💬-cells-chat

[south escarp]

was i ever able to do it?

[tribal hearth]

In the reboot beta

[rough axle]

it was never in the public version

[south escarp]

so nobody has it rn

alr

[tribal hearth]

I did it and I was left with a new fresh simulation and no x2 mult :(

[south escarp]

it seemed kidna cool

ive always wanted to reread all the info this game has

[fluid delta]

By edge cases I mean people alive today who, via future rejuv therapies, make it to 2200 CE.

[tall mirage]

This is the general chat for sure

[knotty frigate]

Guys is this much stuff good enough for my reboot level?

[rough axle]

you can still reset your primary

in settings next to delete save theres a reset simulation option

[south escarp]

but that doesnt give anything

[rough axle]

correct

[knotty frigate]

Bdw I got the entropy time chamber under that, how much time will I have to wait before it’s effects can be felt?

[amber canyon]

My advice: use Cross-platform save and upload an up to date file before doing things like that.

[fluid delta]

The difference is, this back and forth is coherent. 😄

[tall mirage]

yea, but just too unlikely unless we can bypass the hayflick limit somehow

[tribal hearth]

Well technically I do

But it does absolutely nothing

[tribal hearth]

The thing is I never thought the x2 they promised would be removed

[tall mirage]

It will all lead back to cells ultimately

[south escarp]

woah

[tall mirage]

Btw Found out the formula for Idea Time crystal 1

[south escarp]

is it possible to get it now

[tall mirage]

Knowledge Time crystal 1 mb

[south escarp]

what if i loaded the beta on steam

[tall mirage]

It maxes out at day 21

[south escarp]

and then did it

[fluid delta]

Yeah, that’s part of it, for sure. I think repairing telomeres is already something that can be done, though.

[rough axle]

beta doesnt have it either

[tribal hearth]

I don't think it's still there

[rough axle]

it was removed months ago

[south escarp]

is this public version?

[south escarp]

aw man

[tribal hearth]

I did the reboot on beta, where the button still was there. Now you can't do it but the item stayed

but doing nothing

[south escarp]

but this is like

a current version

?

[tall mirage]

true, I wonder what would happen if our normal cells divided like cancer ones

[amber canyon]

Did you lose all your stuff last time the software updated?

[south escarp]

why did they scrap it?

[tribal hearth]

that screenshot is the current public version

[south escarp]

dang

[fluid delta]

It’s a complex subject. Progress is being made.. this latest US admin probably cost us 5-10 years though.

[tribal hearth]

the item is still there but you can't get it anymore I guess

[south escarp]

so your liek the only person with it

[tall mirage]

[south escarp]

thats cool

[amber canyon]

I think they didn't want to lock new/future players out of game-affecting things.

[tribal hearth]

I doubt no more people did it

[south escarp]

thats a dumb reason

[tribal hearth]

But one of the very few I guess

[amber canyon]

I think it's a sensible reason.

[knotty frigate]

When are the arthropods coming?

[south escarp]

can you explain it more then?

[tribal hearth]

Even if I didn't get my x2 earnings I got a cool item to show off :D

[south escarp]

yeah im kinda jealous

maybe

[amber canyon]

New player: hey, this game looks cool, shall I play it? Oh ... Older players will forever have an advantage over me. Never mind. I'll go play something else.

[tribal hearth]

Well you can imagine how mad I was when I restarted and a few days later they removed the effect

[knotty frigate]

So there was one at first?

[tribal hearth]

I didn't check honestly but I believe so, I did progress pretty fast

[knotty frigate]

Okay

Pretty unfortunate that they removed it

[south escarp]

ohhh i get it now

but i dont see how something that is always there is gonna affect that

[fluid delta]

I mean.. it’ll still be that way bc Badges… and especially if they add RE nodes at a fast enough cadence that people never complete it

[sand goblet]

Okay I think I just figured it out for metabit time crystal 1: it's x(1+frames/1e6)

Assuming 60 frames per second

That's why it comes out to 1.216 after one hour: because there are 216000 sixtieths of a second in one hour

Wait I'm wrong again

[knotty frigate]

How can you get the third support achievement?

[sand goblet]

Hold up I screwed up

[knotty frigate]

Do you have to watch a LOT of ads per day?

[knotty frigate]

How?

[south escarp]

idk man

i think maybe you have to buy something

but idk

[amber canyon]

It's a lot easier / quicker to catch up than to play as things release.

And badges ... Well the more players play, the less effect the badge differential has on primary. And ofc it has the diminishing returns baked in for the events themselves.

[tall mirage]

This is the formula at the moment, keep in mind there's errors here, but minimal:

y(x)=−0.000168933190099+0.1727751371x+1.01361601282^{x},x in hours.

this is for both metabit and idea time crystals 1

[south escarp]

yeowch man

[tall mirage]

Idea time crystal 2 formula is in the works

[south escarp]

what do the thyme crystals do

[long ocean]

and now for formulanoobs in simple words pls ^^

[amber canyon]

Legacy Protocol was very specifically something that only certain players who had accounts before the Reality Reboot would ever be able to do.

[south escarp]

OHHHHHH

[tall mirage]

x = time in hrs of your simulation
y = the metabit/knowledge efficiency

y maxes out at 1000x

and that happens at 504 hrs = 21 days

[south escarp]

i dont see why they couldve just made it available to post reboot players

in case anyone for some reason wanted it

[sand goblet]

While calculating the number I forgot to subtract the base 1 at 0 time spent

[fluid delta]

I think you meant a * or a ^ instead of a + in there

[sand goblet]

And so it's actually not 1.216 at 1 hour probably

[long ocean]

does this include the DW Upgrades you can buy for the effiency? if so i am not sure if its correct

[amber canyon]

The Devs might put something in in future that does that. But it wouldn't be Legacy Protocol.

But also. A reset to get a permanent x2? Why not just start a game and reset after the first 5 mins. Or 1 hour?

[south escarp]

you need level 50

[tall mirage]

ah yes, corrected
It's the formula tescoo came up with on desmos

It was ^

[sand goblet]

It's specifically a reward for having been a player back in the very early days when they were still in early access and the game was far less good than now, partly to compensate for all our time wasted on the old version

[tall mirage]

wdym? Time crystals are only dependent on the time your current sim is running for
ONLY

[amber canyon]

Legacy Protocol needed Martian cities and all the nodes in the pre-reality reboot.

Again, if the Devs put something like that in - it wouldn't be Legacy Protocol.

[long ocean]

oh damn yeah my fault 🙈 changed it in my head

[south escarp]

Why cant they make it available to post reboot players so that there isnt a barrier between new and old players

[sand goblet]

I feel like that can't possibly be right, surely y(0) is 1?

[amber canyon]

They decided to not implement it at all.

[tall mirage]

Np

[sand goblet]

Wait does legacy protocol have an actual effect?

[south escarp]

it was going to have a permanant 2x buff

[tribal hearth]

It used to, but it was removed after beta

[tribal hearth]

I wanted that so baddd

[south escarp]

i lowk just want the cosmetic

[amber canyon]

Not sure what answer you're wanting here?

I don't know why the Devs decided to not implement Legacy Protocol. Same as I don't know why they didn't do lots of stuff.

I can think of possible issues, sure. But you don't seem happy with that.

[tall mirage]

subsitute x = 0 in the eq. it's almost equal to 1

[sand goblet]

But it doesn't so there's no actual gap created

[tall mirage]

with an error rate of 1.6e-4

[south escarp]

ok, my bad

you made it seem like you knew

so i thought that if i disproved you it would get added back

[tall mirage]

Tbf u can just ignore the first term in the eq. , tis uselss here

[south escarp]

idk why tho

[tribal hearth]

there are dev roles for a reason lmao

[south escarp]

id love to hear from a dev

[amber canyon]

I think it was asked in the November livestream. Which is on YouTube I think?

[tribal hearth]

Same, I'm still pretty pissed off. I mean it's true it was a beta and nothing is sure there but come on I didn't think they'd put something that game-changing to remove it later

[long ocean]

i like it so its nearly for all the same 😄

[tribal hearth]

Well it'd be if they left it there. Seems like they didn't want everyone to be the same

[modern raptor]

What are you talking about

[amber canyon]

How game changing was it?

I mean, I know it was x2. But that's just a few RE nodes, or not long for some Time Chamber/Crystal nodes.

I also assumed if it was game-changing, the Devs would just scale everything else around it. So it would become mandatory, like the dreaded Meso prestige ...

[tribal hearth]

I meant game-changing as in I went from years of progress to nothing for that x2

[modern raptor]

that’s a bug @tribal hearth

[tribal hearth]

uh what? Legacy protocol was removed

[amber canyon]

Ah. Yeah. That sort of game-changing.

[sand goblet]

Except the third term also affects the Y-intercept

[knotty frigate]

I’ve seen this on the subreddit, is it real?

[tribal hearth]

Yup. If they had given me the x2 it would've been worth it but I realized I didn't have it anymore pretty recently

[modern raptor]

You are not on beta so your levels are broken

[tall mirage]

Yea but the first term is a negligible constant

[long ocean]

how should that be real? look at the screen again

[south escarp]

how do you get that level

[knotty frigate]

Idk 😭

[south escarp]

chinese players are smth else man

[knotty frigate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CellToSingularity/s/igjy8uXxyq

It’s this post

[sand goblet]

Either it's a glitch, an edited save file, or a photoshop, and given nobody has reported such a glitch I'm inclined to believe the second

[knotty frigate]

Okay, I just thought it was some alpha stuff or something

[modern raptor]

Yeah

[sand goblet]

Actually wait no. Some of those aren't even digits and none of the text is legible. This is AI slop

[knotty frigate]

Oh okay

Now I feel dumb lol

I’m quite close to getting the Uranibog

[fluid delta]

No, of course not

.. well, ok, maybe alpha/beta

[frigid adder]

Isn't ts beta sharing?

[amber canyon]

Can you delete this please? And ask stuff like this in https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/545344551095894028 ?

[knotty frigate]

Oh sure sorry

[tribal hearth]

The fuck is a Dsxg

[hollow pelican]

what happens

[knotty frigate]

Deca sextigantilion idk

[hollow pelican]

Oo ok

[modern raptor]

Yeah go in beta please

[fluid delta]

That's "Normal" for you

[knotty frigate]

Lol I’m a bit concerned about how high I can count thanks to the game

[tribal hearth]

It's easier to use the scientific notation, at least you know what you're looking at

[modern raptor]

That is Duosexagintillion

[fluid delta]

or Custom, either one

[knotty frigate]

Oh yeah, there’s only D and not Dc

[tribal hearth]

That's why I've never even tried to use it

Why would anyone do that

[modern raptor]

Or DSxg @knotty frigate

[tribal hearth]

It's like "I need 7 of whatever this is to upgrade"

[amber canyon]

I was so relieved when I found the option to change to scientific. And the battery saver option too.

[fluid delta]

bc... Idk.. a quirk of the game creators, same as having "Googol" embedded into the notations

[tribal hearth]

Same, and it looks prettier too :D

[modern raptor]

I know, right.

[tribal hearth]

Plus, as I'm studying rn I'm insanely used to them, so it's pretty cool

[south escarp]

i love my big quirky numbers

my NORMAL big numbers

[modern raptor]

That is DSxg or Duosexagintillion

[amber canyon]

Well, at least we can choose our preferred format. And then wind eachother up about it. Except for the people that want to use engineering notation ofc.

[tribal hearth]

And how do you even know how far you are from upgrading something? Maybe it's 10x what you have or it's 1000x

[south escarp]

because each new number is 1k of the last

except for googol

that was weird

[tribal hearth]

and you memorized the names?

[modern raptor]

Did you know about one Septuagintillion well It is 1Spg

[south escarp]

decillion is 10 illion

[amber canyon]

Given some of the questions I've seen in this server, even if it were 'you have 4 and it costs 5' that's too complicated for some 😬.

[modern raptor]

Well Septuagintillion is 70 illion

[south escarp]

nonillion is 9 illion

so decillion is 1,000x nonillion

that applies to everything

[modern raptor]

Or 10^33

[tribal hearth]

Even if it's not too hard, isn't scientific notation easier anyways?

[south escarp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_large_numbers

[modern raptor]

Yes like 10^45

[south escarp]

yes, but i didn't know you could change it until all i knew was normal

[amber canyon]

I think so. But it can only be so easy ...

[south escarp]

every time i use it i just divide it by 3 and get n illion

so like

[tribal hearth]

Oh god not the discussion between if billion is 9 zeroes or 12

(it's 12)

[rough axle]

tf is a millard

[south escarp]

millard doesnt exist

millard is a figment of your imagination

[knotty frigate]

And a googol is just 100 zeros

[south escarp]

anyways

[knotty frigate]

Forgot to reply

[modern raptor]

Meanwhile in 10^15 is trillion

That’s 10 duotrigintillion

[knotty frigate]

Bdw what should I buy

Sorry if there’s a server for that

[tribal hearth]

Yeah bc I'm imagining wikipedia

[modern raptor]

Beta

[south escarp]

1.00 e 99 is in my mind just 33 illion which is just the 3rd trigintillion

[rough axle]

you cant afford anything right now

[knotty frigate]

Yeah

[amber canyon]

The UK used to have milliards and long scale billions. Started shifting towards the short scale in the 1970s or something. Now it's almost exclusively Short Scale.

[knotty frigate]

But after I get like 2 qi

[lost wren]

anyone else have this?

[modern raptor]

Yes

[south escarp]

the normal number system uses SS

[south escarp]

how do you get this?

[lost wren]

money

[modern raptor]

From ads

[south escarp]

do you have to buy something

[knotty frigate]

I just got the second one today

[south escarp]

can you just watch ads to get it

[tribal hearth]

With normal you mean the in-game "normal" setting right?

[south escarp]

yes

[rough axle]

watch thousands of ads or spend irl money on darwinium

[south escarp]

little did you know im an ipad kid, ads are nothing to me!

[lost wren]

idk, i didn't bc i'm cool frfr

[modern raptor]

Well alright..

[south escarp]

p2w cringe

ewwwwww

🤮

[lost wren]

lmao

[knotty frigate]

I was more-so asking what should I go for?

[modern raptor]

The cheap ones

[lost wren]

i'm not p2w, i'm pc, i can't watch ads to double stuff

[tribal hearth]

you also type emojis with letters? I thought I was the only one lol

[modern raptor]

That’s a bug @lost wren

[south escarp]

ik i was kidding

[lost wren]

i have been absolutely fooled

[south escarp]

:skull :

[knotty frigate]

Okay thanks

But until when?

[south escarp]

i tried to imply that with the vomit emoji

[amber canyon]

If you look at your stats page in the RE, especially which garden is producing that should eliminate Primordial Power for a bit.

[modern raptor]

We don’t know @knotty frigate

[tribal hearth]

that's why I use an emulator. I can't live without the x4

[lost wren]

4x???? to what?

[knotty frigate]

Okay tnx

[tribal hearth]

Multiplier? With ads?

[south escarp]

when it says "OVERDRIVE!!!"

in the booster

thingy

[lost wren]

oh wait yeah

i always thought it was 3x

[tribal hearth]

nah it's 4

[lost wren]

now i know!

[knotty frigate]

So umm

[lost wren]

also i doomed myself to lose the philosophy thingy, i'm in division 68

[modern raptor]

Oh okay.

Why @lost wren

[south escarp]

what is a ttg?

like

[knotty frigate]

Keep in mind it’s far from where I am before resetting

[south escarp]

is it a tritrigintillion

[lost wren]

idk i forgot abt divisions

[south escarp]

trestrigintillion?

[knotty frigate]

Trio trigintillion

[modern raptor]

actually it is tretrigintillion

[knotty frigate]

Tres*

[modern raptor]

TTg

[south escarp]

untrigintillion

times 1,000

[modern raptor]

Sorry trestrigintillion

[amber canyon]

Yup. See how little the Primordial is producing? Is there any benefit to buying something that just multiplies it by 7?

[south escarp]

yay i got it right!

[knotty frigate]

Yep

Well thanks

[lost wren]

what research level are ya'll?

[knotty frigate]

I usually try to buy everything for all the every lifeform and civilisation needed stuff

[knotty frigate]

60

[modern raptor]

I’m at 72 @lost wren

[amber canyon]

When you can afford more of those PP stages, your decision might change ...

[lost wren]

i'm at 66

[modern raptor]

I am higher level than you

[lost wren]

true

have you 100%'d dinos? does it even help primary anymore?

[south escarp]

6.10 e1

this is why scientific is weird

[modern raptor]

That is no, that is 100% beyond and for primary, yes

[south escarp]

is 72 the max currently?

[modern raptor]

Yes

[south escarp]

dang

[fluid delta]

Max for which?

[modern raptor]

The primary

[south escarp]

primaru

[fluid delta]

Oh, that. I'm at 74

[modern raptor]

What!?!?

[south escarp]

????

[fluid delta]

Yes. It wasn't easy, believe me.

[south escarp]

Proof

[fluid delta]

And I am just over the line on 74, I got it yesterday.

Ofc I can screenshot, but that can be faked. Add me as a friend in Cells "sepheria", there's your proof 🙂

[south escarp]

Ok

Thats enough for me

[tall mirage]

there's no point to using scientific if it's less than e6

[knotty frigate]

By the end my Martian city catches up with the ancient ones

[modern raptor]

I befriended you @fluid delta

[tall mirage]

lmaoo even in beta, max rn is 76

[modern raptor]

What?!?!?!

[rough axle]

I’m at 77

[tall mirage]

Tf

[modern raptor]

Why @rough axle

[rough axle]

But that was when the tuning was different

[tall mirage]

77 is unattainable thoo

[knotty frigate]

Same

[south escarp]

Dont you mean e(6.00e0)?

[tall mirage]

Yea I mean after update

[rough axle]

Ah

[tall mirage]

no one says e twice

[south escarp]

E twice

[modern raptor]

I use the powered arrow to make numbers and illions

[fluid delta]

I mean, if they are multiplying by actual e (2.71828..)

[south escarp]

BAHAHAHA

[tall mirage]

yea but I mean in cells

5.04ee6

[tribal hearth]

wow your profile is insane

[rough axle]

My calculator has an EE button for inputting scientific notation

[knotty frigate]

What do you think will be here?

[fluid delta]

heh.. been at it for about 2 years, no break

[rough axle]

I know exactly what it is but I’m not allowed to say

[south escarp]

Venus 🗿

[tribal hearth]

it's an e? Mine is just *10^x

[knotty frigate]

Yeah I had a suspicion

[fluid delta]

There are people with 715ish badges though

[knotty frigate]

Are you feeling good about it?

[south escarp]

No i was kidding

[rough axle]

Wdym

[south escarp]

Its probably just more future stuff

Like interstellar colonization

[knotty frigate]

Well I know venus colonisation is a posibility

[knotty frigate]

If you know then are you satisfied with what it is?

[fluid delta]

Well.... in game, sure. In reality, not really

[tall mirage]

we still need to solve the mystery of xp level

[knotty frigate]

How so?

[knotty frigate]

Why so pessimistic?

[modern raptor]

You know I had fictional Googology videos before.

That is beyond absolute infinity

[tall mirage]

u mean realistic

[knotty frigate]

Yeah yeah

[tribal hearth]

I've been playing for way longer than that and I'm still so behind (I did restart my simulation a month ago)

[fluid delta]

bc I know some science? Let us see a sealed floating city on Earth running fine for a year , then I'll agree that it's possible to do the same for Venus

[modern raptor]

That is alpha

[knotty frigate]

But it’s not like there’s absolutely no chance that in the upcoming decades we get some stuff going on mars then we send stuff to venus

I like to dream 😃

[fluid delta]

You might want to look up the difference between Mars and Venus. Mars is WAYYYYYY easier than Venus, and it's still really hard.

[knotty frigate]

Yeah

[south escarp]

I dont think its gonna be just venus

[knotty frigate]

So was going to the Moon

[fluid delta]

how come you restarted?

[knotty frigate]

Yet we did it.

[modern raptor]

I did it many times

[knotty frigate]

Now that safety is soo much more of a priority in a way it’s looking great

[fluid delta]

It's not even in the same.. well, it IS in the same universe, but you get my drift. Look up the astronomical details. Think it through. Moon is easy mode.

[modern raptor]

Since a long time

[south escarp]

I think it will detail how humans conquer the solar system and end off with alpha centauri (just like the beyond!!!)

[knotty frigate]

Yeah, it is easy but it’s a start

[modern raptor]

That’s in the future @south escarp

[tribal hearth]

the legacy protocol. They said they'd give me a permanent x2 if I restarted and I did it, but when they removed the feature on release I was left with a level 1 simulation and no x2 multiplier, so yeah

[south escarp]

Yeah the big bubble

[fluid delta]

AC isn't a good choice, it's a trinary system, etc. More likely first will be a different star

[south escarp]

Oh true, maybe tau ceti?

[rough axle]

Not in its current state. The idea is a good one, but it needs to be flushed out a lot more. TBH it seems like end of 2026 or start of 2027 content

[modern raptor]

What big bubble?

[tall mirage]

venus has an avg surface temp of 450+ Celsius bro

[fluid delta]

Ah, so you were on Beta! Beta saves aren't comparable to Live saves though.

[knotty frigate]

Oh that’s REALLY great imo

That they will likely take their time to do it right

[fluid delta]

possible yes

[knotty frigate]

Yeah, that’s why we’ll most likely settle above the clouds

[south escarp]

I dont think whatevers after “fully terraformed environment” is going to just be venus

[rough axle]

It’s technically in the game already, but VERY barebones, and locked behind research level ~500

[modern raptor]

That is way hot for humans

[knotty frigate]

But getting there is the problem

[tribal hearth]

I was playing normally on release version and I saw reboot was on beta, so I entered, restarted and it released a few days later, when I went back to release again without my multiplier

[knotty frigate]

Where the temperature is similar to ours

[tall mirage]

💀 the atmospheric pressure there is about 90, it's impossible in our lifetime

[fluid delta]

Getting to Venus is hard but is a minor problem, really, it's just delta V. The thing is: we don't know how to make a sealed floating city yet, even on Earth for Earth.

[lost wren]

okay someone grind the game rq and get there bc that's fr possible yes yes

[tall mirage]

Colonization is a far off concept, even a manned mission is next to impossible

[south escarp]

We should all make a shared email with a maxed out cloud save

[knotty frigate]

That’s probably gonna be easily solved in the upcoming decades

[south escarp]

So we can all be maxed out

[fluid delta]

No.. I mean, eventually, sure, but not anytime soon.

[modern raptor]

So no because it is the hottest planet

[knotty frigate]

Yeah, at least we can dream

[fluid delta]

Dreaming, yes, that we can do 🙂

[south escarp]

Its not delta v iirc, i thought it was impossible to prevent humans from killing themselves on a 9 month journey

There was a video i watched about this

[knotty frigate]

How do you feel about the Artemis mission in like a month or two?

[lost wren]

hk reference

[knotty frigate]

It’s pretty exciting

[warm folio]

can i still get achievements if the red box with a question mark exists? (steam)

[knotty frigate]

And means a lot in the long run

[modern raptor]

We don’t know about those missions @knotty frigate

[fluid delta]

No? Idk where you got that idea. But getting a probe to Venus is straighforward and been done before. Getting humans to places interplanetary and keeping them alive, is a whole different thing

[south escarp]

Lowk i kinda just want them to bring back the mars samples

[rough axle]

Redacted information but here’s what there is so far

Almost nothing

[little fox]

I'm getting some very explicit ads on this game, and only this game. Any idea if the devs can influence this at all?

[modern raptor]

What

[south escarp]

Darwinium progression

[knotty frigate]

Yeah, they’re just teasing us

[rough axle]

Nope

[lost wren]

omg it's john darwin

[knotty frigate]

Oh okay

[south escarp]

What is this exactly?

[rough axle]

Nah that’s just a placeholder model. It’s been used in the beyond before too

[fluid delta]

That won't be happening this decade, and probably will happen with SpaceX "Starship" when it does

[modern raptor]

Colonization (future)

[rough axle]

Trush asked what the big glitch at the top of the tree was

[south escarp]

Dang, we literally have the answer to our question of wether or not there was life on mars and nobody wants to fund it

[knotty frigate]

I haven’t been up do date with Starship stuff, if anyone has then is it going good or bad?

[south escarp]

Its the future right?

[modern raptor]

Yes

[south escarp]

Future expansion

Also how did you get that

[fluid delta]

Indeed. Politics, essentially. We only ever got to the Moon when we did bc of geopolitics. The rise of China is the only reason we will get there soon, probably.

[rough axle]

Oh that’s not my screenshot

[fluid delta]

It's going good.

[rough axle]

I stole it from someone else who got it back in the private alpha

[knotty frigate]

That’s great

[rough axle]

So there’s a chance it doesn’t even look like this anymore

[modern raptor]

So in the future years we’ll get colonization (coming soon)

[rough axle]

I never said that’s what it was

[south escarp]

i hate how politics are the one thing holding us back from discoveries that could benefit all of humanity

more than the mars dots

[knotty frigate]

I miss when I was optimistic about AI development and news when it was probably going to be shaped slowly while we used water mindfully, now I just feel awful about how it’s going and how it’s being used (gen AI)

[fluid delta]

That's humanity. Politics has always been central to human existence.

[south escarp]

yeah, its a shame

[fluid delta]

Yes, but it is what it is. In general, on average, peoples' lives get better each passing century. So hopefully that makes you feel a little better?

[south escarp]

woah i didnt know they would give me the role that fast

[south escarp]

Yeah, and optimistic that one day we will overcome politics

then humanity will be in a

united state

BAHAHAHA

[knotty frigate]

Remember when Elon promised that he’ll get people on mars by 2024 or something 😂😭

[fluid delta]

Politics is probably inherent to intelligence. So.. don't count on it.

[knotty frigate]

🙏🙏

[fluid delta]

Yes... well... Elon was sane up to about 2018 or so and then, he no longer was. Fortunately, SpaceX is run by people that almost entirely aren't him.

[south escarp]

i used politics for lack of a better term, obviously we will always have some form of politics

but just like

warring with ourselves is kinda stupid

[knotty frigate]

Even with Tesla, I heard all he did was awful for the company

I miss when I looked up to Elon

[fluid delta]

Tesla.. yeah, that's a sad fate. Started out great, then Elon went crazy, and now here we are. I sold my TSLA stock years ago

[south escarp]

dude went from real life tony stark to an absolute dumbo

[knotty frigate]

Did it at least go up a bit?

[fluid delta]

It's inherent in humanity. As long as humans are humans, that'll always be the case. It's inherent in life itself, really.

[south escarp]

:/

kinda sad

[fluid delta]

Yep

[south escarp]

but the only way we couldve became the dominant species was warring with other species

[knotty frigate]

As long as corruption exists, which sadly is equivalent to what you said

[south escarp]

uh oh

i think i know why AI hates us in the movies

[rough axle]

I side with ai tbh

Humanity deserves extinction

[knotty frigate]

Which one?

[south escarp]

woah woah waoh

[fluid delta]

Corruption is probably also inherent to Life of a sufficient intelligence.. but that's a whole discussion that probably doesn't belong in this channel

[knotty frigate]

Which AI?

[south escarp]

ai wouldnt kill us all

that would be illogical

[knotty frigate]

AI isn’t conscious enough, or at all for now to have an actual opinion

Now it just imitates language and lots of other stuff

[fluid delta]

Actual AI doesn't exist yet. We don't actually know how AI in general would behave.

[rough axle]

Ai in movies is more like agi

[knotty frigate]

Yeah, but the singularity (of development lol) will come soon enough

[south escarp]

one of my teachers uses ai to grade our assignments

[fluid delta]

.. and yeah, I really dislike the co-opting of the term AI for something that isn't that.

[south escarp]

he says he "controlled the power of Artificial Intelligence"

💀

[rough axle]

The “ai” we have nowadays is just llms and pattern recognition/reproduction

[fluid delta]

And statistics

[knotty frigate]

AI is fascinating

Too bad the current AI is like this

[rough axle]

There is no set boundary between “this is ai” and “this isn’t ai”

It’s a spectrum

[knotty frigate]

Used so unrestrained

[south escarp]

dude all i want is something to compress the mountains of data we have on the internet

something to explain

[knotty frigate]

I hate how every company is so thirsty to have AI integrated for some reason when they clearly know we hate it

[south escarp]

greed

theres money in AI

[fallow gull]

Can some one tell me tips I just start rn I have research level 10

[south escarp]

no matter what the people say

[knotty frigate]

Like disney just closed in a one billion dollar deal with open AI to baisically have awful slop on Disney plus

[south escarp]

wait a minute

PERMANANT 2X ENTROPY LOCKED BEHIND A PAYWALL

WHAT

[knotty frigate]

SINCE WHEN?

[south escarp]

come on guys were better than this

lemme take a screenshot

[fluid delta]

You don't need to, it's no secret. New since Reality Revamp last month

[south escarp]

we are all mad about this, right?

[fluid delta]

No?

[south escarp]

oh theres the photo

it finally loaded in

[fluid delta]

I mean, I'm not thrilled about it, but I recognize CL has to make money to support the game development, so..

And you can get the DW needed for free, you just have to be patient

And not getting those two things just means progress is a little slower... but this IS an idle game, after all

[modern raptor]

So what do you mean after all of that it is gone now?

So does it mean i don’t have to purchase it now?

[fluid delta]

You never had to purchase it.

[amber canyon]

x2 entropy and ideas is largely useless.

[amber canyon]

Just like humans are 🙂

[south escarp]

after everyone has unlocked everything, the people with this will have 2x more production, right?

[amber canyon]

2x more idea and entropy. Not Metabits and knowledge.

Which is roughly equivalent to maybe 5 more of any given generator?

(unless I'm missing something, which is possible)

[fluid delta]

ideas and entropy are nice for XP, ofc.. it's one reason I am the RL I am at.

[south escarp]

i thought metabits and knoledge were made from those

i might be dum

[fluid delta]

they are, but there's a conversion rate, and there's nodes in RE that are related to that, etc. Kf can explain the math way better than I can, I'm sure!

[amber canyon]

There is a basic link. But is indirect.

I am still on the previous updater, but my entropy/ideas flatlined ~2 weeks ago, while my Metabits/Knowledge are still climbing exponentially.

[south escarp]

then how do you make metabits/knowledge?

[amber canyon]

There was no visible change to Metabit/Knowledge earnings at any point when my entropy/idea income changed.

[amber canyon]

It's all in the stat page 🙂

[south escarp]

where is that

[amber canyon]

Reality Engine view, the bar chart thing.

[south escarp]

it says that entropy is converted to metabits

[amber canyon]

I can only assume it's not very sensitive to entropy/idea earnings. Or is done before multipliers are applied. Based on my data.

[south escarp]

alr

new topic

what decides what division ID im in?

[knotty frigate]

This is how my Meso looks like

[amber canyon]

Whether you're a beta player or normal (I think). Then, when you join. First 1000 joiners go into div 11, next 1000 into div 12 etc.

Unless you've been flagged as a cheater. In which case diiv 666.

[south escarp]

wait so there is no div 1-10?

[amber canyon]

I don't think so. Based on what people have said. I never start that early though.

[modern raptor]

Woah @white burrow

[tawdry parrot]

what happens when u press prestige

[modern raptor]

Nope @south escarp

[tawdry parrot]

what is warm climate prestige trait

and do the levels get harder?

[knotty frigate]

Nope, they get easier

[tawdry parrot]

nice

[knotty frigate]

I think it gets + 0.5 every time

[south escarp]

not worth it chat

[modern raptor]

Oh yea the earth made a greenhouse period in Mesozoic

[knotty frigate]

What is?

[south escarp]

the prestige

[bold lava]

Me when my op artifacts got nerfed

[knotty frigate]

Why not?

[modern raptor]

Oh no @bold lava

[south escarp]

its 50 ranks

for a 50% buff

[knotty frigate]

Yeah and it’s easy to get back there

It took me less than a week for prestige 1

[south escarp]

does it reset cards?

[knotty frigate]

Only the basic ones

And you get more epic and rare ones

[south escarp]

its taken me 5 years to get rank 21

clearly we play different

lol

i dont think ill do it when i get 50

in another 5 years

[knotty frigate]

Bdw it would not be worth it if you lost any buff towards the main sim, but for all I know it does not affect the main sin exept for like some RE stuff

[knotty frigate]

Lol

It was easy if I joined a few times a day

By the last ranks I just upgraded my best dynos then farmed for a while for the quests

[south escarp]

Omg i still have this

Yall remember this

Apparently i made a gif for it around 5 years ago

[modern raptor]

Oh yeah the old beyond portal they’re making

[south escarp]

It was when it was still in progress

[knotty frigate]

This is what I focused on this time before waiting a few hours and boom Rank 50 is done

[modern raptor]

Do prestige

[knotty frigate]

Well

[south escarp]

Buy round

[knotty frigate]

I think I’m gonna get two achievements tomorrow

And It’s also late for me and I want to do something else

[south escarp]

Which ones

[knotty frigate]

I’ll probably be able to get to rank 30 in one go tomorrow

At least

[modern raptor]

So goodnight @knotty frigate when you go to bed

[knotty frigate]

These ones

[knotty frigate]

Thank you

[modern raptor]

Oh the achievements

[knotty frigate]

GN to you too guys when you go to bed

[south escarp]

Its noon 🗿

[tawdry parrot]

perfect time to sleep

[knotty frigate]

It’s nearly 10 PM for me

[modern raptor]

It’s 2pm for me and afternoon

[tiny forge]

👋

[frigid adder]

👋

[fallen sage]

👋

[molten stag]

👋

[tawdry parrot]

👋

[strange lark]

Bots also got here

Hm

[desert pebble]

💀

[fluid delta]

?

[desert pebble]

The price hike

The other nodes are around e25

[fluid delta]

ah. yes. it does seem intended to be very challenging to get

[desert pebble]

Do you think they gonna add more of these types of nodes with more updates?

[mellow carbon]

Almost definitely going to add more node types.

[desert pebble]

Because I think it would be better to focus on other branches of RE

[desert pebble]

Referring more to these "Expansion" nodes

More node types are obvious

[brazen junco]

Is there another nod after the battery nod?

[fluid delta]

After Battery II? No, not yet

[brazen junco]

Aight thank you

[thin notch]

What happen to Beyond augments if i go to the supposed different phase?

[mellow carbon]

I would expect so. Depending on how long the knowledge rate increases, Graviton expansion will be doable this release. For the last 2 days my knowledge rate has been doubling every day. If that keeps up for ~10 more days I get Graviton expansion.

[fluid delta]

What did you start with?

[mellow carbon]

2.11E+20 knowledge/s measured over the first 6 minutes. It's at 4.98E+20 knowledge/s for about days 3-4.

day 1-2 was at 0.5534 of the 6min rate; day2-3 was 1.0485, and the number above is 2.3648. There's a 10-20% error bar on that since I only had 10 fills from 3-4

[frigid adder]

Bro I js got scammed

I watched and ad in c2s and it sent me to play, and when I backed out of it, it restarted the game

[rough axle]

ios?

[fluid delta]

Do you mean ideas/s here? Knowledge increase increments take minutes or even hours, depending on how long you’ve been idle, as you know.

[tribal hearth]

God I never thought I'd actually finish this

[blazing tide]

hey i have a question! does the objective for dark matter and upgrade traits overflow to future resets now? i just started objective 15 and the requirement for dark matter and upgrade trait were already filled

[rough axle]

this is a bug

[blazing tide]

oh :000

[rough axle]

i dont think its been reported yet, so go ahead

[blazing tide]

i see i see, thanks!

[spring dome]

oh so thats what happened when i started e28 with 1 completed task

[burnt gust]

I'm quite fed up with the ads

It almost restarted my phone again

[fluid delta]

like rebooted your phone?

[burnt gust]

restarted my phone the first time it happened

[fluid delta]

That's weird. You're using Android I think, by looking at your recent comment history.. could be some weird interaction there with the software/hardware of your device, that's never happened to me on iPadOS

[burnt gust]

Yes I do use Android

It started only when the new update arrived

[fluid delta]

huh. perhaps upgrade or downgrade your version of Android OS?

[burnt gust]

No update available

[fluid delta]

Sure, but you could go to the previous version of Android, yeah?

(by that I mean whatever .x update, the one previous to what you have now)

[charred musk]

Why have cyborgs and androids been removed from the game?

Does anyone know

[fluid delta]

Future content

[burnt gust]

Probably it's not that since it says that it need to connect to Google play services

[fluid delta]

idk, I don't know Android much. Maybe someone else has a better idea of possible ways to fix

[verbal forge]

This might be crazy what i'm about to say...

[fluid delta]

idk, Cells already has a lot going on

[south escarp]

What should I spend Darwinium on? Upgrades, modules, or augments?

[fluid delta]

Yes

[south escarp]

which one should i prioritize?

[fluid delta]

That.. is hard to say. Cheaper stuff first, I suppose.

[frigid adder]

Augments cuz they can be read

[verbal forge]

So, what are the diff between the versions right now?

[frigid adder]

Some of them have more or less content

[inner tapir]

@fluid delta are there any further unlocks after ||Battery?|| (the 5.25OOO one)

[fluid delta]

nope! once you've gotten that node, you're done for now!

[near python]

why are my animals blue

[frigid adder]

Everything is blue bro

[fluid delta]

Perhaps they're depressed? idk, that is odd

[frigid adder]

Iykyk

[near python]

fr

[rough axle]

none is public, beta has e29, alpha should be the same as public, and im surprised umbrella isnt deleted yet

[halcyon galleon]

Why was the AI and cyborg side quest removed from the game?

[rough axle]

planned to be part of a future update

[fallow anchor]

I've had them turn pure orange

[rough axle]

a mi tambien

[inner tapir]

hurray im in the clear and can officially let it run now lol

[fluid delta]

mmhmm! Until the next time you reboot!

how long did it take you to get it?

since you started this reboot?

[inner tapir]

i think a straight 2 week run could probably get me close to buttoning up almost all of what i have remaining at this point

(for knowledge)

[fluid delta]

"buttoning up" as in completing existing compound nodes, but you'd still have more after that (and GE)?

[inner tapir]

correct - all of these open ended ones with 100 unlocks each should be able to be maxed and potentially discover new single purchase branch nodes (though im sure more compound nodes are coming, too)

[fluid delta]

nodnod

[inner tapir]

didnt' realize you're lvl 74

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[fluid delta]

heh yes. That happened yesterday

I won't gain XP that matters until maybe a week from now, bc I rebooted yesterday

[thorny spire]

I jst got 5k metabits after making a new simulation
Since it gets harder to get more metabits, can I just keep making new simulations to get more metabits quicker

Or is that bug abusing

[inner tapir]

that's not a bug, that's a strategic "spam reboot" approach to the game that at times, is necessary

i've spent a few days here and there just rebooting 20-30x to accumulate quick resources like that

[fluid delta]

heh yep. I have soooooo many reboots, thankfully it's not needed anymore for the most part, for the knowledge side of the reality engine tree

[thorny spire]

I see

15k metabits here i come

[thorny spire]

Is next level mindset v just a buy 30 darwinium for 4400 metabits?

[fluid delta]

Yes

[thorny spire]

Is it worth it or no

Also is getting primordial capacitor a good idea

[rough axle]

yes

very

one of the best upgrades in the game

wait wrong photo

[fluid delta]

Depends on your metabits income. If it's easy, then sure. But other than the "free" darwinium and logits, you'll eventually want everything on the Reality Engine tree

[thorny spire]

So more generators more entropy?

[rough axle]

yup

[warm lodge]

Progress update: 9 days on the time chambers. I finally got the Battery upgrade which seems to be the last one for the current patch. I'll probably earn a day or two with what I have and then try a (test) reset with a game saved to see how good or bad life is with the next RE upgrades but with 0 time on the time chambers/crystals.

[dusty rain]

Japanese

Hello

[verbal forge]

Jaw drop.

[dusty rain]

fantastic

[mellow carbon]

If you haven't gotten the reality nexus upgrade, it is worth rebooting for (at some point, once your knowledge rate slows down). Pick up as much modern mastery & knowledge efficiency as you can at the same time. For reference, with all of those, I crossed 5E130 ideas/s somewhere in the first day, and after 4 days hit 3.36E135.

[mellow carbon]

I mean knowledge/s averaged over the time period. So day 2-> day 3 was 108,302.40 seconds, and I gained (3.33E+25-9.39E+24 ) 2.39E+25 knowledge in that period, so 2.21E+20 knowledge/s. Which I can then divide by my 6 minute rate (2.11E+20) to say that it was 1.0485x the rate I'd get from constant rebooting. It happened to be 15 fills over that time.

Metabits is much slower (0.0280x), so if I was willing to reboot every 214 minutes, I'd get more resources from rebooting. It's also slightly more than that since I'd also get some upgrades along the way, but the metabit ones are really slow to get since the rebalance nerf.

[sullen bay]

Can I connect my mobile game to steam?

[frigid adder]

Bro deleted their message

[sullen bay]

what a dumb way to say it too

[tall mirage]

Which significant nodes are left after reality nexus?

Other than GE obvio

[desert flax]

grrrrrrr

whoops context is missing

wait I have 8Sx knowledge

you know what this means?

CORTEX CLUSTER TIME!

[indigo pendant]

I am like an overnight from that lol

[desert flax]

next up, 80Sx

ooh what's this

BANG

x80 000

so the Steam version of SpaceSim is $15

it was free back then

WHY

what am I supposed to do now

[lofty robin]

Just realized this costs 3e22 when I don't even gain 1e16
How did I get it lol

My prices are actually cursed

Why does the doubler cost more than the tripler

I'm so confused

[spare crane]

aren't you going to wait for GE? with time chambers not maxed out it seems reasonable no?

[mellow carbon]

All the levels of knowledge efficiency (not in game, can't remember what it's called). They give a linear increase in knowledge.

[tall mirage]

Oh no significant ones like nexus and theory

I mean these significant too, but yk what I mean

[quasi ivy]

1.5 days idle and 2 Sp already

got battery again aswell

[desert flax]

already 2Sp

bro I haven't even reached 10Sx yet 😭

[long ocean]

hello guys 1 Question to Prestige in Meso is 1 Prestige the compete 50 Lvls again?

[lament crow]

there are 10 prestige with 50 levels esch
technically all 50 level repeat for each prestige

[mellow carbon]

I don't think there are any individually big nodes left other than GE. Finishing out modern mastery costs more than reality nexus, but will only give you 5,25 or 125x depending on exactly where you are in the purchases.

[long ocean]

thx

[lament crow]

also...

[long ocean]

and Prestige gives you nothing its only a you can waste your time more thing right? 😄

[lament crow]

each prestige unlock one special booster card
and if you want to go for completing 100% of meso velly (getting all achievement)
you will probablly need to go through all

[spare crane]

Prestige used to be useful to main simulation, now its completely useless(other than a badge ofmasochism - which I have)

[long ocean]

so lets Prestige than 😄

[mellow carbon]

Make sure to save as much resources as you can. Getting the last achievement takes forever unless you're able to boost Gigantosaur(IIRC) a lot. It was ~6 months of idleing for me.

[spare crane]

Dont upgrade any dino cards above lvl 4, other than gigantosaur

save all possible currency you can, and spend all of it on last prestige

[primal osprey]

2 months for me

[long ocean]

damn this prestige lvl are fast this rare and epic cards do their job 😄

[spare crane]

I did it in 2 days, millions of mutagen thingie saved up for upgrades

[spring dome]

how do you even progress with level 4

i stop at 9

[spare crane]

this is very bad idea, even though its slower, you will spend A LOT more time for final prestiges

[spring dome]

do the quests actually get harder for later prestiges?

[spare crane]

my last prestige i had like 1-2 levels into cards and everything else dropped on gigantosaur

[spare crane]

kinda

[spring dome]

like does it require more generators

[spare crane]

final achievement is very expensive, I personally follower this advice

[spring dome]

theres a quest table on the wiki and theres no difference between prestiges
so it actually gets easier with warm climate

[spare crane]

also this

[spring dome]

yeah i do know that you can just spam buy and upgrade if you have 2 underlevelled cards

[spare crane]

last meso achievement is 200 gigantosaurs, and its terribly slow if you don't have the card upgraded

the idea is that its getting faster until you hit the wall with gigantosaurs

if you care about getting 200 gigantosaurs of course

[tall mirage]

This is weird, the bar didn't even fill 1%? It should have atleast been visible

[spare crane]

If you dont it really doesn't matter. There is no point in doing prestige now other than completionism. They completely removed the value from it

[spring dome]

level 70 is broken so theres a huge gap here

[spare crane]

its a bug. You jumped levels 69-71 and now in the background, you need to earn the missing level

everybody experienced that

[tall mirage]

I mean 9.2E261 is 3% of 2.76E263, but the bar ain't even visible?

[spring dome]

oh wait

restart the game?

[tall mirage]

Been like this ever since I reached 71

[spare crane]

no need to. It is already reported

you are now earning missing experience to reach level 71 at all

[tall mirage]

🤔 But 69 to 70 should be wayyy less than e261 right?

[spring dome]

he knows that
its about the blue bar thats supposed to exist here even after skipping 70

[spare crane]

but you earned 69-70. The invisible jump is from 70-71, where it displays 71, but you still need to "earn" the experience

[spare crane]

its going to be empty until he actually reaches experience for lvl 71

[vital tinsel]

There's definitely stuff going on with this bar. See my situation :

[spring dome]

oh its logarithmic

[tall mirage]

Yours is correct

[spring dome]

from the last level

so like 1e250 is half way between 1e249 and 1e251

[vital tinsel]

Oh so it is logarithmic ?

[tall mirage]

Any clue when that should be?

[spare crane]

its is but it is also stupid. he is 25% into the level and the bar shows 80% progress. Nonsensical stuff

[tall mirage]

Yea true

[spare crane]

they should show linear progress on progress bar

[spare crane]

No idea, depends on your production. For me it was 2-3 days

[tall mirage]

My modern at only 5/10 and no reality nexus or unified theory, let's see how long I'll have to wait

[vital tinsel]

I guess the point is to motivate players more when the bar is low ?

[tawny heath]

Damn, my tree was on the official cts account??

[spare crane]

i am at exact same spot with upgrades

[tall mirage]

I mean it's idle game, wdym motivation

[vital tinsel]

Logarithmic filling does feel more fitting to exponential growth

[tall mirage]

Oh lol nice, you rebooted and got them or still in the same sim

Mine been running for 7d now

[spare crane]

I rebooted when update landed and then once

now I wait until I can buy everything below Graviton expansion and reboot again

[tall mirage]

Ah, I've only rebooted when the game landed, just curious to hit the 11 day mark to max out time chamber 6

[spare crane]

I am 5 days in, and the second time chamber is not maxed yet

[tall mirage]

The Knowledge Time Crystal 1 maxes out at day 21 btw

[spare crane]

i miss @amber canyon keeping track of this stuff

[tall mirage]

We have a graph which tells us when all TCs get maxed out lol

[spare crane]

a new one?

[tall mirage]

Yea

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/xglui7weja

[spare crane]

because the one before update is already out od date

ooh nice

[tall mirage]

Yea this is new one

[spare crane]

I assume the X axis is days?

So the last time chamber maxes out at day 10-11?

[tall mirage]

Yea

Yea it maxes out at 10d 18hr or smrh

[spare crane]

this is a crazy increase in pace

[tall mirage]

Yup, exponential

[spare crane]

I thought it is going to max out in a month or so

[tall mirage]

which is why I'm waiting till day 11

Also the Time crystal maxes out at day 21, atleast the 1st one

[spare crane]

I assume avrage run is going to be 10 days now then, anything less is inefficient

even if you can upgrade modern to 10/10

I wonder if they counted days between updates vs production/upgrades to match release of new content

That would make perfect sense

[tall mirage]

So TC1 = 1d 16hr, TC2 = ~5d 15hr, TC3 = ~6d 22 hr, TC4 and TC5 = 8d 21 hr, TC6 = 10d 16hr

Which is why Sepheria rebooted at day 9

[tall mirage]

could have, getting GE is way easier with more badges

[tawdry parrot]

if u dont unlock anything in mesozoic valley after extinction 30~ then whats the point of the last 20 extinctions?

[tall mirage]

you should atleast reach rank 50 in meso for primary sim

It'd be wise of you to reboot all the way to prestige 10 in meso to get more to speed up primary progression

[tawdry parrot]

thats fine and all

but I am asking why u dont unlock anything new

perhaps so it stays optional

[tall mirage]

you unlock more dinos wym

[spare crane]

this is just the way its designed, last one is gigantosaur and thats the end of "content" for meso

[long ocean]

i am not sure why you think 30 is the end of new stuff tbh

[tall mirage]

Btw all together, the 6 TCs give u a boost of 2.5e14 to idea/s

[spring dome]

you unlock the last dino in rank 48

[spare crane]

I am going to reboot as soon as I can afford all upgrades below GE(which is around 8E24 more or less), then just abandon the game until I earn for GE

[tawdry parrot]

I mean for primary sim

u dont unlock new generators

[spring dome]

you get % boosts

[tawdry parrot]

what is TC

[tall mirage]

Yea makes sense

[spare crane]

Time Chamber

[tawdry parrot]

okay, what about beyond

i dont like it

its so slow and boring

24h offline and dont get shit

[spring dome]

also some boosts for main sim

[tall mirage]

that's how they designed the game, gatekeeping more generators behind meso in primary sim would be worse imo

[spare crane]

same as Meso

[white egret]

idle games are just like that

[long ocean]

than you definitely do something wrong

[tall mirage]

I'm at 4.17e24, by the time I hit day 11, should prolly reach 1e25, reboot and get as many upgrades as I can, then wait until knowledge time crystal 2 maxes out to reboot again

[amber canyon]

As far as si can tell, in Beyond the thing most people do wrong is try and do the missions. Rather than just keep buying their best generators.

[spare crane]

ah iam going to ignore the tap upgrade, completely pointless since I am almost never using autoclicker

[tawdry parrot]

scaling in beyond is too high

[tall mirage]

Yea same, never used it till now

[white egret]

the difference between 9 and 10 days would be large tho wouldnt it

[spring dome]

max meso:
3.39x entropy
1.5x entropy and idea
3.6x entropy and idea
3.39x entropy

max beyond:
4.8x idea
2.4x entropy and idea
2.74x entropy and idea
4.8x idea

overall:
408x entropy
818x idea

[tawdry parrot]

in meso your blue matter scales

[spring dome]

its going to be useful to at least progress a little

[tawdry parrot]

in beyond it doesnt, for no reason

its stupid

[spring dome]

thats why you have missions for dark matter specifically

[tawdry parrot]

the lootboxes dont give shit either

[spring dome]

or you can just ignore upgrades available for irrelevant generators

[white egret]

at 9 days its ~2500x, at 10 its ~5700x

[tall mirage]

At day 9, TC6 is around 2150x out of 10000x, so rebooting at day 9 might be a good idea only if u have everything other than GE

AND YOU're finally here, time to plot graph for KTC 2

[amber canyon]

Meso and Beyond are not the same. Why would they be?

[spring dome]

i keep everything at 5 except for ones right before a roadblock

[white egret]

i saw the ping in the morning but i was busy passing my drivers test

[spare crane]

Well beyond is not something you max out overnight, don't expect that bro, it is more a side quest to click every now and then

[tawdry parrot]

cuz its supposed to

[long ocean]

its not stupid you just dont understand the Game

[tawdry parrot]

i understand that but its too much

[spare crane]

aaand? shall we avoid roads from now on?

[tawdry parrot]

what do u mean?

[white egret]

indeed so

[amber canyon]

'supposed' to?

[tawdry parrot]

Clearly its a mistake if dark matter doesnt scale

how are you supposed to afford better cards

[spring dome]

its intentional since there is another way of obtaining dark matter...

that being the missions...

[amber canyon]

Congratulations!

[tall mirage]

153 hr 21 min = 30.184
171 hr 35 min = 35.541

Congrats on passing test

[tawdry parrot]

Its not satisfying at all to log on and find no progress in beyond, whereas in meso I always get to roll the extinction

[spring dome]

besides dark matter does actually scale

[tawdry parrot]

its not enough

[amber canyon]

By idling. And doing missions.

[white egret]

maybe they just want it to be slower than meso? you can do like 1 reboot of meso a day without much effort

[spare crane]

man it is and idle, game the pace is going to be slow. It makes sense from design perspective. You are under no obligation to like this type of game tho

ah wrong response

[tawdry parrot]

its too slow compared to idle and primary sim

to the point that it is not satisfying anymore

[spring dome]

they made meso easy cuz they got all 50 ranks out upon release
beyond is hard because they only release 1 episode every year 😭

[tawdry parrot]

then they should have added gimmicks that make more sense

[spring dome]

they made all that after so long and so of course they arent expecting you to finish an episode in 2 hours

[amber canyon]

I personally found Beyond much more satisfying than Meso.

While it wasn't fast I finished Beyond in 2 months? And achievements felt valuable.

Anything I originally enjoyed about Meso was tainted by the prestige/extinction spamming. I felt no sense of achievement for 'finishing' it. Just relief.

[white egret]

this error is still annoyingly large (removed "bad data" (stuff with too large error)) but not all of it

[tawdry parrot]

Perhaps but I'd have to prestige meso first before I complain about that

[spare crane]

yes, "relief" is the word :D, what a slog it was

[white egret]

error on the small stuff might just be from precision loss

[tawdry parrot]

I even bought the r/atheism teapot

[tall mirage]

What if u remove the 3hr 19 min

[long ocean]

its exactly what it should be accept it or dont play it this complaing for minutes doesnt help ^^

[tall mirage]

Btw its 35.541 not 35.5541

[white egret]

though of that and its way better

[white egret]

oh lol entered an extra 5

[amber canyon]

This is why I'm glad Meso prestiges are nerfed in the RE. No-one ever has to do it again!

[spare crane]

X axis is in hours now?

[white egret]

yep

[tall mirage]

Yea damn, still surprising KTC 2 maxes out before 1

[tall mirage]

This is for time crystal yea

[spare crane]

ye but it kinda rewarded the entire experience with something. I wish they at least gave a cosmetic something for this

[white egret]

can someone give a KTC2 time so i can verify

[tawdry parrot]

complaining does help

its relieving

[white egret]

actually ill test mine rq too

[spare crane]

true

[spring dome]

it made the grind even worse for those that still go for max prestige after the update though

[tall mirage]

So
KTC 1 = 0.1727751371x+1.01361601282^{x}
KTC 2 = 0.134852x + 1.01479^{x}

[white egret]

ill give more accurate numbers gimeasec

[tall mirage]

@spare crane can u give plz

SInce you're at day 5

[amber canyon]

You know a cosmetic would make it 'mandatory' again for some players, right?

[spare crane]

ktc2 121h x22.207

[tall mirage]

🙏 Sure, but this is more or less accurate enough I feel

[spring dome]

you're getting nothing at all from prestige 1 all the way up to prestige 10 then you're waiting to get 200 gigantosaurus

[spare crane]

I guess that's the pain of every sick completionist(that I definitely am)

[white egret]

eh

still large error

its worse for smaller numbers

[tall mirage]

It's coz he didn't mention the minutes

[white egret]

ah true

how many minutes

[spare crane]

on mobile there are no minutes :\

[white egret]

click on the hypercube in the middle

[tall mirage]

Jumper, you can check minutes by clicking on the big revolving cube in the middle of RE

[white egret]

reality engine

[tall mirage]

It tells u your sim number + exact time sim is running for

[spare crane]

ah i am dumb, 5d1h21m x22.215

[spring dome]

is the last card unreleased or am i just really unlucky lol

[tall mirage]

I didn't know until yday when Kf pointed it out

[white egret]

even worse

[spare crane]

xD

[tall mirage]

Holy shit, KTC 2 maxing out at day 19.42 is still crazy, unlesssss it scales to 10000

[white egret]

its still somewhat linear around that point so maybe the linear term is too large?

[spare crane]

ye the ominous numbering x22/1.000 on KTC2 and KTC1 x25/1000.000 ????

[tall mirage]

Yea that seems to be the case

[spring dome]

x22/1...?

[spare crane]

ye on mobile its 1,000 as max for KTC2

[white egret]

derivative is .22 at that point so its mixxed between em

[tall mirage]

Yea idk why it still shows up as 1.000, we need someone to run the sim until day 20 to verify

[spare crane]

maybe on browser its different?

[white egret]

what version is the browser?

[spare crane]

same I guess

[tall mirage]

The error is still less than .5% so tis fine for now

[white egret]

last i checked it was 42_24?

[tall mirage]

Shows up as 42_68 for me

when I check on saves

[white egret]

itd be 5%?

[steady dune]

|| rare to get that unlucky I think ||

[white egret]

i last checked a week ago so prolly right

[tall mirage]

? I mean diff between 22.312 and 22.215

[white egret]

ik they do this in meso but you can get a generator but not unlock the cards

[spare crane]

just check, confirm its _68

[tall mirage]

99.5% accuracy so tis good

[white egret]

so same as all others cool

[white egret]

well only for larger numbers tho, which is ig where it matters

like being off by .1 when you have a day in is more effective

[tall mirage]

Yea, coz exponential dominates

WHat's funny is that even if KTC 2 is 10,000

it'll max out on day 26

[spare crane]

I really wish they did include those upgrades in entropy/metabits, this lack of balance itches me

[tall mirage]

Yea gonna happen with molluscs

[spare crane]

are they the first update of january?

I am going to save up metabits then instead of spending on those tiny upgrades

[tawdry parrot]

why dont u guys use your math skills to calculate why beyond is so slow?