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haughty wing May 23, 2024, 12:48 PM

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So there'd probably have to be different run logic files and a "pick one, disable the others" instruction

ancient knoll May 23, 2024, 12:59 PM

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perfect, it even made the red frags bp more consistent

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I may have died XD

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niiice, it doesn't make any unwanted copies now

tall jewel May 23, 2024, 1:01 PM

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just realized something I removed, here's one more update

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ancient knoll May 23, 2024, 1:02 PM

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wonderful, it even secures the modules in the red frags bp now :D

haughty wing May 23, 2024, 1:03 PM

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You'll probably still have to grab the 4th secure by hand though (the main point of the current Red is to survive long enough to grab it)

ancient knoll May 23, 2024, 3:09 PM

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tall jewel just realized something I removed, here's one more update

where's the rest of the package blue? XD

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here's the rest of the package blue XD

[Apparently FishFF existed, I forgot it did]

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nope, fishFF is a curse nobody should be forced to endure XD

this one's right

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haughty wing May 24, 2024, 12:24 PM

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I managed to validate the new stategy

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But I'll try to push it a bit more

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But perhaps even more...

haughty wing May 24, 2024, 12:51 PM

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Approaching the limit of my stats again, the BP can still go further

haughty wing May 24, 2024, 1:21 PM

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Min-maxed with a shoddy AI

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Here's the BP and the shoddy AI if someone wants them right now, I'll update the post after eating and doing more tests zVRNk6JIEP0rHV57g1BsesdhZiNwusU2bEeZFoSNOVRRpZRUFQRV0Nob+98nFUHdw17Ww3IwyI/3MvNl4l8dzEuaF0xq1fl892fneacLKujdFwVOTb/2fn/8485GWqM4NSTSZUGVzso4sWOInzxPYmOrnCOVGJQDWjYBm4mc6lI1ptpLWmz2xgYx1JCqnFLSGKd8W+mCpdRQGUeFXYMNgvaYZ5loWaqMkbYCZ5tE100dXw89nUgLlDOyZlD/5CAU6eSdqaRFU1Tos0VQkUqqVJNfSlbRQiFu4yxT2lBJVlDOJD3Z5/gJIEqugT7TtkLQ0prF9EhqqxIrpjSV4Gg0uXBdDHHmZHLNJNN740qwRoRM0A2qIcchDnMfrWaI1tEyth6MFIvtTZZtODWgDJwCdGFn6zWVCpKNhCKSlFIz2YqJs/KQ0zZV771ZPyIVgjCxcVmAME3WNbhe/+XctfzNSKqU9jqLz2dTG7U49XsNqN8RK87tNAe0hkoEaZZJmFJrWuxtWrOfhmbrVhFqp/LAbeTZOy1slTDKiUFYxRTg7XaZxrEeDNdWK5Dc0M7P3+46CgTNT9/Qy3b3EY8nOXGXg9e3tDtP/QcvDR/fglGOr2Kb3nz78s2BZyhJgky/Fzs9GQY9PhUWJ/1JRQIrdY7Pp8PPPDL9MlpN8nBvcer6W7Ly+Dd3VmE564aB1R0Ol5/i/nCPwD9/e7ZmT9aIPkfud+nloan+K35F3EE/Wr2UOBikJNjxqfQ/ooCXcd9LsFyEkTnS0Q9LY9PrYXdZhsGsi1YRzMPLyPUfrmsNJTYH8pCHAkvgsc+xmPFR36uI6e+noldFY18BXy82/bzBuS5JcLA89yBGW+JyE/JyLDxOnWSLTeuDuKOSOIt5KAZV3F+UsZlUsfAV1Lp1je+xOdrGggsUzCDXS2KhvAut+2HAu7DLLgrevdAc6NgdgcagBbNS3PcZaAD5uyoUIwV42Pvk0JOMVosXyG/0fXb+aW8fBpeaOn21LNJ1cs96zo1nfI3EAO7ltcRi1CWrya01nLb8LpdovLjtrTlaYHPWi+Huw9Wki5ydjOAOYGfb6eHbu9b1afywKpY4ufdS58Z9WB8Q36Mggu9pCXG4g/d/74XufpTe/fhxuvxf9fJ6cd8Swy1c3eEmPvxffe38/PsX

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The AI requires disabling regular Main and Time Loop in bluecat's AI

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Also, I can survive the middle part with just Nature + Light Focus on Town Skills min-maxed for damage

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And that allows for 15s extra on the run

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But putting more Skills into Resources was a net gain in my case

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Oh, and secures are manual with the shoddy AI

ancient knoll May 24, 2024, 1:32 PM

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this is made specifically for the red frags, right?

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the AI I mean

haughty wing May 24, 2024, 1:36 PM

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Yeah

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And specifically for my current strategy of using 3 Focuses

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'cos with slightly better stats 3-2-3 is possible

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It'd probably be better to include a delta(t) or an iteration counter

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So that I can keep using t in wait checks

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'cos that'd allow running it with LagSaver

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But I didn't bother

ancient knoll May 24, 2024, 1:38 PM

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well, borf sees to be running good for me, so let's get your AI set up :D

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so, you're waiting until t >= 14.99
activate the focuses
and waiting until t >= 60
you then get dark sacrifice
wait until t >= 75
use dark sacrifice again (I'm guessing 15 seconds is the cooldown of dark sarifice?)
wait until t >= 90
go back to the focuses

haughty wing May 24, 2024, 1:43 PM

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ancient knoll so, you're waiting until t >= 14.99 activate the focuses and waiting until t >= ...

No, 15s is the duration of DS

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I want a 2nd one when the first ends

ancient knoll May 24, 2024, 1:44 PM

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oh, so when it's no longer active, gotcha

haughty wing May 24, 2024, 1:44 PM

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It's basically DS, loop (Focuses, DS, DS)

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I guess loop (DS, Focuses, DS) would also work

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Thing is, though

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A week from now I'll probably need a version that uses 3 Focuses the first time around, then 2, and then 3 again

ancient knoll May 24, 2024, 1:49 PM

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ig it's better fitted for a winAI style AI

haughty wing May 24, 2024, 4:35 PM

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Better RNG, I guess... Ok, time to start updating

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Dark Sacrifice only Red
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For this version, simply loop Dark Sacrifice and grab the 4th secure as soon as possible

haughty wing May 25, 2024, 8:15 PM

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This will be fun

fresh steeple May 25, 2024, 8:15 PM

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ah yes

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the current graph design is much less built for weird locks

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you can still detect when they happen

haughty wing May 25, 2024, 8:17 PM

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Yeah

fresh steeple May 25, 2024, 8:17 PM

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but not produce a maxima point

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since it will be outside

haughty wing May 25, 2024, 8:17 PM

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Not really that much space to choose from in this case 😄

wheat glen May 28, 2024, 8:52 PM

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so i got to Dark realm nightmare 100b inf

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and while using the yellow BP i keep diying without getting anything

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i have 145 on red
125 on yellow
115 on purple
are my levels too low?

fresh steeple May 28, 2024, 9:09 PM

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145 is indeed on the lower side

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200 red is favorable

haughty wing May 28, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Try running at 60 fps, but yeah, that might be not enough firepower

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You can also try devolving the BP a bit: e.g. you can add Shoreline Boost for a small drop in efficiency and a huge buff in power

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And then Nature Focus, Light Focus...

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Or maybe Infinity Burst

wheat glen May 28, 2024, 9:27 PM

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i acciendly got the nar arifact lol

haughty wing May 28, 2024, 10:22 PM

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That's one way of getting more fragments 😄

haughty wing May 31, 2024, 11:02 AM

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Last run before the Hexalock

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First with Hexalock

haughty wing May 31, 2024, 11:31 AM

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Bit better

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Probably the limit for today

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Ok, update time

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Red Three Focus version + AI patch
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Turn off Main and Time Loop in the baseline AI: manual module disables required

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**AI patch for the latest Red: **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

Requires manual module secures
Disable Main and Time Loop in the AI
Compatible with modified LagSaver

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~~I'm sure Cod will love how I handled this~~

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The new Red strategy was DS, 3x (NF+LF, DS, DS), DS

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The last DS could be replaced with NF+LF theoretically, but I wasn't able to survive that

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I got 15 more! 😄

haughty wing May 31, 2024, 12:34 PM

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Also a new Purple (same BP and everything)

ancient knoll May 31, 2024, 12:34 PM

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haughty wing ~~I'm sure Cod will love how I handled this~~

handled what? XD

haughty wing May 31, 2024, 12:35 PM

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The AI above

ancient knoll May 31, 2024, 12:36 PM

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oh, I can't study it yet, soz XD
But, I love AI, so I'm sure I'll like whatever you did

haughty wing May 31, 2024, 12:38 PM

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I made a sausage chain of mains to go past the action limit 😄

ancient knoll May 31, 2024, 12:38 PM

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oh, I love that kind of stuff XD

haughty wing May 31, 2024, 12:57 PM

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Huh, I'm really close to running DRImp Yellow without ST3

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Even replacing it with regular Impetus was enough

haughty wing May 31, 2024, 1:33 PM

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Hmm, with a lucky start I can now do Purple without ST3

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So far this didn't result in a new idle (perhaps 'cos the early seconds are wobbly even if I survive them), but it allows for 2 Radars or Something

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:21 PM

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It's this time again!

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:22 PM

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haughty wing It's this time again!

new bp?

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:22 PM

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The strategy this time is DS, DS, loop a few times (NF+DF, LF+EF), DS

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:22 PM

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english?

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:22 PM

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Dark Sacrifice Twice

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Alternate Nature + Darkness Focus with Light + Earth Focus

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End on another Dark Sacrifice

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I am pretty close to dropping secondary Focuses and alternating just Light and Nature, but nooooot quiiiite

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:26 PM

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t!math 4400^0.8

severe kilnBOT Jun 16, 2024, 10:26 PM

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821.7924390439726 @winter junco

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:27 PM

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well that's still a lot of a boost :p

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:27 PM

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Yes, but they'd get replaced by a secondary Sub and Infinity Impetus

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So that'd reduce this 800 by quite a bit

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:29 PM

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why infinity impetus

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:29 PM

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Dunno - I tried multiple things in that slot and that one gave me the best results

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:30 PM

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hmmmm

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would it improve attack speed?

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:31 PM

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It shouldn't? But it should result in some damage multiplier, and all the good multipliers are already there

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:31 PM

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also pretty sure it deals damage depending on how close they are to the tower, taking tower range as a reference, isn't yours supposed to hit enemies as soon as they get onto the tower's range?

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:32 PM

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haughty wing It shouldn't? But it should result in some damage multiplier, and all the good m...

wouldn't 800x be better?

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:32 PM

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winter junco wouldn't 800x be better?

Yes, but the point is to reduce Energy spending

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:32 PM

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fair i guess

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what would you do with the energy tho

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:32 PM

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Run longer

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Get more uptime on 4th disable

winter junco Jun 16, 2024, 10:32 PM

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ah so

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fourth disable

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cool

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:33 PM

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The current version lives over 5 minutes, but it'll eventually go over 10 😄

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:37 PM

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winter junco also pretty sure it deals damage depending on how close they are to the tower, t...

I guess some of them do manage to get a litte closer, or maybe it's something to do with the weird Chaos geometry

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Like, what if the range plotted onto a plane extends past that sphere thing or something

polar cosmos Jun 16, 2024, 10:42 PM

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im not sure exactly how impetus interacts with chaos, does it also account for vertical displacement or not?

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 10:42 PM

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No idea

fresh steeple Jun 16, 2024, 10:43 PM

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polar cosmos im not sure exactly how impetus interacts with chaos, does it also account for v...

shouldn't

polar cosmos Jun 16, 2024, 10:43 PM

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would be a thing to test

fresh steeple Jun 16, 2024, 10:43 PM

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very hard to test

polar cosmos Jun 16, 2024, 10:43 PM

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eventually we will learn exactly how all 393 modules work once we test everything

fresh steeple Jun 16, 2024, 10:43 PM

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also the travel time

polar cosmos Jun 16, 2024, 10:46 PM

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yeah, unfortunately you cant 0 out enemy speed or do good distance calculations

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dr cubical should give us more things in tower testing to do science with

fresh steeple Jun 16, 2024, 10:49 PM

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polar cosmos yeah, unfortunately you cant 0 out enemy speed or do good distance calculations

if you can consistently hit an enemy in the same spot, first do inf imp, and get the damage multiplier, from this we know the distance, and can predict what happens when a normal impetus is added, then testing with said normal imp

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 11:02 PM

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AI patch for the new version of Red: 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Have only Main5, Main6 and Tick active from Bluecat's AI

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 11:42 PM

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It takes a few restarts, but I can now run Yellow DRImp without ST3. 15 minutes result:

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A 5-disable run could easily break 970k

fresh steeple Jun 16, 2024, 11:45 PM

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haughty wing It takes a few restarts, but I can now run Yellow DRImp without ST3. 15 minutes ...

43 modules total?

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 11:45 PM

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Yes

fresh steeple Jun 16, 2024, 11:45 PM

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that puts a 5 dis run at 977k at 99% eff

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987k total max

haughty wing Jun 16, 2024, 11:47 PM

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I probably won't be able to run it again for a bit after the current Global goes away

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'cos it's quite close right now

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 12:08 AM

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I can also run Purple without using ST3 now, which allows for 2 Radars

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All right, update time

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(Old) Dual Focus Red with its AI patch: 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

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 1:36 AM

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haughty wing I am pretty close to dropping secondary Focuses and alternating just Light and N...

I moved some Skill Points around, aaaand

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Over 10 minutes 😄

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I'll update the top post tommorow, it got late over here

fresh steeple Jun 17, 2024, 1:48 AM

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haughty wing Over 10 minutes 😄

so you have 3 total DS activations, and the rest just focuses, that'd be 675 seconds

fathom ermine Jun 17, 2024, 4:15 AM

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polar cosmos im not sure exactly how impetus interacts with chaos, does it also account for v...

I don't think so

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 9:24 AM

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fresh steeple so you have 3 total DS activations, and the rest just focuses, that'd be 675 sec...

There were 4 DS activations - I did 2 at the end, I switched after a Focus got wobbly

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I was also running this by hand which lost some seconds

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 10:16 AM

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haughty wing There were 4 DS activations - I did 2 at the end, I switched after a Focus got w...

No, wait, I tried again now, and there are 3 DS activations, but the run is 630, 'cos Subs actually add up over this time (there might be technically enough left for 1 more Focus, but I won't survive that)

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I improved the run slightly with the help of AI and the apparently maxed (except for damage) Globals:

ancient knoll Jun 17, 2024, 10:32 AM

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well, close to max
(I saw the edit, a little too late) XD

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 10:33 AM

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AI patch for the 2 Focuses Alternating version: 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

Other mains and Timeloop should be disabled - manual Secures required
Alternative version with a longer run time: 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And it's not even all that shoddy for a change

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Quad Focus Alternating version of Red with AI patch: 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Old Red Hub
Listed from most efficient to least stat-hungry:
Quad Focus: #1227586381929386036 message
Dual Focus with older logic: #1227586381929386036 message
Tri-Focus: #1227586381929386036 message
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PLACEHOLDER just in case

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 10:53 AM

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All right, semblance of sanity has been restored (although it's a bit of a link maze now)

winter junco Jun 17, 2024, 1:35 PM

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@haughty wing i have a question, how much difference do you think there is from DRimp to chnm

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 1:37 PM

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Not a lot, at best 3.5%, but less in practice ('cos it tends to require extra modules, and the range thing is also an issue)

winter junco Jun 17, 2024, 1:38 PM

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okay, ty

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 1:38 PM

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Yellow should be getting the best benefit there

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As I think the module count is the same, and it reduces the range issues by being a Borf

winter junco Jun 17, 2024, 1:39 PM

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it was for some other bp i am trying to test, if it all goes right, i'll give it to you, so you can see if it is good or not

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it would need to run at chnm, but has less modules as part of its core

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 1:40 PM

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All right, sounds interesting

winter junco Jun 17, 2024, 1:40 PM

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of course, i would still need to finish i100b

haughty wing Jun 17, 2024, 1:44 PM

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Hmm, a bit of an issue, but it isn't that far off from i100b - if it works over there, then it might also work higher (maybe with a couple more orders of magnitude in damage)

winter junco Jun 17, 2024, 2:13 PM

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haughty wing Hmm, a bit of an issue, but it isn't that far off from i100b - if it works over ...

yeah that's the problem, i should have enough damage, but i'm not sure

haughty wing Jun 18, 2024, 10:00 PM

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winter junco it would need to run at chnm, but has less modules as part of its core

Hm, is it Neutral-based, perhaps? 'cos I ran some tests with that, and the damage wasn't there: it seemed that I'd need to get my Purple modules to something like Tier 215-220 to make it work

winter junco Jun 22, 2024, 12:47 PM

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lol pls ping next time

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it is just that
i am not too short, tho i have T200 purple

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if somebody can alternate between locks (hasn't used their frags) it is definitely runnable

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or if they have T205 (preferably T210) purple with insane stats

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 1:46 PM

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winter junco it is just that i am not too short, tho i have T200 purple

Interesting, I think I recall the main issue being with Light and Universals and their e220+ Shields

winter junco Jun 22, 2024, 2:15 PM

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well, i am not too short was an understatement

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i think i am dealing like e213 or something

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 2:26 PM

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Ah, that's more along the lines of what I saw, yeah

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 2:26 PM

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winter junco i think i am dealing like e213 or something

So the 215-220 Purple estimate seems to hold, as each tier of those is x4, I believe?

winter junco Jun 22, 2024, 2:30 PM

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i dunno, it scales really fast, which is the reason why i said T205 or T210

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 2:30 PM

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Then again, I wasn't killing enemies at all in my tests, and Uni. Gift might start taking off once you're closer

winter junco Jun 22, 2024, 2:30 PM

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i might be completely wrong on the damage tho, i would have to check

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 2:30 PM

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So you might be right

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 11:52 PM

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I don't know if I should add this to the pinned 😄 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On one hand, I'm quite proud of the mechanics behind it

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On another, it's an abomination 😄

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@fresh steeple You'll probably get a kick out of this one. The idea is to start with ST2 and Hurricane, swap ST2 for ST when it's about to run out, keep refreshing Hurricane, grab 4th Disable, end after 3 Hurricanes

fresh steeple Jun 22, 2024, 11:54 PM

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I'll see how this works

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 11:54 PM

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Requires a lot of restarts to get going

fresh steeple Jun 22, 2024, 11:55 PM

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so you trade a blue module for longer lifespan (4th dis) and more att speed

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 11:55 PM

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Mostly lifespan

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It triggers Overcharge and Strike Back by abusing Sky Blessing

fresh steeple Jun 22, 2024, 11:55 PM

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yes

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no more focused multishot??

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crazy

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 11:57 PM

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It somehow works without it

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Might be losing a tiny bit of kps

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With more natural Range (and possibly more levels of Knight's? Not sure) it might be possible to swap Hurricane for Infinity Range

fresh steeple Jun 22, 2024, 11:58 PM

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knight reduces range

haughty wing Jun 22, 2024, 11:58 PM

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I tried that variant, and it worked, but it lost a bit of kps

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Yeah, it'd need to be a net gain

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It should also do better with maxed Globals

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'cos of the 4th disable

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@winter junco I got the thing working 😄

polar cosmos Jun 23, 2024, 12:00 AM

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any disables reccomended?

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:00 AM

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Not really, maybe Hurricane and Knight's just in case an enemy gets too much range from them? But that's unlikely

polar cosmos Jun 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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and not elec?

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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haughty wing Not really, maybe Hurricane and Knight's just in case an enemy gets too much ran...

knight is a positive mimic

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enemies cant use it

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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Ah, I see

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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so it only reduces their range

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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Good to know

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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that works in general with any "toggleables"

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:02 AM

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polar cosmos and not elec?

Oh, you meant Era? Thouse should all be disabled

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Overchange is triggered with Reflect

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Apparently

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 12:02 AM

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haughty wing <@1015311314886873098> I got the thing working 😄

great job! i'll try it out later, ty

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:02 AM

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haughty wing Overchange is triggered with Reflect

what about elec barrier?

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is it needed?

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:02 AM

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Didn't work

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No, it's not

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:02 AM

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wb inf reflect

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:03 AM

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That's needed

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:03 AM

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for strikeback, right.

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:03 AM

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In tandem with Regen it keeps you under 60% HP

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Yeah

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Right, I should remove Elec Barrier from the BP

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As it's only causing early deaths

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:04 AM

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yes.

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:06 AM

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Chaos Nightmare 100b
Start by activating Super Tower 2 and Hurricane. Replace ST2 with ST when it's about to run out. Keep refreshing Hurricane, end once the 3rd one is about to run out
Secure Sky Blessing first
Make sure to grab the 4th secure as soon as possible - maximizing Tower Testing XP helps
You'll need multiple restarts to get this working
Old variant with more sanity to it: #1227586381929386036 message

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Stone Foundation should be fine, I guess

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:14 AM

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haughty wing Stone Foundation should be fine, I guess

how many resets to get an actual run?

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oh nvm

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:24 AM

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haughty wing <@543967098850902027> You'll probably get a kick out of this one. The idea is to...

was this ability shuffle not possible before, because of the lack of attack speed?
the 4th dis only gives the back the lost blue module though

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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It's not fully lost though, 'cos you're trading for Grey

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So it's not as bad as trading for another off-color

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:31 AM

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fresh steeple was this ability shuffle not possible before, because of the lack of attack spee...

Nah, I just didn't think of the Sky Blessing + Barrier trick

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:33 AM

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haughty wing So it's not as bad as trading for another off-color

gives -0.5% overall, tho maybe the increased stability and runtime recover that

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:34 AM

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Yeah

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:34 AM

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still not 601k

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:35 AM

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And once you get the 4th Disable it should actually be a gain in terms of ratio

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:36 AM

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nah

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haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:36 AM

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4th

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That's a 3 😛

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:36 AM

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oh true

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:37 AM

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fresh steeple still not 601k

does that mean you just have more time after 4th dis?

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:37 AM

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Maybe? I did run this on a hexalock

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With 2.515 Anvil boost

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Since it's just ChNm, you might be able to run a hexalock on this too

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:38 AM

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I cant unlock atm, I spent the frags

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:38 AM

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Ah

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:39 AM

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my permanent is only 2.09

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:45 AM

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fresh steeple was this ability shuffle not possible before, because of the lack of attack spee...

Ah, I misunderstood the question. Yes, Attack Speed was the issue, both Towers and Hurricane need to be running on the old version, otherwise kps gets wobbly

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I did a compromise in the pinneds

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 12:56 AM

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haughty wing Ah, I misunderstood the question. Yes, Attack Speed was the issue, both Towers a...

I see

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:52 AM

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...I made a DRImp version

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And I made it better to the point where the whole thing isn't stupid anymore

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haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 10:20 AM

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Previous Blue: 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

Chaos Nightmare 100b
Activate both Towers and Hurricane, and don't forget to refresh the latter

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Slightly better run

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 12:29 PM

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I also bumped up my Red a little bit by extending the run to 11:45

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 1:37 PM

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Oh, Reflect isn't needed on DRImp

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Barriers didn't trigger Overcharge on ChNm, 'cos Electric enemies don't have Shields on Nightmare

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And a version without Reflect seems to have an easier time getting started

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 2:12 PM

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I've updated ChNm version to have Basic Shield instead of Reflect - that's good enough to trigger Overcharge

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 6:50 PM

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@fresh steeple Well, nevermind all that above, there's a new version in town 😄

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 6:50 PM

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wow

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 6:50 PM

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Behold, my greatest invention! 😄

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Immortal DRImp Borf without Energy Regen

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The above score was from a 15 minute run

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But it can go forever

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 6:51 PM

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power conversion op?

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 6:51 PM

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Yup

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 6:51 PM

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nice

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looks like you need a loooot of damage

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 6:52 PM

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Nah

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I just didn't know what else to put there

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So might as well lower the damage requirements

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 9:12 PM

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haughty wing I also bumped up my Red a little bit by extending the run to 11:45

do you start with nature focus or something?

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:20 PM

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No, this one was a single DS, alternations 'till it became unstable, and one more DS

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:21 PM

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hi

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i am back

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:21 PM

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haughty wing <@543967098850902027> Well, nevermind all that above, there's a new version in t...

I only got 6.159e5, is there something i am doing wrong or-

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:22 PM

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How long did you run it for?

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:22 PM

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uhhhhh

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t!math 4495 / 60

severe kilnBOT Jun 23, 2024, 9:22 PM

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74.91666666666667 @winter junco

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:22 PM

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oh

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according to this an hour-

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Huh

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:23 PM

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yeah no

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i prob just got it wrong

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Was the fps set to 60 + some lag saver to keep it there?

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4th secure is also important

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:23 PM

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haughty wing Was the fps set to 60 + some lag saver to keep it there?

no, but i did get 4 secures

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also i saw the problem

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i had 2 tick scripts

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lol

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:26 PM

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I've finished a long run of my own now

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Around 100 minutes

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:26 PM

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t!math 632429 / 630703

severe kilnBOT Jun 23, 2024, 9:26 PM

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1.0027366288094397 @winter junco

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:26 PM

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~~why~~

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:27 PM

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It was also a stability test

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:27 PM

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oh cool

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is it stable?

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:28 PM

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Seems so

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 9:49 PM

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haughty wing Seems so

btw, for the red, am i supposed to run Main 7 with Main, or only Main 7?

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Only Main 7

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And secures are manual

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Also no Time Loop, but yes to tick

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 10:00 PM

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okay thanks!

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 10:33 PM

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@winter junco All right, here's a prototype of the pusher based on this tech. The default version was made for survival, and I wasn't able to kill it with lag - even setting the game to 30 fps and wildly resizing the window didn't kill it, and this was without using LagSaver. The Contracts version meets 6/8 contracts, but severe lag can kill it 7VVNc+I4EP0rqZy3vGAPW2Fdc+AjOKESZiAbG7Q1B32BhSXZK8skZmv/+7YxJiYzU5UDx+HgcotW9+vX/dr/XhNZ8MwIbfPrP6/+vn5Kyquh4Tjhxs8zLqWjCmlFHqf2aOdFxg1JC025j63FNHE0toXhuU0LGvvUCHs8GasNXJI4jx0uueK6+cMXKuO2yBszLzU3m9LZYIGboJCNs8Y4+vu5NSLhTp5KbPz6ssNwSWSaqlOUXSrYKYMUm9jWoA6vFaZjUMaxjV+gtpMzx8a+WQybRPM8b/wLLXbc5Fj6JE1z6wAphkuhAT+GBGtB+eGOnxckF7nlQNGpwtZRC9JbyIN5yF8hPFgE54LWrw2UA6OtUDXg9skJ9DqlbwTXRp24fn/ndwx06PDaYFqDtlxo4dAYQ5EM8EjpY5KnJrMi1Q7+p8AWEKbrNdc5FOLEHLO40FboDcQtNMMHRwIEclP6NNVVtdVRlr7AhBFsjODmCKyxsIDZiwWX7EgBLgwGVMC5z+sW1+cbsT5RyJtxyGBUUxgFG3MgxT+Nr3MoFEaKSCgbEDp5UjZ52q016zZ2odfAgS19xqsqK4LFJs0Aann921VbL1ejVNuKuvyXcn4p50PKuaRGjEqNY/i6SlgrhsacJtXEYcMuLpxGDqSQL4fOfVRI199ANjn0Jjt+cm7DmeFPwxFVYYzdsPySTLtIof3g7feletwqFpPouSBRP2HRq3zQM7nywhLN4y1xe3sWTAo2mD+hIFQo6u3RUy9ZRVITbxhTPe2NAyaJCkscPRbUW+zo4Oze/Nm1vfvbaYmiiUHL+z/mql+iTV9DLEmV3D6o8BOKZl0WPN+v3H4VIyZ6fns7+Q7/jqrVV+SGBVpOs1XZkzwIt2y5kKNgtiN61llFvc5wOPwLe8lmrqdyFVlJt9mIeFM1dt9womVc1dh5V+OPscasQzwmqehZ4i66JHgu2HImcXS8N4z1KurKB9XdobswB37ilbfImHouwCdBy81ZXWN3uiPerAM8p4BLkkAWaHHhHHoG/08zBPwe+rWcmgn0hgGPrRhd6oZZw1sQvJsDNdmyQLrglxG1kPy8r49I9YH7x4KoSYctp/LC8R9O8QOp8d18yYK+Bz1pzWm4R5Fsal4hd2Ih1om/VTTr4CWCPMBvEH46m5FBTxF31qVlzQ3MxZ6+XrYHIxftYMb2MN+gk0V6YX6+UG8Is/NSID2tcHSpen5sacMDjXbaNQ9eGtkPB23NIrffIS/t2Pd3lVf1Gf6JBlsr5LF6XLg3/T0NwpyMehZigV+lkwv3fzhpcuzZcgh7aLpjUW+L5q+tvcR2LLhp93Q0mFflfv78Y266MY4+DSuPcXTspQo9qvpdouY185vq2coBeIg3ON97P9nbH9hfi+/2l4adrR8/NhdfB79/8Fswp26coeg1gR4UFccU9g05q4vFeDlv1zVuJuZmfPP0vlegg221Q87n4FWQAHTpQv/K3h52+ufrb//9Dw==

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It apparently can die to lag on lower infinities, presumably due to insufficient enemies copying the barriers

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Ah, right, and the Barriers won't work well on lower difficulties where most enemies don't have shields

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Hmm, it seems to be most stable on DRImp 100b and ChImp 100b, lane count also affects it, I think

winter junco Jun 23, 2024, 10:46 PM

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thank you!

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 10:47 PM

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This might be a failed experiment, I'm not sure - or maybe only good in some circumstances (and dunno how it compares to other max kps pushers)

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 11:01 PM

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fresh steeple looks like you need a loooot of damage

I replaced Photo with Uni. Shield and now it's a lot easier to get this started

fresh steeple Jun 23, 2024, 11:01 PM

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it's easy enough

haughty wing Jun 23, 2024, 11:02 PM

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It wasn't too bad, but with Uni it usually works on first try

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:06 AM

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haughty wing ```ZVJNjt0gDL7K6B0Aqeqi6tB211NUXRjiBBQCkW3eTFT17jUhL8rrrII/jL8f58/NpYorxSx8e335d...

gonna just ask ya here so it's connected immediately
Is this functional with the AI made by bluecat or does it use a seperate AI?

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or is it all manual?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:14 AM

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The secures are different, so manual I suppose

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:15 AM

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the abilities can just be stolen from your pusher?

fathom ermine Jun 24, 2024, 10:15 AM

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well, it's not that hard to modify the AI so it disables the correct stuff

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:16 AM

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ancient knoll the abilities can just be stolen from your pusher?

What you linked to was the idle setter, not the pusher, but either way, Infinity enemies copy stuff

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And in case of a lag spike they might hit you up close, triggering your own Barriers - which might trigger their copied Sky Blessing

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And that'd be bad

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It could also happen early in the run, before your damage escalated - in which case disabling SB first would be recommended

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:18 AM

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haughty wing What you linked to was the idle setter, not the pusher, but either way, Infinity...

yea I know
is the logic made for the fragment idler equivelent the that put in the pusher (like the general structure) or is it just fully incompatible?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:19 AM

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The AI for the pusher should mostly work on the setter, I think? But you'll have to manually disable ST3

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:19 AM

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neato, oki doki, much appreciated

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:36 AM

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haughty wing The AI for the pusher should mostly work on the setter, I think? But you'll have...

do you think keeping any of the era powers could help?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:40 AM

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I don't think so?

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:41 AM

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only active modules you use are the classic borf and super tower 3, ye?

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or do you not use super tower 3?

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I gave it a shot and it ded XD
Should I not go for chimp?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:44 AM

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The setter is designed for DRImp 100b

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:44 AM

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tried it in drimp and instant death XD

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:45 AM

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Yeah, you need to bring the damage for the setters

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The pusher will be better at pushing, as it has more damage stuff

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:46 AM

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changed the AI to this
Secures super tower 3 and sky blessing immediately and then I just added some extra locks that shouldn't matter much 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didn't add any timings, I don't know if you made it with timings in mind

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:49 AM

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I did account for timing: at the start of the run you can only secure a single thing

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Then another after the first attacks, and a 3rd one a second or so later

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And a 4th after a few minutes, but that depends on the BP (Yellow secures a 4th in few seconds)

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Most BPs won't get to a 5th in any sane amount of time

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Well, I guess they might just towards the end of a 100b push

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:52 AM

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well no, I meant as in module timings
I guess it's just use super tower?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:53 AM

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Yes, and even that's optional

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 10:53 AM

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then it's prob just not enough damg

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 10:54 AM

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Yeah - the setters are damage-hungry on purpose

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They have built-in choices that trade multiple es for like a 2% Fragment gain (or less)

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There are probably only a few players who can run all of them without changes at the intended Regdiffs

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:17 AM

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oh, I just forgot the blueprint was rng based XD
whoopsies

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:23 AM

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haughty wing ```ZVJNjt0gDL7K6B0Aqeqi6tB211NUXRjiBBQCkW3eTFT17jUhL8rrrII/jL8f58/NpYorxSx8e335d...

oki neato
we have a full package now :D

📎 message.txt

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:26 AM

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haughty wing Yes, and even that's optional

could using it on specific intervals possibly improve the dps in any way?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 11:30 AM

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It's only needed to buy time for Uni. Gift (and Photosynthesis, if included)

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If it was enough, then you won't need it afterwards

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If it wasn't enough, then the run failed in the early seconds

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:31 AM

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oh, so there's no need to keep using it?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 11:32 AM

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Yeah

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:33 AM

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so the extra max shield is useless, pretty much, huh?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 11:36 AM

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Yes

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:44 AM

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if our health is guaranteed to not be at 100%, is there a reason not to add bulwark?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 11:46 AM

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Bulwark buffs enemy HP

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And the pusher version is supposed to survive through various damage negations, so Bulwark won't help with that

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(It is good for Contracts, though, which is why I included it in the Contracts version)

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Oh, but the pusher has 100% health

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You'd like the add Bulwark to the setter? It won't help with anything there

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:52 AM

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haughty wing Bulwark buffs enemy HP

how can bulwark buff enemy hp if it's secured before any enemy can mimic it?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 11:52 AM

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Ah, then it doesn't

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:54 AM

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cus yea, I'm just trying to replace 1 time use things with things that could permanently help
absolute zero maybe?

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 11:55 AM

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That'd lose the Annihilist contract

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:55 AM

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contracts help fragments?

fathom ermine Jun 24, 2024, 11:55 AM

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yes?

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 11:55 AM

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damn I'm bad XD

haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 11:56 AM

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They're sort of the most important thing 😛

fathom ermine Jun 24, 2024, 11:56 AM

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I think they might be important, idk for sure

ancient knoll Jun 24, 2024, 12:14 PM

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I got Chnm working :D

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haughty wing Jun 24, 2024, 3:27 PM

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Oh, that's interesting: Sky Breaker can do a full speed Borf with Harmonizer just fine

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 12:50 AM

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1 hour run:

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And there was still a lot of energy left

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The BP was the same, but thanks to better stats I was able to let go and stop using Actives after a few Focuses

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I think this is like 99.84% of theoretical maximum with 4 secures?

fresh steeple Jul 6, 2024, 9:50 AM

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haughty wing I think this is like 99.84% of theoretical maximum with 4 secures?

yes, completely nuts

novel topaz Jul 6, 2024, 5:14 PM

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I need to ramp up my locks I guess :). Close but not quite

fresh steeple Jul 6, 2024, 5:31 PM

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I also could run without abilities, but only gave me 99.6% after 1 hour, just not stable enough

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 5:34 PM

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I did run with LagSaver, so that might've helped. And on Hexalock, so the 4th disable had a better uptime

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 7:57 PM

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**AI for the most recent version: **

📎 message.txt

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**Credits: **
@tall jewel - original Extreme Fragment Farming AI, WaterCat
@thorn tapir - original LagSaver
@fresh steeple - shorter pause-only LagSaver used as the basis for the one here
@orchid crest - the ticky thing
@ancient knoll - the clicky thing

** Instructions:**

Only works with the most recent BPs and execution strategies. Older AIs posted around this thread won't be compatible, but can be adapted to work
Only one of the following should be enabled: RedMain, BlueMain, YellowMain, PurpleMain
Don't change resolution after starting a run or the LagSaver will stop working
In PurpleMain, you can change Exit tower testing to Restart tower testing to get multiple runs (helpful against the RNG)

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Old AI by @tall jewel :#1227586381929386036 message
Potentially useful tweaks to make in the old AI: #1227586381929386036 message
(The old AI doesn't support the current version of Red. A basic patch can be found here: #1227586381929386036 message)

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I've tested the AI and it seems to be working, but it'd be great if other people also took it for a spin

ancient knoll Jul 6, 2024, 8:34 PM

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oh no, you used something I did XD
what was it, I might have to fix it

winter junco Jul 6, 2024, 8:34 PM

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lmao

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 8:35 PM

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It's the first line in LagSavers

ancient knoll Jul 6, 2024, 8:35 PM

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oh
the relative vector

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 8:35 PM

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It locates the pause button at any resolution

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Yeah

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And it seems to be working

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As long as the window isn't resized after the run starts

idle axle Jul 6, 2024, 8:36 PM

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up to date BPs are in the first post, or should I scour the thread?

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 8:36 PM

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It'd be easy to remove that limitation, but I don't want to execute that block of code every few frames

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 8:36 PM

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idle axle up to date BPs are in the first post, or should I scour the thread?

First post is up to date

ancient knoll Jul 6, 2024, 8:37 PM

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haughty wing As long as the window isn't resized after the run starts

I fixed this with my autoclicker, want an implementation of it? XD

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 8:38 PM

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How is it fixed, though? Does it just recalculate the vector in a loop?

ancient knoll Jul 6, 2024, 8:39 PM

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it um.... does some special actions


:local vector screen_size
:local vector clicker
:local double timer

#identifier "DOS.SuperClickAtomicVersion"
#hider "<size=0><line-height=0um>" . {identifier}

; start AI
global.string.set({hider}, global.string.get({hider}) . "</line-height></size>")

refresh_screensize:
screen_size = vec(width.d(), height.d())
timer = now()

update_clicker:
clicker = {pos.relative(695.0 / 800.0, 270.0 / 450.0, 1.0, 0.0)}

clicking:
click(clicker)
gotoif(if(\
  x(screen_size) != width.d() || y(screen_size) != height.d(), \
  refresh_screensize, \
  if(\
    now() - timer <= 25.0, \
    update_clicker, \
    clicking\
  )\
), contains("</line-height></size>", global.string.get({hider})))

global.unset({hider})```

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 8:40 PM

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Nah, I'll keep it as it is: I've tried to keep the AI relatively lightweight on what it does

ancient knoll Jul 6, 2024, 8:41 PM

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:D

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 8:41 PM

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So it doesn't slow things down too much

tall jewel Jul 6, 2024, 10:57 PM

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haughty wing **AI for the most recent version: **

could you export the source too? (if it has one)

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 10:58 PM

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I made it using the in-game editor, with the exception of the first line in LagSavers

tall jewel Jul 6, 2024, 10:59 PM

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ah okay

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oh its 15 scripts

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Yeah

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I wanted it to be very modular so that it's easy to change and understand

winter junco Jul 6, 2024, 11:02 PM

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oh it is?

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i didn't have time to import

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mp i might need you to make it in less space XD

haughty wing Jul 6, 2024, 11:03 PM

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You can store some stuff in Notepad, I guess

winter junco Jul 6, 2024, 11:03 PM

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fine fine

ancient knoll Jul 7, 2024, 9:56 AM

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tall jewel could you export the source too? (if it has one)

gotcha :D

📎 message.txt

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about 12 hours late, but I gotcha

haughty wing Jul 7, 2024, 12:49 PM

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The AI seems to be still working, so that's good. I've also added a note that PurpleMain can be altered to restart after 80s instead of stopping

tall jewel Jul 7, 2024, 4:23 PM

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ancient knoll gotcha :D

Yeah I was working on a compressed version

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But with more editability

ancient knoll Jul 7, 2024, 4:24 PM

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you want to crunch?

tall jewel Jul 7, 2024, 4:25 PM

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Right now I have to reimport the swatercat and make the security into a var (which is like 2 changes)

📎 message.txt

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And I have to test if the borf/lagsaver/disabler combo works

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I think those messages came in the wrong order

ancient knoll Jul 7, 2024, 4:26 PM

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wrong order?

tall jewel Jul 7, 2024, 4:26 PM

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Funny discord

ancient knoll Jul 7, 2024, 4:26 PM

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oh

somber geyser Jul 7, 2024, 11:02 PM

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haughty wing **AI for the most recent version: **

so which ones are supposed to be on? i understood only one of the color mains but then there are 10 others which idunno about

and also what software am i supposed to have on

haughty wing Jul 7, 2024, 11:19 PM

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somber geyser so which ones are supposed to be on? i understood only one of the color mains bu...

Three color Mains should be off and everything else on

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It'll do the Software settings for you

somber geyser Jul 7, 2024, 11:19 PM

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ah thanks

novel topaz Jul 8, 2024, 9:47 PM

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@haughty wing , would you post in your lock and module levels here?

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I suggest right below your high scores for reference

haughty wing Jul 8, 2024, 9:51 PM

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Hmm, I can, but I'm not sure how helpful that'd be, as those don't apply to all BPs equally

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E.g. the current Blue is probably pretty easy to run, compared to others

novel topaz Jul 8, 2024, 9:54 PM

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I had issues with damage with blue, could still help there also

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had to do the swap out with ST3(?)

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er, photosnthesis

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anyways, I think it's a helpful benchmark...it's not the minimum, but gives data on what you are working with

haughty wing Jul 8, 2024, 10:25 PM

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All right, I'll add a note

tall jewel Jul 8, 2024, 11:14 PM

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@haughty wing any reason why purple has the exit at the end but red doesn't?

haughty wing Jul 8, 2024, 11:15 PM

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Purple is supposed to run for exactly 80 seconds, Red can go for over an hour (maybe two) before its Energy gets too low (and the longer it goes, the better)

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The Actives are there just to buy time for Uni. Gift

somber geyser Jul 10, 2024, 1:47 PM

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haughty wing Purple is supposed to run for exactly 80 seconds, Red can go for over an hour (m...

i thought longer was worse im really confused

haughty wing Jul 10, 2024, 1:49 PM

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Nope, longer is better if it's at sustained peak efficiency

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The Purple BP in this cases loses its peak killing speed after 80s, so that's where it has to stop

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The Red one does not, so it can keep going

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And about 2-3 minutes in, it gets an extra Secure

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And going longer increases its effect on the average

somber geyser Jul 10, 2024, 1:54 PM

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ah i guess as long as it remains the same killspeed

haughty wing Jul 10, 2024, 1:54 PM

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Yeah

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And the first couple seconds of every run are bad

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So you want to reduce their impact on the average

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By making them a smaller fraction of the run

bright nexus Jul 11, 2024, 11:19 PM

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Ai definitely has some bug
in that it exits tower testing automatically when i try to re enter after exiting unless restarted (due to the t variable most likely)

haughty wing Jul 11, 2024, 11:21 PM

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Hm, which AI are you using? The linked one?

bright nexus Jul 11, 2024, 11:22 PM

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"Ai for the most recent version"

haughty wing Jul 11, 2024, 11:23 PM

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Hm, strange, the only one that should be exiting the run is PurpleMain, and only after 80s on t

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Ah, t reaches 80 when you're outside TT, and that exit line instantly tiggers when you re-enter, before Main gets to reset t?

bright nexus Jul 11, 2024, 11:28 PM

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nope, something weirder
even if t < 80 it happens

haughty wing Jul 11, 2024, 11:29 PM

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Ah

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That's LagSaver

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It clicks where the pause buttons was

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And apparently it does it like a maniac

bright nexus Jul 11, 2024, 11:29 PM

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why are there 2 lagsavers anyways

haughty wing Jul 11, 2024, 11:29 PM

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One if for Borfs

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Those should run with game set to 60 fps so it prevents them from falling down below 55

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The other is for non-borfs, with the 120 somewhat arbitrarily picked as "good enough"

bright nexus Jul 11, 2024, 11:30 PM

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additionally something does not like having the unfocused mode on
probably lagsaver
but it screws up the t counter

haughty wing Jul 11, 2024, 11:32 PM

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Hmm, I don't think I've tested unfocused mode - I did my long runs with Dynamic Rendering off, or without unfocusing

fresh steeple Jul 11, 2024, 11:33 PM

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is "t" made using ticks? or just waits

haughty wing Jul 11, 2024, 11:33 PM

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It runs two of those

fresh steeple Jul 11, 2024, 11:34 PM

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yes

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thats tick

haughty wing Jul 11, 2024, 11:46 PM

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Patch for the LagSaver issue 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Athough I don't think I'll use it myself, as that's an extra Script running

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I guess I could just roll it into Main to save space

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But that'd still be an extra Script running

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 11:52 AM

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haughty wing Patch for the LagSaver issue ```lVTNb5swFP9XKs478DmJST3YCzhBCS1usMFVDzGu5iYGsVEC...

lagsaver 120 is for everyone besides yellow?
and yellow is 55?

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 11:57 AM

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No, Blue is also a Borf

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 11:58 AM

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so, blue and yellow 55, red and purple 120?

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 11:58 AM

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Yes

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 11:58 AM

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oki doki

novel topaz Jul 12, 2024, 12:02 PM

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Blue can face tank the spikes

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:09 PM

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7 6 12 17

4 3 6 8
2 1 3 4
purple -> blue -> red -> yellow

mp, would you mind it if I switch the order of things a little?

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actually, I don't think I even know how to do it without switching the order

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 12:28 PM

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Order of what?

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:28 PM

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which fragment type is counted first

I can't do it in red blue yellow purple, I'm sorry

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 12:29 PM

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Counted?

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Like, the order in which Main starts the sub-mains or something?

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:29 PM

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I mean, I could but it'll add more complexity than it needs

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:31 PM

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haughty wing Like, the order in which Main starts the sub-mains or something?

no no, secures
It's surprisingly simple to detect which bp is used with these 4, so I can just crunch it all into 6-7 scripts

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 12:32 PM

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Some of the secures are more important than other, so it'd depend on case-by-base basis

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Also, those BPs might still change, so detection methods might stop working

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:34 PM

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ancient knoll 7 6 12 17 4 3 6 8 2 1 3 4 purple -> blue -> red -> yellow mp, would you mind i...

the secures stay in the same way

I'm just putting them all into a string and indexing it via the detected bp using this

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:34 PM

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haughty wing Also, those BPs might still change, so detection methods might stop working

it's fine, when it stops working, I'll change it again XD

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 12:35 PM

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ancient knoll the secures stay in the same way I'm just putting them all into a string and in...

Then I'm not really sure what you're asking

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:36 PM

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nah, I was just asking if you'd rather them be calculated in the red blue yellow purple order or if I'm fine to change it so it's easier

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idk how to make it be in RBYP order, so ignore tha question XD

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 12:38 PM

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Calculated?

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:40 PM

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say we have the string:

module1; module2; module3; ... moduleX; end of red secures start of blue secures module1; module2; module....
and so on for the rest of the things

I'm making them all have equal spacing, so it's easy to index

index * 0 = red
index * 1 = blue
and so on
ya get it?

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that's the calculation XD

and I can't do that, so I need to make it be
index * 0 = purple
index * 1 = blue
index * 2 = red
index * 3 = yellow

this is what I was asking, if you'd rather I make it be RBYP or no XD

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 12:43 PM

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I'm not sure how I was supposed to get that without explanation, but sure, seems fine, as long as it ultimately works the same

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:43 PM

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yea, you definitely weren't XD

I'm in a completely different world rn XD

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 12:46 PM

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oh reminds me to finish my ai

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:47 PM

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tall jewel oh reminds me to finish my ai

you got a bp checker made?
If not, I can give you mine

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 12:47 PM

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yeh

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 12:48 PM

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ya got it?
neat

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 12:48 PM

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only thing left I have to add is the exit/restart after timerloop end

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I wish I could still return void functions

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would make it one line

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and logicable

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 2:45 PM

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@ancient knoll test this for me pls <3

📎 message.txt

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 2:48 PM

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oki dokio, bye bye chimp XD

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 2:48 PM

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oh

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wait you're still there

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 2:49 PM

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wow, just 4 scripts?

Super compact XD

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 2:49 PM

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I wanted to add something to skills but it was 25 already

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 2:50 PM

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should I give it a real run or just tester run?

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tester runs*

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 2:50 PM

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just see if it runs every skill correctly

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most of the dev time was making the api

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ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 2:51 PM

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well that sucks

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 2:51 PM

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oh right

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forgot to check the lagsaver issue

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 2:52 PM

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well, lagsaver works, it's just that I can't see the screen without activating it

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that was shit wording, lol

I can't be in tower testing without it pausing since I can't get more than 60 fps
I need to have the game in focus so the game renders the skill uses

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 2:53 PM

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I'm just gonna add something to be able to disable lagsaver

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okay new var in main

📎 message.txt

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 2:55 PM

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dark sacrifice + googles influence and then instant death XD

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tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 2:56 PM

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does the normal ai work?

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 2:57 PM

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nope

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 2:57 PM

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okay then no issue

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probably need less difficulity

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 2:59 PM

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oki, red frags works :D

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seems to work with blue

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isn't yellow supposed to exit?

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 3:03 PM

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did it not?

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 3:03 PM

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tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 3:04 PM

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pretty sure its purple that exits

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yes its purple

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yellow is just spamloop

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 3:09 PM

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brilliant, everything is functional from the looks of things :D

when should purples quit? at 80?

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yey, it works :D

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 3:11 PM

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did you test em dying, I will if you didn't

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 3:11 PM

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I didn't

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I mean, the only one I died on was red when doing it on chimp

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 3:11 PM

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okay well here's the package if you want to borrow anything

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I'll write it up in #1093895780865163284 soonish

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 3:12 PM

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oki doki, ty

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 3:12 PM

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wait

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that's export

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lmao

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📎 message.txt

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 3:12 PM

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yea, I didn't mention it cus I was just gonna let ya do your thing XD

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 3:14 PM

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lua's only somewhat cursed at least

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:05 PM

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Shouldn't there be 3 of those for Borf to borf as much as a Borf can?

fathom ermine Jul 12, 2024, 4:06 PM

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with fast atomics there can be 2

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:06 PM

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Oh, actually, this also seems to be working differently than I thought

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tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:08 PM

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fathom ermine with fast atomics there can be 2

can't do fast atomics if you're running tick though

fathom ermine Jul 12, 2024, 4:08 PM

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change line 2 to execute(tick)?

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:09 PM

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does that work?

fathom ermine Jul 12, 2024, 4:09 PM

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yes, I've done that myself

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only 1 copy

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:09 PM

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don't run it twice?

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:09 PM

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no, just 1 time

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:09 PM

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okie

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:10 PM

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add a wait(0.0) at the top of the script

fathom ermine Jul 12, 2024, 4:10 PM

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no need with execute(tick)

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:10 PM

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what are you saying to do?

fathom ermine Jul 12, 2024, 4:11 PM

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fathom ermine change line 2 to execute(tick)?

?

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:11 PM

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I assumed you wanted something like this

:global double t

wait(0.0)
t = t + time.delta()
goto(1)```

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:11 PM

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execute(self) is 1 frame

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and works just as well with 1 script

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:12 PM

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oh, you're saying

execute(tick)
t = t + time.delta()
```?

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:12 PM

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other way around

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both might work

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idk

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:13 PM

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tick
execute?

oki, no need for fast atomics in that case anyway

unless you want to remove 1 of the bls or however they're called

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:14 PM

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it seems to be accurate with atomic functions on and off

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just a better tick seems

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:16 PM

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So there's an issue that I also encountered in my version, but it got fixed there

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LagSaver breaks if you restart

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It pauses at the start of the run and does nothing once unpaused

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:16 PM

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LagSaver breaks whenever in your version XD

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:16 PM

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?

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It didn't break in my testing

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:17 PM

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lagsaver just spams pause for me, idk why

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:17 PM

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it persists outside of towertesting and clicks everything :D

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:17 PM

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Oh, that - I made a patch for it

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:17 PM

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well he added a script to fix that

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:18 PM

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tall jewel lagsaver just spams pause for me, idk why

This happens if the 120 version runs with FPS set to 60

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Or if you open a menu mid-run

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:18 PM

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it's an incredibly sensitive system

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:19 PM

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haughty wing It pauses at the start of the run and does nothing once unpaused

This is kind of important, 'cos most of those BPs can die early and then need a restart

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For this reason, Purple also shouldn't be exiting if it dies early (it seems to be doing that currently)

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If it makes things easier, it's fine if Purple restarts at 80s instead of exiting

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That might even be more useful

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:22 PM

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haughty wing If it makes things easier, it's fine if Purple restarts at 80s instead of exitin...

oh I added something for it, I can make it into a variable

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fixed a few other things and lagsaver pausing at start

📎 message.txt

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actually, makes more sense for it to just be a restart

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you can exit at any time

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:24 PM

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True

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:25 PM

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okie changed it

📎 message.txt

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:28 PM

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LagSaver doesn't seem to be working at all now

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It never pauses

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:29 PM

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oh uhhhhhhhhhh

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I'll just add the thing you had before back

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I don't need the extra lines

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whoops

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flipd an if

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📎 message.txt

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:34 PM

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LagSaver still doesn't work, and it always shows as False here:

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:35 PM

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you changed it to true?

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:35 PM

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Was I supposed to?

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:35 PM

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it's in main

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:35 PM

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oh yeah I disabled it

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its working fine for me now

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so I'll enable it in release

haughty wing Jul 12, 2024, 4:38 PM

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Yeah, seems to be good now

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Otherwise things seem to be working, although I didn't test 4th or 5th secures

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(Thanks for making this!)

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:43 PM

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haha, but just you wait
I'm making something so big, it's breaking d0s's code XD

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hehe, I broke it so badly I can't continue until d0s comes and fixes his code :D

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:49 PM

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haughty wing Otherwise things seem to be working, although I didn't test 4th or 5th secures

funnily enough I think they're broken

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though mostly a game issue it seems

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actually

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easy fix

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okay is done

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:54 PM

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tall jewel okay is done

d0s's editor has had enough of my abuse and it's fighting back

could you try this in case it works for you?
if it doesn't, you can delete the workspace and refresh the page to get it back to normal :D

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:55 PM

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ExtremeAI Compressed

Highly Recommended to use Fast Atomic Functions

You can set software Security (0 = all software, 1 = normal software, 2 = safe software) and turn off/on Lagsaver in the 'Main' script, first 2 lines

Editing the script should be done at https://d0sboots.github.io/perfect-tower/ using the source (all the legiable text). Only update the first 6 scripts, its not recommended to touch below

Otherwise works fine

📎 message.txt 📎 message.txt

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:55 PM

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ancient knoll d0s's editor has had enough of my abuse and it's fighting back could you try th...

sure just send me it

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:55 PM

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tall jewel sure just send me it

here ya go :D

📎 message.txt

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go into sync, if you get a scripts/lexer.lua:... error, it's just broken entirely XD

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:56 PM

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scripts/lexer.lua:236: attempt to concatenate a nil value (local 'typeRight')

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:56 PM

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yup, it's just broken
oki doki, you should be able to delete the workspace and refresh the page to get back to normal :D

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ty for testing it

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 4:57 PM

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wait is that internal

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 4:57 PM

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yea

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this boy I highlighted```
if left.type == "string" and left.value == "" then
table.insert(node.tokens, j, right);
elseif right.type == "string" and right.value == "" then
table.insert(node.tokens, j, left);

else
local new = newNode(left.pos, node, "concat");
new.args = { left, right };
table.insert(node.tokens, j, new); line 236
end

else
if type == "op_mod" then
local types = { int = 1, double = 1, vector = 1 };
assert(types[typeLeft], tokenError(left, "arithmetic cannot be performed on a " .. typeLeft));
assert(types[typeRight], tokenError(right, "arithmetic cannot be performed on a " .. typeRight));
assert(op.value ~= "%" or typeLeft ~= "vector", tokenError(op, "vector doesn't support modulus"));
end

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yea, the editor is using scripts written in lua :D

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 5:09 PM

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ancient knoll this boy I highlighted``` if left.type == "string" and left.value == "" then ...

pretty sure its this

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it needs a value in the %

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and returns null because its expecting an int, but no int returned

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ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 5:11 PM

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oh, I forgot to add that one?
lmfao, you're right

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 5:12 PM

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probably d0s needs to be pinged about it

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or make a bug report

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 5:13 PM

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nah, dw

I dm'd him

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 5:13 PM

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ah ok

ancient knoll Jul 12, 2024, 5:13 PM

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lol

tall jewel Jul 12, 2024, 5:13 PM

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it just needs an outlier message like assigning nill

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"arithmetic cannot be preformed on nil"

bright nexus Jul 13, 2024, 1:08 AM

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ancient knoll no no, secures It's surprisingly simple to detect which bp is used with these 4,...

i did that on my frag farms but it compresses the disables all the way to 1 script

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there’s a lot of checking though

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 1:15 PM

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tall jewel <@695226986989355079> test this for me pls <3

can we do a role reversal and you test out this AI? <3

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 1:15 PM

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sure

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 1:16 PM

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:D
atomics gotta be on, there's no toggle for lagsaver, it might cause problems... we'll see

📎 message.txt

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it can be crunched further
but it's better to test if this thing even works beforehand XD

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I highly doubt that my checkpoint system is going to work.... that one might fail if you're doing red/purple

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oh wait, it's unfinished

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fuck XD

I forgot the end conditions

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well, even with the missing end conditions, it'd still be nice to see if it activates things correctly

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 1:28 PM

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ancient knoll :D atomics gotta be on, there's no toggle for lagsaver, it might cause problems....

crashes when I restart tt
doesn't turn off when returning to town
t just stops after first tick
inf disables don't work

borf spam works
red only seems to use google's
blue does not use st3
yellow only uses awareness
purple only uses hurricane first (its usually last)

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 1:29 PM

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useinstant(active.index("air.hurricane"))
useinstant(active.index("tower.super.1"))
useinstant(active.index("tower.super.2"))
waituntil(t >= 19.99)
useinstant(active.index("spell.radar"))
waituntil(t >= 39.99)
useinstant(active.index("spell.radar"))
waituntil(t >= 49.99)
useinstant(active.index("air.hurricane"))
waituntil(t >= 79.99)

there's a huricane at the beginning
very interesting tho...
tysm

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 1:30 PM

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oh right

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was looking at the wrong thing

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 1:31 PM

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nah, I get what's happening tho, it's just surprising that it doesn't sync

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how about this?

I still don't have the ending (please do not include the last 5 scripts XD) but this should've fixed the crash on restart and the AI not using the spells correctly

📎 message.txt

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is lagsaver giving you problems?
you could just disable it if it is

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 1:40 PM

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well it doesn't run when I turn on overlay while inside of tt, but it doesn't crash either

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still the same issues besides that

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 1:40 PM

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yea, there's no impulse wakeup()

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 1:46 PM

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tall jewel well it doesn't run when I turn on overlay while inside of tt, but it doesn't cr...

well, in that case....

would you be willing to run through this list? XD

It's just press X and you'll get all this data... and tell me when you find something strange/if the AI completed a full cycle

📎 message.txt

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there's 17 spells to go through, I understand if you'd rather not XD

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oh, it might also be better to restart AI overlay if you're doing it, so that the hiding block doesn't mess stuff up

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actually, the hiding block messes stuff up regardless, here's the new one XD

📎 message.txt

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 1:55 PM

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ancient knoll well, in that case.... would you be willing to run through this list? XD It's ...

it always just says 0 in every and then google.influence

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unless this one is broken

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I'll try the one you just posted

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nope its the same

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 1:57 PM

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tall jewel it always just says 0 in every and then google.influence

you press x to cycle through them
and you know you've hit the end once "pointerExtremeAI" is 0 again

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 1:57 PM

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yeah I'm spamming it

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 1:57 PM

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uh oh, that's not good XD

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oh

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fixed it XD

📎 message.txt

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I was doing %0 on every increment because the blueprint was 0, no wonder it wouldn't go past 0

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:02 PM

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tall jewel yeah I'm spamming it

if there's something wrong, you'll see a word get cut off or a . within one of the readings

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outside of the spell id and the wait/xpos/ypos

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:03 PM

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index and pointer are changing, but they're just different substrings of "google.influence" (ex: ogle.influence)

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:04 PM

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oki, that's really wrong XD
can you send a screenshot of the second value?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:05 PM

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ancient knoll oki, that's really wrong XD can you send a screenshot of the second value?

which value?

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:06 PM

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increment * 2 = 94
when pointer = 94

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pointer means the variable "pointerExtremeAI"

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:08 PM

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this is all I get

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and then it loops but index starts 1 higher

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:09 PM

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ofc it's messed up, I'm a dumbass XD

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:09 PM

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tall jewel and then it loops but index starts 1 higher

📎 message.txt

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dangit

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:12 PM

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ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:13 PM

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hell yea, it's not broken, I was the one to break it XD

Woohoo

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:13 PM

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thats all

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:14 PM

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oki great
so this clears things up a lot XD

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oki, this one should have spell activations

the scripts after software are unnecessary 😅

📎 message.txt

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:23 PM

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ancient knoll oki, this one should have spell activations the scripts after software are unne...

red uses both nature and light focus once
blue doesn't use st3
yellow spams uses all 3 its supposed to
similar things for purple

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:24 PM

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so red yellow and purple are working
Secures is still messed up?

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wait no
red one, does it die before it gets to use them a second time?

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or does my AI just fail catastrophically?

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oh wait, idk what threshold was doing there XD

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:31 PM

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secures don't work

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purple dies before doing much

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because it uses every skill

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and then it'll die before they're off cd to see if they're used again

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:32 PM

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wait, purple uses radar and hurricane instantly?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:32 PM

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hurricane, st1, st2, and radar

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:33 PM

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huh
and t is above 20 when it uses radar, right?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:34 PM

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t stops after first tick

fathom ermine Jul 13, 2024, 2:34 PM

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someone messed up the name then if it's execute(tick)

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:34 PM

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oh, that explains it XD

so t is at 1 or 0 permanently?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:34 PM

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0.32 usually

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after a restart its at 8 or 7 because of the lag

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:34 PM

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oki, let's try this one

📎 message.txt

haughty wing Jul 13, 2024, 2:36 PM

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Purple is supposed to use Radar twice, at about 20s and 40s

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Not at 0s, though

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:36 PM

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ancient knoll oki, let's try this one

tick works
red, blue crashes after a few seconds

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 2:36 PM

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haughty wing Purple is supposed to use Radar twice, at about 20s and 40s

why exactly at that point

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:37 PM

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tall jewel tick works red, blue crashes after a few seconds

crash as in crashes AI?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:37 PM

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yes

haughty wing Jul 13, 2024, 2:37 PM

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Not really exactly, but there are reasons:

if used too early, before things fully stabilize, it causes instability and often death
I don't want it to overlap with potential buffs from Dice (which come at 30 and 60)

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:37 PM

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tall jewel yes

and it doesn't crash yellow or purple?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:37 PM

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nope

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:38 PM

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tall jewel tick works red, blue crashes after a few seconds

after a few seconds, does this mean blue managed to use st3?

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 2:38 PM

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haughty wing Not really exactly, but there are reasons: - if used too early, before things fu...

if used too early, before things fully stabilize, it causes instability and often death
why

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:38 PM

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ancient knoll after a few seconds, does this mean blue managed to use st3?

well it uses st3 immediatly on main
but no it does not use st3

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 2:39 PM

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~~also plz leave ping reply on~~

haughty wing Jul 13, 2024, 2:39 PM

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winter junco > if used too early, before things fully stabilize, it causes instability and of...

Probably something about suddenly hitting enemies at a different distance, which might create some gaps for other enemies to slip by close enough to use abilities

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Or something like that

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:39 PM

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it seems sync gets overexecuted

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:39 PM

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tall jewel well it uses st3 immediatly on main but no it does not use st3

what?
main doesn't have abilities on XD

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:39 PM

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ancient knoll what? main doesn't have abilities on XD

main as in main ai

haughty wing Jul 13, 2024, 2:40 PM

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There always seems to be at least a slight risk when using range changing things on DRImp from what I've seen

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But it's much smaller if things are already fully stabilized

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:40 PM

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tall jewel it seems sync gets overexecuted

ah crap, that makes things more obvious, ty bluecat XD

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 2:40 PM

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haughty wing Probably something about suddenly hitting enemies at a different distance, which...

hmmm, yeah that's fair enough ig XD

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:42 PM

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tall jewel

oh no, I might need you to do this one again
I can't believe I didn't include the syncronization for it
hope you don't mind 😅

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this one shows sync
It should be fine, but that many active sync's is worrying

📎 message.txt

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:45 PM

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ancient knoll this one shows sync It should be fine, but that many active sync's is worrying

google 2
awareness 2
hurricane 2
rest 0

haughty wing Jul 13, 2024, 2:46 PM

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ancient knoll or does my AI just fail catastrophically?

Red is supposed to go like this: DS, Nature, Light, Nature, Light, leap of faith - without any overlapping or gaps between the buffs

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:46 PM

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he knows how its supposed to go

haughty wing Jul 13, 2024, 2:46 PM

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Ah, all right

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Ah, sorry, I've misread "red uses both nature and light focus once" as "at once"

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:48 PM

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it does both them

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at once

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at the start of the run

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he knows its not supposed to do that

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:48 PM

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tall jewel google 2 awareness 2 hurricane 2 rest 0

ooooh, I know what I did badly XD

haughty wing Jul 13, 2024, 2:48 PM

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Ok, I see

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:49 PM

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this is how the thing looks XD```
:const int blueprint_red {lua(return #spell.active_module.names)}
{syncronize_module_activation(3)}
{add_active_module.instant(google.influence, 0.0)}
{add_active_module.instant(boost.shoreline, 0.0)}
{add_active_module.instant(sacrifice.dark, 0.0)}
:const int red_checkpoint {lua(return #spell.active_module.names)}

{add_active_module.instant(focus.nature, 14.99)}
{add_active_module.instant(focus.light, 59.99)}
{add_active_module.instant(focus.nature, 104.99)}
{add_active_module.instant(focus.light, 149.99)}

:const int blueprint_blue {lua(return #spell.active_module.names)}
{add_active_module.instant(tower.super.3, 0.0)}
:const int blue_checkpoint {lua(return #spell.active_module.names)}

:const int blueprint_yellow {lua(return #spell.active_module.names)}
{syncronize_module_activation(3)}
{add_active_module.instant(spell.awareness, 0.1)}
{add_active_module.instant(spell.floof, 0.1)}
{add_active_module.instant(spell.refresh, 0.1)}

:const int blueprint_purple {lua(return #spell.active_module.names)}
{syncronize_module_activation(3)}
{add_active_module.instant(air.hurricane, 0.0)}
{add_active_module.instant(tower.super.1, 0.0)}
{add_active_module.instant(tower.super.2, 0.0)}

{add_active_module.instant(spell.radar, 19.99)}
{add_active_module.instant(spell.radar, 39.99)}
{add_active_module.instant(air.hurricane, 49.99)}
:const int purple_checkpoint {lua(return #spell.active_module.names)}

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:56 PM

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tall jewel at the start of the run

so it does both nature focus and light focus at once, even tho it's not supposed to?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 2:56 PM

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yeah it basically just uses every skill at the start without waits

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 2:57 PM

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then this should fix it

📎 message.txt

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disregard everything bellow software, yknow the drill XD

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umm, I actually royally messed up the sign
I don't think it's going to use any of them this time

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here's the correct waitwhile()

📎 message.txt

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this doesn't fix the root problem, ik, but it should've fixed the timing of skills

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:01 PM

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crashes from sync again

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:01 PM

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yea, I know... it's something I need to think about for longer, but does it still use the skills before it's supposed to?

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purple should show it

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:02 PM

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ancient knoll yea, I know... it's something I need to think about for longer, but does it stil...

yeah its the same as before

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:02 PM

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well, that's bad

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oh wait, there's no longer a hider.... what're the internal variables?

can you send a ss?

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:05 PM

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tall jewel yeah its the same as before

I think I'll have to leave in a bit 😅
1 final test with this and you'll be free from my messages XD

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~~for a few minutes~~

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:08 PM

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ancient knoll I think I'll have to leave in a bit 😅 1 final test with this and you'll be free...

timer goes up normally

purple:
pointer just goes through a few values fast
bp 11
cp 6
next 17

yellow:
0 or 47
8
0
11

blue:
goes through a few values
0
3
7

red:
goes through a few values
0
3
7

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:10 PM

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pointer
bleuprint found
checkpoint
blueprint next

that's the order, ye?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:11 PM

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yeah

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:13 PM

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expected values```
red:
0
3
7

blue
7
0
8

yellow:
8
0
12

purple
12
0
17

marveloius, we've found the issue

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:16 PM

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tall jewel timer goes up normally purple: pointer just goes through a few values fast bp 1...

are you absolutely certain that blue is 0 3 7?
and you didn't change the bps either I assume

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:16 PM

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yes

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to both

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its probably because its checking if its less than 7

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and it has 7

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:18 PM

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blue has 6
red has 7

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:20 PM

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oh my blue was wrong then

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ah right

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I put crates in it for testing

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forgot to remove it

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blue is 7 0 8

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:20 PM

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aha, oki

that'd also explain the lack of super tower 3

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:21 PM

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and does use st3

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 3:21 PM

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what

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:21 PM

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yey, blue purple and yellow are functionally sound, sort of...

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:22 PM

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winter junco *what*

varname . identifier

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 3:22 PM

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wait but actually, why do you need so many detectors?

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:22 PM

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there's just 3

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 3:22 PM

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yes but why

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and can it not be a single 3 number int?

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:23 PM

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and the checkpoint is temporary bc there's no ending script

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:24 PM

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winter junco and can it not be a single 3 number int?

I have the space and it makes testing easier

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 3:24 PM

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fair i guess (am i being agressive? sorry)

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:24 PM

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tall jewel and does use st3

does blue still crash

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:25 PM

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no

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:25 PM

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great
it's literally just because of the red XD

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:26 PM

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tall jewel no

active timing still sucks I assume?

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I didn't change it, but it's worth checking just in case

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:27 PM

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well blue only uses st3 at the start

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:27 PM

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winter junco fair i guess (am i being agressive? sorry)

no, it's fine
this is big, but still in prototyping

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:27 PM

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tall jewel well blue only uses st3 at the start

yea ik
I'm talking about the others

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:28 PM

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also idk why but red isn't crashing anymore for me

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still uses focuses at the same time though

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and only once

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:29 PM

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oh, no death?
that's impressive

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 3:29 PM

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can i help with anything

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i am just about to finish the https://discord.com/channels/488444879836413975/1257712401143566406 one so i'll be able to help

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~~why so much silence suddenly~~

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:30 PM

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well cod says he was going to sleep

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 3:31 PM

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oh sad

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||i could make another one just to not bore to death ig||

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:32 PM

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tall jewel well cod says he was going to sleep

no sleep
unplanned event I must attend

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:32 PM

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same thing

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:35 PM

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winter junco ||i could make another one just to not bore to death ig||

you want content?

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XD

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 3:36 PM

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chat we've all been lied to

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the cost to upgrade era powers is 212, not 213 XD

seriously this is probably unrelated and offtopic so fine i'll stop

fathom ermine Jul 13, 2024, 3:37 PM

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pretty sure you round up the entire thing

winter junco Jul 13, 2024, 3:37 PM

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oh i misunderstood parenthesis

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:42 PM

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tall jewel also idk why but red isn't crashing anymore for me

so... sync sometimes crashes and other times doesn't?

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with red bp

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:42 PM

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well I reimported all the bp's, if that somehow fixed it

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though I doubt it

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:43 PM

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I mean... are you still able to make it crash?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:43 PM

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oh its crashing now though

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:45 PM

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oki... that's still in need of fixing then

out of pure randomness XD
you should also be able to run this AI without fast atomics and it'll function
mind giving that a go?

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cus that should fix the increased activation from sync
but it'll probably also be slower than intended

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:48 PM

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red didn't use shor, it did use ds and booble's though
also it is using the focuses correctly

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if I restart it uses them at the same time though

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:49 PM

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uses the focuses at the same time?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:49 PM

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when I restart it uses both at the same time

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when I start ai from town and go into tt is uses 1 after another timed correctly

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:51 PM

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hmm, that's messy... it also makes sense because I'm most likely killing it slower than I'd like

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:51 PM

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tall jewel when I start ai from town and go into tt is uses 1 after another timed correctly

what about purple tho?

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that one's the second most complex
does it still use radar before it should?

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:52 PM

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uses them all right away on purple

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:53 PM

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radar included.... before 19.99

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:54 PM

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yes

ancient knoll Jul 13, 2024, 3:57 PM

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oki, tysm blue, sorry it has so many problems XD

tall jewel Jul 13, 2024, 3:58 PM

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all good

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 9:40 AM

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tall jewel ## ExtremeAI Compressed **Highly Recommended to use Fast Atomic Functions** You...

your AI does have the ending conditions, right? XD

tall jewel Jul 14, 2024, 9:46 AM

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ancient knoll your AI does have the ending conditions, right? XD

It should

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 9:47 AM

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it probably dies, I just can't survive the frag farms :(

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 12:40 PM

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hey @haughty wing any special town perks or the normal damage perks?

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 12:53 PM

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Optimally, you'll want to have as many Resource-boosting perks as possible, esp. for non-Purples

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But damage comes first

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 12:54 PM

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huh, so I should have resource boosters in manufacturing?

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 12:54 PM

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Yes

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 12:54 PM

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so I should have the winAI town perks setup?

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 12:55 PM

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No idea what that is

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 12:55 PM

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1:1:1 resources -> town assets -> museum boost

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 12:55 PM

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If you can manage without Damage, then sure

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But you'll probably need at least some Damage

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 12:55 PM

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I cannot manage with damage

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I'm doing chimp and I cannot survive for 1 second with your AI

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using red frags

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 12:56 PM

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I only recently became able to survive that

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 12:56 PM

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chimp?
Oh I see

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 12:56 PM

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Older versions, esp. the Hurricane one, might work better

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But their AI situation is messy

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Might be easier to make your own, I guess

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 12:57 PM

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but I did chimp inf100b for frags ;-;

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 12:58 PM

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Hurricane was also for ChImp

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And you can devolve it further by swapping-in Energy Regen to use more Actives

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And devolve further still into a Borf, with even more Actives going

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Adding ST3 might also help

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 1:04 PM

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and none of the other recently made bps work on chimp, because they're recommended to be done in drimp, huh?

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;-;
gad dangit

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 1:05 PM

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Yes, I don't think anyone with legit stats can run those on ChImp

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And their previous versions were on ChNm

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You can run 8/8 on ChImp 100b, though

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 1:07 PM

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problem is I don't have a functional 8/8

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 1:08 PM

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Enough stuff has been posted around to put one together

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 1:09 PM

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you saw what I did to sky breaker thinking they were good changes
I am not a person that creates blueprints XD

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 1:10 PM

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There is a BP posted - slightly older/suboptimal version, but it works

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 1:10 PM

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I tried the winNER... that's the only one I know of

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 1:11 PM

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That was the AI for it, I think

ancient knoll Jul 14, 2024, 1:11 PM

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yea, and you made a bp after that, which works with winNER, no?

haughty wing Jul 14, 2024, 1:11 PM

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So I was told, I haven't tried the AI

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So the last piece you need is how to make it work after the nerf

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And that was also posted

fresh steeple Jul 15, 2024, 3:18 PM

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haughty wing And that was also posted

Is there a reason you have XP boosters in your 8/8 resIdle bp?

haughty wing Jul 15, 2024, 3:21 PM

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Hmm, I think an early version of it needed 4 secures, and then they became leftover 'cos I was changing the BP in a hurry

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So they're not needed anymore

fresh steeple Jul 15, 2024, 3:29 PM

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alr

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 4:53 PM

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haughty wing So they're not needed anymore

are you sure not disabling uni makes wince better? is this based on tests or what's your thought/math process

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cause from my math the chance that enemy dies is lower

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that is unless uni power cannot "block" wince

tall jewel Jul 17, 2024, 4:57 PM

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pretty sure not disabling uni dosen't count as an extra hit

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 4:58 PM

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fresh steeple are you sure not disabling uni makes wince better? is this based on tests or wha...

It's based on what I've been told: that it counts as 10 attacks and thus has 10 chances to trigger WINCE. But aside from that, it's also needed for stability: it increases the number of enemies who can trigger SB by 50%, and that makes a big practical difference

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And the latter is the main reason

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 4:58 PM

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hm true

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it actually does not count as hits

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just damage

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 5:07 PM

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tall jewel pretty sure not disabling uni dosen't count as an extra hit

I got that info from here: #1239206059508236409 message
And there's a bit more elaboration: #1239221781194211400 message

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 5:07 PM

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fresh steeple it actually does not count as hits

still triggers sky blessing tho

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 5:07 PM

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So it might also trigger WINCE anyway, even if it doesn't add to the counters?

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 5:08 PM

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I'd assume that wince counts the hits

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not any ol damame instance

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 5:14 PM

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WINCE kills even with all hits at 0

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I ran a test, and I'm not sure if there's a practical difference in kill speed from the Era power, at least at ChImp 100b attack speeds. Pretty much all elements were getting killed at roughly the same rate, except Darkness who were a bit ahead (this was with no Era disabled)

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But it's not happening in a repeat test

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 5:22 PM

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from my test uni do die faster with power

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with it they barely pile up

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 5:29 PM

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fresh steeple not any ol damame instance

Oh, one thing to note, is that WINCE does get an extra trigger chance from Tastes

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I actually confirmed that much in testing a while ago

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 5:39 PM

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haughty wing I actually confirmed that much in testing a while ago

you're right that darkness enemies also die faster with their power

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does it make them move faster or teleport?

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can they die while invisible?

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or possibly its the same deal as uni, the extra % damage hit they deal

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 5:41 PM

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I assumed the latter, but dunno for sure

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 5:48 PM

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yes I confirmed that darkness enemies are tangible while hidden

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module "something" kills them, at least

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 6:43 PM

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haughty wing I assumed the latter, but dunno for sure

I tested air era enemies

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guess the results

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 6:44 PM

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I'd expect a small effect of more killed with the Era power on? 'cos they start hitting sooner?

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 6:45 PM

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the story goes as follows:
just pure melee Vs ranged air, I felt no difference after disabling
but giving enemies Radar, gives a clear preference to melee (as expected?)

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so that's the answer for max wince killrate

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disable all except dark and uni

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need to test elec tho

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 6:47 PM

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Neutral?

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 6:47 PM

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yea

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 6:47 PM

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As in, have you tested those as well?

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 6:48 PM

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nop not yet, but it'll prob be similar to darkness

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 6:48 PM

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Yeah

polar cosmos Jul 17, 2024, 6:48 PM

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fresh steeple disable all except dark and uni

i really though Air era would help

polar cosmos Jul 17, 2024, 6:49 PM

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fresh steeple need to test elec tho

they get a lot less travel distance, so they might help marginally

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 6:50 PM

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polar cosmos they get a lot less travel distance, so they might help marginally

yea its true

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+1 less disable

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 6:53 PM

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haughty wing Neutral?

neutral is better with power as now expected

polar cosmos Jul 17, 2024, 6:54 PM

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I'll throw no dark on my script then

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 6:55 PM

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seems like water era cant block wince

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so it CAN be left enabled, but no reason to

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nor can light enemies, or 1 sec is just too short

fathom ermine Jul 17, 2024, 7:00 PM

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I don't think instakills are blockable at all

fresh steeple Jul 17, 2024, 8:26 PM

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I also tried testing what modules are worth, inconclusive, too many mod combos to try

haughty wing Jul 17, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Yeah, I've kind of just slapped a bunch of things that might work onto my version

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Most of them are probably rather marginal either way

fresh steeple Jul 18, 2024, 3:02 AM

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there is a decent number of ability junk for enemies like refresh floof cooling snap, so I've also just added all the positive abilities

fathom ermine Jul 22, 2024, 8:04 AM

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why don't you run purple on chimp?
is it hard to get infinity damage with purple or...?

fresh steeple Jul 22, 2024, 8:19 AM

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most likely damage, it's still a big jump from drimp to chimp

fathom ermine Jul 22, 2024, 8:19 AM

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makes sense

haughty wing Jul 22, 2024, 11:35 AM

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Yup, not that long ago I needed to use ST3 to just barely run it on DRImp

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And ChImp is like e52 higher or so?

novel topaz Jul 22, 2024, 4:08 PM

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Even DrImp needs massive locks

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:28 PM

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Been away for a bit, I'm guessing this is still the best setup for setting a good idle?

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:28 PM

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yes

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:29 PM

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Having a bit of trouble fololowing which one is the most current/most-recently updated BP and AI. Are the pins just the way to go?

fathom ermine Jul 27, 2024, 4:29 PM

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yes

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:30 PM

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thanks!

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is it to be expected that I die in Chimp 6B with T195 Reds?

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:30 PM

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latent escarp is it to be expected that I die in Chimp 6B with T195 Reds?

depends on the bp you're running

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:30 PM

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(unless I turn Wave Streaming off)

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:31 PM

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for red it isn't

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for all others - yes

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:31 PM

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winter junco for red it isn't

It is with red

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:31 PM

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do remember that all of these blueprints require crazy stats

ancient knoll Jul 27, 2024, 4:31 PM

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use the blueprint AI
It shuts off the correct software for you

fathom ermine Jul 27, 2024, 4:31 PM

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latent escarp (unless I turn Wave Streaming off)

does turning off x3 speed help? or are you already at x1?

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:31 PM

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I'm at x1

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also using the AI

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:32 PM

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latent escarp It is with red

there are a few older, less stat-dependant versions of red if you can't run current btw

ancient knoll Jul 27, 2024, 4:33 PM

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latent escarp is it to be expected that I die in Chimp 6B with T195 Reds?

if you're dying on chimp, might be better to try out chnm

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:33 PM

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also check damage you're dealing

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:33 PM

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ancient knoll if you're dying on chimp, might be better to try out chnm

no, not with red XD

ancient knoll Jul 27, 2024, 4:35 PM

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if you die before 60 seconds, you don't set an idle, so your fragment farming will have been for nothing
a slightly worse idle from chnm compared to the idle of chimp is better than no idle at all

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:35 PM

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ancient knoll if you die before 60 seconds, you don't set an idle, so your fragment farming wi...

codboy if you have to run red on chnm you might as well use https://discord.com/channels/488444879836413975/1144705871486648460

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:37 PM

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winter junco there are a few older, less stat-dependant versions of red if you can't run curr...

Guess I'll have to try that

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I literally die within 2s

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Chnm seems to be working smoothly

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:38 PM

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then it's a damage issue

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but you are losing 15% of fragments on chnm

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although since you don't have 100b on chimp it might be less or more, i don't know.
Depends on infinity number at chnm

ancient knoll Jul 27, 2024, 4:39 PM

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that doesn't matter if you're still getting an improvement

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:39 PM

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winter junco although since you don't have 100b on chimp it might be less or more, i don't kn...

my idle is set at 950k atm

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from Chnm

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:39 PM

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latent escarp my idle is set at 950k atm

with latter versions it can go up to 1.3e6 at chimp

latent escarp Jul 27, 2024, 4:40 PM

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Was wrong btw I'm only at 6M for Chimp ^^

winter junco Jul 27, 2024, 4:40 PM

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the less stat dependant ones, maybe like 1.2e6 or 1.1e6

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