Fragment Farming (Extreme Edition)

[oak hound]

Normal Fire 71.3 DE damage

[haughty wing]

Might be the Fire Era

[oak hound]

And is this just to set idles or...

[haughty wing]

Ah, no, this one would be to just leave it running - it's kind of a compromise 'cos it also kills enemies, thus getting you some other stuff and progress

Setting good hit idles would take more planning

But maybe just removing WINCE and running it a few times for a minute could be ok

So that different enemies get the hits

[oak hound]

I just wanted to make sure! Thank you for doing that for me!

Now I'm dying to electricity

[haughty wing]

I guess Chaos might be too much

[oak hound]

The very first electric enemy that comes up one-shots my tower

[haughty wing]

Yeah

[oak hound]

Ok...wtf, I went down to Universe easy and am still dying

[haughty wing]

That's weird, how much Shield do you get on this?

[oak hound]

1.479e41

Same enemies, electricity and fire, even with era powers disabled

[haughty wing]

Ah, yeah, I've tested it with something over e100

Just go low enough, I guess

[oak hound]

I'm so fucking shit

I've probably fucked up my town skill points too, the town perks.

just like everything else, can't do it right.

all because I don't understand half of the 'meta' shit

[haughty wing]

Eh, you're still pretty early in the endgame it seems, and you're trying to do hyper lategame things 😄

[oak hound]

I'm on MT15

[haughty wing]

Yup

That counts as early 😄

[oak hound]

that...that's early?

after the mental shithole I went through to get to this point, it's still early?

[haughty wing]

I've been gaining stats for almost 2 years since I've reached MT15

[oak hound]

i quit

[haughty wing]

I mean, you'll reach the ending of MT15 and the current story soon enough

[oak hound]

nope, done

uninstalled and won't look back

[haughty wing]

But things like Extreme BPs and reaching i100b require time

[oak hound]

I wasted far too much time already

[haughty wing]

Well, it's your time, I suppose, but the story ending wasn't that far off

[oak hound]

I suffered to get this far, literally cried

[haughty wing]

Oh

[oak hound]

Yeah, "Oh"

Have fun with mental anguish and always obsessing over if you have the right meta build in an idle game that isn't really an idle game, I'm not going to play anymore.

[polar cosmos]

it is a problem that we dont have any bps that go in the middle between the just starting phase and the super optimize phase

[haughty wing]

Incidentally, I experimented a little bit with setting Hit idles, and this is what I got before losing interest:

Seems decent enough

[polar cosmos]

the hits are the swords right?

[haughty wing]

Yeah

I suppose that one v1 module would be useful here

[haughty wing]

I seem to be ~e2-3 short on damage from setting a new Purple, oh well

[slow cypress]

how the hell does tpt2 make you cry honestly

[slow cypress]

this part is especially confusing

also

that person just had a hella toxic mindset I guess

tpt2 is not an idle game, what mental anguish, and there's no obsessing here what's wrong with trying to get the best setup in a game

[slow cypress]

I've made a bunch literally just like that, but they're all wacky and fulfill super strange requirements

like activeless and contractless

the contractless bp works just fine despite me literally having awful anvil stats and a complete inability to use ultimate modules

I guess I could make a mid-endgame bp at one point

being able to use more than 2 actives in a bp would surely improve the killspeed

[haughty wing]

I'm not sure if they were talking about me, or just summing up their own experience. Given the crying comment, I suspect the latter: I think they tried really hard to be meta throughout the entire game

[slow cypress]

yeah no that is pretty much just their own fault entirely

can absolutely get through the entire game while completely ignoring the existence of any meta

new challenge idea: only non meta damage types/builds

[polar cosmos]

how would that even be coded

[finite nexus]

you're only allowed to do amounts of damage that aren't "interesting" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interesting_number_paradox

[slow cypress]

[polar cosmos]

just if you have magma foundation, diable fire damage, if you have battery foundation, disable elec, with daybloom, disable nature, with neutral gift, disable neutral, divine blessing and % based darkness damage doesnt work, borf is gone, offense is probably just disabled honestly?

[fathom ermine]

Oh, so just a Reflect build? Got it.

[slow cypress]

isn't reflect just neutral damage, which means no damage for you

[polar cosmos]

what even counts as a meta strategy? would metas in this mode count as meta strategies?

[slow cypress]

basically just the elements that have some insanely good way to buff their damage

[haughty wing]

It's time

First, a backup of how it was right before 1.0

Now in with the new

[haughty wing]

Ok, it's done

Some minor improvements are possible, I'll probably try them out with Christmas buffs

Also, disabling scripts in AI is no longer needed

[polar cosmos]

im quite annoyed by the 16 scripts i need to import for this

if you do a lot of very confusing looking coding you could easily at least combine the secure scripts into one

[haughty wing]

The ones in TTT are shared with other stuff so they don't count

[novel topaz]

I'm missing one module from purple. One of the new ones. Got the new infinity board one

[haughty wing]

Omniversal Damage?

[fathom ermine]

Era Experiments.

[novel topaz]

ok

[haughty wing]

It can also be replaced with Nature's Touch, but that'll lower the efficiency

[novel topaz]

I'm not doing something right...been a while

dying with the red

even in lower diff

[haughty wing]

Hm, that's weird, can you post a screenshot?

[haughty wing]

You need the Toolkit AI

I moved shared scripts to a library package

[novel topaz]

ok

reading 🙂

good to go

[haughty wing]

Nice, let me know how it goes 😄

[novel topaz]

I don't have the dps for purp

even with shoreline

red and yellow worked

oh, modules didn't get upgraded

nope, still no go

have to go down to chaos hard 🙂

omg, I can't read

[haughty wing]

Downtiering? 😄

[novel topaz]

🙂

I can only do nightmare for now

tiers must be too low

I'll try drimp

[haughty wing]

Purple has the highest damage requirement from the bunch if I recall

You can greatly increase its damage by swapping Aura for Battery

[novel topaz]

ok

[haughty wing]

But you'll need to add some Reds to match the tags

Omega Synergy and Google's, probably

[novel topaz]

DrImp good for now

[haughty wing]

Anti-Uni should also work

[novel topaz]

still need to farm exotic gems too

[haughty wing]

ChImp with 2 extra modules should beat DRImp by a little bit

I've added a note on it

Oh, you can also do the thing from Yellow and use Marble instead of Battery

Less damage, but you'll only need Google in Reds

[novel topaz]

mine are a good 30% less than yours. working on perfect weather for now

[haughty wing]

Yeah, each HQ upgrade adds about 8-8.5%

[novel topaz]

what's the max now

[haughty wing]

I have this much, the next one would take months

[fresh steeple]

I think the changelog said there is no max (it caps when the cost reaches e308 or smth)

[haughty wing]

Fireball could probably get some more upgrades with the power of infinite Resources 😄

[fathom ermine]

e308, I think.

[fathom ermine]

I could, but can't really be bothered to farm more.

[novel topaz]

Getting 100e21 will take a while

[haughty wing]

2-3 weeks, yeah

Make sure to get some Crates with the new idle

[novel topaz]

3x-ed them already

[haughty wing]

With the new Artifact and also a small upgrade to Yellow

New Yellow is up + some more tips on increasing damage on Yellow and Purple

[cobalt sapphire]

nice went from this to this with some extremely basic 1 minute no mess no fuss frag idling setting for tonight before sleep. (last 5-10 with wife giving me stink eye 😄 )
Thanks for all your hard work as always mp! much appreciated

[haughty wing]

You're welcome 😄

[cobalt sapphire]

@haughty wing what do you mean by "With e23 HQ"

[haughty wing]

I have the e23 upgrade

[ancient knoll]

make it to mt23

[calm yoke]

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[haughty wing]

That's some really old stuff

[calm yoke]

oh
what do u suggest
i didnt do farming back then
i was just inf farming for my chaos imp

i wanted to try the newer ones but missing few stuffs

[haughty wing]

Ahh, I see. Try altering the new ones, I guess? Or the old ones, to get them to 9-10 Contracts, that could also work

[calm yoke]

ok i got the missing parts but i think i have been away for too long i am struggling with doing it

[haughty wing]

Make sure to read the instructions, some of them require downtiering modules and such. There are also instructions for increasing damage on Purple and Yellow

And you can always do lower difficulties, e.g. ChNm instead of ChImp

[calm yoke]

i tried to read them but not sure if all is there?

[calm yoke]

i did try nm but idk if i should lower even more?

[haughty wing]

On Anvil you want what is called a Pentalock: Tower Damage, Nature, Light, Darkness, Earth

It happens about once a week, but you can time travel to one

Tier ~100 modules are a bit on the low side, yeah

[calm yoke]

hmm?
any date? or guide on dates

[haughty wing]

I have Unix timestamps in the pinned here, Sat Mar 08 2025 01:28:33 GMT+0000 is a pretty good one

Make sure to backup your save before time traveling, just in case, and do it with the game open to avoid messing with offline time - and close Chrome before doing it

Chrome will log you out from everything if you mess with system time

[calm yoke]

oh ok was thinking what does chrome relate to

<t:2333509200> was it like this?

yes works

i tried the pins

[haughty wing]

That is the best one, but changing the clock by this much can get messy sometimes

Hence why I also included the 2025 one

[calm yoke]

<t:1741397313>

wait

alr

[calm yoke]

isnt that hexa lock?

[haughty wing]

No, Hexa is May 4th 2024

[calm yoke]

i have 6 boost tho

[haughty wing]

What is the 6th one?

[haughty wing]

Hexalock is specifically Pentalock + Tower Testing XP (but the damage buff on it is smaller, the damage stars are in worse positions)

Yeah, the Electricity buff won't do anything

Since nothing uses Electric damage

[calm yoke]

btw any suggestion on ability casts?

[fathom ermine]

AI should do them.

[calm yoke]

alr red works on nm rn

but the issue is i didnt farm inf there :D

[haughty wing]

Yeah, AI should handle the casts, just make sure to have both ExtremeAI and the Toolkit

[calm yoke]

yeah i got them

it didnt survive long tho

[novel topaz]

Go to the highest dark or chaos region difficulty you can survive

Set a new idle, level up modules, repeat

Get whatever you are running to 100B infinities first

[finite nexus]

Can I just say I'm kind of happy that time travel became an accepted part of the meta

[haughty wing]

I think it should be just possible to do it in-game, like a field for a Unix timestamp in the Anvil screen

[tall jewel]

I personally will never use it but don't care if anyone else does

[calm yoke]

i used to time travel on lot of games so i am used to it :D

[heady reef]

is the 1x speed for lag reasons or do you get worse yields if you increase the speed

[haughty wing]

Kind of both? Theoretically, at really fast and stable fps, there should be no difference

[heady reef]

alright

[haughty wing]

Oh, but if you want to do x3, then you need to modify the advice on Yellow to 180 fps, and also modify the Lag Saver to match

Since Borf builds in particular have the best kill rate at speed x 60 fps

[heady reef]

noted, but i mean those aren't supposed to run for hours so i guess i can be patient ^^

[haughty wing]

I mean... We did run them for up to 20h in the past to get 1 extra Secure and thus a 2% higher idle 😄

[heady reef]

haha

what is T220 Executive

[haughty wing]

But that was mainly 'cos there were no other goals to pursue

The Executive is a module that adds Resources and Fragments

T220 means that I have it on Tier 220

[heady reef]

oh right

so the 3 things for more fragments are, the executive tier, the exotic gems spent on contracts and the number of artifacts

[haughty wing]

3 things that need to be noted, 'cos they might vary between people who otherwise run the same BP in the same place

Other things that matter are lane count, difficulty, kill rate, and orders of magnitude on the Infinity counter

[heady reef]

hmmmm a bit on the low side but more exo gems in contracts and going from 10B to 100B infinities should make that decent :)

thank you mp!

[haughty wing]

You're welcome! And yeah, gotta start somewhere 😄

[heady reef]

is 1e7 what people are getting those days or is it even higher?

as a "reasonable" goal

[haughty wing]

As far as I know, mine are the highest in existence, excluding cheated accounts

So a more reasonable goal would be something like half of that? 2/3?

[heady reef]

okidok :D

so almost 1e6 wasn't that bad for a start neat

[polar cosmos]

these are mine, still havent done blue yet

[heady reef]

how are people getting exotic gems in late game those days, shipments or producers?

[tall jewel]

#infinity-phase , but shipments with water stone

[heady reef]

for the purple one eternal wall seems to be making enemies too tanky is there any replacement?

[haughty wing]

It can be replaced with Dice of Fate tiered down to 1, although that will add some RNG (it might require a few attempts to get a clean run). Uni. Shield tier 1 might also work, although it could result in slightly lower kps

Removing EW will also lower the bonus from Dark Sacrifice, but that might be a net gain in places that aren't ChImp 100b, I suppose

[orchid hawk]

in first focus the best is grow up red and up module to max lvl i can?

[haughty wing]

They're all useful, but yes, Red will probably get you the most

[orchid hawk]

my stat actually

possible my anvil little low

[haughty wing]

You might boost the non-Red ones a little bit, it should be fairly quick

E.g. the Yellow one will be just 5h of idle time

[orchid hawk]

for yellow i don t have hte nullifying aura for the build :/

[haughty wing]

You can put Google's instead

[orchid hawk]

i have try :p

[haughty wing]

Extreme Red has been updated with Divine Blessing - and it has enough attack speed that it might be able to carry it even if it's the only source of lethal

[nova scarab]

what stats i need for it?
i have modules on tier 180 but i still dying on impossibles

[haughty wing]

Strong Anvil look might also be needed. Red and Blue should be more forgiving in terms of stats, Yellow and Purple are very hard to run on ChImp

But if Impossibles don't work, you should still get good results on Chaos Nightmare 100b

(But for Blue make sure to get Water stones in Museum and use Water Infinity buff)

[nova scarab]

i have on red multiplayer in billions

[nova scarab]

okay, I'll try

[haughty wing]

You want a Pentalock, a lock that has Nature, Light, Earth, Darkness, and Tower Damage all at once

It happens about once per week, and there are some Unix timestamps for them in the pins

[fluid olive]

That often? Then what's the thing with anvil that is supposed to happen in 2038 or sth like that?

[haughty wing]

It's the best known one

You get more out of your Fragments if the stars are closer to the center of the circle

And that one has the best known configuration

(Note that this is only true for Fragments held in hand: hammered-in Fragments will always perform the same, regardless of where in the circle they land)

(But you do want to hammer at the center of the circle, 'cos that gives a bigger permanent bonus)

[fluid olive]

Ah, so it's just what I thought, the optimal pentalock is much easier to achieve than the optimal pentahammer

[severe kiln]

@fluid olive has earned the Blaze role!

[haughty wing]

For hammering you get best results if you do Reds and Purple separately

[nova scarab]

i have this

[haughty wing]

The Tower one makes a big difference, it's as impactful as the other 4 combined

[nova scarab]

i need every color stars?

[haughty wing]

Tower, Nature, Light, Darkness, and Earth

Those 5 Damage ones

[nova scarab]

tower damage is purple star?

[tall jewel]

yes

[lavish haven]

trying to run the red idle set rn and am very confused lmao

why run the BP at 1x speed? does the the 100b in the optimal target stand for the infinity, so 100b infinity?

[tall jewel]

the game speed doesn't effect the idle, and less just makes the run more stable

[little magnet]

1x speed = less lag

[tall jewel]

and yes

[lavish haven]

so Id wanna push infinities first before going for the idle setter optimally?

[tall jewel]

yep

[lavish haven]

Im also like, e100 away from 100b inf chimp but thats just skill issue

[tall jewel]

next lowest is dark realm impossible iirc

[haughty wing]

Chaos Nightmare is also pretty good

[orchid hawk]

how many time i need to run for up my idle ? idle just take the pick ?

[fathom ermine]

Idle takes the highest average amount gained over the entire run. Red and yellow can probably run indefinitely, current blue and purple pretty much need to restart after a minute.

[orchid hawk]

ok thx

[haughty wing]

There's an RNG aspect to Blue, so running it multiple times might help a little bit

Some past versions of Purple also had a significant RNG element, although the current one is lighter on it

[fresh steeple]

it's not the highest arevage, just the average ifaik

so if your frag gain starts plummeting, the idle will as well

that's why "only run bp while maitaining peak performance"

[fathom ermine]

I meant across multiple runs.

[fresh steeple]

you meant across all regdiffs

[haughty wing]

I mean, if you do multiple runs with different outcomes, then idle will use the best one

I think that was the meaning

[nova scarab]

why i dont have damage with Ultimate?

[fathom ermine]

Omniversal Damage?

[nova scarab]

now i have 1 kill

[haughty wing]

Have you downtiered the required modules?

[nova scarab]

is this low tier?

[haughty wing]

No, I mean like it says in the instructions

[fathom ermine]

How are your yellows above everything else?

[nova scarab]

because only work for me Yellow blueprint

but idk why

[polar cosmos]

what is the tier of the last ultimate module in the blueprint?

[haughty wing]

Purple modules starting from Division Shield should be tier 1, and Neutral Gift also level 0

[nova scarab]

all same

[haughty wing]

Why is it changed around?

[fathom ermine]

Maybe an older version?

[haughty wing]

It should have 51 modules and in slightly different order

Possibly

This should be the top

[nova scarab]

i have bad blueprint?

[haughty wing]

And this the bottom of Purples

[haughty wing]

Seems like an old version, yeah

The ones pinned at the top are the current ones

[fathom ermine]

(Conductor is harmless, I think...)

[nova scarab]

WTF is this module?

[haughty wing]

I kind of threw them in there on a just-in-case basis

I didn't test if all are dangerous

[haughty wing]

You can replace it with Google's

Also, there's a new AI that goes with the new BPs

And it also needs #1443730433081872574

[polar cosmos]

immortality shield should also be harmless given the speed, but it makes sense to kill it as much as possible

[fathom ermine]

Nullifying Aura:

"it appears for those who find it most useful"
reduces debuff resistance
unlockable only in Infinity

[haughty wing]

One thing to note is that those procedures used to be for DRImp

Where enemies would sometimes get to use skills

[nova scarab]

still have small problem

[polar cosmos]

did you not turn on the light stone?

[fresh steeple]

do you have light stone active?

[haughty wing]

Like I said, you'll need #1443730433081872574

On top of Extreme AI

[nova scarab]

yes

[fresh steeple]

that's it charged

but is it used

look in toggles

[fresh steeple]

I see

[haughty wing]

Also, you don't need Turbo for this - it doesn't even work in 1.0 anymore if I recall

Do toggle this one, though

[nova scarab]

okay but still have same problem

[haughty wing]

Have you imported and enabled #1443730433081872574 ?

[polar cosmos]

death to neutral in a region with no neutral, what modules does the enemy copy?

[haughty wing]

Omniversal most likely

[polar cosmos]

my guess would be omni and neutral gift, and death to unlimited neutral means that neutral gift has not been downtiered

or you have no neutral resistance at all

[haughty wing]

Yeah, that was my thought, too

[nova scarab]

yep

[haughty wing]

Does the bottom of your Purples look like this?

[haughty wing]

All right, this part looks good

[fathom ermine]

Does the top package having all scripts active matter?

[nova scarab]

why you i dont have natural gift on zero level?

[haughty wing]

It detects the BP now, so it's fine

[haughty wing]

All the Puples starting from Division Shield should be Tier 1, and Neutral Gift also Level 0

[nova scarab]

with zero lvl natural gift now work, thanks

[polar cosmos]

neutral gift killed your damage and gave the enemies way too much damage

[nova scarab]

okay

i have 2/4 :D

[haughty wing]

Nice 😄

Red and Blue are pretty easy to use

Although you need to change damage type in Infinity Stones for Blue

Water instead of Nature

And some Water Stones in Museum would also be good

[nova scarab]

i need change all or some nature to water?

[haughty wing]

Try just some first

It might be good enough

[nova scarab]

with some i die instantly but with all i live 1 second but still die

[haughty wing]

Do you have this toggled?

[nova scarab]

okay my bad

[haughty wing]

Oh, and right

Fix Sky Blessing for Blue

It's on Tier 1 for Purple, but Tier MAX for Blue

So like this

[nova scarab]

okay its working

i have all :D

[haughty wing]

Yay 😄

[nova scarab]

now i need get Nullifying Aura but IDK how right now

[haughty wing]

There are some hints for it

[upbeat cove]

How did you manage to achieve 1e7/sec fragments?

I am 2e6 fragments per second

My All modules Tier is 150

[haughty wing]

HQ Contracts upgraded to e23 Exo Gems, and I ran most of those BPs at ChImp 100b (Blue on ChNm 100b)

Also all Artifacts, and Tier 220 Executive

[trim salmon]

is the fragment farm still work?

[haughty wing]

Yes

[foggy furnace]

executive

how to get the executive?

[haughty wing]

Something about using the Water stone for Shipments

The Stone might need to be fast enough or such

[orchid hawk]

did you have same for town ressources and town XP pls? i want to push my town lvl

[little magnet]

town xp is just max kills per second, which any good bp already does

resourses in #1446967156343443456

[orchid hawk]

thx

[novel topaz]

Only getting 9.494e6 on yellow. I have all contracts and artifacts. Penta lock for now

I had to add in the damage modules, so that could be a bit of it

Still big improvement

[haughty wing]

Each will shift it by about 2%, so seems right, more or less

Either that, or you forgot about the 60 fps 😄

HQ level could also make a difference, dunno if there was enough time since 1.0 to get it to e23

[novel topaz]

I was at 120, but will down shift

[orchid hawk]

i have try so many thing and i finally i m here
in red one i can launch in high tier (nightmare 14) without problem the yellow little less than red but its ok but blue and purple i die if i don t go in rly less difficulty... probably my mod little low idk

[haughty wing]

For Purple make sure to read the instructions, it requires setting certain modules to Tier 1 or else it'll massively nerf you

And for Blue you need to switch to Water damage in Infinity Panel, and get at least some Water stones in Museum

Water on Anvil might also help

Yellow also has some instructions on how to get more damage (at the cost of the BP becoming slightly less optimized, but it might be worth it)

[orchid hawk]

i have try to follow instruction for purple if i setmodules to T1 i die instantly

[fresh steeple]

you must only set certain purples to T1, not all

[orchid hawk]

when i just set division shield to T1 i die instantly

[fresh steeple]

it's not the only one

the most important one is neutral gift

T1 lvl 0

[orchid hawk]

y but i have try to downgrade like instruction said and not work idk

[haughty wing]

This is what it should look like, just to be sure:

Also, are you using #1443730433081872574 ?

[orchid hawk]

y exactly

y i use toolkit ia

[haughty wing]

Can you post a screenshot of what kills you?

[orchid hawk]

y i try actually

is for purple

[haughty wing]

Looks correct, seems like you're slightly short on damage

And the toughest enemies get through

[orchid hawk]

so i need to upgrade anvil dmg ?

[haughty wing]

There are some Instructions on the BP on how to get more damage from it, like adding Shoreline. If that's not enough, then yeah, Anvil or module tiers, or Cubos stuff etc.

[orchid hawk]

in te infinity pannel this is not count for fragment drop?

[haughty wing]

Nope

This is just for White Cubes

[orchid hawk]

okey

[haughty wing]

So you want to have the e40 one

[orchid hawk]

i have it y

i go try to up my anvil

i my lvl module

thx for advice

[haughty wing]

You're welcome. Did you get Blue running?

[orchid hawk]

i go try

[haughty wing]

(Just remember to fix Sky Blessing when using Blue after Purple - it should be max tier on Blue)

[orchid hawk]

It seems to work in insane mode

i think i need to afk for up my module

[haughty wing]

On Blue you used the e40 damage for Water? And you have some Water stones in Museum?

[orchid hawk]

for blue i have rly upgrade so i think is better now

for my museum

is just purple i miss something i go try more

[haughty wing]

That's not bad, you can use #1429798403931373720 to swap to optimal layouts for each damage type (it's controlled by pressing N, W, and D; it also only buys T1 stones, so you need to use the Infinity power to level them up)

[haughty wing]

Have you tried those steps on Purple? They'll add a lot of damage

[orchid hawk]

i have shoreline i go try some swap for rest

he work in nightmare but don't grow up my income :/

for farm fragment what is the best town perk build? mine is probably bad

[haughty wing]

Your Nightmare is two orders of magnitude lower than your Insane - enemies on your Insane drop 8 Fragments, and the NM ones just 6. NM then gets a 1.15x multiplier, but that's still less than 8

[orchid hawk]

y i need to push in nightmare i thinkk

i go push some infinity and retry

[haughty wing]

Split between Damage and Museum Stones Buff equally. You can throw in some spare points into things related to Resources, but that's not very important (Resources help with Tower Testing XP and faster module secures)

[orchid hawk]

i go burnorf in nightmare a little for up and try it later thx a lot^^

[haughty wing]

Lag Burner from #1444070286608826548 should be better than BurnORF 😄

[orchid hawk]

hmmm i go check that...its long for me when i try new thing i need to traduct all or i understand nothing XD but thx i go check that

i have switch to lag burner if hope is faster xD thx

[haughty wing]

Speed is about the same, but it has a lot more damage and better lag resistance

[orchid hawk]

possible is better i do fragment push in nightmare 14 ? i m high in it

before push nightmare 15?

[haughty wing]

Hm, they will drop 11 Fragments, but there are only 4 lanes, so that's just 40% of Chaos

11 x 0.4 = 4.4, which is less than the 6 you get on ChNm

[orchid hawk]

ho.... so its better i push in chaos high infinty and try latter so?

[haughty wing]

Yeah, Chaos should be better

[orchid hawk]

ok you think is better i push chaos nightmare or insane ? or try to push impossible but i think i m low dmg for it

[haughty wing]

Nightmare, probably?

[orchid hawk]

okey^^ i go let it push a long time so xD

[calm yoke]

purple need to look like this right?

[haughty wing]

Yes, but Sky Blessing too

And Neutral Gift should be best at level 0, there seems to be a bit left in this one

[calm yoke]

oh yeah i made it accidentally a bit wrong

[limber ginkgo]

how do i make neutral gift lvl 0

[haughty wing]

With the Anvil button

It can Reforge the Tier and Level of a module

Assuming you have the Forge unlocked

[orchid hawk]

after a rush to 100b in nightmare choas purple and blue doesn t work...but for yellow and red is rly fine :p

[haughty wing]

On Blue, are you stacking Water damage? Like the e40 and some Power Stones in Museum?

Weird that Purple doesn't work, how much damage is it doing?

Yellow should actually have less damage than Purple, esp. after module swaps

So it's really strange when Yellow works, but Purple doesn't in the same place

[orchid hawk]

for blue i do all on blue just no swith power stone but i can go try
and for purple idk i have do all like i need i think i have check 2 time all...idk

[haughty wing]

Another thing to keep in mind is Sky Blessing: it should be tier 1 on Purple, but tier max on Blue

[orchid hawk]

i have swap sky blessing for shoreline so

[haughty wing]

All right, that works on Purple

What Tier is Omniversal Damage in Purple?

[orchid hawk]

my purple module are just 150 actually

is the next step xD

[haughty wing]

Hm

Maybe swap Omniversal Damage for Nature Attack then

[orchid hawk]

dead :/

[haughty wing]

It should be doing more damage than Yellow for sure now, hm

Can you post a screenshot of how it dies?

[orchid hawk]

idk what you want xDif i need to show you something say me

[haughty wing]

So it's killing some stuff 'cos you got XP, hm

What do the Era powers look like? All disabled?

[orchid hawk]

y all

[haughty wing]

And Purple modules? Can you show which ones are Tier 1 in the BP?

[haughty wing]

That also looks fine

[orchid hawk]

xD idk why in yellow work and not in purple

i just swap build to yellow and work actually

just the module swap

[haughty wing]

How much damage are they dealing? Yellow and Purple?

[orchid hawk]

how i can see?

this?

in yellow

[haughty wing]

In options turn on "floating numbers"

I think it's in graphics

(But turn it off afterwards, it really slows the game)

Or maybe it's floating text

This

[orchid hawk]

this?

[haughty wing]

Yeah

[orchid hawk]

for yellow this

[haughty wing]

Ok, that's more than enough for Nightmare

[orchid hawk]

in purple

[haughty wing]

Hm, that's also more than enough, how are they surviving

[orchid hawk]

is this

[haughty wing]

Ahhh

Right

I optimized this for ChImp and forgot about lower difficulties

Swap Eternal Wall for another Purple, like one of the ones you removed

Eternal Wall does nothing on ChImp 100b for them

But it does a lot everywhere else

[orchid hawk]

immortality shield T1?

HO YEAH its fine haha

[haughty wing]

Yeah 😄

[orchid hawk]

thx a lot

i go try without remove all purple

[haughty wing]

I'll add a note to instructions, sorry about that

[orchid hawk]

no problem you take time to help me xD

its normal i finish to die about 1 min run?

[haughty wing]

It should run 80s and then restart

Blue runs 60s

[orchid hawk]

nice one

[haughty wing]

Yup!

[orchid hawk]

i need to retry without remove all purple

for win a little more

now i go check why blue no work

[haughty wing]

Start with checking the damage

[orchid hawk]

is rly low?

[haughty wing]

Yeah, it needs to be close to e230

[orchid hawk]

ho fuck its hard XD

[haughty wing]

Is this with e40 from Infinity Stones?

[orchid hawk]

y

i can switch my museum to all blue

[haughty wing]

It might help, but probably won't be enough

[orchid hawk]

ho

i jsut need to run in lower difficult?

[haughty wing]

Yeah

[orchid hawk]

okey

i go try to up my crate prod now thx a lot^^

[haughty wing]

This gains a low with tiers, it seems

e45 difference, wild

[orchid hawk]

my blue are 170 but ok

[haughty wing]

That's Purple

[orchid hawk]

i go wait somoe afk time for up my module

ho ok

i have too less dmg for up crate in chaos nightmare xD i need to wait for up my module now ....XD

[haughty wing]

Crate? You mean White Resources cubes?

[orchid hawk]

y

[haughty wing]

Try with #1444100849268822137 , esp. the 1997 should work

[orchid hawk]

thx i go check that^^

how many time is good for resources cubes? let the run long or like fragment 1 min around?

[haughty wing]

A few minutes at x1 speed

At least 1 minute, but a bit longer should be slightly better

[orchid hawk]

he take this stat ?

[haughty wing]

Yup

I think it'll also multiply this stat by 3 to make the idle

[orchid hawk]

ok last run i leave and no change the number xD i think leave to fast

[haughty wing]

Make sure to do all the things: Resource boosters in Factory, skills, x10k boost in Infinity (if you can survive without the e40)

[orchid hawk]

i have all for ressource 99% of time XD

i think is not bad actualy

[haughty wing]

It's pretty good, yeah

[orchid hawk]

is this stat important?

for the total

[haughty wing]

Yes

[orchid hawk]

thx a lot for all advice and guide is rly helpful

i go wait some afk for up my module now

and wait for lvl 1000 town xd

[haughty wing]

You might want to set XP idle before you hit 1000

You get more XP from Kat's Artifact if you're under 1000

[orchid hawk]

hmmm ?

set xp idle?

here?

[haughty wing]

In Winterland equip toys with XP bonus, like this one:

And then just run a max kps BP in Chaos Nightmare for a few minutes, it doesn't need to be any specific one, you can use the Red Fragments one or the Resource one

It can go really high

[orchid hawk]

ho i think i have do it when i farm fragmet red no?

in the event if i combine 3 leg whant is the result ? xD

[haughty wing]

Better leg

It'll have higher stats than any of the combined ones

[orchid hawk]

hooo fine okey

[haughty wing]

If you combine enough, it'll eventually be perfect - all orange text

[haughty wing]

You can do it any time before the event ends, but the lower level you are, the more XP bonus from Kat's you'll be getting

So the idle will be higher if done sooner

[orchid hawk]

ho.... is rly important? i never make idle on xp xD

[haughty wing]

You later get an item that allows going above level 1000, kind of, but it's really hungry for XP

At that point having an XP idle can help a lot

You won't need the idle for a while, but you can only get it in December, sooo

[orchid hawk]

i have make some xp factor and go try to up it ^^

[haughty wing]

Yup

[orchid hawk]

i never check this before XD

i m with bigshot and hte idle don t grow xD

[haughty wing]

Did you increase the Town XP Factor? You need to equip a bunch of Toys with XP boosts

[orchid hawk]

i do xD

[haughty wing]

It also has an Anvil star, but the Toys are the most important ones, they can get it really high

[haughty wing]

If you click on Town XP Factor, how much are you getting from Toys?

[haughty wing]

I think they can go up to x3.25

Yeah, you can get a lot more from Toys if you upgrade them

[orchid hawk]

i do nt have rly good focus on event i don t have rly good toy xD

[haughty wing]

And this will go lower the closer to 1000 you are

[orchid hawk]

y i see that

[haughty wing]

It's not super important, I suppose, but it's nice to have

[orchid hawk]

better? xD

[haughty wing]

Yup 😄

[orchid hawk]

okey not bad XD

[haughty wing]

Yeah 😄

[limber ginkgo]

im trying to farm blue fragments but i die after 1 sec

[haughty wing]

How much damage are you dealing? Is the e40 Water boost active?

[limber ginkgo]

yes

[haughty wing]

And how much is the damage? And is Sky Blessing maxed out?

[limber ginkgo]

sky blessing is currently level 180

[haughty wing]

That's good then, and the damage?

[limber ginkgo]

no damage

[haughty wing]

It doesn't show any numbers when they touch Spikes?

[limber ginkgo]

no

[haughty wing]

Is "Floating Text" turned on in the Graphics?

[limber ginkgo]

turned on

[haughty wing]

And still no damage at all?

[limber ginkgo]

no

[haughty wing]

Huh, can you post a screenshot

[haughty wing]

Something is wrong with the AI, are you using the current version?

[limber ginkgo]

yes

[haughty wing]

Also, Turbo (TE) doesn't work in 1.0, so you don't need that

No, this is old AI

New AI doesn't have LagSaver in ExtremeAI, it was moved to Toolkit

AI should look like this

[haughty wing]

That's a bit better, but how much is QSg 😄

[haughty wing]

Ah, I meant your damage, how much are the spikes dealing to them. But you got some XP, so some are dying

Are all Era powers getting disabled?

[limber ginkgo]

yes

[haughty wing]

Can you screenshot bottom of the Blueprint? Purple and Orange modules?

[haughty wing]

Hm, looks fine

Does it work on Chaos Insane?

[limber ginkgo]

on lower infinity

[haughty wing]

Best guess that your damage is just on the line for Nightmare - high enough to kill most, but the toughest enemies get through

Can you get more Water damage from Museum or Skills?

[sullen pewter]

for locking grid anvil times, can i set my pc time to those times and somehow freeze pc time then?

[haughty wing]

You don't need to freeze, it's not super precise

Just backup your save (never had trouble, but just in case), change the time while the game is running, grab the lock, change the time back

The stars will stay locked as long as you don't move the circle

Even if they're no longer inside

Also, close Chrome and such while manipulating system time, otherwise it'll liely log you out from everything

[sullen pewter]

alright, so game can stay running, just choose any penta or hexalock for and that would be about it? Or does every color have a specific lock thats better for the color?

[haughty wing]

For Red, Yellow and Purple it's the same

Blue needs Water damage, so it'll benefit from Waterlock, if you're short

[sullen pewter]

ok

thx

im still dying instantly on r15 impossible, without killing a single enemy

something like this then? This should be Hexalock

[little magnet]

hexalock that is pentalock

since 0 people care about water

[sullen pewter]

well just selected what is called pentalock in the pinned message

its at something like this, but im not killing anything

i enabled nature damage infinity stone

[little magnet]

your anvil damage boosts seem low

[sullen pewter]

im doing this to get them higher

[fathom ermine]

Then you probably shouldn't be at Impossible.

[sullen pewter]

so just do it at r15 best possible difficulty, set some random idle, farm up some better permanent anvil stat, repeat?

[little magnet]

or dark realm

[sullen pewter]

btw i have the Toolkit software enabled but it does start at my highest infinite, does the current infinity influence the idle stat? Or should it just be inf 1?

[fathom ermine]

Infinity affects how many modules they can copy, which affects Fragments/s.

[sullen pewter]

with the purple extreme bp i cant even survive 5 seonds on medium dark realm

inf 500k or something

and if i use toolkit i cant manually disable Wave Restart

yeah cant even survive region 1 on easy

its correct to reforge purple modules to tier 1, yeah?

[fathom ermine]

Some of them.

[sullen pewter]

i thought all except neutral gift which should also be t1 but lvl 0?

[haughty wing]

It should be Tower, Nature, Light, Earth, Darkness

[haughty wing]

Only a few of them

Starting from Division Shield and below in the BP

And Neutral Gift also to Level 0, yeah

But others, esp. Omni Damage, should be maxed

[haughty wing]

You can check the damage you're dealing by turning Floating Text on in the graphics

A screenshot of how you die could also help

[fresh steeple]

what was/is the bug with omni damage you mentioned

[haughty wing]

The main one is that it gains massive damage when paired with Nature Taste on a Nature BP - it seems to be double dipping into some bonuses (probably also true for other tastes)

[fresh steeple]

weird

[haughty wing]

It's also the most annoying one, as it prevents a version of Purple with much higher damage (but also less efficient) from being legal, so I can't list it

[fresh steeple]

it should behave as every "attack" module combined

with equal damage in each

how they messed it up

[haughty wing]

But I also found weirder stuff: on a Nature BP with Town Damage disabled it seems to gain big bonuses from ST3 and Omega Synergy, but only in ChImp

Big as in e25-30 scale

I brought it up a few times to Matt, he says that this bug goes really deep into how damage is processed

Apparently " a lot of independent damage instances during one module action which can trigger all sorts of side effects"

[fresh steeple]

In no omniverse can I see how a bug like this exists

are there any other modules which deal multiple damages?

[haughty wing]

Yeah, I have no idea how that ChImp one is happening, maybe those modules allow it to bypass the damage disable somehow

[haughty wing]

Hm, I think there was something that did static damage + % based damage

Like one of the Auras maybe

But dunno if that counts as two

And it's also not a projectile

[fresh steeple]

firestorm ig, but it prob makes one damage instance with the right damage

yeah

[fresh steeple]

I'd expect these to be equivalent, since elemental attack modules are probably adjacent in module execution order,
this one would simply smush them into one module being processed

[haughty wing]

Matt also said that the main issue with fixing this is that nothing is strictly speaking bugging out: everything works as intended, and a fix would require a rewrite of the damage system, or some elaborate fix just for Omni

[fresh steeple]

the rewrite is overdue with how many layers there are,
elemental, resistance, armor, base damage/damage buff/"crits" distictions

hp/shield division/power, instakills

finally make no module share the same execution priority, or not rely on it at all, and handle via improved systems above

[haughty wing]

Yeah, would be nice if things worked as expected 😄

[severe kiln]

@haughty wing has earned the Infernal Fire role!

[haughty wing]

Huh

[haughty wing]

Oh, right, about the Hexalock, it is Pentalock + TTXP, but the positions of stars are bad, so it only really works with hammered stuff. I'd recommend just grabbing the good pentalock from 2025

[sullen pewter]

ah okay thanks!

[haughty wing]

Have you managed to get Purple to work?

[limber ginkgo]

how do i get those locks

[polar cosmos]

change your computer time

[limber ginkgo]

what is the best museum layout

[tall jewel]

for daybloom blueprints iirc its 5:5:4:4 nature:light:darkness:earth

also apparently you might want some water stones for blue

[limber ginkgo]

i used the museum ai to create a layout

[dull roost]

am i meant to leave all the ais enabled or just the ones for their respective colors and main?

[haughty wing]

All are fine, it should detect which BP you're using

[dull roost]

... i think my damage is too low to use these

[haughty wing]

Red should have pretty decent damage, and there are some tips on adding more to Yellow and Purple

[dull roost]

i'll try those

[haughty wing]

If you post a death screenshot I can see if everything is going as it should

[dull roost]

i guess i'll try it on chaos and send it but i don't run chaos much so it's low for me

even this low this is not working for me

i have the water damage stone on

[haughty wing]

Most of the AI seems to be absent

[dull roost]

:?

[haughty wing]

Looks fine in here, dunno why nothing shows in the upper left in the screenshot

[dull roost]

oh cuz i disabled that

was using a mine script and it was filling up the left of my screen

i turned it back on

[haughty wing]

Ah, ok

[haughty wing]

How much damage are you dealing? What tier is Sky Blessing?

[dull roost]

this is the damage

and 110 sky blessing

[haughty wing]

Damage looks pretty close compared to what's in the corner, maybe some Water stones in the Museum could do it

You can use #1429798403931373720 to quickly fill the Museum with [W]ater, [N]ature, or Neutral [D]. It'll buy them at level 1, though, so you'll need to use the Inf. Stones to level them up

[dull roost]

interesting

i got like 15 more 50 tier waters and nothing changed

maybe i messed up somewhere? burnorfl worked fine and i could push pretty far

[haughty wing]

BurnORF will have more damage than those 'cos it's a pusher, and things like Lag Burner or Zoltraak would have more still

[dull roost]

yeah makes sense, but is this for like, super post-game players

[haughty wing]

Maybe not super, but yeah, running those on higher Chaos difficulties does have some significant stat requirements

[haughty wing]

And Skill points are also split up between Attack and the Stones? If so then I guess the last thing to try would be getting an Anvil lock with Water + Tower damage

Damage on Spikes, for example, grows pretty quickly with both Blue and Purple modules, so you can get a lot more pretty fast by tiering those up

[dull roost]

never thought about that anvil thing

[haughty wing]

It should add a few orders of magnitude, might be enough

Also, if Extreme Red isn't running, you can set a fairly decent Red idle with #1444100849268822137

It should have way more damage than BurnORF, esp. the 1997 variant

[haughty wing]

Just ran a proof-of-concept for a 6 secures Extreme Red run, and it seems that it's going to be easier than expected

It only took 3 seconds to get 5 secures

Uptime on Awareness isn't 100%, but it's close

2 seconds after adding the x10k thing

[haughty wing]

6 Secures run:

I could also do one for Yellow and maybe even Blue (I'll need to check if Beyond Blue can be restored for 1.0), but it doesn't seem worth it

[swift aspen]

is e210 damage on extreme blue considered low?

e206 on resist

[haughty wing]

It'd be enough for ChIns 100b

But not ChNM 100b

[swift aspen]

oof

yeah seems like i blundered

[haughty wing]

It's pretty decent overall

[swift aspen]

DRImp 100b is not doable with my current stats

[haughty wing]

Oh, I don't think anyone can run Blue over there

I'm pretty far from it myself, at least

[swift aspen]

wow thats a real blunder i made there

no wonder why no one doesn't talk about extreme blue on DRImp

[haughty wing]

I also recall DR being kind of bad for it, 'cos enemies spawn really far away

It works a lot better on Chaos

[haughty wing]

I was just barely able to run this

Purple with Dark Sac. swapped for Dice of Fate

Yellow advanced to Checkboard Aura:

But I can't remove DS from that

So that'll be the next upgrade for it, I guess

I could theoretically take that last one to 6 secures, but it'd take a few times longer than on Red

So not worth bothering with

[haughty wing]

So a 5-secures run is possible on Purple, but ehhh

I was barely able to do it with my stats + event buffs, and it's unstable when running with just ST1 + Hurricane (ST1 and 2 alternation was needed)

So it died shortly after the 5th secure and kps was a bit bumpy

[polar cosmos]

i need to quickly fix my stats so i can run these i guess

[haughty wing]

Managed to do a little bit better with AI, but it still rando-died during an ST1 phase

BP and AI patch for this variant, I guess:
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

But I can just barely run this while having enough XP bonuses for it to make sense

[reef canyon]

I dont think this is working for me or Im doing something wrong. It like auto pauses and strats over and over, super slow. is this how the script is suppose to work with the AI and blueprint? Or is there something Im doing wrong? I tried anabling only RED or RED stable or main etc. or all of them. am I missing something?

[fathom ermine]

Are you missing #1443730433081872574?

[reef canyon]

ya I have that. Let me show u how I have it and see whar u think. ill take screen shot

[fathom ermine]

Okay, another question: do you have 120 FPS? That's the default set by Red AI for LagSaver.

[reef canyon]

I have it on unlimited but this may matter: I am playing in the browser on https://games.fs-studios.com/games/perfecttower2

instead of game on PC

but it seems to be high framerate

[fathom ermine]

Is VSync on?

[fathom ermine]

Hmm... well, a way to check FPS is with a script.

[reef canyon]

ok

I wonder why im getting this spam pause unpause thing

[fathom ermine]

Okay, so it does get above 120 when paused, so it unpauses. When trying to run TT, it goes below 120, so it pauses.

[reef canyon]

so is ita limitation and caused by fps not high enough?

[fathom ermine]

Yeah, that's how LagSaver works.

[reef canyon]

is there a way to save my game progress and export to a game on my acrual PC instead of playing in browser on my macbook pro?

I prefer playing on macbook but if im idling just letting it run than PC is fine

[fathom ermine]

You can try to link your Fire Sword Studios account with your Steam account in the game.

[reef canyon]

so i do I have all these AIs running at the exact same time then

[fathom ermine]

Don't remember if it's done on Steam or on web.

[reef canyon]

ok cool let me see if I can do that then maybe this will work

thanks for all your help

also, can i disable lagsaver? or sill that not really work and Ill die? do I keep 3x speed on?

I tried disabling lagsaver I just die instantly lol. startign at inf

1*

[fathom ermine]

Can I disable LagSaver?
You can, but it'll be susceptible to lag spikes. And those are deadly.
Do I keep 3x speed on?
For idle setting, we found out that 1x is marginally better.

[sleek crystal]

to maximize fragments, i should be at a inf level that's just over 10^n, yes? like 101, 1001, 10001 etc

[fathom ermine]

Doesn't really matter. We simply use Wave Restart. (Well, we are at 100B Infinities usually, but that's late game.)

[sleek crystal]

yeah, i'm not lol

i just got all the infs to 70 for the... thing that requires that

so now i'm wondering if i'd get fragments faster if it were at 100+, since # of mimics increases at that point

[fathom ermine]

You would, yeah.

[sleek crystal]

ok then

to 100 it is (or 1000 if my specs can handle it)

[sleek crystal]

is there a way to force the game to start from a fixed infinity level, rather than your previous best?

[fathom ermine]

No.

[haughty wing]

Those are designed for x1 and might have problems at x3 (also depends on your PC). Disabling LagSaver might be fine, but if something keeps activating it then there might be an issue (turning off Floating Text should help with your fps)

[haughty wing]

Can you post a screenshot of how you die? Shouldn't really be happening unless there's some problem

(Also, all scripts should be enabled)

[haughty wing]

I made a long-running version of Blue and did a 5 secures run with it (6 are possible), but it'll stop working when the event ends

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It requires some Cost reduction Toys and benefits from TTXP toys, so Candles work well

After the event Awarness can be swapped for cost reduction yellow, but it won't be quite the same - it'll take a lot longer to get an improvement over Extreme

[haughty wing]

Updated the BPs and AIs with the versions I've managed to run during Christmas + updated the instructions, esp. on how to gain damage on Yellow and Purple

[paper notch]

Possible slight upgrade/sidegrade to red extreme, where I put bulwark instead of hurricane, for extra damage from divine blessing and to save some modules that were solely for the elemental contract.

BP
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Also used inf crit+unholy missile as well as planned strike for extra dmg.

[haughty wing]

Unfortunately it's a downgrade - it reduces kps (original on the right)

[paper notch]

Darn, from hurricane?

[haughty wing]

Yup

That extra range is needed

Also, Unholy Missile only really helps on multi-hit BPs, and works best when paired with Inf. Burst. Extreme Red is meant as a single-hit, so it won't help there

And Inf. Crit doesn't work on Shields, making it ineffective on higher difficulites

[paper notch]

That makes sense

[paper notch]

I'm running on nightmare chaos generally, this whole experiment was to try to survive chimp, honestly

Also changed it to inf attack, to get a good large bonus for second hit, because it seems largely needed for chimp

I keep just dying after killing only a few enemies on chimp

[haughty wing]

Yeah, running idle setters on ChImp requires some good stats

[paper notch]

Do you think the bulwark is worth, though?

[polar cosmos]

how much less powerful is extreme red compared to something like zoltraak?

[paper notch]

At least like e20, more on unlucky hits

[haughty wing]

Well, the DB procs alone will be over e60 lower

And no Harmonizer buff, no Bulwark combo, no SoL

Lower DS, too

[polar cosmos]

and to think, it's already easier to run than in pre 1.0

[paper notch]

Yeah, can almost gurantee inf hits running my dps, while peaking like e293 or so on the idle setter

[haughty wing]

That's not that far, I suppose - a bit more, and Uni. Gift should "catch" and potentially make the difference

[paper notch]

@haughty wing
For the damage?

[haughty wing]

To fully utilize its bonus you need to do a DS/Adv. Heal thing, but I suppose it could provide good buff during the first 30s of a run

[polar cosmos]

what about the contracts?

[haughty wing]

Higher DB procs could be good on a BP with enough attack speed to kill everything with them - but Extreme Red probably doesn't get there

[haughty wing]

It is good for them, yeah - although the 5 Purple limit can force it to be excluded

[haughty wing]

One thing to note, the left one on ChImp will still beat the right one on ChNM

So if you can squeeze out the missing damage at the cost of some kps, it should be worth it

[paper notch]

True, but that would require abandoning glass cannon contract unless I went pure hp for damage, which would kind of defeat the purpose

[haughty wing]

Yup

[paper notch]

Do you know the actual multipliers for the different difficulties?

[haughty wing]

It's 15% more per difficulty

[paper notch]

And with steini I somehow survived like ten seconds, so maybe possible

[haughty wing]

Multiplicative

[paper notch]

if only there was a reactive utility

so close

[haughty wing]

I'd expect swapping out FM also reduces kps

[paper notch]

FM?

[haughty wing]

Focused Multishot

[paper notch]

Forgot I did that, honestly

[haughty wing]

Oh, wait

Don't swap out Battery

That's a big downgrade in damage

As for red modules, try the two missing subs

[paper notch]

Even with the e4 divine blessing buff from health?

[haughty wing]

I don't think it's hitting fast enough to take full advantage of that, buffing the damage on regular hits seems better

In place of those three, try the missing Subs and maybe Light Impetus or Headhunting

Anti-Light Crit might also be worth trying

[paper notch]

That definitely helped. Turning off the software for just a second at the start and violent seeds did the trick, I think.

I don't think any option is better after surviving like a couple of seconds

But yeah, the bulwark swap and the damage for kps tradeoff is definitely worth before I get many more tiers

[haughty wing]

Violent Seeds take a few seconds to get somewhere, so there might be better options for survival

Also, make sure you're getting the Secures you can - Hurricane is on the Secure list for this BP, so if you swapped it out, you'll have to Secure something else

[paper notch]

Did put hurricane back in

just left FM out, prob gonna experiment with that next

[haughty wing]

I'm not sure which one is more important to kps, Hurricane or FM, I'd need top test it

With Hurricane swapped out you were losing only about 1-2%, so not too bad

Hm, might be a bigger loss with lower Anvil Range, though

Or with lower tier attack speed/multishot/bounce etc.

[paper notch]

I've still pumping all the anvil damage I can, just to survive chimp atp.

[haughty wing]

Yeah, I meant like not locked Range

[paper notch]

Also, do you know if there's a specific reason all the secures are for ultimate first? Hurricane and div shield make sense, but was there a point to leaving them utility modules?

[haughty wing]

No real reason, had to be something

[paper notch]

Also, editing the script now so it should attempt both at the threshold

Did we ever figure out if knight's and other toggles affected them? Because it reducing their range seems useful

[haughty wing]

I think someone told me once that they do use toggles, yes

[paper notch]

Neat

[paper notch]

Seems Hurricane tops at about 3619, bottoms at about 3591, while FM tops at about 3608, bottoms at about 3523.
Conclusion: if you can only run one, hurricane is much better, and has a much more steady average, seems to average at about the max KPS, too.

Tested it on ChNm, though, where oneshots are guranteed, and didn't really notice much difference in ChImp, although I think Hurricane had better survivability, as it was less chance based.

FM graph

[haughty wing]

Yeah, seems about right

[paper notch]

Hurricane graph

[paper notch]

Any recommendations? I'm just toggling wave streaming for a little at the start of the run rn, but I don't think there is anything that would be better

[haughty wing]

Dunno what's there in your current version - the ones I mentioned before might do better

[paper notch]

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Also, do you think earth armor and avalanche would be worth swapping battery foundation and hurricane/FM? Seems around a e30 boost

[haughty wing]

No

[paper notch]

Yeah, did not realize how little health I had without foundations

[haughty wing]

Not enough attack speed and you'd just lose the DS bonus and DB damage

[paper notch]

Also, just tested diamond foundation, and they seem somewhat even for KPS. It seems more stable, maybe because it relies more on DB rather than the crits and such?

[haughty wing]

I dunno if extra DB damage will be doing any difference, it's probably already way above normal hits

But once you have enough damage, Uni. Gift will kick in and fill the difference

[paper notch]

Just can't think of what else would be making the graph so much smoother

[paper notch]

True, this and violent seeds too, for a bit anyway

[haughty wing]

Hm, Diamond should actually be causing problems by making enemies tougher

[paper notch]

Good point, forgot about that

That makes it much worse than battery

The stability might then come from the extra health/resistance causing DB to be required, though IDK why that would make it more stable.

[south cypress]

for this how should I set my anvil?

I assume set it in the damage zones

like where I can get the damage of the tower in general and a few others

[haughty wing]

For Red, Purple, and Yellow, set it for Nature damage, yeah

For Blue, you'll need Water damage, maybe also in the Museum, and most certainly in the Infinity Stones

[south cypress]

Can I use this bp for farming even if i have nowhere near of enough damage to get to 100b chaos impossible or nightmare

because the only way I can progress is to farm fragments

[fathom ermine]

Of course you can, you pretty much just need to survive with the BPs.

[south cypress]

Also I read it said "run for a couple minutes" so is that for improving the idle rates or no?

[fathom ermine]

Yeah, because the very beginning doesn't have the perfect rate of Fragments.

[south cypress]

ok

[nova scarab]

1.067e244 ?

[fathom ermine]

Yeah, what about it?

[south cypress]

for water im only doing e122 and i need e200 lol

[haughty wing]

Is that with e40 from Infinity Stones?

[south cypress]

yea

[haughty wing]

I guess you could be better off making a 9 Contract Blue then

Like, take something like Yellow or Purple, remove most Yellow/Purple, add Blue?

[wooden frigate]

This kps graph is very nice, how do I enable that?

[paper notch]

Click on the total enemies killed and select your timeframe

[wooden frigate]

currently only getting roughly 1/3 to 1/2 of the idle values. not all BP work on chaosImp

oh daaangit, I totally missed that, how could I not know that ! so useful.... maybe I forgot hmm

hmm my blue does only e180 dmg...
inf stone is active.

How important are anvil bonuses and museum? They "only" add like e7 and e4 on top?
I dont have a nice anvil placement currently, so not wanting to switch.

reforge are at 175, 165

[haughty wing]

Blue is unlikely to ever reach ChImp, Yellow and Purple require very high stats for it, but there are module swaps listed that can make it easier, at some cost to efficiency

[haughty wing]

Blue grows pretty rapidly with module tiers, getting it to about e240-250 is possible

Museum and Anvil will indeed only add a little bit (grabbing Water + Damage in the Anvil might do more than e7 depending on how you're using it, and Museum can be a pretty high e4), but it might be enough to get you to running it on ChIns 100b

Might also be slightly short, though

[wooden frigate]

Thanks ! So you say first improve module tiers. The blue itself focused, or spread out?

[haughty wing]

I think Purple ones do more for Blue

[paper notch]

For the main scripts, is there a reason you do the value to mod by as one (or two for the focuses) less than the actual duration?

[haughty wing]

If it's not shorter, it might lapse for a brief moment, and that could miss some kills. And I set it a bit lower than that for wiggle room - e.g. if a lag spike hits or something

[paper notch]

Gotcha, so does that cause it to start checking a full second before they would run out of duration?

[haughty wing]

Pretty much

It's probably less needed now that we have execution budget

But might as well

[paper notch]

Yeah, good idea

[fathom ermine]

What was the math for max. possible Fragments/s again?

[haughty wing]

3 * 60 * 10 * 12 * Contracts * 1.15^5 * 1.5 I think

Those being speed, enemies spawned, lanes, modules copied, contracts, difficulty, Executive

[fathom ermine]

And if we want a specific type... is it just *([amount of the correct type]/[total amount, excluding secured & Special])?

[haughty wing]

Should be, yeah

[fathom ermine]

Okay... if I get 6 secures, it should theoretically be possible to get 15m/s.

[haughty wing]

Although you need to also account for Legendary

[fathom ermine]

Yeah.

[fathom ermine]

Of course, that's a big ask, but in theory, it is possible.

[haughty wing]

I did do a 6 secure run on Red, and could do it much faster now

Well, much faster if I again had X-mas bonuses

But 15m of a specific color would require more than e24 in Contract upgrades

[fathom ermine]

Okay, hexalock in place, focusing on resources otherwise, let's see how long this will take.

Ah, frick, forgot Resource Drop Boosters.

[fathom ermine]

Man, I love 5 real time hours with 3 game time hours. (82% to 1e18.)

At least the graph is nice and flat. Almost.

[haughty wing]

I think the 6th one took me a bit over an hour with Toy buffs

And the whole run was around 13h

[fathom ermine]

So what I hear is that I should leave this overnight.

[haughty wing]

Yeah, if it takes 4 game hours to reach the secure, then you'll need something like 20+ for a good uptime

btw. have you increased process priority? It's pretty useful for those long idle runs

[fathom ermine]

Yeah, I have set it on Very High.

[haughty wing]

I usually just go for Realtime 😄

[fathom ermine]

I don't have that on Linux, just from Very Low to Very High.

[haughty wing]

Ah

[fathom ermine]

Okay, it finally happened. The 6th secure is in place. Now we wait for... overnight, I guess.

[fathom ermine]

🎉

[haughty wing]

Nice - that's with e25, I'm guessing?

[fathom ermine]

Indeed, it is.

[haughty wing]

I will have e24 in some time, but e25 would take 2 years 😄

[onyx condor]

I’m only almost at the e21 contract upgrade 😢

[onyx condor]

I had to modify “Beyond ” in the following way to get the Glacier Spikes cooldown low enough to survive long enough to get a ~2e6 idle:

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And also significantly increase my water damage boosts and do it in Chaos Hard Inf 100B (any higher and it either dies before it can secure Glacier Spikes, or my Infinity is too low)

[haughty wing]

That's not worth it, you lost a Contract and multiple blue modules, just use Extreme Blue from the top post

[onyx condor]

That one works even worse for me

[haughty wing]

That shouldn't be the case

What's happening?

[onyx condor]

I don’t do enough damage

And even if I do, there’s a few moments when the spikes don’t exist, because the Water and Cooldown stars are too far apart to lock both

[haughty wing]

It is possible to lock both if I recall, I think the pinned Waterlock had that

But that aside