💻┃code-beginner

[burnt vapor]

I am confused as to why you decided to write this wall of text

[clear juniper]

typically people find it helpful when you help them 🙂

[burnt vapor]

The main issue they have is that their naming convention is causing great confusion. Bad formatting of class names, the fact Unity has a CharacterController themselves which means you confuse their class with your own.

[sour fulcrum]

but i didnt even respond after that comment what 😭

[clear juniper]

I actually think the main issue is that a few different programming things haven't quite clicked yet, so I provided an explanation that used their code on the offchance that a penny would drop!

[burnt vapor]

Amongst plenty of other things, sure

[clear juniper]

idk if you remember what it's like to be new to all this, but I always found it useful having explanations be grounded in things that I'd already written

[burnt vapor]

When I was new I didn't pick up Unity immediately. It does nobody good to learn both .NET and a whole game engine framework (which implements c# very poorly). Better to just learn basic C# before you take on anything else.

[sour fulcrum]

I don't think this advice is as strong for everyone

[onyx geyser]

one of the better ways of teaching someone is usually to use their own thing in the discussion, pointing out what they did wrong, could've done better, and did right, i did understand a significant amount of what you said

[clear juniper]

that worked for you, it doesn't necessarily work for everyone - it's hard to get the motivation to teach yourself fundamentals without seeing fun things move about on the screen

[sour fulcrum]

Depending on the person I do think jumping straight into engine can be solid if you've done a simpl-ish codeacadamy esque c# lesson

[burnt vapor]

The only relevant argument could be experience with previous languages/programming fundamentals. This never applies to anybody here.

Let's be realistic, Sila should take beginner C# courses. Appreciate the help, but you're helping somebody that should take a step back

[eternal needle]

spoonfeeding is usually also discouraged. I'm not directly speaking about the situation above, but we have seen this same scenario many times of an individual refusing to (learn the basics/configure their IDE) because someone chimes in to give them an overexplanation or just the code solution.

[clear juniper]

yeah that's valid

[sour fulcrum]

learning fundementals doesn't exclusively mean taking full on beginner c# courses. I think for a lot of people they would be better off going in engine at a certain point then doing straight c#/net stuff

[keen owl]

Learning C# with a game engine is actually a perfect way to learn the principles of object oriented. You get to see how object and class references work visually rather than just reading about them and running console applications

[onyx geyser]

i'm the type of person that enjoys the struggle, and hate reading so much text or learning from a video, i can't ask questions, sometimes they go too fast, or i get confused by some of the wording, that's not struggling, that's just falling behind.
i like having that human contact because i can ask questions and learn from others experiences rather than a video.

[sour fulcrum]

Which no one takes issue with, the issue is seeking that free advice while being uninterested in following the "give a man a fish and he'll be fed for the day, teach a man how to fish and he'll be fed forever" methodology

[onyx geyser]

i'm not uninterested, and the advice is here, i feel no guilt in asking for help, whether someone wants to give me their advice is up to them, otherwise i would've done something else.

[eternal needle]

Learning how it works yet a lot of beginners here dont know what a constructor is, and barely understand the concept of passing a reference? The only part you see visually is drag and dropping objects as references. This isn't at all applicable to any other aspect of CS
It most definitely is not the perfect way to learn

[clear juniper]

when was the last time you used a constructor in unity 😂

[burnt vapor]

You literally can't use it, that's the point

[sour fulcrum]

an hour ago

I think learning in engine is really strong because it allows you to make comparisons between pre-existing games in order to understand how things work in practice

i swear to god you can teach 99.9999% of beginner to intermediate concepts by making examples out of minecraft

[burnt vapor]

I would agree with you if Unity wasn't so poorly implemented. Not just because it's years behind on it's version, it also does a very bad job at giving you the ability to write code in general (because of the constructors, or the side effects of using null-coalescing on things like gameobjects)

[sour fulcrum]

neither of these things matter at the level we are talking about

[burnt vapor]

You don't just learn C#, you learn a game object AND the fact you can't even use C# properly. Start with the basics first

[clear juniper]

learn a bunch of things you're not going to use in an environment that is boring as hell - solid advice 😉

[burnt vapor]

The "level" you are talking about is learning Unity alongside C#. I have been clear enough on that

[sour fulcrum]

learning beginner level unity alongside c#

[burnt vapor]

Overwhelming, confusing. A beginner is not going to learn anything when they juggle an engine alongside C# basics

[sour fulcrum]

i did

[clear juniper]

I also did

though it was flash, which was a bit easier 😂

[keen owl]

I mean each one learns differently. It helped me seeing stuff visually in the inspector, such as how a boolean represents 2 values, which a checkbox can only have 2 values. Learning about null references and how different objects reference each other in the game world solidified my understanding better than when I were to just write code in the IDE and try learning that way. I found no real example doing it that way. Also learned interfaces alone in unity which was a tough concept for me to grasp.

[burnt vapor]

The majority of people won't be able to do this without getting stuck, it doesn't matter if you did

[sour fulcrum]

are you sure

[burnt vapor]

That's no argument

[sour fulcrum]

what makes you so certain that we are the minority here

[burnt vapor]

I appreciate your argument but I have seen enough cases since coming here in 2019 to know what the approach should be

People bite off way too much at once when beginning. Too much ambition to do things. They just get stuck and end up here, overwhelmed

[clear juniper]

the good thing about learning in 2025 is that:

• there are big active discords where you can get help with a specific problem and get explanations based on stuff you've already written
• if you don't fundamentally object to the tech, you can ask AI literally anything and be 60% sure what it's telling you is true
• there's a ton of free content on youtube

[sour fulcrum]

what makes you think they would have a better experience learning c# outside of unity

[burnt vapor]

Most people have no idea how to learn from video's or AI. Especially AI is heavily discouraged here because of the massive spoonfeeding

Video's are also just taken for granted. Written over with no idea how it works

[eternal needle]

The amount of people we've seen outright quit or get extremely frustrated to the point of mods telling them to stop is a pretty big indicator.

[burnt vapor]

Especially a bit issue when a beginner is watching videos. No idea how the syntax even comes together

[sour fulcrum]

(fuck ai)

[clear juniper]

yeah that one was a bit tongue in cheek 😂

[burnt vapor]

Learning the syntax, learning how proper C# is written. Understanding how you build words at all into something that compiles. Followed by principles like OOP, polymorphism. All without having to worry about what is C# or what is another Unity feature/fuckup

Doesn't even have to be much, just understand how to write basic C#. That's something that's very often skipped

[sour fulcrum]

I don't think that's a viable metric though. I know many people struggle with learning Unity and c# at the same time. What I'm saying though is I don't believe a lot of those people would actually have a better time dropping the Unity part of that, they would probably have an even worse experience.

The people in question here want to make video games. Removing the video game part of it makes it a lot harder than it does easier.

[sour fulcrum]

People do not want to do this

[burnt vapor]

And there you have the issue

They go straight to Unity and C# as a complete beginner and get overwhelmed

Programming is not about what you want and how fast you can do it

[sour fulcrum]

telling people that are struggling to make a video game to struggle less making something else does not solve the problem

[clear juniper]

fyi OOP and polymorphism are actively bad for games 🙂 composition is way more useful than polymorphism in unity, so there's one thing it's largely useless to learn, and OOP is how most things work but DOP is typically better for games. So should we be telling people to go learn DOP instead of OOP?

[eternal needle]

Then the same can be said that two individuals claiming they properly learned c# and unity at the same time is not a viable metric. Infact none of us have defined a metric at all in terms of what success vs failure to learn c# looks like

[sour fulcrum]

I don't disagree with this

[burnt vapor]

Imagine telling a beginner wrking with Unity not to use polymorphism because it's worse. They will skip a huge feature of C#

One of the many reasons to just take the basics first

[onyx geyser]

i think the question you should all be asking is if something is genuinely needed for the project the person is doing.

the reason i don't hop into fundementals right away is because 90% of the time, most of it is completely useless to what i'm trying to achieve.

[eternal needle]

Ah the age old composition vs inheritance. When the real answer is that both have valid use cases and its never a "always pick one over the other" scenario

[onyx geyser]

so i'd rather learn what i need to know, then when i go into fundementals, i can approach the topic i know i need

[sour fulcrum]

@burnt vapor I think a lot of what your saying applies under the assumption we are talking about people who want to program because they want to program

I'd wager 9/10 people coming into this channel want to program to make video games. The programming is just what they need to learn in order to do that. If you take away the video game aspect of it they aren't going to be interested in the programming

[clear juniper]

fwiw I largely don't use inheritance in unity beyond a monobehaviour or scriptable object, unless I'm doing something very specific

[eternal needle]

Then you likely could be setting things up better

[clear juniper]

that would be the "very specific" part 😂

there are very few cases where it's actively better than a simple interface and composition

(in unity)
to be clear if it helps you visualise things and you work best with it, it's not awful, but Unity works on composition and you'll often end up with a mess of inheritance that makes it more difficult to work in a larger project

[onyx geyser]

i'm glad this became an actual conversation, i'll hop on fundamentals when i know what i want to learn, but a lot of the time when someone tells another to go do something like that, it breaks spirit.

[sour fulcrum]

not to be combative to that response but i dont think any of us disagreed on learning the fundementals first

its just defining what "the fundementals" actually covers and to what extent

[onyx geyser]

i dunno, some of it seemed like disagreement

the application of fundementals is different for every person, and it's easier to hold in knowledge when you know what and why you need to hold what you're learning in.

[sour fulcrum]

I guess in saying this though i'd be curious what you think "the fundementals" actually is

[onyx geyser]

my idea of fundementals is a cake.

[eternal needle]

I'm aware you also did suggest to learn the fundamentals but a lot of your messages too did seem against it
#💻┃code-beginner message
beginners would see this and think it means they should open unity first thing and be fine

[onyx geyser]

i'll elaborate.

[clear juniper]

I think there are game dev fundamentals and programming fundamentals, there's some overlap - but if you start with programming fundamentals you will learn things that aren't important, and will miss things that are

and learning by doing then asking questions is good actually

[eternal needle]

Again it's not a one or the other. It never has been. Both have valid use cases that make it easier for specific problems

[onyx geyser]

what i mean by a cake is 6 slices of knowledge (this isn't literal), and each piece has different bits of knowledge that apply to different things.
by eating the whole cake, you stop when you're full, and theres a huge chance on missing out on what you actually wanted to eat.
while just trying ingredients and saying "yeah i want this in my cake", when you go to eat the cake, you know which slice you actually want to eat.

some people ARE able to eat the whole cake and get exactly what they want, that's fine, but i'm not that way, i'd rather know exactly what slices i need to eat to understand what i want, and i can eat the other pieces later.

in order to know what i want, i need to eat the ingredients, even if i don't understand them at first.

is is less effective, can be, but it's how i like to do it, i physically struggle to learn by eating the whole cake.

so when people tell me "just go eat the whole cake and come back", it drives me away from wanting to even look at the cake, that's too much cake.

whilst if i asked what i used ginger for and someone tells me the uses of ginger and it's application, i better understand "ok, so maybe i don't need ginger right now"

i have no clue if any of this was understood, but that's what i think fundementals are.

a big ol cake.

and unlike many people, the only reason i get 'burnt out' is because i see something else i wanna go and try, i think it's an adhd thing, i never really get 'burnt out' unless i'm drawing for 3 days nonstop and have nothing left on my mind.

(hoho i'm so different i know)

[ripe shard]

They typically mean you shouldn’t eat in slices but in layers. So it’s the same idea, tilted 90‘

[onyx geyser]

i'm gonna eat a whole lot of frosting before i get to the chocolate

LOL

[ripe shard]

That’s precisely the frustration that advice givers have with receivers

[eternal needle]

The example definitely fell apart at times which is understandable given you dont have so much experience. Though analogies usually never encapsulate the full scenario. I dont want to make analogies for this now because i dont want you to get the wrong idea.
The main thing is you should learn enough so at the very minimum you aren't struggling with the syntax. Meaning how to write a variable, define a method, define a class.
Then naturally you can learn stuff like for loops, arrays, lists and whatever else an actual structured course will teach you. These very basics WILL be useful for you in unity.

[onyx geyser]

it fell apart because half way through i realized it wasn't working as intended and continued anyways

[onyx geyser]

this i can understand, i appreciate the usage of saying what i should go and learn

instead of saying a vague term that can mean anything

fundamentals are vastly different amongst many groups

that might not make sense outside of my own brain

[burnt vapor]

I find your argument confusing. Not everybody wants to learn everything, they just want to make a game. Yet you want to waste time by falling constantly instead of just learning it properly and implement your game, likely faster as well?

[onyx geyser]

yep! i'd rather fail a bunch learning how to do basic things, because i find it easier than sitting down and learning it step by step.

[burnt vapor]

I'm not saying you should learn the language because I expect you to do more outside of your project. You are just going to get overwhelmed by combining everything, even with a single project

I am not sure what else I should say here, we're going in massive circles here

[eternal needle]

Part of what I gathered from your cake analogy was that you fear you might not use some things you learn. This definitely won't be the case especially if you stick to something like the intro to c# link pinned in this channel. You will be able to apply pretty much everything you learn

[clear juniper]

failing is literally how you learn! Like, it's the fastest way to learn by far

you have to do things wrong to learn how to do them right

it solidifies your knowledge

[ripe shard]

Only if that failure leads to changes in behavior

[clear juniper]

yeah that's fair

[onyx geyser]

i also just like being able to ask questions others might find stupid because i'd rather the human interaction

offtopic but i hate ai call centers, anyways.

[clear juniper]

failure -> feedback cycle is important

[burnt vapor]

Failure by taking stuff at face value wastes time when you could have just done your research

I'm not sugar coating it. If you are aiming to complete a project you should not do this

[clear juniper]

but if you do it wrong then are told how to do it right, that knowledge sticks

[onyx geyser]

times not wasted if you enjoy the process

[keen owl]

Trial and error, action, is the best way to learn. Actually performing a task repetitively and building a pattern until it’s solidified

[burnt vapor]

There's a big difference between trial and error when you at least take the basics. There's plenty more you will encounter during the actual project

[onyx geyser]

this is what i've been saying, i'd rather fail, than look at a fundemental and still not understand anything after, because i'd rather write 100 lines of code, mess up 75 times, than reread the same paragraph about class 50 times trying to understand something

[burnt vapor]

Remember the initial issue that sparked the conversation was caused by gross inexperience of absolute C# basics. Could have just started with a very basic project that takes maybe an hour to learn this

[sour fulcrum]

(or codeacadamy esque tutorials)

[onyx geyser]

i told you all, i tried, i really tried, this was about a system for first person, that was it, that was the entire thing, but because of unity's recent updates, the changes have made following ANY tutorials practically impossible.

[burnt vapor]

Unity doesn't update C# syntax. Your issue sparked because you had poorly formatted code

[ripe shard]

Look at this conversation. One guy is running in circles with their arguments and 5 other people try all sorts of approaches to figure out what we are even talking about. 5 are learning, one is not.

[burnt vapor]

Also, back to my initial point of Unity just making things more confusing, the framework has its own CharacterController which just made your issue worse

[sour fulcrum]

Unity hasn't changed much to where the previous methods no longer work, not sure what your talking about in this specific case

[onyx geyser]

i tried to do a flappy bird tutorial from 3 years ago.
the dudes code worked perfectly, i followed it, tried to learn it, and while his pipes were within camera view, mine were EVERYWHERE, i checked it multiple times, and eventually was just told to jump on in instead of doing the tutorial

[keen owl]

Think he means deprecated code, but I could be wrong

[clear juniper]

was that the GMTK one? That one still works for me in Unity 6.1

[onyx geyser]

even things like pressing space were changed, because i had to go around using the space bar by typing in (a much easier verison) of what i wanted.

[sour fulcrum]

That difference in their project vs. yours does not sound like anything Unity has remotely changed

[onyx geyser]

it was though

[sour fulcrum]

you can still do the old input stuff

[onyx geyser]

i looked it up, the specific terms used had been changed

i did, and it still messed up!

i'm not joking

[clear juniper]

oh they did change rigidbody.velocity to rigidbody.linearVelocity?

[sour fulcrum]

this is one of the only ones i can think of where something got actually replaced

[clear juniper]

yeah

[onyx geyser]

yeah, and that messed me up as a beginner because i didn't know what it meant at the time, i only found out after looking it up

[sour fulcrum]

that wouldn't cause the issue you mentioned though?

[onyx geyser]

one of the ones for pressing buttons got replaced too i believe

[sour fulcrum]

theres a new way, the old way still works

[onyx geyser]

i still haven't found an answer as to why my pipes were so messed up

[keen owl]

FindObjectOfType now is FindFirstObjectByType as well lol

[clear juniper]

oh yep

[onyx geyser]

it genuinely confused me

i then followed someone elses first person tutorial and it ended up spinning my character a lot

[sour fulcrum]

its just deprecated though, not replaced right?

[clear juniper]

was it the GMTK one? I can poke mark and tell him that a few things have changed

[keen owl]

Yeah

[onyx geyser]

and while, yes, i won't deny it could be me, i also checked that one half a dozen times and gave up to go find a different way to make a first person camera

[keen owl]

FindObjectOfType is deprecated

[sour fulcrum]

the linearvelocity thing is only thing i can think of where the old way outright wont work anymore

[onyx geyser]

and now this one is slightly changed too, there's an error when i type the same thing the dude in the video typed

[sour fulcrum]

you gotta be a little cake pilled in order to mix and match tutorials like that

[onyx geyser]

i don't get it, maybe it was the name, but after changing the name, it still didn't work

[onyx geyser]

oh no i, deleted it.

and started over

[keen owl]

Unity should prompt you that it will update any scripting API to its newest version if anything is deprecated

You should allow it to

[burnt vapor]

Doesn't the old variant still exist here, though? It would get a deprecation warning at best.

[keen owl]

Or just manually fix it

[burnt vapor]

This is usually how it's done. if they didn't provide the old variant then that's quite a big fuck up on their end

[sour fulcrum]

no they straight killed that shit

afaik

[onyx geyser]

anyways for the last several days i've just been running into issue after issue with unity, even so far as to when i booted it up and got errors upon booting it up.

[burnt vapor]

That's dumb. Just makes it confusing and annoying to update

[clear juniper]

sorry for light mode but it looks like fused is right

[onyx geyser]

none of the tutorials i've tried to follow have worked properly for some reason, so i've been running in circles with it, and i'll admit, it's been kinda fun.

[clear juniper]

might just be rider being clever though

[keen owl]

I found the whole renaming of variables in unity 6 kind of pointless and annoying. I only switched because the splash screen became a voluntary choice

[clear juniper]

I did notice a few typos in your original code - when you're programming, you've got to be incredibly precise with naming

that could be why things don't work

not saying it definitely is, but e.g. case matters

[onyx geyser]

it could be, i didn't deny it, i've slowly been getting better

anyways this is what i was talking about with the bird

i'm gonna go back and look through the video, but i was pretty sure i did everything the same way.

maybe i'm missing something here

[sour fulcrum]

what did the tutorial have 😄

[onyx geyser]

this

here lemme grab it

[sour fulcrum]

(i think i found the problem btw :P)

[onyx geyser]

i believe this was the line that handled randomizer

[sour fulcrum]

post whole thing

[onyx geyser]

here's the rest of it before he zoomed

and made the changes

[sour fulcrum]

i'd need to see the whole thing

[sour fulcrum]

take a look at your highestpoint for me rq

[clear juniper]

here you've got ||highestPoint = transform.position.x + heightOffset||

ah beaten to it 😂

[sour fulcrum]

spoilers

[onyx geyser]

right around void? or below that in the instantiate?

[sour fulcrum]

where you set its value

[onyx geyser]

i really have considered just quitting sometimes.
but then i remember i have a task i need to do.

this is one of those times however.

[sour fulcrum]

do you see the issue 😄

[clear juniper]

there's one letter difference between yours and the tutorial!

[onyx geyser]

yes

reluctantly, yes

i see the issue

i think i really do need new glasses

[sour fulcrum]

two if you count the function name being spawnPipe and not SpawnPipe but that wont cause errors

[clear juniper]

easy mistake to make!

[onyx geyser]

oh well, it's why i make mistakes and talk to people, i now know to look closer when i'm setting positions

i remember years ago i messed up and didn't realize i needed to capitilize certain things, still make that mistake from time to time but it's not nearly as bad as it was

[sour fulcrum]

everyone makes mistakes, the lesson to learn here is getting into the habit of troubleshooting.

the pipes are in the wrong place? what code relates to the pipes? what code relates to what place they are being placed?

[onyx geyser]

thank you

[sour fulcrum]

getting good at programming isn't avoiding making mistakes but learning how to identify, research and solve them

[onyx geyser]

yeah

it's why i talk to people who can point things out

[clear juniper]

the worst issues are the ones that don't have an error message 😭

[onyx geyser]

i think it's funny when the bird hits a pipe and starts spinning

it works now btw

[sour fulcrum]

I have some absolutely rancid modding related issues that have driven me crazy in the past lol

[clear juniper]

ahahaha yeah I can imagine

[onyx geyser]

the more i write, the more i understand (just really slow)

i've also been going back and forth with the unity wiki or whatever it's called

hey actually got the error i made this time for once, i'll stop being pesky here for now lol

[burnt vapor]

No, Rider doesn't virtually support old syntax. This means Unity does properly deprecate the old field/property.

It's not bad to continue using it, especially because Unity never removes deprecated features. However, the new variant should be preferred and likely works better

[short path]

can any one tell me why my collison or trigger not working

[median hatch]

whats the problem exactly?

[median hatch]

is your ide configured?

[onyx geyser]

we figured it out

they did

at least

it was a single letter i messed up

is humbling

[median hatch]

happens to the best honestly

[short path]

Yeah

[median hatch]

void OnCollisionEnter(Collision other)
    {
        
    }

this is the actual function

not OnCollisonEnter

!ide

[eternal falcon]

💡 IDE Configuration

If your IDE is not autocompleting code
or underlining errors, please configure it.

Select one:

• Visual Studio (Installed via Unity Hub)
• Visual Studio (Installed manually)
• VS Code
• JetBrains Rider
• :question: Other/None

[short path]

I already tried it

It's not working .

[dire field]

Hello, im looking for a little direction. Ive been working on thei buoyancy script which seems to work mostly ok, other than I seem to get constant bobbing up and down. I think I maybe need to slow the force applied as it gets towards the surface plane but im not really sure how to approach it. Here is the code I have so far: https://paste.mod.gg/sirlvfszrrtn/0

[naive pawn]

https://unity.huh.how/physics-messages/collision-messages-3d

[naive pawn]

isn't there a built-in buoyancy effector?

[dire field]

Oh perhaps I see a 2D one but was attempting to roll one myself to learn it.

[thick sedge]

good morning

how can u snap meshes into another mesh? without having to move it with x y z axis because building scenes is really difficult
Roblox studio had something like that so i think Unity has it too

a simple way to give it is How can I build maps easier

[boreal violet]

Why it creats particles but it're doesn't play

[burnt vapor]

!code

[eternal falcon]

Posting code

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📃 Inline Code

Surround code with three backquotes. Not quotation marks.
To format as C#, add cs to the first line:
```cs
// Your code here
```
Add a comment with a line number if there is an error message.

[feral moon]

Guys, you are all hope. How can I make all the Boolery functions on False when I click the "New Game" button? Because the object has a DON'T Destroy On Load. That is, I move from the scene to the menu, and when I transition, I have the same object (Objectbar), and the button reacts to a new object, but there is no to the old one. Therefore, when clicking on the "new game", on the contrary, the game continues, because one BULEV function = True in the old object

When the game is rested, everything is fine

https://hastebin.com/share/lebexabiyi.csharp

[boreal violet]

!code

[eternal falcon]

Posting code

📃 Large Code Blocks

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📃 Inline Code

Surround code with three backquotes. Not quotation marks.
To format as C#, add cs to the first line:
```cs
// Your code here
```
Add a comment with a line number if there is an error message.

[naive pawn]

see the "large code blocks" section.

[naive pawn]

you'll probably want some method to reset stuff to the initial state (don't call it Reset though, that's a unity message)

[boreal violet]

Thx, but i'm already fixed it

[naive pawn]

still, read it for next time you ask about code here

[median hatch]

not the right channel

check modular assets for starters

[naive pawn]

water is incompressible for most purposes, so the buoyancy in water is typically not dependant in depth
it's dependant on how much the object is in the fluid though

is the bobbing you see constant, convergent, or divergent, and what's the desired effect?

[winter plover]

Hello, any idea why this doesnt work guys?

    IEnumerator MoveMonsterJumpscare()
    {
        JumpscareSound.Play();
        while (Vector3.Distance(Monster.transform.position, TargetEndPos.transform.position) > 0.1f)
        {
            Monster.transform.position = Vector3.MoveTowards(Monster.transform.position, TargetEndPos.transform.position, monstermovespeed * Time.deltaTime);
            yield return null;
        }

    }

the jumpscare sound plays, but the monster doesnt move

i've assigned everything aswell

[wintry quarry]

Use debug.log to make sure the code is running

In the loop

[winter plover]

right, one second

hey i swear ive seen you somewhere before

on discord

[wintry quarry]

I've been around for a while

[winter plover]

ya maybe

btw,

nvm ima ask it later

lemme do that log

hey wait, i figured it out. it only moves an inch?

i think its my targetpos thats too close

nope, i changed to pivot and its still way over

also, it only moves like an inch forward.

or lets say towrads the empty object

[wintry quarry]

Did you do the logging?

My guess is it's only running for one frame or so

The logging will tell you that

That's why I asked

[winter plover]

ah i figured it out

i was destroying the object im playing the coroutine on instantly

i instead destroyed it once the monster reached the destination

[wintry quarry]

That would have been my guess

[winter plover]

oh yeah also,

do u know the easiest way to make fades?

fades meaning like

fade a blackscreen in

slowly

[wintry quarry]

A coroutine or a tween library

[winter plover]

yes, ik coroutine but what do i do in the coroutine?

also which of those is better, tween library or coroutine

[wintry quarry]

Fade the alpha of a black UI image covering the screen

[winter plover]

yes, how do i fade it 😭

lerp the alpha maybe?

[wintry quarry]

That's what I just said...?

[high summit]

Hey folks, I noticed I can change the main URP assset 'cast shadows' function at runtime, I'm creating a 'potato pc' option for my game to run on old hardware, And I'm wondering if there is a way to toggle this option via code?

[dire field]

I actually ended up figuring it out, I had my values the wrong way around when applying the dampening so it never actually slowed when in water. Now it works like a charm!

[viscid girder]

I have no clue why this is happening. I disabled all scripts for my player but the player capsule (height of 1.9), will not rest on the ground and is constantly moving on the X and Z axes by tiny float values. Usually at rest, the Y position should be 1.45, I even try to set this manually yet it goes to this weird slightly hovering state?

[winter plover]

hey,
cant i do smth like this?

 public void FadeIn(float duration)
{
   StartCoroutine(Fade(1, 0, duration));
}


 public IEnumerator Fade(float startAlpha, float endAlpha, float duration)
    {
        float elapsed = 0f;
        while (elapsed < duration)
        {
            canvasGroup.alpha = Mathf.Lerp(startAlpha, endAlpha, elapsed / duration);
            elapsed += Time.deltaTime;
            yield return null;
        }
        canvasGroup.alpha = endAlpha;
    }
}

i think this should work

[viscid girder]

(Skip to 0:14 btw)

[winter plover]

maybe the collider

unless u have a controller

like charactercontroller

like the radius of the charactercontroller

[viscid girder]

I disabled the playercontroller script.

[winter plover]

hm idrk then

[eternal needle]

without seeing the whole setup we cant really say whats causing this. maybe first do a sanity check and create a new capsule in scene. give it a rb with frozen rotations and see if it functions how you expect. start adding the same logic that you have on this player to that capsule until you find what is causing this

[viscid girder]

I found part of the issue, the sword has a capsule collider on it too. This shouldn't be an issue though since there is no rigidbody attached to it??? Aditionally, the sword collider is not even touching the ground?

Adjusting it here fixes it but I need the collider to be that shape

[eternal needle]

oh i missed the sword collider. its still a part of your RB since it is a child

[viscid girder]

ah, i see

is there any way to make this not the case 😭

[eternal needle]

you could probably get away with making the sword a trigger collider instead, since you probably dont want it pushing stuff around either

[viscid girder]

okay thanks 😉

it worked ty

I think I need that anyway to check for hits and stuiuff down the line

[eternal needle]

there are also layers and setting up the physics layer matrix which you'd want to use if setting up hitboxes on characters

[jade cobalt]

Im following this tutorial but when i want to add a second path my cat stops after the first instead of following the second
https://youtu.be/11ofnLOE8pw?si=fs0XhFSRT_MRn_Su&t=560

any ideas? I can send the script but im pretty sure i did everything like in the video with the exeption that my cat is a prefab

[split plover]

Im not fully sure what all of the using things mean, but should i be putting using Microsoft.Win32.SafeHandles; and using System; at the start of my scripts? I'm alreeady putting system collections and the input system in for IEnumerators and the input system.

[naive pawn]

if you're using them, sure?

but you probably shouldn't be using that first one

[split plover]

Well i don't really know what they do

[jade cobalt]

ok i think i fixed it and the paths need to connect to work together

[split plover]

it was automatically put in my other script so idk what it does

[naive pawn]

using statements just mean "import this library" (to oversimplify)

[split plover]

I know that its just that i kinda have to guess what it means cause it doesn't really tell me.

[naive pawn]

that's all it means

[polar acorn]

It does, if you hove rover a type it tells you what namespace it's in

[split plover]

like i have no idea what microsoft win32 safehandles is

[polar acorn]

And if you're not using it anywhere, it'll tell you that too

[split plover]

saying its in microsoft win32 does not help me

[naive pawn]

if i had to guess, it's windows file handles

[polar acorn]

example: I'm not using System.Collections in this class, I can remove it

[split plover]

Oh i didn't evene realise that it shows if your using it or not

thanks

[polar acorn]

But you could hover over the classes you are using in your project, and see which ones are part of that namespace

and that tells you "This is the namespace that lets me use this class"

[naive pawn]

or delete it and see what errors come up 🙃

[polar acorn]

which, presumably, you do know what its purpose is

or else why would you be using it

[split plover]

real i agreee

i should delete system 32 and see if i get any errors for the win32 thing

windows didn't let me

windows sucks

[naive pawn]

it was most likely put there by autocomplete if you chose the wrong type in the intellisense suggestions

[split plover]

im trying to use if (InputSystem.actions.FindAction("M1").WasPerformedThisFrame) in an attacking script and everything should be fine but its giving me this method group error, i have literally zero idea how to use the input system so idk why this isn't working

[naive pawn]

Did you intend to invoke the method?

[split plover]

yes

i did

[naive pawn]

then invoke it

[split plover]

what does that mmean

[naive pawn]

call the function, Function()

WasPerformedThisFrame is a method that returns a bool, it's not a bool itself

you have to call it to get the bool from it

[split plover]

is this another one of those things

[naive pawn]

it's a basic c# thing

[split plover]

where someone who told me to use a line of code

forgot to put parentheses

[naive pawn]

you should probably go brush up on basic c# if you weren't able to solve this

it's a very basic issue

don't rely on copy-paste

do some actual learning

there are resources pinned in this channel

[split plover]

i mean nobody even told me what a method is and i finished the beginner programming course in the unity help thing

[naive pawn]

the beginner programming course is for unity programming specifically, isn't it?

about unity messages and such

you still need to learn c# itself as a language

see the resources pinned in this channel

[split plover]

i have before

[naive pawn]

!collab

[eternal falcon]

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Please, use Discussions to promote yourself as job-seeking, advertise commercial job offers, or look for non-commercial projects to participate in:
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[jade cobalt]

Is there a simpler way for a car to follow a road and loop?

[naive pawn]

well, if you don't know what a method is, then clearly you didn't go through it enough, then..?

[split plover]

ignoring the fact you probably shouldn't put this here why would you advertise this in a beginner coding channel 😭

[jagged gazelle]

!collab

[eternal falcon]

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[naive pawn]

because people will advertise wherever

they aren't reading rules, why would they read anything else

[split plover]

i went through both the beginner and intermediate unity coding tutorials and thought it was enough

[jade cobalt]

can u stop spamming it in this channel :c

[polar acorn]

You're supposed to read the message not call the bot again

[naive pawn]

go through the intro to c# thing

[jagged gazelle]

Oh Sorry

[jade cobalt]

ok guys but do u know how to make a simple follow along path animation that doesnt have to deal with the curves ?🥺

actual begginer asking a code question

[split plover]

of course the literal only thing i don't open is the most important one 😭

[jagged gazelle]

Anyone Interested?

[naive pawn]

read the bot message.

[split plover]

yeah i'll fr write code for you trust me im so good at coding bro (this is a joke by the way)

[polar acorn]

<@&502884371011731486> spamming multiple channels, refusing to follow instructions

[rocky canyon]

you can use waypoints and lay them out in the shape of a curve..

[jagged gazelle]

Where Can I Offer This?

[rocky canyon]

but at the point why not just use a curve

[naive pawn]

read the bot message

[polar acorn]

If only you were sent a message like ten times that tells you where to put this instead

[rocky canyon]

thers no soliciting here

[high summit]

Oops my bad

[jagged gazelle]

Send Me link In DM

[frosty hound]

If you're going to be this annoying, you will be kicked from the server. You have been provided the link where you spammed in #💻┃unity-talk : #💻┃unity-talk message

[high summit]

Brother it was a gif telling you to read

[jade cobalt]

well its a road like this, i honestly just want a car going from the bottom to the tunnel and another doing the oposite on the other lane

and im pressed on time+a noob when it comes to unity

[polar acorn]

I mean, you could just do a series of positions and some MoveTowards calls

but splines are pretty powerful, especially if you ever want more involved shapes of paths

[naive pawn]

i think curves are kinda overkill for this if you're pressed for time

[jade cobalt]

i installed the spline thingy but i dont see it under the window tab and i dont know how to put them in :c

[jade cobalt]

yeah and also they look wonky bc the road is straight anyway and i need to fiddle with bezier positions

[winter plover]

well u could just do a movetowards if it even exists in 2d

[naive pawn]

(it does, but you could even if it didn't)

[polar acorn]

MoveTowards is just math

[jade cobalt]

ill try doing that

[rocky canyon]

Movetowards -> nextPosition..

if(distance to nextPostion < threshold) -> nextPosition = nextNextPosition; and so on

a loop would be 🤌

[high summit]

Hey, Just wondering is this a very resource intensive way of doing this raycast? I'm optimizing the code/game as much as I can and this being called every tick could potentially be overkill?

(but I'm unsure) I need to happen the instant the player looks at something so I guess there is no other way realistically

[rocky canyon]

the raycast takes less than ur actual Tag comparisons

[high summit]

Oh nice, So it's not as expensive as I thought

[rocky canyon]

i wouldnt worry about a single raycast every frame

ohh no ofc not..

raycasts are cheap

[rocky canyon]

id only worry if ur doing like 100 raycasts every frame..

then its probably time to reconsider ur code 😄

i have a sailboat that shoots about 30 every physics tick. not soo bad

[high summit]

Actually that's a point. I have a seperate raycast script that is for doors, but in theory I coulld merge that into this 'raycast controller' and use the same ray

[sour fulcrum]

Don’t overthink it tbh

[thick sedge]

or u can disable the one's you're not using

[eternal needle]

You should be using && rather than & here. Also look into the profiler so you can see how long things actually take to run

[winter plover]

hey guys, what type of vfx should i do for a jumpscare? i can also tell what type of jumpscare it is if u guys need more info

[eternal needle]

This is a code channel

[winter plover]

mb

forgot

[rocky canyon]

later on u absolutely could use a single raycast script..

i use Interfaces.. if the object has one of those interfaces it just calls the correct function

 void Update()
    {
        ray = new Ray(cam.transform.position,cam.transform.forward);

        if(Physics.Raycast(ray,out RaycastHit hit,distance,mask))
        {
            if(hit.collider.TryGetComponent(out IInteractable interactable))
            {
                cachedInteractable = interactable;
                cachedTransform = hit.transform;
                cachedHitPoint = hit.point;

                if(Input.GetKeyDown(interactKey))
                {
                    cachedInteractable.Interact();
                    Dbug.Italic($"Interacted with {cachedTransform.name}");
                }
            }
            else
            {
                ClearCache();
            }

            draw = true;
        }```

3 different types of interactable objects.. all 3 just using an IInteractable Interface

[high summit]

Yeah I'm doing something very similar

actually, the same thing lol

[rocky canyon]

💪

ya see it would be very simple to just manage all the interactables in that single raycast script..

but as said.. dont worry too much about it.. unless u feel u need to

[sour fulcrum]

components > tags in a lot of cases like that ye

[rocky canyon]

i cant see much of this script.. but it appears that it doesn't respect the Single Responsibility principle... (seems like 1 script is managing all the interactables so far)

that'd be more concerning than using too many raycasts.. just food for thought 🍎

but if it works.. and its manageable.. its bout preference

[rocky canyon]

u can remove the .gameObject. part of that if u wish.. u can just tryget from teh collider.. just a 💡 tip

[split plover]

Alright I've literally done everything i cannot find a singular reason why this is causing this error

    static bool IsDown(InputAction action) => action.phase == InputActionPhase.Performed;

the exact same code that i even copy pasted in to check from another script is working in the first script but isn't working in the second. I have absolutely zero idea why this is happening and i haven't found anything in the unity docs or by looking anywhere i can online.

[polar acorn]

Assuming that line is the one throwing the error, action is null

[ivory bobcat]

Should this be static? Also, what if action is null?

[split plover]

Its static in the first and action shouldn't be null because it isn't in the first script

[thick spoke]

my brain kinda shutdown for a moment, how do i call classes from other scripts? without inheritance

[rocky canyon]

static / singletons, serialized references

[split plover]

idk either i just use get component and pray it doesn't fry unity

[ivory bobcat]

Well.. whatever's calling it is passing it null apparently

[thick spoke]

any other ways?

[eternal needle]

it doesnt matter what happens in the first script. the code is telling you it is null, so it is null

[split plover]

Probably

[rich adder]

[SerializeField] private MyComponent myComp

[rocky canyon]

https://unity.huh.how/references

check out this page.. it covers a few

[split plover]

But it shouldn't be null there is nothing else referencing it in the first script that wouldn't be in the second script so there is literally zero reason that it shouldn't be working since i even copy pasted it

[eternal needle]

"shouldn't be null". but it is, and the code is telling you it is

it isnt lying. you need to debug why and how you are passing null to it

[ivory bobcat]

The error states that it's 100% null

[split plover]

I've been trying but it just hasn't been working

[ivory bobcat]

Now you've just got to figure out why.

[rocky canyon]

follow along with its progression... try to find when it happens

[ivory bobcat]

Your error lies elsewhere

[split plover]

alright i know this is stupid but im just gonna add a character controller to the script JUST incase to see if it fixes it

[rocky canyon]

lol.. ok

[split plover]

Yeah it didn't work

[polar acorn]

The error says that action is null. It's null.

Guaranteed

[split plover]

Yeah i know that

[thick spoke]

ty

[polar acorn]

So, maybe try some logs or the debugger to find out which thing calling the function is passing the null

[split plover]

there is only one error in the logs

and what do you mean the debugger?

[rich adder]

dont you need myAction.Enable();

[naive pawn]

@split plover perhaps look through the stacktrace to see where action is coming from

[split plover]

What is stacktrace 😭

I dont even think i have that

[naive pawn]

the list of function calls under the error

you do

[polar acorn]

click on the error

then look at it

[rocky canyon]

stack trace is at the bottom of hte console

[split plover]

its saying its happening when the 30th line is called which is when the function with an if statement is called

but idk whats wrong with the if statement

[naive pawn]

it's passing null

it's not the if statement that's the issue, it's the function call

[polar acorn]

The stack trace will show you first what line the error is on, then what line called that line, and so on all the way out.

So, look at the line where you're actually calling IsDown, and that line is passing null to it

[ivory bobcat]

Show some code

You ought to be calling IsDown somewhere with some variable that's null

[split plover]

Well unrelated but i added returns to the if statement and the function and now its back to saying that the isdown bool is the thing showing null again

[split plover]

this is all i can really fit in a screenshot and i dont wanna flood chat

it is everything thats included in the errors thoug hso

[rich adder]

whats that lonley GetComponent doing nothing

[ivory bobcat]

So... Mi Input is null

[split plover]

wdym

[polar acorn]

So, if that first line is the one that's calling the line that throws the error, M1Input is null

[rich adder]

GetComponent<MovementScriptBaseCharacter>(); is doing nothing

[polar acorn]

Your third line of start does literally nothing

[split plover]

Its how im calling the isbusy bool from my other script

[ivory bobcat]

There likely wasn't an object-action called "Mi" when Start occurred

[split plover]

so people cant do stuff while doing other stuff

[polar acorn]

No it isn't

[split plover]

mi?

[polar acorn]

You literally are not using the result of that function

[naive pawn]

no it isn't. you're just getting the component and not doing anything

[split plover]

wait where are you seeing that

[rich adder]

I think you misunderstood what GetComponent does

[split plover]

i dont have anything called mi

[polar acorn]

You could delete that line and literally nothing changes

[naive pawn]

he's referring to M1

[rich adder]

m1Input

[split plover]

oh

[naive pawn]

you're trying to get actions from playerInput before you assign playerInput

also, !code

[eternal falcon]

Posting code

📃 Large Code Blocks

Use links to services like:
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📃 Inline Code

Surround code with three backquotes. Not quotation marks.
To format as C#, add cs to the first line:
```cs
// Your code here
```
Add a comment with a line number if there is an error message.

[naive pawn]

if you don't want to flood chat, see the "large code blocks" section

[ivory bobcat]

I'm surprised there wasn't an nre prior in Start

[naive pawn]

-# it would be slightly more performant

[split plover]

I was almost hoping this didn't work so that I didn't feel as stupid 😭

[naive pawn]

there mightve been 🤷

[rich adder]

put a break point or Debug.Log(M1Input) after M1Input = playerInput.actions etc.

[naive pawn]

or maybe the object wasn't active or the component wasn't enabled lol

[split plover]

What do you mean

[polar acorn]

As a way to check if it is being assigned a value

Basic debugging steps

[rocky canyon]

was nav right? were they just not enabled?

[split plover]

wdym? the issue was that i had something referencing the player input before i got the player input component

[rocky canyon]

oh okay. i stepped out for a second..

ohhh that classic issue

[rich adder]

oh idk lol I was just reading the docs i never used Input Action like that had no idea it had a method

[split plover]

yeah pretty average of me to make a simple mimstake

[rocky canyon]

better than making big mistakes..

[split plover]

Honestly atleast big mistakes would be harder to miss

[rich adder]

this would probably be easier just to assign the InputAction in the inspector
(no worries about event order since its Dependency Injected)

[rocky canyon]

big mistakes may require refactoring entire systems tho..

much easier to change a keyword or two 😛

[ivory bobcat]

Some big mistakes are unrepairable. You ought to never ask for pain.

[split plover]

atleast i would learn from the mistakes, im probably gonna forget about what i just did and end up doing it again

[rocky canyon]

post-it notes

ALL over ur desk 😉

lol

[split plover]

i dont have those but if i did then believe me they would be

[rich adder]

don't worry for me it takes 3-4 mistakes on the same thing to actually learn from it

[rocky canyon]

thas about average tbh. if u dont make a habit out of it manually.. u have to make a habit out of it organically

[split plover]

I tripped on the same step in school so many times like years ago that there was an indent on the stair

i got in trouble cause they thought i was kicking the stair not tripping on it

[rocky canyon]

shoulda gotten a plaqe?? <plack> ? with ur name on it installed ;D

[rich adder]

you got metal shoes?

[split plover]

i mean there was a nail in the shoe for some reason

but the stairs were pretty weak, idk what it was made of, could've just been the paint scratching off too idk

[rocky canyon]

okay.. im all about reminiscing but we're trending offtopic 😄

[split plover]

true

[rich adder]

anyway did you add the log and test if m1 is null in start

[split plover]

Yeah thats working now

it doesn't even recognize the input though so i'm probably just gonna take the lazy way and use keycode anyways 😭

[naive pawn]

plaque?

[split plover]

actually let me try something

[rich adder]

you should def learn a bit more of input system before going further with it

[rocky canyon]

looks weird

[rich adder]

there is literally so many ways to use it , can be overwhelming at first

[split plover]

nah bro trust me 🔥

[rocky canyon]

yup thats it tho.. thanks 👍

[rich adder]

btw isnt InputAction serializable? You could assign it in the inspector anyway

[naive pawn]

it's french, of course it is

[naive pawn]

don't you need InputActionReference

[rich adder]

ahh yes thats one

thats how much I don't use that...yet..lol

[rocky canyon]

i believe this is the way im using it

[rich adder]

for now i stick to "Generate C# " class and just use type safety

I will probably regret it during rebinding though lol

[rocky canyon]

thats the reason im doing it this way ^

i believe

[naive pawn]

im just using sendmessages now, and i agree with nav on this

[rich adder]

SendMessages was so easyy

OnMove
bam done..

[thick spoke]

so i got these classes. i am trying to call them from another script. doesnt seem to work the way i thought they did, i am tryna find a way around a serialized field then dragging the script, anyway to do it incode or nah? i dont want inheritance

[rich adder]

you didnt add the namespace its declared in

[naive pawn]

do you really need namespaces though

if you're a beginner you should probably just avoid them to reduce complexity

[rich adder]

also why do you have 2 PlayerMovement classes lol one MB and one poco

anyway if you wrote FirstPersonMovement.PlayerCamera then it would work

[rocky canyon]

public FirstPersonMovement.PlayerCamera cam; or

using FirstPersonMovement; //in header

public PlayerCamera cam;

[split plover]

So before i do this im gonna assume it is 100% a stupid and non performant way of doing actions by switching action maps every single time i want to switch between the character moving and attacking

and i should probably jump put everything in the same action map anyways

should i do it anyways

[rocky canyon]

i havent alot of experience with input system but that does sound silly

[thick spoke]

i should?

[split plover]

like would it be smart so i could learn the input system better

[rocky canyon]

anything u can do will help u learn.

[rich adder]

if you wanted it to be recognized..

[rocky canyon]

even if it doesnt work out

[split plover]

yeah it could make for a really unique game idea too

[split plover]

True i probably wont do it

[thick spoke]

holy shit, it worked, tysm

[rich adder]

namespaces are like folders your classes are stored in

[rocky canyon]

nav mentioned it first but np 🍀

[split plover]

The real fix was not trusting myself ❤️

[thick spoke]

yeah i didnt know i had to mention them entirely, it hought it was visual organizing

[rocky canyon]

if u store things in a namespace u have to reference that namespace somehow

[rich adder]

nah that would regions

#region Fields
private int one;
#endregion```

[thick spoke]

i see, understandble, tysm guys

[round orbit]

Im making a car game but
I'm stuck trying to make my car drive properly, even though I added a Rigidbody and tried some scripts it just doesnt move

[rocky canyon]

forces are too low.. or the rigidbody is too heavy / too much friction/drag

forces being too low is the first thing i always check

[round orbit]

i can sent screen shot if you want

[rocky canyon]

the code would be more helpful

[round orbit]

kk

[rocky canyon]

possibly a screenshot of the Hiearchy setup and Inspector of them

[split plover]

holy shit the error is back

fuck this im using keycodes

[round orbit]

btw i got the code from yt

[rich adder]

are you sure it was not null after Start method ? how did you verify it was working

[ivory bobcat]

Maybe show the new error and it's stack trace

[rocky canyon]

Errors can be gatekeeper for other errors...

just part of the process

[rich adder]

that can be multuple things on 32

you have to log and see which one is null

before use put Debug.Log

[split plover]

i already know its the M1Input

i tested before

[split plover]

i tested it is the exact if statement

[rich adder]

then again.. you need to test it in Start and see if its assigned

[ivory bobcat]

Movement script seems to be null

[split plover]

im just gonna make sure M1Input = playerInput.actions.FindAction("M1"); this is perfectly fine right (the action is called "M1")

[round orbit]

this is the code

[rich adder]

look put this line

M1Input = playerInput.actions.FindAction("M1");
Debug.Log($"isM1 null? {M1Input == null} ")`

[split plover]

Its not null

oh

ill put that instead i just put Debug.Log(M1Input);

[rocky canyon]

ohh weel colliders 🤢 .. sorry i can't help with those

[round orbit]

maybe i need to do it in a diff way?

[split plover]

Its not null

so like now im just confused

[rich adder]

then its probably movement as Dalphat mentioned

[rocky canyon]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/physics/prometeo-car-controller-209444 if u want u could download an asset that works out of the box and perhaps inspect their setup.. and their code

[queen adder]

maybe I'm missing something but I don't see where you're actually moving the car?

[rocky canyon]

or even adapt it to what u need

[round orbit]

kk btw i got the car from asset store maybe the problem is in the model?

[rocky canyon]

its within these functions

[split plover]

Im so confused it only stopped working once the M1Input started working 😭

im genuinly going to go insane

[round orbit]

maybe i need to add binds or smth

[rich adder]

because you fixed 1 error and now moved on to another most likely
if its a NRE stopping the rest of the code cannot run

[rocky canyon]

u can test ur input.. with Debug.Logs

[rich adder]

thats the way these things go

[round orbit]

i did test it with debug

[queen adder]

is rotating the wheels what moves the car? I would have expected you'd just wanna apply a velocity or force to the whole rigidbody

[rocky canyon]

go step by step.. first log ur inputs and see if they're working..
then so on and so on

[queen adder]

could be a friction thing

[rocky canyon]

nah, the wheels rotating are just visual..

[split plover]

no like i even removedthe M1Input part before and the main code started working perfectly so i know it was working before

[rocky canyon]

it kinda slides to be honest..

[round orbit]

i can send the rig body if you want

[split plover]

atp should i just put everything in a single script so i dont have to deal with this

[rich adder]

again only way to know is to put Debug.Log before that if statement and check each item that can be null, then go from there

you cannot move on to something as a fix without finding the root cause

[rocky canyon]

wheel colliders are rough to work with.. (even as someone thats experienced).

[ivory bobcat]

When you modify too much code, the inspector could reset some fields. Your movement script variable is null atm

[rich adder]

probably 80% of dev is debugging

[rocky canyon]

i prefer hovering cars with raycast suspensions.. and fake wheels

[queen adder]

then where is the car being moved? it just looks like he's rotating the wheels by adding a torque

[split plover]

I dont know why it would be null

[thick spoke]

another random question, so after i called my class from the other script, can i just like... make it run the entire class? exacly the same, no changes

[rich adder]

thats why we Debug lol

[round orbit]

whats that

[queen adder]

yea this would be a much better solution imo

[rich adder]

wdym "run the entire class"

[ivory bobcat]

Use your eyes and look at where you're setting it's reference (through code, inspector, etc)

[split plover]

wdym where im setting its reference

[naive pawn]

it's just when a serialized field's name changes, because the inspector/serialization just sees one field appearing and another disappearing

[ivory bobcat]

Where do you assign movement script it's value-reference?

[rich adder]

eg
myItem = someValue

or inspector does the same

[split plover]

above start where i assign all my other variables

holy fucking shit

[ivory bobcat]

I'm pretty certain that's where it's declared..

And that you're assigning it through the inspector

[round orbit]

and if i do it that way will the wheels move like a normal car does

[rich adder]

did you assign MovementScript in the inspector

show that

[split plover]

wdym in the inspector?

[rocky canyon]

ay yea it is torque that moves it

[rich adder]

before coding anything you should probably learn what the inspector is..

no offense lol

[split plover]

I mean i know what the inspector is

[rich adder]

so what confusing about what I asked lol

show the inspector for where MovementScript is

[rocky canyon]

100... u can still rotate the wheels with code.. (can tie it to the cars velocity.. so the faster the cars moving the faster the wheel graphics are spinning

[split plover]

I just dont know what you mean about assigning it in the inspector

[rocky canyon]

so ur basically just using physics to move the actual car.. and the wheels are just there as graphics.. and whats keeping the car up off the ground would be raycasts (suspension forces)

[round orbit]

can you send me a vid link pls?

[split plover]

it doesn't even let me do that

[rich adder]

just screenshot it

[ivory bobcat]

It's a public field that I'm assuming you're assigning through the inspector. Also, wth is up with this line in Start?

[rich adder]

Jinx

[split plover]

wdym

[rich adder]

that IS WHY its null

[split plover]

thats where i assigned it

[rocky canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr4eb4F9PSQ&list=PLyh3AdCGPTSLg0PZuD1ykJJDnC1mThI42

[round orbit]

thanks

[split plover]

okay should i select capsule then

[rocky canyon]

i think this is a good one.. its a long series.. so it goes into lots of details

may not be what u want. but u could def learn from it

[rich adder]

you have to drag inside the object with that component

[round orbit]

btw can i message you in dms if there is a problem

[rocky canyon]

nah, i dont accept DMs sorry.. but u can feel free to ask here

[split plover]

well it doesn't do null errors anymore

[rich adder]

great minds think alike hehe 😏

[rocky canyon]

im not the best person to be asking tho.. im anti- unity wheel collider 😄

[round orbit]

yeah but there is a chance that you are not online when i ask

[naive pawn]

which is why you should ask here

[rich adder]

what does that mean? did you assign it now and it fixed?

[split plover]

Well the if statement itself still isn't working but atleast im not getting any errors

[rocky canyon]

unity actually has a documentation page that goes thru their wheel colliders.. and how to set up cars in the heiarchy and so on

let me see if i can find it for u

[rich adder]

at least you can see with some basic debugging these are easy fixes, just gotta breakdown and narrow down where the issue is to fix

[round orbit]

kk but first ima try to watch the tutorial

[rocky canyon]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/wheel-colliders.html heres all the info you'll need

[split plover]

I dont like the idea of easy fixes taking this long 😭

[round orbit]

kk thanks

[rocky canyon]

the 4th one is important 😉

[ivory bobcat]

You've got to be a bit more creative in your response. It's a rule to help better acquire support and not just make folks explain everything because a person is unwilling to explain what they do not understand. #854851968446365696

[round orbit]

ok..

[rich adder]

well for now its not as quick but with time you get to them quicker

I used to be hung up on a problem with a string being misspelled and spent 3 hours on it..
just the way these things go

[split plover]

The problem is that i don't even understand why i don't understand or what i don't understand

i feel like im blind in all of this

[thick spoke]

so basically, i called the class. i just want it do the exact same thing that wirtten in that class, i edited the script, i tried calling it using a function, but seems i am struggling

[split plover]

oh god

that just sounds horrible

[rich adder]

yes which is why I started Opting for Components and type safety instead of Tags 😛

you live and you learn

[naive pawn]

"easy" is always in hindsight and relative 🙃

[split plover]

just making sure this is the left mouse button right

[rocky canyon]

nav getting messed up by string formatting?? what in the world.. cant be lol

[ivory bobcat]

So.. which part of my response were you not understanding? There were two parts. You can only pick one at a time to work on.

[naive pawn]

i mean.. what else could it be

[winter plover]

    public void FadeOutVig(float duration)
    {
        StartCoroutine(FadeVig(1, 0, duration)); // from transparent to opaque
    }
    
    public IEnumerator FadeVig(float startAlpha, float endAlpha, float duration)
    {
        float elapsed = 0f;
        while (elapsed < duration)
        {
            canvasGroupV.alpha = Mathf.Lerp(startAlpha, endAlpha, elapsed / duration);
            elapsed += Time.deltaTime;
            yield return null;
        }
        canvasGroupV.alpha = endAlpha;
    }

any idea why the FadeOutVig(); doesnt do anything

[rich adder]

damm has it really been 5 years since I picked up unity...time flies..

[rocky canyon]

u debugging any of those values to see if they're doing what u expect

[split plover]

Im at the point where still everything i search up isn't working and its the only thing i could even think is wrong with it

[round orbit]

btw the game im trying to make is smth similar to the need for speed games (i know its hard to do but i have 3 months and i think that i can at least do the basis)

[thick spoke]

soooo... i think i am doing everything possible wrong

[winter plover]

what do i debug

[polar acorn]

What do you mean "Called the class"

[spare mountain]

like does assigning alpha actually change anything
and is the lerp moving

[polar acorn]

Also you have functions in your function

[rich adder]

why is everything nested in that function

[naive pawn]

you're putting everything in a method

[rocky canyon]

wont know until u try.. and once u do u'll get a better idea of what u want to do.. whats working for u whats not working for u..

[winter plover]

everything in the entire script works but the lerp

[rocky canyon]

theres always alternative ways to do everyhting in unity

[naive pawn]

you should probably step back to learn basic c#

[thick spoke]

cause i just want to call the function, nothing to edit, just purely there

[thick spoke]

got a point

[polar acorn]

Okay, so, you have a variable of that type? Is that what you mean?

[round orbit]

kk

[rich adder]

you can't just cram everything in there and expect it to do what you think it does

Update wont run properly if its nested inside another function @thick spoke

Unity wont be able to find it

[thick spoke]

i tihink so...

[spare mountain]

print elapsed inside the while loop and see if it's doing anything

[polar acorn]

So, you've made a variable named playerCamera that can hold an instance of your PlayerCamera class. What do you want to do with that reference?

[rich adder]

You might need to follow a tutorial or somethign, seems you're just guessing your way through this lol

[thick spoke]

...oh.... any ideas around it before i go re-learn c#

[naive pawn]

also what is canvasGroupV

[polar acorn]

What are you even trying to do by wrapping Update

[rich adder]

you havent really explained what you are trying to do.. forget the "calling the class" part. explain the end goal here

[winter plover]

canvasgroupV is a canvasgroup

[thick spoke]

"if it works, leave it"

[split plover]

If im using the left mouse button do you guys think its just fine to use a keycode? cause like who would even wanna rebind that anyways 😭

[rich adder]

but it wont "just work" lol

[rocky canyon]

just letting u know now tho... wheel colliders are rough.. (said that bout 3 times already)... maybe an Arcade setup is better for what ur going for..
unless ur making a racing game or something arcade car controllers are pretty good..
(they involve just basic rigidbodies that are hovering off the ground w/ raycasts and "suspension forces" with the wheels drawn in after..

or theres a version thats just a ball (sphere) thats rolling around.. and u then draw in the wheels..

but again.. its up to you. i'll let u cook now 🔥

[polar acorn]

Does it work though

"If it works, leave it" is a fine heuristic -- if it works

[split plover]

coding is one thing that i feel this only works if you dont understand the code yourself, which if you wrote the code there is probably an issue there and if you didn't write the code then you should probably atleast try to understand it

[rocky canyon]

https://x.com/i/status/1107783904784715788 like this

Kenney (@KenneyNL)

How the arcade-like car controller was made; big sphere rolling around, car model just copies position. Raycast down to find ground normal for car. Sphere gets force based on car model direction. Tilt/wheel turning/etc. all lerps. #gamedev #unitytips

X · Mar 18, 2019, 11:20 PM

[winter plover]

well, the elapsed just stays at 0 forever

[naive pawn]

those first two points are just, incorrect?

[round orbit]

kk

[naive pawn]

is your timescale 0

[winter plover]

my timescale is fine

[split plover]

I mean if you wrote code and you dont understand the code then there is an issue isn't there

[rocky canyon]

ya, never seen a baby run first and learn to crawl second 🙂

[winter plover]

wait wtf i just realized why is elapsed frozen

[round orbit]

im trying to make the driving more realistic.

[split plover]

i mean i learnt to fall before i learnt to stand 🔥

[rocky canyon]

okay.. then ya if u want realistic i'd say give wheel colliders a shot 🍀

i wish u the best

[rich adder]

not exactly something easy to do, thats why assets exists

[naive pawn]

yeah, which is why you generally shouldn't do that
you understand it first then you write it

analysis before synthesis

[split plover]

so wait you were disagreeing with me before but now you're agreeing with me?

[round orbit]

kk i will see which one to use

[round orbit]

kk

[rich adder]

this video helped me greatly, its raycast based.. it has a nice feel
https://youtu.be/CdPYlj5uZeI?si=2iEkdyBl_xDPB9Q9

[rocky canyon]

^ yes thats the setup i was describing earlier

he also does that with his character controllers ^

unique feel for real

[thick spoke]

@polar acorn @rich adder so i am tryna attempt to make a script, where i can call functions from it. as you saw, i have a class in Script A, i managed to call that class from Script B. after that, i just want the code there, like if i paste this code rn inside the script, it works perfectly fine. i want to do the exact same thing, but call it from another script.. i doubt you understood a thing

[round orbit]

kk thanks

[ivory bobcat]

You'd reference the instances

[polar acorn]

Which functions from your script do you want to call

[naive pawn]

this only works if you dont understand the code yourself
this implies you just don't know enough about code yet - you just need to learn more
which if you wrote the code there is probably an issue there
code you write yourself generally doesn't tend towards have issues. sure maybe the first time you missed something, but just because you wrote it doesn't mean it'll have issues - this again just points to inexperience, trying to write code before you actually know what you're doing
if you didn't write the code then you should probably atleast try to understand it
this is true

I mean if you wrote code and you dont understand the code then there is an issue isn't there
it's certainly an issue, yes - it just shouldn't happen. if you don't understand it, you shouldn't be writing production code, you should be trying to understand it first

[rich adder]

https://unity.huh.how/references/serializing-component-references

[thick spoke]

thats the point, i dont have a function to call :/ i am tryna just cram everything to 1 function and call it, which is quite wrong, i tought it would work for some reason

[thick spoke]

let me see

[polar acorn]

So if you don't have a function to call... why are you trying to call it?

[split plover]

my point is that if you dont understand the code you wrote, there is a problem, and if he's able to use the excuse at all then there is kinda an issue cause it would mean he doesn't understand the code

[polar acorn]

What are you trying to do

[naive pawn]

i think you're throwing everything into "call the thing" even though that's not really what you need

[winter plover]

scriptname.ThisFunction();

[thick spoke]

i was trying to create a function, by basically pasting ym entire code inside of it and hoping for the best, it obviously didnt work

[naive pawn]

if you don't understand the code you wrote you probably shouldntve written it

[polar acorn]

Don't try to use code words, you don't understand them. What are you trying to actually do

What is the thing you want to be happening

[thick spoke]

i think all i need is to learn c# from scratch

[ivory bobcat]

Make a public field. Drag and drop the object you want to reference (using the inspector) into the field. You will now be able to access all public members of that object.

[split plover]

I mean yeah

[thick spoke]

idk its quite hard to explaini already did that part

[naive pawn]

what is it that you're actually trying to do with the class

what are you trying to achieve

[polar acorn]

Right. Now, what are you trying to do with that reference

[naive pawn]

you're falling into an x/y problem here

[thick spoke]

let me try, i just want to run the class inside of another script, like i got a script which hold some classes, i want those classes to be called and ran in other scripts

[polar acorn]

You have an object in a box. What thing do you want that object to do

[polar acorn]

That's more code words

"Run the class" is nonsense

Stop trying to use code words

Tell me using actual things you want to see

"I want this cube to move when I press W" kind of stuff

[naive pawn]

what is the outcome you want

right now you're talking about what you're trying to do to achieve that outcome

[naive pawn]

see the link here

[ivory bobcat]

I think you're misunderstanding stuff. Classes don't run. You can run code from a class instance in another script by referencing the class instance.

[polar acorn]

You know what, I have an idea. Let me rephrase how this works into something more familiar:

[thick spoke]

i wnat the class to run without writing the whole code in the same script, i want 1 big script, hold all classes/functions, and from other script, i just say, run this thing

[thick spoke]

gulp-

[naive pawn]

classes don't run
that's just not a thing

[thick spoke]

yep, and thats exacly what i am tryna figure out,

[polar acorn]

A Class is a Cleanroom, full of Machines. You can have your Bender and Extruder and whatnot in the Cleanroom, right? Each one of those machines does a specific thing. You give it a metal plate, and it spits out a metal pipe. Right?

[naive pawn]

@thick spoke go read the link here

[thick spoke]

yeah i know thats where i am lost, i want smth similear to that

[winter plover]

were getting somewhere, i figured out that when i touch the triggerbox, time.deltatime freezes completely. i just need to fnid where that happens

[naive pawn]

we have no idea what you want because what you said just doesn't make sense lol

[naive pawn]

so that would imply you're setting timescale

[winter plover]

no!

im not

[polar acorn]

You set up your AE2 wires to feed in a bunch of different kinds of metal, and your cleanroom routes those metals to your various machines, and spits out the results

[thick spoke]

i want wireless connection, so basically it got my stuff inside the cleanroom with a ae2 wireless connector, when i want smth from it, it sends in the items and the output gets exported into my ae2

[naive pawn]

are you getting multiple elapsedTime/deltaTime logs?

[polar acorn]

So, when you're setting up your auto-crafters, you just put the Interface on the input of your cleanroom, and let the machines work, then you pipe it back into the AE2 system

That is calling a function. A function is a singular machine.

A class is a cleanroom.

It's a collection of machines, some of them might feed into each other

but the cleanroom itself doesn't do anything. It just holds the machines

[winter plover]

nope, just one number around at 0.3 - 0.4, after i trigger my jumpscare/triggerbox thing it freezes it (debug.logging in update)

[polar acorn]

They need to be in the cleanroom to actually work, but the machines are what do the work

[thick spoke]

is it possible to call the entire cleanroom at once? basically a chain reaction, or a ae2 subnet, it gives items, it does everything on its own and just gives you the output, which the thing you actually care

[naive pawn]

what do you mean by "freeze" exactly?

[polar acorn]

There's no such thing as "Calling a cleanroom"

The cleanroom simply contains the machines

[naive pawn]

the cleanroom doesn't do stuff. it is stuff. you can have the stuff inside do stuff

[thick spoke]

pattern providers ontop of input hatches basically

[winter plover]

like its moving
0.34
0.4
etc etc

jumpscare happens
frozen completely at the specific value it froze at, like an example:

0.368382

[thick spoke]

i am tryna do a subnet, give it items, and filter teh storage buses and see how it goes

[polar acorn]

Right, but a cleanroom that doesn't have any machines in it isn't going to do anything, right?

[naive pawn]

and you're getting multiple logs that say that number?

[winter plover]

one debug.log, all i did was
Debug.Log(Time.deltaTime);

[sour fulcrum]

basically a chain reaction
(a chain reaction implies doing multiple individual things)

[naive pawn]

but are you getting multiple logs

[thick spoke]

yeah, but i think i got my machines in the picture i sent earlier, right?

[winter plover]

no, one log

[polar acorn]

Let's say you've got a cleanroom that contains a single production line. You'd still need a machine to start it, and that machine pipes into the next, into the next, and so on. You're not giving items to the cleanroom, you're giving them to the first machine in the chain

[winter plover]

oh wait

yes

im getting multiple

@naive pawn

[naive pawn]

cool.. you ghost pinged someone lmao

[winter plover]

ye

[polar acorn]

The cleanroom just passes the items along to the first machine

[naive pawn]

you don't need to ping at all, i'm still in this chat

[winter plover]

wait look

it froze at that, then it never gave more logs

[naive pawn]

so no that's not "freezing"

[winter plover]

i didnt timescale in any script

at all

[naive pawn]

is the entire game/editor frozen?

[thick spoke]

oh yeah, got a poin

[winter plover]

no, no timescales in any script whatsoever

[ivory bobcat]

So get a machine to specifically tell all of the other machines what to do. The clean room doesn't actually do anything other than house the machines.

[winter plover]

nothing

[naive pawn]

that's not what i asked

[rocky canyon]

if u have a class u dont want running at a certain time its simple as Disabling the script (component) or disabling the entire gameobject

[thick spoke]

ok let me rephrase my question using gtnh

[polar acorn]

Explaining Code using GregTech Metaphors

[winter plover]

ye, i answered the first one too

[naive pawn]

frozen as in, can you interact with anything in the game/editor

[winter plover]

yes

i can interact

with everything as normal

[naive pawn]

ok so there's not actually any issue with Time.deltaTime then

the loop just exited normally

it wasn't "frozen", nothing was frozen there

[winter plover]

but it just stops?

[naive pawn]

so have you checked elapsedTime?

[untold seal]

i'm new to unity, any tutorials or tips i should use for starting out?

[naive pawn]

the logs stopped, not Time.deltaTime

[rocky canyon]

check the pins

[naive pawn]

check out !learn and the pinned resources

[eternal falcon]

:teacher: Unity Learn ↗

Over 750 hours of free live and on-demand learning content for all levels of experience!

[untold seal]

thanks 👍

[rocky canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFt_AvWsXl0fnA91TcmkRyhhixX9CO3Lw : my default response

[winter plover]

but that doesnt make sense, elapsed is still equal to 0 (even tho im setting it to deltatime)

[naive pawn]

you aren't though, you're adding deltaTime

[winter plover]

so i should set it equal ur saying?

[naive pawn]

can you show your current code

no, you should not do that

[winter plover]

//////////////
    void Update()
    {
        Debug.Log(Time.deltaTime);
    }

    public void FadeOutVig(float duration)
    {
        StartCoroutine(FadeVig(1f, 0f, duration)); // from transparent to opaque
    }

    public IEnumerator FadeVig(float startAlpha, float endAlpha, float duration)
    {
        float elapsed = 0f;
        while (elapsed < duration)
        {

            canvasGroupV.alpha = Mathf.Lerp(startAlpha, endAlpha, elapsed / duration);
            elapsed += Time.deltaTime;
            yield return null;
        }
        canvasGroupV.alpha = endAlpha;
    }

[naive pawn]

oh the log was in Update

[winter plover]

yea

[naive pawn]

so.. the object got destroyed/deactivated or the component was disabled

[winter plover]

i have it in update

[winter plover]

the object of?

[naive pawn]

you shouldve had it in the coroutine - debug the values where theyr'e actually being used

[naive pawn]

the object that the component is on

[winter plover]

u mean the script component, right?

[naive pawn]

..sure?

[winter plover]

ok wait i think i know why now

this is prolly why.

wait

[naive pawn]

so if the component was destroyed, the object was deactivated, or the object was destroyed, then the coroutine wouldve stopped

[winter plover]

what if i just disable the Is Trigger

on the trigger

instead of destroying

can i do that

[naive pawn]

that would make it a solid collider, probably not what you want

[winter plover]

hm ur right

so what can i do

[naive pawn]

i have no idea what you're trying to do

[winter plover]

idk

either

[naive pawn]

you do though..

what is your game supposed to do

[winter plover]

what if i just disable the box collider completely 😭 😭

[naive pawn]

https://xyproblem.info

go read that

figure out what behavior you want it to actually have

what the flow is between these actions

i'm not psychic, i don't know what your game is

[winter plover]

i can just send u the script

or the specific part

[naive pawn]

use your words

what is your game supposed to do

[winter plover]

well when you hit the trigger

it makes the canvas fully visible

[naive pawn]

perhaps form a complete thought before hitting enter

[winter plover]

when u hit the trigger, canvas goes fully visible (canvasgroup)
monster movement happens using a while loop to transform the position to a set target position using an empty gameobject
destroy the monster and trigger to avoid double collisions

[naive pawn]

ok, and what does destroying the trigger represent

[winter plover]

forgot it

[naive pawn]

what does it achieve though

[winter plover]

a jumpscare

😭

[naive pawn]

i meant what does destroying the trigger achieve lol

[winter plover]

avoids double hits

like if the player walks in it again

it might re-trigger it

i dont want that t o happen

[naive pawn]

this is for when the player hits the trigger?

[winter plover]

yes

[naive pawn]

so this script is on the trigger?

[winter plover]

i used a ontriggerenter, where it checks if the collider was the player and it starts the MoveMonsterJumpscare Coroutine