archived-networking

[patent bronze]

this is only in the scene, the game looks normal

is there any way to deactivate this?

[tepid bane]

How much work is it to convert SP game into MP with NGO? Should I start with MP right away?

[austere yacht]

Yes

[sharp axle]

This is part of the Multiplayer Tools. You an find it under Windows -> Multiplayer -> Multiplayer Tools

[twilit ingot]

Hello all. Using NGO, What's the proper way of handling the GameObject with the Network Manager Component on it?

It lives on the start menu and I guess internally it is already set for DDOL. But every time moving back to Start menu, it spawns a duplicate.

[tame slate]

I usually destroy the NetworkManager when disconnected from it and when done using it. Allowing the new one in the Start Menu to be used when loading back to that scene.

[twilit ingot]

Cool, ill destroy in my activity manager class when calling GoToStartMenu. I was just not sure if there would be any issues by not using the original one spawned from any kind of initializations internally to the script. But good to know it doesn't matter.

[tame slate]

All the initializations will be ran again by the new one

[sharp axle]

The other alternative is having an empty bootstrap scene with the network manager automatically switching to the main menu. Then you can always switch back to the main menu without duplicating or destroying things

[twilit ingot]

I ended up just creating the network manager on a prefab and a script on my start menu just checks to see if the singleton is not null and spawns if it is. I tried the startup scene(that only has the network manager GO on it) route that goes directly to start menu at launch , but i hate that work flow.

[zealous violet]

Does Firebase Analytics events show up immediately after being called or they take time?
Like this one

EventCall("ABC Game " + Levels.ToString());

void EventCall(string eventToCall)
{
try
{
FirebaseAnalytics.LogEvent(eventToCall);
}
catch (Exception e)
{
print(e.ToString());
}
}

[bright coral]

The docs say

You can view aggregated statistics about your events in the Firebase console dashboards. These dashboards update periodically throughout the day.
https://firebase.google.com/docs/analytics/events?platform=ios#view_events_in_the_dashboard

[vague niche]

easiest way is to have a scene just for game launch. When the game starts it opens this scene before anything else. That's where I find out if the user is a client or server, then it loads the main menu

[willow jackal]

Another question about distributed auth and NGO with WebGL.

I have this function that runs fine on the MacOS or PC. But when I build for WebGL it does not.

Basically the Debug.Log($"ServicesHelper: Before CreateOrJoin"); Gets printed but the Debug.Log($"ServicesHelper: After CreateOrJoin - Success"); Never does. and also none of the catch messages. And the code never gets to Debug.Log($"ServicesHelper: Session created/joined successfully. Players: {m_CurrentSession.Players.Count}");.

async Task ConnectThroughLiveService(string sessionName)
    {
        Debug.Log("ServicesHelper: ConnectThroughLiveService - Starting");
        
        try 
        {
            var options = new SessionOptions()
            {
                Name = sessionName,
                MaxPlayers = 4,
                IsPrivate = false,
            }.WithDistributedAuthorityNetwork();

            Debug.Log($"ServicesHelper: Before CreateOrJoin");
            
            // Specific try-catch for the CreateOrJoin operation
            try 
            {
                m_CurrentSession = await MultiplayerService.Instance.CreateOrJoinSessionAsync(sessionName, options);
                Debug.Log($"ServicesHelper: After CreateOrJoin - Success");
            }
            catch (Exception createJoinEx)
            {
                Debug.LogError($"ServicesHelper: CreateOrJoin specific error: {createJoinEx.Message}");
                Debug.LogError($"ServicesHelper: CreateOrJoin stack trace: {createJoinEx.StackTrace}");
                
                // Also log the status of MultiplayerService
                Debug.LogError("ServicesHelper: MultiplayerService connection failed");
                Debug.LogError($"ServicesHelper: Is Authentication signed in: {AuthenticationService.Instance?.IsSignedIn}");
                throw;
            }
            
            Debug.Log($"ServicesHelper: Session created/joined successfully. Players: {m_CurrentSession.Players.Count}");
            
            m_CurrentSession.RemovedFromSession += RemovedFromSession;
            m_CurrentSession.StateChanged += CurrentSessionOnStateChanged;
        }
        catch (Exception e)
        {
            Debug.LogError($"ServicesHelper: Failed to connect: {e.Message}");
            Debug.LogError($"ServicesHelper: Stack trace: {e.StackTrace}");
            throw;
        }
    }

[weak plinth]

Does anyone know a good system and tutorial for p2p networking

(Im using p2p because I can't afford to host a server for connection)

[sweet siren]

NetCode for GameObjects is Unity's official networking solution but it's server-authoritative (meaning one client acts as a "server" for people to talk to). The only downside is that if the host or the "server" disconnects then everybody will leave and so host migration isn't exactly a thing

But Unity has another service called Lobby you could pair with NetCode for GameObjects which would let players host lobbies (duh) and you can tell the lobby to swap hosts and then you could manage connecting to the new host yourself (lobby is INCREDIBLY cheap and it would take tens of thousands of players constantly joining and leaving lobbies to even cost you less than $1)

[weak plinth]

That could work yes. I could have a warning before the host leaves to tell them if they disconnect it will end everyones game, and have a system for if a host consistantly leaves when hosting then they are banned from hosting the games

[sweet siren]

Awesome then yeah I would recommend NetCode for GameObjects!! Code Monkey goes over it pretty well as he does with everything else. Incredibly useful channel

[weak plinth]

Yeah ive seen that channel. Thanks for the help

[sweet siren]

No worries good luck!

[weak plinth]

Cheers

[tidal trail]

How to get PrefabInstance in client this code?

i using netcode for GameObjects

[sharp axle]

The easy way is to use that objects OnNetworkSpawn() that will get called on all the clients
You could also send the NetworkObjectReference in an RPC if you want

[tidal trail]

Thanks! but i stuck to find out OnNetworkSpawn() in getting value of OwnerClientId. it just 0

how to use that function

[tidal trail]

that Debug.Log just print on server side

result is here

[tame slate]

Any in-scene NetworkObjects are owned by the server by default - meaning an OwnerClientId of 0

If you want the OwnerClientId of the PlayerObject through OnNetworkSpawn, you would use OnNetworkSpawn on a script on the player object itself - not in PlayerSpawn which I assume is an in-scene NetworkObject

[sharp axle]

You want to use NetworkManager.Singleton.LocalClientId instead of OwnerClientId

[low saddle]

Anyone using Photon Fusion 2 can tell me if Mono Celi is still required? i get conflicting information on the web but the doc no longer reference it

[tidal trail]

Oh thank you ill try

[spark terrace]

Hello, I have a question about Unity6's Multiplayer play mode. If you do something that requires scene loading in a newly opened virtual scene, Build Profile will tell you to set the scene or many game objects will be missing. Is it a bug? Is there a way to fix it yet?

Based on 1.4.0-pre.1, the latest version of multiplayer mode, clicking the original Unity Editor during SceneLoad of the virtual scene causes the Build Profile to specify a scene.

[sharp axle]

This is happening during scene reload?

[spark terrace]

That's right. When I'm loading a scene in MPPM's Game View, and I click on the Unity Editor when the scene load is not complete, I get a warning that Scene Setting in Build Profile is required.

[static dust]

can i get photon help here..?

[sharp axle]

Maybe? Photon has their own Discord server though

[weak plinth]

Im not sure what IP to do here if I want it to work anywhere

for example someone from USA and UK connecting to host in Germany

[sharp axle]

You would a Relay service for this. or you can set up port forwarding for the host (not recommended)

[weak plinth]

hang on so the address is for the relay server?

ah

Im still a bit confused

what do I change for this?

im using netcode

[tame slate]

@weak plinth these are your options here. You won't be able to change anything in there on its own to enable online play.

Unity's Relay service can be read about here: https://docs.unity.com/ugs/manual/relay/manual/introduction

[weak plinth]

ok, but Im still not sure what to do with it. since I set that thing up but do I change the protocol type or what?

im new so please be patient

[tame slate]

The manual has samples and start up guides:
https://docs.unity.com/ugs/en-us/manual/relay/manual/get-started
https://docs.unity.com/ugs/en-us/manual/relay/manual/relay-and-ngo

[dry halo]

Hello, I'm trying to use WebRTC in Unity I'm not sure whats happening but I can only receive one frame and then I don't receive anything else

I was wondering if anyone had a similar issue?

If I receive the video stream on my browser I'm able to see the entire video stream

[sharp axle]

Are you using the webRtc package?
https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.webrtc@3.0/manual/videostreaming.html

[rough lion]

Hi ! I am using the Unity Relay Service and I am trying to also implement a LAN solution for my game, but for that I need to change the Protocol Type in the Unity Transport component of the NetworkMaganer from "Unity Transport" to "Relay Unity Transport", and vice-versa. I know you can change dynamicly to "Unity Transport" by changing the SetConnectionData (like stated in this post : https://discussions.unity.com/t/how-to-set-protocol-type/924171/2), but is it possible to do the opposite and change to "Relay Unity Transport" ?

[plain zenith]

Hey guys I’m trying to figure out how to setup my first person shooting mechanics in a multiplayer setting. I’m wondering how to make the pov from a second player accurate to what the first player sees on their first person rendered pov. (Making the player model and first person model accurate to eachother). And how I can hide a players own model from their own pov, while also being able to see other player’s player models. I’ve run into a problem where the player models are all on one layer that the first person camera blocks through culling mask.

I’m also curious of how to create a first person pov haha, making the full player model took me a lot of time on its own, and trying to replicate the arms, and then any equipment on the arms during runtime might be kindof difficult

[sharp axle]

The easy way is with the Multiplayer Services SDK
https://docs.unity.com/ugs/en-us/manual/mps-sdk/manual/create-session#Type_of_network_connection

[sharp axle]

You can change the layer of just the local player model so only it gets culled

[plain zenith]

How do you make the layer only local?

[sharp axle]

I think the standard is to have a separate fps model that is loaded for the local player while the remote players use regular model

[plain zenith]

I see, that’s what I imagined, it’s going to take me a lot of time to figure out how to get all the weapons and equipment to stick to the player model and first person model correctly 😂

I will have to Create two seperate animations for every single weapon AHHH

And I’ll have to learn how to actually make a first person pov with the arms and legs lol

[sharp axle]

In OnNetworkSpawn(), check for isLocalPlayer then set it's gameObject.layer

[plain zenith]

Thankyou sir

[rough lion]

This is great ! but I'm also trying to change the protocol type so I don't have to connect the Relay every time I'm doing testing using my own computer with the Multiplayer Play Mode. So is it possible to change from one another protocol type by script ?

[sharp axle]

You can kinda see how Opsive does it here
https://opsive.com/support/documentation/ultimate-character-controller/camera/view-types/included-view-types/first-person/

[sharp axle]

You can just change the session options before you connect

[plain zenith]

Dude Thankyou

[floral jay]

Typically in games the first person pov is just the arms of the model, its a much easier solution unless you really want the player to be able to see their feet

[plain zenith]

The game must have feet.

[dire sorrel]

Some first person shooters like Apex Legends don’t have body parts other than arms and hands. They have no torso, legs, or feet or head. You could have a completely invisible body that casts a shadow on the ground and then add arms and hands in front of a second camera that is rendered over the main camera view. Halo does it, it looks strange when you get up against a wall, but the hands never clip into the wall- you always see them.

Halo has feet but it’s a real effort to position the camera to look down, see the feet, but not have the torso in the way.

Halo’s camera is not at the eyes. And you don’t want them attached to the body. You want the camera attached to the capsule.

[plain zenith]

I will probably take this approach for now because it seems to be the easiest, but ideally I would want the playuer to be able to see what action their feet are in, for the sake of scaling objects and stuff. What comes to mind for me when I think about a good example for first person view that I would like is, Dark and Darker

[plain zenith]

    private void OnNetworkInstantiate(){
        if (IsClient){
            GameObject playerModelObject = gameObject.transform.Find("PlayerModel").gameObject;
            searchTree(playerModelObject);
        }
    }

    // Recursive method used to search through child objects.
    private void searchTree(GameObject node){
        int i = 0;
        while (node != null){
            node.layer = 6;
            node = node.transform.GetChild(i).gameObject;
            searchTree(node);
            i++;
        }
    }``` My attempt at what you said, not working for osm reason, maybe because im starting the game as a host?

[tame slate]

What about that is not working?

[plain zenith]

OnNetworkInstantiate() is not being called, or for some reason IsClient is false

Im using netcode for gameobjects, and joining by selecting start host

does OnNetworkInstantiate() go after start or update or something? Im not sure if that would affect it being executed or not?

[tame slate]

It's OnNetworkSpawn()

public override void OnNetworkSpawn() { }

[plain zenith]

        int i = 0;
        while (node != null){
            Debug.Log(node.name);
            node.layer = 6;
            node = node.transform.GetChild(i).gameObject;
            i++;
            searchTree(node);
        }
    } ``` apparently an empty GetChild() doesnt return a null?

[tame slate]

There's no such thing as an empty child in that context of GetChild(). Either there's a child GameObject at that index, or there isn't or you'll get an index out of bounds error.

[plain zenith]

ah I see, its an array not a list

thankyou, and that override keyword made that function work, I appreciate it man!

[tame slate]

np

[tame slate]

Wouldn't make a difference

[plain zenith]

well if it was a list, the next spot reserved for another object would be null, if it was empty

wheres in an array its out of bounds error

[tame slate]

in the context of GetChild() there will never be an empty. There are only as many elements as there are children GameObjects.

[plain zenith]

kk

[faint idol]

Hi friends, I am trying to make a multiplayer game but there are always two players controlling each player I want to make something different like there is only one reward wheel I want it to be controlled by both players turn by turn. For example, first player A turns the wheel, and player B just sees and then player B spins the wheel, and player A sees.

[sharp axle]

You'll need to make some kind of turn manager that will disable the input when it not the player's turn

[faint idol]

@sharp axle how can i do this phone pun2

[sharp axle]

It's not a networking thing. Just a variable for turn number. When it's not the player's turn you can make all the button.interactable = false

[faint idol]

oh no i want it to make multiplayer this same screen shows on both players deveice but at a time only one player can spin the wheen

[flat vector]

Any suggestions on best tutorial video on websockets.

[sharp axle]

You'll probably have to narrow it down. Do you want to use netcode for gameonjects with websockets?

[flat vector]

Ngo concept and anything. I am new to websockets now and one company told me to learn websockets within 2 days.

[dusk shard]

I feel like am missing something obvious, but I'm going through the Boss Room sample project learning about relay/lobby, but I keep running into issues in my own project with errors about classes and methods existing in two packages like The type 'Allocation' exists in both 'Unity.Services.Multiplayer, Version=0.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' and 'Unity.Services.Relay, Version=0.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' but I see both of these packages in the Boss Room project as well without any issue. Does anyone have any idea what the difference could be I could look into?

I've also tried just removing the Relay package to see if that fixes it, but then other errors show up that need that package, so I am currently stuck.

Same thing happens with Multiplayer and the Lobby packages, even though that one is also used in the sample project.

[dusk shard]

I managed to use the upgrade guide to get these issues fixed, but I am still curious why this isn't necessary in the sample if anyone knows.

[sharp axle]

Boss Room was make way before the Multiplayer Services SDK existed and hasn't been updated for it yet. I don't think Boss Room is a very good learning project in any case.

[wooden lagoon]

Hi guys i been creating a unit combat system like this. When trigger the attack behaviour will start by create a collider to check all the unit in side, and then search for valid target, it will then call a function from the target health behaviour script to reduce the amount of attack token, if the attack token is > 0 then it will sync the target to client and network, subscribe it change target function to target death event, then move to target, then after reached the destination, it will start attacking it's target. And if the target died, it will trigger the event to change the target. The problem is when changing the target, sometime it got a very weird interaction that will prevent the attacker to regain attack token if it's being targeted by another unit. I know it's a very complicated thing to describe, but i hope to get some help from u guys. TY !

I've been trying to fix it for week, but sadly still cant understand what's causing the problem

[sharp axle]

sounds like this is NPC behavior and probably shouldn't be networked at all. But I would have Health and the Attack Token be network Variables if they are needed for client side UI.

[wooden lagoon]

thank u man, i will double check.

[dusk shard]

What makes you say its not a good learning project, and what would you recommend in its place?

[sharp axle]

Its way too complicated. I would argue overengineered. The Multiplayer Services SDK and Widgets makes all of that kinda trivial.

Widgets do currently lack customization but I hear that is coming

[dusk shard]

Is there a sample project that has these showcased? I can see the documentation, but I can get a better understanding having a visual project I can run side by side.

[sharp axle]

If you are on Unity 6, the Multiplayer Center has a Quickstart section with some built in samples

[dusk shard]

I feel it was too easy to be led down an old deprecated path, especially with the multiplayer sdk essentially swallowing relay and lobby. I agree that the Boss Room prroject was surprisingly high grade for a sample and certainly didn't expect to see dependency injection lol, but I was able to tear through it to understand it and at least had something to work against. Maybe that will serve me well as I change approaches yet again lol

[ocean wadi]

Hi! So I am still pretty new to networking and ran into some issues regarding certain networking methods in Fishnet running twice on the host player as the server and client side is being handled by the same game instance.

I was recommended to separate out the server and client. I had some questions about this.

What are your thoughts on this method?

This would still be peer-to-peer right as the server is still on one of the client's computers (I wouldn't need a dedicated server when eventually shipping the game)?

Additionally, when testing this I would need to create an additional game instance to act as the server, how would this work in a shipped game where you would only be able to run one instance of the game?

[sharp axle]

I don't use fishnet, but usually you will run a check on the host to make sure things like movement is not happening twice for the host client. There is no need have a separate server instance running if you are having clients host.

[ocean wadi]

Oh ya it's nothing like that pretty much there are methods such as OnLoadEnd or OnActiveSceneSet that runs on the server and all clients for syncing purposes and as a result triggers twice on the host and I've been having a little trouble regarding the checks.

[sharp axle]

For something like that I would have the first line of those be along the lines of if(IsServer) return;

[ocean wadi]

Ya I tried that. The issue is that OnLoadEnd runs when a scene has finished loading and I am using in on the local object pooling system to instantiate certain pools depending on the scene. When I add the server check on both runs outs, it would both technically be the server on the host side.

[junior sapphire]

Hi I've noticed some peculiar behaviour with my remote Linux NGO game server instances (using secure websockets). I generally start up 3-4 game servers with NetworkManager.StartServer() so that clients have something they can quickly connect to.

If these server instances have been running for an extended period (a couple hours or so) without any client connections, they seem to go "stale" and a connecting client will be disconnected immediately after connecting with the following TLS error on the server.

\Failed to decrypt packet (error: 1048580). Likely internal TLS failure. Closing connection.```
Does anyone know what might be the cause of this? The work around I have is to automatically restart inactive servers every 10min or so but I'd like to know more about what is causing the failure if anyone has experienced something similar?

[dusty girder]

I'm trying to follow the tutorial for multiplay, and when i get to the deployment step, it fails on fleet, and I can't seem to get past it. Don't see any kind of useful error, just "failed to deploy: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request"

I'm using the "Small Scale Competitive Multiplayer" sample project's tutorial

[sharp axle]

I'm not sure why that always fails but you can make the fleet manually on the Cloud Dashboard

[dusty girder]

Sure but I can’t proceed with the tutorial

[compact shuttle]

What is the difference between Anticipation and Prediction?
Specifically https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.netcode.gameobjects@1.9/api/Unity.Netcode.Components.AnticipatedNetworkTransform.html
Versus client-side prediction

It doesn't mention anywhere as far as I'm aware what the difference is

[tame slate]

https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/advanced-topics/client-anticipation/

Netcode for GameObjects doesn't support full client-side prediction and reconciliation, but it does support client anticipation: a simplified model that lacks the full rollback-and-replay prediction loop, but still provides a mechanism for anticipating the server result of an action and then correcting if you anticipated incorrectly.

A bit better explained here

[compact shuttle]

Ah, thank you!

[tight rapids]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.services.multiplay@1.1/api/Unity.Services.Multiplay.IMultiplayService.StartServerQueryHandlerAsync.html

hello peeps, I was wondering what the buildid and map variables are for in startserverqueryhandler. docs aren't really giving me an idea on what they're for.

my initial assumptions is that buildID is handled by us for our own use and that map is just an extra variable to be used like what map a level loads with

[sharp axle]

Yea. The build Id is like the version number of the build. And the multiplayer map are both used for matchmaking queries

[tight rapids]

thank you!

[sand ginkgo]

@sharp axle @ornate zinc @opal dust @noble spindle @tame slate I'm looking into using WebRTC in Unity and saw that you posted or answered around messages for WebRTC recently. Did you get those solutions running or continue those messages threads anywhere?

I'm aiming to use WebRTC with a Quest 3 build and the OpenAI Realtime API so that I can mock talking to an AI assistant in realtime in VR.

WebRTC, Unity, Quest 3 VR: I haven't worked with WebRTC before, so I'm trying to understand the standard, available tools, and what I'll have to implement. If there's some response on this, I can also share openly here in case that helps anyone looking in the future.

[sharp axle]

No need to mass ping people. I've just been point folks to the WebRTC package

[sand ginkgo]

Ah apologies if that was a nuisance. I gave it a shot since it seemed like a lot of unclosed threads.

And thanks for the response. Have you used that WebRTC package with success? Do you happen to know of any Android limitations? I ask because some quick research shows that people seem to say it's hard to work with.

Of course that might just be development errors too and not the package itself.

[sand ginkgo]

I haven't worked with WebRTC before, so

Apologies for extra channel spam. I just created a thread I'll add to for anyone that's looking in the future. Accidentally threaded the wrong message at first though - sorry all if that pinged you a ton!

[prisma thistle]

Hello everyone! I'm currently trying out the unity vr multiplayer template but encountered an issue. In their setup, one player acts as a host and the other players that join act as clients. All physics interactables are setup to have a Client Network Transform Component. However, the host can't move the objects, they just stay in place (The client can, though, and it also gets synchronized).
There was also a question about this on the forum here https://discussions.unity.com/t/host-cant-move-objects-in-base-vr-multiplayer-template/1571622 but no one answered it.

From my understanding, shouldn't the host also act as a client and therefore be able to interact with the Client Network Transform Objects?

Also, the host seems to own the objects as well, still can't move them however

[sharp axle]

If I remember right the objects in the VR Template are owner based. When a client grabs one it requests ownership and should be able to move them

[prisma thistle]

hmm I see, but from what I understand, the clients are not really the problem right now. They can move the objects around just fine (as long as they have a Client Network Transform Component). But the host can't move these objects for some reason.

[sharp axle]

You'll need to check that the ownership is actually changing to the host. No clue why that wouldn't work

[prisma thistle]

Thanks for your quick help! I experimented some more and it seems that it works differently for objects that I create add myself. Here, the host can move it but when the client tries to move it the object snaps back to its originial position after letting go. This would add to what you said that I need to ask the host for ownership, do you know of good resources where that is described?

No idea why this doesn't work for their objects though, from what I can see they're using the exact same configuration🤷‍♂️

[sharp axle]

Its not much of a guide but the quick start guide

[ornate zinc]

Also no need to add people randomly…

[livid frost]

Hello! I've started using the networking packages on the 6000.0.30f1. Up until now, all the information I've seen including official documentation is saying to use the MultiplayPackage. Notably for hosting dedicated servers, the MultiplayService.Instance is need to access stuff like the ServerConfig and setup correctly the NetworkManager and the likes.

However, the package is marked as deprecated and although I've seen disccusions mentioning that it can be swapped, as indicated in the package manager, with the new unified Multiplayer.Services package. I fail to see how I would go about getting an equivalent to the MultiplayService.Instance.ServerConfig

[livid frost]

EDIT: My mistake, I'm using assembly references and missed the Unity.Services.Multiplayer.Multiplay

[open cobalt]

[MIRROR] Hello, I am trying to host an online webgl game on itch.io but the problem is that i cant make a websocket server i say the docs and there is nothing really usefull for me.The game as a pc game works with online. how could i make a dedicated websocket server or maybe even use AWS for websocket connection

[sand ginkgo]

Do you mean you? I added you because you had WebRTC questions that seemed to go unanswered. But again, apologies if the ping felt more bothersome than helpful.

[idle sonnet]

i'm making a chunking system for streaming world chunks, if a player edits a chunk(like adding a GameObject to it) that a client dosent have loaded how would i pass that change to new clients that load that chunk?

i assume the server will have to have all chunks loaded but will that be performant enough? i'm not really sure how the headless unity server build works

[tight rapids]

**[Multiplay] ** hello peeps, what do you guys generally exclude when creating a headless server build? Currently when running mine on Multiplay, I get about 50%+ usage with nothing but a ground plane and a skybox. When I get 2 clients to join, it goes up to 56%. I have limited the FPS to 60 because I read online about uncapped framerates running as fast as possible due to no rendering but that only took it down a notch. Any other stuff you guys exclude to bring the usage down?

[ripe mesa]

Browser cannot open connection for security purpose, your choice is to use Relay, or a dedicated server

[ornate zinc]

And to not leave your question unanswered. I stepped away from webrtc and am working with native platform features now, so I would have been out of this conversation anyways.

[sharp axle]

https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/tools/current/porting-to-dgs/optimizing-server-builds/

[open cobalt]

and how can i make that dedicated server it gives me this error

[sharp axle]

https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/transport/current/minimal-workflow-ws/

[compact shuttle]

Is it normal to have such high CPU usage in a dedicated windows build?
It goes up to 85% if not more
Processor is 24 / 32
Unity: 6000.0.33f1

Unsure whether this is part of networking or if it's part of something else, please redirect me if I'm in the wrong category.

Edit: Ah I forgot to limit the target frame rate for the server, my apologies!

[open cobalt]

so does this work with mirror and do i need UTP or Unity transport?

[sharp axle]

Mirror has its own Transport that would have its own way to connect to websockets.

UTP is the Unity Transport Package

[open cobalt]

can i use it with mirror?

since it is based of NGO

oh wait you can

[sharp axle]

Right, https://docs.unity.com/ugs/manual/relay/manual/mirror

[open cobalt]

k thx

[feral siren]

Hi guys, does anyone know how to run animations and sync between all clients using Netcode for Entities? I'm struggling with this and haven't found anything useful yet. All the Unity examples (megacity, ecs samples, multiplayer FPS) only use objects that don't need animations (cubes, capsules and cars that only move on the x, y and z axes), I haven't seen an example showing any real animations such as running, jumping, shooting, dying, etc.

[austere yacht]

why would you need to sync those directly? you could just run those on the clients as cosmetic effects.

regardless, you can use https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/components/networkanimator/

but as that example states, its kinda pointless to sync animations directly, cause they are typically irrelevant for gameplay logic

note that entities (if you are using that) does not (natively) support animations yet and this limitation extends to netcode projects made with entities.

[sand ginkgo]

Okay, won't tag you on future ones. I think it's a loss to the community when open threads don't get closed, so that's part of why I tried to bring together recent contributors. And of course yes: I asked because I want answers too. Noted you don't want in on WebRTC though. Good luck on future work.

[sharp axle]

Yea. currently DOTS does not have an animation system. Your best bet is to use one of the 3rd party assets like Rukhanka Animation

[slate fog]

Hello, I am trying to run the following code for RelayManager

public async Task<string> StartHostWithRelay(int maxConnections = 3)
    {
        Allocation allocation;

        try
        {
            allocation = await RelayService.Instance.CreateAllocationAsync(maxConnections);
        }
        catch
        {
            Debug.LogError("Creating allocation failed");
            throw;
        }

        NetworkManager.Singleton.GetComponent<UnityTransport>().SetRelayServerData(new RelayServerData(allocation, "dtls"));

        string joinCode = await RelayService.Instance.GetJoinCodeAsync(allocation.AllocationId);

        return NetworkManager.Singleton.StartHost() ? joinCode : null;
    }

Though, StartHost() always returns a NullReferenceException. I'm new to Unity so I'm not exactly sure how to fix it.

https://pastebin.com/EkdUgYte (Error)

And I'm using these tutorials if it matters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXsmhMMH9h4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEm-LWPlMz8&t

[sharp axle]

I would switch to the Multiplayer Services SDK

[slate fog]

my bad i forgot i changed yesterday

i was on unity 2022

and updated to unity 6

same project im working on now

i forgot they changed the name

but yeah im using multiplayer services rn

(I think)

i downloaded the multiplayer services package, but I didn't change this stuff. am i supposed to import different stuff here now in unity 6

[sharp axle]

https://docs.unity.com/ugs/en-us/manual/mps-sdk/manual/migration-path

[slate fog]

ty

[slate fog]

I'm trying to update my namespace imports from

using Unity.Services.Lobbies;
using Unity.Services.Lobbies.Models;

but I cannot figure out what to update them to that keeps the same functionalities. Do you know what namespace im suppsoed to use?

[sharp axle]

Unity.Services.Multiplayer

[slate fog]

i've tried that, but it doesn't work

and i have it installed

nvm reopening vscode fixed that part

butttttt

this issue where things such as this, which previously worked fine with lobbies, is happening

i now added Unity.Services.Multiplayer

but for some reason its dulled out

and nothing is using it

such as this, it isn't recognizing unity.services.multiplayer, so idk if I'm doing smth wrong

[tight rapids]

is what you're looking for Unity.Services.Multiplay?

[tight rapids]

Hello guys, currently trying to figure out how to get one of my servers to go from available to allocated. Currently everything works with the test allocation so tryna get this done through code but I've been hit with a wall.

An allocation is only returned in the api response json if a server is already allocated,
and to queue an allocation requires it's id in the api request body

so how does one acquire the allocationid in the first place

[feral siren]

I hadn't really thought about it like that, it makes sense, but I still need to ask the clients to run the animation, it's still going to involve some kind of animation mechanism on the network, right?

[feral siren]

yep, that's the point, so sad... I'm using entities 😕

[feral siren]

Thanks anyways for your support and time mate 🙂

[feral siren]

I've seen that package and it seems to be amazing, however I cannot afford it at this moment. I'm researching and playing around with Netcode for Entities and doesn't make sense to buy a package just for that. I mean, the package is awesome, but it is not worth it for me atm.

I'd like to hear your opinion guys, I'd like to create a game samurai warriors like (I can leave a link below for those who don't know the game) but multiplayer, about 4 - 6 players in a room, hundreds of enemies and a couple of bosses. I'm trying to use Netcode for Entities and Unity ECS for it, but I'm struggling with the animations. Do you have any other suggestions for a better Unity Network for a game like this? Maybe Mirror, Photon... I'm not using Netcode for GameObjects because Unity said it's not a good solution for competitive games and to handle several network objects.

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[torn lance]

Need a bit of a sanity check on Networking for Gameobjects order of RPC calls--

I know that RPC order is not guaranteed between different network objects, but is the execution order guaranteed between different networkbehaviours on the same network object? Or is it determined by the script execution order?

[sharp axle]

You should be using the matchmaker to allocate a server.

[sharp axle]

Honestly, I would stick with netcode for gameobjects. You'll end up losing most of the benefits of dots having to deal with gameobject animations. Unless you really really need client prediction and roll back netcode. You'll need to get a bit creative with your enemy management but it's doable.

[sharp axle]

As far as I know, RPCs on the same object will get executed in the order they were received.

[torn lance]

Thank you, I'll go on that for now then. I had the same impression but I haven't seen it stated anywhere explicitly.

[feral siren]

Thanks for your answer and indeed, I'm thinking the same, I'll try another approach here before abandoning DOTS. Maybe in the near future Unity will release better features for DOTS.

[sharp axle]

DOTS animation is a ways off. Unity 7 timeframe

[torn lance]

luckily very few games use animations, so it doesn't cause many problems

[feral siren]

😂 that's exactly what I thought. Animations is one of the most important and used part of a game and they don't have an out of the box solution 🫠

[slate fog]

No that's something seperate

[slate fog]

Anyone know what's happening?

[tame slate]

If you're wanting to use Lobby directly, I'm pretty sure it is still accessed through

using Unity.Services.Lobbies;

even when using the Multiplayer Services package

If you're wanting to use the new Sessions (which encapsulates Lobby/Relay/NGO) that is under Unity.Services.Multiplayer

Actually that might be inaccurate - I think if you're wanting to use Lobby directly, you have to stick with the standalone Lobby Package and not have Multiplayer Services installed. If you're wanting to use Multiplayer Services, I believe your Lobby code has to be migrated to use the new Sessions.

[sharp axle]

You should still be able to use Lobbies directly.

[slate fog]

Oh i thought I wasnt supposed to do that

Then what's Using Unity.Services.Multiplayer for?

[sharp axle]

Lobbies are still part of Unity.Services.Multiplayer

[arctic iris]

Hey guys i have a quick question.

Is Cloud Code necessary with Cloud Save if i want to make sure the players don't manipulate there data on Cloud Save?

[sharp axle]

Do you mean Cloud Code?

[rough lion]

Hey, its probably me that messed somethig up, but for some reasons it seems like the InputField.onValueChanged.RemoveListener doesn't seem to remove the function and still gets called after the NetworkSpawn. Wich is weird because the SetPlayerColor does indeed get removed (they are added in Awake). Could someone help ? I've looked everywhere and this literally the only time SetPlayerName is used so I did not add it later by mistake

Really sorry if I bothered anyone, found my mistake. I added the function to the event by the editor and forgot to remove it 😅.

[arctic iris]

yes sorry i meant cloud code

[sharp axle]

It's useful for anti cheat but not necessary. You can do the same through a dedicated server if you want

[hollow pelican]

I am trying to use unitywebrequest.post with the following json data:

"{'{ \"model\": Scarlet,\"messages\": [{\"role\": user, \"content\": who is godzilla? } ] }'}"

the url works, but combined with the json it returns status code 400

I am using local host

 UnityWebRequest www = UnityWebRequest.Post(url, form);
 yield return www.SendWebRequest();
        Debug.Log("Status Code: " + www.responseCode);
 if (www.isNetworkError)
        {
            Debug.LogError(string.Format("{0}: {1}", www.url, www.error));
}
 else
        {
            Debug.Log(string.Format("Response: {0}", www.downloadHandler.text));
}
}

[arctic iris]

currently i am using NGO, Lobby, Relay & Cloud Save

but the Server/Host is not running when in the main menu. that's where in the script i give player gems and save it on the cloud using Cloud Save.

my question is should i be concerned having that in a script which is running locally and not on the server or is that not a big deal as its not easy to manipulate a script?

[tame slate]

If the client is writing to Cloud Save locally, it is entirely possible for them to manipulate things.

[slate fog]

Yes but using the import statement unity.services.multiplayer doesn't recognize the lobby terminology

[tame slate]

#archived-networking message

I'm pretty sure this is the case.

Whether or not you can access Lobby directly through the Multiplayer Services package - I don't know for sure.

But either way Lobby related code is accessed through Unity.Services.Lobbies.

[tacit edge]

Hi Guys with NGO ive sucessfully got my Client Authed Player to smoothly follow a SeverAuthed SteeringWheel Object with transform movement Using lateUpdate(I Believe this is because lateupdate contains the Interpolated transform values) Im trying make my players velocity match the velocity of the server authed object now, Im doing this by saving the Velocity on server to a networkVar and getting clients to match it, this works great for local(Singleplayer) But doesnt work very well as a client on a dedicated server, Does anyone know why? im confused as to how im able to accurately match the position of a server authed object but not the velocity.

This below is an visual example of the issue, Player is slowly sliding off when not using steering wheel and using velocity matching (As a client on a dedicated Server)

And this shows it working correctly where the player is not sliding off (On local/SinglePlayer)

[sharp axle]

You can the Lobbies namespace is wrapped in the Multiplayer Services package

[sharp axle]

You would Cloud Code for validation of the save data

[arctic iris]

understood, now my final concern is using all the services a good idea for an indie dev knowing that the android game might not earn enough to help with the costs along with cloud code since in this case it is necessary and of high importance...

[sharp axle]

You are very unlikely to go beyond the free tiers of UGS. If you do then the game should be paying for itself at that point
https://unity.com/products/gaming-services/pricing

But that is a value call that only you can make

[arctic iris]

yeah i did go through the pricing, maybe i am not understanding it right but i am hesitant.
Like what does Invocations Compute hours & Egress mean

I'm going to research more so i understand these in depth.

[arctic iris]

Ok well I'm implementing Cloud Code 😄

[sharp axle]

Invocations are individual calls from the clients for a cloud code function
Compute hours are the amount of time those functions take to actually run
Egress is the amount of data sent from the cloud function back to the clients

[hearty hamlet]

i have this simple serverrpc to sync player movement with the server and a networktransform on the player, but with this setup the client cannot move

im new to networking so i thought this would sync because the serverrpc sends the movement to the server and the networktransform distributes this data among all clients

here is my network transform attached to the player prefab

[tame slate]

Might need to add RequireOwnership = false to the RPC attribute.

[ServerRpc(RequireOwnership = false)]

[hearty hamlet]

i tried it, it didn't work

i was thinking maybe its because the networktransform is also syncing to the original client

so the serverrpc keeps sending its original position which is sent back

[tame slate]

is the server receiving the RPC? Does the server move the object?

[hearty hamlet]

the serverrpc is inside Update, the player movement script is a basic one

im taking the position and sending it to the server

[hearty hamlet]

it was working before when i used a clientRpc to update the position across clients

[tame slate]

i have this simple serverrpc to sync

[tacit edge]

Anyone got any experience with velocity matching a player to an object, In a multiplayer setting where player is controlled by client & Object is controlled by server?

[sharp axle]

Is this for a moving platform?

[tacit edge]

Yeah for moving platform

[sharp axle]

check out this sample. it uses parenting
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/com.unity.netcode.gameobjects/tree/develop-2.0.0/Examples/CharacterControllerMovingBodies

[potent falcon]

hello yall ive ran into a problem with my first ever multiplayer game! i am working on the health and shooting system using photon PUN and everything is working great except that when i shoot another player his health updates but the text before stays there and my health also updates like on the picture but when i kill him my health goes back to 100 health script: ```cs
using System.Collections;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using UnityEngine;
using Photon.Pun;
using TMPro;

public class HealthManager : MonoBehaviour
{
public int health;

[Header("UI")]
public TextMeshProUGUI healthText;

[PunRPC]
public void TakeDamage(int _damage)
{
    health -= _damage;

    healthText.text = health.ToString();

    if (health <= 0)
    {
        Destroy(gameObject);
    }
}

}´´´

[tacit edge]

Thanks i will take a look however im not sure parenting is viable in our usecase and im also using rb movement, Im just wondering is it possible to get an accurate velocity which my player can follow which matches the interpolated positions of my platforms, it seems that saving the velocity to a network var & setting clients velocity to this doesnt work very well.

[sharp axle]

You'll run into lag issues trying to match the velocity. The other option is to attach the player to the platform with a physics joint

[tacit edge]

But then this disables movement right? i want my player to move freely on this object with its own rb movement + the rb movement of the object below it

[sharp axle]

you can move the physics joint like it was the player

[tacit edge]

Im unsure what you mean by move the Joint, How can i move the joint?

[sharp axle]

by attaching a joint to an empty gameobject. that object can be a child of the platform. moving it in local space will drag the player along

[tacit edge]

Okay this in an interesting concept, I will have to make the empty child Game-object IsKinimatic to avoid it falling away from the platform. This means that i wont be able to move my player as its fixed to a Rb which is Kinimatic, Unless i move the Child object with transform movement?

[sharp axle]

Right, you would move the child object instead of the player.

[tacit edge]

But the child is now IsKinimatic so must be moved using Transform based movement?

[sharp axle]

You can do rigid body.MovePosition(), but you won't be able to Add force()

[tacit edge]

This could potentially work, however it would probably allow for some strange circumstances with collisions, as the child object would be able to move around however, yet my player would collide with objects, Which leads me to think that i might as well just use transform movement in that case anyway.

[sharp axle]

I was also just reminded of this way of using fixed joints build into NetworkRigidbody with this you can change the fixed joint anchor point instead of using a child object

[hazy hollow]

the debug messages arent even spawning

[hearty dock]

Put a Debug.log in Start to make sure Start is even running

After that - make sure you understand this: https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/advanced-topics/messaging-system/

Note that the Server RPC is only going to run on the server

Which means:

• there needs to be a server
• There needs to be an active network connection
  etc

[hazy hollow]

start debug works and Im just starting out on spawning it on the server, not running another instance atm, but its not even spawning in the main project

the script is inhereting the networkingbehaviour

[hearty dock]

Are you sure the running instance is a server

What's your network topology

[hazy hollow]

got it, I moved it to update and they spawn now. The tut runs the instance first then chooses to start client/host/server. So because start() is immediate, it didnt spawn. Guess I can make an event ?

also wdym network topology

[hearty dock]

https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/terms-concepts/network-topologies/

[hearty dock]

yeah so it was running before you actually had a network session going

[hazy hollow]

ah , its hosted by the client

in this case, if I do "start as host", that instance will be a hybrid of client/server right? So the rpc should still work ? Just trying to understand the difference between start as host and start as server

[hearty dock]

Yes it will be both the server and a client

Server RPCs just run locally on the server when called from the server

like a normal function

The page about RPCs I linked you above explains this all

[hazy hollow]

ty

[sharp axle]

Right, Start() runs before the network is connected. RPCs should be called in OnNetworkSpawn() or after.

[torn lance]

for persistent RPC targets, it says I need to call Dispose() on them, but doesn't have an example. Is this what it means? myRpcParams.Send.Target.Dispose(); There isn't any dispose method for the params object.

[sharp axle]

You would dispose of the native collection you are using for the target group.

[torn lance]

Ah, so it would be the same collection I pass into RpcTarget.Group(<this needs disposing>, Persistent)?

[sharp axle]

Exactly

[torn lance]

Appreciate it as always

[tacit edge]

Sure but how would collisions work, if I am moving the fixed joint object/anchor point this could drag the player (NotKinimatic) into colliders.

[sharp axle]

Yea. collisions would still happen. joints have a break force so the player would unattach from the platform if pushed too hard

[tacit edge]

Hmm yeah but the player would still be on the platform, so the connection would still be needed for future movement and breaking is not desirable.

[sharp axle]

Yea. I would use OnCollisionEnter() with the platform to reset the joint

[torpid stirrup]

I made an online game with NGO and it shows me a lot of null reference errors. And this error only happens in Android and is not a problem in Unity!
With Android Logcat, I found out that the error is in the Unity NetworkManager script and from this part. Can anyone help me, what is the cause of this error? Thank you.

[wild cypress]

I'm instantiating objects in a card game one each client and right now they do not have network object attached. When they play the card I want to instantiate/spawn the card for the opposing player. Should I be using network object to declare spawn or is there a way to do it without having a network object attached?

[tame slate]

Send which card is being played via a NetworkVariable or RPC. Have the receiving client look up which GameObject to spawn based on which card was sent.

You could use an ID for the card like an integer or an Enum.

[wild cypress]

I have a follow up question to that, how sould I go about instantiating the gameobject once the information is passed? I'm just not sure which rpc to use to get just the opposing client to receive code.

[tame slate]

You're just sending an RPC/setting a NetworkVariable with the card ID or card type. Once the opposing client has received that ID/Type, they can use it to find a match in a list/array of card prefabs. From there you can just instantiate it normally.

Custom RPC targets can be read about here if none of the basic targets work for you: https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/advanced-topics/message-system/rpc/#custom-targets

[wild cypress]

thank you

[dusk ledge]

So i am making a unity 3d fps multiplayer game with photon fusion and i have stumbled upon a problem where the other players can not hear your footsteps, i have tried using photon [Rpc(RpcSources.All, RpcTargets.All)] but this did not work. Anyone that can help?

[tame slate]

Footsteps don't really need to be networked usually. If other player's movement and animations are already syncing properly, just play the audio based off of that.

[sharp axle]

Yea, animation events will fire locally

[tawny mesa]

hi how come im getting the error:
SocketException: No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it.
when trying to connect to a server on the same pc, 127.0.0.1, and debug logging the attempted server to connect to, and the server itselves ip and port, it shows the same numbers (127.0.0.1, and port 7777)

im trying to just check if a server exists. everything i see online uses onfailedconnect which is called, but i wanna call a function and return a value based on if it connected or not

[sharp axle]

Active refusal is usually a firewall thing. But connecting to localhost shouldn't trigger that. You can't really check if a server exists, all you can do is wait for the connection attempt to timeout. So use OnFailedConnect to call your function

[tawny mesa]

so how would i test a connection attempt to check if it exits? i wanna have a start host button in my game but not let it work if the ip and port are already in use

[sharp axle]

You can't know if it's already in use until you try it. I suppose you could Ping it. But StartHost will return false if it fail to start.

[tawny mesa]

will it just fail to start if it's already in use?

[sharp axle]

You should get a Failed to Bind exception on the host. StartClient would still return true but will timeout.

[tawny mesa]

 if (NetworkManager.Singleton.StartClient())```
returns true even if there's no server?

ah nvm you said that

how do i know if it's timed out then or wait for a timeout

or only continue the code when / if it succeeds to connect?

[sharp axle]

There is a Network Transport OnTransportEvent that will return either a disconnect or TransportFailure event when it times out

[bitter rune]

Hey, I am invoking an event whenever the player right clicks and wants to move a unit. I subscribe to this event on my visuals controller so that a visual effect is being spawned at the clicked location. However, subscribing to this event never actually triggers and therefore does not happen. What am I missing? I noticed, that it works sometimes in rare cases and very randomly. I assume it has something to do with the order things happen or maybe with OnNetworkSpawn?

the visual controller (attached to every unit object in the scene):

using UnityEngine;

public class UnitSelectionVisualController : NetworkBehaviour {

    [SerializeField] private GameObject moveParticleEffectPrefab;
    private UnitController unitController;

    private void Start() {
        unitController = GetComponent<UnitController>();
        if (unitController == null) {
            Debug.LogError("UnitController not found on " + gameObject.name);
        }
    }

    public override void OnNetworkSpawn() {
        if (unitController != null) {            
            unitController.OnWaypointSet += UnitController_OnWaypointSet;
            Debug.Log("subscribed to OnWaypointSet!");
        }
    }

    private void UnitController_OnWaypointSet(object sender, UnitController.OnWaypointSetEventArgs e) {
        PlayMoveEffect(e.destination);
    }

    private void PlayMoveEffect(Vector3 position) {
        if (moveParticleEffectPrefab != null) {
            GameObject effect = Instantiate(moveParticleEffectPrefab, position, Quaternion.identity);
        }
    }
}```

the event invoke logic:

    public event EventHandler<OnWaypointSetEventArgs> OnWaypointSet;

    public class OnWaypointSetEventArgs : EventArgs {
        public Vector3 destination;
    }

    private void SetDestination(Vector3 destination) {
        if (playerNavMeshAgent.isOnNavMesh) {
            playerNavMeshAgent.SetDestination(destination);
            OnWaypointSet?.Invoke(this, new OnWaypointSetEventArgs { destination = destination });
            Debug.Log("Invoked OnWaypointSet event!");
        }
    }```

[sharp axle]

None of this code is networked but it should work locally. As long as SetDestination() is actually getting called somewhere.

[fathom bison]

Hi,
I'm struggling to set up a working NetworkObject with a NetworkRigidbody properly.
When the client tries to move the object, it completely glitches out, starts shaking and refuses to move. The cube is being moved by setting its linear velocity, so I can not make it kinematic and just sync its position.

Is there something I don't understand what don't I understand with the way Netcode works ?

[sharp axle]

Are you using Network Transform with Owner Authority set?

[fathom bison]

Yes

[sharp axle]

Are you making sure that only the object owner is setting the velocity?

[fathom bison]

I think it's the case, but how could I check that?

[sharp axle]

Check for if(IsOwner) in the network behavior that is setting the object's velocity

[bitter rune]

That was the issue, SetDestination was never actually called because I had gated it with a „if (!isOwner){ return } „
Thanks!

[tame star]

i am developing an multiplayer for my game right now, using Unity Netcode for Game Objects and it uses "Lobbies" for it as far as i went, and i like how it works but i feel like i missing something, because i want to create permanent servers as those in battlefield and Netcode uses a lil too specific naming, lobby as i imagine it, is a temporary server for couple of friends. So is it ok to use it for hosting a game similar to battlebit for example? Sorry if stupid question, i am begginer

[sharp axle]

Actually, Lobbies are not servers at all. You can use them to group up players before connecting to the game server. It sounds like you want dedicated servers. That can be done through the Multiplay Service or by hosting on cloud service like Amazon's

[tame star]

For more clarity i am following a multiplayer course by code monkey now, and there is an free option for relay and everything in Unity Gaming Services so i thong that i could set one machine as host, without graphics, just bare logic calculator, on my own for now. Isn't it server enough? Thank you anyway

[tame slate]

You will hit a limit with Relay at some point. Where that limit falls is entirely based on your game and how it is coded to be networked. To use your example of Battle Bit, they use dedicated servers that support up to 254 players. Unity Relay has a hard limit of 100 players and you may run in to performance issues well before that number depending on how your game is built.

[tame star]

Oh okay, than can i use some external hosting while still using Netcode for Game Objects as multiplayer utility?

[tame slate]

@tame star Yes. Common server hosting options were listed here. Multiplay is Unity's solution.

[tame star]

Thank you very much

[sharp axle]

If your game is turned based the you could also do a serverless architecture with Unity Cloud Code, Amazon lambda, or Azure Cloud Functions

[tame star]

it is shooter actually and i am aiming for at least 16vs16, so it is not an option

can i use unity relay for testing and developing now and transfer later to more powerful host without much issues, in that matter?

[sharp axle]

There is a whole guide on it
https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/tools/current/porting-to-dgs/

[tame star]

Omg thanks

[tawny mesa]

hi i've got this code

void Awake()
{
    if (Instance != null && Instance != this)
    {
        Debug.LogError("More than one player spawner exists!");
        Destroy(this);
    }
    else
    {
        Instance = this;
        DontDestroyOnLoad(this);
    }

}```
for a singleton, yet when i start a client it destroys the objects? but it doesn't when i start a host? and the debug.logerror never fires either which is the only place i have destroy

i start a client then load a new scene too, if that changes anything

[tame slate]

This is for a NetworkObject?

[tawny mesa]

yes

[sharp axle]

I try to avoid Singletons. But I would move this to OnNetworkSpawn instead of Awake.

[tawny mesa]

how come i can't get that function ?

how do i run code on onnetworkspawn?

[sharp axle]

It's an override. Make sure this is in a network behavior

[tawny mesa]

ok so that broke everything.. it doesn't even seem to be running this code

public override void OnNetworkSpawn()
{
    base.OnNetworkSpawn();

    if (Instance != null && Instance != this)
    {
        Debug.LogError("More than one player spawner exists!");
        Destroy(this);
    }
    else
    {
        Instance = this;
        DontDestroyOnLoad(this);
        Debug.Log("Singleton for " + this.name + " set");
    }

}```

none of the debug logs are running in the client

i just get this a bunch

Debug.Log("Loading scene");
NetworkManager.Singleton.Shutdown();
unityTransport.ConnectionData.Address = ipAddress.text;
unityTransport.ConnectionData.Port = ushort.Parse(port.text);
NetworkManager.Singleton.StartClient();```
this is the code that starts the client on a button press

[tame slate]

If this a NetworkObject, you can't do Singleton logic like this on it anyway. Clients can't destroy NetworkObjects.

[tawny mesa]

ok so if i remove the destroy then, but what about the rest of it? it shouldn't be destroying anything anyway as i only have one in the scene

nor does the error that more than one exists ever show

does the network object get spawned before it connects to a server successfully?

or after it connects to a server

aka does onnetworkspawn fire when the object is spawned / on game load in this case, or when a server is connected to

[sharp axle]

Yes. this is why I avoid singletons. scene objects get respawned when the scene loads

[tawny mesa]

ok so.. how can i get data from the server about a different scene

[sharp axle]

You can use Dont destroy on load. just do't make it a static instance

You can also use scriptable objects to persist data across scenes

[pulsar gorge]

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/multiplayer-community-contributions/tree/main/Transports/com.community.netcode.transport.steamnetworkingsockets
using steamworks.net and this layer for netcode, when starting a client once joining a lobby my game freezes and no errors are displayed. How do I fix?

[lilac forge]

[System.Serializable]
public class Character
{
public string characterName;
public Sprite characterSprite;
public GameObject ballCharacterPrefab;
public GameObject characterPrefab;
public GameObject podiumPrefab;
}

hello how can I make this serializable? right now I get Unity.Netcode.Editor.CodeGen.NetworkBehaviourILPP: (0,0): error - Character: Managed type in NetworkVariable must implement IEquatable<Character> issue

[tame slate]

You should use an ID for the sprites and prefabs like an integer or an Enum. Clients can use that ID to look up sprites, prefabs, etc.

[lilac forge]

public class GamePlayer : NetworkBehaviour
{
//private Character playerCharacter;
private NetworkVariable<Character> playerCharacter = new NetworkVariable<Character>();
private NetworkVariable<Character> hoveredCharacter = new NetworkVariable<Character>();
private int playerNumber;
private int playerHealth;
private bool isCPU = true;
private int userNumber;
private int roundWins;
private bool isReady;
private MainManager.Difficulty playerDifficulty;

public void ReplacePodium(int podiumId, int characterIndex)
{
foreach (GameObject podium in podiums)
{
if (podium.GetComponent<Podium>().PodiumID == podiumId)
{
GameObject replacedPodium = Instantiate(MainManager.Instance.characterDB.GetCharacter(characterIndex).podiumPrefab, podiumPos[podiumId], emptyPodium.transform.rotation);
GamePlayer player = MainManager.Instance.GetPlayer((int)NetworkManager.LocalClientId);
player.HoveredCharacter = MainManager.Instance.characterDB.GetCharacter(characterIndex);
replacedPodium.GetComponent<Podium>().PodiumID = podiumId;
podiums.Add(replacedPodium);
replacedPodium.GetComponent<NetworkObject>().Spawn();
podiums.Remove(podium);
Destroy(podium);
}
}
}

that was my script

it was working well until I struggled with network variables

I have a character database, I get chars from there

with index

[tame slate]

Also if each client knows this information beforehand, there's not much reason to network it.

Which is usually the case with Sprites/Prefabs

[lilac forge]

okay so I Initialize 4 player classes at the start

these player classes have character variable

I just want to make players change their player classes itself

like player.PlayerCharacter = chosenCharacter

so instead of that do I need to make it like player.PlayerCharacterIndex?

[tame slate]

Yes, that would probably be the way to go about it.

Network the chosen character as an ID or index and then let each client update visuals and whatever else on their own based on that ID/index.

[lilac forge]

okay but how can I update player classes on all clients?

like I want player2 updated when second player picks

on all clietns

[tame slate]

Use a NetworkVariable for the ID/Index and then use OnValueChanged to update whatever you need.

[lilac forge]

private void InitializePlayers()
{
players = new GamePlayer[4];
for (int i = 0; i < players.Length; i++)
{
players[i] = new GamePlayer(i); // Assuming Player constructor takes a player number
}
}

okay ty

[tawny mesa]

why does

NetworkManager.Singleton.OnClientConnectedCallback += OnClientConnect; (in start) 
private void OnClientConnect(ulong clientID) 
{ 
  Debug.Log(IsClient); 
}

return false?

doesonclientconnectedcallback not call when a client has connected to a server?

what does?

[tame slate]

It calls on the server when any client connects and it calls on clients when the local client connects to a server. So if you're running a server-only (not a host) instance and a client connects, that will return false.

If it's always returning false, it's probably just too early in the network cycle to accurately return the proper value. If you check it at any later point, it should be correct.

I've seen a handful of bugs with OnClientConnectedCallback as well. It is recommended to use OnConnectionEvent as OnClientConnectCallback and OnClientDisconnectCallback will be deprecated at some point.

[tawny mesa]

how do i compare the connectioneventdata passed into onconnectionevent to a connectionevent? i.e how do do i check if the value passed == clientconnected? which i assume would mean the client has connected to a server / host

[tame slate]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.netcode.gameobjects@1.12/api/Unity.Netcode.ConnectionEvent.html

[tawny mesa]

private void OnClientConnect(NetworkManager manager, ConnectionEventData data)
{
    if (data.EventType == ConnectionEvent.ClientConnected)
    {
        Debug.Log(IsClient);
    }
}```
now this is still showing false.. using onconnectionevent

[tame slate]

Then something else is up. What script is this running in?

[tawny mesa]

it's running in a dontdestroyonload networkbehaviour object, and in the code a new scene is loaded. a client and host are started in the game itself at runtime, and i want the new scene to load when it detects the client as being connected to a server

unity 6 if that helps, netcode

[tame slate]

The NetworkManager's SceneManager auto syncs scenes on join IIRC, if that works for what you're trying to do.

[tawny mesa]

yeah, i disabled that though as i wanna manually join the scene and make sure everything loads in order n stuff

ok, i enabled it for testing, and it doesn't load the same scene when i run startclient

[tame slate]

Right. Well again, I’m not really sure why IsClient isn’t coming up as true. You could just check for if you’re not in the scene you’re wanting to load, since the server/host is already in that scene.

[tawny mesa]

also, this debug.log i put runs now

private void OnTransportevent(Unity.Netcode.NetworkEvent eventType, ulong clientId, ArraySegment<byte> payload, float receiveTime)
{
    if(eventType == NetworkEvent.Disconnect || eventType == NetworkEvent.TransportFailure)
    {
        NetworkManager.Singleton.Shutdown();
        Debug.Log("Client disconnected (is there a server on the ip and port?)");
    }
}```

im right in saying 127.0.0.1 is the local ip right?

ok yeah debuglogging the ip and port on the client and the host have the same numbers

[tawny mesa]

yeah, startclient in the code just isn't running

NetworkManager.Singleton.StartClient();

it's not connecting to the server

i think i fixed it, but now running my rpc gives a "the given key was not present in the dictionary" error

i have an rpc running set to sendto server onsceneload, yet on the server it runs 8112 times, and the client gives a given key not present error

why does onsceneload fire 8112 times???

[mossy bluff]

anyone have problem with network objects? when i click on one in the hierarchy it seems to do loads of stuff over and over and its difficult to even click off it

using netcode..

[mossy bluff]

also does networking disable the "step to next frame" button? not been able to use that in ages

[full perch]

Hello, does anyone know a good method to archieve multiplayer damage by teams?
Been looking for tutorials on YT but all I seem to find is basic offline damageable behaviours

[sharp axle]

Sounds like it's getting called in update.

[sharp axle]

Never heard that one before. Netcode doesn't effect the editor at all. Unless you have some odd custom inspectors

[sharp axle]

Easiest way would be to a Team network variable that you can check before applying damage

[mossy bluff]

i think its something to do with that setting where it can auto add network obj script

[sharp axle]

That shouldn't be doing anything if it already has a network object component

[mossy bluff]

yeh!

[mint anvil]

this may be a dumb question but, i want to have a few default items in the inventory (items are int/id's in an int network list), but it's not possible to do that with a network list directly, right? (to set the network list default content in the inspector) i have to first instantiate the list and add in the content in start from another list manually?

[tame slate]

Correct

[sharp axle]

You could use a regular List for the inspector the initialize the NetworkVariable<List<int>> with that first list

[meager lynx]

Hey guys, I'm currently setting up UGS Multiplay, I've set the minimum available servers (in fleet->scaling settings) to 0, but I'm not quite sure how the machine's supposed to start up (because it isn't, even though there's an active matchmaker ticket)

(Everything works fine when I set the min available servers to 1 or more though)

Nevermind

Looks like the machine just took ages to load up

[tawny mesa]

why is my rpc not loading at all? it shows KeyNotFoundException.. the rpc is in the same file that the rpc is being ran from,
rpc:

[Rpc(SendTo.Server)] 
public void RequestServerMapRpc() 
{
    //Debug.Log("sdfljhkbndrsfgsgfdsdgtf ");
    Debug.Log(IsServer + "sdrfg");
    if (IsServer)
    {
        SendMapToClientRpc(map);
    }
}```
running requestservermaprpc causes the keynotfoundexception. even if i comment the code and have it only be a debug log it still gives an error?

how can it not find the rpc but it's able to run the code that runs the rpc, which is on the same script

running the rpc on a host works fine, the client fails though

[sharp axle]

Are you destroying or disabling the component on the client?

[tawny mesa]

i can see the component the entire time in the inspector that runs the script

and there is nothing setting it to active or destroyed ever in my code at all

it's set to a dontdestroyonload

[sharp axle]

You need to make sure that its getting spawned on the client. Make sure that its not moving to DDOL in Start() or Awake(). It should be in OnNetworkSapwn()

[tawny mesa]

onnetworkspawn never runs and it ends up deleted when the scene changes ?

[tawny mesa]

but, it does on the host?

[wild cypress]

I’m having a hard time with the concept of multiplayer rpcs. The game I’m working on is a two player card game. Right now I have client authoritative deck creation and dealing. When I was moving it to server authoritative I got stuck on the step of instantiating the decks with instantiate then spawn. now I needed to pass all the information to the client within an rpc(I think) or find a way to get card info stored on a separate matchmaking scene. My biggest issue is that I still don’t understand how get both players to function with separate decks. Or am I supposed to just 180 the board at scene start? Please let me know how you would do it.

[tawny mesa]

but now, on a different script a network object on the host shows "spawn" and on the client it doesn't ?

this is one that's loaded by loading into a scene

[sharp axle]

Are you using Network Manager Scene Manager to switch scenes?

[sharp axle]

If your decks are a list of card ids, then you can use a NetworkList

[tawny mesa]

"enable scene management" yes, that is the only thing on the client i have to load scenes, other than an rpc that is sent to the server to tell it to load the scene (which loads fine)

[sharp axle]

Are you calling NetworkManager.SceneManager.LoadScene() from the host?

[wild cypress]

Unfortunately I’m using a struct that serializes scriptable objects. The ambition of this game is to use player made cards so I need to keep the list of cards dynamic (I think anyways)

[sharp axle]

You shouldn't use SOs for dynamic data, but as long as its serialized then it can still use NetworkList or NetworkVariable<List<>>

[tawny mesa]

rpc not properly working

[elfin token]

Hey guys, I have a chair<network object> inside of a vehicle<network object> that is supposed to allow passengers to ride with each other. Everything works great until the vehicle despawns. The chairs do not despawn with the vehicle. They simply stay active. Is there a solution to this behavior?

[sharp axle]

You might need to use OnNetworkObjectParentChanged or in the OnNetworkDespawn() of the vehicle, loop through all the children to despawn them as well.

[elfin token]

@sharp axle I will give that a shot after you get off work

[elfin token]

@sharp axleNot quite what I'm looking for. I just want the child network objects to deactivate with the parent.

[tame slate]

in the OnNetworkDespawn() of the vehicle, loop through all the children to despawn them as well.

this doesn't work for you?

[elfin token]

@tame slate Haven't tried that yet, currently building a cleaner work around. The chair is messy lol

[lilac forge]

hello I have a problem

I have a mainmanager and I initialize several player classes inside at the start.

private NetworkVariable<int> hoveredCharacterIndex = new NetworkVariable<int>();
private NetworkVariable<int> playerCharacterIndex = new NetworkVariable<int>();
these players have that values. How can I sync them with other clients?

private void InitializePlayers()
{
// Create 4 players without using prefabs
for (int i = 0; i < 4; i++)
{
GamePlayer player = new GamePlayer(i);
players.Add(player);
}
}

I initialize here

public class MainManager : MonoBehaviour
{
private List<GamePlayer> players = new List<GamePlayer>();

do I need make mainmanager also network object?

[sharp axle]

Network Variables are already synced to all clients. If gamePlayer implemented iNetworkSerialiable, then you can make Players a NetworkList. MainManage would need to be a network behavior in that case

[proud sky]

Hello everyone, I would like some help in trying to make a VR multiplayer game using Netcode but i am stuck since the materials that i am using from unity are working well for third person player and now i am trying to implement it in VR.

[sharp axle]

Check out the VR Multiplayer Template to see how they did it

[mint anvil]

what do you mean by that? (rn i add all content from a second list into the network list in Start() if you mean that)

[sharp axle]

Yea, that's what I meant

[mint anvil]

ah yeah that's what i was trying to avoid but nevermind

[tame slate]

Are the default items consumable or removeable?

Or do they stay in the inventory the whole time from the moment they're added

[mint anvil]

i mean it's an inventory so obv you can remove and add stuff (so no)

[tame slate]

Some items in an inventory can be persistent. That's why I asked.

[olive whale]

How can I make a network leaderboard for my game? The game will be for IOS. Unity6.

[tame slate]

Leaderboard is a package that's a part of UGS.

[sharp axle]

https://docs.unity.com/ugs/en-us/manual/leaderboards/manual/leaderboards

[olive whale]

Thanks a lot

[lilac forge]

public void InitializePlayers()
{
if (IsServer)
{
for (int i = 0; i < 4; i++)
{
Debug.Log("Instantiating player " + i);
// Instantiate the player prefab
GameObject playerObject = Instantiate(playerPrefab);
playerObject.name = "Player " + i;
NetworkObject networkObject = playerObject.GetComponent<NetworkObject>();
players[i] = playerObject.GetComponent<GamePlayer>();
players[i].PlayerNumber = i;
networkObject.Spawn();
}
}
}

it doesnt spawn prefab for other clients anyone know why? Yes my prefab has network object component

public override void OnNetworkSpawn()
{
    base.OnNetworkSpawn();
    if (Instance != null)
    {
        Destroy(gameObject);
        return;
    }

    Instance = this;
    // Initialize players
    InitializePlayers();
    DontDestroyOnLoad(gameObject);

    for (int i = 0; i < characterDB.CharacterCount; i++)
    {
        Debug.Log("works");
        availableCharacters.Add(characterDB.GetCharacter(i));
    }
}

[sharp axle]

If this is on a scene object, then it will only run once on the server. only the host like going to be connected then

[lilac forge]

its on mainmanager

singleton instance

it has networkbehaviour too

what I need to do then

:/

[sharp axle]

wait for all clients to connect then call InitializePlayers()

[lilac forge]

but this is on character selection screen

Ive made setup with relay and unity lobbies already

later all players go to the character selection screen

cant I syncronize when other players join or something?

these player classes are basically to store information. I was doing it without gameobjects before but I reallized its hard when its networked

[sharp axle]

Sure, there are Lobby events for when players join

[lilac forge]

no no these happen after lobby

I dont allow people to pick characters on lobby because my character selection screen is pretty animated

[tame slate]

You can store the character selection however you want really. He's just making the point that you can't spawn players at a point in time at which they are not connected to the server.

I would store your character selection locally on the client, and then when they connect to the server they can send an RPC to the server to request the player object to be spawned.

[lilac forge]

how can I make that they get these player objects too?

when they enter to game example

[tame slate]

I just explained that above

[lilac forge]

ah okay so I ca njust say

if its not server

call an rpc

[sharp axle]

You can use the OnNetworkSpawn of the main manager to send an rpc to the server

[lilac forge]

okay thanks

[obsidian crest]

Hello guys. I am making an Android app that uses Google Drive. I am using this package to access Google Drive

https://github.com/elringus/unity-google-drive

It works really well in Editor, but when I try to Upload a text file to Google Drive in my Android Phone, it crashes. What should I do?

Unity 2020.3.30f1

[sharp axle]

This probably needs to be in #📱┃mobile but you'll need to check the logs to find the error

[obsidian crest]

I dont know how to look to logs error on mobile.

[tame slate]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.mobile.android-logcat@1.4/manual/install-android-logcat.html

[obsidian crest]

Thank you

[wild cypress]

How do you name an instantiated prefab on clients? I can't get the GameObject instance as a ref so I'm struggling with this concept. Right now I have the name I want being passed into the rpc for clients, but since I'm spawning so many I can't get them to work.

[sharp axle]

If they are being spawned then you can use NetworkObjectReference

[wild cypress]

doesn't that use alot of bandwidth?

Still it is looking like the only option

Thank you for the pointer

[sharp axle]

its just a wrapper for a ulong network Id

[wild cypress]

oooooo, that is good to know, I thought it was doing some type of gameobject serialization

[proud sky]

I am having trouble trying to swap the avatar in the template for a full body avatar and its not working when i test. What could i be doing wrong?

[river gazelle]

Hello again, been a while since I posted here.
I'm looking to learn how to set up my own game server, preferably C# / ASP.NET so I don't need to study a 2nd programming language.
I've build a tiny real-time game before in node.js with socket.io. I'm a mid-level developer but I don't have much experience with servers.

I think I'd prefer a mid/high level solution so I'm not re-inventing the wheel, if proper solutions exist I'd like to use those. But I do want to be able to control how the game logic works. I'd rather not have to worry about the networking too much.

Not entirely sure what kind of game I wanna make yet. Probably something for 2 players, max 10 players. Like 2 player co-op or 5v5 PvP.

Specifically I'm looking for a library that handles everything or most of the things I'll need for a small multiplayer game, with a lot of freedom to change game logic (not networking logic) and I'd prefer it to be fast, like say max 50ms latency. I would need matchmaking and lobbies, but can write those myself is necessary, again if a proper library exists for them I'd prefer using that. It also needs to be free, not looking for a service that requires me to pay per user or something.

I've been doing my own research and found some libraries that look interesting, but from experience it's always better to ask people actually working with them than just reading some articles on the internet.

[ripe mesa]

what are those libraries?

[river gazelle]

I intentionally left them out because I'm not sure they're suitable for what I need and it will bias replies.

[ripe mesa]

no, its okay

[river gazelle]

SignalR, but seems too slow.
LiteNetLib, but seems very abstract to me

Ideally I'd use a Unity service, but the cost per user just grows out of control too fast

[ripe mesa]

What PvP style is this?

what most matter here is:

• where it will be deployed
• what is gameplay looks like

[river gazelle]

What I've read the latency for SignalR would be around 100ms at a minimum, I want my game to feel smoother than that

I'm thinking a real time co-op tower defense for now, but it might change to PvP and I'd prefer to learn something I can use for more fast paced games in the future as well

Not sure where/how to deploy it, but probably a managed dedicated server somewhere?
Gameplay no idea yet, but fairly simple. Why is this important? Might be able to give a better answer if I understand.

[ripe mesa]

is it mobile, pc, console?

[river gazelle]

PC, might go mobile but not the main goal

[ripe mesa]

Mobile -> weaker connection, weaker processing power. Require the most performant library
PC -> Safe, more exposeable to cheats, require more secure library

highly competitive?

[ripe mesa]

co-op tower defense, then its not too fast paced? but then changing direction to PvP?

[river gazelle]

yeah I'm not sure what game to make yet 🙂 just a general direction I wanna go in
anti-cheat is very important to me, definitely want a competitive game

[ripe mesa]

is it fast paced?

tower defense PvP?

Im still dont getting the idea of the gameplay

[river gazelle]

not extremely fast paced, but I want the game to feel very smooth regardless, like 20-50ms preferably
it really depends on what idea I got with, if it's co-op tower defense the pace will be much slower
if it's pvp tower defense one player might be dropping units, which need to appear for the other player as fast as possible
sorta real-time strategy
but I might go with something else entirely, not sure how to explain it better

[ripe mesa]

you can try to take a look for quantum

its suitable for cross-platform, lot of entities

[main phoenix]

Hi all - using Unity.Networking.Transport and jobs... the tutorial uses Driver.Accept() in a job. I was under the impression it is not thread safe or has this changed?

[river gazelle]

But it's paid per CCU? Isn't that very cost inefficient if I would ever scale up?

I did a business plan based on UGS and the cost efficiency was terrible

Looks really good though

[ripe mesa]

yeas they are

100CCU seems small right?

[river gazelle]

not really, just worried about the cost

[ripe mesa]

oh okay, then you can upgrade your plan

quantum is cost efficient because we dont pay for servers

while in in traditional client-server, we still have to pay for dedicated servers for secure gameplay

[river gazelle]

what are it's major downsides? what games shouldn't I use it for?

[ripe mesa]

games where you want to hide some information from other players:

• card games, wallhack, fog of war

[river gazelle]

oh wauw, that's good to know

[sharp axle]

Your latency is based almost entirely on your network connection not the library used. I'm a fan of Unity Netcode. They have recently made some improvements that make developing on super steamlined

[river gazelle]

unity netcode seems more flexible too, I like that

[sharp axle]

Any of the modern libraries can more or less do whatever you need. The difference are mostly built in features(some paid for, others free)

[sterile creek]

Dont think make a concurrent copy of the driver before calling it?
Its been awhile since ive looked at the souce

[sterile creek]

all of the major unity friendly networking stacks have very very similar designs. RPC's, Network Variables, Network Transforms. They tend to share similar architectures.

[river gazelle]

which ones are those?

[sharp axle]

Photon Fusion 2, Mirror, Netcode for Gameobjects, Fishnet, Nettick. And Netcode for Entities if you are using DOTS

[tame slate]

Did you factor in the free tiers?

[sharp axle]

The only exception to the UGS free tiers is Multiplay Server Hosting which can get very expensive depending on the game

[sterile creek]

It’s the industry norm

[river gazelle]

Yeah that's why I'd rather build my own server and host it, which is much cheaper not?

[main phoenix]

That's how the tutorial does it, so makes sense I guess

[sharp axle]

Depends. you still have to host the server somewhere.

[river gazelle]

Is the main difference between Photon Fusion & Quantum just that Quantum is specifically made for Unity? Or are there any other major differences?

[ripe mesa]

fusion is state transfer,
while quantum is a deterministic engine

both are made for unity

[ripe mesa]

it shouldnt really be, quantum has provided multi-regions, lobbies, and scaling problems for you.

but maybe you can opt in industry license or something to allow self host the photon quantum server

[river gazelle]

? ofc hosting it yourself is cheaper, you're not paying a 2nd party to do it for you

might a (a lot) more work though, that I don't know

[ripe mesa]

right now quantum has 100 free ccu, which is a lot. 🙂

[river gazelle]

that is exactly the problem though
they draw you in with free tiers (like UGS does) then you lose TONS of money if your game ever gets big

[ripe mesa]

the 100 ccu plan doesnt scale automatically

it will be capped there

the player 101, will get kicked

talking from a business perspecitve, if you managed to get 100 ccu consistently, then your game is hit

[haughty berry]

what is most user friendly networking solution

[river gazelle]

define user friendly?

[ripe mesa]

what games do you want to build?

[haughty berry]

would like to make first person zombie shooter with only like 4 players in each lobby

[ripe mesa]

its like asking, whats the most user friendly game engine, but you are trying to create High FX Open world Game, and other devs answered "Godot"

[ripe mesa]

co-op game?

[haughty berry]

yeah

[ripe mesa]

PC game?

[haughty berry]

yes

[ripe mesa]

where would it be deployed? steam?

[haughty berry]

yes

[ripe mesa]

how many zombies?

[haughty berry]

not to many it doesnt need to be able to handle that much

[ripe mesa]

anything could work:

• (Client authority) Netcode for gameObject, Mirror, Fishnet
• (Rollback) Netick, Fusion
• (Deterministic) Quantum

[haughty berry]

allright thanks

[river gazelle]

What would you recommend for a fast-paced 2d adventure fantasy rpg with simple combat both PvE and PvP? Won't have a lot of monsters
Something similar to like Graal Online or Maple Story

[ripe mesa]

Is it top-down game?

[river gazelle]

probably, but might go with platform instead, not sure yet

maps will have like a max of 10-20 players

but usually less

needs to be deterministic too

think Quantum still works for this type of game?

[ripe mesa]

it is

[river gazelle]

what would the limitations of quantum be for this kind of game?

[ripe mesa]

nothing really

[river gazelle]

like max number of players/zones? something else it can't do?

[ripe mesa]

quantum can be not suitable for game with Big Maps

[river gazelle]

yeah probably not making huge maps, but maybe in cities it would be nice to have higher player counts

[ripe mesa]

the Fog of war, wallhack, interest, hiding other player information

[river gazelle]

fog of war would still work for non-cheating players right?

might do something like that for atmosphere mostly

[ripe mesa]

if player is a cheater, the fog of war doesnt matter in quantum

but if its regular player, its fine

[river gazelle]

Setting up a project with quantum now to do some testing 🙂

[warped spruce]

Hi everyone !

I have a problem with my proximity voice chat
It works and I can hear other players speak but the sound crakles and it's very annoying.

I use FizzySteamworks for the steam implementation.

Does anyone know how to fix this issue ?

[wild cypress]

What do you do if you want an RPC to return a value? I'm getting an error in steam that rpc must return void. Right now I'm sening and recieveing a networkObjectReference

[tame slate]

When calling an RPC, you're running a function on a remote client. As your call is just sending off a message somewhere else to run that function, there's no direct way to get a return value as you're not the one running the function.

If you want a "return" you'll have to ask the receiving client of the RPC to send information back to the sender.

Usually with another RPC.

[wild cypress]

gotcha thanks for the help. I'm very new to multiplayer

[sterile creek]

I would take some time to learn the multiplayer principles.
Understand that multiplayer communication is alot like me and you are sitting in an office, using an assistant to pass notes back and forth.

We both keep working, some notes get lost, and there is a delay in receiving a reply, since the assistant needs to walk the message.

Everything is just bytes (the words on the notes). RPC's are just one way of calling a direct method that gets translated down to bytes and then converted back up into a function call.

we dont know anything about eachother that wasnt in our predetermined starting knowledge.

So if you want me or anyone else to know something about the state, you have to tell us.

RPC are handy ways of sending commands back and forth that we both understand.
NetworkedVariables are convient ways for changes in them to automatically get sent over. Its all abstractions that take care of all the messy translation work to go from bytes to a specific object and value

[tame slate]

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[topaz sage]

Thank you!

[wild cypress]

I'm looking for a solution to parenting objects in a 2 player card game. Before multiplayer I was parenting cards to the deck, hand, discard, board etc. Now I'm limited to only parenting with the server, so it looks like I might have to change how I was moving cards. How would you go about moving objects in multiplayer for clients?

[sharp axle]

For a card game, I wouldn't worry about parenting. I use a list of Card Ids for decks/hands. Instantiating and moving cards in game are all done locally after moving card id from one list to another

[eternal heart]

Hi, i have a issue of smooth movement with Photon Fusion 2 Shared Mode, i dont know where i can ask my question please

[sharp axle]

You can ask here but might get a better answer in the Photon server

[dusty hill]

I want to have a list of player gameobjects in the server only that things can reference, so I made the playerprefab send an RPC that tells the GameManager to go through the SpawnedObjects list and add players it sees. The list length is correct for number of connected players, but then in the NetworkBehaviour'd enemy script I try to reference the GameManager instance and get the list, but it seems to be incorrect. Is the enemy not going to reference the server gameobject? Is there a way to make it do that?

[sharp axle]

You would need a if(IsServer) check in your Enemy script to make sure its only running on the server

[dusty hill]

That makes a lot of sense thank you

[tidal trail]

is there any example of AnticipatedNetworkVariable or AnticipatedNetworkTransform? i want to create client prediction system

[tame slate]

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/com.unity.multiplayer.samples.bitesize/tree/main/Experimental/Anticipation Sample

Reminder that Anticipation does not equal Client-Side Prediction

[tidal trail]

k i check it out thank you!

[ocean wadi]

Hi! So I recently was recommended to look into decoupling my code in regards to networking for my game. From my understanding, network decoupling is where you separate out the code involving whatever networking I am using (in my case FishNet) from my core code, so that in case I need to refactor or swap to a different networking system it is easy to change my code.

I was just wondering, how easy would it be to decouple my networking code as a beginner to networking? Should I be doing that if I am planning on staying on Fishnet for my whole project? Is it common industry standard to decouple your code?

[tame slate]

I would do it wherever you can, but wouldn't focus too much time on it, especially as a beginner.

In terms of wanting to do it for easy migration between networking solutions - FishNet is already very similar to other popular Unity networking solutions and migrating your code would be very easy and essentially just changing syntax.

[dry maple]

There are very big differences between various networking solutions that what you are saying is simply impossible. Unless you try not to to use the specific/unique features of each solution and simply use the most common ones across different solutions, basically creating a bare-bones interface. This is simply a bad idea. And it will most likely not work in practice, due to the various small differences on how the different systems handle intricate details.

You just need to find the right networking solution for your game, and stick to it.

Industry standard is to write your own netcode.

[river gazelle]

Is Quantum 3 capable of using UGS Private Player Data? This data is only accessible from a server.
I'd also need the script to only be on the server, since it would have credentials for logging in that clients cannot have access to.

Also I just found out about photon Gaming Circle, which basically costs $500 for basic support and has more samples
It looks extremely scammy, basically sounds like they're denying basic tutorials for free users so they can sell this

https://www.photonengine.com/gaming/pricing

[river gazelle]

Anyone using FishNet? Is it good?

[tame slate]

Generally well received. Comparable to NGO and Mirror.

[river gazelle]

Haven't used either. Watching some tutorials now.
My main issue atm is that I really don't want to watch tutorials and try out 10 different networking solutions.
Took me 2 days to figure out Quantum and it seems pretty terrible for me

[tame slate]

IIRC you wanted determinism - not really many better options (if any at all) than Quantum.

[river gazelle]

Yeah but it's not the most important thing, I mostly just want it for anti-cheat

The requirements for my game are:

• top-down 2d rpg
• fully server authoritative
• must be able to save/load character data on the server
• low latency, smooth gameplay
• fast paced action PvE & PvP
• lots of different zones to explore
• max 20 players / zone is sufficient, + if it's capable of more
• good documentation / easy to get started

Quantum doesn't seem very good for handling different zones or save/load systems

• it has basically no documentation unless you pay them $500/month

[river gazelle]

Anyone using Hathora? Seems extremely easy to set-up.
Does it support multiple zones/scenes? Why is their pricing not visible on their website, that's sus

[sharp axle]

Depends on what you mean by zones. A multi server setup is doable but it is non trivial, especially for a beginner. You can have your single dedicated server load zone scenes additively but that will be limited by hardware. Usually you'll get about 150 - 200 players max and that's if you really know what you're doing.

[ripe mesa]

I think zones play the most important part to ditch the quantum

it looks like your game is similar to Online RPG

[ripe mesa]

pricing is based on vCPU and bandwidth usage

[river gazelle]

been playing around with FishNet today and I love it ...

[ocean wadi]

Hi! I have a quick question. I was just wondering what the best practice is for syncing projectiles in a peer to peer set up.

I was wondering if I should be making the projectiles network objects or if I should just have the spawning of the projectiles synced through rpcs. From the research I've done, simple, short-lived projectiles should be handled through RPCs, while multi-functioned, long-lived projectiles should be handled as network objects (No idea if this is a correct line of thinking or not, but seems to make sense).

[rugged shoal]

Hey @ocean wadi,
It's not a bad way of approaching the problem. And it would depend on your use-case really.
The team summed up the design decisions quite well in the below docs that would help you to decide which approach to take :
https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/learn/rpcvnetvar/

but yes, essentially if you want to keep the data associated with projectiles available longer for late joiners go with NetworkObjects, otherwise RPCs

[neon crest]

can someone pls help me set up photon for a gtag type game (vr) 🙏

[ocean wadi]

Gotcha tyvm! ^^

[bright coral]

Net stack agnostic question;
Any drawbacks to using AssetReference (Addressables) when dealing with object replication and coupling networked object ids to prefab assets? At first glance it seems pretty well suited, but before I start digging into it I figured I'd ask to see if anyone has any immediate reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea.

[bright coral]

👆 Turns out this works great

[weak plinth]

I have an additional editor instance setup as a run config, and it takes forever to launch, any way to speed it up?

for example

it literally takes ~30 secoonds if not more to launch, my personal machine isnt garbage and my project isnt that large

[wild cypress]

How do delagates run in netcode for gameobjects? Is there a way to make it work like an rpc? This is an example of what I'm working with, it only runs on the server, even if the client is the one clicking the buttonendTurnButton.onClick.AddListener(() => { if (!GameManager.Singleton.IsPlayerTurn()) { Debug.Log("cannot end turn : Not current player turn"); return; } GameManager.Singleton.EndTurnButtonPressedRpc(); });

[tame slate]

They don't change - they do not interact with Networking. You just need to make sure each client's instance is calling the AddListener.

[wild cypress]

Does that mean I need to make the button a network object or make it use unity events?

[tame slate]

Your button just needs to follow this general flow:

• Client presses button locally
• Button press sends RPC to server
• RPC is received by server and needs to tell all clients the current turn is over

Making it a NetworkObject or using Unity Events won't really change anything.

A button is a button and doesn't directly have anything to do with networking. It is up to you to make it so that the press of the button sends info over the network via an RPC or NetworkVariable.

[wild cypress]

Okay thanks for the knowledge

I added in a yield return new waitforseconds(1) in one for the rpc calls and it works now. Is there a more elegant solution to timing issues?

[tame slate]

You'll have to send your full code, I don't really know why that would change anything.

[rain sapphire]

How would one handle spawning an ability from 1 of 2 players with Rpc for a class for setting up abilities that does not inherit from NetworkBehaviour? Basically, I am helping my friend set up and ability system for their game, and it works on the host, but when the other player tries to use abilities we've been encountering issues from it needing to be host (without rpc tag) or nothing happening (with rpc tag but no network behavior since now it looks for data like inputs from host). And when we do try with NetworkBehaviour it uses the variables from the host so things like when an ability was used don't get updated.

[lunar wind]

Problem: Getting player input from UI Toolkit to server

I'm in the process of converting the new UGS & Netcode for Entities action FPS template to RTS style.

Here's how things are happening right now:

• player clicks a UI button
• UI Document's controller mono code fires up the event callback
• the callback function spawns a "request" entity via EntityManager
• the player input system iterates over request entities, then writes to IInputComponentData accordingly
• the server input system checks IInputComponentData and spawns request entities for other systems

Snippet:

    [GhostComponent]
    public struct RtsPlayerCommands : IInputComponentData
    {
        // Lobby
        [GhostField] public InputEvent IsReady;
        [GhostField] public InputEvent StartGame;
        // Fleet
        [GhostField] public MoveFleet MoveFleet;
    }

    public struct MoveFleet : ICommandData
    {
        public Entity FleetEntity;
        public float2 Destination;

        public NetworkTick Tick { get; set; }
    }

Can I even use MoveFleet like this? Is it possible to pass custom structures as command buffers?

Now, the thing is as you can see this system looks so complicated that I started to think I'm doing something terribly wrong.

I've initially thought about using RPC's for the entire "player input" system as this RTS game has no input other than commands. But after reading netcode manuals, they STRONGLY oppose against rpc for anything other than meta-game elements.

This is a bummer because a data only rpc of my custom types is simply what i need. Just have to write a system to map rpc's with Player ghosts. I lose prediction (iirc) but the system gets much simpler: spawn rpc request entity directly from the callbacks ( or just buffer a command queue to spawn from main thread )
And on the server, the related system can directly consume the rpc.

Am I missing something, or i should go with RPC's even though the docs say use command streams?

the full command system idea is

they are one-tick "messages"
commands are validated on server before they are processed
commands can be pre-validated on clients for clarity (like greying out UI elements)
executed commands only act on Ghost prefabs, they might also interact with server exclusive logic

I hope someone who knows this stuff helps because this became a huge roadblock for me as I need this to work to complete the main menu -> multiplayer game begin flow.

This is the first time i planned a game with this big architecture ( personal project for now )

[sharp axle]

Spawning Abilities

[sharp axle]

I honestly wouldn't try to cram a RTS into that FPS template.
I also wouldnt use input component data for anything other than direct player input.
RPCs will work just fine for mouse click events.
Check out the Unity Netcode discord server. We had some discussions on this with the devs

[faint cedar]

Hello. How can I force a client network transform to synchronize? Meaning that it would synchronize when I want instead of only when the object is moved.

For context, in my game if a player joins after a gameobject is moved, it wont be synced on the players client.

[tame slate]

NetworkTransforms should sync for late joining clients.

[faint cedar]

well its not

[tame slate]

That would indicate that there's something incorrect with your setup and/or management of the NetworkTransform - not that you need to force it to synchronize.

[faint cedar]

ive tried different settings but havent gotten it to work

i should note it was working before then i updated to unity 6 the other day and now its not working

[sharp axle]

What version of NGO do you have installed?

[tame slate]

This may not be it, but if you're using a version of NGO that has Authority Mode on the NetworkTransform - you don't need to use the ClientNetworkTransform component.

[sharp axle]

But yea, use the regular Network Transform

[faint cedar]

2.2

alright ill try

im having the same issue

[night condor]

I'm having a real issue in my script, so may a kind and gentle unity netcode user help me?

so I have a first script assisgned to a game object synchronized via network object, it references the variables for the names displayed on a leaderboard

everyone is getting a tag when spawning so this works very well (the owner of the server who is the first one to spawn will always get the tag 1, and the cients 2, 3 and 4 in order)

So the owner (with tag 1) is able to change the network variables

But the clients can't modify the network variables even via server rpcs

I've tried figuring this out for hours and even days but nothing I try work

[hearty dock]

All of this seems really confusing and unecessary to me

what's the end goal here?

WHy are you assigning custom tags to players instead of just using their Client IDs?

[night condor]

first time 😅

[hearty dock]

And why not just use the client ID as like the key to a dictionary or something

instead of having separate variables...

which implies a fixed number of players

[night condor]

The problem is that the clients aren't able to modify the network variables even by server rpc

[tame slate]

I'm assuming networkNames is owned by the server and not the clients, so clients will not be able to modify the NetworkVariables.

As for the RPCs, you're not sending anything through them so the value will be set to whatever the server has for playerName which I'm guessing is not what you want.

[hearty dock]

I mean it's hard to tell what your code is even trying to do

where is this playerName variable coming from

[night condor]

Player name comes from an input field where every players enter their nickname and this variable is registered as it can be verified by checking the editor while running the code

How can I modify a network variable with a client?

[tame slate]

the value of this input field needs to be sent through your ServerRpc

[hearty dock]

but... that input field is the one on the server when you're running server code

which clearly your players are not typing in

Send the name in the RPC, or, since you're basically just going to let the client set the name to whatever you want anyway it seems, you could also just let each client own their own network variables for their names.

[night condor]

I'll try setting a new network variable for each player thx

As owner, I suppose that the clients will be able to modify their own variable

Then, I'll try to get every player instance's network variable

And change the TMPs in consequence

[sharp axle]

For player names use a network variable on the player object with owner write permissions

[dusty hill]

Would I want to do something like above for all player stats? Working on more of an RPG thing with lots of numbers, so do I just attach a NetworkBehaviour with a half dozen NetworkVariables inside it on the player objects and use RPC to change values? I can kinda picture it but I want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for trouble later down the line.

[dreamy condor]

Does anyone know how i can make it instant (its x scale)? (im using netcode for GameObjects)

[tame slate]

Most likely, yeah. You can also use Owner Write Permissions to allow players to update their own data/stats.

You can also group related data in to a struct and make that a NetworkVariable if you find that you have too many individual NetworkVariables piling up.

[tame slate]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.netcode.gameobjects@1.12/api/Unity.Netcode.Components.NetworkTransform.html#Unity_Netcode_Components_NetworkTransform_SetState_System_Nullable_UnityEngine_Vector3__System_Nullable_UnityEngine_Quaternion__System_Nullable_UnityEngine_Vector3__System_Boolean_

[dusty hill]

I like the idea of a single struct network variable but probably not needed right off the bat

[sterile creek]

Isnt this just changing the vairable to the hosts player name?

[dreamy condor]

Any other ways cuz im using network transform with owner authority and i get this error:
[Netcode] Non-authority instance of Player(Clone) is trying to commit a transform!UnityEngine.Debug:LogError (object)?

[tame slate]

Make the sprite a child of the player object, turn off scale syncing on the NetworkTransform and use a NetworkVariable or RPC to flip the sprite manually.

[ocean wadi]

Hi! So I have a question.

Pretty much I am trying to sync up my enemies across the host and clients currently. I am working on the Skeleton archer enemy, which charges up an arrow and then fires after a short duration. During the charge up time, the bow is pulled back, the weapon HOLDER gameObject rotates to face the player, and the enemy will flip horizontally to face the player, creating the effect of the bow rotating around the skeleton to aim at the player (2D top down game).

I made it so that the script that rotates the weapon holder syncs the rotation through the use of RPCs. But since there is a slight delay, when the enemy flips, the bow for a short duration flips as well, and then corrects itself when the observer RPC in charge of syncing the rotation corrects the orientation. While not a huge issue, it makes the enemy look really janky, was wondering if anyone had a fix for this.

[night condor]

Nah, the clients get their own name too

[sterile creek]

I understand what you meant to do. But what your code actually does is calls a server rpc and then on the server sets the name to the host/server player name. You need to pass in player name as a parameter

[quaint niche]

What is the best/most widely used solution for p2p?

I want to make a very simple p2p multiplayer game mode for my game,

My understanding is that Netcode seems to be the most widely used option?

[sharp axle]

Best is a matter of opinion. Most used is hard to say. Developers don't usually blog about their networking stack. Unity Netcode, Photon Fusion, Mirror, and Fishnet are the main Iibraries you'll run across. Bigger studios will roll their own custom solutions

[dark horizon]

So for uni we (class) want to make a lethal company style game. We just had a quick look to try and understand how a “moon” scene and a “maze” scene would work in multiplayer (p2p probably) but couldn’t find anything definitive that’s within a reasonable scope. Can anyone point us in the right direction or is it simpler to just teleport them somewhere else in the scene
(NGO ideally)

[jaunty stirrup]

does anybody know how I can add a first person camera onto a player ghost prefab in netcode for entities?

[sharp axle]

What exactly are you trying to do there? I'm not too familiar with Lethal Company. I know that it does use NGO for its networking.

[sharp axle]

You'll want to use the DOTS Character Controller package

[jaunty stirrup]

Oh ok thanks

[sharp axle]

The Competitive Action Multiplayer template is an FPS template will all that setup for you already

[jaunty stirrup]

Yea I got that but I didn't understand it so I wanted to try to make copy of it by my own to make sure Ik how to do it myself but thanks

[dark horizon]

So like an inside the building scene and an outside the building scene, and a player doubles up as a host. We want to make sure that players can scene transition without everyone changing scene or something and the host remains host but aren’t super familiar with the system yet

[sharp axle]

Ok for that you would load scenes additively from the host. That's if you even need it to be separate scene.

[dark horizon]

It’d be a separate scene because the inside would be a procedurally generated bigger-on-the-inside thing

[river gazelle]

Using FishNet, would it somehow be possible to connect to UGS Private player data or like an sql database or something?
How would that work? I literally just started, but from what I see the client has access to all the same files & data as the server?
Are there like seperate files/folders that only go to the server? Or do you upload the account data (password / api key) to a file on the server or something?
Really no clue how this works or how to get started. But I need a clear answer on if this is possible or not (without doing crazy complicated/expensive stuff) so I know if FishNet is suitable for my game.

[tame slate]

Using UGS packages, I believe combining the use of Cloud Save and Cloud Code would achieve what you want.

[river gazelle]

Wouldn't that cause issues where the client has the same "power" as the server and could just save whatever they send?
How would Cloud Code/Save verify the data is from the server?
I just find the whole FishNet server thing very confusing, since it's basically just another client acting as server if I understand it right?

[sharp axle]

The server will authenticate with a Server Account to UGS

There are also access controls that can block a client from accessing the different services

[river gazelle]

Which is exactly what I'm asking, where do I put the authentication details?
So far all I've seen is you program a client in unity, that also acts as a server, you can then press some buttons for several services that makes it a "dedicated" server, but the client would still have access to everything, including my authentication details. Unless there is a way to put those somewhere, somehow, which there probably is, but I don't know

[sharp axle]

Cloud Code Authenticates itself. If you are using a dedicated server then you can use a env file to store your Service Account credentials or use the ServerAuthenticationService

[river gazelle]

mate stop making stuff up
I'm not using a real dedicated server, it's created from the client with fishnet, as far as I know
which is exactly what I'm asking

[tame slate]

No need to be rude. He's simply trying to answer your question.

The reason he's giving you details mostly related to dedicated server setups is because there's essentially no expectation of the level of security and authentication you're asking for in a Client-Host setup.

As mentioned above, Cloud Code is going to be your best bet.

[river gazelle]

But I'd still need to call cloud code from my client, which has exactly the same code as my server, so there's no way to differentiate?

[tame slate]

FishNet just like all other networking libraries has plenty of ways to differentiate between client and host instances.

You can then verify any data sent through Cloud Code and be confident about that verification as it is not happening locally.

[river gazelle]

Yeah Fishnet has plenty of ways, but if one of my clients decides to adjust their client to think it's a server ...

[sharp axle]

You'll need to use fishnet to build a dedicated server if security is an issue. There is not much you can do if someone hacks your client.

[river gazelle]

but there are tools like edgegap that let you just start a server from the unity client, no setup required

[tame slate]

Edgegap is a dedicated server provider..

[river gazelle]

this is the tool I mean
it just lets you run the game as a dedicated server
which again, is why I'm asking how I would get some form of authentication on it

[crimson sleet]

Hi im using ECS and creating a system that is only simulated on the client side bit like a boid group that follows around the player's ghost object
I have some systems like spawn x amount of boid members connected to x player
I am struggling on how to communicate from one client to another to spawn said object because I don't know how to get a reference on every other client to the player / connection that is sending the RPC that says spawn this stuff to the server

[river gazelle]

This is like a very simple basic requirement for a multiplayer game not? A secure way and location to store player data? Why is it so hard to get an answer I can understand?

[crimson sleet]

Like I can get the connection on the server's system from the RPC but how do I communicate that to the other clients?

[sharp axle]

If you are using Netcode for Entities then there is a predicted spawning system that you can use
https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.netcode@1.4/manual/ghost-spawning.html

[crimson sleet]

perhaps I was unclear

the boid members are not ghosts

because I have seen no reason to make them so

[sharp axle]

Spawning them seems to be a reason to me. But your only choice in that case would send an RPC to instantiate the entities and then have another system created to keep track of them

[crimson sleet]

would making hundreds of these things ghosts not just introduce an element of lag

their exact position does not matter at all

i just need x amount to be on x player and for that to be consistent between clients

and for their movement to be fluid

that's why I didn't make them ghosts

is that not the case?

[tame slate]

I mentioned Cloud Code several times. Using it with Cloud Save is the way Unity recommends saving game/player data without giving clients access to the saving code.

[crimson sleet]

yeah so what I do not know how to do is tell client 1 that it is specifically the client number 2 (and their associated player ghost from the linked entity group) that these needs to be spawned for
that's what I'm asking

[sharp axle]

If it's just like particle fx thing then sure. Just an RPC tell the clients to start the effect locally should be fine

[crimson sleet]

in fact, does client 1 even know that there is a connection client 2?

[sharp axle]

No, the clients would not know about each other

[crimson sleet]

hmm yeah so how then can I send an rpc from the server to the clients with a 'reference' so to say to the ghost object that it needs them spawned to

[sharp axle]

I would have an enableable ghost component on the player that you could use to trigger your boids

[crimson sleet]

hmmm maybe but then each client would need some way of disabling it for themselves after the spawn is done for that specific client but if it was a ghost that's obviously not possible

perhaps I can have a ghost component that just says x amount of objects need to be currently spawned for this player but checking that and counting often seems costly

[sharp axle]

If its a timer then the local system can handle that on its own

[crimson sleet]

its not

to elaborate it's a party game where you play as grim reapers collecting souls that follow you around

and you can steal other people's etc.

so I am making a system whereby say you complete a challenge that gives you x amount I need to communicate that to all clients

but I really don't want to make them all ghosts because the calculations for their movement is fairly complicated I don't want for tiny bits of lag to make them teleport all over the place and when you think you are walking into them to steal it its actually somewhere else but your connection just hasn't caught up right

like I prioritise most that when it looks like to the client they are here then everything you do to interact with them happens

thats why I didnt make them ghosts and just simulated on each client

[sharp axle]

NFE client prediction is actually pretty good. But if they aren't interacting with other players directly then its fine from them to be local only. A ghost field with the amount of souls for each player should work as well

[crimson sleet]

yeah I think that's the fallback option but it's ideal if when you steal another player's soul it doesnt literally just despawn it and spawn for you I need to change that soul's target boid to the proper player's

and that system means that isn't possible

could a ghost list containing the player's ghosts work???

thereby if I say ghostlist index 1 wants to spawn souls then it would be consistent across clients?

[crimson sleet]

though thinking about it I suppose this isn't possible except for the client doing the stealing if the souls are not ghosts themselves

because it is hard to say soul number 117 needs to move to player 3 on a different client

though I could just transfer across a random one for the other clients
cause the visual of them flying about to different players is a very cool one that I would like to preserve

and they are close enough together you probably cant even tell

[crimson sleet]

so would this maybe work?

[river gazelle]

and I asked you every time how that stops my client from getting all my passwords?
I probably just don't properly understand how fishnet works, which I've mentioned several times as well and is exactly what I'm asking

If I add code in my game to save/load data through cloud code and then cloud save, then my client can just use that code to save whatever data they want.
So there must be some way to add code to my game that doesn't go to the client?

I clearly don't understand what you're trying to tell me, so repeating it isn't going to work.

For clarification, I do understand how a normal server works, I've worked with UGS and Cloud Code & Save.
I do not understand how FishNet works

[tame slate]

then my client can just use that code to save whatever data they want.

Incorrect. This is the whole point of using Cloud Code.

I clearly don't understand what you're trying to tell me, so repeating it isn't going to work.

I'm offering suggestions and basic advice. If you don't want to go as far to read the landing page for Cloud Code's documentation, I cannot help you.

[river gazelle]

my questions have nothing to do with cloud code???
the way I sent a request to cloud code is by putting it in my game
my server is literally equal to my client
I start my game and click "start server" and then "start client" and then I can open another window to connect with another client if I want
there is no server specific code in the game

so it doesn't matter what cloud code does, if my client can just alter their files and pretend to be the server and send the same request

My issue is that there is no server for fishnet, it's just another client acting as a server.
Everything in the server is also in the client, as far as I know as a complete total beginner with FishNet.

So it would be impossible for cloud code to tell the difference between a client and a server, because they are identical

[tame slate]

I've explained your two options.

• You trust FishNet to differentiate between a client and a client + server.
• If you don't because you are worried about someone modifying the game client, then you need to use a dedicated server.

From your perspective there are no 100% trustable parties in a Client-Host setup. Just because someone starts a Client+Server instance via FishNet in your game does not make them trustworthy. So spending time trying to 100% accurately differentiate between the two is meaningless.

[sharp axle]

That could work. You could also make them child entities of the players

[river gazelle]

The server would be a dedicated server ... It's still identical to my client though, as far as I know

[tame slate]

If you are actually using a dedicated server, you would make different builds of your game. One for the server and another for the client. You can use preprocessor directives to include/exclude parts of scripts depending on the build type, as well as just entirely removing server-only/client-only scripts and assets depending on the build type.

[sharp axle]

There is also a dedicated server package that will help strip out things from each build

[red garnet]

I am using net code for game objects and I want to set the playerController parent when the scene switches.

When the scene changes I run this code transform.SetParent(targetParent.transform);
But I get this error "NetworkObject can only be reparented under another spawned NetworkObject ". The object I am trying to set as the parent, does have the network object component. Any ideas?

[tame slate]

When the scene changes

Where/when specifically in code are you doing this?

[sharp axle]

You'll need to wait until OnNetworkPostSpawn() before you try to reparent network onjects

[halcyon girder]

im working on multiplayer, and the character controls the other players movement, not their own. ive been struggling on this for an hour so i just decided to come here

im using photon

[snow imp]

show the code

[halcyon girder]

for the player movement?

[snow imp]

yes

[halcyon girder]

how do i like put it in the special black box

so its not spam

''' hi '''

''hi''

'hi'

[snow imp]

i think its just if its big enough

not sure though

[halcyon girder]

https://hastebin.skyra.pw/veqedihofi.csharp

anything yet?

[tame slate]

1 controls 2 and 2 controls 1?

[halcyon girder]

mhm

idk why

[tame slate]

That would mean that IsMine is returning true on Player Object 2 for Player 1 and vice versa. Which means the ownership of your objects is probably backwards.

I don't work with Photon, so I'm not sure how ownership is generally assigned - or how you're doing it for that matter

[halcyon girder]

thanks a lot man!

im happy i know the issue

[halcyon girder]

It was because i didnt attach the script to duplicate the camera for each player.. silly mistake

Ok now i can sleep at ease

[red garnet]

When this event is fired OnActiveSceneChanged in the playerController

[tame slate]

@red garnet Yeah, as said here you should make use of OnNetworkPostSpawn as NetworkObjects aren't spawned immediately when a scene change finishes.

[red garnet]

Is OnNetworkPostSpawn a event that I would need to subscribe to in my controller?

[tame slate]

it's a protected virtual function that's a part of NetworkBehaviour

[red garnet]

Hm how would I make use of it then?

[tame slate]

protected override void OnNetworkPostSpawn() { } should work in any NetworkBehaviour

[red garnet]

Ah okay I see thank you
Another issue (maybe):
transform.SetParent(targetParent.transform); Does not seem to actually be setting the playerController as a child of targetParent though, and I get no errors. (That code is in OnNetworkPostSpawn)

actually seems like that method is never hit?

[idle flare]

you can surround it in three ` next time to do this:

Debug.Log("Hello, world!");

[river gazelle]

How do big competitive games handle terrain collision? How do they prevent/check for cheating where players just walk through walls?

[bright coral]

It’s usually a combination of integrity checking the client and validating the actions on the server. There’s no sure-fire way to protect yourself from cheaters though, which is why even the most popular games have very easy to access reporting systems and teams / admins monitoring the reports.

[cursive sparrow]

Hey

[dry maple]

By simply running the same movement logic in the server too, thus completely eliminating the hack you described.

So, there is no checking at all, it just works.

[polar girder]

Hi, can someone familiar with the Boss Room sample explain the advantage of using this ActionID wrapper instead of just a simple int, thanks :)

As explained, it just wraps an int "ID" value

[river gazelle]

I literally cannot find a single tutorial on how to get my terrain (tileset) colliders on the server.
Also the server would be very busy doing all those collisions checks.
Other devs have told me to do collision checking with my map on the client side.

[dry maple]

I am not sure what you mean, you would simply run your client movement logic in the server too. This implies using client side prediction, it wouldn't work with client auth movement.

[dry maple]

Probably because a struct is more "user friendly", or it has some helper methods.

[polar girder]

it doesn't have any helper methods, just boilerplate

public int ID;

        public bool Equals(ActionID other)
        {
            return ID == other.ID;
        }

        public override bool Equals(object obj)
        {
            return obj is ActionID other && Equals(other);
        }

        public override int GetHashCode()
        {
            return ID;
        }

        public static bool operator ==(ActionID x, ActionID y)
        {
            return x.Equals(y);
        }

        public static bool operator !=(ActionID x, ActionID y)
        {
            return !(x == y);
        }

        public override string ToString()
        {
            return $"ActionID({ID})";
        }

[dry maple]

Then most likely to simply add type-ness to the integer, since a raw int can be misinterpreted and used incorrectly while when wrapped in such a struct it would be differented from raw ints.

I think it's better not to focus too much on things like this because something like this fully depends on the original writer preferred way of doing things, and usually there is no strong reason for it.

[polar girder]

Thats what I figured, just was wondering if there was something I was missing

[dry maple]

I have noticed this sample to be very over engineered.

[polar girder]

For a sample thats meant to be tinkered with its a good thing if anything in my opinion

But that might just be me as I'm specifically using it to learn about system design

[dry maple]

Good system design does not mean overengineered. Things should be kept as simple as possible.

This is the KISS principle, which is very important in proper design.

[sharp axle]

I am not a fan of Boss Room

It is a good exercise in jumping into a preexisting project with no idea how/why anything was built.

[polar girder]

For what it is and the actual content, sure it's overengineered yeah

If you guys have any better resources please let me know for sure

[sharp axle]

Depends on what you want to learn

[polar girder]

i've found exploring projects exactly like that the best way for me to learn how to do it myself

[dry maple]

Best way to learn is to do things yourself.

That's how you learn why someone did X instead of Y. Because you might do Y initially and discover its subsequent issues, which causes you to rewrite and do X instead and find better results.

Otherwise you wouldn't know why someone did this instead of that, etc.

[sharp axle]

The NGO bite sized samples are not bad
https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/learn/bitesize/bitesize-introduction/

If you are into long form video tutorials, Code Monkey recently released some multi hour courses on the NGO and NFE.

[crimson sleet]

how to get ghost entity from ghost id on client?

[sharp axle]

Maybe GetFirstGhostTypeId()

[crimson sleet]

That returns an int from an array of ghost instances

But nvm I was being stupid you just query ghost instance

[torn lance]

I'm trying to set up multiple play mode instances for testing multiplayer, and I see there's this tag that I can change for each instance. How do I read the tag to change the behaviour of my scripts, though?

[sharp axle]

Its CurrentPlayer.ReadOnlyTags()[]
https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/mppm/current/player-tags/target-network/

[torn lance]

thank you! I was trying to google everything under the sun but unity 6 resources are getting buried

[fluid lintel]

Hey guys - Sorry if this has been asked before, but how do you get around sending a Transform over the network? Do you split it into its respective Vector3's and send those? Or what are your clever tricks?

[tame slate]

It kind of depends on your setup and what values you want from what perspective.

If I want Transform data from the sender's perspective at the moment in time they send the info, then yeah, I'd probably grab the position/rotation/scale and send it over.

If you're okay with the Transform data being based off of the receivers perspective at the moment in time they receive the message, then I'd probably send a NetworkObjectReference or NetworkBehaviourReference and just grab any Transform data from that on the receivers end.

[fluid lintel]

Oooo, that's creative. I like it

[ruby hedge]

idk if this is the right channel for this but how do i get access to the unity cloud organization

[sharp axle]

The owner of the organization has to add you to it

[ruby hedge]

i am the owner

[sharp axle]

Can you log into https://cloud.unity.com/ and see the DevOps repos

[ruby hedge]

apparently the subscription didnt go through before

devops wasnt enabled

i didnt notice

must have been a connection error

[granite moat]

Hi everyone, i'm making a basic multiplayer fps and have some question about setting parents.
I'm using the animation rigging package to "attach" the weapons to the player, and wanted to set the weapons as children of a Rig, like it's show on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5lRq6-BVcw&t=525s

However, from what i understand, in order to do that, the rig itself would need to be a prefab with a network object, and i would have to manually spawn it first, is that correct?
In fact, not just the rig, but every part of the player visual would need to be turn into a network object.

I'm wondering if there is a better approach to this

[sharp axle]

If you are on NGO2, NetworkRigidbody.AttachToFixedJoint() is an alternative to parenting

[granite moat]

I'll take a look at that, thank you!

[pastel tendon]

So I'm trying to call a ServerRpc from the client when it presses click to use my flashlight and toggle the light in all clients.
The thing is that it gives me a "KeyNotFoundException" every time I click when calling the ServerRpc, not really giving me any more insight.
FlashlightObject's class inherits from UsableObject (a custom class to make everything modular) which inherits from NetworkBehaviour.
The flashlight's GameObject with the flashlight script is inside my player's object holder inside a NetworkObject.
Can someone tell me why this happens and how to fix it? It's been haunting me for the past two days and I've searched everywhere for a solution. 😭

[fluid lintel]

Do you guys know why this is returning a null PlayerObject for a client who connects?

public override void OnNetworkSpawn()
{
    base.OnNetworkSpawn();

    playerUi = GetLocalPlayerUi();
}

private PlayerUI GetLocalPlayerUi()
{
    return NetworkManager.LocalClient.PlayerObject.GetComponent<PlayerUI>();
}

[pastel tendon]

I figured out it's when it spawns in the scene while disabled. I'll look into this. :b

[flint harbor]

Hey guys, i have tried the Unity Friends Sample, and its quite nice that you can get real time updates over ur friends (online status & bio) send and receive friend requests.
I want to know if there is anything related to custom notifications between friends, my objective is to aim for a party invitation system, so i just need to know how to send custom "message" with callback to the sender once the receiver chose to accept or cancel.

Thanks 🙂

[red garnet]

Is it normal for the console to spam these random looking messages when I start my game in the editor?

[blazing arch]

Hi, When I change something like the colour of a sprite of a network object, will it automatically sync across all clients, or will I need to create a client RPC

[void fiber]

I want to make a game similar to 'Muck'. Would using Network Transform for each NPC affect my game's performance? If it does, what can I do to prevent it?

||https://store.steampowered.com/app/1625450/Muck/||

[half quarry]

Im doing some advance netcode for gameobjects INetworkSerializable work. Id like a second opinion on some of the design choices Im considering. My basic issue is I have a set of """Layers""". Each Layer can contain a List of """Features"""". Each Feature can be individually editted by who ever is currently using the drawing tool. I was considering a NetworkList of NativeArrays<Feature>. In this, each element of the list would be a layer, and the NativeArrays would be the individual features. Im somewhat concerned that this approach wont send the deltas in the individual features correctly though. Thoughts?

Id like to avoid spawning in additional network objects if possible. While it would be trivial to just make each layer its own network object, they're all handled through the same system and its just extra clutter

@blazing arch You likely need either a network variable or a RPC to sync the change. Any code thats not 'networked' will be executed as if your running in single player (Assuming your using Netcode For Gameobjects)

Personally, Id go with a NetworkVariable for your usecase, that way late joiners can also see the color change. RPCs are one and done, so if you miss the RPC, you miss the change in color

[blazing arch]

I'm quite new to unity and c#, (about 20~ hours in), is it possible to make the sprite renderer object a network variable

Or should I create a new variable, called spriteColor, and check the value of the spriteColor in the OnUpdate method

Or should I create an event, and subscribe all clients to the event, and call the event on the server?

[half quarry]

Network Variables can only be made from 'structs'. This basicly means that the 'type' of data must be fairly primative. This means that the sprite renderer, which is a class rather than a struct, cant be made into a network variable. Instead, what i would do is delcare a network variable that stores the color (private NetworkVariable<Color> _colorNetworkVariable = new();) and then subscribe to its OnValueChanged event

You can read more about how it works here: https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/basics/networkvariable/

The basic workflow would be that you would setup a public void ColorChange_Rpc(Color spriteColor) rpc that would send a color to the server. The server would then update the value of the color variable. Finally, this change is sent to all the clients, who would then execute the code to change the color of the sprite renderer

[blazing arch]

ahh, thanks a lot

[faint plume]

hello! quite often I get a Rate Limited Exception from GetJoinedLobbiesAsync(), even if I know for sure I haven't called it for a very long time. is it possible that it happens because I did another lobby request right before? I assumed their rate limits would be like, individual per function, seeing as they are listed as separate in the Rate Limits doc

[blazing arch]

It'll be helpful if you refer to stack overflow's question asking structure, and attempt to follow the structure somewhat. With you details you provided, it's not possible for anyone to help you out.

[faint plume]

Nah

[hazy hollow]

hii, im using Unity 6 trying to get a networking object to spawn and move, and currently works, but when I spawn 2 cubes, both players move around when touching the screen (its also a mobile game). I ran into a HasAuthority() so for my movement I have some debugs to track and when I run the game in the editor the debugs spit out correctly (host debugs Client owned, and player2 debugs Not Owned, but both objects are still moving around:

void FixedUpdate()
{
    if(!HasAuthority))
    {
        Debug.Log("Not Owned");
    }
    else MovePlayer();
}

// in MovePlayer I have the Client owned debug at the top of the function ***

void MovePlayer()
{
    Debug.Log("Client owned");

    if (Input.touchCount > 0)
    {
        Touch touch = Input.GetTouch(0);
        Vector3 touchPOS = touch.position;

        Debug.Log("TOUCH POS: " + touchPOS);

        // Create a ray from the camera through the touch position
        Ray ray = Camera.main.ScreenPointToRay(touchPOS);
        RaycastHit hit;

        // Cast the ray into the scene
        if (Physics.Raycast(ray, out hit, Mathf.Infinity))
        {
            // If the ray hits an object
            Debug.DrawRay(ray.origin, ray.direction * hit.distance, Color.yellow);
            Debug.Log("Did Hit");
            Debug.Log("HIT POINT: " + hit.point);
            //transform.position = new Vector3(hit.point.x, hit.point.y, 0);
            targetPosition = new Vector3(hit.point.x, hit.point.y, 0);


        }
        else
        {
            // If the ray doesn't hit anything
            Debug.DrawRay(ray.origin, ray.direction * 1000, Color.white);
            Debug.Log("Did not Hit");
        }
    }
    transform.position = Vector3.MoveTowards(transform.position, targetPosition, speed * Time.deltaTime);

}

[flint harbor]

Does someone know how to handle this communication with Friends System?

[tame slate]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.services.friends@1.1/api/Unity.Services.Friends.IMessagingService.html

You would have to implement this system with the messaging system Friends provides.

There's a callback for when a message is received. You would just have to put in some sort of "InvitationResponse" data in the message, and have it be read through the callback to see whether it was an Accept or Decline.

[void fiber]

please

[tame slate]

Probably not, so long as you’re unloading NPCs not in sight

[hazy hollow]

how do I specify movement based off who owns the client? Ive tried isowned/hasuathroity and netObj.SpawnWithOwnership(clientId) ?

[tame slate]

IsOwner, HasAuthority and IsLocalPlayer are all options depending on your setup

[void fiber]

thanks

[cobalt fern]

Hi guys! I'm using Distributed Authority in webgl project. In editor it works, but after Build and Run it doesn't. Specifically in Try and catch block it doesn't provide answer after await Multiplayer.Instance.CreateSessionAsync(options);

            {
                Debug.Log("Starting session..."); // this message is printed
                
                // options setup code which use distributed authority
                
                ActiveSession = await MultiplayerService.Instance.CreateSessionAsync(options);

                Debug.Log($"Created session with ID: {ActiveSession.Id}"); // doesn't print this mesage
            }
            catch (Exception e)
            {
                Debug.LogException(e); // doesn't print this message either
            }
            finally
            {
                Debug.Log("final block"); // doesn't print this message either
            }

Anybody have any thoughs why this doesn't work?
P.S I use UniTask, as somebody said that threads won't work on webgl build

[hazy hollow]

im trying to set up a lobby rq for online multiplayer and trying to follow the docs, kinda struggling bouncing around different documentation pages and what not ngl. Anyways I installed the services package and copy/pasted the create lobby example of the docs but im getting an error on not importing it correctly ig:

using Unity.Services.Lobbies;

/// ...rest of code

string lobbyName = "new lobby";
int maxPlayers = 4;
CreateLobbyOptions options = new CreateLobbyOptions();
options.IsPrivate = false;

Create lobby isnt being read, and under Unity.Services.lobbies (Services), im getting an import error

[tame slate]

Any reason you're not using Sessions instead? You may find it easier than using Lobby directly

[hazy hollow]

im trying to learn networking and just looking up tutorials. I found some nice CodeMonkey ones but they were using a deprecated lobbies package so im just into a rabbithole at this point

ill look into sessions then and see if thats easier, lobbying seems to be overcomplicating things

[lusty veldt]

Do we have MMR now?

mmr based match making system

[sharp axle]

You can build one pretty easily with cloud save. Update the MMR in the player data after every match then use that in you matchmaking rule

[cobalt fern]

Hi, Can somebody explain me why MultiplayerService.Instance.CreateOrJoinSessionAsync(_sessionName, options); is able to connect by using _sessionName (which is just a text from input field) instead of actual sessionId?

[sharp axle]

You can join a session by name. If it doesn't find one by that name it will create one with you as the owner

There is a join by ID function, but you already have an ID then there is no need to create a session

[stoic crypt]

Hey I have an issue, when 2nd player joins

Player Spawned. IsOwner: False, ClientID: 1, LocalClientID: 0 UnityEngine.Debug:Log (object) MultiplayerPlayerMovement:Start () (at Assets/Futbol/MultiplayerPlayerMovement.cs:24)

i can only move the player 1, the session owner, the second player does not register input

[cobalt fern]

I understand that it can join by session name, question is why? As In documentation it says that it accepts sessionId, not the sessionName.

[sharp axle]

Oh the session id can be any string. so its just setting the name as the session id

[cobalt fern]

Are you sure about that? As I have created another method which uses JoinSessionByIdAsync(string sessionId, sessionOptions), and when I have passed sessionName it said that lobby doesn't exist.

That's what I'm doing CreateServer method:

           {
               Name = _sessionName,
               MaxPlayers = _maxPlayers
           }.WithDistributedAuthorityNetwork();

           _session = await MultiplayerService.Instance.CreateSessionAsync(options);```
In JoinServer method:
```_session = await MultiplayerService.Instance.JoinSessionByIdAsync(_sessionName);```

And this is CreateAndJoinMethod:
```            var options = new SessionOptions() {
                Name = _sessionName,
                MaxPlayers = _maxPlayers
            }.WithDistributedAuthorityNetwork();

            _session = await MultiplayerService.Instance.CreateOrJoinSessionAsync(_sessionName, options);``` - have no idea why this is working, and other two methods don't

[sharp axle]

Oh, CreateSessionAsync() doesn't use the name for the ID, I believe it will have a GUID generated for the ID

[cobalt fern]

Okay that would explain whole situation. But where did you get this information from? I thought Name is stored in the SessionOptions parameter, no?

[sharp axle]

The API docs are not very clear. You have dig into the source code of the session manager to see how the sessions are created

[cobalt fern]

Got it! At least now I know 🙂 Thanks

[stoic crypt]

Any idea? not sure what I'm missing

[sharp axle]

Usually this happen if you aren't checking isLocalPlayer in your input script

[stoic crypt]

oh i was checking isOwner instead

Just realized that means the session owner and not the local

Still, 2nd player is unable to move

!code

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[stoic crypt]

https://paste.mod.gg/ptkxkuneuyzm/0

[sharp axle]

hasAuthority can work too

[stoic crypt]

same results using hasAuthority

[sharp axle]

Oh, Change Start() to OnNetworkSpawn()
Start runs before it connects to the network

[stoic crypt]

Yea... same stuff

i can move the player that creates the session

but not the 2nd player joining

https://paste.mod.gg/yipqkxfsjlru/0

this is the code

I'm unsure if I have to change anything on the network manager?