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haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:13 AM

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Easy with Cauldron, should also be doable with Anvil lock, I think

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Mine should land around 856k once I get 100b, yeah

tender crescent Oct 10, 2024, 1:17 AM

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I was almost able to drop energy flow when swapping to cdr cauldron but I'm just a bit over 20 sec

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:17 AM

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Yeah

tender crescent Oct 10, 2024, 1:17 AM

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maybe if anvil cooldown comes in range

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:18 AM

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I'll try, I don't need Anvil for this

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For damge that is

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Hm, dunno

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Let's see how it plays out, maybe it's rounded up

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It was not rounded up, oh well

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No dropping Flow

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:26 AM

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is ChIns 100b even possible? I deal like e148 damage

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:27 AM

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Yes, you can do over e200

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Make sure to activate Water 10^40 buff

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:27 AM

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ah yes

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too used to nature

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still only e194, and thats with anvil, no powerstones tho

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titanum hull can give another e51

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:30 AM

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I got it to work with Harmonizer instead of the two CDR Yellows

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:31 AM

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fresh steeple titanum hull can give another e51

I think it only buffs General?

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:31 AM

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ah right

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:31 AM

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haughty wing I got it to work with Harmonizer instead of the two CDR Yellows

This requires the Cauldron to work, though, so it's a Spooky variation

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And Anvil lock on CDR

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Better RNG

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This should be 883k on 100b

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:39 AM

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by my calc, light bosses on chins will have ~4e188 shield, so that's the damage threshold

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also for some reason, I'm not getting this formula

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in the game, its hp/8 instead of *125

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weird

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haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:40 AM

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Hm, /8 is *0.125, so maybe something with that?

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:40 AM

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fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:40 AM

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haughty wing Hm, /8 is *0.125, so maybe something with that?

maybe

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@polar cosmos fix the wiki

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:41 AM

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fresh steeple

Is that 100b?

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:41 AM

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no

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that's i569 🤣

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:41 AM

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Ah 😛

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:42 AM

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pov you're in a low inf competition and your opponent is an endgame player with T200+ on all mods

polar cosmos Oct 10, 2024, 1:44 AM

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fresh steeple

no strange health buffs or shield nerfs?

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:44 AM

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yes

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:44 AM

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There is Bulwark in there

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:44 AM

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sure I'll test again

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it appears it was bulwark and I didnt notice 🤦

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e82 now

polar cosmos Oct 10, 2024, 1:46 AM

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good science though

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:46 AM

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Wha

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It's almost 4 am

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When did that happen

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:47 AM

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that raises the bar

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up to 8e191 shield

fathom ermine Oct 10, 2024, 1:47 AM

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Doesn't Shield take the base health?

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:48 AM

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yes, now we know for sure

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:52 AM

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Also, Google seems to be required, even with double Spikes

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So we'd need two new not-red not-blue Uni. modules to use this tech on Purple or Yellow for 8/8

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:54 AM

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it was about time I do this

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easy to swap powerstone layouts now

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:54 AM

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haughty wing Also, Google seems to be required, even with double Spikes

how does google buff glacier?

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is it range limited

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:55 AM

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Bigger spikes

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 1:55 AM

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didnt know about that interaction

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:55 AM

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They're tiny without it

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And enemies just slip past them

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 2:02 AM

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haughty wing They're tiny without it

do you think dark realm is a better or worse map for glacier spikes?

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enemies on DrNm wil have less hp and so shield than ChIns, and might give that 3.5% extra frags

tender crescent Oct 10, 2024, 2:13 AM

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Enemies seem to spawn way further back on it though, I never got close to full killspeed there

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 2:29 AM

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yea

polar cosmos Oct 10, 2024, 2:47 AM

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tender crescent Enemies seem to spawn way further back on it though, I never got close to full k...

they do in fact spawn further back

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 2:53 AM

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fresh steeple didnt know about that interaction

lol they take damage so far from the spike

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you could call this graph, a glacier spike

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 4:16 AM

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a theoretical max for this setup is 913120/s idle

fathom ermine Oct 10, 2024, 4:23 AM

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fresh steeple you could call this graph, a *glacier spike*

~~Get out~~.

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 9:14 AM

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fresh steeple do you think dark realm is a better or worse map for glacier spikes?

From the test I ran, the kps on DRNm was really bad, even on double spikes

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 9:20 AM

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understandable

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 9:20 AM

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haughty wing From the test I ran, the kps on DRNm was really bad, even on double spikes

btw, do you know if idles use game time or real time when setting the idle

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for example pausing the game, will it affect an idle or not

fathom ermine Oct 10, 2024, 9:21 AM

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It always was game time?

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 9:21 AM

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idk

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 9:22 AM

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Game time, as far as I can tell

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E.g. AZ is helping, and not cutting the idle in half

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 9:23 AM

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I'm asking for one specific reason:
When you exit tower testing, an animation is played with the black bars covering the screen, however while it plays, the game still runs.
And I do not know wether this time gets counted into game time or real time if at all

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so you could just exit, and have that small overhead time, or pause before quitting

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 9:23 AM

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Ah, yeah, I've been wondering if it is better to pause there

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 9:23 AM

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yeah

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 9:24 AM

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But I haven't tested it - pausing mid-run seems to be fine, though

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 9:24 AM

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it'd be really hard to test

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we can't re-set idles

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 9:28 AM

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It could be tested on other regdiffs through the stats screen

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But even then, there's other small RNG that could affect the results

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 9:52 AM

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For DRNm, I guess we could try if Tower Range helps with this. E.g. we could cast Hurricane before the Spikes (so that'd be without Harmonizer) and see if it helps

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 9:53 AM

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i dont think GS is range limited, it doesnt get affected by generic armor module

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 9:54 AM

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Ah, true, that's in there

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High Mountain Gift should make the spikes even bigger, but it'd break the 7th Contract

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 9:55 AM

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yes

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 1:35 PM

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98b left to climb... I wish those took 15h so there at least wouldn't be an overnight required

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Also, saving this for later: 1715213700

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 5:16 PM

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haughty wing 98b left to climb... I wish those took 15h so there at least wouldn't be an over...

trueeee

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that'd require ~38x to accel or ~12x to eras skipped

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 5:40 PM

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Huh, quite a bit for what's effectively a doubling in speed

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 5:41 PM

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accel calc is messy, i may or may not be wrong

polar cosmos Oct 10, 2024, 6:00 PM

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it is a little messy

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 6:08 PM

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polar cosmos it is a little messy

what is your take on this, assuming an initial completion time of 42 hours

polar cosmos Oct 10, 2024, 6:09 PM

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regdif, accel boosters, kill speed, i will need all this information

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 6:10 PM

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none of those matter? you have the time it takes normally, assume maxed killspeed, chaos insane

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they all multiply together

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so these specifics dont matter if we know the total outcome

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just tweak them such that the total is close 42 real time hours

haughty wing Oct 10, 2024, 6:45 PM

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fresh steeple what is your take on this, assuming an initial completion time of 42 hours

I thought it was more like 30-36?

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On Chaos at least

fresh steeple Oct 10, 2024, 6:46 PM

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more lanes slower wave progression

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13:42 hours into the run, at 10.5b infs

cobalt sapphire Oct 11, 2024, 2:43 PM

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yay new pentalock! went from ~e9 to ~e12

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 2:50 PM

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Needs more Purple 😄

fresh steeple Oct 11, 2024, 5:05 PM

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just tested the game time thing, idles indeed count game time, pausing didnt ruin it

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also inf burst gets processed before damage

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so if it procs it is essentially a 40x damage boost

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 5:08 PM

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That's probably why it helped so much on Red

fresh steeple Oct 11, 2024, 5:08 PM

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yea, just wanted to make sure if something like headhunting is not better

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 5:10 PM

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With bounces and splashes and multishots and such, I think it might also get applied multiple times in quick succession?

fresh steeple Oct 11, 2024, 5:10 PM

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possible

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 5:11 PM

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btw. has your climb finished? Mine's still on 52b

fresh steeple Oct 11, 2024, 5:11 PM

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yes, that's why I'm free

fresh steeple Oct 11, 2024, 5:12 PM

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haughty wing btw. has your climb finished? Mine's still on 52b

you sure you have accel boosters?

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 5:13 PM

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I think so? I had them on the previous attempt

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Maybe I swapped them out and forgot

fresh steeple Oct 11, 2024, 5:14 PM

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how long is the run atm

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 5:14 PM

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It's a bit over 30h now, so it's better to just keep going even if I forgot them

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31-32h, I think

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I made the window too small to see

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I can just barely read the Infinity counter

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How long did yours take?

fresh steeple Oct 11, 2024, 5:17 PM

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~37 hours

novel topaz Oct 11, 2024, 5:17 PM

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44 hours without

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On high end

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 5:21 PM

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Maybe it's fine then

cobalt sapphire Oct 11, 2024, 5:29 PM

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haughty wing Needs more Purple 😄

I definitely do. I may try out some of the things you and Ne0 have been talking about above regarding purple idles

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 5:35 PM

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We were mostly talking about Blue recently, though

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Except for this

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It's a little bit better than the main one in pinned, but requires the Cauldron

haughty wing Oct 11, 2024, 10:00 PM

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At this rate it'll finish about an hour or two after I'll go sleeping

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 7:59 AM

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Ah, I guess it was slow 'cos Lag Saver ate a bunch of time (It finished around 40, I think)

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At least the Boosters were correct

fresh steeple Oct 12, 2024, 8:02 AM

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its frag time!

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 8:02 AM

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Yup!

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 8:21 AM

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First attempt with the non-Spooky version:

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I'll figure out the numbers on that one first

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Making some tweaks to the AI 😄

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Good tweaks, it seems

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I guess I should back up the old Blue in case anyone wants it (it had cool tech)

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Reverse Reflect Blue
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Dark Realm Impossible 100b

It's a Borf-based build, so you will need to put some auto-clicker AIs on Super Multishot and Super Bounce
Disable Universal Shield, Super Tower 3, and Sky Blessing
Run for as long as you like (running longer brings some diminishing returns)
Limit your game to exactly 60 fps for best results
You can use Super Tower 3 if you need extra damage
You can swap Uni. Shield for Photosynthesis for even more damage
It might take multiple attempts to get it started

fresh steeple Oct 12, 2024, 8:43 AM

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haughty wing **Reverse Reflect Blue** ```tVNbc+I2FP4rGV7b8WCI26HedAYSMGGDd/HG184+6IYtLMuMJAOm...

this is the previous one we had yes?

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 8:44 AM

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Yeah

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I'll add the new one soon, and then do the Spooky version

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Neat number to stop on, I suppose

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Extreme AI:

Make sure that only one of the four [Color]Main scripts is enabled!
LagSaver might prevent you from re-entering Tower Testing after returning to Town - turning the AI off should fix this (I'll fix this next time I'm updating the AI)
Make sure you can disable ALL Era powers for free!

📎 message.txt

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I hope I didn't include any Spooky/experimental Scripts by accident

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All right, Spooky time

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Neat

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Spooky Blue BP + AI patch
Chaos Insane 100b, requires Halloween Cauldron (see below)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

Best performance: 900 402/sec

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Cauldron:

fresh steeple Oct 12, 2024, 9:10 AM

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uhh

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this is literal gambling

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 9:11 AM

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A bit

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I'll probably let it run for a while with Reset instead of Exit

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Although I'm not sure if that one doesn't cause a tiny hit to performance

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 9:45 AM

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It worked

fresh steeple Oct 12, 2024, 10:07 AM

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it is useless

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 10:13 AM

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Weird, I got that last score from running it in a tiny window in the background

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 10:44 AM

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IT'S OVER 900.0! 😄

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(I left it running longer)

tender crescent Oct 12, 2024, 2:08 PM

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holy

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just ran the latest and got 7.9e5

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I really gotta get those last artifacts

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 2:11 PM

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I also get the best result from replacing Exit with Restart at the end of AI and running it dozens of times in a tiny window

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But after a few runs this only seems to make a few k of difference

tender crescent Oct 12, 2024, 2:38 PM

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Also, I played around with cooling cell and managed to get 2x spikes with unlimited uptime if you time it well and have high cdr

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with a glacier cooldown of 13/14 ish you can:

use glacier
wait 6 sec then use cooling cell + glacier
wait 14 sec and repeat

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If that allows you to survive long enough to get more secures then maybe it's a small improvement

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 2:45 PM

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Hmm, it requires both of the Yellow CDR modules, I presume?

tender crescent Oct 12, 2024, 2:47 PM

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yeah, I needed cauldron as well but a big anvil cdr lock might be enough too

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 2:48 PM

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I did my runs with pretty good Anvil CDR, and it seems that I'd need the Cauldron as well

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So that'd add an extra Yellow module, 'cos Refresh would be out. Getting to 4th Secure would be easy, and that'd cancel out the extra module

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Getting the 5th one, on the other hand, would take something like 30 hours

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Theoretically, a 4 secures unlimited run could beat the current 1 minute one with the same module ratio, but it'd have to be really long - enough to make the 3 secures part negligible

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Except in this case, RNG is a factor, and some Spike layouts are under max kps

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On a 1 minute run it's plausible to roll 3 perfect-ish spreads if you let it loop for a bit

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But unlimited run would end up averaging under max kps, or even randomly dying to a bad spread

tender crescent Oct 12, 2024, 2:55 PM

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haughty wing Getting the 5th one, on the other hand, would take something like 30 hours

ouch, didn't know it was that long

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 2:55 PM

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It gets 1000x longer every time

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Extreme Yellow can do a 5 secures run, but it gets the 4th one in seconds

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 3:02 PM

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haughty wing So that'd add an extra Yellow module, 'cos Refresh would be out. Getting to 4th ...

Correction: it wouldn't fully cancel it out, 'cos it doesn't replace it with a new Blue. So it'd be 40/47 vs 39/46, and the former is better

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~~cue someone suggesting to Rak it~~

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Still, this approach is worth remembering if we ever get a new CDR source

fervent bluff Oct 12, 2024, 8:29 PM

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haughty wing **Spooky Blue BP + AI patch** Chaos Insane 100b, requires Halloween Cauldron (s...

How exactly do I make this work?

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 8:36 PM

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First you need to get the whole Extreme AI linked up top

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Then add this, and disable the non-Blue mains (and the duplicate one - leave up the one from the patch). But not the colorless Main, that one stays

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Then max out Water damage, set the Cauldron

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Minimize graphics etc.

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Press F4, enter Chaos Insane 100b with speed set to x1

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And let it do its thing

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Oh, and get an Anvil lock with CDR and preferably also Water and Tower Damage

fervent bluff Oct 12, 2024, 8:45 PM

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haughty wing And let it do its thing

Thank you. I will have to get on this one after 100B Insane.
Only have Nightmare in Chaos at 100B

haughty wing Oct 12, 2024, 8:45 PM

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Yeah, it doesn't seem possible to get enough Water damage to run this on Nightmare

slender grail Oct 14, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Is the AI suppose to keep pausing my game randomly with the pumpkins?

haughty wing Oct 14, 2024, 9:00 PM

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It's pausing the game whenever fps drops under either 55 or 120, depending on the BP

slender grail Oct 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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ohhhh

haughty wing Oct 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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Pumpkins do reduce fps when they jump around, so if it was already close on your PC, they could push it under

slender grail Oct 14, 2024, 9:02 PM

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probably cause my fps limit was set under 120

haughty wing Oct 14, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Ah, yeah,with that the 120 ones will just keep pausing even without the pumpkins

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I use those BPs at Unlimited, except for the Borf ones, which should be set to 60

fervent bluff Oct 15, 2024, 9:17 AM

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haughty wing First you need to get the whole Extreme AI linked up top

So I already got the 100B in Insane and tried all of the things you said here but I still instantly die 😦

haughty wing Oct 15, 2024, 10:38 AM

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Which BP? And how much damage are you dealing?

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And can you post a screenshot of the AI setup?

idle axle Oct 15, 2024, 8:45 PM

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hmm... spooky blue AI should also have a blue secures patch no?

haughty wing Oct 15, 2024, 8:46 PM

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Secures should be the same

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As long as you're using the recently updated main AI

idle axle Oct 15, 2024, 8:47 PM

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seems like I'm not then

haughty wing Oct 15, 2024, 8:47 PM

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Both Extreme Blue and Spooky Blue should be using this Secures file:

idle axle Oct 15, 2024, 8:49 PM

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oh, I see, my secures were from the reflect blue in a post just above

haughty wing Oct 15, 2024, 8:50 PM

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Ah, yeah, that was a backup of the previous Blue

idle axle Oct 15, 2024, 8:51 PM

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welp, I'm dying with the spooky one... probably too low damage - did you mess with anvil to get it working? switch from penta to tower+water or something?

haughty wing Oct 15, 2024, 8:52 PM

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Yes, you need Anvil CDR for both new Blue versions either way, but I also had it locked together with Tower and Water

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I also got some Water stones in Museum and Water 10^40 Infinity bonus

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You can grab a lock with all 3 at 1715213700

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It's the first one I found, so there probably is a better one, but dunno by how much

idle axle Oct 15, 2024, 9:02 PM

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weird... sort of looks like power stones don't do anything? I went from not having a bonus there to having a x1500 and I don't see a difference in floating numbers. Oh well. I got to 20 seconds once, so it's theoretically possible for this to work, just gotta let it cook I think

haughty wing Oct 15, 2024, 9:03 PM

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As long as the cooldown on Spikes is under 20s, it should work

idle axle Oct 15, 2024, 9:03 PM

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it did do another cast, yeah

haughty wing Oct 15, 2024, 9:04 PM

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But weird about Power Stones, are those also projectile-only?

tender crescent Oct 15, 2024, 9:20 PM

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No power stones do make a difference

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the only time I didn't notice the dmg go up was when I had forgotten to change town perks

haughty wing Oct 15, 2024, 9:50 PM

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haughty wing Yes, you need Anvil CDR for both new Blue versions either way, but I also had it...

Hmm, actually, you might not need CDR lock on Extreme, there was a bit more wiggle room on that one. But still better to have it (the AI tries to take advantage of the wiggle room)

polar cosmos Oct 28, 2024, 3:58 AM

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i honestly dont know what ai i was using for this because i dont remember most of these ais

fathom ermine Oct 28, 2024, 6:33 AM

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Maybe the default #1261647978171596935?

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 11:11 AM

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That one is outdated now - Blue won't work on it

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 11:11 AM

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polar cosmos i honestly dont know what ai i was using for this because i dont remember most o...

All of those are in the package, so you can just delete and re-add

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Oh, wait, I think I interpreted this backwards

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Yeah, you could've used bluecat's AI, either Delux or the old one specific to this - or no AI at all, as older versions of those were runnable by hand or with auto-clickers

polar cosmos Oct 28, 2024, 1:58 PM

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I'm just trying to use soooky purple

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 2:22 PM

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Is it not working?

polar cosmos Oct 28, 2024, 2:24 PM

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i haven't tried it yet, i just got scared by the script number

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 2:25 PM

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Ah, ok 😛

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They're all pretty simple - I made it so on purpose so that it's easy to modify, swap etc.

tall jewel Oct 28, 2024, 6:23 PM

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haughty wing That one is outdated now - Blue won't work on it

I made it extremely easy to edit if anyone wants to modify it

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 6:25 PM

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Oh, just noticed that I wrote that in a way that could be misinterpreted: I meant that the Blue BP won't work on it

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But yeah, it shouldn't be too hard to get it there

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It's a few activations, and then it needs to end (or restart) right after 60s

tall jewel Oct 28, 2024, 8:09 PM

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@haughty wing is there supposed to be a refresh before the last glacier spikes activiation, seems weird for it to refresh in 1s to me

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 8:26 PM

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It should be off-cooldown there

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Just barely

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And I'm casting it there to cover the last 0.1s

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Since I squeezed the earlier casts to smoothen transitions, 'cos those were hitting kps

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The final ~0.1s ended up not covered and was also hitting kps, although less

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So that final cast is to help with that

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@tall jewel

tall jewel Oct 28, 2024, 9:23 PM

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couldn't get it to cast personally, even with a 19.35 cooldown and fast atomic functions

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current town bonus is a 0.824x

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 9:31 PM

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My cooldown was under 19s, but I also had an anvil lock

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 9:32 PM

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haughty wing Also, saving this for later: `1715213700`

This one

idle axle Oct 28, 2024, 9:37 PM

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tall jewel current town bonus is a 0.824x

You forgot to turn on recommended cauldron right? Halloween cauldron boost is x0.88, Necronomicon grants x0.9, these two by themself should amount to below 0.8 without even counting in whatever anvil bonus you might have

tall jewel Oct 28, 2024, 9:37 PM

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not using the spooky version of blue

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unless mp didn't account for that

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and put spooky into main

idle axle Oct 28, 2024, 9:38 PM

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oh, huh. Well, there was a difference between main blue and spooky blue I think, but I didn't pay too much attention there

haughty wing Oct 28, 2024, 9:44 PM

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No, I tested the main one without Cauldron

fresh steeple Oct 29, 2024, 1:02 AM

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haughty wing No, I tested the main one without Cauldron

what is a good tt xp hexalock time?

haughty wing Oct 29, 2024, 1:09 AM

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I use the one around here, but I didn't look for better ones: 1714822800

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Since I have those nodes hammered

fresh steeple Oct 29, 2024, 1:11 AM

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I see, I havent found a better one as well, this one's is 1714817200 btw

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the damage at it is ~700x times worse than at normal pentalock with my stats

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depends on the exact placement too

polar cosmos Oct 29, 2024, 1:42 AM

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lol, im too weak to do spooky purp

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what am i forgetting

haughty wing Oct 29, 2024, 1:45 AM

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Requirements are higher for it, since it doesn't have Touch

polar cosmos Oct 29, 2024, 1:47 AM

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well, its a small difference between what i have and what i can get anyway, i should do spook blue

haughty wing Oct 29, 2024, 1:48 AM

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haughty wing Requirements are higher for it, since it doesn't have Touch

Aside from that, Anvil Range and Knight's tier could also play a role

haughty wing Oct 30, 2024, 7:44 PM

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haughty wing I use the one around here, but I didn't look for better ones: 1714822800

I've just remembered that there was another on the 31st of May, dunno which one is better

haughty wing Oct 31, 2024, 2:58 PM

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I got around to doing a long Yellow run:

idle spindle Nov 7, 2024, 2:41 AM

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how do I get this to work, it seems like its just getting stuck

haughty wing Nov 7, 2024, 11:52 AM

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What is happening? Can you post a screenshot or recording of how it gets stuck?

warm lotus Nov 7, 2024, 12:22 PM

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also, define "getting stuck".
I know that sometimes it'll get stuck because it cant kill enemies, but if you have town perks and infinity perks set up right, it shouldnt be a problem

haughty wing Nov 10, 2024, 10:42 PM

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haughty wing **Extreme AI:** * Make sure that only one of the four [Color]Main scripts is ena...

I apparently forgot to add basic usage notes when I posted an AI update - they're there now

haughty wing Dec 2, 2024, 6:08 PM

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Legendary Toys with TTXP and either Attack Speed or CDR will likely be the endgame for Fragments

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Getting 4 secures with Spooky being the main goal

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:08 AM

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Looks like there have been quite a few updates in here since I last looked in this thread (early Halloween event).
Is there an updated setup for purple frag farming? or is the posted DRImp strat still the best known? @haughty wing

haughty wing Dec 11, 2024, 3:08 AM

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It's still the best - Spooky versions are better than Extreme though, if you can pull them off

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Spooky Purple should be easily doable with Toys

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Spooky Blue I'm not sure

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:09 AM

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don't the spooky ones require cauldron bonus?

haughty wing Dec 11, 2024, 3:09 AM

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You can use Toys instead

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:09 AM

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teddys and drums like we have today will be fine?

haughty wing Dec 11, 2024, 3:10 AM

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You'll need Attack Speed for Purple

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Cooldown for Blue

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And Cooldown will be cutting it close if it works at all

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:11 AM

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I'm most interested in purple since that will get my my pentalock sooner. so I gotta stay focused on that one even though blue is behind lol

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the usual AI works for it?

haughty wing Dec 11, 2024, 3:11 AM

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Yeah - I will be making an AI update, but it's just QoL stuff

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Purple can actually be improved over October, but I'm still waiting before I go for it

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:16 AM

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haughty wing Purple can actually be improved over October, but I'm still waiting before I go ...

for spooky purple, same deal as always:

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maybe not possible right now:

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I don't have the stats for DRImp and I can survive about 10s in ChNM with spooky purple 😭

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oh! I got a lucky break and got 30s. lol

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yay! 60s+!!

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nice improvement since last idle time. I did ChNM seting for now with default purple setup since spooky is too much for me right now, upped idle from 223k to 975.8k

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for blue, I re-imported the main BP and I don't see spikes at all

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but the main instructions mention it. I must be missing something

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oh I think I found the problem. the AI and BP was split in the main one. I got the updated AI and I thought I also got the updated BP but I was running an old BP. nvm! carry on!

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but I still can't live in ChIns

fresh steeple Dec 11, 2024, 3:54 AM

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I think blue needs a water/generic damage lock for chins

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maybe only generic if enough purple frags

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:55 AM

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yeah I swapped nature + uni for water + uni for water damage. good call out though

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my glacier spikes CD is about 18 too with ducks equipped:

fresh steeple Dec 11, 2024, 3:56 AM

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arent drums better

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they give gamage

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and you dont really need energy regen

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:56 AM

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I went down to ChHard and got a double of my current idle times:

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I needed the CD accorind to mp

fresh steeple Dec 11, 2024, 3:56 AM

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drums give cd

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:57 AM

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🤦 fair enough

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I'll try it out and see if that lets me do ChIns

fresh steeple Dec 11, 2024, 3:57 AM

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halloween got 12% cd, christmas only 8% tho

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:58 AM

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I'm not living past 2s still

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 3:59 AM

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fresh steeple halloween got 12% cd, christmas only 8% tho

yeah accordin to his post above, the key was spikes on 20s CD or lower since I have 18s, I should be ok there with the lesser CD toys compared to cauldron

haughty wing Dec 11, 2024, 11:47 AM

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cobalt sapphire maybe not possible right now:

One thing I'll need to find is the minimal amount of event boost needed - but that might vary from account to account

haughty wing Dec 11, 2024, 11:48 AM

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cobalt sapphire I went down to ChHard and got a double of my current idle times:

Hard should be able to reach up to about 780k if everything else is maxed

cobalt sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 2:49 PM

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haughty wing Hard should be able to reach up to about 780k if everything else is maxed

my hard is only at wave 1e6, I'll climb up during this event and see if I can do even better. But I'm already super pleased with the progress boost by using the updated BP/AI with my updated stats

clear walrus Dec 13, 2024, 11:35 AM

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mp, how can you even manage to go into chaos impossible, i copied ur build but i just insta die, my modules are 80 ish all of them

idle axle Dec 13, 2024, 11:47 AM

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with modules at ~80 you are not ready for the full extreme edition farming experience, people who succeed using these mostly have over 200

clear walrus Dec 13, 2024, 11:52 AM

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idle axle with modules at ~80 you are not ready for the full extreme edition farming exper...

whoah

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 12:24 PM

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On top of that, you will also need a really high anvil boost with locked Tower Damage, Light, Nature, Earth and Darkness

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(It's called a Pentalock, there are posts about how to find it)

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 4:53 PM

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@haughty wing you may consider editing pinned message with your minimum stats when you first did this stuff, it would give people a benchmark and it's hard to track down initially.
I think it was like 180 Reds and 160+ rest with e13 pentalock, but not sure

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 4:55 PM

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It's already there:

fathom ermine Dec 13, 2024, 4:55 PM

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That's current, and they're asking about minimum.

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 4:56 PM

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They were current when I last updated the scores 😄

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This is about what's needed to run Extreme Red unmodified on ChImp 100b for its full duration (an hour or longer)

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 4:57 PM

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Which should be far less than t215 3e102. I'd be surprised if you need more than 210 and e20
Considering less stats are still infinite damage

polar cosmos Dec 13, 2024, 4:58 PM

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e20 is literally nothing

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 4:59 PM

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e13 anvil Lock is literally e308+ damage

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 4:59 PM

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For Extreme Red you actually do need those stats to get the result listed

fathom ermine Dec 13, 2024, 4:59 PM

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cobalt sapphire Which should be far less than t215 3e102. I'd be surprised if you need more than...

Well, it's not exactly e20 on each. Tower is raised to ^3.6, and Earth/Darkness - to ^0.8.

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 4:59 PM

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That's 'cos it stops using Actives after a few minutes

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 4:59 PM

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So anything more is not important

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 4:59 PM

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And just sails on passive bonuses

polar cosmos Dec 13, 2024, 4:59 PM

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e20 total is nothing, e20 on each isn't possible

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:00 PM

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polar cosmos e20 total is nothing, e20 on each isn't possible

Mp says he has e102, that is more than e20

fathom ermine Dec 13, 2024, 5:00 PM

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They're not evenly distributed.

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:00 PM

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e102 total boost

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e13 in all of them is e93-94 total boost

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:01 PM

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How does a user see their total boost?

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:01 PM

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e14 in all is almost e101

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:01 PM

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I can see my anvil but not my total boost

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:01 PM

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You need to math it out

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Tower ^ 3.6 * Nature * Light * Earth ^ 0.8 * Darkness ^ 0.8

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:02 PM

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So another thing that a user that reads here (like me) has forgotten and can't easily compare to see if ready for this at the desired difficulty/region

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I see that in my notes now, but it's been a few months lol

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Sometimes you just need to YOLO

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If you die, go down a diff

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM

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And then users complain that the build doesn't work like above lol

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Or start low and go high

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM

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I kind of expect people to modify those BPs and try them out in various RegDiffs

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM

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That's just common sense

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Very few players can just grab them and run them under optimal conditions

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM

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You won't beat ChImp right off the bat

polar cosmos Dec 13, 2024, 5:03 PM

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haughty wing You need to math it out

throw that in with the stat requirements

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:04 PM

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It took me like 4 months

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At end game, dedicated to frags

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:04 PM

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polar cosmos throw that in with the stat requirements

The issue is that I only have like 3 characters left in that post 😄

polar cosmos Dec 13, 2024, 5:04 PM

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haughty wing Very few players can just grab them and run them under optimal conditions

my neglected forge can't do it

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:04 PM

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I have your 220 red module levels, I'm ready 💪

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And locks

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:05 PM

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The weird thing is getting to MT15, just using the recommended BPs was enough to get there, then you see stuff like this and see how far you have to go to get to baseline #infinity-phase

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Just a very different thing compared to all the things players have seen up to this point

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:05 PM

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And there is this:

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:05 PM

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And it's jarring

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That's helpful too.
I was just asking if you wouldn't mind posting your minimum stats of when you got started on this stuff (not just current) so people can see if they are ready for it or not

polar cosmos Dec 13, 2024, 5:07 PM

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cobalt sapphire The weird thing is getting to MT15, just using the recommended BPs was enough to...

well, this isn't early inf player's first frag farm, this is a post endgame frag farmer

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:07 PM

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polar cosmos well, this isn't early inf player's first frag farm, this is a post endgame frag...

That wasn't clear to me when I first got to MT15 and it seems I'm not a one off over the months I've been away

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:08 PM

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cobalt sapphire That's helpful too. I was just asking if you wouldn't mind posting your minimum ...

When I first made this thread I had 215 Red and about e93 or e94 Anvil boosts. The BPs changed multiple times since then, often in response to my stats getting higher. The current BPs wouldn't be optimal at my stats back then

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But I also started optimizing BPs for idles long before that point

polar cosmos Dec 13, 2024, 5:08 PM

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the problem is that we don't have any early mt15 frag farming bps

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:08 PM

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It's just that what's optimal at given moment changes every 1 or 2 e of damage

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:08 PM

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That's why this one is EXTREME 💪

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:09 PM

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haughty wing When I first made this thread I had 215 Red and about e93 or e94 Anvil boosts. T...

That's fair, hmm. Maybe a recommended barrier of entry from people that have successfully done it? I'm almost there so I'll post my stats whenever I get there

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:09 PM

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there is another thread for normies Kappa

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:09 PM

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polar cosmos the problem is that we don't have any early mt15 frag farming bps

That is very true. Maybe that would be helpful for people

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That way they could step up to this in phases

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:10 PM

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https://discord.com/channels/488444879836413975/1144705871486648460

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:10 PM

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I tried those when I got to MT15 first and I had troubles with those, I think maybe modules changed since it was last updated maybe? I didn't recall exactly

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I ended up using extreme on forest easy at first I think to just initially get going which was very very slow

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 5:14 PM

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I agree that less exteme BPs would be useful, but I don't want to maintain another thread, and I don't even remember what early MT15 is stat-wise 😄

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I'll link to it if someone else makes something good

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Although I imagine such BPs would be mostly devolved versions of the ones here: with more damage boosts, Actives etc.

novel topaz Dec 13, 2024, 5:31 PM

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If you are super new, burnorf is fine

cobalt sapphire Dec 13, 2024, 5:33 PM

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haughty wing I agree that less exteme BPs would be useful, but I don't want to maintain anoth...

I think when I got to MT15 I had something like no anvil Lock (no clue what pentalock even was at that time) and had around modules level 60 or something.

I used burnorf for frag farming for a long time while working on inf 100b for water stone

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But as I recall the other fragment farming bp that is linked from here, df's, almost never worked for me until I got this one working anyway

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Getting trained to just plug and Play the all blue or the era goals BP or inf 25 BP really made this quite a jump. Because I was mostly missing modules and almost never stats. As I recall fragment farming was the first time I was actually missing stats. Except for maybe when I was trying to get to wave 100 when I first started

haughty wing Dec 13, 2024, 10:48 PM

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Yeah, Fragment farming is more of a climb - you need to go through many BP/regdiff combinations 'till you reach the top (And even the top isn't theoretically the top)

cobalt sapphire Dec 14, 2024, 4:51 AM

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yeah. having a path for newly minted MT15 players may be a good idea.
I think I did WIN AI ASAP since it just works with only really modules as the requirement for setting resource idles.
Then it was BurnORF for frag farming until I could any of these extreme fragment farming ones as the regular fragment farming BPs never really worked for me.

My path in MT15+ is probably far from recommended I think, and it would likely be a really valueable thing to put into a pinned comment somewhere in #infinity-phase.
I think I did Forest Easy since it was the only one I could really do without much of anything.
Then I tried to work on water stone stages for exotic gem farming with shipyard, but got side tracked with frag farming regions and other things I was clearly not really ready for. so I ended up just getting Forest Hard as next inf 100b since I couldn't really do anything else.
I would love to have a post to recommend users read that gives a good build path kinda like what we have for the MT4-MT11 Resource & Refinement Guide That resource guide was really really helpful.

All the pinned stuff by the community is great, but when I get to MT15, I felt completely overwhelmed and outclassed since there wasn't any general path to growth with milestones. It's all just early/late without any reference of what that even means. I think what we need is something like:
"a good path to get to ChImp Inf 100b from inf 25 every region with module 60+ and no anvil lock"
Since players can do inf 25 every region with existing pinned info, this really the only void in knowledge which is quite vast.

haughty wing Dec 14, 2024, 11:30 PM

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@fresh steeple Proof of concept, but I rolled Slow (Fate) at 60s

fresh steeple Dec 14, 2024, 11:31 PM

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damn, this must be some combo of range and speed buffs

haughty wing Dec 14, 2024, 11:31 PM

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Range is bad for this it seems

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It's 3 Nutcrackers, 5 Trains, Car, all maxed

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And Hexalock, and all the Resource boosts

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Better

haughty wing Dec 14, 2024, 11:56 PM

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2 Nutcrackers/6 Trains is possible, although it requires multiple runs for a rather small improvement:

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(Kps seems to be lower by a fraction of %, thus negating most gains)

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Anyway, enough of this for now, I'll run it more when we have globals

fresh steeple Dec 15, 2024, 3:11 PM

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haughty wing Range is bad for this it seems

still 38 purp 49 total?

haughty wing Dec 15, 2024, 3:14 PM

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Yes, it was the Spooky one

fresh steeple Dec 15, 2024, 3:14 PM

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but that exceeds 100% eff?

haughty wing Dec 15, 2024, 3:14 PM

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4 Secures

fresh steeple Dec 15, 2024, 3:14 PM

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ah alr

haughty wing Dec 15, 2024, 3:14 PM

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That's what the Trains are for 😄

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6 Train version dies a lot to random stuff, though

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5 is more stable

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Getting a good Yellow should also be easy with the Trains

fresh steeple Dec 15, 2024, 3:23 PM

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I will lose quite a bit of damage if I reset my lock, 26 times less, tho I have 225 tier so it might be good enough

haughty wing Dec 15, 2024, 3:26 PM

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I'm currently at tier 220 and e104 Anvil damage, and that was fine

fresh steeple Dec 15, 2024, 3:26 PM

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e104 with hexalock?

haughty wing Dec 15, 2024, 3:31 PM

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Yeah

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Hammered nodes, so they'll perform as long as they're in the circle at all

fresh steeple Dec 15, 2024, 3:37 PM

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damn maybe hammering isn't useless

haughty wing Dec 15, 2024, 3:38 PM

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It's convenient

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 4:00 PM

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I need to write all those locks down in a single place:

Hexalock: 1714817200 (and another on May 31st 2024)
Pentalock TXP: 1714822800
Best Pentalock: 2333509200
Good Pentalock with a normal date: 1741397313
Waterlock: 1715213700
Hammertime: 1627299459

Hexalock: <t:1714817200> (and another on May 31st 2024)
Pentalock TXP: <t:1714822800>
Best Pentalock: <t:2333509200>
Good Pentalock with a normal date: <t:1741397313>
Waterlock: <t:1715213700>
Hammertime: <t:1627299459>

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I kept getting them lost

fresh steeple Dec 17, 2024, 4:09 PM

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I already wrote them down in my bot dms

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 4:10 PM

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I should be able to find this post with keywords now 😄

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 7:50 PM

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Remembered one more to add

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 8:26 PM

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haughty wing I need to write all those locks down in a single place: ``` Hexalock: 1714817200...

What do these locks mean?
pentalock is:
Tower Damage Factor, Nature Damage Factor, Light Damage Factor, Earth Damage Factor, Darkness Damage Factor
what is Hexalock?
Waterlock is presumably water damage factor along with what else?
What is hammertime?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 8:28 PM

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Hexa is Penta + TTXP

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Penta TXP is penta with Light swapped for TXP, I'm using it now

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Water is Water, Tower, CDR, for the Blue idle

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Hammer is the best for hammering the 4 red notes in a pentalock

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 8:30 PM

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when you hammer, how much do you keep reserved to relock? at least e13?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 8:55 PM

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Hammering only makes sense if you have a specific purpose in mind, e.g. being able to use hexalock or penta TXP version

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But in that case I didn't reserve anything, but made sure to also not waste stuff (i.e. I hammered red and purple separately)

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 8:58 PM

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how do you not reserve anything AND not waste stuff?
when you hammer, you lose your lock, right?

I haven't really hammered anything yet since I heard it was a bad idea for my current level of growth but I think I'll soon be able to

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 8:58 PM

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It is a bad idea at that level, yeah

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 8:59 PM

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cobalt sapphire how do you not reserve anything AND not waste stuff? when you hammer, you lose y...

Locking mechanics are important here

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Locking does 2 things

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Invests all the current Fragments as virtual fragments as if they were hammered-in in the current position

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Raises total Fragments invested - real and virtual - in every node in the circle to ^1.25

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If you put a circle over some nodes, look at the lock bonuses, hammer, look again

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Nothing will change

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'cos fragments invested went from virtual to real/permanent

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But the amounts stay the same

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:02 PM

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so when should I bother to hammer? after my modules in the forge are up to a certain level? It's unclear to me

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Only if you care about stuff like hexalocks

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Hammering is only really useful for stuff like that

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:04 PM

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I mean hexalock sounds good, but I'm not sure I can even go for that. no idea what benchmark I need to reach to make it worthwhile to do. I would imagine it's after I can do e308 damage but that's about my only guess

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:05 PM

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It's mainly useful for pushing idles just for the sake of pushing them 😄

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'cos the idea is that hammered nodes will always display the lock value they had when they were hammered

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:06 PM

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haughty wing 'cos the idea is that hammered nodes will always display the lock value they had...

that is a key thing I hadn't realized

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:06 PM

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So Hammertime hammers the red ones when they're all bunched up together near the center, and I also hammer Tower Damage at dead center with Purples

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:07 PM

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so I hammer at pentalock to get permanent e308 damage

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:07 PM

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And Hexalock has all/most of those nodes in bad positions near the edge

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But if the nodes are hammered, it doesn't matter - they still perform as if near the center

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:08 PM

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cobalt sapphire so I hammer at pentalock to get permanent e308 damage

No

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If you hammer at a pentalock, they will always have the performance of that pentalock when locked, but if you really want to hammer, then doing so at a pentalock is not the best route

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Red should be hammered at Hammertime, with just Red Fragments, and Purple with just Purple Fragments, with Tower at dead center, and Attack Range as close as it can be

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And I'm actually not recommending this strategy to anyone: I do it for niche purposes, and you need to know exactly what you're doing and why

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:11 PM

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so then for me, just lock at pentalock until I get to e308+ damage and build up my modules in forge more still, right?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Yeah

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:12 PM

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with my goal being to actually run these frag farming BPs/AIs in the intended region/diff 😄

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I've got this today:

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currently working on getting inf 100b in DR NM so I can get better idle there. I can't really run the BPs in DRImp right now and I have set idles in DRNM inf 1e6

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:15 PM

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Red and Purple are doing well

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Yellow can also run in Chaos Nm

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It should be better than DRNm

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:17 PM

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oh and blue I set today after getting ChHard inf 100b. I couldn't run blue on ChIns

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:17 PM

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You do need a lot of Water bonuses for that

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:19 PM

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better yellow on ChNM like you said:

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:20 PM

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That was short 😛

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:20 PM

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yeah it was, I'm trying to get DRNM inf100b done before end of christmas so I can try to lock water and get better blue idle before end of toy boost

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was thinking that may be worth it

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others aren't as needed for annual idle times

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:22 PM

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Blue is a bad match for DR

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The Spikes don't go far enough

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:23 PM

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hmm maybe it wasn't blue then... I just remember one of them was needing DRImp and I couldn't do it so I settled on lower NM that I didn't have maxed... so I was wanting to take it to inf100 after ChHard was inf 100b

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Purple and Yellow both target DRImp, although they should run on ChNm as well

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:24 PM

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so maybe I don't worry about DR NM as much right.
I wonder how I can get a better blue idle

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:25 PM

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By getting more Infs on ChHard or making it work on ChIns, I guess

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As for Yellow, if you use Trains, you can do a good 5 Secure run much quicker than normal - few hours insted of entire day

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:26 PM

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ChHard is inf 100b
ChIns is Inf 100b
ChNM is inf 100b

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:26 PM

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haughty wing As for Yellow, if you use Trains, you can do a good 5 Secure run much quicker th...

oh! that's a great idea. I'll do yellows after then after winter daily reset

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:27 PM

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That score seems low for ChHard 100b, hm

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Do you have the HQ bonus maxed out?

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:28 PM

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I may not have. I may have had damage maxed out or something. I'll tweak that and check it out. I need to get 5 trains too, so one sec while I do that

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:33 PM

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By HQ bonus, I mean this

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:39 PM

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oh gotcha. I have max from exotic gems. but I can get more from resources

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:40 PM

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That one is just for Resources

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Do you have all the Artifacts?

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Your HQ bonus should also say 1.644 if you do

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:41 PM

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I have all but christmas artifacts

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haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:42 PM

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So that explains some of the missing Fragments

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But I'm guessing something went wrong in the run, too

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Maybe CDR wasn't enough to double-cast or something

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:44 PM

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my CDR should be fine according my anvil

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at least you said so months ago. but that was before BPs were updated

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:45 PM

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This BP requires getting CD on Spikes under 20s

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That's why Waterlock also has CDR in range

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:46 PM

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my glacial spikes CD say in game around 18

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:46 PM

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Hm, then it should be fine

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:46 PM

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but that was with drums

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ok running again in ChHard with all drums

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idle didn't change

fresh steeple Dec 17, 2024, 9:50 PM

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the blue is very random, you need many attempts

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:51 PM

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should I change my museum stones?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:51 PM

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What does the 10 min chart look like?

fresh steeple Dec 17, 2024, 9:51 PM

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need to get consistently <80 enemies at least

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:51 PM

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cobalt sapphire should I change my museum stones?

You should use the e40 Water one

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:51 PM

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yeah, let me change this out then:

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:51 PM

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Oh, those Stones, right

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Yeah, get some Water ones, too

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You probably don't need to change all out

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Just some

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:52 PM

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what do you recommend I swap out?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:53 PM

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Doesn't matter, 'cos it'd be just for this run

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So it'll get swapped back

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:53 PM

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so do you fill your inventory up with water and swap them in and out based on the run?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 9:54 PM

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Yes, that many are enough for me

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:55 PM

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oh crap... wrong stones lol

fresh steeple Dec 17, 2024, 9:56 PM

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Lmao

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:58 PM

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ok better

fresh steeple Dec 17, 2024, 9:58 PM

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rising tide

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 9:59 PM

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haughty wing What does the 10 min chart look like?

ChHm 10 min

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same idle.
I'll try out ChIns

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nope. I die after a few seconds still

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I may need to get a new lock if I want to set idle in ChIns which is probably not worth it for my current progression level.
I'll probably give it many tries until the daily reset and see if I get lucky like Ne01n said

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or maybe spooky?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:01 PM

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cobalt sapphire ChHm 10 min

Does it still look like this at 59s?

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The amount of Fragments you're missing is too much for it to be just the random variation

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:02 PM

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oh! it dipped down

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:02 PM

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It shouldn't

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What does it look like?

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:03 PM

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wait...

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it's stopping at 30s??? huh?

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let me see if I other AI running for some reason

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I had a borf ai running that time... I just turned it off

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switching back and forth is hard lol

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:04 PM

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It might've been incrementing the tick thing, I guess

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:05 PM

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should I lock my FPS for blue? I'm currently at 180fps

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that is at 1min

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weird dip

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:05 PM

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It shouldn't dip, hm

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:06 PM

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looks like blue expects 120FPS floor

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:06 PM

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It probably doesn't need it, it's an eyeballed amount

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But the LagSaver is set to that, yeah

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Frame rate should just be Unlimited on this one

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:08 PM

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at 1x speed?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:08 PM

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Yes

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:09 PM

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at 59 now:

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not sure why the dip is gone now

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:09 PM

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That's more like it

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What's the idle from this run?

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:09 PM

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new idle set

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:09 PM

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Yeah, that's where it should be

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:10 PM

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so my idles are now this. should I let yellow run a while with trains next? Or work on purples (with trains?)?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:11 PM

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They're all getting pretty decent now

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So whichever you like

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:11 PM

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what do I need for inf damage so I can actually get ChImp inf 100b? I'd really like that down

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haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Getting the locks above e13 would be good

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Esp. that Tower one, that one is bad

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So you'll need Purple Fragments for that

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:14 PM

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ok so just get fragments up. probably not worth focusing on a new idle for that until after Dec 24th, right? so just frag farm with purple BP for a long time and I get what I get while working on new inf 100b?

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:14 PM

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You mean Extreme Purple? Those are for setting idles, not farming

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For Farming you want to go x3, and I haven't tested or designed those BPs at all for that

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:15 PM

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right, but I figure if I drop the diff in a region I could probably use the same BP for climbing to inf anyway

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:15 PM

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Purple is meant to only live 80s

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It'll most likely just die after that point

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:15 PM

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oh wait. purple is a weird one too with the lowered modules

haughty wing Dec 17, 2024, 10:15 PM

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Or kps will drop to the floor

cobalt sapphire Dec 17, 2024, 10:16 PM

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ok, nvm. I'll just do normal stuff then and work on inf 100b so I can keep TT active for event.
Thanks for the help!

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 1:49 AM

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haughty wing As for Yellow, if you use Trains, you can do a good 5 Secure run much quicker th...

any point staying longer than the last secure for setting idle times in any of these BPs?
I got the last yellow secure (void synergy) and wondering if I should I move on to setting a new red or something

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 1:55 AM

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Yes, you should stay

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The idle you get is the average of the entire run

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After the final secure you are getting the most of the target fragments

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So you needs to stay at least a few times longer to make it dominate the average

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 1:57 AM

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so I got it after staying for about 4 in-game hours, so then I should stay for at least double that to have it dominate the average, right?

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I'll likely just stay until next winter daily reset or something

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 1:57 AM

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How did it take so long? It should be doable under 20 minutes with Trains

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 1:58 AM

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in-game time is not the same as actual time.

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it only took about 1 hour or less irl since I'm running at 3x

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 1:58 AM

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It should be at x1

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 1:58 AM

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it's stable for me on ChNM

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 1:58 AM

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But is it max kps? That's the main point there

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 1:58 AM

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still same max kill rate

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 1:59 AM

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3600 on 10 min? 'cos Borfs can get stuck on a false max if they aren't running at x1 60fps

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 1:59 AM

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kps actually dropped when I turned down the speed

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 2:00 AM

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'cos it needs to be 60 fps at x1 for max kps

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Otherwise it will drop

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 2:00 AM

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this dip you see is me testing what happens if I turn off x3:

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 2:00 AM

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A bit wobbly

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Anyway, it shouldn't be 4h with a full set of Trains

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 2:01 AM

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I'm not using "full" I'm using 5 of them

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Did you do all you could to maximize TTXP?

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 2:03 AM

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not really. I'm using ducks to keep up with milk production still
I was using bears while I was climbing to inf 100b, but for frag farm, I'm using trains or drums usually

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 2:04 AM

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Stuff that maximizes Resources also helps with TTXP: using Resource Boosters, putting SP into Resources/Gems/Assets, having higher Resources bonuses all around

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I can reach 5th secure in about 1.5h without the Trains

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And that's 1.5h game time

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 2:05 AM

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that's 5.5 hours in-game but 1:54 real time

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I'm switching perks around and going to restart anyway

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so not full train

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I'll swap ducks to drums for this since module drop chance too

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 2:07 AM

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You could put a Train on Deers if you have a good surplus

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 2:08 AM

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sure I'll swap to this for a run and see how it goes

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apparently I was using these town perks:

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so I can get resource drops and town assets for more drops, right?

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 2:09 AM

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Stones as well

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You should keep the three balanced

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 2:09 AM

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ok I'll do those three then

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 2:11 AM

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HQ and Anvil also help (although in Anvil you need hammered Resources and TTXP nodes to bring this down significantly)

cobalt sapphire Dec 18, 2024, 2:12 AM

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yeah, I need my frags for new lock before I can do any sort of hammering at this time

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my hammered xp is something around 1.5 though so it's at least something lol

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 4:28 PM

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haughty wing I need to write all those locks down in a single place: ``` Hexalock: 1714817200...

Actually... @left sundial Can I please have a 📌 on this?

left sundial Dec 18, 2024, 4:51 PM

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haughty wing I need to write all those locks down in a single place: ``` Hexalock: 1714817200...

haughty wing Dec 18, 2024, 4:58 PM

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Thanks!

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:20 AM

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Hey, had a question about the purple build @haughty wing .
While i can do the rest of them effectively, purple is stuck a like 100k, and doesnt really seem to work properly. is there something specific for purple that i might not be doing or is the anvil range that critical (got like x1.16 from the anvil itself)

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haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:21 AM

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How is it failing? Does it die or something?

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:22 AM

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it dies as well but the main issue is only 100k a sec

haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:22 AM

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Can you take a screenshot of the 10 minute kill chart at about a minute in?

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:24 AM

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ye one sec, in your guide you write "You can also run this on Chaos Nightmare: remove Touch and Universal Shield" , which mopdule do you mean by touch

haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:24 AM

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Nature Touch

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:25 AM

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i dont have it

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wierd just imported as well

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could be my bad

haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:25 AM

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Are you running Spooky or Extreme?

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:25 AM

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extreme

haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:27 AM

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It seems that I've accidentally uploaded Spooky as Extreme

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:28 AM

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welp

haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:28 AM

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Add back Touch to get Extreme

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:32 AM

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3.6k or so

haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:32 AM

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This should be good then

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:33 AM

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yep, thanks up to 880k per second now

haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:33 AM

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Removing Touch and Shield should also work on Chaos

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I've updated the top post, it should be the correct version now

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:40 AM

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awesome, thanks. had another small question, i read some of the previous conversations here but didnt quite understand, but regarding the anvil simply getting more shards will increase all the temporary boosts, right?

haughty wing Dec 21, 2024, 12:42 AM

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You do need to get a new lock

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The boost values are frozen in time 'till you release the lock

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But having more Fragments will result in a stronger lock if everything else is the same

mint spindle Dec 21, 2024, 12:47 AM

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ahh, got you, thanks for the explanation. so far i have finished everything but infinity on DR and CH imp just by getting to T200 red, with a decent lock but now i wanna come back and finish those it seems like i need an extra boost.

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 11:24 AM

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I just got something utterly unhinged to work, fun will be had 😄

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 4:43 PM

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@fresh steeple And this... is to go... EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!

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...Except it's just a trial run, I need to tweak things and run it properly next 😄

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Beyond Red + AI Patch

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Chaos Impossible 100b
Max out your Damage and Tower Testing XP
Trains and other Toys will help, but aren't technically required
The AI will do weird things with Software - let it cook!
You can tweak the stage durations in the AI to match your damage capabilities
Run until you get the 5th Secure, and then at least a couple times longer - this BP won't do well on shorter runs

Best performance: 1 346 253/sec

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I'm quite proud of this abomination 😄

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 5:27 PM

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fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 5:39 PM

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what the heng

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 5:39 PM

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Multi-stage rocket 😄

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 5:39 PM

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is this to conserve energy or smth?

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 5:40 PM

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It doesn't have Energy

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 5:40 PM

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ok I need to look at this

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 5:40 PM

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It's amazing 😄

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I got it running with 2 Drums, 1 Duck, and Trains

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A bit unstable, but it does reach equilibrium once every few runs

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With more damage more Trains could be swapped

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Oh, I also used 1 Candle instead of a Train to match Attack Range bonus lost by removing Infinity Range - dunno if that's necessary though

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 5:42 PM

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crate of rex? insane 5 secure investment

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 5:42 PM

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It paid off 😄

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 6:22 PM

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ah yes exec budget 10 (one line costs 100 so this is basically 0)

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 6:22 PM

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Oh, oops

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I thought this was how many lines it can do per frame

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Oh well, it still worked, I'll fix it after the run

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 6:24 PM

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they didnt want to introduce decimal budget but did want the cap to increase smoothly so that's why 1 is not 1 line

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 6:30 PM

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I see, luckily it doesn't seem to much matter here

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 6:31 PM

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yea

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 7:23 PM

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what if... shatter

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or will the freeze run out before another attack lands?

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since we have no focuses or subsistences there is a number of "empty" slots

tall jewel Dec 22, 2024, 7:28 PM

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Not sure if the module will trigger on glacier spikes, if that's what you're using

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Since its probably a critical

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 7:30 PM

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nah this on red, so smth like frost splash or ice shards

tall jewel Dec 22, 2024, 7:30 PM

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Why is red using water damage?

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 7:30 PM

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always forget it's for water damage only 🤦‍♂️

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 7:37 PM

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fresh steeple what if... shatter

the description really could use water damage

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 7:57 PM

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fresh steeple what if... shatter

Would be nice if it worked 😄

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 7:57 PM

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also nice find about unholy missile

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 7:57 PM

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It seemed like it'd make a good combo with Infiniburst

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 7:57 PM

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yea

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unfortunately, even tho division occurs before damage, unholy only works on the next shot

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 8:01 PM

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That's still fine here - the early stages take many shots to take down enemies

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And it climbs its way to Infinity damage eventually

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There's also a lot of splashing and bouncing going on, so there should be multiple hits per frame

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 8:03 PM

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any reason you didnt include phoenix bounce

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ik its effect is small

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 8:03 PM

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I recall never getting any noticeable results from it

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So the various Anti- seemed more useful

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 8:05 PM

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imagine if execution was a damage mult instead of just universal damage

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 8:05 PM

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Yeah

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 9:21 PM

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log of the damage needed to oneshot on chimp by element, hopefully I didnt mess up the order

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 9:26 PM

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Huh, I thought Fire would be tougher

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 9:26 PM

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it has a low shield bonus

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 9:26 PM

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Yeah, figured that must've been it

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 9:26 PM

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not even capping in shield

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 9:27 PM

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I guess squeezing-in the other Anti-Nature could help

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'cos I think I only have the Crit

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 9:29 PM

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fresh steeple log of the damage needed to oneshot on chimp by element, hopefully I didnt mess ...

actually add one more bc of bosses, tho headhunting counters them

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 9:30 PM

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Also, Universal enemies were the plague when I was trying to get this working

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Even now the Aura just barely stops them sometimes

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(During the opening stages that is)

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 10:00 PM

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and this with a hexalock too??

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 10:08 PM

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Yup

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Altough that might be difficult without hammered nodes

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It'll still work without Hexa, but it'll take longer

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 10:09 PM

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yep

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 10:10 PM

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It took about 1h 35 mins to reach the 5th for me

fresh steeple Dec 22, 2024, 11:21 PM

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I had better time with ice shards instead of frost splash

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slightly better slow and on each shot, most of the enemies die anyway

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and only the universals get targetted so a better slow for them is best

haughty wing Dec 22, 2024, 11:22 PM

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I haven't tried them - I'll test them out after the run

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 12:17 AM

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mmmm

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 12:21 AM

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It has a pulse!

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 12:24 AM

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the faster I reach max damage, the better my idle gonna be, but since we cant survive full wave streaming right away, we pulse it, each next pulse is a little longer than the last, and eventually it goes into constant wave streaming

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 12:28 AM

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Ah, I see, yeah, that's an interesting modification. Although I wonder about stability - I usually died at speed changes, presumably 'cos those messed up the Tower's tempo. But maybe Ice Shards are helping with that

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One thing though: on a full run, the kills lost during the first two minutes will be a 0.1% (or less) of the total

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 12:37 AM

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thats true

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 12:10 PM

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I did the longer run:

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Could be a little bit better, I've noticed that my 10 min was slightly uneven

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Hm, I seem to be getting better stability with Frost Splash than Shards

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But it's hard to say for sure

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Frost Splash does say that it stacks with others, so maybe Shards don't stack with the Aura? Dunno

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Hm, I could make room for Anti-Nature Projectile by merging Relay and Anti-Fire into Sun Synergy, but Relay might be helping?

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I'm not sure what "Around the Tower" means

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 12:47 PM

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haughty wing Could be a little bit better, I've noticed that my 10 min was slightly uneven

Ah, that's probably 'cos I can't use Google's anymore

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I remember that it was helping a tiny bit with kps

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 3:05 PM

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I ran this for a couple of hours, and got totally bogus results, didnt even get a new idle, is this not enough speed/range?

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 4:58 PM

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They look fine

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Did you get the 5th secure in those hours?

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Without the 5th it's unlikely to set a new idle

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Our previous idle was a near-perfect 4 Secure one

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 5:05 PM

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fresh steeple I ran this for a couple of hours, and got totally bogus results, didnt even get ...

That being said, I need to check if more speed and/or range can make up for losing Google and smoothen the graph

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 5:05 PM

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haughty wing Did you get the 5th secure in those hours?

I almost got to 5e15 xp

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but the eff was like .954

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 5:06 PM

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That sounds like more than couple hours then 😄

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 5:06 PM

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I got ALL trains + candle on coal

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the killrate is not stable for me even after hours when damage ramps

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Hm, the kill rate was a little wobbly for me, but it was still good enough to get an idle. I did have one duck though - so maybe some speed if required

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 5:10 PM

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fresh steeple I ran this for a couple of hours, and got totally bogus results, didnt even get ...

Wait, is that speed with Rapidfire or without?

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@fresh steeple Did you perhaps put Chained Ball on it?

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 5:15 PM

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nope

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 5:15 PM

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haughty wing Wait, is that speed with Rapidfire or without?

with

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 5:15 PM

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Hm, then something is wrong

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'cos my speed is around there without Rapidfire

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As in, before it triggers

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 5:16 PM

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??

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5(base)*1.5(rapid)*1.4(quant)*3.59(knight)*1.08(toy)

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you prob have more toys with speed

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since I went all trains

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 5:19 PM

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Ah, yeah, I had a lot of ducks equipped, I now replicated the bonuses from my run and got this, with Rapidfire active:

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So tiny bit more range, and significantly more speed

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 5:20 PM

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10%

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 5:20 PM

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And if you got 95% efficiency, then you presumably missed about 5% kps

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So that could be it

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I remember that when I removed Hurricane, this was just barely getting max kps with Google

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So I guess it needs something to make up for Google

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 6:51 PM

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@fresh steeple I ran some tests now, and while there was a small efficiency drop at 0 ducks, it wasn't much, maybe 1%, definitely not 5. Weirdly, I didn't reproduce the wobble I saw at the end of my run with 1 duck - it seemed rather smooth, and benefits for going past 1 seemed marginal. Turning off the Auto-Skip software reduces the kps, but that's closer to a 10% drop

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Hm, it seems that my run was 99.33% efficiency? Better than I though

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 7:00 PM

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haughty wing Hm, it seems that my run was 99.33% efficiency? Better than I though

exactly why im so dumbfounded by mine

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ran at 60 fps btw

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 7:02 PM

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What

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Why?

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It's not a Borf

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 7:02 PM

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40 attacks/s

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so 30 is too low, and 120 is too high

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 7:03 PM

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I ran on Unlimited with Lag Saver at 100

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Aside from Attacks it also has bounces and splashes, those might need extra fps?

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 7:04 PM

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I havent noticed much improvement setting the cap to 120

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it might be a damage issue?

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but I really cannot raise it any higher

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 7:05 PM

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Damage should max out at some point the run, and you probably have more than me anyway

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 7:13 PM

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haughty wing Damage should max out at some point the run, and you probably have more than me ...

hers is the bp and disables, I modified it after the first run but didnt do a full nother run yet
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as for the initialisation mechanism script, use what you see fit

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 7:15 PM

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I ran a quick test right now:

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 7:15 PM

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yea

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 7:16 PM

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The bit where it goes up is where I switched from 60 fps to Unlimited

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It was without Lag Saver

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With Lag Saver the Unlimited fps part is smoother

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Enemies were also getting visibly closer to the Tower at 60

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This is the fps change moment

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 7:17 PM

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i see it

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 7:19 PM

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Ah, yeah, I also switched to using both Splash and Shards

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@fresh steeple I ran yours, first Unlimited + Lag Saver 100, then I switched to 60 and no Lag Saver

fresh steeple Dec 23, 2024, 7:32 PM

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damn

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that does look like 5%

haughty wing Dec 23, 2024, 7:34 PM

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Yeah

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It was about 3400 after the drop

haughty wing Dec 24, 2024, 10:06 PM

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That actually went better than expected 😄

haughty wing Dec 24, 2024, 10:27 PM

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~~So, how do we get the 6th Secure?~~

haughty wing Dec 25, 2024, 6:23 PM

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Sadly, CDR from the event isn't good enough to improve Spooky Blue

cobalt sapphire Dec 25, 2024, 8:37 PM

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haughty wing Sadly, CDR from the event isn't good enough to improve Spooky Blue

so I can't even run spooky blue with event items?

haughty wing Dec 25, 2024, 9:54 PM

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Barely running it might be possible, although it'd require really high Anvil CDR

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So probably not

cobalt sapphire Dec 25, 2024, 11:58 PM

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ok. not worth it then. thanks.

haughty wing Dec 31, 2024, 3:00 PM

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Got a slightly better run with the globals

haughty wing Jan 1, 2025, 2:42 AM

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Yaay 😄

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Apparently this is 99.9% 😄

fresh steeple Jan 1, 2025, 6:36 AM

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I got 985946

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so close

haughty wing Jan 1, 2025, 3:36 PM

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Yeah

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I guess there might be a while before things start moving here again

fresh steeple Jan 1, 2025, 5:45 PM

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christmas turned out to be a lot stronger than halloween

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if an easter event comes around with a new artifact we may be cooking sooner

haughty wing Jan 1, 2025, 5:48 PM

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New Artifact will destory all the current scores, even if it doesn't help with anything 😄

fresh steeple Jan 1, 2025, 5:48 PM

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yep

cobalt sapphire Jan 1, 2025, 5:56 PM

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fresh steeple if an easter event comes around with a new artifact we may be cooking sooner

I would like it if they introduce more regular events, at least once a quarter. It's fun

haughty wing Jan 1, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Boss Dating Sim in February 😄

haughty wing Jan 11, 2025, 11:01 AM

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New meta for Purple: ||turn on the Color Blind mode||

novel topaz Jan 11, 2025, 7:05 PM

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Ha

fresh steeple Jan 11, 2025, 7:26 PM

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haughty wing New meta for Purple: ||turn on the Color Blind mode||

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-tobey-maguire-four-eyes-glasses-cant-see-gif-5621389

Tenor

slow cypress Jan 12, 2025, 5:11 AM

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haughty wing New meta for Purple: ||turn on the Color Blind mode||

I've already been using this meta

haughty wing Feb 24, 2025, 3:32 PM

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I ran some experiments with making a Purple ChImp: I got it to 1.01m/s, but it'd take a combination of new modules and a lot more damage to make it meta

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:35 PM

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hey mp, I don't think this energy drain on startup is supposed to happen, is it?

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 4:36 PM

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The drain is expected, but why aren't they dying?

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:36 PM

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because I don't have the damage to kill them XD

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 4:38 PM

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It casts Spikes, Cooling and Spikes in the opening moments, so that is going to drain most of the bar

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:39 PM

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buut hey, despite the fact that I don't have the damage output to propperly test out the blueprints... I'm happy to say that the compactor version of these blueprints is functional

It's able to execute the spells with the correct timings

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 4:40 PM

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But how do you not have the damage xD

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:40 PM

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my town perks are in factory, not damage output XD

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 4:41 PM

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That doesn't seem to add up for Easy, and not even 100b at that

fathom ermine Feb 28, 2025, 4:41 PM

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Do you have Water + Uni enabled?

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:42 PM

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the infty stone?

probably not

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 4:42 PM

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Ah, that could explain it

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One way of checking if everything is running as it should would be the 10 min graph

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But that won't work if they're not dying

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:43 PM

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neato :D

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:44 PM

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haughty wing One way of checking if everything is running as it should would be the 10 min gr...

how would I check the 10 minute graph when the blue frag bp is meant to exit once 60 seconds have passed?

fathom ermine Feb 28, 2025, 4:44 PM

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10 min graph updates every 6 seconds.

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 4:45 PM

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Just pause at 0:59

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:46 PM

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better solution, set it to pause instead of exiting

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oki, peak of 3127

so... it works :D

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 4:51 PM

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Hm, no, it doesn't

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This should be almost perfectly flat at 3600

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A bad spread might sometimes happen

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But if you run a few times, there should be a flat 3600

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The low fps might be messing with it somehow?

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 4:54 PM

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oh neat, I died

it's most likely just becuse I don't have the firepower to deal with these enemies... and that it's not running at max efficiency since it's not 100b chaos insane

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 5:09 PM

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well, the AI seems functional, I likely just don't have the stats

could I send the compacted AI version script import here?

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 5:11 PM

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Sure, I can check it out later

ancient knoll Feb 28, 2025, 5:14 PM

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Compacted script for extreme AI blueprints
Detects the blueprint being used and executes the correct activation sequence

import contains the stand alone compactor outside the package, as it's not related to just this set of blueprints

📎 message.txt

haughty wing Feb 28, 2025, 10:42 PM

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Ok, here's run I did with the regular AI just now:

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Now let's try the compactor

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Hm, it looks almost good

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Activation times look fraction of a second off

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Looking at the code, it seems to be casting the first spikes too early?

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And the last one too late, but that's a smaller issue

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 8:53 AM

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; This is the blue frags blueprint
{synchronize(3)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.glacier.spikes, 0.0)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.cooling, 0.0)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.glacier.spikes, 0.0)}

{synchronize(3)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.glacier.spikes, 19.99)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.refresh, 19.99)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.glacier.spikes, 19.99)}

{synchronize(3)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.glacier.spikes, 39.89)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.cooling, 39.89)}
{add_spell.instant(spell.glacier.spikes, 39.89)}

{add_spell.instant(spell.glacier.spikes, 59.79)}
{recorded_blueprint(blue, false)}
```hmm, this is the spell activation sequence for it tho
I will admit that I did offset the last glacier spikes to happen 0.79 seconds lated because it was still on cooldown at 59.00

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 8:55 AM

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haughty wing Looking at the code, it seems to be casting the first spikes too early?

I would believe that as the first activation is synchronised, so it casts glacier spikes 2 times on the same frame

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ooh, I missed the waituntil t >= 0.1

that makes timing more clear... yea

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 9:03 AM

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haughty wing Looking at the code, it seems to be casting the first spikes too early?

I assume you're talking about your code, because I wouldn't expect anybody to try and understand the compacted data

haughty wing Mar 1, 2025, 11:30 AM

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ancient knoll I assume you're talking about your code, because I wouldn't expect anybody to tr...

Nope 😄

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 11:32 AM

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my goodness, did you actually look at the string or did you find a moment when I showed the encoding

I know the version I gave didn't include the debugger, so unless you went in my repo to find it, I have absolutely no idea what you did

haughty wing Mar 1, 2025, 11:33 AM

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ancient knoll my goodness, did you actually look at the string or did you find a moment when I...

I looked at the string in the in-game editor

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 11:34 AM

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my goodness, and you actually understood it?

I mean, it's still pretty verbose, but it's just a lot to look at

haughty wing Mar 1, 2025, 11:35 AM

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ancient knoll my goodness, and you actually understood it? I mean, it's still pretty verbose,...

Not fully, but enough to see the casting times

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 11:36 AM

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yea... I fixed it, it's now at 0.1 instead of 0.0, do you want me to change the final cast back to 59.0 too?

haughty wing Mar 1, 2025, 11:37 AM

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It's a smaller thing, but that'd be better

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 11:38 AM

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I probably should've sent you the debugger with it instead of the classic version

huge blunder on my part... sorry mp but I didn't think anyone would actually look at the string

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oki, this is the version with updated timings

You should delete the old script called "Blueprint Compactor" before importing this one because they've got the same name (so that you don't have to change the execute's from the blueprint AI)

It's in debug mode by default, which means that when you run it... it won't cast anything but it will show you, in the global variables, the values sent to the compactor
To exit the debugging mode, you change the first line from being "set local debugging to true" to "set local debugging to false"

you go to the next spell by pressing x

📎 message.txt

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 3:22 PM

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haughty wing It's a smaller thing, but that'd be better

hey mp, are there any signs that the compactor messes with blueprints performange?

it's all good if you haven't tested it, I just want to know if there are changes to make

haughty wing Mar 1, 2025, 3:30 PM

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I only tested the Blue one so far, there was a tiny dip which made me suspect the off-timing of the first casts, but otherwise it did well

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I can check the others later

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(But it's noteworthy that this will all need to be redone once 1.0 rolls in)

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(As in, all the BPs, their AIs etc.)

ancient knoll Mar 1, 2025, 4:14 PM

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yea, that's why I made this thing easy to customise... just not ingame

ancient knoll Mar 2, 2025, 2:04 PM

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haughty wing I only tested the Blue one so far, there was a tiny dip which made me suspect th...

it very well could be casting too early because I dumbly kept the timer initialisation to time.delta() * 2.0

haughty wing Apr 18, 2025, 7:56 PM

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I'll put this here for safekeeping

little magnet Apr 18, 2025, 8:58 PM

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what

haughty wing Apr 18, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Posted by Matt in #infinity-phase

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Getting all of them to 10/11 should be pretty easy

novel topaz Apr 18, 2025, 9:10 PM

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What will that amount to in percentage gains

haughty wing Apr 18, 2025, 9:52 PM

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About x4 for Fragments? A bit less, 'cos we'll lose some ratio and switch from Nature to Neutral damage might also lose some Difficulty/Lane-count bonuses

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Oh, I underestimated how much that x.x44 was doing

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That's 4.44x bigger contract bonus

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So we should end up above 4x even with that other stuff (EDIT: actually, maybe not - but still close)

slow cypress Apr 18, 2025, 10:30 PM

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haughty wing Getting all of them to 10/11 should be pretty easy

~~and I'm excited to try and get 0/11 to be viable~~

polar cosmos Apr 18, 2025, 10:36 PM

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haughty wing About x4 for Fragments? A bit less, 'cos we'll lose some ratio and switch from N...

these bps are already extreme, isn't there a way to do it? or is Neutral not stable in that sense?

haughty wing Apr 18, 2025, 10:41 PM

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The ~max kps Infinity damage Neutral BPs that I made require Sky Blessing to survive, 'cos a few enemies get through. Going for regular max kps will result in less damage than the current Nature BPs, and taking the Sky Blessing route will mess with contracts (mainly no Checkboard Aura on single Blue BPs), requiring extra modules to fix

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I do plan on testing many variants, but I expect at least some loses in Regdiff

polar cosmos Apr 18, 2025, 10:43 PM

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ddoes googles influence have the aura tag?

haughty wing Apr 18, 2025, 10:43 PM

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It does, yes

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So that's a fix, but also an extra module

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Ah, and letting enemies through is a problem on Purple

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'cos they have some "you die" modules

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Then again, maybe that'll solve itself with Utilitarian forcing fewer Purples

fresh steeple Apr 18, 2025, 10:48 PM

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utilitarian is probably like annihilist, requiring yellow mods + some tags

haughty wing Apr 18, 2025, 10:49 PM

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Yeah

fresh steeple Apr 18, 2025, 10:50 PM

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~~we'd finally have energy and can use abilities on red, again~~

haughty wing Apr 18, 2025, 10:50 PM

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Or Crate + XP on everything 😄

fresh steeple Apr 18, 2025, 10:51 PM

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I'm in the process of making an enemy stat calculator, are there any features or design decision you'd want to see in it?

haughty wing Apr 18, 2025, 10:53 PM

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Hmm, I'd probably need to use it for a while first to figure out what else I'd want. I guess seeing which elements are toughest on various Regdiff combinations would be good - like that chart you made back in December

fresh steeple Apr 18, 2025, 10:53 PM

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yea that is a planned feature, rn I need to punch in the element weakness/strength chart

novel topaz Apr 18, 2025, 11:51 PM

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The 250 dream is alive

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In a reasonable amount of time

fathom ermine Apr 19, 2025, 12:52 AM

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slow cypress ~~and I'm excited to try and get 0/11 to be viable~~

~~Is your module finally making it into the game?~~

slow cypress Apr 19, 2025, 2:06 AM

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fathom ermine ~~Is your module finally making it into the game?~~

I would ideally only want that wack ass idea if it was possible to push with a 0 contract bp

haughty wing Apr 28, 2025, 11:30 PM

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Beyond Blue
Credits to @finite nexus for the RNG script, and to @tender crescent for the original variant of this BP
(AI patch included)

Chaos Insane 100b
Let the AI do its thing - it'll get the Rak stacks first, and then alternate Spike casts
You might need an Anvil lock on Cooldown Reduction
You will also need a lot of Water damage
Run for around 100 minutes for best results
NOTE: This BP uses RNG manipulation achieved entirely with in-game AI

Current best performance: 934 827/s

📎 message.txt

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:21 AM

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the AI for raks isn't working for me. It's unused

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trying again

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execution budget -1?

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ah, max use

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oh, needed main on also, derp

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:27 AM

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Yeah 😛

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:28 AM

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are those all? I get to the full raks, but then it doesn't spam the attacking ones

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:29 AM

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It should cast Spikes at 0s 20s 34s 40s 54s 60s 74s etc.

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It does require good CDR even with Rak, but it's doable

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:30 AM

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I have a water and cdr lock, but no love

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:31 AM

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What's the CDR on Spikes with full Rak?

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:31 AM

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The 'T' variable is not moving, if that means anything

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13 seconds

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:32 AM

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Oh, is the tick script enabled?

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:32 AM

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no, on it

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just turn them all on, yes?

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Except the off-color Mains, yes

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:33 AM

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seems better

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:33 AM

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It does use LagSaver120

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But that's optional

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:34 AM

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just noticed I'm not at 100B yet for insane, RIP

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🙂

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:34 AM

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Might be worth getting it - depending on how things land, it might be useful in 1.0

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:36 AM

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still got a new record

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:37 AM

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With such a short run the regular Extreme might do better

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Beyond has only partial kps for the first 34s

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So it needs to run a long time to make up for it

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:37 AM

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I must not have used the blue yet

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windows 11 doesn't allow you to go to 2043 anymore 😦

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weird, had to skip only 10 years at a time

haughty wing Apr 29, 2025, 12:47 AM

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Extreme Blue is also Spikes, though, so you don't need the Pentalock for it

novel topaz Apr 29, 2025, 12:52 AM

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yeah, switched to borf to get to 100B

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 1:51 AM

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So, I'm not entirely sure how to make this work. I turn on the AI before going in, with the proper blueprint and ai secures and main turned on, and I die instantly

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 1:52 AM

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your stats are probalby too low, try a lower difficulty

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 1:53 AM

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I'm on Chaos Easy endless

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 1:54 AM

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how much damage are you doing? what blueprint is it? what is your fps? what infinity are you at?

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 1:57 AM

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I'm using the blueprint from the very top of this post, the Red one, I'm at infinity 2, I'm not sure how to tell how much damage I'm doing and I have the game set to 120 fps

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 1:57 AM

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what is your military tier

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 1:57 AM

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15

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 1:58 AM

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turn on floating text in settings

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 1:59 AM

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No numbers popped up

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 2:00 AM

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??? how?

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 2:02 AM

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One sec, taking a screen recording

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https://gyazo.com/378c477f606d1a4f0004270d50817bcb

Gyazo

Gyazo Screen Video

▶ Play video

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 2:03 AM

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can you increase the limit to 100?

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 2:03 AM

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The limit for which setting?

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 2:03 AM

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floating text

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 2:03 AM

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It's on unlimited rn

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 2:04 AM

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though, i can see from the video that however much damage youre doing, its not enough to use these bps

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 2:37 AM

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Dang. So what can I do to help?

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 2:39 AM

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more damage

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 2:43 AM

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Well yeah, but how do I get that more damage? Anvil, upgrades, what should I do?

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 2:43 AM

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module tiers, anvil, do you have nature and uni toggle?

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 2:44 AM

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The museum and tower testing ones? I don't have them on, but I can turn them on

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 2:45 AM

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sorry, reread that

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 2:45 AM

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Ahhh, the nature damage one, no I don't have that one on, but can turn it on

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 2:45 AM

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yeah thats the biggest thing you can easily do

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 1:10 PM

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oak hound https://gyazo.com/378c477f606d1a4f0004270d50817bcb

Yup, looks like insufficient damage and also some fps issue that's causing Lag Saver to go crazy

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Either a low limit or maybe the floating text and effects are doing it

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Also, those BPs make a ton of a lot less damage for slightly more fragments trade-offs, and for most players it'll be better to devolve them and undo some of those trades

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Actually, wait

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It seems that only Light enemies are getting through

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Do you have free Era power disables?

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It won't work if you don't

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 1:18 PM

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oak hound I'm using the blueprint from the very top of this post, the Red one, I'm at infi...

Oh, the 120 is just meant to be the lower boundary here, not the goal

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If you set it to exactly 120, and the LagSaver is also set to exactly 120, then that will result in stuttering, 'cos it'll usually be slightly under the set limit

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Just set it to Unlimited, unless it's a BORF BP

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 7:58 PM

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haughty wing Do you have free Era power disables?

Ahhh, no, I do not yet. Which bps should I use for farming the era hits?

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And the Lag Saver thing making the game pause makes a lot more sense if it's meant to be set higher, because I didn't think about it and set it to 120 frame limit, thinking "Oh, that's what I'm supposed to do!"

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:06 PM

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oak hound Ahhh, no, I do not yet. Which bps should I use for farming the era hits?

BurnORF in Chaos should be good for farming kills, dunno about farming hits, I guess a WINCE build, or just something tanky

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:06 PM

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oak hound And the Lag Saver thing making the game pause makes a ***lot*** more sense if it...

Yeah, it's meant to pause the game if fps drops too low due to a lag spike

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 8:06 PM

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something that gives enemies attack speed increases (not attack speed itself in most cases)

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:07 PM

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The pairings used in here are LagSaver120 + Unlimited, and LagSaver55 + 60 fps (the latter only for BORF-based idle setters running at x1)

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 8:09 PM

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haughty wing BurnORF in Chaos should be good for farming kills, dunno about farming hits, I g...

Do you have a specific bp you could send me, or tell me what good ones make for good builds?

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:10 PM

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For kills, just grab BurnORF from pins in #infinity-phase , I've also posted some tips on improving it in a further pin there

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 8:11 PM

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Ahhhh, thank you

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:11 PM

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I don't have anything specifically for hits on hand, but it shouldn't be hard to make - just build something unkillable and put attack speed buffs on it

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 8:12 PM

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brain slowly melts

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:12 PM

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polar cosmos something that gives enemies attack speed increases (not attack speed itself in ...

I guess additional attack modules and taste modules should work too?

polar cosmos Aug 17, 2025, 8:13 PM

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oh yeah, that might also help

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I made something real quick: VZBBbgMhDEWvUs0BkJpluUA3OUGUhQdMxgryjIzJKKp695J4mCYb9L/hfx78DGOuuAixluHr4zR8kx7Rl4kwRwfxBhwwelCFcHWJBLteQVG6QRCdugHa5wxa/yOZLpN2E0GujKXsFRmDCgXSex+NUCh0U5luKAVyH5QFG5lCUXSMVaVtmXtimjRK0wZp2lBM7yRmH/hbq9Fv6Rc+4kTchHtDaUE3VWlngFtqXlFcqUtbP9/cwQumR5tbqf2uR0a53LfXjrMkn+bKEZRmdv2q4fz7Bw==

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Run on Chaos Easy or something, disable WINCE and Shield from copying

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 8:18 PM

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haughty wing For kills, just grab BurnORF from pins in <#758038117864177776> , I've also post...

https://discord.com/channels/488444879836413975/1140396334558478347
Is this the one you mean? Just so I'm looking at the right one

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Yeah

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:20 PM

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haughty wing I made something real quick: ```VZBBbgMhDEWvUs0BkJpluUA3OUGUhQdMxgryjIzJKKp695J4...

You will also need to disable some Era, but doesn't have to be all of it

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Universal, Darkness, Lightning, and Neutral should be good to leave

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 8:22 PM

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Using the same AI from the top?

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:22 PM

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For the one I've just posted? No AI

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 8:23 PM

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Ah, gotcha!

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It died on the first 11 waves

haughty wing Aug 17, 2025, 8:25 PM

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Was it killed by an Era Power or damage?

oak hound Aug 17, 2025, 8:27 PM

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damage

#Fragment Farming (Extreme Edition)