archived-pricing-updates-talk

[native vortex]

Good im glad to hear you know how to model, texture, rig, animate, make music/songs, dance and sing

[main lily]

Name rings a bell, but I have to check that out

[sly walrus]

Check unde your bed, I'm underneath it

[umbral knoll]

Its also extremely good for level layout

[tranquil moat]

Oh ok, I doubt it actually is the same as your game. I was just joking about how vague your description was.

[umbral knoll]

Guys im so lost im very unsure should i switch

[wary smelt]

Meh, the changes won’t actually go through. Stick with Unity

[tranquil moat]

Yes, you should switch to the Frostbite game engine. Rather than paying 20 cents per install you just need to sell your soul to work for EA.

[wary smelt]

Platform holders will just sue Unity into oblivion if they stubbornly stick with the install fee shit.

[umbral knoll]

They removed the unity plus plan tho

[umbral knoll]

I bet they actually give these ppl a huge payday because of sacrifices made to use frostbite

[trail loom]

they will most likely change it into a reasonable price model

[tranquil moat]

Uh. Your understanding of EA is very different than mine.

[limber widget]

Im quite sure some people would sell their souls to work for EA

[tranquil moat]

Yes, maybe. But being angry with Unity doesn't seem like a good reason to work for Evil Arts

[bitter tinsel]

To be honest, Unity’s appeal wasn’t 3D anyways. There’s probably subjectively better engines other than Unreal

[wary smelt]

EA treats its developers well, but it’s customers terribly

[umbral knoll]

They would pay you the amount that 2 fifa players spent on fifa and you would be as rich as notch

[wary smelt]

Really? Cuz I always thought it was the ideal engine for mid-tier lowpoly 3d stuff

[tranquil moat]

I thought we do not speak his name anymore

[bitter tinsel]

Well, kinda?

[umbral knoll]

The abandoned child

[wary smelt]

I don’t see why someone should use Unity over Gamemaker or Godot if they are making a 2d platformer

[tranquil moat]

The spoiled toxic child

[bitter tinsel]

Physics and lighting are arguably better than Godot’s. Haven’t seen much of Godot 4 though

[umbral knoll]

But like fr who the hell is gonna buy fc24 it sounds like a fifa ripoff not sequel

[tranquil moat]

Because they are invested in the Unity 2d API and neither Gamemaker or Godot attempt to be a drop in replacement for the Unity 2d API

[main lily]

One of main my main appeals for unity is the way you can extend the editor with your own custom tooling. Good for teams and solo devs alike.
No experience on that with other engines though

[idle sigil]

https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/elon-musk-charge-all-x-twitter-users-fee-1235726693/

[tranquil moat]

If you really want to prove that Unity's runtime isn't worth what they are asking for if the game is 2D then I would recommend using the SDL library and building a drop in replacement for Unity's API on top of it

[weary oxide]

i fell like a sucker i cant leave unity yet i try Godot but it dont have as much 3rd future as unity

[tranquil moat]

IDEs have had that for a while. It is just Unity is a game focused IDE.

[native vortex]

elon musk learnt a thing or two from unity

[wary smelt]

Do I need fancy lighting for a pixel platformer game? No

[bitter tinsel]

Who will kill themselves faster?

Twitter or Unity?

[umbral knoll]

Whats tempting about godot is that the projects are very small in size and they open quickly there is no goofy splashscreen that you have to remove for 2k and ppl made tools on git to import unity projects

[wary smelt]

Also iirc GameMaker has pixel-perfect physics

[main lily]

IDEs? I mean like custom inspectors, property drawers, editor windows, that kinda stuff. Helps with productivity in the long run

[light cipher]

Twitter.

[bitter tinsel]

Well, you were hoping for responses explaining why and I provided some. Some people prefer how Unity does things like those two

[limber widget]

Why not I just started to mess around with godot 3d and is really not as bad as I thought it was

[idle sigil]

Ori and Hollow Knight do

[bitter tinsel]

It’s fine if you don’t but a lot of people and companies do

[tranquil moat]

Twitter has already X'd themselves and made it trivial for people to trust Zuckerberg's Threads instead

[umbral knoll]

Guys remember its all about the graphics not the gameplay people buy money flows it just works

[bitter tinsel]

Unity definitely. Twitter isn’t in a worse position atm

[wary smelt]

But that’s my point, not every 2d game needs to be made in Unity. Those games do need lighting so it makes sense they use Unity. Pizza Tower doesn’t need any lighting, hence why it can be made with GM

[severe yew]

I have used Godot for a couple projects and the editor lags the more scripts you get in it... I feel like most ppl that think Godot is the best thing since sliced bread haven't actually made anything more than a game jam game.... that said it's a good engine... but ppl rly are going over selling it. The occlusion culling is so basic, GDscript forces singletons ... it's like a beginners dreamland

[bitter tinsel]

That’s still a reason for why a lot of people would want to stick with Unity. It doesn’t apply to everyone ofc

[umbral knoll]

The thing about twitter is although its bad we get there situations like ice cube ratioing the richest man in the world

[umbral knoll]

Ok thanks tbh i havent used it i just seen reviews on it

[bitter tinsel]

Isn’t he blocking the block button?

[wary smelt]

This post is riddled with generalizations. If you don’t like the engine, that’s fine, but characterizing all the users as “amateurs” is immature

[thorny dew]

I'm very curious about y'alls day job that you can be here all day...I personally have covid rn

[wary smelt]

Well, for me personally, If I’m making a pixel platformer/metroidvania, I don’t need to use Unity. I could, and I’m sure people have made great pixel art games with it. But it’s not a must-use in that scenario

[tiny prism]

sue

[severe yew]

I'm characterizing the ppl who oversell it and see no faults as beginners that don't have the tech capacity to understand it's not the single best thing that humans ever made.

[tranquil moat]

Charge covid 20 cents each time it replicates

[umbral knoll]

Listen up guys its obv unity thats gonna die first although twitter is in a bad place everything goofy happens there its like reddit but more shit irl on twitter we have the richest man in the world get ratioed by some raper called ice cube because of a goofy joke elon posted

You can't beat that

[bitter tinsel]

Tbf this situation is causing a lot of irrational emotions and people tend to over exaggerate due to that

[wary smelt]

Any piece of tech is gonna have annoying users. No need to throw professional devs who use Godot in the same category as them

[umbral knoll]

Here is the post https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1702325737523736703?s=46&t=r-ieVHrKWGx-nBG-s0dTIw

[bitter tinsel]

I hope you recover soon. Covid can be pretty inconvenient

[wary smelt]

”Godot users are X” comments are just annoying and dumb af

[tranquil moat]

They seem to be trying to address fears that the board has about AI. If we will soon see a day when AI makes AAA style games with fewer developers involved then how does Unity continue to make money on a per seat licensing model?

[thorny dew]

yeah I'm not even home, was on a 3 day trip that became an 8 day trip thanks to this

[umbral knoll]

Elon got ratio 'd for that so hard you can't beat that

[tranquil moat]

I want to play against Covid but only if I get to be Paxlovid. :P

[mellow ferry]

if you decide you want to go 3d at some point you dont need to relearn an entire engine...iirc godot doesn't have console support either
EDIT: Im moving to godot anyway 😄

[light cipher]

I'm a full time indie dev. I do some consulting work on the side. Get well soon.

[obtuse oyster]

They make money with the AI itself then.

[wary smelt]

I’m not interested in 3d and I make adventure games, so that’s just me

[severe yew]

I'm not saying that at all... professional game devs using Godot have objective feedback and criticisms about it. There is a loud group of ppl that get personally offended at any criticism against Godot.

[ionic yoke]

What do you guys think of what AppLovin is doing, i mean UniFree seems promising 😂 https://www.applovin.com/blog/migrating-from-unity-to-other-game-engines/

[mellow ferry]

fair, but yeah my thought is the same but I figure maybe I would want to learn how to do 3d and at that point I would have to relearn the entire engine if I was in godot(and they continue to have meh 3d)

[wary smelt]

For sure, people who get offended by the criticism are annoying

[thorny dew]

can you explain this? What is it about "godot"? is it such a strong brand?

[bitter tinsel]

NFT PFP...

[dark gulch]

I can't believe unity lied AGAIN, it's been a couple days and there's NO announcement!

[timid junco]

Im living, bye.
P.S: Unity, go to hell, you are dead anyway. What happened just made even closer something that was unavoidable.

[bitter tinsel]

🤯

[umbral knoll]

They removed also the plus tier

[dark gulch]

Couple = 2, like a couple in terms of a relationship... Unity smh my head

[bitter tinsel]

This isn’t something they should take lightly. It’s important to carefully plan out their next moves

[bitter tinsel]

They should be doing damage control lol

[trail loom]

2 full days arent even over yet

[dark gulch]

[bitter tinsel]

Yeah but they really need to elaborate with the public (appropriately)

[thorny dew]

It's really bloomberg letting you down. Where are the latest leaks?

[dark gulch]

Oh shit, is thier pfp really part of an NFT collection? Maybe that explains why they're a bit rude...

[bitter tinsel]

Looks very similar to one I've seen before, also the styling is very NFT-like

[thorny dew]

being a Unity stakeholder and a manga reader has a lot in common when you're just waiting for leaks

[bitter tinsel]

Don’t people do that with Unity vs Unreal? Though it’s still just personal preference

[umbral knoll]

To be fair i was thinking of switching engines many times because of splashscreen so idk man they gave me more reasons

[wary smelt]

I chose it because it’s easy to make a 2d point and click with it, and it has fit my needs well. Just assuming people use Godot ”just because” is really stupid The engine is good at 2D.

[bitter tinsel]

I chose it fully knowing that it's lacking in some features but I believe it will catch up in due time

[bitter tinsel]

I completely agree. People choose whatever seems like it would work best for them. After that, they sometimes come here to ask if their choice was a subjectively good one. Nobody put son a blindfold and spins a wheel to fine one

[wary smelt]

Man, some of you are ass-mad that people like using an engine for 2D games

[trail loom]

unreal engine or unreal tournament?

[dark gulch]

Yeah, Godot is a pretty neat engine, and with all the newly found support, it's only bound to get better!

[bitter tinsel]

Yep, there is no "best engine", well objectively better, but subjective views matter

Yeah.. Don’t people do that with Unity vs Unreal?

[wary smelt]

”they only like Godot cause it’s trendy” said the crying wojak as it fought back it’s tears

[dark gulch]

Maybe it's progression will be even faster than Unity's, or even unreal's!

[bitter tinsel]

So you're moving to it or still sticking with Unity?

[dark gulch]

I am forever a unity boi

[bitter tinsel]

I’ll take that as a yes

[bitter tinsel]

That depends on what direction epic takes Fortnite

[umbral knoll]

Well if you ignore unitis bad reputation it was technically the best because it was a hybrid that was good at 2D and 3D

[wary smelt]

You engaging in engine-fanboyism makes you look rather silly

[bitter tinsel]

was

[dark gulch]

I agree, both unreal and unity are poor choices

[umbral knoll]

Yeah i said was

[obtuse oyster]

What is a good choice then ?

[bitter tinsel]

Yep, Godot is clearly superior and people not using it are literally idiots living in the past /s

[dark gulch]

We should all use renderware, just sayyyyyiinnnggg

[wary smelt]

I’m gonna put a ”proudly made in Godot” splash screen just to see you some of you nerds cry about it 😂

[bitter tinsel]

Unreal is an arguably amazing choice. Especially if you’re a professional company

[bitter tinsel]

Likewise 🤙

[dark gulch]

Nah, reject modernity, embrace tradition #renderware

[bitter tinsel]

Depends, if your game runs like shit because you don't optimize it... then well...

Also most big studios use their own engines

[near crane]

the question of the century.. (why arent they?)

[obtuse oyster]

Some are starting to pivot towards Unreal/Unity

[plush crown]

Godot is a great choice for indie devs in 2D, and 3D support is getting better. Unreal is great at 3D, and geared more towards seasoned developers

[bitter tinsel]

For more professional use I mean

[plain hamlet]

I can recommend ebiten for simple 2D games and if you like golang 😄

[light cipher]

More and more are switching to Unreal. CD Project Red are retiring their internal engine.

[bitter tinsel]

Actually? Wow.

[near crane]

that make sense cause they make hyperrealistic games

[light cipher]

The Project Liberty expansion for Cyberpunk is the last Red Engine project.

[bitter tinsel]

Oh sheesh

[wary smelt]

Seems like I may have misunderstood your comment? Apologies if that’s the case.

I get that, yeah don’t use Godot for everything. But I’ve seen people in this discord try to deny that Godot is good at anything, even for 2d games. Which is funny to me

[main lily]

Using nerd as an insult in a gamedev discord is ironic

[wary smelt]

Okay nerd

[bitter tinsel]

People are either underestimating it heavily or overestimating it heavily. Barely an in-between

[wary smelt]

Yep, that seems to be the case

[dark gulch]

Any engine is what you make of it, really

[green mountain]

so will unity be tracking game returns/refunds?

[bitter tinsel]

Why would they care?

[bitter tinsel]

Self reporting

[wary smelt]

I haven’t used Godot for 3d yet, and probably never will. Then again, it will be eons before I make a 3d game since I have no interest

[bitter tinsel]

Wait don’t these conflict?
1: A foolish, inept, or unattractive person.
2: A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.

[green mountain]

some dipwad on yt replied to my comment saying that my argument was invalid because "who would install a game and not play it"

I used the example of someone installing titanfall 1 before realizing the servers are down. The point was that this new pricing structure is in perpetuity

[peak salmon]

I'mma be honest, i think I found the best solution for unity

[dark gulch]

True, but idk I really like unity, as an engine, it puts a smile on my face

[bitter tinsel]

Giving up?

[wary smelt]

Best solution is Uncle Phil taking out his credit card

[near crane]

enlighten us

[green mountain]

i cant find anything online confirming they will refund the fee if the game is refunding. Could you share your source with me rq?

[peak salmon]

if they pull up on twitter saying "ya'll this was just a prank, we just wanted to farm some reactions haha". Everybody'll prolly laugh it off tbh

[bitter tinsel]

Lol, no.

[dark gulch]

[trail loom]

there is no official statement yet

[green mountain]

Few devs trust unity any more, even if they go back they cant undo what they did

[peak salmon]

at least we get back our beloved engine

This is technology's that's been yeaaars in the making, far beyond what Godot can ever be in years

[bitter tinsel]

One second. I think it’s in pins

[green mountain]

no beloved of mine, not anymore

[bitter tinsel]

Personally, I mainly do VR but I choose Godot

[peak salmon]

no, the engine is still our beloved, the company isn't

[bitter tinsel]

@green mountain

[green mountain]

ya, like tabs

[elfin sail]

Wow, the company that made Terraria is donating $100K to Godot and FNA and sponsoring them for $1K/month

[wary smelt]

I’d hate to se the engine die becuase of these dumb fuckers in charge

[bitter tinsel]

Same, and Vrchat... since if they migrate they would have to migrate all user creations too...

[near crane]

Unity-Chan cheated on me, Godot-Chan is the only for me now...

[bitter tinsel]

But you can’t really utilize the engine without the company

[green mountain]

they mention self reporting but not refunds in that article

[wary smelt]

Don’t view engines as beloved. They’re just tools

[dark gulch]

See?

[bitter tinsel]

Yep, most games can simply port, VRChat doesn't really have that option

[near crane]

VRChat is in a really tricky situation tbh (with this policy), I can't wait to see how that situation unfolds..

[bitter tinsel]

Oh you said refunds. It’s per install not per purchase

[peak salmon]

think about the hundreds of engineers who worked on this engine tirelessly over the years. You want to cancel all their work just to ruin a bunch of greedy mfs? Nah, the best solution is to somehow get rid of those greedy mfs with minimal collateral dmg

[green mountain]

a tool is only as good as the brand. If I know I can't get new parts when my tool breaks then I won't rely on it

[bitter tinsel]

Unfortunately that's not how capitalism works

[near crane]

You are correct, but how do you fight billionaires?

[green mountain]

thats what I thought, I am arguing with some dipwad in the comments of the devlogs who is claiming they will

[bitter tinsel]

You go on Twitter and tweet #TaxTheRich

[near crane]

on a platform owned by the rich

[bitter tinsel]

Awesome pfp by the way

[light cipher]

AAA developers don't care about minimum spec any more. If people want to play your games people buy the hardware. This is why Myst propelled the sale of CD-ROM drives. This is why consoles suppliers want third party developers invested in their consoles. This is why No Man Sky was promoted by PlayStation. Games sell machines, not the other way around. The triple A market need good looking engines which support easy import of high quality assets for their advertising people to show off. Sure they'll give options for things to run on a more basic machines.
If you're not a triple A developer Unreal may be the wrong engine for you. Non triple-A games need to maximise the machines they run on and that's where Unity shines. Sure you have to do some optimization per platform but you don't have the same breadth of platforms, user audiences and potential sales with another engine. Every additional 10,000 users who can buy your game matters.

[bitter tinsel]

Nono, Elon musk is different, he's a good billionaire /s

[plain hamlet]

I still wonder how they plan to reliably track installations, seems straight up impossible

[bitter tinsel]

You don’t have to be a full out triple A but fair, it can be less beneficial for certain people

[peak salmon]

Like I said, if a unity official staff is seeing this, consider the "it's just a prank" solution. I think it's the most likely to work and most likely to get everyone back on their favourite tool

[bitter tinsel]

The developers do, the studios don't.

BG3 turned out the way it did because the whole studio cares about their game, unfortunately most of the industry has been ruined by greed and capitalism and people that don't care about games just in the industry to profit.

[green mountain]

thanks :D it is a buff phrog https://imgur.com/a/OV9DVgP

[peak salmon]

listen, I have experience in this kind of stuff I know it's the best way atm

[bitter tinsel]

“This post may contain erotic or adult imagery. By continuing, you acknowledge that you are 18+ years of age.”

Because bad rep = less sales

[green mountain]

a lot of devs I have heard from have been talking about all the cool mechanics of the game. Nobody expects every game to be like baldurs gate 3. Baldur's gate 3 was a pixar movie, that doesnt mean every illumination movie was terrible. One pushed the medium forward and the other didn't. Both are cool one is just inspiring

[bitter tinsel]

Lol sure...

[bitter tinsel]

“Trust”

[green mountain]

wtf, i didnt mark it like that

[bitter tinsel]

Lmao

[green mountain]

aight have a good one yall

[near crane]

I still gotta play BG3, everyone and their mother talks about it as if it's the Holy Grail

[peak salmon]

look I'm not saying it's a bullet proof method. there's already irreverible dmg unfortunately. however, this solution will get back at least 60% of prior trust

[near crane]

Why did Unity have to go public in the first place, absolute beta move

[limber widget]

Money

[bitter tinsel]

"When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are, anything your heart desires will come to you."

Steam only allows you to download a game on 10 devices, right? (With one account) if you post there, just add (.20 • 10) which equal to 2

If Silksong does that then they should be fine. They don’t count reinstalls

[bitter tinsel]

• Jimmy Cricket to Pinocchio

[peak salmon]

there's still a chance. even if there's a 1% chance, i'll go for it...

[light cipher]

Baldur's Gate 3 is an anomaly. Larian Studios is an indie studio. They are their own publisher. They made Baldur's Gate 3 in their own time to their own standard using their own money and an engine they'd honed over several games. Generally if you're building that size of game you have a contract with a publisher specifying time, budget and a metacritic score it must reach. Bioware couldn't make that Baldur's Gate 3, not with EA setting deadlines and budgets. I'm not sure if there is another studio who could do it. They did an amazing job.

[bitter tinsel]

There's really not, to think there is you have to be delusional

Muji Muji the type of person to see a broken glass as fully filled with wine

[near crane]

U just reminded me I gotta finish Lies of P

[peak salmon]

if everyone just spreads love, i'm sure even the unity ceo might become less greedy

[bitter tinsel]

I was gonna buy it but the studio added Denuvo so they don't deserve money (at least in my opinion)

[near crane]

I hate to break the illussion but real life is much harsher than that (you can't change filth)

[green mountain]

it is all about profit, it is why indies are thriving. I want to play a game knowing the game had love put into it rather than early-onset ptsd from the crunch

[bitter tinsel]

Average anarkiddy

[bitter tinsel]

"I want shorter games with worse graphics, and I'm serious"

[near crane]

It's good to want to spread love tho, we definitely more of that

[plain hamlet]

We know for sure if the CEO buys some huge amount of previously sold shares in the next days. But if they pull such a stunt I am pretty sure unity is in huge trouble for market manipulation lol

[bitter tinsel]

Fun fact: love in my country is slang for money

[bitter tinsel]

I mean

[bitter tinsel]

Piracy :3

[peak salmon]

we've got to hold on to hope... it's too early to give up

[green mountain]

idk if you are making fun of me or not but I unironically agree

[bitter tinsel]

Are you sure he won’t try to capitalize off of that love?

[near crane]

[bitter tinsel]

Just continue watching Isekai lol

[peak salmon]

he won't make the same mistake twice

[bitter tinsel]

Ew you have to count that? :(
Actually, how would you count that?

[green mountain]

I dont care if it is an openworld if the openworld has nothing
I don't care if the gameplay is 20 hours long if those 20 hours amount to subtracting from a healthbar in the same way over and over

[limpid vine]

I’m not sure if a Christmas Carol could cure this man.

[bitter tinsel]

Nono, I feel like that sentence defines modern gaming.

[bitter tinsel]

Tbf Apple would too

[bitter tinsel]

As a pirate, unless it's Denuvo, any DRM thrown at the piracy community is removed really easily (that includes something like "unity spyware")

[green mountain]

i agree, I am sick of new games. I miss the 2010's. When game development was a hard field for the passionate. I hate that it is now the captialist's cash cow

[tawny lance]

If piracy is included in the math, it's possible that crackers can patch the section of data sent to Unity, making pirated installations not count.

[bitter tinsel]

Well yeah, it just takes a few weeks.

[peak salmon]

the unity ceo isn't into technology in general tho? like, elon musk is a ceo of tesla and spacex but also an engineer and physicist

[bitter tinsel]

The piracy community hates anything that can be considered close to spyware, meaning something that pings a corp when you install something falls into that category

[bitter tinsel]

I don’t think you read that

[bitter tinsel]

The only thing Elon Musk is an idiot tbh

[near crane]

Damn I didn't know denuvo was that bad, I should have done my research, owell too late now I got 2 hours+ of playtime

[limpid vine]

why are you gatekeeping?

[bitter tinsel]

And insanely rich

[green mountain]

????????

[bitter tinsel]

It breaks Steam deck games, it makes your performance worse and is partially spyware in a way.

Not to mention, the parent company, Irdero, is shady af.

[near crane]

ye the spyware part disgusts me

[limpid vine]

High availability of the ability to make games is good. You should not yearn for a time when it was harder to make games. It just sucks that Unity chooses the traitor’s path.

[green mountain]

wtf do you mean gatekeeping

[bitter tinsel]

Lol what

[limpid vine]

you explicitly said you prefer a time when making games was hard so only the most passionate people could do it, which is gatekeeping

[green mountain]

I am not yearning for a time when games were hard to make, I am yearning for a time when game development wasnt seen as a cash cow.

[wary smelt]

We have indies who needs AAA

[tawny lance]

This is highly generalized, as there is a higher risk of getting malware from pirated software, like spywares or backdoors. Once in the hands of a cracker, you can't guarantee if the cracked result is clean.

[peak salmon]

let me do more research on the situation so i don't look any dumber, but i'm 100% there's a scenario where unity is back how it was and every ones happy

[bitter tinsel]

(Technically that’s objectively true)

[bitter tinsel]

Yeah you can? Lol

[green mountain]

the ability for anyone to make a game is great until the sole focus becomes profit. Look at the mobile game industry, all low quality throw away ketchapp/voodoo games

[wary smelt]

So we still have good games just don’t play AAA dogshit

[tranquil dune]

Heyo, terraria team donated to Godot and FNA

[bitter tinsel]

This^

If you have half a brain cell you'll know how to pirate tens of terabytes without getting a single flag

[light cipher]

Experimenting is risky. Elden Ring (random example) had a budget of $200 million. The current "Buy a complete game for 70 dollars" model isn't compatible with the budget size and experiments. If I'm a publisher and I sink $200 million in a game and it tanks, oof.

[near crane]

I'm still predicting the company will shrink but not dissapear and some kind of bad policy will still stay

[wary smelt]

Why can’t we have games that are the same production level as PS2

[green mountain]

I'm gonna guess twitter's downfall but at 4x speed

[limpid vine]

I am making a game. I would love for the (unlikely) possibility of making enough money to quit my day job should my game make enough money. Unity is choosing to make that possibility more difficult for me.

[bitter tinsel]

Trust is broken, devs have left Unity. No one is coming back.

[peak salmon]

can't unity revert to being private?

[wary smelt]

Why does every game need a bazillion dollars

[bitter tinsel]

Godot/Unreal/Stride/Flax

[green mountain]

.....ya that is the general consensus here. What does that have to do with me disliking the profit focused modern game industry

[near crane]

that's extremely hard to do, you'd have to find someone who'd buy the stocks from all stockholders, like musk did to privatise Twitter again, and musk payed doubles that of twitters value to succed

[bitter tinsel]

Because as a public company the higher ups make a shit ton more money due to stock.

And what Pali said.

[green mountain]

it is so freaking expensive

[smoky escarp]

I really hope we have some announcement tomorrow lol

[cerulean lintel]

technically any company can but its very hard.

[bitter tinsel]

I have always been a pirate for almost as long as I've had my phone, both on mobile and PC... no viruses

[green mountain]

I think we might but it will prob just be "get screwed lol"

[near crane]

fr I can't believe it's teusday and they still blue balled us

[smoky escarp]

I hope not

[green mountain]

I have given up at this point, the fact they tried it in the first place is enough to send me to a new platform

[tawny lance]

And how do you see if the ware is safe or not?

[plain hamlet]

How do you know?

[limpid vine]

Game development is complex. A game requires knowledge of programming, game design, and art/music. These three disciplines are so separate, and it’s so hard to find someone skilled in all 3, making it valuable to have access to tools that reduce some barriers. Naturally, that has a price.

The choice to drench a game in microtransactions is a completely separate endeavor, which has nothing to do with the unity pricing changes at hand.

[green mountain]

how do I know I won't be hit by a car tomorrow? I might if I drive I might if I walk but if I do either safely the chances go down

[bitter tinsel]

Reputable source (the community is incredibly quick to catch on if a source becomes bad), mainly movie and music piracy (easy to tell if the file is safe). Only games which I mainly buy are a gamble, but I'd rather take that gamble than pay a greedy corp a single cent

[green mountain]

I was remarking that I miss when the game industry was less profit driven.

[bitter tinsel]

Well, I mean
1: Piracy sites simply aren’t aren’t as trustworthy as sites like Steam though that’s just expected.
2: You can still get a virus while following universal safety protocols. It’s not as common if you do but it happens.
3: You’ll probably have to get games across different websites that have different reputations/etc

[limpid vine]

that has never been the case

[wanton sigil]

No piracy talk

[bitter tinsel]

cough cough yeah let's ignore the crypto miner games on steam

[quasi verge]

“We’ve heard you, out of the potentially hundreds of thousands of people who vote against the pricing, 5 people want the pricing, so we are keeping this pricing”

[green mountain]

i got crap to do, have a nice day guys :)

[limpid vine]

idk how we even got onto that topic tbh, or what it has to do with anything here

[bitter tinsel]

Even simpler version is:

"We heard you, but we don't care"

[bitter tinsel]

That’s a terrible counter argument but we can’t continue

[quasi verge]

So true

[bitter tinsel]

If they truly cared they would have announced that they are gonna change something ASAP, or simply removed the change.

[smoky escarp]

i don't know, i'm not pessimistic, even more after the 4% royalty leak

[bitter tinsel]

I don't think that is enough to make people switch back, even if the leak is true

[smoky escarp]

it probably is

[plain hamlet]

I hope not

[tawny lance]

Blud is being condescending instead of replying like a human being. It's sad.

[bitter tinsel]

The keyword I've seen used over and over again is trust, basically everyone is stating that they've lost trust in Unity.

[near crane]

Unity did alot of F ups before this, this was just the nail on the coffin, the grave already been dug

[tepid charm]

No need to add fuel, just skip and move on

[quasi verge]

The higher ups at Unity are too greedy

[bitter tinsel]

I really love getting muted

[bitter tinsel]

Yeah, there have been waves of people leaving, latest one being around a year back. This was the cherry on top.

[smoky escarp]

I've said this several times in chat, but I doubt that people will harbour any resentment, I can't think of any companies that made bad decisions and the public really abandoned them (even though they should)

[limpid vine]

the game dev boycott should reply with a letter:

“We heard Unity’s response, and are extremely pleased with their dedication to their community. We realize we acted too hastily in our initial response, and we are ready to correct that. Going forward, our boycott will only apply to games that we make. We hope this helps ammend our relationship with unity to a fruitful one in future.“

[bitter tinsel]

Definitely is though a lot of people will continue to avoid it unless the engine itself gets massively improved

[bitter tinsel]

LMFAOO, genius.

[fading wolf]

once people start switching over, they're not going to come back, that much is definitely true... given the current state of unity itself, people were already looking over at the greener grasses around.... the current clusterfuck was really just the final match dropping on the pool of gas

[smoky escarp]

yep, agreed

[wanton sigil]

No piracy talk

[light cipher]

Aye captain

[bitter tinsel]

Which character is your pfp?

Principal of the school in Simpsons

[tawdry dirge]

until they realize the grass isn't greener on the other side ^^

[bitter tinsel]

Thanks!

[tawny lance]

Seymour Skinner

[limpid vine]

i’m not seeing any rn. Are the comments just getting deleted? Asking to make sure the problematic comments are not ones on the board.

[tepid charm]

Oh but it is. =[

[bitter tinsel]

Yeah, I couldn't remember the name

[near crane]

Principal of Unity Discord Moderation Team

[fading wolf]

yeah, that's my main fear of moving out tbh... maybe we just don't know what the other engines have that is equally messed up

[wary smelt]

Super Nintendo Chalmers

[bitter tinsel]

True. What I meant was new devs in the future may move to Unity for the hypothetical reasons I mentioned

[dark gulch]

Idk about that, unity is awesome but there some somethings that other engines do better

[bitter tinsel]

@crisp sonnet check dms

[bitter tinsel]

Actually, someone made a really cool Godot grass shader that looks really amazing (and is fully free-to-use)

[tawdry dirge]

i mean i'm drooling at unreal graphics but apart from that, i'm not seeing what other engines do better really

[fading wolf]

into unity? yeah, currently I would say that doesn't sound like the healthy choice... for someone just starting to learn, you have zero incentive right now to choose unity

[quasi verge]

Positive for Unity, not for us developers

[near crane]

Well, they aren't allowed to say we're getting bad news exactly

[tepid charm]

Didn't necesserily say positive news. Just that they would comment in a few days.

[fading wolf]

they did? was there anything new since a few hours ago?

[bitter tinsel]

Don't treat their users like shit?

[near crane]

oh yeah I saw some BOTW quality grass godot video today, sick

[bitter tinsel]

If the engine itself got massive improvements and the tos is acceptable then perhaps

[tepid charm]

Which engines have you tried?

[fading wolf]

yeah, that's a very big if.... at least today

[bitter tinsel]

Future devs, well either way, you’re right

[tawdry dirge]

oh i thought we're talking about engines ^^

[bitter tinsel]

While Unity develops, Unreal and Godot will develop and improve too

[fading wolf]

assuming unity folds under completely and gets picked up by a new company?

[tawny lance]

Well, a good game isn't made by an excellent tool. It is made by an excellent developer.

[wary smelt]

Guys Godot is the worst engine in the world because it won’t help me make my massively online photorealistic open world procedural battle royale game

[limpid vine]

When I initially agreed to use Unity, I agreed to the terms which basically said something along the lines of “You need to buy a $2k license if you make >$100k in revenue with it.” I agreed to this, and not a royalty fee structure on top of this.

[bitter tinsel]

An engine run by a corp is only as good as the corporation itself. For engines like Godot this doesn't apply. However for an engine like unity or Unreal, if the company behind it makes a shit decision that directly affects the engine it is part of the engine.

[bitter tinsel]

2D since I doubt Unity will ever catch up to Unreal and some of the other 3D engines. Unity is already subjectively better than Godot

[primal drum]

Terraria

[tepid charm]

Godot has made strides to catch up with Unity, meanwhile Unity has been too focused on non-gaming markets that the tools have stagnated for years. I agree, Unity will be surpassed by Godot in the near future.

[fading wolf]

It really is a slap to the face that the whole fees thing is on top of existing subscriptions isn't it?

[tawdry dirge]

hm, over the years, way too many: ogre3d, truevision3d, nGinx, Unigine, Unreal, Unity, Godot, Flax and o3de lately

[bitter tinsel]

Godot is already better for 2D and catching up with 3D, and Unreal is already miles better for 3D... so they have a lot of work to do

[limpid vine]

For my own game, I’ve been thinking about it, and I think I’ll continue with Unity as I wrap up my project since I already built most of the infrastructure. And I probably wouldn’t make it bigtime anyway. I would switch to Godot for future projects.

I wish I had known Godot was better for 2D, because I would have started with it if I knew Unity would be wacky with 2D.

[light cipher]

Proof that you can't use Python with Godot.

[dark gulch]

Just do what all those failed NFT games did: use unreal and some assets to make an appealing and good looking trailer, then rug pull after the hype dies down

[bitter tinsel]

This is from what I've seen the general consensus.

Finish project > switch engines

[tawdry dirge]

you must have missed how the lead dev of godot treated vblanco

[bitter tinsel]

Godot is better than Unity for 2D? Unity?

[fading wolf]

yeah, one thing that REALLY made me look wistfully at the greener grasses of the unreal pastures was the day I decided to look up how to get DLSS working in my project

[limpid vine]

this is what i hear

[dark gulch]

Thank u, unreal engine, for making good graphics so we can scam people easier

[fading wolf]

only to find that oh no, no, that is for the HDRP caste only. Lowly BRP peasants don't deserve such things

[bitter tinsel]

From my experience it's better and more fun...

And more beginner friendly

[dark gulch]

I'm just joking, unreal is a nice engine in general

[bitter tinsel]

Unity is also beginner friendly so you could easily get into either

[tawdry dirge]

lots of fluff words

[wary smelt]

Plenty of people, myself include, think so

[bitter tinsel]

Not really, it's more daunting than Godot.

[tepid charm]

Unity was always 3d first. 2d is basically shoehorned in. Godot is the opposite.

[waxen dock]

guys is unity ceo going to be fired anytime soon?

[bitter tinsel]

Ah I guess it’s mainly just another personal preference thing

[wary smelt]

Either way, it doesn’t matter, but I just prefer the workflow for 2d in Godot. But use what you want

[dark gulch]

I doubt it

[quasi verge]

We hope so

[frank python]

its the opposite if u have brain cells

[fading wolf]

unity is actually really not great for 2D... I honestly sometimes miss how easy it was to do motion graphics in Flash (scripting in flash was just punishment though)

But I suppose there's a reason why big AAA shops still use Scaleform for UI stuff

[bitter tinsel]

The ideal Unity experience

[dark gulch]

My project has gone pretty smoothly, idk, but I really loves unity's work flow

[bitter tinsel]

Isn’t one of Unity’s main selling points how good it is for complete beginners?

[frank python]

yea and it is great

[wary smelt]

I hate the 2d workflow in Unity with a passion

[tawdry dirge]

nothing will be better than flash for 2d. i think that hole has never been filled

[fading wolf]

I was surprised to see Starfield's swf ui files. Scaleform is still going, almost a decade after flash itself 😄

[dark gulch]

Yeah, but Godot is even easier

[tepid charm]

*was

[bitter tinsel]

Maybe it used to be, in Unity it takes you 10 minutes to figure out where stuff is, in Godot you already have a working 2D demo.

[bitter tinsel]

Probably but you can still get into either relatively easily

[frank python]

unreal is the WORST for beginners wish they had better learning material. every tutorial they do everything different

[plain hamlet]

SFML + Box2D love ❤️

[dark gulch]

Least I would assume, maybe when Godot has a few more years of dev and features added on to it, it will be just as daunting as unity

[bitter tinsel]

I haven’t tried the newer versions tbh

[frank python]

im actively learning unreal so who u calling fanboy? its complete facts

[tepid charm]

Starting Godot has been a breath of fresh air after >10 years of Unity

[obtuse oyster]

It was and still is.

[dark gulch]

Huh? Unreal hasn't really changed much over the years, imo... Unreal 4 has been pretty consistent in it's update history, and hell, imo you can still use unreal 4 tutorials for unreal 5

[bitter tinsel]

Ik a friend who has no game dev experience and can't code and has already made a pretty cool game demo using blueprints and assets

[fading wolf]

I hated on flash every minute I had to work on it. It is therefore my inalienable right now to be nostalgic about the things we took for granted. This is how our forefathers did it, and we will carry on the tradition!

[surreal basin]

still no news?

[chrome crest]

📢

[frank python]

im not trying to use blueprints im going for c++ as blueprints isnt as good for the types of games im trying to make it will be even slower then unity

[bitter tinsel]

I haven't used Unity for that long, but I certainly agree with it being a breath fresh air. Made game dev feel more of a hobby again than something I feel like I have to do.

[fading wolf]

visual programming is probably going to be found to be unhealthy in some way, by some study in the future

[near crane]

this fr, only been a few yrs for me in unity tho but still

[bitter tinsel]

Yeah but considering this situation, I didn’t think it would be a good idea for me to bring up Unity’s large player base

[bitter tinsel]

I agree with it being bad, just wanted to point out that for some people it allows them to make games really easily

[tepid charm]

What I like most is how quickly I'm able to port my packages over using C#. Just removing the Unity specific tags and things are working.

[wary smelt]

You have to deal with dependency hell bullshit with Unity

[frank python]

i wish godot had better 3d is there a update coming anytime soon?

[tepid charm]

Plus the git repo is so much cleaner because there isn't a meta file for every script file

[bitter tinsel]

Isn’t 4 good for 3D?

[bitter tinsel]

Check the Reddit LOL

Godot is good for 3D

[fading wolf]

node based stuff is alright for HEAVY template-based stuff, like shaders maybe... even then, only until you need to do something like value = 1f - min(value % x, y) or something

[near crane]

it is good for 3d (im a 3d godot user) contrary to popular belief...

[frank python]

its "good" but not nearly as good as unity

[gentle abyss]

Alternatives

[tepid charm]

Well, not necessarily. With proper OOP practices, you can completely decouple everything.

[bitter tinsel]

Yeah no, it's better because there is no Unity bs

[wary smelt]

https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-2-dev-5/

[fading wolf]

that one line is going to take up an entire screen in some tools

[gentle abyss]

i need an alternative

[bitter tinsel]

? That’s probably just his personal experience with it or general opinion after seeing some of it’s capabilities

[bitter tinsel]

Godot/Unreal/Stride/Flax

[tepid charm]

Do you just use the Godot docs, or do you have any recommendations for 3D learning?

[bitter tinsel]

He probs used Godot 2 or 3

[bitter tinsel]

Ehh, he commented on me talking about 4

[gentle abyss]

were gonna look into Godot or unreal IG

[near crane]

I just used godot docs and random YT tutorials, I also barely touch the Visual Stuff in it (yet), but the little tests I done I see alot of hope in porting my stuff over, I also seen alot of good visual tech demos though

[bitter tinsel]

I have to go now

[wary smelt]

Honestly, Godot 4 seems doable for lowpoly

[bitter tinsel]

Actually, they removed visual script in Godot 4

[bitter tinsel]

I’m using Unity tutorials for Godot lol

[gentle abyss]

we were almost finished too about at 80 percent completion for the demo everything but level design was done and we had plans to announce it tmrw

[bitter tinsel]

People have made photorealistic demos with it (unrecord looking stuff)

[near crane]

oops by visual stuff I meant 3d stuff, poorly explained there, I dont do visual scripting in anything I rather type lol

[gentle abyss]

20 cents per purchase would be fine

[bitter tinsel]

You can probably just finish the project in Unity then

[dark gulch]

I mean yeah that's fair, C++ isn't the most friendly language, you can figure it out quickly enough, esp since unreal's flavor of C++ is all macros

[gentle abyss]

No pricing change is the problem
we dont wanna deal with install

[bitter tinsel]

Yeah, consumer hardware isn't ready for photorealism yet

[bitter tinsel]

More than fine, actually reasonable (if they communicated that more)

[dark gulch]

... WHY IS IT ALL MACROS??

[frank python]

i hate the syntax a gastly amount but it will be worth learning as i can make even better things in unreal as i mostly make realistic type games

[bitter tinsel]

insert astronaut meme

[gentle abyss]

install tho hell naw

[quasi verge]

Just a shame Unity got greedy

[dark gulch]

C++ syntax is the same as C# syntax

[gentle abyss]

3 years wasted i supose

[bitter tinsel]

Transferable skills and knowledge

[frank python]

no i mean all the pointers and :: and shit

[dark gulch]

Hence why both are C languages

[bitter tinsel]

I’m still wondering why html comments are they way there are

[gentle abyss]

most of us had experience
mine was just messing around in free game engines but hey

and stuff like mario maker

[near crane]

night all, hope you have a good one, also hope to wake up to fun news tomorrow

[dark gulch]

I'm gonna do the dumbest decision ever (at least to some of the people here)

I'm gonna make my first commercial game (which is in 2D)... in unity

[gentle abyss]

people could delete and reinstall
my main worry

[dark gulch]

Nah

[gentle abyss]

its an internet thing
someone odesnt like your game uh oh your out of money

[dark gulch]

People wouldn't do that to me, everyone loves me!
Some even say that I'm terrific athlete

[limber widget]

It is only dumb if it is successfull

[gentle abyss]

its the install part that i hate purchase is fine but oh wlel

[bitter tinsel]

Drama still active

Same here, really liking it so far.

I can’t think of any justification or anything tbh

[bitter tinsel]

Gn

Thanks, good luck to you too!!!

[light cipher]

Nothing wrong with that. You can get some interesting effects using 3d cameras and side scroller layouts.

[bitter tinsel]

Well, there is still the chance of an EU lawsuit happening forcing unity to let people using older unity versions use the older TOS

At least they announced it instead of instantly adding it to the TOS?

[bitter tinsel]

Doesn't change how fucked some studios are

Yep, but there is no way Unity itself will do that.

[ivory jewel]

https://jobs.mihoyo.com/m/social-recruitment/mihoyo/42280/#/job/be1ec942-7e3b-42bf-bab9-43d7d07a3afe

Mihoyo (genshin devs) has 39 engine developer job openings. Its so over for unity

[bitter tinsel]

Oh lol, RIP

[bitter tinsel]

Didn’t they already consider that? Publicly

I’ll recheck

[bitter tinsel]

No, they deleted something regarding it (I forgot what exactly it was tho, but it was something about letting users use the TOS of their current unity version)

[hushed trench]

The Genshingine

[bitter tinsel]

Oh alright

[bitter tinsel]

And they deleted it silently

[timid quest]

many people, big corps use unity because it's free, not because they can't make their own engine if they're big enough

[chrome crest]

genshin impact itself is a decent game, but the community isn't

[static arrow]

Konami Nitendo Bandai still use Unity

[bitter tinsel]

The monetization is kinda predatory

[bitter tinsel]

And someone tried to consider that the timing was coincidental

[static arrow]

jumping on conclusion of Unity is over is not smart, you should investigate the market before saying, there are a lot of company that equal as big as mihoyo, you see myhoyo is just a small fly

[bitter tinsel]

Unity definitely isn’t over

It's on the edge

[chrome crest]

and if they did completely revert this change they will have a hard time trying to recover from this massive catastrophe

[marble oyster]

Average gacha game:

[bitter tinsel]

I want to disagree but a lot of them definitely are like that

[chrome crest]

chan of the unity

[bitter tinsel]

Unity Chan

[chrome crest]

[gentle abyss]

yeah retroactively is a proble m as well

[ivory jewel]

list 5

[static arrow]

let's see, your beloved Azur lane was made on Unity, Idol Master, Yugioh, FGO Pokemon

[ruby void]

I don't think there's any version of this that would have gone down a whole lot differently than what happened. It is a massively transformational change to our business model. - Great statement from the CEO.

[dark gulch]

It will be successful, it's gonna be a #1 jam!

[steady owl]

well...

the infernal loop of complaint stopped?

[static arrow]

don't talk to me with that tone, kid, you research yourself and see it, open your damn eyes

wanna try to fk with me?, yeah i will include porn games that use Unity, Illusions games, Custom Maid 3D, Illusion successor

he asked list 5 games that use Unity engine that popular, before even researching himself, and i'm not talking to you i'm talking to Coty, what is wrong with you

[near crane]

Ye, they think bsns partners will fall for gacha tactics, fools, were not gamers, were devs

[timid quest]

after this dev cycle there will be massive shift from unity to other engines

[smoky onyx]

So guys, quick update for me: whatcha think is the consensus? its over for unity I assume?
Too much media damage?

[static arrow]

it going to hit Unity but it is not that hard consider how big and small profit it is, like you kicking butts of some small devs, but the big companies still paying you

also also, asobimo, a smaller company still make money and all of their game are using Unity

[tacit tusk]

there were tons of people in here earlier who want to stick with unity, bizarre

[static arrow]

the problem is anyone who use Java script will still use Unity since that is the only engine support Javascript, and don't be racist, many developers use JavaScript

[smoky onyx]

Well.. its kinda delusional to think anyone would make long-term plans with a company that seems to 4x annual plans + add extra fees even retroactively, right?

[static arrow]

i'm not defending it, i'm saying what is clearly the case, go research it

[tacit tusk]

some people are just too afraid to change

[idle sigil]

I don't understand how they can extract 2 billion per year from gaming, that ain't happening

[tacit tusk]

^^ Ads

[static arrow]

and you think small indie games in debt and leave the company will damaged them? no, you are free to leave or like he said put micro transaction in your game

[idle sigil]

How much marketshare do they need though ?

[tacit tusk]

they want to own all ingame mobile adverts

[solid plank]

Just barely beneath the threshold that would trigger anti-trust lawsuits

[static arrow]

against, i'm not telling you to keep using Unity, i'm telling you Unity consider indie games developers are small fly consider the big income from Japan industry

[wary smelt]

Reading your comments anger me. You are beyond ignorant

@static arrow you’re anti indie and anti game if you support Unity

Anyone who supports what Unity is doing has none of my respect. It is clear that the people who do are anti video games

[static arrow]

now now, don't heat it up else somebody will call mods , i told you you don't have to stay with Unity, there are a lot of engine that can replace Unity, and for somebody say Unity is over, that is not true because as long as Japan funding it, they will never go bankrupt, their trust is damaged

[bitter tinsel]

Bro trynna act tough on a game dev server 💀

[gleaming garnet]

ya chill @lone tulip

[thorny dew]

🍿

[bitter tinsel]

He's just speaking facts lol

[wary smelt]

Bro is this from some gangster movie script, you in a gamedev server homie lol

[mortal stratus]

(people are going to forget about all this in a couple weeks when the next internet hate bandwagon happens. Most devs who are invested in Unity will continue using it. The most damaging aspects of the policy change have been reversed and it wasn't going to affect the vast majority of game devs in any case anyway. But have fun with your bandwagoning)

[static arrow]

let me repeat, there are a lot of engine for game developers to pick, you don't have to stick with Unity, and Unity will never bankrupt as long as Japan funding them, read it

[bitter tinsel]

Nothing has been reversed

[floral zinc]

what's a bandwagon

[bitter tinsel]

Basically a trend that every hops on

[near crane]

Damn, no more illussion games... Wait, they already betrayed us

[static arrow]

also the rumor of 4% revenue will be apply on which mean they will not use per instal anymore

[wary smelt]

You are anti-developer. Trash mindset, you have no respect for people who make games. Disgusting

[bitter tinsel]

rumor

[mortal stratus]

Yes and right now that trend is shitting on Unity. The mob will find something else to shake their pitchforks at next week.

[static arrow]

there is Illusion successor, he is released the first title now

[floral zinc]

bro there is a civil war going on inthis channel right now wtrf

[neat peak]

tbf the trend is shitting on unity for good reason

[bitter tinsel]

It's not a trend, it's an event that severely affects the gaming industry

[mortal stratus]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-18/unity-overhauls-controversial-price-hike-after-game-developers-revolt?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTY5NTA1NjI4MCwiZXhwIjoxNjk1NjYxMDgwLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTMTZYUzFUMVVNMFcwMSIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiJCMUVBQkI5NjQ2QUM0REZFQTJBRkI4MjI1MzgyQTJFQSJ9.TW0g4uyu_9WyNcs1sDARt9YUgkkzXQlA9BcsFmcr7pc

[wary smelt]

You are a corporate lapdog cheering on the destruction of a beloved art form

[bitter tinsel]

Under the tentative new plan, learn English lol

[wary smelt]

You are anti art

Anti artist

Anti small business

Anti video games

[solid plank]

Dat JWT starting with the well-known "eyJhb"

[near crane]

Ppl need to stop posting rumors as proof of change

[bitter tinsel]

Tentative means uncertain btw, they are reporting on the possibility of Unity backtracking, the article is based on a rumor.

[static arrow]

a lot of misunderstanding, you are a game developer, you can pick whatever engine yo want to use on your game, i'm not defend anyone, but THE BIG COMPANIES IN APAN STILL FUNDING THEM SO THEY WILL NOT GO BANKRUPT, AND I'M NOT SAYING UNITY INSTALLATION FEE IS OK, AND I DIDN'T EVEN MENTIONED IT IN MY REPLY EITHER

THIS IS YOR JUMPING IN A CONCLUSION, I say Japan game industry still funding them with big titles

[near crane]

Jp devs move to Godot, Godot go brrr

[bitter tinsel]

Which japanese company is funding them? Mihoyo that is looking for 37 new engine devs?

*Just remembered mihoyio is Chinese

[tacit tusk]

everyone is free to choose, if you choose to get ripped off by unity for $2k a seat + some kind of revshare, go for it... Lots of people will stick with unity because its what they know

[wary smelt]

JP studios also want to save money

[near crane]

JP studios moved to blender, they'll move to Godot as well

[bitter tinsel]

100%

[static arrow]

Konami, Bandainamco, Nitendo, and some small company, Illusion successor, illusion game, Custom maid 3D

[elfin sail]

Pretty sure Mihoyo is not affected by the news as they and a few other bigger Chinese companies have a partnership with Unity

[bitter tinsel]

It's been less than a week LOL, do you expect big studios to change engines instantly?

[elfin sail]

The Unity news probably doesn't apply to China at all. In the runtime fee blog, China isn't listed as one of the countries affected

[tacit tusk]

I will choose whatever is the best tool / best value for each project going forward... Unity will no longer be my go to engine though, i doub't i`ll even renew pro

[mortal stratus]

It's based on a recording of a meeting with the Unity C-Suite. It's clear that changes are coming to address the most egregious hypothetical scenarios and the other most egregious thing which was the installation tracking. I'm telling you by the end of the month most people will have moved on from this

[visual crypt]

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/microsofts-phil-spencer-acquiring-nintendo-would-be-a-good-move-for-both-companies

[thorny dew]

Alright, it’s been fun y’all, I’m muting this channel now. I would pay…no, I would not pay $0.20 for this entertainment. Goodbye.

[wary smelt]

You can’t just wake up one day and snap your fingers and turn a 3 year Unity project into a Godot projects. Are you bloody insane @static arrow

[static arrow]

i'm not saying indie game should stick with Unity if they can use other engines, beside i didn't even reply to the comment of how indies game will deal with this, i say Unity consider indies games are small fly compare to big companies

[bitter tinsel]

Is there even and evidence that it truly is lol? It's a leak, it's uncertain, therefore it's a mere rumor. Also, even if it is real, it's not proven that that's what they will go with.

[opaque drift]

i'm just gonna keep learning unity so that i can get all the jobs once everybody leaves, bottom of the barrel baby!

[static arrow]

yeah, go learn Japanese and tell that to Konami so they switch engine, or Nitendo

[bitter tinsel]

There probably won't be any, companies have been moving to Unreal and indies will move to Godot

[wary smelt]

No JP company will stick with Unity bro

[opaque drift]

yeah exactly leave everybody!!

[tacit tusk]

many projects will be too far in to make a switch worth the hassle, just keep your options open for the next project, bear in mind though, you will need to continue renewing pro to benefit from the $1million threshold.

[bitter tinsel]

Actual gangsta moment

[opaque drift]

ez gamedev ez life

[wary smelt]

Chad move

[near crane]

Sigma

[bitter tinsel]

@static arrow Nintendo is probably preparing a lawsuit against Unity as we speak

[opaque drift]

unity gives nintendo special break lol what? @bitter tinsel

[wary smelt]

Why are so many people defending this dogshit company

[rigid moon]

This is english discord.

[bitter tinsel]

Every place on the net has idiots

[opaque drift]

ROFL

[static arrow]

i'm not defending Unity ( i'm using UE5 myself , i come here for drama ), but i speak the fact

[wanton sigil]

Let's keep it in English, and non threatening.

[opaque drift]

yes master

[chrome crest]

i'm not defending unity when it comes to business desicions like this

[opaque drift]

i want you all to leave unity now!

[steady owl]

Ay Caramba...

[charred pelican]

why are you still here if you hate unity?

[marble oyster]

This channel is alr despicable as it is.

[static arrow]

you don't have the right to ask people that, people has free will

[solid plank]

I guess speaking in Japanese is offtopic here.

[opaque drift]

@static arrow how was that asking?

[near crane]

Principal is back, get bk to your desk everyone!

[rigid moon]

Mods cant mod if things arnt in english.

[wary smelt]

Why are you still here if you’re triggered by people being here

[wanton sigil]

Keep it in English, last warning.

[bitter tinsel]

Vencord > Translator plugin

[opaque drift]

micro brain lol @static arrow with the edit

[charred pelican]

not triggered, just wondering?

[marble oyster]

"The cutest Discord client mod"
Wut?

[near crane]

Words of an Orc.. what would one expect

[opaque drift]

hahaha

[wary smelt]

What’s it to you? I can do whatever I want

[rigid moon]

oh i thought it was a troll pfp

[static arrow]

you are not imtimidating me, keep trying ,you are just a fly on the earth

[bitter tinsel]

Vencord/Vesktop is basically Better discord on steroids. It's a 3rd party discord Client that allows you to install plugins and customize the client

[charred pelican]

ah, just one of those trolls I guess

[opaque drift]

ROFL!

[wary smelt]

Cry more

[bitter tinsel]

True

[worn orbit]

Isn't this an international community? Why are we banning languages now?
I didn't insult anybody in my message either.
How about people that can't express themselves well in English, are you gonna exclude them ?

[steady owl]

I'm Living In Venezuela, an absolute 💩 hole.
Thanks to the efforts Of Unity to make an accesible Game Even for me, in this place. Deserve at least, Defend it a little for a while.

[rigid moon]

Rules are rules not up for debate

[static arrow]

i speak for the fact, i'm not defending anyone or any company, if you want, go research, don't jump to conclusion Unity will fall and bankrupt themselves

[bitter tinsel]

Discord says it's a nono, but literally no one has been banned because of it.

[marble oyster]

International within reason, otherwise we would need mods of different languages.
The answer is yes.

[rigid moon]

Also segregates the conversation into pocket conversations of different languages

[near crane]

Wark wark grammar just make it more immersive, I can't

[bitter tinsel]

🤷

[static arrow]

because ENGRISH is not my first language, and more of this will be a racist situation

[solid plank]

So, any predictions on "a couple of days" is how long, according to Unity?

[steep marten]

ayo what happened seems like there's been an argument spewing

[opaque drift]

unity vs non-unity... it's heated!

[charred pelican]

yeah, remember when unity used to charge 3k just to make apk? (1500 for pro, 1500 for android support)
now it's being free is something I appreciate

[wary smelt]

Are you seriously defending a company that’s set out to bankrupt countless small developers? Gimme a break

[opaque drift]

doesn't everybody just pirate this like everything else? rofl

[tacit tusk]

unreal is even free-er 🙂

[solid plank]

My prediction for Unity to respond after "a couple of days" is around September 26

[bitter tinsel]

My first language is a Slavic tongue, and yet I am able to speak English fluently and have perfect grammar. Sounds like an orc issue to me lol.

[steady owl]

Or the 3d sound only avaliable for plus? or TextMesh was a paid asset? all free now

[steep marten]

quite literally

[opaque drift]

get the orcs outta here rofl

[rigid moon]

English server, workwork is trolling everyone and everyones taking the bait

[static arrow]

yeah you are right, because behind Japan is a shit hole which i don't tant to talk about, Japan is not like you think

[steep marten]

chill out bud

[marble oyster]

I've heard of countries where the english subject is close to neglected.

[opaque drift]

lol when a normie is taken to be a troll hahaha

[bitter tinsel]

"You've... been... trolled, you've been trolled"

[spark shard]

Like the US?

[steady owl]

Hardbase music Intensifies

[vernal kindle]

where the fuck are the mods 💀

[wary smelt]

Bro who is work work this guy is just going crazy

[opaque drift]

yeah cussing here, ban mods pl0x

[steep marten]

there was a mod 8 minutes ago LOL

[bitter tinsel]

Actually we mainly produce CZ/SK rap aka muble rap

[solid plank]

TextMesh Pro is one of the best dev stories I have heard about. It was a fascinating story when it broke out in this channel

[static arrow]

a game developer use UE5 and want to watch drama on Unity channel

[steady owl]

I can say bad words always if is in english?

[opaque drift]

i guess so

[steep marten]

anyways tho today's developments on the reaction of unity runtime fee have been quite interesting ngl

[wary smelt]

So this is just drama to you? Countless lives being potentially ruined. Gimme a fucking break dude

[tacit tusk]

textmesh pro is crap, its slow

[vernal kindle]

bruh im not talking about the swearing im talking about calling people "orcs"

[bitter tinsel]

Something limey is going on in this server

[kindred olive]

so does every country be happy you aren’t in venezuela bolivia cuba or china😹

[steady owl]

the default UI font system was crappier.

[opaque drift]

Orc is not a profane word in any language lol

[tacit tusk]

the whole ui system is slow and crap

[spark shard]

it is in elvish and entish, possibly dwarf as well

[steep marten]

I think its by far bringing hope to other game engines and further bringing doom to unity. Like with the Relogic donations and the Project Unifree which should be long-term benefits to other game engines 👍

[wary smelt]

I know people who had to flee war zones and this guy is saying Japan isn’t nice

[bitter tinsel]

Was about to say this lol

[opaque drift]

no "Orc" doesn't exist in those languages...

[solid plank]

It was a lot easier to work with thanks to its ability to auto-break sentences and text in the UI, than the default Unity version which you have to customize it out by hand

[static arrow]

i didn't said anything about game developers or defending the company , i said the fact that somebody said this is the end of Unity which is not true since Japan will still funding them no mater what and John consider Indie games are a small fly with his prior announcement of microtransaction, scroll up and read it from the begining

[wanton sigil]

Let's keep it relevant to the topic

[near crane]

This

[charred pelican]

nah, dont feed the troll

[vernal kindle]

someone called someone else an orc for not speaking english. i know orc isn't a swear word lol

[bitter tinsel]

Also, the word "Orc" is commonly used to describe Russian soldiers.

[opaque drift]

too much smooth here smh, they offended by orc

[tacit tusk]

mecanim performance is also terrible.

[steep marten]

I feel like over the next couple of days, there's going to be more huge announcements and im super curious to see what other bigger companies do that's unique compared to others

[marble oyster]

I thought that's just a mythical creature.

[steady owl]

Work culture in Japan is Scary.

[rigid moon]

gl everyones still upset about changes and no news and we cant diffuse the situation with humor and memes so people starting to go at each other...

[opaque drift]

@steep marten nobody cares

[kindred olive]

fr i would do so many things to move out of brazil to japan.

[solid plank]

Microsoft buying Nintendo is a huge newstrender, for one. Impossible, I know.

[static arrow]

not only work, the situation of education is much worse

[steep marten]

lol people are getting kinda worked up at everything 💀

[floral zinc]

haiii guys :3 (*/ω＼*)

[opaque drift]

all unity game dev jobs about to be outsourced to Argentina, at least we can save that poohole countries economy

[kindred olive]

yes but every country has its cons, im guessing you would want to move from venezuela to japan if u could?

[bitter tinsel]

I don’t think there’s anything constructive that can be said here that wasn’t brought up fifty times anymore

I hate the Unity changes so much. I literally woke up with COVID the day after, that's how sick it made me -_-

[marble oyster]

I'm just going along with these interesting off-topic conversations if there's one.

[wary smelt]

My family is from fucking Syria. People who say ”first world country is shithole” are usually ungrateful morons

[worn orbit]

I work here, it has never been scary for me.

[near crane]

I woke up with AIDS..

[floral zinc]

lmao no way 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[steep marten]

ahhh that sucks 😭 . gws

[opaque drift]

@bitter tinsel dang covid isn't even real lol that sucks!

[rigid moon]

new people joining discussion could learn some stuff, but at least if we had memes convo could be funny and not be fighting each other.

[steady owl]

As a Venezuelan I can confirm. But I was a very deep fan of japanese culture. Until the day I found THE REAL japanese culture. No the Exportable Japanese Pop Culture.

[kindred olive]

Argentinians seeing 1 dollar🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[bitter tinsel]

Trust me, you don't want to live in the capitalistic hellhole that is the US.

[marble oyster]

Restart the panemic?
I'm getting tired of school again.

[chrome crest]

nahh that's outrageously insane

[solid plank]

I agree. Work isn't as terrible as what people say in the media.

[opaque drift]

this is a slash ignore thread for them lol

[bitter tinsel]

True

[steady owl]

Imagine The Founder seeing the amount he packed de last weekend. He is from Argentina

[spark shard]

pretty happy in the good old US tbh, but too each their own

[rigid moon]

i am not wanting to be a mod, i am saying mods should allow memes they almost banned me for trying to get memes allowed lol

[steep marten]

media has truly been cooking up some stuff lately 🔥

[bitter tinsel]

Actually serious tho, started with a light cold and sore throat... Currently have a constantly runny nose, sore throat, constant coughing and my head hurts lol

[opaque drift]

sounds like aids

[marble oyster]

The intent of this channel in the first place is to be more serious is my guess.
That's clearly impossible is it?

[kindred olive]

you don’t understand how much i would sacrifice to move there. america is bad for americans apparently but for me it’s one of the best countries to live in. Way stabler than South America and even Europe rn tbh.

[floral zinc]

"no memes in pricing-updates-talk"🤖

[solid plank]

🔥🔥✍️🔥🔥 Let them cook while we wait on Unity

[bitter tinsel]

Yeah... let's ignore project 2025

[opaque drift]

@lone tulip BYE!

[steep marten]

all the big game companies are cooking so hard rn (especially terraria)

[marble oyster]

Gonna have to up the cooldown.

[floral zinc]

oh rip get well

[wary smelt]

I’m second generation Canadian, but I have relatives who moved to murica. America is shit in a lot of ways compared to other first world countries. but for a lot of people from second or third world, America is a dream in comparison to back home

[worn orbit]

I moved from Venezuela to Greece, to the UK, to Japan.
I don't think I will ever move out of here, this place is just incredible all-around.

[static arrow]

their hospital fee is crazy, 10000 for child birth and fee for holding your baby after giving birth

[steady owl]

🤔 Hard decision must confess

[bitter tinsel]

Most of the concerns I’ve heard centered around us are completely idiotic at best and can be said about any other place

[bitter tinsel]

The best place to move is still west or Central Europe tbh

[opaque drift]

@static arrow orcs don't give birth, you spawn out of mud shit and filth

[wary smelt]

I’ve been to Japan, it’s amazing

[spark shard]

happy to ignore conspiracy from both sides as it's silly 🙂

[dim hare]

I heard there was a API or something that could be re-written and was legally protected and would prevent the 20 cent charge, does anyone have any idea what exactly that is talking about?

[kindred olive]

ok at least they have hospitals with actual doctors who don’t r word women while they are giving light☠️

[near crane]

I heard its more like 20k now, crazy

[static arrow]

wow

[rigid moon]

everyone is still pissed off an angry, and humor is usually a good way to diffuse tension but we are not allowed to do that so where stuck here been "100% serious" getting frustrated and lashing out on each other....

[gentle abyss]

wont happen
Ms knows dman well it would be blocked

[slow hinge]

...

[marble oyster]

Reduce the cooldown even for a moment, this channel gonna move at speed of light.

[wanton sigil]

This stuff is way off topic

[static arrow]

ok good luck everyone, i speak for the fact and now i'm out,thanks for listening

[queen cairn]

A) Nintendo wouldn't let it happen and B) Legally speaking it is likely going to be hard

[spark shard]

Here comes the purge 😄

[opaque drift]

bye orc

[rigid moon]

has been for ages

[vernal kindle]

this channel needs like a 5 minute cooldown or something this is crazy

[spark shard]

Alright back to learning how to retarget things and use IK Rigs

[static arrow]

good luck to you i know you come here for drama too but you are helping indie dev, i'm very appreciate that

[gentle abyss]

its late stage capitalism at its worst

[wary smelt]

If you’re coming to a gamedev server for “drama”, go touch grass

[gentle abyss]

better than like china but stil sucks

[dim hare]

Absolutely
Not

[opaque drift]

LOL engrish?

[dim hare]

Why are people talking about capitalism

[steep marten]

tbh the server kinda needs an offtopic chat channel lmfao

[bitter tinsel]

Unity

[wanton sigil]

@static arrow Stop fighting

[dire kindle]

No it doesn't. this is an educational / learning platform

[rigid moon]

because people pissed off about changes and we are not allowed to use humor in this channel so everyones starting to attack each other.

[wary smelt]

Big corpo dicking over the little guy, seems relevant

[dim hare]

Who made a no fun allowed rule??

[bitter tinsel]

The purge movies IRL

[kindred olive]

petition to make a channel about orc and offtopic for us to discuss best place to live

[rigid moon]

mods this is a 100% serious no memes no funny messages channel

[dim hare]

That's pretty sad

[steep marten]

there's no big pricing updates rn besides people's actions towards it lol

[lethal star]

GUYSS IS IT TRUE? UNITY IS REVERTING BACK THEIR DECISION? I saw on twitter

[bitter tinsel]

Just like Unity's stock right now

[gentle abyss]

discord isnt meant to be educational

[tacit tusk]

no

[spark shard]

Yep after Elon buys them.

[mortal stratus]

probably

[steady owl]

now?

[dim hare]

What's the punishment for a meme? Instant bad? To the dungeon?

[steep marten]

probably not I highly doubt it

[kindred olive]

it’s a lie.

[near crane]

Omg it's rumors not true

[wanton sigil]

We just disallowed embeds

[opaque drift]

what did the Battlebit guys say?

[tacit tusk]

link? i don't believe you, they won't roll it back

[bitter tinsel]

** N O M E M E S I N G E N E R A L**

[lethal star]

Wow lots of u guys said no hahahha

U guys all doubt unity huh

[dim hare]

Does this mean non-embed memes are allowed? :0

Aw there's no images

[kindred olive]

transform this channel into #freeforall

[gentle abyss]

that might be worse
I AM NOT A MORON

[steep marten]

unfortunately they have gone so desperate into just making changes that its almost for sure they won't roll it back (the sad truth about higher ups is that they always want to stick to their ideas and almost never revert things)

[dire kindle]

memes arn't allowed full stop

[steady owl]

X Engine then?

[tacit tusk]

lol, I would love to see elon go in there and fire 7000 people

[bitter tinsel]

Can't even have funni gifs omfg, this is dictatorship

[rigid moon]

and links and posts that are to funny and reaction emoticons that are to off topic, all things people have gotten trouble for.

[bitter tinsel]

Tell that to Blender, Godot, any other big server with similar values/etc

[dim hare]

Maybe we should make a second server specifically for being mad at Unity (with memes)

[gentle sigil]

huh I see more and more of ppl unrelated to game dev talk about unity lowkey thought noone from outsiders cared or knew lol

[kindred olive]

we must post ascii memes

[patent lark]

You have been warned for this already back in 2020 and 2021, so yeah

[gentle abyss]

elon musk and twitter is litteraly the plot of portal 2

[opaque drift]

if you would all just gtfo of here and quit already instead of bitching that would be great mkaaayy?

[dire kindle]

Okay. but all of those are not this server. so it's irrelevent

[dim hare]

Lol the mods pulled out the warning history

[marble oyster]

Bruh.

[gentle sigil]

XD

[gentle abyss]

doesnt work on me so
checkmate mods your move

[kindred olive]

LMAO

[patent lark]

!warn 806518674579259413 do not post memes of any kind

[steep marten]

tbh the last thing we need is for the unity discord server to go viral for being out of control 💀

[bitter tinsel]

And that’s not a good come back. Unity doesn’t necessarily need an off topic channel but having one isn’t a bad idea

[bitter tinsel]

LMFAOOO, what do y'all got against ASCII

[opaque drift]

correct, cope or gtfo

[dim hare]

I don't remember the warnings but I am like 99% sure if I have warnings they were from vertex specifically

[dire kindle]

it had one, it was a bad idea, and now it doesnt

[gentle abyss]

how was it a bad idea

[wary smelt]

I prefer writing discords, for some reason gamedev discords are filled with angry nerds yelling at each other

[kindred olive]

and the mods don’t warn this guy? lol

[wanton sigil]

This chat is a good reminder as to why we don't have an off-topic channel

[bitter tinsel]

That’s a better explanation than you used before tbf :,)

[opaque drift]

@kindred olive nope you need to fend for yourself here buddy

[tacit tusk]

so, who has unity loaded right now? 🙂

[main lily]

The mods are already cutting a lot of slack on this channel and you people still complaining

[steep marten]

😭

[dim hare]

#off-topic is the garbage bin so people don't litter

[dire kindle]

Literally

[bitter tinsel]

I DEMAND JUSTICE! OVERTHROW THE MONARCHY! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN! NUKE UNITY SHARES! RAID THE HQ! SWITCH TO UNITY!!!

[bitter tinsel]

I mean, people are off topic here because there isn’t an off topic channel. Having one by itself isn’t a bad idea as long as it’s effectively moderated. Being lenient in a server as large as this one will also cause problems as there should be a balance. My main point was what Don said wasn’t really a good response. I’ll try to stay on topic though

[opaque drift]

@lone tulip lolwut, nice edit

[kindred olive]

you are a troll. your whole argument is gtfo and cope💀

[steep marten]

the only reason why I would load unity is whether I plan on migrating my project over to godot or starting over. besides that, I think unity itself as a company (not as a tool for game developers) has enough problems to deal with themselves

[patent lark]

!mute 806518674579259413 1d cool, thanks for the unnecessary spam, come back when you'd like to behave normally

[opaque drift]

@kindred olive not an argument, just a fact, nobody owes you anything, this isn't like the foodstamps you are using each week lol

[kindred olive]

all we need to do is talk about two things at the same time in the same chat

[glass field]

I’m deciding to start learning godot

[gentle abyss]

i love switching to unity to protest unity changes

[dim hare]

Send the new mods here for practice (lots of people to throw warnings at)
Give them real-world experience

[kindred olive]

no one owes unity anything either bucko😹

[steep marten]

godot is going to get better due to terraria's 100k fund

[solid plank]

When September ends /guitar_riff

[devout briar]

hopefully more companies follow with this

[opaque drift]

exactly so leave ROFL idiot

[gentle abyss]

fr im dodging all the warnings almost got hit by one

[steep marten]

plus with godot decides to become corrupt now, it will singlehandedly go down as one of the stupidest moments in history

[kindred olive]

and again… mods warn people for making jokes but not for people making fun at ppl who struggle to eat…

[opaque drift]

@kindred olive cry more?

[glass field]

Godot Seems more open source friendly。i think that Godot will have better support in the future。

[wary smelt]

If Godot goes corrupts then someone will just fork it

[devout briar]

godot literally is open source

[gentle abyss]

Portal 2 or peoples lives being ruined yeah ill pick portal 2( elon buying unity)

[tacit tusk]

elon for ceo!

[wanton sigil]

!warn 117402706049630209 Tone down the aggressiveness

[dim hare]

Portal 2 level editor is the best game engine

[steep marten]

LMFAO

[devout briar]

elon would pull the same shit

[dire kindle]

Elon can't afford unity.

[gentle abyss]

Source is unironically a great game engine tho

[spark shard]

nerf linked his tweet earlier

[opaque drift]

Unity isn't for sale

[tacit tusk]

he would go waayyyyy worse

[wary smelt]

Omg are there really Elon dickriders still 😂

[dim hare]

He can if we crash the shares enough

[devout briar]

"we"

[elfin sail]

Almost anything is for sale for the right price

[spark shard]

it is if you own 51% of the shares 😄

[steep marten]

when you mean "we" you mean the actual big game companies sacrificing their profits right

[opaque drift]

@elfin sail agreed

[rigid moon]

Public companies dont have to be up for sale to get bought.

[tacit tusk]

unity is public, anyone can buy 🙂

[bitter tinsel]

if elon owned unity we would all pay a base fee to use the engine and that would be it least thats the way X is going lol

[gentle abyss]

elon:
I AM NOT A MORON (he would be better than the current CEO)

[dire kindle]

factually false, Impossible to be a moron and a billionnaire

[kindred olive]

you’re the guy who is fighting invisible chats. it’s not a fact the only one who needs coping is you when you get warned. people are here to discuss how the price change will affect unity what they think of it, what’s good and bad abt it, etc. and ultimately provide feedback for unity. Cope and gtfo is not feedback.

[gentle abyss]

thats better than the current system (my main problem is it being download instead of bought and retroactively as well )

[opaque drift]

@kindred olive lol banned chats my microbrained friend

[gleaming coral]

Hi, has the leak been confirmed?

[steep marten]

what leak

[bitter tinsel]

By Unity?

[gentle abyss]

He got lucky twitter is litteraly portal 2 lmao

[opaque drift]

is the leak live?

[gleaming coral]

The exec meeting one

[steep marten]

about what

[wary smelt]

I’ve lost track of who’s fighting who at this point

[dire kindle]

That's not really necessary. No need to be hostile

[spark shard]

The one Elon was in?

[kindred olive]

you can’t assume that. Elon made paypal. Is paypal paid to use? no.

[dim hare]

Mods have diverted 90% of their power to this one chat

[gentle abyss]

this made me laugh lmao

[marble oyster]

"gonna call video integration into UI "X Videos"" - N.

[tacit tusk]

its elon vs Riccitiello

[gleaming coral]

4% cap

[patent lark]

Don't start off-topic discussions.

[kindred olive]

🤨

[dim hare]

This is why we need #off-topic

[gleaming coral]

Nope, will look at it

[steep marten]

not sure but hopefully? then again, it won't change much besides people being slightly happier

[gentle abyss]

Insert coutnry at war here and insert country at war here

[opaque drift]

too bad it was made with unity : (

[bitter tinsel]

This channel ram out of things to talk about :,)

[opaque drift]

nice edit

[dim hare]

I love democracy

[gleaming coral]

Amazing local coop

[patent lark]

!warn 893279561113010246 do not start off-topic conversations

[gentle abyss]

has anyone played the mods into eating a raw stick of butter

[kindred olive]

nah the mods just banned the things we talk about🙄🙄

[gleaming coral]

Speaking of local coops, anyone played it takes two? I played if with my sis, had such a blast

[dim hare]

This server is a monarchy, or whatever you call it when like 5 people are in charge (might technically not be monarchy)

[wary smelt]

I pray to the gaming gods that Saint Phil of Xboxia slay the foul Unity dragon with his credit card of yore

[patent lark]

!mute 826788391789133864 1d ignoring moderation directions about off-topic

[opaque drift]

has unity made an official statement on the following issues?

• racism

[gentle abyss]

Polyarchy

[marble oyster]

If Elon seriously buys Unity, he'll rename everything to every p*rn connotations there is in the urban and slang dictionary.

[hexed arch]

Reminder to read #📖┃code-of-conduct and not to spam the channel.

[dim hare]

Man if only there was a specific location, say, a chanel, in which off-topic could be safely disposed of in so it wasn't littered

Third mod detected :0

[gentle abyss]

me tryna figure out who was muted

[opaque drift]

hmmm this IS THE TOPIC

[patent lark]

If only there was a place, like on the rest of the internet you could do that

[waxen dock]

what do you mean by you need off-topic? soon you wont even need unity anymore lmao

[dire kindle]

#531949462411804679 message this is the information you're craving about an off topic channel.

[wary smelt]

A big company could take Godot and extend it, use it as a base, that shit is cool

[opaque drift]

godot is not a company, that's the whole point

[dim hare]

When you create a community college, do you move all trashcans outside, or do you leave a few inside?

[steep marten]

companies suck lol

[elder sleet]

yuo that is what free and open source can do 🙂

[wary smelt]

Thank god

[bitter tinsel]

Technically a company if we’d go by definition. Their stuff is just open source and they’re extremely generous

[steady owl]

would break the open source principle...

[opaque drift]

@bitter tinsel what type of company?

[steep marten]

open source game engines meta?

[kindred olive]

how do you link messages like that

[dire kindle]

right click it and copy the link.

[rigid moon]

next to reply, copy message link

[tranquil creek]

Select a message and it is an option

[wary smelt]

I’m saying they would just make their own version they’ll use internally. And it’s it’s against OS to do so

[kindred olive]

this? #531949462411804679 message

[elder sleet]

unless you are Applovin and started a new open source project to help people move their projects to other engines from unity as glove off kind of thing lol

[bitter tinsel]

There’s an endless amount of things you can call it tbh. I suppose just a company proving an engine they constantly update to the public with almost no strings attached

[opaque drift]

that's racist

[wary smelt]

Wait….wat

[opaque drift]

nice edit

[topaz plover]

At this rate this channel is becoming a live feed meme fest. I can't say I'm displeased, but my heart goes out to the mods

[elfin sail]

Godot is actually ran by a non profit organization

[bitter tinsel]

Technically still a company going by definition (though definitions can be subjective at times as a lot of things don’t have clear ones)

[near crane]

At least applovin is living up to their name, i feel loved by them..

[main lily]

Tbh it has just been the same 4-5 loudmouths trying to get reactions here all day

[elder sleet]

lol

[opaque drift]

mods stop allowing racists to edit text

[devout briar]

you really crave attention, don't you? I was 12 years old once too

[wary smelt]

Guys, Godot is dogshit because it didn’t give me a bazillion dollars and a jet pack. Worst game engine ever, also no 4d graphics, very bad engine

[opaque drift]

@devout briar sup baby you want my giant sausage in your mouth? nice edit

[elder sleet]

love it when seeing 2 big businesses clash over what is right and wrong, it is very interesting

[topaz plover]

Eh, that's usually how it goes, indeed.

[kindred olive]

ugh they removed my feedback. The reason they don’t have an off topic channel is dumb. they can just moderate it better. skill issue tbh.

[wanton sigil]

!mute 117402706049630209 3d I think that's enough of your participation for now

[wary smelt]

If Godot is so great, how come it doesn’t have 69D graphics? Checkmate Librarians

[kindred olive]

how come godot doesn’t make a AAA game in the click of a button? unadvanced engine…

[wary smelt]

Bad engine, the worst, all the great people tell me this. Very bad

[kindred olive]

real. I only take my advice from this dude named john riccitiello…

[near crane]

Is that some kind of pasta?

[bitter tinsel]

What is pasta?

[kindred olive]

yes, the kind of pasta that charges you 20 cents for every bite.

[wary smelt]

Godot is bad because it doesn’t support real time Astro-binary cast filters for cats and dogs

[marble oyster]

Javascript. The best kind of pasta.

[kindred olive]

the channel has died :(

[marble oyster]

We can't joke forever. :<

[spark shard]

Mods came in and laid down the pain

[near crane]

You mean 20 cents for every piece

[bitter tinsel]

Does each slice have to pay?

[wary smelt]

Godot bad at 2d becuase it doesn’t have an antimatter particle trace in the nitronium FTL fetcher

[marble oyster]

Ok ur overusing the same joke now.

[main lily]

Somebody got hurt when godot got criticized

[near crane]

2040$ per slice

[elder sleet]

well i am going to go watch my science fiction shows less controversy lol

[marble oyster]

Should be per millimetre of noodle.

[elder sleet]

godot is bad because it cannot bring me a beer when i need it lol

[bitter tinsel]

Godot is the best engine for web development

[floral zinc]

elon musk making twitter become X is like wheatley turning aperture science into wheatley laboratories

[wary smelt]

React says hi

[devout briar]

The problem is that too many people rely on the asset store in unity, rather than wanting to make things themselves. Aka asset flip games.

[rigid moon]

oh no, anyways

[bitter tinsel]

Wrong reply?

[wary smelt]

Also, real talk, it’s kinda weird how some people assume that engines need to do everything. Like, why can’t there an engine just for cool 2d stuff like GameMaker? Why use a 3d engine for 2d games?

[marble oyster]

I find coding fun, until i have to draw assets.

[main lily]

Not my thing, never used an asset. But I cant expect everyone to be into art etc.
I just cant take pride in a product when I didnt make it myself

[elder sleet]

actually it depends on how you use it. Not everyone has a team on hand or afford to hire skills they do not have. Like a programmer may have an idea and know how to make a game of their vision but, may not have 3d skills

[wary smelt]

Compared to writing, I ducking love coding

[near crane]

I find drawing assets fun, until I have to code

[devout briar]

I'm talking about code, like traffic simulations because everyone wants to make GTA V. I have no problem with people purchasing art. I'm autistic, not artistic

[marble oyster]

There are two kinds of people.

[gentle sigil]

im the giga chad who makes games with basic shapes as a theme so I dont need assets

[main lily]

Ah yeah thats even worse if they are migrating

[marble oyster]

[bitter tinsel]

Tbf you can do both

[near crane]

I was joking tho, relying on assets is cringe

[wary smelt]

If guys think coding is annoying, try writing a visual novel, where you have to do countless revisions cuz four people said your first 50 pages of your script sucks and the whole outline you wrote is now useless

[main lily]

I can, but I prefer doing it myself

[elder sleet]

even in code, so if you are good on making a good system in a game but do not know anything about networking that is where buying asset maybe worth it

[bitter tinsel]

What if I already am? I’m not

[devout briar]

Buying 10 different code-driven assets and expecting them to work together, behave, and not run like dogshit is a pipe dream. It's just not feasible for artists to make a game without an engineer backing them.

[near crane]

I wouldn't have switched to Godot if all i cared about was using assets lmao, assets is such a big trap in unity