BurnORF (v1.0): Borf-based Infinity Grinder ft. Pine and dfirestorm

[heady ginkgo]

Understood

Random question: about how much fps would be required to run Burnorf at 3x speed without lag

[river totem]

around 80 is when kps maxes out (for me anyway) and lag depends on a multitude of things really

[heady ginkgo]

F

[subtle tiger]

bruh

why advanced shield??

[river totem]

phasing needs shield to work

[subtle tiger]

basic is fine

[river totem]

thats why its not sane?

[tawny sonnet]

i made a fix for that in one of my ais

but the general gist of it is you have another script which is what starts the tt script

and then in that script you have a global variable

and you set that variable to 1 when you start the tt script

and then you check if its equal to 0 every time you try to run it

so it only runs once

[opaque pendant]

how come the ai for this one turns wave streaming off at the start 😮

i mean its no big deal for me to manually turn it on ofc XD

[high mulch]

because it needs to?

[high mulch]

don't

[opaque pendant]

it runs so slow without it though?

like i mean i turn it on after creeping enough

[subtle tiger]

It is only turned off for 2 disables.

Realistically that should take a good half a second.

This is to help with people to get either ewall and potc or potc and uni shield disabled so they dont die

Gives me one less problem to troubleshoot

[opaque pendant]

oh ok maybe i didnt wait enough in the creeping to see it turn itself back on. for me i usually start a run in the menu messing with software to creep, so i probbaly dont see it turn back on (it cant switch the state while menu is up)

all good

i was just wondering if it is supposed to stay off or something and i was missing some big picture idea abt the build rofl

[subtle tiger]

It turns it back on after the second disable, unless you tinkered with the ai yourself

Ah

All good

[opaque pendant]

rn just aiming to get light stone perk which should hopefully reduce how much creeping i gotta do >.> tho i still gotta creep enough to disable universal shield i suppose

[subtle tiger]

If you have trouble getting enough infinities for light stone, use #1094005500091318395 instead

[echo goblet]

this looks great

[severe sandal]

what museum gems should i have for BurnORF

[pallid jackal]

5:5:4:4 nature:light:earth:darkness

[severe sandal]

ah ok ty

shit i gotta sell this then

[opaque pendant]

u guys customize your gems? o.o i just leave it in even sets of 9 for the bonus XD

[pallid jackal]

we dont need all bonuses, we need damage

[severe sandal]

it helps a lot with damage, so yeah

i haven't dabbled in it, hence the question

[opaque pendant]

if you are deep into infinity || u can spam the infinity stone power to get free 50 gems though quite easily so u wont lose anything by changing it || XD

[pallid jackal]

yes

or just have all t50 locked

[opaque pendant]

havent had those pop in store yet but i have 40s i think so its nbd

xD

[severe sandal]

i have 125 slots, how many of each gem would i need if im doing 5:5:4:4

[pallid jackal]

sum 5+5+4+4

divide amount of slots by it

multiply result by 4 for 4 stones and by 5 for 5 stones

[severe sandal]

ah ty

round up or down for decimals

?

[pallid jackal]

down

[opaque pendant]

if you round up youd need more slots than you have haha if u round down you will have a couple extra slots

[severe sandal]

so this?

[pallid jackal]

yea

[severe sandal]

alright cool

if i had just one more slot then the numbers would be even :((

not even but

not decimal fucky

[pallid jackal]

get one more slot

[severe sandal]

which one do i go for

[pallid jackal]

shards

[severe sandal]

and how do i go about doing that

[opaque pendant]

||infinity stones XD can spam the 400h one while doing large refines ||

[severe sandal]

oh yeah that makes sense

that'd fuck up my powerplant tho

[opaque pendant]

i mean only while ur spamming XD

just use a clicker and itll be over before u notice XD

[pallid jackal]

you can first upgrade factory things, and reset

time wont gte higher

[severe sandal]

i gotta make the stones efficient first

[leaden summit]

i recommend using the lock in offshore market to get all t50s available at all times

[opaque pendant]

irl or in game

[severe sandal]

oh yeah i forgot that existed

ty

[severe sandal]

need the funny tasting rocks to charge in a frame

[opaque pendant]

borf told me to use bluecats reflect BP for getting my stones sorted out and it worked, didnt take long at all for them all to be instant

[severe sandal]

im, funnily enough, using this exact bp

just pushing the impossible modes

[opaque pendant]

if u want instant stones its better to do it on stuf flower than impossible XD

its just faster XD

u can farm impossible later haha

[severe sandal]

10k impossible is pretty much instant tho

[fickle grove]

10k insane is also pretty much instant

impossible past like 1k or so is just overkill

[severe sandal]

mehhh

i just wanted to be sure

[fickle grove]

smh my head just go for inf 100b on easy instead

[pallid jackal]

no, go for inf 400b at diff 7

[severe sandal]

yeah dino

i see the fault in my ways

i made a major lapse in my judgement

[pallid jackal]

true

[fickle grove]

I prefer inf 9t at diff 0

[pallid jackal]

its so stupid, exponent is too slow

[fickle grove]

just get every inf that exists all at once on a region 5head

[severe sandal]

i got the stones needed lmao

continuing to push heaven medium now

[pallid jackal]

actually, you needed other stones

[severe sandal]

yOU LITERALLY TOLD ME WHAT TO GET

[pallid jackal]

i did?

[severe sandal]

????????????????

IS THIS NOT YOU!?!?

[pallid jackal]

yes, its dino, im dino

[plush sun]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/jakizrp5vl?lang=en

I made the graph to calc exact amounts for any slot amount

[severe sandal]

holy shit thats neat

[fickle grove]

yo it's a person that knows math that isn't @fallen blade or @high mulch

[fallen blade]

amateurs

[plush sun]

I have been the math person behind the curtains the whole time if you didnt know

[fickle grove]

[severe sandal]

i wish i knew math

i like math, its just complicated

[wintry kindle]

ykno neo is the person I run to whenever I have a remotely difficult maths problem, right?

idk about alvar or yoshi but I owe so much to neo js

[fallen blade]

heres the thing

theres not a single hard maths problem in tpt2

i wanna make an idle game that has really hard math

[river totem]

I can give you a recommendation for one

[fallen blade]

sure

[river totem]

exponential idle

[fallen blade]

bah

played it

boring math

very much so

[river totem]

up to where

[fallen blade]

up to when i had ran out of things to do

i had over a hundred hours in it

[river totem]

coz theres a lot of features late late game

[fallen blade]

the music was cool

but eh

[river totem]

dev added an api so people could add their own theories

[fallen blade]

imagine a game that features abstract algebra and multivariable calculus tho

[fallen blade]

ikik

[fallen blade]

and complex analysis and differential geometry and topology

:>

ive been working on that game

mostly on paper

also a bit on code

[river totem]

what language/platform?

[wintry kindle]

you think so?
Can you solve the rak problem without referring to any of my or neo's notes?

[fallen blade]

browser game probably

[fallen blade]

the what now?

u want me to kcik out Rak?

[wintry kindle]

the rak problem: how long will it take for a given confidence value to get an arbitrary number of raks

[fallen blade]

what

lmao

[wintry kindle]

if I want 5 stacks for example how long should I have to wait to get 5 stacks

[fallen blade]

whats confidence value

[river totem]

thats not that hard

[fallen blade]

also that just sounds like a basic binomial distributiom lmao

[wintry kindle]

depends on the context but I mean it in the sense of 'expected value'

[river totem]

especially if you just sim it

p value

[wintry kindle]

it's not exactly binomial.

[fallen blade]

i can give u a function of time

orr ather

uses of the spell

[wintry kindle]

well, you're welcome to compute it. It's already solved, just curious how long it'd take you.

[fallen blade]

and tellcu how likely it is u havw it

ill do it when its not 23:15

XD

if i remember to do so

[wintry kindle]

well, best to put it in maths-phase if you do. No use cluttering burn's thread.

[subtle tiger]

:D

[fallen blade]

sorry

[subtle tiger]

All good lmao

[fallen blade]

aaaaaa thats nice

[plush sun]

I'm waiting patiently

[plush sun]

Should I enable fast atomic functions for burnorf, will that remove the need for 3 super bounce/multishot spammers?

[fast epoch]

activate module are not effected by atmoic functions

[high mulch]

you would need to make them atomic compatible as well

[fast epoch]

also might mess up winemast

[plush sun]

alr, so 3 spammers it is ig

[high mulch]

yeah, winemast will also need to be turned into one tick or it will double count

[fallen blade]

you better cuz im such alazy developer X3

[heady ginkgo]

I have an issue with the AI

if you turn it off and on again it resets wave streaming

also the window for re-casting focuses is too short if you use 3x spd and/or have a really laggy device

[fast epoch]

its a very relaint on fps bp

[subtle tiger]

solution: have more than 10 fps

[subtle tiger]

yes... until it kills an enemy.

[leaden summit]

dude it's a full second ingame time
so 1/3 second at 3x

[final pawn]

which modules should i disable in infinity

[pallid jackal]

Ai does it for you

[heady ginkgo]

The only other issue is that it can't use 3x spd without like 200+ fps

Which doesn't work period on web

[heady ginkgo]

The issue is that it resets it

[misty carbon]

im running on 30 and im fine

[heady ginkgo]

Using 3x spd?

[misty carbon]

yes

[heady ginkgo]

Are you on web or steam?

Web has a hard 60 fps cap

[misty carbon]

steam

[heady ginkgo]

Yeah

Web version has a hard 60 fps cap

So 3x spd will have a MAXIMUM of 20 fps on web

Which means I essentially am pushing at 1/3 speed

[fallen blade]

lmao explaining contravariance

[leaden summit]

the point still stands
if you are lagging that bad then something is horribly wrong
at 60fps that's 20 frames for it to cast

[subtle tiger]

more like 60.

[subtle tiger]

and why does that matter?

[heady ginkgo]

i accidentally hit enter an hour into a tt run

I quickly hit enter again to re-enable ai except it reset my accel

Which was annoying

[subtle tiger]

well if the ai turned off you would've died, but I see what you mean.

[heady ginkgo]

I quickly hit pause lol

[subtle tiger]

if you want, you can go ahead and remove it for yourself. Personally I won't for the public version because you're the first and only person who has encountered this problem lol

[heady ginkgo]

But the damage had been donee

[subtle tiger]

cap??

[heady ginkgo]

Thankfully it was only an hour

[subtle tiger]

on 3x you would die instantly lol

oh well

as I was saying

[heady ginkgo]

I'm not on 3x

[subtle tiger]

oh.

well if you want to you can remove the wave streaming part of the ai, it's in the era disable script

[heady ginkgo]

I can't use 3x in web version since

1. the fps is hard capped at 60
2. My Chromebook sux

[heady ginkgo]

Eh i think i'll keep it in for now

[subtle tiger]

you won't have problems starting TT anyways

because you're not on 3x

so it just makes sense in your case to take it out

[heady ginkgo]

I would use it if I could

But I can't

[subtle tiger]

exactly

[heady ginkgo]

Stuff leaks through somehow

I mean your bp is still amazing

[subtle tiger]

remov high mountain gift if you use it

[heady ginkgo]

I get nearly e200 dmg with subpar anvil perks/locks and not using all my skillpoints for combat stuff (i just dumped the leftovers lol)

[heady ginkgo]

Why?

[subtle tiger]

... because that's my solution to your problem

HMG can compromise some consistency

due to whack smult targetting

as long as you aren't dying you'll be fine

[heady ginkgo]

Ohhhhhhh

Got it

Makes sense

[subtle tiger]

because with HMG the range of smult is so big

[heady ginkgo]

Maybe replace it with more dmg

[subtle tiger]

it'll use all 60 projectiles

and that makes for some weird interactions

[heady ginkgo]

I didn't think it would work on super multishot

[subtle tiger]

it does

[heady ginkgo]

Given that it's locked to your attack range anyways

[subtle tiger]

that's not true either

[heady ginkgo]

Also is it multiplicative with google?

[subtle tiger]

yes

[heady ginkgo]

Wait what

Is it not based on attack range at all?

[subtle tiger]

use generic armor and tell me what you see

actually I might be wrong

not sure

but try generic armor and tell me if the kilspeed is still

decent

[heady ginkgo]

I will try using generic armor in that one high mountain challenge which reduces ur attack range

And see what happens

If it even shoots anything at all

[subtle tiger]

dont

bruh

you can't use

fucking borf

my guy just do it normally

[heady ginkgo]

I meant just make another bp lol

[subtle tiger]

don't gotta try and cut corners

especially when that challenge

LITERALLY REDUCES ABILITY RANGE

BY 90%

[heady ginkgo]

oh rifht

I forgor

🤦‍♂️

sorry

I mean either way I'm not gonna be able to test it until later seen as I'm currently in a hardmode challenge run atm

Testing beating c8-4 with borf and a lot of goats, plants and lightning

[heady ginkgo]

odd

apparently the bp doesn't use high mountain gift...?

[leaden summit]

go to #1093959312600203365 for challenge discussion

[heady ginkgo]

i kno

i did it already

[leaden summit]

borf 1.0 was released before that. Burnonimo made an announcement on release that high mountain gives much more stability, and to replace dispel with it. #1140396334558478347 message

[subtle tiger]

however if you are having problems with it, I would suggest against using it.

(for obvious reasons)

[leaden summit]

it does often increase range much further than necessary, however it also essentially guarantees that you can kill at your max rate

[heady ginkgo]

i mean given that I didn't have it before i probably need to test again

[high mulch]

maybe i shouldremember to do this, i want my chimp fully consistent on 3 times speed

[subtle tiger]

it works if you are foolproof keeping enemy count under 60

but the second it hits 60 you're gonna die

with high mountain gift, that is

[mossy remnant]

this scares me

[severe sandal]

how so?

[lavish rover]

how does this bp work?

at what tier should my modules be for this

[subtle tiger]

You should be able to figure it out yourself. Essentially, if you use the regular BurnORF I would assume you can troubleshoot your own problems with the blueprint

Or be able to tweak it without breaking it

[charred linden]

Hi, I keep dying with this blueprint becose my energy gets low. How can I fix it?

[subtle tiger]

apparently it did not take long for me to find an example.

this means you can't use sun energy because dispel is being used too often. Use lite instead, it uses moon energy

[charred linden]

I am on MT15 and knowing what to do isnt much specific. I started using non lite version only becose lite isnt enouth and has simmilar problem. I didnt noticed any mention of maximum module levels.

[subtle tiger]

lite will not have the same problem unless you touched the blueprint. it uses moon energy, you will literally never run out of energy

are you sure you're oneshotting enemies? waiting long enough for 3 disables?

why would I mention maximum module levels?

what region are you testing on?

knowing what to do means you... well... know what to do if you have a problem. the public versions are a very good starting point but not at its maximum potential, many other top players borrow it as a starting point and build off/around it to make their own build, whether it be to max contracts, further maximize damage, building frag farms, or testing new ideas.

also this exists

if you are struggling, push a lower region/difficulty.

thanks for trying out the blueprint.

[charred linden]

The problem is that i am not even on 100mil on 1 level easy. And thanks for creating this awesome blueprint.

[opaque pendant]

I switched from this to blue cat reflect til I got all the lower diff ones pretty far and all then switched back and it worked out well for me

Not saying I'm 100 bil chaos nightmare but the farm is going great haha

[subtle tiger]

then use #1094005500091318395

less stat-dependant

[charred linden]

I used that. And it wasnt enough. I would like to get better stats but i am not really sure where.

[subtle tiger]

heaven medium.

focus on charging stones

[charred linden]

I have all infinity stones with maxed exotic upgrades. And I have 108 power stones on level 50.

[plush sun]

battery foundation seems like a good new damage module

[pallid jackal]

not even close to daybloom and you need to beat c8-5

[plush sun]

I mean it's better than a regular crit

[fallen blade]

no shit

and 8-5 is trivial

but come on recognize a free x1908 damage is great

[pallid jackal]

In challanges maybe, in normal game people dont normally beat challanges

[fallen blade]

way better than any impetus or crit or subsistence

[fallen blade]

its still trivial to beat it in easy mode

and its great for us tryna get to e308 damage

[pallid jackal]

how?

its electricity damage

[fallen blade]

oh

:<

[pallid jackal]

it can make elec as good as fire or even better at start, but it needs you to beat challanges before getting daybloom

wait, it doesnt says that its only to elec, maybe im wrong

yes, im wrongs, its to all

[plush sun]

tada

[pallid jackal]

that means easy infinity damage

done, im have infinite damage

time to farm on chimp 100b

[misty carbon]

i got it!

[pallid jackal]

only problem is that i need to have battary foundation and aura, and that means no aura, and that means no max contracts

6/8 contracts on chaos impossible 100b push

[subtle tiger]

oh yeah I need to update these

and yes, all versions use battery foundation now.

it is a broken ass op module.

[misty carbon]

can you use both battery and granite, for dark sac boost?

[pallid jackal]

only problem that its blue and not aura

[pallid jackal]

Why not

[subtle tiger]

yes, but not even necessary because of how op battery is

but I'll do it anyways cuz maximum damage

[severe sandal]

oo burnorf update?

[fast epoch]

@subtle tiger can you add a emoji to your bp when you post it

it'll be funny

#1094072148492046357 has a script for looking through them all

[subtle tiger]

um

[subtle tiger]

sure I guess!

how do I add it to the title in text?

[high mulch]

<sprite=###>

[severe sandal]

069 is the drill icon

[subtle tiger]

LMAO

[tawny sonnet]

thats gonna be hilarous

add a fire icon cuz burn

XD

[rare flume]

what is the best museum layout

[pallid jackal]

5:5:4:4 nature:light:earth:darkness

[rare flume]

which dmg boost should i use with the infinity stone

[pallid jackal]

nature

[rare flume]

thanks

în what should i invest my skillpoints

[plush sun]

Will BurnORF benefit from High Mountain Gift? or does Google give enough spell range to hit enemies at spawn already

[misty carbon]

i don't think the range matters here.

[plush sun]

spell range

not regular tower shooting range

[pallid jackal]

i have it big enough to kill everything when it spawns

[leaden summit]

yes; however burnorf can have issues if its range grows too large
i believe just google's is good enough for spawnkilling but i could be wrong

[plush sun]

how can more range be bad?

[leaden summit]

high mountain makes it more stable till the range goes too big, where it becomes unstable for idk why

i think because there's not enough enemies so the tower doesn't shoot for a frame so the tower dies

[plush sun]

I have both HMG and Google at tier 155, max fps set to 144 (idk the actual fps it's at), holding alright so far (~4 hours) on chaos nm

[plush sun]

on second thought, this mIght be due to super bounces disappearing, and when next enemies spawn there are not enough of them to kill new enemies

[leaden summit]

battery found? pinned one prob not

it works nicely with it though

you need ~t175 mods and e65 anvil for chimp now

i think that’s the levels now

e65 anvil total boost

t175 mods (offensive is the general focus)

[plush sun]

Offensive modules (at tier 155) sorted by damage increase in a nature based BP:
NL means Nature and Light here, ED means Earth and Darkness

1. Steini's: >1e5x
   2-3) NL focus: 3100x
2. fracture: 1021x
   5-6) ED focus: ~621x
   7-8) NL crit¹: ~249.8x
   9-10) NL subsistence: ~89.25x
   10-11) ED crit: ~82.8x
3. emergency² crit: ~80.56x
4. normal crit: ~47.2x
   14-15) NL impetus³: 45.2x
5. solar strike: ~42.82
6. ED subsistence: ~36x
7. normal impetus: 31x
   19-20) ED impetus: 21x
   bonus: each 10x of max HP gives ~1.44x (10^0.16)x damage
   [1] all crits use average damage increase and are therefore not stable
   [2] assuming linear formula - 51% chance
   [3] all impetuses use 40 meters here

max HP, Cooldown, maybe tower testing XP

[leaden summit]

elemental crits are 80%, just use expected value (chance times value)

[plush sun]

I did

"*all crits use average damage increase and are therefore not stable"

[leaden summit]

ah ok, too many asterisks to tell. You should also factor ultimates and battery found for more comparison points

[plush sun]

yea

[leaden summit]

death wish, or the next lowest value mod

[plush sun]

death wish is like 19x

very low

so I didnt even include it

my version of burnorf doesnt even include ED impetus

[leaden summit]

i’d make a full list of everything that’s >15x
cause those are all the useful ones (you can move that to 20x but like, if you want consistency without crits then the other mods may be useful for people with very high mod tiers and damage)

[plush sun]

I'm gonna add more once my current push is done

[leaden summit]

cool, i can also do it if need be

[leaden summit]

holy crap darkness and earth mods get killed in multipliers
they lose like 75% of their value

[plush sun]

^0.8

synergy is good, but not extremely good

[subtle tiger]

try taking them out and tell me what happens to your damage.

[plush sun]

ik they are needed

i'm not saying they are bad

[hollow path]

ok so idk why but sometimes i just die out of nowhere

every time its either to dark or universal

im using the lite bp with the correct ai, module tiers ~52, 1e40x nature in board, light is on, i cant figure out why

the only thing i can think of is lowering disable costs but that takes so damn long

is there any sort of blueprint tailored for killfarming or do i just use whatever works

[sweet apex]

@hollow path has earned the Spark role!

[hollow path]

i never had this problem UNTIL i got the 1e40x nature bonus

now i just die at random

but ig ill just go for 0 costs

been putting it off far too long

[fast epoch]

For fragments #1144705871486648460
For halloween stuff #1157830980590120962

[plush sun]

while my push is going, I want to see how my killspeed compares to others.
using the 8 hour option, my highest is about 1.691e5, and lowest dip is 1.662e5, how good is this speed for burnorf?

[subtle tiger]

use 10 second graph.

dividing that number by 6 gives kills per second (600 is max in chaos), or divide by 2 for kills per second on 3x speed (1800 is max on chaos)

[rare flume]

is there a way to get daigoparry into this BP

[subtle tiger]

Why?

[rare flume]

because i always die bcs of lag spikes and i want to see if that would maybe help

[subtle tiger]

What region are you testing on using which bp

And what are your mod levels

[rare flume]

110 red 90 blue 90 yellow 88 purple

chaos medium

[subtle tiger]

It's just medium you shouldnt be dying

Which bp?

[rare flume]

BurnORF LITE Blueprint Import (v1.0) i think this one

[subtle tiger]

Thats even weirder

What inf, send me a screenshot of your death screen

[rare flume]

happends when i change resolution which causes lag spike

9,5 million inf

[plush sun]

yes that is a thing, but for me PoTC and uni shield are enough to survive this
try setting a higher priority to TPT in task manager

[subtle tiger]

... just dont change your resolution by dragging it?

You are literally self-inducing lagspikes

[plush sun]

also quick movements are better

dont "drag" it

[subtle tiger]

At least pause the game if you are going to try to do that

[plush sun]

drag in one quick move

[rare flume]

ôh forgot i can pause

[plush sun]

good tip

[subtle tiger]

I use pause a lot more than Id like to admit

[brisk vortex]

There is an ai script to solve that prob

It helped me alot too, coz i have a potato pc

It removes games speed when fps is below the threshold and pauses the game when fps is half the threshold

It turns them on again when fps stabalizes

[subtle tiger]

oh that's sick

is it resolution-dependant though

I don't think ai can toggle speed factor on its own

[brisk vortex]

You have to manually set the coordinates of the click

And your own threshold

Credits to Master
#a-ai-scripts message

It is a lifesaver, for real

[subtle tiger]

sounds like one

for sure

especially for a blueprint like mine

[pallid jackal]

also its really old and can be improved (probably)

[subtle tiger]

I mean it's AI so if it works and doesn't drastically decrease fps from active loops then I think it'll be fine

[stuck meadow]

There are a couple of cases where it gets stuck in an infinite loop and fails

I was working on redoing it like 6 months ago but never finished, problem with the current run is I couldn't fit the full code into 25 lines so some stuff got cut to make it fit

so the next version if I ever get around to it will have several scripts that call on each other or a main script that calls on the other scripts to loop until normalized and what not.

[subtle tiger]

how do I find the coordinates of the buttons?

[stuck meadow]

f2

[fast epoch]

use can use f4 f7 to make one

[stuck meadow]

he is adding them into my lag saver script since his run just died due to lag

[subtle tiger]

okay now how do I do this on a small screen

I can't see the coordinates cuz it's too small lol

oh f4 f7 worked

[subtle tiger]

my 3x speed stutters a lot lol

[stuck meadow]

you can change the threshold

even on the fly

with 'u' and 'j'

[subtle tiger]

ye

it's at like 60

and even though steam fps says like 90-110 it's still stuttering

not as bad though

[stuck meadow]

yeah it checks per frame

steam does a running average

so when it changes speed that can effect that frame

I mean its not like I set the default values at as low as I thought anyone would use them at instead of what I use them at

[subtle tiger]

💀

[leaden summit]

something in halloween makes it much worse than previously

[nimble portal]

Is there a hidden effect with phasing module? Not sure if main version has phasing but Ik the lite does, however that blocks attacks assuming shield is above 0 points but theres no shield in the build at all.

Or is it just there to give the enemies something to steal thats useless.

[subtle tiger]

hah you caught me 😐

the lite version I threw together in 5 minutes and didn't give it much thought

[nimble portal]

Fair enough 😂

[subtle tiger]

will be fixed in the next release don't worry :p

[subtle tiger]

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Try this ^ lmk if you have energy problems

oh and replace death wish with quantum speed if your mod levels aren't super high

[nimble portal]

Im missing 4 modules from the last challenges and one of them is battery foundation. Let me quickly finish them off

[subtle tiger]

battery foundation is from c8-5

[nimble portal]

Ty 🙂

[nimble portal]

WHat counts as super high?

Mine are currently about 80

Not seen much of anyone elses gameplay so not sure what constitute "Very High"

[subtle tiger]

"super high" as in like 130-140

[nimble portal]

Fair xD

[subtle tiger]

it is quite literally super high

80 is good but easily acquirable through regular resources

I'd constitute anything acquirable outside resource gain (through forge) "high" (above 100)

I mean 130 isn't even that high now with how easy frags are to get

oh another thing, lmk if you start healing with touch

[nimble portal]

I need to start forge, basically just went Mt12 -> Mt15 last night and then went to sleep so have barely touched any of the new stuff besides getting some infs done

[subtle tiger]

yo good on you for actually reading the pins

because istg

mt12-15 is ridiculously fast

it's just

[nimble portal]

Yeah xD

[subtle tiger]

people are stupid

[nimble portal]

Just went to inf 25 on a Mt12 run and then skipped all the way to Mt15

[subtle tiger]

yeah you can do that too if you get enough accel

[nimble portal]

Now got a few 10K+ Nightmare on all maps so working on improving stats for Impossible pushes and stuff

[subtle tiger]

oh you're flying geez

we should move to #infinity-phase

[nimble portal]

Good point

[nimble portal]

New build seems to be working very well, at 140k where previous record was 20/30k on Chaos Nightmare

Now 200k

[subtle tiger]

I'm really just making sure you aren't running out of energy and that you aren't dying from something stupid

[nimble portal]

Nah, no energy issues

[subtle tiger]

because I really want to drop the lite version cuz ppl can't fucking read

[nimble portal]

Ahahaha

[molten yarrow]

you should probably just split it off into it's own post/thread.

[echo goblet]

Ive been trying to figure out how to best get frags and I seem to be struggling. I'm still somewhat new to the game even though I'm at MT15, my idles are only O:1.158e5 D:5.756e4 U:7.572e4 S:6.341e4 per second. I've tried different frag farming builds but I think I might be missing something. At this point, I have to leave the idle running overnight so that I can get 1e8 or 1e9 to upgrade my forge even more. Any recommendations on what it may be that I'm missing. I'm pretty sure I read most of what I needed to but I might have missed something. In the forge I'm at lvl O:125 D:105 U:110 S:105.

Thank you for your awesome work on this btw

[leaden summit]

check #1144705871486648460 for a borf-based frag idle
it has a ton of instructions so depending what goes wrong, might be able to tell you more specifically how to fix in that discussion

[echo goblet]

I'll look at that again. I think I did at one point, but it's always good to double check.

[plucky skiff]

Those are not bad idles all things considered, within order of magnitude to the best I know of. And generally fragment farming is fairly understandable as far as outcomes go - you go to a high difficulty high infinity spot in tower testing, and the result you get for a given BP is proportional to your kill speed. Assuming BP and kill-speed are constant (if you have best BP you know of and it performs as expected) the only variables become at what difficulty and what inf you're managing to run it at, which will be improved with various passive boosts, anvil and module levels

[echo goblet]

so if I'm able to run, say Chaos nightmare, inf 2.638e6, and just let it run, I should just invest in passive boosts (for not sure what in particular) and then keep upping my module levels as I get more frags?

[fallen blade]

tried getting more infs in chaos insane?

[subtle tiger]

use frag farms to set idles, use this to push. invest frags into an anvil lock before upgrading modules

also I'd suggest insane for now, nightmare is a big jump

[plucky skiff]

set your idles, then push more (only a jump by x10 counts, as that's when enemies get one more module at the same time which increases frags) and try to set them there - and when you fail you know you need more dakka

you'll need two separate pushes, as offensive frag BP is much stronger than the other 3

[echo goblet]

What's dakka mean?

[plucky skiff]

firepower, damage usually. that's a WH40k term, I thought it was more widely understood

[echo goblet]

gotcha. I'm aware of 40k, just not too versed into the lore of it, but now that you mention it, it rings a bell.

I kept failing at inf 5mill in insane. I'm going to tryto bump down to hard and see where that gets me

follow up question: how should I set up my town perks and my factory f2 (wave accel, resoure drop, producer boost?)

[plucky skiff]

all to damage, you want optimal kill speed and nothing else matters for frag farming

and damage generally means even spread between actual damage and power stones

[echo goblet]

ok, so i'll handle that. for Rak's curse, I know they want no hints to be put out there on how to get it. That said, would having higher luck, make it so I can get the module faster?

never mind, I think the answer might be yes

[echo goblet]

and as far as which type of extra booster do I use, wave, resource, or production?

copy that

so if I understand correctly, pushing waves will help me get into further infs, which will help me to be able to farm more frags eventually?

[high mulch]

yes

[echo goblet]

cool beans, so I'll just leave the tower testing running for now in the hopes of getting a couple hundred k infs and pushing up for the frag farming hopefully

[proven furnace]

focus mult does nothing right?

[subtle tiger]

on 100b it does, otherwise it doesn't.

[stark sapphire]

100b inf?

sorry, am noob.

[proven furnace]

also why attack speed and quantum speed if borf permastun the tower.

[stark sapphire]

that is odd, yeah.

[subtle tiger]

Projectile speed affected by attack speed.

[nimble portal]

Attack Speed affects the projectiles speed (How fast they travel) too

[stark sapphire]

huh, thanks,

[nimble portal]

And If they travel faster, they kill quicker meaning the kill rate of the build goes up

[proven furnace]

ok

so with defiance + power cat, I would basically become immortal.

[subtle tiger]

nope

[nimble portal]

They are there to block a few hits on the runup, the build isnt meant to get hit, especially at later infs as you will die instantly anyway

[proven furnace]

well, it probably would survive a little longer and have better chance surviving lag spikes

[leaden summit]

the biggest issue with that is that you can really only afford 2 def mods that will really affect kill rate
e wall is one of them

[plush sun]

huh?

what does focus mult do on max inf?

[fallen blade]

its all bosses in max inf

idk if its cuz of that

also wait

you mean focuses? like the 2000x for 45 seconds?

[plush sun]

focused multishot

[fallen blade]

oh

[plush sun]

which I asume does not work on super multishot

[fallen blade]

i remember being told it does

oh well

[plush sun]

I dont think so

[fallen blade]

shame

[subtle tiger]

It does but the effect is too minimal if you arent at inf 100b

Super weird tech

[stark sapphire]

creeper. aw man.

[echo goblet]

so I was able to get my infs to 14b in chaos insane but now I can't last 3 seconds using the frag farm BPs at that difficulty. I did try in chaos hard and it did bump up my frag idles by .023e in each which is nice I guess lol

I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or not

[plucky skiff]

well, the thing you did wrong is to use your strongest BP to push to your limit - fragment farming BPs due to optimizing for fragment drops have to be by definition weaker than full-pushing BP, you have to stop manually earlier than the maximum you can reach

[echo goblet]

oh crud...

[plucky skiff]

also, just reach as close you can to a power of 10, anything more you reach in between just increases difficulty without helping in frag farming

[echo goblet]

well, in that case it seem like I'm not getting the hang of it. I used this BORF BP to climb up in my infs.

wait, reach what as close as I can to the power of 10?

I guess I need to use a different frag farm BP.

[plucky skiff]

enemies at inf 10m+1 will drop just as many fragments as enemies at 99m, and the latter will be much harder to kill

[echo goblet]

ooohhh... ok well thankfully I'm only at 14b for the insane. way too high to frag farm at that diff now sadly

[plucky skiff]

generally when you're unsure reach the next power of 10 and run frag farms, once you set the idles you can push to the next checkpoint

[echo goblet]

and then once I set the idle, just leave the idle running for a while before pushing for the next checkpoint?

[plucky skiff]

it only records your best idle score from any run - so once you set it it's safe, you will always be able to spend your idle time at that rate

that's why there are 4 separate BPs for frag farming, one for each color you can optimize for

[echo goblet]

I think I'm explaining myself incorrectly. I meant that once I got a decent idle score, I should leave the idle screen running gathering frags for a while to bump up my next module level in the forge. Then go ahead and push for the next checkpoint?

If that's correct, I would push for the next checkpoint using some BP that's not as strong as an OP one like BurnORF?

[plucky skiff]

You can run it at idle, but it has the same efficiency as having the game off and letting idle time accumulate, so it's up to you. It does not matter when you go for the next checkpoint - at some point you'll reach one you can't farm at. And then you know you're done in frag farming at that difficulty until you farm enough boosts to damage to be able to take it on

(or you could eyeball at what inf you can farm and stay at that - risking that you're leaving frags on the table in case you're wrong, but playing it safe in case there comes a new improvement to frag farming in a later patch that would require setting idles again)

[echo goblet]

ok, I think I'm getting the hang of this (which btw, I sincerely appreciate taking your time to help me understand this stuff). So, to actually farm at a particular difficulty, I would turn off the softwares that make the waves climb up quickly, and just use some BP that could handle that for the type of frag I'm looking for?

[plucky skiff]

aand you can do BurnORF to push, but you have to be present to manually pull the plug as when BurnORF dies no frag farming BP will survive

[echo goblet]

yeah, BurnORF wasn't even close to dying when I started I had it running. It had been going on for like 16 hrs and was pushing pretty well. lol I just pulled the plug for now to see what else I could do to push some other stuff up

And actually, if I indeed do pick some BP that can handle whatever inf I'm at where I set my idle at, how can I figure out which BP to use, since the frag farm BPs I've found (from Woot or the Frag Farm BP threads) auto stop at 60 seconds? (I think that's the last piece of the puzzle I'm missing)

[plucky skiff]

idle is set after 1 minute in-game time - most farming BPs just auto-quit after that minute passes, so you can generally have all your software on, it's not as finnicky as resource idle

so unless you have a build that somehow significantly speeds up later it makes no sense running for longer than 1 minute to set the idle score

[echo goblet]

oh sorry, I meant, once I set the idle score, what's the best way to actually farm for those frags: tower testing using some particular BP, or just using the idle screen and letting the frags build up that way?

[plucky skiff]

use Stored Offline Time

or stay on idle screen with game open, but like I already mentioned it has the same efficiency as having the game off

[fickle grove]

if you're gonna afk in game, might as well afk somewhere like mine with a script or adventure with a script

or just inf push

imagine going offline

[plucky skiff]

tower testing will be LOWER efficiency, as the whole point of farming each color separately is that you can't have the maximum frag farming efficiency in all colors at once

[fickle grove]

imagine needing all types of frags

[echo goblet]

oh wow, thank you folks, this is pretty helpful info. I'm trying to bump up my forge levels right now (so I can keep inf pushing) and just trying to figure out what the most efficient way to do that at the stage I'm at. I got my crates to a decent level, I maxed out all of my buildings and got the xp reqs for all of the elements to 0. I'm thinking the best way to keep climbing is to keep fabricating the exotic producers so I can bump up my multiplier in the headquarters, and just bumping up the forge levels anytime I get enough frags to do so. I'm also making wave accels as I can too in the factory to help out even more

unless I'm focusing on the wrong thing and should be using my frags on the anvil until a certain point

[plucky skiff]

don't know if anyone has the math of it, both module levels and anvil are important and main ways to get ahead in the very-late game

[echo goblet]

gotcha. right now, I'm working on getting my def/utility/ult mods to hopefully match my off mods (which are at 130)

[nimble portal]

Random thought, may it be worth removing granite foundation? Since battery is now there as granite slows attack speed and I dont see anything in the blueprint that scales with your own max health. Unless Im missing something then fair enough and Im just being dumb, but if not can then use that slot for another module.

[subtle tiger]

dark sac, also the attack speed debuff is negligible with enough attack speed buffs (hence the attack speed modules in the blueprint)

dark sacrifice damage bonus scales with hp

the newer version has both granite and battery

[nimble portal]

Ahhh, completely missed Dark Sac

[subtle tiger]

no worries

[nimble portal]

Yeah thats fair enough

[subtle tiger]

also worthy to mention that damage bonuses we're scraping are literally x10-x20 damage, so the bonus granite gives is much more substantial compared to those

[leaden summit]

for reference, dark sac ends up around e15 multiplier at t145
and drops to like 30e3 without granite found

[tawny sonnet]

Also isn't granite attack cooldown not attack speed?

[subtle tiger]

it still fucks with the projectile speed for some reason

[leaden summit]

probably because the game doesn't separate them
would be a great suggestion to change to attack speed down by 30% in desc. or to change the function

[misty carbon]

didn't it say -30% as before they changed it to attack cooldown?

[leaden summit]

It says it changes the cooldown between attacks
and apparently it changes with tier?

[nimble portal]

Yeah its at 80% originally then drops 10% per tier until tier 5

At which point its 30%

[tawny sonnet]

Weird

[final tangle]

What should my stone distribution be for this bp

[plush sun]

in general 5:5:4:4 nature/light/earth/dark
for exact numbers see #967563045964500992 message

[fallen blade]

(he made it)

[next frigate]

@subtle tiger is there any unneeded modules in the bp to try to get more contracts?

[fast epoch]

if you want to set idles use #1144705871486648460

[next frigate]

im not looking for fragments

just town resources

[fast epoch]

then winAI from #1156693884798251128

[plucky skiff]

how does the fork compare to the original, what's optimized?

[fast epoch]

it adds bulwark

nothing else changed

[cosmic tide]

hm

[proven furnace]

would growth help?

[subtle tiger]

Yes, but suggest a replacement for it that wouldnt give diminishing returns.

(No it wont)

[proven furnace]

relay?

[subtle tiger]

which one are you looking at 💀

unless that's in the old one

I've been putting off posting the actual new ones for real

because ai is being stupid

[plain widget]

what modules to ban in infinity?

[plush sun]

the ai does it for you

[plain widget]

ok

[river crescent]

what i need upgrade to not die in 30min?

[misty carbon]

low stats, maybe?

[river crescent]

got e24 and nature e54

[leaden summit]

if it's lasting that long, you need more damage

[molten yarrow]

curiously, do you have the bundled AI imported and running? coz the ai overlay seems to be on but i don't see any scripts running.

[leaden summit]

it cleans itself up on death not on testing exit

[molten yarrow]

ahh. fair

[leaden summit]

there are only four states of burnorf: non-functional, where it dies in <10 sec cause you have AI issues or something like that; unstable, where it dies to lag spikes but otherwise survives; stable, where it survives indefinitely, and stat capped, where it works until suddenly it starts dying at the same point and becomes non-functional past that

[lavish rover]

how can i get to beggining of the channel?

[leaden summit]

click pins

[lavish rover]

thanks

how much energy and hitpoints should i have at least?

[sweet apex]

@lavish rover has earned the Wildfire role!

[leaden summit]

t75+ modules and around e30 or e40 on anvil

[lavish rover]

i have modules at tier 86 but how can i have e30 on anvil?

i don't understand how the energy is increasing

[leaden summit]

between basic, nature, earth, light, and dark damage you need e30 total

[leaden summit]

sun energy

[lavish rover]

i mean the limit is higher then the energy module gived

[leaden summit]

i’m confused
there’s a lot of stuff that could do that, and i don’t know what one it’d be

[lavish rover]

ok sorry

anyway i am dying everywhere to e116 damage so ill propably continue with reflect build for some time

like my highest inf is 2.3b when i run it i instantly die

[leaden summit]

you might be hitting stats wall

[lavish rover]

i don't really know what to do because with reflect build i can get 1b infs per night but the resources almost don't increase so its hard to progress

[leaden summit]

more mod levels or more anvil damage
you shouldn’t be running out of energy and shouldn’t be getting hit

[lavish rover]

ok

[plush sun]

charged tokens

arcade exotic skill

afaik is the only thing in the game that boosts max energy for the tower

[gentle wren]

is the borf module necessary?

[plush sun]

the bp wont work without it

[pallid jackal]

100% it is

[plush sun]

literally

it's like building a house out of bricks without using bricks

[gentle wren]

oh ok ima get on that

[severe imp]

maybe?

[subtle tiger]

i should probably update this

[rich trellis]

Please

I am too stupid to know which modules would benefit it more

[dark adder]

the ones that do more damage

[stark sapphire]

grim reaper sounds good... but when copied, oof.

[fast epoch]

that's most modules

[stark sapphire]

True.

[stark sapphire]

Stupid question number (infinite), but do shipments happen offline, and can you still get sea miles from it?

[plush sun]

I believe so

[subtle tiger]

yes, idk why you asked here though

you would still have to reset it either manually or with a worker though

[stark sapphire]

Wait, I didn't?

That was in infinity phase.

Am I being ghostlighted?

Nvm, I'm dumb.

[surreal sphinx]

Borf Brainrot

[stark sapphire]

Fair.

(I really thought I posted that in imfinity phase. My bad.

[blissful turtle]

After using BurnORF LITE for a week, I finally test BurnORF and here we go forever. Very powerful after 200 fps, the ai is very clean too, good job

[tall juniper]

I'm curious why we use infinity foundation in this build. The enemies attack wayyy too fast for universal shield to do much if that's what foundation is for, and the (or at least my) tower's hp isn't nearly high enough to take a single hit anyway. Wouldn't it be better to replace that module (and by extension infinity energy) to potentially get another contract fulfilled?

[leaden summit]

because without it, uni shield doesn't work whatsoever. The idea is that you have uni shield and cat power solely to protect vs lag spikes

you should never get hit in the first place, but with inf found, uni shield, and cat power, you shouldn't die if one enemy hits you because you lag

[tall juniper]

Ahhhh that makes sense! Thanks!

I can see it working both ways honestly too. Without the 2 infinity modules, you'll be hurling out more attacks, but be vulnerable to even a single hit. This would probably work better on a fast computer. Meanwhile with those modules you may have a little bit of leeway against lag spikes (which become 100× more dangerous because of enemy attack speed)

[leaden summit]

correct
that's the thought behind the "glass cannon" variant, which can hit enough damage to push even chaos impossible given enough stats otherwise.

[tall juniper]

Wait there's a glass cannon variation?

[dark adder]

"Rak's Curse" variant probably

[tall juniper]

Ohhh... what's raks curse do anyway

[dark adder]

Less module cooldown and more health

[tall juniper]

Ahh

[leaden summit]

that variant is full glass cannon to the point of adding rak's curse
there's another version that you can make that doesn't use rak's curse but has zero survivability, so 1 hit and you die

[dark adder]

That's basically what I usually use, burnorf but with 0 survivability

[tall juniper]

Mine was modified to hit 6 contracts and added stone of floof for a bit extra for resources

[ruby plover]

why instat lose?

[pallid jackal]

Cuz you are weak

[ruby plover]

I lose on every map

[ruby plover]

What can I do to get more inf

?

[pallid jackal]

In chaos impossible nothing other than winAI

[ruby plover]

I have town perks to dmg/power Stones

[fickle grove]

chaos impossible

your stats suck

don't do it

[fickle grove]

that doesn't matter at all

[ruby plover]

what Is need to do to use this bp?

[pallid jackal]

To not be stupid and go in litteraly hardest place possible

Also good fps/damage

[fickle grove]

stop trying to use it to do chaos impossible

you WILL NOT be able to do it for a long time

[ruby plover]

I try it on easy r1

[fickle grove]

ok

do you actually have all the modules for it

and the proper ai for it

[pallid jackal]

And good fps, and nature/uni stones, and nature/light/darkness/earth/generic lock, and 5:5:4:4 museum stones layout

[ruby plover]

I use this to get max round on easy r1

good?

[stone token]

Nope, does not do era dividers on its own

[high mulch]

it assumes Light infinity stone or for you to do it yourself

[subtle tiger]

there is an era script! it just doesn't do the normal ones first

should I come back to this game

I haven't opened it in a month

[misty lagoon]

What's the latest script and Blueprint?

I can't find it

[tawny sonnet]

should be in the pins

.

[bright sail]

how do i get borf

i got every thing else

[fast epoch]

!modules

[lucid bear]

TPT2 Wiki: Modules

[exotic siren]

so with the offensive set i can easily clear 100B infinity on heaven nightmare, even without town perks i can do the full minute. but with any of the other presets i die without killing a single enemy, with townperks. i am not missing any modules.

am i just too weak still?

[leaden summit]

the offensive set is a ton more lag resistant

[tidal crystal]

I don't understand the point of any defense modules, even Infinity Foundations at higher Impossible difficulties

Once the enemies get above e160 and attack way too fast, nothing is going to save you. They have like .1 attack countdowns

Even OHKO'ing them won't save you

Rn I don't know how to progress on CHIMP because even if I did 308 damage the speed loadout alone would kill me

I'm mostly just annoyed at these Archers

[high mulch]

they are there because of the lower difficulties that you can tank

[tidal crystal]

Makes sense

[high mulch]

it will, with good enough fps at least

[tidal crystal]

anything on even Nightmare towards the last 5 regions tho attacks way too fast for me to do anything

[tidal crystal]

How fast?

I'm attacking at 128 with all modules uncovered

[high mulch]

like 300 or something, i don't know an exact number

[tidal crystal]

300, wut?

[high mulch]

enough to spawn kill

[tidal crystal]

How is that possible to get 300 Attacks/sec

[high mulch]

fps, not attacks per second

also your attacks per second with this bp is 0 in stats anyway

[tidal crystal]

I'm still confused on that

some have told me speed modules DO effect Borf so don't ditch them

but I've also read on here they don't do anything and effect nothing

[high mulch]

pprojectile speed is affected by attacks per second before the stun is taken into account

[tidal crystal]

Ah

Guess I need to look into getting a faster computer then

[misty carbon]

you're asking in a wrong channel it seems like

[hexed hound]

.

[ruby plover]

why this bp isn't updated?

this is the best version?

[elder gulch]

from how it performs, I'd say yes

[ruby plover]

ok

[hexed hound]

work even when my disable costs arent 0?

and how do i start ai

[misty carbon]

it automatically starts at new round

[misty carbon]

probably?

[hexed hound]

nah

didnt work

just tried

maybe cause i was on impossible and started at like era 2mil?

[misty carbon]

what, unlimited damage?

[hexed hound]

i dont gain exp for some reason

what software do i disable?

[misty carbon]

if you don't have light stone, start at era 1 (infinity count doesn't matter) and disable era surge/burst/swirl until you have /inf dividers

[hexed hound]

ok

or

ill just get it to 0

[hexed hound]

got em all to 0

problem now is era dividers i think

pls add a auto era divider

[molten yarrow]

there's a note up top that states

... Light Stone is VERY helpful, but if you don't have it charged, era creep before turning on software. ...

tdlr: use Light Stone inf perk, otherwise do it manually.

it's how the blueprint and it's bundled AI was built by the author. unless the author (or someone else) adds that modification then you:

• era creep manually (honestly, this should be fairly quick at this point. barely an inconvenience)
• make a script yourself
• find a pre-made script that'll do it for you

[cloud quartz]

I may have missed it reading through, but are there any important infinity disables?

[misty carbon]

ai autodisables the needed modules

[cloud quartz]

Oh, completely missed the AI.....grr

[livid rivet]

Heck, I am still trying to figure out how to get the AI started haha, I have it imported and enabled but none of the abilities fire off.

[sweet apex]

@livid rivet has earned the Spark role!

[cloud quartz]

Check to make sure you don't have another ability firing AI as well

had to disable my other one

Seems like this is a build I should run on my beefy desktop instead of my laptop lol

[misty carbon]

yeah this relies on a good amount of fps

[livid rivet]

I bet its something really simple I am missing but seems like this one is a no-go for me atm... too late/early to worry heh

aha! I think I got it

[stone token]

After you imported it, just make sure it isn't shown as crossed out in your Facility AI overlay.
Then like Smiten said, make sure you turn off all other ability AIs.
Also, once you imported be sure to reset your AI by pressing the F4 button twice

Could be none of that, but just a bit of troubleshooting

[stone token]

What was it?

[livid rivet]

I did the double-clicky thing for the AI and whatever it copied, I was able to still import, but it was only the skills script and nothing else. I clicked the download message and got the full text and imported, all the other scripts appeared.

[stone token]

Ooohhh

[misty carbon]

oh you need to triple click for that

[stone token]

Yip, triple click to copy absolutely everything

[livid rivet]

Like I said, it was probably something simple I was missing. 😄 It's almost 1am haha... im toast

[molten yarrow]

(unless it's too long and triple click also doesn't select everything)

[misty carbon]

it has a limit?

[stone token]

Interesting

[molten yarrow]

depends on the platform.

[livid rivet]

I do find it funny that double-clicking in the text box thing in Discord still allowed me to successfully import anything at all

[molten yarrow]

you can have a large text file attachment in discord, and it'll still show "some" of its contents. triple-clicking it will only select what's "shown" in the embed but not the whole thing.

which is why it's still best to just download the embedded attachments and open externally to select+copy

[misty carbon]

ok from my own testing triple click is limited by newline characters

[molten yarrow]

yeah. that too.

[livid rivet]

Oof, even the LITE version I am not ready for. I have a long way to go yet to make use of this effectively - exciting!

[ionic ermine]

what stones do you use in museum with this build? just a set and then all nature?

[misty carbon]

nature/light/earth/dark, in a 5:5:4:4 ratio

[ionic ermine]

oh more light then dark? didn't expect that

thanks

[misty carbon]

yeah cause synergies

[ionic ermine]

makes sense

[hexed hound]

only those 4?

[misty carbon]

yeah

[hexed hound]

once i get to insta charge levels i will max them

[kindred bridge]

maybe i am doing something wrong but i copied the module bp (BurnOrf) but after a while i don't have any more energy...

[hexed hound]

Tier of energy modules too low

How u only at 5e7 energy

[kindred bridge]

~lvl 45

too low tho, ty

[fast epoch]

that doesn't really have to do with anything since energy regen is % based

the tier doesn't matter much

[fast epoch]

make sure you're not missing any modules

also you're using 2 or 3 skillspammers

turn off the first one

the second one maybe too

[kindred bridge]

ok

better ty

[sweet apex]

@kindred bridge has earned the Spark role!

[cloud sable]

I feel like im survivng untill i try modes with all the elements like all impossible diffs, any tips about that?

[high mulch]

impossible isn't hard because it's all the elements, it's hard because it's impossible

[velvet furnace]

amazing quote by yoshi

but for realsies, impossible has a lot of stuff easier difficulties don't, like higher elemental resistance (for example, universal getting like /65535 to all but universal, and neutral)
enemies also get higher shields, that go way above their health, and it's very hard to kill unless you have high stats

[cloud sable]

howe can i see how much fps i got?

[compact nacelle]

are you on steam? turn it on in steam settings

or use the fps counter in #1093895780865163284

[cloud sable]

ty

[sweet apex]

@cloud sable has earned the Ember role!

[naive granite]

so im finally switching to burnorf after getting inf 100b on forest easy so can someone help me with the basics

also whenever I use the AI my game freezes and then it turns off

[high mulch]

turn off atomic functions?

[naive granite]

oh that would make sense

it worked thx

[elder root]

uhhh i have the skill ai thingy on and it doesnt do anything for my skills

nevermind its working now

nevermind, still not working

cool

[leaden summit]

it might have broken - reimport it to check.

[gilded kite]

they didn't have the light stone enabled

[granite wren]

I cant import the pinned AI, it is normal ?
It import an empty BP.

[misty carbon]

triple click the ai

[granite wren]

is it normal that there is only 1 script in the package ?

[misty carbon]

no.
again, triple click the damn ai

[gilded kite]

Single click - page mouse cursor

[granite wren]

I dont understand 😭
where I need to click ?

[gilded kite]

Double click - select at word boundary

[misty carbon]

the ai script in discord

[gilded kite]

Triple- select full text

[misty carbon]

until new line*

[granite wren]

finally

thanks you and sorry 😅

[rare hedge]

wHy iS AtTacK sPeEd HeRe???????
-basically anyone who never used burnorf\

[fast epoch]

I don't think its quite obvious on why attack speed is on the bp

there's 0 mention that attack speed goes with projectile speed, and it pretty much never matters

[rare hedge]

what is a expected killspeed

for this bp

[high mulch]

let me find the formula

[high mulch]

(Difficulty * Lanes * 10 - (Lanes - 1))/(Lanes * Difficulty * 10) * 60 * Lanes * Speed

[velvet furnace]

lmao

[rare hedge]

wdym difficulty

1 for easy?

[high mulch]

oh yeah, the difficulty number is supposed to be enemies per lane per wave

[high mulch]

2,3,3,4,4,5 i think

[rare hedge]

speed?

wave accel?

[fast epoch]

Wave accel and gamespeed don't change your kps

Well, wave accel to a point

Oh not sure what yoshi means by speed

It might be gamespeed if you're reflecting to them in the graphs

[high mulch]

game speed

[high mulch]

gamespees does if going by real time

[misty carbon]

if it's based on amount of enemies per wave per lane then hard has 8 base

[high mulch]

it should be same as medium, because drop chance formula

[misty carbon]

does it have 6?..

[rare hedge]

per second?

[rare hedge]

killspeed is per minuite or second right?

[fast epoch]

kps (kills per second)

[high mulch]

yes

[golden dock]

i keep dying immediately even on chaos easy

[misty carbon]

what's the damage taken?

[elder gulch]

there are so many factors, you gotta be more specific
do you have the right infinity stones toggled?
what's your module levels?
what's your powerstone loadout?
what're your town perks?

[golden dock]

oh right srry

inf stones are good

[misty carbon]

are you sure?

[elder gulch]

what's good supposed to mean?

[golden dock]

based on pinned instructions

[elder gulch]

say what you understood good to mean

because, if I was to assume you were all "good" you wouldn't be dying

[golden dock]

good means i have the right inf stones toggled

[elder gulch]

which are?

ok, at this point I think you understood what they are, I'm hovering on this for too long

[misty carbon]

again, what damage did you take on death?

[golden dock]

gimme a sec

15 sxv

[misty carbon]

I... may not understand what that means. Can you please switch to scientific notation? (options -> other -> notation)

[golden dock]

oh right right

[elder gulch]

yea, conversion table doesn't have an sxv XD

[golden dock]

2e64

[elder gulch]

with damage like that, my first thought is that you don't have era divisors upgraded XD

[misty carbon]

hmm... this just sounds like stats issue? cause I don't think it would be anything else
I think you need more damage

[misty carbon]

no era dividers would say unlimited

[elder gulch]

ok, what's your powerstone grid

in case of confusion, this is what the powerstone grid is

[golden dock]

ik lol

problems with win shift s

[elder gulch]

mhm, that explains it XD

[golden dock]

😅 whatsup with it

[misty carbon]

i don't think that would boost the damage this much tho
anyway you do 5:5:4:4 nature/light/earth/dark

[elder gulch]

it'll boost it more than it does now

[golden dock]

alr ill go do that

[elder gulch]

i'll give you the numbers, one sec

[misty carbon]

of course, the biggest damage increase by far is in the anvil (workshop -> infinity)

[elder gulch]

31 nature
31 light
25 earth
25 dark

[golden dock]

maybe i should frag farm too then

[elder gulch]

what's your lock?

[misty carbon]

yes that could help

[golden dock]

its on 50 i can get 40s easily

[elder gulch]

the heck is that supposed to mean?

[golden dock]

tiers

arent we talking abt that

[elder gulch]

you mean stone tiers?

[golden dock]

yea

[elder gulch]

ignore them, they're not very important, they're just more helpful than what you had there

[golden dock]

excuse me if i dont know terms

[misty carbon]

they're fine then

[golden dock]

so what do you mean by lock

[elder gulch]

no worry, I'm just gonna try and be clear

workshop floor 2

[misty carbon]

go to workshop -> infinity -> anvil button on the bottom

[elder gulch]

we want this screen specifically
it'd probably be easier for you to just send us a screenshot

[misty carbon]

imagine hammering elec

[elder gulch]

XD

[elder gulch]

fair enough XD
so... what's your high score on chaos easy?

[golden dock]

i also got x1,5 on tower testing xp and 0.9 on active modules

bro i die immediately with this bp on inf 1

[misty carbon]

I think you need more fragments (to like idk, get the anvil boosts into a x1e10+ region?)

[elder gulch]

so... inf 1

[golden dock]

i have gotten higher with reflect bp like 1k

[elder gulch]

well, it'd probably help to have a lock that also boosts earth and dark damage

[misty carbon]

too bad it's not the time for the penta lock

[elder gulch]

what're your module tiers and what're your town perks?

[golden dock]

are the rewards locations just rng?

[misty carbon]

wdym?

[elder gulch]

what rewards?

[golden dock]

the bonuses