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but it's all bodies for a very long time
until beyond 17 or 18. can't remember exactly where season 2 starts.
what is season 2'
celestial body classification ends just outside the oort cloud. it switches over there to 'interstellar body'
celesital body goes up to alpha centuri
stops at bernard's star
and.. of course i only have 16 out of the 17 required stars š¦
you'll get a few as you progress through the ranks
yes i am aware. since i went from 0 to 16
there's also a research you can unlock to grind out more of them
oh that one yea i know. stars are better . 3 days for 1 star is not worth it and yes i know sometimes you can get 2 (or 3) but it's average is like 1.05-1.1 per 3 day research
Nice. I haven't been able to get faster than 3:04. Even with help of buying bots.
i checked mobile and it was just sub 2 mins by a second
so my record is ironically on pc
hmmm my best is 1:27, i could offer help if you'd like?
Random Fact: The main background music is "Smetana: Ma Vlast".
That's the thing- I finished meso quite some time ago. So, I wouldn't be able to experience, or make use of, any new meso content. And I really wouldn't like to prestige another 10 times.
And the one in meso is the orchestra arrangement of the Bolero
As I said, I wouldn't mind if newer players could progress faster through meso.
Also, I really prefer if development resources are used for progressing beyond, new events or maybe even a new sim
Just no. I finished beyond 19 in about 2 days, or 3, I forget.
That should be impossible for the 500 prestige levels of meso (not counting the 50 pre-prestige ones)
True. But then, how often is it interesting to unlock Stegosaurus for the first time.
Also, after Mosasaurus, the last levels are a drag and a half
Would there be any benefit to prestiging my Mesozoic Valley up to level 6?
Yes. If you can bear it
What is the benefit
Does it boost other sims?
I though it only did that like the first few times
Every rank is a boost, all the way to max meso
Ah
Only question is q
Whether you can actually make it due to just how repetitive it is
whats the 2nd constellation to get after scorpio if on universe 7-8-9?
How do i unlock this? Everthing else is maxed out.
Get lucky with stars basically
So i gotta spend money
Nah
There are astronomy missions for stars
And also free dwarf star by watching an ad each 4 hours
Jsut wondering I played a lot of this game (74 hours) and then at some point my save reset for no reason. It's a casual game so I'm not too fussed but is there a reason?
At the moment my save only has 15 hours
Do you remember what you did before it got reset?
I know I'd completed the grid to singularity a few times and I think I was about to unlock ducks with the 32nd Prehistoric?
I'll check my achievements I think they show the completions I'd done.
Did you save metabits?
Oh wait, is it possible that you entered the limited time event and after that your save reset?
Possibly I remember a mushroom one but I didn't really have time to complete it so left it
There were reports that people's saves got reset after returning from limited time event to normal simulation, that's why I'm asking
You can contact lunch@computerlunch.com about the lost save and they should be able to help you, try to tell them in short how your save might have reset (what stuff you were doing in game before it reset etc.)
Right I noticed it a while ago and thought "bummer" and then didn't really return. Like I say its a casual game i just put on in the background so didn't really think much of it. I'll do that thanks.
Do you have any advice on how to get constellation fragments quickly?
Open many supergiant stars is the easiest way but I suppose you don't have that much darwinium
74 hours is not a lot of hours.
I know but it's over 4x what the save is at at the moment
Another way is to do research for dwarfs and watch an ad each 4 hours for additional one in the store
It is actually
You can easily finish primary simulation with that much hours
Thank you!
Yeah I have "Prehistoric Research" which says I had at least lvl 26 mezozoic. Anyhow I'll send an email with a link to my Steam profile
They would get more if you make an account in game transfer option and upload your save there and give them the email you used to create that account
Oh sure I've got that that's how I recovered the 15 hour save when I noticed my progress reset
Then no need for the steam acc
ok? primary simulation is a joke.
It's not?
You seem fun. You seem like a fun person.
Primary is the sim I have enjoyed the most so far (But beyond easily wins in terms of the garden)
Primary simulation only lasts for 30mins max (to buy all that stuff)
But it's quite short unfortunately
After a certain number of restarts
After few resets? sure, But first you need to get all those metabits etc.
Which takes a while
yeah okay but like you can complete first primary in like 12 hours
beyond takes like 4 months
Lol
If only you play it actively, it can take a month max
ok
And also if you invest in good constellations etc.
ok
And first primary run is literally the small part of the primary
Yeah actually but I almost bought everything in reality engine too. I'm waiting for 1.00qi which will last for months or maybe years.
Well yeah, after you get everything there's nothing else you can do there
But it was fun at the beginning
Yea you're right. It feels so amazing to unlock new things in the beginning.
And the first force-reset too.
I mean Singularity "bug"
I love reading opinions on play store where people complain that their game glitched just before they bought singularity
Lol
And the response from the devs where they explain over and over again that's part of the game
Honestly, CTS overall score would go up like 0.5 if only there wouldn't be opinions like these
I've never read the reviews but I definitely will after learning that
Wait, they have 4.6 stars
So I believe it would go up like 0.2 then
Absolutely
There's one in Polish which is just hilarious
A guy says that when he opened the game he saw a big red middle finger at the beginning lol
The best one from them all
Good night
Are there any plans to expand upon the main simulation ?
Yes
I finished the gaem. when update.
Never
I have a severe addiction of looking at this coin and tapping it.
I think Mesozoic is Infinite, you should keep restart simulation until prestige, keep prestiging.
Not infinite, thereās just 550 ranks (first run + 10 prestiges)
Practically will take a long time to do.
Basically no one would reach it unless an account was in a will.
You ever seen someone with a yellow name on this server? They did it
Never.
I'm yellow
Am I yellow
No ur green
I'm blue dabadee dabadi i would beat up a guy
I'm blue dabadee dabadi I would beat up a Whail
Wait wha- oh..
Hello there
spend more time on c2s and you will find us all
The time until update will be 10x longer everytime someone asks
Don't know if this is a bug
oh i'm on 1:41 oops
What would win :
A snowman vs A whale
question, so ive been skipping time just playing for fun, but ive reached metabits, but avoided buying neural network, if i buy it, will it affect the game since ive time skipped?
Yeah you'd probably be like, it would know you're cheating so like..
Also it would fuck with the leaderboard so don't do that
so if i decide to play legit,, for now do not buy the multiplayer, and just reinstall later on?
guys im struggling with getting 1 quintilion metabits (neutrino expansion)
do you have any suggestions?
Just make a new save and use that for your legit play ^-^
Nope good luck
0.139%/100%
Me too
6Qa completed so far
Thatās 0.6%
Yep
It's not possible to buy it atm
I believe you wouldn't be visible on the leaderboard anyway, but just don't buy it if you wanna be fair for others
Time skipping / travel is at your own risks. 2 peoples this week have corrupted their save game for ever. One earlier today. Check history here.
i found an infinite shooting star glitch
Can you explain ?
if you finish a shooting star boost
go into a different simulation
and return to the primary simulation immediately
a shooting star will come insanely quick
Where's the coin trophy
I think it's know...but post it in bug section anyway
Nice
this is taking eons, still better than meso prestige
So? It's not as if that's rare.
Tbh, compared to the idle periods I'm used to in this game, progression in beyond feels too fast by a large factor. The last 2 episodes took less than 3 days each and the only thing to come back to for weeks on end are constellations.
they need to add more aquamarine species to the game.
like crabs and spongebob
Not possible rn
0.2%/100%
Where is the coin? Can someone send a picture
oh
you mean
Marine animals
aquamarine is a gemstone
Plants are more underrepresented than marine animals
have you ever seen a tree before
Well, I did it accidentally
No
I want the life before apocalypse event again but we have to wait more than two weeksš
i mean the deep sea one is easier is close and it's really easy to earn metabits with that one
just got 20 heads in the coin game
god shouldnāt have taken a sip of alcohol jeez
Nice that like almost winning the lottery
30
Iām a child that was a bad idea
Like turning a teenager in 3 months
so you are not 13+?
Iām so sus of this conversation
you sure are
Iāve met pedos online before Iām very cautious
it is against discord tos to be younger than 13
very well
Ik
thatās like getting the divans alloy in hypixel skyblock
yes
How close are u to neutrino expansion
Has anyone obtained this (other than time travelers and hackers)
I think so
It was meant to be unobtainable until another update I think
How do I do that coin sim thing everyones been talking about
you need the coinage trait
Whats that
Done with the primary Sim except for one bird
yes
Thanks
I got it, but only thanks to a mistake devs did in beta that gave most people a lot of metabits
I get megabits through the time hack
Shame on you
Not sure what you mean
not good
It makes the screen glitch out
Oh I guess you mean the red question mark
cheater mark
CHEATER MARK
That's what I mean it glitches my entire game to the point where it crashes and have to open it again and I lose my progress
cheater mark
you have the cheater mark
Hey I lose my progress from it
Opening my game up again removes the mark
and now you have the cheater mark
still
it is written in Cells history that you cheated
At least I can't do it on my steam client
A possibility for corrupted save
Broken save
Some bugs that were made only because of changing time etc.
And devs probably won't help you if that will be the case
i have linked my game account to discord but when i attempt to get linked roles i get a webpage saying "Invalid authorization header". any idea what i might be doing wrong?
If you linked your game already then just head to "linked roles" here on discord and give them to yourself
ive linked my game and added my steam to discord connections but i am still unable to obtain roles through the linked roles module
nvm figured it out
uncool man
Bruh I stopped because it glitches
good
And I also now use steam not android
Bitlifeā¦
Wtf
Who still watches Beluga
Dude gets half a million views per video
How
children love low quality content
Yes
Yo anyone here?
I might be.
The face, yes
Many already wondered what it is
Its obviously ||
||
ā¢_ā¢
Emoji land š
oh shit my math sucks
which is the best trophy
that's crazy considering this message came from me
samey lamey
Hmm I wonder why⦠Definitely NOT because thatās the max rankā¦
why is this emoji called the golden_logit 
its me
because theres an old logit 
Thats the og logit i know
doesn't events still give darwinium
some do, some don't
Nah I haven't completed it yet and it stucks
I was stuck before the end of last rank BRAH
finally. 100000 mutagen
@chrome cargo yeah, what's your trick to get below 2 minutes?
I'm using nanobots and in the same time buy upgrades manually from the upgrade tab.
My best time is still 2:52 though.
Nanobots buy the shortest route to the š§ in about a minute or so. But then after refreshing them - they glitch and wander around rather than buy elements from the tree
my best time is about 95 seconds (1:35), and that's before the second mammal updates because the new generators became distracting
Yo
hi
hello
exactly as i check suul's typing
My best was 1:54 (114 sec) and I can't come close to that anymore
š
1 minute 14 seconds, i cant even come close to 2 minutes, they must have changed something with the autoupgradebuyer or smth
No, that was before the trophy generators. I can't go faster than about 3 minutes anymore.
It was messy enough before (I hate having uneven numbers of generators, or wildly different amounts of them), but with mammals and reptiles and birds and whatnot- too much to buy. And selective buying takes me more than 4 min. Btw, entropy is not the issue after enough reboots
For speedruns, it would be really nice to deactivate trophy generators.
Yeah, entropy is not an issue. But the tree branching + issues on the autobuyers wandering off screen bugs me...
Let them wander, as long as they do their thing.
Can anybody pls explain what meta block size max means?
The thing is - they don't, after recharge I have t o switch to gathering and then again to buying, but they tend to buy from main branch rather than upgrade branches.
I might be wrong though
Which one is the worst?
Either philosophy or telescope
Ranking from usefull to useless:
0: money
1: Squid
2: Capybara
3: volcano
4: fungi
5: gorilla
6: telescope
7: philosophy
How is money better than squiddy?
What am I looking at?
oh ok
philosophy, yes
Specifically this #š-share-your-prestige message
i hitted new record on FPS chart š
Nice
Whatās the best way to maximise metabit rate? Iām on simulation 11 and have most of the nodes that are reasonably priced (up to 10b) my rate is around 100k but Iāve had it higher in a previous simulation I just donāt know howš
Actual ranking from most useful to least useful
- Volcano - Gives 50% boost to all dinos in meso, which helps a lot
- Capybara - You need it to buy Giant Squid
- Giant Squid - Makes jellyfish the most powerful generator
- James Webb telescope - Helps a bit on early ranks in beyond, but not much
- Money artifact - Allows to get a secret achievement ||(Land on heads 4x in a row)||
- Dancing flatworms - tie with money artifact, both allow you to get a secret achievement ||(Equip the skin and spin a flatworm in the ocean garden)||
- Island time outfit (for Archie) - A must buy, it's Archie after all
- All other artifacts and cosmetics since they don't really contribute anything to the sim except, well, cosmetics
Buying capybara and giant squid should increase it a lot
Anything else? Iāve just come back after a few years and started the fungi event so only have 18 of the event currencyš„²
Anything else... well, a 4x boost will surely help, also you should play more other simulations since you can now buy upgrades which makes them boost primary even more
You should see new upgrades in reality engine on the left side if you didn't buy them already
i havent gotten capybara yet lol but i did get squid
At the moment I have up to the 8b speed upgrade and have capped up to the ones that cost trillions on the left
Alright, so now basically focus on other simulations
There's not much you can do here now
Oof, do I just stay in this simulation and upgrade what I have access to for now then?
I donāt have capybara but I can still get giant quid each simulation
Well, I believe that new players need capybara to buy giant squid
At least at the beginning
Welcome on the server!
I'd reccomend getting the 4x speed, planning a route, maxing out the boss, then following it.. after that should be easy
@azure turtle is there possibly a place to translate?
Took me several tries tho
To translate the game you mean?
There's a Crowdin page where you can do that
Iām trying to translate danish but I did not see the danish option
?
Alright never mind then
I was checking it and I can't find it either
Well, the danish language isn't in the game either, so I'm not surprised
There are only languages that are currently in game so people can suggest how to improve translations
am i the only one who wants them to remake the ocean? it feels so limited, the flatworms and the fishes stuck there, and it just feels empty
They remade it once iirc
They might do it again in the future tho
Already have bots maxed, the gain speed should be irrelevant, I've been playing for years (does it increase the speed of the bots as well? Or gains only)
I feel the bots are not going places I want them to go, especially since š” section
..speed should be irrelevant but it can't hurt
That's why you plan a path
They follow the camera
I'd reccomend using it on mobile and planning out a path to pull them along
I did it in about 2 attempts once i made a chart
Well they're kind of broken atm
..ah fair point
I did mine a long time ago
When the animal garden 2.0 was still new lol
The best time I could pull off with those broken nanobots was 2:30
Iāve managed to consistently get sub-2:00. My past two times I got 1:30
My tablet is slow so I only rely on nanobots
I've managed to get sub 2 before they broke
So it's possible, but not with the current nanobots
Well, manual buying is slow for me
I kind of know what you do
You buy from the side menu or directly from the tree (which is slower)
But my tablet can't process buying so much in such short amount of time and it lags
Thank you!
Somehow I have the ability to occasionally turn my finger into a mini auto clicker to limited amounts of time
by vibrating your fingers?
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I think I can do that
im on the last episode of beyond season 1 š„³
nice
Wow ... I can never get it to work ... will try it next time. So, you're using both the nanobots and using the Research tab manually ..
F*ck It! 8 Fingers
(POV: Idle Games be like)
finished the beyond 19, worth it
i wonder what will be added to beyond next after the stars
Probably exoplanets
Devs won't answer most likely but we as players don't know anything about that yet (at least from the roadmap and what I've heard) but that doesn't make it impossible that they'll add it eventually
Well, why did you delete your message
is there going to be a prestige higher than 10
No
We don't know actually
For now we don't have any info but it clearly says in game that 10 prestiges is the max for now
Im sickš
wdym, I'll answer questions! I'll likely just say, "idk," but it's still an answer 
ŠŠ°Š“но
i was assuming exoplanets since its the only logical thing i can see (other than black holes but i feel like thats good for very far into the end game)
#š·šŗ-pyccкий
I have over 300 spare shards
dont mind the 86 con frags
Does prestig-ing reset the mutagen count?
I'm pretty sure my brother can do better than that. In a couple of games we've played the game has penalised my brother due to the game thinking he was cheating due to how fast he can tap. Last I checked it was about 10-12CPS.
I'm annoyed there is a limit on how fast you can tap and still have the game register.
THe main example of my brother getting accused by a game of cheating was when we played International Track and Field for the PS1.
How do you get coin sim
Coin Sim?
buy the coin artifact in the logit shop
Ive gotten 1:30
Coin artifact in logit store
Thx
Chinese
no
no
Then what language is that?
I don't exactly know but I am sure it is not the two you pointed out
Itās korean
It's korean
Well the third is the lucky charm
Here we can see a slightly confused prophet
RAHHHHHHHHHHH
RAHHHHHH-honestly nice
Nice!
been a few weeks since I decided to update my main sim spreadsheet and don't think I didn't notice some of the nerfs you guys slipped into ape in particular.
at least three of the research benefits applied to ape were halved.
not sure why you decided to nerf something so far down the tech tree but oh well š
https://reddit.com/r/CellToSingularity/s/YQrhhMH4GR
Can someone explain?
It is a trick
Mobile games make their higher amounts of currency relativity less expensive than the cheaper options
Mine game froze in the coin game
Mine usually stops on a golden astroid thing
Yeah
There are spots where asteroid or anything else doesn't spawn
In beyond for example, just go to garden and go to interstellar view
gaming
Ye š®
Over 1400 logits and nothing to spend them on.. I really hope they add more items to the store in the next update..
who has the fastest singularity time
I have a 1:09 on steam, and 1:26 on mobile
But im sure thereās people who are way faster
I have 0:59
are your accounts not linked together?
No. I purposely have different accounts
I had 2:24 on mobile
hey, new player here! I've played the game on android for a little bit, just finished my third prestige. I was wondering how to link my account with my pc steam install given that I created my android account with my gmail?
lol it took almost 36 hours but im now on the stars!!
should probably have this maxxed out by end of the month maybe into october
depends on if things slow down
nanobots
nanobotonica
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InformaƧƵes do sistema(App v1.2.4, Brand SPC, Model Discovery, OS v13, Screen 720x1448, pt _ PT, WET, From: regrant, S: 4|F:0):
Oi
An epic, rare & 4 fragments, that has to be a high roll š.
Don't play lottery anymore, all your luck is used up š
I totally agree lol š
Helo
Make an account with e-mail and password on your pc you would be able to go on your account, your welcome to ask more questions
thanks!
They should make the Astronomical Unit in Beyond to Light Years... It's so hard to know with A.U
At least once you get out of the Oort Cloud
oh man, implementing the math for prerequiste calculations is a nightmare.
among other things, researches with prerequisites have to pretend the prerequisites already are purchased when calculating their direct benefit.
it makes for some really gnarly-interconnected formulas
The blue arrows show everything that has to be calculated just to get the efficiency value for Plasma Membrane
yo CELLS
lucky brah
hi
Hello
oof updating this spreadsheet to include prerequisite details is going to take a while. not gonna get this all done in one day.
š«”
New best! Singularity time 1:21
Good
Can someone help me on this ._. HOW DO I UPGRADE VESTA 11 MORE TIMES!?
wdym rank it 11 more times, like just upgrade it man
By waiting or spam clicking or purchase some of those cute pink cubes that i forgot the name of em
As I have been getting more items in primary, my megabit production has been going down. Shouldn't it be the opposite?
no
I meant upgrade sorry
just restart or get more bonuses, it will go exponentially eventually tho it feels linear since prices go to beyond
Ummmmmmmm
HOLY SHIT I DID IT!!!!!!!
Sub 2 Min!!!!
I guess breaking the boost limit was more than just a funny glitch, but a sign of great luck to come my way.
Can someone explain how to get these?
you get those by completing the daily signon bonus
each time it's completed you get another shark
Bruhā¦
the power of belief
... and spam clicking probably š
time for me to learn this
Iām on mobile, and honestly spamming had very little to do with it. Itās actually more skill than anything.
You need to memorize what you have to focus on.
Oh.
Lol
What happened was I just switched from Meso to Prime and even though my timer was above 74 I clicked it anyways out of habit and it gave me an option to watch an ad⦠which I found weird since if itās over 72 it never does. I watched it and it worked. 78+ hour boost xD
Say. How do you get all those fancy roles you have?
Ahhhh darn
Yeah that feature dosenāt work for iOS
Iām pretty sure itās Steam exclusive
I have it on android
Oh? Yeah then it must just be iOS or iPadOS
ill try to find the post containing the rules
heres the post
#š¢-announcements message
creating an account should work for ios too
you could ask the support people here
I still don't really understand metabit production. The basis is clear enough- entropy and ideas and all those multipliers. But where does metabit size figure in?
I'd have thought that the value "total production" divided by "meta block size" would be my metabit income.
But that can't be true. Meta block size has been "max" for a few days now and production should not have changed. If my assumption would have been right, my metabit income should have become linear.
It has not, production is still dropping. So, either metabit income is not total production/ meta block size, or the value for "max" is not fixed. If the latter, it's not max at all and I'd like to see the actual value again.
good luck beating my record :trollface:
I'm playing on android and wondering how to use my metabits to buy upgrades to the reality engine? At the moment I have 4 showing able to get but nothing i do actually gets them. Nanobot is only 100 and I've got 40million or there abouts...
You need to reset your simulation to buy them
Ah. I've reset a few times but I must've missed them or they've not come up yet. Cool. I'll try to be patient then ha
Pretty sure that's what's happening, but I can be wrong
Got it! Thank you, I dunno how I missed it
Right, you've shown me this before. Guess I did not really understand it then. Thanks again.
Nothing to do but wait for the next re-balancing
You can only buy engine upgrades when the simulation is not running.
Oops, I thought it was another person
For your confusion the last part it the most important
I believe that when you hit that value (MAX), it shows max but actually still increases and that would explain why our production still decreases
Aka, that our production is slowing down even though we have max
Hello
Yep, that was the part i had not really understood earlier. And my comment was meant as a facepalm š
I'm somewhat relieved that I didn't misunderstand an important game mechanic.
Welcome
Hi
hi
Hi
Does anyone know what engine C2s uses?
Unity
Fuck.
Best unity game of all time
cells to singularity is good
before when the player could look at all the numbers exactly
we could do the calculations ourselves
but now I believe the block size is deliberately hidden behind "MAX"
so that the devs can quickly make balancing tweaks without having to come up with in-game excuses
like changing the production for specific generators or upgrades
so even after you hit max, the rate you create new metabits is still dropping?
yes
well that just means the 'max' is lying
yeah lol
if it actually did cap out, the metabit creation speed should flatten, and accelerate with purchases in the main sim.
don't post random content here, thanks
no problem š
since the last time we spoke I've gone from meso 19 to 29 š
and beyond 5-9
: D
On android can you start an ad then restart game and then does the time add on or not?
Are snakes worth it?
Is anything worth getting with logits other than squid, gorilla, capybara, volcano, telescope, coin, philosophy, and fungi?
I also have moonlight valley just for vibes
All that's left is just to make it look/sound weird right?
hi
Hi
next update
hooray
So many logits, so little to buy. Just get everything.
I expected it to take longer because it had 16 objectives, but only took 6 hours.
Volcano and James Webb telescope are definitely worth buying
VACAY ARCHIE
Im getting there, because i get bonuses that give 10000 tap increase first
Or the... Increase in income
i just did a simularity for the first time that was so loud lol
no
I think he looks nicer in the suit
They are, yes.
when you do the singularity for the first time, it feels like a monster is gonna jump out and obliterate your cookies
fun fact: that sound actually plasy somewhere else in the game
M
If you overspent Darwinium in a short amount of time, you lack spending discipline.
I feel like the game really needs more stars. I can count the number of stars I've unlocked and that just shouldn't be possible.
Considering i didn't even have enough time to complete it last time, i did it pretty quickly
hi! whats the best first use for logits?
Volcano, and depending on your progress in main sim, capybara/giant squid
Whats the best way to get darwinium?
daz fire
Codes? You mean, like, for free?
Tahan tahan kusabar menahan
Yeah
There are codes you can redeem for darwinium
If only you're not on iOS
No, Android. And on Steam, but that was for the late release of the dodo-event
Where can I get the codes? In #š-semblance ?
...not that I really need darwinium. But hey, I might buy a few black holes and finish the last constellation
Yep, just write there the command /codes
i swear to the fundamental forces and particles if i hear that song one more time i'm burning down the world
Hehe
Aku sayng kamu juga sayang
Tapi sayng kita berjauhan
Tahan tahan kusabar menahan
Wait or just reboot? Was earning at 8.2 metabits Per sec now itās about 5.2~
I'd wait. the two thresholds I watch for for resetting the engine are: did the sim speed double or do you now have enough metabits to buy an upgrade that will multiply your sim speed?
Double the number on the (nnnnnn X ) or when is 200% (2,0 x)?
The next sim will be double the speed when the number on the right side of the arrow is twice as big as the one on the left.
in your screenshot, 84 < 2x76 so no, I wouldn't reset, unless you can afford one of the sim speed upgrades from the tech tree.
Have you ever wondered what would happen 100 years in the future? A million? A billion? What happens when AI takes over the world? When the sun dies? When the universe dies? The next explore event is focused around the future, and is releasing on 9/15/23!
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The reason I called it that is because I actually released it about a year ago, but recently I decided to revamp it and make it better. So it has a new name because Iām āreturningā to it
I gave up typing in all the formulas for prerequisites manually. it was way too slow and very very error prone
so now i've added about nine new columns that include a whole ton of indirect cell calls so all I have to do is drop in the name (and sometimes quantity) of the prerequisite and the sheet just goes and gets the numbers for me
Hey maybe you could make a spreadsheet about my fan event when I release it
Mate, I have made a few pretty complex spreadsheets (and a lot of simple ones on a regular basis).
So, from one sheetsmith to another, I really respect what you are doing, it is incredible work.
I think you might be getting close to what can be done with spreadsheets and maybe, you're already aiming beyond that
Maybe you can add an additional sheet that works as a switchboard where you can manually set if a trait has been unlocked and which level it has. Sometimes, intermediary steps like this help to keep formulas manageable- remember that you have to troubleshoot the hole thing if once you get funky results.
Yeah, I prefer separate sheets sometimes
not all prerequisites are entered yet, but the ones that are there are working correctly, and it's now much much easier to flag a prerequisite
i just specify at most one number and up to three names
all of these columns are fully automated š
Have you considered that some prerequisites have prerequisites themselves?
yep, it chains them
Well i'm only about a third of the way documenting the entire prerequisite tree.
will look so much cooler then. also it may stop trying to make me 'deep dive' to something incredibly expensive because it's not factoring all the stuff I have to buy to get there...
and if it does make me deep-dive, then it'll really be worth it.
because it'll know yeah yeah, you have a few things to buy first, but you really need this now
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one thing for example is, as soon as i had purchased even one fish it immediately screamed at me to buy the two intermediary researches that led to the right where the sharks live.
...which is only interesting if you already have sharks
yep. this was only with two sharks unlocked.
that insistence is only going to get louder as i collect the other four š
It is indeed! Boy, was I worried back when I first reached singularity
this sheet is also designed to know when certain researches unlock after a certain quantity of generator purchases.
I had lost a complete set of sharks before and was rebuilding
and it can calculate bulk purchases of generators with the exponential cost increase
A-ha! So they do require certain amounts! I was about to ask
(that was a gnarly formula!)
Lol, I can't even figure it out
Should I mention that I stink at math?
heh. that sumproduct is the neat part. I use 'indirect' to generate an array the size of the number of purchases I want to simulate and it raises the cost to an exponent equal to the column of the array, and then adds up all the numbers.
excel's ability to multiply by an array is a really neat shortcut
If I understand correctly, you calculate the cost for every step seperatly and then add them up?
yep, it generates an array with each entry in it being the cost for that particular purchase, so each element in the array is 1.15x the last one
then it adds them all.
Nice.
I didn't know about indirect, will have to find an excuse to play around with it
well, you know how in a formula "A2" just means return the value of cell A2 here, right?
with indirect, you can now say return "A"&B2
Sure. I just didn't know that I could use a formula to fill empty cells
and it'll look at the contents of b2, append it to "A" and get that cell.
so it looks at B2, finds "2", adds that to "A" to get "A2" and then pulls that cell
This lets your sheet's own contents tell the formulas where to look for the info.
Very smooth
Could have used that when I created a tiered leaderboard for an event in another game
the 'r1=row' and 'r2-row' columns are numbers telling other formulas on that line which other row to look up to get info about that other item.
so cold-blooded is on row 41. lungfish row 47, etc.
these numbers are themselves the results of formulas that look down the column looking for the name I entered into the column to its left.
Yes, that's where I fall back on separate sheets
This is much smoother, though. Keeps formulas more uniform
this way I can add new lines anywhere I want and it won't break my indexes.
if a row number changes suddenly, the formulas will just update the row number
not shown is a bunch of if logic to not put anything in a cell where it would make no sense
well, kinda shown. most of the cells are blank but they're full of formulas that just output blank.
until they don't.
no, the ones labelled 'research #' and generator and G-# are manual entry fields
everything else reacts to those.
I did this because up to this point I was crafting all my dependency formulas by hand and it was a nightmare to maintain
Ok, then I had the logic of research and r-row backwards
It still is, I guess
Btw- why don't you eliminate the div/0 errors? If error should suffice
oh that only happened because i zeroed out every generator for that picture
here's a more accurate example of how the sheet does the math. This is a view of the prokaryotic cell before either dna or protein is purchased
it's calculating the cost and value of those two things, and putting them sums in the 'prereq' and 'pre-prod' columns on the left.
the efficincy column (not shown, far left) uses those with the cost and direct benefit of buying eukaryoitic cell to determine the overall efficiency.
But prokaryotic cell can't be bought without having DNA and protein
exactly. those two are marked as a prerequisite, and the costs and benefits for those two things are factored into the decicion to select prokaryotic cell as the next purchase target, or not.
the math is intentionally pessimistic. It's not calculating the value of prokaryoitc cell assuming its prerequisites are purchased. only its direct benefits and the sum total benefits of the prerequisites.
that might sound weird, but it means things like chained upgrades for the same producer don't calculate the combined-force of the chain
I'm pretty sure that you don't need to buy the intermediary upgrades to get the shark buffs
You mean, you can tell exactly how much every upgrade contributes, by itself
plasma membrane is the first example that comes up.
if you have at least one shark, the actual shark nodes are automatically unlocked in the background when you reset before you even purchase an amino acid
Just a sec, brb
I'll have to test that, but I think they just unlock themselves once you buy replacable teeth.
I have all sharks and my fish get massive buffs relative to other generators before I ever buy replacable teeth
yes. My sheet knows for example plasma membrane doubles DNA output. It does not factor in that the upgrade before it (protein) also doubles output.
I don't know if this is a bug or intentional
And now I really understand the use of ir
As of now, I can't confirm that
so yeah, if it flags something that has prerequisites as the next purchase, that means that upgrade is worth it on its own, without its prerequisites, even though it costs more because it has prerequisites
Yo!
it is calculating prerequsite benefits to the total, but it's not checking to see if its own prerequisites make itself better.
So, the multipliers increase by adding themselves up, not by multiplying the previos production
no, not really what I meant
let's say you have a producer that makes 1/s and two upgrades that double that, but the second one requires the first one to be purchased first.
The first upgrade will correctly record that its own benedit is also 1/s since it can see it will double the producer
the second upgrade will also value itself at 1/s because the first upgrade has not yet been purchased.
Ok, forget what I said. Buying replacable teeth doubled the previous production of fish- meaning the sharks did factor in before
oh, so sharks are always on?
yep
Don't know about always, but before replacable teeth
I'll test it directly on my next restart.
but yeah, back to my example the true value of the second upgrade is 2/s because it would be doubling the originally-doubled 1/s
but until you buy the first upgrade the second one doesn't see that.
I'm really on the fence about this whether I should try to implement that kind of lookahead. it's a proper nightmare to calculate.
the tricky bit is finding a way to make it generic enough I don't have to manually update formulas when it happens, because it doesn't actually happen that often
although I can think of one kinda funny example where a generator is actually locked behind a research that buffs it.
it's up in the idea tree
speaking of that there's also that one idea research node that buffs humanoid colonist way before you can actually unlock humanoid colonist
yeah that's one of two points i've found where a research in one economy buffs something in the other economy
I especially love how the visuals on the tech tree sometimes lie about what is actually required to unlock each thing
How many constellations have you guys completed?
I've done 7 so far.
All of āem
Most of em
hi its my birthday today š
Only 12 total? Update!
Also I have 13 done
He has updated, but he hasnāt beaten episode 17 yet
Oh huh
You can see that the progress bar isnāt filled
Did not know the new constellations only unlock in E18+
Hm
Prolly at this pace
so for the first time ever i will not scream when there's ping lmao
I've been speedrunning the beyond simulation for the last 2 weeks and I finished 8 episodes
Wow
Happy Hatching Day
Look at the achievement page- see all those empty places and despair. Or rejoyce, depending on how much fragments you have
There's quite enough constellations of some importance or interest left: Aquila and Cygnus, for example, containing Altair and Deneb, respectively. Especially Deneb is of interest as it is a supergiant and very bright.
hello do you guys have any reedem codes?
Which one should I buy?
Happy birthday!
THERE'S ORION?!
i think I might have broken my simulation.
Does anyone have some reality adhesive?
happens all the time... just dodge it
Jokes aside, this has happened to people before. It's a bug but idk how to get rid of it
the OCD in me will continue to be tilted until I complete the event I guess
Have you tried restarting the game?
Save for volcano, then capybara and after that, giant squid
Last 28 to finish the Beyond. Oh boy...
And then THERE'S THIS ...
I'm still waiting it
I'm waiting for the devs response to controversial/bad changes to Unity's pricing. I'm afraid that this might be the end of CtS...
Wdym?
If they can either shoulder the burden of paying extra to Unity, or just remove the game entirely, I don't know. We'll just have to wait for ComputerLunch's dev response.
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Thatās stupid
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I'd hold on for that thought for a little longer. Unity is pretty much comitting corporate suicide by doing that
Ig no matter what they decide to do in the future, their reputation is already ruined
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Interestingā¦
Wha
Where does it look like a PC
Same.
Yeah
Either way this is social suicide for Unity
10 million downloads on Gplay alone
Hereās what the Paleozoic Marsh intro would look like
āHello again, so far you seem to be doing really well gathering knowledge about the Simulation around you. From Complex Evolution, to The Mesozoic Era and Up and Beyond the Solar system. So now I have One more thing for you to study as we slowly exit out of the history of our home planet. Are you Ready?ā
Is this good?
Is this too short?
I don't exactly remember the names of those but on the 2nd picture, there is a milling machine for sure
Why canāt I buy sharks?
U get 1 shark every 15 days
Wth just like automatically? Since when?
Since start
I just saw the research option today it wasnāt there before
Ohhh is that where it came from
I just got it today but it didnāt say anything when I unlocked it
How often dothey update 1 episode of beyond?
They dont
Wdym?
They meant when a new episode comes
Yeah, doubt they would
they do lol
they added ep 19 of the beyond just like a few weeks ago
I'm an idiot
woo! the majority of my entropy tree prerequisites are now documented
What
I'm on ep 6 so that explains it
How far away from the sun's are you now
thats not how it works anymore
spoiler:
||past episode 17, the beyond isn't based on distance from sun anymore||
Ok that was a lot of work to patch that into my sheets.
Sure, but the wiki can't tell you what you should be buying next.
This sheet is way more than just a database.
so whats the ultimate goal of this
do you wanna make like a 'c2s ultimate guide' with this info
The guide to guide all others
Tbh I was expecting some graphs
you mean the dependency tree?
It's almost the same as what you see in the tech tree ingame..
(which technically lies in a few places)
I meant like graphs going hogher depending on upgrades and amounts
The sheet is calculating the individual cost of every upgrade it contains, even if they're not unlocked yet.
But I don't see how to make that a graph
Ig your right
This is a view of both the game and my sheet. the sheet is currently correctly predicting my entropy/s within half a percent or so (8.94e45/s vs 8.95e45/s ingame) and its telling me my next purchase should be vocalization
Capybara, and the vocalization research behind it have shown me I have to sim stacked multipliers during prerequisite calculations... ugh.
I was afraid of that :/
Events are getting boring, i finish them literally from 1 to 2 days at this point
Eh, I use them as opportunities to refine my speedrun algorithms
I would say he's more like a loyal fan that devotes his time to help other people in future 
Where's everyone at in their simulation speed increase total? I'm 85K
total, or base sim speed before multipliers?
mine's only 4854.13 right now
also, oof. i tried to get the 2:00 minute singularity... and got exactly 2:00
... not sure if it counted.
How did you do it, I'm at 52,000.00 yet
Woo! It counted! Got sonic speedster
I am at sim #24 right now, maxxed prestige on Mesozoic, 30 badges
Maxxed out all sim research (giant squid and capybara included) and kept doing the 30x bonus comet tapping lol
oh wow. so apparently there's a one-second window where I can earn the linked role here on discord, but not earn the speed demon achievement.
doh!
^^^
Rigel: very massive Star, doesnāt produce that much stardust
Van mannen Star: Very weak and small Star on the verge of black dwarf, responsible for 98% of your production
oh come on, explain how anything other than the sun in the entire oort cloud produces more stardust than the sun.
how tho
I have max prestige MV, max beyond, like 15 badges and only get 40 thousand
capybara and squid?
no I dont have capybara and squid, but I don't see how that impacts it
Imo
you really should then.
dont have enough logits
"15 badges"
Also capybara and giant squid helps a lot with getting more multiplier
They're really powerful
start with capybara
I only have 87 cuz I spent all of them on other stuff for the secrete achievements
Beyonds metabit upgrades should give you 100x and not 10x like badges and mv
And you usually needs capybara to buy giant squid
is capybara 100 or 50?
But for beyond its 190x
Well, we still don't know how many episodes there will be
100
Nothing is confirmed
I dont wanna go to the whole cycle of doing the same thing 10 times
They said they're not sure if they will add it
MV was painful to do
Bout to be 70 episodes
If they will add, for 100% it won't be like meso prestige
Phase 5
Lmao
if they add MV 2.0 or something I hope they remove prestige and give darwinium for every prestige rank you got
I only want 50 so I'll have perfect 50 primary, 50 meso and 50 beyond
idk if that will ever come out
When you get cabybara/giant squid (and rank them as high as possible), it makes you gain more metabits, more metabits mean higher multiplier during sim reset
like at the rate they are making episodes rn 70 episodes would take like 5-10 years
Oh hell nah, I worked too hard for this to only get darwinium
They can make it easier/more enjoyable, but not delete it
I like my gold role too
dude idk doing 500 ranks over and over again is just pain
need upgrade ideas for this
do you like torture


