Mesozoic Valley hardcore prestige

[trail orchid]

To make sure the conversation doesnt get lost im going to put it in this thead.

[trail orchid]

Mesozoic Valley hardcore prestige

[trail orchid]

So i build this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1umVkMrhn-N077QapzL6RxeXB3Kgc71gtjO9o_uk6xos/edit?usp=sharing

it calculates the effect of additional trait levels on the total production and combines that information with the geode drop rate scaling and income decreases over multiple levels.

Ofc the geode drop and production decrease scaling can also be modified and you can select if you want to go with the option to reset rares and/or epics on prestige.

@toxic patio maybe you are interested in this as well

[toxic patio]

Yeah, I'd like to see this

[trail orchid]

The "Total production:" column basically tells you what percentage of the production players would on average get compared to a "normal" run without any modifiers.

On hardcore prestige 1-10

so this basically shows that with the settings initially proposed in the suggestion (ofc with halved production on every reset cause -50% only once was kind of ridiculous) the first 4 hardcore resets would actually be faster then the first while the ones coming afterwards become increasingly harder

up until the point where the average production would be 10x slower on prestige 10

[trail orchid]

a setup that i think works much better and has a very nice difficulty scaling would be this:

Common traits getting reset on normal prestige and rares getting reset on hardcore would follow the theme pretty nicely and people dont feel like they start from 0 every time. The 1.25x geode drop multiplier on every hardcore prestige would only slightly fall behind the production decrease and create a nice difficulty curve

[trail orchid]

For everyone not aware of the initial suggestion: #💡-suggestions message

[trail orchid]

I also added these charts for visualization:

[narrow wing]

Yeah, if i think about it more then that -50% of production only once would be too easy
And we wanted to do something similar to prestige, that would become easier and easier, but your setup is better than ours i think
Only rare reset is a good idea in this situation because epic will give a little boost that will help at the beginning

[trail orchid]

You can try your own values and maybe balance something that gets easier over time

[timid pollen]

would this give you more boost to primary sim?

cause itd need more incentive than it currently has

[narrow wing]

Well, actually i think that your setup is better

[trail orchid]

tbh i dont know if its realistic to have a lot more then just the increasing multiplier to the main simulation

@toxic patio might be able to say something about that?

[timid pollen]

i mean it doesnt really need more

more meso means you get more stone geodes

means that you are getting more darwinium

but the primary sim extra boost would be enough

maybe even double what the normal would give

so a rank gives 0.2x instead of 0.1x

[trail orchid]

we would end up with a 1k muliplier then

[timid pollen]

20x for all that hassle? sounds reasonable

with the amount of time it takes

[trail orchid]

i dont mind

might be a bit much to sell to the devs though

[timid pollen]

it should be like going from meso 0 to 550 but a little less

[timid pollen]

why? its a reasonable enough trade-off

takes a ton of time and gives a ton of rewards

[narrow wing]

Boost to main sim doesn't actually do something useful after you reach prestige 10

[timid pollen]

nah its pretty good up until as well

[muted basin]

Are these "hardcore" prestige system meant to be after prestige 10 ?

Is it like designed to have 10 super prestiges after you get to prestige 10

[narrow wing]

You can call it like this

[muted basin]

Honestly if thats really the case then this feels like torturing the players lol

imagine getting through 10 prestiges for 10 times 😭

the very thought gives me nightmares

But like I do feel that this is an incredibly good concept

not for mesozoic valley atleast personally

but maybe for the beyond/explorations/something else

[narrow wing]

That's why at the beginning of my and mortis suggestion is written "how to make meso a true hell"

[narrow wing]

But you would get multiplier from it! (and maybe roles in the server if this would be added)

[half radish]

Until that point you will have the entire main sim done anyway

[narrow wing]

More metabits that are useless!

[half radish]

Nice!

[muted basin]

I mean all these are really good in concept but do you really everyone in the c2s userbase would play all of them

Personally I feel like just a multiplier doesnt make me motivated enough to grind the whole process 10 times

but then again maybe thats just me

[muted basin]

and you guys need to realise that there's only so much the devs can focus on one time, they'll eventually come back to the main stimulations when they're done with the explorations

[narrow wing]

It will be hard to add something that end game players wouldn't unlock in few minutes

[muted basin]

Exactly, thats why it takes time to brainstorm what numbers will be just right for the game

Beyond/explorations dont have this issue because they're currently seperated from the whole main stimulation

but if you have any ideas by which metabits can be reasonably utilised/gained from those stimulations then I'm open to hear them

[narrow wing]

I've submitted that suggestion without thinking more about it
That's true that people wouldn't play hardcore Meso, because 10 prestiges are already boring
But... It could be added to Main sim, something like hard reset, and a new currency that you would get, based on how much metabits you got, like 1T metabits would be 1 of that new currency, there would be a whole tree of upgrades that would boost simulation
But then, they would need to add some special things that would unlocks after that hard reset, because people, just like for meso, wouldn't try it

[narrow wing]

They will focus on civilization gardens and later on astronomy, that i think will be unlocked by progressing in beyond, but most end game people have beyond fully finished

[muted basin]

yah this is definitely a cool idea

[narrow wing]

Logits could be used for a small boosts to each simulations
Like, 1% boost for meso - 10 logits and it would increase a bit after each upgrade

[muted basin]

thats what i meant here when i told it could be reused for a different area of the game which everyone loves #1015737697601605663 message

[muted basin]

Let me introduce you to the 🌋

a whole 150% boost

[narrow wing]

Isn't it only 50% boost?

[muted basin]

Nah its a whole 1.5x boost

which is 150%

[narrow wing]

Ik it exists
But i mean upgrades that would be for all simulations
Meso, beyond and primary, but for all separate
So for 1% boost in all 3 simulation you would need to spend 30 logits, and it would increase each upgrade

[muted basin]

actually I'll double check it just incase

ok it is

[narrow wing]

Then it's really worth that 100 logits

[muted basin]

I'll ask about changing the wording internally

[narrow wing]

It would be helpful because trait warm climate give 1.5x boost on first prestige, but that's only 50%

[trail orchid]

1.5x is 50% boost

[muted basin]

nvm i was wrong

cc @narrow wing

its 50 as jojoseis mentioned above

[narrow wing]

Ah, then i should've bought it in beta when it costed 50 logits

[trail orchid]

i did

and it got reset

and the logits are gone

have to buy it again for 100 now

[finite hearth]

nice

[round sentinel]

oooh, whats this?

[trail orchid]

first of all its just fun

take a look at the first few messages in the thread

its about a suggestion by Quarter and Mortis

where they suggested that meso could get another 10 level prestige layer

[brazen panther]

👀

[vivid sky]

no thx

thats pain

[trail orchid]

it doesnt have to be

[narrow wing]

How about this then
@vivid sky

[brazen panther]

Even if the devs liked the idea they probably wouldn't add it because of the Community backlash, the orginial 10 prestiges are hell anyway, why would you need more?

[narrow wing]

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[trail orchid]

i dont think there would be even that much backlash to the original idea if there were some QoL changes coming with it

meso doesnt have to be pain

[brazen panther]

I wish the prestiges weren't hell

I have emailed about this long ago but they haven't done anything yet cuz they're focusing on other

They could add a "idle machine" that could play mezo after first prestige so players wouldn't have to endure that hell as much

You could spend metabits to make it better

[trail orchid]

it would be enough if they added mass collection of geodes from missions and added another buying option similar to "Rank" in the beyond that buys just enough for the corresponding mission target

[brazen panther]

IMO I just either want a way to make the pain go faster or new content so it's intersting

Like after the first prestige the only real reason is for 100% completion and darwinium

[trail orchid]

there is also the 10x production multiplier to the main sim

[brazen panther]

yeah but many players would have completed the main sim BEFORE doing prestige

[narrow wing]

It would be helpful if they add some more things to main sim

[brazen panther]

Like I did

[narrow wing]

That wouldn't be so easy to get

[brazen panther]

Heck we don't even have a story reason for prestige, why would Semblance want to erase all of her work?

[narrow wing]

More upgrades in reality engine
Or that suggestion i wrote earlier, and if that would be implemented, then they would need to add things that are impossible to reach without that hard reset

[brazen panther]

WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYY do you hate ussss!!!!

I don't care about the rewards I care about gameplay

games shouldn't be stressful/ boring/ rage inducing (The bad kind not the good kind)

[trail orchid]

i mean the gameplay is always kind of "number go big = good"

[narrow wing]

It's a clicker game after all

[trail orchid]

and with sufficient automation unlocked over time i think it could be kind of fun

[brazen panther]

ok but I don't wnat to spend 1000 hours on hard prestige

[trail orchid]

you dont have to, thats kind of the point

[brazen panther]

this is why other idle games get so much backlash

[brazen panther]

what about the 100%ers?

[trail orchid]

no its not, the reason other idle games get backlash it because of p2w

[brazen panther]

yes but this hard prestige would encourage darwinium spending/buying

[trail orchid]

"you dont have to" meant you dont have to spend 1k hours, not that you dont have to complete it

[trail orchid]

^^

[brazen panther]

It's the same problem with presitge, you don't have to complete it but it induces a sense of rage or jealousy when you see other players complete it

[narrow wing]

Why it didn't happen with normal prestige then? It's also long

[brazen panther]

because darwimium is almost useless there except for diamond Geodes

[narrow wing]

And god
Change that Nick please

[brazen panther]

but it doesn't really feel like it gets faster as the last levels from any prestige are slow

[narrow wing]

You can use darwinium on time flux to finish it faster

[brazen panther]

I think that the missions level up

[narrow wing]

I don't think so

Maybe only a little

[brazen panther]

Mezo is so slow that spending darwimium on time flux is worthless

I did it once and it didn't really make any big contributions

[narrow wing]

Last 5 ranks on prestige 10 was fast, not really fast, but i finished them in a half a hour

Well, maybe a bit more

[brazen panther]

but what about the rest of the presitges?

also dino achievements

[narrow wing]

Also faster than previous

[brazen panther]

also the fact that there isn't any new content after prestige

[narrow wing]

You get 50% boost after all

[narrow wing]

Well, that's a disadvantage, true

[brazen panther]

I never really felt that in gameplay

[brazen panther]

yeah, there should be new dinos for prestige

and maybe they can cut down on ranks

like why would I want to spend 1 rank just for a trait card?

maybe 1 dino and all of it's cards for 1 rank

to make it shorter

[narrow wing]

Wouldn't it will be hard to do when there are people who finished meso already?

[brazen panther]

also gotta go for a little bit brb

[narrow wing]

I don't understand what do you mean

[brazen panther]

you have to spend 2 ranks just to get both trait cards for a dino

there are 25 dinos that each take 1 rank

so 25x2=50 ranks

[narrow wing]

Oh that

[trail orchid]

btw quarter asked you to change your nick so pls do so

[brazen panther]

ok

[narrow wing]

Thanks

[narrow wing]

Like i said here, all of it you said would be hard to implement

[vivid sky]

Much better

[vivid sky]

But it is...

[timid pollen]

bruh you have the ability to do that

[trail orchid]

yes, but i dont want to give some random nicks and also why force it if asking works just as well?

[trail orchid]

thats why 70% of this thread was not about "if" but "how to make it fun and viable"

[vivid sky]

Is this an explanation or a threat

[narrow wing]

Both

[trail orchid]

how is a threat?

[vivid sky]

https://youtu.be/DmH6YPWhaDY

[vivid sky]

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[vivid sky]

Your msg feels very agressive lol

Also ik already

[narrow wing]

It was a joke

[vivid sky]

Ik

[brazen panther]

i wish we had more threads like this that would go in-depth into really good suggestions, like this.

I like the idea just don't make it boring/take too long

[brazen panther]

Like the idea, just don't make it boring/take forever

[mossy sandal]

@trail orchid your spreadsheet is awesome.

[trail orchid]

Thanks

[brazen panther]

ello

[knotty cedar]

wait, what is this?

[mossy sandal]

Fine. Don't be a jerk. I'm just new.

[narrow wing]

A thread for suggestion about hardcore Meso, check pins here to understand more

[vivid sky]

Something sweats want added so they can sweat more and more

[knotty cedar]

😓

[vivid sky]

I can't believe they said no to the addition of the amogus meme into the gameplay for fungus among us

😦

[knotty cedar]

.

[brazen panther]

hey

[wide talon]

hardcore

[mossy sandal]

@trail orchid @trail orchid @wide talon

[wide talon]

what?

[knotty cedar]

a

[rare dragon]

What is Hardcore Prestige?

[narrow wing]

A suggestion made by me and Mortis

[rare dragon]

Have 50+ Ranks?

[narrow wing]

No, like
After you get to rank 50 prestige 10, there would be a new button "Hardcore" or something like that
This would reset your meso fully (without gold traits) and you would have increased drop from geodes for this

[rare dragon]

Oh, So if i Beat the hardcore, i will beat 20 Prestiges?

[narrow wing]

Yes
But there would be 10 hardcore levels
So in total you would need to beat 110 prestiges (since your first run is Hardcore 0)

[rare dragon]

I have a suggestion, Hardcore Prestiges need New Dinosaurus!

[rare dragon]

There's will be 6050 Ranks!!!!!

[narrow wing]

If they would add it, but, i think no one would play it except people who are really bored

[narrow wing]

So i think this is a better idea

[rare dragon]

I can bore but i can Beat the HARDCORE!

[narrow wing]

But i would play hardcore if it would get added too

[rare dragon]

Hardcore > Prestige > Rank > Geode

[rare dragon]

Idea for Hardcore Prestige Suggestion

[brazen panther]

NO

[rare dragon]

Why?

[half radish]

Cant you just not make everyone remember this exists? I don’t want to make this actually end up in game

[narrow wing]

It's a great idea!

Why you don't like it

[rare dragon]

I want to add the Hardcore Prestige to the my edited Roadmap

[rare dragon]

I added the Hardcore Prestige to the my edited Roadmap

[ancient rivet]

Hardcore prestige= earn hardcore coin to buy upgrades? (New currency)

[narrow wing]

Here's my idea for main sim instead of meso @ancient rivet

And here's the original idea
#💡-suggestions message

[narrow wing]

Ranks in mesosoic valley
One prestige have 50 ranks, so 1 hardcore prestige have 550 ranks

Do you unlock new dinosaurs each rank? Nope

[rare dragon]

Oh no, there's will be 6050 Ranks

[narrow wing]

But it would be a cool idea to add new dinosaurs after reaching hardcore prestige

[rare dragon]

Great Idea

[ancient rivet]

maybe add crocodiles? Crocodiles are actually a kind of dinosaurs and lived the same time as dinosaurs (didnt extinct after asteroid impact)

[brazen panther]

hard core prestige be....

ruining ya life

like mouse

oh yeah

come on

I suffered 10 prestige

why more pain?

[narrow wing]

Then how about this @brazen panther

[brazen panther]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

[narrow wing]

WHYYYYYYYYYYY

[brazen panther]

CUZ PEOPLE HAVE LIVES

[narrow wing]

THEY DON'T NEED THEM

[brazen panther]

WE HAVE FAMILIES

[narrow wing]

SCREW FAMILIES, CTS BETTER

[brazen panther]

BUT IT MIGHT HARM CTS BECAUSE PLAYERS MIGHT LEAVE BECAUSE OF THIS

[narrow wing]

IF THEY ADD INTERESTING THINGS ALONG WITH THIS, IT WONT HAPPEN

[brazen panther]

ARE YOU A MACHOIST

[narrow wing]

NO, I JUST THINK THAT MAIN SIM NEEDS MORE PRESTIGE LAYERS

[brazen panther]

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT DISAGREE WITH YOU AND MIGHT DOX YOU I'M SCARED FOR YOUR SAFETY

[half radish]

What the hell happened here

[rare dragon]

CTS BETTER WITH FAMILIES

[ancient rivet]

if we finished the game, what can we do about the game except doing events?

if we added prestige, we can have something to play but not only playing on events.

[narrow wing]

@ancient rivet Well then, help us think about something that will actually make people want to play hardcore prestiges

Since it's kind of the main problem

[ancient rivet]

maybe add something new but need to unlock with hardcore prestige

which should be very op

Maybe 20 dawriums?

[ancient rivet]

but is a lot for non grinding players

[ancient rivet]

…

add a reward at hc prestige should be op

Maybe every hardcore(hc) prestige give u 1 token and can use the token to buy upgrades eg. Faster production, x2 fossils generate, or 50%cheaper Or a more op upgrade that use 10 token to upgrade: half price on mesozoic valley and main sim

[versed flint]

Instead of this, we should add card balancing to the game.

Make card cost roof less to actually make it possible to reach card level 20.

The current roof is at 13 and each one costs 400k metabits and 10k cards needed for one upgrade

The roof should be at 10 to make it possible, but difficult.

We should also add other ways to get rare and epic cards, since they really really dont boost much.

At least for how much they cost.

[ancient rivet]

everyy prestiege= 1 epic card?

[versed flint]

its barely enough my guy

[narrow wing]

It didn't worked with normal prestiges, it won't work with hardcore prestiges

[ancient rivet]

Ok

[half radish]

They know ☹️

[narrow wing]

It's a good and bad news

[half radish]

Decide for yourself

[brazen panther]

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https://tenor.com/view/flavortown-monkey-review-derpatronic-monke-monki-gif-21484205

[ancient rivet]

Lol

[vernal jewel]

oops wrong server sorry bro

[shadow violet]

Dead thread ig?

[mossy sandal]

Yeah, I think so

[brazen panther]

thread yes