💬-cells-chat

[bleak crater]

is it useful?

[acoustic jolt]

Wait- oh the diagram

[dry cairn]

not really.
its lets me see what level people are, how many badges they have etc, which is neat but no use outside of maybe having info.

[bleak crater]

ok

[terse latch]

when in beyond / meso, does the +number in the purchase menu reflect your rank up bonus? or just the raw value that how many of those generators you buy?

like does this reflect whatever the rank bonus would be or is it just how much 24 of that generator would give me normally

[dry cairn]

it looks at all of your bonuses and everyting else

[clear zenith]

I think they're asking if it includes the bonus you will get from ranking up, but don't have already

(and I don't know the answer to that)

but I think based on my observations it doesn't include the rank up bonus?

[dry cairn]

it does not count the future rank up bonus you''ll get for having crossed 50

[terse latch]

okay cool, that's all i needed to know, thank you1

[ember locust]

Quick question

The announcement says that the mobile release will come a few days later

Which i understand

That makes sense

But some people have already posted screenshots of them with the new release

Is that like an app store bug or are they in beta or is it differing by region?

[vivid mirage]

It’s in steam?

[clear zenith]

there's a few possibilities:

1. they're on Steam
2. they're on beta
3. they got it early. the announcement says by whatever it says for you, so that's the latest it'll be out

[white egret]

(for the 3rd point) should be noted the rollout on mobile isnt all at once, different people get it at different times throughout the week

its normal for some to get it earlier than others

[clear zenith]

yep, I've heard that's something to do with lessening the load it has on the app store with download rates

[ember locust]

Was it not on mobile? I coulda sworn they posted a screenshot and people asked how they had it on mobile already

Oh well nvm then

[ember locust]

Makes sense

[glass breach]

Omg I'm so close

[shadow cloud]

Is there more content locked for Dinosaur thingy after T-rex or that's it?

[hollow pelican]

Yes

[shadow cloud]

Do I get more unlockables after this? Like neoaves etc.?

[hollow pelican]

Oh wait, do you mean those things that are unlocked by meso ranks?

[shadow cloud]

Yes

Wikia is relatively empty so I'm not sure if you get more new things upon upping the rank

[radiant remnant]

Well... Beyond 30 is certainly going to take a while to complete! Generally it is less than a day or two... but this feels a lot Meatier...

[hollow pelican]

So yes, the T-rex one is the last rank that gives you something on the primary sim

[radiant remnant]

There are a bunch of Dinos after T-Rex

[desert flax]

ooh, new achievement

wait, what happened

almost 74 000

stretch

[sweet moth]

AAAAA THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING i think yall can feel me

14999/1500

I mean 1499/1500

[fathom stirrup]

Change your batch button to 'buy rank' and purchase only rank ups. I would also recommend to go for ×4boost. And be patient. This last requirement IS the longest by a mile out of all requirements up until E29.

[warm lodge]

In the Matrix, reality surely is able to be stretched.

[charred garnet]

Heh, came here to asks about the last one

What am I missing here?

[prime vale]

||this achievement is wip||

[desert flax]

the new ||mollusk|| achievement

[prime vale]

its not

you cant get that achievement rn

[steady dune]

Completed E30 entirely

[charred garnet]

Able to tell me what am I missing here?

[charred garnet]

Nice, im struggling with e29 atm

[desert flax]

the ||beyond 30|| achievements

these are what they look like

[keen mango]

i'm 1/4th if the way to unlock neonaves!

[prime vale]

i forgor but you can get these in beyond episode 30

[steady dune]

Half a day to complete them

Some of generators - stick to how fast you can get all of ||trophies||

I played the game until 02:30 later.. feeling so excited then

[hollow pelican]

sim 75.... RL?

[desert flax]

77 or something

[hollow pelican]

oh

Ok

[urban patrol]

The mission is finally completeeee. However, it seems there are still some things that haven't been updated.

[desert flax]

wow, very high

I was in beta and I'm #127

[prime vale]

i was #476 but it moved to #821

[worldly crypt]

I am F2P so maybe in the Future i will arrive

Almost finished E28

[spare crane]

Mobile wasn't released yet right?

[amber canyon]

Check your app store. It will be released to you within the next 3 days.

[still crow]

LETS GOOOOO

I FINALLY HAVE ALL 52 BADGES

today is a good day

mhm mhm

[amber canyon]

Have a completion sticker 😁

[still crow]

YIPPEEEEE

i am very happy

i was so happy to see the last to events basically next to eachother that i needed

[amber canyon]

Change your name to no 1. Completion lover?

[still crow]

nawr my love for level up timer is stronger

[amber canyon]

You're gonna be thiiiiiiiiiiiiis happy when your level up timer gets there then 😁

[still crow]

now i have one last thing to achieve which is the constellation achievement and i’ll have all of those to

[still crow]

oh hell yeah i will be

the day it comes back i’m going to use my professional cooking skills and build a cake to celebrate it

[amber canyon]

It's a good feeling. Feels like you've properly earnt the 100%'s

[still crow]

either of semblance or the timer itself

mhm mhm

feels good when it’s a game u really like

now i get to lock in and do school work as my reward for this 😭

[amber canyon]

Especially because they're not trivial, they take some effort.

[still crow]

mhm mhm

i’ve done like 99% of this game without looking for the answer except for some achievements but only like 5 i think?

[quasi ivy]

wait my update is alr on phone wth

did they release e30 to phone early

if yes then peak cinema

[still crow]

???

i’m on iphone and don’t have update yet

[polar viper]

They added another secret achievement
Another placeholder or is it already known? (And if known time critical, missable crap like pi day?)

[quasi ivy]

Ios here and i got the update

no weird transfering from steam this time

[steady dune]

Someone said it's waiting in progress

[quasi ivy]

i love how mobile users got no chance for getting top 1k cuz of the update dropping later for them 😭

gonna grind the beyond later today cuz i got school

[mellow carbon]

Top 1k of what?

If you mean on global leaderboard. I'm top 1k now (444). I may drop a bit when IR2 comes out, but I seem to get it back.

[steady dune]

Of ||completed Beyond simulation||

[quasi ivy]

yeah this

[mellow carbon]

I thought the beta people took all the top spots on that already.

[steady dune]

-# unfortunately yes I think

[indigo atlas]

Is the background of the Neoaves subtree ice or the sky?

[gray yew]

I’d say the sky
I wouldn’t associate flying birds with ice

(I know not all Neoaves fly, but many do)

[indigo atlas]

To be fair, penguins are on ice

[gray yew]

K

[indigo atlas]

wot

[gusty remnant]

Good morning guys

[quasi ivy]

holy e30 is prety hard

[compact pasture]

thxx!

[hollow pelican]

10 days left until I can buy something

[placid surge]

hello❤️

uwu

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

[tawdry parrot]

thank u

do u keep track of this?

also why did u not use boosts the 4th time?

[forest jolt]

guys how do i unlock these nodes

[tawdry parrot]

u progress

[forest jolt]

I already

I unlock almost everything except. the new ones

Up to cuttlefish

[white egret]

they could just be the ind rev ones

which is entering beta soonish

[wheat holly]

i feel like im finished

theres not much to buy, that is also buyable

[turbid mica]

Have you reached the end for now

[wheat holly]

i hav 1 more node

on mollusk

which would take me like 10 days to buy

[turbid mica]

I wonder when they'll add more 🙂 I'm on level 43 now and that's from 31 not long ago it seems to be going very fast.... I feel like this will be short

[wheat holly]

well as you can see im at 75

theres nothing jere

here

last node is at 74

[mellow carbon]

I feel like you should be able to get farther. Did you empty-sim your last run. I'm pretty sure it still helps.

[wheat holly]

empty sim is patched

[mellow carbon]

On my current run, I'm going to collect 1.44E31 metabits and 1.77E29 knowledge, which is not enough to buy everything I started the run with, but it's enough to get a fair bit.
I can't tell how much being able to do empty sim on the previous revision put us just out of range.

[wheat holly]

i believe it is

[mellow carbon]

What makes you say it's patched? They nerfed it, but they didn't change the fundamental reason it worked.

[wheat holly]

idk. there seems to be a max amount of boost you can get? and the time for it seems fixed

[mellow carbon]

That was true before. The limits were just higher.

[wheat holly]

so the limits are lower

i get nax boost on entropy

and for metabits. i could only muster a x2 increase

nowhere near e31

[mellow carbon]

My empty sim run gave me 1.44E31; my non-empty sim run (started from the same save, but not really played as much) is only at 6.17E30.

[turbid mica]

Do you have the infinity passes or anything else?

[wheat holly]

sure i can do an empty sim. but i doubt it changes anything

i dont

[mellow carbon]

I'd expect you to get ~2x out of empty sim, which is a enormous boost given the best upgrades were only worth ~1.5x

But you're in the long grind, no real substantial improvements part of the game. IR2 will be the big boost.

[turbid mica]

I wonder what updates theyll add in future

[hollow pelican]

Automation

[turbid mica]

Feel like things have gone fast

What do you mean Ultraviolet 🙂

[hollow pelican]

#📢-announcements message
This may come in future updates

[placid juniper]

I have a question

||Does beyond have prestige now? ||

MICHAEL, DON'T LEAVE ME HERE, MICHAEL

[hollow pelican]

well then... Beyond e32 is cosmic horror

[wraith terrace]

Does the current update change anything regarding empty sim that has not already been changed? In other words, should I abandon empty sim now before the update drops in my Region?

[clear zenith]

I hear that XP gain has been reduced, but it's still 14 days and I got a pretty decent boost from mine that I cashed in shortly after the update dropped

[polar viper]

Empty sim still the way to go.
(Its crap gains compared to 21day empty sim patch tho)

If u already maxed u can do what ever tbh

You wont earn anything meaningful either way

1 good thing about e30.
I swim in darwinium now

[warm lodge]

If you are still at the old Mollusks update (21 day time crystals) then complete the 21 day run in your current version if you can. The new Beyond ep 30 update does not change anything to the empty sim strat because it was already nerfed with the Time Chamber update.

If you are already at the time chamber patch, just update. It will not nerf it more.

[grave bramble]

Wait a minute. I had 26 and a got both of that and i didn’t collect any more logits.

In the same time

[tawdry parrot]

magic

[quasi ivy]

holy why is the beyond so hard like rargg

I am suffering

also the game will still not give me the comet rare card

😔

i spend like 1k darwinium on those blue stars 😔

[polar viper]

But 190k dark matter to waste

[true vigil]

wait did they use a beta image here? lmao

in the announcement

i swear its e145 in game

[quasi ivy]

game wont give me my god damn comet rare card

im gonna crash out if i dont get it by the end of the episode

[bleak crater]

damn 1.00e150 is a crazy bonus

[polar viper]

You are correct

[true vigil]

its e145 in game but yea

[quasi ivy]

how do i boost my sun more im strugling to get ||flat universe||

[true vigil]

btw celestial body is only phase 1

[bleak crater]

when do you get to phase 2

[true vigil]

ep19

[bleak crater]

I see

[quasi ivy]

ep18 actually

[true vigil]

when beyond goes from 1 generator per rank to like 4

[true vigil]

no alpha centauri is still celestial body

[quasi ivy]

alpha centauri is e17 silly

[true vigil]

dont fucking tell me its rank 17 i wont believe you

[polar viper]

Waste darwinium on sun trait cards?

[quasi ivy]

already did my gang

[polar viper]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[quasi ivy]

i got like 16x more efficient sun rn should get me enough in like 4 hours

[polar viper]

OK thats fine

[quasi ivy]

i shallnt waste more money on getting that comet rare trait and sun to actually do something

[true vigil]

wait what the fuck from when are hills cloud and oort cloud in the same rank

[quasi ivy]

they always were

😭

[true vigil]

great ive been in a lie for way too long

17 is such a bad number to end beyond off ong

[quasi ivy]

im not gonna play the game for like 6 hours to prevent myself from buying more blue stars

[quasi ivy]

the iconic e17 icon being there for like 2 years says otherwise

[urban parcel]

semblance is her???

[quasi ivy]

yeah

semblance is a she/her

[true vigil]

istg is is beacause i started playing when beyond e18 came out

like i quit for a good while and returned

[quasi ivy]

same but i did finish e17 and had to wait for a year if not more for e18

[true vigil]

lowkey beyond e18 and 19 are underrated

the hr or whatever diagram is actually a really cool way to display the generators

[quasi ivy]

tbh those 2 are my fav episodes

[true vigil]

also its early in phase 2 so seeing new stars still feels acomplishing

[quasi ivy]

and second one is the saggi episode

those 3 are my fav episodes

[true vigil]

the what

[quasi ivy]

the blackhole in the milkyway episode

saggitarius

[true vigil]

blackhole is aura but they lowkey couldve fused 25 and 26 together

[quasi ivy]

true but tbh black hole deserves its spotlight

[true vigil]

omega centauri is also the worst gen in all of beyond like bro

[quasi ivy]

the only reason why i like it is because it gives some extra objects if you upgrade it more

[true vigil]

yea 25 and 26 was cool to see the galaxy

[quasi ivy]

which is a feature unique to the milkyway generators

[true vigil]

its a really big breath of fresh air

[quasi ivy]

having nebulas and stuff for like 4 episodes got boring xd

i did love cygnus in those batches though

[true vigil]

cygnus is cool but its such a bad generator

[quasi ivy]

yeah true

it used to be the best one when it was the highest episode though

[true vigil]

formauhalt is both a good generator and a good looking tihng

[quasi ivy]

yeah

i remember that being my main generator somehow when the formauhalt episode was the highest one lmao

[true vigil]

ep 20 is balanced in a way where every generator is good

[obtuse swan]

Is it correct that this bundle is unavailable for purchase in-game?

[clear zenith]

correct

I'm not sure where you found that, but if this is something you can purchase, I'm still not sure it would actually work

It was briefly in beta and then removed

[quasi ivy]

i should be able to get 20 SpQig prety quickly like this

i got 600 SxQig in 5-10 mins so should be fine

[fluid cedar]

I wonder if more Beyond updates are coming or is this the last one? because there's still some constellations that could be added

[true vigil]

oh did they also make this harder? i got it in 1 minute on beta lmao

[quasi ivy]

this feels way too hard 😭

and from what ive heard its a breeze after this one

[true vigil]

"The Beyond may be coming to a close, but the adventure is far from over"

wait wrong mesage

[quasi ivy]

lmao

[copper wraith]

What do you mean by that

[quasi ivy]

work in progress

thats what wip stands for

[copper wraith]

Oh

Damn

[forest anchor]

Confirmed?

[copper wraith]

Yep

[forest anchor]

No e31 to hype up the leakers...?

I almost eliminated myself with that typo

[open phoenix]

Bro u just almost eliminated why???

[open phoenix]

No no

[prime vale]

83th time i say that episode 31 is scrapped (yes i actually counted)

[bleak crater]

so uh, is there a prestige for beyond or smth

[hollow pelican]

Maybe yes

[forest anchor]

Maybe no

[spring dome]

i wish there is one so that i can actually experience the whole beyond at once instead of completing 1 rank then waiting 3 months for the next

[earnest current]

Having to stare at my screen and hope for golden asteroids to spasn makes me want to quit

[vivid coral]

Then why have I only heard of the first one before

[true vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-idk-this-person-questioning-random-person-this-who-gif-5295285761881556675

i agree with you

[fluid delta]

I feel your pain, I am stuck there too. It will take me probably another day to get it. As to your mistake (and mine) it’s not accumulating lots of Blue Stars from events at Series 1… assuming that Events even reward them for Top 10 before you reach Series 2, which I don’t even remember if that’s true or not.

[acoustic jolt]

I'm not even to the new contemt yet

Ok, constellations go brrrr but I'm at Void, then Attractor, then missions for new content

[fluid delta]

There's a couple of new generators in B30, after which point things take a strange turn. You'll see! I'm in the midst of it now

[acoustic jolt]

I've seen some things here and some in the beta channels, though I skipped the E30 beta myself

[fluid delta]

I haven't touched Beta myself (other than the patch notes, so that I have advance notice when and what stuff comes to Live)

[acoustic jolt]

When a certain feature got pushed back, I decided to ice my Beta save so the E and I spent on that isn't wasted

[fallen sand]

Kahlo's probably less popular these days but I thought Pollock was still well-known

[warm lodge]

What lies behind this line coming from the Primorial Capacitor in the Reality Engine?

[fallen sand]

I assume it's for some Beta feature that wasn't properly excised

[fluid delta]

Future Content. Probably 5 Research Chips, given it’s location

[fallen sand]

Whatever happened to automation?

[fluid delta]

It’s still being worked on

[warm lodge]

It was in the beta and got removed to prioritize beta testing of Beyond 30 and the time chamber stuff. I expect it to return to the beta soon.

[forest anchor]

Probably after Industrial Revolution II

Or... maybe both at the same time?

[warm lodge]

Could the "unfinished line" mean that it technically is already present in this build but not active yet? Opposed to future RE nodes that are not yet present in the game?

[forest anchor]

Hm

[fluid delta]

It’s possible I suppose… though it being in this build wouldn’t matter if so, bc if it’s not there then it’s not there.. and there isn’t content in the game we can play to enable it. Personally, I think it’s just something that got overlooked.

[forest anchor]

Maybe, some Next Level upgrades don't exist (like Next Level Focus III, which I don't think is accessible in the game currently)

[warm lodge]

I was just wondering. I guess I can only know if I test it in a few months from now. (By loading a future save game of me in this build, which is old by then)
If it shows the future thing then, I can safely conclude that it was already present in this build, but hidden/inaccessible.

[wraith terrace]

Thanks

[fluid delta]

Either way, a difference that makes no difference, is no difference

[quasi ivy]

they shouldve let us choose between black hole and blue stars

[warm lodge]

Getting all Beyond generators to 2000 is a good way to get 200 or so extra darwiniums.

[quasi ivy]

anyway im halfway to 20 SpQig rn

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I would have really preferred that. Oh well. I’m at 7.97 of the needed 20

[quasi ivy]

maybe we can ask someday to make it a bit more bearable for the people who have yet to get here

also i need the blue stars for my comet rare card

[warm lodge]

You can always throw at the problem and buy the Yellow Dwarfs / Blue Stars directly.

[quasi ivy]

i might try some yellow dwarfs

for the comet one

[warm lodge]

Perhaps make a save before opening them. If you get bad RNG you can load and open them again.

[fluid delta]

Don’t forget the 3 new constellations with B30 either

[quasi ivy]

yeah i opened 3 for now

[warm lodge]

It was the first thing I did. Finally something to buy with (a bit of my) 600 stars.

[quasi ivy]

still nothing as expected

one million octillion undecillion constellation fragments

[warm lodge]

You'll need to build a pavillion to store your million octillion undecillion.

[quasi ivy]

indeed

[fluid delta]

Heh, same. Still 612 left, though

[warm lodge]

I still have 25 black holes lol.

[quasi ivy]

if only we could spend some of them on blue stars and black holes

[fluid delta]

I have zero

I had 50 before B30

[warm lodge]

I should open them. But I already raced through ep. 30.

[quasi ivy]

it feels like flat universe is the only one thats really gonna be an issue

cuz of the lack of blue stars

[warm lodge]

Just be sure to reactivate your tea pot. The universe will not work well without tea.

[fluid delta]

Yep. If Beyond Prestige ends up being like Meso Prestige (unclear), then I think I will do things a bit differently next time

[quasi ivy]

we need tea in our universe

[quasi ivy]

hopefully we will get out darwinium back xd

[hollow pelican]

I drink a virtual tea rn why?

[fluid delta]

somehow I don’t think so, lol

[warm lodge]

At least that Beyond Accelerator was a good investment. (lol)

[quasi ivy]

yeah xd

im glad i got that fella

[fluid delta]

I considered it, and I’d probably do it if I was starting fresh, but… I’m not. I can wait an extra day to get Flat Universe, not a big deal

[quasi ivy]

yeah true

[warm lodge]

Yeah, no need to rush it. (Said the one who rushed it)

[quasi ivy]

lmao

[fluid delta]

lol

That’s ok, I would have rushed it if the game would have let me

[quasi ivy]

most of us whouldve

i mean we all want those juicy rewards

[fluid delta]

yup

[flint marten]

Omg

Tomorrow is the beyond update

[fluid delta]

Well.. it was actually yesterday. Unless you aren’t playing on PC 🙂

[flint marten]

Yes, I know.

[quasi ivy]

i got it on mobile aswell somehow

[flint marten]

My reaction:

We need to wait a couple of hours.

[quasi ivy]

standing here i realizeee

[hollow pelican]

huh?

[quasi ivy]

need to get 20 SpQig

[hollow pelican]

how do you even get E30 without transferring your steam data stuff

[quasi ivy]

idk my device had the update ready

[hollow pelican]

what version is that anyway

[quasi ivy]

i did transfer steam once but i loaded an old safe and after that the update wasnt there anyway

so idk why my device already got the update

[quasi ivy]

irk

idk*

44_86 it says

[compact pasture]

hi people!!

how is going for all the new update?

[hollow pelican]

WAIT WTF, im on mobile and i can update it too

[quasi ivy]

nice xd

[hollow pelican]

E30 available in 1 day, but I can update it rn

[quasi ivy]

had the same thing here

maybe its the jester update

[placid juniper]

Weird, it seems like the update didn't release for me

Y'all sure it isn't like somesort of bug fix patch?

[fluid delta]

The mobile update is tomorrow. Maybe a few got it today, but they'd be the exceptions

[icy glacier]

Got what?

[hollow pelican]

I'm too lazy to open steam but wtf

this is on Android, idk what happens on ios

[icy glacier]

I think IOS is like the same.

[hollow pelican]

got the update too early y'all ✌️

[icy glacier]

Damn, I can update my game.

[fluid delta]

The update containing Beyond 30

[icy glacier]

Okay.

[fluid delta]

That's on Beta, not Live

[icy glacier]

I know.

[hollow pelican]

I don't like beta for mobile

[fluid delta]

That's been around since the 20th. Lucky beta people 🙂

[icy glacier]

Why?

[hollow pelican]

idk

[icy glacier]

How do I not have this achievement?

[dry cairn]

None of my mobile devices have the update yet.

I do like the mobile release being a couple days after Steam instead of a whole week after.

[icy glacier]

Mostly mobile updates are easier to do.

Atleast I think so.

[hollow pelican]

can you unlock the mobile achievement yet?

[fluid delta]

Hopefully they'll have that short time difference when Ind Rev 2 drops

[hollow pelican]

this one was from July, they really lock in rn

[dry cairn]

Many Steam players go back to mobile every few days anyway to watch some ads and fill up their boosts.

[gray yew]

Sheesh, they weren't kidding about this "50 mission" thing. I thought it'd be like 50 different sections of missions...

At least there's no time limit for the Beyond.

[fluid delta]

it's going to take you days, unless you were fortunate in how you did things, early in the Beyond sequence

[tall mirage]

u finished e30?

[fluid delta]

Nope. Still working on Flat Universe, which I'll get tomorrow. How long it will take the parts after that, I have no idea yet

[willow mango]

E30 live on iOS.

[fluid delta]

It's not on iPad

[tall mirage]

True, it depends on your cards for CBM and OU

[fluid delta]

7,7 and 8,7 so far

[tall mirage]

Oh then shouldn't be long at all lol

[worldly pulsar]

Apple just approved the update, we are planning to release to all players tomorrow, however you can still install manually if you like 🙂

[fluid delta]

well good! I hope that's the case!

[fluid delta]

How do you install manually on iPadOS? I didn't know you could do that!

[tall mirage]

Yea u will prolly max it before it releases for all players

[worldly pulsar]

just go to the c2s app store page, if the update button does not appear, wait for a little bit.

[fluid delta]

Sweet! There's an update there! Thank you!

[tall mirage]

Also Messier becomes the best gen at the end of the game
guess we know which generator devs like most

[turbid mica]

Is he the dinosaur section just never ending

[fluid delta]

No way. The update releases for all mobile by tomorrow.. and looks like even today maybe. I can't afford Flat U until tomorrow, and I still only have 26/50 missions done

[dry cairn]

Is the Sun currently your best generator? Im curious which part people are getting stuck at.

[fluid delta]

no! 50, then you get the "fun" of prestige, for a total of 550 extinctions when you are 100% done

[tall mirage]

Yea Flat U takes longest, after that it's fast

[turbid mica]

Ahh I see. Feels like. The game. Is being completed fairly quick 😅

It's addictive

[fluid delta]

What I determined yesterday is that I'm lacking a lot of ranks of Silver and Gold cards, mostly/especially Series 1.

[tall mirage]

Also they merged the final trophy number with beta I think

So pos 1-1000 are all occupied by beta players

[dry cairn]

Beta went up to about 1300 I think

[fluid delta]

Heh yes it can be. But the game itself will talk you a long time

[tall mirage]

Oh nice

This shows why event badges are imp

[turbid mica]

I wonder what happens when you reach the end, need to download another game 😂

[tall mirage]

@dry cairn Except for the last Entropy and Idea Booster in prim, u got everything else right?

[dry cairn]

Entropy side has been done for a while.
I didn't finish idea Booster XI
And now its not possible to since the beyond 30 update.

[gray yew]

Spoilers plz

[tall mirage]

Only half coz Alr out on Steam sooo

[tall mirage]

Yea that's what I said, except for last Idea Booster and Entropy Booster

But Ig you could have completed Entropy Booster XI before B30 update

[dry cairn]

The live version started above 1300 and its at 1650 now, that means at most 350 people have completed it.

[willow mango]

I have never accessed Beta, and my placement is #1229 of the 1667 current completions.

[icy glacier]

@keen carbon

[keen carbon]

!ban 1019664234029793312 crypto scam

thx for the report

[bright otter]

Banned wolhaiksong_tog (Case #4423) (user notified with a direct message)

[icy glacier]

You're welcome.

[dry cairn]

Ah so it started in the 1200's. You got it done fast.

[polar viper]

found a jester award nominee:
https://discordapp.com/channels/488478892873744385/496430259114082304/1486045470135550206

is this worth a mod ping?
because he got all the normal roles (and yes im that evil)

[clear zenith]

Some people also just aren't that far along in the game yk

[dry cairn]

And the person under that is level 103. If youre going to cheat why stop at 103, go to 20,000

[polar viper]

there i assume the alpha glitch, like but could be possible cheat, too

[tall mirage]

🤷 400+ peeps have completed it

[clear zenith]

1,000+, meanwhile there are tens of thousands who haven't. And that's just total numbers, not a clue what the Discord ratio is :P

[tall mirage]

🤔 How do u check the current completions?

[tall mirage]

I meant in prod, can't count beta

[polar viper]

i will wait till Drako rated them and if they got under the radar i will ping him

[clear zenith]

My point still stands that the majority of players have not completed e30

[tall mirage]

🤷 It's in prod, so can talk about it
Not a spoiler

[clear zenith]

I'm just saying it'd be appreciated

[tall mirage]

That's like saying don't discuss content coz I haven't reached there yet

[clear zenith]

Just because something's in public release doesn't mean I want to either get it spoiled or entirely avoid the server

[polar viper]

if we go strictly by that measurement we cant talk about half the game
can understand a few weeks of spoiler tags tho for new content.

[clear zenith]

You can spoil stuff yk

||not that hard||

[clear zenith]

Yeah exactly I see people putting spoiler rules on new content in other servers all the time

[fallen sand]

As far as I know it's not strictly required to spoiler anything non-beta in this chat

[modern yew]

Who has a strategy to get good progress in Reality engine?

[rose valve]

Does anyone know if Science / Converted Knowledge got nerfed recently?

I just got 50 Oc Knowledge Crystals (I got about 20 Oc on the last reboot) and purchased Graviton Expansion. That is a Sim speed x7, so it should have made it faster, but now after the Entropy expansion my Knowledge Crystal production is nowhere near what it was.

[fallen sand]

It's pretty obviously common courtesy, though

[tall mirage]

🤷 Well it's not in the server rules so...

[clear zenith]

I know it's not against rules, I'm saying it's common courtesy to spoil mark stuff

[fallen sand]

Dfine "recently"

[polar viper]

yes here https://discordapp.com/channels/488478892873744385/488482089377988610/1476623293644669029
heavily nerfed knowledge and metabit gains in late stage of the game from the former "time crystals"

[rose valve]

Around when the Mollusk update went live

[sweet hedge]

adverb. Defenition: at a recent time; not long ago. Example:"I recently bought a CD player"

[fallen sand]

Yes, it did #💬-cells-chat message

[tall mirage]

By 100x yea

[polar viper]

from the flea market, right?.... right?

[dry cairn]

Wonder if anyone that didnt already have Tachyon Funnel before the change has been able to get it since.

[fallen sand]

That could be me

[dry cairn]

Maybe the next big chase node will be like Graviton was and take a long time before anyone gets it.

[tall mirage]

Tf mine still at the number I got

[willow mango]

This is on Steam, don't know if that makes a difference.

[amber canyon]

I keep track now. Early days is a bit skimpy.

I didn't have the Infinity Pass when I did it the 4th time (I've only had it twice).

[rose valve]

I didn't really see anything there that said nerfed. Sure maybe I'm in the slow middle portion, but I'm talking about my performance decreased after getting a x7 speed modifier.

[tall mirage]

I'm also on steam lmao

[fallen sand]

Time Crystals were reworked into Time Chambers, which changed the formulae

[rose valve]

So right when I should have seen a noticeable increase, I miss out.

[fallen sand]

A number of people delayed updating specifically to avoid the nerf

It sucks, but the buff to Entropy means that you should reach short-term milestones sooner at the cost of long-term progression

[rose valve]

But wouldn't it have been even harder to get Graviton Expansion costing 50 Oc now?

[dry cairn]

They dont use words like buff/nerf in the patch notes. They say things like adjusted, or tuned, or refined, or reworked.

And then we do the math ourselves

[fallen sand]

If you hadn't updated, your meta-currency (Metabits/Knowledge) gains would be roughly 100x what they are now

Moreover, any boost to sim speed (and thus entropy/ideas) doesn't equate to the same boost to meta-currencies
So it's not quite 100x knowledge / (7x100) ideas, but something like 100/ log(7*100) [I don't know the actual conversion rate]

[dry cairn]

That 7x speed is noticeable in Entropy & Idea but will make almost no difference to the converted currencies Metabits & Knowledge.

Well, Nora already said that. 😀

[fallen sand]

Admittedly less concisely 😉

[tall mirage]

Ye 100x boost to entropy/ideas is like a boost of 1.5x to knowledge/metabits so u can see how meagre boosts to entropy/ideas goes unnoticeable for knowledge/metabits

[rose valve]

So getting the Graviton Expansion was more than worthless, it was detrimental? I'm more confused.

[fallen sand]

Graviton Expansion is good
Not updating, to avoid the overall meta-currency nerf, is better

[polar viper]

no still worthwhile, the patch was just trash. we are stuck now till industrial rev for better gains again

[fallen sand]

But that's spilt milk under the bridge

[rose valve]

Isn't it still the same price?

[amber canyon]

My GooglePlay says the update will be available in 21 hours.

[fallen sand]

As far as I know

The point is that you're seeing reduced gains due to the Time Chamber rework

Graviton Expansion increased your gains, yes
But it was not enough to counteract that nerf

So overall you still saw a decrease in knowledge obtained

[rose valve]

After 17days I've gotten 3.33 Oc, so I would have taken me a very long time now to get the 50 Oc

[ember locust]

time chamber rework?

[amber canyon]

Reduced metabits/knowledge and long term gains.

Entropy/idea and XP got boosted (in the short term).

[ember locust]

is time chamber rework this new update or is that old update

[fallen sand]

#💬-cells-chat message

[clear zenith]

Man I wish I'd been around for the really good Time Chambers. I'm really stretching to get a second level out of the empty sim I just made not empty

Yes I was there but too lowly 😅

[fluid delta]

The update sequence is like this: Mollusks (good!) -> Nerf (bad!) -> Beyond 30 (indifferent)

[amber canyon]

The Time Update - released about a month ago - #📢-announcements message

[ember locust]

oh so nothing new

i started playing a bit over a month ago so i didnt really notice a change lol

i finished the game already anyways

i just need a lot of logits now

thats all im missing

i just finished e29 today

[amber canyon]

Finished the game in a month?

[clear zenith]

I'm almost certain this has been asked before but why is the most obvious fix to empty sims not just applying the metabits/knowledge boost to all fills retroactively?
(I can see why it might be tricky for entropy and knowledge, however)

[ember locust]

well

like 6 and a half weeks

but yes

[fallen sand]

I am going to become the joker

[clear zenith]

Dang someone's got free time

I'm at double your time and RL49

[amber canyon]

The Devs think that would confuse people 😤😡🤬

[ember locust]

i am gainfully employed and have a disposable income

[clear zenith]

But but but I'm confused why they don't do that 😭

[ember locust]

i may have spent something around 100 so far, mostly on logit purchases (which gives me darwinium also)

[fluid delta]

So you have all of the Reality Engine tree purchased? And all 550 levels of Meso (Prestige 10)? And have completed Beyond 30? And tried all the Events at least once? (18 total). If so, then you are done.. for now 🙂 (for a few weeks, anyway)

[clear zenith]

It makes sense enough in my mind and I'm not the greatest at mathing

[wraith terrace]

How do you mean, retroaczively?

[amber canyon]

Well, it's either what they say. Or they think that adding a new currency (what they say is the solution they're working on) is a brilliant idea.

Because one thing we definitely need is another currency in this game ...

[fallen sand]

Calculate metabits/knowledge gained dynamically based on fills
Currently they are calculated when you fill a bar, and locked in at that value

[ember locust]

ive maxed out the reality engine and main sim, i stopped at prestige 2 cause i didnt really see much a point to focus on it hard rn (i wanted to do beyond), and i just finished beyond 29

[clear zenith]

You have x number of metabit and idea fills per simulation, and when you cash them in, your time chamber multiplier is factored in. This would be instead of the current system where the multiplier is individually applied to each fill
(Retroactively as in afterwards, not when the fill happens. You don't get the metabits and knowledge until you end the sim anyway, so why not wait to add the chamber multiplications then?)

[ember locust]

i obviously have not done all the events considering ive only been playing like 6 weeks

[fluid delta]

And you haven't touched Meso yet? If so, you are making great progress, but you are hardly done. But that's good, there's more for you to enjoy!

[fallen sand]

Exactly. For some reason they view the standard (dynamic calculation) as the aberration

[ember locust]

prestige 2, ive prestiged meso twice

[wraith terrace]

Aaah, ok. So, get currency on reboot

[ember locust]

2nd prestige took me like 3 days

[fluid delta]

right. yes. you did say that, sorry

[amber canyon]

Hey Sepheria, you mentioned a bit ago that you'd noticed differences between income when playing on Steam Vs iOS.

Is that still the case?

[ember locust]

im mostly done other than just waiting for events to come round

and waiting for e30 mobile

[fluid delta]

No, I don't think I said that? Or if I did, I misstated? I thought there was a difference when claiming the free DW, but actually I was wrong there, it works exactly like you said at the time.

[clear zenith]

Well you already get the currency when you reboot. I'm saying it'd be more logical to apply the multiplier to that currency when you actually get it, instead of when it goes into the pool that you will eventually receive

[amber canyon]

Calculate the currency on reboot. We already get it on reboot.

[amber canyon]

And would get rid of empty sim.

[clear zenith]

Right now it's like, if I get a fill at 1min in, it gets no multiplier. If I get a fill at 2 weeks in, it gets a x100 multiplier. Why not apply it to all fills?

[amber canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-vanished-usualsuspects-kevin-spacey-gif-12466801

[clear zenith]

And yeah that's what I'm mainly arguing. Logical = getting people to actually play the game

Two week regular sim would, in theory, be better for metabits and knowledge than an empty sim. Not sure how it'd work on the entropy and ideas side though

[amber canyon]

I'm now wondering if the plot of The usual Suspects could be mapped to this games quirks bugs exploits features

[dry cairn]

The first 1500 fills happen instantly so they would need to either slow that down or apply something retroactively, or completely change the fill system

[amber canyon]

Just keep a note of the fills. And apply the multiplier to them all when you reboot

[clear zenith]

That's exactly what I'm saying! Apply the time chamber multiplier retroactively, and empty sim is no longer the most efficient play style

[clear zenith]

Oh and do we know anything about this new currency other than it's in the works? That's all I got from the last AMA anyhow

And I can't wrap my head around how a third currency would somehow impact time chambers, but maybe it'll make sense in practice. Idk

[amber canyon]

D'know.

I thought it might add interesting gameplay to use research chips. Either boost entropy, ideas, or timeiwiminess. Not thought it through though.

If it's a new currency with a single use ... ... Boring? Or a choice as to which time node to apply it to?

[fallen sand]

I literally can't fathom how they think a new currency will fix things, so who knows

[amber canyon]

There was an interesting post on Reddit a few weeks ago how the time stuff is basically incompatible with an idle game.

Because it makes large amounts of what you do irrelevant.

[clear zenith]

No no it works perfectly. You do nothing, aka idle, for two weeks

[amber canyon]

Hang on, at one point I played a few zero player games. Wonder if I can dig them out.

[clear zenith]

I feel like this game is more incremental anyway, because aside from empty sim, it's more efficient to check in pretty frequently

[dry cairn]

Slowing down the fills creates a different issue since that would make short runs useless. They seemed against the retroactive method.
So we are stuck in a permanent empty sim meta. 😀

[dawn robin]

Why do they keep adding achievements😭

[fallen sand]

Where are you getting the idea of slowing down the fills?

[amber canyon]

But But but new currency!!! 🤪

[clear zenith]

It's not slowing the fills we're proposing. It's changing when you add the multiplier

I'm fine with the fill rate as is

[amber canyon]

@clear zenith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-player_game

[clear zenith]

Ah, I see

[dry cairn]

They could adjust slightly to benefit longer runs by not letting them get excruciatingly slow after a while

[fallen sand]

So they'd be less front-loaded, and thus you wouldn't lose as much from some early fills?

Whlie that would technically help, it wouldn't solve the superior efficiency of empty sims at all

[dry cairn]

True. It would just become empty sim then long run instead of empty sim the quickly reset

[fallen sand]

Exactly

[amber canyon]

I'm on an empty sim then long run. It's nice to have a tree in primary again 🙂

[dry cairn]

I think ill also leave this one running for some xp

[fallen sand]

XP is exactly the 'additional currency* that incentivizes long runs'!

I don't know why they want to add another instead of fixing the root cause

[clear zenith]

I want to leave my tree there until I hit RL50. I'm so close 😭

[mellow carbon]

It would if they don't display it that way. If they display the metabits you would get if you rebooted right now (and it goes up as the multiplier goes up), it would be the same as the metabits from a fill going up.

[fallen sand]

I don't see how that follows

[dry cairn]

Wish I could use Ctrl-F in the Reality Engine.

[amber canyon]

And this achievement!

[fallen sand]

Right now, this UI already only shows "metabits gained on reboot". It does not show "metabits gained on next fill"
In the proposed solution (dynamic calculation), there would be no change needed to the display

[clear zenith]

ig having the time chamber multipliers in a different category than the other multipliers would be the solution. the rest of them are in the moment multipliers and the time chamber ones are retroactive. or, y'know, make them all retroactive. instead of the text in the converter having a single number, have it be the number x the multiplier = actual currency gained

[fallen sand]

THE RE engine is similar, no? I cna't confirm because I'm in an empty sim (as I am 99% of the time)

[fallen sand]

I disagree

[clear zenith]

or that lol. don't even tell them there's a change, because honestly casual players aren't paying that much attention

[fallen sand]

This does not double my entropy as any specific point, it dynamically doubles it. If I increase my base entropy gen, the x2 gets applied to the increase

[clear zenith]

I see bug reports about certain numbers not adding up and I'm like oh I never even paid attention to that lol so I think explaining stuff is not as much of an issue as people make it out to be

[amber canyon]

Example

[clear zenith]

yeah I mean metabits & knowledge specifically not entropy and ideas. that's a whole other thing because you are actively earning it, as opposed to metabits and knowledge that you get all at once

[fallen sand]

Right now the only things which are not dynamically calulated are the metabits/knowledge gained on fill
And in my experience, dynamic calculation is the industry standard
So having two items (arguably the most important ones!) not follow that principle is more confusing than making everything align

[fallen sand]

This is the only reason players aren't more confused

[clear zenith]

chat I've cracked the code lol
the answer is just make the multiplier retroactive, note that in an update announcement, but don't make any changes in the game to indicate it because us casual players are big dumb and won't notice the numbers math differently

[fallen sand]

Thanks! And oh look, no UI change needed.
Left element displays additional metabits added to pool on next fill, same as it does now.
"Converted Metabits" displays metabits gained on reboot, same as it does now

[bleak crater]

is it reasonable to get top 25 without the challenge reestart? the prizes look nice but if I can save the effort I'll do it

[fallen sand]

imo the problem is that CL is too stubborn to change it and is just rationalizing that decision

[clear zenith]

-# will I get struck down by the suggestion gods for this one (not that I expect I'll get listened to)

[amber canyon]

Unlikely imo

[clear zenith]

omg what is that third badge lol (me having never finished the art event)

[fallen sand]

It depends mostly on when you started (i.e. how competitive your division is)
Remember that each generator only gives +1, so a CL start alone is worth buying 500 generators

And a lot of people rush at the very end, so even if you're top 25 now that could drop precipitously in the last hour

[fallen sand]

looks like Flatworm Nyancat

[bleak crater]

uh, I think when I started it was like 2 days 22 or smth

[fallen sand]

I had forgotten how weird the event progression is once you hit Photography

[clear zenith]

If you click on the leaderboard you'll have a division ID. I'm in 154 and that's only somewhat competitive, but if I want a good placement I'll still want to get to challenge level 2

[bleak crater]

I'm in 98#

[fallen sand]

Moving Images unlocks very quickly but isn't worth it until after Post Modernism, and the cost-efficiency drops from like 30min refunds to 4+h

[bleak crater]

yeah it's pretty annoying

[clear zenith]

It's been sitting on my tree for a bit now (maybe an hour or so of active playtime) and I only just was able to afford it

[fallen sand]

Seems early, so unlikely. Again, unless you plan to not play anymore I'd just start the challenge now

[amber canyon]

(maybe farm science for a bit first)

[bleak crater]

do you think the prizes are worth the effort?

[clear zenith]

I mean, whether or not you want to continue playing in the event, just starting the challenge level is a massive boost to science points

[clear zenith]

higher level prizes can be good for making progress in the side sims

[fallen sand]

Eh, the Logits are nice but unless you're still doing Meso there's not a huge difference between top 50 and top 500

[amber canyon]

The badges are the most important long-term for primary. But the top 10 prizes will make your Beyond and Meso a lot easier.

[fallen sand]

And even then, only the Geode from top 50 is really useful since Mutagen/Dark Matter costs far outstrip the paltry amount you'd get from events

[clear zenith]

yeah, mutagen and dark matter are just a nice little boost, but not really useful beyond the first few levels

[dry cairn]

The prizes are great for newer players.
By the time top 10 becomes easy, you dont need that stuff anymore 🙃

[bleak crater]

😔

[fallen sand]

Maybe the BH is useful for the new Beyond E30 though?

[strange lark]

holyy this short goes so hard

[icy glacier]

Lol.

[clear zenith]

unrelated but I love overestimating how long I won't be able to check in and then ending up cancelling a 150 dark matter mission less than an hour from the end of it because it's way more profitable to run shorter ones

[clear zenith]

waitaminute THAT'S A FLATWORM

[amber canyon]

I'm end game and I value every BH I can get my hands on 😁

[strange lark]

yessir

[icy glacier]

How?

This game is so hard.

[fluid delta]

Top 10 on Events

[amber canyon]

Check the pins for a post from me with my event advice. Steam players without Infinity Pass, and those using auto-clickers will have different approaches.

[fallen sand]

i cri evertim

[icy glacier]

I'm on mobile 😭.

[fluid delta]

It's easier on mobile, actually, bc 4x ad bonus

[amber canyon]

My advice should work for you then.

[icy glacier]

This?

[bleak crater]

what's the trap?

[clear zenith]

I assume ||buying the extinction node as soon as it's available||

[supple sinew]

lol

[icy glacier]

Lol.

Just error.

[clear zenith]

we love the dev team accidentally releasing stuff early don't we 😅

[supple sinew]

its cause I bought the difference engine when it was accidentally added into beyond 30

[fathom stirrup]

when you 'assume' you make 'ass' from 'u' and 'me'

[clear zenith]

only when I'm wrong

[amber canyon]

If you fall into the trap.on one of the later extinctions it can be an absolute pain.

[fathom stirrup]

and that's my field of expertise

[clear zenith]

me too but I have my good moments

[amber canyon]

But which flatworm is it?

[dry cairn]

Difference Engine is still listed in our boosts so it should count.

[bleak crater]

is meso useful for anything past prestige?

[clear zenith]

I would assume it does if you were able to buy it in the short window it was prematurely available

[fallen sand]

It boosts Primary with some RE upgrades

[fathom stirrup]

2 double from 7 draws (4 white nad 3 red dwarfs) are very good odds. Why would anyone even think of mission...

[clear zenith]

not doing the math

[amber canyon]

No idea. Because didn't do the maths?

[clear zenith]

and hey, the one time I did it (out of plain old curiosity) I did get 3

never doing it again

[amber canyon]

It's a good Darwinium farm.

[fallen sand]

I forgot about that. And yet I still can't be bothered

[amber canyon]

Quit while you're ahead.

[fallen sand]

Especially with Geodes breaking something every other update

[amber canyon]

I left it for periods. Until I could summon up any enthusiasm to work through a prestige.

[fathom stirrup]

When are you triggering your empty sim?

[supple sinew]

I think Meso will eventually get an overhaul

[clear zenith]

Exactly!

[fathom stirrup]

it would be nice

[clear zenith]

I've got all but one of the time chambers, so I've got them all filled at 14 days and trigger it then

[amber canyon]

Hope not. I'd rather the Devs put effort into new content and fixing bugs.

[fathom stirrup]

well aren't there like different devs responsible for various game mechanics?

[fluid delta]

Hmm. Could've sworn I bought it, but.. maybe not? Or maybe it only shows up if you have Primary filled out? (on empty sim run atm)

[supple sinew]

thats why I said eventually. main sim stuff first of course

[amber canyon]

You think they'll rework the mechanics? I very much doubt that. They might update some models or chuck in a new logit/augment buy at most. Imo.

[fathom stirrup]

And when is that? I am curious about your leap forward 😉

[fallen sand]

The next big thign is automation, no?

[clear zenith]

I'm not sure I quite understand your question. When's what?

[brisk island]

should i reset or wait for more

[supple sinew]

after industrial revolution 2 afaik

[fluid delta]

Probably Ind Rev 2.. they will be showing that off at Pax East this week

[fathom stirrup]

When is your 14th day of waiting.

[clear zenith]

Still a little confused, but yesterday I guess?

I'm on day 15 of the sim rn (first 24 hours of having bought stuff) and hoping I can get level 50 before cashing in

[amber canyon]

For certain values of 'big'. It seemed ||somewhat underwhelming in beta - both in implementation and in the limits the Devs put on it e.g. not faster than a player||.

[supple sinew]

you can make a lot of progress rn for purple bits. what about the orange ones?

[brisk island]

well they are orange let me check

yea

[supple sinew]

this would be a good reset, yea

[brisk island]

ok

resetting in 3 2 1

[amber canyon]

Have you done any x30 shooting stars or waited for earnings to cap out?

[brisk island]

prob both

[fathom stirrup]

Oh! Ok 🙂 you should be able to. FIngers crossed 😉

[clear zenith]

we'll see 😭

[fathom stirrup]

that's just a few shooting stars 😉

[clear zenith]

what the heck the production just dropped to e164 per second then 1e163

why is it changing

[fathom stirrup]

nanobots?

[fallen sand]

It's a rolling average

[clear zenith]

no nanobots running, I'm saving them for the exploration

[wheat holly]

damn level 74

[brisk island]

how long will these 100 upgrade will go on

[wheat holly]

im lvl 75 and i bought everything you hav there

[amber canyon]

It's for the last 10s or something. So it takes a bit to settle down after e.g. offline earnings.

[wheat holly]

game gets slow

[clear zenith]

ahhh okay

[wheat holly]

im now doing an empty sim as per someones advice

idk how it works

[bleak crater]

is there a maximum challenge level?

[fluid delta]

Wait 14 days before doing anything then... profit 🙂

No, there is no maximum CL, not really

[amber canyon]

Well, as soon as people get near the end, the Devs will think about adding more.

[clear zenith]

not technically, but the highest I've heard of legitimately is 7 iirc. I've seen someone cheat up to 17 though

I mean, "adding more" is what Ind Rev II is, no?

[fathom stirrup]

You open a new simulation, start it, don't purchase anything and go on vacation for 14 days 😄

[bleak crater]

is the "challenge" always just being 2 times slower

[clear zenith]

pretty much

it's like most games' hard modes where you get weaker and the enemy gets stronger instead of a real difficulty increase

[amber canyon]

I think of it as primary sim stuff.

The additional RE nodes are to keep Sepheria busy. However Sepheria is currently winning.

[fluid delta]

The challenge is staying ahead of all but 9 people for that sweet reward at the end 😄

[compact pasture]

im sad

[clear zenith]

Sepheria, how does it feel to know you're the reason we have Ind Rev II on the way? lol

[icy glacier]

Why?

[amber canyon]

Bonus points for '... With as little effort as possible' 🙂

[fathom stirrup]

Unlucky

[supple sinew]

the numbers round a little, so you need more than you think you need 99% of the time

[bleak crater]

what a scam lol

[amber canyon]

Did you do a save before you restarted? Or have you got a recent backup you can invoke?

[compact pasture]

yeye, i think that the next time i look if is green or no jeje

[clear zenith]

I almost wish they would round up instead of to whatever's actually closer for the sake of avoiding this disappointment

[fluid delta]

grins.. I don't think I have THAT much influence. Or any, really. But I am looking forward to Ind Rev 2. If the rest of B30 is fast for me after getting that node tomorrow, and if they release next week... that would be convenient timing, is all 🙂

[compact pasture]

no need, i will do a run and restarn fast, i guest im too close

[bleak crater]

it's just straight up better to roundup it just doesn't make sense for it to round down in this type of game

[compact pasture]

got it jeje

[amber canyon]

Bet the Devs have a little model of you in the office and throw things at it occasionally 😉

[bleak crater]

is that upgrade really important?

[fluid delta]

lol I doubt it. I'm sure there are far more egregious offenders out there, from beta/alpha

[amber canyon]

It's a milestone type one. There are better ofc. But these are ... Mini-bosses ?

[dry cairn]

The Beyond e30 update made Idea Booster XI more expensive and now its not possible to finish all 100.

[amber canyon]

But you play the game properly and the devs still can't beat you. That's be more irritating to me.

(the odd glitch aside)

[fluid delta]

Well they can, ofc. I mean, it's no secret that I used a.... yes, glitch. We could call it that.

[amber canyon]

Exploit maybe?

[fathom stirrup]

Question to fellow standard "tappers": Does your "Tapping" experience in Meso feels way slower like it is not counting every tap you do?

[clear zenith]

I think happy accident is a good word

[dry cairn]

Im curious to know what it was you found. Once its patched out of the game obviously.

[bleak crater]

are autoclikers frowned upon in this game?

[amber canyon]

Meso ... Tapping? Are there objectives for that?

[clear zenith]

nope!

[bleak crater]

oh cool

[fathom stirrup]

I don't think so, but when I activate nanobots I have this urge to start "tapping" 🙂

[amber canyon]

(from the wiki)

[clear zenith]

ah yes Away From Khome

[compact pasture]

afk is away from keyboard right?

[compact pasture]

jajajajjajajaaaj

[bleak crater]

that's a funny parenthesis

[clear zenith]

well there's some early Beyond episodes with requirements for tapping Stardust, but not in Meso that I'm aware of

[amber canyon]

Ah, rolling your sleeves up and joining the workers. Very non-lazy of you 😁

(I myself do tend to tap with x30 shooting stars as well as nanobots).

[limber grove]

Hi all, just opened Cell in steam and my "event" is missing. Is there an issue or anything going on?

[dry cairn]

Often thats an internet issue

[limber grove]

Um, never mind, it just suddenly appeared after a few minutes...

[limber grove]

Thanks, been playing a few months, but the first time it's happened to me.

[gray yew]

I do it too

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[amber canyon]

Are you really anti-Archie?

[lofty galleon]

Yeah

Archie slimed out my entire family

[dry cairn]

We saw you dancing earlier today.
#🗣-cells-socials message

[lofty galleon]

Ya bro, didn't you hear? Archie got slimed out in Jackson Heights, Queens

[tawdry parrot]

do u keep track so u can estimate your optimal starting time?

[amber canyon]

Yes. I like being lazy efficient lazy 🙂. Also adds a tiny bit of competition: 'can I do it faster than last time'.

[fluid delta]

|| Basically, I have a lot of research chips now. There was a repeatable glitch and now there isn't, as far as I can tell. ||

[twin lagoon]

Hello all, do factual game errors also go in #1010249890414202880

[clear zenith]

like, incorrect numbers and whatnot? yep

[twin lagoon]

Like errors in the info, such as in Beyond

[clear zenith]

yeah, that can be reported as a bug

wait I'm not sure I've seen a bug report like that before actually...but I'd assume so

[twin lagoon]

I will be compiling some things in, say, the Beyond that could potentially be misleading. I'm just waiting for the mobile update so I can use that

[tawdry parrot]

do u have a lot of 0/30% badge times?

[fluid delta]

mobile update has arrived for many. Cells Support showed me that if you go into the page in the App Store for Cells, you can update from there, even if you didn't get a notification for it already

[tawdry parrot]

those could be useful to me

[twin lagoon]

Correction: I'm on android

[fluid delta]

idk about Android, but try it anyway, maybe it'll work? Otherwise, you'll get it tomorrow

[clear zenith]

could still be there already

[twin lagoon]

Yeah i will only be able to fully compile by then anyways

[fluid delta]

You don't compile Cells.

[twin lagoon]

Thanks I guess

Compile my list i mean lol

[wary iron]

Hi all, according to this, I shouldn't reboot the simulation until all of the bars are full? I am confused about this time chamber update.

[fluid delta]

Right. Which takes 14 game days. Except you aren't doing an empty sim run, so... don't worry about it, reboot whenever.

[wary iron]

I had all nodules accessible and made a reboot and pfff all the bars gone empty lol

[fluid delta]

Yes, they do that, bc their bonus is based on time passed, up to a time cap

[quasi ivy]

got itttt

next one is like 1 million times easier

[wary iron]

Thanks for the answer :))

[fluid delta]

I sure hope so! I'll find out tomorrow

[wary iron]

I got the beyond update today on android. I was expecting it later. Was a nice surprise

[fathom stirrup]

These Metabit and Knowledge boosts are not retroactive so you don't get much value if you manage to fill these chambers after you have already start purchasing stuff that generate any income > biggest impact is if you leave the simulation running without any purchases.

[quasi ivy]

no but look at my income and at how much the next trophy costs

im already over 3/4th there

[fathom stirrup]

how much is it in scientific?

[quasi ivy]

the trophy?

100e((59x3)+3)
you can calculate that im too lazy 😭

[fathom stirrup]

N0qig, Octig - it was too confusing for me so I switched to easily understandable scientific many weeks ago

[quasi ivy]

i love subfixes cuz i know what they mean so it works better then e numbers for me

the one after that one is even easier 💀

[fathom stirrup]

well subfixes are important, but 99% of these are not commonly used in real life so they are quite confusing to use

[lone bronze]

did they add the classic variants for numbers over 1e210

[quasi ivy]

i like to use subfixes so i always use them over scientific

this should be simple

[quasi ivy]

im gonna figure out soon enougu

if not then me sad 😔

[dry cairn]

It forces scientific later in e30

[quasi ivy]

also all beyond generators speed is gonna finally make my generators that take ages even with allot of upgraded cards finally loop in a full circle

which is only ||observable universe|| rn it seems

[quasi ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-roaring-knight-deltarune-boss-gif-4552315353866418347

my honest reaction

yeah its forced to scientific after e210 😔

oh god i just noticed how im gonna have to go trough millions of rank up screens

please help me

[fathom stirrup]

atleast we know how much are you generating 🙂

[fathom stirrup]

there should be batch ranking up available, no?

[quasi ivy]

lemme see

[dry cairn]

Ranking up every generator to 20+, is a lot of clicking.

[fathom stirrup]

I am sure somebody mentioned that yesterday

[quasi ivy]

oh yeah good

still gotta suffer for a smaller amount of time though

[warm lodge]

Outbreaks soon. Time to collect your Syphilis. :p

[lone bronze]

werent they gonna let you rank up multiple times at once or no

[lofty magnet]

Even if you have custom one? That would suck because hate the scientific because its so messy and hard to see for me

[quasi ivy]

yes yes atleast my subfixes wont get forcefully disabled there 💔

[quasi ivy]

same opinion here but with standard instead of custom

[warm lodge]

I'm not even resetting anymore. It will just lower my XP earnings. I got enough meta currency from the 21 day runs for the next update and with one 14 day run i cannot even afford one xx/100 upgrade.

[errant shore]

||HOW THE HELL DI I NEED TO GET 20 RANK ON UNIVERSE GENERATORS??????||

[lone bronze]

after a nosxg (novemsexagintillion) is spg (septuagintillion) I think

[quasi ivy]

im gonna beg the devs to add subfixes until atleast one centillion e303

[lone bronze]

it gets easy

[lofty magnet]

So hopefully the custom is not forced into scientific. But guess im not going to get so high numbers. The update is not even up on android yet

[warm lodge]

Yeah, that was what I was screaming yesterday. The answer is: Balance changes.

[lone bronze]

after cmb there are some trophies

[errant shore]

ohh

[quasi ivy]

*it gets easy after ||flat universe||

[lone bronze]

right

[errant shore]

I hope that it not gonna take a month

[lofty magnet]

I know im going to struggle big time on beyond 30. Haven't even the right cards, not even half the constellation etc.

[quasi ivy]

ugh this scientific notation is trowing me off

[lofty magnet]

Im taking it one step at a time and this time its going to bite me hard I think

[lone bronze]

WHY are there 3 nodes to the right of semblance

[quasi ivy]

oh yeah suffering is in line for you good luck

[compact pasture]

you guys are talking about end game things?

[warm lodge]

I dumped all of my progress here in the chat because I thought that I must have been glitched. But no. It's a wildly different balance. (In combination with end-game trait cards)

[lone bronze]

E30 yes

[lofty magnet]

I know I couldn't switch from custom to standard but maybe try switching to custom from standard and see if that helps

[quasi ivy]

e30 is prob the hardest thing to do in c2s rn

[compact pasture]

what is consider the beggining of end game?

[compact pasture]

thx!

[lofty magnet]

No problem, i play on and off and haven't touched beyond for weeks. So if im stuck it just wait and let the time trickle up the income and at some point I have enough even if it takes weeks

[lone bronze]

like simulation level 65+, mollusks, beyond e27+, mesozoic prestige 2 or 3+

[lone bronze]

my opinion tho

[quasi ivy]

||cuz you need epic and rare cards and decent amount of normal cards on the sun to get past flat universe... even me with many of those.. it still took 8 hours||

[turbid mica]

Just reached level 44 game is too fast

[compact pasture]

thx! mollusks? what or where is that

[lone bronze]

Oop sorry

spoiled it

[errant shore]

I got like 444 mollusks but no prestige🥀

[quasi ivy]

oh dont worry it slows down

[lone bronze]

mollusks are the last generator in the primary sim for now

they're obv gonna add more

[fluid delta]

Yeah, that doesn't help me since I don't know what your ranks of generators and nodes are. But that's ok, it'll be whatever it is. Not like knowing what you have could change it on my end

[quasi ivy]

im asuming they will add insects after this

[compact pasture]

okey, no problem

[lofty magnet]

Im cocked then. Haven't much rarely cards because doesn't play events regularly. And I refuse to use real life currency to buy things. So this will take months. But I dont really care that much. At some point its going to be finished. This is the last anyways

[quasi ivy]

im interested in how they will add those small fellas

[turbid mica]

Just hoping there's loads to do overall

[lone bronze]

I hope they add crustaceans and plants

[quasi ivy]

also scientific notation gets forced after e210

[compact pasture]

one tech question, my letter "p" dont work, is broken? can i do something despite going to the tech guy?

[quasi ivy]

side simulations and events got loads of stuff for you to grind on

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I don't expect to get anything more either, so I went with the new update that has Beyond 30 (obviously).

[warm lodge]

Yeah, technology does that sometimes. 😂

[lone bronze]

I'm actually kinda sad beyond is over..

[quasi ivy]

i got stuff like that to, just pray it starts working again 😭

[lone bronze]

I was here ever since the release

I remember being super hyped

[fluid delta]

I have heard that, yeah

[quasi ivy]

same

[compact pasture]

jajajajjajajajja, well, is a way i guest jeje

[quasi ivy]

after 3 years of that icon above terraformed mars

[fluid delta]

Yes, you can

[lone bronze]

right nearly forgot

[lofty magnet]

We can only hope its not going to change for custome lol. I think you also use that, correct?

[errant shore]

I know it sounds wrong, but is there any ||cheat|| that ||accelerate the progress||?

[lone bronze]

when time and matter take shape, the beyond comes into focus

[fluid delta]

Yup!

[lone bronze]

or something like that

[quasi ivy]

i remember logging in every once in a while after maxing to see if the beyond was there yet

[fluid delta]

No, but Autoclickers are allowed

[lone bronze]

guess you were really happy in november 2021

[errant shore]

awww man

[quasi ivy]

im prety sure i found out january 2022

but could be wrong

[lone bronze]

oh

[dry cairn]

Ill jump in there and do the additional custom for them. After GGGG comes HHHH, easy, done. 😄

[quasi ivy]

anyway had me play for like 2 months total

[fluid delta]

Why cheat in an idle game? Once you've done all the content, you just have to wait.

[quasi ivy]

as i wasnt a diehard player back then

[lone bronze]

I was so hyped that I tried to join the beta at some point

[lofty magnet]

Have played cells since it launched on android. Beyond have been years do glad it maybe takes years for me to finish it as an om amd off player lol

[lone bronze]

😭

[quasi ivy]

u can cheat.... but there is consequences that may not be so favorable

[lone bronze]

semblance mad :(

[errant shore]

I’m just curious and want to see all of them

[fluid delta]

You will, just play

[errant shore]

I can’t just wait a month 🥲

[quasi ivy]

universe engineers instead of universe architects

[fluid delta]

It will take a lot longer than that. And you can wait, you totally can

[lone bronze]

why stay cellular when you can stay multicellular?

[quasi ivy]

should have this in like 20 mins

[warm lodge]

Only 5508.81 km / 3423.02 miles from me. I guess I will skip this one.

[quasi ivy]

please game give me my subfixes backjk

[quasi ivy]

i whouldve def went if it wasnt for the fact its in the US

[errant shore]

Okay genuinely how are you progressing that fast?😭

[lofty magnet]

Have you tried swap to custom? Maybe the scientific isn't forced there. And maybe its easier to read

[lone bronze]

lowk so satisfying that it goes relatively fast once you get to that point

[quasi ivy]

allot of dedication

[clear zenith]

as an American, yeah, you're probably better not coming here on vacatiion 😕

[errant shore]

could you tell what should I focus more on? Like cards or generators?

[quasi ivy]

after ||flat universe|| nothing compared xd

[quasi ivy]

where are you on rn

[errant shore]

||observable universe||

[quasi ivy]

ah

yeah the next one i got prety much instant just focus on getting some more traits for the great attractor and observable universe and if you can try getting top 10 for a black hole that has epic and rare cards

[lofty magnet]

The update isn't live on android but logged in to beyond for the first time in weeks to collect astronomy missions and white dwarfs ti get maybe some cards..

[compact pasture]

it work!!!!

[errant shore]

oh god

[lofty magnet]

But have just 4400 dark matter. Is very much on and off player and it shows

[quasi ivy]

i had the same issue with the o and the 9 key on my laptop and it stopped working for like 2 hours after completing the hardest level in a certain indie platformer game

[quasi ivy]

just spend them wisely

[lofty magnet]

Just series two right now.

[quasi ivy]

just really try getting top 10 in events to speed up your progress

[lofty magnet]

Hate min max and half the events I haven't even 30 % speed on and then its just impossible to win

[quasi ivy]

||just open white dwarfs till u can upgrade the great atractor or the universe, or just wait till u can get the next and last generator||

[compact pasture]

i restart the pc, just say that the letter "p" "o" and "9" are close, what is happening on that region xd

[lofty magnet]

Jave been top 10 sometimes but not much

[quasi ivy]

just play for the first hour the entire time snd then check in every 30 mins or so

also start the event like 1 day before it ends

[quasi ivy]

oh damn xd

[lofty magnet]

Its on my tablet and that haven't beside me when im working. And im always watching YouTube or something so every 30 min is impossible

[quasi ivy]

halfway there

[lofty magnet]

And with the time zones and finish times on events is weird in Sweden

[quasi ivy]

just have a second tab like if u got splitscreen just open c2s during the video and then quit

its also ok if u do it every hour

[lofty magnet]

Yeah. It takes 3 days but slowly. Update drops tomorrow and then we will see.

[quasi ivy]

just check every once in a while

it gets me top 10 guaranteed

ive been top 10 for the last 3 months straight, the start of that streak being when i started doing said strat

[lofty magnet]

Im forgets that. And as I said im on and off. Doesn't force anything. And rhats the essence of the game really. It just last year or so the mkn max and hardcour players has been the thing

[quasi ivy]

just try to get as high as you can on the lb of the event and u will get trough it faster

[quasi ivy]

yeah rhats why you need to start later

[lofty magnet]

Im that player that leaves the game to do its thing. Doesn't use the empty sim strategy. If it takes months to rank up it takes months.

[quasi ivy]

so that those players arent in your devisions and if they are its mostly people that are in the discord

[turbid mica]

I wish they could make the beyond section a million times longer as space seems endless 😍

[quasi ivy]

or people who figured out the trick on their own

[lofty magnet]

Because im tired that the min max and hardcour players do to this game. Before it was easy, now its hard

[quasi ivy]

or forgot to enter the contest but you get the point

[turbid mica]

What trick

[quasi ivy]

divisions later on are filled with allot of newbies so its easier to get top 10

my sweet spot is at around a day before the event ends