it should be nearly impossible to lose a shell like this
#Challenges github link
verbal pagoda
verbal pagoda
i don't know, i always center it
final shale
yeah same so it's not that
final shale
every time I try the challenge 5-10 times when come here and ask a question it finally works...
verbal pagoda
best remedy to a problem, complain about it
final shale
alright c10-2 I die from the start like don't even have time to get a kill with no speed or software, actually tried with lucky cat but I just die the little later
final shale
power of the cat I mixed up 2 names
well I'll try again then, there's room for more modules but the only one I think would help are purple and they're limited
verbal pagoda
alright c10-2 I die from the start like don't even have time to get a kill with ...
a pack needs to trigger basically or something
final shale
yeah I just was able to kill a few but even leveling granite to 10 I still died
verbal pagoda
c10-2 isn't very easy, but it should work eventually
final shale
the challenge that need the module to be leveled up are pretty tricky
also the tier2 doesn't help
a shame there's no neutral shell/armor
fallow basin
That's just generic
kind hull
closest things are marble foundation/generic armor
verbal pagoda
marble foundation is better than a tier 1 shell
final shale
hmm trying to see if I can use neutral response for c10-2 but it was tried probably
kind hull
lv0 energy
final shale
didn't think of that starting with 20 energy won't help for sure
alright skipping that one for now
verbal wigeon
Question - does Ivy have 2 different modes?
One where it spews green gas and seemingly does no damage to enemies and one where it spews red gas and then does damage to enemies?
twilit willow
yeah;
green deals damage based on current hp and doesn't ignore resistances
red deals damage based on max hp and does ignore resistances
verbal wigeon
Ooooohhh - now that makes a lot of sense why the green one feels like it does barely any damage
twilit willow
i mean it's literally said in the module description but ok
verbal wigeon
~~_i mean it's literally said in the module description but ok_~~
By now - you should know I cannot read!
😋
Tbh though - I haven't used Ivy a lot - except when doing the challenges - so I barely ever read its description
verbal pagoda
Ooooohhh - now that makes a lot of sense why the green one feels like it does ba...
because red toxij is %max health and ignores everything
final shale
C11-4 c11-5 and c11-6 are all called C11-5 hard well they are the same BP in the end
kind hull
C11-4 c11-5 and c11-6 are all called C11-5 hard well they are the same BP in the...
those 3 use the same bp because theyre similar
final shale
yeah I noticed later but it confused me when I was trying to import c11-4
final shale
same of those challenges are more long than hard but some are really annoying I've died at c13-2 at 400+ waves a few times now, not really sure why.
verbal wigeon
That sucks if you have gone so far and then suddenly just a few waves before the end something happens which causes you to die 😦
final shale
I'm sure the bp makers fails a lot more I've been trying to make my own for a few hardcore challenges it's very hard specially with the max tier
jaunty venture
once you start to know what modules do what and how they can be used it gets a lot easier
final shale
sure sometimes I just realize than the module is less efficient that I thought because I see it in tier 100+ and it will be tier 2 for the challenge
I don't understand the use of battery foundation in c14-1 when no attack module deals electricity damage specially with the rules
jaunty venture
I don't understand the use of battery foundation in c14-1 when no attack module ...
battery foundation boosts non elec damage too
final shale
the x50 for electricity goes up too by tier then?
jaunty venture
the x50 for electricity goes up too by tier then?
no
if its not in stats it won't go up ever
final shale
ok I see so I didn't comprehend it like that
final shale
well can't seem to do C13-2 , C14-1 and C14-3, I'm just stuck C14-1 I can go to 84 waves max, C13-2 it depends it's not always the same wave, for C14-3 it depends but I get to a point where there's too many creep to kill and I can't keep up
compact moon
the blueprint for hardmode challenge 10-2 doesn't work
you die before you can get a single XP
verbal wigeon
alright c10-2 I die from the start like don't even have time to get a kill with ...
I just scrolled back as I thought I remember some talk surrounding this before
Go read from the comment I replied on.
compact moon
Go read from the comment I replied on.
ok
shadow fossil
@compact moon you can make a slow grindy build by removing wince and using using "something" module to get some kills (got to add energy + regen too, but there's plenty of slots for all that)
and you add reflect and fiery aura to slowly kill stuff when "something" is on cd
it's really slow though but it should work
compact moon
<@535501989241552906> you can make a slow grindy build by removing wince and usi...
I got lucky and I'm currently on Wave 276
compact moon
I prefer my "will always work just slow" method over luck
by the way on hardmode 6-6 I still kept dying to melee somehow
I have no idea how
shadow fossil
🤷
I completed it 2x yday just to make sure, died only once from ranged
just to show you how slow the build is xD
I mean, could be faster if I actively used "something" but yeah, it's slow
verbal wigeon
I prefer my "will always work just slow" method over luck
I also would take this over luck any day.
shadow fossil
I was doing challenges, came to that one, saw it's luck, said hell no, came up with my idea just never put it to test, works fine 🤷
might take an hour or two but at least I'm not constantly reseting and hoping to actually get a run in
compact moon
all I did was set it to automatically restart and set up an auto clicker to click on the granite foundation and just waited
compact moon
no, 6-6
jaunty venture
not sure why you would be clicking granite foundation then in 6-6
compact moon
not sure why you would be clicking granite foundation then in 6-6
first I talked about 10-2 and then I talked about how I kept dying at 6-6
verbal pagoda
I also would take this over luck any day.
even if rolling the dice enough times is just faster?
shadow fossil
definitely faster, by a lot
ruby coyote
the c10-4 bp is currently post-era but not marked as such on the github
hazy crag
the pre-era folder is just the challenge solutions folder
twilit willow
the pre-era folder is just the challenge solutions folder
well bp makers try to make them possible before era
ruby coyote
and they are generally marked as post era, which is what I was noting
tawny pendant
hmm. yeah, that bp should be marked as post-era considering it has a few modules from that phase. (like the other bp's in the hub that also have modules from era)
verbal pagoda
the c10-4 bp is currently post-era but not marked as such on the github
which module?
this one looks like one of the ones iaccidentally threw a post era module into and just basically copy pasted for several challenges
ruby coyote
relay and frost splash
verbal pagoda
are either essential?
ruby coyote
relay shouldn't since there are no electric enemies, I'll check without frost splash
ruby coyote
are either essential?
yeah it clears fine without either
compact moon
12-4 I died on Wave 390
verbal pagoda
is Neutral response being used?
compact moon
yes
verbal pagoda
how much
compact moon
I restarted I'm currently at wave 380 I will update if I die again
I died on Wave 399
at this point I think it's just a problem with my computer because I keep failing challenges
the game does take up 80% of my computer's memory so
and also my laptop is 4 years old
luckily I'm getting a new one soon
compact moon
all right this time I beat it
verbal pagoda
i think you're spamming it too much, maybe if you stopped at around 100 or so?
compact moon
i think you're spamming it too much, maybe if you stopped at around 100 or so?
I already beat it now I'm having problems with 13-2
dusty sparrow
I went to sleep and woke up and it's still not done 😆
Update: Immediately after posting this, I went to look at it again and I had failed it
compact moon
*Update: Immediately after posting this, I went to look at it again and I had fa...
taking a screenshot cause your computer to lag causing you to lose. not really but it feels like that sometimes.
when doing some of these challenges it feels like I should not touch my computer at all in case something I do messes it up.
weak torrent
c3-5 description needs to be updated - blueprint asks for bulwark, so it's not pre-era
not sure if there's a hard mode solution without it yet
kind hull
no
jaunty venture
Does this count for hardmode challenges?
no challenge bonuses count for hardmode challenges
snow linden
Let me rephrase. Do I get another 3% for completing a hardmode challenge?
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hazy crag
look at the pinned link
amber condor
The BP for Challenge 5-5 here hasnt worked for me, for some reason Heartstopper Aura stops working on the last wave so the enemies never die
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verbal pagoda
bleh
verbal pagoda
The BP for Challenge 5-5 here hasnt worked for me, for some reason Heartstopper ...
offset a void?
amber condor
Does that mean not using it before the last wave, because I did that but Heartstopper still stoped working, idk if that is what it is
amber condor
Ah, so that's what it was
weak torrent
@verbal pagoda c15-2 is also valid for hardmode on c1-6, c8-4, c9-4
everything else, either one or the other module is blocked or creep health outpaces creep damage
weak torrent
(I was honestly surprised that c9-4 was solved with it, since it's not immediately effective at clearing creeps, but I guess that's what having two hits with u.shield gets you)
weak torrent
c3-6 description needs to be updated - asks for bulwark
verbal pagoda
alright, I'll try pre era on these later, once I'm done with Adventure
tender flicker
#1093959312600203365 message
to the top
twilit willow
it's... pinned but ok
twilit willow
true
amber condor
Having trouble with the Challenge 6-6 BP, tower keeps getting destroyed in the 100s out of 300 waves
hazy crag
do you have the AI on?
have you disabled wave streaming?
amber condor
I think it's neutral response being used at the worst timing so a non-neutral enemy reaches the tower before it is cast again
Yes to both
idk if something aint right
hazy crag
idk if something aint right
oh, you have challenge spam on at the same time
maybe try without it
amber condor
Weird, I thought I had disbaled it on the HQ
hazy crag
idk if something aint right
I think that was doing it
I got to 44 and even enabled wave streaming for a few seconds
amber condor
But yeah, an enemy gets to the tower before the spell is cast
hazy crag
can we get another look at your AI overlay?
amber condor
I had it like this, but seems like spam kept on going anyways, do I have to delete the script itself?
hazy crag
try turning the "turbo start" script off too
amber condor
ok
hazy crag
I had it like this, but seems like spam kept on going anyways, do I have to dele...
but no, that's the facility AI, the thing of importance is the AI overlay
hazy crag
idk if something aint right
wait what?
a screenshot like this
can you send a ss like this again?
oh, nvm woops
amber condor
Now I see the difference, before this it kept casting both storms at the same time
hazy crag
nice
Something was activating "turbo start" for some reason?
idk why
amber condor
Yeah not sure, but it works now
hazy crag
noice
I'm on a run too, made it to 56
you should be golden
amber condor
So yeah, when both were off is when an enemy had enough time to reach the tower lol
amber condor
Sandstorm and snowstorm, since they were being casted at the same time, both were inactive for a bit
hazy crag
yea, that'd do it
hazy crag
Sandstorm and snowstorm, since they were being casted at the same time, both wer...
success
did you have any issues?
amber condor
Tower got killed in like wave 220, I will try again later lol
I'm doing other challenges and tbh is all for 1 skill point so no hurry
The one thing I'm really behind on is the Arcade. Jumble is a pain and Adventure looks to be very end game
I do have to play the spaceship one more, is fun
weak torrent
Jumble's modules can be gotten whenever but automating it is endgame
Adventure is just a time sink
jaunty venture
its only like e40 will all luck bonuses
amber condor
I got all modules and some cards
Gettin 100 skill points is the main pain in the ass
Is a bit hard to distinguish them from power plant resources lol
jaunty venture
I wouldn't manually do the skills and cards
just leave it to a worker once you have the resources
amber condor
its only like e40 will all luck bonuses
I'm at e36 with arcade resources rn, so not far away
Yeah I will do that
Some of these challenges take a while
verbal pagoda
yes, its kinda hard to make them take less time
weak torrent
especially when half the time the solution is some variation of "disable software so you don't get swarmed"
amber condor
I get insta killed in Ocean challenge #2 even w/o wave streaming on
verbal pagoda
yes i don't like that one, im not completely sure how to fix it, could you add bulwark? would it help?
amber condor
It already has bulwark lol
I feel only chance is that WINCE will kill the 1st enemy and give me XP to upgrade granite before dying
Which is a 2% chance in this one since it's tier 2 lvl 0
verbal pagoda
yep, defensive pack is supposed to remove some of that luck
kind hull
😶
verbal pagoda
question, why no auto skip
amber condor
Last time it happened on wave 387 lol
This was with auto skip
I thought maybe with a bit of time between enemies it would do better
Only 3 I have tried and failed, will do them later on
8-6 wasnt even close btw
Gets killed like midway or 2/3 in
verbal pagoda
hmm
amber condor
Toxic Ivy seems to sometimes create separation between the tower and the enemies and other times doesnt, idk how that works exactly
kind hull
maybe related to archers/wizards
verbal pagoda
red toxin likes to do things
amber condor
Ah wait, is just down to a 25% chance for red toxin to activate
verbal pagoda
now i have to figure out why these ones don't work
amber condor
12-4 I feel I can beat, just need lucky shot to activate more in the last few rounds when enemies take a bit to get killed, so down to RNG
verbal pagoda
i don't even want to look at c6-6
kind hull
12-4 I feel I can beat, just need lucky shot to activate more in the last few ro...
you can also use some era mods for 12-4
verbal pagoda
12-4 I feel I can beat, just need lucky shot to activate more in the last few ro...
something i didn't say about it for some reason, spam neutral response for the first around 100 waves, then stop
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amber condor
13-1
verbal pagoda
lol
amber condor
It was funny trying to do it w/o it and not even being able to use Ivy lol
kind hull
borf+ivy is fun
amber condor
I have only beaten perfect space with the basic weapon/ship/pilot so far, I havent really tried much
I did get to the boss with railgun but then got killed F
kind hull
lasers
verbal pagoda
can i get a screenshot of the challenge description?
verbal pagoda
i didn't mean that, also i did kinda mean c13-1
amber condor
ok lol
kind hull
yoshi made that😐
verbal pagoda
yoshi made that😐
i made a significant portion of them
verbal pagoda
yeah that's probably why i used Ivy, Borf is to make it iseable with the low energy
maybe something with heartstopper would work eventually
amber condor
Once I go through all these I will do some Perfect Space runs, is about time, some of the few modules left to pick up
verbal pagoda
I'll question why i didn't just wince c13-1 now
amber condor
I'm getting there
kind hull
I'll question why i didn't just wince c13-1 now
because avoid wince?
amber condor
Wince is included in the BP
verbal pagoda
uhhh
it's therefor a slight speed increase i guess, it'll work with just wince I'm pretty sure
amber condor
verbal pagoda
because avoid wince?
i don't really care honestly
amber condor
idk, doing most of these challenges should make you figure out what you need to get Wince (at least that's how I figured it out)
verbal pagoda
wince is the secret 91st challenge
verbal pagoda
kits Toolkit is the secret 92nd challenge
amber condor
6-6, 8-6, 12-4 and 15-1 left, last one will have to wait for sure
verbal pagoda
ah yes, most hated c15-1
amber condor
Aight 6-6 and 12-4 done
8-6 I still get killed like around wave 170 of 300, idk lol
The one where the enemies get gears on top of them
verbal pagoda
uhhh
verbal pagoda
8-6 I still get killed like around wave 170 of 300, idk lol
what element
amber condor
I think darkness is the one that kills it
verbal pagoda
what elements are there?
amber condor
Electricity, Fire and Darkness
verbal pagoda
so nothing bad, hmm
amber condor
No ultimate modules allowed
tender flicker
is it me or this is like the most tedious part of the game?
verbal pagoda
it's pretty tedious
fair pulsar
is it me or this is like the most tedious part of the game?
Have u seen Cylindro Hate? :D
placid vale
hello. i have some problems with few hard mode challenges
namely, 6-6 and 13-2
6-6 i die halfway (no software or x3)
13-2 (75s ivy spam) i'm making 0 progress in hours
twilit willow
yeah we were talking c6-6 before, that one needs to be re-built
doesn't 13-2 require red toxin to progress further?
placid vale
i think it does, but even with it enemies just heal themselves after its done
i have it on ai script
so leaving it for few hours still nets no progress
twilit willow
don't tell me it's 75 real time seconds
placid vale
i think its ingame, but i tried both
twilit willow
it needs to be [75/3] seconds if you're using x3 speed
placid vale
yeah, i did both ways
with x3 and 25s
and without x3 75s
feels like either i'm missing something (just be more lucky) or it doesnt work
twilit willow
@verbal pagoda sorry for the ping but isn't it better to use tpi off cooldown?
or would that mess with the shells?
actually no a better question is why is there a 5s delay (15s in-game) between tpi uses in c13-2
twilit willow
feels like either i'm missing something (just be more lucky) or it doesnt work
well im trying right now, seems to work just fine for now - got to wave 51 and still going (i modified the wait time to 20s, nothing changed besides faster tpi usage)
twilit willow
you pretty much can only progress if it spawns the red toxin
placid vale
except, now tpi damage seems to linger longer comparing to disappearing after vine despawn
twilit willow
it's always like that
placid vale
confused
twilit willow
the poison damage lasts for a minute
placid vale
i'm pretty sure it was removed with vine before for me
twilit willow
no that doesn't work like that
twilit willow
okay nvm i died
placid vale
how far in?
twilit willow
idk like wave 400
placid vale
verbal pagoda
actually no a better question is why is there a 5s delay (15s in-game) between t...
the enemies will heal if it's up, it should also be 90 seconds
twilit willow
but the effect from tpi doesn't re-apply if they already have it, no?
verbal pagoda
it does stack red and green iirc
twilit willow
yes, it stacks red and green, but if it put green, then after a minute it's safe to put another one
(at least in my experience)
verbal pagoda
Challenges github link
kind hull
hmm
twilit willow
what's wrong, ryan?
loud pier
is there an other build for c8-6 ? because i sometimes lose the electricity shell when i get a red ivy and then i lose the run
placid vale
is there an other build for c8-6 ? because i sometimes lose the electricity shel...
iirc, you do longer delay for ivy, so it wont overlap if you're too lucky
90 seconds instead of 75
loud pier
i have to try that atm i have a script to place on cd
i also just added daigo for a try
jaunty venture
dagio won't do much since it runs out quickly if you're taking hits from every enemy
verbal pagoda
is there an other build for c8-6 ? because i sometimes lose the electricity shel...
trying to think how you would lose elec shell with red Ivy
verbal pagoda
uhh, wave streaming on?
loud pier
yes
loud pier
and it is only the electricity one the other two never disapear
hazy crag
stats say something?
verbal pagoda
i don't know why those tanks aren't directly attacking the tower
i can't remember what normal Ivy behavior looks like
loud pier
stats say something?
what excatly do you mean ?
hazy crag
the in round stats
do they say something?
verbal pagoda
they should say what they normally say
loud pier
with full shell they all are /60000
verbal pagoda
shell doesnt factor into those
loud pier
ok
hazy crag
they should say what they normally say
maybe there's a deviation
it's managed to get you confused so there must be something missed
verbal pagoda
the non ranged enemies are not in contact with the tower when they should be
loud pier
they get pushed back when a red flower spawns
verbal pagoda
they all decide to have hitboxes,i know that behavior
hazy crag
oh
so it's a random event?
loud pier
yep it is complete chance that the shell disappears
verbal pagoda
ivy isnt a stun, so it shouldn't affect enemy move speed in a way that prevents the enemies from advancing
loud pier
is the slow effect also stronger when its red ?
because after the pushback the enemies advance very slow
hazy crag
if red ivy is causing the problem, maybe there's a way to prevent a red ivy?
or maybe place the ivy on a slot other than vec(0,0)?
hazy crag
because after the pushback the enemies advance very slow
does it show up as an effect?
loud pier
effect similar to where the shells appear ?
hazy crag
there or if you click on an enemy (the effects should show up there too iirc)
verbal pagoda
if red ivy is causing the problem, maybe there's a way to prevent a red ivy?
or ...
but it's the highest kill speed thing in the bp
hazy crag
if it can confuse yoshi, it's likely user error somehow, in some way
so... maybe try to re-import the bp?
loud pier
verbal pagoda
this is quite bizarre behavior
verbal pagoda
if it can confuse yoshi, it's likely user error somehow, in some way
so... mayb...
it's not user error
this movement speed slow is monstrous
hazy crag
if you say so... you're the expert here
tried my best but to no results, Imma let yall figure it out, gnight from romania fellas
verbal pagoda
@dim lantern how much is toxic ivy supposed to slow enemy movememt speed
dim lantern
<@251799082337697793> how much is toxic ivy supposed to slow enemy movememt spee...
the green one ~25-50% or so I think and the red one 99%
but I need to check
verbal pagoda
well that's where the problem is i guess
hazy crag
wait
does it even have a tag that implies enemy slowdown?
verbal pagoda
yes
verbal pagoda
the green one ~25-50% or so I think and the red one 99%
could you reduce red to like 75% for tier 1 to 5 because in current form its actively killing my challenge solution reliability, at tier 6 and above it can be 99%, that's fine
dim lantern
could you reduce red to like 75% for tier 1 to 5 because in current form its act...
I just checked it and its 20% slow when green and 99% when red.
Why do you need enemies to be faster for the solution? (I haven't backread yet)
verbal pagoda
shells
hazy crag
for this
placid vale
find new solution: no
ask dev to change the module: yes
verbal pagoda
i swear it wasn't always 99%
loud pier
this is the change with red ivy
dim lantern
i swear it wasn't always 99%
I haven't touched the module since I have added it
(unless speedy did something)
verbal pagoda
i swear that these were stable when i made them
verbal pagoda
~~find new solution: no~~
~~ask dev to change the module: yes~~
finding new solutions for a half dozen challenges isn't fun
verbal pagoda
alright
loud pier
i used a script to place with an place offset of x=-4 and y =4
to just barely reach the ranged units on the other side
twilit willow
ok i guess if you only turn on auto skip and wave streaming c11-6 hm can be completed with this bp
someone else please test it, i think it might die to lag
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hazy crag
wave surge works with it too
verbal pagoda
sorry for the ping ._.
i care more that you deleted it
mellow ravine
oh
i was gonna ask smth like
why are the module blueprints the same
(like in the jungle section)
then i realized im just blind
mellow ravine
i care more that you deleted it
me when i think all of these modules are the same
😭
round crest
verbal pagoda
first try, again, though i could do with more things to reduce luck needed
also takes a while
torpid herald
can someone help me with challange 3 - 6 (winter level #6)? i don't have yet the post era stuff so is there another way?
still barn
can someone help me with challange 3 - 6 (winter level #6)? i don't have yet the...
yeah the other way is to get to era
most of the hardmodes have zero room for improvement
if you mean the normal mode of the challenge, you can use fucking anything to get those done
craggy ermine
can someone help me with challange 3 - 6 (winter level #6)? i don't have yet the...
if you mean easy mode, you can probably either use barriers (with basic shield, and some trading post bonuses) or an offensive blueprint, disabling wave streaming and getting modules like fire attack and magma foundation
hazy crag
@prime linden can you say which challenge you're having issues with?
prime linden
C1-6
twilit willow
lower your resistance in town stats
prime linden
I'm using the module that it's in the guide.
hazy crag
c1-6 is challenge 6 from forest
that's the one you're talking about, yes?
twilit willow
obviously
since c1-6 bp uses reflect, you need to lower your resistance
otherwise you will take no damage -> the enemies will take no damage
hazy crag
better safe than sorry
prime linden
Didn't know that lowering resistance was a thing or even possible.
twilit willow
yeah you can just turn off some town bonuses
hazy crag
well, I'll assume that's the one you're talking about
go into town stats and turn all of them off
or at least a majority of them off
prime linden
Is it a challenge that takes time? Only asking because I'm stuck (for now) at wave 11
kind hull
it should not be
twilit willow
it should be instant (almost)
hazy crag
send a screenshot of your ingame stats maybe?
prime linden
Well, it's def not instant 🤣
kind hull
you need to disable resistance(all) and then the resistance(element names)
hazy crag
that'd tell us if something is wrong
prime linden
I'm at 21 now
hazy crag
would you be willing to send a screenshot of your ingame stats?
ingame stats are the statistics you see inside of tower testing
prime linden
It might be because I only have factory perks only in town perks
twilit willow
again, you need to disable the resistance in town stats
prime linden
_again, you need to disable the resistance in town stats_
It's 0%
twilit willow
basic, nature and earth
hazy crag
please just send us a screenshot so we can understand where it's going wrong
prime linden
please just send us a screenshot so we can understand where it's going wrong
I haven't send it yet because I'm at 49 now, it's close
prime linden
_you didn't miss this one, right?_
All 0%
twilit willow
on the other note, why does c1-6 bp use granite+shells instead of just uni shield
hazy crag
I haven't send it yet because I'm at 49 now, it's close
no, I mean this
this statistics
kind hull
the remaining time to beat the challenge you can like do it with right way multiplie times
hazy crag
I'm not talking about these statistics
hazy crag
amazing, congrats
twilit willow
idk but I do this challenge in 2 seconds
prime linden
Just took me 3 minutes or so ooofs
hazy crag
scroll down a lil?
well, you could've probably activated wave streaming to speed it up a little
prime linden
_you didn't miss this one, right?_
prime linden
well, you could've probably activated wave streaming to speed it up a little
It was.
twilit willow
oh yeah the issue was in wave streaming
prime linden
I did it first without and it was taking that long.
prime linden
nope
Can't be because I just went now to do it again and wave streaming was unchecked.
hazy crag
you had too much resistance for reflect to kill the enemies
prime linden
0% is too much? 🤣
hazy crag
according to the timeline of events, you tried runs with software active but with too much resistance
you then turned off your resistance and you probably had an AI running that turned off wave streaming after a number of waves?
twilit willow
didn't have to do neutral but okay
twilit willow
It was faster like this but no 2 seconds, maybe 40 seconds.
do you skip to wave 60/60 immediately?
prime linden
It's probably the town perks, I have them for the factory at the moment.
prime linden
do you skip to wave 60/60 immediately?
Nope
twilit willow
no, they don't matter (besides resistance but that one makes everything worse)
prime linden
Might be, I don't know.
I'm MT9
twilit willow
what matters is you instantly killing enemies there
twilit willow
on the other note, why does c1-6 bp use granite+shells instead of just uni shiel...
@verbal pagoda why
hazy crag
yup, terrible blueprint, would not recommend
can't kill enemies when halving enemy damage by 3e11
somehow still got to wave 60 in a metter of seconds
prime linden
So it's the blueprints fault, sort of 😱
twilit willow
it's not.
prime linden
He just said it's a terrible blueprint 🤣
twilit willow
user error
hazy crag
He just said it's a terrible blueprint 🤣
I'm dividing their damage by 3e11
ofc it's not gonna work XD
hazy crag
<@734912817458577520> why
good point
it works with just reflect + uni shield
prime linden
Guess I'm missing Borf for the next challenge, whatever that is
I'll try it anyway :d
hazy crag
#perfect-space
prime linden
Oh, that was done already anyway.
hazy crag
borf = #perfect-space
prime linden
Is it at higher distances?
twilit willow
wdym higher distances
prime linden
I'm still stuck at D95 🤣
hazy crag
yes, you need to beat the game with a score of 5 million
prime linden
The Borf one
hazy crag
I'm still stuck at D95 🤣
perfect space is not adventure
twilit willow
borf is in #perfect-space, not #adventure
ship 3 weapon 3
prime linden
Oh Space, not adventure
Still need 2 more armor to past 95 without killing myself by sucking too much
hazy crag
it's fine, you'll get there eventually
prime linden
Yeah, I was focusing on getting more exotic producers, then the exotic experiment, now I'm trying to get to Era 1000 but I need to do the challenges first, might as well do them all, or try to
twilit willow
apparently there's one hard mode challenge which is only possible at #infinity-phase
prime linden
I'm at the normal ones first, I have 90% of them undone yet.
Oh boy, it seems I'm stuck again, I thought missing one module would be okay but it seems not, or is it a resistance thing again?
C2-6 WINCE missing
prime linden
The thing is, how did you guys know it was a resistance thing? It's not in the details of the challenge?
Is it a module thingy?
twilit willow
because reflect
prime linden
Wince is where?
twilit willow
W.I.N.C.E. - beat Chaos Impossible normal mode without using offensive modules
twilit willow
I mean, it's possible at mt2
prime linden
With normal modules
Oh, I've beat it already, oops, thought I didn't.
Burt no offense modules, hmmm
No idea how to do it, oh well.
Time to move on for now
rich robin
~~I mean, it's possible at mt2~~
how?
hazy crag
No idea how to do it, oh well.
here ya go
#1094094593991123006 message
prime linden
here ya go
https://discord.com/channels/488444879836413975/1094094593991123006/1...
The "link" has 0 modules in it, is that the solution? 🤣
Guess I'll have to have higher stats to be able to do it then
twilit willow
it has 1 module though
prime linden
Yeah, the wince one but that's the one I'm trying to get 🤣
rich robin
okay
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hazy crag
congrats
prime linden
So, there's no modules to get wince besides a module that uses wince to get wince
🤣
hazy crag
there's no other blueprint that the creator allowed to be shared
prime linden
That makes no sense to me, it's just a game.
But I get it and respect it anyway 😄
I'll have it eventually.
Not going anywhere
hazy crag
well, he spent money to have his module made
he gets to chose if people can share the solution or not
prime linden
That's why I said I get it and respect it 😄
twilit willow
<@734912817458577520> why
that's the second ping from me he didn't respond to yet
hazy crag
he's busy conquering the world, as usual
rich robin
anyone know why C1-5 bp doesnt work?
i can get to wave 40 but it takes multiple hits to kill and they eventually get me
twilit willow
I think it relies on getting red enough times
rich robin
red?
twilit willow
red toxin
twilit willow
c1-4: no software no wave streaming
you weren't missing any modules?
twilit willow
because they do die in 1 hit for me on hard mode
rich robin
im doing about 200m
i switched out basic attack for air attack because it does more damage but it isnt enough
twilit willow
that sounds low
I'm dealing 200b
twilit willow
you have steini's chained ball, right?
twilit willow
this is c1-4 bp on the github
twilit willow
yeah no that's not gonna work
verbal pagoda
Not for hardmode
prime linden
well, he spent money to have his module made
he gets to chose if people can shar...
Guess it was pretty easy to get WINCE actually 🤣
First try.
prime linden
Well, I was worng by the way, I thought I did because I got to the last wave quickly but then got stuck there forever 🤣
Still no WINCE 😭
No idea how to get it.
jaunty venture
No idea how to get it.
choas impossible normal without offensive mods
craggy ermine
blue, read
I thought I did because I got to the last wave quickly but then got stuck there forever
prime linden
choas impossible normal without offensive mods
That part I knew already 🤣
But I've tried, I just don't know which ones to use, I've tried a few combinations but nothing so far.
And I know sadly no one can tell me the blueprints for it.
jaunty venture
just turn off offensive modules from showing and just click through a few
you can also search tags like #damage if you want
prime linden
just turn off offensive modules from showing and just click through a few
"I've tried a few combinations but nothing so far."
One day I'll probably get it.
verbal pagoda
Well, I was worng by the way, I thought I did because I got to the last wave qui...
looks like you need to get more damage, the way you would do that is based on what kind of bp it is
twilit willow
congrats!
kind hull
now you can cheese rest of the hardmdoes
prime linden
now you can cheese rest of the hardmdoes
First I need to be able to do all the remaining normal challenges 🤣
kind hull
a
twilit willow
An alternative solution to ocean challenge #2
Still post era. (I'm not sure if I can just remove that module... probably not though, considering we start with level 0 modules)
Cooldown reducing modules are not required.
Pros:
- does not rely on luck from W.I.N.C.E. (should be able to complete the challenge every time)
Cons:
- has a module from c15-5.
AI for this will force enable all software using https://discord.com/channels/488444879836413975/1163605891833139331, then place Something to block one lane and wait until wave 5, after which it will pause and hopefully buy Granite Foundation until it can't anymore (turn off dynamic UI scaling first; tell me if it still doesn't). After that it unpauses and spams Something for the rest of tower testing.
BP and AI are in the attachment.
craggy ermine
this reminds me i need to find a solution for wince and post era challenges
i told yoshi i was going to
craggy ermine
## An alternative solution to ocean challenge #2
Still post era. (I'm not sure ...
also there's something called pull request
twilit willow
but then I would have to create a github account
verbal pagoda
## An alternative solution to ocean challenge #2
Still post era. (I'm not sure ...
i really dont care about the c15-5 unless c15-5 uses the c10-2 module
verbal pagoda
good
craggy ermine
i really dont care about the c15-5 unless c15-5 uses the c10-2 module
that'd be very funny
craggy ermine
this reminds me i need to find a solution for wince and post era challenges
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remind me in a few hours when this finishes (i died) @verbal pagoda
verbal pagoda
i guess this will be the first solution with the modern bp/ai formatting, ive been staving it off by just decoding and encoding the bps
twilit willow
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remind me in a few hours when this finishes (i died) <@...
wow, the image took a few seconds to load
my internet is garbage
craggy ermine
IMAGE INFINITY SPOILERS
remind me in a few hours when this finishes (i died) <@...
(@verbal pagoda pls say ok or no or something)
verbal pagoda
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remind me in a few hours when this finishes (i died) <@...
fine
verbal pagoda
## An alternative solution to ocean challenge #2
Still post era. (I'm not sure ...
can you summarize this into a notes to put about the bp? even though the ai should do most of what it needs
verbal pagoda
(<@734912817458577520> pls say ok or no or something)
its been a few hours
craggy ermine
its been a few hours
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yeah i know
thanks tho
448 already
but i need to go to sleep
i have a very important exam tomorrow that i am 99% going to fail
well, i have 2
twilit willow
can you summarize this into a notes to put about the bp? even though the ai shou...
- Energy Flow and Low Tide are not required.
- Wait for AI to upgrade Granite Foundation, after that you upgrade manually.
hazy crag
you doing clicks?
twilit willow
how else would you upgrade modules with ai
hazy crag
no other way
verbal pagoda
- Energy Flow and Low Tide are not required.
- Wait for AI to upgrade Granite Fo...
upgrade what manually?
hazy crag
the rest of your modules
twilit willow
the only things you should be upgrading are shells, granite and auras.
verbal pagoda
i might look into using something on other challenges
hazy crag
aa in the module?
twilit willow
yes
verbal pagoda
disclaimer: i may or may not be too lazy to look into using something for challenges
twilit willow
well, it might help with level 0 challenges if they rely on wince
verbal pagoda
I'm pretty sure all of them but c2-1 do
i think one of the reasons for bulwark on all the others is to get the initial start needed
though,i haven't looked since they got rebalanced
craggy ermine
well i've got it
finally
100b
i gtg to school, i'll look into the challenges when i come back
twilit willow
okay well I looked at c5-3, and Something can replace Bulwark; still needs Division Shield I think
craggy ermine
div shield might as well be called post era
twilit willow
unless...
craggy ermine
ocean gift?
twilit willow
nah, I'm not adding c10-6
craggy ermine
why
twilit willow
there's a limitation of 4 defensive modules
twilit willow
_unless..._
okay so I'm trying to remove Division Shield, doesn't seem to be successful... might need to turn off software just so I get more enemies -> more XP
twilit willow
well it is possible, but HP fluctuates a lot
oh and should I say it still requires wince?
technically it doesn't because Something is in there but without wince it'll take way too long
verbal pagoda
div shield might as well be called post era
it's basically the last pre era module I'll add
verbal pagoda
_technically it doesn't because Something is in there but without wince it'll ta...
it would take less time to figure out how to get wince than it would to win with only something?
twilit willow
probably? cooldown on something is 3:18
twilit willow
okay, I made an AI for this, time to test it
and I messed up the software toggle part of it
oh wait there's desert gift which conveniently has all 3 elements that are in c5-3
that should help
sure, that adds c2-6 as a requirement (I think; not sure if we can just ignore all resistance modules) but still
twilit willow
why does this exist
hazy crag
to make it harder?
twilit willow
all it does for me is block reflect, heartstopper aura and shield of fire
and I think I would've used one of them
twilit willow
oh wait there's desert gift which conveniently has all 3 elements that are in c5...
actually, I think I'll keep elemental resistance
twilit willow
Here's a solution for c5-3. Again, using Something.
Technically pre-era, but W.I.N.C.E. is pretty much required, otherwise it will take way too much time to complete.
AI will do all the upgrades, just don't close the modules tab or open the settings menu.
verbal pagoda
yay we killed a post era
verbal pagoda
Here's a solution for c5-3. Again, using Something.
_Technically pre-era, but W....
there, this and c10-2 are in the github now
craggy ermine
welp
i have just a few exams left, i'll help here when i finish them
just don't rework all the challenges fireball
twilit willow
~~just don't rework all the challenges fireball~~
I mean I wasn't planning to but okay
still barn
life
twilit willow
so I managed to beat c8-5 without wince/division shield but there's a problem...
c15-5 uses a module from c8-5, but my solution for c8-5 uses the module from c15-5, so it becomes a loop
twilit willow
wait why doesn't c15-5 solution use stuns? (bash/sparks)
twilit willow
also: relay is an era module, why is it in c15-5
verbal pagoda
so I managed to beat c8-5 without wince/division shield but there's a problem......
well you'd better figure out c15-5 without battery then if you want it
twilit willow
c15-5
XVFBTsQwDPzKqncicdgLuXLgD4iDm7iN1WwS2U5hhfg7YUvahUvkGY/l8eRzGGPFwpRUhqfT6+Aezw/n0wuwtxLaK4YcWlAFtxgpiL6DS41KErJ2Ysw1HdoNmRIyJvqwokiJjAtACb0ZIcZ/yhkIOkWXglqlQ4ZCfiJG65i0DQs5KyWCBDNxlt2CR9Dw3lxZyTWadsCKopTmbTBhVYb4fJntWFl2wio0fzvqvu7X/AHgV2iW/Z0yHBkBL/YnFxOrW652pulYdAM10YosLarK8HvArTFlxl57FGTdJAGBVTSXgrwxNYUcr1vtAroFecztu4a3r28=
- Battery Foundation
- Energy
- Relay (making it pre-era)
- Bash
- Sparks
- Unholy Aura
- Checkerboard Aura
verbal pagoda
c15-5
```XVFBTsQwDPzKqncicdgLuXLgD4iDm7iN1WwS2U5hhfg7YUvahUvkGY/l8eRzGGPFwpRUhq...
i think it was just a general bp that i copied over and over, i forgot to remove some post era modules from it so they might be in a few, hopefully they dont need relay though
verbal pagoda
c15-5
```XVFBTsQwDPzKqncicdgLuXLgD4iDm7iN1WwS2U5hhfg7YUvahUvkGY/l8eRzGGPFwpRUhq...
is the challenge really that easy? i guess neutral gift helps
twilit willow
c8-5
Dependencies: 5-4, 10-6, 15-5. (I checked, none of them have battery foundation.)
Wait for AI to upgrade Granite Foundation, then upgrade Energy/Energy Regen to about 100, upgrade Granite/shells about 75 times, then return to Energy/Energy Regen - upgrade them to lv300, after that come back and start maxing out Granite/shells -> Ocean Gift/resistances -> exchanges.
twilit willow
is the challenge really that easy? i guess neutral gift helps
no, the best module is soul harvesting I think
verbal pagoda
thats probably why you put the stuns on then
are either of them faster than the old one or is it the same speed just without harder to get modules?
twilit willow
c15-5 is the same, just without battery
c8-5 is probably faster
verbal pagoda
any instructions for wave streaming like the old one?
twilit willow
ai auto sets software
verbal pagoda
edits made
craggy ermine
c15-5
```XVFBTsQwDPzKqncicdgLuXLgD4iDm7iN1WwS2U5hhfg7YUvahUvkGY/l8eRzGGPFwpRUhq...
wait why is checkerboard aura allowed? i mean, power plant is recommended to be the first floor 2, therefore, you get checkerboard at mt8
it isn't technically post era, but i mean...
twilit willow
the main question is is it required?
craggy ermine
i assumed it is if you used it
twilit willow
I haven't ran enough tests, I think
it might be possible that you don't need it but every try is like 20 minutes so...
craggy ermine
looks at c7-4...
only 20 minutes?
twilit willow
we don't talk about c7-4
craggy ermine
but have you seriously not yet found a solution for it
twilit willow
I haven't bothered to do so
craggy ermine
well of course, you don't need gaia's protection ig
twilit willow
I really don't
when was it useful?
craggy ermine
heheheheheh kps go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr
craggy ermine
I really don't
when was it useful?
never
twilit willow
heheheheheh kps go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr
is it my c8-5 solution
craggy ermine
~~is it my c8-5 solution~~
no, my new c3-4 solution
i'm trying to make it more accesible
although still post era because holy fuck
enemy health and damage is squared 💀
verbal pagoda
what are you doing to it?
twilit willow
might just do c15-5 strategy if you can put enough modules
craggy ermine
what are you doing to it?
i removed a few modules, and wince
this might not work because idk if bosses spawn or not
it's just heartstopper + combustion
i do want to make a solution that would work for pre-era on non-hardmode
twilit willow
we zooming xd
craggy ermine
and what the fuck happened here
twilit willow
idk
verbal pagoda
oh thats why you dont use attacks in this one
twilit willow
36 -> 4
craggy ermine
oh thats why you dont use attacks in this one
also maybe because health is fucking squared
take down e28 health people with T4 modules
pre-era too
verbal pagoda
no
craggy ermine
10 minutes in, wave 120
mine is clearly superior
twilit willow
well you have accel on
craggy ermine
oh are you not doing c3-4?
twilit willow
no, I'm doing c15-5 to see if I can remove checkerboard aura
craggy ermine
this is why you use wince
damn it
np now neutral response void the last boss
oh bruh
i am short 1 module space
of course you would
twilit willow
energy recycling? or do you not have enough space for it?
craggy ermine
i would also need energy regen
oh and i need to kill him the same frame i turn him neutral else i get killed
twilit willow
probably not happening, I think
verbal pagoda
as long as c15-5 doesnt use mjolnir or whatever module is in c3-4
twilit willow
c3-4 gives wave accel
verbal pagoda
right
twilit willow
why does this take so long
craggy ermine
it would
but do you want to spam an active with like 3 module space and 5000 energy?
verbal pagoda
my c3-4 strat is making a shield of neutral enemies apparently
twilit willow
but do you want to spam an active with like 3 module space and 5000 energy?
is there really no room for that?
verbal pagoda
but do you want to spam an active with like 3 module space and 5000 energy?
uhh, yes
craggy ermine
but something makes bp quicker tho
yeah nah i'd say don't use it
now i remember why, because water
tho maybe combustion ig
twilit willow
it's also fire
craggy ermine
the thing is
ik
combustion is good for heartstopper because water enemies die first
verbal pagoda
i dont think im going to be surviving e30 damage
craggy ermine
and are the ones to trigger combustion
craggy ermine
i dont think im going to be surviving e30 damage
that's why it's post era
verbal pagoda
it did what it was supposed to do at least
craggy ermine
real c7-4 v2?
twilit willow
please no
craggy ermine
can someone give link to external editor i'm too lazy to get into my old computer to look at it
twilit willow
twilit willow
okay, I am able to beat c15-5 without using checkerboard
c15-5
XZBBTsQwDEWvMuqeSCxmQ7YsuANi4SZuYzWTRLZTGCHuTpiSdmAT5X1/y9/+HMZYsTAlleHp9Dq4x/PD+fQC7K2E9oohhxZUwS1GCqLvcKlRSULWLoy5psO7kSkhY6IPK4qUyLgAlNCbEWL855yBoEt0KahVOjIU8hMxWsekrVnIWSkRJJiJs+wRPIKG95bKSq7RtAVWFKU0b40JqzLE58tsx8qyC1ah5dup57of8wfAr9Ai+ztnOG4EvNifu5hY3XK1M03HoBvURCuytFNVht8FboUpM/a/R0HWzRIQWEVzKcibUlPI8Tq8fX0D
- Checkerboard Aura
okay, time to get some rest, it's 2 am here
craggy ermine
t!math x = 100/ 3.5
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lunaa.620
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twilit willow
bruh
craggy ermine
apparently i need to wait 29 seconds for an enemy to die yay
well
one that then triggers combustion and kills everyone else
why does d0s editor do this
it's already a fucking vector, why does it do vec2(0.0, 0.0)
second 3 wave 27 :p
i just realized i had 17 modules
i could fit in something too
sorry lol
what
not something
energy regen
i smart
minute 5 wave 303
this beats wince by a little
@verbal pagoda c3-4, now doesn't have wince
Description:
Post-Era
All era modules, including division shield, can most likely be removed for non-hard mode, tho some town resistances might be required, don't use something, use ai instead.
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this is also way quicker than wince too
verbal pagoda
what is even the point of removing wince
craggy ermine
what is even the point of removing wince
because people seem to not be able to get wince until mt1
lol imagine
mt15*
verbal pagoda
what are the dependencies
craggy ermine
what is even the point of removing wince
let me:
it's a really quick solution
for non-hardmode, you can easily survive with just a little town res, if any, just by taking out post-era modules, making it accessible for new players
@verbal pagoda are you gonna edit it or should i make the pull request?
just saw it
ty
and @verbal pagoda sorry to be so picky but, if you don't mind, could you do Made by: Lunaa.620 like in the other ones?
to avoid confusion-
of course if you can
i might have another one pre-era too
i'm like 1/4th on it and have only taken 7e6 damage
i have 814 health
8e14*
nvm
i might need univ shield for this
craggy ermine
this is a problem
i can survive, but i need neutral response, which makes me have to use universal shield
if i didn't have to, i could get the /100 i need
it's so funny to know i am 1 module away from making a challenge pre-era
craggy ermine
hmmmmm
i seem to not require univ shield at x1
tho it might be because it's the same strategy on a different challenge
(i still get hit at x2 and x3 by non-neutral so idk about this)
do wizards have the same range as archers?
edit: yeah this didn't work at all
craggy ermine
@verbal pagoda c2-6 no WINCE pre-era edition
Description:
This one is a little RNG based, but the ai should do everything, turn it on before entering tower testing, turn on auto restart and let it run for a few minutes, then exit and see if it has successfully completed the challenge
Daigoparry can probably be used instead of Power of the Cat, making the blueprint less RNG based, however, this hasn't been tested
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Dependencies:
c2-2 Energy Flow
c9-6 Beach Gift
c15-4 Captain's Reflect
If anyone wants to know, the ai will:
-
Turn on wave streaming until wave 35 (to speed up the process)
-
From waves 0-35 it is spamming
Firestormwith wave streaming enabled -
At wave 36, wave streaming will be disabled due to Light enemies (specifically Wizards) taking more than one Firestorm to die, running through PotC and killing the tower almost instantly if left on for another wave
-
From waves 36-46 it is spamming
Firestormwith wave streaming disabled -
At wave 46 the RNG comes into place, we need to survive one more round with Univ. Shield + PotC, this is extremely hard due to Light Wizards taking now 3 Firestorms to die
(if many of them spawn, you're dead) -
At wave 47 it will instantly turn wave streaming back on and trigger
Captain's Reflect -
If it doesn't die in the first second of Captain's Reflect being active (very rare for it to die, but has happened), it will get the blueprint to wave 50, where
Neutral Response + Voidis instantly used to finish off the challenge
let me check if c2-2, c9-6 or c15-4 use Desert Gift
okay they don't
verbal pagoda
<@734912817458577520> c2-6 no WINCE pre-era edition
Description:
This one is a ...
wow its actually been done
craggy ermine
wow its actually been done
yeap! it took me a couple of hours because i was testing some different stuff
i tried using something at the end but enemies wouldn't get close enough before i died (since they get closer to the tower on the last wave)
then i had the solution for like an hour straight but i kept forgetting things in the ai 🙃
craggy ermine
@verbal pagoda can you add it or should i make a pull request?
verbal pagoda
but i like the simplicity of the wince version :(
craggy ermine
but i like the simplicity of the wince version :(
new players probably don't though
jaunty venture
make 2 bps
craggy ermine
but i like the simplicity of the wince version :(
also this took me a while pls add
verbal pagoda
what is the time compared to the wince one?
craggy ermine
what is the time compared to the wince one?
i don't know
it's kinda quick, but it is RNG based
the module is used in like a lot of challenges why would you make this wince-locked
i need to go to sleep
it is almost 5am already
verbal pagoda
wince is basically my second favorite module
craggy ermine
wince is basically my second favorite module
i can tell
you can also listen to bluecat and post both solutions
craggy ermine
@verbal pagoda Fucking hell i can't believe i forgot this module.
apparently, cooling cell exists
i made c2-6 practically RNG-less (there's like a 0.01% it dies)
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dependencies: c2-2, c15-4
changes are that now it does Captain's Reflect at wave 45, cooling cell + captain's at wave 48 and finally NRV at wave 50
it completes the 50 waves in 1 minute and 51 seconds game-time (37s at x3, 55.5s at x2)
craggy ermine
<@734912817458577520> c2-6 no WINCE pre-era edition
Description:
This one is a ...
btw if you wanna know, i did 1000 runs with the RNG version, and out of those 1000, "a little RNG based" seems to mean 3.6% success rate 💀
twilit willow
just a little
craggy ermine
_just a little_
it was about to be 3.4% but it won in attempts 1 and 999 lmao
craggy ermine
<@734912817458577520> Fucking hell i can't believe i forgot this module.
apparen...
btw, just so i can link this message if anyone asks this one might die wave 50 because i think i am cutting it too close with the wait(2.0 / time.scale()), if it dies wave 50 do 2.5 / time.scale()
craggy ermine
uhmmmm
@twilit willow why is your c15-5 solution post era
i had to check this 20 fucking times because i thought you knew modules better than me, but apparently you don't
fucking frost splash
okay does this sound too mean?
twilit willow
yay, more testing
smoky crystalBOT
captainzero has been warned
latent tinsel
oof
twilit willow
what's the issue?
latent tinsel
just trying to post the link to the github so people dont scroll up for an hour
twilit willow
...we have pins
latent tinsel
twilit willow
yay, more testing
hopefully that module doesn't matter
of course, I will only be testing it after the speedrun
craggy ermine
_hopefully that module doesn't matter_
of course, I will only be testing it afte...
well hasn't your speedrun finished a few hours ago now? GET BACK TO WORK!
twilit willow
I refuse.
floral gate
i shall summon lightning. Bumps learned the hard way not to mess with the lightning
so go back to work
twilit willow
I said I refuse.
twilit willow
maybe removing steini was a good idea...
guess what? removing steini decreased the completion time by like 70%
c15-5 v3
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Still done without accel.
- Frost Splash (actually making it pre-era)
- Steini's Chained Ball (yay, no more overkilling! and higher attack speed!)
craggy ermine
_I said I refuse._
I said I refuse.
does it anyway
twilit willow
yes
sinful widget
c14-5 is doable with some energy modules and earthquake
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modules, just start by upgrading the defensives a bunch and then keep spamming the actives
jaunty venture
c14-5 is doable with some energy modules and earthquake
in hardmode right?
couldn't seem to beat it
sinful widget
yeah hardmode
the module blueprint is really unoptimized, space for a bunch of damage so it goes quicker, especially since towards the end it stops 1shotting the enemies
hazy crag
couldn't seem to beat it
how far did it get you?
hazy crag
isn't the goal far above that?
jaunty venture
240 hard
sinful widget
ill do an attempt in vc while streaming*
hope i can repeat my success i had
yeah seems to be doing fine, dont actually know if daigoparry or glacier spike and gigantic vines are needed (probably if you wanna avoid dying to chip damage) but i havent tried without them and im 2 lazy to
hazy crag
send a ss of completion screen?
sinful widget
hazy crag
oki, what software you've got turned off?
sinful widget
i didnt have software on
hazy crag
so all off?
sinful widget
looks like this but none of these work without wave streaming right?
twilit willow
just turn off wave streaming and nothing else after it matters
hazy crag
{
"blueprints": [
"c145hardpreeracool;
energy.regeneration;
energy.basic;
bonus.defensive;
crate.rex;
gift.heaven;
spell.response.neutral;
energy.flow;
spell.void;
spell.glacier.spikes;
exchange.neutral;
foundation.granite;
foundation.marble;
harmonizer.bluecat;
defense.daigoparry;
spell.toxicivy;
spell.earthquake;
spell.vines.gigantic"
]
}
Gems cannot be used to upgrade modules
XP drop rate is x125 higher
Tier of Utility modules is ignored for this challenge
it doesn't even look like you're using ivy?
you're also doing this by hand?
sinful widget
yeah ivy isnt necessary
idk feel like its sometimes useful against bosses that live for some time but its probably still useless
and yeah im to stupid to make an ai so im just clicking
but i think an ai to click everything on cd probably works so
twilit willow
most easy modes are completable with shield+barrier
craggy ermine
yeah just get trading post boost to shield
modern elk
Yeah I tried that but I got stuck at 1-5
twilit willow
you don't have to complete them in order
verbal pagoda
Yeah I tried that but I got stuck at 1-5
honestlythe normal mode one would just be cheating with the hard mode bp because cheating is fun
modern elk
@verbal pagoda so I'll have to wait till hardmode
verbal pagoda
or just use the hardmode bp now?
modern elk
I have currently not unlocked hardmode😭
twilit willow
doesn't matter
verbal pagoda
so use the hardmode bp on normal mode, it will work, the only things hardmode does is increase the wave goal and remove town stats
verbal pagoda
<@734912817458577520> ohhhhh thanks I'll try as soon as I unluck it
???? you don't need to unlock anything to use the bp other than the modules in it
twilit willow
bp is blueprint
a thing in workshop
modern elk
Ohh a thought it was Battle point or something that got unlocked at hardmode 😂
paper pelican
Anyone happen to have a BP for 15-5? Ive got all of the modules but just end up dieng
jaunty venture
Anyone happen to have a BP for 15-5? Ive got all of the modules but just end up ...
pinned
make sure you take off wave accel
paper pelican
Still didnt work on normal with wave accel off, Honestly I just threw wince on the bp and it worked
verbal pagoda
well, you might have needed to remove your damage stats to not overkill the enemies
paper pelican
Also tried removing all +damage as well lol, idk what was going on with it
I can set it up again with both conditions and send what happens, died early wave from being overtaken by enemies
twilit willow
I can set it up again with both conditions and send what happens, died early wav...
the challenge's rule is that we cannot overkill enemies, otherwise they won't take damage
so turn down your town damage bonuses in town stats (don't forget to turn them back on; easiest way to do that is by exiting and re-entering the save)
twilit willow
c15-5 v3
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@verbal pagoda did you actually forget to put it on the github?
verbal pagoda
<@734912817458577520> did you actually forget to put it on the github?
maybe
twilit willow
Is this mult. to self or no?
kind hull
easy to test
twilit willow
Okay, seems to be mult. to self. That's... gonna be annoying.
twilit willow
No, no I'm not.
craggy ermine
~~No, no I'm not~~.
suure
seriously though, good luck
i might try redoing later honestly
twilit willow
No Era modules.
twilit willow
Thanks, I guess.
And I can remove 4 modules from here.
craggy ermine
t!math 1E+15 * 2^9
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twilit willow
~~And I can remove 4 modules from here~~.
Sorry, I meant 5.
craggy ermine
No Era modules.
you didn't say anything about immortality!
hm, right
firestorm + univ shield?
i was too dumb to test that when the challenge came out
twilit willow
Why Firestorm?
craggy ermine
oh right there's universal
craggy ermine
Why Firestorm?
you're clearly exploiting the fact that they can't hit you
you have 1 health and wave streaming on
it was my first thought until i saw it had universal (element)
twilit willow
Well, yes, there is Universal Shield. (That was kinda obvious.)
craggy ermine
Well, yes, there is Universal Shield. _(That was kinda obvious.)_
isn't obvious at all, a lot of modules could fit in there
POTC could possibly hold stuff for a while, maybe you just got hit every once in a while so you didn't need univ shield
regardless, why do i feel this is an ES build
twilit willow
Here's a question: do I just remove your solution entirely?
craggy ermine
ofc how could i be so stupid
Death wish, Fracture
Energy Sphere
Energy energy regen recharge
univ shield
craggy ermine
~~_Here's a question: do I just remove your solution entirely?_~~
why do you ask if you're going to anyway
twilit willow
ofc how could i be so stupid
Death wish, Fracture
Energy Sphere
Energy energy r...
Fracture wouldn't be at 100% uptime at T4 without CD reduction.
craggy ermine
Fracture wouldn't be at 100% uptime at T4 without CD reduction.
so you've already tried
twilit willow
No, I just know.
craggy ermine
~~_Here's a question: do I just remove your solution entirely?_~~
anyway, in the theoretical case you are using ES, yoshi told me he wanted to keep the original solutions in case the ES ones get patched a while ago (reason why there's 2 c4-6 solutions)
@verbal pagoda
twilit willow
It's not ES.
craggy ermine
then it's some reflect shit, so same scenario
anyway congrats (because i don't think i am being grateful enough)
idrk why you want to keep this a secret though
verbal pagoda
just send the bp
twilit willow
I made a PR.
twilit willow
It's a feature.
craggy ermine
_It's a feature._
ask matt if your ES and reflect immortalities are features then
twilit willow
For Reflect, look at C15-2.
craggy ermine
For Reflect, look at C15-2.
that's supposed to be a one challenge thing
(because it clearly doesn't work for c1-6 and so many others)
seriously though it's like devs wanted it to work for c1-6
anyway, if this is a feature might as well use this "feature" for all challenges
twilit willow
Yeah, why not?
craggy ermine
yeah
i also say it's an exploit while using it for c2-6 in the form of Captain's Reflect
welp, c3-5 has never been easier
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same with c3-6, except you need to turn off accel
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@verbal pagoda i cleared 2 post eras
are you proud of me?
only sad thing is that c3-4 doesn't work because too much difference between health and damage
maybe neutral gift and ES
c3-4, lol
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Sure, we can do this for some of the earlier challenges. But what about later ones?
craggy ermine
_Sure, we can do this for some of the earlier challenges. But what about later o...
I would consider post-era challenges to not be "early" but ok
twilit willow
That's not what I meant when I said "earlier".
craggy ermine
That's not what I meant when I said "earlier".
i know