Kala rework?

[fierce beacon]

Kala has been a problem since her debut. Making stacking wayyyy more harder to counter. So I(we) came up with a solution! Arppegio should be a cycle of 3 effects depending on what type and number of arppegio you use.

Green

1. 40 Hp heal
2. More accuracy (40%)
3. Steel bullets (12%)

Red

1. Less accuracy (30%)
2. Poison (3 hp per poison tick)
3. Rubber bullets (12%)

Blue

1. Bombbelt (2 bombs)
2. Karratov (lvl1)
3. Ca-turret (lvl1)

Purple

1. Nuke
2. Lava
3. Titan(could change)

Pink

1. Mirror
2. Counter
3. SDD (could change)

Yellow

1. Akimbo
2. Akimbo
3. Akimbo

For pink and yellow and some extend purple we don't have alot of cards of these types to give a goodie effect when chaining arppegios. But for green, red and blue it could have some good effects. Now that it's not a single type of effect it's gonna be less of a pain to get stacked by Kalas.

For 2s and 3s the chain will be shared by the team meaning that if one of you uses a Red arppegio the next person will get a poison appon using a red arppegio

[true sage]

yes please

[open palm]

Eeehhh, not sure about just slapping rng to it

You could still get 2x rubber from 2 arrpegios no?

By being lucky

[native kiln]

idea is great but the reason of red arpeggio is to min/max on debuff, it would be quite weird if red arpeggio would be gamble and other colors not, and if red apreggio is gamble then i think debuffs of red apreggio should be bit stronger since you have very low chance to stack certain debuff. Changing the red system wont kill margarita but it will definitely make her weaker.

then should all arpeggios be gamble?

[open palm]

Also poison being in the pool is terrible

If againtst Siaro you can get fucked up by rng and just heal him

[native kiln]

its joever then

[open palm]

Slapping rng to make op things "rarer" is not a solution

[native kiln]

its a way to solve stacking tho

[open palm]

Not if its just rng

You can get lucky and stack

[native kiln]

50/50 could be fun

[open palm]

50/50 what

[native kiln]

gmable between debuffs

[open palm]

Not really, i think it will just be frustrating for both

[native kiln]

true

[open palm]

To you its frustrating you didnt get what you wanyed and had no say about it. To enemy its frustrating cus they got fucked up by rng and still staked

[native kiln]

marge is just in the spot where shes too op or too weak

[open palm]

When is she weak?

[native kiln]

nerf slightly and prolly the weakest

then the payoff of red and stacking could be meaningless since dedicating whole deck for just low payoffs

[open palm]

Already nerfed from 18% to 12%

Still op

[native kiln]

yeah

right when i started playing her then she got nerfed

[native kiln]

lowering from 12% could damage greatly

2% max nerf or else it could mean rise of other colors

we havent seen much of other arpeggios maybe change those to bigger payoff?

[open palm]

Pink is fine, purple is very powerful, akimbi is the only card that yellow arrpegio can have

The only colours that could change are green and blue

[native kiln]

spending 3 weapons for akmibo tho

[open palm]

I know but its the only option to have no?

[native kiln]

ig

you cant rly change the system and only weapon buff is akimbo in yellow

[native kiln]

i was thinking on speed up or stronger bullets in green

[fierce beacon]

Something else then rubber would be a dream come tru

[native kiln]

health down?

xd

[fierce beacon]

Start with 1 hp

Rng could be goodie for Arppegio rlly

[fierce beacon]

Not making it as stackable as it used to be and fits more with her passive description

[native kiln]

then what about other arpeggios

[fierce beacon]

Change it by time. The problem with Kala rn is red(and at the extent purple)

[native kiln]

but having only 1 arpeggio for gamble is weird?

[fierce beacon]

Could make others that in time. Fixing the problem is what should come first

[open palm]

Ok not stacking is nice but rng always sucks for everyone

[fierce beacon]

Got any ideas? There are not alot of ways to help against stack except for some luck sprinkled in

[native kiln]

instead of trying to fix red we should try to improve other arpeggios?

[open palm]

@fierce beacon wjat about making arroegio go in order

So each round first red arrpegio is something weaker and second one is something stronger

[open palm]

Nooo

Were trying to balance red Marge, thats the problem red Marge is op

[native kiln]

crescendo?

[open palm]

Yeah like first one is less acco next one is rubber

But dunno

[native kiln]

that means youre like good in 1 round and useless in rest of rounds

since you have to save

[open palm]

Its a playstyle

[native kiln]

its playable yes but youre weak sided

[open palm]

A good change to being op

If its still decent it ok

[open palm]

Imo there could be lots of ideas, but just slappign rng to stuff is unhealthy for the game

[native kiln]

should it be 1 round only or permanent scaling?

like the power scaling of arpeggio

[open palm]

That could be an ideo too

[native kiln]

then that could be playable in my eyes

unsatisfying early but payoffs in lategame

i would be a fan of permanent scaling

[fierce beacon]

Order.......oooooh

The problem is in maybe 2s and in 3s you are probs gonna see the end of the scale no probs

[native kiln]

3 is good number cuz arpeggio

[fierce beacon]

Green Could be
•40 hp heal
•more accuracy (30%)
•12%steel
•pred vis (5 secs)

Blue
•bombbelt
•flash and smoke
•poison grenade

The rest would be stretching too far hehe

[native kiln]

i would put carrotov to blue

[open palm]

nooo

You made blue arrpegio even worse

[native kiln]

i think crescendo themed would be fun

[open palm]

Oh but if this is in order effects?

Then those are cool

[native kiln]

or what if 1st arpeggio is opening then following up 2. arpeggio called midplay and 3rd one is finale and reset

[fierce beacon]

I was going off your suggestion of orders hehe

[open palm]

Ehh id take flash out

[fierce beacon]

Maybe dice? Or turrets......uhhh

[open palm]

The order couls be reset

[fierce beacon]

Hmmmmm

Yeye

So @open palm so chain for arppegio, this better then rng?

[open palm]

Muuuuch better

[fierce beacon]

The order of reds....wanna change it?

[open palm]

Rng always sucks

[native kiln]

hater of gambling

[open palm]

Maybe take out pixel

Less acco, rubber and somethign else

Could be good chain

Lets put 3 cards there that chain and reset

[fierce beacon]

Rubber should be last imo

[open palm]

Less acco, poison and rubber

I guess having poison in arrpegio couls be good soft buff to siaro

[fierce beacon]

He needs it hehe

Well I'll rewrite another suggestions with this new goodie ideas!

[fierce beacon]

@open palm changed it. I rlly don't know about yellow, purple and pink tho

[native kiln]

i mean theres nothing to change in yellow

[fierce beacon]

Indeed

[native kiln]

unless guaranteed certain gun

[fierce beacon]

Akimbo shotty at the third cycle

[native kiln]

will rubber go back to 18% since its almost impossible to stack?

[fierce beacon]

Keep it 12 just in case

And 18 was not a goodie number to begin with

[native kiln]

accusing for rigging

jkjk

[fierce beacon]

Isss dis a scam?!

[native kiln]

i would change more accuracy to more health but thats just my personal taste

[fierce beacon]

+40 health and another health uppie?

I did more/less accuracy cuz its less stackable

[native kiln]

i mean youre not gonna get double health up in 1 round right?

haha right?

the accuracy feel bet unsatisfying since you can always aim better

[open palm]

Not really

Theres always annoying bloom when firing max firerate

and more accu takes bloom out and makes the gun spammable

[open palm]

No need to change those

[fierce beacon]

Nice

[dark mantle]

I'm a little bit eh about this way to go about nerfing her, but only because in 1's you'll never get to the bottom of these effects. I really just think the best thing for Marg would be to add some diminishing returns to how multiple copies of cards (including Marg's bonuses) stack, because it would also tackle other issues like slow reload spam

[fierce beacon]

Kala was never a goodie character for one's. I guess making a cap for thr arppegio and making the effect more goodies could help

[open palm]

Id argue Kala is ok in 1s

Decent, but not as op as in 2s

[open palm]

Why not, she would see the bottom of the effect cus its a cycle of whole game

1st arrpegio in the game, low accu, 2nd arrpegio in the game poiso 3rd bouncy

[dark mantle]

Oh per game not per round? Hm maybe then

I'd still like to see a change to how effects stack tho, Kala duo isn't the first to abuse card stacking she's just the easiest way to do it

[open palm]

Sure we can hope for stacking change but thats a drastic change for the whole game

[tawny bane]

He'll die regardless. 😎

[dark mantle]

Yeah but especially with 3v3 being a thing now it feels very needed

When all three opponents pop slow reload and one of them profanes

[open palm]

I think its more of a problem of 3v3

There needs to be less cards drawn in 3v3

But stacking change would be nice too

[dapper dawn]

It's just perfect.

[dapper dawn]

A cycle is not rng

[open palm]

Yeah, its edited for a cycle off of my suggestion

Originally posts idea was to make it pure rng pool of 3 cards in a colour

Thats why i said about" slapping rng"

[dapper dawn]

Rng is cool too but I like cycle

[open palm]

Yeah thats what i suggested instead if rng

[dapper dawn]