Mesozoic Valley Rework

[grizzled flower]

I don't see Eoraptor, did you intentionally remove it?

[cosmic canyon]

Yeah, I didn’t see its use as it was really similar to the other raptors, I was going for unique Dino’s here (ignore the spinosaurs)

[fading mauve]

Unlocking 3 generators at level 4 sounds a bit much

[grizzled flower]

I kind of disagree. We unlocked 4-5 generators in several Beyond episodes anyway

[old vortex]

Also rank 1 meso unlocks 3

[rich abyss]

QUETZAAAAA

@cosmic canyon I reckon u should add Kentrosaurus from stego, and add oviraptor and gigantoraptor somewhere

And maybe inbetween ichthyosaur and Mosasaur add Prognathodon (smaller mosa)

And add like Styracosaurus or diabloceratops after trike

Potentially Anurognathus as another pterosaur branch (or is that more microraptor type of thing)

Also wheres cynodont

[cosmic canyon]

Didn’t add it cause it doesn’t fit the dinosaur vibe. And for the rest of the other dinosaurs you mentioned, I could add them as trophies since they are kinda niche.

[cosmic canyon]

Rank 4 basically sets the groundwork for you to unlock future theropod dinosaurs, without confusing you by adding them later or not.

[fading mauve]

oke

[cosmic canyon]

How do you guys think I should go about the whole Raptor part? Cause it feels very janky, since I have no clue on how it should go. I would love some feedback on it.

[cosmic canyon]

Also, should I post updates in here or the main channel?

[old vortex]

Here, probably, until there's been a major change

Esp if updates are frequent

[shut inlet]

What is janky is that Tyrannosaurus and Therizinosaurus are grouped together

linked to Allosaurus

Ideally both should be tied to the root Theropod generator

However it's also possible to tie Therizinosaurus to Deinonychus (if you rename the latter to Maniraptors) or to Gallimimus

[cosmic canyon]

I know it looks janky, but it looks a lot cleaner, as I wouldn't want to have like 10 dinosaurs linking from one generator

Also, the Therizinosaurus is kinda accurate as it evolved from Tyrannosaurs

[old vortex]

I mean it's already a better design than the actual mesozoic valley

[rich abyss]

Did it?

[cosmic canyon]

Not sure that much, but it's very closely related to Tyrannosaurs, correct me if I'm wrong

Like how Humans and Apes have a common ancestor

But for simplicity, I just attached Therizinosaurus and Tyrannosaurus Rex

[rich abyss]

Ohhhh right

Thought u meant theri is decendant from trex

[shut inlet]

It's more closely related to Gallimimus and Deinonychus than to Tyrannosaurus

It's a maniraptor

Also what's the point of making Pachycephalosaurus and Dracorex appear at the same time? (Rank 11)

It's not like Mesozoic garden has quests to unlock some generators, so the player would likely just almost skip Pachy and invest in Dracorex

Same with many other generators

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Even if we look at it from the game-y perspective and make the Allosaurus node represent all big carnivore dinosaurs, Therizino doesn't make sense - it's a herbivore

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Also cladistically speaking Compsognathus doesn't belong to Maniraptors, but I honestly don't know where to put it, if we're not overwhelming a player, so probably it should stay where it is now

The point on Therizino still stands tho

[cosmic canyon]

Ok, wow, that’s a lot of criticism.

I understand what you’re trying to say, but when has this game ever tried to be paleo accurate? We have eoraptor descending from velociraptor, even though it was more closely related to sauropods.

For therizinosaurus, many people say that it was closely related to Tyrannosaurs, I may be wrong like you said, but it’s fine for people who don’t know much about dinosaurs.

And for the dracorex situation, I think I updated it in my recent post, you may wanna check that.

[old vortex]

tbf, you're trying to improve the sim, so it would make sense putting effort into to being paleo accurate now

that said, i don't understand half of this, so i'll just leave y'all to it

[shut inlet]

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to attach Therizino to T-Rex both from a gamey perspective (it's a herbivore, derived from a carnivore) and from paleontologic perspective (they're not even closely related)

Other things are not that obvious and I won't argue against them

Aside from Therizino, the newer version looks pretty good

[cosmic canyon]

You do realise that the Therizinosaur is a member of the Tyrannosaur family? Maybe do your research before commenting on this. I purposely added them to show how peculiar and strange evolution can become.

[shut inlet]

Sources?

[cosmic canyon]

Not a direct ancestor, however it is related to many raptor like species, which are also related to tyrannosaurs

[shut inlet]

My research shows that Therizinosaurus is a maniraptor, and tyrannosauridae only include tyrannosaurinae, albertosaurinae and alioramini

[shut inlet]

Again, sources

ah

Well, following such a logic you could pin a Deinonychus to a T-Rex, right?

[cosmic canyon]

I mentioned that therizinosaurus is related to raptors, like you said, however there are some sources stating that there may have been some similarities. Also, it’s easier to place it near T-Rex than say velociraptor cause of the size difference. I understand your point, however, it’s also factoring in user experience. This game already has some flaws, which although I don’t wanna follow, they simply make the game a better experience. If you want, I can change the description to say that it’s not fully related.

My sources may also be outdated lmao

[shut inlet]

It's possible

The last variant would be okay, I think

[cosmic canyon]

Alright, sorry for the long ass reply

[shut inlet]

Nvm, at least I heard a normal explanation

[cosmic canyon]

Normal?? 😂😂

What kind of explanations have you seen beforehand?

[shut inlet]

Well

"closely related to Tyrannosaurus"

[cosmic canyon]

Ahh,

[shut inlet]

That's entirely the point of my rant

[cosmic canyon]

May have been an exaggeration

Sorry bout that, didn’t expect a “nerd” to confront me about this

No offence, I used to be one as well