💬-cells-chat

[fluid delta]

mmhmm! That's the plan!

[hazy river]

Is it smart to choose red dwarf stars in missions to gain Darwinium?

[inner tapir]

yeah, game is definitely bugged for me. so i went from 69->71 without any indication of lvl 70, i got the 2 research chips, i did NOT get the weird orange logos....and i've been autoclicking/using time warps just to see if my research level will increase and after a few hours, i still have no progress on lvl 71. i wonder if the background math is still trying to apply my progress to meet the lvl 70 requirement and therefore isn't counting my research progress toward lvl 71

[gray yew]

No. It’s possible to gain Darwinium from them, but generally it’s unlikely.

[hazy river]

Yeah I just got three wchich is why I asked how high the chances actually are.

[fluid delta]

I get 3 from White Dwarves, occasionally

[hazy river]

But it shows you that you gain XP?

[amber canyon]

So XP is (for me, pre-Scirntific Revolution II update) pretty close to entropy/s x ideas/s x Sim Speed multiplier.

I don't know if that's coincidence, not really dug into it.

But if that is the same after the update, then it would make sense (given the buffs/ that XP would jump. Not by that much though?

[acoustic thicket]

Guys when i put in the Galileo code (even in all caps) it doesn't work

[hazy river]

Are you in primary world?

[fluid delta]

It's not that now. XP is quite different. Anyway, I am sure you will figure it out 🙂

[amber canyon]

I get ~5-15 day from keeping 2 White dwarf and 3 Red dwarf missions going pretty much continually.

If you haven't got anything else to do with those slots and you don't mind the admin, no reason not to.

I do have the Auriga constellation which ||sets all red dwarf missions to 6h, which with ad boost is ~2h irl time||.

[hazy river]

Ok thanks I dont have white dwarfs so and takes likes 12-18 hours for my red dwarfs.

[amber canyon]

Than that calculation I take it? Not relative to before.

I guess someone might reset their sim and work out what the graph looks like.

Interesting though - I thought they might try and limit XP to stop our RL getting silly high. Ofc they can just increase the XP reqt. But maybe the 'BigDouble' thing means they're really not worried about running out of numbers. Or screen space.

Don't know what I mean by silly high RL really, it's just a number after all. Just as long as we don't have to start considering measuring it with custom/scientific notation 😁.

[inner tapir]

where do you enter codes on steam version?

[hazy river]

Yeah numbers are infinte so they wont run out.

[hazy river]

On the three stripes>help>codes

[inner tapir]

thank you

[amber canyon]

Ah yeah. Auriga will make a difference, as will getting to Beyond Stage II.

You'll feel short of constellation fragments for a fair while (hint, the constellation only takes effect once fully completed, so save up and buy the one you need - or will need soon - in one go rather than buying as you get them).

Sometimes a period of getting stardust is handy if you have cards for your most effective generators but not enough stardust.

[hazy river]

Ok thanks for the tips.

[amber canyon]

The software might though! That was def an issue before the Reality Reboot...

But if the numbers do run out, there are countable infinities we could move to 😬.

... Wish I had something to do with my ridiculous number of fragments ... Imagines the distant future of Beyond Prestige.

[outer hull]

What are the best constellations to get to increase simulation speed?

[glossy geyser]

What is it horizon spotter Grade?

[amber canyon]

Largely depends which Beyond Episode you're at. The constellations that affect speed typically only affects one type of generator. Afaik.

[inner tapir]

after the 69 to 71 debacle, and i finally reset my sim, my progress on knowledge and metabits is horribly slow

[amber canyon]

Hey 71-er!

... Horrifically slow ... ? Like, things you've already bought would be impossible slow?

[inner tapir]

exactly

[amber canyon]

Oof.

[inner tapir]

and my last sim run was netting me about 6-7CC knowledge per reset and now i've accumulated 1.4CC after 20 minutes

and my unlocks (not generators) values have changed to higher values as well

this blows

[amber canyon]

That's a pretty hard nerf to the spam-reboot strat ...

[fluid delta]

optimal still seems to about the same as before the update: reboot and let it sit for a few minutes with autoclicker on, then repeat

[amber canyon]

Wha'?

[fluid delta]

(until you have all the “sensible” nodes bought on the RE tree, ofc)

[hazy river]

You mean it jumps from like e40 to e43?

[inner tapir]

so for example before, rifle was 149KK cost

now it's 900+

it's MORE expensive than Observatory, but i unlocked rifle before and got anxious at how far observatory felt

and post-reset im just CRAWLING for upgrades

[hazy river]

Maybe restart the game.

[inner tapir]

might have to

[amber canyon]

But 4 times more required?

Wonder if someone's gonna develop and sell a C2S spam-rebooter bot ...

Speaking of which, has the not-allowed-to-upgrade-until-X-metabit-fills been applied to you yet?

[outer hull]

At the furthest point

[amber canyon]

What? Primary sim upgrades got more expensive without you updating your software?

[inner tapir]

correct. literally minutes apart between collecting 37CC knowledge and resetting primary

[amber canyon]

Well that's new ...

[inner tapir]

very strange indeed

but my biggest concern is how hindered my progress feels compared to 25 minutes ago

[amber canyon]

Damn. I feel blind without the update 😢

[fluid delta]

I’m honestly not sure of the relative numbers before and after, I didn’t think to look. I hope you and the others aren’t too annoyed at me for that. What I will anecdotally say is that unlike with before, there was some primary nodes that were too costly in Primary after the reboot, so I had to sit there for a bit until I could get them.. then, after some nodes on the RE tree, many reboots, I am now at the point where I don’t have to wait anymore than about 10 seconds to get the last item on Primary.. so yeah, now it’s 5 minutes of autoclicker time maybe, before reboots.. well, was, now I’m holding for a month or whatever

[inner tapir]

and mind you, i had less than 24 hours of cumulative progress from previous reset, so it's not like i negated weeks of time crystals

[amber canyon]

... Why on earth would we be annoyed?

[fluid delta]

… though I will add that I didn’t sit there for an hour or whatever trying to get those last Primary nodes, I just rebooted, to get the knowledge to afford the nodes that made it easier

[fluid delta]

lack of concrete numbers!

[inner tapir]

and my lvl 71 progress is still at 0

[hazy river]

But it states that you get XP?

[amber canyon]

I may want to know stuff, but it's Def not an obligation on anybody to record all sorts of unexpected data that might change randomly 😁. I can't be bothered doing that myself!

[fluid delta]

nodnod. 🙂 .. I wasn’t really thinking it was an expectation or anything. don’t worry!

[inner tapir]

not sure what you mean

[fluid delta]

So.. yeah… frequent rebooting is STILL the way to go, until you get the nodes you want

[hazy river]

Here you can see how much you need and how much you gain per sec.

[inner tapir]

gotcha

[brazen junco]

Had a bug where time froze at 15 sec and now I'm stuck with this

[inner tapir]

3.64 E239/s

[amber canyon]

I think the time nodes to ramp up a lot quicker now though? Lots cap out at ~10 days iirc.

[inner tapir]

how is mine higher than yours and yet i'm further behind

[gray yew]

I’d say:

“Not great.”

[outer hull]

Are you kidding, I would love to have that, mine is only 1:25

[brazen junco]

I mean time looks great but it was a bug, my previous fastest was like 1:14 iirc

[hazy river]

My number was so low because I just rebooted now Im earning more.

[amber canyon]

You don't need to cash in your RL increase do you?

Not clicking on the blue up arrow seemed to sort of pause bits of some people's games.

[outer hull]

I know I can go faster I just can't be bothered to practice

[inner tapir]

im not sure - that's another question i have...if i don't click the blue up arrow, does my RL continue to increase behind it? or does it not begin the counter until i trigger the next level

[brazen junco]

All i wanted was the achievement for below 1:30

And i got it

[fluid delta]

An autoclicker will get that done, very easy

[brazen junco]

I know

And it's already done

[outer hull]

Well yeah but it's pretty easy

heh 😎

[fluid delta]

That I’m not sure. I should have checked an hour ago, dammit

[brazen junco]

Idk anymore I've done the run like 2 years ago and afterwards couldn't be bothered to try again

[amber canyon]

... Not sure ... ?

I think it might not let you restart your SIM until it's been collected. Which would obvs mean you couldn't start generating XP. But during a run ... 🤷

[inner tapir]

and i had collected it earlier this morning, no problem

i may have an idea

i had used some time warps to make some purchases (post lvl 71) and i'm wondering if i had sort of "artificially inflated" my own progress so the game thought i was at one production level and i sort of shot myself in the foot by resetting

[fluid delta]

hmm I kinda doubt it, though who knows for sure?

[inner tapir]

im grabbing at straws, admittedly lol

im only like 4CC away from the 39CC cost modern mastery upgrade

but getting that 4CC is brutal at the moment lol

[fluid delta]

which one is that? The last one of MM IV?

[frigid adder]

I'm grabbing at food, I'm starving (what's your thoughts on scientific revolution 2?)

I like the new garden

[inner tapir]

i mean, im cool with it, for the sake of content lol

[fluid delta]

Sci Rev 2 won’t be next, it’ll be… Industrial Rev I think

[inner tapir]

i think it's like lvl 7

[amber canyon]

Oh wait. Is it specifically the blue bar you're worried about?

Did that get disabled? Snip from #🧾-beta-patch-notes message

[inner tapir]

my time to level up blue bar hasn't been there since the update

but the circle around the hexagon shape of the number has no blue progress on it either (since post 71)

[fluid delta]

ah ok.. yeah, MM IV is really necessary, Modern is now 99.89% of ideas income

[inner tapir]

but i think that may because it skipped me a level and it thinks it needs to "back fill" lvl 70

[inner tapir]

yeah modern has been 98%+ of my income and the MM upgrades have been hugely helpful

[hazy river]

No I also skipped levels so thats not the case.

[inner tapir]

im skipping ancestral since it's 1.8% of my income

[tawdry parrot]

Its unfortunate that PC players miss out on the ad rewards

[inner tapir]

once i get more knowledge to spare ill spend it on that in anticipation of other ancestral upgrades down the line

[fluid delta]

sort of. I mean, during this week where PC has the new update and mobile doesn’t, then sure, but at the same time they get the benefits of the update too. Once it drops on monday for mobile however, nothing stops you from doing ads to top up the rewards, then jump back to PC to play (using crossplatform saves, ofc)

[tawdry parrot]

I suppose

I remember in the past when I played on the mobile version I'd watch a lot of ads to get the dinosaur card packs

[fluid delta]

I generally switch back and forth with PC and iPad since the revamp last month..works great!

[amber canyon]

You seen this- https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1450651380745507001

[frigid adder]

There should be a beyond channel for everyone who has the horizon spotter role

Just like paleontology

[inner tapir]

Yes I don’t have the orange behavior

[unkempt wharf]

@fluid delta!!! Hi again! I quit a little bit but now, I'm playing again. The only issue is that I can resize the screen I want. If I make it fit my pc screen, it overstreches

[amber canyon]

Well, I'll try to get screenshots of stuff as and when I get there and bug-report it ... Or add to any existing ones.

[fluid delta]

That’s wierd. It probably is your GPU settings in Windows though. you can make it to stretch or not stretch in the nvidia control panel as you want, for instance. And welcome back!

[fluid delta]

I don’t either

[amber canyon]

This orange behaviour?

[frigid adder]

Bro

[unkempt wharf]

Ty, umm, what do you mean? I try to change the screen in the in-game settings

Also, I am playing on google play

[fluid delta]

You said “if I make it fit my pc screen, it stretches”. That’s what I’m talking about

[unkempt wharf]

Ok, so how do I fix that? Is there like a setting that can help make it fit?

[fluid delta]

what GPU do you have?

The answer is yes. Idk own a AMD GPU so can’t tell you how it’s done there, I have Nvidia, so can tell you where if you have one of those

[unkempt wharf]

What is AMD? Gpu?

[fluid delta]

.. do you see an item on your taskbar called NVIDIA Settings?

[tawdry parrot]

On PC this game is more idle than most games, especially without the ads

[fluid delta]

It depends, maybe. I have found it anything BUT idle since the Reality Engine revamp

[tawdry parrot]

I am level 3

[fluid delta]

k?

I suspect you’ll want to do frequent reboots of the sim even at lower levels but idk for sure

[tawdry parrot]

Does it get less idle the further you progress?

[unkempt wharf]

ARHHH it takes so long to install this game

[hazy river]

Idle means just chillin while farming stuff?

[fluid delta]

… not normally. But idk your computer or your internet connection

[tawdry parrot]

Not having to click anything

[hazy river]

Stop the download and start it again.

[fluid delta]

Unique just might have a really slow computer or slow internet connection

[hazy river]

Ah okay. Yeah later it gets very idle.

[fluid delta]

well….. does it though? since the RE revamp?

[hazy river]

Maybe but I sometimes also have a bad download rate and stopping and restarting it helps.

[unkempt wharf]

seriously???? All this time wasted??? Not happening

[tawdry parrot]

These early RE upgrades are a bit underwhelming

[hazy river]

What is RE revamp?

[hazy river]

Are you downloading on steam?

[fluid delta]

Reality Engine had a major redesign drop last month (and Primary changed along with it)

[hazy river]

ah that. Yeah thats chill.

[unkempt wharf]

no google play

[hazy river]

ahh okay and there you cant stop the download?

[fluid delta]

and so it went from me ignoring Primary and Reality Engine for months, when I had maybe 20 sim reboots in maybe 2 years of playing to… a ton of activity and hundreds of reboots now.. and while there was a week or so where I didn’t need to touch it, these last few days have been busy.. and now I can sit back again for a few weeks FINALLY!

[fluid delta]

google play isn’t PC.. I’m confused now

[tawdry parrot]

In the pins there are links to guides that tell u exactly what to do and what is most efficient. I think that takes away from the 1 part of the game that's interesting in an idle game. The planning and decision making

[fluid delta]

.. or are you trying to play Cells on a Chromebook?

[unkempt wharf]

I'm sorry, but I don't like to Pay money and I for some reason can't download things, but can install games

[hazy river]

he plays on a mobile phone ig.

[fluid delta]

He mentions both, and it’s in the context of the game window stretching on PC

[hazy river]

Yeah now Im confused too.

[fluid delta]

That is an answer to a different question than what I asked.

[verbal forge]

Braincells hurt reading this.

[fluid delta]

Heh

[unkempt wharf]

I'm playing on chrome. I never know if it actually is considered a pc but I just call it one. And installed at last

[verbal forge]

If I delete my save, will my supporter achievements also go away?

[fluid delta]

It is not. Chrome is a web browser. There are also Chromebooks which aren’t the same thing.

[tawdry parrot]

Research level 4 😅

[fluid delta]

What is the physical device you are trying to install Cells on?

[tawdry parrot]

The glitches are cool

[fluid delta]

yep!!

[tawdry parrot]

They incentivize upgrading the other thingies and its a nice bump in eps

[unkempt wharf]

chromebook. ANd is this considered a pc? This will make me learn a valuable lesson

[verbal forge]

I do, since pc stands for personal computer.

[tawdry parrot]

To dinosaurs and beyond

[fluid delta]

That won’t usually work, the “usually” involves tech stuff that will confuse you, unfortunately. To make it easy on you: No, not a PC in the sense that games generally mean.. it’s not a PC that runs Windows, which is what Steam games generally require

Generally, Chromebooks are limited devices that are usually intended for school stuff.

[tawdry parrot]

Does the metabit convertor require increasingly more entropy to generate more etabits between resets or is it the same amount for each bit?

[hazy river]

Than wouldnt it be easier to use the web version if the app doesnt work?

[tawdry parrot]

You can install android apps on Chromebooks, they're not real PC's

[unkempt wharf]

Ok, so can I somehow resize the screen to fit my screen? It fit my screen automatically before when I went to the settings before smh.

[fluid delta]

If only the web version wasn’t crashy.. but yes, Unique should probably do that. And save to crossplatform saves in the Save manager ingame, often

[hazy river]

Yeah the requirement increases.

[unkempt wharf]

Oh, but this chromebook isn't for school. Its my personal acc

[fluid delta]

Idk. Maybe. Probably not, the operating system probably won’t let you, but idk that for sure

[tawdry parrot]

So getting the same x amount of metabits each reset requires more entropy?

[fluid delta]

Fair enough. Point being, they are limited devices. There’s caveats to that, but for your purpose, “not a PC”

[hazy river]

Ah per reset? No it is still the same.

[unkempt wharf]

Wait, I see the web version of this game but I heard that it wasn't getting updated. Is this true? Or can I play

[fluid delta]

web version works but tends to crash. You can use it. If you want to keep progress and be sure of it, you will need to use the Save manager inside the game.

[hazy river]

It gets updated just take a while until you have the newest version.

[fluid delta]

Agreed. Though that won’t matter for Unique if that’s the only way they play Cells

[unkempt wharf]

Look at this

[hazy river]

You got it? Noice.

[unkempt wharf]

nooo, thats the phone sized size. WHen i try pressing button, it goes wrong

[hazy river]

That already in the #1010249890414202880 forum.

[unkempt wharf]

soo, did they fix it?

[hazy river]

Nope it got added today so I think they will fix it next year maybe.

But on the chrome cant you just change the whole size of the window?

[unkempt wharf]

How???

[fluid delta]

It’s a Chromebook. The browser IS the operating system. kindof.

[tawdry parrot]

nice

[unkempt wharf]

please tell me how

[tawdry parrot]

Got my first augment, it gives simulation speed.
Does this apply to events as well?

[fluid delta]

No Idea. It’s basically Linux, and there’s lots of ways the UI is done, and this is a UI thing. I don’t own a Chromebook so I can’t just go and look. I could tell you how to do it in Windows 10/11 if you had an Nvidia GPU though 🙂 (yeah, that doesn’t help you here, sorry)

[hazy river]

No only primary world.

[fluid delta]

Do a search online, I’m sure you aren’t alone in this problem. Surely you can find the instructions there..

(it’s not a Cells problem)

[tawdry parrot]

Not even dinosaurs?

[rough axle]

nope

only primary means only primary

[hazy river]

In dinosaur world are other augments and in beyond too.

[tawdry parrot]

Got it

I try to read every upgrade node's text

I am not in school anymore but I think learning more about nature is fun

[fluid delta]

One can learn about Nature in lots of places 🙂

[verbal forge]

Go to the top right, and you should see 3 options, the minus will minimize, the x will close and the square should shrink/full screen the window.

[fluid delta]

You are misunderstanding the question. It isn’t how to handle the Chrome window, it’s how to prevent a full-screen program from being scaled

[verbal forge]

Dang.

[tawdry parrot]

They're digital dinosaurs, surely they don't feel pain

[verbal forge]

Justice for pixels.

[unkempt wharf]

But it worked before :(:(:(:O

[tawdry parrot]

@unkempt wharf Just install the android version of the game on your chromebook

[fluid delta]

ok not saying it didn’t. what I am saying is that I don’t know ChromeOS so can’t tell you how. But I think if you look online you can find out

[hazy river]

it looks like he did.

[unkempt wharf]

thank you, I did

[hazy river]

Noice.

[unkempt wharf]

Honestly, I should've refrazed my wording. I think it should be the game screen, not the full screen size because the right and left parts are included in the full screen size, but I just want the game screen to be bigger

[hazy river]

Zou dont have this resolution field?

[tawdry parrot]

This is funny 🆘

[unkempt wharf]

how do you find that?

[tawdry parrot]

this place is so cool

[hazy river]

Just like in the picture it should be in the settings menu. If you dont have than that means you cant change it.

[unkempt wharf]

I don't see it@#$%^& My life is over

[hazy river]

Jep there will still come some Nodes.

[loud mortar]

is the encyclopedia augment 50 or 250 logits? the announcement and trailer are contradictory

[rough axle]

50

[loud mortar]

ok

[tawdry parrot]

How do the different simulations affect each other? I just unlocked mesozoic valley and it seems isolated from the primary simulation

Besides the fact I can earn darwinium

[unkempt wharf]

I don't remember you answering this but is the web better for me? I heard some people say its not getting updated but at least it has the chromebook's screen size.

[fluid delta]

it is separate. So is Beyond. So are Events. They all connect in the sense that there are nodes in Reality Engine which affect how fast Primary goes, once you get them

[hazy river]

Well by leveling mesozoic and beyond you get new stuff in the primary sim.

[fluid delta]

it does get updated, it just gets updated last. You maybe will have better luck with that. Just be warned that it does tend to crash.

[rough axle]

and delete save files

[fluid delta]

Or.. perhaps?… perhaps play Cells on a different device than your Chromebook. That’s what I’d really recommend

[tawdry parrot]

Ah yes we got reptiles

[verbal forge]

Chat, on new Year's Eve, I'm planning on completely reset my progress. I have some questions.

1. What's the main difference between resetting your simulation and just deleting the save?

2. Will deleting my save delete the supporter achievements I have, my working hypothesis is yes.

[fluid delta]

In just Reality Engine + Primary, or the entire game to become a “new user”?

[verbal forge]

The reset simulation button in the "help" menu.

[tawdry parrot]

Nuking the mesozoic valley is so satisfying

[verbal forge]

That gets rid of all my achievements and stuff right?

[tawdry parrot]

Dont delete save

[verbal forge]

That'll delete my supporter achievements right?

[fluid delta]

I think that’s just Reality Engine. So as I understand it, it resets you to level 1, all research chips are gone, all nodes in Reality Engine are un-bought, and you have no currency to buy them. Beyond that, not actually sure.

Idk if it would affect Steam achievements. As to this Discord, probably not since it’s a manual process

[hazy river]

No ones knows...

[verbal forge]

Oh, I don't care about those.

[verbal forge]

Dang, I'm just gonna assume yes.

[rough axle]

reset simulation only deletes achievemments tied to collecting a certain number of generators

story, secret, and supportor achievements stay

[fluid delta]

Might I ask why you want to reset your RE tree on new year’s eve?

[verbal forge]

New year, new game? Idk.

[hazy river]

Maybe a person will be able to answer you.

[tawdry parrot]

It's such a redditor thing to do 😭

[verbal forge]

I am not a redditor.

[fluid delta]

I suppose. Cells wouldn’t be my personal choice of a game to restart. FFXIV might be though 🙂

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[fluid delta]

.. or a new playthrough of the Mass Effect Trilogy. Overdue for that, I am

[verbal forge]

So unlocked reality engine stuff stays unlocked? What about event badges?

[rough axle]

everything in the reality engine (except the neutrino relic) is deleted, badges stay

[verbal forge]

Mmmmm, my brain is growing.

[rough axle]

resetting the primary deletes nothing outside of the primary simulation

[verbal forge]

I see.

[fluid delta]

If you want a total fresh start, zero badges, zero everything, you can certainly do that. We might doubt your sanity a bit if you do, but you certainly can do that. 🙂

[verbal forge]

Dw, I doubt my own sanity.

[fluid delta]

😆

[verbal forge]

Though good news, I think I've changed my mind. I wanted to be able to reset everything but my supporter achievements. But it seems that isn't actually a thing. So......

I might not do that.

[tawdry parrot]

I am gonna write an AHK script to autoclick while doing other things

[fluid delta]

You don’t need to go to that trouble, the one several of us use is… one sec..

https://www.opautoclicker.com

Indeed, I have it running rn 🙂 (I use Cells on Steam on a 2nd PC)

[tawdry parrot]

I have a single PC I am trying to make it less intrusive

[fluid delta]

You could have it running in a VM. That would work.

.. probably.

[inner tapir]

can any other lvl 71'ers post a photo of their reality engine with the total progress they have so far?

[tawdry parrot]

Maybe they should sell an autoclicker for $

I've seen other games do that

[teal hamlet]

eh they probably won't

[fluid delta]

Why? Anyone halfway knowledgeable could easily make their own

Now, equivalent functionality within the game, that’s something they could do, but.. it would take much of what fun there is out the game, probably.. for those who haven’t played without it to the point of tedium, ofc

[teal hamlet]

They've said themselves that it is encouraged to use an external autoclicker.

[inner tapir]

or can anyone post what the total requirement to go from lvl 71->72 is? mine said 2.76 E263

[teal hamlet]

They might implement a free autoclicker, but definitely not for money

[fluid delta]

Anyway, I am glad they aren’t doing money pushing things

[tawdry parrot]

So far with AHK I can make it so I don't need to toggle the autoclicker when moving out of the game as it only clicks when its focused. But I can't do much beyond that

[fluid delta]

Yeah, idk if we are supposed to mess with such things in the context of the game. It might be a grey area. If you do choose to, you might want to keep quiet about it. Up to you though

[tawdry parrot]

I'd be fine with either

[fluid delta]

I do know XP changed with this update. I know mine changed.

[inner tapir]

yeah...but the values are fixed, right? in other words, from simulation to simulation, it doesn't care about your nodes - the total XP required to unlock is uniform across all players regardless of upgrades/conditions right?

[fluid delta]

Yes. But it did jump a bit with the update.. and the amts at various levels jumped up too

I think that’s why we lost the fractional level XP with this latest update

[tawdry parrot]

I am unlocking humans in a bit. Curious what's gonna happen o_O

[inner tapir]

hoomans comin in hot

[tawdry parrot]

time to destroy the enviroment

[inner tapir]

just got modern mastery lvl 7, so let's see if there's any improvement for mine

[fluid delta]

hopefully! I know doing MM7 helped me

[inner tapir]

my game sort of feels like i forgot to purchase a dozen unlocks lol

but like, they're available and i just missed them

[fluid delta]

heh .. well… there’s a bunch of nodes in RE that got added, they are VERY helpful, so…

(so I reboot spammed until I got all but the ones that were too painful to get)

[inner tapir]

yeah but like i said i was cruising today, doing unlocks since the update (been very active since the update) and then i just hit a wall on 71

clarification: hit a wall on 71 after i reset my sim

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I did read what you put earlier, idk if there’s some weirdness there or not. I don’t have the math skills to properly judge

… I’m glad I didn’t have to deal with a 71 wall. If it actually is there, I lucked out

[inner tapir]

i truly think i had just advanced far and my total cumulation multipliers were just being affected (positively) and resetting sort of made it feel slower, but maybe accurately so because i artificially inflated my earnings and the game modifiers were helping me

thats kinda all i can think of

and maybe if i just let it sit tonight into tomorrow, i'll sort of catch up (especially with the new cortex cluster)

maybe i just need some time for the game to grow and let time play its course

granted cortex cluster is civilization specific, so bad example - but you know what i mean

idea time chambers are what i meant

[fluid delta]

heh.. yeah, I am looking forward to see how that cooks.. next friday morning I should really see it. I will say that most of 1 full day in, I am at about 8x knowledge acquired compared to a quick reboot run. Before it was like maybe 2x

[inner tapir]

a good way to measure your income growth over time (instead of just watching your income incrementally increase/s) is to look at the boost page at the entropy burst and idea burst. the displayed value will increase over time, showing you maybe a more digestable way of understanding your increases. for example, 5 mins ago, a 4 hr idea burst was 32.00III, now it's at 35.00III

so i know that's about a 9% increase

[fluid delta]

But isn’t it exponential growth, with the time chambers, and not linear? so you couldn’t just eyeball it unless you are better at math than I (and probably are)

[inner tapir]

im really good at assessing values in math, and i've grown to be good at it in this game

like when i have big upgrades coming up, i can guess the rough-amount i'll be earning/s after i trigger an unlock and i'm usually +/- 1-2%

so i at least know that when it comes to mathin' in this game, i've pretty much got the logic laid out

i mean yeah, it's just math

but this game can complicate that with all of its notations and such

and its compounding values across teh board

[fluid delta]

Sure, but the calcs did change after this recent update. I know that much.

[inner tapir]

they did, but if im earning 31.26HHH/s and i buy a scientific revolution 2.5x multiplier, and my scientific revolution is ~95% of my total income at the moment, i know my 31.26HHH should jump to roughly 75HHH

and when i predict that and it becomes accurate, i know that the way i assess my particular simulation and apply math to it is fairly accurate

up to 39.00III now btw lol

so over the last ~15 minutes, a net increase of about 22%

[fluid delta]

Nice!! Your ideas income you mean?

[inner tapir]

exactly

so this tells me that at my current rate, if i empty my ideas on generator upgrades to hopefully pump up my total earnings, i should be able to achieve an unlock that would have taken me 10 minutes in about 8 minutes now (back to that ~22% from previous example)

[fluid delta]

nodnod

[inner tapir]

so i come at the game from a bunch of different angles and ultimately they all mean the same thing

it's like, what's more important...the total income? or the speed at which you earn it? well, they both are implicative of one another

[fluid delta]

Indeed. I mean, i can do math, i do some in this game, but it’s strictly pre-Uni stuff, nothing complicated. 🙂

[inner tapir]

hehe, nothing fancy for me either

im just quick with percentages and the same multipliers they have here

in some of the events where it's like "bees x1037293 more efficient" i'm like "pshhh whatever the fuck that means" CLICK

[fluid delta]

and.. I haven’t bothered to figure out the interrelations and such, I leave that to Kf and others who produce graphs and all that, which I look at 🙂

Oh, the Events stuff is dead easy, like.. one multiplication, how hard is that?

“efficient” there is just another way of saying “makes more of the thing that generator makes”

like it literally is just multiplying it by that number. Nothing more.

[inner tapir]

I know but trying to do that math is a big NOPE

[fluid delta]

… bc you don’t want it to be that easy?

[inner tapir]

Because x1037293 is impossible to do quick math on lol

I know what they mean by efficient

It’s those random ridiculous numbers that i laugh at

[fluid delta]

Well, first off, it’s almost never a number like that. 2nd, if you don’t need actual precision and just a rough amount so you can figure out which node is better, then you can do that in your head. x1037293 is within 3% of x1 000 000, so if a generator is doing 5.7 CC/sec, then it’ll be 5.7 EE/sec, add on a little for that 3%, so call it 6 EE/sec. Easy!! Much easier than what you were talking about earlier!

[inner tapir]

Oh I’ve definitely seen numbers like that lol

[fluid delta]

lol… well, i did say “almost never”

[inner tapir]

😜

[fluid delta]

thankfully, “custom” makes it the easiest notation to compare stuff in game like that

[inner lantern]

idk if i'm being insane or smth, but, wasn't there an upgrade in the reality engine area thingy where it said that the longer i was in a simulation, the more boosts i'd get or something along those lines?

[fluid delta]

that’s the “time chambers” bit above. The longer you go without rebooting the sim, the more the bonus you get grows (up to a cap)

(if you have those node(s) in Reality Engine, that is)

[inner lantern]

ight, swag. glad to know i'm not insane

[fluid delta]

🙂 .. you are not

[inner lantern]

okay, yeah, i found it!! thx for making me realize i wasn't being insane and i imagined the whole upgrade

[fluid delta]

However, if you can stand to reboot the sim a lot, you should generally do so within 10 min of getting as far in Primary as you can.. in order to harvest the currency to spend on RE nodes.

.. that said, I know the calculations/benefits improved since the update a few days ago, so for actual leveling (not node buying), I’m not actually sure what’s best

[inner lantern]

ight, thx for letting me know :)))

[proper lotus]

I just started the event but ok

3 days?

[fluid delta]

Do you have an adblocker installed?

Systemwide, I mean?

bc if Cells can’t see the network properly, maybe that’s why?

[spring dome]

interesting how non-automated generators boost the tap income but not the quantum charges

[fluid delta]

quantum charges?

[spring dome]

the yellow things that you can get by watching ads

ive popped a few and each one of them still give the same 7e30 regardless of how many humans i bought

[fluid delta]

oh, those things. yeah.

[warm lodge]

I planned on going for a (very) long run and build my time chambers but now I can get this one when I reset now. So I guess I will kill my 1.5 day time chambers as it is not so long yet and this upgrade seems really good.

[desert flax]

sigh again

[warm lodge]

You can make 666 soon.

[inner tapir]

i usually get ~850 on those

[frigid adder]

I get 700, using all 10 fingers

[fluid delta]

Cortex Cluster gives me x130 so yeah, it's worth getting, for sure. It's not the only one to get before a long run though.

[warm lodge]

Can't afford the other major ones yet.

Just got 1.3 E22 now

[prime vale]

guys is uraniborg out yet?

i wanted to transfer from beta to normal

[fluid delta]

yes, on Steam. Mobile on Monday

[prime vale]

oh ok ty

[hollow pelican]

I've never thought it worked

[gloomy pagoda]

hey what's your username

[fluid delta]

inside Cells?

[gloomy pagoda]

yeah

[fluid delta]

sepheria

[gloomy pagoda]

wanna be friends?

[desert flax]

h
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[fluid delta]

go ahead and add me in game if you want

[gloomy pagoda]

alright

[desert flax]

what the name

[kindred hound]

So I've taken a long break from this server...
and I'm concerned about the latest live stream.

Remember Cell to Singularity's 7th anniversary?

They added a new code related to the problematic meme that's everywhere...

[fluid delta]

Why would the similarity bother you?

[warm lodge]

There is nothing problematic. Just kids and teenagers who want to have their own words and happenings. Just like we all did at that age.

As soon as the grownups get it, they move on to the next thing. Like: Now.

[kindred hound]

What I said was: this meme has gone too far that some schools had to ban it because it's disruptive.

[fluid delta]

That has nothing to do with Cells

[kindred hound]

Yes, but is the code "SIXTOSEVEN" related to the meme?

[fluid delta]

Who cares? it’s a code that gives you 15 free Darwinium. Use it or not.

What the employees of Computer Lunch may or may not be thinking is none of our business

[kindred hound]

Whatever. I used it anyway.

[fluid delta]

As the word isn’t blatantly taboo in our culture (as the N-word would be), that it is what it is, is none of our concern

[rough axle]

coincidence

[kindred hound]

It's probably a concern to the world, but at least this game doesn't show this more.

So I'm kind of fine a bit with this one.

[fluid delta]

… it’s not the N-word or equivalent. I honestly don’t get the dislike for them choosing what they did

Might as well get mad at AMD for choosing code names for CPU architectures that glorify paganism, or get mad at Coke for having a product that encourages illicit drug use (Cocaine). shakes head

[kindred hound]

I honestly have to agree with this one and be concerned with these too. Anyway, this is getting off-topic.

[fluid delta]

… you’re concerned about the examples I gave?

[kindred hound]

Well, never heard of these before, I'm in a different country.

[inner tapir]

my 31.00III is now up to 1.30JJJ, so a ~43x increase in a few hrs

[fluid delta]

Well, different countries have different cultures, it’s true. In any event, you’ve mentioned your concern. Noted.

[fluid delta]

Nice!!!

Before you know it, you’ll be level 75! 😄

[inner tapir]

next upgrade is 150KKK and im currently at 15JJJ. so essentially a 15,000x increase from where i am now lol

[fluid delta]

10000, not 15000

[inner tapir]

wish time warps in game contributed toward "time spent" for time crystals

^

hey, i never said my math was ALWAYS right hehe

[fluid delta]

yes, well, I couldn’t see myself spending DW even if they did

heh

[kindred hound]

I like how people call the time flux as the time warp lol.

[rough axle]

150. . . what?

[kindred hound]

I'm still making some progress to level 64. About ¾ of the way there.

But level 75 is another level (and it actually is a different level.).

[loud mortar]

mustve been the wind…

[fluid delta]

ideas, not knowledge, i’m sure

[kindred hound]

Just got my daily reward.

[loud mortar]

im out of things to blame it on

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/wind-uhhh-gif-24762680

[kindred hound]

"Must have been the... uhh, um... the uhh..."

"LOOK IT'S A UFO-"

[fluid delta]

Shhh.. don’t tell him that “SS” is in Custom, either! He might freak out!!

[frigid adder]

They should add wind and other weather to c2s fr

[wraith turtle]

1+1 is easy right?
Now try to prove that it equals 2...

[strange wing]

I can't prove sry

1+1=10

[inner tapir]

1+1=11

[fluid delta]

@amber canyon You and others might be interested to know, that 26hrs since my last reboot, before the recent update, I’d see 2x the reward. Now it’s about 16x the reward! The multipliers on the Time Chambers have also roughly doubled since I posted their info roughly 12 hrs ago.

[mellow carbon]

1+1 = 0

[mellow carbon]

Someday the update will come to Android 😉

I wonder if they should make the various multipliers apply to the 30x tapping for 15s. after 48 hours it's pretty much pointless (I moved the bar maybe 10%)

[fluid delta]

Two days, maybe even just a day and a half, Your wait is almost over 🙂

The asteroid you mean? Yeah, it doesn’t do that much but it’s nice to have soon after you have completed your reboot, it does improve the knowledge gain if you intend to reboot after a short time.

[fluid delta]

that’s true in binary

[fluid delta]

This is also true in binary if you only have one digit 🙂

[fluid delta]

this is only true if you are overriding the meaning of “+”, as you can do in some languages 🙂

[white egret]

also true mod 9

[fluid delta]

I don’t think so?

[white egret]

11= 9+2=2

i mean ==2 mod 9

[fluid delta]

well yeah, that I would agree with 🙂

or wait, does it? i’m too tired to think it through

[white egret]

mod n means treat n like 0

so like mod 9 means 9 should be treated like 0

t.f. 11=9+2==0+2==2 mod 9

[fluid delta]

yes but you never get to 9 in the first place, you only get to 2, with 1+1

[white egret]

they are equivilent

all numbers n*9+2==2 mod 9

-7,2,11,20 etc

[fluid delta]

but you just added a 9 that wasn’t there. Above was 1+1 on the left side, no 9 there

[white egret]

yeah because 9 is equivalent to 0 mod 9

like adding 0 doesnt change the value of something

i got dinner but look up "modular arithmatic" for more info

[fluid delta]

sure but the 11 on the right side would then be 3

anyway, I don’t really care much, so.. yeah. Have a good dinner!

[dreamy echo]

no they're right

also nice, taylor series

oh i suppose more specifically it's a maclauren series

but they're good power series'

anw i challenge you to find a prime p where 2^(p-1) == 1 (mod p^2) and 3^(p-1) == 1 (mod p^2) are both true

[white egret]

where?

i dont fw maclauren i just always call it a taylor

[white egret]

i aint a number theorist 🥀

[vital tinsel]

Interesting challenge

Both these equalities are true with mod p for any p other than 2 and 3, so there's reason to think there could be a solution with p^2

If 1 was prime it would be a trivial solution 😆

[desert flax]

2 + 2 is 10...

[desert flax]

3

(nah, jk, I asked Gemini on it and it broke down)

also it slipped

[vital tinsel]

We also know that 2^(p(p-1)) and 3^(p(p-1)) are both 1 mod p^2 using Euler's totient function (for p prime other than 2 and 3)

[desert flax]

isn't the Euler totient function of n how many numbers are coprime with n

[vital tinsel]

Yep

[mellow carbon]

I was thinking of boolean with xor as +, but yea, 1 bit arithmetic also gives that effect.

[arctic peak]

Hello guys, I played this game a long time ago and deleted it, I’ve recently returned since I saw the new update and rebooted my simulation, according to what I still remember there is something beyond singularity, how do I acsess it now

[hazy river]

I think it was removed.

[arctic peak]

thats a shame still good to know

[acoustic thicket]

Yes

[hazy river]

And the code still doesnt work?

[acoustic thicket]

Does it work now?

[hazy river]

It should.

[acoustic thicket]

it says connection to rewards server timed out for some reason

Okay it works now nvm thank you

[glossy geyser]

Do you have any advice or ideas? I'm stuck, I'm not making any progress

[white egret]

a bit busy but such prime doesn't exist because 3^(p-1)-1 can't generate merssen primes (might but wrong tho) im gonna type the proof in general to avoid clutter

[mellow carbon]

Depends on where you are. If you haven't upgraded to the new release because it isn't out on your platform, wait for that. If you haven't rebooted in a while, then that will probably help. You'll need to give more information on what you've bought and how you play (mobile has ads for 4x) to get help

[untold lily]

At what XP are you? Im at 7.03e261, and 1.19e252/s

[icy leaf]

the delighted moment of getting human during the event

[rapid island]

Wait

I didn't notice Beyond E29 is the next update

[vivid mirage]

I think my in-game timer is bugged, got 32s for Singularity

[glossy geyser]

Hi it's my stat

[hazy river]

Yeah that can happen. Just reboot.

[tawdry parrot]

So if u get far enough into the primary simulation you get a new resource

That means my darwinium spent on entropy upgrades are worth less now

[vast swift]

Might be a stupid question, but what exactly does the science do if you repeat the pollination thing?

[rough axle]

Boosts your score on the leaderboard

[vast swift]

Oh it’s just that

Ok thanks

[latent gate]

@hazy river what "Galileo" code is?

And how to claim these, 2 just disappeared

[hazy river]

You need to Click on the three Stripes top right and than on help. There is the Code Option. There you need to enter the Codes in Capital Letters.

[tawdry parrot]

If I only get a 5% simulation speed boost per event from the first badge

Won't it take a lot of events to get to the second badge?

It's scaling very hard

[latent gate]

Wait wait

@tawdry parrot isn't 1 badge give 1% sim speed?

[tawdry parrot]

I mean within the event

[latent gate]

Ohhh ok

[tawdry parrot]

Do the augments affect events? I can access them from the menu

[latent gate]

I don't think so

[tawdry parrot]

Then how will this ever get faster?

[latent gate]

@tawdry parrot all badges give 1% speed boost right?

[latent gate]

Watch ads for x4

[tawdry parrot]

I saw on the wiki people can even redo the event where it's even harder

[latent gate]

That's how I get top 100

[tawdry parrot]

I think u are talking about the RE upgrade here

[latent gate]

Wait they don't do it by default????

[latent gate]

Oh ok

[rough axle]

No

[rough axle]

No

[tawdry parrot]

Thats a bummer

So it's just badges then?

[rough axle]

The only thing that speeds up events is the 4x boost and that specific event’s badges

[tawdry parrot]

Are there any events u can actually 100% without prior badges?

[rough axle]

All of them

[tawdry parrot]

The bee event is way too slow

You'd have to nolife

[rough axle]

Exactly

All events are possible to beat without badges

It’s just not very convenient

[fluid delta]

.. but know the leaderboard within an Event is what determines who gets the Top 10 and other prizes, so if you value getting those, then having the Top 10 most science compared to the other 1000 players in your division, matters. If you don’t care about that and just want the 3 badges that the event gives you, then don’t worry about it.

[fluid delta]

Not anymore, not since the Reality Engine revamp

[tawdry parrot]

I unlocked space o_O

[untold lily]

Its +5% per badge now, if respective research node is maxed

[fluid delta]

All of them, though as someone who has never done a specific event before, you may want to start 1st day, and go back and forth into the event fairly often (you get more progress when out of the event, if you watch an ad (or pay 2 DW, or have Infinity Pass) when you go back in. If you are on mobile, be sure to have the 4x ad boost active, and if on Steam, make sure to either have Infinity Pass or… well, pay the DW to top it up or watch ads on mobile and move your save over via in-game Save Manager.

[tawdry parrot]

I've never gotten this far on mobile so time for dopamine

[tawdry parrot]

I did the cross save ad thing last night but its a bit of a chore uploading and download the save each time

[fluid delta]

That’s not true, unless I misunderstand you. It’s always been an average 10% per badge (in the same event only), up to 200%, where after that the bonus starts leveling off, to where it asymptotes at 400%

[fluid delta]

That it is. This is why iPad (or mobile) is peak Cells unless you don’t mind paying for Infinity Pass each month

[tawdry parrot]

I could use an android emulator

[fluid delta]

Yes you can though that’s the exact same transfer hassle

[glossy geyser]

Guys you have advises for boost my production of idea?

[tawdry parrot]

How does space affect the primary simulation?

[fluid delta]

Buy nodes on the Ideas part of the Reality Engine tree

[fluid delta]

It doesn’t, except for the specific nodes on the RE tree

[glossy geyser]

which ones

[fluid delta]

All of them

[tawdry parrot]

oh

[glossy geyser]

I don't have enough orange stuff

[fluid delta]

Doing reboots of the sim until you have enough to buy nodes is the game loop

[glossy geyser]

Ok ! Thx bro you are the goat

[fluid delta]

yw!

[young spade]

these new upgrades are crazy??? e72 at beginning???

[tawdry parrot]

So it's just to keep u occupied?

[rough axle]

*and to unlock Martian generators

[rough axle]

Only?

[acoustic jolt]

Is anyone experiencing small progress loss when they move a save between 2 computers using Steam?

[tawdry parrot]

13 dollars is a steep price for an idle game like this

[acoustic jolt]

i.e. I thought I already had level 54, but apparently not....?

[young spade]

well it's not like I've been grinding 3 years ago hehe

[rough axle]

If you factor out the bonus 300 Darwinian it’s really only 5 dollars

[fluid delta]

No? Beyond is fun on it’s own, but the boost to Primary is nice

[rough axle]

I still wish you could buy the infinity pass without the darwinium

[fluid delta]

You will once you click on the glowing blue “I have enough XP for the next level” arrow indicator

[sweet hedge]

Imagine if they make the infinity pass into a battle pass of some sort

[fluid delta]

You shouldn’t see any regression if you move the save from a cloud save within the games’ Save Manager

(don’t use Steam’s save for this)

[tawdry parrot]

I understand, I'd pay the 5 bucks to make the game convenient on PC

[acoustic jolt]

I meant I had fully gotten 54, and unlocked Pythons, not "oh yeah I need to click da button"

[acoustic jolt]

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak
Because I do play between computers and rely on Steam to nicely shepheard files between devices

[tawdry parrot]

If they could make cross-save more convenient then I could more easily watch ads

I can't justify the 13$ for an idle game but it's pretty sweet for them I can imagine

[fluid delta]

You can, it works, but I’d be nervous. I do know that people have had issues using Android saves (Google Play). For what it’s worth, I move saves between iPad and Steam often (when versions are the same), using the method I describe.

[fluid delta]

I’m with you on the $5. The cross-save process isn’t a big thing though, you move the save to mobile, spend 5 min or whatever topping up the ad boost in Primary, Beyond etc, then move back to Steam for the day.

[tawdry parrot]

If u want the 4x it's not the whole day

[fluid delta]

Sure it is. Max is 72 hours, only the first 16 are 2x

[tawdry parrot]

Your max is 72 hours? must be an upgrade

[sweet hedge]

They should also make generators take time to buy (you can skip the time by using darwin ofc), add a beginner bundle which gives you like 10 darwin and 1 time flux for 19.99 dollars, replace darwinium with gems and make them harder to get f2p, and remove the time flux cap at exploration events😈

[fluid delta]

is it still? could be. It was at one point, but idr those being expensive on the RE tree. I’ll look when I get up

[fluid delta]

… No. lol

[tawdry parrot]

Thanks for all the answers so far

[untold lily]

Oh sry, I meant the boost which applies to main simulation

[fluid delta]

Ah ok. There’s several nodes I think, so it’s not the same as a 1.1x boost per badge. I’ll also doublecheck that when I get up soon 🙂

[untold lily]

I guess its a tiny bit more

[tawdry parrot]

@fluid delta I keep getting logged out of my cross-save account

I am using google to login at the moment, would switching to email and password resolve this issue?

This happens on steam, not on my phone

[warm lodge]

There is a bug that temporarily forgets your login after a while. Close the game and restart it to be logged in again. And be sure to save via the crossplatform save (To Cells servers) and not to Google Play.

[chrome isle]

Yo, try to guess what they're gonna add here

[tawdry parrot]

Thank you

You have to press 3 times on an x for some of these ads

[warm lodge]

I'm so happy that I block all ads. They have tracking as well.

[rough axle]

I know exactly what it is but I’m not allowed to say

[chrome isle]

Oh

[tawdry parrot]

You use the pass?

[warm lodge]

However that means that I have to use infinity pass or use darwinium to get the boosts.

[chrome isle]

Its prolly like interstellar space exploration or smth like that

[warm lodge]

Yes, I got a pass. Bought it in Turkey because it is way too expensive in The Netherlands.

[tawdry parrot]

Cheese!

[warm lodge]

I got a year of it in advance.

[tawdry parrot]

How much did that cost?

[warm lodge]

In NL: € 13.99. In Turkey € 2.75

[tawdry parrot]

Were you on vacation or were u naughty 😅 ?

[rough axle]

is that euros

[tawdry parrot]

💶

Didn't know there was an emoji for this

[rough axle]

oh wow thats 3.23 USD

i wodner why its so much cheaper there

i mean i get regional pricing is a thing

[tawdry parrot]

Regional pricing and the lira's value imploding

[rough axle]

but why is turkey is it stupid cheap

[warm lodge]

I got family that visits Turkey regularly. I just pay them and they buy it for my ID in the official shop.

[rough axle]

could you theoretically use a vpn to trick the site into thinking youre in turkey?

[tawdry parrot]

Some of these ads make my game crash 😡

[tawdry parrot]

I don't know but I'd rather pay a fair price for the pass if they removed the darwinium

[warm lodge]

Probably, but you may have trouble using your payment provider then. Especially PayPal does not like if you use their service via VPN because criminals also use VPN

[rough axle]

fair

[warm lodge]

So you may get blocked in the payment phase if you try

Or maybe the Cells shop may also block vpn IP's. Don't know.

It's easier if you have someone in Turkey or a similar country where it is cheaper that you trust to make a payment. Either with your credit card or with their payment. (And yes, you need to fully trust someone to give them your payment info or game ID. ⚠️ I probably don't need to tell you the risk of getting your payment info into the wrong hands ⚠️ )

[tawdry parrot]

The ad cap without upgrades is 24 hours, u can get another hour or two because of the 4 hour interval

[cloud trellis]

I js wanna show yall what it looks like when a articulated bus does a above 90 degree turn

[warm lodge]

#🏠-general

[cloud trellis]

Yea ik but there's more ppl in this channel

[fluid delta]

Nah, just gotta be a little more patient. If you wait a little longer, you generally only need to press once. In Cells ads at least

[tawdry parrot]

Could u screenshot where u can find the perk for the increased ad cap?

[fluid delta]

That doesn’t make it ok to post it here.

[cloud trellis]

Look at general btw

[strange lark]

dont

[fluid delta]

Don’t post vids here

[tawdry parrot]

Some of the ads open up a playstore widget but it makes the game crash for me ;-;

[cloud trellis]

SHUT UP!!!!!¡¡¡¡¡

[fluid delta]

idk about that, that might be Android thing

[tawdry parrot]

My phone is getting old too

[fluid delta]

That doesn’t help, yeah

[tawdry parrot]

But ads used to be less enshittified than this in my experience

[fluid delta]

I think it’s on the right hand side of the tree, I will look when I get up shortly

[fluid delta]

dude, seriously. Not appropriate

[unique wing]

What's your phone model?

[fluid delta]

Some ads are ok, some ads are bad. some are even terrible. And the ones that are crazy long I refuse to let run and force-close out of.

.. well ok the terrible ones I force close too

[unique wing]

There's an ad about a game called "kingshot" appearing a lot, and all of their ads are about how their game has 0 ads, but it could be that they actually have no ads, or they have hundreds of micro transactions with no ads

[acoustic jolt]

I don't think that's C2S's issue exactly, I don't think they have much control over what ads are shown. I bet every ad provider is equally trashy in their "content" library management, both on what goes in and how much control client-users get over what's specifically shown in their apps.

[unique wing]

Google are the ones who have control over the ads

on Android devices

[rough axle]

i thought the game used unity ads

[acoustic jolt]

Ah. I wasn't sure how that was handled.

[tawdry parrot]

Some of them do, and they're the worst

[tawdry parrot]

You're correct although I wasn't blaming CS2 for this

[acoustic jolt]

I misinterpreted that part of it.

[tawdry parrot]

Okay I just got an ad for some AI girlfriend slop app 😭

[acoustic jolt]

And considering Elsagate, and how much softcore there is on YouTube ads.....

[unique wing]

The current ad system gives Google a ton of $$$ and changing it to be higher quality or fair or actually clean would make them less $$$

[tawdry parrot]

I have to fill up 4 bars because the space simulation has 2 bars

[unique wing]

...yeah...

[acoustic jolt]

I trust them as far as I could throw a rack from their data center. Fully loaded.

I canxt even lift that sucker, much less throw it

[acoustic jolt]

🤮 🤮

[unique wing]

dang, that's unfortunate

my main account on YouTube is super curated, basically all ads I've never liked are now not being shown to me and everything on my page is just science/astronomy content

haha, I think I'm getting a bit off topic

I'll stay on-topic now

[fluid delta]

Gotta admit, I use an adblocker on PC, I never see YT ads that aren’t sponsor spots by the creator themselves.

[tawdry parrot]

They gave me an achievement for watching many ads, no problem C2S devs

[tawdry parrot]

There is sponsorblock for that

[acoustic jolt]

Ubo + pihole + revanced
But then there's the TV app.......

[tawdry parrot]

I use brave browser + ublock origin which means no ads and no popups either. Youtube was being aggressive for a while where they'd stall the loading of your video if u had adblock or even block u from using Youtube

They've given up it seems

[tawdry parrot]

Revanced 😄

[fluid delta]

I know, but I can easily manually jump over that where it’s a problematic ad..

[acoustic jolt]

Well, when applicable.

[fluid delta]

You don’t need all that to get it done, but that’s one way, sure

[tawdry parrot]

Done watching ads, time to have fun on the pc again

[fluid delta]

I use Firefox + Noscript + Ublock Origin, + NextDNS, works awesome! And when I want to download a vid, yt-dlp is great for that

[acoustic jolt]

The pi is for a household, ubo is for when I'm not there, and same with revanced.
Especially on phone. Yes I could proxy or VPN, no I don't want to mess with that yet.

[tawdry parrot]

You guys are more advanced than me 😅

But how about this, I use AtlasOS which removes all the bloat from win10/win11

[rough axle]

i have ublock adn thats it

well i have other extensions but thats the only ad-based one

[fluid delta]

NextDNS serves the same purpose as a Pi. Never heard of Revanced, I will look it up.

[tawdry parrot]

Its a patched version of youtube, its amazing

The vanilla youtube app is so trash comparatively, your eyes will burn at night because they don't even offer you true dark mode

[acoustic jolt]

👍

Wrong emoji

[fluid delta]

That’s unwise. If you want debloat, run Windows 10 Pro or Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024, via Massgrave dot dev.

[tawdry parrot]

It works fine for me, originally it didn't get security updates but now it does

That is when the ltt video came out

[fluid delta]

.. good to know. I usually only watch YT on PC within FF where it is a way better experience (or download the vid if I want it for later, like music vids)

[fluid delta]

The problem with a distro like that is you never know what might get slipped into it, and people can’t really check. Oh, and you can strip some stuff out on Windows install via a (text) autounattend.xml file that schneegans dot de can generate for you

[tawdry parrot]

It all takes a bit of extra effort but it's worth it to me in the end. I am a pirate after all

[tawdry parrot]

Well I'll bookmark the massgrave website

[fluid delta]

I never do that as an adult except for Windows itself, bc reasons involving bad behavior on Microsoft’s part. I would gladly pay a reasonable price for a unshi**ified Windows.

[fluid delta]

it’s great! very well known, it’s a bit of an open secret in the tech industry

bookmark schneegans dot de as well.. and I like chris titus’ winutil as well, it’s another open-source powershell script

[tawdry parrot]

I dont speak german

[fluid delta]

You don’t need to, it’s in English

[tawdry parrot]

I found it

[grave roost]

What is the best way to get levels because I'm struggling to get to level 38

[white burrow]

Get it off me

Got it off

That stupid snail

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[fluid delta]

Great! There's 6 nodes in that branch, all give +8 hours, none of them are expensive. Get them all 🙂

[fluid delta]

Not 100% sure how it works at lower levels since since the revamp, but in general: reboot often, buy nodes in Reality Engine when you can, and buy the permanent things that cost Darwinium (and the few that cost logits).

[tawdry parrot]

Do the prices get exponentially higher?

[fluid delta]

@amber canyon at 1d14h in, up to about 50x the knowledge reward from what a quick reboot gives. Time Chamber multipliers are at 11.421x (TC 2) to 9.675 (TC 6), though TC 1 has already reached it's cap of 10x. If this knowledge progression continues (idk have the math skills to say), then maybe a hold of a week or whatever really is the best at all times? Idk.. I'll see I guess!

[fluid delta]

they rose but they aren't bad. highest is 3 B.

[tawdry parrot]

How do I justify the purchase of the pass

[fluid delta]

That's a personal finance thing, we can't answer that for you

[tawdry parrot]

It is the price of a medium take out item

[fluid delta]

Like I said, we can't help you with that. If you are single and clear $100K per year, even 10 subs at $15 each is pocket change. If you clear $20K and have 3 kids as a single parent, it's a whole other thing.

[tawdry parrot]

You are so considerate

[fluid delta]

I try

[tawdry parrot]

Another way to justify it is that I like having an idle game in the background when I do something productive on the PC

[fluid delta]

yeah, I have it running on a 2nd pc with autoclicker active, so 🙂

[amber canyon]

Btw, these are in-game times I take it?

[fluid delta]

Yes.. or rather, I'm reading it off the tooltip, it should be close though

[amber canyon]

Cool. I'be got a bit of time so shall start collating your info on a new (but v similar) spreadsheet.

Also, why is it always the case that cookers break just before they're really needed. Not mine - a mates - but still ... Grr.

[fluid delta]

smiles and nods.. I am very interested to see what results it gives. Even if it ends up being better than reboots in all cases (since this update), I don't regret the days reboot spamming this past week, bc it gave me the nodes to make my progress possible.

[amber canyon]

Oh yeah, there's Def always gonna be a place for reboot spamming I think. I just wonder when / if the fill thing is gonna start biting. Or if they'll remove it. It's def not well communicated (as well as being unevenly implemented).

[amber canyon]

What RL you at now?

[fluid delta]

73.25

[amber canyon]

(I know I could open my game and check, but I'm lazy)

[fluid delta]

heh. I would guess I'll be 74 by the end of next week

[amber canyon]

Huh. I expected it to be higher. Big step changes iin XP reqts then?

[fluid delta]

Yeah.. much more so than before the update. 74 wants 6.86E295!

so yeah, we really NEED Time Chamber 6, heh

[tawdry parrot]

The latest update is about the scientific revolution

But didn't this already exist in the game ages ago? Was it a rework?

[hazy river]

yeah but they add new content.

[rough axle]

Expansion

[fluid delta]

tbf, a rework too. . of Reality Engine

[hazy river]

All the white dots mean they will add stuff there right?

[fluid delta]

yes

[tawdry parrot]

cool

[acoustic jolt]

That was earlier

[fluid delta]

Yes. Ofc you are right, I misread

[acoustic jolt]

You're fine!

[acoustic jolt]

And industrial is up next as they clean up and expand the civ tree

[hazy river]

Is tommorrow the new event?

[acoustic jolt]

Also beyond 29 and releasing mollusks, in some order

[acoustic jolt]

Yep

[hazy river]

Noice

[tawdry parrot]

nice

[thorn trellis]

Guys,one people already played online Cell to singularity?in Google?

If yes is only for computer or is possible play in mobile?

[hazy river]

Jep there is a web browser site.

[thorn trellis]

If I'm not mistaken, the devs said that the Reality Reboot update arrived there too. I wanted to try playing the game from scratch to fully test the new update

[hazy river]

it should be there. The web gets also updated but just like one week after the release of the update on steam.

[thorn trellis]

Wow

[bitter valve]

Hey question for yall. I haven't played in a year. Started at level 50 and now am level 54 what do I do with the little blue upgrade chips

[thorn trellis]

I played in the web in 2022

[thorn trellis]

Upgrade entropy and Idea boost

[hazy river]

They are boosters. Click on the research level and then you can spend them on Entropy Bonus and Idea Bonus. With that you can buy boosters .

[bitter valve]

okay cool, how do I get the other 50 levels worth

or are those lost to the void

[hazy river]

You have 50 chips right?

[bitter valve]

no I only got the chips for the 4 levels I gained after whatever update they did

[rough axle]

I think it automatically invested them for you when your save converted

It says how many you’ve put into each

[hazy river]

Does your bonus things already have levels?

[bitter valve]

oh it says 51 in each

[hazy river]

So everything is fine.

[bitter valve]

nice

is fast rebooting better now

[acoustic jolt]

Eh.

[hazy river]

Nope.

[bitter valve]

noted thanks yall

[acoustic jolt]

Yeah, rn longer runs are better. Things may change as tuning improves

[tawdry parrot]

Prefer this

[acoustic jolt]

Tbh same

[fluid delta]

it's still great.. they did rebalance long runs, I'm seeing MUCH better results, but I'm only about a day and a half in. Instead of maybe 2.5x of a 5 min reboot run, I am seeing 56x so far (this with all 6 time chambers bought).. so I will know for sure within a week if long is now better.

[hazy river]

Okay?

[fluid delta]

(and I should also add that I'm a high level and have a lot of things bought on the RE tree)

[hazy river]

What does high level mean?

[fluid delta]

The point is that before this update, quick reboots (for metabits + knowledge production) was always better. Now it might not be, but we don't know yet.

[fluid delta]

70+

[hazy river]

Ah okay than Im also high level.

[fluid delta]

nodnod.. I think the key bit is that you have all the Time Chamber nodes

For all but TC6, it caps out at just before 9 days. TC6 caps out at a bit before 11 days

[acoustic jolt]

Hmmm

[fluid delta]

So 11 days is probably optimal?

[hazy river]

Time chambers? Im so confused I started playing this game two days ago again and I switched to english so can you please tell me where I find this Time chamber?

[rough axle]

The reality engine upgrades with a clock icon on them

-# I just spelled engine wrong 3 times in a row

[fluid delta]

It's nodes on the Reality Engine tree, it's to the right of the x4 node straight up from Ideas to the right.

And yes, the clock icon 🙂

[hazy river]

Okay thanks.

[placid dust]

Guys,whats anomaly and how to unlock this?

[fluid delta]

Future content

[placid dust]

Oh,so i need to wait for update?

[fluid delta]

yes

[placid dust]

Ok,ty

Btw,can u tell me what is singularity,i mean when i unlocked it,my progress reset,and i unlocked it again but nothing happened,and there is no upgrades to improve it

[fluid delta]

I think it still reboots the Sim the very first time you reach Singularity. It won't the next time. It does that mostly for story reasons.

.. and I suppose to show you that rebooting is a thing

[willow mango]

Seph, I just got the Battery upgrade. Is it really the last one or am I missing something? 😁

[fluid delta]

Which node specifically? I'm blanking on which one you mean

[willow mango]

The Research upgrade following Electricity, gives 3x Scientific Revolution.

[fluid delta]

That's the last one for now, I think, yeah

(more to come in future, of course)

[willow mango]

Alright, sweet! Would you recommend getting Idea tap and Modern Mastery maxed out before going long term idling? 🤩

[tawdry parrot]

I am trying hard to get the second badge before the event ends 😅

[fluid delta]

Modern Mastery, definitely yes (and I did!). Idea Tap XV.. I mean, it's sure nice, but look at the cost.. though you have 1/10 of it already, maybe it's worth it? Still, only a 5% increase, so I decided to skip over it for now. I've been doing long-term idling for the past day and a half, I might revisit after a week, depending on how much knowledge that ends up giving me.

[fluid delta]

You can do it, you have almost 18 hours! Just go in and out of the Event every 5 minutes or so, getting the things each time you go in. It'll pass quickly.

[frigid adder]

I would recommend getting more mm due to the new update

[fluid delta]

Out of curiosity, how long since your last reboot? Not sure I've ever seen a 10000x difference between knowledge earned on a current run and banked knowledge.

[hazy river]

You mean because of the e24 and e20? Maybe he bought something.

[fluid delta]

Yeah, that's kindof my assumption, but mostly I ask bc I'm not sure the magnitude of benefit from idling for, say, a week. I know it will be a lot more than before, but how much more? I am in the process of finding out, myself!

[tawdry parrot]

Is it better to not be inside of the event and autoclicking?

[fluid delta]

Not for Events. They're the exception. You will always want to grab the boost on returning.

[tawdry parrot]

Only because of the boost? I can't grab as I'm on steam

[fluid delta]

Only bc of the boost, yeah. If you are on Steam and don't have Infinity Pass active (or don't pay the 2 DW and you shouldn't), then yeah, stay inside the Event.

[willow mango]

Been running 2d 6h, autoclicking 2 nights while sleeping on ideas exclusively. Would you happen to remember the final Modern Mastery cost? Then I’d just farm those two in current run and go for the long haul.

[hazy river]

The last thing in the event?

[willow mango]

No, it’s a RE upgrade as can be seen in my screenshot further up.

[tawdry parrot]

Are there any public codes available to be redeemed right now?

[fluid delta]

Very interesting!! I'm only a little bit ahead of you (lvl 73) and it makes me hopeful that Graviton Expansion is actually attainable before the next Ideas update 🙂 MM IV cost doubles each increment, so 6x what it shows you now. (2x for #9, 4x for #10)

[hazy river]

Well SIXTOSEVEN GALILEO BIGCUBE 01110010

[tawdry parrot]

six seven? 😭

[hazy river]

[spring dome]

and the entire list on the command here #🎭-semblance message

[hazy river]

Its because they turned 7 years.

[willow mango]

Excellent, not far off then.

[fluid delta]

Yes. They are celebrating their very recent 7th anniversary. I think they did FIVETOSIX a year ago? Not sure.

[fluid delta]

mmhmm!

[tawdry parrot]

thanks everyone

[fluid delta]

yw!

[hazy river]

A little bit of ahead? Its so hard to reach level 73.

[fluid delta]

Heh. Well. I think the changes this update will make it a lot more attainable than it was.

(and Equanimity is lvl 72 as you see)

[tawdry parrot]

these werent in the bot command, are these new?

[fluid delta]

First two are from the recent stream, the rest are older

[tawdry parrot]

All those codes gave me almost 300 darwiniums

What to waste this on? >:D

[fluid delta]

Don't waste it you will NEED IT, lol

[hazy river]

Ah yeah there is also BIGCUBE

[spring dome]

what is this top 10 💀

[left grotto]

64x cost 😭

[fluid delta]

Heh. It is.. going to be a challenge perhaps!

[spring dome]

though i think the scaling of this event is a little weird so once you're at like 9/14 you're 90% the way to the next level

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I suppose that's true. Usually Divs near 200 are pretty easy to get Top 10, but there's more people since the revamp, so I guess you gotta work at it 🙂

[tawdry parrot]

How does that work?

[spring dome]

a certain generator is OP

so past that point its 10 minutes of tapping until you beat the event

[tall mirage]

I mean spam rebooting can't really be beat unfortunately

but they've certainly closed the gap

[fluid delta]

Yeah, idk. I haven't gone idle for long enough to be a proper judge yet.. there will be a point in the next week where it will be superior to go idle only if the rate of increase in knowledge earnings I'm seeing holds up.. and it probably won't.

.. and if it keeps increasing beyond that, it could be the "no brainer" choice, too

[tawdry parrot]

Which one?

Tell me more!

[tall mirage]

Still beats rebooting often, imo only worth to do it rn to get all the chambers

are there 2 time crystals now or 1?

[fluid delta]

||Humans, I'd bet||

[spring dome]

yeah

[tawdry parrot]

This is a bee event

[fluid delta]

6 total

[spring dome]

i am talking about the bee event

[fluid delta]

yes, so?

[tawdry parrot]

U unlock humans?

[tall mirage]

time crystals, so 3 each for metabits and knowledge?

[spring dome]

so the lore is that bees and flowers evolved together for each other
then ||humans came and broke it||

[fluid delta]

There's 6 now for knowledge, I would have to look for the Metabits side

[tall mirage]

I'm talking about time crystals, not time chambers

[thorn trellis]

Bros,get Does anyone know if it's possible to get general buffs in events? From what I saw recently, I got the 1st emblem of the co-evolution event and it said I got a 5% boost in that event

[fluid delta]

... huh. That's a thing. I'd totally spaced on their existence. Anyway, just looked, there's 2 now. For Knowledge

[tall mirage]

2 total or each?

I mean there were always 2 of them (1 metabit, 1 knowledge)

[tawdry parrot]

Spoilers D:

I am 7/13

[spring dome]

dude i put it in spoilers

[fluid delta]

Event badges only affect their own event, except for the general bonus that badges provide in Primary via nodes in the Reality Engine.

[thorn trellis]

Hmmmmmm,good

[tawdry parrot]

What did u expect me to do 🤣 I am gen z!

[tall mirage]

yup badges OP in primary sim progression

[thorn trellis]

Is 5% for all badge?

[fluid delta]

lol being Gen Z doesn't matter in comparison to Millenials or whatever

[fluid delta]

No. 5%, 10% and 15% respectively, within the event. They add each time an Event gets offered

[tawdry parrot]

I want to C2S-max

[thorn trellis]

Soo good

[rough axle]

Cellsmaxxing

[tawdry parrot]

"Just fill the ad bar on Steam" brutal 🥀

[spring dome]

and the general buff would be +1% per badge for knowledge and metabits, and +2% per badge for idea and entropy with every node related to event badges bought

[tawdry parrot]

Second bee badge unlocked 😎

[fluid delta]

There is no general buff anymore, not since the Revamp. There are nodes in RE tree which are based on badges though

[spring dome]

i mean primary simulation buff mb

with all nodes bought

[fluid delta]

Once it drops on mobile on Monday, you can do ads there for that 🙂
(or buy Infinity Pass anytime, ofc)

[tawdry parrot]

I am at 8/13 so am I actually closer to finishing than I realize?

[spring dome]

as long as you continue to play actively, yes

[tawdry parrot]

Also does simulation speed reduce the intervals of nodes or does it actually speed up the time?

[tawdry parrot]

Well I need to fit a good night's sleep in that 16 hours

[fluid delta]

... you have 16 hour days where you live? Nifty!

[tawdry parrot]

I meant the event lasts for another 16 hours

[spring dome]

there isn't exactly an interval to talk about in the primary simulation since generators generate continuously
it just boosts the income

[fluid delta]

oh right. ofc.

[tawdry parrot]

Yes but in the events there are

[spring dome]

then when the upgrade says speed it does reduce the time it takes for the bar to fill up

or do you mean the 2x 4x boost from ads then idk

[tawdry parrot]

This, the badges give simulation speed

[gusty quest]

just a multiplicator of your overall income

when they dont have a bar i mean

or wait

that doesnt make sense

im confused

theres like 3 different ways the effect of badges is specified and they dont line up

[rocky shadow]

Hey guys I’m brand new. What do I spend Darwinium on?

[gusty quest]

one menu says it increases production speed, the other production increase, the other simulation speed, but if im not mistaken they actually increase payout instead??

[spring dome]

modules > augments > upgrades

you can get some of the first upgrades but probably not above 5-10 levels

[cold vigil]

so update today?

my run on cells is almost done guyse

all i have left to buy are logits and dawrinium nodes

truly this has been a journey

(i have lvl 8 beyond)

[tawdry parrot]

baby bees, so cute ^_^

[gray yew]

Baybees

[rough axle]

we're full of bees

[acoustic jolt]

Ahhhh good luck!!

[acoustic jolt]

?

[tawdry parrot]

The flower and bee side of the tree are gonna merge together 😮

What does 'more efficient' mean for a node?

[rough axle]

more power

say something makes 5/sec

x5 more efficent means it makes 5*5/sec

or 25

[tawdry parrot]

Oh all of them say efficient, I am blind

[gray yew]

Eventually. Then comes the most horrifying thing of all.

||Humans.||

[sand goblet]

loving this christmas event, so far I have gotten 4 darwinium cubes, 2 logits, and a partridge in a pear tree

(actually I just don't remember what day 1 was but I thought I'd make the joke)

[rough axle]

2

[tawdry parrot]

||This is so pretty||

[sand goblet]

oh, but I also got darwinium cubes day 3, that isn't very twelve days of christmas at all

at least it ruins the song

[tawdry parrot]

The bee event is so sad because in real life it's going poorly with the bees D:

[rough axle]

oh dont worry it gets there

[tawdry parrot]

Were humans the OP node that they were talking about?

[gray yew]

Kinda
Maybe
Also plz spoiler that image

[tawdry parrot]

Idk how to edit an image to have a spoiler

want me to repost?

[gray yew]

I can try to tell you how to

(You may need to repost)

[white egret]

you have to add _SPOILER to the end of the image name im pretty sure

or maybe discord has an edit for that idk

[mellow carbon]

I think you're being misled by the purchase recommendation. Buy the cheaper stuff; especially knowledge compressor. It has a huge effect on how quickly you accumulate knowledge.

[inner tapir]

@fluid delta rememer my situation from yesterday? yeah, nothing to worry about anymore lmao

i'm now acquiring knowledge at a frighteningly fast rate, lol. i guess it just needed time. curious to see what things look like tomorrow 😄

[fluid delta]

heh great!!

[rapid falcon]

hello

[fluid delta]

hi!

[inner tapir]

This still sort of concerns me though

Like have I really just not accumulated enough to even show the slightest sliver of blue?

[white egret]

this is actually a bug im pretty sure

[inner tapir]

damn. i'm so seldom affected by bugs i don't know how to feel D:

[fluid delta]

I mean, that makes sense, your XP income is 6.31E250, you need E263 to fill the bar. My question is, should your XP income be higher based on the RE nodes you have?

[white egret]

the tldr is that because lvl 70 is broken theres division by 0

[inner tapir]

that sounds concerning enough to hush my worries

alright. we'll let it roll

only upgrade i have available is electricity for 6.49MMM

[fluid delta]

no I mean in the RE, not Primary

[inner tapir]

i know

but i'm saying that my current income of 100JJJ/S is going to take ages for it to fill 6.49MMM

but with the passing of time, we know how it increases