🥽┃virtual-reality

[strange jolt]

does anyone have an idea why?

only when i get close

[north path]

What shaders are used?
What headset?
Any special graphical features used or is it default? @strange jolt

[strange jolt]

Set the quality to High, Oculus Quest 2 (Single Pass), I don't get what you mean by shaders

only changed these

[north path]

On the material of the object that turns green

What material/shader is on it

And which unity version?

[strange jolt]

2020.3.32f1

Also happens in other textures

Materials*

But only on the

Ones on the HDRP Sample Folder

Doesn't seem to happen on my own mats

[waxen tartan]

Hi, has someone an idea why I have this blue corners. They appear in the Headset and in Unity Editor when I load a Scene. I use the Oculus Runtime with a Quest 2. The black part is a black plane I put there so the user cant see the loading transition.

[elfin linden]

i need help i created a 3d unity project and vr unity project when i try to play it won't show on my oculus pls help
plssssss

[humble sinew]

Hi, I got VR Full Body working with Final IK, but I can't get collisions to properly work with it. Does anyone know how to get accurate collision detection with Final IK VR?

[wooden garden]

Same issue! I have been struggling with this for weeks now 😭

[severe saffron]

use collision layer matrix

you can then ignore the collisions simply by changing layers

alternatively you can use Physics.IgnoreCollision but that takes a lot more management

layers are much easier to implement

[rapid loom]

gun recoil?

[torpid aspen]

how do I enable 120hz on my quest app in unity?

[dense roost]

OVRPlugin.systemDisplayFrequency = 120.0f;

[torpid aspen]

Where do I put this in? Do I put in a new script?

@dense roost

[dense roost]

yeah

[torpid aspen]

Any using tags? @dense roost

[dense roost]

Idk, I just found it in here: https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/unity-set-disp-freq/

[torpid aspen]

i dont think that works

[dense roost]

well, I did it with visual scripting and it works

also, if u want 120fps u first have to enable 120fps on the quest2 itself

[torpid aspen]

ik

[dense roost]

Does anyone know how can I make application SpaceWarp work please? When I test it, the moving things look a bit glitchy, like everything is smooth except for the moving objects. Any idea please?

version 2021.3.0f1 btw

[tiny niche]

that's just how it works

[elfin linden]

I can’t pls my vr project

[tiny niche]

you're missing the important part of the sentence

[elfin linden]

I meant I can’t play my 3d/vr project

[tiny niche]

can you play any vr game on that machine?

[elfin linden]

Yes I have a oculus’s and it connect to my computer fine

[tiny niche]

but have you tried running a non-oculus game with it?

[elfin linden]

Wdym?

Like a unknown source

[tiny niche]

yea

[elfin linden]

Yes I have

[tiny niche]

then your machine should be all set, so you should just need to follow one of the many unityxr tutorials available exactly

[elfin linden]

Tysm btw one more problem

[tiny niche]

which is?

[elfin linden]

When I tried to build my vr/3d project it’s says something about android snk or something like that and it says the snk is installed

[tiny niche]

well if it says its installed, i don't see the problem

[elfin linden]

I’m gonna show you when I get home anyways have a good night or day

[elfin linden]

And you was good help

[dense roost]

Oh okay, sorry. I thought I had to do something to change that. But with spacewarp, when I grab an object and move, it like stays back one frame, and then moves to the position of the controller. Is that normal too?

[tiny niche]

that sounds like potentially an object tracking issue

are you parenting the object when you grab it? otherwise tracking wont be instant

[dense roost]

I'm using the grab interactable script

[tiny niche]

yea but the grab script in the xr toolkit has lots of settings

[dense roost]

grab interactable, from oculus integration

[tiny niche]

you're gonna have to do some digging then to figure out what triggers the update position on the grabbed object and if it targets the correct coordinates

so you know if its updating incorrectly or moving to the wrong position

[dense roost]

the downside is that I don't really understand c# code, I use visual scripting because I'm kinda noob😅

like, there's an option in some scripts to determinate the update method, but I can't seem to find any difference between those modes (update, fixed update, late update, manual)

[tiny niche]

update happens every frame, late update happens every frame but is executed last and fixed update executes on a fixed interval so some frames have none and some have multiple

[dense roost]

Yeah, but it still does the same with each mode, like, when I grab an object, it still doesn't move as it should

[tiny niche]

but does it move in the way you told it to move?

[dense roost]

No, I try to set it to update but still moves like in fixed update

[tiny niche]

yes but does the code execute in update?

you're just as likely to have not managed to change the update mode

@dense roost but seeing as you don't know c#, i'd just call it "close enough" until you do. You're simply gonna have to be able to read c# in order to figure out why things don't work

[dense roost]

Well, I'll try to open the code and find something that says "update" or something like that

well this is what I found

anyone knows what do I have to put in the velocitycalculator thing? Maybe that is causing the problems

[elfin linden]

Hey what you making 😁

[dense roost]

just trying to solve the problem where I can't grab things without them jittering

[elfin linden]

Try making the hands empty object

[elfin linden]

Maybe that will work

[elfin linden]

Sorry if it doesn’t

I’m not a pro

[elfin linden]

I think there could be a tut for it

[dense roost]

wym making the hands empty object?

[elfin linden]

Nevermind that I’m gonna see if there is a easy tutorial for you or any answers from unity

Something like this? @dense roost

[dense roost]

Not rly, I kinda need the rigidbody, and idk if it's a velocity problem

lemme try to record the problem if I can

@elfin linden

[elfin linden]

Never did anything like this

[dense roost]

And now is better. Take a look at this that sometimes happens, it is a lot worse

[elfin linden]

Can’t help I need BIG Smarts on unity

[elfin linden]

Ok

[gilded zodiac]

Hey

GM guys

Hows going?

I'm newbie in here

I'm trying to found a way to put unit wearables on altspaceVR world and it can be wearable

Anyone can help me with that?

[dense roost]

Okay help again please

How can I like, join 2 "one grab transform" in 1 object please

like, here I can only set 1

[dense roost]

Hey. Can anyone help me with another thing about oculus integration please? Ping me if you can please. Thanks

[dense roost]

Can anyone tell me how to use the one grab transform physics joint script for the oculus integration please?????

Can't find any information about it

Why do I have so many problems and no one can help me 😦 😅

[severe saffron]

gotta learn the basics before you'll get much help

[dense roost]

I mean, the basics I think I kinda have them, but I just find a lot of problems and 0 solutions

Like, look at this steering wheel. Why does it do that?

I only added a grab interactable with a one grab rotation transform so I can rotate it in only one axis

[severe saffron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

yeah idk that result looks hilarious though

ship it

[dense roost]

wym "ship it"?

[dense roost]

Do you happen to know how can I make that one grab rotate transformer as local rotation instead of world rotation? I don't know c#, I use visual scripting because I'm still kinda new into coding

like, what do I have to modify from here or from where

[dense roost]

Can anyone help me make a lever with oculus integration for a vehicle please? Thanks in advance

[dense roost]

Like, I need the lever not to be affected by external forces please

[tiny niche]

you can't, since the steering wheel is in a separate hierarchy from the hands

you need a common root in order to do the calculations

[dense roost]

then is there a way to make a steering wheel with oculus integration...? Because all I find is problems and more problems 😦

or at least a working lever inside a vehicle

[tiny niche]

sure, you just need to do a bit of linear algebra

[dense roost]

yeah, but I don't even know what I have to do for it to work

[tiny niche]

well think through the problem: your goal is to move your hand and have rotational tracking of something in a fixed position

so you need to figure out where on the wheel you grabbed it and then compare that to where your hands are now

and since you have 2 hands moving independently, you probably want to do the rotation calculation for both and split the difference

[dense roost]

and how do I know the position I grabbed the wheel from?

[tiny niche]

well you know the hand position and you know the radius, rotation and position of the steering wheel

[dense roost]

as far as I know, valem has some great tutorials

[dense roost]

so like, you are telling me to create like a custom grabbing system

[tiny niche]

learn unity, c#, git and then vr

[storm ether]

Kk

[tiny niche]

yes, since you have specific requirements for a steering wheel and it needs to be precise

[dense roost]

and do you know how can I get the hand pinch to use it with it?

[tiny niche]

pinch? you mean the grip trigger?

[dense roost]

no, like, hand tracking

that's the reason I'm using oculus integration and not unity XR

[tiny niche]

hand tracking has nothing to do with the grabbing system

but yes, you just use the same hand tracking api that the oculus grabbing system does

[dense roost]

okay I'll try to make something with it. Thanks

[tiny niche]

it's not gonna be good enough for a steering wheel though, since your fingers are pointing away from the cameras

[dense roost]

and about this do you know anything please? Or it's just impossible t fix?

[tiny niche]

make it kinematic and it'll ignore external forces

[dense roost]

well I would use the pose recorder to make it more realistic

[dense roost]

but I need it to interact with a spring, that's the problem. Or I can just add forces manually?

[tiny niche]

what i mean is the back of your hands obscure your fingers, so the quest 2 wont know if you're gripping or releasing the wheel

[dense roost]

true

[tiny niche]

you can do forces manually, but if you want it to interact with a spring then you can't make it kinematic

[dense roost]

well that's not the main problem now, so I guess I'll leave that for later

[dense roost]

then I might just add forces and that's it

[tiny niche]

you want to start by focusing on the problems that seem potentially impossible to solve, so you can fail fast and work around them

[dense roost]

well as far as I've tested, it seems like it can detect the wheel grab pose

Now I'm gonna focus on the lever thing that seems more useful and I'll probably find some problems

[dense roost]

Okay I tried to apply forces with a script and it being kinematic means it doesn't move :/

Like, yeah, it ignores external forces, but the ones I add via script are ignored too

[tiny niche]

that's because they're also external forces

[dense roost]

and how do I add "internal" forces

[tiny niche]

you can't

[dense roost]

...

I'm done

then idk, I'm lost rn

like, the oculus scripts are cool and all, but the only problem they have is that the origin is set to the position you grabbed it

If only there was a way of getting that origin and resetting it every frame

[fiery coral]

Hello I want to make a magic based game similar to blade and sorcery.I plan on using an oculus quest 2 with a oculus link cable. I have decided unity is the best engine due to its large commmuhity but I am wondering which version I should chose/does it matter my pc is currently at the geek squad so no rush in responding but I am extremely new and have no background in coding vfx or anything but it’s been my dream to make a magic vr game with physics and quality lighting and physics so I really need help on what I should watch to learn and what unity I should download to make my dream come true

[outer cedar]

imma be real with you man, before jumping into vr development, you should get some regular unity skills down first. I was in the same position you were a few months ago, i had a dope idea for a vr game, but vr development is HARD, like, a lot harder than most other types of game dev, just becuase of how new it is and how few resources there are compared to something like regular 2d or 3d game dev, which have been around for decades. what i would reccomend doing is following some online tutorials and making some microgames while you learn the workflow of the unity editor, as well as take some online C# courses. once you feel comfortable making simple 2d and 3d games, then you can start jumping into VR dev. trust me, starting small will make sure you dont get burned out, and hey, if making a vr game really is your passion, then you should have no problem taking the time to learn before actually dipping your feet into vr dev, because it is a whole different ballgame compared to regular dev, i learned from experience.

there is also another game that I have been following that pretty closely matches the description of the game you want to make, if you would like me to send you their way

[fiery coral]

Sure please let me know I’m really interested in a magic based combat sandbox where the coolest moves are either effective or the most effective move to do when attack by say a energy beam

[elfin linden]

I need help i tried to build and run my vr project but it just made these error

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[urban cloak]

@elfin linden Don't ping people, or roles, of people who aren't in conversation with you. #📖┃code-of-conduct.

[elfin linden]

Ok

[elfin linden]

Pls help I can run and build my project

[dense roost]

when I last had the grade build error, all I did was just reinstall that version of unity with the android sdk things selected

Does anyone know how can I install the unity XR thing please?

I can't find it in the package manager

[north path]

What xr thing. Xr management? @dense roost

@elfin linden what unity version?
Did you follow the oculus development guide?

[tired finch]

hello guys , i have problem where pall unity vr games crash on start up

I just see the unity logo and it crashes without any message

I feel like i missing some app for running unity apps , like c++ or something

[modest spindle]

Is there a Way to disable XRig movement, and set it to 0,0,0 without offset to the camera ?

[elfin linden]

how do i check

[north path]

Idk which you installed and how you srt up the project?

[north path]

1. Yes, just disable the components for movement
2. What do you mean?

[half zodiac]

I need help

With fixing a problem with my project

[urban cloak]

Feel free to ask a question then, and if anyone can help, they will.

[half zodiac]

Sweet

Yea I’ve been trying to create new project but then it tells me that unable to create

Which I don’t understand

im new to unity

[potent edge]

@half zodiac I would make sure that unity has rights to that directory. You might try a different folder that doesn't need special permissions.

[half zodiac]

i try creating a new folder and its still not letting me

[potent edge]

Are you trying to create the folder through unity or windows?

Go to your C drive and create a folder called Temp in the root. Then use that for Unity. Also make sure that you aren't out of space on your c drive.

Also try creating a different type of project with unity. It may be that you need to reinstall it because something else is going on.

[half zodiac]

unity

[half zodiac]

How can I delete the app completely from my computer like i want to renew it like it was working before but now it doesn’t want too

[potent edge]

go to your windows explorer and right click on your c drive

then click on properties and see how much free space you have

[half zodiac]

I got 10.6

[potent edge]

10.6 gigs?

[half zodiac]

Yea

[potent edge]

close the hub and then run it again as administrator

[half zodiac]

Is there away I can join you in a call to be able to explain myself correctly

[potent edge]

sorry can't right now. Did you try running as administrator and creating the project?

I think it could be a rights issue to the folder for unity

[quasi spire]

What algorithm may the machanical arm be used for grabbing a specific object in the specific position

[muted laurel]

Is StreamVR more simple to use for a 3d unity game than OpenXR?

[crisp sapphire]

Can someone help me with a unity issue? My school has a VR Elective and we have spent the year doing a unity VR course. We are trying to build all of the student projects onto one Quest 2 but we’re encountering some problems. We’ve built one project onto the headset but after that, our builds always fail. I’ve made sure that everyone’s projects has the proper export settings, so I’m not entirely sure what’s going on. I suspect that it isn’t working because all of the projects are under the same address (com.Unity.CreateWithVRRoom) when I realized this, I went into all the projects and changed the Player settings so that it should now say com.School.NameVRRoom but for some reason changing that hasn’t done anything, and it still shows up as the original address. Does anyone know what I should do? Thanks!

[weak garnet]

What error are you getting?

[upbeat tendon]

Hello, I am trying to use hinge joints in Unity, hdrp workflow, but can't get them work properly. They do rotate strangely, a bit off, freezing doesn't help, also tried custom script, but no success at all. Don't know if this is the right place to post, but seems like a good spot to start off.

[crisp sapphire]

It’s not giving me anything concrete, but when I tried to side load the app to a headset using side quest the error it gave me suggested that the issue was that the apps had the same address

[dense roost]

Hello. Does anyone know how can I know which controller actually grabber an object please? Using oculus integration, in case that info is useful

[pine bison]

uninstall the old version with ADB first @crisp sapphire

When you do install and override, you need to add an "-r" to the install command

[spice sail]

Anyone know why I get a grey screen when using post processing effects in single-pass instanced rendering

works perfectly fine in multi-pass

post process is set to render after transparency rendering

[rapid loom]

implementing gun recoil for unity xr?

[severe saffron]

rb.AddForce(gun.forward*-50f);//recoil lol

[stoic storm]

Hello, i am working on quest2, and i cant build because my .obb file size is over 2gb
I've read that we can have a 4gb obb, but i can't find where we can do that, any idea ?

[raven bough]

Peeps, any idea why this could be happening?
https://gfycat.com/sociablepotablefairybluebird

so im not moving the ray and it randomly passes though the collider

without detecting it

[tiny niche]

no

[cloud herald]

for some reason the vr in project just stopped working in the right eye everything just repeats infinitly and it is not tracking the controllers at all i do not know what to do

im using quest2

[smoky phoenix]

guys why does t say that i didnt import it as humanoid rig?

[tropic garden]

After importing the com.htc.vive.openxr 1.0.1 unity package, I'm getting errors when I build.
Failed to load 'UnityOpenXR' because one or more of its dependencies could not be loaded.
Am I missing something?

[solar dune]

how do I make a object spawn/respawn when I press a button?

[tropic garden]

I'm probably doing something wrong, but I can't get my InputActions Asset to register input for my VR device. If I add the same actions directly to the Tracked Pose Driver without a reference it works, but when I add it with a reference to the Input Action asset it doesn't work. I'm even calling Enable() on the input action asset, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[balmy burrow]

alright so, this is a little odd, but, I'm trying to make a system where you can switch from normal mouse and keyboard input, to VR input

and that's all good and well

except I don't know if there is a way to turn off the rendering on the headset

when not using the VR controls

and if there is a way to stop it from lagging like hell when the headset turns off-

[balmy burrow]

turning the XROrigin off doesn't seem to do anything

[tropic garden]

Are you using OpenXR?

[balmy burrow]

Yes

I found a way already

2 cameras, one renders to main screen and the other to vr, and I just turn it off when not using it

However it still lags awfully when the headset turns off

[tropic garden]

There is an option in the OpenXR settings that Initializes it on start, you can turn that off and then manually initialize it and de-initialize it through script.

[balmy burrow]

Oh?

Lemme get on my pc

alright I'm here

ok but this doesn't initialize the controllers, meaning I can't quick switch easily

@tropic garden

[tropic garden]

https://forum.unity.com/threads/question-xr-plugin-management-initialize-on-startup.819798/

[balmy burrow]

I did do that

oh

nvm

I did it wrong lol

[tropic garden]

IEnumerator StartXR()
{
    yield return XRGeneralSettings.Instance.Manager.InitializeLoader();
    if (XRGeneralSettings.Instance.Manager.activeLoader == null)
    {
        Debug.LogError("Initializing XR Failed. Check Editor or Player log for details.");
    }
    else
    {
        Debug.Log("Starting XR...");
        XRGeneralSettings.Instance.Manager.StartSubsystems();
        yield return null;
    }
}
 
void StopXR()
{
    if (XRGeneralSettings.Instance.Manager.isInitializationComplete)
    {
        XRGeneralSettings.Instance.Manager.StopSubsystems();
        Camera.main.ResetAspect();
        XRGeneralSettings.Instance.Manager.DeinitializeLoader();
    }
}

[balmy burrow]

this is the exact one I had

omg this fixed all the problems I had

thank you so much!

one more problem however

it does work

but I have no method of knowing

if the player is in vr or not

@tropic garden

(sorry for the pings)

is there some way to detect if the headset is on?

maybe an event that I can add a listener to?

[tropic garden]

I'm not sure if you can literally detect if the headset is on, but you could write something to detect if the headset or controllers are moving or not.

[balmy burrow]

I have that

but they're turned off

so like

I can't detect that-

XR is off, so are the controllers

[tropic garden]

I see, I doubt there is a way to do that when XR isn't initialized. I'm not entirely sure though.

[balmy burrow]

I found some stuff online

 
SubsystemManager.GetInstances<XRDisplaySubsystem>(displaySubsystems);
            foreach (var subsystem in displaySubsystems)
            {
             ...
            }```

[tropic garden]

I feel like it would be better from a UX standpoint to just have the user click a keyboard button to switch rather than detecting if the headset is in use or not.

[balmy burrow]

I see

I still want to see if it's possible tho

this maybe?

nope

I guess you're right, I guess I just have to use a button maybe

[turbid bone]

If you want to create a vr game, do you need a headset

sorry idk if this is right channel

if you do need a headset. What kind

[tropic garden]

I would say yes, going to be pretty difficult to design for. Also depends if you are developing solo or part of a team. If part of a team, depends on your role

[turbid bone]

ok what kind of headset

[tropic garden]

The quest 2 is pretty cheap

and decent

[turbid bone]

ok thanks a lot

[dense roost]

How can I know which controller actually grabbed an object please?

[rapid loom]

how do i use the multiple select mode? xr toolkit

[rapid loom]

i found this weird issue when using the multiple select mode for grab interactables, the rb gravity is turned off for some reason

when holding it with two hands and releasing it

[dense roost]

What is better to use, Vulkan or OpenGL please?

[severe saffron]

it depends

[dense roost]

on what

[severe saffron]

I would wait for someone smarter than me like @wraith shale to answer that. 😛

from what Ive seen the vulkan stuff isn't ready for prime time

but Im targeting native quest

[wraith shale]

I'm not super experienced on this... I only use Vulkan with Quest 2 myself

if you target Quest, Vulkan makes a ton of sense because it supports many of the latest improvements there... and I don't even know if you can do things like FFR on OpenGL (haven't tested)

for me the main reason to use Vulkan is Application Space-Warp on Quest because it requires it.. and then you also get late latching support too

@severe saffron does FFR work on OpenGL?

with Unity that is

[severe saffron]

I use it with the oculus integration yeah

BiRP

[wraith shale]

ah cool... wonder if it works on URP too

[severe saffron]

I dont think it does out of the box

[wraith shale]

one thing you see people posting a lot about when using Vulkan with Quest is that their app just gets frozen and you see black screen on builds.. it's related to how URP does these buffers.. I think it's basically a combination of certain settings but in the nutshell the issue goes away if you don't have to use Opaque Texture from URP asset

[severe saffron]

yeah I had lots of issues with opaque texture better to disable it

but so many effects depend on it

[wraith shale]

my assumption is that this happens when you enable that texture but don't actually have extra blits enabled to allow it but haven't verified this

it would be quite handy to have yes.. but it's also extra cost

(to have extra blit and to sample that buffer too)

and Quest is so weak

I'd love to have refraction / distortion effect and that opaque texture would be so handy for that

[severe saffron]

yeah I find myself using unlit/simplified shaders for everything. Fullscreen standard shader +specular + reflections (default material) is enough to bring quest to its knees

I had a door yesterday and the fps would drop any time I got close enough to fill the screen

[wraith shale]

then add the fact that specular highlights look like garbage on stock URP at least when you do android builds

they really screwed up something by using lower precision math

what looks like this on PC

looks like this on android (even on editor when you swap to android setup)

just look at this 😄

[severe saffron]

holy cow

I noticed stuff like z sorting has less fidelity on android but I dont think Ive seen anything like that

how ugly!

[rapid loom]

i wonder how popular pcvr games like b&s transfer to the quest so well

the visuals is kind of identical, just there is no realtime shadows and higher resolution texutres

or any realtime lighting at all

[dense roost]

Application Space-Wrap requires something to change? Or just open a default URP project and enable it?

[wraith shale]

@dense roost you still need custom URP fork from Oculus to get the movecs in way they accept them

basically this means you are stuck on 2020.3 or 2021.2 (2021.3 works too but their branch isn't directly for it)

unless you are willing to port the changes yourself

which I have some experience about :/ https://github.com/0lento/Graphics/branches/all?query=app-spacewarp

it's just time consuming

[dense roost]

Can I just like implement those changes in my project or do I have to start a new one?

[wraith shale]

you can bring them to your existing project

just make sure you have version control or some kind of backup 😄

https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/unity-asw/

that should have all the steps mentioned

@rapid loom baked lights and simple shaders basically

[dense roost]

To add it to my project I just have to do this?

[wraith shale]

please no 😄

that won't work

[dense roost]

then how do I do it sorry😅

Just download and drag?

[wraith shale]

that would be nope as well 😄

you need to use git client that supports git lfs to clone the repo yourself.. and then you can copy these packages from it to your own projects Packages folder... but I'd really recommend using official packages from Oculus

you can also ref the package folders manually from package manager to point to your local git clone

this isn't a trivial task to do today though.. whole app-sw

[rapid loom]

i know, but the fact that it can run and look almost as good as the pc version, is amazing

[wraith shale]

quest 2 is impressive but it's not really that close visually usually unless the PC version is super simple in graphics too 🙂

stuff like superhot and like translate really well

[rapid loom]

i can't wait to play bonelab, because the comparisons looks good

[wraith shale]

@dense roostI guess easiest way to just test it would be to try it on something like this https://github.com/nukadelic/unity-application-spacewarp

that project uses a lot of 3rd party packages though so it may not be easiest to understand how it's hooked up

it also uses oculus customized URP, the wording of it using "custom render pipeline" is just straight up misleading

[dense roost]

Okay I'll try it. Thanks!

[wraith shale]

@rapid loom bonelab will be interesting for sure... but also hard to judge (the visuals) yet without game being officially out

[rapid loom]

yeah, atleast there are screenshots

instead of nothing

[severe saffron]

I get pretty poor performance in B&S on quest 2. The visuals are certainly dumbed down but I see it dip below 60fps often thanks to ovr metrics

I think they actually need to cut more or figure something else out 😛

[rapid loom]

below 60 fps isn't really bad for me

i don't accept 20 fps in vr tho

[severe saffron]

anything below 70 and its like rubbing a cheese grater on my brain

I much prefer 90+ 😛

[balmy burrow]

is there any way

I can check using SteamVR

if the user is wearing the HMD

[balmy burrow]

please someone it's been hours I am desperate-

[dense roost]

Okay I tried installing that but I might have done something wrong because this is probably not normal at all

Any known solution...?

[wraith shale]

use right versions

for editor and URP

[dense roost]

How do I know which version do I have to use?

[wraith shale]

matching pair

for 2021.3 your best chances are with this branch https://github.com/Oculus-VR/Unity-Graphics/tree/2021.2/oculus-appsw-particles

or https://github.com/Oculus-VR/Unity-Graphics/tree/2021.2/oculus-app-spacewarp which doesn't have particle fix yet

for the branch that oculus promotes on their guide you need 2020.3

also do note that this is very experimental even with the versions that these are designed to work with

[dense roost]

Okay thanks. As far as I know, that is used to reduce CPU usage, but what about GPU? Is there a way to reduce GPU usage? Because I can't get it under 78% all the time

[wraith shale]

@dense roost you literally render half of the frames with this tech so obviously it will have lower GPU load... but I'd suggest going with more traditional perf optimizations that are more mature.. this tech should be treated as experimental and your game graphics have to be designed around the limitations it brings... it's not something you just toggle on, forget about and have great experience

you use FFR yet?

[dense roost]

I don't even know what that is😅, so probably not

[wraith shale]

yeah you definitely shouldn't be messing around with application spacewarp then

do all the basic optimizations first

I'm assuming you are targeting quest now

[dense roost]

yes

[wraith shale]

so, basically no post processing at all, simple materials and so on

[dense roost]

still can't get to 90fps, and everything is set to static, light is baked

[wraith shale]

you have PP toggled off from camera / URP's renderer settings?

[dense roost]

lemme check

nope, it's on, but there's not a single pp volume

[wraith shale]

I didn't mean that at all

I meant PP settings on URP renderer asset

even if you have no volume on the level, URP still has tons of overhead for just having PostProcessing functionality enabled

or... are you using built-in renderer?

[dense roost]

I disabled it now. So better not use Spacewrap for now? Using URP

[wraith shale]

spacewarp is very niche tool that should be used with careful preparations so no.. .wouldn't suggest using it at all unless one understands all the side effects and risks involved

[dense roost]

Okay thanks. Any more tips about performance that I should know? GPU level is always at 4 and sometimes at 3 with just the ovrrig and a bank plane

[wraith shale]

did the PP disabling help?

there are bunch of tutorials online for optimizing your game for Quest, probably worth looking those up

[dense roost]

well, I get around 87fps now, and GPU usage is at 98% most of the time, so it did something

[tiny niche]

ovr rig, blank plane and an otherwise empty project? otherwise you might have junk running that you're unaware of

[dense roost]

Everything else is disabled in the scene

[tiny niche]

check the profiler, you might think its disabled when it actually isn't

[balmy burrow]

does anyone know how I could check when the headset is taken off?

I found some code online that does this

but it makes it so that XR fails to initialize-

[tiny niche]

i doubt the code you found works then

[balmy burrow]

it really has no reason not to work

I've used those functions before

it just takes in variables from a XR Input Device

using UnityEngine.XR.Management;

public class XRDevice
{
    private static InputDevice headDevice;
    public XRDevice()
    {
        if (headDevice == null)
        {
            headDevice = InputDevices.GetDeviceAtXRNode(XRNode.Head);
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// returns true if the HMD is mounted on the users head. Returns false if the current headset does not support this feature or if the HMD is not mounted.
    /// </summary>
    /// <returns></returns>
    public static bool IsHMDMounted()
    {
        if (!XRGeneralSettings.Instance.Manager.isInitializationComplete)
            return false;

        if (headDevice == null || headDevice.isValid == false)
        {
            headDevice = InputDevices.GetDeviceAtXRNode(XRNode.Head);
        }
        if (headDevice != null)
        {
            bool presenceFeatureSupported = headDevice.TryGetFeatureValue(CommonUsages.userPresence, out bool userPresent);
            if (headDevice.isValid && presenceFeatureSupported)
            {
                return userPresent;
            }
            else
            {
                return false;
            }
        }
        else
        {
            return false;
        }
    }
}

why would this crash?

I just added a check for initialization check

[dense roost]

which code? I ended up disabling Space Wrap becuse it was broken

[tiny niche]

on quest i think you get a focus lost event, but i don't think theres a way to detect it on all headsets

[balmy burrow]

why-

it's such a common feature but literally no one has a solution

[tiny niche]

i've never seen it implemented

so i wouldn't call it common

[balmy burrow]

yeah I guess

[tiny niche]

UserPrecense feature might work on some devces, but you're also likely to have it trigger when the game loses focus as well

[balmy burrow]

yeah it does work

only at the start

then it just never resets to 0

[tiny niche]

that just means it detects if the headset is initialized or not

[balmy burrow]

omg

I did it

omg I f@#$ing did it

        {
            headDevice = InputDevices.GetDeviceAtXRNode(XRNode.Head);

            if (headDevice != null)
            {
                bool presenceFeatureSupported = headDevice.TryGetFeatureValue(CommonUsages.isTracked, out bool userPresent);
                if (presenceFeatureSupported)
                {
                    Debug.Log(string.Concat("Is being tracked: " + userPresent));
                }
            }
        }```

I changed it to checking if it's being tracked

[tiny niche]

some headsets are tracked while not being worn as well

like the rift and rift s

[balmy burrow]

it worked and now it doesn't anymore

wow

wooooow

[balmy burrow]

it works but some other stuff seems to be amiss in my code all of the sudden

like, XR not initializing anymore-

why-

[dense roost]

Is there anything similar to post processing that I can use for VR please?

[tiny niche]

you can use post-processing in vr, its just really inefficient

and if you read up on what it is, you'd know why its slow and that there's no way something like it could be fast

[night saffron]

We have an Oculus 2 building app where the idea is you can walk around a building and mark the walls to build up a 3d approximation. It has passthrough enabled at all times so you can navigate. The major issue is the guardian cannot be removed unless you enable dev settings. Our best bet now seems to be to wait and see if there are any changes in the future. Has anyone heard of any news?

Alternatively, is there any other wireless headset we could move the project to that has passthrough and a guardian mode that can be disabled?

[storm ether]

can someone help me plz ? bc i am going to lose my mind, i tried literally everything to run VR on occlsquest on play mode instead of building the project over and over and over but it never works

[tiny niche]

you can disable guardian in dev settings on your phone

but its going to black out if you go too far from the origin

it used to be possible to disable guardian without dev mode, but they removed it so it's probably never coming back

and marking walls by hand to create your own guardian system would never pass the store cert, so requiring dev mode is not really an issue

[buoyant jolt]

What kind of computer (brand, cpu & GPU) are you using?

It needs to be VR capable

[storm ether]

its just a random capable i have, i am able to build the porject to VR but i unable to run it in play mode

[buoyant jolt]

Then the project needs to be configured right... Oculus Desktop installed. And Link mode enabled. I have a vive & Rift S on my main PC though so I don't usually use the quest for ad-hoc play mode testing.

And the computer needs to be a VR grade computer.

I.e. GTX 1060+, i5+, and the right kind of USB C port support.

[storm ether]

nah my PC dont even have GTX lol

[buoyant jolt]

When you build for the headset, it compiles an android APK just like it would for a phone - and it runs entirely on the headset.

When you run it in the editor, it needs to run as a Desktop VR headset, so the PC needs to be VR capable

And to be fair, I don't know if oculus has even documented any of that, not Unity. So it confuses a lot of devs new to VR.

[storm ether]

3 weeks and cant get it to work tbh

[buoyant jolt]

It's entirely possible that restriction isn't in place anymore too, our team is all i9s and 3080s and we use all kinds of headsets, so my knowledge is rusty on that part... But at the very least you'll need oculus desktop installed and happy with your headset with oculus link running.

[buoyant jolt]

We built custom faceplaces for the quest and mounted Intel realsense cameras to them for warehouse scale VR and object detection. It was back in the late Quest 1 early Quest 2 days though, so hoping there is a better way. I highly suspect the Pico 3 would be a better choice for this now though.

I should also disclose we used OpenCV with the Real Sense though to map out the space better and only used it's lidar for movement detection and tracking of moving objects (i.e. other players). Scaling and world placement etc was all done through OpenCV and multiplayer server sync (photon).

Pico will let you write system level apps though, custom launchers, and override their SDK. So I'd be very surprised if you couldn't use it how you want to.

[split forum]

Do you need to worry about resizing your game to different screen resolutions or what not like you would a 2D/3D game in VR? Or is it a one size fits all type of scenario

[dim geyser]

Has anyone had any weird performance issues?

We're building a game on quest 2 standalone, and even in an empty scene, devoid of skybox and every single thing tuned efficiently, we're still hitting GPU and CPU levels of 4.

I'm talking literally a camera and uninitialized skybox. Urp 2021.3.4f1

< 5 batches
< 2 set pass calls

I'm pulling my hair out. Something has got to be broken

[north path]

Unity uses internal scaling instead of relying on pixel count, so it should work across all headsets (that are supported code wise)

[north path]

What graphics API?
Is fps still good if you lower the cpu and gpu level?

[buoyant rampart]

i need help learning the basics

of avatar creation on vrchat

i have a model and materials but dont understand how to work with them
i watched a video and it didnt really help D:

[rapid loom]

can anybody tell me how to use ffr on xr toolkit?

and should i use multiview or multipass?

[dim geyser]

We've tried both gles3 and vulkan, same 😦

I'll try manually lowering it and see what happens, thx for suggestion

[dim geyser]

Multiview is the better one, it's like single pass instanced

[balmy burrow]

alright so, because I am using OpenXR, I can't check if the player has paused the game session and is looking at the SteamVR or Oculus Overlay

and the solution I came up with is to just check whenever the user presses the button on their controller to open the overlay

I check what OpenXR Runtime they have

so, let's say, SteamVR

[north path]

Utils.SetFoveationLevel(int level)

And as said above use multiview

[balmy burrow]

I check if the Menu button on an Oculus controller is pressed, and after that to resume I just check to see if I get any input

however, that means I have to do all of that for every controller

what the heck do I do

should I just switch to OpenVR or what?

also SteamVR events also never get called so what the hell...

[north path]

@balmy burrowhttps://forum.unity.com/threads/using-openxr-how-do-you-check-if-the-oculus-steam-menu-is-open.1189177/

Already tried my first google search?

And OpenXR is the way to go for cross platform/cross HMD development right now, unless you need specific support from an API (such as knuckle controller per finger interactions)

[balmy burrow]

you see, my way of speaking is a little weird, so instead of searching "Check if Oculus/Steam menu is open" I searched "unity check for steamvr overlay"

lmao

[north path]

I used 'unity openxr check if menu has opened', which is your initial question

[balmy burrow]

yeah

the solution doesn't seem to work for anything besides Oculus tho

[north path]

Tried OnApplicationFocus and OnApplicationPause both?

[balmy burrow]

OnApplicationPause or OnApplicationFocus

I'll try them and see

[north path]

And SteamVR events might indeed not call if you dont have steamvr as backend. OpenXR might run in it's own enviornment for that (not sure tho on this one)

[balmy burrow]

I do use SteamVR as my OpenXR Runtime

I have it running all the time I use unity

it's initializing

but only if I use OpenVR Loader

which ruins my OpenXR scripts

so, yeah

[north path]

Yeah but in Unity I mean. Running it as OpenXR Runtime wont change it into a SteamVR game

[balmy burrow]

ah, I see

[north path]

If you want to use specific steamvr calls you might need to use steamvr

[balmy burrow]

I did implement everything as the documentation said

[north path]

But this is outside of my prior experience, so not fully sure

[balmy burrow]

it initialized and everything

but again, it didn't seem to fire any events

[north path]

Maybe make a forum post

[balmy burrow]

yeah I hope I won't need SteamVR anymore

[north path]

As long as you dont use any steamvr plugin features (as stated in openxr docs, not sure what the details are) you should be fine

[balmy burrow]

yeah

thanks for the help!

[north path]

No problemo :P

[storm ether]

do anyone knows what are these lines that show up at every edge in the game ? i tried rendering scale at 2 and those lines still there, i tried at 1 also still there, those lines make the player so dizzy and sick

[balmy burrow]

anti aliasing maybe?

is there any way, I can get trackers, using OpenXR

do I really have to use the SteamVR plugin

and does that work with like

other platforms?

[storm ether]

anti aliasing at max

[balmy burrow]

can I still publish on Quest 1 and 2, PSVR etc.?

[green snow]

think so

[balmy burrow]

but can I get trackers?

using OpenXR?

I am constantly searching online but I can't find much

[green snow]

its possible i think

[balmy burrow]

apparently support is there-

uhh-

https://youtu.be/Tw5LbNLW9Q4

yyyyYYYYYEEEEESSSSSS

thank god

[tiny niche]

you can, as long as the trackers are not required to make the game work

and you might have to disable the tracker feature on those stores

[balmy burrow]

yeah it's not required

[balmy burrow]

wdym?

[tiny niche]

you remove the thing that uses the vive trackers when publishing to those stores

[balmy burrow]

oh I see

[azure sapphire]

Hi. I’m WatchTower1992, known on VRChat as ShyPilots64.

I’m going to make a custom avatar for VRChat in Unity.

While I’m waiting for Unity to finish installing its editor, I’d like to ask an important question: do I need to use a VR headset in order to use VR hand controllers? Y/N

[tiny niche]

yes

controllers don't track unless you're wearing the headset

[azure sapphire]

Oh—thanks!

Anyway, my VRChat account is linked to my Steam account, so I will have to use SteamVR, but if I wear my headset, then I can’t exactly see my monitor.

[tiny niche]

you won't be working in vr while making the character anyways

[azure sapphire]

I know. I meant after I make the character.

[tiny niche]

yea and at that point it works just like any other character

[azure sapphire]

How can I see my monitor if I’m wearing my headset, though?

[tiny niche]

you don't

[azure sapphire]

I’m a PC user.

[tiny niche]

and you shouldn't need to

you finish the creation process, test it outside vr and then you put on the headset

[azure sapphire]

How can I use SteamVR, then?

[tiny niche]

same way you've been using steamvr up until now

you launch the game and put the headset on your head

[azure sapphire]

OK. I’m sorry I wasted your time here, but my project is taking a long time to open.

I wonder what the cheapest headset on the market is that will work with SteamVR.

[tiny niche]

quest2

[azure sapphire]

Quest2? Really? I don’t want a Facebook account.

I know that Oculus Quest requires a Facebook account.

[tiny niche]

yea, that's the price for going cheap

[azure sapphire]

Let me get this straight: does the PC version of VRChat prohibit the hand and finger motions that Quest allows?

[tiny niche]

there are alternatives, but you'll be paying 10x the amount

probably not, but i suspect it doesn't support hand tracking

[azure sapphire]

Hand tracking? Is that what the hand and finger motion input is called?

[terse thorn]

I have tried to make an apk but it’s been detecting the current sdk tool version for an hour now, I have restarted my pc and unity, please help

[tiny niche]

its what the cameras do to detect gestures

[azure sapphire]

Is moving both hands of an avatar possible only with hand tracking?

[tiny niche]

no it can be done with controllers as well

[azure sapphire]

Well, for some weird reason, I can’t do that with my controller.

[tiny niche]

you've probably got a broken avatar then, but you're better served in a vrchat discord

[azure sapphire]

Or maybe the avatar doesn’t support two-handed control.

[tiny niche]

aka. broken avatar

[tiny niche]

reinstall the sdk and possibly unity

[azure sapphire]

Well, Imma go find the official VRChat server.

Oh, wait—I can’t get in, because my phone number is locked.

[azure sapphire]

I’m already in the official one, and as I already mentioned, my phone number is on timeout.

[severe saffron]

btw you can remove facebook from the q2, but it hurts the experience

but if thats the only reason you dont buy it welp

[rapid loom]

i meant where to do it

[north path]

In a script?

[rapid loom]

do i need a script or something else?

[north path]

Yes

I sent you code

[rapid loom]

do i have to use "using Unity.XR.Oculus"?

question: does ffr appear in playmode?

[balmy burrow]

I am still struggling with detecting when the SteamVR Overlay is open

for Oculus, the OnApplicationPause() function works

from what I've heard at least

and if not, I know where to find another solution

but I can't seem to find anything for SteamVR

[wraith shale]

I'm bit puzzled... why are there so many VRChat modders here when there's dedicated VR chat modding discord already?

and I don't mean regular vrchat discord.. .they literally have one for modding separately

I'm kinda surprised that so many also find their way to this group instead of that one

[balmy burrow]

Yeah lol

[balmy burrow]

Can anyone help me with this

[wraith shale]

did you try this on steamvr?

would assume there would be some getter for this on the XR plugin you use, which would be openvr or openxr for steamvr

[balmy burrow]

Yes

It supposedly only works for Oculus

[balmy burrow]

Yeah I can't find anything online...

[wraith shale]

so which api you use now?

[balmy burrow]

Could you maybe help me with that? I suck at googling still 💀

OpenXR

[wraith shale]

like mentioned before yesterday... you probably want something to find the focus state of the api

you've probably seen this thread? https://forum.unity.com/threads/how-do-you-implement-openxr-focus-management-in-unity-2020.1117141/

@balmy burrow^

[balmy burrow]

Oh I see

I will look into OpenXR Focus Management

[wraith shale]

that being said, I don't even know how many steamvr games actually pause the game when you have the overlay open

[balmy burrow]

Vrchat

You enter an idle animation

I want that too

[wraith shale]

oh some probably do... but like detecting if the player has headset on is the main thing people do afaik

and that has clear api on the input system

[torn gulch]

for UIs, do you always need to keep the UI game objects layer as "Default"?

[balmy burrow]

No, it does not

It took me 2 days

To figure out how to do it

And it only works on quest

[wraith shale]

huh... there isn't that user presence input?

[torn gulch]

when we change it to "UI" it kinda doubled when looking at the UI

[balmy burrow]

It only sets to 1 once and then never updates

[wraith shale]

sounds weird but then again, knowing how broken Unity's current XR system is... I don't really doubt anything

[balmy burrow]

The way I check is by getting the Head device and checking if (isTracked)

But again

I need the players to enter an idel state

And the only way I see currently

Is by detecting when the user presses the button for the overlay

[wraith shale]

so you mean userPresence from this doesn't work right for you? https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/xr_input.html

[balmy burrow]

And then wait for controller input

As it does pause it

Yeah it does not

[wraith shale]

huh

[balmy burrow]

But that's not really needed anymore

[wraith shale]

yeah, just curious

[balmy burrow]

So this

This would mean I have to constantly update for every controller

That is just

Not good

Or is there a button that all controllers share?

Like, a generic input type?

[wraith shale]

you can just poll for any input

which would vary depending on the input system

[balmy burrow]

I need to check when they pause

[wraith shale]

new input system supposedly has InputSystem.onAnyButtonPress

[balmy burrow]

Resuming is easy, since the controllers get input again

[wraith shale]

since 1.1 or something

[balmy burrow]

This is the issue

Every controller has different menu buttons

[wraith shale]

oh you mean that button

[balmy burrow]

Do they all share a Menu or Start button?

Yes

[wraith shale]

well.. you can't rely on that data alone

I mean, that would be super sketchy

[balmy burrow]

Everything is with xr ngl

[wraith shale]

what if the states get messed up and you then think there's overlay when user presses to get out of it

you def need to detect it better

[balmy burrow]

I know but

I really don't know how

SteamVR doesn't work with OpenXR

I can't find anything online

It has support, but then requires OpenVR anyway

Like

????

[wraith shale]

?

of course it does

[balmy burrow]

Yes but it requires to to have OpenVR enabled

For it to start

Which breaks everything

[eternal bison]

Not sure if this is the right channel! But I've got a query regarding OpenXR runtime support with Unity's OpenXR provider plugin!

As per the documentation site https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.xr.openxr@1.4/manual/project-configuration.html, Unity claims that the loader should work with any OpenXR conformant runtime. And indeed it works, at least for windows. But that's not the case with Android! Where I am using Monado runtime for my development, instead of Oculus. Can someone from Unity team confirm whether this should be possible?

Please find the android logcat text in the attachment (for reference). Note that I am able to test the runtime as well as the broker with hello_xr application from OpenXR.

[wraith shale]

@eternal bison I don't think Unity staff is actively monitoring this channel

if you feel like what you are seeing is a bug, you could try filing a bug report

or otherwise write about it on the forums

[trim tangle]

Hey so i know this is pretty basic but does anyone know how to make a simple volleyball in unity vr that will respond to having force added to it depending on the amount of strenght u applied basically just a normal volleyball normal rigidbody didt work for me

[peak iris]

Hey I know this is probably pretty easy. But I'm trying to make one of those gorilla tag clones for my first vr game (It was really easy.) but I need a hat system. Can anyone help?

[sick creek]

Hi, any one knows how to record oculus controllers in unity

[tiny niche]

is that runtime even compatible with the quest though?

[tiny niche]

and how would you measure strength? just break it down into values you can measure and an algorithm you can implement

[eternal bison]

Nope (AFAIK). I am trying it with regular android device... kind of cardboard VR experience

[tiny niche]

ok, so is the monado runtime compatible with the openxr version you're using?

[eternal bison]

Yup, I was able to use in other android test applications. Apparently Unity doesn't support generic OpenXR loader on android and has some dirty links to oculus XR for android. So I am currently exploring writing my own custom loader for it.
It's a shame for Unity!

Also, I've made the post on Unity forum re this yesterday, but it hasn't been made public yet. Stuck in "Awaiting moderation before being displayed publicly." No idea what that's about!

[tiny niche]

just a dumb keyword filter trying to detect inappropriate content

[eternal bison]

I see... probably something from log dump.

[modest spindle]

Is there any way to display a dev app in Quest apps as a normal app (and not in uknown sources) without uploading it on store ?

[timid bobcat]

What VR Toolkits do you guys use/recommend?
I need something for Drawers, Doors, and a Boardgame where stones can be moved on the 2D plane.

[modest spindle]

I have been using HurricaneVR for a long time and I am very satisfied with it.

[timid bobcat]

I don't know. I didn't like the grab handleing in the tutorial.

I also tried VRTK v4, but wasn't able to get it running on both Index and Quest, after 3 days.

[pine bison]

Using OpenXR? We have steam and oculus running in parallel but I haven't tried the Index

[timid bobcat]

With it. And without, just using SteamVR and Oculus Integration. Never works with both.

[storm ether]

i have a question, how can a game like half life alyx have dynamic real time lighting and such a good graphics in VR ? i thought using real time lighting in a VR game is impossible or too expensive so how do even do this, and also how do they have such a huge world that run smoothly on VR, for example, Quest 2 has max number of triangles per frame as 200k max, so how is ir possible to have such a detailed environment with less then 200k triangles per frame, like how

i literally has one sense that is a single room only, the lights are baked completely, the number of triangles is like 200k per frame, draw calls are like 90, and can't even get 60 fps on quest 2

i really dont understand

is unity not optimized for VR games or something? high detailed VR games like half life alyx

[pine bison]

My first question is why are you comparing Half Life Alyx to a Quest 2 game @storm ether

They are literally on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of processing power

[storm ether]

i thought quest 2 is relativity is a high performance VR set

[pine bison]

If you have a look at the Quest store, look at what the best games there look like. that's what a Quest 2 can be pushed to do

Look at Vader Immortal and arizona sunshine

Quest 2 is still running on a mobile chip. It's good for standalone VR, but that has a ton of limitations

[storm ether]

oh wow lol

[pine bison]

These are the recommended specs for HL:A

[storm ether]

so its just that quest 2 is a weak VR set lol

[pine bison]

Correct

[storm ether]

lol thanks

[pine bison]

But you can do great things with it, just with a lot of limitations

[storm ether]

biggest problem i have is that i am trying to achieve high detailed environment

which clearly not possible on quest 2

[pine bison]

Of course it is, you just have to optimize

[storm ether]

i guess

[crude stream]

Hi everyone, don't know why my message has not been sent

I have a migration problem with an old Unity project

This concerns the "XRDevice.model" directly. It was used to create a UserAgent for the API calls

Now migrating to 2021 LTS, XRDevice.model no more exists, do someone faced the same problem ?

I'm not able to find any solution on the web

Thank you in advance

[peak iris]

Does anyone know how to make a hat system for a locomotion based game?

[worthy steppe]

Does anyone know a good way to track down why my quest 2 app wont launch (seems to reset the headset)

ive tried logcat with search filters (always either too much to narrow it down)
ive tried oculus log gatherer (cant figure out where to look for crash reasons)

[hearty iron]

We do a few things to get good perf on the quest. 1st lower the triangles as much as possible. We manually cut away hidden faces that are not vissible. 2nd Reduce shadow casting lights to one or two. Everything is baked. If you need realtime shadows use mixed lights with a shadowmask. 3rd Texture altasing. We try to get the entire environment per level in one or two 8k atlases that use the same shader varient and let the srp batcher do its thing. 4th Post processing is very very expensive on the quest. At most we just use tonemapping and nothing else. Bloom is faked with emmisive camera facing quads. 5th use URP. 6th anything more than 3 skinned meshes in screen need to be remade with baked vertex animations instead. 7th We dynamicly scale the render res up and down depending in the last 3 frame costs. If the last 3 frames were costly we drop res to 75% and msaa off for a few frames.

[tiny niche]

quite doable, just make sure you bake everything

detailed dynamic stuff is where it gets tough, so keep the environment static and baked

and design your gameplay around making it easy on the renderer

[storm ether]

i have 2 question, how do scale render resolution dynamically?

[hearty iron]

If you wait like 2 hours I can share our script or a version of it.https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/DynamicResolution.html

[storm ether]

yes please i would love that and it would help me alot

[hearty iron]

But instead of that we directly change the render scale on the urp asset https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.universal@10.1/manual/universalrp-asset.html

Because for some reason it did not work in vr

[storm ether]

interesting, i am knew to VR developing tbh

[storm ether]

thanks for the tips they are really helpful!

[hearty iron]

@storm ether https://gist.github.com/Kulgann/c55616e3c61bc2c819dbae758505ecb4 here is the script. Its not clean and Im providing it as is since I dont have to support you on using it. Gl&hf

[storm ether]

thank you !

[hearty iron]

@storm ether please dont dm me

[storm ether]

sorry lol

if u can share the compositor_frametiming script too plz

[hearty iron]

Thats from SteamVR you wont be using it on the Quest. You will need to get your frame timings in a different way

[timid bobcat]

ANY other VR Toolkits you guys use?

[north path]

I love VR Interaction Framework myself
Use it for all my projects

I think XR Interaction Framework is the best free one if you want to make a scalable project

[tiny niche]

xr interaction toolkit should work just fine for that

[timid bobcat]

sadly there are no example scenes, with all kinds of interactable stuff

similar to what the old VRTK used to have

[tiny niche]

eh, there's an entire game sample for it

check out the escape room tutorial

[buoyant jolt]

We have our own internal ones, but XR Interaction Framework is a good start

[fast spindle]

Anyone else have issues with the controllers not tracking (moving from their origin) when using OpenXR, XR Interaction Toolkit (2.0.2), and Oculus Integration (40.0) in an 2021.3.4f21 project?
https://forum.unity.com/threads/openxr-controller-transform-not-working.1287269/
https://forum.unity.com/threads/controllers-not-tracking-moving-from-origin-openxr-interaction-toolkit-2-0-2-oculus-integration.1296171/

[normal stratus]

i need help, i have a package downloaded and im trying to import it but it says redownload and when i press import it makes the windows sound and dosent do anything

[cloud otter]

Hi, can anyone help direct me where I need to go for the best information on setting up multiplayer servers etc. in Unity, for people to interact with each other.

[tiny niche]

#archived-networking

[gilded wyvern]

I have a question - I'd like to do something like grabbing from a pocket and creating a new item. Like pulling mags from pouches. How might this be achieved?

I was thinking that it grabs the item in/from the pouch and then creates a new one, maybe?

[gilded wyvern]

I haven't gotten OXR and Oculus to work together but my guess would be making sure that in your settings, you have your input backend set to BOTH

That way it can read input from the input actions that OXR and the toolkit use, and can read input from Oculus which iirc, uses the old input system

Make sure that your position input is turned on too

[tiny niche]

smarter way to do it is to just detect an intersection with the item in the pouch and spawn that item in your hand if the trigger is pressed

could also shrink the original to 0% scale and lerp it back to 100%

[gilded wyvern]

I'm doing it with the XR interaction toolkit. Or will do at least. Have you played or seen Aim XR? in that, you grab the mag from the holder and then it spawns a new one after a second or two

[tiny niche]

to make it seem like it disappeared and a new one came into existence

[tiny niche]

yea but you don't want to be walking around with pockets full of active interactibles unless you absolutely have to

[gilded wyvern]

I won't use socket interactors for them. I found that socket interactors are, frankly, crap

I'd just spawn them in the transform, have a custom interactor on the magazine that only works on direct interactors and then have a component for magazines that handles the attachment to guns

It might not be the most efficient but there's no plan to make this networked

[fast spindle]

I let Unity enable the backends when it asked and all the interaction seemed to be working well until I installed the Oculus Integration package.

[normal stratus]

why is my oculus playmode not working

[fast spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSD798Ov2oY
or
https://forums.oculusvr.com/t5/Unity-VR-Development/Quest-2-in-Unity-windows-pc-standalone-compilation/m-p/877683#M19686
or
https://forum.unity.com/threads/how-do-i-get-the-oculus-quest-2-to-work-in-the-unity-editor.1112443/
may help.

[normal stratus]

non of this really helped

[bleak cloak]

using xr, how would i delay the movement of the hand prefab?

like, perhaps 0.1 second delay or sum

[gilded wyvern]

So your hand moves after your controller moves?
you'd likely have to handle that yourself

I let Unity enable the backends when it

[tiny niche]

i wouldn't

that said, i've used weighted averages over 3-5 samples to almost completely eliminate jitter without introducing significant delay in the movement

[normal stratus]

when i go to test my game i do ctrl p and my oculus acts like its loading into a game but my unity doesnt budge and i dont wanna restart

does anyone know what to do to fix this

[dense roost]

do you have application spacewrap (Vulkan) enabled in the project settings? If so, disable it

[tiny niche]

first you gotta localize the issue. So make sure your changes are checked into source control, then delete the entire project and make a new one and make sure that works on your quest. Then you revert a few of the diffs at a time, until the issue comes back

and then you just do a diff between that and the working copy, drilling down until you find what you did wrong

[tawny steeple]

Does anyone know how to implement basic hand grab with the Oculus sdk? they changed the InputOVR in the latest version

[devout cosmos]

could someone help me use the VR player with normcore

[cloud otter]

thanks

[bleak cloak]

I've been trying to figure this out but I can't seem to do it

how would I grow/shrink the player to a default height?

in easier words, if I had a 6 foot tall character, how would I make the player's pov 6 feet tall?

[tiny niche]

use eye-based tracking instead of floorbased

same setting you use for sims

but people will feel like they're standing in the air

either that or you re-scale the visual world, including the characters to match the player's height

then people will feel like they're just bigger

[gilded wyvern]

If you choose floor, then it gets the HMD's height from the floor you set from your playspace

[dense roost]

I need some help please

Why I can't move the player even though I have the character controller and the ovr player controller script please

with oculus integration

[tiny niche]

take a look at the debugger

[dense roost]

can you help me please?

like, I think I kinda found the problem

[tiny niche]

i am

[dense roost]

I need to get the "Interaction OVR Camera Rig" script not detected when another script is trying to get all the "OVR Camera Rig" in children

[tiny niche]

you identify the failing line, then reconfigure the setup until it uses the correct path

[dense roost]

yeah but how do I even reconfigure that

[tiny niche]

depends on which if is taking the wrong path

[dense roost]

I mean, it is just getting what its in its children

[tiny niche]

you can't expect to fix issues without reading code and debugging

if its not finding the rig at all, then you should just start over and set up a new scene

and follow the manual

[dense roost]

it seems to try to get all the ovrcamerarigs, and if it finds more than 1, it gets the warning and doesn't continue

[dense roost]

it does find the rig

[tiny niche]

the debugger is not attached in your screenshot

attach it so we know its the correct line

[dense roost]

What do you mean with the debugger? The console?

[tiny niche]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/debugger/debugger-feature-tour?view=vs-2022 its the most important tool you have

[dense roost]

and what is that exactly for? Like, I just need to know why when I add the "interaction OVR Camera Rig" script to it (because i need it for the input ovr), it just detects it as another ovr camera rig thing and so detects it as if there was more than one. Sorry if I'm doing something wrong that is very stupid

[tiny niche]

if you read the link you'd know how it works, what its for and why its so important that you use it

but long story short: it tells you what your program is actually doing and when its doing it

[dense roost]

So it will tell me why it is detecting the interaction OVR camera rig script...?

[tiny niche]

yes

[dense roost]

is it normal that it is taking a bit too long to enter playmode...?😅

[tiny niche]

depends

[dense roost]

lol...

[dense roost]

it's been almost an hour. Should I just stop? Maybe it just broke something and won't load

[buoyant jolt]

You are using a ...0f1. that will be one buggy as hell version of Unity.

But yeah something is wrong if pressing Play takes 60mins

Lots of reasons that may happen though

[tiny niche]

yea it should not take more than 30 seconds on a decent pc, unless you're stuck on a breakpoint or managed to launch a dialog in the background

and you gotta keep updating unity when working on vr projects. version locking at the start of the project is not viable

[dense roost]

what version should I chose then? The latest LTS or just the latest available?

[modern tangle]

Latest LTS is 2021.3.4f1, upgrading from 2021.3.0f1 is highly recommended in my opinion.

[dense roost]

well I guess it's not gonna load. Bye bye small progress, hello task manager

[austere mango]

Hello folks, hope everyone is doing well, I am trying to do a texture blending on a reflection probe. I managed to make it work using a Render Texture, I call ReflectionProbe.BlendCubemap, pass my render texture and assign it to the "bakedTexture" of my probe. It works on the editor, but not on the build. I am building for the Quest 2, is that the proper way to do it? Would appreciate if anyone could give some insight on that.

[tiny niche]

if you're gonna prebake the probe contents then you might as well do that during the build process

[austere mango]

They are baked, but I have a day cycle kind of thing on my app. As the skybox textures changes, I need to also update the reflection texture.

Essentially it is a texture interpolation.

I guess it has some GPU impact, but I believe blending between textures is still cheaper than enabling realtime reflections. I have 3 textures, one for each day cycle and then I blend between them.

Here

[buoyant jolt]

I'm pretty sure it will be (more optimal). I haven't tried it, but it seems like a smart way to go about it.

[austere mango]

@buoyant jolt Yes, except it doesn't work on the build :(. Everything else does, except the reflections, for some reason it simply doesn't load.

[bright pasture]

Im trying to set up a project for quest 2 standalone, im following a tutorial and it shows a android tab in the xr managment that i dont have

How can i get that tab?

[distant chasm]

anyone could help me with this one?

[buoyant jolt]

What issue are you seeing? This is just a log message, it's pretty clear what it is recommending and why.

[buoyant jolt]

Check if the hub if you installed the Android runtime with your Unity version

[wild remnant]

Hello everyone, I'm currently working on slideshow XR application.
I have a problem with slides not being readable enough. I've tried messing around with sprite and canvas renderer options but no luck :/
I've also tried high-res, low-res. Is there any way to make text readable in googles without changing size?

With mipmaps enabled, the text is blurry, without it, text is "blinking"

[buoyant jolt]

I don't know what that (blinking) means, but text on a UI in an image on XR is going to be getting scaled constantly and will probably be blurry

You need a much higher resolution image though, 500x290 pixels for an image with that small of text is not good

That base image should be 1920x1080 at a minimum

After that the mipmaps will be constantly scaling it down and making it blurry, so definitely agreed you'll need to deal with that next

[wild remnant]

yes, I've tried this, but at 1920x1080 the text seems to be squished and unreadable

[wild remnant]

like if unity scales it down anyway

[buoyant jolt]

In VR, a person could walk up 2 inches from the screen

Then it is getting drastically scaled up

[wild remnant]

the problem is, that this is supposed to be readable distance

[buoyant jolt]

It would take a good 30mins to go through the limitations, advantages, and best practices of text in VR... But you seem to have an idea of what you expect, and I don't want to distract, so I'll withdraw from the conversation. Hopefully you get it working how you want...

[severe saffron]

Trilinear and high res usually looks good

That text looks pretty small tho

It's not a complex scene you could probably upscale 1.3x

Get some AA

[fleet pagoda]

hello, im currently having many issues regarding the download of openxr. whatever directory or project i make where i go in the package manager and install the openxr plugin, i get hundreds of errors in that regard.

they're all similar to this:
error CS0246: The type or namespace name 'XrSpaceLocationFlags' could not be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)

[fleet pagoda]

im in the process of reinstalling the install of that unity version and i will update onto that

[pure smelt]

did you add openxr via the package manager or just drag and drop it into your project

[fleet pagoda]

i got it through the package manager. i have also attempted using the project settings to get it in

other packages like terraintools have been causing this issue

[pure smelt]

have you tried assets -> reimport all?

sometimes the manifest can be corrupted if something wonky happens. reimporting assets regenerates the manifest and dependencies

[fleet pagoda]

i will do that give me a sec

@pure smelt puts me into safe mode as im re-importing.

the issues are still existing after

Script 'Packages/com.unity.xr.openxr/Runtime/Features/Interactions/KHRSimpleControllerProfile.cs' will not be compiled because it exists outside the Assets folder and does not to belong to any assembly definition file. UnityEditor.Scripting.ScriptCompilation.EditorCompilationInterface:CompileScripts (UnityEditor.Scripting.ScriptCompilation.EditorScriptCompilationOptions,UnityEditor.BuildTargetGroup,UnityEditor.BuildTarget,int,string[])

thats a yellow warning i also had

[pure smelt]

you're SURE you just added openxr through the package manager?

like 1000% you'd bet the life of your family on it

because it's very rare that the package manager just decides to install a package in the wrong place

and by very rare i mean it's not really possible

[fleet pagoda]

if you want i can record a video of me doing it

[pure smelt]

sure. start a new project, open the package manager, install it and show me the error

[fleet pagoda]

ill do it with a few screenshots

this is the setting im making my project with

fresh project

@pure smelt does me not having legit windows affect any of this

[pure smelt]

lol i'm not sure

[fleet pagoda]

hopefully not

that's a 200 dollar issue if so

so i click this guy

[pure smelt]

you're skipping the package manager step?

[fleet pagoda]

let me go get it there rq

pressing install

my unity has reopened the project on its own

[pure smelt]

which version of unity is this btw

2022?

[fleet pagoda]

2021.3

for some reason it worked here

[pure smelt]

whyyyy do you have a different version of the openxr plugin

hmm

[fleet pagoda]

good question mate

[pure smelt]

it's a christmas miracle!

[fleet pagoda]

wait

this cant be for real hold on

let me re-open the project

might fuck up then

had that happen to me

just worked i guess

that is odd considering for how long this has been happening

[dense roost]

help with that please

I don't know how to "enable" position and/or rotation action

where do I enable that

[gilded wyvern]

You need to enable the input actions in a script before they can be used

I believe (although i'm not 100% sure) there may be a script that enables input an input action map

[dense roost]

I enables all of those, and now it seems to be kinda working. Is that it?

[gilded wyvern]

Maybe? I'm not all too clued up on the action based controllers

[dense roost]

btw, is it normal that with oculus integration I literally get half the fps that I get with UnityXR?

[wraith shale]

that question makes no sense

@dense roost

oculus integration uses Unity's xr system

[dense roost]

I mean, like using the xr origin thing instead of the ovr rig

[wraith shale]

doesn't sound normal then

[pine bison]

Maybe you have two cameras active

[dense roost]

I only had the center eye camera enabled

[wraith shale]

have you tested this with some oculus shipped example scenes?

[dense roost]

but anyway, I'm just gonna use the XR origin thing instead of the oculus integration because I just couldn't manage to make anything work properly with it

[dense roost]

yeah, and same results

XR origin gave better performance

[wraith shale]

like.. on unmodified oculus sample scenes?

they should just work

[dense roost]

like, those worked, but performance was not as good as with just the XR origin

[wraith shale]

how can you tell it's performing worse?

[dense roost]

by checking GPU usage

[wraith shale]

that tells very little

[dense roost]

oculus was always at +90% usage, and XR origin was a 60-70

[wraith shale]

are you talking now about windows builds or native quest builds?

[dense roost]

native quest

[wraith shale]

oculus samples ship with oculus manager that can change your device settings to target different fps etc

meaning you might actually be running at higher framerate with oculus samples

are you using ovr metrics tool to check the usage?

[dense roost]

both test were at 90fps

[dense roost]

yes

[wraith shale]

and on both tests the cpu and gpu levels are at same values?

by levels I don't mean the usage

[dense roost]

with oculus integration it was 4 and with XR was 3 and sometimes 4

[wraith shale]

you can force these levels for benchmarking too to get more easily comparable results

anyway, it's probably not the change from the rig itself but from the oculus manager settings rather

[dense roost]

I don't know what I could change from the oculus manager settings

[wraith shale]

there's plenty of things on oculus manager that could impact the perf ...like hand tracking settings

it might actually force the higher precision hand tracking on etc

(on stock settings)

[dense roost]

but shouldn't that affect CPU, not GPU?

[wraith shale]

I don't really know how much these are connected.. just saying there can be plenty of settings that get set with oculus manager by default that don't get set without it

[dense roost]

oh okay

well I'll try out the XR origin for now, and see how it performs under stress

[rocky owl]

Why wont my oculus quest 2 controllers work in Unity? Like whenever i play a scene, I cant see the controllers, they dont track, like they havent been added, the red pointing line also doesnt move to my controllers

[buoyant jolt]

It sounds like a missed setting in the XR plugin to add controllers

[bleak cloak]

how would I get an object's owner? like the player who has picked it up

[timber wraith]

Hello,
Is there a clean way to attach different objects to an XR Socket Interactor in different orientations?
I'd imagining a solution similar to how each object has its own grab interaction attach point.

For example, a handgun socket would attach in its centre, but a sword would attach closer to it's handle.

[tepid onyx]

Someone know how to simulate controller's battery discharge? I using OVR Manager for Oculus Quest and I have a bug what show only if battery is discharged. If I take the battery off, everything works correctly.

1. If I take off the battery and take in, the controller works correctly.
2. If the battery is discharged (the controller stops works) and I change the battery, controller doesn't works.
   Probably there is some callback (idk)

[small shell]

Does anyone know what is the most effective way to add recoil to a weapon in steam vr?

I already tried to add force directly to the weapon but the hand rejects it. And I also tried it with my hand and nothing. Someone help me ?

And I have the weapon in advanced estimated speed

And by the way, does anyone know what antialiasing to put so that it goes smoothly and well?

[buoyant jolt]

Re: recoil, vibrate controller, animate away from target, slowly move it back to target. Don't actually parent it to the hands - create an alias (follower) that you can override.

[small shell]

I didn't understand very well

[buoyant jolt]

No problem, you want the player to get a vibration effect to know a recoil is happening, so I'd vibrate the controller.

Then, knowing that the controller should never be moved against their will, you need the recoil applied to the gun. One good way (in my opinion) is to create an object that can follow the controller, but stop following and do something else anytime. It also helps you when you switch VR frameworks down the road (separating your logic from the VR). I call the follower an alias, but it's basically an independent game object trying to follow the controller.

From there, the moment a shot is fired, you can tilt the child of the alias (the gun) away from the target, and lerp it back to its original firing position. That causes that jerk effect followed by slowly bringing the gun back to its sights.

By doing it this way, you can decouple the models of the game from the VR, so you can reuse it later in other ways (web support, mobile support, desktop non VR, etc) and not interfere with the VR framework

[steel solar]

im trying to make a game and i have made a tiny map but when i plug my headset into my pc and tap play it doesnt show in my headset i have an oculus quest 2

[deep temple]

@steel solar I feel like you need to post more information, what kind of headset, are there any errors, any other information you can think of. More people will be willing to help

[steel solar]

i dont know of any othe rproblems except it says reload script assemblies when i try to load it

[daring pecan]

Hi, is there a way to make one eye of the VR headset see black? Sort of like an eye patch effect?

[steel solar]

yes there is idk how to if you watch one of his tutorial videos on how to make a vr game

[daring pecan]

who do you mean?

[steel solar]

sorry its from another server but the video is how to make VR games in 2022 made by justin p barnett

[daring pecan]

Going to check it out, thanks

[split forum]

does anyone happen know why my VR game goes to like 5 FPS sometimes, I didn't have this issue before, but now whenever I run a game its like 5 FPS and there's black on the sides whenever you move your head even on a fresh new project with nothing in it

[fleet rampart]

does anyone know how to properly use the Hexa4Rig from hurricaneVR cause none of the inputs work and im using OpenXR and i tried both versions of the rig and even tried to put the inputs in a input manager and i still got nothing

[foggy prism]

so if i want to make a game with unity on vr, but dont want to use oculus link. can i just build it into android and install the apk app in oculus?

[pine bison]

Yes, but if you're new to VR development it's a big hassle to not be able to test quickly

[foggy prism]

im am testing quickly, so dont worry

[pine bison]

Testing quickly by pressing play in editor, I mean. Basically while you're troubleshooting it will take a few minutes each time you need to test it

[buoyant jolt]

The blackbars just happen from bad performance. You need to do a profiler or monitor the headset to see why it is slowing down, but it is either your code, the environment, or some plugins you added.

[buoyant jolt]

Yup, I do this in some of our youth teaching camps, where they give the kids MacBooks for VR development. It works but only really if you know what you are doing and working on simpler projects. It's a start at least though

[broken elm]

Has someone use the OVR hand grab interactable? I'm trying to implementate a specific rotation movement but the hand grab interactable moves the object, is it possible to let the objects stay in the same place when using an interactable?

[small shell]

Hi, I'm on steam vr and I've made a script to be able to hold the weapon with 2 hands but I don't know why the weapon starts to move by itself and jump and when you have it in your hands it starts to vibrate

[buoyant jolt]

Yeah I can't read that.

[uncut hedge]

Is UGS able to support a leaderboard?

[uncut hedge]

just do a wireless link. It's much faster to test directly with the editor and you are able to debug much better as well since you can change values in the editor while its running...

[marsh crest]

hi, im new to vr development and i dont really know how to make a vr interactable system

i dont need too much, just holding and throwing and just basic movement

and maybe sword physics, as in detecting force and doing stuff after detection

[cerulean gale]

I was looking at the documentation for XR and I followed the instructions for the rig and such but I cannot seem to get the controller tracking to work. I see in the input debug menu I see what I believe are my controllers under unsupported. I am using the Oculus Rift cv1.

[split forum]

How do I fix an issue when trying to give 1 object both a grab interactable and simple interactable - it says a collider used by an interactable object is already registered and I can only have one of those at a time?

[stoic storm]

Hello, any AvPro user here ?
I've got an issue, in the editor everything work, but in the build, my 360 videos are in two parts (i don't do the export myself)
Any idea of what it can be ? (working on occulus quest 2

[pine bison]

Sounds like you need to change one of these