looping music tracks than looping SFX

pale timber
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lol. Yeah it takes a little getting used to. Thereā€™s different workflows with the music vs sounds, thatā€™s why theyā€™re separated in the hierarchy. I think actually your problem is you just need to drag the segment into the playlist in your screenshot above

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Err you need to drag the sequence there

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Semantics

tardy thicket
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Ah yes, makes sense

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Just did that, fingers crossed

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Out of curiosity tho, what game audio software do you normally use? Cause ngl I'm not a fan of Wwise

pale timber
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At work we use Wwise on the vast majority of our projects. At home I usually use FMOD, which I started to do because it supported WebGL while Wwise didnā€™t because Wwise expects to be able to have a dedicated audio thread which you donā€™t get in a web browser

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They have experimental WebGL support for Wwise now though

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I like both. They each have different strengths. IMO Wwise is better suited for larger projects, FMOD for smaller

tardy thicket
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Ah yeah, I've heard Wwise is the industry standard

pale timber
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It is for AAA

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FMOD or native engine audio is more common with indies

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I use native sometimes for small projects, but using a middleware is such a huge QOL improvement

tardy thicket
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Yeah for sure, Unity's built-in audio is a steeper learning curve in my experience

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My biggest issue with Wwise so far has been UI navigation

pale timber
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Yeah a lot of people get discouraged with it. Itā€™s got a learning curve but once you get it itā€™s extremely powerful. You can do quite a lot without the need for much code.

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A lot of people prefer FMOD simply because of the difference in the UI/UX design. FMOD looks a lot more like a DAW, so in many ways itā€™s more intuitive to start out.

tardy thicket
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Good to know, will keep that in mind

tardy thicket
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Closing and restarting to see if that fixes anything

pale timber
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Itā€™s worth going through all their courses. They have little quizzes to help you check that youā€™ve absorbed the info. The paid portion is just if you want the digital certificate, which you donā€™t need to do to use the learning materials

tardy thicket
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Gotcha, will try that

meager storm
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@tardy thicket Wwise is complex so the tutorials and learning resources are pretty much mandatory or you get stuck on basic details like the one youā€™re struggling with

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I havenā€™t used it in about 3 years and off the top of my head making g a simple music loop seemed overly complex

tardy thicket
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Hopefully the resources cover it

tardy thicket
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Okay, the track loops in Wwise, the event loops in Wwise, and it even loops when i double click the event in the Unity Wwise picker. But despite all that, AkEvent looks at it and says "nah"

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Methinks this is a Unity problem now but idk

meager storm
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Thereā€™s an active Wwise discord server

tardy thicket
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I've seen invites on the forum but they're all expired

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That's the issue solved anyway, but if you have an active invite I'll still take it

topaz patrol
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Hey y'all, working on my game and trying to add some ambient background sounds. It's trimmed to loop perfectly (in audacity / ableton / etc.) but has ~ a .5 second gap in Unity. Most of the Q&A's I look up for that are like 5-11 years old.

Is there a good way to have true gapless audio in Unity 6? Scripting, Aud source settings? TIA

quasi hound
delicate terrace
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So I'm trying to make randomized background music for my game (similar to how SPORE does for example) and I got various pre-select instrument stems in specific notes that I'm playing at specific intervals. However, for some reason, some notes get cut out. Now I'm beginning to think that I'm hitting some sort of sound buffer in Unity and I don't really feel like increasing that and causing more strain on the CPU for something so ultimately unimportant like the background music.
Does anyone have any experience with that sort of system or has tips on what the best way to implement that would be? I'd appreciate any help I can get!

pale timber
delicate terrace
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The dropouts look like unity voice culling or one-shot arbitration, but idk

pale timber
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Maybe try marking all the audio assets for preload?

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Just guessing. I donā€™t have any sure answer.

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Presumably youā€™d want them always in memory anyway if itā€™s constant background music

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Another thought is if youā€™re spawning and destroying audiosources then see if it might be GC-related.

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If youā€™re not pooling

upbeat turret
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has anyone made a Unity plugin with JUCE? I've built to a .bundle, imported the .bundle into a Unity project, and can't see how to use it and can't see any info online. I know I need a C# script to load the plugin - there is meant to be one ready in the .bundle but I don't know how to access it. does anyone have any pointers on how to get started?

whole pewter
meager storm
delicate terrace
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I think I'll have to scrap that approach then. It'll either sound flat or I'll have to use basically all voices that I'd rather use for other things that may need it more.

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Thank you!

low hedge
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Hi, anyone recommend any online courses for CRI ADX? I'm developing a rhythm game and now want to incorporate Middleware.

sonic panther
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alright so im making like a casset player and im trying to make it so when i press the button with my contact reciver it plays the audio clip but rn it just plays the moment my object is turned on

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my transitions and layers are right along with my parameters cause it works when i press it but it still plays when the object spawns

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it was play on awake

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im dumb

primal lion
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Hello all, may I humbly ask where is a good place to get sound effects for my game? I am quite new to this. I need a footstep sound and a wind sound currently. I'm sure this is asked all the time and do apologize for the naivety

eager phoenix
willow lion
sand oxide
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this is where I typically get my sound effects before designing them myself for the final game

robust sable
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what should i use to create sound effects and musics for my games?

pale timber
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You can do music with Reaper as well (I did for years), but there are other DAWs more commonly used for music: Ableton, Cakewalk, ProTools, etc

robust sable
sand oxide
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I mean, all daws will be confusing at first

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you just gotta use it enough till you understand it

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cakewalk sonar(or what it was called when I started with it way back in like 2016 ish, cakewalk by bandlab) is actually one of the more easy and straightforward daws to use

covert sand
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Any SFX people here know where the gaming sound effect people usually hang out these days? A forum/discord/etc?

silent briar
novel forge
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quick question, just don't want anybody to think it's cheap or just generally bad, but do you think it'd be okay to use AI for a voice that I actually want to sound like AI, like a computer that speaks? Like ElevenLabs or something. Or should I just find a way to pay a VA to do it? It'd be possible, but not easy with my budget.

steel plinth
# novel forge quick question, just don't want anybody to think it's cheap or just generally ba...

"Yeah, using AI for a computer-like voice can be pretty cool actually. ElevenLabs is a solid choice if you're looking for that kind of sound. As for budget, I think it's worth investing in getting a professional VA to do the job right, but if you really want to go the AI route and have some extra time on your hands, there are free options like Google WaveNet or Amazon Polly that could work too. Just make sure the quality is up to par and doesn't sound too robotic or off

novel forge
whole pewter
novel forge
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Used ElevenLabs and a voice changer to make my HALO's voice. Turned out well, I think actually, since I want it to sound like an AI. (just the dialogue, no sfx put in the file.)

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quasi hound
# novel forge quick question, just don't want anybody to think it's cheap or just generally ba...

AI gen voices sound pretty distinctly AI generated whether they sound "robotic" or not, so I don't think the effect would be what you hope for
Audio like all art in your game is a performance with the point of immersing the player in the world by communicating information and emotion
That is always harder to do with AI gen tools when they take away most of your creative control, and really unpleasant modern day thing to be reminded of as a player who's trying to be immersed
What people expect AI and robot speech to sound like is mostly based on tropes that don't much relate to the real world, so if the goal is making the voice interesting, there's no advantage in adhering to realism (unless the voice is meant for a contemporary LLM AI)
Categorically there are speech synthesizers like the linked Klattersynth, or actors with vocoders and other effects on top
A performance like SHODAN or Glados couldn't have been achieved without a real human voice

sand oxide
# novel forge quick question, just don't want anybody to think it's cheap or just generally ba...

I'd say probably not, but mostly because it's not really going to get the sound you want
my recommendation: go onto hobby forums like r/INAT on reddit, there's usually people who will be willing to do voice work for free for portfolio purposes, and go from there.
Most of the robotic-ness that you'd want to add can be done with post processing effects inside a DAW pretty easily
Vocal transformers, pitch shifters, and bitcrushers all together will do the trick(heck I'd be willing to help with that part, as well as mixing the voice work with the rest of the audio if you want), that's very similar to how higher production games handle robot/AI voices

there's also stuff like plogue's Alter/Ego https://www.plogue.com/products/alter-ego.html
technically it's meant for singing, but it can be good for speech synthesis too, I've played around with it from time to time

it's probably not going to be exactly the sound you're looking for, but it'd be a good thing to use as a placeholder till then. it does require a daw though, so you'd have to learn new software(I can recommend cakewalk sonar, it's one of the easiest to learn on windows, or garageband if you're on mac)

novel forge
pale timber
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If you donā€™t care too much about the performance itself and you want it to be obvious to listeners that the speaker is a robot, then using text-to-speech or AI-generated speech passed through an effects chain is probably the way to go tbh. If people got upset at you using robot-voice generation to represent robot voices then IMO thatā€™s their problem.

green roost
bleak heart
proper salmon
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hullo audio friends!

balmy tapir
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what are people using for middle ware? anything? MasterAudio?

proper salmon
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Wwise mostly

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I also like the Google Resonance tools

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Part of my workflow is also often playing with stuff in Wwise, and then once I figured out the system design, I get it coded in Unity

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What about you?

balmy tapir
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Interesting - i'm on the mobile side of things over here

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which means everything comes in at mono and 22k šŸ˜„

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but have been using MasterAudio for a few years with relative success

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Does some fairly basic stuff our audio geeks need - namely basic mixing, ducking, voice limits and variation management

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Downsides

  • Generates quite a bit of GC (as all popular unity frameworks do)
  • Doesn't support ABs out of the box, have to teach it
  • Does significantly better with 2D audio
proper salmon
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Yeah, apart from variation management, that mixing stuff is built in to unity already :S

green roost
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Sorry for the question, but what are ABs?

balmy tapir
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Yeah, I've been told i should stop using it and just use more Unity native stuff

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Asset Bundles

proper salmon
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Bloody sucks that variation management isn't. It is in UE4. Just on the normal audiosource settings

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I did use Wwise on a mobile VR game. Unfortunately mobile VR all the resources go to the visuals, so like.. I couldn't do much cool stuff anyway.

balmy tapir
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Nice - yeah that seems like an extraordinarily tough platform

proper salmon
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Yeah.. Like, I think I really want it to be a huge awesome success, 'cause it's so accessible

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but also, I hate working on it LOL

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360 videos is still super painful for audio dev :/
Though Unity makes it easier, if you're used to games

balmy tapir
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We did quite a bit of VR development at my current company around 2016-2017 when the first consumer kits were hitting the market. 20 developers and 20 trash cans for the vomit

green roost
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Oh, have only worked on very small projects, so never used Asset Bundles, thanks Jason.

balmy tapir
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No prob - they wind up being fairly mandatory for mobile if you want to stay under the download limit of 150mb šŸ˜ƒ

green roost
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I see. Only worked on a mobile jam once with fmod. The file size was obviously smaller : )

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I picked up fmod in september and have been crunching through jams and small projects. Can write most of the audio code nowadays šŸ˜ƒ

proper salmon
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nice! Yeah Unity has basically wrapped FMOD in it, too

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though, a really out of date version..

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I wonder if we can request Unity staff on here. Would be good to get the audio peep

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šŸ˜… I know the unity audio community would really liek someone to talk to hahaha

silk obsidian
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Refrain from using Discord's mention command to notify Unity Staff/Admins. They are here to help you when they can, but we encourage the community supports each other.

balmy tapir
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Knowing that someone on Unity's Audio team is reading or engaging here would be nice though

proper salmon
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I don't mean @mention them. I mean, if they're not on the discord, request they join lol

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'cause I'm pretty sure there's only one audio dev at Unity, and they're not a member of the discord heh

hasty cloak
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I've tried Steam Audio and Resonance, I think I like Resonance better, it sounds more 'spatial'

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also Steam Audio has a bug with room reverberation they dont' seem keen on fixing

proper salmon
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Putting it out there: if anyone using the new audio stuffs, hmu. Would love to collab with someone to learn how to use them šŸ˜ƒ

whole pewter
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define _ the new audio stuffs_ , esp. since you wrote 'using' @proper salmon

proper salmon
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Oh, well hopes to use!

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DSP and ECS tools

whole pewter
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ok so I have no idea when new DSPGraph is out though
I will have to work with it because of support of my asset ( and it's not going to be pretty because of backward compatibility, don't know how it will pan out yet )

proper salmon
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THe graph is already in the alpha release. But not the node editing

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at least I don't think the node editing is in there. I haven't upgraded for a couple months

whole pewter
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you mean I can write IAudioJob in 2019.1 alpha ? that goes faster than anticipated !

proper salmon
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Yeah, I THINK everything that was in the megacity is in the latest alpha, maybe even improvements

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At a Unity meet where ECS stuff was being demo'd we found the graph šŸ˜„

whole pewter
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can't wait for megacity, but that everything is in alpha already I'm only hoping šŸ˜ƒ

surreal nebula
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Is there a way to reset the DSP time in Unity? Or is completely locked behind a property?

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I know that doubles have really nice precision, but I'm mad when I loose even a single ms of precision

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and sorry for hopping around the channels with this questions

whole pewter
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AFAIK no - its' independent clock

surreal nebula
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Well, that's a complete bummer

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Maybe AudioSettings.Reset does something with it? I'll check it out tomorrow

whole pewter
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no, it doesn.t afaik šŸ˜ƒ

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they might rotate it internally but I've never hit that limit tbh

flat mulch
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Have you actually tested that you are losing precision?

zealous wagon
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hi stroggan

flat mulch
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@zealous wagon Hey šŸ˜€

zealous wagon
proper salmon
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aww yay, I helped edit that. I'll give Zander a link to here šŸ˜ƒ

zealous wagon
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and give him a firm pat on the bum from me for the good write up.

proper salmon
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Consensual butt pats only!
hehe, he's still 1600km from me šŸ˜…

green roost
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Has anyone designed and implemented a car or space ship engine in FMOD before? I'm taking inspiration from LoĆÆc Couthier work on Wipeout Omega (watch?v=LNZ1NH9TAWc) and it works pretty well.
I don't know how to solve a problem in which the engine jumps awkwardly to a low speed/rpm section when colliding with something. Using a slow seek speed of the speed/rpm parameter actually solves this, but introduces a slow deceleration. Not sure what to do yet.
Beside of that, do you have general tips on car engines design & implementation? : )

proper salmon
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Hey, I'm primarily in Wwise now, but started off in FMOD. My guidance would be to use a combination of that vertical variation between tracks, and implementing a state system.

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That way you can have a switch that turns on when the car is forcably stopped, that triggers a crash sound dependant on surfaces.

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You can also switch to idle, which you may not want in the speed related engine sound

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you could switch to "through air" so that the engine sound changes, perhaps that's an effect or something

misty flicker
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@green roost car engine and antigravity racer would approach that very differently

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but I can tell that in car engines you get different "unloaded" sound on deceleration, you don't just pitch up and down the same sample as on acceleration

proper salmon
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I was watching gameplay of Lara Croft (i think) and in the car, they seemed to have implemented something that measured the horizontal angle of the car, too. Which changed the engine sound a bit (mostly panning I think) but also was able to detect some cool collisions on either side of the car and play sounds for those

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no you don't, you fade between tracks

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is the simplest most common way of doing it šŸ¤·

misty flicker
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I also don't quite get what the actual issue here is

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would be easier if saw some video clip etc

proper salmon
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it's also cool when you notice that the engine sounds different depending on where in the car you're sitting šŸ˜„

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Yeah.. @green roost should have the car stops when it actually stops, not just slow down. ANd disguise the sound with a crash hehe

misty flicker
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many racing games nowadays also use synthesized sounds for the engine, using tools that capture the harmonics from the real deal and then try to replicate it procedurally

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but those tools are pretty pricy

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probably mainly because they take time to develop + it's such niche thing you only have few customers

proper salmon
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yeah.. It's also a reason to switch from FMOD to Wwise, because Wwise always ends up intergrating those tools

misty flicker
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can't really sell quantity on those

proper salmon
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I have such loyalty to FMOD 'cause they're made in Melbourne like me! heh. But they just don't have the opportunity to be as powerful especially with new tools, that Wwise has

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Like, when you see that Blizzard and Bethesda use wwise, you get why FMOD is lagging so much

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But the exodus already happened a fair few years ago..

misty flicker
ebon urchin
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i have a bunch of buttons with an AudioSource component that i play on click. is this an acceptable way to do button sfx?

proper salmon
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The audio manager would help to make variation in the clicks and things, so that it sounds less clunky.

normal isle
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this branding is so good

summer light
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i did something wrong

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i almost went def (not really but it was extremely loud)

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i made my audio way too loud and I had headphones on...

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(be careful when you watch the video, you might want to turn your volume down)

calm pivot
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Volume in games is hard because everything has different volumes in media. Songs also gradually increase their volume throughout their time. see (the volume war)

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So you never know if your player will have adjusted to fit most music or games

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for some reason there is severall games where you have to put volume to 1% to not blow out the speakers

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šŸ‘€

proper salmon
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Ack yeah the mastering on some pop songs is really intense. Like how adverts are loud on tv.

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But in games, I haven't experienced it so much. I guess because the different kinds of audio need to be so balanced, as they're often connected directly to gameplay, so are useless if you don't hear it clearly.

summer light
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Iā€™ve got to admit every sound Iā€™ve made for my games is just me screaming into a mic then editing it

calm pivot
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sounds about right

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my fans are loud so I usually go with them as sounds and just edit them to insantiy LUL

summer light
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for screaming into my mic

inland rose
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Have any musicians or sound designers here took any of the classes on the school of video game audio?
https://school.videogameaudio.com/apply/

Just want to know if it's worthwhile, because I want something structured to help me learn wwise

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I already know fmod, but want to expand my knowledge

proper salmon
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I looked at it when crafting a course for a university down here in Aus. Looking at it, it felt like the Wwise courses do basically the same thing.

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I reckon if they do a just Unity audio course, that could be good. Because there are definitely less resources around for learning how to in engine audio

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I totally get you wanting the structure, though. And that school is often on my radar for short courses that are structured like school.

inland rose
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Yeah, mainly because I currently do not have a project I'm working on that uses wwise

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I got into fmod because I had to, my current project needed it, and there was more "how do I do this" which was followed by "okay, now how do i do that," and those in turn helped me understood fmod

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more jobs now require wwise, and essentially making a demo project that has wwise integrated doesn't do much for me unless there's a class like pipeline i can follow

proper salmon
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I love Berak's videos on youtube for that. SHe works in Unity the whole time, which is really fun. I find it a bit more satisfying than wwise 101 which stays just in Wwise for most of it.

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There's also a viking village series which starts of with unity implementation, and then works in parallel with Wwise techniques, like Berrak. But that one is a bit out of date.

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both playlists are really good

misty flicker
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wonder if wwise will stay around for long now that sony bought it

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Audiokinetic will continue to operate independently, licensing its multi-platform audio tools and middleware to developers in established and growth markets.

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so I guess at least on the short term, nothing will change

proper salmon
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Yes the people who I've talked to see nothing changing. Sony has done great r&d in the past, so I think there's a good chance if things going okay

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Plus when blizzard and Bethesda work with wwise across many platforms... Why give up that money

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The wwise person on one of our projects is currently bugging us about Nintendo, so I take that as a good sign haha

dusty night
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Unity's ECS based audio is quite a game changer.

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It'll happily sit on a lower level audio library and work on data before the audio library gets it so its less important what audio library you're using

proper salmon
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I'm looking forward to the node editing for audio stuffs!!

sage turret
#

Hey folks!

Anyone know of any cross-platform plugins I can use to get MP3 to load in at runtime?
It seems that there still isn't any official support for it.

whole pewter
#

@sage turret yea it's little sad since mp3 decoder is patent free for some time / but unity is using rather old version of fmod which had to obey all the then rules /

#

I know of a plugins but its mine so I don't want to plug here much ) pm me for link / demo build

proper salmon
#

Anyone here using Wwise and also Unity Cloud builds? I'm hoping it works!

stuck frost
proper salmon
#

at about 22secs I was expecting a change of pace, like a small pause? It feels like it's kind of the same thing all the way through. Will it have any sound design, like an atmos track? At the end, I was kind of wanting for some kind of wind or hay bale sound hehe

summer light
#

what is a way to create alien creature sounds...?

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i could do it probably but i need a general idea of what to start out with

#

well i found a way... screaming into a mic and editing it
works every time

quartz ivy
#

Funny things, creators of audio in... dead space? (I think it was dead space) made whole video about sound design using some creepy alien creature as example

proper salmon
#

there's lots of tutorials on youtube for that sort of thing, Lee

chilly canyon
#

How can I turn an AudioClip to an FMOD Asset without any access to the editor?

#

I currently have the following script:

# 
private static RESULT PlayAudioClip(AudioClip audioclip, out Sound sound, out Channel channel)
{
    float[] samples = new float[audioclip.samples * audioclip.channels];
    audioclip.GetData(samples, 0);

    FMOD.System lowlevel = RuntimeManager.LowlevelSystem;

    uint lenbytes = (uint)(audioclip.samples * audioclip.channels * sizeof(float));

    CREATESOUNDEXINFO soundinfo = new CREATESOUNDEXINFO
    {
        length = lenbytes,
        format = SOUND_FORMAT.PCMFLOAT,
        defaultfrequency = audioclip.frequency,
        numchannels = audioclip.channels
    };

    lowlevel.createSound("", MODE.OPENUSER, ref soundinfo, out sound);

    sound.@lock(0, lenbytes, out IntPtr ptr1, out IntPtr ptr2, out uint len1, out uint len2);
    Marshal.Copy(samples, 0, ptr1, (int)(len1 / sizeof(float)));
    if (len2 > 0)
    {
        Marshal.Copy(samples, (int)(len1 / sizeof(float)), ptr2, (int)(len2 / sizeof(float)));
    }
    sound.unlock(ptr1, ptr2, len1, len2);

    sound.setMode(MODE.LOOP_NORMAL);

    return lowlevel.playSound(sound, null, false, out channel);
}```
#

(I found this somewhere online and modified it)

#

For my audio clips, it returns RESULT.OK, but the audio isn't played

#

(Even if other fmod audios are playing in the background)

whole pewter
#

@chilly canyon you need to set size of the CREATESOUNDINFO struct after creating it:
soundinfo.cbsize = Marshal.SizeOf(soundinfo);
then it played for me

#

and I played it on master channelgroup ( null param is not allowed )

# 
    void Start()
    {
        FMOD.RESULT result = FMOD.RESULT.OK;

        float[] samples = new float[audioclip.samples * audioclip.channels];
        audioclip.GetData(samples, 0);

        // FMOD.System lowlevel = RuntimeManager.LowlevelSystem;
        FMODSystem lowlevel = null;
        lowlevel = FMODSystemsManager.FMODSystem4FMODPlayback(lowlevel, FMOD.SPEAKERMODE.DEFAULT, 0, LogLevel.DEBUG, this.gameObject.name, null); // RuntimeManager.LowlevelSystem;

        uint lenbytes = (uint)(audioclip.samples * audioclip.channels * sizeof(float));

        FMOD.CREATESOUNDEXINFO soundinfo = new FMOD.CREATESOUNDEXINFO
        {
            length = lenbytes,
            format = FMOD.SOUND_FORMAT.PCMFLOAT,
            defaultfrequency = audioclip.frequency,
            numchannels = audioclip.channels
        };
        soundinfo.cbsize = Marshal.SizeOf(soundinfo);

        FMOD.Sound sound;
        result = lowlevel.System.createSound("", FMOD.MODE.OPENUSER, ref soundinfo, out sound);
        Debug.Log(result);

        IntPtr ptr1, ptr2;
        uint len1, len2;
        sound.@lock(0, lenbytes, out ptr1, out ptr2, out len1, out len2);
        Marshal.Copy(samples, 0, ptr1, (int)(len1 / sizeof(float)));
        if (len2 > 0)
        {
            Marshal.Copy(samples, (int)(len1 / sizeof(float)), ptr2, (int)(len2 / sizeof(float)));
        }
        sound.unlock(ptr1, ptr2, len1, len2);

        sound.setMode(FMOD.MODE.LOOP_NORMAL);

        FMOD.Channel channel;
        FMOD.ChannelGroup master;
        result = lowlevel.System.getMasterChannelGroup(out master);
        Debug.Log(result);

        result = lowlevel.System.playSound(sound, master, false, out channel);
        Debug.Log(result);
    }
#

I'm using my own system, but LowLevelSystem should work too

#

(I'm using just the lowlevel parts of the FMOD Integrations, but system provided by FMOD Designer/Studio should be the same)

#

and not using C# 6/7 features obviously ) ( I have to support 3.5 runtime )

#

So the approach is ok; apart from master channel group in your code the size of the struct is the most important

#

make sure you stop the sound at some point; i.e. return it - without returning it you have no way of stopping it (except killing the system which might be a problem while the sound is still playing)

#

then you have other problems such as respecting current volume setting probably which is set on channel of the sound

chilly canyon
#

Thanks, @whole pewter, i'll try that

#

Also instead of stopping it, I'm thinking about simply returning the audio and having the caller function play it

whole pewter
#

when you call these low level APIs always check returned error code - e.g. createSound returned an error even in your original code, even when later calls did not, so I saw that immediately

fixing that is another matter entirely though - but suffice to say that human and animal sacrifices were made during the course of several years I'm dealing with this now )

chilly canyon
#

So OK, OK, OK was logged, but still, no audio is being played

whole pewter
#

you have to sacrifice a goat at this point I guess -
what I would recommend first though is getting the system to play anything - play a simple wav file or something
look at fmod api samples - it's a separate download under 'FMOD Studio API' and adapt e.g. play_sound sample for c#
if you're using FMOD Unity Integrations calls are 1:1 between c/c++ and c# side

chilly canyon
#

The thing I don't understand is that other base game FMOD audio is played just fine, which means it has something to do with the code. But still, the OK OK OK is confusing me, if no sound is even played

whole pewter
#

try setting the volume after playing

#

are you passing the masterchannel group parameter too btw ?

#

volume should be on channel so channel.setVolume() IIRC

chilly canyon
#

Yes, I am passing the master ChannelGroup parameter

#

Setting the volume also didn't work :/

#

If it matters, here is a part of the output log:

FMOD Studio: Creating runtime system instance
Platform assembly: ...
...
FMOD Studio: Destroying runtime system instance
...
OK
OK
OK
112.64```
#

112.64 is the length of the audio clip, that's how i checked that it was loaded properly

whole pewter
#

hm destroying runtime instance before your calls does not look right

#

if possible prevent it

chilly canyon
#

That happens when its gameobject is destroyed, right?

whole pewter
#

not sure how fmod studio package is structured - but it should not go away with a single GO being destroyed

#

it might be a editor thing

#

the runtime should be there for all objects at all times

#

the c# side is bit finicky at times - it can hold object/pointers even when c++ side is not longer valid

#

so that's why you're not getting NRE but it's not consistent since the calls return OK šŸ˜¦

chilly canyon
#

Game audio is still being played even after the runtime system instance was destroyed

#

That's why I'm thinking there's something wrong with the code in that method

whole pewter
#

game audio might be using different instance

#

the code is really OK provided that environment is properly running

#

the main difference compared to your original code is that I've supplied my own fmod system ( apart from the struct size fix )

#

the runtime instance should be destroyed only on scene unload/destroy anyway

#

but that log might come from editor when its reloading the scene

chilly canyon
#

@whole pewter OK so, one of the other modders took the script and added it to his fmod testing project (which uses the same unity version as the game), and it worked just fine, using the same asset bundle and audioclip

#

So i'm guessing it has something to do with the game itself

whole pewter
#

yea this might be tough to find out

#

you can enable debug logging ( see FMOD.Debug.Initialize and pass debug callback ) but no idea if there will be something usable / but it has to be before system create IIRC /

chilly canyon
#

@humble flame @whole pewter I gave up trying to load FMOD sounds, and I found a library made by one of the other modders which allows editing the Disable Unity Audio field (not at runtime though)

#

Even if I can edit it successfully, I'm not sure if it would work or not

whole pewter
#

it might; I think they're disabling it mainly because they're using other than unity's default spatializer ( i might be wrong )
so if your mod content is supposed to be just music it might be ok - if not you'd get only unity's (horizontal) spatialization

#
  • .. unless you use fmod's e.g. google vr ( in which case you bring basically everything fmod into the game via mod again probably )
chilly canyon
#

Update:

strange saffron
#

I'm not sure if this is a programing question or an audio question. But I noticed while playing around with making a audio visualizer that's being done around a circle, the top end of my data isn't touched at all. I generated a 20kHz audio file, which when it ran in my visualizer was about a little shy of 2/3's of the full length of data I'm getting. So I'm trying to figure out if there is a way I can keep unity looking at 20Hz to 20kHz range when reading in audio files that include what could be just noise outside of that range. If the only solution is a programing one I get it, and apologize for posting here. Just figured this would be the best place to start

hasty cloak
#

you might check what compression format is being used. Some audio formats are 'lossy' and don't retain the full dynamic range of the original audio file.

strange saffron
#

right now I'm using .wav's

hasty cloak
#

PCM is uncompressed, and should have the full range of the original

#

well I mean in the clip import

#

there's settings on how unity compresses it for Unity's use

strange saffron
#

Ok,

hasty cloak
#

there's also 'preserve sample rate' setting

#

which prevents unity from trying to downscale the sample rate to save space

#

that can also cause a loss of fidelity

#

of course the less Unity compresses, the larger the data will be

strange saffron
#

But what I'm looking at, is Unity is giving me a extra 4k frequencies that I don't need. Which I just found out is part of the difference between GetSpectrumData and GetOutputData. Spectrum is checking between 0 to 24000 Hz.

hasty cloak
#

oh hmmm

#

i notice on the page for GetSpectrumData(), it says:

#

This function will use the sampling rate specified in AudioSettings.outputSampleRate, and NOT the sampling rate specified for the audio clip.

#

so could that be the cause?

#

seems it's a global project setting, so don't know how changing that would affect your project.

strange saffron
#

Woudln't that just change how often I'm getting "new" sample data? instead of the range itself?

hasty cloak
#

maybe. I was just grasping at straws

#

i don't really know how you would change that

#

or if you even can.

strange saffron
#

Right, and that could ultimately be the answer that I can't change it so I just have to do some maths and iterate only though the range that I want. I won't be able to display the full number of samples, but at least it will be of valid data.

hasty cloak
#

seems so from what i can gather

strange saffron
#

Thanks for the input ceebee. I'm still looking into this to see what I can come up with. It's more of a exercise right now, so I have time to try things out šŸ˜ƒ

whole pewter
#

i think higher order harmonics fall logarithmically in intensity so you might want to artificially compensate
(but i'm not entirely sure)

uncut hawk
#

I'm looking for purchasing some temporary music when we are prototyping our game, anyone got any good sites where I can listen and find music for gamedev?

proper salmon
#

When we we're making music visualisers, we cut out anything over 18k, cause people just don't consciously hear much above that. It made more visual sense to ignore it.

#

@uncut hawk try the unity asset store

#

We were still playing in 44.1k quality though. Because it was for live performance.

uncut hawk
#

@proper salmon Thanks, but I was hoping for a different site with more options and user friendly preview playback

#

Found a couple while googling but very varying in quality

proper salmon
#

Yeah I just googled "music to license" and seemed to have come up with a lot of places to look

#

For sfx, I use mostly ASoundEffect

#

Or freesound, but stuff from there always requires a good amount of editing.

uncut hawk
drowsy coral
#

I'm currently just playing sounds by activating the audiosource.play function from a script, how can I make my sound blend better so that if I activate it two times really close to each other it doesn't clip the existing clip?

#

if that makes any sense

#

Also the audio never goes away, I can hear it some 100 units away even if the max is set to 10

proper salmon
#

first q, by generating another audiosource for it to play from

#

second q, if you are trying to make it so it fade out after a certain distance, you should the graph on the audiosource

#

I'll just open Unity and take a screenshot

#

so, in that graph, I've made sure the volume actually reaches 0. Otherwise, yeah regardless of how far, it will still sound

drowsy coral
#

What do you mean second audio source?

proper salmon
#

an audiosource can only play one thing at a time. SO if you want two things to play at the same time, you need two audiosources

drowsy coral
#

Oh hm, I geuss I could just have a second one and alternate playing them with a bool

#

that works I geuss

#

but how do I cancel the other one at the same time?

proper salmon
#

oh, you want to cancel the first one?

drowsy coral
#

Having it playing twice at once would not make much sense

#

well I mean, I don't want it to clip

#

I have a door that plays a sound when it opens and if I close it while its opening and the sound is still playing it resets the sound

#

I am trying to get it to be 'smooth'

proper salmon
#

oh right, probs just a super quick fade out heh

drowsy coral
#

No I mean when I start it again I just call play again

proper salmon
#

yeah, so it may have to very quickly fade out before you play it

#

like in 0.1 secs

drowsy coral
# 
public void PlaySound(){
        soundCaster.clip = clip;
        soundCaster.Play();
    }``` this is the code I'm currently using
#

I geuss I can also just make it so the door has to finish opening or closing first

#

that could also work

proper salmon
#

you could do something liek this:

{
    public static IEnumerator FadeOut(AudioSource audioSource, float FadeTime)
    {
        float startVolume = audioSource.volume;
 
        while (audioSource.volume > 0)
        {
            audioSource.volume -= startVolume * Time.deltaTime / FadeTime;
 
            yield return null;
        }
 
        audioSource.Stop();
        audioSource.volume = startVolume;
    }
 
    public static IEnumerator FadeIn(AudioSource audioSource, float FadeTime)
    {
        float startVolume = 0.2f;
 
        audioSource.volume = 0;
        audioSource.Play();
 
        while (audioSource.volume < 1.0f)
        {
            audioSource.volume += startVolume * Time.deltaTime / FadeTime;
 
            yield return null;
        }
 
        audioSource.volume = 1f;
    }
}
drowsy coral
#

yeah that looks complicated

proper salmon
#

it is just taking the volume of the audiosource and fading it to 0 over an amount of seconds

drowsy coral
#

yeah

proper salmon
#

it has a start volume, for extra mixing convenience

#

and to bring it back up heh

#

you could also just make sure that the start of the sound is loud and impulsive enough to disguise the previous sound cutting

bleak heart
#

Yeah to be fair our audio banks aren't that extensive at this point

#

@hasty cloak I'll happily pay their licensing to not have to reinvent the wheel of an industry standard audio tool lol

hasty cloak
#

well half the stuff i'd never use, it's barebones

proper salmon
#

Yeah same haha. You just weigh up "will it take longer for a programmer to make this, or to pay the licensing"

#

SOmetimes yeah, programmer doing it is cheaper

hasty cloak
#

you can give multiple sounds the same name and it will randomly choose one, with weighting, that kind of useful stuff

#

i integrated it with steam audio so i can pre-configure all the settings.

proper salmon
#

the files have the same name?

hasty cloak
#

let me take a pic

#

easier to see than explain

proper salmon
#

In some cases I'll use a middleware at the start of development, so I can play with systems and iterate really quickly, then write the systems again in engine.

#

It's really all about cost management

hasty cloak
#

so like, if i trigger "FOOTSTEPS" it will pick one of the 4 configured sounds

#

you can alter the weight to make some more/less frequent

#

and i expanded "LADDER" to show how you can preconfigure all the settings for each sound

#

it's some basic stuff that WWISE/FMOD can do

proper salmon
#

right yeah, it's like a little event system

#

yeah nice šŸ˜ƒ

hasty cloak
#

i want to add spline audio

#

so you can define a spline and the sound will play all along the spline

#

like for a pipe or river

#

but i haven't got around to it

proper salmon
#

definitely. I'm finding more and more that vector maths is something I need to understand better

hasty cloak
#

and you can mount multiple banks at once and it will search through them all

proper salmon
#

In July, I'm gonna have a bit of a break from contract work, so will have time to practice vector maths stuff I hope!

hasty cloak
#

i'm thinking about changing from Steam Audio to Resonance though

proper salmon
#

ah, that's cool that you're doin optimisation stuff

#

I use resonance. But, I haven't tried steam audio again since it came out, so it might be less chunky now

hasty cloak
#

there's one bug that they still have never fixed

#

and it is a problem for me

proper salmon
#

I was doin mobile VR when Steam Audio came out, and it was just not gonna happen šŸ˜…

#

Resonance is lean enough to use on mobile

hasty cloak
#

if you start playing a clip, and it has reverb, and you halt the clip,

#

next time ANY sound plays, the reverb continues.

#

and it's kind of a messed up thing to have

proper salmon
#

haha wat?! that's so bad

hasty cloak
#

i tried everything to eliminate that, and the only way is to not use reverb

#

so i tried with Resonance, it doesn't have that problem.

proper salmon
#

but reverb is like.. the first thing people want from a spatialisation tool

hasty cloak
#

exactly...

proper salmon
#

0.0

hasty cloak
#

i guess i could tack on a delay so any reverb can finish

#

but that's so hacky

proper salmon
#

yeah, that is bad

#

what are you working on, anyway? šŸ˜ƒ

hasty cloak
#

it's an adventure/RPG type game

proper salmon
#

anything more to show? You might've showed in other channels.. I have a lot of them muted šŸ˜…

hasty cloak
#

not really anything i want to show, it's all very wip lol

proper salmon
#

oh okay :)
It's cool that you're doin audio stuff that early then.

hasty cloak
#

yeah well i tried to touch all the major things a bit in the beginning

#

because i wanted to feel confident i could get a grasp on them before i went whole hog

#

so a lot of the work up til now has been on the programming side

proper salmon
#

Yeah, it's also just good design to adress all the elements of the game, and make sure, they're working together from the start

hasty cloak
#

yep i agree

#

i wrote my inventory system from scratch, and tackled the character controller, but that part i had a lot of trouble with.

proper salmon
#

I am guilty of leaving visual stuff till last. My game ideas are usually based around audio and a mechanic for interacting with audio. THen some narrative.
THen I'll make the whole thing with cubes and stuff.

hasty cloak
#

i ended up going with Invector, because it met my needs the best, and i like the feel of it, but i'm modifying it heavily

#

like scrapping their inventory and using mine šŸ˜›

#

their's is too elementary

#

my controller worked, but it just felt bad and if I don't like it, I doubt anyone else will heh

proper salmon
#

@dusty night The way I see it, hopefully it's something a bit like shaderforge, but for audio! I'm hoping that they have a lot of premade node functions

dusty night
#

That sounds so wild, pun moderately intended

proper salmon
#

šŸ˜›

dusty night
#

so procedural sound tweaks become easier?

proper salmon
#

SO much easier

dusty night
#

what on earth is this magic

proper salmon
#

we already rely a lot on using existing game values to alter audio

#

Unreal has had something siilar for a long time. Before they had blueprints, they had basically Blueprints but just for audio

dusty night
#

also one could even think about using machine learning to get the right kind of dynamic modification to sound given fuzzy input

proper salmon
#

yeah, machine learning should be much easier to implement

dusty night
#

you do it and I'll copy you :P

proper salmon
#

haha yeah I can't wait to learn and then teach others frankly

#

I asked Unity for a sponsorship to do it at Train Jam, but 1. it's not out yet, and 2. no unity peeps on train jam aparently šŸ˜¦

dusty night
#

This is DOTS based isn't it? so really it shouldn't be any slower at the end to what we have now

proper salmon
#

I did think it'd be out by now

#

no, it should be faster really šŸ˜ƒ

dusty night
#

What kind of sorcery...?

#

Anyway I want. When?

#

2019.something I guess

proper salmon
#

yeah exactly. I thought 2019.2

#

the graph/profiler is in 2019.1

#

In that video I posted, Wayne said they'd dmade this audio stuff in only two months. I'm a bit annoyed they didn't spend more time on it personally

#

So, I'm sort of happy if they are šŸ˜›

dusty night
#

On forums I just don't understand the occasional negativity from people toward graphs. I'm an experienced coder and find graphs quite interesting and great because I don't need to learn a whole new disclipline then to achieve something nice..

proper salmon
#

yeah.. There's lot of negativity toward Unreal's Blueprints, too. But, I've seen really awesome stuff coming out of it.

dusty night
#

2 months eh?

proper salmon
#

And honestly, experienced coders seem to still know nothing about audio implementation..

dusty night
#

because that's all it took, or that's all they had time for?

proper salmon
#

All they had time for I think.

#

The mega city project was already half made, and then they had to put audio on it

dusty night
#

Yeah exactly you can be hot stuff at coding, but that's irrelivant when you need years of physx experience and so on, there's that experience required from various large and long lived APIs

#

or even in a field, for example I've had to learn about cameras and lenses for HDRP

proper salmon
#

Yeah, you learn what's required for each project.

#

My partner taught me some stuff about how shadergraph worked, because I needed a lil transition to happen. And that is allll I know haha

#

And even in audio, I don't do much live recording in large studios. My mates who are in film audio, basically spend all their time in large studios

#

Bringing back to previous convo. This node based stuff will make iteration way faster. I'm so happy about that hah.

lusty cairn
#

the only reason I've learned shaders manually, is because I learned the basics glsl and hlsl before I ever saw a graph-based shader editor.

If I started now I'd probably learn shadergraph/ASE even though I'm a coder. For visual stuff or level/event scripting I think node based things are much quicker for making things work.

And with audio/DSP there's precedence in patch-cord physical setups anyway.

proper salmon
#

yeah. Node based audio stuff is already in a lot of other softwares. It makes sense to embrace it.

whole pewter
#

are you assuming a node in DSPGraph corresponds to a visual element ?

#

it doesn't

#

it would make sense it they made fully patchable node based UX system for audio but I'd wager a bet this won't happen in first release of DSPGraph

#

it would be awesome if they e.g. reused existing work for visual scripting /shader graph, and it would make sense - but as I understood it this was not initial focus

dusky flint
#

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Perhaps some game music composers here are interested in checking it out. The intro price is 5$ until the 15th of March. šŸ™‚

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dusty night
#

Please don't advertise here, use asset store advertising or resources

proper salmon
#

Oh sorry, that's my fault. THey posted in off-topic, and weren't sure if they should post in audio, and I said they should

#

Didn't even think of those channels, because it's not a unity thing XD

#

Thanks for sharing the code too @dusky flint, it's really interesting to see!

strange saffron
#

If this was part of the conversation I started on Friday, as I looked a few mixes, possibly. When we run just a white noise sample all frequencies showed equal power, there is some real time fluctuations,.but to draw a straight average it was all equal. So it depends on the mix, if the higher end is brought down to remove some "tinnyness", which seems to be the case in one of my test songs. So I have been considering scaling in some form of logarithmic way. Still leaves me with 4k of frequencies that are part of the array even though they are essentially 0 all of the time.. I should post some pics to demonstrate.

i think higher order harmonics fall logarithmically in intensity so you might want to artificially compensate
(but i'm not entirely sure)
````r618 - 15-02-2019 16:41 | #audio`
whole pewter
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@strange saffron right most real life signals behave like that (also because lossy encoders tend to omit/suppress higher frequencies)
you might want to add an exponential or similar term (add as in addition operation) based on bucket frequency, shifted to the right so lower parts are untouched
the goal would be to make result to change drastically based on miniscule changes in original spectrum
i've never done this properly so i don't have proper function - it might require much tweaking to make it usable

strange saffron
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Yeah, you nailed the amount of tweaking that needs to be done to it. Glad this is more of a mental exercise then something I need right now. This is where the fun is at for sure, try this and of little of that šŸ˜ƒ

turbid kraken
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Hey! So I've only worked with one sound designer before who used Wwise as middleware. So planning on using ECS in the next project, I saw that they have made a DSP Graph for the City demo. As the only parts of sound integration I've done as been Play/Stop and Set value of parameters, I'm not really familiar with many of these sound concepts and how they are linked together. So I was wondering if this DSP Graph is equivalent and appropriate replacement of Wwise, or a compliment with different features? Or is it simply more performant with some of the features? (Or equally so?) Thanks for any answer^^

hasty cloak
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can you show me where they show this DSP graph?

turbid kraken
hasty cloak
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oh yes this

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someone was talking about this the other day

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it's going to be a nodes based system, for making effects

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I wouldn't say it's a replacement for WWISE

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wwise handles compression, and library handling, in addition to some effects.

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there is probably some overlap

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but yeah It's hard to say definitively until we get our hands on it

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yeah he mentions its a 'sample mixing engine'

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you can layer audio, change frequency, do those kinds of effects with it

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think um, a system for tracking music from samples

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that kind of thing

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I dunno what tracking software is popular these days

turbid kraken
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So its not comparable to wwise or fmod?

hasty cloak
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like I said they are kind of two different things

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unity's thing is for playing and generating sound

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Wwise/FMOD are low level audio apis for managing sound

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compressing clips, managing them in libraries, etc

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also a lot of it is about handling the spatial aspect

turbid kraken
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So more like organizing while producing and pre processing?

hasty cloak
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I haven't seen him specifically mention anything about spatial audio

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yeah you know what a tracker is yes?

turbid kraken
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Not really :/

hasty cloak
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ok well that's probably why i'm not clear hehe

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a tracker is software designed for creating sound effects and music

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you can sequence individual instrument sound clips to make music

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and apply effects to those samples in realtime to create all new sounds

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that's what unity's thing is

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for some reason it's hard to find a video showing a tracker

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strange

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ok here, this is a song done in Reason, a pretty nice tracker I used to use

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this wasn't done with actual musicians, just a few samples of notes from various instruments

turbid kraken
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So kind of like a dynamic tracker then?

hasty cloak
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yes, like a tracker šŸ˜ƒ

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unity is making a nodes based system for manipulating audio based on Jobs system

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probably won't be as fancy an interface as Reason.

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but functionally similar in that it lets you combine/sequence/manipulate sounds at runtime

placid field
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Sounds like a cool feature šŸ˜€

viral orbit
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what software do you guys use to make music ?

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i tried FL and Magix but idk i would like to know other alternatives

stuck frost
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FL Studio currently, though I sometimes might hop into Ableton, for example when I need to record my MIDI keyboard. Ableton just has much better MIDI editing & somehow less latency in my opinion.

proper salmon
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I use Ableton, then go to Reaper if I have to mix for 360 video.

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Ableton totally wins on midi accounts

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I am so excited for the new node audio editing stuff in Unity ā¤

stuck frost
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I do sometimes use Reaper for sound design, it's great for it šŸ˜„

proper salmon
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I saw a cool plugin for importing assets in to wwise straight from Reaper.

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Reaper have a great dev community

stuck frost
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They do.

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"then go to Reaper if I have to mix for 360 video."

Wait, does Reaper have a native video player VST?

proper salmon
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nah, it's not native. It's just that Reaper plays better with FB360 or other 360 vid VST/plugins

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Ableton just doesn't wanna play as fair haha

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such. good. dev. community.

stuck frost
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Any recommendations for a good one? Getting kinda frustrated with FL's video player since it's really laggy & sometimes off-sync šŸ˜„

proper salmon
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for 360 video? Yeah I use FB360 tools

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But, if you don't wanna use Facebook stuff (cause they evil), a google will show heaps more tools with reaper

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Google has their stuff working with Reaper too

viral orbit
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alright so Ableton it is

proper salmon
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Yeah, I think Ableton is the quickest to get your ideas down. The workflow it encourages with Clip View, is just really well done.

viral orbit
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Well thats good because its exacly what i am looking for i am having so much trouble understanding music softwares so a quick to take in hand would be a blast šŸ˜„

proper salmon
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It also has a great function of "export as loop" which is nice for quick iteration without editing, to get seamless loops for in-game

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Ableton really illustrates how similar to live electronic music, game audio is šŸ˜›

viral orbit
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well now im even more pumped up to get it has been so hard to do this on Magix because for some reason if the reading line doesn't pass on the very beginning of a sequence, it will be silent for the whole time šŸ˜„

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ohh i had fun

proper salmon
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oh yeah, you might be missing the start of the midi note, so it doesn't have the "on" event triggered

viral orbit
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So was it a feature or just a bug šŸ˜„ ?

proper salmon
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... more just an annoying thing about how midi works

viral orbit
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Im eager to begin i have been making this remix on piano for a far project šŸ˜ƒ

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what do you think ?

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sorry for the hickups i have a terrible memory šŸ˜„

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Also a good reason to go on a music software

proper salmon
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sounds nice

viral orbit
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its a test really but its mostly for the style

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thx šŸ˜ƒ

whole pewter
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@turbid kraken yes DSPGraph will be part of DOTS (ECS ready)
no, it will not replace audio package authoring software such as FMOD Studio or Wwise
it will replace current Unity's audio system

fluid rivet
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Hi Guys, anybody know why audio source always playing on scene load eventhough the audio source are disabled?

dusty night
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Play on Awake somewhere

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or playoneshot in code

fluid rivet
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@dusty night nope, Play on awake are disabled and no playoneshot calling the audiosource

whole pewter
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it's different audiosource

whole pewter
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I know there's a problem with the mixer when it fails to apply parameter from [InitializeOnLoadMethod] I think
but if the game object on which the audio source is attached, or the AudioSource component itself is disabled, it won't play no

  • or something isn't enabling it, of course
brazen pollen
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This isn't exactly Unity related, but does anyone recommend a good service for hiring a voice actor for a small indie project, similar to Voicebunny? Budget is "as low as humanly possible" and I only need a couple of lines (less than 250 words )

night hamlet
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is there a way to clear the memory for FMOD?

placid rose
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@turbid kraken Thanks for the YouTube link. I hadn't heard about the new DSP Graph before. Sounds really cool. 100x faster than OnAudioFilterRead and in C# šŸ‘Œ

dire holly
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im struggling with audio design in my game, i wish there was a guide for just like, "this is how people do stuff normally"

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i have some audio mixers set up and ducking and stuff im just not sure WHAT should take priority in my game (its a shooter)

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like theres gun fire sounds, environment hit sounds, enemy hit sounds, enemy death sounds

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thats basically how i have it broken down

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currently i have them all broken into different mixer groups and in the order listed above, duck gun fire sounds more and more (so all hit sounds duck firing sounds, but death sounds are the loudest/duck it the most)

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but i dont think it sounds right

small wadi
proper salmon
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Good talk, I didn't realised was released for free:
https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1025037/An-Interactive-Sound-Dystopia-Real
Also it's bilingual in Japanese/English which is pretty cool.

An Interactive Sound Dystopia: Real-Time Audio Processing in 'NieR...

Due to recent technological advances with game hardware, sound designers have become able to apply real-time audio processing to their games in more creative ways. In this talk, the speakers will cover the spatial audio techniques used in...

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It's about DSP use in 3D audio

proper salmon
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šŸ˜® ohhhh, Neir Automata used Wwise even though they totally could've rolled it themselves, judging by this vid, geez

hasty cloak
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when I played Nier: Automata, I was so sure it was made in Unity. it just looked like Unity. But after research I found they rolled their own engine. However, it did use Enlighten, just like Unity does, which is probably why it had a similar look to it.

proper salmon
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Yeah, I'm not even sure why they used Wwise. Except that probably, it was for the sound design team, so they didn'thave to go digging through code to implement stuff. It's a pretty cool nod effective audio pipelines imho.

placid rose
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Interesting vid, thanks @proper salmon. Cool to see how the lo-fi/interference effects were done.

proper salmon
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neverrrr

placid rose
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Hopefully they'll announce something at the next Unite conferences in May. It seemed quite far along in internal development at the Unite LA presentation...

proper salmon
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yes that's what I thought! For some reason I had it in my head 2019.2

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Maybe I made it up :/

placid rose
dusty night
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release notes get filled as the alpha moves to beta, you won't see many notes ever really for alpha

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Else it can shatter a lot of dreams and tears flow

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They no doubt have internal roadmaps that are on fire

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ALSO

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that's not package manager's roadmap.

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For packages, you wont see them on the main roadmap because main roadmap is for unityengine and a lot of this stuff only needs small tweaks to unityengine (the feature might be HPC#)

proper salmon
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yeah I noticed @placid rose :(
@dusty night do you have a link to where we should be looking?

lusty cairn
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Honestly, just from observation, it feels like the early alphas are more for bugfixes/integration prep than dropping full features on fire and at the bleeding edge.

proper salmon
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Yeah, that seems right

dusty night
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Alpha is the intention and Beta is the reality :D

lusty cairn
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They'll soon be on fire and covered with the tears of early adopters who, too late, realized this wasn't a finished feature, then complained about it, ignoring the "preview" and "experimental" labels on things, then getting upset when called out on this fact by other users/the developers themselves.

dusty night
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Also where is the new package manager roadmap?

proper salmon
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:(
I just wanna help them make it honestly. Like, I'm ready for it to change heaps and heaps.

dusty night
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If we ask Unity they will wink and smile and say "wait for GDC" even if it's a month after GDC... they mean the next one ;)

proper salmon
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yeah, it's understandable. But, I guess I'm frustrated that they don't have any audio people on team. afaict, there's one person, and he's not even all audio, he's general R&D

lusty cairn
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I'm not complaining about burning my hands on hot new features and APIs, but I know what I'm in for and no-one is currently relying heavily on my ECS escapades.

But I have seen folks complain about changes in Preview features and act like Unity broke a stable feature when it had the giant "preview" tag on things, then complain "why did you expose this unfinished feature?", when I remember the bad old days of "why didn't you ask us about anything when developing this feature?".

proper salmon
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I get emails from Wwise when they make a breaking change to something I'm using. With advice on how to deal with migration.

lusty cairn
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Unity's pretty good about leaving obsolete things in for several engine versions and warning folks about it, better than in the 3.X - 4.X days for sure

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but anyways, I've gotten off track of the audio.
I am verrrry interested in the DSP stuff, and I wonder how that could be hooked into other features for audio event stuff (or just integrating with Koreographer)

proper salmon
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yeah, I don't see why it couldn't integrate with anything public šŸ˜„

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exciting

hot shard
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Since there is no audio section under Programming it post ig here:
I have problems with getting propper audio clips from DownloadHandlerAudioClip with a mp3 file from disk ( not streaming)
I have read that because auf licensing issues its not longer supported.
If that is the case any good choise for loading audio other then MP3 and wave (File size does sadly matter)

proper salmon
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ogg is also used a lot šŸ˜ƒ

hot shard
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sounds like a option that i have to look at
the dumm thing is that the files will be changebale by the cusomer.... so i have to provide a easy way to convert them

hasty cloak
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VLC or ffmpeg can do the job

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could probably set up a batch file to convert a folder or whatever

proper salmon
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Audacity does bulk conversions

hot shard
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probably do a sollution on the webserver so it automaticly generates ogg files for mp3 files placed there. But thatnks you both for the recomendations.

dusty night
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Don't forget unity works closely with a lot of medium to large teams on higher budget stuff, proven studios that service a wide range of sectors so they tend to have face time with on site engineers and back and forth so the feedback they get on audio is really high quality stuff, I pretty much trust them on this.

when it comes out will be a good chance to feed back on something that actually has a shape rather than a formless blob (typically I'd imagine it's not a formless blob after 3 years of battle testing)

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it's really hard for anyone to involve people in feedback if its too soon

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one of the problems in audio is.... how to play the correct sound for physical materials touching or impacting or rolling or rubbing and there's so many different material combinations

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even defining these is a hard job before you get to even author them

whole pewter
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its good that unity won't have material audio then šŸ˜‰

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btw re ogg vs other formats : ogg is superior to mp3 for common listen in practically all parameters - people are tied to mp3 for some reason, which is not justified IMHO (prob because so many sw works with it; and has tags etc);
but converting from mp3 wouldn't do much to quality

dusty night
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so material audio

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I had a system for that but I've (I hope) wisely paused my dev on it pending something Unity side

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now...

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was that a good idea?

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slides along the floor wetly, looking up at you with sticky hippo eyes

hasty cloak
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what's material audio?

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playing different audio depending on what material is on the collider or something different?

whole pewter
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@dusty night wellll if it was ambience only you'd get pretty good starting point in megacity and its volumetric stuff (custom made for the project) for ECS (provided they include all the stuff we've seen so far in demo)
but from your description you really want per material interaction for which there will be - I believe - nothing OOTB in Unity
you might want to look at google resonance which has materials per room - that I'm certain of -, but I'm not sure if it has audio materials / it's very likely though /

  • and probably all usual libraries (fmod,wwise, steam audio etc) have it - that'd be wiser than wait for unity currently in my opnion
proper salmon
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Yah Google Resonance is a great lightweight option

dusty night
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I see, so how would be the best way to create a system that sounds right for say, metal dragged on soil vs light metal rolling on wood or a wood ball hitting something else and so on

seems like you would need a specific sample (looping for rolling or sliding) for every single material pair combination plus weight class, and that's just a horrifying number of samples even for a simple number of materials like

light, medium, heavy:
wood
metal
soil
rock

etc...

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easily a few hundred

hasty cloak
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I've never seen any game go to that extreme.

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they usually just use a few and recycle them around

dusty night
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Zelda breath of the wild kind of does to some extent

hasty cloak
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hard against hard, hard against soft, soft against soft

dusty night
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hard against hard but what kind

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?

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so there's no soft to hard or medium to hard? just hard<>hard and soft<>soft i guess

hasty cloak
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doesn't really matter much, dragging wood on stone doesn't really sound that different from metal on wood

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and most people aren't focused on that anyway, they are focused on lopping off the head of the troll

dusty night
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so I just need 1x hard sound, 1x soft sound for each type?

hasty cloak
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some variety is fine

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I did like on demo I saw once

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this guy had a barrel

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and he rigged it up so he could tell if it was rolling or sliding , or tumbling end over end

dusty night
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yeah thats what I want

hasty cloak
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and he played a different sound for each

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but most games dont' bother

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they just play the same 'dink' for tumbling or or hitting, ignore sliding, and rolling

dusty night
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I have a fairly physical game so I would like at least to cover sliding, rolling and impact sound for common materials like wood, metal and stone (and flesshhhhhhh)

hasty cloak
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yeah I get ya

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trying to recall, what it was where they did that

dusty night
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i guess unity won't do this so it's best I do

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so I don't play a sound from both just one of them?

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or both?

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like if rock was being dragged across wood, would i play rock-drag + wood drag sounds?

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or just only play the "lightest" one of the pair?

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I mean I probably dont want to play both if the floor is dense stone but the object being dragged is light wood

hasty cloak
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you could make up a matrix of different materials

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if you wanted that level of realism

dusty night
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I do but simplified...

hasty cloak
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it's kind of like how you handle feet

dusty night
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mostly so I can automate how things sound

hasty cloak
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you'll have a set of footsteps for every type of material you want to handle

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feet on stone, feet on wood, feet on gravel, etc

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i'd see the objects as the actors

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and the environment as passive

dusty night
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but the problem arises when both are dynamic

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in physics situations

hasty cloak
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but I think a lot of times, a tin can bonking on a wood floor would sound the same as a tin can bonking on concrete

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you won't really need sounds for each

dusty night
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wood being rubbed on light wood
metal impacting same weight wood

hasty cloak
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again I think a lot of times they would sound the same

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most of the sound comes from the object's vibration

dusty night
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thats really helpful

hasty cloak
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and that dosesn't change much based on what it hits

dusty night
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yeah

hasty cloak
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what would change is if it's something like sand

dusty night
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i have sand...

hasty cloak
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that doesn't impart a lot of energy

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to the object

dusty night
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it is a lot of tiny separate objects so it needs its own thing i guess. but sand (and soil) are I guess dominant special cases

hasty cloak
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then the sand becomes the primary and you get a dull thump

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for just about everything

dusty night
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for example a brick hitting mud would be the mud splat
and a body hitting mud would sound the same ish

hasty cloak
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yes

whole pewter
dusty night
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oooh

whole pewter
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I found audio material only in reference, but I think they have defined some in demo scene

dusty night
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so this is for a one room env not a whole world for example?

whole pewter
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( Only room properties are mentioned among main features )

hasty cloak
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yeah resonance is good. I have steam audio in my project atm, but I plan to move over to Resonance.

whole pewter
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you can define room/s yes

hasty cloak
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and now I know what you mean by material audio

whole pewter
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if room is not defined it's in some default state

dusty night
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well what I meant was with substances of different kinds by material