archived-pricing-updates-talk

[open epoch]

i'm still in college, i need to learn some fairly good game engine before i graduate...something that ensures my career

[agile spruce]

Nothing ensures your career

[forest crown]

I think the Godot job posting will be starting soon. But yes, if it comes to job offers, Unreal is the best choice (was even before the pricing-drama)

[craggy rivet]

It has in the indie space

[silent raptor]

exactly, the current situation with unity just shows that the competition in the game making toolkit market is limited as well as the fact that there is a huge issue with the copyright and patent laws.

[agile spruce]

Least of all, a program in game development and design. There is an overabundance of people wanting jobs, and not a lot of jobs available.

If you want to ensure your career, choose a different tech path.

[warm cloak]

Yup. Nothing is ensured but Unreal is your better bet.

[open epoch]

i really appreciate u giving me philosophy advice..but bro i jus wanna learn a engine that has future

[forest crown]

There are a ton of commercially successful games made with Godot. Even one of the Sonic games is made with Godot

[icy roost]

The indie space isn't really that important per say to the conversation, overall larger companies with actual employees will never opt in for godot

[cerulean lintel]

unity has a future. unreal has a future. godot has a future. flax has a future. source has a future. they all have a future.

[placid moss]

lern programing a few years them chose a engine

[vale tinsel]

I'm giving godot a chance

[slim bough]

Don’t think thats true btw, godot is just used as like a menu wrapper

[icy roost]

A official Sega game was made in Godot? Link

[warm cloak]

Sonic Colors: Ultimate

[craggy rivet]

Raw Fury publish a bunch of Godot games which is cool to see

[forest crown]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Colors

[icy roost]

to continue being inferior to ogre engine

[open epoch]

except me ig

[placid moss]

for godot, unreal or any other engine sure for unity im not rly sure depense of the update ^^

[cerulean lintel]

are you an engine? :P

[slim bough]

Open that link homie I don't think they used godot for a Wii game haha

[warm cloak]

?? It literally says in their wiki that they made the port in Godot?

[icy roost]

Alright, it seems as if they made whats basically a 2010 mobile game in Godot, not really that impressive but I retract my statement

[forest crown]

God, I send you the link, you can read there?

[slim bough]

They used godot to partially port the in house sonic engine's graphics to dx11. it's slightly misleading as an example of a game made in godot

[forest crown]

I'm out of this convo. Not interested in "this is a bad engine" stuff. All engines have their advantages and disadvantages.

[slim bough]

I mean that's not really the convo thats happening here but ok

[icy roost]

Name one way Godot is better than other engines and not just it being forkable! I'm genuinely curious

[wary sedge]

Sure, you can find me at gate D25 in Amsterdam airport, I'll be here for the next hour 45 minutes

=^..^=

[tacit tusk]

chernos take: https://youtu.be/CyAh-aca_Mo?si=UgAKpxMNTbF9BRIg

[oblique marlin]

Compared to Unity? You don't have to wait a few seconds every change you make to GDScript. Worst I've seen for C# is 6 seconds on a 5950X.

[slim bough]

(In fairness with third party stuff you can get that going in Unity too)

[broken hornet]

In godot it will apply changes without restarting playmode even?
with gdscript

[warm cloak]

There's pros and cons for every engine. Every single one does something else slightly better than the rest. It's just a question of which one suits you.

[placid moss]

fanboys incoming 😄

so make it simple and look for youself unity v1 2005 when came the first real commercal game out with unity?
unity startet a real grow after unity3

open source
gdot 2014 first release
now we have 23

unity was a not popular the first 7-8years and allmost no one have know till unity version3!

[slim bough]

No one is saying godot not having a commerical release is a diss homie...

[placid moss]

i dont talking abut commerical release bro 🙂

[slim bough]

?????

[warm cloak]

Just because there's a thousand and one voices out on the web spouting speculation, has anything from Unity themselves actually been confirmed about potential new pricing structure?

I've heard this 4% if over 1 mil thing being tossed around but have yet to see it actually confirmed.

[slim bough]

Unity has only said changes are coming in some certain way.

Official insiders who have access to NDA information have implied the news is noteworthy / in the right direction to some extent

we don't know anything more reliable than that

[oblique marlin]

I haven't checked but then I don't do it in Unity either

[tacit tusk]

the info I've been sent is different to what bloomberg leaked, just wait until unity announce

[silent raptor]

there is a lot of misconception on the pricing from youtubers as well.
The document clearly said you will start paying if you have 200K downloads and 200K income from the game annually.
The fact that corpos think they can tax us by looking over our income like the government is pretty punchable on their own right but it essentially means that free games won't be affected by this.
And i'm sure it's legal if you make the game free to play but get money through donations.

[warm cloak]

Okay, dope. Thanks! I don't trust bloomberg leaks or reddit posts, I'd rather actually hear it from the horses mouth, so until they spit it out, I'm still under the impression they're "working on it".

[slim bough]

The fact that corpos think they can tax us by looking over our income like the government
If you make over 200k you have to give Unity that information regardless

[torpid jay]

My exact sentiment. Which is why I’m still working on my game.

[weary oxide]

free games that make money from cosmetic subscription etc.. will be effected

[silent raptor]

I mean if they put trackers on the game they will find out.
But no way I'm actively going there and sending an email saying "here is my pay."
And besides, the program is free.
If this business model is approved legally then anyone, maybe a baker or a shoemaker or a restaurant owner can just ask you revenue share they want from you retroactively based on your income.
"Ahh, you see, you made 500K a year, I should get 2% of that becomes you got that money after eating the breads that I made. You wouldn't be able to do it, if you didn't."

[slim bough]

No I mean like if you make over 200k you have to report it fullstop due to their longterm TOS and stuff, it's genuinely like fraud otherwise. this isn't anything new

[warm cloak]

Yeah, self-reporting is not the issue. It's an agreed upon thing.

[silent raptor]

bruh, it's a free program and who gives a shit what they say on their website.
What, are you gonna give the number of your credit card if unity asks you to?

[weary oxide]

they dont need to put tracked if your game is successful they will know just from the player base

[slim bough]

who gives a shit

Your countries tax agency?

[silent raptor]

The program was free to download on their site, I downloaded it and that's that.

[warm cloak]

No, but if you want to continue using their engine after you made a wad of cash, then you agree to self-report your income so they can take their cut. It's literally a basic asf Terms of Service agreement.

[slim bough]

you earned over 200k using their program. that's not just that 😭

[bitter tinsel]

bro west ppl ain’t waking up

[weary oxide]

do you get taxed for in game purchase in your country?

[agile spruce]

It's 9AM, relax

[silent raptor]

that's dumb. Why are you all allowing this.
There is something seriously wrong with your own laws and regulations.
I'm honestly surprised that you guys are okay with corpos just retroactively asking any amount they want on an engine that they made it to be free.

[agile spruce]

On the eastern side of this continent.

[silent raptor]

Ahh, yeah, you assume that I purchase games but sure.

[slim bough]

bro uninstall cyberpunk and touch grass, this is applicable to pretty much every major country. this isn't even a Unity problem that's just how tax related practices generally go

[weary oxide]

there is nor wrong or right if u dont like it you just dont use it , unless unity is the only game engine then i agree with you

[silent raptor]

nah, this is the first time I heard of this shit.
I guess living in a 3rd world country, I wouldn't know.
Still I think you guys abondaning your beloved program over greedy corpos is the real tragedy here.
Personally I think you should rebel against the laws that are set place.
But if you wanna play passively that's fine too

[slim bough]

Life isn't all the animes you watch.

[elfin sail]

doesnt work that easily

[vestal dune]

There's plenty to be angry at but the self reporting of income and potential financial audits is such a weird hill to die on because that's been standard operating procedure for software licenses since Xerox in the 80s

[weary oxide]

rebellion never led to any good , france styed in 100 year war cuz of it

[bitter tinsel]

Personally I think you should rebel against the laws that are set place.
That's....what happened?

[humble cove]

The exodus and threatened exodus is forcing Unity to change, so we have to thank the community for raising their voices here. 👏

[bitter tinsel]

Did you not see the blowup that happened on every social media? And all the big name studios changing engines?

[fair vigil]

we're supposed to wage war

[bitter tinsel]

tbh there's no way to fully recover from this scandal. They've become a meme like "Do you guys not have phones?" (Despite the wrong guy being credited with saying that XD ) at this point they're aiming to not go bankrupt with the changes

Which if they do rev-share and fix their terms, mission accomplished really

[weary oxide]

if unity dies it will be more lose for game devs than the unity itself

[warm cloak]

I can't say why but the rumor of Apple buying out Unity puts a fear in my nethers..

[bronze magnet]

I think this is right, remembering back to the days of Flash.

It took a LONG while before something as magical as flash formed.

[main rune]

Ye

[weary oxide]

unity pro 5k a month

[molten phoenix]

Still nada?

[humble cove]

Everyone has the right to leave, it's just whether they come back that will determine how Unity progresses.

[bitter tinsel]

In War everyone loses 😭 you're not wrong but people can change engines. Flash died. Is Unity willing to die the villain?

[vestal dune]

Just look at how many people bought Diablo 4 anyway. People just wanna be angry they don't wanna do anything about it. People's righteous indignation ends as soon as they're expected to be mildly inconvenienced

[bitter tinsel]

I mean no one wants to switch engines but they will if they have to. No one's sticking around for install fees I can guarantee that XD

[vestal dune]

It's 6am in california

[molten phoenix]

Prime news posting time

[warm cloak]

Maybe? But also, perhaps also pulling away from consoles and more aimed at mobile for their Iphones. Which, if you've fecked with Apple Creator stuff is a pain.

[weary oxide]

tru , but also we lose some competition

[plucky vortex]

Kinda hope Microsoft buys Unity hehehe

[warm cloak]

I'd be okay with that!

[bitter tinsel]

"I'd be okay with <insert company> buying unity" XD also a pity we can't use X anymore since it could refer to twitter (although I'll never say twitter is X what was elon smoking)

[weary oxide]

apple is kind of moving away from just portable devices after the apple arcade so i dont think so

[warm cloak]

Oh good, I work retail and just had the Iphone 15 launch today. yeeesh Never wanna see another Iphone.

[weary oxide]

but will be weird seeing the new unity pricing "Unity Pro Max plus"

[craggy rivet]

I feel you, I worked for Three in the UK for two years and iPhone launches were traumatising

[spark shard]

Hey friends

[nocturne crow]

sound like a version of cloth detergent

[warm cloak]

Oh man, Nintendo bought Unity? It'd just be Mario Maker 3.

[chilly wraith]

Microsoft should buy Unity and remove the entire leadership from the company...

[waxen reef]

apparently there’s an update coming today

[bronze magnet]

But then microsoft would own Unity and that kinda sucks.

[unreal scroll]

Nonono Trump bought unity to develop fake games 😉

[tacit tusk]

that would certainly help

[weary oxide]

microsoft had good run with xna i dont think they gonna do it again

[bitter tinsel]

Western people be sleeping too much fr

[tacit tusk]

xna was cool 🙂

[bitter tinsel]

terraria is made on xna

[chilly wraith]

Not more than what they are doing now... and Microsoft owns gamestqck tools (playfab) as well as (obviously) xBox etc ... so they have an eco system for it

[weary oxide]

xna used to get c# version very early compare to unity

[warm cloak]

AND Stardew! One of my favorite games!

[bronze magnet]

Unity is under terrible leadership but it's a real Faustian bargain to advocate for it getting bought out by microsoft IMO. Just an opinion though.

[chilly wraith]

Sure but it is the lesser of all other evils ...Apple buying it is worse... keeping it public is a guarantee that it will be hollowed out even further

[tacit tusk]

In the last 3 to 4 years, the only feature of unity that has been good for us is the burst compiler (and the new math library which is amazing) - everything else, meh, total trainwreck

[warm cloak]

For reals, someone over at Unity posted an AMA over on Reddit and they mentioned that, if I recall correctly, Microsoft was going to buy them out and then it fell through and then they brought in the current CEO. I kinda doubt Microsoft will touch it now.

[fierce cobalt]

did they really revert the pricing changes?

[nocturne crow]

Changing directors and CEO is gamble anyway. Microsoft has more incentive to make unity become better for success of Xbox and hololens

[warm cloak]

Can't recall CEO's name... Ricky Shitpants? Randal Crapballs? Can't recall. 🤷

[fierce cobalt]

John Riccietieleleitllo

[nocturne crow]

Riccitiello

[tacit tusk]

if the rumours floating around are true, the updated terms are even worse and affect even more people... just wait for the announcement though, it could be fake-news

[warm cloak]

Johnny RickRoll?

[fierce cobalt]

actual cartoonishly evil company oml

[surreal basin]

when is it supposed to drop?

[craggy rivet]

morning pacific time

[warm cloak]

If the rumours are believed, it should be "today".

[tacit tusk]

I think most people are expecting it to drop very shortly

[surreal basin]

hmm it is like christmas, only that you dont get presents but bad news

[vestal dune]

The only rumored updates I've seen are capping the fees at 4% for games over $1M and that's a pure improvement. What "rumors" are you talking about

[tacit tusk]

some more stuff leaked from insiders, but it hasn't spread too far yet

[warm cloak]

There's so many flying around. I'd highly suggest waiting to hear it from Unity themselves.

[foggy haven]

nice try

[tacit tusk]

yup, just wait

the stuff i read seemed worse, so I'm hoping its just fake - I'm waiting

[pliant raven]

Microsoft is a very different company than it used to be. It helps that when companies reach a certain size and age, they often stop being so growth-focused. Sure, MS wasn't a great actor in the industry for a time, but currently they've become pretty decent. They did hike license prices when inflation hit, which made a lot of people mad, but that's not like Embrace-Extend-Extinguish monster of old.

I think MS would have destroyed Unity if they'd bought it years back. But if they bought it now (I don't think they will as acquiring a publicly traded company with the market cap of Unity is too expensive) things would be different.

I think it is more likely that MS would try to license the engine (and some of the tooling, including the editor) and making it part of their own offering. It is not particularly likely to actually hapen, I think, but such a deal is possible, whereas an actual acquisition is off the table I think.

[warm cloak]

I mean, I've seen "rumors" that Unity is specifically targeting mobile shovel ware users and are going to make mobile phone users install an additional app that "authenticates" their Unity mobile games. It's insanity out there. 😂

[tacit tusk]

just wait for the reveal 🙂

[warm cloak]

Oh yeah, I'm sayin' that's how ridiculous the rumours are. There was no basis for this theory. No evidence. Nothing. Just "Unity is making new app!" . . just wait? Instead of speculating and reading garbage?

[radiant sail]

If we don't speculate, there's nothing else to talk about until they make an announcement

[gloomy bane]

the specifics would have to be evaluated in each case - acquiring Unity would be a natural fit for several of the tech giants, and given its market cap is 1/7th of Activision Blizzard that MS recently made a move on, it's definitely not out of budget

[tacit tusk]

at this point, I would say unity is a juicy target for several large companies

[oblique marlin]

Seeing how MS were a few years back it'd have become Visual Studio 3D 😛

[warm cloak]

Oh blood is in the water, for sure.

[high mural]

Visual Studio: Unity lmao

[pliant raven]

1/7th? Wow, I'd underestimated how much the share price has dropped. Yes, I agree with you.

[tacit tusk]

if the marketcap goes below 10billion, expect a hostile takeover

[pliant raven]

Visual Game Studio

[warm cloak]

Visual Game Studio has a bit of a ring to it, tho..

[high mural]

Unity Game Studio works too

[radiant sail]

oh yeah that wouldn't totally mess up trying to google visual studio

[high mural]

or just Unity Studio for short!

[warm cloak]

If having a lil trouble googling it is the worst of our troubles, it'd be a net win, tbh. 😂

[wanton dagger]

Inb4 games are now released as extensions for visual studio

[tacit tusk]

watch the share price for signs of someone aquiring a boatload of shares...

[radiant sail]

I wouldn't mind if Microsoft bought Unity, but then there's a non-zero chance they would spend a little less time optimizing the code for the competitor's platforms.

[tacit tusk]

it could happen today

[pliant raven]

.NET is pretty solid on linux

[radiant sail]

I guess I was talking more about Sony and Nintendo platforms

[delicate orbit]

I am hoping someone with experience can answer this
Unity is charging less than Unreal for its pricing
however there is a lot of outrage over this pricing
I cant name names but someone I work with said Microsoft and Sony are in chahoots to push public perception to avoid this price change from happening (shareholders are a btch right)
I find it gross of course but im curious if this has been discussed here if at all, and how many people are aware of how much this price change is actually scaring MS especially
for me I just find the whole thing hilarious.

[warm cloak]

Sounds kinda conspiracy theory-esque.

[tacit tusk]

just sit and watch today, it should be interesting

[delicate orbit]

well factually
Unitys charging less than all the paid game engines right now
which is why conspiracy is spawning lol

[high mural]

Yeah that sounds a bit nutty to me, how are they going to push people about this thing when i don't think anyone from either of those companies have said much about this whole thing that i've seen

[tacit tusk]

silence from all the industry big players is very telling imho

[high mural]

Most of the outrage isn't about the pricing itself, it's about how they are applying it to existing games and the method of billing based on installs

[warm cloak]

It's true that the Big Three talk between each other constantly, like everyone assumes they're at each other's throats 24/7, they literally want competition. They discuss their game launches all the time to ensure they don't fight over a single window and can all prosper. But is there some shadow council that tries to sway public opinion? No.

[delicate orbit]

I will ask one of the blender developers I discussed this with if hed share what he knows here
he told me its not confidential but ill try and find some public information before trying to send him here

but tbh
im not happy with paying for unity
but I am at least glad Unity is charging less than all the other game engines at the least

[oblique marlin]

GameMaker is cheaper. Just saying. 😛

[agile spruce]

Unity needs the money in the end. If they don't make it, they're not going to last, anyway.

[delicate orbit]

i would not compare gamemaker rpg engine to unity lol and that too, unity has been bleeding money for years now

[high mural]

Yep if they don't someone else will do it for them lmao

[idle sigil]

So any news ? I've been busy

[agile spruce]

So it's a matter of which point you want to jump ship lol

No

[tacit tusk]

most people are expecting an announcement any minute now

[fast wedge]

My next game

[warm cloak]

Yeah, I was confused for a sec but forgot about Plus going away. So Unity at 2000 a year or Gamemaker at 1150.

[high mural]

i'm hoping they push out something soon if this is correct https://twitter.com/willgoldstone/status/1705115457664036996

[craggy rivet]

It's currently 7am pacific

[high mural]

indeed

[tacit tusk]

yea, it looks like bad news, affecting many more developers, but lets see

[nova cliff]

I just started learning unity 2 weeks ago should i jump ship?

[fast wedge]

I'm going to sleep anyway

[timid quest]

man, really waiting

[oblique marlin]

GameMaker might still be cheaper than Plus (it's $99/yr for desktop and mobile. console license brings it up to $799/yr).

[agile spruce]

$1150 is indeed cheaper thatn $2000

[timid quest]

so, when?

[warm cloak]

If you don't want to stay with Unity. Do it now. You probably haven't had time to acclimate to Unity so there's no real time lost. If you wanna stick around, then stick around

[agile spruce]

You don't require a license with Unity anymore (as of the last update, who knows ab out the upcoming one). But prior to that, it was revenue based.

[warm cloak]

I have, really, just one need for the upcoming update. Keep Johnny PickleRick away from it.

Too soon for me to tell? It's different. Learning new engines are like learning new coding languages, it takes a bit of time. It does seem very good for 2D stuff though.

[timid quest]

my godot keeps on crashing on a nothingburger 2d project

[oblique marlin]

Word from people who have been analyzing it is there are performance worries

[tired hedge]

guys if unite is 20 cents per install but not do too good then mayb u put ad in ur game and unite advertise there for 20c - all good.

[tacit tusk]

all of this is about to change... wait for the announcement

[tired hedge]

i wait for nothin

[weary oxide]

i dont know tbh but game maker fell good for 2d

[placid moss]

ok the shold put ad inside the games its ok its fine... i see the stock crashing after this news haha

[high mural]

Unlikely, the particular issue is very core to how the engine and scripting languages work and the eta for fixing potentially that i've seen is godot 5 lmao

[warm cloak]

I'm assuming 9AM Pacific Time for the announcement. Which is.. like 3 hours from now. Ick. Sitting up till 1AM for me. 😭

[tired hedge]

if unite catch u bad mouth - 40 c per install

[tacit tusk]

stay awake, set an alarm... 🙂

[placid moss]

just check above same result 🙂

[warm cloak]

I'm an old man, Delz! 😂

[weary oxide]

2 more hours?

[tacit tusk]

same 🙂

[high mural]

It does seem like they might be able to optimize it a bit before then but not to the degree that it should be

[tired hedge]

should have to take loan and put inunite bank so they save money have to collect from shrimps

[warm cloak]

The theory behind Godot is that because it's open-source, an influx of Unity refugees will do a lot for the engine's developement. Think of everyone making Unity Editor extensions and stuff and then let them actually change how the engine works. They'd performe miracles.

[tired hedge]

no more chase shrimp boi round asking ' we see u did 5 installs on ur mario clone pay up' just take and take real good.

[oblique marlin]

Even if they don't this situation brought Godot's funding from ~€22K to ~€50K.

[warm cloak]

Hot damn. That's a nice chunk of change.

[tired hedge]

not 1 good game made in godot

[surreal basin]

so far

[tired hedge]

even 50k euro not nuff to pay light bill at unite - unite big dog

[rain ibex]

so may i ask tho, what happened to the software Audacity, (there was a privacy/track drama about Audacity) and what about now?

[tired hedge]

what in world audacity have to do wit this u jabshrimp

[tacit tusk]

I ported a unity game to godot, and it looked almost identical (some of the post process effects were different, that is pretty much all)

[tired hedge]

ya but i said good game

[oblique rapids]

cruelty squad, core keeper?

[craggy rivet]

Cassette Beasts is probably one of the most acclaimed games I've seen release this year and that was Godot

[main lily]

You are replying to an obvious troll

[tired hedge]

listen george have unite logo so now i agree fine

[placid moss]

unity worth under 12bil 2-3days according to the information they were worth 13b+
what it say? bad choise just cost 1b for a week so we can burn money how much install unity need for it? lemme calc just a second
...
...
...
ok 5b installs

[warm cloak]

The Sonic Colours port is the thing I've started pointing to. SEGA used Godot in a commercial product. It's fine.

[bitter tinsel]

I’m grateful for it only being 20 cents it could have been 40

[tired hedge]

yea it def could have been 40 and i wrote in diary maybe ....maybe even 45

[bitter tinsel]

Gotta count our blessings

[oblique rapids]

wild and criminally insane take. just because it's 20 now doesnt mean it wont be 40 later, hell, doesnt mean it wont be a full dollar later.

[bitter tinsel]

Can you tell the futures

[oblique marlin]

It's easy to be grateful if you're not making anything 😛

[tired hedge]

u kno if u say 'unite u did a bad' and unite say 'no i still love the game and u' and u so nomore. then maybe unite not come back to you

[oblique rapids]

???? are you the type to get shot in the stomach by a random individual and instead of being upset you say "at least he didn't get my heart"

[bitter tinsel]

Wtf?

[warm cloak]

I think it's less about the amount and more about the underhanded way this was pushed out. It came outta nowhere and fecked up a lot of people's way of doing business.

[tired hedge]

u just jealous bczu u want to be big corpo but u just shrimp corpo now

[bitter tinsel]

Too real

[oblique rapids]

literally sitting down and being fucked over by massive corporation, "gotta count our blessings", ? why we literally got fucked over and unity is profiting off our suffering?

[tired hedge]

honest unite shoulda charged 5 an install and then no more shrimpers in the pool if u no what i mean

[open thunder]

Charging per install is ridiculous in the first place, doesn't matter if it's half a cent, still ridiculous

[tired hedge]

u gotta make a game that actually pays unite b4 u can say suffer

maybe unite should charge more if ur game has bad reviews too

[open thunder]

absolutely lmao

[agile spruce]

For the record, the engine is called unity, not unite. Lol

[limpid vine]

Pokemon Unity was made using Unite

[open thunder]

ahhh same thing, don't sweat the details

[tacit tusk]

it might get renamed X

[tired hedge]

oh sorry im not too good at type but i try to do unitey more

[agile spruce]

Unite is the upcoming conference and my brain keeps reading it like that

[oblique rapids]

unier should honestly stop this whole pricing thing and instead charge people 50% of what they've made + 2 dollars every year, much better system

[warm cloak]

Anyone know if Unite is being livestreamed or anything? Or is it just wait till it's over and the people there report?

[tired hedge]

i saw some crypto so cheap to do transaction u may see unitey do pay per second played in futur

[oblique marlin]

I hope it's livestreamed. I want to see if anyone actually shows up.

[tired hedge]

dont be silly unitey biggest in world - ppl beg to go even if 5 dollar per install

[open thunder]

with the death threats and all? i wouldn't feel to confident about going on stage

[warm cloak]

Oh people will probably show up. Might be to throw spoons, though.. 😬

[oblique rapids]

honestly thats so real, paying by install makes it so that one guy can play for 2 seconds and another guy can play for 50 years and im charged the same amount for both? that doesn't make any sense. they should charge a cent per second played

[plucky ivy]

did u guys hear a unity employee whos been there since 2008 said there is good news coming and its gonna be announced when US wakes up. and there are huge changes

[placid moss]

you reach 100point on the troll scala 🙂

[warm cloak]

Yep. We're awaiting the news via Unite.

[open thunder]

sounds like something the ceo would actually do

[plucky ivy]

im more hyped for this than i have been for a game release

[tired hedge]

hopeful news will be unitey require bank account to make free account so save money collectin

[tacit tusk]

lets wait and see 🙂

[oblique marlin]

Wait. Isn't Unite in November?

[tired hedge]

or make every thing in asset store 10 dollar minimum

[subtle aspen]

I saw his tweet but I scrolled away now I can’t find it

[tired hedge]

maybe put ads on assets in game too if u havent paid unite yet

[warm cloak]

Was it Unite? I think someone said prior it was coming via Unite and I just took that and ran with it.

[open thunder]

• 0.02% the cost in royalties to the creator per install of your game

[craggy rivet]

No, that was an unrelated message. Unite is in november, news related to the runtime fee is expected today.

[warm cloak]

Ah thank you for the confirm!

[tired hedge]

yes wood be good johan because i made every type of spoon in 3d and got so many installs but now run out of budgt to do forks

u kno countin u should have to pay 20c for that comment

[plucky ivy]

that tweet from the 2008 employee sounded hype af so now im prepared for amazing groundbreaking news and literally all problems will be solved and everyone comes back to unity and its gonna live forever

[tame herald]

any news from unity ahbout this?

[tired hedge]

ban any1 who come ask that

[warm cloak]

I am sitting up till the wee hours of the mornin' eagerly awaiting the news.

[tacit tusk]

there is a leak circulating around developers, but it could be fake, just wait

[tame herald]

ban who?

[subtle aspen]

I feel that, it got me super excited but now im like THAT WAS THE POINT

[craggy rivet]

I wouldn't put yourself out, this is happening on US time so it could be a while

[plucky ivy]

hes been there since 2008 so if he says its good news then its gonna be a banger

[tired hedge]

what is banger

[warm cloak]

But I must George! The masochist in me demands it! 😂

[craggy rivet]

whenever stuff goes out i'm going to specifically request a note be added telling you to go to sleep

[subtle aspen]

We’ll the tweet said it was waiting for the us to wake up, it’s like 10 on the east coast could only be an hour away

[subtle aspen]

I hope so… like really really hope so

[tired hedge]

any shrimp can say they work uniety but u dont kno its real

[craggy rivet]

Unity announcements are based on pacific time, which is currently 7:30. No confirmation of actual time though.

[tacit tusk]

careful what you wish for...

[golden valve]

Will confirmed they were waiting for the west coast

[craggy rivet]

Will Goldstone very much works for Unity

[weary oxide]

1 hour and half from now?

[oblique marlin]

Will said embargoed until "US wakes up". I'm hoping for 30 minutes from now.

[subtle aspen]

That’s why I said like an hour or so around 8:30 9

[tired hedge]

some1 say unitey pay u wit this new update - who know who know

[craggy rivet]

Just trying to set expectations that it might not be immediate. The US are just starting their day

[bitter tinsel]

Yes the workday starts at 8am and it's ~7:30 (for them) right now so if they go for earliest time possible then we're looking at 30m from now.

[warm cloak]

I'm gonna be pessimistic and say 4 hours from now. Which puts it at 2AM for me. That's not too bad.

[golden valve]

I asked him about it and he confirmed it is until the west coast wakes up. I don't expect anything earlier then in one and a half hour to say at the least

[open thunder]

Is there an update going out today?

[grizzled dawn]

Oh wow Terraria made a strong statement against Unity recently.

[oblique marlin]

Yes, according to Will's twitter.

[tired hedge]

most devs start 9am becuz sleep from too much brain use

[weary oxide]

which one?

[open thunder]

Awesome

[warm cloak]

Terraria ripped into John Rickinwall.

[grizzled dawn]

Go to terraria's twitter (I mean mfking "X") account. You'll see one of the recent post there.

[weary oxide]

trhe mono games one?

[warm cloak]

... damnit Rickinwall sounds too close to a real name instead of an obvious goof one.

[tired hedge]

twitter no twitter nemore u gotta say x or noone kno what you talkin bout

[golden valve]

TwitterX 😄 I also still keep uing Twitter. I simply refuse X 😄

[grizzled dawn]

Not just monogame but also I think $200K donations towards open source engines

[tired hedge]

maybe musk buy unitey and make free if u buy tesla

[subtle aspen]

Twitter X sounds like a gamer tag from the early 2000

[weary oxide]

ye i know abt it from last day they gonna pay 300k up front then 2k month

[grizzled dawn]

Hell nah. Fuck no

[grizzled dawn]

Yeah, based Re-Logic moment. Everyone uniting against Unity now lol

[tired hedge]

listen u get to choose - 1 free unitey for life or 2 free tesla

[warm cloak]

If that moron Musk touches it, I'll lead the goddamn revolt.

[oblique marlin]

Specifically Godot and FNA. I love how insane that is for the latter.

[weary oxide]

its good thing so they dont make the same mistake again but i hope we dont lose too many unity developers

[placid moss]

im pretty sure the will do the same again 🙂

[grizzled dawn]

I mean Re-Logic stated trust is broken and we should move on even though they don't use Unity. But I want to see what will happen after today's update.

[grizzled dawn]

The CEO is an asshole. Expect same shit again in future. Unity is also in loss from a long time so they will do some shady stuffs anyway.

[tired hedge]

i think announcment could be they need to raise more

no more freeloaders

[tacit tusk]

bye bye unity personal?

[oblique marlin]

I'm hoping that Unity only has one edition and a revenue share. I'm tired of dealing with Unity Personal and Pro swapping depending on the project. Not that I'll likely stay with it at this rate.

[warm cloak]

Never forget. The current CEO is the guy behind EA's greedy reputation.

[tired hedge]

EA is world class so no wonder unite been so strong

[warm cloak]

Well now you're just fishing.

[bitter tinsel]

News out or no?

[weary oxide]

EA make profit unlike unity

edit : they even make there in house engine

[tired hedge]

EA have more hit games than most - not even debatable

[dark gulch]

if you have the unity news role, you'll be pinged when it happens

[bitter tinsel]

i’m so impatient😭😭😭😭

[tired hedge]

u just only repeat what u meme on innernet

[grizzled dawn]

Unity has unstable business so it was obvious they were going to do some shady stuffs sometimes in future to start making profits. We just didn't expect it.

[ivory jewel]

Prepare your put options

[tacit tusk]

investors clearly got the info early

[oblique marlin]

Unity didn't need to do anything shady though. They could have just done a rev share. Some people would have complained but most people would be fine.

[dark gulch]

im sticking with unity for the long haul, because im dumb, or something, idk. Im hoping for the best with it cuz the engine itself is really good!

[weary oxide]

i hope they get plus back or else im out

[tired hedge]

if take poll - most complainin never even finish mario clone much lessed sell game

[plucky ivy]

i bet splash screen removal is gonna be free

[warm cloak]

Did.. something good happen? The stock went up? WAT.

[tacit tusk]

there is a leak floating around

[weary oxide]

ahh that is good too , splash screen atm is badge of shame

[grizzled dawn]

Didn't they promise they will stay Royalty free forever so having revshare would actually get them lawsuits they can't defend?

Also the reason they refuse to call the leaked changes revshare instead of fee system deez nuts

[tired hedge]

stock never really that down in big picture any way

[subtle aspen]

one of the employees from like 2008 said a bunch of good news is on the way but nothing actually said yet

[tacit tusk]

dream on

[subtle aspen]

. . . it was like a hair away from passing it's lowest point in the last 5 years

[oblique marlin]

I've heard that but the things they were originally going to do might have led to lawsuits too. And definitely led to companies leaving for other engines.

[tired hedge]

thats like all companys this year

[grizzled dawn]

Unity gathered all the developers over the years while going into complete loss just to do this kinda shit now.

[warm cloak]

Listen, I'm hoping for a middle of the road. I don't wanna pay 2k a year to remove a splash screen.

[weary oxide]

i mean even when they made profit was not that high

[tired hedge]

so dont pay it wut your problem

[oblique marlin]

Middle of the road isn't likely to bring anyone back.

[tired hedge]

if they just charge to start a project in unite they will make big bucks as so many shrimp dont finish game

[warm cloak]

Probs not? But at this point, it's better than nothing. Which is a depressing mentality but a realistic one, i think.

It'll be a tourniquet for the wound that the CEO has inflicted.

[tired hedge]

y so dark - not big deal like that

[plucky ivy]

will's announcement sounded hype so theyre probably gonna make it better than it was before. right?
right?

[carmine pendant]

David Helgason is probably the only one that could bring people back. Unity has to make a better product (i.e. engine) than its competition with a face that people want to trust.

[tacit tusk]

the stock price is going up, that should give you a clue that what is coming is an epic shift - no more unity free perhaps?

[tired hedge]

john i hope they raise price more now so dont have to raise agin for while

[eternal badge]

investors have zero clue, it's all speculation - they're just guessing that the new terms will be better (which they probably will to SOME degree... the question is how much)

[plucky ivy]

huh? that's supposed to be the "good news" the 2008 employee talked about?

[weary oxide]

why so many people look down on unity its pretty powerful peace of tech

[subtle aspen]

for the next like 20 minutes to maybe 4 hours it's all speculation until unity says their piece

[tired hedge]

they rly just hate unitey bcuz reminds them they never finish game

[warm cloak]

I think stock going up is from this new news as well as just floating back up after the original blow it took.

[main lily]

Maybe wait for the actual announcement instead of listening to random people on a channel half filled with trolls

[oblique marlin]

It has a ton of features still waiting to be finished years after they were introduced.

[eternal badge]

it's probably because of the pricing update they recently announced that makes any successful game made in the engine a financial risk, OP

[tired hedge]

not true

[weary oxide]

what is not true?

[warm cloak]

Ahhh I don't really look down on Unity itself. I love the engine. I just can't support it at this time.

[near crane]

as long as there's heavily corrupt people controlling the Unity engine it's hard to support it no matter how good

[vast seal]

Better not to engage 😄 , I mean, it's a nice comedy routine they are doing and all, but if this person's stuff results in actual drawn out conversations, it just fills the channel with too much nonsense, heh.

[eternal badge]

yeah that's the sad part, the engine does rule in a lot of ways. we used the localization package a LOT this year and that specificially kicked ass. not looking forward to figuring out localization in other engines

[tired hedge]

u being too dramatic - unitey gonna do just fine.

[indigo sluice]

"corrupt" is way too dramatic lol

[delicate orbit]

this is just straight up misinformation
if a successful game in unity is a financial risk then how is the same not said about Unreal Engine which charges even more lmao

[warm cloak]

I wouldn't say corrupt. They're greedy and don't seem to know how to connect with their community at all but they're not evil. They're just stupid.

[plucky ivy]

seems they're listening to the community and putting out some good news if will's tweet is true. so thats already better than many other CEOs

[near crane]

brothers, have you even researched the people who own Unity rn

[tired hedge]

ppl act like unitey wants games not make money - makes no sense they would go out of business

[elfin sail]

because you cant go negative with Unreal's pricing

[vestal dune]

Well you see the difference is there's no current moral outrage against unreal so if I say they do something bad no one will give me good boy points and think I'm cool

[tired hedge]

unitey public company - this aint some anime or soap opera with evil villian owner

[oblique marlin]

Installs are cheaper than 5% royalties now?

[indigo sluice]

you mean the management or the shareholders??

[vestal dune]

4% < 5%

[near crane]

they are doing it to save face since their nature is being business men finding ways to control and milk it's customers, ironsource, paypal mafia, and others all have their hands deep into Unity, it's reality, and I'm talking about the board of directors / CEO the biggest shareholders in the Company, who might as well be "management"

[elfin sail]

hasnt been confirmed

[oblique marlin]

That was only ever a rumor

[delicate orbit]

lmao exactly
its just like how people are unaware of unity having higher fidelity lighting than unreal engine
the marketing gets to them and their opinions are formed by whatever popular think is at the moment

[weary oxide]

they are scared from the idea of mass install that is all

[tacit tusk]

4%+$2k per seat >= 5%?

[tall trench]

Hey there guys, wanna ask you a question

[half canopy]

the 4% are not official.. currently its still per install and yes you can go fairly easily negative with high volume free2play games

[weary oxide]

4% is the max you might pay less than that

[warm cloak]

Go ahead, budd.

[tall trench]

does any of you guys work as freelance game devs?

[eternal badge]

it's not misinformation because a percentage of revenue is fundamentally different from a fee for each install. a 5% rev share will always be 5% of your revenue. a $0.20 install fee hits you differently depending on how you distribute, what your game is currently priced at, etc

[vestal dune]

Ah, I see, we believe rumors when they're bad but we must verify any rumor, no matter how credible, if it's good

[tired hedge]

Uh someone teach this person that percent of rev is not percent of profit and is potentially way worse than 20 cents fixed/knowable cost....

[tall trench]

i wanted to know with how things are going with unity right now, do you guys think that there will still be demand for unity devs on the freelance market?

[elfin sail]

The runtime fee was announced by Unity itself. Nothing else has been said from Unity yet. One is a rumor, the other is not.

[tired hedge]

just becaus ur club penguin clone cant sell for 19 cents now not end of world... need to think bigger

[glass harbor]

I don't think anyone can answer that with any accuracy right now.

[vestal dune]

Unreal's 5% is also revenue

[echo thunder]

Are they really gonna remove Splash Screen?

[subtle aspen]

well... let's wait a few more hours to find out

[tacit tusk]

unlikely, they might add an unskippable 5min advert to it though

[tired hedge]

yeah but game dev bad at math digi and litterally miss how much worse that is in big picture they too busy think bout sell club penguin clone 19 cents

[oblique marlin]

Cryptic message from Will seemed to suggest it

[tall trench]

yeah i couldn't find any discussions online about it, unity is really a big part in the freelance market for game dev (if not the biggest demand) so idk how much these changes will impact that

[delicate orbit]

again youre making a guess at something that has not happened yet. 🥱
facts>your fears
and you are misrepresenting the 20 cent fee does not apply to everyone.
Paying for a unity subscription the overall cost is much cheaper than unreal engine
go by the numbers because thats all that matters

[pliant raven]

Remove as in not having a Unity splash screen at all? That's not very likely. As to what versions can customize and/or remove the default Unity splash screen? That is probably going to change. We'll just have to wait and see how and if.

[plucky ivy]

what if they just ignored us and kept forcing big fees without listening to the community or making any sort of changes at all? cause theres companies who do that. so at least unity isnt THAT bad

[echo thunder]

The leaks says it will be removed

[tacit tusk]

insider trading needs to be investigated after this

[spark ravine]

so they didn't backtrack there changes ??? runtime fee still there ?

[warm cloak]

I think it's very shakey ground at the moment and a lot of freelance devs are keeping their heads down until either good news comes or they migrate.

[tired hedge]

u sell 1 mil with 5% rev you pay 50k smakaroos - thats equivalent 250,000 installs at 20c. You can't make 50k in 250,000 installs u need leave market

[subtle aspen]

we don't know the update is still pending release

[vestal dune]

Literally wait like 40 minutes for them to post the update

[plucky ivy]

wait what leak? cause the one posted on bloomberg did not talk about a splash screen. source?

[tall trench]

the crazy thing is i don't know if unity will stay or just completly die out in terms of freelance projects in demand, unreal is a second in terms of demand on popular freelance sites and i found very very few people asking for hiring godot devs

[spark ravine]

40 min they will post today ?

[tired hedge]

nothin happens - unite still king u will see

[weary oxide]

i mean some devs are in hot water and they cant just leave now after 2-3 years of development so i think demand will be there or you can learn skill that translate to all engine like 3d modeling or drawing

[warm cloak]

Guys. There is no actual time for the announcement it is just "Pacific Time. Morning".

[craggy rivet]

Again, setting expectations that it might not be immediate when the West Coast folks start.

[vestal dune]

They're posting something today and it's almost the start of work hours in California, where Unity HQ is located

[indigo sluice]

we don't start work til 11am on the west coast
cali time

[pliant raven]

Automated sales as a way to divest the restricted shares given as part of compensation packages is completely normal and not insider trading. If someone "manually" sold shares prior to an announcement which would affect the share price and/or based on knowledge not available to the public, then the SEC can and will investigate it, but a lot of people are mistakenly assuming any sale falls into this category. That is very much not the case.

[dusk crane]

isn’t it with unreal that after 1mil cross revenue, you start paying 5 cents per sale

[spark ravine]

oh it's 8am in california but it's 4 pm for me hhh

[tacit tusk]

I'm talking about people who have the information already...

[delicate orbit]

its a touchy subject but lets be real
the people most scared of unitys pricing are the bigger entities, out of your mind if you think sony or ms is going to allow them to be charged that much
there is a reason many games arent being developed on UE5 in the aaa industry, only because it costs more than unitys pricing
now big tech is clamoring at the pushback from the indies who dont understand the change and they will capitalize on it, regardless of your opinions

[elfin sail]

They might not post anything until markets close for the weekend

[tall trench]

yeah i plan on still using unity and trying out freelance with it but i don't think it will as big of a market for unity in 1-2 years with what is happening right now, better grab a couple gigs before the entire lake of unity offers dries out

[echo thunder]

Here. You have to read it very carefully

https://forum.unity.com/threads/unity-plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates.1482750/page-298#post-9353243

[tired hedge]

u make good game with unite actually have to pay a fee then worry about engine 2nd game

[subtle aspen]

or open, if they expect it to be good and get a bunch of people to buy

[echo thunder]

This link shows Unity will remove Splash screen and go with 2-4% rev share

https://forum.unity.com/threads/unity-plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates.1482750/page-298#post-9353243

[oblique marlin]

Simply having the info already doesn't mean it's insider trading otherwise no one would be allowed to trade if they worked inside the company.

[weary oxide]

also some of the thing you learn in unity do translate to other engines

[vestal dune]

Yeah, it could very well be that the sales were set up specifically because of this announcement, but good luck convincing any judge that with the paper trail of automated sales, so even if we assume the most malicious intent nothing's gonna happen.

[elfin sail]

markets have been open for 2 hours

[warm cloak]

While I'm not a fan of CEO, it is more likely than not that it was an automated sale and just terrible timing.

[tall trench]

yeah but from what i see unreal is the good option, although i would prefer to use godot as an alternative there seems to be very little job opportunity for godot devs

[tired hedge]

I hope splash screen lasts 5 extra secs so you can really rep your engine and then unitey will get more devs and more money

[subtle aspen]

.... that's .... 🤣

[plucky ivy]

wow is he allowed to do this?

[magic salmon]

🤔

[spark ravine]

bro stop trolling

[subtle aspen]

this is true

[plucky ivy]

nono hes got a point. it checks out

[echo thunder]

No wait, that isn't a troll. The leak has been done very smartly. Read what replies says

[weary oxide]

i fell like UE will be much better to learn cuz not only indie use it even big company's

[thorny gazelle]

I think people are setting expectations too high for this leak. It’s quite possible that this was unauthorized and now the announcement is delayed.

[elfin sail]

big companies use Unity too

[spark ravine]

big brain

[bitter tinsel]

unity really trya copy UE tax

[tired hedge]

and shrimp company use godat

[plucky ivy]

isnt that a breach of NDA tho. hes literally telling us the stuff hes not allowed to tell us

[tall trench]

yeah it's limitations though are 2d stuff

[subtle aspen]

you do know nintendo uses unity for some of it's games right? like unity isn't an indie only engine

[pliant raven]

That is visible from the SEC related statements. It is not possible to fake an automated sale set up far in advance. For example, the Unity CEO sales some people are talking about are perfectly legal, and he has no control over them. And this isn't something anyone has to convince a judge about. The SEC can and will investigate and prosecute this (if it hypothetically was insider trading). It doesn't end up in a courtroom unless the SEC decides it should. There has been no real indication of insider trading so far in the somewhat sensationalist videos by various influencers.

I'm quite critical about this runtime fee and the business strategy of Unity in general, but allegations of insider trading are quite serious, and it is very irresponsible for the various influencers and vloggers who bandy this about without properly understanding or even researching the subject.

[oblique marlin]

Bethesda and Blizzard both have made Unity games 😉

[warm cloak]

Pokemon made a game in Unity.

[echo thunder]

That is why we call it leak lmao.

[tired hedge]

if pokeman does it and u think u cant then u not serious dev

[weary oxide]

i know we are talking abt him learning other engines other than unity

[subtle aspen]

all he did was post a bunch of movies he wants to watch, nothing wrong there

[tacit tusk]

he forgot the final message ARMAGEDDON

[warm cloak]

And to really confuse people, Will also suggests: Quantumania. Wait, what?

[tawdry dirge]

Good morning.

Good news coming today, embargoed until US wakes up - but from what I’ve seen it’s very different.

Once it’s out I can talk about it candidly instead of all the dumb cryptic stuff I’ve been posting. Sorry about that.
https://twitter.com/willgoldstone/status/1705115457664036996

[distant zealot]

Us is up let’s go

[vestal dune]

Yeah, I'm just pointing out that even if you're a Charlie Day red string conspiracy board whackadoo who thinks this was somehow all calculated from the start, it's just never going to be prosecuted so there's no point in bringing it up at all

[tawdry dirge]

so, hope we get something good. been a LONG wait

[drifting gyro]

Hello yes I am US please gib update now.

[spark ravine]

people talking in leak language hhhh

[elfin sail]

a long "couple" of days

[tired hedge]

I am tellin all who listen - unitey goin to raise price more and u need to be happy when happen

[delicate owl]

Thanks for being the voice of reason and not at all trolling @tired hedge

[raw frigate]

fuck man i cant decide on a new engine tbh

[distant zealot]

What kind of coin jiggle game that sounds lit

[warm cloak]

Literally nobody is listening.

[tacit tusk]

your favourite unity shill going live in 30mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj1DqaQlZCs

[oblique marlin]

It matches the "2 (but sometimes up to 5)" of XKCD 1070

[tired hedge]

your welcome jval

[elfin sail]

https://linktr.ee/fuckedbyunity in case you havent seen this and need more options

[rigid moon]

my money dont jiggle jiggle it folds

[delicate owl]

no one said EARTH days. checkmate!

[tired hedge]

unitey been too cheap for too long - not good for the market. look at flood of bad games from every1 free acct

[delicate owl]

we're like 1/125th into a Venusian day

[warm cloak]

Awh man, I had my watch set for Saturnian days..

[raw frigate]

im looking at either flax or cryengine at the moment (woah 30 secs???)

[tired hedge]

if unitey support have to listen to one more support case about shrimp bois club penguin clone not working in free version of unitey they will have to raise price AGAIN

[pliant raven]

I work in the financial sector, and insider trading can and will be prosecuted. There was a prominent case related to NVIDIA some time ago, and the SEC regularly investigate and prosecute cases. But a lot of people go look up the reports of executives who sold shares, whenever there is some controversy or scandal, and they just assume insider trading.

Such individuals set up automated, regular, sales exactly to avoid any suspicion of insider trading. This is also needed to avoid being taxed rather aggressively. If an executive goes beyond what is necessary for tax purposes, the board will likely get upset, as the market doesn't positively to such a setup. The CEO of Unity holds a rather considerable amount of stock. Whatever one may think of him, this whole affair is costing him a lot of net worth.

[tired hedge]

thing is those articles are just clickbait and easy to write - ai written because they require no brain

[raw frigate]

my main issue with cryengine is that it's got crap documentation and it doesn't really seem fit for a small team (1 person in my current scenario)

[tired hedge]

no1 talkin about cryengine here

[warm cloak]

Wait.. is Cryengine still a thing? I thought it went bust.

[craggy rivet]

Still used here and there. Crytek themselves use it, Kingdom Come: Deliverance was CryEngine.

[distant zealot]

My life is a cry engine

[warm cloak]

Oh hot dog! My childhood!

[main lily]

Hunt: Showdown

[raw frigate]

one of my favourite games, prey, was made in cryengine

[drifting gyro]

Ok hear me out right, make unity open source and public domain and everyone would come back

[oblique marlin]

Everyone would come back just to poke around and make fun of the source

[golden valve]

And that's not even including piracy.
Also install =/ revenue.

[raw frigate]

i'm trying to make an immersive sim like prey so it would definitely fit my scenario for the actual project, just not the fact that i'm a single person for now

[pliant raven]

Amazon Lumberyard was/is based on CryEngine. Haven't seen much news about that particular engine for a while. I think Star Citizen uses it.

[tired hedge]

how many 3d dragons that r lifelike u gonna hav vektor

[thorny gazelle]

And then the engine goes to shit because nobody technical wants to work form a FOSS engine.

[oblique marlin]

O3DE is Lumberyard

[distant zealot]

The names I see on discord are wild bruh

[tired hedge]

ppl just come in here makin up stuff left and right

[raw frigate]

but cryengine is pretty uncommon nowadays yea

[rigid moon]

cryengine will be unitys future depending on how they deal with current situation

[oblique marlin]

I hope not. Crytek got into trouble for not paying their employees.

[pliant raven]

Had a colleague a long time ago who told me about his job interview with CryTek. According to him they directly asked if he had a significant other, as they preferred to hire programmers who were single as those were more willing to go the extra mile and work overtime when needed. That's a pretty red flag, if I ever heard of one.

[tired hedge]

this not amatuer commedy channel this price talk - only talk price and updates

[raw frigate]

cryengine is much better performance than unreal, almost twice as fast on my system on just the demo projects

[subtle aspen]

we're in a holding pattern right now, until the update theres not much more to talk about

[bitter tinsel]

Jesus and to think I tried to develop with cryengine at one point

Tho tbh it's graphics were on unreal's level and it had C# support so it was def nice

[tired hedge]

dont take Lord's name in vain plz

[raw frigate]

oof

[tawdry dirge]

does anyone know how old Jason Weimann is? 😄 dude has the beard of a 70 old and the face of a 50 year old. but he can't be that old? 🤔

[pliant raven]

or major industry news, I guess. That's still part of the description for the channel.

[subtle cedar]

damn

[warm cloak]

CryEngine used to be the benchmark for if you had a good PC, back in the day. 😂

[bitter tinsel]

Sorry but I'm not a christian and idc lol

[thorny gazelle]

Bro looks like he’s pushing 60 dude

[rigid moon]

future: "unity use to be the engine of choice for indie devs back in the day"

[tawdry dirge]

haha, yeah was being generous

[raw frigate]

my main problem with flax is really just that nothing much has really been made with it but that's not much of an issue lmao (first flax game)

[bitter tinsel]

He's in his late 20s/early 30s but also all I heard was a beautiful beard win

[summer hill]

will the news come out today ?

[thorny gazelle]

Good lord…

[tawdry dirge]

WHAT! no way

[subtle aspen]

supposedly, we're all thinking in the next 45 mins- 6 hours

[bitter tinsel]

How do you guys think he's that old though based off only the beard like damn guys what

[raw frigate]

but yeah, performance is very important for me and unity was perfect for my scenario

[thorny gazelle]

It’s very possible nothing comes out. People have put too much stock into this leak.

[tired hedge]

this not help u pick engine channel

[raw frigate]

i dont give a shit what it is

[craggy rivet]

the "news coming today" is not a leak.

[oblique marlin]

Will has said info is coming

[warm cloak]

Yeah, news today? Not a leak. What the news is are leaks.

[subtle aspen]

i mean "good news coming today" is kinda specific

[thorny gazelle]

It’s whatever the fuck we want channel, there’s not much to discuss around the pricing updates until more comes out.

[drifting gyro]

When today?

[vestal dune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[raw frigate]

ive been fucked by unity now i need to unfuck myself

[oblique marlin]

This is the "keep the silly discussions out of the useful channels" channel

[molten phoenix]

I'd imagine 9am PST, when Jason goes live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj1DqaQlZCs

[thorny gazelle]

Oh we’re past the whole movie title riddle thing?

[tacit tusk]

info is about to drop, hold on to your joypads

[subtle aspen]

you tell us https://twitter.com/willgoldstone/status/1705115457664036996

[tired hedge]

any1 think unitey will integrate with bitcorn soon

[oblique marlin]

This was independent of the leak, and he's trustworthy

[warm cloak]

Jason goin' live in 42 minutes so maaaaybe then?

[plucky ivy]

remember when i said splash screen is gonna be removed and you said "dream on"? well it looks like it might be getting removed after all according to a unity employee 😙

[raw frigate]

bitcorn

[tacit tusk]

lets see 🙂 maybe unity personal is just going away

[tawdry dirge]

dude, don't vanish

[drifting gyro]

Idk what to tell you man as the official leader of the US I can say we are def up.

[thorny gazelle]

I’d join his discord to find out but I don’t feel like it lol

[raw frigate]

what does that mean

[tired hedge]

hopefully new license will charge anyone who ports to another engine for not having perserverance

[raw frigate]

???

[tawdry dirge]

unfucking yourself could have unforeseen consequences. no idea how it works but i saw back to the future

[plucky ivy]

or maybe 007 no splash means if u pay 7 dollars u get no splash screen? what does the 007 mean?

[tacit tusk]

license to kill indies?

[tired hedge]

yall bunch of qs over here

[subtle aspen]

you have to become unitys special service agent and assassinate other engines

[cunning gorge]

pretty sure it means we get to bond over this

[raw frigate]

we already have one here

[tired hedge]

"oh let me read this random list of movies and its gonna help me know what unitey do to me"

[icy roost]

That's all? Not a very good reason to use an engine if all you have to wait is 3 seconds and you get a better product

[drifting gyro]

Honestly I genuinely do hope they can manage to fix it.

[thorny gazelle]

It’s such a weird, specific, and unrelated mix of movies it’s probably something.

[tired hedge]

"oh no garfield move - unitey gonna eat my lasagna!"

[tacit tusk]

0.07 cents per install?

[warm cloak]

I'm kinda hoping for ditching the install fees and just straight rev share.

[oblique marlin]

If it were a one time cost I wouldn't care in the slightest. It's a one time per script change. It's not 3 seconds either.

[plucky ivy]

there's Splash and Scream next to eachother.. which obviously spells splash screen.

[icy roost]

^^^

[tacit tusk]

Daniel Craig taking over as CEO?

[raw frigate]

trust has completely gone down the drain, part of me really wishes they recover because unity really is a great engine but fucking hell they are not to be trusted whatsoever

[plucky ivy]

ok i understand it now. the first part is: tomorrow no splash screen. 100%

[oblique marlin]

It's not the "007" it's the "tomorrow"

[icy roost]

Why are you tabbing back in so frequently instead of actually programming? This seems like an issue if you're just starting a project, I prefer not to even use the editor's cop outs and just use pure code for most problems so maybe I dont have a good view

[cunning gorge]

I read somewhere there's a legal reason why they can't do rev share because they're publicly traded.. so they HAVE to reword it as install fees

[drifting gyro]

Ya, thats true. I am a bit hopeful that this whole situation will give them enough PTSD to never try something like it again.

[raw frigate]

they've already done tons of stupid shit in the past

[warm cloak]

How odd, isn't Unreal public?

[tired hedge]

"OH NO pokemon the movie - it means they gunna catch all of us and put us in balls"

[bitter tinsel]

What lmao people can't look at the discord they have to be programming?

[plucky ivy]

yep. and unreal wont have this ptsd. so unreal is more dangerous from now on

[oblique marlin]

Ah. So you don't even use Unity the way it was intended to be used. Then why are you on it again? Or so against choosing a different one if you don't actually use it?

[drifting gyro]

Ya but they didn't get this kind of backlash that's the difference

[icy roost]

Read what was being said... LOL no one is talking about discord

[tired hedge]

y'all go to the psychic to ask what to eat for lunch too?

[cunning gorge]

Epic is not public

[raw frigate]

there were defo people chosing to migrate to other engines, just not to this extent

[bitter tinsel]

I need another coffee I guess sorry. Too anxious for dem changes lmaooo

[icy roost]

I like the Library it provides, Unity doesnt have to only be for people trying to quickly make a product

[tired hedge]

unite is top notch - if u gonna bail do it now b4 they charge u for quitin

[plucky ivy]

unity redemption arc. cant believe we are gonna end up better than before. no splash screen baby!

[drifting gyro]

I wouldn't swap to unreal either tbh id go Godot or some other open source, frankly techno fuedalism is lame

[oblique marlin]

How are we defining "library"? Are you referring to .NET?

[raw frigate]

owned by tencent yea (partially)

[tired hedge]

"techno fuedalism" because you have to pay to use a video game engine you didn't build

[hexed geyser]

Oh yeah, did you see Unity will be on the TGS 2023. Good! Grab the tomatoes and throw at the CEO

[thorny gazelle]

Unreal is fucking over game devs right now by catering way too much to the film industry. I don’t imagine they’ll quit now that Unity is in the shitter.

[drifting gyro]

No because the payment is a continuous and indefinite bill instead of purchasing a product.

[thorny gazelle]

But people still swear on UE5 like it’s magic

[hexed geyser]

I'm sure why i'm so sick of this and runtime fees, so all gamers possibly use tomatoes as embarrassment.

[tired hedge]

maybe uniety should take all of your profit so you can actaully have a proper claim to being a serf

[icy roost]

Unity offers various tools when programming, call it a framework if you want(most people use them interchangeably in programming). If I wanted to build my own engine I would be using the ogre graphics engine for every project

[plucky ivy]

unity is gonna rise up from the shitter real quick after the banger of an announcement we are gonna get later today

[raw frigate]

i tried ue5 and god it runs like ass, the basic FPS demo runs at 40fps

[tired hedge]

but you actually have to make profit for that to happen

[plucky ivy]

im more hyped for unity's announcement than i've ever been for a game release

[drifting gyro]

Ive used it a bit, overrated tbh. Blueprints make it so designers can code which is probably the worst thing you could give designers the ability to do

[oblique marlin]

Great vague answer. I ask because .NET in Unity is actually fairly out of date.

[hexed geyser]

Indeed, to make things even worse, those developers don't trust what is changing.

[subtle aspen]

let's not get our hopes up, it'll be good more than likely but not the best thing ever.

[main lily]

Wait how was Unity 'intended to be used'?

[thorny gazelle]

Especially if you’re using any of Epic’s new flagship features like Nanite. I’ve been looking more into it recently and god Nanite is such a shit system

[solar sorrel]

Visual scripting exists in unity as well

[tired hedge]

ppl say the wildest falsest stuff in here like we all dont have google

[drifting gyro]

Very out of date, been rebuilding websocket myself because they don't have it and I refuse to install websocketsharp

[icy roost]

Theyre attempting to basically say Unity should only be used for the editor and visual scriping when they provide a bunch of tools for real programmers

[warm cloak]

If Jason Weimann has the news, he's goin' live in 30ish minutes. I don't know for certain though.

[rigid moon]

bolt is 1% as effective as blueprints

[oblique marlin]

You're intended to work in the editor and not just purely code-based.

[raw frigate]

yea, UE5 is pretty slow unless you're explicitly aiming for a high fidelity title

[thorny gazelle]

Having designers code is fine as long as they’re not doing anything too complex. If they’re messing with anything past simple primitives than yes it’s probably better for a programmer to take over.

[solar sorrel]

I know, I was referring to the part about "letting designers code". Blueprints are really powerful

[bitter tinsel]

Prob just gonna wait on the news alongside us and expects it to be released at noon as well now

[warm cloak]

Yeah, I'm gonna see if he is doing that and then bounce if it's the case.

[oblique marlin]

Pfft. I don't touch visual scripting. You shouldn't try to make assumptions. That seems to be why you don't seem to understand everyone here that isn't happy with Unity.

[thorny gazelle]

Being a contrarian doesn’t automatically make you smart.

[drifting gyro]

Letting designers code is like letting John tortellini choose the rev model, might look harmless but will have big problems down the road.

[raw frigate]

does anyone have any framerate/benchmarks for godot using C# and Vulkan vs GDscript

[icy roost]

Then how is it intended to be used, I don't understand?

[warm cloak]

I was literally going to say that. 😂

[bitter tinsel]

I mean it's like a 90% chance it does get released at noon/9am. He'll be covering the changes after ~5m (or however long it takes him to look over/find the changes lol)

[thorny gazelle]

Again as long as the shit they’re doing is basic it shouldn’t be too big of a problem.

[oblique marlin]

I already said it. You're intended to use the editor and not just a purely code-based approach to creating everything. That doesn't mean editor-only mind you. You're supposed to mix the two.

[tired hedge]

lol says who?

[thorny gazelle]

But obviously they shouldn’t be doing anything to implement game mechanics or anything like that.

[icy roost]

says who? im able to optimize all my code, create dynamic and easy scaleable systems with my way

[gloomy bane]

things like Unity Job System, DOTS, Nativecontainers, Burst compiler, etc - it's fun to see how many of the people who consider Godot a viable alternative don't even realise these are powerful features of Unity that don't exist for free just by using C#

[raw frigate]

i don't think you understand

[oblique marlin]

Literally all of the documentation and other learning resources made by the company that made the engine.

[tired hedge]

too many trolls in here

[thorny gazelle]

Yes you are intended to augment the flaws of Blueprints with C++.

[tacit tusk]

burst, native containers and math library are the best additions to unity in many years

[tired hedge]

esp vector math

[oblique marlin]

You're not wrong on those features, and this situation with the licensing is annoying me because I liked DOTS.

[raw frigate]

this is the wrong channel, look for sound occulsion tips

[tired hedge]

man wut u even gotta be doin to read this channel and think ima post that

[main lily]

It's called occlusion. #🔊┃audio

[mortal drift]

Thx!

[icy roost]

that's great, however the way i do it offers a much more scaleable and dynamic solution allowing me to create systems within the engine that i use it for. i dont care how its meant to be used, what matters is that my way is superior

[oblique marlin]

That's fine. You can use what works for you. But not everyone here is going to do that. In fact most people won't.

[tired hedge]

ryiah im startin to think you are just discriminating against kecesi

[icy roost]

never said that everyone should do that

[warm cloak]

8:30AM Pacific Time. Takin' bets on drop time! Takin' allllll bets!

[raw frigate]

unity is intended for you to program stuff that you then tweak in the editor for the most part

[lethal star]

wow u guys unity SURE TAKE LONG TIME to discuss about this price changes. They're not gonna revert back trust me. just change game engine, save your time

[solar sorrel]

Thanks for your novel input

[tired hedge]

jupiter u think they should raise the price more?

[plucky ivy]

clueless 😎

[warm cloak]

It's literally 8AM in Unity Land, man. Let the poor devs sleep. 😂

[oblique marlin]

Your statements felt that way, but that isn't surprising considering how vague they were and the assumptions you kept making.

[thorny gazelle]

You know nothing more than the rest of us.

[tired hedge]

actually i think jupiter might know how to read the movie code u all are obsessed with so who knows he may be a guru of sorts

[raw frigate]

awww dont nerd himm

[solar sorrel]

Visual scripting is great, but it's easy to misuse, and has a very specific place in developing large scale games I feel

[vestal dune]

A breathtaking response. Truly one of the opinions of all time

[warm cloak]

Visual Scripting scares the bejeeezus outta me.

[tired hedge]

ty all for posting that u look up to my posts via emojis

[icy roost]

i stated that if 3 second compiling affects you so much that youre considering switching engines you should probably not be going in and out of the editor that much

[thorny gazelle]

Pulled out his reddit thinking cap

[raw frigate]

i fucking hate visual scripting, i find it a major clusterfuck personally, it's so annoying have to find all of the nodes and then arrange a massive like sheet it's just so much unnecessary work

[tired hedge]

STOP CURSING

[lethal star]

after reading all of these, you guys are right. We should stay in unity. I regret everything i said. Hopefully they revert back the prices changes

[solar sorrel]

Then it's probably not a good fit for your use case

[oblique marlin]

It also depends on the visual scripting system. Most of them are one-to-one equivalent to code-based languages and that doesn't work well.

[raw frigate]

we are adults here

[tired hedge]

adults shouldnt curse either

[vestal dune]

Are we though

[warm cloak]

Knowing how code can fuck up everything, Visual Scripting seems like trying not to fuck shit up while blind folded. 😂

[solar sorrel]

Yep, that's not really the point (unless prototyping very quickly)

[icy roost]

who gives a fuck?

[thorny gazelle]

Schizoposting in the Unity server is crazy

[raw frigate]

says who? jesus? i dont remember jesus saying "you shall not say naughty language" in the gospel

[tired hedge]

u dont rlly care or id share it with u vektor

[icy roost]

"But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips." i dont care about the bible but thats the quote

[raw frigate]

fuck

[warm cloak]

"Ay yo don't be cursing" and then did a kickflip. True story.

[tired hedge]

anyways i got an announcement i gotta go make at the company iw ork at that every1 is raging about brb

[rough vine]

So guys, is unity removing the fee?

[solar sorrel]

You tell us

[raw frigate]

dunno

[warm cloak]

We're still waiting on the news.

[thorny gazelle]

Yes, everyone is happy, go home

[tired hedge]

if u dont want to pay per install just make ur game so bad no1 installs it

[tacit tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj1DqaQlZCs delayed 🙂

[thorny gazelle]

Just post malware

[icy roost]

END THIS BULLSHITTERY AND BEGIN GAME DEVING FOR TEMPLE OS, TERRY DAVIS COMMANDS YOU 👼

[tired hedge]

tell me a secret msg to put in the announcement so u all know its me (talking about my own personal one)

[summer hill]

dammn the pressure

[thorny gazelle]

Penis

[oblique marlin]

I bet he doesn't know what it is and is just gonna keep delaying till it's out 😛

[raw frigate]

YESS THE HOLY OPERATING SYSTEM COMISSIONED BY GOD HIMSELF 🙏

[summer hill]

waiting for their decision is so stressing

[warm cloak]

Goddamnit. I need sleeeeep! 😂

[plucky ivy]

we already found out splash screen is gone thanks to a cryptic message

[tired hedge]

bro u and that dang cryptic foolery

[tacit tusk]

some lawyer might have jumped in and changed the plan

[icy roost]

THE BIGGEST QUESTION I FACE ON THE JOB IS THIS DIVINE INTELLECT OR N-

[raw frigate]

woah

[icy roost]

actual terry davis quote

[warm cloak]

Terry Davis said the N word?

[agile spruce]

Keep the off topic away from this server, and lay off your caps, thanks.

[raw frigate]

I know lmao

[subtle aspen]

we've been offtopic for like an hour now

[icy roost]

truth be told pricing plans dont change on temple-os though

[warm cloak]

We're going very loopy waiting for the news. 😂

[tired hedge]

well i been sayin dont be offtopic but no one listens - u all cursed me out

[molten phoenix]

the whole industry is watching, no pressure Unity 😉

From Phil Spencer to indie billy down the street

[tired hedge]

are you really indie using the worlds biggest game engine?

[tacit tusk]

so whats happening? James Bond is coming to make the announcement?

[warm cloak]

It's a question of will this make things worse or will it start to mend bridges, I think. Nothing announced will immediately snap everyone back in to place.

[thorny gazelle]

Who’s Phil

[raw frigate]

Xbox man

[molten phoenix]

$$ Xbox

[warm cloak]

Mr. Xbox, himself?!

[tired hedge]

yes

[nocturne crow]

My screen is broken, half of them tint green. Seem like a sign

[subtle aspen]

there are going to be people who pick it apart and talk crap about whatever news comes out no matter the changes, Im hoping for a solid start to fixing things but not an immediate med pack back to full trust if you get me

[vagrant egret]

Phil Xbox

[thorny gazelle]

Oh ok

[tired hedge]

Phil Xbox and Tim Apple are friends

[rigid moon]

trust is already lost, nothing they can say will fix it 100%

[warm cloak]

I getcha. And I agree. I'd like it if the no splash rumour is true as a gesture of good faith.

[violet garden]

I saw this video posted on Twitter. This is a great analysis of the situation by Yan Chernikov who is making the Hazel game engine. He is very knowledgeable about the industry and also detached enough from the incident to provide a very insightful analysis of the situation: https://youtu.be/CyAh-aca_Mo?si=Ch3wpq1uSChINyYh

[tired hedge]

you are litterally obsessed with the splash screen

[oblique marlin]

Will dressed up in a Bond outfit giving the announcement would be great.

[weary oxide]

this making a game engine wtf

[indigo sluice]

what about for people who already don't have splash screen
Do we get a free t shirt

[tacit tusk]

only if he shoots the ceo

[plucky ivy]

splash screen gone = for me personally its fixed 110%

[main lily]

Cherno used to be an engine dev at EA.

[molten phoenix]

I think its just symbolic, of Unity understanding the desire there and offering it as a variable form of an apology and good will; it means a lot more than just splash to some imo

[warm cloak]

I don't know why i read it as Batman instead of Bond but I need it now.

[molten phoenix]

Its because I got into your psyche, just like Batman would

[raw frigate]

you guys remember RenderWare?

[tacit tusk]

yup, john killed it

[warm cloak]

Correct. It's a "We messed up, here's a thing to say sorry. Now the actual pricing guides"

[tired hedge]

they didn't mess up

[warm cloak]

Okay, contrarion.

[old slate]

this shit has been going for too long dammit

[tired hedge]

its not contrarion - they got a business to run.

[raw frigate]

yea, renderware was the unity of the early to mid 2000s developed by criterion, until EA, under management of the current unity CEO, acquired them, and killed the engine

[tacit tusk]

its only been a couple of days

[warm cloak]

Ehhh, a week, really.

[signal frost]

any news?

[subtle aspen]

it's been 10 days, they made the initiale annoucment sept 12th.

[vagrant egret]

Yeah and godot is falling

[tired hedge]

yeah tehy said charge rob 5000x more

[limber widget]

Yes and that is why they messed up, that is no way to run a bussiness

[tacit tusk]

unity said its a couple of days, trust them bro

[signal frost]

well 5000x 0 is still 0 soo

[subtle aspen]

something coming today at some time, I hope in like 7 minutes but maybe like 5 -24 hours

[tired hedge]

lol its all the ppl makin nothing concerned about this

[scarlet heath]

still no news huh

[raw frigate]

is charging a player out of their wallet for every bullet they use running a business?

[tired hedge]

yes

[signal frost]

yeah I know smth is coming today but it's been a few hours already so I was hoping for an update

[raw frigate]

so John got fired for running a business? 🤣🤣🤣

[tacit tusk]

someone tweeted the 'World is not enough' poster, maybe that means something

[signal frost]

they do that in real life

[subtle aspen]

will said once the US is awake, which could me anything from 9am - like 5 pm...

[tired hedge]

I think two birds flew past the uniety build maybe that means that prices will be two times as high!!!

[warm cloak]

We've got a possible lead in maybe 64 minutes but that's a big pile of salt.

[limber widget]

Well everybody in the industry should be from players to developers, if unity makes something like that and nothing happened to it, it would affect the entire industry

[signal frost]

but that also means we will be sleeping by then

[scarlet heath]

well shit, was John trying to buy land rights on the moon or something?

[warm cloak]

Listen, as long as Octopussy isn't involved, we're gucci.

[subtle aspen]

yep, timezones suck, but Unity HQ is on the west coast of the USA, so it's all on them now

[tacit tusk]

he already owns the moon bro

[raw frigate]

if the people using your product aren't happy then you're doing a dogshit job of running a business

[tiny prism]

John Unity is the best

[warm cloak]

Mr. Unity? Dad, himself?

[signal frost]

unfortunate

[tired hedge]

nah you got that wrong - if ppl who ARE PAYING for your products aren't happy you need to improve - yall aint payin

[vagrant egret]

Yeah he's trying to pay andromeda taxes, should be going well

[raw frigate]

yes the FUCK we are

[tired hedge]

I gurantee you have paid a fat $0 to unity

[tacit tusk]

maybe they are going to give us all the Gold Middle Finger

[tranquil dune]

Good afternoon guys

[warm cloak]

The biggest Unity devs out there have said this is dogshit. Just stop, man.

[subtle aspen]

hello hello

[scarlet heath]

hopefully I can sell that gold middle finger

[tired hedge]

Oh my the biggest devs with biggest profits want to keep more of it?!? what a surprise

[cursive junco]

When is the announcement due?

[tranquil dune]

Another great day for the Unity CEO probably getting a headache at this point 😊

[subtle aspen]

no idea, hopefully in 2 mins but could be any time today

[raw frigate]

the biggest Devs would have been fine with a 5% royalty. not with this.

[thorny gazelle]

It’s delayed till 1

[tired hedge]

you the biggest devs rep?

[tranquil dune]

So how are you guys?

[warm cloak]

We have no concrete time for the announcement. We have a possible lead starting in an hour but a big pile of salt with that.

[raw frigate]

yes.

[subtle aspen]

if you got a source for that please share it with the rest of us so we can stop twidling our thumbs and do things until that time

[signal frost]

yeah the issue is in the volatility and unpredictability of the changes

[limber widget]

Again people miss the point install fee is dumb but not the main problem main problem is retroactive change of Terms of service.

[tired hedge]

see u just a troll and cant finish any conversation

[raw frigate]

you're the only one "trolling" around here

[summer hill]

temple engine

[tired hedge]

you said you were paying unity and you know thats a lie

[bronze magnet]

This. I’m glad to someone here recognizes this. So many people here are spreading rumors as if it’s solid facts.

[tranquil dune]

Yo what was that one YouTuber that everyone liked for Unity C# tutorials? Until he stopped 2+ years ago?

[warm cloak]

Brackeys?

[summer hill]

can this info be trusted ?

[subtle aspen]

best not to get into anything with jiggle, they're kind just here to goof off

[raw frigate]

I am a customer. I make them money. I no longer make them money because I am unhappy with their changes.

[tranquil dune]

Yes, I wonder if he ever responded to this situation 🤔

[tired hedge]

lmao truth comes out

[plucky ivy]

it was posted by will, whos been a unity employee since 2008

[warm cloak]

Dude. Just stop. Nobody is on your side.

[thorny gazelle]

The stream has been pushed back to 1pm from 12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj1DqaQlZCs, they’re stalling

[subtle aspen]

that's not soid... also that says 10 am, 1 hour from now

[tired hedge]

you dont make unitey money buy buying games that were made with unitey - its like saying you bought a coke so you should be upset with cokes vendors

[coral forum]

Time zones

[signal frost]

what timezone?

[thorny gazelle]

1PM my timezone. EST.

[raw frigate]

I am a unity DEVELOPER. I have to buy a unity licence eventually

[oblique marlin]

1PM EST

[tired hedge]

eventually = you haven't

[merry compass]

Is that an official stream from unity?

[thorny gazelle]

I am of the personal opinion that those who do not live in the EST are not alive.

[zinc sparrow]

This is from Jason Weimann, not Unity...

[raw frigate]

eventually = look at this! they lost money! because I'm no longer eventually buying a licence

[ivory jewel]

crying into his millions im sure

[oblique marlin]

No. It's Jason Weimann. I suspect he's trying to time it for shortly after the announcement and just moving it back when it doesn't happen.

[warm cloak]

It's currently 9AM Pacific Time, the timezone that Unity uses. They've said "morning Pacific Time" which can be anywhere from 8AM to 11:59AM.

[thorny gazelle]

No, but supposedly connected to them.

[drifting gyro]

Unity shall be reorganized into the first galactic empire

[scarlet heath]

No, he's not

[olive oyster]

Jason usually has insider Unity information, he isn't an Unity employee though.

[summer hill]

Damn
I guess theyre trying to makeup for their mistakes

[thorny gazelle]

He himself is not, but he’s supposedly in contact with someone from what I heard

[vagrant egret]

better than this no one is using unity anymore since they are the most greedy engine on the planet! you got monogame, godot and so many other alternatives

[ivory jewel]

unity just updated their terms of service saying that if you release games made with unity: you forfeit your right to US votes - they vote on your behalf

[warm cloak]

He's not connected, but he's a potential lead. That's why I add "A big pile of salt" whenever I mention it.

[raw frigate]

exactly. they failed at running a business

[tired hedge]

he knows someone who knows someone who posted some movies that had a quote about a date and on that date abe lincoln said "unite bad" - listen to yall

[thorny gazelle]

It’s all anecdotal though

[plucky ivy]

so looks like we are better off than we were before. no more 400 dollar splash screen fee

[summer hill]

Ill still use unity because its a great engine despite stagnation and terrible management
just wondering for how long

[tired hedge]

great glad ppl who havent made games will keep using it

[vagrant egret]

lincoln spitting facts against unity im all for it

[plucky ivy]

wheres ur game mr coin jiggling game

[tired hedge]

if they can do it then rest of ppl can do it and we can make unite great

[raw frigate]

making a coin jiggling game sounds almost like you've never made a game before

[warm cloak]

Great again?! Let's build that Unity Wall! Get Microsoft to pay for it!

[scarlet heath]

I mean, its still a game though.
jiggling coins takes skill

[thorny gazelle]

So then my ignorant friend what are your thoughts on the pricing situation

[tired hedge]

not high enough

[raw frigate]

omg yes let's get Microsoft to buy unity 🥰 monopoly Microsoft edition

[vagrant egret]

I love the part when Abraham Lincoln switches to Godot

[scarlet heath]

no,
you wanna change Unity's name to
MS Unity?
bad name Istg

[warm cloak]

Listen, Lincoln needed to switch to Godot because the Microsoft chips in the vaccine were stopping him from hunting vampires, okay?!

[vagrant egret]

But then the tragedy happened...

[thorny gazelle]

So then what happens when indies between the cut that their storefront takes of the game as well as Unity’s cut as well as dev expenses are not able to make a profit?

[summer hill]

creating my game in any other engine than Unity would take so much longer its not worth to move

[warm cloak]

Guys.. we've just been ignoring them because of the crap they're spewing. Literally the opposite to anything someone says.

[plush crown]

So today is day 5 without any updates?

[warm cloak]

Ehhh, more like day 11, technically.

[subtle aspen]

six technically, they said it sunday night US west coast time

[tired hedge]

splash screen should be free to keep

[warm cloak]

Wasn't it the 12th? Or has my grasp of time slipped away from me?

[slim dock]

we're getting updates later today

[subtle aspen]

initial annoucment was the 12th, update annoucement was on =sunday at like 10pm

[scarlet heath]

inb4 the announcement would be
"unity free plan is now abolished"

[warm cloak]

Thank you. This whole thing has me losing touch with time.

[plush crown]

Okay. Hopefully it isn't a pile of shit like the other "clarifications" were

[oblique marlin]

And hopefully "later" doesn't mean "end of the day"

[summer hill]

longest today in my life

[tired hedge]

u got no problems if thats true

[coral forum]

It's early morning in California, so it could definitely be end of day for some people

[warm cloak]

It has been a hot minute since I've stayed up this late. 😂

[scarlet heath]

it's 12 AM for me

[slim dock]

I can't say exactly the time, as it can change

[raw frigate]

5pm

[placid moss]

Just don't be disappointed if you get fu**** again 😂

[signal frost]

7pm here

[vagrant egret]

Same

[subtle aspen]

as long as it's today i think we're all good

[molten phoenix]

45min from now confirmed based on how i read your message

[tacit tusk]

prepare yourselves...

[warm cloak]

13 minutes past midnight for me. I am sticking this out!

[plush crown]

It's going to be 4:59pm EST, do we can rage all weekend and riot

[slim dock]

[bronze magnet]

On a scale from 1 to 10 how hard is it to make a game engine?

[tired hedge]

10

[vagrant egret]

Depends on the needs

[summer hill]

years of work assuming you have knowledge already

[subtle aspen]

50

[dusk veldt]

Just as hard as making an MMO 😛

[raw frigate]

I'm not too bothered about whether or not they fix shit

[plush crown]

40 and a new case of alcoholism

[bronze magnet]

1 is hard, 10 is easy

[tired hedge]

1

[summer hill]

making an mmo is easier 😛

[vagrant egret]

What is that ranking system

[warm cloak]

Honestly? A basic one? 1. It's hard to get something good.

[scarlet heath]

so who here will still change engines?

[inland basin]

Any news?

[worthy loom]

https://twitter.com/willgoldstone/status/1705115457664036996?s=20

[tired hedge]

any changing engines didnt pay unitey anyways

[raw frigate]

me unless they fixed it well enough and I have no other solid alternatives

[red ginkgo]

"Sorry for the confusion, we hear you! We doubled the fees, so we can invest in facial recognition to prevent piracy!"

[bronze magnet]

Nothing but rumors. Unity has been radio silent

[warm cloak]

If I hear a version of "Sorry for your confusion" I'm gonna scream.

[subtle aspen]

there will be an update today at some point

[worthy loom]

news are coming today

[plush crown]

Unless the update is "We fucked.up and we are walking back the dumbass idea we had, plus reinstating the GitHub, and rewriting the EULA so this doesn't happen for a THIRD TIME", I'm not going to use Unity again for any game project, and only going to use it for ChilloutVR Avatars and Worlds

[warm cloak]

We are not confused. We are angry and want answers. Also, pay yo staff better. goddamn. Those poor buggers have been through a ringer this past week.

[summer hill]

third ?

[tired hedge]

there has been tons of very confused ppl in here

[raw frigate]

guys I just got a free cheesecake brownie

[drifting gyro]

Is spelling it "unitey" like an inside joke or something?

[subtle aspen]

depending on the update I will probably use unity to finish up my current game while I learn anothe rengine on the side

[warm cloak]

LETS GO!? Best news so far!

[plush crown]

They pulled this shit once before in 2019

[subtle aspen]

just ignore them.

[raw frigate]

I mean Lidl lost 79p but lol I will lose 80p if someone installs my game 4 times

[coral forum]

You lose 0p for 4 installs

[scarlet heath]

sharing is caring,
and I see you're prepared to watch the fire burn

[raw frigate]

yea because I didn't use unity 😎

[steady owl]

It time to make mi comparision of Warhammer 40k Universe with the actual game engines of the market!

[warm cloak]

Is Godot the Tau?

[coral forum]

No you just fundamentally misinterpreted the pricing structure, like most people who are confused about it

[summer hill]

The one annoying thing about UNITY splashscreen was that u couldnt matchup its background color with canvas backgroud color so you couldnt do a smooth fading when game starts
thats cause theyre applying some weird color modification to the splash screen

[raw frigate]

no i don't, it kicks in after both 200k in installs and revenue

[steady owl]

yes. and GodoTau are treating the hUmaNITY devs like Gue'vesas

[coral forum]

Mazel tov, so 4 installs is just a bit short of the target

[scarlet heath]

kinda ironic,
in Unity, you want to get rid of the slashscreen.
in Unreal, you want to put a splashscreen of the engine you used

[raw frigate]

😂 who said they were the only 4 installs of my game

[subtle aspen]

I got that reference XD

[warm cloak]

I watched a YT guy talk about this the other day. How the Unreal badge is like a badge of honor while the Unity logo we're actively paying to hide.

[zenith echo]

To be fair, I’d rather not show either. 😆

[signal frost]

well putting it in there in unreal is just bragging about having good graphics, however it means high expectations and disappointment if the standards are not met. The unity splashscreen is fine but needs more customization

[oblique marlin]

Unity's splash needs a fancy animation. A fading image is so boring.

[bronze magnet]

Anyone have any rumors or fake information about what Unity is going to do?

I’ve checked the official channels and saw that there is no information (except rumors published by a “trust me bro” journalist).

Since many of y’all are spreading fake info might as well explicitly ask for it.

[tacit tusk]

they might as well change their logo to a giant turd

[oblique marlin]

Just Will giving us a list of movie recommendations that we think means "no splash screen. revenue share to 4%."

[summer hill]

Lmaoo

[zenith echo]

I think it meant “no splash screen, capped rev share, effective 2024” but yeah, who knows.

[warm cloak]

Yeah, the current theory is 4% rev share on over 1 mil, no splash screen and I keep seeing killing the Free Plan. Again, these are nothing but rumours that have zero hard evidence. So don't take it as truth. Wait for the update.

[summer hill]

but if its capped to 4% wouldnt it be simpler to just take 4% from the start without install fees etc

[oblique marlin]

Yeah that's just as likely

[zenith echo]

Yes. I’m really hoping they ditched the “install” thing.

[signal frost]

that's everyone's point atm

[warm cloak]

Ditching install will probably put out the fire, it's just then up to them to make people wanna cross the bridge again.

[tired hedge]

what if they only chargd every other install?

[rigid moon]

still to much 1 in every 10 installs would be more fair

[tacit tusk]

double dipping with per seat charges + rev share isn't going to put out the fire... its going to kill unity dead.

[plucky ivy]

simpler yes, but also more expensive

[scarlet heath]

they're triple dipping in fact,
remember we have the Asset store

[tired hedge]

quad-dippin

[warm cloak]

I honestly forgot about the seat charges.

[raw frigate]

how about nothing at all and use a rev share system like the rest of the fucking industry

[rigid moon]

then how they gonna charge for reinstalls?

[edgy yew]

haha well said

[summer hill]

even so i think if they just went with 4% from the start it would anger the userbase less