turbid matrix
but in the nutshell:
well, URP has different setup
if you use built-in, official PP solution is the PostProcessing package from package manager
if you use URP or HDRP, they both have their own integrated PP that needs to be configured other way
eternal chasm
thank you so much!!! I was always trying to use it with urp or incorrectly with the built in one
the official doc should be just your explanation
thank you really
dawn sorrel
DXR GI is getting funkier release by release 😄
@turbid matrix thats god for terror games xd
dawn sorrel
I think i'm annoyed everyone but this is the last chance. I'm just changed rotation on y. IDK WHY THIS HAPPENS. Light appears in the certain position. Every time.
dawn sorrel
@dawn sorrel https://youtu.be/lFvoDm1l3SA
my very old tuto , hope it helps
funny how i ve got too old and lazy for unity to not even able to achive that quality wit dxr
unity old days were fantastic.
indigo summit
is hdrp 10.x not compatible with latest alpha release?
turbid matrix
depends which version
indigo summit
from tags version right?
turbid matrix
yes
indigo summit
preview.28?
turbid matrix
if you just take master or hdrp/staging, it requires 2020.2.0a20 atm
but you could also just revert one commit and HDRP would work fine on a18
I dunno about the last functional tag, I bet it's one of the newest ones, just check which one doesn't have a20 requirement on hdrp's package.json
indigo summit
also what is the best way to install srp from repo?
using PM via instal from disk?
turbid matrix
had to revert these two commits to make current staging run on a18:
- HDRP: Enable HAVE_DEFAULT_RENDERING_LAYER_MASK (only affects HDRP)
- Add support for GPU instancing of mesh particle systems (#904) (only affects URP)
^ quote from my older post here
indigo summit
or manually modify package file?
turbid matrix
as the repo is huge, it makes very little sense to clone it via PM
how I do it is that I have a local clone which I use for experimenting
I just put file refs to the manifest that point to the cloned graphics folder
or if it's something I need something to ship along the project, I can just copy specific versions from that cloned location into that projects packages folder
or if I need to keep customized srp for real project, I just copy the locally cloned repo to projects root somewhere and put file ref to there
but using PM to clone 4GB of data each time... that's just not feasible IMO
we actually debated about this a bit a while ago on the forum thread where Unity claimed they plan to take SRP packages away from PM for good and only keep git + ship current SRP packages along with the editor
basically then if you needed SRP update, the official way would have been to clone that 4GB (or whatever the graphics repo size is today) of data via PM
indigo summit
hmm from package.json the latest compatible are preview.26
what do you mean file ref?
turbid matrix
by file ref I mean I put this in manifest for generic testing:
"com.unity.render-pipelines.core": "file:C:/Unity/Graphics/com.unity.render-pipelines.core",
"com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition": "file:C:/Unity/Graphics/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition",
"com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition-config": "file:C:/Unity/Graphics/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition-config",
"com.unity.render-pipelines.universal": "file:C:/Unity/Graphics/com.unity.render-pipelines.universal",
"com.unity.shadergraph": "file:C:/Unity/Graphics/com.unity.shadergraph",
"com.unity.visualeffectgraph": "file:C:/Unity/Graphics/com.unity.visualeffectgraph",```ah
turbid matrix
I have Graphics repo cloned at C:\Unity\Graphics
you don't need that universal part but I've been testing cross-SRP functionality so that's why it's there
indigo summit
hmm locking specific srp version to a unity release sound too restrictive, that's mean we can't get any hotfix
turbid matrix
that was one of my points
basically with that setup, you'd have to update the engine to next minor release to get the fixes
and potentially get other bugs
indigo summit
oh yikes, going back to the old unity way
turbid matrix
in my books, that's like few steps forward in ease of use and 10 steps backwards in everything else (flexibility, maintenance)
yup, I'd really hate to see that happen
it's one of the thing Unity does currently better than competition
like, Unreal has plugins but they can't update them without whole engine update
and users pay the price for real there for that
indigo summit
PM and modular system are the best thing in unity
turbid matrix
anyway, related post here https://forum.unity.com/threads/what-is-next-for-us-at-unity-with-scriptable-render-pipelines.924218/
I wouldn't really object the git route for updates if it really were feasible
it's just not
indigo summit
user friendly
turbid matrix
it would need slim repo clone, discovery for different versions etc a lot of things current git integration isn't built for
but upm is
which makes it even more weird
indigo summit
a very deep submodules
turbid matrix
indigo summit
I'm really curious about this part on the new HD Template though, why do the glass eat the fps 🤔
if i disable the glass or remove the material the fps are increased just fine
dawn sorrel
@turbid matrix as the repo is huge, it makes very little sense to clone it via PM
can u tell how u clone via pm ?
turbid matrix
first of all you need git installed with git lfs (so you could for example use it from command line)
secondly, it's bit tricky to do with PM but there is support in PM when using 2020.1+ to use git directly from git paths
wind quiver
was linear fog removed?
turbid matrix
@dawn sorrel for example for HDRP, the path would be something like: https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics.git#v10.0.0-preview.26?path=/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition
but you'd need to do this manually for all SRP packages for it to work as it can't do dependencies via git automatically
so you'd need to do that for srp core, sg, vfx graph too
@wind quiver removed from what?
ripe fable
I think you just need to uncheck 'volumetric'
turbid matrix
I think it's exponential height fog in that case but I could be mistaken
I think there used to be naive linear fog in old PP package at least
but it's possible they never put it on HDRP or removed it as it's not in any way physically based thing
@wind quiver
so, looks like you have to roll out your own if you want it
it should be pretty basic custom PP pass effect
dawn sorrel
oh i need to install git ?
turbid matrix
PM's git functionality requires git to be on your system path and functional
it doesn't ship any git on it's own
ripe fable
I recommend git for your projects also, especially when dealing with packages like these. 😅
turbid matrix
that should work
dawn sorrel
@turbid matrix which one u are using ?
turbid matrix
not sure, probably that one
I also don't remember if you still need to install git lfs separately
dawn sorrel
should i use this to grab what i want from github ?
it seem easier to be true...
the export per folder seem not complete.
nova shore
guys i need help to set up the graphics settings in HDRP for my game cuz the ones out there arent working mainly the tutorials that are out there
turbid matrix
@nova shore https://forum.unity.com/threads/finding-your-way-in-hdrp-7-2-0-getting-started-settings-new-feature.833056/
nova shore
ok let me read that
lean crag
hello 🙂 does anyone has pointers as to how to write a new postfx in the urp stack in 2020 ? I had a blur effect written for the v2 in my project, which is now not working anymore. I removed the PP package, and I'm now trying to port it to work with the new namespace ( namespace UnityEngine.Rendering.PostProcessing to namespace UnityEngine.Rendering.Universal)
Is there any doc somewhere by any chance?
whole fossil
guys, has anyone experienced differences between 2020.1 beta with hdrp 8.1 and released 2020.1 with hdrp 8.2? My scenes appears a lot darker. I think i could probably crank the exposure up but i don't think it is the reason
robust cairn
Has anyone managed to get this asset to work in URP before? https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/vegetation/trees/conifers-botd-142076
weary fog
I have not experienced a difference in exposure
Maybe you need to rebuild your lighting or edit your ambient light settings?
whole fossil
The thing is - i didnt bake the lighting at all
There were no changes to lighting as well. Only the upgrade from 2020.1.0b13 to 2020.1.0f1 which upgraded hdrp also from 8.1.0 to 8.2.0
wind quiver
Anyone know how to simulate atmospheric scattering on far away mountains in HDRP?
I tried the fog blending to the sky colour but it looked off
iron flame
@wind quiver Try adding volumetric light (fog) and Physical based skybox.
wind quiver
I had a physically based skybox and it looked nice
Tried to use it with the fog but didn't work
maiden coral
@robust cairn urp has broken vegetation and foliage shaders.
wind quiver
Ill try adding the directional light as volumetric
empty peak
Is it possible to modify the HDRI sky at runtime? For example, I have a list of cubemaps and I randomly pick one to be the sky for that session. With the code below, I can see the HDRISky is updated in the gameobject volume but the old HDRI sky is still being rendered. Anybody have any ideas?
public HDRISky sky;
public Volume skyVolume;
public List<CubemapParameter> cubeMapVariations = new List<CubemapParameter>();
void Start()
{
skyVolume.profile.TryGet(out sky);
if (sky)
{
sky.hdriSky = cubeMapVariations [Random.Range(0, cubeMapVariations.Count)];
}
}
@maiden coral ahh I see. So I would have to build custom shaders to get this to work? Is there no other way of getting vegetation without it?
turbid matrix
@empty peak probably related to the update mode from hdri sky
altho "on changed" and "realtime" both should work on your case, only "on demand" should require manual invoke
uncut lintel
This may be the better area to ask my question. Does anyone know how to fix this error? Assembly has reference to non-existent assembly 'Unity.RenderPipelines.HighDefinition.Runtime'
whole fossil
guys, has anyone experienced differences between 2020.1 beta with hdrp 8.1 and released 2020.1 with hdrp 8.2? My scenes appears a lot darker. I think i could probably crank the exposure up but i don't think it is the reason
quoting myself but maybe someone will find it useful. HDRP 8.2 changes default compensation of exposure
maiden coral
@robust cairn I am in the same bottle like you, stuck with making my own vegetation shader.
dawn sorrel
@whole fossil is 2020.1 n hdrp 8.2 production ready ?
whole fossil
afaik yes. it is verified in the package manager
robust cairn
@maiden coral ah I see. I’m currently installing latest unity version and am wondering if it is any different there
turbid matrix
hmmm, saw this on unity github https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/HLODSystem
whole fossil
seems interesting
another question tho: how would you approach non box-shaped density volumes? I would basically want to achieve a polygonal density volume for my custom fog of war system
empty peak
@turbid matrix Thanks for the reply to https://discordapp.com/channels/489222168727519232/517108768933281843/737912011995873370
I tried changing the Update but it didn't seem to do anything. Very confused by it, especially given that I see the volume's HDRI Sky get changed on the object.
turbid matrix
@empty peak does it work if you manually drop different sky while the game is playing in the editor?
scarlet hull
@whole fossil Use a density volume texture (3D 1 channel texture 32x32x32 texture) to shape the fog volume like you want
And if one day I finish my work and land this branch, you'll be able to code any shape you want within a density volume : https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/tree/HDRP/custom-density-volumes
whole fossil
wow!
glad tartan
@turbid matrix Haven't checked but is this the HLOD system in the Auto LOD one as well? Or they have two separate HLOD systems and that one is embedded in the AutoLOD repo. Even DOTS has its own that was used in the MegaCity Demo.
dawn sorrel
can somone explain what probe volume do and its diffrences then normal gpu baking ?
should object be set to lighmap or probe ?
turbid matrix
@glad tartan yeah, I'm kinda confused
AutoLod uses this for HLOD: https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/AutoLOD/wiki/Scenelod
barren marsh
Hi why my texture2D become black in first method...
public Texture2D toTexture2D(RenderTexture rt2d)
{
Texture2D dest = new Texture2D(rt2d.width, rt2d.height, TextureFormat.RGBAHalf, false);
RenderTexture.active = rt2d;
Graphics.CopyTexture(rt2d, dest);
dest.Apply();
return dest;
}
public Texture2D toTexture2D_OldMethod(RenderTexture rTex)
{
Texture2D tex = new Texture2D(rTex.width, rTex.height, TextureFormat.RGBAHalf, false);
RenderTexture.active = rTex;
tex.ReadPixels(new Rect(0, 0, rTex.width, rTex.height), 0, 0);
tex.Apply();
return tex;
}
In the first method, you're copying the texture data with CopyTexture, that is copying GPU data.
The you use Apply, that applies CPU data to GPU
So you're copying the texture on GPU, but then send CPU to GPU data, but the texture on CPU is still "blank" (or black in that case)
barren marsh
Thanks @scarlet hull , is there any way to copy rendertexture to texture2d faster than second method ? I'm crawling over the net but can't find anything...
I'm ok with using c++ plugins too just need a good solution
barren marsh
@scarlet hull unfortunately it's still black here's my complete code , am I doing something wrong?
using UnityEngine;
public class StreamRender : MonoBehaviour
{
public int RenderWidth = 1920;
public int RenderHeight = 1080;
private Camera cam;
private RenderTexture rt;
void Start()
{
cam = GetComponent<Camera>();
rt = new RenderTexture(RenderWidth, RenderHeight, 0);
cam.targetTexture = rt;
cam.Render();
}
private Texture2D toTexture2D(RenderTexture rt2d)
{
Texture2D dest = new Texture2D(rt2d.width, rt2d.height, TextureFormat.RGBAHalf, false);
RenderTexture.active = rt2d;
Graphics.CopyTexture(rt2d, dest);
return dest;
}
private void OnRenderImage(RenderTexture source, RenderTexture destination)
{
Texture2D renderT2D = toTexture2D(source);
System.IO.File.WriteAllBytes("RenderDump.png", renderT2D.EncodeToPNG());
Debug.Log("render dumped");
}
}
@turbid matrix great question. Very interesting behavior. If I have my volume script enabled (that which sets a new HDRI Sky dynamically) then if I drag a new sky in manually at runtime it does not work or have any impact on the rendered sky. However, if I disable my script and just hit play, I can manually edit the volume with a new sky and it works.
dawn sorrel
@lean crag no custom post processing available in URP, but you can inject custom render passes into the renderer and do the same thing post processing does in your renderer feature. https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/UniversalRenderingExamples
The only issue I haven't figured out is why my custom passes break when I set them to inject after post processing instead of before. Something's fucking with the camera color target there.
If you figure it out, please ping me.
hasty tiger
Anyone know why the SRP Batcher is showing negative batches saved?
I tried disabling it, but tris and verts went way up, so I think it's just showing incorrectly in the stats window?
neon sentinel
hey im trying to use the lightweight render engine so i can use shader graph, how do i do that
the unity documentation said to create some sort of asset with lightweight after i added it via package manager but it isnt showing up as an option, even after installing it
dawn sorrel
@neon sentinel first of all, it's been renamed to URP.
neon sentinel
i see
dawn sorrel
Secondly, the easiest option is to create a new project and pick the URP preset.
@neon sentinel
neon sentinel
thanks 😄
trim bone
@hasty tiger i think the editor just isnt showing the correct info, i also get negative numbers but my performance is improved with it enabled
turbid matrix
as a random thought AFTER hackweek 2020 is gone: someone should totally pitch an idea for future hackweek etc to make fast path for HDRP that would skip majority of the common overhead and take simplest route for all things, neglecting fancy feats
Unreal has "SimpleForward" mode that only has very limited featureset but runs even on older laptops integrated gpu's etc
that being said, is SimpleLit shader still a thing on HDRP?
fierce river
So Ive been using the UDRP 2D Render Pipeline for 2D lights...
Ive been using sorting layers and things to get it working for weeks now..
All the sudden I added a new sprite... made a new sorting layer... and placed the sorting layer in my light..
But its not being affected :(
Im just utterly confused
it effects the block
but not the purifier base
It doesnt make any sense... I have the sorting layer right on top of the block
and both are included in my light
atomic zinc
Hello ! I'm trying to use a custom shader with the Tilemap Renderer in URP 2D (7.3.1). Using the stencil buffer, I'm able to mask things outside of the renderer bounds, but it doesn't care about the alpha inside of the bounds. Any idea about how to proceed ?
Code here : https://forum.unity.com/threads/tilemaprenderer-custom-shader-witg-2d-renderer-in-urp-7-3-1.943236/
Tilemap parameters :
Blood parameters :
mossy stag
should I spread grass fields (on HDRP) with trees system?
midnight glacier
Is there a way to show post processing in the scene tab? (URP)
fiery marsh
@midnight glacier There's a dropdown to toggle that, along with fog and other effects.
midnight glacier
Alright, thank you
dawn sorrel
@mossy stag since it looks like detail shaders are never gonna get fixed, that's one free option. Another one is DrawInstancedIndirect with meshes. And the last one is what I did which is just buy a vegetation asset(in my case Nature Renderer).
mossy stag
As an another options I was thinkig about converting gameobjects to entites
becouse trees system doesn't allow to change rotation of "trees"
dawn sorrel
@mossy stag talking out of my ass here but not sure if Hybrid Renderer will be faster than DrawInstancedIndirect.
But dropping gameobjects at runtime sounds like a great idea.
twin zealot
This is pretty vague, but does anyone have an estimate on the performance benefits of creating a custom scripted pipeline vs using URP with basically every feature turned off?
My game literally only uses a single vertex colour shader. Eventually it may need some UI stuff as well - but I might just be able to do that in 3D objects, haha.
hoary roost
Can anyone help me figure out how to get this post processing effect to happen anywhere inside of my stack instead of only afterwards? I'd love to be able to apply chromatic abberation and color grading after this effect but as it stands right now, this can only work when set to occur after all other post processing effects: https://unitylist.com/p/yvu/Ordered-Dithering-Mono-Channel
rich spade
@hoary roost at a guess it's probably to do with this line public override CustomPostProcessInjectionPoint injectionPoint => CustomPostProcessInjectionPoint.AfterPostProcess;
in file OrderedDitheringColorMonoEffect.cs
You could try altering this to inject at a different point
hoary roost
Oooh I see!
What injection point should I use if I want it to be mixed in with my other post effects? Or should I leave that out?
rich spade
@hoary roost I would assume BeforePostProcess depends what options there are. have a play around and see what works. I could be barking up the wrong tree 😉
harsh tree
@hazy inlet Lighting window.
Is Subsurface scattering possible in URP? I can't seem to find a tutorial anywhere.
hollow frigate
Has anyone else run into an issue where lighting completely changes after pausing and unpausing in-editor?
harsh tree
Fog is on by default when you import URP. It's there.
fierce river
Why are two cubes with the same material.... different colors
They both have the same settings
except for size and scale obviously
Im using the HDRP DXR Raytracing renderer
harsh tree
Fix the scale. One is .03
fierce river
@harsh tree How could the scale change the color, also which gameobject
harsh tree
Its most likely the light map trying to find space on the object. There is none. So its messing up.
You should really be modeling in Blender. I dont think there is a way to apply the scale in unity.
fierce river
Yeah sure I can model this in blender... but then Ill have to rebuild the house anyways
for the colliders
Also
What the living hell is this??
harsh tree
You should also add a texture before you worry about shadows. They will look different
sage bane
I have two tilemaps, one for the foreground and one for the background. I'm using URP. How would I make the background tilemap darker than the foreground one? I'm assuming I could use a shader but I don't know how to do that.
turbid matrix
You should really be modeling in Blender.
I'd tear my hair off if I had to do this but I'll keep the DCC tool comparisons off this channel :p
as actual channel topic, cloud layer has second layer now: https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/1481
whole fossil
guys, are lift, gamma, gain controls in HDRP 9.X / 2020.1.0f1 are still broken? it looks like it but I cannot believe this
ripe fable
Same for regular lights/shadows, and most DXR features, HDRP 9.x and 10.x have been broken since the beginning of June. I'm not sure if all of this is somehow slipping through the automated tests, or if they're waiting for something on the editor side.
onyx sable
I recently moved some stuff to an HDRP project and I'm getting some odd display issues. It looks like things are fading in, and leaving trails- clearly related to time, somehow. I'm not even sure where to start looking for the cause. Any ideas? here is a vid: https://gyazo.com/dcaca4ffde9df59e25cdf0e883a23498
turbid matrix
considering 9.x is never supposed to be used in production, about everything could be broken
and first stable 10.x is probably still a long way ahead
@whole fossil ^
whole fossil
that explains a bit, but i thought since it was apparently in 8.2.0 the 9.X will do just fine
turbid matrix
it's not that uncommon for a ton of things to break on HDRP when they do big changes like now on 9.x and 10.x
turbid matrix
8.2 only has few smaller feats in addition to 7.x
anyway, it's summer, there's holidays and stuff, things will inevitably progress slower this time of year
onyx sable
Think I figured ot my Q from before. Issue was using Temporal AntiAliasing on a SECOND camera.
stiff yew
So I'm procedurally generating a texture at runtime that I render on a quad already in the scene, everything works so far and now I want to generate a normal map at runtime and assign it to the same material
the thing is I have height information and I wish to convert that to a normal map
unity shows me how to do that in the editor, but I haven't found any up-to-date documentation on how to do that at runtime
would anyone care to enlighten me on that ?
there is this page https://docs.unity3d.com/2020.1/Documentation/ScriptReference/TextureImporter-convertToNormalmap.html but I can't seem to use it
daring condor
Hey everyone! I've published an asset to the asset store for the standard pipeline. Does anyone have documentation they can link to me for providing URP and HDRP versions of an asset to the asset store?
hoary roost
Does anybody have any tips for someone that wants to create a custom post processing effect that can be layered in with the standard post processing effects, rather than just before or after? Like what if I wanted to have my shader happen after bloom but before chromatic abberation?
whole fossil
Take a look at the post processing implementation by yourself. Afaik there is no built-in way to do so (at least in hdrp) but it should be relatively easy to inject your code there
hoary roost
The code for the post processing volumes in unity are exposed to editing?
whole fossil
Not directly. You would have to fork the pipeline to do so
scarlet hull
@stiff yew To convert height to normal at runtime, you will have to do the calculation yourself. Basically, for each pixel of the texture, do right-left pixel value for normal X, and top-bottom pixel value for normal Y
indigo summit
I'd tear my hair off if I had to do this but I'll keep the DCC tool comparisons off this channel :p
@turbid matrix what is the context here? 🤔
turbid matrix
I just frown a bit every time someone presents blender as only alternative for in-engine modeling / using primitives
but yes, it's off topic too
scarlet hull
I think (not even sure here) that you can do it if you write your own custom pass code
runic fox
but the docs say I should have some buffers for read/write https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@7.1/manual/Custom-Pass.html
undone zephyr
Hello - I've created my own SRP and things are going great. I'm also working on converting an old effect to SRP with a concept similar to the render features found in URP. I've basically everything solved except for one thing. In the previous default forward pipeline the effect uses this:
private void OnRenderImage(RenderTexture source, RenderTexture destination)
{
...
RenderTexture.active = destination;
GL.PushMatrix();
GL.LoadOrtho();
GL.Begin(GL.QUADS);
// Bottom left corner.
GL.MultiTexCoord2(0, 0.0f, 0.0f);
GL.Vertex3(0.0f, 0.0f, 3.0f);
// Bottom right corner.
GL.MultiTexCoord2(0, 1.0f, 0.0f);
GL.Vertex3(1.0f, 0.0f, 2.0f);
// Top right corner.
GL.MultiTexCoord2(0, 1.0f, 1.0f);
GL.Vertex3(1.0f, 1.0f, 1.0f);
// Top left corner.
GL.MultiTexCoord2(0, 0.0f, 1.0f);
GL.Vertex3(0.0f, 1.0f, 0.0f);
GL.End();
GL.PopMatrix();
RenderTexture.active = null;
I cannot figure out
I would appreciate any and all information on this - I'm stuck
undone zephyr
oh do I just want DrawProcedural?
broken lichen
@undone zephyr I found this note in the Graphics.Blit documentation page:
Note that if you want to use a depth or stencil buffer that is part of the source (Render)texture, you have to manually write an equivalent of the Graphics.Blit function - i.e. Graphics.SetRenderTarget with destination color buffer and source depth buffer, setup orthographic projection (GL.LoadOrtho), setup material pass (Material.SetPass) and draw a quad (GL.Begin).
undone zephyr
ah so the author likely needed the depth or stencil buffer? Is that what we can conclude from those notes?
broken lichen
If you say the effect breaks when using Blit, then yeah I'd guess so. What is the effect?
undone zephyr
at this point it's writing some data to a mask texture from a second camera
and the effect does involve depth and optional stencils
so I think that's point 1 solved for
Brilliant thank you
candid basin
@broken lichen I remember you using rendering layer masks, I'm using context.DrawRenderers and then some filteringSettings with a specified renderingLayerMask
this works fine when I use renderingLayerMask = 2
but when I use like 4, it doesn't work
do you have any idea why?
broken lichen
Doesn't work how?
It's a mask, so 4 in binary is 100, so it's rendering only the third layer
layer 2
candid basin
aah ,so if I do renderingLayerMask = 4 it corresponds to 'Layer3'
broken lichen
Yes. To make it more clear in code, you can make a mask with bit shifting:
int layerMask = 1 << 4;
That's taking the integer 1 and shifting the bits 4 times to the left
candid basin
Wonderful that seems to work, thanks!
runic fox
So far I've found a EncodeIntoNormalBuffer function to be useful. But I still can't understand how to ouput to the standard G-buffer
I can output to some of my render textures, but not to the main G-buffer that Unity uses. =\
runic fox
how can I get an RT handle for internal HDRP deferred G buffer?
cobalt idol
did BuiltinRenderTextureType.GBuffer0 work? I've only used forward, but saw it listed
undone zephyr
so for my previous question ( how can I replace this GL call in SRP ) I believe DrawProcedural to be working. If that doesn't sound right to anyone I'd love to hear your thoughts.
runic fox
@cobalt idol thanks, man. I've managed to find a solutio
you have to write a CS pass class with an execute method like this
then, in your pass shader, you can do stuff like this
but make sure your other tests (like ZTest) are actually set accordingly
cobalt idol
nice
I'm currently trying to figure out what changed on Graphics.Blit from the previous SRP version - my postprocess no longer seems to have _CameraDepthTexture set, whereas it did in the previous version 🤔
So I guess, do you prefer DrawFullScreen over Blit with your shader for (what I assume is a screen based snow post process?)
runic fox
wild guess, man!
yes, you are right, I'm now implementing a screen-space weather system
Let me see. Would you recommend bliting then?
I'm trying to develop stuff as close as possible to Unity's architecture itself.
Oh, now I see. You've noticed the variable ^^
runic fox
is it possible to have multiple DrawFullScreen in a single execute?
runic fox
the answer is yes)
is it possible to change the color buffer before the deferred lighting pass?
vague nexus
Sorry for disturbing
I just added HDRP to my project. However, I now have a problem with some textures (the transparent areas are shown in black and the invalid MinMaxAABB error is displayed). researched on the internet but found nothing helpful. Does anyone know how to fix this?
this is my first time i dont use the default render pipeline
waxen lantern
https://forum.unity.com/threads/what-is-next-for-us-at-unity-with-scriptable-render-pipelines.924218/
@tight pendant re: URP to HDRP path is planned for the future
runic fox
Is it possible to reference a custom buffer in a shader graph?
broken lichen
@runic fox You can, if it's in a global variable
Or you can pass it directly to the material/renderer
celest heath
Does urp has its own post process thing?
i tried to use post process volume 2, but it hits so hard at performance with urp
runic fox
@broken lichen I see, thank you.
How can I make a custom renderers pass that has alpha test on?
seems like it completely ignores such
broken lichen
@runic fox This is in HDRP?
runic fox
Right, the alpha-blending works just fine, I can even do it via shader graph, but the alpha clipping is completely ignored.
hollow frigate
runic fox
is it possible to detect if shader graph if we are rendering a shadow map or a view from camera?
rugged burrow
Is there a performance benefit to using the 2D URP pipeline over the regular 3D URP one? I really want to use VFX graph but that still does not work with 2d. I'm considering just switching to the 3d one.
rugged burrow
Nevermind i can't get urp lighting to work with sprites so i'm stuck with the 2d renderer. yay
scenic jay
@runic fox with a custome node you can
https://forum.unity.com/threads/alpha-clip-dither-and-keep-original-shadows.781412/#post-5212907
latent trail
I have a weird issue with deferred vs forward that I can't really find anything on:
I'm adding some object space wobble to my vertex shader before going to clip space. It looks great in the editor, but when viewed through a camera the shader bugs out as I move the camera around the scene. This only happens under forward rendering. Deferred works fine while preserving the look. Anyone know what this could be and what I could do to fix it?
This seems similar in nature to my issue, though this person used a default shader:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Unity3D/comments/3wstms/weird_rendering_problem_when_using_forward_render/cxyspp4/
this code works perfectly in deferred and terribly in forward
cobalt idol
@latent trail does behaviour change if you disable batching?
Think I just found a bug on Universal RP 8.2.0 - the UNITY_UV_STARTS_AT_TOP macro returns false for web GL (previous version it returned true)
latent trail
oh shit i forgot about batching
cobalt idol
(I don't actually know which is the correct return! just that on my project the behaviour changed)
latent trail
let me switch it off real quick
ayeeeeee that did it
thank you so much lol. that was obvious but i just didnt think of it. ill have to work around batching then
cobalt idol
np 🙂
Think I just found a bug on Universal RP 8.2.0 - the
UNITY_UV_STARTS_AT_TOPmacro returns false for web GL (previous version it returned true)
@cobalt idol false alarm, forgot the include 🤦
whole fossil
guys, I'm kinda desperate with Graphics.DrawMeshInstanced meshes not being affected by lights if light layers are used here https://forum.unity.com/threads/lightlayers-with-instanced-rendering.885772/
I am unable to utilize lightlayers (which I need really bad) and I suppose that decal layers will also fall into this. Could someone bump this post up or let me know who to mention there to gain a little bit of attention?
runic fox
@runic fox with a custome node you can
https://forum.unity.com/threads/alpha-clip-dither-and-keep-original-shadows.781412/#post-5212907
@scenic jay wow, man, this is RAD. thank you!!!
ember ether
i am upgradeing my project from urp to hdrp with openvr xr set up.
everything was super stable with urp.
when i installed hdrp i am getting a unity crash almost every 5 mins n when i push play.
is openvr just not rdy for hdrp?
is there any steps i can take to look into this more?
unity 2019
whole fossil
have you tried rebuilding library?
ember ether
how do i rebuild the library? in render settings?
runic fox
can standard unity's terrain heightmap be accessed within some arbitrary shader?
rich spade
the heightmap is available in C#, so you could push it to a shader.
Screen depth is another option, depends what your looking to do with it... many ways one could probably get the data
if you look into Unities terrain shader is some definitions for the texture too which you can use in another shader directly
whole fossil
how do i rebuild the library? in render settings?
@ember ether close the project and manually delete Library folder. Then reopen the project again. Unity will rebuils the library that way
runic fox
if you look into Unities terrain shader is some definitions for the texture too which you can use in another shader directly
@rich spade thank you for your response. I'm trying to dynamically calculate the height of foliage via shader.
The height of the current fragment above the ground to be more specific.
wraith light
Is there any way to set Different shadow distance for different scenes in URP. Is there any way to animate it. Please help
river mortar
i dont know anything in life anymore
wraith light
I got the solution https://gist.github.com/JimmyCushnie/e998cdec15394d6b68a4dbbf700f66ce
river mortar
good
turbid matrix
apparently one can put custom render texture as HDRP 10's cloud layer map:
don't mind the programmer art
just wired few noises in amplify to drive that thing
nothing I feed to the cloud layer uses color, I only get white texture from it (which one can tint using cloud layer component's own tint)
hmmm, I just read the doc from latest master: The Cloud Map is a 2D texture in LatLong layout (sometimes called Cylindrical or Equirectangular) that contains cloud opacity in the red channel.
hmmm, I guess I should just try this with this PR: https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/1481
well, this lets you set the opacity channel (which is weird), doesn't let us color the sky manually and the CRT stopped updating on the sky
so I guess they cache the sky somewhere else for the cloud shadows etc
turbid matrix
apparently the clouds darker parts are supposed to work via raymarched lighting but I didn't manage to setup it myself
looking at the test scene 5010 does shows it in action though
their test scene with procedural motion
iron flame
It's hard to do at night with HDRP Physically based sky.
designed entirely for daytime.
0.1Lux Directional light, fixed exposure, Blue fog color. Directional light surface texture worked better than I expected 🙂
late schooner
actual film is hard to shoot in darkness, that's not really a Unity problem
day-for-night color grading in movies isn't necessarily a cost problem
kindred kiln
How can I see time in ms for each drawcall?
Unity enables Multithreaded Rendering by default if the graphics API permits it. To disable Multithreaded Rendering (generally for profiling purposes), go to the Player Settings (menu: Edit > Project Settings > Player) window, scroll down and uncheck the Multithreaded Rendering checkbox.
Where is this?
turbid matrix
its an be combined with HDRI and flowmap?
@drifting vault it's just a cloudmap (lat long image with clouds on different channels which you can mix as you want) and procedural motion set for distortion (instead of flowmap). it actually has pretty nasty looping effect that's not seen on that short clip
kinda wish they'll add the render texture support back in, or provide some other mean to feed in fully procedural clouds
after seeing the raymarching thing in action, it would feel silly if they didn't so I bet they have something like that already planned
weary fog
You can kind of see some nasty looping, for some reason the clouds turn really dark at the end of the video
turbid matrix
kinda, but there's even more noticeable looping later on, what you see on that clip is raymarching popping a bit
what I mean by looping here is that you can literally tell it's same image panned for really tiny distance
crimson quartz
Where can i found info about Keywards for DOTS hybrid render shaders?
turbid matrix
@crimson quartz comparison table at https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.rendering.hybrid@0.7/manual/index.html says shader keywords are coming 2021
runic fox
how to create a custom terrain shader in HDRP?
scarlet hull
This is no terrain master node yet for shadergraph, but you can create a graph with a lit master node and explicitly set the terrain splat maps as inputs for the layering
Or, if you're brave enough, copy and modify the HDRP/terrain shader
viral flower
Hey anybody here?
scarlet hull
You should just try dropping your question @viral flower
viral flower
Ay ok
So I’m working on a horror game in HDRP with my team, and 1 guy can’t run the game at more than 20 FPS even though I’ve tried every solution I can possibly find. At the same time, I get a 400fps boost when I lower all the settings
He’s running a intel 515 as the gpu and Intel m7 vpro
scarlet hull
intel HD graphics 515 as GPU ? Well, this seems very low end, so I'm not so much surprised
drifting vault
only one solution , buy to him a better GPU 😄
vague nexus
I just added HDRP to my project. However, I now have a problem with some textures (the transparent areas are shown in black and the invalid MinMaxAABB error is displayed). researched on the internet but found nothing helpful. Does anyone know how to fix this?
weary fog
what I mean by looping here is that you can literally tell it's same image panned for really tiny distance
does the whole thing loop at the same time or is it spaced out with noise?
turbid matrix
it's more like layered looking thing to me
since the cloud is just one color, they get away with it
well, until the raymarching artifacts and noticeable looping gets in :p
but yeah, it's wip
inner parcel
is it normal to only have post processing under volume in urp?
i had many options in hdrp
ionic tangle
Small issue with PointLights here, using HDRP.
I have some PointLights doing no realtime lighting (behaving like they are baked) and some behave like realtime lights (doing nothing on lightmap).
They are all at the same intensity, and all are in Mixed mode.
Any ideas ?
glad tartan
is it normal to only have post processing under volume in urp?
@inner parcel Yea, that's the only thing integrated in the volume framework for URP. HDRP and URP aren't the same thing so the options you get there won't be equivalent for URP.
Small issue with PointLights here, using HDRP.
I have some PointLights doing no realtime lighting (behaving like they are baked) and some behave like realtime lights (doing nothing on lightmap).
They are all at the same intensity, and all are in Mixed mode.
Any ideas ?
@ionic tangle Mixed mode means the lights are realtime but they also contribute to the lightmaps for baked lighting as well.
ionic tangle
@glad tartan Yeah but as you can see on the screenshots, some contribute to the lightmap, and some don't.
Those contributing to lightmap, behave like they are not in mixed (don't project any realtime shadows)
inner parcel
@glad tartan i see. and theres no AA post processing in URP?
glad tartan
@inner parcel That's on the camera just as it is with HDRP.
@ionic tangle Yea, that's a weird issue you're having. I would say double check the lights just to make sure they are set correctly and if everything is good then file a bug report
You can use the Lighting Window to view all the lights and their settings at once. Not 100% sure this is the accurate location but it should be somewhere here Window -> Rendering - > Lighting Settings
inner parcel
aight thankss
ionic tangle
Okay I found, it's in the manual (from an old version of the manual, nothing is said about this since Unity 5.6)
If shadowmasks are enabled, Light Probes also store occlusion information for up to four Lights. If more than four Lights intersect, the excess Lights fall back to Baked Lights.
It stores occlusion information for up to four Lights per texel (because Textures are limited to up to four channels on current GPUs).
dim saddle
I just upgraded my game to the High Definition Rendering Pipeline
but i'm having some issues
particle systems are purple squares
and everything is gray/black
while it looks normal from scene view
maybe someone knows what i should do?
glad tartan
@dim saddle HDRP uses different shaders from the Built-in Render pipeline. You need to either create shaders for your particles with Shader Graph oe use the provides shaders from the sample pack. This is on the HDRP Package in the Package Manager
glad tartan
could be a lot of things
Lighting could be the main one
If you look at your materials and they have the textures assigned then it's most likely the lighting. Incorrect light values as well as incorrect exposure and old lightmaps can cause a scene to look washed out
dim saddle
if i switch this shader from the particle system to one of the sample it should work?
i forgot a little how shaders work
Is there also a button, when you switch back to the old one to also convert the materials back?
inner parcel
@dim saddle you need to add volume to your scene first
and assign it to lighting tab
dim saddle
what do you mean with assign it to lighting tab?
dawn sorrel
@ionic tangle sir that a good render
will you please give info on what version of unity and hdrp and if u are using bakery or just the gpu light mapper ?
ionic tangle
@dawn sorrel Thanks !
Unity 2019.4.0f1 - HDRP 7.3.1 - GPU lightmapper
But as found on the manual, that's just how shadowmasks work
dawn sorrel
@ionic tangle hmm u just gave me hope with the gpu lightmapper.
ionic tangle
ah ?
my settings are pretty cranked up to achieve this tho. Lightmap resolution is at 256.
dawn sorrel
really ? 256 i use 1024 and things are not working for me ?
cpu or gpu mode ?
am strugling with uv overlaps.
ionic tangle
dawn sorrel
ahahahaha
the joke is on me then.
@ionic tangle i bet u have an rtx 2080 or even a rtx 5000
ionic tangle
11
dawn sorrel
rtx 2060 is fast but not enough memory for such qiallity
inner parcel
how can i disable ray tracing in here?
getting really poor fps (15fps) in hdrp with around 10 mesh objects and 20 lights all baked.
while getting upto 80fps in urp
waxen lantern
@inner parcel it's not the most obvious UI/UX but that to me means raytracing is not available at all, and if it were it would be enabled here, but it's not actually enabled at the moment. meaning your performance issues are caused by something else.
a possible cause is the cost of 20 real-time lights (that you mean to only have baked) in a forward render path (vs deferred which performs much better with many real-time lights.)
I would recommend using deferred whenever possible with HDRP anyway
waxen lantern
@inner parcel having said that, HDRP will generally always take a heavier toll on performance than URP due to the increased fidelity, with a larger performance gap on lower spec hardware. It's hard to say what that disparity is exactly without knowing every detail about your project, scene, settings and your hardware specs. I also recommend getting familiar with the performance profiler to gain insight to exactly what's eating up your GPU and CPU performance budget: https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/Profiler.html
inner parcel
@waxen lantern Thank you for taking your time for very informative replies. As for the lighting I have 2 directional lights, 26point light with not more than 25 range. All of them baked.
I was using deferred aswell in the beginning and i switched after referring this post https://forum.unity.com/threads/huge-performance-hit-with-hdrp-vs-built-in-pipeline.729416/
Also the reason I believe its ray tracing is because its on even in the hdrp settings from panel which i cant seem to disable. I've tested every other setting but I cant possibly find anything that could help
waxen lantern
@inner parcel you would know if you enabled raytracing, it's a multi-step process
the UI is just a bit confusing how it shows those greyed out checkboxes
inner parcel
I see. Profiler gave me a ~12 ms approx at "render loop" if i recall it correctly
I'll profile it again and share it here. The scene isnt much complex and the fps is still very less even if I disable the volume gameobject
waxen lantern
you're going to want to enable the GPU profiler module
the CPU profiler will just say 12ms in render loop but the GPU profiler will break down those 12 ms and you can see the details
inner parcel
Great.. I'll check that out
waxen lantern
the CPU is likely just waiting on the GPU for those 12ms
gilded knot
what state is RTX in?
inner parcel
@waxen lantern here is the output of profiling
rich spade
@inner parcel just curious, what is your GPU?
inner parcel
tried on intel hd620 and gtx 960 with almost same results
havent profiled on gtx 960 because thats not my work pc but i just ran a build on it which hit 25fps
indigo summit
Alright i just want to make sure is IndirectInstancing are supported with HDRP or not? it seems the info in the forum are mixed
dim saddle
is there a different way to add shadows when using HDRP?
bc there are none atm
nvm got it
i had this particle system before switching to HDPR. what do i need to change the shader to to make it work again? now it is just random squares in a purple color
is it something from the sample pack?
queen pivot
hmm, why when i install HDRP package manually it pop out a configuration page with tons of errors? just select fix all and create one when ask?
@dim saddle , under Edit > Render Pipeline > Upgrade project material to HD materials
do backup your project before you try it
waxen lantern
Alright i just want to make sure is IndirectInstancing are supported with HDRP or not? it seems the info in the forum are mixed
@indigo summit yes, i'm pretty sure, but only hand-coded shaders, not in shadergraph yet (though that is on the unity graphics roadmap.)
is it something from the sample pack?
@dim saddle yes it is, try ParticleUnlit from the HDRP particle shader samples
dim saddle
:/
indigo summit
@indigo summit yes, i'm pretty sure, but only hand-coded shaders, not in shadergraph yet (though that is on the unity graphics roadmap.)
@waxen lantern dangit, hand coded shaders for HDRP are a total maze for me
drifting vault
ok ok HDRP. Some reason volumetric light have conflict with alpha clipping materials 😦
pallid rune
i added URP through the package manager
set it as the thing in project settings
but i cant add 2d lights
dawn sorrel
@drifting vault in alpha mat thick the fog option
waxen lantern
@waxen lantern dangit, hand coded shaders for HDRP are a total maze for me
@indigo summit I hear you --we are all feeling a frustration when writing shader code for SRPs one way or another, see this announcement on the forum (if you haven't already) for more info on how Unity will be addressing that:
What's Next for SRPs: https://forum.unity.com/threads/what-is-next-for-us-at-unity-with-scriptable-render-pipelines.924218/
glad crane
Is there a way to change this setting with URP? https://xavie.ru/i/1ILIob3.png
I'm trying to get bloom to work with translucency in a rendertexture with URP
turbid matrix
oh... 10.0.0-preview.27 is on unity registry now
I was expecting them to wait for 2020.2 betas 🙂
it does require 2020.2.0a20 though (not out yet)
drifting vault
hmmm, maybe URP 10x will come too with AO and shadowmask support? 
dawn sorrel
@turbid matrix nice news
willow parcel
Any1 know how to overlap main object by a child object from other object like
A
..B
C
And B overlap C 😐(sorry if isnt a channel for that question dont really get for what it is)
fallen plover
@willow parcel Drag and drop
willow parcel
sorry i didnt say i mean UI objects
fallen plover
@willow parcel can you provide a screen shot
willow parcel
I want to red painted object overlap this with black paint
I set to this red a highter layer but thats not enougth
willow parcel
Litteraly all projects are 3D xd u can just ignoring the fact Z axis is existing
And thats not enought
i put red to -3000 and te black to 3000 and for sure reverse too but nothing is change 😐
i think issue is in Hierarchy so main object overlap child of another main object
fallen plover
Oops You tried all the options I tried to solve the problem 😔
willow parcel
😦 yeah still thanks
that's really strange thing to fight with hierarchy but i dont see better way 😦
inner parcel
Not the channel for such stuff buddy. You'll have better luck in the correct channel
To overlap an object with another try to make the gameobject you wish to appear at the top appear after the gameobject you want to hide in hierarchy
willow parcel
Yeah that would be pretty easy if UI havent be scalable properly so need a Vertical/Horizontal/Layout Groups
inner parcel
Just make it
c
a
..b
inner parcel
Why not place PanelMenu gameobject as the first child of Terrain
willow parcel
Cuase is Vertical group with lock X Y positions
So they have to be placed in hierarchy correctly to the look you want get
And its required to keep nice positions at any screen resolution (im creating game for android devices so they many diffrent pixel screen resolutions, DPI, even they are not only phones like tablet)
winter epoch
Does anyone know how to add Visual Effect component by script? My code compiles but no visual effect component shows up in the inspector. I'm adding the component in object's start event.
inner parcel
Seems something fundamentally wrong in your design buddy. I dont know why vertical group lock should bother you for the main content holder, or maybe i didnt understand what all gameobjects are at the screen correctly.
#📲┃ui-ux try this channel out. Its exactly meant for this purpose @willow parcel
willow parcel
Guys u know strange whiteline with sometimes appear on tilemap?
How to fight same thing at canva?
whole fossil
Guys u know strange whiteline with sometimes appear on tilemap?
How to fight same thing at canva?
@willow parcel wrong channel, seriously
willow parcel
@whole fossil Instead of say wrong channel greater would be if u say with is correct
whole fossil
Someone did it couple messages ago
flat temple
In HDRP, how to get several planar reflection probes to work together ?
I have 3 different mirrors, each with their own probe, but somehow only one of them has its planar active at a time and I can't figure out why.
The others only display the basic reflection probe, so it's not even like they were getting their own planar overriden by the first or something.
stuck roost
can anyone tell me why lightmapping is not displayed?
HDRP 7.3.1
inner parcel
Is there still any point light limit to a specific object in an URP scene?
vital lichen
ohh I just noticed this channel
I posted this is general chat but ill post here incase anyone sees it as it seems like correct place for it. experiencing this bug with URP and custom shaders/Render Textures I found a workaround and reported it just figured maybe others have experienced it. ```basically when I use custom shaders and compute shaders attached to a script. a little window pops up in the scene view instead of it rendering to the game view.
when I maximize everything goes black, and when I rotate the camera the window that pops up actually moves and I can see my shader render its just being controlled via scene rotation and displaying on that small window. kind of funny
when I use a render texture it works on game view but is still controlled via the Scene view. only happens in URP in non urp this doesnt happen```
thats a link to the video i sent unity team in my bug report
crimson quartz
Moved project to 2020.1 from 2019.3. And Change render to URP. Also project using addressables and when using objects loaded from addressables they doesn't render, but its okey with directly using objects without addressables. Any tips what should i check ?
dawn sorrel
so i wanted to optemize my car game under dxr , i found that an empty object takes 7 fps ... the empty object was a pivot for the driver (there is no driver mesh) 🙂
must be dxr limitation of some kind.
turbid matrix
indigo summit
ooh nice
turbid matrix
I'll welcome every perf improvement to realtime lighting 🙂
well, shadows in this case but I mean now no baked lights/shadows
indigo summit
yeah i've been dreaming to have mixed shadow caching in unity 😄
turbid matrix
meanwhile, https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/commits/HDRP/ssr_improvement did get temporal denoising, I tested this actually 3 days ago
it's still far too alive but at least it's making progress
I wonder if they could use some blur filter to fix the rest
indigo summit
is it still glossy ssr only?
drifting vault
epic unity updates with lightings 😄
indigo summit
you mean "unity update with lightings"? 😅
drifting vault
yea , haha
@indigo summit a capsule shadows or how it was called available on HDRP 10x only?
indigo summit
i don't think it's been merged though 😦
drifting vault
alright
turbid matrix
is it still glossy ssr only?
@indigo summit the only thing they've really changed here is how rough reflections work. basically with this branch they sample the rough materials with blue noise and then try to smooth it with temporal denoising
if you've used current unity dxr reflections on rough material, it's doing essentially same thing
indigo summit
and the reflection getting blurred on rough surface?
turbid matrix
no blur atm afaik, only temporal denoise
I think they need additional blur though because it's far too much "alive" atm from the noise
turbid matrix
this is same change as here: https://discordapp.com/channels/489222168727519232/517108768933281843/735957045739651103, they've just added temporal denoising
indigo summit
ah i see
turbid matrix
not sure what you mean by glossy... this would literally work for the whole range
indigo summit
sharp reflection
turbid matrix
yeah, this is there to fix that
one thing I wonder about the denoising is that could this stuff be denoised in a single pass for both reflections and AO?
dreamy fox
Glad people like the mixed cached shadows, will likely be a huge win for lots of projects with a small cost in terms of memory though.
I also saw someone talking about capsule shadows, it was an hackweek project we did, we might consider that for HDRP at some point or we may not, nothing is decided and for now is to be considered only as such, an hackweek project 🙂
turbid matrix
@dreamy fox I'm really looking forward to the mixed cached shadows, you know if this is still making to 2020.2 or is it locked already?
I noticed the c++ PR hasn't landed yet
dreamy fox
Probably will, but not sure yet.
indigo summit
@dreamy fox please consider the capsule shadow 😄
turbid matrix
I can imagine it's getting close now
I know unreal has those capsule shadows but I don't really know if many actually use them there
drifting vault
@dreamy fox would be cool to see capsule shadows =D
I believe that if apply around character capsule shadows - then cast shadows from 10 capsules will be more perform and look better than cast shadows from character itslef with 80k polygons
turbid matrix
that's the intended usage, yes
indigo summit
it looks great on full baked scene
dreamy fox
@indigo summit at the moment most of the work on SRP is mostly going to be focused on bug fixing, performance and stability. We will discuss what to do in terms of features later on.
Not saying they we will never do them, but at this moment it was just a fun hackweek project me and few other folks did. We will consider them properly in due time.
I will note down that people are interested and will make that known internally 🙂
indigo summit
yeah i think i get that, especially with the 2021 target
late schooner
are the shadow caching mechanisms coming to URP?
turbid matrix
I'm already waiting for 2021 and GI
late schooner
frankly I've been extremely confused why UT PM's aren't looking for/implementing more useful cross-team support features
indigo summit
@turbid matrix oof you just trigger a sensitive word "GI" 😅
turbid matrix
I'm pretty prepared the realtime gi solution won't land during 2021, but one can always be positively surprised 🙂
these things take time
dreamy fox
@late schooner this work is HDRP specific as our caching system relies on how HDAdditionalLightData work. However some work I did on C++ here is valid for all SRP if they will want to implement mixed cached shadow maps at some point, but I am not aware of the URP timeline, apologies.
late schooner
I'm not holding you to anything, I just think it's nuts that there's little direct technical reason why this can't be shared
project direction failure, not engineering mistake
turbid matrix
I'm guessing these things will align better in the future when they get the cross srp work in better shape
but lot of things are still implemented in totally different structure
turbid matrix
you mean GI or cross-pipeline stuff?
indigo summit
yeah
turbid matrix
which one? 😄
indigo summit
crosspipeline
turbid matrix
that's continuing work
also I think the actual goal for SRP cross-pipeline compatibility is more of unifying the workflows between URP and HDRP (mainly making URP conf more like HDRP from what I've seen so far) and being able to make projects that can target either one (so can deploy to URP for some devices and HDRP for others)
it doesn't necessarily mean the underlying structures will dramatically change from what we have now (SG did major change already to support this, URP has volume stuff)
turbid matrix
I'd love for URP and HDRP to be merged into one single and more flexible system but I don't see that happening with current path
I'd love to have just one thing that scales perfectly from low to high end
drifting vault
too late for that @turbid matrix
But maybe later they will do crosspalform features or easy converter between URP and HDRP
turbid matrix
only way I can see single SRP to cover all to happen is if they do different design choices when they start building true dots renderer
for the time being, I'll just try to make runtime swapping between URP and HDRP feasible
it already kinda works on my prototypes
but there are random things that need to be taken care of (mainly that HDRP exposure being a pain)
upbeat badger
unity devs are really like to rewrite and redesign stuff
turbid matrix
this URP / HDRP thing probably boils down more to having two somewhat independent teams that have designed their things for totally different targets in mind
one thing I wonder a bit is post processing
it was unified at first when they only used PPv2 for all
now there's a split but many of the PP effects could work on both if they just made unified API for it
URP has no-compute limitation but they've already slipped from it a bit with vfx graph
and there are many targets for URP where compute would still be feasible
to me PP stuff feels like part where they have a lot of duplicate code
upbeat badger
urp volumetrics would be compute based for sure
turbid matrix
compute PP isn't always even more performant, so having option to pick the implementation would be nice
drifting vault
before in old Unity when it was support custom volumetric fog solution from asset store, some of then was working on DX11 , but not working on DX9 and DX10.1
turbid matrix
one thing I'm wondering where they'll go with is this:
Right now we are in the planning phase of addressing the following problems:
* Modernization of materials in Unity, including updating the material abstraction in Unity```one thing i'm curious is, is there going to be shader complexity debug mode coming to unity ?
vital lichen
came out pretty nice
correct me if im wrong but unity standard shaders can handle reflections and things like this now a days right? like the concept of building your own raytracer and shaders is cool but out of the box unity is a lot more powerful than it was 2 years ago or so
celest ice
i think it has DXR support but i don't have an RTX so can't say how good it is
theoretically you might be able to get something like that without DXR with baked lighting
and lots of reflection probes
vital lichen
thats what I was thinking as well tbh. I was considering making this same exact scene and procedural gen in c# on the CPU and compare how much faster the GPU method is. I might even add threading onto the c# one because I feel the job system and using unitys ray tracing system might give same result. however I dont want to waste time but it seems like a good test idk
inner parcel
anybody knows what this is? Its spamming even at scene mode right when i upgraded to hdrp9 v33 (preview)
something before that
glad tartan
one thing I'm wondering where they'll go with is this:
Right now we are in the planning phase of addressing the following problems: * Modernization of materials in Unity, including updating the material abstraction in Unity```
@turbid matrix Pretty sure this is material instancing
dawn sorrel
is there a good pdf of whats coming in 2020 ?
2021!
cuz the main roadmap in site is just outdated. actually unity needs a trello raodmap like unreal.
waxen lantern
@dawn sorrel there is a pdf of the slides from the latest roadmap talk if that helps
@dawn sorrel i think you are referring to the main roadmap page on unity.com, though the graphics roadmap productboard is kept pretty up to date at least. i'd be happy with more of those for the rest of unity's features.
@dawn sorrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDjsS4NPqFU
https://www.slideshare.net/unity3d/unity-roadmap-2020-core-engine-creator-tools
https://portal.productboard.com/unity/
dawn sorrel
hm intersting links tanks mate @waxen lantern
weary fog
Pretty sure this is material instancing
@glad tartan Material instancing as in gpu instancing or as in how unreal calls their stuff material instances
glad tartan
GPU instancing is already supported and you also have the SRP Batcher which is a more optimized version of that.
This would be material instancing as you know it in the Unreal terms. There's a version of this in the Hybrid Renderer V2 and also the FPS Sample using Material Property but I think they are trying to make it an integrated feature of the editor rather than a tacked on.
weary fog
So just changing up the workflow/editor rather than being a new rendering feat?
turbid matrix
@glad tartan yeah, I was wondering about that exactly as it's the main diff right now with Unity and Unreal materials, would expect to see some material variant thing
unreals setup is kinda too rigid IMO and tied to the material graph, could be nice if they could do it more like they did on unity prefab variants etc
it's mainly a workflow improvement thing
indigo summit
well that's confusing
i think i better just wait to see what they offer on that part
inner parcel
Problem with Unity is that the products they deliver are mostly buggy and lack some critical features. But by the time they fix all that the technology moves ahead. The only reason that Unity is mostly relevant is for their 2D games. But for 3D most AAA studio wouldn't even look here. Now even indie's are starting with unreal for 3d
turbid matrix
well, that's not true at all 🙂 (except for 3D & AAA part but they've never looked at Unity in the first place)
most indies don't need bleeding edge 3D graphics and Unity actually has those too on HDRP now
of course taking Unreals current licensing model into account, it would be silly to neglect UE today as it's simply a better deal if you just look at the engine cost
that's just one thing though, I'm fluent with unreal and I still use Unity for my main project
there are things that can matter more for devs, like iteration times, flexibility out of the box etc
inner parcel
Most indies dont need bleeding edge graphics true. But if you believe HDRP to be something that could be released commercially then Im out of words 😛
turbid matrix
just because you can't make it work, doesn't mean it doesn't work
waxen lantern
@inner parcel maybe not for some indies that's true, it's not the best fit for all teams and projects
and both SRPs have a long way to grow
that's why Built-in RP is still available and supported
turbid matrix
there's plenty of issues on unreals rendering too, it's not like the grass is greener for all parts there
my main pain point with HDRP is really on the low end perf side, but unreal's rendering isn't stellar on that part either
waxen lantern
yeah it really varies greatly from each project and team, what advantages and challenges there are with different engines and render pipelines
inner parcel
Oh with all due respect I do have my project working as intended with hdrp 😂
But its not about some indie like me. What Im talking about is the bigger picture, bigger studios. More the number of AAA studios the game engine gets, more revenue it generates and the more capital is generated by Unity for RnD. Current situation is just too sad
turbid matrix
I doubt they'll ever get to AAA space
I'm guessing they get mostly to the middle tier projects / AA space at most
but that's not really a big deal
I mean, I'd rather have engine that's focused on smaller teams needs than one that requires more resources to play nice
inner parcel
That is trust me. Look at the Unreal and Unity wiki pages for the games that have been released in the past 2 years and you'd get an idea from there
waxen lantern
Development had been rough for sure, and Unity admittedly rushed releases out of alpha and beta last two years but recently been stabilizing. I would watch the 2020 roadmap talk and check out the "What's next for SRP" forum post if you haven't already @inner parcel
turbid matrix
that's irrelevant to this channel though
being able to use HDRP commercially / having AAA interested in unity are two totally different discussions
and latter isn't really much of a topic for this channel
waxen lantern
part of the situation is just how Unity represented and marketed the state of these shiny new packages while simultaneously taking a very open alpha & beta feedback approach for developers that are interested in really getting their hands dirty with bug reports and early feedback
inner parcel
Unreal not only focuses on AAA but they're moving to mid tier and theyre focusing more on 2d aswell presently. Its pretty obvious that Unity introduced SRP to attract anything but indie developers. I mean people are always heels over head about URP and HDRP but almost no one is interested in their own pipeline. And you cant expect top tiers productions to use the currently under construction pipeline for themselves. Unity is great and they're probably the only one to stay this close to the community. But the gap is growing wider and wider. With non perfect pipelines here which are expected to be properly and fully implemented in 2021 whereas Unreal has next gen technology in their arsenal such as Nanite and Lumen
Unity talks about replacing default pipeline with URP which is great. But i dont see anything in the roadmap or anywhere else where unity addresses anything about the number of light limitation per object
waxen lantern
and I don't blame anyone for say, upgrading HDRP to a non verified preview release meant for alpha builds and just watching the errors roll in unexpectedly. It's been too "easy" to do things like that and so there's some recent changes to give more warnings that you probably don't want / need to do that and should stick to LTS or at least final releases and their verified packages. Especially Render Pipelines, Which is the why Unity Editor builds will soon have their verified RP version bundled and make it not so obvious to change that except for the certain devs that really need that and know the risks / extra manual integration work it will entail and why.
Unity talks about replacing default pipeline with URP which is great. But i dont see anything in the roadmap or anywhere else where unity addresses anything about the number of light limitation per object
@inner parcel That per object real-time light limitation was increased from 4 to I want to say 8? When LWRP became URP. And afaik that is just a limit to help optimize the Forward render path which is primarily meant for low-end / mobile. Deferred render path will be available for URP for Unity 2020.2 and should support more real-time lights per object at least that's one of the primary use cases deferred rendering was invented for so that is my assumption.
@inner parcel all your criticisms are very valid anyway don't get me wrong. The modularity and in turn fragility of Scriptable Render Pipelines has not been a great experience for many indie devs and has a lot of room for improvement. At the same time you could say Shader Graph and Visual Effect graph, Visual Scripting Graph are being designed primarily for indie devs. As many larger devs either don't have a need for such visual abstractions for code generation, or they create their own tools in house if needed.
inner parcel
That per object real-time light limitation was increased from 4 to I want to say 8
Its 8 per object lights. Doesnt matter if realtime or baked. And hdrp has some serious issue about camera stacking aswell. I thought I could give compositor a try but too sad that I cant even enter the play mode with hrdp 9
waxen lantern
With non perfect pipelines here which are expected to be properly and fully implemented in 2021 whereas Unreal has next gen technology in their arsenal such as Nanite and Lumen
@inner parcel It's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. Unreal isn't aiming for a modular render pipeline platform at all. which will make it a better or worse fit depending on the project or team. And while very impressive, Nanite and Lumen are largely just good marketing terms for implementations of new API features and techniques that the entire industry is moving towards, mesh shaders, virtual texturing, more advanced and flexible Global Illumination. Unity does the same thing with their hype marketing. An engine technically having new features vs the workflows for those being smooth and flexible for your project are distinct.
Its 8 per object lights. Doesnt matter if realtime or baked. And hdrp has some serious issue about camera stacking aswell. I thought I could give compositor a try but too sad that I cant even enter the play mode with hrdp 9
@inner parcel
I know you want the features of HDRP 9 right now (so do I) but it's not what the preview packages for Alpha builds of Unity are made available for. It for developers who want to get their hands dirty, help with testing, bug reports and shape future Unity releases as if you had internal access to code at Unity.
inner parcel
Wait what. It doesnt have to be a modular pipeline in the first place. Youre thinking from a developers perspective ibut Im talking from an end users perspective. End users dont care about the pipeline in the first place. To be put blatantly what matters to an end user is high visuals without compromising performance. Gameplay completely depends on the dev which is another issue but if Unity offered the features they did in HDRP to standard pipeline I wouldnt have even cared to do anything with any pipeline
Well mate, a preview version which cant be previewed in the first place is kind of a boomer. I'm not complaining at all about that but its just one of those factors which makes me think "wish i had started with a diff engine 3 years ago"
vital lichen
I mean theres some very noticeable bugs but most the features unity is rolling out have been achievable if you go the do it yourself route. There was tutorials on making your own script able pipeline years ago
All these raytracing features and other nice stuff has also been available if you run a few searches and make your own shaders
It's just adding features in that make sense to beginners isn't easy. That's where unreal has unity beat they basically make the core concepts of the game for ya when you choose a template which can become a hassle at times
I usually choose blank template in unreal and go from there because sometimes I wanna make top down or platform style stuff which sadly isn't a template lol
The thing I like about unity was how easy it was to roll out procedural gens as a coder it felt like the engine for me. Unreal felt more like it did most the work for me which I didnt like. You use unity for a few years and convert to unreal and you'll be a beast at game dev tbh their engine is simple and offers a bunch out the box. Where as unity you need to learn about adding things in and what everything does which is what I really enjoy. I downloaded all their shaders (unity5 days)or installed their packages and my graphics became way more impressive which made me look into what was happening in the back.
waxen lantern
That per object real-time light limitation was increased from 4 to I want to say 8?
Deferred render path will be available for URP for Unity 2020.2 and should support more real-time lights per object
For anyone anticipating this, I just checked the URP roadmap and confirmed that When using deferred shading, there is no limit on the number of lights that can affect a GameObject. This is "in progress" to release along with Unity 2020.2 https://portal.productboard.com/unity/1-unity-graphics/c/10-deferred-renderer-support
inner parcel
sounds good. a huge step towards making urp as standard pipeline
waxen lantern
@inner parcel definitely. URP honestly should have launched with deferred rendering but better late than never 😄
weary fog
being that URP started out as LWRP, it was expect to not have deferred rendering until well after
gritty vapor
Hello, today I upgraded my project to 2020.1 and also switched over to URP, global illumination baking is like stuck in the 95% range and the timer won't go down? I've switched Color Space to Linear already, and I've basically selected Auto-generate for it
It's also making the editor quite laggy, I'm using Progressive GPU too
Am I doing anything terribly wrong?
gritty vapor
Okay I've decided fuck Baked Global Illumination lmao
waxen lantern
being that URP started out as LWRP, it was expect to not have deferred rendering until well after
@weary fog exactly, LWRP was a bust, and should have started out as URP (with deferred rendering path) from the beginning. Anyway, hindsight is 2020 and it's water under the bridge. Things are on track now after Unity listened to the community feedback. 🤠
gilded maple
How do you edit a volume profile in runtime ? My script change the values, but there's no visible change
mint prairie
does ANYONE have any idea why particles won't change opacity in HDRP?
iron flame
The particle shader also uses the Vertex color to change the color.
To use the color change of the particle in HDRP, simply create shaders from the shader graph and use the alpha of the Vertex color node.
sorry for my bad english 😦
@mint prairie
turbid matrix
there are bunch of premade SG's for unity's particle system on the HDRP package (as extra sample)
I assumed the user used those as you'd not really get any results without some hdrp compatible shader
and those do implement the vertex color thing
of course all we can do is guess here as @mint prairie didn't give any details
mint prairie
Well, I tried to change the alpha using the color over lifetime. But it didn't work.
turbid matrix
that doesn't tell anything about the shader you used for it
did you use the shaders bundled with HDRP package as sample, did you make your own SG for it, if you did latter, what did you wire there?
mint prairie
I did not use any shaders
turbid matrix
does it actually output anything reasonable without custom shaders?
mint prairie
What do you mean?
turbid matrix
it should be barely functional if you didn't put custom hdrp shaders for it
turbid matrix
yeah, that's not expected either
turbid matrix
install this
and then assign the most suitable shader from that to your particle system
mint prairie
Thank you so much!
turbid matrix
it's basically bunch of shader graphs
you can modify them if you need to (hence the name samples)
it comes with bunch of materials, shader graphs and sample scene
basically these do similar graphs as the one @iron flame posted here: https://discordapp.com/channels/489222168727519232/517108768933281843/743031065047859271
basically what he posted would work too
obsidian linden
newly added lights in urp do not add "universal light data" component on them. Is it normal or a bug?
dawn sorrel
one thing i want for hdrp is full support of vray shaders ?
max vray to unity hdrp goodness
i mean arnold is already supported , but am wondering how would vray to arnold to unity would work, i will have to try it out.
waxen lantern
@dawn sorrel the industry isn't there yet, but the ideal we are working towards with the advent of real-time physically based rendering and real-time raytracing is that we'll have portable material descriptions so it won't matter so much what software your material shaders are authored or whether or not Unity or whatever software implemented custom support for some proprietary material description: https://dakrunch.blogspot.com/2017/12/open-material-exchanges.html
dawn sorrel
@waxen lantern i smh want to beg chaos group to make vray for unity!
i mean its a must have especially with vrscene goodness.
the team should do some talk with chaos group and users will back them am sure.
waxen lantern
@dawn sorrel it might happen but what i'm telling you is even if it doesn't, eventually it won't matter because (hopefully) every 3D software will share some common Material Description (paired with USD Universal Scene Description which is already supported by nearly every 3D software package.)
Then you won't have to beg anyone to use the specific 3D software and material workflow you prefer.
spiral wraith
I'm not sure if this is the best channel for this question but it's my best guess.
So I'm trying to find a way that I can make my character meshes be rendered either in front of or behind one another without using layers and a duplicate camera, if possible. I've been trying to use the Renderer Priority value of the Skinned Mesh Renderers, but as far as I can tell, it has had literally zero effect.
How can I best force my meshes to render in a specific order, with the ability to swap that order on the fly via code?
My grasp on Unity rendering isn't very strong so maybe there's something obvious I haven't figured out.
turbid matrix
URP getting HDRP-style sky setup now? :) https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/tree/universal/SkyVolumes
main rune
Anyone know if it's possible to render a 'forward' camera with background type 'none' in front of a deferred camera?
In HDRP, that is
It works fine when both cameras are forward, or both are deferred, but I want MSAA on one of the cameras, and the other I'd prefer to be deferred.
main rune
Is there actually a single resource on what kind of things you need to tweak to make HDRP look good, cause honestly every time I install it, it proves to be a massive pain in the ass and looks terrible
scarlet hull
What about this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXCB-LKCK_Y
weary fog
The HDRP tutorials on the Unity channel are pretty good
main rune
I dunno man, a lot of them (like the above) focus on creating lighting and volumetrics in HDRP. I wanna know:
I've got a UI, that ACES makes look disgustingly dark because it's in Camera Space. It's in camera space, because neither MSAA, nor post-AA effects apply to overlay UIs
Originally I had a UI camera and a scene camera, but the UI camera can only use MSAA if it's forward rendered, and if you overlay a forward rendered camera on top of a deferred camera it just... doesn't work
I find it hard to believe that there isn't a way to apply post processing to a deferred camera and MSAA to the UI
glad tartan
@main rune why not just use forward
tranquil beacon
I've got a UI, that ACES makes look disgustingly dark because it's in Camera Space. It's in camera space, because neither MSAA, nor post-AA effects apply to overlay UIs
Originally I had a UI camera and a scene camera, but the UI camera can only use MSAA if it's forward rendered, and if you overlay a forward rendered camera on top of a deferred camera it just... doesn't work
I find it hard to believe that there isn't a way to apply post processing to a deferred camera and MSAA to the UI```
> I dunno man, a lot of them (like the above) focus on creating lighting and volumetrics in HDRP. I wanna know:
This is controllable (You can easily reduce saturation or darkness in an image if you know what you are doing - There's, about 3 or so post processing effects that can do this in HDRP)
> - What benefit it is to have the lighting at like 10,000 lux with an exposure of 11, instead of just using a low lux value
HDR and better control over lights/lighting. Using realistic values you can determine (real world values) and predict (after a while) exactly how bright a light should be. If you also know this going off track will also be easier as you still have to take into account light ranges for Exposure. IF you go in blind changing values then you are just messing things up for yourself.Deferred was one of the big "wow look at this" features of HDRP when it was first being promoted
As a rendering type that allowed for better performance with many smaller lights
I shouldn't have to ditch the entire thing just to put MSAA on a camera separate to the one I want to run deferred on, but I digress.
This is the primary issue - I don't know what I'm doing, and I haven't been able to find sources to help me understand what I'm doing.
I've watched videos like the one linked above, and none of them have been particularly helpful in understanding why you would use ACES, and how to desaturate the image; in fact I've not seen any even touch on tone mapping.
So, presuming you don't want to have automatic exposure, and instead want a fixed exposure, what is the proper exposure value for it? I find it very difficult to match the lux, visual appearance, and exposure values to determine what is 'correct'
scarlet hull
The fixed exposure you need depends on the context of your lighting.
Looking at an exterior scene in clear sky noon sun light ? Probably around 13.
Interior scene, fully lit with artifical lights ? Around 2
main rune
I see, so without automatic exposure you probably want different volumes for significant changes in lighting
scarlet hull
exact
main rune
Does that also mean that you'd want different values as the day progresses, and becomes night?
scarlet hull
The new HDRP template gives you a good showcase of this, with different zones of varying exposure (from full exterior to full interior)
Yes 🙂
As a reference, a sky at noon is measured at 20k lux, and in a covered night it goes down to 0.02
So yes, you'll need a WIDE range of exposure to accomodate this.
All this of course is if you want to use physical light units and realistic light values.
You could also stick to an exposure value of 0 and tweak all your light intensities by hand in a more artsy manner.
main rune
Well, that answers at least one of the questions I've had forever lol
The technical side of art is probably the part of game dev I actively dislike being involved in
Of course I don't have much choice.
scarlet hull
Welcome to where crazy people like technical artists love to be at (that includes me)
main rune
You wouldn't happen to be in the same crowd that enjoys writing shaders, would you?
queen pivot
scarlet hull
Exactly, I love shaders :p
@queen pivot If it's not read only, maybe in the RP asset, or through code ?
dim saddle
how do you change the black scene after switching to HDPR
like in scene view everything's black
scarlet hull
Aren't you in prefab editing mode in this screenshot ?
Also, black rendering could be a lot of things ... does a new empty scene render ?
Did you run the HDRP wizard ?
main rune
A terrifying statement if ever I've heard one.
Perhaps you could lend advice on my UI situation, I might be approaching the problem from the wrong angle.
I have a canvas with SVG images (using the preview package) at 20*20px. The icons themselves are designed fine for the size and resolution in Illustrator, but in Unity they have these jagged edges due to... presumably missing pixels in the screen? https://puu.sh/GhwPI/7f3264aed5.png
Previously, I was using MSAA x8 on the entire screen simply to improve the icons (And really, it works perfectly), however I believe the cause of the 'jagged' look is also the reason that post-AA effects do not improve the issue. When I moved over to HDRP, I intended to apply post processing effects on the game world, but not the UI. So I split the camera into a game camera and a UI camera, and gave the UI camera a higher depth. MSAA is of course only available on forward rendering and not deferred, so I switched the UI Camera to forward with MSAA, which is when I found out that the main camera will not render 'under' the UI cam if the main camera is deferred and the UI cam forward.
It also turns out (in regards to post processing) that at the very least tone mapping does not work at all if it's disabled on the UI camera, even though plenty of the screen is only displaying the main camera (like this: https://puu.sh/GhwVT/469ba757ed.png ).
Essentially all I want is clean icons, in the end.
scarlet hull
I'm not used to the svg importer, but I think you can chose to import the files as images or as "real" vector graphics (meshes) ?
I would advise to use images for GUI, as it would come with anti aliasing by default (the pixels filtering).
Else, well, HDRP doesn't support camera stacking ...
But you could render you UI camera in a RT, that is displayed over the game view ?
But you should still be able to "stack" the cameras in some way. You did change the background type of the forward UI camera to "none" ?
indigo summit
There use to be a script to display fps debug and GPU/CPU Timing and SRP stats on game view for HDRP, anyone know what is the name of that script?
glad tartan
@indigo summit There used to be one called Mini profiler. I haven't seen it come with HDRP for a while. But there is a version on GitHub. Which should be the same as this one. I copied it from there a long time ago. It still works well
indigo summit
oh thanks, i'll check it out
huh weird, it seems the fps displayed are 10fps lower than built in stats and SRP debugger
glad tartan
That's because it's normalized rather than the actual value at every frame
the default stats window isn't normalized so you will see a lot more fluctuating stats than if it was normalized/averaged over a few frames
or even seconds
inner parcel
any decent solution to stack multiple camera without 2nd camera overhead in hdrp?
I tried compositor but it looks bugged as of not, spamming internal exceptions
main rune
But you should still be able to "stack" the cameras in some way. You did change the background type of the forward UI camera to "none" ?
@scarlet hull Yeah I did. Works when both cameras are the same render 'type', otherwise doesn't.
I had hoped that SVG would work, particularly because they're resolution independent, but I can switch back to images.
I could certainly try using RTs - and/or use the compositor, though it is still in preview.
main rune
Okay nope - compositor just straight up refuses to render UI from a camera?
indigo summit
HDRP compositor is not for realtime/game use isn't?
scarlet hull
Not recommended.
turbid matrix
looking at https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/commits/HDRP/staging, no changes for 8 days
is Seb on holidays? 🙂
anyway, hope everything is fine
scarlet hull
Yep, holidays 😅
main rune
HDRP compositor is not for realtime/game use isn't?
What... Is unity able to maybe just focus on being a game engine?
scarlet hull
This is not relevant.
turbid matrix
(Unreals compositor isn't for game use either)
but I guess the question one should really ask is, is the camera stacking really the only way to achieve the effect you are after
scarlet hull
Apart from this, I made some experiments, and I'm able to stack a forward camera over a deffered one ... only when msaa is disabled.
But I think it a happy accident.
turbid matrix
also apart from this, I wonder if 2021 is year when we get SSR with MSAA enabled on HDRP forward 😁
it's technically doable but hasn't been any priority so far
as for DXR reflection and MSAA... I don't see that happening but with DXR you also kinda have to have TAA due to all the noise (so MSAA isn't really big deal there)
I don't remember if I saw the nasty artifacts on SSR itself anymore when I tested this last Feb, I was more focused on testing DXR reflections back then
back then you could hack both non-DXR and DXR reflections to show up like this: https://github.com/0lento/ScriptableRenderPipeline/commit/8413992ef7d58a34f8c8ad9266faf04f5d118ebd
I have no idea why the stencilvalue had to be disabled on raytracing
turbid matrix
as totally another thing, there's 2021 roadmap AMA starting in one hour on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Unity3D/comments/i9meq1/unity_rd_team_2021_roadmap_ama/
could post some SRP (and 2021 roadmap) related questions there
there's also a forum thread (https://forum.unity.com/threads/the-road-to-2021-q-a.950158), I just posted my q there (still waiting for moderation)
someone already asked about HDRP's HDR monitor support, I hope it'll get answered beyond what's on current docs (which just imply it's coming some day)
turbid matrix
Hey there! We're actively working on defining the solution for our customers for real-time GI, fully understanding how impactful dynamic global illumination is to modern games and many of our customers' use cases. While we are not on track to provide a replacement in time for 21.1, we are still aiming to share the plans by the end of 2020.
prime merlin
can someone explain to me what's the different between :
Iridescence
Bidirectional texture function
Polynomial texture mapping
oh there's also :ChromaFlair.
?
dawn sorrel
If URP is meant to be the indie engine basically, in contrast to HDRP being the AAA engine, I really hope they add point light shadows and basic godray volumetric capability for directional lights.
I love how quickly URP runs, and it's my favorite pipeline out of all the ones currently available. But those two things would be very nice to have if possible. I mean URP already has non-mobile tech built in, I can't see why not.
random kite
I upgraded to 2019.4.8f1 and I started a new project in HDRP, at certain angles the screen goes black in the scene view and i'm not getting any shadows.
Any ideas?
ember breach
@turbid matrix they will probably showcase the new Occlusion probes, used them and looks pretty nice, but not realtime rn aswell as hard to setup
waxen lantern
@dawn sorrel You will find these links pinned to this channel as well
Roadmap
URP: https://portal.productboard.com/8ufdwj59ehtmsvxenjumxo82/
HDRP: https://portal.productboard.com/unity/1-unity-graphics/tabs/18-high-definition-render-pipeline
What's Next for SRPs: https://forum.unity.com/threads/what-is-next-for-us-at-unity-with-scriptable-render-pipelines.924218/
celest ice
anyone know where these artifacts could be coming from? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1FasTUk5m0
it only seems to happen with spotlights/pointlight
using HDRP 8.2 hair master node (extracted to a shader to accept verts from a compute buffer)
hmm it also happens on the sample hair material too 😦
i guess it's a bug
waxen lantern
@celest ice what version of Unity and HDRP?
celest ice
only happens on the opaque layer in the sample (and doesn't happen with directional light)
unity 2020.1.2f1, hdrp 8.2
waxen lantern
but yeah I would report it as a bug, in any case. make sure to include your GPU make/model and GPU driver version. as graphical artifacts are sometimes correlated with specific GPUs or drivers
celest ice
where do bugs go these days?
just the forum or have they got a new site?
nvm found it
waxen lantern
@celest ice there's a menu option in the Editor yeah
to submit the bug report via email which will create a ticket on fogbugz, unless it's a known issue that's on the issue tracker? something like that
celest ice
i'll just post it on the forum to start with i guess
can't see how to post it on the issue tracker stuff
dawn sorrel
Where would I go to directly suggest ideas/improvements for the new pipelines?
vital lichen
hey im trying to get some shader I made for raymarching/raytracing to work in the HDRP they didnt work out the box wondering if perhaps I have to change some of the code or if theres a process to aget these to work
they work in URP but theres a bug with Graphics.blit in URP where what I render gets drawn to a different camera in the scene
this is the bug im speaking about btw this should be getting draw to game view
waxen lantern
i'll just post it on the forum to start with i guess
@celest ice No guarantee it will get noticed on the forum, though. It's best to submit bug reports through the bug reporter built into Unity Editor.
Where would I go to directly suggest ideas/improvements for the new pipelines?
@dawn sorrel check out the links I just sent you a few messages up. If what you're suggesting is related to something already on the roadmap boards ( the first 2 links,) you can submit your feedback there by selecting an item and then an option for "how important is this to you?" to "vote" on the item and you can type in additional info as to why.
Or, the last link is a forum post with more details about the scriptable render pipelines roadmap, you can post ideas and feedback there free-form.
celest ice
ah ok, i'll do that then, ta
waxen lantern
even better if you attach an example project with the issue, the QA team responds very well to that as they may not need any additional followup to reproduce and identify the issue.
celest ice
yeah i may as well.. it's just a blank project with a material sample scene switched to a spotlight
waxen lantern
If URP is meant to be the indie engine basically, in contrast to HDRP being the AAA engine, I really hope they add point light shadows and basic godray volumetric capability for directional lights.
@dawn sorrel Also worth noting, I just checked and both of these features are already on the URP roadmap, here it is again:
Roadmap
URP: https://portal.productboard.com/8ufdwj59ehtmsvxenjumxo82/
vital lichen
ive got this script connected to a custom shader I made for raymarching it works in standard pipeline and URP but not in HDRP
vital lichen
think any but if youre targetting mobile URP
dawn sorrel
hello,
does URP 10.x exists in Package Manager?
dawn sorrel
there is 9.0.0-preview.35
@obsidian linden
and what is your unity version? 2020.1.x or 2020.2.x
wooden breach
Can you change the shadow resolution in urp at runtime? the asset setting is read only
glad tartan
@foggy wadi It would look better no doubt but it would also come with some more challenges which will be more than you think. HDRP has a performance range, and a lot of rendering differences from the Built-in Renderer. You need to look into HDRP extensively first before making this decision. A lot of people underestimate or forgo this step before jumping in and then complain that things are not going as expected rather than how they are made/meant to be.
Just to be clear using HDRP is not difficult, it's just different so it will take some getting used to as well as it having different technical requirements that needs to be considered.
You can make a copy/branch of your project and upgrade that after you've had a base understanding of how HDRP functions, then you can test things and go from there.
Note that right away your minimum requirements for your game will be bumped up to a higher spec PC/Device when you switch, especially for VR.
--
and what is your unity version? 2020.1.x or 2020.2.x
@dawn sorrel
URP 9.0.0 is only for 2020.1 or 2020.2 alpha
So to be able to see preview.35 for it you will need to be on one of these versions and have preview packages turned on.
vital lichen
wow so theres bugs in unity when you try to use shaders and point to the wrong camera texture or the active render texture for example. where the code picks up the cameras in the scene and renders them to the game view
i was experiencing something liek that the other day now I cant replicate it
however I managed to get a different version of almost the same issue but solved it
obsidian linden
@dawn sorrel 2020.1x
dawn sorrel
I have the visible hair set to a Baked Lit material with transparency to give that soft look, then a duplicate of the hair with a regular lit material with alpha clip to cast the shadows. In the editor it looks perfect, see the shadow from the hair is coming from the "shadow only" duplicate of the hair, and the visible hair doesn't cast a shadow. But when she does her walking animation, the visible hair animates fine, but the shadow freaks out like it's flying everywhere. If I set the shadow casting duplicate of the hair to "shadow on" making the object visible it animates fine. It only freaks out when it's marked "shadow only". Any ideas?
I'm using URP btw
Are "cast shadow only" marked objects not able to be animated?
oh wait it seems it's still broken, I forgot to set the object back to shadows only before testing. (update on previously deleted message)
nova jacinth
i'm trying to acieve a decent underwater lighting effect
i have got a blit pass for underwater fog etc...on URP
but I'm wanting to incorporate decent lighting effects; make sure the MainLight is attenuated the deeper we go in the water (and other lights, based on their distance etc)
anyone any thoughts about the best way to do this? I was just doing it in a Blit pass
but would a custom render pass be better?
dawn sorrel
I have a URP asset pack which contains fog shapes, and I just use those combined with a volume (post-processing) cube.
But yeah.... not sure how that'd work natively. I'm using Lux URP Essentials which comes with water, glass, and basic fog effects, plus way more... like skin subsurface material even.
I think this combo works well.
maiden belfry
Is anyone good at converting srp shaders to urp shaders here?
upbeat trail
I made a volumetric shader for URP but I cant figure out a way to sample additional lights. Is there a way to "force-inject" a light into a 'draw call' ?
broken lichen
@upbeat trail I think you'll have to keep track of the lights in the scene yourself and pass it to the shader in your own format.
URP will only pass lights that affect that given object.
drifting vault
@upbeat trail ping me when you will upload your solution for asset store 
upbeat trail
@broken lichen oof that's gonna be a lot of work. Anyway thx
drifting vault
well there no normal volumetric light solution for URP.
upbeat trail
@drifting vault I wasn't really planning on that, it is just an exercise 😄 But I will see
autumn shoal
Hi, when I try to install HDRP 9.0 preview 33 on 2020.1.0f1 and hybrid renderer v2, I get a ton of errors? Ideas?
reef slate
I have two Texture2D objects in one Component and I want the Component to draw both to the screen. How can I do this?
turbid matrix
@turbid matrix they will probably showcase the new Occlusion probes, used them and looks pretty nice, but not realtime rn aswell as hard to setup
@ember breach how did you test them?
also do you really mean the new Probe Volume?
it's not really same as the previous occlusion probes setup
occlusion probes were only something Unity did for Book of the Dead, I moved their implementation to UPM package at some point and shared that on the forums but I dunno if people really use it
it's kinda problematic as it used to only work with cpu light bakes + couldn't use HDRP's high exposure lighting
but I'm assuming you mean the new probe volume anyway, it seems like preparation for the upcoming realtime version
dawn sorrel
@upbeat trail Please do, it looks awesome
turbid matrix
dim saddle
What could these random shadows be
broken lichen
@dim saddle Probably the shadow distance
broken lichen
I don't know, I haven't used HDRP before. But your scene looks pretty shadowless. Is that intentional?
dawn sorrel
I made a volumetric shader for URP but I cant figure out a way to sample additional lights. Is there a way to "force-inject" a light into a 'draw call' ?
@upbeat trail
nice :]
does it exists as github??
topaz oar
Quick question, does the Dynamic Resolution feature use an upscale filter type that isn’t point? (On the documentation it specifies that for the HDRP, it uses whatever is set within the pipeline asset, but there is no mention of filter type in the general documentation) I think I’m using the URP (When you have no render pipeline selected?) I’ve just noticed that when I lower the resolution, the pixels seem smoothed out (I don’t have any other “anti-aliasing” filters being applied either) Can I force the dynamic resolution feature to upscale with point filtering? (If it doesn’t already)
reef slate
What are the available ways to integrate with the render pipeline? SpriteRenderer component is one. Is there a way that is not a component?
cobalt idol
@reef slate what do you mean exactly? Are you talking about things like render features?
cobalt idol
Is there a way to get a RenderFeature to appear in the editor window?
dim saddle
After switching to HDPR, scenes lighting is black from scene view. anyone else have this?
(it's not in game view)
desert wharf
I just switched to URP, and now I get a toooon of profiler errors in playmode... any idea what's gone wrong? I've got sampler miss-matches galore
weary fog
@dim saddle I have that issue when I have multiple scene views open
or game and scene view open at the same time
dim saddle
thaaanks fixed it
upbeat trail
managed to get additional lights working 😄 it was easier than I thought
drifting vault
@upbeat trail density volume, local fogs and global height fog, avoid render problems with transparency mesh and UI text and I waiting this on asset store =D
And you will earn some money until Unity3d will release own volumetric light solution for URP hahahaha
Dx11 and GLES 3.0 API supoort
dawn sorrel
hybrid renderer ? what is it ?
managed to get additional lights working 😄 it was easier than I thought
@upbeat trail
is that github project or would be exists on asset store?? 😚
turbid matrix
I wasn't really planning on that, it is just an exercise 😄 But I will see
@dawn sorrel HickV's earlier response^
so, apparently it's neither atm
dawn sorrel
@dawn sorrel HickV's earlier response^
@turbid matrix
too bad!! 😭
upbeat trail
@dawn sorrel no, not yet posted anywhere, but I think I might post at the asset store at a reasonable price in the future
@dawn sorrel not actually, its implemented as a renderer feature for urp
glad tartan
dawn sorrel
@dawn sorrel no, not yet posted anywhere, but I think I might post at the asset store at a reasonable price in the future
@upbeat trail
i think 0$ is too reasonable price 🤓
vagrant zealot
Hey guys, does anyone here know if Universal Render Pipeline supports Instance Indirect Shaders?
worldly wren
yo guys, i am trying to use post processing in the urp, but i get different effects in scene and game vieq
scene
game
Someone has an idea what im doing wrong?
oh i fixed it, need to select HDR in QUality Settings
craggy yarrow
I have a script that flips/mirrors my camera on the x axis, using projectionMatrix and changing the scale, it works fine normally but not with URP. I was wondering if there's a way to do this with urp?
grand lava
I need mad help with HDRP lighting, I can't light a generic box on a plane to save my life
this is my scene and sky with a directional light at 300k lux
it's not until 5 mil lux where it starts to get to bright colours, but that completely blows out the camera if moves angle too much
also the sky is completely black
but if i target at it, the sky comes into colour and the geometry goes pure white
My problem is the lighting changes DRASTICALLY based on if the camera is facing the sky or the ground, what's causing this?
grand lava
fixed
My volume needed a fixed exposure for the camera to stop reacting
drifting vault
every second man who begin use HDRP stuck with that exposure problem 😦
We need a pin message about that here, so new members can avoid this first HARD step 
shy tide
People when I activate lightweight RP on my game, all my objects become pink, when I wanted to update them all to lightweigt RP I got an error where the objects were not updated and they were still pink. How can I fix that?
dawn sorrel
@upbeat trail So it's a post-processing effect or a global volumetric effect? Either way it looks gorgeous.
gritty briar
From what I've read and found, lens flare completely doesn't work for URP. Is this correct?
brave coral
Hey, i got a bit of an issue here with hdrp, you see i was painting trees, when i approached them, they're gone, is this some kind of lod that i can turn off? Problem is this thang does not happen if i put the tree prefab straight into the scene
scarlet hull
Tree draw distance on the terrain settings ?
low scarab
Hey, i just started working on lighting. And i have this process (screenshot) which takes me a looot of time, what is it?
runic bay
Maybe someone has some insight, but has anyone gotten an issue where the Oculus Quest (untethered) only renders the right half of the view per eye? I'm having this issue when trying to use a StructuredBuffer and DrawMeshInstanceIndirect of float4x4 in URP 7.4.3 to pass the objectToWorld matrix directly to a shader.
dawn sorrel
@low scarab its the old real time gi that never worked properly in unity
probably using enlighten
surreal gust
reboot your pc
scarlet hull
Well, no, there is no detail shaders for grass in the SRPs
drifting vault
Hope Unity will implement something like auto grass spawn based on terrain layers as solution like in UE4.
But sadly its not possible yet, because Unity unlock access to Terrain spalmaps, but lock access to detail mask map...
because since 2020.2 my PC being freezeeng alot when i want to place trees.
seems like something went wrong with terrain trees and if you will place some grass as terrain tree by time it become lagy in any action
brave coral
Well, no, there is no detail shaders for grass in the SRPs
@scarlet hull i use hdrp :) i said it earlier
Oh wait, hdrp is srp isnt it?
rich spade
SRP = HDRP / URP / your own
brave coral
Yeah, sorry i mistook srp as standard render pipeline
rich spade
easily done 😉
scarlet hull
This is officially called the "Built-In Render Pipeline"
brave coral
Ah, okay. So... Do you know the alternative way to add grass in hdrp?
scarlet hull
There are some solutions that use the VFX graph to spawn grass meshes
Or use the tree painting feature to spawn grass prefabs
brave coral
Okie dokie, thanks
upbeat trail
made a contact-shadows effect for urp
@upbeat trail So it's a post-processing effect or a global volumetric effect? Either way it looks gorgeous.
@dawn sorrel yeah kinda - I am not using the post processing system though, I implemented it as a renderer-feature. It uses 2 Blits, so I can control the resolution and add some blurring of the fog.
drifting vault
@upbeat trail my money waiting for your volumetric lighting solution on asset store 
upbeat trail
haha ok
dawn sorrel
made a contact-shadows effect for urp
@upbeat trail
amazing!! 💯
we are waiting for volumetric and contact shadows
drifting vault
idk why, but i like your contact shadows more that in HDRP haha
@turbid matrix soon
pale wolf
Hi everyone...really new to render pipelines/lighting in unity but I was hoping for some help with using URP with 2D sprites and a Quad Mesh
I have a thread posted on the Unity forums here: https://forum.unity.com/threads/using-urp-with-2d-shader-and-quad-material.955332/
And apologies if this isn't the right place for this 🙂
cursive tulip
beautiful
the color is a bit different than the regular shadow color in the directional light gif and the first point light gif feels a bit like its too dark in a bright area but apart from that is stunning and its perfect
upbeat trail
thanks!
waxen lantern
added additional lights support. Point light with fake shadows 😮
@upbeat trail well, to be fair, all computer generated lights and shadows are "fake"
dawn sorrel
@upbeat trail Whenever you get an asset pack up, DM me the link please. I'll add it to my cart. 😃
cursive tulip
yeh
turbid matrix
from https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/1651:
The actual support for SNorm16 vertex formats is in UnityRayTracingMeshUtils.cginc and it was merged in trunk at eb03bc43ebc2 (2020.2.0b1.2894).
they are internally at beta now
dawn sorrel
i'm using 2020.2.0a21 with URP 10-preview 26 ...
but where is shader quality settings?? [https://portal.productboard.com/8ufdwj59ehtmsvxenjumxo82/c/134-shader-quality-settings]
upbeat badger
i made a meme
turbid matrix
@dawn sorrel 10.0.0-preview.26 is one month old now
that being said, there's no newer 10.x release on package manager
drifting vault
No ao and shadowmask support on this version of urp 10.0.0-preview.26? 😦
frigid nova
Why the new TXAA on hdrp is so bad?It doesnt sharp correctly and also has jittering all over small details
dawn sorrel
No ao and shadowmask support on this version of urp 10.0.0-preview.26? 😦
@drifting vault
ao is exists on this version ...
but i need shader quality settings too :
which version of urp does have it?
upbeat badger
@frigid nova i have the same question although people on forum saying its somehow good. Previous version was blurrier but it hadn't been so jaggy
drifting vault
@dawn sorrel where?
cant find ao in pp
ah i see, its now in render queue
oofff 2020.2A21 have strange problems in performance
Physic sometime drop FPS from 140 to 30 every 10 seconds
on default unity scene lol
frigid nova
@frigid nova i have the same question although people on forum saying its somehow good. Previous version was blurrier but it hadn't been so jaggy
@upbeat badger Thing is that previus version could be sharpened from the camera but this one has 3 options low midum high and they are all bad
dawn sorrel
@dawn sorrel where? :ThinkM:
@drifting vault
AO is render feature and not pp feature 🤓
sharp hatch
frigid quarry
