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waxen lantern Oct 18, 2019, 6:40 PM

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in relation to your knowledge / experience with render pipelines

turbid matrix Oct 18, 2019, 6:43 PM

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I have this one man company where I'm developing a racing game with Unity

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I try a lot of bleeding edge stuff, hence you may see me commenting these things on this channel from time to time

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like, there are specific HDRP PP things that need special attention in the genre I'm working with and I'm also interested on DXR (altho raytracing is bit too early for production use in games atm)

plain finch Oct 18, 2019, 7:20 PM

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im working with LWRP, and

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no volume overrides are appearing

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any clues why?

turbid matrix Oct 18, 2019, 7:27 PM

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does LWRP even have that volume?

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URP and HDRP do

median raptor Oct 18, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Hi guys ... Where does unity load HDRP scripts? It's just that if I edit a script so it returns to the default state again.

azure kraken Oct 18, 2019, 9:48 PM

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@median raptor The HDRP package lives in Library/PackageCache. If you move the folder (com.unity.???@???) from there to the top level Packages folder (next to Assets) you’ll be able to make changes without them getting periodically stomped.

median raptor Oct 18, 2019, 9:49 PM

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@azure kraken Okay, thanks for tip

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@azure kraken Really thanks for help. Finally after one day solving bug in HDPR version 6.9.1

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working 🙂

grand egret Oct 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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We want to target DX12 for our game using the HDRP, but when we do so, we aren't able to proceed due to the following:
d3d12: generating mipmaps for array textures is not yet supported.
I've gone through all the textures in the project and disabled mipmap generation and it's still not letting us continue. Is there a global switch for this? Or some other way to solve this problem?

turbid matrix Oct 19, 2019, 8:58 AM

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@grand egret it pretty much means what it says

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it'll still work afaik

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and they will fix this on 2020 cycle

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d3d12: generating mipmaps for array textures is not yet supported.
This will be fix for 2020.1 and performance will be fix for 2020.2. Both DXR and DX12 should be out of preview in 2020.2```

turbid matrix Oct 19, 2019, 9:15 AM

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quote from https://forum.unity.com/threads/unity-experimental-hdrp-dxr.656092/page-8#post-5005706

frigid nova Oct 19, 2019, 10:58 AM

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why my GPU lighmapper always reverts back to cpu after 1 min of baking i mean Jesus christ this is so unstable.

lyric ravine Oct 19, 2019, 11:32 AM

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@frigid nova it'll do that if it finds issues. For me most of the time it means there's overlapping or missing uv2s. There should be a console warning as well

frigid nova Oct 19, 2019, 11:37 AM

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@lyric ravine so for example trimsheets are off the table?Also ill add that i generate lightmaps ove the whole scene via the automatic lightmap generator of unity

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but it happened when i didnt have trimsheets

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i just wish there was a force gpu lighmapping mode,or only a gpu lightmapping baking

lyric ravine Oct 19, 2019, 3:14 PM

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@frigid nova trimsheets are usually uv1. Lightmapper uses uv2, which should be non-overlapping if you generate it via Unity but I had cases where these were still overlapping

frigid nova Oct 19, 2019, 3:40 PM

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dunno i think gpu lightmapping is too week for 3gb graphics cards ,and i hate that

azure kraken Oct 19, 2019, 6:47 PM

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I got a 2060 with 6GB mostly to get GPU lightmapping to work better, but it still craps out and falls back to CPU on a lot of scenes.

frigid nova Oct 19, 2019, 7:22 PM

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is unity gonna fix that with 2020?

turbid matrix Oct 19, 2019, 9:15 PM

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@azure kraken @frigid nova from 2020.1 alpha release notes:

* GI: Improved memory allocation strategy for GPU lightmapper on AMD GPUs
* GI: Improved memory allocation strategy for GPU lightmapper on Nvidia GPUs (Windows only).
* GI: Progressive lightmappers will display the number of lightmaps that will be generated, in the Lighting window, as soon as atlassing stage is done.
* GI: Reduced GPU memory usage when baking lighting with the GPU lightmapper by using stackless BVH traversal.
* GI: Show user friendly name in the Lighting window for AMD GPUs on Windows and Linux instead of GPU code name.```

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so, you'd think it should work better on lesser RAM gpu's with these

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(altho the notes doesn't grant that)

frigid nova Oct 19, 2019, 9:25 PM

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@turbid matrix im really on the edge tbh,i have a really small scene that i try to bake,cause ray tracing on the 3gb version is a dream at this point.I cannot bake with Gpu anymore.I honestly have no idea of what to do from now on.My options is either to buy a new graphics card or use blender.

azure kraken Oct 19, 2019, 9:30 PM

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@frigid nova This might be voodoo, but I have two displays on my machine (4K & 2K). When doing a bake I disable the larger monitor and I think it helps. 🤷‍♂️

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Or do a CPU bake over night.

frigid nova Oct 19, 2019, 9:33 PM

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i have two screens too,but it used to help when i didnt use substance.and give all the gpu power to the baking.But this does not help now.Also cpu baking overnight for a small scene i think is too lets say overkill

drifting vault Oct 20, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Hey @scarlet hull , since Fog Quality was deprecated in 2019.3, how we can now control depth of volumetric light?

scarlet hull Oct 20, 2019, 10:54 AM

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I was a bit of grid this week, but iirc, you can do it in the advanced settings of the fog

drifting vault Oct 20, 2019, 10:58 AM

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omg thanks! 😄

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modest veldt Oct 20, 2019, 3:15 PM

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is there an alternative to decals in LWRP?

hidden ridge Oct 20, 2019, 7:31 PM

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not that i'm aware of. afaik i just have to settle for quad-based bulletholes sticking out from geometry when bullets hit convex corners. 😦

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there's probably some convoluted Asset for it that's not entirely bulletproof (ba dum tshhhh), but i didn't look.

modest veldt Oct 20, 2019, 9:19 PM

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ah dang

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thanks for telling me

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that this project ain't in the most advanced stage yet I might go back to the old renderer then

waxen lantern Oct 20, 2019, 9:43 PM

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@modest veldt Since a deferred renderer is coming to URP in 2020, i figure decals are on the roadmap. Though I don't have proof of that.

modest veldt Oct 20, 2019, 9:43 PM

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ah sweet

waxen lantern Oct 20, 2019, 9:43 PM

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regardless, maybe this asset would work for you?

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📎 lux_lwrp_decals_asset_scaled.jpg

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https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/vfx/shaders/lux-lwrp-essentials-150355

Lux LWRP Essentials - Asset Store

Lux LWRP Essentials provide a growing collection of manually written and optimized HLSL shaders and custom nodes for Shader Graph . It bridges the gap between HDRP and LWRP/URP by adding missing advanced lighting models and adds a ton of other rendering features to cover a...

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@modest veldt

modest veldt Oct 20, 2019, 9:47 PM

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looks good, though that the project I'm working on is a uni project we are not allowed to use additional assets such as this, so I might stick to the older pipeline for now

waxen lantern Oct 20, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Ah, I see. and you can't use HDRP either?

hidden ridge Oct 20, 2019, 11:18 PM

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@waxen lantern thx. the "● Charlie Sheen cloth lighting" bulletpoint was the clincher

modest veldt Oct 21, 2019, 1:46 AM

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I'll prob need to ask the module leader about that

turbid matrix Oct 21, 2019, 1:35 PM

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heh, now I feel so dumb

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I had Unity processing one project for over one hour after changing to newer HDRP

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I just now looked at the names

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and it keeps just looping few SG's all over 😄

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so it's been going circles this whole time now just over like 3-5 shadergraphs

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I had a system crash on the previous import run so that must have screwed up the cache

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(I've had issues on new AMD system, so trying to find stable memory clocks)

drifting vault Oct 21, 2019, 2:19 PM

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@turbid matrix i have same problem. that happened sometimes at 2019.3

turbid matrix Oct 21, 2019, 2:19 PM

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it could have been also just the upgrade alone

drifting vault Oct 21, 2019, 2:19 PM

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you can cut that files from assets with meta, then open proejct adn import that files again

turbid matrix Oct 21, 2019, 2:19 PM

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it's not first time the cache goes bonkers

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I usually wipe the the library beforehand when there's bigger change

drifting vault Oct 21, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Im hope your project dont have size over 40GB+ 😄

turbid matrix Oct 21, 2019, 2:20 PM

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but didn't this time

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it did load up once I wiped library once

drifting vault Oct 21, 2019, 2:21 PM

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report that bug bugtracker and give me link, i will vote up it

turbid matrix Oct 21, 2019, 2:31 PM

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you can't report bug like this as it's not reproducable

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unless you give them outdated library files along with the report

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but as far as I'm concerned, this is by design

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I'm not using some released package versions here

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so I don't expect clean upgrades, I'm also used to things going sideways if upgrading HDRP itself

stuck imp Oct 21, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Hello! I'm using Graphics.Blit() from a texture with a material (using a shaderGraph shader) to a render texture. I'm getting a black texture as result. Anyone has encountered this problem?

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If I use a non-shadergrph shader for the material it works properly

viral summit Oct 21, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Hi all. Some one knows if there is a Vertex Shader for the HD Pipeline? Thanks!

scarlet hull Oct 21, 2019, 3:46 PM

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@viral summit Yes, you can use the vertex position/normal input in the SG master node

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@stuck imp Not sure, but you should also probably point to the proper pass index.

stuck imp Oct 21, 2019, 4:10 PM

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How many passes has a shaderGraph shader? I was assuming it has only 1

scarlet hull Oct 21, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Depends on the render pipeline, the master node you're using and its settings

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Best is to look at the generated code (right click on the master node for option)

glad tartan Oct 21, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Anyone ever tried profiling HDRP? Both GPU and CPU on rendering with the SRP Batcher enabled? I'm trying to see how it's batching things, the stats window and profiler showing different things and it's making things difficult to track

opal tinsel Oct 21, 2019, 9:14 PM

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I assume it is simple and I just do something stupid here, but with Custom render pipeline, how can I make specific GO (Layer) to be rendered on top of everything in VR ?

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only difference so far I have seen with different events are: visible as usual or not visible and in "After Rendering" my right eye go crazy on Oculus

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and even they don't show tat on top 😦

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I need it for custom transparent shader and UI in world space

turbid matrix Oct 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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hmmmm, looking at https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/commit/c862511c081aa021dfb5d76c6a7f36cdcacdbdfe

GitHub

Begin to write the custom post process doc · Unity-Technologies/S...

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I wonder, are compute shaders supported on these custom passes?

empty star Oct 22, 2019, 2:46 AM

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@opal tinsel you use the CullResults and ScriptableRenderContext.DrawRenderers() and can pass in filtering settings for the layers, types of shaders etc

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The order you call your draw renderer is the order things draw, so if you have UI you'd tell it to draw last before presenting to the screen and calling context.Submit()

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I guess to clarify is this a custom SRP, or are you using universal forward renderer

plain finch Oct 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Library\PackageCache\com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@6.9.2-preview\Editor\AssetProcessors\ShaderGraphMaterialsUpdater.cs(15,23): error CS0117: 'GraphData' does not contain a definition for 'onSaveGraph' i updated HDRP, and now ive got this error

plain finch Oct 22, 2019, 5:17 AM

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ive tried restarting my computer, uninstall the package and reinstalling, upgrading my unity version,and that error is still there

plain finch Oct 22, 2019, 5:39 AM

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nvm, needed to update shader graph and remove PP

viral summit Oct 22, 2019, 6:29 AM

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@scarlet hull hi thanks for your tip, can u please tell me how do I do that?

scarlet hull Oct 22, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Just input data in object space to those inputs @viral summit

viral summit Oct 22, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Hi @scarlet hull I found one that works for the 3D Pipeline and it displays correctly the Vertex Colors coming from a VRML file. Now the question, how to "transform" it so it works in the HD pipeline?

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https://gist.github.com/jhorikawa/7a236ae0b801bf2aca2d8a3038b9bf40

Gist

Unity Shader to visualize vertex color.

Unity Shader to visualize vertex color. GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

indigo summit Oct 22, 2019, 7:17 AM

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just use the vertex color node

viral summit Oct 22, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Hi, yes to what node?

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meaning vertex color to what Master connection?

scarlet hull Oct 22, 2019, 7:31 AM

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I don't get how you can have shadergraph work in the "3D" pipeline and not in HDRP

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How do you want to visualize the vertex colors ? As colors ? Then just plug it to the albedo of the master node

viral summit Oct 22, 2019, 8:10 AM

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thanks mate! it worked!!

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😁

turbid matrix Oct 22, 2019, 8:20 AM

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@scarlet hull you know if compute is possible with current custom and custom pp passes?

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not looking for any sample now, just simple yes / no kinda answer 🙂

scarlet hull Oct 22, 2019, 8:25 AM

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yes

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or at least, should be possible 🤔

chrome sandal Oct 22, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Hey has anyone here used the Flashback 94 plugin from the Asset Store? Have you got it to work with URP?

Doesn't seem to have any effect any more. I'm kinda new to render pipelines though... Is there something I need to do to make this kind of thing work?

buoyant solar Oct 22, 2019, 12:53 PM

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I'm new to Unity shading and RP, is there a tutorial/blog/sample for something like a complete low-poly shader graph for HDRP? I've googled, but only could find either old stuff, or cartoonish URP. I have built an unlit low poly shader, but it has black sides on the opposite side from directional light, and also it doesn't receive shadows. If I do a lit shader, it is blurred in shadows, etc.

exotic plume Oct 22, 2019, 9:24 PM

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@chrome sandal Nope, looks like Flashback 94 plugin is old so the shaders will not work with URP you could message the dev and ask if they have plans to bring it to the RP's

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but honestly - what would be the point of using shaders that make everything look crappy/ retro with a modern rendering pipeline?

empty star Oct 22, 2019, 11:12 PM

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So... HDRP uses Alpha8 for density volumes, but texture3d's with Alpha8 format are always black. 🤔 how do they test

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(reported bug, been like that since 2018)

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R8 format works and it reads it as R8_Unorm in the shader anyway

cloud lichen Oct 23, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Please help. I'm trying to import Lightweight RP for my 2D game. At most I'm getting this option, which unfortunately does not suffice. I need 2D rendering pipeline assets which I'm not seeing. I've tried three versions so far including the newest and verified ones.

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dawn sorrel Oct 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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How do I switch form hdrp to lwrp

cloud lichen Oct 23, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Also I'm getting these three errors.

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waxen lantern Oct 23, 2019, 3:23 AM

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@chrome sandal yeah as @exotic plume said, that asset is older than URP or HDRP. Right now an asset doesn't explicity say that supports the new RPs, you can safely assume it doesn't. Fortunately, the SRP / Scriptable Render Pipeline that they are built on allow for this sort of retro rendering on a more integrated level as a Custom Render Pipeline than just hacking it into the legacy pipeline with shaders like Flashback 94 did. Keijiro has a pretty good example that has that same playstation 1 / saturn look you are looking for. Plus, it's free: https://github.com/keijiro/Retro3DPipeline

GitHub

keijiro/Retro3DPipeline

A minimal example of a custom render pipeline with the Retro3D shader. - keijiro/Retro3DPipeline

stray oriole Oct 23, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Hello, is using 3 camera to have different depth a bad thing for performances in a 2d game ?

short thorn Oct 23, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Regarding performance should I use lwrp(urp) or could I get hdrp to work on lower powered pcs by tweaking the graphics settings?

turbid matrix Oct 23, 2019, 5:10 PM

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@short thorn URP probably scales down to a lot lower spec systems

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there's initial overhead on running HDRP which you can't get away from simply tweaking settings

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it's kinda painpoint I'm having as I'd want to get best of both worlds (cheap low end rendering + high end rendering for systems that can handle it)

dawn sorrel Oct 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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is unity still adamant about not wanting people to have both urp and hdrp in their project?

empty star Oct 23, 2019, 5:25 PM

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You can have both packages in your project

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Seems like a content nightmare to support both though, do you have an army of artists

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It would be more sane to use URP and port features you want from HDRP

turbid matrix Oct 23, 2019, 6:37 PM

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it used to be possible yes

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I made a proof of concept proto about swapping HDRP and LWRP on the fly in build and it worked just fine

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one of the main painpoints to support could be sky

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unless you use same custom sky on both

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it's been like year since I tried that, or could be even longer

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so no idea if there are some new restrictions in place

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both URP and HDRP now got their own PP's

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when I tried it, both LWRP and HDRP used PPv2

empty star Oct 23, 2019, 10:48 PM

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has there been any Unity-provided solution to control HDRP's volumetric density from VFX / Particles? I noticed there is the voxelize pass where it combines density volumes into the frustum oriented voxels but didn't see equivalent for particles

desert yew Oct 23, 2019, 10:52 PM

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I recall that being mentioned somewhere, but I don't know what ever happened with it.

waxen lantern Oct 23, 2019, 10:53 PM

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@empty star volumetric light/shadows work with VFX graph particles anyway and it looks great

chrome sandal Oct 24, 2019, 9:38 AM

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@exotic plume @waxen lantern thanks for the responses! and sorry my reply has been slow, I was at work yesterday.

I'm still really uneducated on how render pipelines work so it sounds like I need to read up on it a bit more and try these other methods. I've seen Kejiro's work before. I'll look into it. thanks!

chrome sandal Oct 24, 2019, 1:49 PM

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hmm @waxen lantern that project by Keijiro is set up for 2018.2, but a lot seems to have changed since then. opening it in 2019.2 gives me a bunch of compile errors with the renderpipeline scripts. do you know where I can find out more about this?

Assets\Retro3D\Retro3DPipeline.cs(12,36): error CS0104: 'RenderPipeline' is an ambiguous reference between 'UnityEngine.Experimental.Rendering.RenderPipeline' and 'UnityEngine.Rendering.RenderPipeline'

noble osprey Oct 24, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Hi. Is there any chance there is or there will be soon a solution for outlines in HDRP?

upbeat badger Oct 24, 2019, 3:35 PM

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its already there

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see custom pass

alpine gorge Oct 24, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I'm trying to apply shader based antialiasing to a rendertexture. Any ideas about the right approach for this?

empty star Oct 24, 2019, 6:04 PM

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@chrome sandal RenderPipeline got moved out of experimental, so removing the .Experimentalwill fix that error

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there will likely be more about some API name differences

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putting this just above any classes may help catch most:

#if UNITY_2019
    using FilterRenderersSettings = FilteringSettings;
    using DrawRendererSettings = DrawingSettings;
    using CullResults = CullingResults;
    using SortFlags = SortingCriteria;
    using RendererConfiguration = PerObjectData;
    using ShaderPassName = ShaderTagId;
#endif

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the CullResults changed as well from CullResults.Cull(ref portalCullingParams, context, ref portalCullResults); to CullingResults portalCullResults = context.Cull(ref portalCullingParams);

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context.DrawRenderers changed where instead of passing cullResults.visibleRenderers you just need to pass cullResults

trim bone Oct 24, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Anyone getting errors attempting to profile a 2020.1.a9 project with hdrp?

turbid matrix Oct 24, 2019, 8:05 PM

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are you running it with 8.x HDRP?

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(no idea on profiler, never tried it on 2020.1)

glad tartan Oct 24, 2019, 8:08 PM

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I profiled HDRP 8.0.0 with 2020.1 a9 and had no problems.
Only issue I had was actually seeing the batches/drawcalls its making with SRP batcher

trim bone Oct 24, 2019, 9:39 PM

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no it was just what was standard in the package manager, i guess thats the issue

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is that via github?

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also did the srp batcher toggle get moved or renamed somewhere in hdrp? cant find it

turbid matrix Oct 24, 2019, 9:50 PM

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@trim bone I don't think 8.x is on package manager yet

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but you are not supposed to use 7.x on 2020.1

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I noticed batcher settings not being there anymore also

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I just assumed they removed the option to disable it

trim bone Oct 24, 2019, 9:53 PM

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that clears up everything but i dont feel good about it 🙂

chrome sandal Oct 24, 2019, 10:07 PM

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thank you so much for the help @empty star , I've managed to fix some of the errors at least, but I keep hitting new ones as I chip away.

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I got to a case where Cullresults.Cull is used, but when I try to change it to the new method there is no "portalCullingParams" to pass in.

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I mean... at the risk of sounding clueless (which I am) how am I supposed to know all this? are these changes documented somewhere?

empty star Oct 24, 2019, 11:09 PM

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@chrome sandal oh sorry you first create a cull results struct

CullResults myCullResults = new CullResults();
CullResults.Cull(ref myCullingParams, context, ref myCullResults);

myCullingParams is also created using something like camera.TryGetCullingParameters(out ScriptableCullingParameters myCullingParams);

frail dove Oct 24, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Wrong ping, my friend

empty star Oct 24, 2019, 11:10 PM

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whoops sorry 😄

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@chrome sandal i was just copying pasting from my code that's why it had portal-named stuff

chrome sandal Oct 24, 2019, 11:23 PM

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@empty star thanks! so final result there is
camera.TryGetCullingParameters(out ScriptableCullingParameters myCullingParams);
context.Cull(ref myCullingParams);

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woo I fixed all the other compile errors!

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thanks for your help @empty star , this has been super helpful

sharp hatch Oct 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Whats the easiest way of re-using one cameras depth buffer for another camera?

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i.e. i have one camera which renders the main world, and then i have another camera which renders selected parts of the world in a special way - and I want to re-use the depth buffer of the first camera (which renders the main world first) when i render using the second camera. But I don't want to re-use the color buffer, so i can't just layer the cameras on top of each other.

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process is this:

Camera 1: Renders Main World
Camera 2: Render 'Special' Parts of the World using Camera1's Depth Buffer
Merge images from camera 1 and 2 and display them

noble osprey Oct 25, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Thx for info. I found it 🙂 Another question. Is there any information when it would be in official release?

scarlet hull Oct 25, 2019, 9:00 AM

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@sharp hatch not really possible.
Why would you like to do that and not simple render everything in one camera ?

sharp hatch Oct 25, 2019, 9:00 AM

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@scarlet hull Because I want to apply post fx to select parts of a scene only (i.e. specific geometry) but not other geometry

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So i basically split the scene into two, and then merge them after

scarlet hull Oct 25, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Camera stacking is not supported in HDRP currently. But you can use two custom passes to copy the depth buffer from the first camera to the other:

Camera1 renders in a RT
Have a first fullscreen custom pass "before post process" that copies the camera1 depth to the custom depth
Have a second fullscreen custom pass "before rendering" that copies the custom depth to camera2 depth
Render Camera2
Find a way to compose the two cameras together (use a second RT, use a custom pass "after post process" on camera 2 ....)

sharp hatch Oct 25, 2019, 9:34 AM

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@scarlet hull No this is the legacy renderer

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Not HDRP

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I just want to re-use camera 1 depth buffer data when i render camera 2, so that it can do depth test/culling properly

scarlet hull Oct 25, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Sorry, I'm biased :D
Well, in legacy you can stack cameras and choose to no clear the depth of the second one

sharp hatch Oct 25, 2019, 9:36 AM

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@scarlet hull Yes, correct - but then they all get merged into the same color buffer dont they?

scarlet hull Oct 25, 2019, 9:36 AM

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yes, but you should be able to apply posts to one camera and not the other

sharp hatch Oct 25, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Basically I have various post fx that I only want to run on what's rendered from camera2s perspective

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i dont want those post fx to affect the image from camera1

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at all

scarlet hull Oct 25, 2019, 9:37 AM

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okay

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Hum, i'd say then to go for a full custom route : use command buffers to copy the depth from camera 1 to 2, and compose both cameras after their rendering

sharp hatch Oct 25, 2019, 9:39 AM

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I tried doing this using Camera.SetRenderTarget

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but it seems to be... wonky

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it's not behaving as it should, and it's causing me to get null refs inside of the post fx callbacks on camera 2, etc.

viscid plaza Oct 25, 2019, 6:13 PM

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any idea why this is happening ?

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when using 2d renerer with LWRP it does this weird thing visible on the first picture

dawn sorrel Oct 25, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I am clueless.

viscid plaza Oct 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

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:/

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guess using 2d lights wont be possible then

median raptor Oct 25, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Hello,
when I create DecalProjector and set up the material, it will show me the projection in the scene, but it won't show up in the playmode anymore. Do you know why it doesn't work?

median raptor Oct 26, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Nobody knows? 😦

glad tartan Oct 26, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@median raptor Check if your camera has decals disabled in its framesettings

median raptor Oct 26, 2019, 7:32 PM

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@glad tartan Yes, right now, in camera preview decals I see but in playmode still not

hidden ridge Oct 26, 2019, 8:15 PM

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doesn't work (not supported) in URP. 😦

buoyant solar Oct 26, 2019, 9:55 PM

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I'm trying to optimize my HDRP rendering for lots of objects. I have instancing enabled for materials, I have same mesh for many objects. Now I struggle to coordinate several things in my head:
First, Frame Debugger says Node use different shader keywords, while keywords are the same, but base color is different. Is it a problem with diagnostics or a bug in shader/SRP? The shader is standard HDRP/Lit.
Second, if I enable "Stats", it shows 13K batches, but are they SRP batches or draw calls or what? And "saved by batching" is -13K, yes, negative. What does it mean?

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So, with profiler and switching it on and off:
SRP Batching off ~60 FPS
SRP Batching on ~37 FPS

How do I find what's the problem? Unity 19.3b latest

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No SRP Batching

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With SRP batching

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buoyant solar Oct 26, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Yeah, it is basically this: https://forum.unity.com/threads/hdrp-batching-does-not-work.699419/#post-4855259

Unity Forum

HDRP - Batching does not work

Hello, trying to get batching to work with no results :(

Have a simple scene with single prefab (mesh + material) being rendered with HDRP Lit...

median raptor Oct 27, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Where is problem? 😦
Decals in sample scene is working, in my scene do this.

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desert yew Oct 27, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Does anyone know how to get a Camera's corresponding HDCamera?

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I'm using RenderPipeline.beginCameraRendering(), but that only provides a Camera, and I'd like to access the HDCamera, but I can't figure out how.

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I'm on HDRP 6.9.2

turbid matrix Oct 27, 2019, 10:28 AM

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@desert yew you know that 7.x has proper custom pass support now?

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Need 2019.3 tho

median raptor Oct 27, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Nobody knows why it doesn't show me in the Game window?

mossy lynx Oct 28, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Did Unity just re-break LWRP Android VR on 2019.2?
I'm getting a ton of fancy problems with it forgetting how to map the eyes in single pass
Like it did a while back

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X-posted in shaders and virtual reality

noble osprey Oct 28, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Hi, do you know why my HDRP Custom pass volume shows outline only on scene view?

turbid matrix Oct 28, 2019, 1:49 PM

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@noble osprey have you tried it with only one view visible at the same time?

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or in build?

scarlet hull Oct 28, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Could it be that the game view camera is not using the custom pass volume (not global volume or wrong layer mask) ?

noble osprey Oct 28, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Oh god. I found out what happened. Sorry! 😛 Max distance value was too low

long mural Oct 28, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Hi there. Has anyone got the Oculus Avatar hands working with the Light Weight Render Pipeline (LWRP)? Even using the latest version of Unity and the Oculus package, the hands are still showing up as pink. I've tried upgrading the project materials via Edit->Render Pipeline->Update project materials to Lightweight RP Materials. No luck. 😦 Any hints, tips, etc. much appreciated. Thanks.

turbid matrix Oct 28, 2019, 2:23 PM

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https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/commit/f4e9daf83bd4cfe4fe8d913d27ae4f46d2d45731

GitHub

Update min versoin to a11 (#4896) · Unity-Technologies/Scriptable...

> Is this mean that this error will be here till Unity 2020.1.a11 will be released?
> I'm getting this error with 2020.1.a9 (latest public version).

Hi, as explain in the ...

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master now requires 2020.1.0a11

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we are now at a9 :p

ripe fable Oct 28, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Cool

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Everything from 2019.3 also gets merged into 2020.1 right? Haven't really looked into it lately

long mural Oct 28, 2019, 2:32 PM

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@turbid matrix Thanks for the link. 🙂 With LWRP now production ready, have you heard anything about Oculus updating their Unity based Oculus package so that the avatar hands will be compatible with the LWRP? Thanks again.

turbid matrix Oct 28, 2019, 2:40 PM

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@long mural Unity is coming up with a new XR package setup now

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it'll replace the old plugin setup

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like, they will have one major XR package that then handles all VR and AR devices through it

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I haven't checked if they released the preview for it for 2019.3 already

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basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stqk1GxlSK0

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long mural Oct 28, 2019, 2:50 PM

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@turbid matrix Thank you so much for the information, I didn't know about this! 🙂

hidden ridge Oct 28, 2019, 4:41 PM

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@long mural just select a different shader. LWRP requires almost all shaders to be different from the built-in RP

long mural Oct 28, 2019, 5:59 PM

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@hidden ridge Good idea, though the shaders used for the Oculus controller hands are created via code at start-up, ie: no field to change unfortunately.

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When developing for VR, has anyone here got any real world feedback on the performance difference between the standard renderer versus LWRP? ie: is there a massive performance increase to justify switching over to LWRP? Thanks

hidden ridge Oct 28, 2019, 8:54 PM

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@long mural in code set renderer..material.shader = Shader.Find("Lightweightwhatever/whatever");

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there's programmatic ways to do almost everything in Unity.

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LWRP is not a huge performance increase. on PC at least.

turbid matrix Oct 28, 2019, 10:07 PM

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https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/tree/universal/ssao

GitHub

Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline

Scriptable Render Pipeline. Contribute to Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline development by creating an account on GitHub.

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- Barebones SSAO working
- AO included with shadow resolve pass
- No exposed controls```

graceful lance Oct 29, 2019, 12:56 AM

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W

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Why are the games and the scene showing different?

proper locust Oct 29, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Your game view must have got post processing effects acting on it

graceful lance Oct 29, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Oh thank you i solved my problem ^^

hidden ridge Oct 29, 2019, 3:30 AM

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@turbid matrix that's great news!

dawn sorrel Oct 29, 2019, 12:46 PM

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@buoyant solar Hi! I just saw your message about a slow down when activating SRP Batcher. It's not expected, do you have more details or even better a small repro project to share?

buoyant solar Oct 29, 2019, 12:50 PM

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@dawn sorrel I don't have a sample project to share, but it's basically a big mesh for terrain and lots of trees on it, and a low-poly shader. Nothing really fancy.

dawn sorrel Oct 29, 2019, 12:53 PM

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did you tried the SRP batcher benchmark class? https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/SRPBatcherBenchmark/blob/master/Assets/Scripts/SRPBatcherProfiler.cs
Just add that script to your scene. If you could post two screenshots with & without SRP batcher active, maybe I can get some more info

GitHub

Unity-Technologies/SRPBatcherBenchmark

various benchmark scenes for SRP batcher ( both LWRP & HDRP ) - Unity-Technologies/SRPBatcherBenchmark

turbid matrix Oct 29, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Nice to see more unity graphics devs here :)

primal jacinth Oct 29, 2019, 1:01 PM

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@dawn sorrel doesn't have his "unity" tag yet, but I can confirm he works at Unity (in front of me actually...)

turbid matrix Oct 29, 2019, 1:03 PM

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That was my assumption, considering the topic and nickname :)

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@primal jacinth btw do you know if that urp ssao is going to land on 2019.3?

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A lot of people have been asking about it

primal jacinth Oct 29, 2019, 1:06 PM

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I can't really say honestly, but if I had to guess I would say 2020.1 given everything that has to land in 19.x that is higher priority :/

buoyant solar Oct 29, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Yeah, 19.3b crashes a lot for me with HDRP…

turbid matrix Oct 29, 2019, 1:08 PM

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yeah, I assume 2019.3 release is getting close already

primal jacinth Oct 29, 2019, 1:08 PM

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very, very close indeed...

turbid matrix Oct 29, 2019, 1:08 PM

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but then again 2019 LTS cycle i still long 🙂

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 1:13 PM

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@dawn sorrel I also get a slightly slower performance (10-15 fps slower - around 6.79ms Batcher on - around 6.2ms batcher off) with batcher on vs off but it's always been that way since it was first introduced in 2018

Also is there a way to properly profile HDRP with SRP batcher on?

dawn sorrel Oct 29, 2019, 1:15 PM

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@glad tartan are you talking about global frame time ( 6.79ms) or SRP Batcher time? ( ie numbers displayed with SRPBatcherBenchmark.cs class )

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 1:16 PM

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That was global. I can get you the CPU rendering time and code path

turbid matrix Oct 29, 2019, 1:18 PM

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@glad tartan you could probably get better figures with that linked benchmarking class tho

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 1:19 PM

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@dawn sorrel SRP Batcher On

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SRP Batcher Off (Materials using GPU instancing)

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@turbid matrix Yea, I've been using it since it was introduced as min profiler, that's actually the version I still use.

dawn sorrel Oct 29, 2019, 1:26 PM

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ok so batcher is still efficient ( 1.88ms instead of 2.42ms ). total time isn't faster because you still have 0.67ms of objects using standard code path. My guess is that these objects use a non SRP batcher compatible shader.

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 1:40 PM

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@dawn sorrel Yes, that's the weird thing with SRP Batcher enabled. Everything in the scene uses a default HDRP shader, Lit or layered Lit. In the frame debugger it shows that some objects use a new batch because "SRP: Node use different shader keywords" even with nothing changed between materials.

I like SRP batcher, it makes things easier to work with as I dont have to go to materials to enable instancing they just get batched. It's just a little difficult to see exactly what it's doing.

dawn sorrel Oct 29, 2019, 1:43 PM

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two different things here: frame debugger saying "different shader keywords" means that the shader variant changed, so the batch is broken. It doesn't mean it's not SRP batcher compatible. Often, when standard code path is used, it means that you have objects using MaterialPropertyBlock attached, or you have skinned mesh, or the shader itself isn't compatible. ( you can see that in the shader inspector )

buoyant solar Oct 29, 2019, 1:45 PM

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btw, I've noticed that keywords different is shown for neither of the reasons you mentioned – the only difference I could spot was base color…

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It was drawing all the same trees, albeit at different distance, so might be shadows, etc, but clearly not keywords

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Ah ok, good to know. everything in the scene uses Lit or Layerd Lit shader, no animated mesh, or MaterialPropertyBlock

buoyant solar Oct 29, 2019, 2:01 PM

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@dawn sorrel Is there a way to copy info from Frame Debugger to share with devs? Might be something we can't spot that causes batch break.

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 2:25 PM

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@dawn sorrel I figured out what was causing the standard code path to also render objects and it's the Terrain. So the Terrain shader isn't SRP batcher compatible

You got a lot of messages today. Thanks for the info/help

buoyant solar Oct 29, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Terrain is probably using DrawMeshInstanced

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Yes, Layered Lit is also not SRP batcher compatible.
Now I know, I never thought to check it as I though all the default shaders would be compatible

dawn sorrel Oct 29, 2019, 2:44 PM

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humm HDRP layeredLit is supposed to be batcher compatible. what unity version are you using? ( editor & HDRP package? )

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 2:46 PM

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this might be my fault.
I'm on 2020.1 a9 and using HDRP 8.0.0 from GitHub

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glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Are the ApplyShader Calls the drawcalls for SRP Batcher?

dawn sorrel Oct 29, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I have to check, if you don't manually modify layeredlit shader, then it's probably an issue on our side. I will check

dawn sorrel Oct 29, 2019, 3:33 PM

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but as a rule of thumb, all shaders provided with URP or HDRP are SRP batcher compatible (if not, we should fix)

glad tartan Oct 29, 2019, 5:48 PM

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ah alright. I didn't modify any of the shaders

plain finch Oct 29, 2019, 6:48 PM

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alright, so im working with HDRP, and im trying to create an image of each of my models, without HDRP, i would onPreRender create the model and a rendertexture to go with it, and onPostRender would un-assign the rendertexture, and delete the model, and loop this until all pictures are done, then delete the camera
but in HDRP, there isnt an onPostRender, so im not sure what i should use as a substitute
i tried alternating each time, on odd executions it creates the model, and on even executions it deletes them, but for some reason this only gives me the first model's picture

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    void OnPreRender()
    {
        if (progress < beasts.Length * 2)
        {
            if(progress%2 == 0)
            {
                mesh = Instantiate(beasts[progress/2].pfMesh, new Vector3(0, 0, 0), Quaternion.identity, transform);
                mesh.localPosition = new Vector3(0, 0, 2);
                cam.targetTexture = textures[progress/2];
            }
            else
            {
                cam.targetTexture = null;
                Destroy(mesh.gameObject);
            }
            progress++;
            Debug.Log(cam.targetTexture);
        }
        else
            remove();
    }```

scarlet hull Oct 30, 2019, 8:20 AM

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What's the point of doing this in OnPreRenderand not simply in a dedicated loop using Camera.Render ?

dawn sorrel Oct 30, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Anyone encountered the following specific problem:
Using Unity 2019.3.0b7 + HDRP 8.0.0 in VR Single Pass Instanced
If a terrain is using the Draw Instanced option the particles from visual effects graph are getting weirdly occluded, whatever the bounds are

glad tartan Oct 31, 2019, 12:27 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3hIculYFwM

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Optimizing & deploying real-time ray traced global illumination wi...

NVIDIA RTXGI was leveraged to create real-time global illumination in Unity. The product-facing integration of this tech combines great artist workflow with ...

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turbid matrix Oct 31, 2019, 2:48 AM

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bumping @weary fog @mental oyster @chrome hawk and @quasi mulch for DDGI talk awareness ^

weary fog Oct 31, 2019, 2:50 AM

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watching it right now, it's a good video for procrastinating 😄

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Is that Probe Volume script a generic probe volume script that'll be useable with the lightmapper or is that specific to DDGI

graceful lance Oct 31, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Where could I get detail information about renderer features in asset renderer?

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quasi mulch Oct 31, 2019, 1:32 PM

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DDGI is wonderful except for the project I am now on VR and Universal pipeline

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(I'm indie so this shit happens)

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What I would love is for regular probes to actually function you know? in 2019.3 and 2020.1 they don't even bake in addition to being invisible.

Using third party asset Bakery, the problem is solved, however Bakery can't handle LDR + Linear (my particular mix)

drifting vault Oct 31, 2019, 2:56 PM

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@quasi mulch with VR? I tried to use URP for Oculus Quest but not working 😦

thorn wedge Oct 31, 2019, 4:59 PM

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hey guys i have a quick question, i recently switched my project to HDRP and now if i use a ui canvas with world space, the canvas wont render at all, but camera space ui canvas works fine

prisma sleet Oct 31, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Does SRP Batching work on skinned meshes?

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I found my answer in the docs, it does not.

long mural Nov 1, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Hi all. Once a LWRP project has been created, is it possible to convert it back to using the standard RP? I'm finding a few of my plugins aren't compatible unfortunately, hence wanting to make the switch back without having to re-create all of my project again. Any advice, much appreciated. Thanks

brazen linden Nov 1, 2019, 1:42 AM

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@long mural

Switching the project:

In the graphics settings of the project settings unassign the LWRP scriptable asset

Other things to do:

To remove the extra code associated with LWRP uninstall the package(s) in the package manager
Some of the materials/shaders will have to manually be moved back to Built in render pipeline

long mural Nov 1, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Thanks @brazen linden , much appreciated. I followed your instructions, though everything in the scene is now bright pink and I'm not sure what you mean about manually moving the materials/shaders back to the built-in render pipeline. Does the built-in render pipeline exist considering I selected LWRP for the project in the first place? Thanks again.

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@brazen linden I think I may have figured it out, I have to go into each asset and reset the Shader to 'Standard'?

brazen linden Nov 1, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Yeah

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Unfortunately no automated way to do that that I know of

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You could search for all the materials using some keyword not sure what it is thoughj

long mural Nov 1, 2019, 2:14 AM

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@brazen linden It'll still be quicker than creating the entire thing. Thanks 🙂

brazen linden Nov 1, 2019, 2:15 AM

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You can multi edit materials by shift clicking

long mural Nov 1, 2019, 2:15 AM

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My scene is slowly coming back to life. 🙂

candid basin Nov 1, 2019, 6:47 AM

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I'm confused

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should AA be set here in the camera inspector?

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or here

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in the pipeline quality settings

candid basin Nov 1, 2019, 8:31 AM

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also

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are lens flares working in urp/lwrp?

uncut root Nov 1, 2019, 8:54 AM

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@candid basin FXAA/SMAA are post processing effects, while MSAA works on a lower level, during the rasterization stage I believe.

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Lens flares don't seem to work. I have no doubt they could make them work, but doesn't seem to be on the rader 😛

candid basin Nov 1, 2019, 10:21 AM

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okay cool!

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and hmm then I might just put the lens flare thingies as objects in the scene

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the scene is pretty static anyways

still drum Nov 1, 2019, 3:42 PM

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How can I use SpriteMasks with the new 2D Renderer? It seems they are not supported, are they?

simple vine Nov 1, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Hmm, I think I don't understand something

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How do I bind RenderTargets for rendering in SRPs?

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I've snooped around the source code for URP and so far I don't think I can find any APIs for setting the color and depth destinations for the next drawing operations

glad tartan Nov 2, 2019, 6:18 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx9Kzx2POKc

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Learn how the Boat Attack demo was created using the Universal Render Pipeline. These slides offer an in-depth look at the features used in the demo, includi...

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amber lichen Nov 2, 2019, 6:36 AM

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if you make lots of UI that consists of multiple cameras stacked, how do you get around that in lwrp for the time being?

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like 2d layers in the background, 3d objects in the middle, 2d layers in the foreground

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or something more complicated

frigid nova Nov 2, 2019, 9:32 AM

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@turbid matrix High Definition RP 7.1.2 does not work with my projects is there a latest i can grab ,the last working version is 7.0.1

frigid nova Nov 2, 2019, 9:51 AM

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on HDRP 7.1.2 im missing the "SerialazedScalable Settings.cs" that why the gui of anything does not appear correctly

bold helm Nov 2, 2019, 12:00 PM

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For some reason my cameras in any HDRP scene are always white. How can I fix that ?

wheat inlet Nov 2, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Does anyone have weird artifacts when trying to bake lights in URP?

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This is with beta8

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This is with realtime ☝

drifting vault Nov 2, 2019, 5:38 PM

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@wheat inlet its happened with URP only? At standart render pipeline all baking good?

wheat inlet Nov 2, 2019, 5:38 PM

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I'm not sure, I have only started playing with baking since moving to URP

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The colours seem to be wildly off too

drifting vault Nov 2, 2019, 5:49 PM

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@wheat inlet check that on your models

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wheat inlet Nov 2, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Thanks, will do - sorry for the late reply just prepping dinner

oblique plinth Nov 2, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Hey all. Is the Transparent Depth Pre Pass working for HDRP/Lit Master in Shader Graph? When enabled it doesn't seem to work the same as applying a HDRP/Lit shader to the same material.

graceful lance Nov 4, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Hi everyone. When i checked render post-processing in camera, my game view show nothing. Why is this? I am using unity 2019.3 with URP

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And this is unchecked view. You can see that post-processing not working in game view.

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lyric ravine Nov 4, 2019, 9:46 AM

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@graceful lance It's still broken on latest 2019.3 with latest released URP. Either use the master branch from SRP repo or wait for a proper release.

noble osprey Nov 4, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Hi, I have a problem with building HDRP-Custom-Passes Selection scene. Are you aware of this or I did something wrong?

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Scene with custom pass volume also crashing build.

scarlet hull Nov 4, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@noble osprey Oh, sorry, I made this script to have a kind of auto loading of additive scenes in editor only, not for build

noble osprey Nov 4, 2019, 1:53 PM

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@scarlet hull
That's alright 🙂 Do you also know something about build crash when Custom Pass Volume script is on a scene?

scarlet hull Nov 4, 2019, 1:55 PM

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iirc, the dev ( @woven sonnet to the rescue !) knows this issue and a fix is on it's way

noble osprey Nov 4, 2019, 2:17 PM

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@scarlet hull
Thanks a lot! I'll try to contact him 🙂

scarlet hull Nov 4, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Avoid contacting Unity employes through PMs, prefer pinging them for public answers that might help other peoples

noble osprey Nov 4, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Oh, alright. I'll remember next time.

wheat inlet Nov 4, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Thanks @drifting vault - It was the UV issue + the environment reflections intensity was a bit high 🙂

drifting vault Nov 4, 2019, 5:58 PM

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ah alright 🙂

wheat inlet Nov 4, 2019, 5:58 PM

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inland ferry Nov 4, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Quick question. Does HDRP support panoramic skyboxs?

drifting vault Nov 4, 2019, 6:31 PM

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@inland ferry HDRI?

inland ferry Nov 4, 2019, 6:31 PM

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?

drifting vault Nov 4, 2019, 6:33 PM

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@inland ferry this one?

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inland ferry Nov 4, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Yeah, how do you set a texture like that as the skybox?

drifting vault Nov 4, 2019, 6:36 PM

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@inland ferry click on texture, open inspector, change settings and then apply that to scene rendering

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just check some tutorials and documentation on YT

ripe fable Nov 4, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Has anyone tried VR + DX12?

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I can't get nearly the same performance in DX12 compared to DX11 😦

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I wonder if it's just a DX12 limitation/problem for now or if it requires some specific setup to get comparable framerates

turbid matrix Nov 4, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@ripe fable HDRP?

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DX12 in HDRP is known to be slower

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they are going to fix this on 2020 cycle only

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- DX12 is in preview state and have some functionnality not supported as this one:
d3d12: generating mipmaps for array textures is not yet supported.
This will be fix for 2020.1 and performance will be fix for 2020.2. Both DXR and DX12 should be out of preview in 2020.2```

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quote from: https://forum.unity.com/threads/unity-experimental-hdrp-dxr.656092/page-8#post-5005706

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I'm curious, how big difference (in ms) you see between DX12 and DX11 on your content?

ripe fable Nov 4, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Ah, yeah, HDRP.

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Haven't measured in my current project, but on my other project it went from 205 fps to 140 fps. (DX11 -> DX12), to give you a rough idea

turbid matrix Nov 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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high fps values give very little actual data on what is slowing it down

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but it does tell it's slower 😄

ripe fable Nov 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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yep

turbid matrix Nov 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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but yeah, I guess now we wait for 2020 LTS 😄

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I was hoping to get virtual texturing by 2019.3 but that ship sailed already

ripe fable Nov 4, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Currently playing with DXR in VR (oculus) with leap motion hand tracking, everything seems to work nicely

turbid matrix Nov 4, 2019, 8:16 PM

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I haven't tested VR support recently but I'd expect it to be more stable now considering how close to release we are

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it's had tons of issues on past when I tried it, like issues that got fixed and the reappeared in some alternative way later on 😄

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but I've always treated HDRP's VR even more experimental than HDRP itself

ripe fable Nov 4, 2019, 8:18 PM

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yeah, I've spent nearly all day getting the entire thing to work

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Biggest issue turned out to be that the leap motion library won't work on 2020.1 but works fine on 2019.3, very weird. All scripts go 'missing' without any compile errors, no matter what I do. (clearing library/etc)

turbid matrix Nov 4, 2019, 8:20 PM

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that sounds funky

ripe fable Nov 4, 2019, 8:20 PM

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yeah very, I didn't even expect any differences between 2020.1 and 2019.3 except for future changes

turbid matrix Nov 4, 2019, 8:20 PM

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like, they literally get wiped or just refs to thing don't exist anymore?

ripe fable Nov 4, 2019, 8:21 PM

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I can't even find the scripts in the project/asset list, it's like they don't compile, but there are no compile errors

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Literally tried everything, starting the project from scratch, creating it in different editor versions, downgrading/upgrading, etc.

turbid matrix Nov 4, 2019, 8:21 PM

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could be some asmdef/ref issue

dawn sorrel Nov 4, 2019, 8:54 PM

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How do I go about using the Line renderer in HDRP? The lines just appear dark... Wasn't sure if there was a specific shader I should be using for this, or what I should make in shader graph to make it work. Thanks everyone.

scarlet hull Nov 5, 2019, 8:06 AM

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@dawn sorrel We have know issues with line renderers, even if you use the HDRP/Lit shader. Works with unlit tough.

dawn sorrel Nov 5, 2019, 8:07 AM

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Oh okay, thank you for the tip! I'll do an unit shader then. Just needed a solid color anyways :p

lyric ravine Nov 5, 2019, 12:08 PM

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When, when, when will those show-stopping URP light glitches finally be fixed? This is happening on all released URP versions so far, and on current SRP master as of right now, and nobody replies to my bug reports about it.

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(not talking about the GIF glitch but about lights randomly affecting objects or not affecting objects depending on whatever)

drifting vault Nov 5, 2019, 2:05 PM

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@lyric ravine how did you get volumetric light in URP, or its fake cones?

lyric ravine Nov 5, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Fake cones; it's this one, I can highly recommend: https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/vfx/shaders/volumetric-light-beam-99888

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We're even using them in HDRP since the quality in VR is just not good enough with the "real" HDRP volumetrics for small cone angles.

noble osprey Nov 5, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Do know how to change shadow tint value from code?:P

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scarlet hull Nov 5, 2019, 3:27 PM

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HDAdditionalLightData.shadowTint

smoky orchid Nov 5, 2019, 11:03 PM

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@lyric ravine i had somewhat the same issue and solved it by ticking the SRP batcher box in the quality settings (in advanced)

lyric ravine Nov 5, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Yeah, I tried that before, but it seems to randomly work and not work

smoky orchid Nov 6, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Yes it solved it for meshes but shadows are still badly rendered for terrain

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Hey there, could anyone please point me the differences between URP/LWRP and HDRP? I mean, other than the fact that one will look better than the other by default

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I mean, I would like to know the differences in technical aspects such as optimization, rendering etc

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I want to make a cartoon-styled game, but at the same time I want it to have some effects and other things like normal mapping, bloom, etc

scarlet hull Nov 6, 2019, 12:57 PM

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URP : forward only at the moment, easier to extend, exports to all platforms
HDRP: deferred and forward, more lights, physical light units, more complex materials and lighting effects, exports to computer/ps4/XBox only

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Oh, I see

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With more lights, you mean like point, area, emission maps etc? as for lighting effects, are there any examples I can look at?

scarlet hull Nov 6, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Indeed, more type of lights, but also, more lights visible on screen

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and for lighting effect, the most visible that comes in mind is volumetric lighting

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Wait, so with URP, would I have a limit of how many lights I'd be able to see? If so, how many?

scarlet hull Nov 6, 2019, 1:09 PM

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I'm trying to find the informations again ...

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So, looking at the settings, you can have up to 9 lights per object (1 main per pixel + 8 additional per pixel or vertex)

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 1:15 PM

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"per object"? So if I have 10 objects in a scene, I can have 90 lights?

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That's not too bad actually, I thought that would be only 20 lights on a scene and that's it lol

scarlet hull Nov 6, 2019, 1:17 PM

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It means 9 lights maximum can affect a single object. Any additional light will get "rejected"

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You example is valid if one object is affected only by 9 lights, and nothing else.

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Also, 10 objects would more be 81 lights : 1 main (common) and 8 per object

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Hmm, alright, fair enough

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How can I set the lights that affect an object? Or is it automatic?

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For example, if I have 20 lights, but they have a distance long enough to appear they don't exist (100 units)

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kinda like 2 rooms with 10 lightbulbs each

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If I place an object in one room, would the other lights be "omitted"?

scarlet hull Nov 6, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Each light in Unity has a range parameter, and each object in this range is "affected" by the light

rain sable Nov 6, 2019, 1:24 PM

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I am unsure if it's the best place to ask that but, I'm using Command Buffers to render a blurred version of the game (used for menu background etc..).
For some reason, BuiltinRenderTextureType.CurrentActive seems to be UnityWhite (default white texture) if I use the frame profiler. I need to access what has been rendered up to now and I can't find the way to do it with CommandBuffers.

Any idea please?

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Hmm, I see

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makes sense

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Thanks a lot for the pacience, @scarlet hull :)

turbid matrix Nov 6, 2019, 1:29 PM

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@rain sable which renderer?

rain sable Nov 6, 2019, 1:44 PM

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@turbid matrix The default one. I wish I had time to look into making our own, but not before we ship our current project. (I asked here because it makes more sense here than in Shaders...)

turbid matrix Nov 6, 2019, 1:59 PM

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just asking because doing that on recent HDRP is somewhat trivial (fullscreen blur)

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that sounds like more of a post processing question tho (if you can render UI on top of the PP)

rain sable Nov 6, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Yeah if I had any control over the render pipeline it would definitely be trivial : ( Unfortunately I can't at the moment so I have to do that with the tools we have like CommandBuffer

turbid matrix Nov 6, 2019, 2:11 PM

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why can't that just be simple postprocessing effect?

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they used to have this on the old effects package: https://docs.unity3d.com/540/Documentation/Manual/script-BlurOptimized.html

Unity - Manual: Blur (Optimized)

The Unity Manual helps you learn and use the Unity engine. With the Unity engine you can create 2D and 3D games, apps and experiences.

rain sable Nov 6, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I can kinda do it in OnRenderImage, but that adds an additional Blit (from src to dst). It's not "just" a full screen blur that I want, I'm rendering it to a render texture bo then be able to use it anywhere I need

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and if I use OnRenderImage, that means I need to blit the result to the RT, then still Blit(src, dst) to render something to the back buffer.
If I would be able to do it through command buffers, I avoid that additional Blit.

drifting vault Nov 6, 2019, 4:01 PM

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hmm, Unity2019.3.9B not working with HDRP 7.1.2

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trim bone Nov 6, 2019, 4:34 PM

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a fix is apparently on the way for 7.1.3

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 4:36 PM

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I need some info on URP. Do I need to be using 2019.3 to make a URP project, or I can use 2019.2? Asking because I have a project on HDRP which I want to switch to URP.

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I was gonna switch it to LWRP but with the URP being announced, I decided to wait for URP to be released. However I've been looking at the docs and apparently it's already released? So I'd like to know if I can switch now

scarlet hull Nov 6, 2019, 4:49 PM

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You can switch now.

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Note that URP is mostly an evolution of LWRP. The big breaking change when then name change is the deprecations of the post processing stack v2 to use a new postprocessing system integrated in the render pipeline

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Ok, sweet. Thanks a lot!

scarlet hull Nov 6, 2019, 5:18 PM

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You still need to switch to Unity 2019.3.0beta to use it

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Oh, right

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Either way, is upgrading from LWRP to URP easy like upgrading from built-in to SRP?

scarlet hull Nov 6, 2019, 5:25 PM

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It's even easier.

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Like I said, URP is basically a renaming of LWRP 🙂

midnight oyster Nov 6, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Hmm

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Eh, guess I shouldn't waste my time and wait for URP to go live then. Thanks!

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Live as in not beta, that is

empty star Nov 6, 2019, 6:15 PM

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@rain sable try CameraTarget it might also depend where your command buffer is executed, ex if in Update that occurs before all other rendering, if it's a cmdbuffer assigned to the camera that may work.

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Or it's just a case of unity being unity and maybe worth filing bug report

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May also depend on forward VS deferred

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If you have renderdoc installed that can give some insight

rain sable Nov 6, 2019, 6:21 PM

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@empty star it's super strange, but Unity sets the wrong texture (UnityWhite) instead of the target RT. If I blit with no material (just copy) it works though, do I guess the two blit signatures don't go through the same code path

dawn sorrel Nov 6, 2019, 6:49 PM

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im trying a project from a tutorial about scriptable pipeline, but it says The name 'CoreUtils' does not exist in the current context. anyone knows what i need to do?

dreamy summit Nov 6, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Im having a trouble with lighting in URP, anyone got experience?

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Im using a point light for the main light, but it seems as if when i move the camera out a bit, the object behaves as if a second directional light has appeared, moving as if attached to the camera. I have intentionally removed ambient light and all other sources i can think of, and set the point light to mainlight in the lighting settings... Any thoughts? im also using a shader which i have managed now to get to make some simple smooth shadows, in shader graph, its using the built in "GetMainLight" function in a custom node to blend the shadows.

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@dawn sorrel have you tried updating all included packages with the package manager?

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@me if you respond :)

dawn sorrel Nov 6, 2019, 8:05 PM

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@dreamy summit No, because i found that particle surface shader will do a great job for me because it can be translucent and cast and recieve shadows on both sides

dreamy summit Nov 6, 2019, 9:13 PM

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I just wrote a shader to do that in shadergraph.... its so easy it should be illegal hehe

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@dawn sorrel i can explain what i had to do if you like? i've got it animated, light responsive, and i have also gotten how to do manual shadows via manual capture of light positions etc. Mine should be able to do everything the standard shader can, and with more control, once i finish with it. But... i did find some hurdles - if you wanna try shader graph, i can explain further :)

In regards to the original problem, i think it was some kind of error in unity, what i was experiencing seemed like the scene lighting button had been toggled off, and was acting as it does in the scene view, but in the game view too. Rebooted and its fine.

winter basin Nov 6, 2019, 10:01 PM

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SRP Noob here: I'm trying to figure out a good way to stack my cameras in LWSRP... was hoping i could just blit the opaque stuff to a temp rendertexture and have the transparent passes render over that. is that possible to do with rendering features or do I need to roll my own SRP?

dreamy summit Nov 6, 2019, 10:49 PM

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I was looking at some stuff today, and judging by the responses, its not directly supported.

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@winter basin

winter basin Nov 6, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Ok thanks I've been thinking of a bunch of possible workarounds that I'll try out tomorrow

turbid matrix Nov 7, 2019, 2:20 AM

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@winter basin it is not supported in lwrp

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There is special camera stacking coming for urp but it is not there yet

drifting vault Nov 7, 2019, 12:22 PM

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ok, from 2019.3.8b to 2019.3.10b HDRP 7.1.2 not working, materials inspector broken too

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marsh hollow Nov 7, 2019, 12:35 PM

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Hello, does anybody know what is better performance-wise for 2d: the LWRP with a global light or the regular unity renderer?

scarlet hull Nov 7, 2019, 12:38 PM

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@drifting vault This is a known issue, sorry

drifting vault Nov 7, 2019, 12:39 PM

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roll back to 7.1.1 helping

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i think 🙂

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hope at released 2019.3f1 HDRP will work good

scarlet hull Nov 7, 2019, 12:39 PM

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For some obscure reasons, meta files were missing when the package was published, and Unity 2019.3.0b9 introduced a new "security" in the asset pipeline : The asset imported is no more able to create meta files in the package cache (normal as it is supposed to be read-only) preventing to import 2 csharp files

drifting vault Nov 7, 2019, 12:40 PM

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wow

scarlet hull Nov 7, 2019, 12:40 PM

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My recommentation would be to stay on Unity 2019.3.0b8

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A new package v 7.1.3 with the missing meta files (among other fixes) is on the way

drifting vault Nov 7, 2019, 12:40 PM

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cool, thanks!

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also im note that in Unity2019.3.b10 has weird bug with project window

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scarlet hull Nov 7, 2019, 12:42 PM

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I think I heard about this one somewhere, so it is probably known

drifting vault Nov 7, 2019, 12:42 PM

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its opening wrong folders 😄

marsh hollow Nov 7, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Does anybody have a shader example of a 2d lwrp (or urp) for unlit sprites?
There is a Sprite-Lit-Default but not a Sprite-Unlit-Default 😦

turbid matrix Nov 7, 2019, 1:40 PM

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I'm assuming the fix is on the github already

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(for HDRP and latest 2019.3 beta)

turbid matrix Nov 7, 2019, 1:57 PM

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well, release/7.1.x seems to run fine on 2019.3b10 now

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or well, I have some funky lod issue on the default HDRP template but this is an old template, not one shipped with the latest beta

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basically the objects get culled from the rendering way too soon

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turbid matrix Nov 7, 2019, 3:46 PM

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tested this on fresh scene and I think the LODs are just set to cull too early there

trim bone Nov 7, 2019, 5:04 PM

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ah just tested and am getting the same early culling

turbid matrix Nov 7, 2019, 7:23 PM

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it's probably just badly setup scene

marsh hollow Nov 7, 2019, 11:03 PM

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I will ask again maybe I get lucky.
If I don't need any dynamic lighting: do I still get ant benefit from keep (or urp) for 2d sprites?

midnight oyster Nov 8, 2019, 1:31 AM

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How do I get bloom in my game? I already checked HDR on the LWRP asset, the Main Camera on my scene has HDR set to use Pipeline assets and I even added a post processing volume, but I still don't get a bloom effect.

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Enabling and disabling those options doesn't change anything.

true zealot Nov 8, 2019, 1:31 AM

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and you added bloom to the post processing volume?

midnight oyster Nov 8, 2019, 1:32 AM

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I did

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It doesn't really glow

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or is it glowing and I can't see it?

true zealot Nov 8, 2019, 1:32 AM

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That's not how volumes work

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you need a post process layer on the camera

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and a volume in the scene

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and you need their layers to match

midnight oyster Nov 8, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Oh, alright. I'll change it and see what happens

true zealot Nov 8, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Details here: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.postprocessing@2.1/manual/Quick-start.html
(Pinned to #💥┃post-processing )

midnight oyster Nov 8, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Sweet, it works greatly! Thanks a lot!

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true zealot Nov 8, 2019, 1:35 AM

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probably important to note

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midnight oyster Nov 8, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Hmm, I see

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I should use this if I want to make certain objects have bloom and others don't?

true zealot Nov 8, 2019, 1:54 AM

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No, it's unrelated. It's just to be a key to find the volume

glad tartan Nov 8, 2019, 3:35 AM

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So HDRP can cache shadows? Never seen an option for this before

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drifting vault Nov 8, 2019, 6:11 AM

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@glad tartan yes, you can setup sgadiws:every frame, on demand etc

glad tartan Nov 8, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Ah, yea I knew that but it never worked for me. Either shadows completely disappears or I get offset shadows that seems to work only in screen space.
I was under the impression that you needed to properly activate cached shadows by code

drifting vault Nov 8, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Oh

steel gorge Nov 8, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Hey Unity fam!
I'm using HDRP for my latest package and have come across light layers which is absolutely PERFECTLY suited for my needs! (https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@6.9/manual/Light-Layers.html)

Can someone tell me, am I limited to the 8 layers provided? If so will this be increased at any point?

Cheers!

scarlet hull Nov 8, 2019, 8:27 AM

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@steel gorge We might increase the number of light layers in the future, but it's a low priority task.
Note that using light layers is already costly, and increasing their count will only make it worse 🙂

steel gorge Nov 8, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Noted - thanks for the response!

open dagger Nov 8, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Hello ! Anyone has info on RenderTexture.SetActive() ??

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Gpu is taking 2ms and then, boom, 20ms spike

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anyone knows how i can trace that draw to it's origin ?

marsh hollow Nov 8, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Third time is the charm
If I don't need any dynamic lighting: do I still get ant benefit from keep (or urp) for 2d sprites? (I will make a bunnymark test and try to see)

thorny shale Nov 8, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Hello everyone. Does someone else have an issue with the triangle count? In the default HDRP scene both my tris and verts counters are zero:

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While this is in the camera view:

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I've updated unity and the HDRP to the newest versions

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I've had this problem with multiple Unity and HDRP versions

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The tris count in a standard 3D project does work so I assume it has something to do with the HDRP.

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 1:09 PM

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that stats window has been always off with HDRP, don't use it

scarlet hull Nov 8, 2019, 1:09 PM

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This a known issue.
The SRP batcher isn't very friendly with the reporting in the stats window

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 1:10 PM

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for example even the FPS it shows is wrong

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would be nice if it was actually useful someday again

thorny shale Nov 8, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Ooh okay, is there another way or tool I can use to measure the amount of triangle in the camera view?

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 1:13 PM

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there's some in-game debug mode for HDRP but I have no idea what it reports, I've never even enabled it

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ah, there's no such stats in it (just checked)

thorny shale Nov 8, 2019, 1:14 PM

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In-game debug mode? Where can I find more about that?

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 1:14 PM

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you enable it by pressing both gamepad sticks at the same time

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you know, the stick buttons

thorny shale Nov 8, 2019, 1:15 PM

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On a keyboard?

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 1:15 PM

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no idea what the keyboard bind is (if there is any)

thorny shale Nov 8, 2019, 1:15 PM

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ooh okay, thank you anyway😄

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 1:16 PM

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it's mostly the same as the hdrp debug view on the editor menu apparently

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just lets you toggle things in game

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only additional thing I see is "Display stats" but it only has fps and ms for frametime

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https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@7.1/manual/Render-Pipeline-Debug-Window.html

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You can also open this window at run time in Play Mode, or in the standalone Unity Player on any device on Development build. Use the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Backspace (command+Backspace on macOS) or press L3 and R3 (Left Stick and Right Stick) on a controller to open the window.

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so, ctrl + backspace is the keyboard bind, @thorny shale

thorny shale Nov 8, 2019, 1:19 PM

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aaah thanks, I just found it

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you can also open the panel in Window > Analysis > Render Pipeline Debug

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 1:20 PM

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yeah, that's what I meant by that editor menu

thorny shale Nov 8, 2019, 1:20 PM

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But it doesn't show anything else besides the frame rate indeed :/

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 1:20 PM

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other is in-game

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other opens in separate window in editor

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the in-game is mainly useful for testing things in actual build I suppose

glad tartan Nov 8, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Has anyone gotten the Physical sky to work with exposure values over 1 since 7.x.x?
Before that it was working fine but after 7.x.x any value over 1 and the sky is blown out

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 4:39 PM

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surely there's some exposure value you can tweak for that

glad tartan Nov 8, 2019, 4:45 PM

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yea, but i'm saying setting it over one since 7.x.x just blow out the sky. You used to be able to set it to any EV needed before

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 4:48 PM

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you mean there's no value you can tweak on the sky itself?

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pretty sure there was one

karmic mesa Nov 8, 2019, 4:58 PM

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hey guys someone know why while i create a scene create-->HD Template Scene--> renaming new scene and pressing confirm, this scene file disappear form project asset window..Unity wont let me create a hd template scene....im currently using 2019.2, hdrp,core pipeline,shadergraph (all 6.9.1 version). https://gyazo.com/30ded1e757d43323fde99b7e2c78b0e2 in the gif you see that after confirming/renaming the new scene it disappears. also tag me inf answer, thank you

Gyazo

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karmic mesa Nov 8, 2019, 5:20 PM

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For anyone else who got my same error just use the Render Pipeline Wizard and fix it, i feel dumb now ahah

glad tartan Nov 8, 2019, 6:18 PM

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@turbid matrix It's an issue with the sky. There is a value you can tweak.
What I was saying is that if you raise the value over 1 now since 7.x.x it blows out the sky. Before. 6.x.x - 5.x.x you used to be able to set it to the exposure needed and it worked fine.

I was waiting to see if it gets fixed and since it's still experimental I thought it broke for a version or so while being worked on.
But haven't seen anyone with this issue so I was wondering if it's just for me or maybe no one is using it or using it with a value over 1

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 6:49 PM

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I can check it later

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last time I tried it, it made weird artifacts to the scene so I couldn't use it

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that was fairly soon when it was initially merged

glad tartan Nov 8, 2019, 7:17 PM

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yea, the artifacts got fixed a long time ago

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I think early 6.x.x days

turbid matrix Nov 8, 2019, 8:49 PM

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you mean the bright few pixel spots ?

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could have been just one pixel + bloom

midnight oyster Nov 9, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Hey, could anyone help me why my shader looks different if I'm on the editor and when built?

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Top one is built, below is editor

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I'm following this tutorial https://connect.unity.com/p/zelda-inspired-toon-shading-in-shadergraph and part of this https://blogs.unity3d.com/2019/07/31/custom-lighting-in-shader-graph-expanding-your-graphs-in-2019/

midnight oyster Nov 9, 2019, 1:40 AM

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This is just a hunch I have, but it still could be the cause. I'm using a few custom function nodes and I'm using some compiler tag checks such as #ifdef LIGHTWEIGHT_SHADOWS_INCLUDED and #if SHADOWS_SCREEN. Could that be the cause?

midnight oyster Nov 9, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Nah, I tried to put an exclamation mark before the tag name and the materials got pink on both build and editor, so back to square one

dawn sorrel Nov 9, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Hi! Been looking to learn some lightning basics and while messing around with HDRP I keep having the following artifact

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Could anyone give me some pointers on having light be more consistent?

abstract basalt Nov 10, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Hi, I'm using HDRP in 2019.3.0b6 and one of my objects is visible in the editor but not when the game is built. In the console I get this message after building:

Dimensions of color surface does not match dimensions of depth surface
UnityEngine.GUIUtility:ProcessEvent(Int32, IntPtr)

I thought it could have been an issue with the materials, so I tried using the (visible) ground's material on my player, but it is still invisible. Anyone know how to fix this?

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Also the object and its children don't have any tags.

abstract basalt Nov 10, 2019, 2:27 AM

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I think I fixed it by ticking enable read/write on the mesh import settings

foggy plaza Nov 10, 2019, 11:40 AM

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Sorry for crossposting - maybe this is more related here though, so
Hey guys, do anybody have any clue on how to fix this issue? Some materials started to have this rendering bug when you look into specific direction. Only happens on Android, and not in Editor.

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grizzled kite Nov 10, 2019, 12:02 PM

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hey, just asking if anyone else has this issue: I updated to the latest 2019.3 beta and updated all my packages to latest. But after every second restart of the editor, the Autodesk shadergraph shaders in the universal pipeline package compile in an endless loop at editor start. Only way to get them to compile through seems to be to delete the whole library folder before each and every editor start. I couldn't find out how to permanently just delete those files (I don't use them anyway), as the package just resolves itself to default on every start as well.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen the issue and knows of a fix or better work-around then waiting 2 hours for the library to be rebuilt before every editor start 🙂

lyric ravine Nov 10, 2019, 12:34 PM

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@grizzled kite I think this is a known issue.
@foggy plaza is that LWRP/URP? Tons of issues still with that and Android VR.

grizzled kite Nov 10, 2019, 12:38 PM

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@lyric ravine well thank you for answering 🙂 I guess I'll wait for the next release then, because right now this is a huge blocker (especially together with the random crashes I get as well on going into play mode. it's a random chance I will be blocked from working for around 2 hours basically). I tried going back to the stable 2019.2 but it happens there as well now. Time for some better art 🙂

lyric ravine Nov 10, 2019, 12:39 PM

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you might want to reset your package cache. had similar issues. That being said, once it works it works ok, I'm on 2019.3 with URP/HDRP for multiple projects

foggy plaza Nov 10, 2019, 12:43 PM

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@lyric ravine yes it is
I think it may be related to occlusion as I didn't have the issue when the player was "floating" in the air w/o any obscuring structures around

dawn sorrel Nov 10, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Hi! I'm using HDRP and all my colours have gone and when I try to apply bloom the screen goes all black

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grizzled kite Nov 10, 2019, 12:56 PM

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@lyric ravine only deleting the PackageCache does not fix the issue though, only the full deletion of the whole library folder unfortunately. And then only for the first start.

lyric ravine Nov 10, 2019, 2:30 PM

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@grizzled kite please report a bug, thank you.

jolly gust Nov 10, 2019, 4:30 PM

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@foggy plaza Did u try to change rendering mode to single pass instanced?

foggy plaza Nov 10, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@jolly gust thanks, I'll try that

grizzled kite Nov 10, 2019, 4:52 PM

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@lyric ravine will do once I got the editor up again! thanks for trying to help though 🙂

foggy plaza Nov 10, 2019, 5:33 PM

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@jolly gust thanks a lot! that helped 🙂

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(specifically I've made the shield material to be GPU instanced)

turbid matrix Nov 10, 2019, 6:18 PM

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@dawn sorrel your first issue (shadow artifacts/ramped lighting) is a bias issue, there are bias settings on light sources you can try to tweak for this

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for the bloom, I assume that's some side-effect from other settings you have there, bit hard to tell without knowing more about the rest

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which gpu you have btw?

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asking because HDRP has had some issues on intel's integrated gpu's in past

stark crane Nov 10, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Hey folks, this might be a weird question, but is it possible to grab a render texture after post processing has happened? Using URP if that changes things.

jolly gust Nov 11, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Only via code. In srp you have access to event after postprocessing. So in theory you can write script for pulling out rendered texture. Not sure though how to push modified texture back to rendering.

surreal wadi Nov 12, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Hi there. In LWRP, this code which scrolled UVs in the old renderer does not seem to work. Does anyone know what I need to do?


            meshRenderer.sharedMaterials[ 0 ].SetTextureOffset( 1, uvOffset );```

This is basically my first experience at all with LWRP.

uncut root Nov 12, 2019, 10:11 AM

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@surreal wadi Try meshRenderer.sharedMaterials[0].SetVector("_BaseMap_ST", uvOffset); The SetTextureOffset function probably tries to set _MainTex_ST, which isn't used in LWRP shaders anymore.

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Not sure if it'll work, but worth a shot

scarlet hull Nov 12, 2019, 10:22 AM

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meshRenderer.sharedMaterials[ 0 ].SetTextureOffset( "_BaseMap", uvOffset ) should work imho

surreal wadi Nov 12, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Thanks! I will try it.

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Why on earth would they change that and break a decade of uv scrolling scripts?

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It seems kinda arbitrary

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I will try both once I get back into unity

scarlet hull Nov 12, 2019, 10:36 AM

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Use 1 as first argument for the function is for the property name ID. I'm unsure about how this int is mapped to the shader properties, but I can only guess :
I the built-in "Standard" shader, "_MainTex" is the second declared property (index 1), while in "URP/Lit" "_BaseMap" is the third one (index 2 then).

As for "breaking scripts" ... the change is minimal

lyric ravine Nov 12, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Anyone know what's the right way to blit into a rendertexture on HDRP/URP with SinglePass or SinglePassInstanced?
Regular Graphics.Blit gives only half sides, or nothing at all

oblique olive Nov 12, 2019, 1:53 PM

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just wondering which pipeline i should use for a 2d platformer, the graphics will probably be 32 to 64 bit

midnight oyster Nov 12, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Use either URP or the regular one

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Pretty sure HDRP is too overkill for 2D

turbid matrix Nov 12, 2019, 4:25 PM

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URP definitely

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considering it has dedicated 2D renderer

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and year, HDRP has overhead you pay for no good reason for that kind of game

digital mesa Nov 12, 2019, 9:50 PM

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I'm a bit confused by the documentation around URP. When I search for URP in the Package Manager, I can only find the LWRP/HDRP. The documentation I have seen seems to indicate the URP change over should have already happened? (2019.2).

frigid cypress Nov 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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the name change for lightweight to universal only applies to 19.3 and newer editor versions

digital mesa Nov 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Got it, thank you for the clarification, I thought I was missing some sort of package list. (Documentation is missing this bit).

candid basin Nov 13, 2019, 12:07 AM

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in urp I would like to use camera->Clear flags->Depth only but it is not available

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what is an alternative?

lavish pumice Nov 13, 2019, 5:38 AM

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I'm using Unity 2019.2.12f1 with the LWRP and 2D Renderer, and when I make a TilePallete the tiles are all black in the pallette, is there a work around?

jolly gust Nov 13, 2019, 5:56 AM

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@candid basin camera stacking is not available on lwrp/urp at the moment. Alternatively you can write your own renderer with srp (which is a bit complicated)

candid basin Nov 13, 2019, 6:16 AM

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I found a quick fix @jolly gust I commented out some lines in the URP code and what I want is working 🙂

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Hopefully camera stacking support is coming

turbid matrix Nov 13, 2019, 9:59 AM

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There is wip branch on github for it

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And design document that explains how it will work

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For urp that is

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I have no idea if hdrp would ever get it

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https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/commits/universal/camera-stacking

GitHub

Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline

Scriptable Render Pipeline. Contribute to Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline development by creating an account on GitHub.

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last commit on that branch 18 hours ago, so it's still actively worked at

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no PR for the feat yet

iron berry Nov 13, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Since unity's custom shadow essential no longer works, are there any alternative approaches to get good, detailed shadows on characters in close up scenes?

drifting vault Nov 13, 2019, 12:21 PM

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@iron berry contact and micro shadows in HDRP render?

turbid matrix Nov 13, 2019, 12:22 PM

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can do contact shadows on built-in too if you use some asset for it

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NGSS probably does it at least

empty star Nov 13, 2019, 5:42 PM

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@lyric ravine are you blitting with a material specified? Basically hdrp doesn't set or use the old unity_ matrices, so some functionality is broken anywhere unity would use the blit internally. I think you could set the Unity matrices prior to the blit. Usually now I just use Draw Procedural with 3 vertices and use the procedural blit hlsl for full screen triangles.

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And for stereo instancing you need to target with cube map faces as -1

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And use unity's macros for sv_rendertargetarrayindex

lyric ravine Nov 13, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Blit with regular rendertexture + Unlit seems to work fine, but with stereo it doesn't

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Do you have an example at hand for "get the camera image into a texture for single pass/single pass instanced"?

empty star Nov 13, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Yea once I'm at work I can post an example

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It basically involves an #ifdef for stereo and using texture2darray

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And if you're blitting to a texture it also has to be rtarray, if you want to merge stereo to sbs that could work too

lyric ravine Nov 13, 2019, 5:51 PM

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👍 thanks, looking forward to that

nocturne scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 10:48 PM

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So , does anyone know if one day all the standard objects will work in the render pipeline or possibility of an automatic converter changing them? or will assets always only work on either one or the other?

turbid matrix Nov 13, 2019, 11:30 PM

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define "standard objects"?

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(I have no idea what you refer to with that

nocturne scaffold Nov 14, 2019, 2:12 AM

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@turbid matrix Woops meant to say, objects which use the standard shaders, as oppose to the HDRP or LWRP. They basically just look fully pink in the pipeline mode if they use the standard renderer

jolly gust Nov 14, 2019, 5:06 AM

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@nocturne scaffold You can go to edit>render pipeline>upgrade all project materials to universal.

Built-in going to be deprecated at some point.

turbid matrix Nov 14, 2019, 10:07 AM

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@nocturne scaffold old shaders will never be compatible, you need to use pipeline specific ones

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so no, there will not be a day when they go back to the old shaders for new RP's

spare tiger Nov 14, 2019, 1:11 PM

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2D lights system uses URP/LWRP and released a guide for it here

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https://twitter.com/kalobrienz/status/1194964683075260417?s=20

✪ Kal CorgiBits ✪ (@kalobrienz)

Hey Folks! I've released my second guide for the new 2D lights for @Unity3D completely for free. Link is below. Learn how to light up your game with (Uses preview packages but fundamentals are the same with Unity 2019.3)! #gamedev #madewithunity #unitytips https://t.co/zRB...

▶ Play video

scarlet hull Nov 14, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Using custom passes in HDRP to evaluate thickness of glass :

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upbeat badger Nov 14, 2019, 4:22 PM

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water metaballs example is also very cool

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wondering is it possible to add lighting to that

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right now its only distortion i think

scarlet hull Nov 14, 2019, 5:11 PM

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It does lighting

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And not distortion but refraction 🙂 (subtle difference in the render loop)

nocturne scaffold Nov 14, 2019, 8:29 PM

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@turbid matrix thankyou. So basically all the old 3D assets not upgraded to be compatible will only work on old versions of unity soon. But I would hope eventually there will be an asset to make them compatible automatically

turbid matrix Nov 14, 2019, 8:30 PM

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@nocturne scaffold your old meshes are fine

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you only need to use HDRP/URP/LWRP compatible shaders with them

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and if you used standard shaders for the meshes, there are material upgrade scripts that will change the materials to SRP supported shaders for you...

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those upgrade scripts can't upgrade custom unity shaders tho, only the standard ones

nocturne scaffold Nov 14, 2019, 9:57 PM

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@turbid matrix alright thanks. i understand now. I just saw people complaining in reviews certain assets that actually use standard shaders didnt work in HDRP. but I guess that was before there were material upgrade scripts

fading rose Nov 15, 2019, 3:11 PM

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@scarlet hull your glass looks very nice. tried setting up the standard glass with translucency etc?

scarlet hull Nov 15, 2019, 3:46 PM

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It's a very basic shadergraph :

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The trick is that I use a custom depth buffer to draw the back faces of the objet and use it to calculate the thickness.
As the thickness drives the result of the transmittance absorption color, it give those nice changes in the glass color

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^^ @fading rose

inland ferry Nov 16, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Hey, I am using HDRP, and trying to get a strong bloom, but not having much luck. I feel like I remember someone saying that they made it more physically accurate, so you can't get super strong bloom with it. Is that right?

waxen lantern Nov 16, 2019, 5:25 AM

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@inland ferry I believe that is correct. HDRP post process bloom is based on physically based rendering and high dynamic range, not the bloom of the past where you can just set a unrealistically low threshold and blow everything out.

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if you want an NPR / non photorealistic rendering bloom you may have to implement a custom post processing effect

jolly gust Nov 16, 2019, 5:46 AM

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@waxen lantern I have a problem with postprocessing on single pass stereo mode on universal. It is just not working for second eye (known issue for srp team). Do you have any recommendations how I can implement custom postprocessing?

dawn sorrel Nov 16, 2019, 7:56 AM

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@scarlet hull That wasnt built in Unity itself was it?

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The glass statues

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 8:44 AM

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@inland ferry basically how you do it now is that you use small bloom intensity values (0.1-0.3) and do the glowy effect by adjusting emissive values

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there's separate emissive variable set on the materials now

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in past you could use whole bloom intensity range but now if you do it, it's like full screen blur

scarlet hull Nov 16, 2019, 8:44 AM

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@dawn sorrel Well, the statue model by itself no, it's from the stanford scanned models library :)
But on the screenshot, the right one is rendered with built-in HDRP/Lit shader, using transparency, refraction and absorption color.
On the left it's practicaly the same, but the refraction thickness is driven by very simple thickness estimation using a custom depth buffer rendered with the custom passes HDRP feature

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 8:46 AM

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@inland ferry here's actually my old thread about it 😄 https://forum.unity.com/threads/hdrp-5-3-0-ppv3-bloom-blurs-the-whole-frame.620272/

Unity Forum

HDRP 5.3.0 PPv3 Bloom blurs the whole frame

Could be early impressions but I don't really like how the new HDRP bloom filter unsharpens the whole image. I know the new filter is supposed to be...

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back then I really thought it was a bug

scarlet hull Nov 16, 2019, 8:47 AM

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@inland ferry I can also add that if you want to achieve the unrealistic bloom effect, look for the "Exposure Weight" parameter

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 8:48 AM

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ah it was labelled as exposure not emissive?

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anyway, I try to refer to those additional values 😄

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from that thread:

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those probably look tad different now

scarlet hull Nov 16, 2019, 8:50 AM

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The whole idea is that it allows you to controll how the pre-exposure is applied to the emission. If 0, no exposure is used, resulting in a very high value in the color buffer, and thus, a bloom "glow" effect

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 8:50 AM

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btw

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once 2019.3 releases and since we have custom post processing now

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expect to see old style bloom filters on the asset store soon :p

scarlet hull Nov 16, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Yeah 😄

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 8:51 AM

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I could see things like different AO's and blooms coming up

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as not everyone is fond of the GTAO

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these work in quite different way compared to the past setups and people don't like change in general

scarlet hull Nov 16, 2019, 8:53 AM

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I'd argue that if people don't like change, why move to HDRP then ?
I mean ... it changes A LOT from built-in

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 8:53 AM

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because they want prettier rendering, just with controls they've used to for PP etc

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I don't all agree on being stubborn on past ways

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but I also totally understand why someone would prefer the old bloom that didn't blur the image :p

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because I personally hate the blur part

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I like the new bloom effect visuals otherwise, but it pains me to know it straight up softens the whole frame in somewhat linear fashion with intensity value

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so I could never even consider myself putting anything bigger than 0.1 to that intensity

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even with 0.2 and toggling the effect on and off really shows what it did, at 0.1 you still can't tell easily it affected the whole frame

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that of course totally depends on the scene and look you are going for

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for some cinematic scene, I could see people using higher bloom intensity values just fine

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as another note:
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/releases/tag/v7.1.5

GitHub

Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline

Scriptable Render Pipeline. Contribute to Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline development by creating an account on GitHub.

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looking at the changelogs, it's mainly bugfix against 7.1.4

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 10:26 AM

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btw re: change

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there's already been tons of people annoyed by the new bloom and ao on the forums, so clearly they do have different expectations

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I'm not saying either is bad change in the long run, just that one can see that a lot that people want the old ways certain of things

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for things that change that dramatically, I'd love to see some "legacy" versions as option

mental cedar Nov 16, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Hello, i'm using the hdrp and for somehow my texture on my ceiling seems to fade to gray, tough it was the post process but it isn't 😕

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true zealot Nov 16, 2019, 3:24 PM

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it's texture filtering

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Turn up the Aniso Level on your textures

mental cedar Nov 16, 2019, 3:25 PM

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ha ? and how can i fix it 😮

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OH IT WORKED THANK YOU SO MUCH !

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 3:29 PM

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yeah, that's typical

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it's not HDRP specific either, you'd see the same on built-in renderer too

mental cedar Nov 16, 2019, 3:33 PM

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good to know ^^

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so i think that it use more gpu/cpu as it grow up

slim flicker Nov 16, 2019, 4:08 PM

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what did LightTypeExtent get changed to from 7.1.2 to 7.1.5? Hybrid Renderer 0.1.1 won't compile and there's no changelog or manual updated beyond 7.1.2 as usual

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 4:10 PM

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@slim flicker are you telling hybrid worked for you with 7.1.2?

slim flicker Nov 16, 2019, 4:10 PM

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I updated to 7.1.5 because 7.1.2 was throwing even more errors lol

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 4:10 PM

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I have a memory the api change that broke hybrid happened months before 7.1.2

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there's bunch of changes since btw

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at this point, I'd wait

slim flicker Nov 16, 2019, 4:11 PM

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sick

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 4:11 PM

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because Unity is about to release new version any day now

slim flicker Nov 16, 2019, 4:11 PM

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what's the last working version

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 4:11 PM

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7.0.x something I'd guess

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but those will not work with latest 2019.3 betas

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so atm, it's really best to wait a bit if you are not in a hurry

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Unity used hybrid on their shooter thing they are about to release

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but they are still fixing last issues with the setup

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it was originally planned to be out by now already

waxen lantern Nov 16, 2019, 4:31 PM

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@slim flicker I submitted this issue with the hybrid renderer 0.1.1 + hdrp 7.1.1+ in a bug report and got this response:

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`Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:57:30 +02:00
Subject: Re: (Case 1189048) Hybrid Renderer throws 4 errors on import when HDRP 7.1.1 or above is installed

Light components are removed from the next release which is coming out later this week.
We are bringing them back in another format in another release. The current approach was not maintainable or performant. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Joachim Ante`

lyric ravine Nov 16, 2019, 6:14 PM

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@waxen lantern wow that bug report escalated really high up the chain ^^

waxen lantern Nov 16, 2019, 6:33 PM

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@lyric ravine I also noticed Joachim has a likelihood of commenting on forum threads relating to DOTS features and workflows, so it must be of a particular interest to him.

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 6:33 PM

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heh, yeah

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usually you don't see more than QA interpretation of the situation

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but yeah, they changed the API

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while it's technically possible for you to update the api yourself, it's very tedious task now

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I'd just wait for next hybrid release as it has to be super close to release now

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I hope they will fix these issues faster in the future, this isn't first time hybrid because outdated due to api change

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and it took quite a while last time for them to released fixed version as well

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I think it's because hybrid is released along with entities and they can't easily just fix the hybrid

waxen lantern Nov 16, 2019, 6:36 PM

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@turbid matrix that's sort of what I did to work around it and got the hybrid renderer to compile on HDRP 7.1.2, just added some 0 values in the HDadditionalighitngdata structure and commented some other things out

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 6:36 PM

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(because these both evolve at the same time behind the curtains)

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they earlier removed shadow data too

waxen lantern Nov 16, 2019, 6:37 PM

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which disabled some lighting features like shadows yeah

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 6:37 PM

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it was merged to light data or something

waxen lantern Nov 16, 2019, 6:37 PM

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which i wasn't using in my DOTS experiments anyway

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 6:37 PM

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what I did before was that I just reverted the commit from HDRP itself

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but right now I'm not using Hybrid at all

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there's just too many things it doesnt work with properly + it's often getting left behind the HDRP api

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so it's not really worth it for me yet

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I hope one day it's ready for prime time

waxen lantern Nov 16, 2019, 6:39 PM

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well presumably there will be a "DOTS Editor"

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and hybrid renderer can be deprecated

turbid matrix Nov 16, 2019, 6:39 PM

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wonder who would reply if I reported hybrid not working with DXR 🤔

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that being said, I've made enough noise about that so that they do know it's broken

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so can't really bug them more about it as I don't want to be that much PITA for them :p

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I talked with Lucas about it on Unite and Sebastien also responded when I asked about the fix ETA on the forums (I knew they won't give one but had to ask anyway)

drifting vault Nov 17, 2019, 10:08 AM

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Well... HDRP 7.1.5 fixed problems, but now when i press play mode, my Unity 2019.3.11b just importing same object infinity time 🤔

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Will try clean library, hope that help me

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in manager seems like Unity working, not stuck(Not responding)

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but most fun to see blender while Unity import FBX files in progress bar 🤔

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and everytime when i open project , get this message:

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drifting vault Nov 17, 2019, 10:37 AM

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but i really like custom Post Effects 🙂

craggy whale Nov 17, 2019, 11:58 AM

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Hi Guys!

Im just wondering if you could give me some guide what I could look into regarding my problem. As seen in my gif, there are two meshes (one green big thing and a darker small square moving around) on the screen and they are rendered differently in the Editor and in the Camera. You can see that the small square is not visible always on the rendering of the camera but its always visible in the Editor. What I checked so far:

not a Z fight, because there are like 20 units between the two mesh
the small object is not near the rear nor the far pane of the camera

Any tips or further readings that you think can help would be cool! Thanks!

📎 meshes.gif

stable vale Nov 18, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but is anyone else useing HDRP able to make there decals emmisive? aparently the shaider has the option to but i cannot see any effect.

scarlet hull Nov 18, 2019, 1:25 PM

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It should work ... maybe the emission intensity is too low ?

stable vale Nov 18, 2019, 1:40 PM

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i set it at max

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i also tried adding other random textures as emmisive maps, and i cannot see any change at all

scarlet hull Nov 18, 2019, 1:47 PM

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No clue here ... I'm not sure, but maybe it was broken in an earlier version and got fixed. What version of unity / hdrp are you using ?

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Upgrading to HDRP 7.1.5 made the shadows flicker. Dark blotches flicker throughout the scene. 😦 This is very disappointing, every version fixes something while breaking something else. It makes it really hard to depend on SRP at all.

At this point near release it makes you wonder, are we going to be able to focus on making our project look great or are we supposed to spend our time troubleshooting the new graphics system?

stable vale Nov 18, 2019, 2:02 PM

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2019.2.11f1 HDRP 6.9.1

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 2:48 PM

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@fading rose regular or dxr?

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there's https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/pull/5035 but it's for DXR

GitHub

Fixing the flickering in scene and game view for ray tracing by an...

This also fixes errors in the console related to unbound resources (ray tracing)
Binding the Light Data related attributes in the global context of th…e command buffer as soon as they are ready
Bin...

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 2:49 PM

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I dare not touch DXR 😄

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 2:49 PM

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fair enough 🙂

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how I'd do it myself would be to bracket the versions between it broke and report the issue

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or well, I'd probably try to find the exact PR that broke it

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but I get it's time consuming

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it just helps Unity to find out the root cause faster if they know where they broke it in the first place

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 2:52 PM

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I did a few quite lengthy experiments and came to the conclusion it is only there as a rushed "me too" solution. LWRP is not even worth investing time on, HDRP has issues, and the old one is not as performant as a modern project needs it to be although it is super stable and great looking.

I am using HDRP for a new project and everything was great, except VR was not working. Now VR is working, but shadows flicker 😄

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 2:53 PM

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that sounds like some buffer clearing issue

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I'm sure it'll get sorted before full release

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 2:53 PM

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I am reporting regularly, but they can't reproduce it and in one case I have found them to call an issue resolved when it was clearly not. 2 versions passed until it became resolved.

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 2:53 PM

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ah :/

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those are always pain

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 2:55 PM

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yup. The thing is, I want to focus on my project and not on Unity's issues. Sadly, it looks like the best version with the least issues and best asset store support is still 2018.3-4. Then again, it is missing all the new features.

dreamy fox Nov 18, 2019, 3:28 PM

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I know can be frustrating to see issue closed as non repro, but we do genuinely try, we still appreciate bug reports with repro scenes, so please submit one for what you are seeing and hopefully we can get a sense of what's happening

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 3:53 PM

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I know very well how hard the team is trying to repro and I must say that Unity's QA team is one of the best I ever communicated, or worked with. (And I have worked with some amazing QA teams) I have several examples of how hard and honestly the team is trying to reproduce. That is not an issue.

I was not talking about a non repro though. I was talking about a particular problem that was accepted in the public tracker, and was marked as fixed and closed when it was clearly not so. And it didn't re-open even when I reported it again and worked with the team to reproduce it which they did.

Thankfully now it is fixed. So we can put it to rest. That may be a unique case, a single example at least for me it is, but I see so many people having the same issues which the team can't reproduce. Perhaps a different way of reporting and capturing bugs should be introduced. I really like how Windows Insider feedback hub works.

That is a discussion for a different channel though 😄

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 3:55 PM

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and in some cases where the issue gets marked fixed, it really is fixed with the repro case on that issue report but there's some other underlying issue that happens on others projects

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or.. possibly the same issue reappears after some future change

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I am pretty sure with so many users and system configurations out there this definitely happens.

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 3:55 PM

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like, srp batcher has been broken quite many times but I'm sure it's been for different reasons 🙂

dawn sorrel Nov 18, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Anybody know how to get terrain working on hdrp?

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Working great 🙂

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It is exactly the same as before, just assign a terrain material if you had already created the terrain without HDRP and now are converting your scene

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A new terrain should already use the correct terrain material.

dawn sorrel Nov 18, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Ok awesome. I updated an existing project to HDRP and had to create a new material but now it's working. Thanks!

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 4:39 PM

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only thing not working: built-in terrain grass

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but it was so outdated setup you shouldn't miss it

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(too bad they don't really got up-to-date replacement though)

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you can still use the tree tool still

dawn sorrel Nov 18, 2019, 4:45 PM

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My trees are all pink

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Looking into it

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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pink = shader compilation issue

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with SRP's it's quite strong indicator that you are trying to use old style shader with SRP

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and those are not compatible

dawn sorrel Nov 18, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Yeah I'm going to start a new project with HDRP and start that way.

hexed mantle Nov 18, 2019, 6:41 PM

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How does one access RenderPipeline.beginFrameRendering in 2019.3? It's still in the documentation but doesn't appear to be accessible anymore...

lyric ravine Nov 18, 2019, 6:54 PM

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@fading rose please report a bug. Only way to get it solved unfortunately. It's been the same for about a year now, every release fixes some areas and breaks others.

hexed mantle Nov 18, 2019, 6:55 PM

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GOT IT.

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The context changed to RenderPipelineManager.beginFrameRendering and the variables changed.

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 6:59 PM

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@lyric ravine I know, and believe me I am reporting often. I am that close to going out for beers with a couple of the QA guys. 😄 But this is unprofessional. Not from the aspect of QA, but from a product development philosophy and strategy standpoint. Already moved a project to Unreal, don't want to move another.

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 7:52 PM

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out of curiosity, you haven't faced similar things on unreal?

jolly gust Nov 18, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Just humbly waiting for universal postprocessing on single pass stereo mode.

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 9:49 PM

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@turbid matrix there are so many users and configurations, chances are some may have had similar issues but this is not something Unreal is known for. Flickering (anything really ,shadows, AO, lighting) is so widely spread in Unity throughout versions that people have somehow internalized and normalized it, cracking sad jokes. The fact that I encounter the same issues in both 19.2 and a different version of the SRP as well as 19.3 and its latest SRP means there is probably a deeper issue.

turbid matrix Nov 18, 2019, 9:57 PM

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ah, I've been at unreal from 4.0 days and seen the complaints on that side, it hasn't really been different but of course different users will face more showstoppers than others

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terrain shadow bias used to be a huge PITA for ue4 users in past

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I think they've tweaked it since

fading rose Nov 18, 2019, 9:58 PM

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There is no software without issues and no tool without complaints. The question always is about the kind of issues and complaints.

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How persistent are they?

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If you have overhauled the entire rendering system and you still het flickering, well... I would think it is rather embarrassing.

empty star Nov 19, 2019, 4:02 AM

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I don't think they overhauled it, more like exposed what's there, imo. The comments throughout hdrp code make me think that they have to work around legacy internal engine code.

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A directional light flicker bug got fixed recently (2018.4~) and it took a lot of effort on the reporting side to convince unity it was a bug.

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But there are probably tons of reports of all kinds of things, I just hope things don't get forgotten.

indigo summit Nov 19, 2019, 6:25 AM

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HDRP have cache shadow now??? 🤔

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hexed mantle Nov 19, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Does anyone else notice that the alpha channel of transparent render textures, in LWRP, do not get updated with every render of the render texture? The alpha channel seems to update more like every 5th or 10th frame...

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So all visuals will update but they leave trails that fade away in the transparency.

drifting vault Nov 19, 2019, 8:52 AM

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@indigo summit yes, something like that

indigo summit Nov 19, 2019, 8:53 AM

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yeah just checked the latest HDRP, so it is a full cached shadow. Not Hybrid one

dawn sorrel Nov 19, 2019, 10:47 AM

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A question about HDRP
Is this correct in 2019.3?

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scarlet hull Nov 19, 2019, 10:54 AM

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Yep

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It never changed

indigo summit Nov 19, 2019, 11:04 AM

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i'm wondering if tesselation support in shadergraph are going to be included in the 2019.3 stable release 🤔

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since HDRP are planned to be out of preview

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 11:11 AM

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does anyone have any ideas why the emmision map is not working on my decals in HDRP?

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Ive spent 2 days trying to figure it out and nomater what settings i change i cannot see any emmisive effect at all, but normal emmision maps works just fine in my scenes

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here you can see the red bottons are emmisive as expected, but the decal is not at all

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im useing HDRP 6.9.2 (latest) and unity 2019.2.11f1

upbeat badger Nov 19, 2019, 12:10 PM

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you need to enable emissive for decals in hdrp asset

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 12:24 PM

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@indigo summit definitely not

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I mean, I'd want it, badly

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but there's no indication on github that anyone is actively working on such thing and it probably requires quite a lot of work on SG to make it happen

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I'd expect most features gotten frozen months ago..

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:29 PM

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@upbeat badger I can see where you need to activate metal and AO howerver i dont see any options to enable emissive there.

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i dont see it anyware else in the asset however maybe im missing it

upbeat badger Nov 19, 2019, 12:31 PM

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uh, i was wrong then. I thought you need to enable emissive also

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:32 PM

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=/ that would make sence considering how just nothing seems to be happening at all. it seems like they are 100% dissabled, not just bugged

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 12:51 PM

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@stable vale your emission map is blue?

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oh wait, which channel it used?

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:52 PM

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i have been randomly throwing diforent textures and no texture at all, etc

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 12:53 PM

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ah, so it's supposed to be RGB texture

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:53 PM

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yep

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 12:53 PM

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have you tried decal graph?

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I dunno if that's on 6.9

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:54 PM

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i have not?

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 12:55 PM

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well, decals emissive does work for me on 7.1.5

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I don't have 2019.2 installed to try 6.9

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:55 PM

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what are you running?

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2020?

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 12:55 PM

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2019.3.0b11

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:56 PM

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ok, well if it works on that, i may just upgrade

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thanks!

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 12:56 PM

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dont mind the shadowmap artifact there :p

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:57 PM

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xD

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https://tenor.com/view/schultz-isee-nothing-gif-11174103

Tenor

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 12:58 PM

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do note that 999 on luminance setup isn't really making things glow on my end either at sunlight

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you may try that EV100 option to get different scale

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it's starting to glow a bit around 20k

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for luminance values

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@stable vale

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but I'd assume that all depends on the relative values you got with other lighting and exposure

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 12:59 PM

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i tried all values, both lum and ev, and hdr

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 1:00 PM

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this was just on the hd template

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 1:00 PM

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sliding everything all around

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 1:02 PM

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ah the white shadow edge was from having base color white

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hmmmm, weird now that I think about it

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that's not how it's supposed to look like 😄

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once I enable metal and ao, I get this 😄

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which is how it should look with ACES

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it's weird tho, I didn't have any tonemapping setup

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it was first showing like it would with tonemapping off

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after changing the decal metal + ao setting it started using ACES 😄

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I can still manually put the tonemapper there and override it but it's really weird that it would swap the default suddenly if it's not setup yourself

ripe fable Nov 19, 2019, 1:56 PM

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https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/pull/5058

GitHub

Initial implementation of Area Light Barn Doors by anisunity · Pu...

Will add changelog later.
Still need to profile
and add a test scene

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Cool stuff

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More DXR related PR's have been opened/merged this week, in case anyone's interested.

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 2:06 PM

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what is area light barn door?

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ok...so: "Barn Door Angle", "Sets the angle of the Rectangle Light so that is behaves like a barn door."

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"Barn Door Length", "Sets the length for the barn door."

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that sounds like super specific use case

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which make me wonder, what is the actual use case for this?

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just for ref, these are the "barn doors" https://www.lightology.com/img/prod/original/26114.jpg

stable vale Nov 19, 2019, 2:24 PM

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that is super awsome!

upbeat badger Nov 19, 2019, 2:26 PM

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@turbid matrix https://youtu.be/EekCn4wed1E?t=348

YouTube

Unreal Engine

A Hands-on Look at Using Ray Tracing in Games with UE 4.22 | GDC 2...

As of Unreal Engine 4.22, Unreal’s renderer will support the new DXR API for real-time ray tracing. During this Unreal Engine Learning Theater session at GDC...

▶ Play video

trail flower Nov 19, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Hello, I am looking for some help on understanding how render targets work in LWRP: https://forum.unity.com/threads/trying-to-figure-out-how-the-render-targets-work-in-lwrp.779963/

Unity Forum

Trying to figure out how the Render targets work in LWRP

It's a long time I don't use D3D, so long that D3D11 didn't really exist yet, however I remember things, like being able to render the same data in...

indigo summit Nov 19, 2019, 3:04 PM

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@turbid matrix so a directional setting for area light?

upbeat cobalt Nov 19, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Hello, would anybody happen to know of a way to produce lens flares in the LWRP? I've been searching all day, no luck. I finally solved my problem with weapons clipping in LWRP, then it seems like another one just reared it's head up, lol.

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 3:12 PM

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@indigo summit I dunno, basically what those do is they limit the shape of the light afaik, but you can already do that with area light parameters

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so I wonder if this simulates some other physical properties that are side effect from the barn doors

indigo summit Nov 19, 2019, 3:14 PM

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hmm i think it's the same setting similar to this one https://docs.chaosgroup.com/display/VRAY3MAX/Plane+-+Disc+-+Sphere+Light+|+VRayLight

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the directional settings

drifting vault Nov 19, 2019, 3:27 PM

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@trail flower Robocraft upgrade rendering to LWRP?

turbid matrix Nov 19, 2019, 4:00 PM

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https://docs.chaosgroup.com/download/attachments/17344935/Max2016_PlaneLight_Directional_08.png?version=1&modificationDate=1503970400000&api=v2

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so like that

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yeah could be

hexed mantle Nov 19, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Thinking I found a bug here and want to check with the rest of you....

If you set a camera to have a RenderTexture, and set everything up so the RenderTexture will be transparent, it will work - however - the camera will constantly render artifacts into the transparency channel. The only fix I have found to this is to - while the game is running - select the RenderTexture in the inspector, and modify literally any setting. This seems to fix whatever went wrong, clears the artifacts from the RenderTexture, and prevents further artifacts from being drawn.

I've attempted to clear the RenderTexture each render update, and this does not fix it. I have also attempted to mimic the 'change any setting' from script, however Unity locks it down so you cannot change those settings from code, so that does not act as a work-around.

This appears to be a fatal bug in LWRP and URP camera rendertextures.

trail flower Nov 19, 2019, 4:26 PM

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@drifting vault robocraft is not under development anymore, this is for gamecraft

drifting vault Nov 19, 2019, 4:27 PM

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oh alright @trail flower

trail flower Nov 19, 2019, 5:50 PM

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anyone knows how to copy the depthprepass texture to the depth render target ?

mental cedar Nov 19, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Hello, i'm using unity 2019.3 with the hdrp and i would know if it's possible to completely disable lights on a scene like in the standard renderer when we press the light button on the top left of the viewport ?
As you can see, i uncheck this option but a new default light has come

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barren kindle Nov 19, 2019, 10:59 PM

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where can i see if hdrp quality settings is low, high or ultra?

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it definetly is not ultra right now because shadows looks like ass

scarlet hull Nov 20, 2019, 9:12 AM

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@mental cedar In the built-in renderer, this toogle replaced the scenes lights by some hard coded lights bound to the camera. In HDRP, it replaces the scenes lights by a mat-cap material

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@barren kindle Those tiers for shadows resolution are not quality settings, but more "per light preset".
Look in a light inspector in the shadow section, you will be able to choose shadow map resolution between low/medium/high/ultra/custom

waxen lantern Nov 20, 2019, 3:44 PM

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@hexed mantle It sounds like this is happening in the editor, but does it also happen in builds? That would be useful information to collect before submitting a bug report.
Also, since a "fatal" bug or error has a history of meaning that it causes a computer program to close, (the editor or your build executable crashes / is killed,) I wouldn't use it to characterize a rendering issue or artifact.

hexed mantle Nov 20, 2019, 3:44 PM

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It happens in editor and builds

waxen lantern Nov 20, 2019, 3:45 PM

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That said, don't hesitate to submit a bug report with weirdness like that, the scriptable RPs are such a work in progress I'm sure it's worth Unity investigating

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I also noticed the release notes of recent Unity 2019.3 betas commonly mention fixes or additions to RenderTexture, sometimes platform or device specific @hexed mantle

hexed mantle Nov 20, 2019, 3:50 PM

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It wouldn't surprise me. We had an issue before where RenderTexture transparency didn't work at all on Android in 2019.2, so we tried 2019.3b and in that the transparency issue itself was fixed, although an issue related to - as mentioned above, clearing the buffer, was still there.

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I did find a work-around solution however, with manually clearing the RenderTexture each render frame (I think I was doing it wrong before hah)

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Doing this in RenderPipelineManager.beginFrameRendering worked as a work-around:

                    GL.Clear(true, true, Color.clear);
                RenderTexture.active = null;```

waxen lantern Nov 20, 2019, 3:59 PM

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@hexed mantle ah, well that's the most useful type of bug report, then. where you are already injecting code into the RP for a workaround. 💯

hexed mantle Nov 20, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Truth!

glad tartan Nov 20, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Physical Sky getting some more love. Now sun flare
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/commits/HDRP/pbr-sky-improve-ux

GitHub

Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline

Scriptable Render Pipeline. Contribute to Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline development by creating an account on GitHub.

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I actually prefer using it over HDRIs because you get better ambient lighting with it and with clouds it will be the best sky system to use over HDRIs. Shadows from the clouds will make lighting more dynamic

ripe fable Nov 20, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Is there some kind of roadmap for the pbr sky? Will clouds be a thing? Haven't had a lot of success finding a good cloud solution for HDRP.

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Talking about Flares, it remind me how come Lens Flare Component not getting any upgrade of SRP support? 🤔

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i want to add blinding lens flare 😄

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Oh btw it seems Refraction Model Box Mode broken 🤔

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i'm using HDRP 7.1.5

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roughness working just fine in all mode, but refraction with normal map doesn't have any effect at all on box mode

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is there any SRP developer can confirm that? is it known issues or not?

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 7:52 PM

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https://blogs.unity3d.com/2019/11/20/normal-map-compositing-using-the-surface-gradient-framework-in-shader-graph/

Unity Technologies Blog

Normal map compositing using the surface gradient framework in Sha...

A recent Unity Labs paper introduces a new framework for blending normal maps that is easy and intuitive for both technical artists and graphics engineers....

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 8:09 PM

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@turbid matrix new feature addition to SRP or another repo/stuff that we need to add our own?

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 8:10 PM

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their sample seems to work on stock 7.1.2 HDRP

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so would guess they just use custom code node for SG

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as another note

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just found about this: https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/ScriptableRenderPipeline/commit/d0fe85e54d73044556c34619a755885e9f7ba214

GitHub

Added instructions on how to enable high quality filtering in defe...

…d mode.

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finally

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not the instructions but we can finally get PCSS on deferred too

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the obvious weirdness comes from having to modify files to enable it

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like... can't these be some settings in the editor?

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 8:11 PM

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another hidden settings

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 8:11 PM

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yup :/

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 8:13 PM

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speaking about deferred, i just totally forgot. What is the differences between forward and deferred in HDRP?

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in term of performance an visual 🤔

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 8:13 PM

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many things are not quite correct on deferred mode

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 8:14 PM

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i mean both can handle large amount of lights

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 8:14 PM

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but you gotta use it with DXR

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 8:14 PM

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ooh. . .

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 8:14 PM

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I dunno if you get AO normalmap details on forward tho

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haven't checked that

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 8:14 PM

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for some reason i always change my HDRP setting to forward

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and i forgot why 😄

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 8:15 PM

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@indigo summit https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@7.1/manual/Forward-And-Deferred-Rendering.html#differences-between-forward-and-deferred-rendering-in-hdrp

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that should list some

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"HDRP uses the normal buffer for Screen Space Reflection and other effects"

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so would expect them to use it for AO as well

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 8:17 PM

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in visual differences, why do it seems "everything in deferred are wrong"

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 8:17 PM

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yeah, it's surprising

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usually you see the opposite (except for translucency)

indigo summit Nov 20, 2019, 8:18 PM

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yeah, kinda weird though

turbid matrix Nov 20, 2019, 8:20 PM

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I personally like forward more but lack of PCSS on deferred was one big reason to stick with forward with HDRP

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MSAA is also only there for forward but most use it only for VR

proper locust Nov 20, 2019, 9:24 PM

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anyone come across this issue where depth only second camera does not work with lwrp in 2019.2.12 ?

upbeat badger Nov 20, 2019, 9:33 PM

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can anyone confirm black reflections when using pathtracer in the latest hdrp?

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@proper locust lwrp doesnt support camera stacking yet

proper locust Nov 20, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Ohh god.. 😐

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can't use LWRP then! 😦

turbid matrix Nov 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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@upbeat badger that sounds like exposure issue again

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like, there was this issue with DXR reflections on first 7.x versions that supported raytracing, you'd get black reflections if you used high lighting values and had to use exposure control

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path tracing is even more experimental than the main DXR tho, so wouldn't really expect much from it yet

waxen lantern Nov 21, 2019, 5:07 AM

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@upbeat badger @turbid matrix in terms of recursive reflections this is to be expected unless an env map or reflection prove is used as a fallback ( or a fallback color that isnt black) or the recursion level is extremely high, but that will kill performance