💬-cells-chat

[safe pollen]

Ill try it though in case it works

[fluid delta]

but, I would tend to think clicking on your google play backup, that button with your name there, would do it.. and if that gets you to the first image you shared, then maybe you need to instead exit the game and go into the google play area of your phone? Not sure, I don't use Android, so kinda blind here

[safe pollen]

Yeah, creating an account only has me uploading my new file.

[safe pollen]

Naw, Android normally has it where it pops up an option to restore your old file when you log into your play account through the game itself

[fluid delta]

hmm... then idk. Like, maybe version changes in google play or something could be relevant. How far did you get in Cells before?

If not far then maybe just go with what you have now, make a CL save, upload the save etc.

[sinful delta]

Are you sure you got Google play games

[safe pollen]

Its been ages, but significantly far.

[sinful delta]

https://tenor.com/view/google-play-google-play-games-gif-22249656

[safe pollen]

Yes, it comes pre-installed on android.

[sinful delta]

Hm

Weird

Try accessing the game through that app

[safe pollen]

Nada.

I don't remember much, but I remember I made it to Mars, terraforming, superhumans, etc.

[fluid delta]

Hmm.. well, it's sounding like you might need to restart (ie: play with what you have now).. since I think you've tried everything? I don't even know if saves from 5 years back are still compatible.. maybe that's why it's not working? Idk

There's certainly been game changes since then

anyway, that's all i got

[safe pollen]

I may need to, though I'll admit it'd be a bit annoying with how far I was. I'll try sending an email to the email given unde App Support first, see if there is another way. Thank you guys.

[fluid delta]

yw! sorry i couldn't solve it for you

[proud berry]

From what I’ve seen, no one has ever had their save successfully transferred by the Google Play backup alone.

[safe pollen]

This is going to sound harsh, and I do like the game, but it sounds like kinda poor coding since it's worked in every other game I've used it on (unless they don't support Save backup).

[sinful delta]

yeah

from what you’ve seen

I did it before

[fluid delta]

Your best bet might be to contact Computer Lunch's tech support.. maybe there's something that's been overlooked

[safe pollen]

Yeah, that's what I'm going to do.

[amber canyon]

Just to clarify - from the dev diary - it looks like it's research level 50 in the reboot for the legacy protocol. The current game prerequisite is Martian city.

If you deffo want it, you can ||use a strat||. It's ||go to the spinning globe view in primary, wait for the 30x asteroid to appear, activate nanobots (and click if you want), activate the asteroid, repeat||. ||To get the asteroid back quicker, quickly visit meso and come back||. Takes a lot of active playing, but letting ya know.

Ithink - by the time you get to the metabits you need for ||Neutrino Expansion||, your production will be ||~4e9 per second / just under half what you currently have||.

[tall mirage]

Yea makes sense, I did consider clicking the asteroids, but I calculated I need 1660 asteroids to finish last node so was being lazy

Btw what is that thing shopping cart button that appears when u click the nanobot

[amber canyon]

It's called something like ||nanobot buyer|| in the reality engine. It means that instead of just collecting stuff, the nanobots ||buy stuff for you (if you click twice when you activate them||. It's annoying, I don't like it and wish I'd never bought it.

[tall mirage]

😂 so it automatically buys stuff what's the pt of it

[amber canyon]

To buy the wrong thing? To buy things when you were trying to save up? To get rid of any nice round numbers you'd got your generators to?

Some people find it helpful for one of the ||hidden / secret achievements||: the ||super speedy achievement||.

[tall mirage]

the under 3min one? Ehh

[boreal forge]

How many badges in a specific event would it take to reach 300% boost?

[gray yew]

I’d say…a lot?

Oop sorry was looking at wrong line

So at least 40

[strange wing]

I guess it's about 43. As i looked at the line i see 301 is somewhere between 40 and 45

[gray yew]

Should be that, yes.

[elder elbow]

You can get under 1:30 in less time just clicking xd

[true vigil]

something changed in the badge boosts?

[tall mirage]

Lol

[true vigil]

or is this something else

[elder elbow]

Honestly the alpha is way harder progression wise. But i think its because they had to balance everything relative to the new boosts

[gray yew]

Apparently it did at some point, but I took a very long hiatus so I wouldn’t’ve noticed.

[elder elbow]

Aint max 200

[tall mirage]

Do we know where we will start in the new reality engine if you have everything in the old one?

[elder elbow]

I mean where we left off u will just have all ur currency converted over

[tall mirage]

I mean like how much has the game expanded, like do we have double the no.of nodes compared to previously and will 50% of the nodes be automatically active/achieved owing to progress in the old one

[elder elbow]

There is a ton more nodes in the alpha so all ur current uogrades will be translated to those nodes

Pretty sure thats how it worked when i transfered my save over

[tall mirage]

Aight ty

[elder elbow]

Yw

[fluid delta]

Yes, though anyone at research level 50 will have completed Primary many times over

[weak tulip]

Hello... how the heck to I get the nodes to the left of sponge/jelly?

[latent moat]

Buy mushroom

[weak tulip]

oh the fungi thing? for the orange cubes?

i see

[strange lark]

and the thing next the jellyfish is the giant squid which you can also buy with logits

[fluid delta]

Has anyone here personally played Cells in iPadOS 26 (beta) yet? Release is coming in less than a week and I want to make sure that upgrading my OS won’t prevent me from playing the game

[proud berry]

It runs fine on iOS 26, but I do not know if the same is the case for iPadOS 26.

[amber canyon]

Research Level is an alpha (reality reboot) thing. Not a current cells thing, and def not the number you see in that player summary in current cells.

I can neither confirm nor Players will have completed primary at research level 50.

[fluid delta]

Whatever name it’s called by, Research Level, Account Level, it’s all the same number.. and idk what it’s officially called now, in-game it doesn’t tell you, or at least it’s not telling me now. Either way, it’s what’s used to determine if you can do Legacy Protocol at 50, from what #📓-dev-diary shows

[amber canyon]

Ah, that's what I'm trying to say. It's not the same number.

To do the ||legacy|| thing - as per dev diary you need to port over a file with progress in current cells (||Martian cities nodes||) and then progress in the reality reboot cells (||Research level 50||).

Which isn't the same as having the whatever its called at ||level 50|| in current cells. By which point, players will have all the ||Martian cities|| any sane person could want 😁.

Anyway. Prob enough alpha for here - even though it's info from the dev diary ...

Unless you want to support my suggestion for the reality reboot regarding ||the nanobot buyer|| - || https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1416462355428147291 ||

[fluid delta]

Hmm, either one or both of us is confused, maybe it’s me, and maybe I’m not expressing what I’m trying to say, properly. I do see on Primary (current release) that there are nodes connected to the Martial City generator. I presume that that’s what the #📓-dev-diary is referring to when it says that all nodes need to be completed.. and they would be, for anyone that fully completes Primary… likely they’ll have rebooted it several times and redone it fully as I have, by the time I reached Account Level 50. Now, my impression (which may be wrong, and I may be misremembering) is that when the revamp happens, all players’ existing progress in Reality Engine will be ported over to the new system. So.. I don’t think I’m wrong that those who have reached 50 in the existing system and have also fully done Primary, will be able to invoke Legacy Protocol once Revamp arrives.. indeed, that’s the whole point of it: to let experienced players play through the Revamp and it’s new way of doing things, fresh, from the beginning. Am I right?

(or am I totally wrong, and am just 100% confused/mistaken at this point. If so, then I guess I will need for Revamp to arrive to understand)

[amber canyon]

They will be able to IF they had unlocked the ||Martian cities nodes|| before porting over and THEN getting to this new-fangled ||Research Level 50||

You don't just get to port over and straight away invoke it.

And your current Account Level is irrelevant, I think. It doesn't need to be level 50.

I just nanobot-bought again. FFS.

[fluid delta]

Let me ask you this then: Have you, yourself, played in the Beta, and coming into that, had Account level 50, and tried to access Legacy Protocol? What did your account level turn into when you entered Beta?

Part of my confusion is this statement from the dev-diary: "Any player who has reached Research Level 50 can now unlock a new feature: Legacy Protocol. Activating the Legacy Protocol will completely reset a player’s Primary Simulation and Reality Engine progress. This feature can only be activated once and is designed for those who want a fresh start following the Reality Reboot release." (emphasis mine).

I don't see where that last sentence makes any sense, if you can't just install the new version and immediately trigger LP, since if you didn't, you wouldn't (by definition) be getting a fresh start.

It's also not helping that I can't seem to find (in game or on the wiki) a definition of what the number associated with your profile is actually called. If you click/tap on it, it pops up a window called "Simulation Score", which is talking about the value beside the number.. indeed, I assume that the "level" is a translation of sorts of whatever sumulation score you have. Is that the "Research Level"? Seems like it ought to be to me, but I don't actually know.

[noble dune]

yo what hunt for what secret achievement

[fluid delta]

The #📓-dev-diary says that if you have reached Research Level 50, and done all the nodes connected to Martian City on Primary, that you can activate Legacy Protocol... or that's how I read it.

(it's not secret though)

[noble dune]

same topic right?

[mild furnace]

the one on sponge is fungi and the one for jelly is giant squid

[amber canyon]

But it's not any player - so that's para starts wrong (it contradicts the Martian city node info just below it).

You would be getting a fresh start: just after you got to RL 50. Which ... Might be quick ... With a strong game to port over.

I'm not at RL 50 in my current (from scratch) alpha play through. ||Legacy protocol|| is currently showing as locked. FWIW.

I haven't ported over. I could try though. I'm worried I'd get bored of the new version before it comes out though ...

Anyway: my current cells game has 'Account Level' 53, but doesn't have any Martian cities unlocked (I'm running a very lean tree atm). I wonder if that would prevent me using ||legacy protocol||. Others porting over might hit the same issue - if for example they rebooted to cash in their metabits before the port.

I might have to finagle something ...

[amber canyon]

Someone was asking about a hidden / secret achievement. They thought they couldn't get it.

[fluid delta]

Ah ok.. hmm.. I guess we'll both see when the time comes. I'm at Account Level 53 as well. I have plenty of Metabits unspent (I have all nodes), if it does require us to buy nodes before we activate LP, I may be good to go.

[amber canyon]

How easy/quick it'll be will depend on how many metabits you have and the conversion rate that the Devs settle on I guess 🤷.

I suspect both of us will have it easier than most though. Except for any players who were around for the hyper-inflation-gate thingy (something a few years ago to do with giant squid I believe). We're both well past end game after all 😁.

[fluid delta]

Indeed 😄

CL4 on Money.. first time I've reached that high!

[weak tulip]

what does the 1 mean?

[fluid delta]

It's telling you have something ready to grab.. but I forget, I'm spacing on the actual answer atm

[weak tulip]

something in reality simulation?

the upgrades there?

[fluid delta]

Maybe. Possibly in Reality Engine itself, there's a node you can buy. Probably that.

[weak tulip]

yeah that would make sense. I don't wanna check there now as this thing has the tendency to bug out and i can't get back without resetting

[fluid delta]

it would also make sense why I haven't seen it in ages, bc I have all nodes bought in there

[arctic hazel]

How can I get reality reboot?

[weak tulip]

yeah i only need a few more things. two more reset should do it

[fluid delta]

You click/tap on that dice icon Jedao shared

[arctic hazel]

I tried but it didn't worked

[weak tulip]

then primary is pretty much done, though i still need therank 15 and rank 23 locks from mezonic. and ofc the logics stuff, which will take weeks ai guess

[fluid delta]

that goes into reality engine. select new nodes, then reboot sim button at the bottom (confirm yes)

[weak tulip]

you can also click on reality engine neer the bottom of the tree

[fluid delta]

yes, you will want to max out Meso (550 levels total), and Beyond (28 total), and events/badges (unlimited, you can get 6/week doing events)

[weak tulip]

550 mezo levels? omg lol

does it unlock more stuff in primary after level 23?

[fluid delta]

heh yes. It repeats at lvl 50 as "prestige levels", of which there are 10

[weak tulip]

ah ok

[fluid delta]

i don't remember, sorry

[weak tulip]

i don't see any thing beyond the level 23 thing. which is a bird i suppose

[arctic hazel]

I mean this

[fluid delta]

oh THAT. That is the Reality Revamp/Reboot etc that is happening this Fall.. probably next month

If you want to know more, check out #📓-dev-diary

[arctic hazel]

bc my friend got it

[fluid delta]

Basically, it's a redesign of that part of the game

[arctic hazel]

oh

[fluid delta]

No they didn't. It is playable in beta/alpha though.

[arctic hazel]

Ohh so he did that

ty

[fluid delta]

must have yeah

ofc beta/alpha may have bugs, may see changes. if you want the "official" version that's stable, wait for release

[arctic hazel]

ok

[weak tulip]

one thing this game proves is that cats rule!

[lofty galleon]

Unironically Money Event is OP with those lever bonus thingies

[weak tulip]

lever bonus?

[amber canyon]

Look in the garden (where the 3D models are,rather than the tech tree). Enjoy!

[weak tulip]

huh?

[amber canyon]

You know how in the main Sims, you can go to the view with animals/people/planets in 3D? They're called gardens. There's one for the money event. Box on the right hand side of the gui.

[weak tulip]

you mean this?

[amber canyon]

Like that. But when you're in the money event.

[weak tulip]

oh i see

but it gives the same amount as clicking in the tree

[amber canyon]

Have you filled anything up and pulled a lever?

[weak tulip]

uhh i see

i need to fill up all these before i can withdraw?

[amber canyon]

So, every time you fill one of the things up you can pull the lever for a bonus 'click'. And when you fill all 5 of those bars you've screenshotted there's a prize.

[weak tulip]

i see thx, i didn't know that was a thing heh

[amber canyon]

Most gardens aren't this interactive. Always worth checking though. For the events that have gardens anyway.

[weak tulip]

uhm

so i filled the whole thing up... withdrew it and nothing happened?

now it says depleted there

[proud berry]

Your Darwinium balance went up by 10.

[weak tulip]

the cubes?

[amber canyon]

The whole of this? You didn't get ||some Darwinium||?

[weak tulip]

oh right

i see, thx

i rather stay in the main view though to hopefully keep my top 25 spot

it's on cooldown now anyway though

[amber canyon]

Up to you. You only get the prize once per event.

Generally no need to click though (after the first 5-15 mins anyway). Closing the game and reopening it for the double boost is usually as good. Assuming you have ads.

[weak tulip]

ads?

[amber canyon]

Are you playing on Steam?

[weak tulip]

yeah

[amber canyon]

Ah, nvm.

[weak tulip]

but i bought the 30 day pass

so i get double rewards for offline generation

[amber canyon]

... What does the pass get you on steam?

[weak tulip]

but autoclicker and active is probably still a lot better

[amber canyon]

Ah, 'K.

[weak tulip]

boosts are free.. and some other perks

[amber canyon]

Best is to just open up the event as often as you can and grab upgrades. Cos of the exponential growth thing

[weak tulip]

i just hope i can retain top 25

[amber canyon]

It def gets easier as you collect more badges from events. Especially for events - like this one - where some people can have a lot of badges. Even though the boost tails off after a bit, it's still an advantage to have it.

And the general consensus is to start after the first 24h (assuming you'll still be able to get all the badges) to avoid people who try very hard.

[fluid delta]

is admitting I am trying very hard for this event. What Division are you all on? Probably you aren’t in the same one (I started day 1), but maybe?

[weak tulip]

there are divisions?

[fluid delta]

Heh, I hope you don’t feel bad, I didn’t know it was a thing either, and I’ve been playing this game for a year and a half!

[weak tulip]

i just started 2 days ago heh

[amber canyon]

You. Being a 💜try hard💜?

I've not started. This event took me just under 5h last time so I'll probably start Sunday evening (~18h before it ends).

[fluid delta]

Yes. If you click on your rank for the event, it’ll tell you in there. Each division is 1000 people (usually)

[woven agate]

Is there anyway for me to show my game id to get sum role or is that not a thing here

[fluid delta]

Think of it as a channel

[woven agate]

Cuz I'm at like 50% completion

[weak tulip]

i see only this

[fluid delta]

lol ikr! I can’t usually be bothered

[amber canyon]

https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/496430259114082304

[fluid delta]

Yes, see, you are in division 12, it says it right there

[woven agate]

Is that just to flex or does it serve a purpose

[weak tulip]

oh there, sorry i'm blind lol

[amber canyon]

Div 12! You started very early! I think div 11 is the first one.

[fluid delta]

No real purpose other than it shows progress if someone clicks on your icon here

[weak tulip]

i started the game 30 minutes before the event started... (played 30m of themath thing which obv didn't do anything, but it's still 5 cubes at least)

[woven agate]

Wow you're at 100% looking at your roles

[weak tulip]

lucky timing i guess

[fluid delta]

yep!

[woven agate]

There posted my stats

[weak tulip]

yeah there's no way i can get top 10... had 0 badges

[woven agate]

Thanks chat

[amber canyon]

Can't remember where the list of roles and reqts is ...

[fluid delta]

i think it takes a little time for the bot in the channel to see it? not sure

you are doing well

[amber canyon]

The bot broke didn't it? I think it's Sampe that goes through and does it.

[woven agate]

Yup, the radhak guy seems to just have gotten aired

[fluid delta]

idk. i am not sure how the discord admin is handled

[amber canyon]

Yeah, they do the little green tick things. To keep track.

[amber canyon]

I started getting a chance at top 10 when I had maybe 2 sets of badges. Usually starting on the last day and playing actively.

Steam players often struggle cos no ads, but you've got the pass.

Anyway. Make sure you get the badges, that's the key thing. Apart from enjoying it.

[amber canyon]

Not bad!

[weak tulip]

as far as idle/incremental games go, this is definitely the best so far

and i looked at a lot

[sinful delta]

I agree

It has so much effort put into it

and it’s educational too

[weak tulip]

and the events keep it interesting

[amber canyon]

I agree! I like how we're building / advancing; not destroying. And the info is great. Not to mention how pretty Beyond is 😁.

[sinful delta]

I think some other idle games do that too but from what I’ve seen cells executes it the best

[weak tulip]

yeah beyond is actually my favorite

[amber canyon]

I wonder if they'll stop creating events at some point. Or retire the old ones. There's quite a few now...

[weak tulip]

i just hate things that aren't automated. fortunately autoclicker helps

[amber canyon]

Tbh I think I ignored generators until I got them automated. Clicking is not fun imo.

[weak tulip]

too good to ignore

quadruples output heh

and this one is a drag

[weak tulip]

yeah hence autoclicker. put that on and watch yt on second screen heh

actually it sixtuples output

[amber canyon]

I decided to usually. just push the top generator rather than focus on Missions imo. Missions usually get easy (negligible cost) if you do that. As long as you keep an eye on when a mission might unlock a new generator.

I sound like a proper capitalist - just maximise the income...

[tall mirage]

@amber canyon any other way to get the asteroid to appear apart from switching sims

[weak tulip]

yeah i upgraded the top earners as much as i could, now the upgrade is over the price for the missions

[amber canyon]

I think switching Sims to Meso and bsck is the quickest way.

Vague recollection of something like:

• on opening primary it'll appear in 30-60s
• after that it'll appear every 3-4mins

Some RNG in it.

There was a post about it ... Somewhere.

[weak tulip]

really can't ignore triton here, hopefully i get the automation soon. i hope for the next level up

[tall mirage]

Yea it's not just meso, I noticed that exploration/beyond is same time too

[amber canyon]

Oh! The golden asteroid. I thought you meant the 30x one 🤦.

I think it's similar for golden wotsits.

[tall mirage]

Nah I mean the 30x one only

[gray yew]

I still seriously cannot understand how you guys can complete an event in hours.
Like, I'm not even done with the event yet (for fuck's sake, I haven't even reached ||Future Money|| yet), and I started the event two seconds after it began.
My only guess is that it involves Darwinium. A LOT of Darwinium.

[fluid delta]

I do that too. “fortunately”, the next scheduled event (Bees) has lots of them

[weak tulip]

"complete an event"? what does it mean, don't the challenge modes just continue?

[gray yew]

I mean get the final badge and that.

[sinful delta]

does involve Darwinium

[gray yew]

That's what I consider completion, at least.

[weak tulip]

ah ok

[amber canyon]

There might be info in the Semblance channel under / help. Isn't working for me atm, but my internet is flakey today.

[fluid delta]

Oh, it’s straightforward: we’ve done the events already several times (so have a high bonus) AND we have 4x ad boost AND we play often (every 15 min or so). NO darwinium needed at all.

[sinful delta]

I misread the I as /

[weak tulip]

so it's better to start in a late division?

[amber canyon]

Exactly what I do ...

[weak tulip]

i needed 2 days to get into top 25 tho

[gray yew]

So...IOS benefits?

[sinful delta]

Yeah

[gray yew]

easy mistake to make dw

[sinful delta]

[gray yew]

Suddenly I desire to do IOS. Like, this is where I'm at right now.

[fluid delta]

yes, assuming you have enough badges already so you can complete the event. i wouldn’t try this on a brand new event, for instance… well ok I might try but not expect top 10

[fluid delta]

Apple or Android, yes

[amber canyon]

And Android!

(Assuming you consider 'watching' a f*ck load of ads a benefit ...)

[tall mirage]

huh, I was saying to get the 30x asteroid to appear, switching to any sim works (meso/beyond/exploration), it doesn't have to be meso

[gray yew]

Sigh...

[weak tulip]

ah i see, cause i had no badges, it took me 2+ days to get through the tree twice?

[sinful delta]

windows is the worst platform to play cells on

[fluid delta]

yes, probably so

[sinful delta]

you don’t get all the mobile benefits

[gray yew]

Honestly, Steam seems to suck. The IOS/Android/Whatever players seem to get all the luck/benefits.
/nbh

[sinful delta]

what does nbh mean

[fluid delta]

I figured. You’re smart and experienced, as am I 🙂

[amber canyon]

Yeah, but Meso is usually the quickest to load up. Especially compared to Beyond. For me anyway.

[gray yew]

Nobody here. It means my comment wasn't directed at anybody here.
(Please just read the guide in my profile.)

[weak tulip]

but on steam we have autoclickers :x

[tall mirage]

ah I do it with exploration, this way I can watch ad, get 2x and maybe get an upgrade

[fluid delta]

Yes, don’t play on web/steam, there’s little point. The game is made for mobile and is “perfect” on a tablet

[gray yew]

I don't. Haven't installed one, and I don't wanna.

[gray yew]

Well, it's just great to be me, then!
/sar
/nbh

[weak tulip]

for certain things it's very helpful, i don't run it all the time. But for the "Titan Situation" for instance it is literally a 6x boost

[sinful delta]

sar isn’t in that guide

[fluid delta]

You could get an ipad mini..

[sinful delta]

is it long form slang of sarcastic

[gray yew]

It's meant to be /s, or sarcastic.
I think I just accidentally changed it one day and kept going.

[gray yew]

I have an Ipad. But no installing yet.

[weak tulip]

i wouldn't wanna play on mobile. and specifically i don't wanna see ads heh

[amber canyon]

Don't you get. ... Trading cards...? Or something?

[gray yew]

I forgot about those, and also I don't care.

[weak tulip]

everyone has its own preference i suppose

steam trading cards are the most useless invention ever

[amber canyon]

And lazy 🙂

[fluid delta]

why not?

[gray yew]

Because I don't wanna. Yet.

[fluid delta]

you don’t have to watch ads if you don’t want to. mobile includes tablets, it’s awesome on a iPad

[gray yew]

Might as well give in and do IOS at this stage...

[weak tulip]

i'm happy with the steam version tbh

[fluid delta]

Suit yourself! But no complaining about not getting the 4x ad boost then!

[gray yew]

Me too...I think.

[gray yew]

Too late.
/lh

[fluid delta]

lol

[weak tulip]

i don't care to be in top 10 for events really. will see how it goes with more badges and active autoclicker etc

i mean i just started 2 days ago. i was honestly suprised to get into top 25

[gray yew]

They really need to give those boosts and that for Steam players.

[fluid delta]

Top 10 gives you the free Black Hole (for beyond, normally costs 100 DW) and the equivalent Meso one. That’s a sweet deal

[amber canyon]

Each to our own! I play on my phone. Mainly cos I have it on me, and surreptitiously getting my tablet at out work ... Well wouldn't be surreptitious 😬.

[weak tulip]

yeah will see how it goes once i have progressed more

[gray yew]

Also, how does starting an event late mean you can complete it faster? Wouldn't you complete the event at the same speed anyway?

[fluid delta]

I don’t see the point of playing on Steam, when on PC there’s so many good games you could be playing there instead

[gray yew]

(I mean getting the final badge, not getting a high division.)

[weak tulip]

great when watching videos or just to run in the background most of the time

i don't game much really

that's why i like idle games heh

[fluid delta]

You don’t complete it faster on a late Div, you are just more likely to get Top 10/25

[weak tulip]

how come?

[gray yew]

I know, but you mentioned that starting late helped you finish the event faster.

[gray yew]

You compete against stragglers when starting late, which isn't so hard.

[fluid delta]

Yes but see you can do that with a tablet while watching something fullscreen on PC (and I do)!

[weak tulip]

well but if the meta is to start late, wouldn't the best players start late (by best i mean those maxed out)

[fluid delta]

either you misread me or i mistyped then

[gray yew]

You said it here.

[amber canyon]

Soz if I mispoke. I always intend to get the badges. But if I can start late I can maximise my effort relative to other players in my division, while minimising my total effort.

Like trying not starting just before I go to bed...

[fluid delta]

we do! but most won’t bother

[weak tulip]

ah, fair enough

[gray yew]

So starting late doesn't help you finish the event faster?

[fluid delta]

you are right. my bad. i will edit.

[gray yew]

k thx

[fluid delta]

ok fixed

sorry about that

[fluid delta]

yes, this. i do the same thing most of the time

[amber canyon]

Sadly, with my new job, my Mondays are busier than they used to be. So I have to get some time in Sun evening, rather than starting on Mon.

... First world problems ... Tiny violin ...

[gray yew]

I guess ol’ Ketmay’s gonna have to do it the old-fashioned way…with Darwinium.

(I also realised I’m one of the oldest players. That’s a flex, I guess.)

[weak tulip]

are you? hmm.

[fluid delta]

heh. your new job lets you pay for infinity pass if you want though?

[gray yew]

The game released December 2018, I started playing February 2019.

[amber canyon]

I guess though. Technically ... If I know I've only got a short time to finish an event I do finish them quicker. Because I'm more focussed.

[weak tulip]

oh, old in that sense heh

[fluid delta]

i’m relatively new, but i’ve not had breaks playing the game

now if you mean personal RL age, i have no idea how old you are, so.. 🙂

[gray yew]

Me neither
(And I wasn’t referring to IRL age)

[amber canyon]

Lol. When the reboot comes.

While I know that it would be a better use of my time that ads ... I can't bring myself to do an ongoing monthly subscription...

[fluid delta]

yeah i think i will reup for one month then. nice excuse

[weak tulip]

and instantly it takes over 98% of the production

finally no more clicking needed

[gray yew]

Nice job!
/gen /pos

Tho spoilers plz

[weak tulip]

ohh right, sorry

[amber canyon]

Dang, I was just selecting an emoji for that!

[weak tulip]

i mean it didn't even spoil anything tbh

[fluid delta]

what an autoclicker does is hardly a spoiler

[weak tulip]

huh?

what does the autoclicker have to do with it?

it was a shot of the automate triton thingy

[amber canyon]

Distraction? About what was there. Like saying 'don't look at the duck' when you're sneakily eating someone's chocolate bar.

[weak tulip]

i'm lost

[amber canyon]

Don't worry, I was just feeling whimsical.

[weak tulip]

i showed the card that automates triton. which shouldn't be a spoiler because every celestial body has that card

[amber canyon]

Yup. And then you deleted it. To avoid spoilers.

And I thought that it'd be funny if Sepheria's comment was a big brain move and was intended to mislead people about what was there before you deleted it.

[weak tulip]

i guess the production ratio was a spoiler, but only kinda. i mean, there's always that one beast in every sim stage that does basically all for you

what part of it was a spoiler?

that neptune has a moon? heh

[amber canyon]

Episode ||28|| would like to disagree with you...

[weak tulip]

(actually more than one)

[fluid delta]

heh no, i was making food, missed it

[amber canyon]

Some people liked to discover what's coming up themselves. In terms of what the Devs have put in the game.

Speaking which, why aren't ||Phobos and Deimos|| in 🙁.

[weak tulip]

how does spoilers work again?

backticks or something?

[amber canyon]

A pair of little vertical bars for me. Or. clicking on a picture and selecting 'mark as spoiler' before you make the post. [android]

[fluid delta]

it’s using Markdown, or a subset of it

[weak tulip]

nvm figured it out. ||Phobos is in though? Just as a cost reduction though, which is kinda fair cause it's tiny. Deimos is absent though, kinda sad. I guess it's too small :D||

[fluid delta]

I mean, where do you stop? jupiter and the other 3 major planets have a LOT of moons

[weak tulip]

but i don't see how stuff like this is a spoiler? I mean... I don't wouldn't expect people to learn about planets and moons in our solar system for the first time through this game

[fluid delta]

agreed

[weak tulip]

yeah but jupiter/saturn have like a gazillion moons

mars only has these 2 bodies

[fluid delta]

for now

[weak tulip]

to have the gallilean moons for jupiter is a sensible choice

but yeah, i guess... more moons can always be added

[amber canyon]

I was meaning as generators. But yeah, there's a lot of rocks floating around out there.

They're cute in the Beyond garden, though.

I guess I read a lot of SF and they're pretty common in the near-future hard SF stuff.

[weak tulip]

and game crashed again lol

hello task manager, old frind

[fluid delta]

indeed! i have too

[weak tulip]

i only read SF, can't get enough of (good) SF

[fluid delta]

hmm, that shouldn’t be happening

[weak tulip]

happens a lot with the steam version tbh

fortunately, progress isn't lost

[fluid delta]

favorite Science Fiction authors?

[weak tulip]

also various softlocks

[fluid delta]

huh. odd. it’s solid on iPad

[weak tulip]

Hmmm, there are a few

Asimov gotta be #1

[amber canyon]

Hard SF? Prob Greg Egan atm. Certainly for stuff I re-read.

You?

[fluid delta]

Cherryh. Forward. There’s others where there’s some overlap with Fantasy, like Chalker’s Well World series.

[amber canyon]

I read so much Asimov as a kid! Still got a couple shelves of his books.

[fluid delta]

There’s others I like, that’s just a few

[amber canyon]

I love the Well World books.

Such a fascinating idea! But always feel ... Sorry(?) for Mavra Chang.

[fluid delta]

heh yes, i do too

[amber canyon]

I suspect she wouldn't want us feeling sorry for her though 😐

[fluid delta]

indeed!

if you like exopolitics, Cherryh’s Foreigner series (still ongoing) and Chanur series (4 books) are fantastic

[amber canyon]

I've tried a few Cherryh books. For some reason they're not in my favourites. I'd expect them to be, given what people say about them. I like them though ... Just not favourites.

[fluid delta]

Fair enough

Ringworld was great

(niven is still around, pournelle isn’t)

[amber canyon]

I did like the Auxillary Justice series by Leckie. They're up there. And ... Mmm ... Iain M Banks.

Yup, Niven is great. Love megastructures and science (hence the Greg Egan). The Moties were - and still are - cool books!

[fluid delta]

yes! them. Both excellent. I really need to finish the Culture series

yep, yep!

[sinful delta]

Big chungus

[amber canyon]

I occasionally drop 'On the third hand' into conversations irl. No one's reacted yet. One day someone will!

[fluid delta]

heh.. i’ve gotten a reaction to that before. also when i wear my N7 hoodie

[sinful delta]

you don’t need 3 hands

[fluid delta]

sometimes you do

[amber canyon]

Ya do if you're a Motie 😁.

N7? Did I forget that one?

[weak tulip]

GRRRR. The friggin singularity times me out because I mentioned Philip K. ....

[fluid delta]

Mass Effect series!

I assume you’ve played it?

[sinful delta]

Phillip Kennedy?

[weak tulip]

One of my favorite rather recent SF books is by Adrian Tchaikovsky

[fluid delta]

Heh. No. D..k

[weak tulip]

Children of Time

Awesome book

[amber canyon]

Nope. Don't have a PC to game on. I mainly only game on mobile. I do have a switch gathering dust ...

[fluid delta]

yes Children of Time is good

[weak tulip]

there are two more books which are allright but not as good

Andy Weir is great too

[amber canyon]

I loved Children of Time too. Tchaikovsky was it? And Portia?

[weak tulip]

Then there's Gibson ofc

Also Neal Stephenson

[amber canyon]

I was wondering if Stephenson counted as SF these days, lol.

[fluid delta]

The original Mass Effect series (avail as Mass Effect Legendary for cheap) is fantastic if you like a good story and having lots of feels. And there’s some romance in there too, which ups the stakes. My favorite game (series) ever

[weak tulip]

Expanse series by Corey is AWESOME

[fluid delta]

Expanse is good yes, just finished the tv version

[amber canyon]

Cryptonomicon always good to re-read though. And ... The magic maths monk one ... Anathem?

[weak tulip]

err i actually meant something else, but expanse is good

books MUCH better than tv

though i didn't like the last book much

[fluid delta]

are they! the tv version is excellent

[weak tulip]

the tv version is probably the best tv adaption of a novel sf ever made... but the books are STILL much better heh

holden is too young in TV and kinda out of character

[fluid delta]

felt a but rushed last season, i assume bc they had to condense a bit bc budget, since it had fewer episodes

[weak tulip]

he didn't feel right to me

[amber canyon]

Huh. The expanse books pop up on my kindle quite often. Think my ex is buying them (we' never unlinked accounts ... It's only been a few years, lol).

[weak tulip]

but what i mean was... ahh i can't think of the name

[fluid delta]

TV version did have more realistic language though, that’s the authoritative version

oh and… there is an upcoming mass-effect-style game for The Expanse, coming

[weak tulip]

I meant

Iain Banks Culture Series

❤️

[fluid delta]

Do a PC build early 2027, Kf… you won’t regret it!!

[amber canyon]

Ah ....the language one ... About the giant floating twin-mind aliens that couldn't lie.

[amber canyon]

But I spend most of my working days on a computer 😭.

(and I split my time between 2 or 3 cities)

[weak tulip]

noooo

[fluid delta]

So?? There’s important games you need to be playing! if you have time to read or watch tv, you have time to play an excellent story 🙂

[amber canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/running-hiatus-gif-27536067

[fluid delta]

you can do iiiiit!

[weak tulip]

autoclicker engage

[amber canyon]

Watch out for those golden floaters!

[fluid delta]

is that CL1?

looks like it

[weak tulip]

yeah first repeat

without and with autoclicker

[fluid delta]

thought so. I’m on CL4 and it is a slog

[amber canyon]

I've never got beyond CL1 ... I suspect I'd put the game down for a few weeks if I did, lol.

[fluid delta]

heh… not like i am just doing that, i have been doing other things too, i just check it every 10 or 15 min

[weak tulip]

damn, badges sure are powerful i guess

[fluid delta]

idk… my bonus is at 208% for this event

[amber canyon]

Evem thinking about possibly.doimg events on alpha in addition to my main game is putting me off 😂

[fluid delta]

yeah don’t do alpha..

[weak tulip]

where do you see that number?

grinding it lol

[fluid delta]

idk where it is shown on steam, but on ipad in portrait view it is just to the right of the currencies

[amber canyon]

Info on badge boost tail off.

[fluid delta]

i have 21 badges in that event + 3 that aren’t reflected yet

[amber canyon]

Anyway, time to head to bed. Good chat all!

(And maybe one day we'll talk in General ...)

[fluid delta]

gnight, sleep well! It’s still early here in NA!

[weak tulip]

||wonder if it's worth doing math to figure out whether i should invest more into future money or go right into decentralized utopia which gives a 200% boost||

with autoclicker the generation is x4

[sinful delta]

maybe spoiler the image too

[weak tulip]

oh i didn't? uhm

god i hate discord lol

but nvm, i figured out that doing the math takes longer than to just click for 200%

[fluid delta]

oh, that’s easy: always grab the nodes in order of cost when you can. Simple.

[weak tulip]

ahh it's not so easy to see in this case though

there is an optimum you can go for

[fluid delta]

And I stop adding to the generator when it’s somewhere around 5 seconds per addition

[weak tulip]

because one are generators and the others give flat bonus to the generators

[fluid delta]

yes, always buy nodes when you can get them, and always buy generator up to when you get bored (which for me is 2 to 5 seconds)

[sinful delta]

you leak your email..

don’t

[fluid delta]

i assume that’s the save manager?

[weak tulip]

wi can reach the node within the next 10m, so i don't invest into the generator anymore. However, I could probably optimize the time to get to the node by building a few more generators (or maybe not)

would need some calculus

but that would take me way too much time lol

[sinful delta]

also #🇷🇺-pyccкий

unless you can translate it

[fluid delta]

nah you are overthinking. just go with least effort. that works great!

[weak tulip]

oh ofc, that's what i do

[fluid delta]

i mean, what i am saying is what i’ve done since i started playing the game and it works great

[weak tulip]

but i can see math problems when they pop up heh

and i kinda idly think about it.. and then realize, the math is not as easy as it seems sometimes

[fluid delta]

yes.. but remember there are few to none decision trees in this game

and it isn’t (yet?) designed to be hard or complex, just fun

[weak tulip]

well for the event it kinda matters

[fluid delta]

it doesnt though

[weak tulip]

because i'm grinding for top 25 and i need to optimize as much as i can

i might not get it

#24 atm

for the other modes it doesn't matter much, i agree

i mean, sure, you could still minimize time.. but there's not much reason to do so really

[fluid delta]

i know.. and i am sure you are better at math than me, but logically, grabbing nodes as soon as you can afford them is the optimal way, yes? that’s my intuition talking, at least

what helps more than anything maybe (on mobile) is coming back to the game every 5 to 10 min and getting the ad boost and get the node you can

[weak tulip]

yes but in a case like this... the question is, would it be faster to build more future money before saving for utopia or not? it depends on how much digital money you have and also on the rate of which they generate. There is an optimal way. You could code some software that always makes the best mathematical decision

Hmm, I saw there is a "smart buy option"

this tells me to buy future money, but that's probably just because the node is still locked

i don't think it's "smart" at all heh

[gray yew]

i think its called "smart" because it rounds your number of generators up to multiples of ten

[weak tulip]

oh? really?

oh it only contains the generators

nvm

[fluid delta]

Yeah.. again, IMO, you are overthinking it. Do the lazy thing. It does work 🙂

[proud berry]

Buy Smart will be renamed in the Reality Reboot to prevent confusion.

[amber canyon]

💤It's not hard to eyeball if you choose a sensible way of displaying numbers (Scientific, obvs 😉) - but rule of thumb for my play style is generally to grab the upgrades when you can, then buy generators with what's left. 💤

[fluid delta]

Nono, sensible people use "Custom"

(it's always powers of 1000)

[weak tulip]

if it's only about generators, the math to figure out what to upgrade in what order is rather simple. But when taking boosters into account, it becomes way more complicated. It's obviously not how anyone played, but if there was some speedrun category... this would be relevant

[proud berry]

There is a variation of scientific notation that groups by 1000 instead of 10.

[fluid delta]

Yes. That's Custom. Effectively.

I mean, K, B,T, AA, BB, CC,... ZZ, AAA, BBB, etc.

though "googol" is stuck in there at 10^100 bc they can, lol

[weak tulip]

i like normal

i know the number names

scientific... feels too dry lol

[fluid delta]

I know them too, but it takes a bit of additional mental effort to translate them that I'd rather not expend. Custom is incredibly simple to visualize in the context of the rest of it for me

[weak tulip]

will try it out sometime

this games gives you a lot of chances to become bored lol

[fluid delta]

You always know where CC stands in relation to FF.. it's 3 "levels" of 1000 so 1 billion times less. I can't even remember offhand what the official abbreviations of CC and FF are, so I'd have to look them up at the time and... and so you see why I prefer Custom, zero effort

[proud berry]

No.

When I said a variation of scientific, I meant using the #.##E+## format.

[fluid delta]

Ah

That's worse than Custom, for sure

[proud berry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_notation

[fluid delta]

Anyway..

[weak tulip]

alright, finished stage 2.

[fluid delta]

don't stop now,keep going!!

[weak tulip]

yeah #22 is still sketchy. until i go to bed i'll keep paying attention heh

[tall mirage]

damn u on challenge lvl 4 alr

[fluid delta]

yup!! 13515 science atm

[tall mirage]

😭 i can't even break into top 10 coz this is my first event for money

on newer events it's comparatively easier to get top 10

[pastel kite]

Valid

[fluid delta]

Valid

[pastel kite]

Your chances will be better, I think, after the Great Reset

[fluid delta]

Nope. The reset just affects Primary and Reality Engine

[pastel kite]

Ah

[fluid delta]

Good thing too.. having to do all 550 levels of Meso all over again would probably make me quit

[pastel kite]

I haven't finished that yet

I'm at Prestige 4

[fluid delta]

it's a slog, for sure

(but a necessary one)

[tall mirage]

Like the cheese and math events were so easy to get top 10 lol

[fluid delta]

yep those are relatively new

both this year I think?

[pastel kite]

I'm still at the very edge of upgrading Quasar 3C 273

[pastel kite]

I believe at least the cheese event was

[fluid delta]

I know both are new events compared to the others, at least. So is Cats.

[tall mirage]

Yea, even old players prolly only had 3-6 badges for them so it was nice

[fluid delta]

ah so you are in the process of doing Beyond 28. Nice!!

lets see, I have 12 cheese, 13 AI, 18 math, 24 cats.. ok so cats aren't as recent as i thought

.. that said, AI should be 15, I know I skipped a few badges early on, so idk

[tall mirage]

Oh all events repeat every 9 weeks

[fluid delta]

do they? i know the order is semi-random

no.. 9 can't be correct, just look at it and remembering what I've seen

[tall mirage]

they should I think coz 18 events

[fluid delta]

yes but cryptids are a special case, and I vaguely remember events doing a ABA sequence earlier in the year (where A and B are specific events)

regardless I imagine they aim to repeat all of them within a certain timeframe, but inside that, they are probably somewhat random

[tall mirage]

🤔 oh there hasn't been a repeating event in the last 6 weeks or so, I assumed that they just repeat every 9 weeks

[tall mirage]

Yea that's possible

[fluid delta]

no, it's.. not that predictable.

[weak tulip]

why does this generation decline over time?

[fluid delta]

to encourage reboots? not sure

[tall mirage]

it gets increasingly more expensive to mine every new metabit

Fromm what I figured out, your total metabit count = ((cumulative entropy + ideas)^1/3 )/10,000

[weak tulip]

ohhh. damn. so yeah, encourages resets, i see. hmmm... mathematically it's interesting because there will be an optimium point on when to reset

[tall mirage]

prolly is, but the difference shouldn't be big
general convention is to reset if your new simulation speed is 10-25% of your old simulation speed

[weak tulip]

yeah, going by feel is probably the best approach. simply because doing the math would actually cost you time heh

[tall mirage]

Yea, need to reach cumulative of 183 Ndc I think to finish all nodes

Nvm it's 150 Ndc

which is ~150 E60

[fluid delta]

That doesn't look right

I think it's 50 AA metabits to get the last (problematic) node

all the rest together is not 150 AA

[tall mirage]

🤔 Is it?

I currently I have cumulative of 10.2 E60 and total metabit count is 21.7 Qa
Need total metabit count of ~53 Qa to unlock last node

[fluid delta]

Wasn't it 50 AA for the last node?

(Qa = AA, right? Quadrillion?)

[tall mirage]

Oh I think you are misunderstanding smth
150 Ndc/E60/PP is the cumulative entropy + ideas count

[fluid delta]

Hmm.. Metabits are what you spend to get RE nodes though

[tall mirage]

Yea but you get metabits based on your cumulative entropy + ideas count (CEIC)

So if you know what number to strive for in CEIC, you'll know when u hit the last node

[fluid delta]

You already know, bc it tells you your rate of gaining metabits

[weak tulip]

damn, snakes are disappointing

[fluid delta]

(ofc that will improve as you do content that applies to the multipliers from RE nodes you already have).. well, once you reboot sim, that is

[tall mirage]

😭 yea but that rate decreases over time, I went from 8.22 B/s to 7.29 B/s just by increasing my metabit count from 19.2 to 21.7 Qa

So I was just calculating the CEIC u need to hit the 50 Qa number as the rate of decrease is not uniform

[fluid delta]

Sure. Mine I think was around 4 B/sec when I could buy that last node

(that's unboosted)

[tall mirage]

Yea I think KF mentioned the same

[weak tulip]

.

[tall mirage]

@fluid delta what's ur total metabit and CEIC right now

[fluid delta]

Total Researched Metabits and Cumulative Entropy & Ideas?

[tall mirage]

Yes

[fluid delta]

91.448 AA, 764.77 PP

[weak tulip]

i really do know very little about his game

[tall mirage]

yea then my formula is correct coz cube root of 764.77 PP divided by 10,000 = 91.45 AA

[fluid delta]

good to know!

[tall mirage]

It's 10k, not 1k like I mentioned before

[weak tulip]

but i'm trying!

[fluid delta]

There isn't a lot to know, Jedao, not really! Just do the obvious things! That often works 🙂

[tall mirage]

I got 21.7 AA and 10.23 PP

[weak tulip]

heh, reading you guys sure makes me realize that there are depths i haven't discovered yet

[fluid delta]

nice!! you'll get there ofc

[fluid delta]

part of the fun!

[tall mirage]

🙏 asteroid + nanobot only hope

[fluid delta]

nah

[tall mirage]

I mean if I wanna unlock last one before the reality reboot

[fluid delta]

well.. yeah maybe. ofc for all we know it'll be late

[tall mirage]

did beta start or will it start in the coming week?

[fluid delta]

no idea. i ignore beta and alpha. i only care about release

[tall mirage]

Ah, well release could be november too Ig

the animation is crazy good, especially oort cloud, orion spur and heliosphere

[weak tulip]

next upgrade will be fun 🙂

[tall mirage]

enjoy the meso grind to 550, glad I'm done with that

[weak tulip]

haha i doubt i'll make it that far

[tall mirage]

your first 2 diamond geodes will be very helpful
I completed my last 5 prestiges between 1.5-2.5 hrs each

so it's not THAT long

[weak tulip]

i just mean i will lose interest in the game

[tall mirage]

yea that's there

[weak tulip]

for now it's really fun, best idle/incr i ever played for sure

[tall mirage]

Yea, the art/animation is what hooked me

[weak tulip]

wth is this?

it sounds scary, predatory and yeah.. "later"

[sinful delta]

Predatory?

How

[weak tulip]

roblox lol

the worst gaming community you could ever get into

[fluid delta]

you can look up the answer online if you don’t want to play it

(that’s what i did)

[weak tulip]

heh i don't care enough

[pastel kite]

I used to enjoy Roblox when I was a kid

[weak tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50P-uAVAtFY this is a good summary and fun watch

almost as good as vtuber drama

huh how did i get this?

[gray yew]

This. This is how.

[weak tulip]

oh

only seeing it triggers it? lol

[gleaming dragon]

Why is there no 'buy smart' option in the beyond?

[proud berry]

It is replaced with Buy Rank.

[hallow stream]

does anyone know when the reality reboot will officially be in the game?

[sinful delta]

No

Fall or Winter 2025 is probably

[covert mango]

Guys i need assistance please

So like I've been trying to figure out how to login my google play backup account. But theres no option to login withgoogle

[gleaming dragon]

I think I found out how to speed up process in the beyond, so focus on quests for stars, which give you dark matter and cards first. The cards will upgrade celestial bodies they are connected to, and the dark matter is used to upgrade them, making the celestial bodies way faster. I dont know if this was common sense, but for those who think progression is slow, heres a simple tip.

[proud berry]

It was announced in the latest dev diary. See #📓-dev-diary for more details.

[hallow stream]

thanks

[torpid crypt]

wth...

[gleaming dragon]

"They'll think that the bar is full, and keep on trying to pull the lever! The perfect plan!" - Lucky Bill

[torpid crypt]

this bar is full of money, isn't it?🫠

[forest anchor]

A pretty weird bug

[sinful delta]

the money is full of bar

[forest anchor]

fr

[amber canyon]

There's def aspects that have implications that will affect how easy / quick you find the game.

Like some people - even those that get the basics of some generators are better than others - ||never find / understand the multipliers in the reality engine|| / ||that e.g. Meso affects primary progress|| and sit waiting for years to get the 'problematic' reality engine node.

Or the last Meso achievement, and thinking about ||when to start ... prepping(?)|| ... And ||what to do||.

Mind you, the game doesn't lock you out of stuff. The result is just ... Things take longer. A lot longer.

Someone described it a bit ago as finding and understanding the levers the game gives you. Worked for me.

[amber canyon]

Er ... Google play backup account? No idea. That's probably a question for Google.

Unless you mean your cells save file backup on Google? In which case I've never got that to work, (android) - I get some sort of error message.

The non-Google option works fine though. Does exactly what it says.

[mild furnace]

why do series 2 star packs suck so bad

literally they just arent good

do theybget better

rn im getting a whopping 2 cards from each pack

[amber canyon]

Only 2 cards? Or only 2 gold cards. For black holes that's normal - https://cell-to-singularity.fandom.com/wiki/Galactic_Nursery

I don't know why the Devs picked these ... Maybe to make sure nobody ever finished Beyond?

It's (almost( impossible (for me) to get gold cards any other way though. So better than nothing 🙂.

[mild furnace]

only 2 regular cards

from white dwarfs

strangely enough i was able to upgrade a rare card more than i was able to upgrade the cards for sirius

[amber canyon]

From that link:

[mild furnace]

i didnt click the link

whoopa

but ye that makes sense

but that kinda sucks alot

cuz the series 2 generators r so insanely slow

[woven agate]

Eh, depends

[mild furnace]

like sirius is a whole hour unboosted with 1 upgraded level

i get its slow in the beginning

but its my main generator and i cant boost it cuz im getting so little cards

[woven agate]

But then the purple star is insanely fast

[mild furnace]

im on 18

is that in 19

[woven agate]

Uhhhh am I allowed to tell you

[mild furnace]

i literally do not care

lol

spoilers r not that important here

[woven agate]

Yes, yes it is

[mild furnace]

ok

well how fast is it really

like a few seconds?

[noble dune]

yo

[mild furnace]

hello

[woven agate]

5 or so

I kinda forgot

[mild furnace]

damn unupgraded?

[woven agate]

Maybe

[mild furnace]

either way pretty good

rn im barely generating whatever is after Uvg

dvg

but man sirius is so slow itll take decades for one generation

[woven agate]

Ah I can see mine is at 1.6 with 4 automation doubles

[mild furnace]

sirius or the purple one

[woven agate]

Purple one

[mild furnace]

i just wanna finish ep 18 its too much of a drag

[woven agate]

Ong, gets better tho

[noble dune]

stay offline and collect 2x

[amber canyon]

Yeah. Beyond generator AND trait levels are low compared to e.g. Meso. Despite being end game for some time (and being quite dedicated at collecting stuff); in Beyond I've only got my main generator to level ||8||, the gold traits to level ||5||, and its silver trait to level ||6||.

Now Sirius OTOH ... 😬

[woven agate]

Danggg

[amber canyon]

Could be worse ... In the game on the Semblance channel I have to wait over a month to do anything ... I have to set calendar reminders, lol.

(also pretty far through that)

[woven agate]

Every month

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[amber canyon]

The person at the top of the leaderboard is coming up on being able to do something. After ~6 months ... So ... Yeah ...

Starts quick .. slows down ... A lot.

[noble dune]

damn

[noble dune]

yo

[forest anchor]

Greetings

[gray yew]

hi

[covert mango]

No.. in the CTS theres no option to login with google anymore

[woven agate]

I think I got my roles

Niiiicee

[weak tulip]

huh, was the event extended? It still says 1d+ remaining

oh nvm

[noble dune]

im sturggling to be top 25, let alone top 10

[steel pebble]

does anyone have augmentation buying order thing

i have the capybara and squid idk what to get now

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[amber canyon]

Check the pins to this channel!

[gusty prawn]

is there a short key or something that makes I dont need to click 1000 times on upgrade?

[noble dune]

isnt there a buy 1x, buy 10x, buy 100x, buy rank, and buy max button on top of the upgrades list

[mild furnace]

what do i even do

😭

[mild furnace]

start late man

[gusty prawn]

where?

[mild furnace]

i started like today

money is the easiest event

[weak tulip]

zero badges, started very early (div 12) and can still maintain top 20. Feels okay

[noble dune]

yeah i know, i ranted about joining early yesterday. i was the same last even, i started play 24 hrs before that

[amber canyon]

Now seems to be a good time to start money. I'm 150th in 20 mins ...

[weak tulip]

i wouldn't have reached top 20 had i started today. no badges = slow progress

[fluid delta]

heh. fair enough, regretting a little starting first day on div #20, I’m in Top 10 but it’s taken some work to stay there.. and i have lots of badges

[amber canyon]

Rank depends entirely on the other players (not time). And sometimes you enter a div that's quite empty

[weak tulip]

well, okay but that is just luck based then

but it took me 2 days to get to <20

[fluid delta]

welll.. idk about empty unless you mean players who don’t care about top 10. only one div will have < 1000.. unless you have more info than i do

[amber canyon]

When you start and play style mainly. Then badges and luck imo.

[amber canyon]

By definition when you join a div, it's almost certainly got <1000 members. Sometimes ya get lucky 🙂

[fluid delta]

lol fair but it will rapidly fill up so within idk 10 minutes it will have the full 1000

[amber canyon]

Hmm ... AFAIK there's usually 200-240 divs per event. Over 3.5 days that's averaging as filling up pretty quick. Wouldn't be surprised if it was much faster at the start, a peak at the end, and slowish in between.

[fluid delta]

you are likely right..makes logical sense. starting later is best if you have at least 100% bonus with badges, for sure

[amber canyon]

I imagine most casual players won't notice or care about that. But might notice 'oh! It's nearly finished, I should join'. Idk though.

[fluid delta]

true

[amber canyon]

Presumably a lot of casuals join just for the first badge and participation logits.

I know some people say even the first badge is hard / takes a while. I never found that though (except ||Cryptids||.

[fluid delta]

Yeah, that one you spoilered is a pain

[weak tulip]

Is there a guide which augmentations are best value or an order in which to unlock them?

[gray yew]

We have an FAQ.

[weak tulip]

ah found it thx

So Capybara is next.

although hmm, cat domestication is cheaper and i can afford it ....

[fluid delta]

but are cats ever really domesticated??

[weak tulip]

nono, it's domestication by cats

they domesticate their humans

[fluid delta]

True. Well, ok if I’m being honest, not true, and cats domesticated themselves.. and some cats are more domesticated than others, they are “half-domesticated”, if anything

anyway, i love the floofs 🙂

[amber canyon]

Something something tamed Vs domesticated. Controlling breeding or something.

[amber canyon]

I see they've domesticated you!

[fluid delta]

lol funny bc it’s kinda true!

[weak tulip]

hmm though i see cat domestication gives a boost to neolithic. doesn't seem worth it imo

i hoped for a feline boost, but i guess they are already OP

[amber canyon]

And two clicks after going to Wikipedia to look up taming Vs domestication I'm already at camel wrestling.

And yeah ... Entropy stuff is OP compared to idea stuff. Addressed in alpha ... Maybe ...

[weak tulip]

i don't know if that will change but for me it's cats that produce 99.9% of entropy and martian cities for 99%+ ideas

[fluid delta]

yeah idk how the revamp will handle it, but it won’t be metabits anymore.

[surreal coral]

hey guys, does anyone here have a code snippet to hide cells on a "non healer " spec?

[fluid delta]

… spec? there is no “spec” in cells. you sure you have the right game?

[surreal coral]

when i swap from resto to balance for example, or do i have to manually hide it?

[fluid delta]

this isn’t WoW. You have the wrong game

[surreal coral]

sorry xdd

[fluid delta]

np

[amber canyon]

I think you're asking about something else? This is the Discord for Cells to Singularity

[fluid delta]

resto and balance are WoW terms, pretty sure it’s related to that

[amber canyon]

Well, next time someone asks that ... I will have forgotten completely, lol.

[fluid delta]

lol

[weak tulip]

i actually never played wow

[amber canyon]

Same. Heard of it obvs. And aware that in certain bits of t'interwebs everybody gets excited / angry / talks a lot about it when there's an update.

[fluid delta]

WoW is.. a thing. Famous for MMOs and.. and it’s the most dominant, but also has a mess of a story and.. and, well, not my favorite MMO, and there’s others too.

MMOs are very much a fun gaming experience for many people, for sure

[gray yew]

Sort of? I guess?

[wraith terrace]

An animal that you have to walk around because it goes the same path every day at the same time is not fit for survival without a walking can opener and thus, domesticated. Or plain stupid. Or both.

Need I say that I have no particular love for cats in general?

[gray yew]

Really? I hadn't noticed.
/lh
/s
/nay

[wraith terrace]

There are individual cats that I like. But a world without house cats is not a nightmare for me

[gray yew]

aight

[fluid delta]

Cats... don't do that? Mostly? But fair, you don't like cats, I don't much like dogs, people's preferences vary, for sure

[weak tulip]

huh? feral cats survive just fine

They are excellent murderers

[amber canyon]

Lots of feral cats near me, which seems to breed / starve into stable&ish colonies

The main aspect I dislike is the effect they have on local wildlife. No small birds etc. Not the cats 'fault' per se. But in the UK pet cats are often free-roaming during the day. And they have lots of advantages over wildlife.

[fluid delta]

Yes, best to keep your cats indoors, it's much safer for both them and the wildlife

[amber canyon]

I imagine in NA there's predator pressure on cats? Not here (unless you count cars, occasionally foxes). A few decades ago, pet dogs used to be free-roaming too, which helped reduce pressure on wildlife from cats. Not common at all now. Unlike e.g. rural Spain, where it still is common from what I've seen.

[fluid delta]

Yes there is some, depending on where you live.. and ofc there's always humans, which can do vile things to animals

[amber canyon]

That's true. I try not to think about that (apart from ||being vegetarian cos industrialised farming ... Shudder||). Occasionally I see stuff in the news about animal ||torture - that people enjoy doing it and paying to watch it ...||

.. I sometimes wish I wasn't a member of the human species ☹️.

[fluid delta]

yeah, i am also. Gives me nightmares sometimes.

[noble dune]

have i upgraded the wrong constellation for 5x

[fluid delta]

Gemini is correct. Close Cells and reopen

[noble dune]

i did

[fluid delta]

force close and reopen then. It should use it.

[noble dune]

nope

gonna have to wait until i run out of the boost i suppose

[fluid delta]

Waitasec.. where are you looking for the boost? It won't change the speed at which beyond runs BUT it will change the speed at which research in beyond happens. Maybe that's the confusion?

[noble dune]

oh

[fluid delta]

1100 divs? Nah. I've never seen that. KF is right, 200 to 250 makes sense for what I've seen, that's where I get put when I start last day

[noble dune]

that mission thing

[fluid delta]

yes, the missions, that too

[noble dune]

asstronomical missions is research?

[noble dune]

too? whats the first?

what does speed at which research mean?

[fluid delta]

To avoid confusion: the stuff that constellation applies to, is everything in the research section (telescope icon)

basically, if it is at 5x, then for each second in the timer of stuff you are researching, 5 seconds will be decremented

[noble dune]

i understood now

i thought it was for the screenshot i sent.
its for the research mission boost 2x and 4x.
thanks sepheria

[fluid delta]

yw!

[noble dune]

what constellation should i do next?

[amber canyon]

I tended to look at the characteristics my most recent (best) generators had. And save up fragments to buy a whole constellation at once.

If lots of my generators had a characteristic, I'd wait to find what the next one was. So I was getting best use of my fragments .

[fluid delta]

Yes! exactly as KF says, and that's what I do too.

And with Beyond 29 and 30, there'll likely be new constellations that'll apply, I (we) will get those right away, bc ofc we will

[weak tulip]

Is Volcano the Extinction Artifact?

[fluid delta]

I... don't know. But yeah, get that

[weak tulip]

In the FAQ thing it says to buy volcano at some point but I see only this

[fluid delta]

yeah, i think it's that

[weak tulip]

thx

[fluid delta]

i forget if you click on the mega volcano inside meso, you might be able to buy it that way

at any rate I have it bought, and i haven't bought cosmetic stuff except where it was required for certain achieves

[weak tulip]

can't afford it yet, just mapping out a path. Capybara is first anyway, then possibly Giant Squid if I can get the Entropy

[proud berry]

Gemini boosts Astronomy Mission speed, not Simulation Speed.

[weak tulip]

gotta love it when you see this for your top generator

[amber canyon]

Ah ha! Found a bit where we're different. I actually bought a few cosmetic items ... For no reason except I liked them! ||Funny Earth shapes, martian picture pack||

[fluid delta]

heh.. fair enough. I could buy them, and I have bought cosmetic stuff in other games, just not Cells

[tall mirage]

Is there a difference between White Dwarfs 1 and 2 other than time?

[fluid delta]

nope

[tall mirage]

😭 why did they increase time for white dwarf 2

For the red dwarfs they decreased time

[fluid delta]

And there's only 2 of them

[tall mirage]

Yea, could have kept 3 at 22, 25 and 28

I'm guessing white dwarf 3 will be at 30 now

[fluid delta]

yeah idk, not sure, but I hope they will add a 3rd at Beyond 29, bc at 30 there's not much point, since that'll be the last Beyond

[tall mirage]

Yea true, let's see

Theoretically they could make it fictional and go multiversal Lol

[proud berry]

There is no White Dwarf Ⅲ mission.

[fluid delta]

right but we are talking about whether there will be for Beyond 29 or 30

[proud berry]

My statement is still accurate.

[fluid delta]

So is mine

[sinful delta]

how do you know

[tall mirage]

Even if it ain't in beta, it could be added in release no?

[fluid delta]

yes, bc by definition a beta isn't release, so changes can be made

(and ofc in games, even in release, changes can sometimes be made, and are, and as has happened even in Cells)

but ofc we will have to wait and see what CL does

[sinful delta]

cl stands for countryland

I make the changes here

[fluid delta]

lol

actually, i'm pretty happy with how Cells is. It's an excellent idle game

[tall mirage]

true

[sinful delta]

it’s fun, mostly not repetitive and it actually informs you about useful things

[fluid delta]

indeed

[sinful delta]

and because of what the concept of the game is, there can be practically infinite content (of course the devs would never have time to do this, however)

[tall mirage]

meso prestige 20 one day

[sinful delta]

hopefully no day

[fluid delta]

nono no more Meso. The thought of 10 more Prestige levels fills me with dread

[tall mirage]

[fluid delta]

.. and I really hope they don't go that direction with Beyond > 30, either

[tall mirage]

prestige in beyond will be dreadful

A new simulation would be better lol after reality reboot

[amber canyon]

In one of the video dev Q&As they said Beyond Def Def Def wasn't gonna get prestiges.

[amber canyon]

They did say they were thinking about how to do more space stuff

[tall mirage]

Beyond DLC

[amber canyon]

I'll play it whatever. Unless it's 10 prestiges of Beyond ...

[fluid delta]

I'm very glad to hear that

[proud berry]

The developers would be hit with a large amount of negative community feedback if they made a paid expansion to the players base's favourite simulation.

[weak tulip]

is it just me who just never upgrades lower planets? waste of dark matter?

[gleaming dragon]

Simple, after universe 30 they can focus on the small things of our universe like the planets surrounding the other star systems, or add fictional planets. I don't know if they did this already, since im only on universe 11.

[weak tulip]

they found already like 6000 exoplanets

though of course, details are rather sketchy

[amber canyon]

They don't tend to do much fictional stuff (although the devs are Def techno-optimists with regards to space). A few things go into future predictions.

They've covered a fair amount of stuff in beyond so far (to E28).

[amber canyon]

Better than I could do! 😁

[weak tulip]

well i mean it's mostly guesswork as all they can use is some sort of spectral analysis which for a small object is very hard to do, especially because the star will likely influence the results

[fluid delta]

yes, it is a waste doing so. upgrade only what benefits you

[weak tulip]

yeah i save the dark matter for the top earners

[fluid delta]

exactly! that's the smart thing to do

[weak tulip]

i will be sad when i'm done with beyond, it's by far my favorite part

[fluid delta]

it's mine too

[weak tulip]

is there any ETA for the next update?

and how do i get to the game transfer menu in the steam version?

[proud berry]

It was announced in the latest dev diary. See #📓-dev-diary for more details.

[weak tulip]

ah thx

so, hopefully soon

maybe before i finish beyond heh

[proud berry]

The Beyond will be unchanged in the Reality Reboot; there's no rush.

[weak tulip]

oic

[weak tulip]

hoping to leave the solar system today

[fluid delta]

yeahhhh, that won't be an option this century

[proud berry]

Paint it.

[weak tulip]

voyager did it 😉

[fluid delta]

Yes, but we aren't Voyager, and if you mean "leave the solar system" as getting to more than the halfway point to another system, it's not even vaguely close to that. Space is BIG!

[weak tulip]

well, i know. And depending on where you draw the line you could even consider the probes still within the system

Although I don't think the Oort Cloud is part of the solar system proper

[fluid delta]

Yes it is, it's part of the gravitational domain of Sol

Heh, doing the "stealth" thing in Cells. Opened it up, saw I slipped to #4 from #3, looked at the unclaimed science and picked a couple until it changed back.. to #2, oops, too far.

[weak tulip]

well as i said, depends on where you draw the line. It's beyong the heliopause

[fluid delta]

that it is

[weak tulip]

how exactly is the leaderboard calculated?

I notice I sometimes go up even though i didn't get any new science

[fluid delta]

I think it's raw science

so whatever your score is compared to someone else, sorted from high to low

[weak tulip]

hmm, then i shouldn't be able to gain places without finishing a science objecteive

[fluid delta]

don't forget that each thing you increment, be it a generator or node, is 1 science

[weak tulip]

ohhh

[fluid delta]

(and that adds up)

[weak tulip]

i didn't know that

then it makes sense

[fluid delta]

you can see it yourself, look at your science number, click on a Future Money or whatever, and go back and see how it changes

[weak tulip]

heh i believe you

[fluid delta]

oops, slipped to #3.. someone on my Div is paying attention, I see!

[weak tulip]

i don't sit on the money challenge though, i sit in space currently as the... idk what it's called the boost events for my moneymakers are more exciting to focus on

epsecially because sometimes you get it quintupled

[fluid delta]

boost events?

[gray yew]

I occasionally do. Mostly because I know I'll be coming back round later, so these upgrades make it easier for future me.

[weak tulip]

well when the planets are in that purple nebula thing

[fluid delta]

oh sure, I was referring to events for mine..

[weak tulip]

what happens when you finish space 30?

[fluid delta]

nodnod.. sure. if you mean upgrade the cards on the last planet/star/whatever of the current Beyond, then I do that too, bc it makes the next Beyond way easier

[sinful delta]

I have neither the time nor energy to do that

[fluid delta]

we don't know

[sinful delta]

you don’t

[weak tulip]

oh?

[sinful delta]

yet

[fluid delta]

Beyond 28 is the current most recent

[gray yew]

Like, really big.

I remember the other day seeing someone in the comment section of a "Look Outside" video, calculating how large the Visitor truly was, and how big they were compared to the rest of the universe.
Their final estimate stated that if the observable universe were the size of the Earth, then the Visitor would be more or less chihuahua-sized.

So yeah. Big.

[weak tulip]

so you can still continue, even though it's not reset anymore?

[proud berry]

When you complete all of the objectives, a large blue MAX button appears, instead of the orange upgrade universe button.

[fluid delta]

Visitor?

[gray yew]

That too, if I can. Though I do sometimes go back and upgrade the previous ones. Only sometimes.

[gray yew]

The main antagonist of the game.

[fluid delta]

ah ok

[gray yew]

(not CtS, im talking about another game called "Look Outside")

[weak tulip]

ah okay, you can still continue to upgrade stuff and increase generators just there is no progression anymore (for now)

[gray yew]

Yeah, that's about the size of it, from what I understand.

[gray yew]

By the way, KF?
Does that chart of yours say that the Music, Tea and Fungus events have consistently been happening right next to each other?
Because like with Philosophy and Human Body, I feel like those three always happen either next to or close to each other.

[mild furnace]

sometimes i wonder what my cats think about

and when they sleep next to me and start dreaming snd twitching

i wonder what theyre dreaming about to make them so twitchy

or what theyre dreaming about in general

he doesnt know what a forest is so if hes having a hunting dream what is the landscape

[weak tulip]

probs your home

[mild furnace]

probably or maybe some imagined landscape

who knows

anyways goodnight

[weak tulip]

👋

[weak tulip]

welp, will probably not leave the solar system until tomorrow

does the offline income bonus from reality engine apply to events?

or beyond/mezo for that matter?

[sinful delta]

you don’t leave it until the next century

or if the old men ruling the world are smart enough in the near future, later this century

[weak tulip]

if at all for that matter

obv i'm talking about the game

[fluid delta]

idk what you mean. I see nothing about that in the reality engine

[sinful delta]

No you aren’t

[weak tulip]

offline production efficiency? or what's it called?

[fluid delta]

idk, but whatever you play, the best result is to be offline then come back and do the ad boost

[weak tulip]

i play on steam i have no ads, but i get 2x for offline

but reality engine also has some stuff

[fluid delta]

oh. that i have no idea of. i did check reality engine though, there are no nodes that mention offline

[weak tulip]

this branch

[fluid delta]

ah! I see

not sure how "background idle capacity" is applied

[weak tulip]

it gives a 10% boost for each node or so.

[fluid delta]

total 50% yes

[weak tulip]

but i am not sure if that only applies to the main sim

[fluid delta]

idk

[weak tulip]

anyway, it's still more efficient to sit in game for beyond than doing offline

i measured that.

[fluid delta]

maybe in steam, but not for mobile, where coming back from offline and using adboost is better than anything else..

.. by like.. 2x? 3x?

[weak tulip]

well i get 2x with infinity pass

it might be better if not taking events into account

[fluid delta]

idk, i am just telling you how it works on mobile, and it applies to everything in the game

[weak tulip]

but stuff like this 8x the production when it's quintupled

yeah i never played mobile so not sure if there are meaningful differences

[fluid delta]

Steam is worse, sure

which is to say, progress is faster on mobile IF you do ad boosts

[weak tulip]

even with infinity pass, are you sure?

[fluid delta]

(or pay for infinity pass)

yes, i am certain. all infinity pass does on mobile is turn off the requirement to watch ads to get the ad boost

[weak tulip]

without the pass, offline might be better, not sure

oh it's different on steam

[fluid delta]

i don't use the pass, i just watch the ads

[fluid delta]

(well, i only watch them if they are 10 seconds or shorter, otherwise I do something else while they play)