Card Balance Suggestions [REVISED]

[thick thicket]

I have Corona guys. 😦

[quiet sapphire]

that's irrelevant to what were tlaking about

[winter palm]

fr?

like the beer or?

[spark jungle]

Cerveza Cristal

[fervent kernel]

I knew it lol

[winter palm]

nice

[whole meteor]

cool

[winter palm]

why sad tho?

[quiet sapphire]

very interesting

[thick thicket]

Cause it's in a can

[fervent kernel]

Purple keyboaaarrddddd?

[thick thicket]

And not glass bottle.

[winter palm]

:(

[thick thicket]

Maybe

[spark jungle]

Lmao no way you actually kept cod time!

[spark jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cod-cod-time-call-of-duty-watch-gif-19881467

[winter palm]

Graslu save me

[thick thicket]

Hahaha no idea what to change it too.

[spark jungle]

What do you need

[thick thicket]

[fervent kernel]

there is purple hehe

[thick thicket]

You got me

[winter palm]

just make it make sense

[quiet sapphire]

ruki trying to flee from our balance conversation

[spark jungle]

What I'm lost

[fervent kernel]

The only time I'll ever will

[spark jungle]

I only saw cerveza here

[fervent kernel]

What do you want from invis man

[quiet sapphire]

still waiting for viable invisibility card combos fair for their cost

[quiet sapphire]

it to be fair for its cost

2 cost seem fair to me

[winter palm]

sure thing, ninja smoke and pixel vision.

[quiet sapphire]

you are missingsomething... the whole card we are talking about

[spark jungle]

So you say invis should be less cost because it's shitty but Ruki says 3 is good because it's consistent?

[quiet sapphire]

im not talking about ninja smoke even remotely

[fervent kernel]

Make it infinite lol?(insert sarcasm here)

[quiet sapphire]

strictly the FVF card game card named invisibility that is 3 cost

[spark jungle]

Didn't it use to be infinite?

[fervent kernel]

Ye

[quiet sapphire]

yes

[fervent kernel]

And I loved it

[spark jungle]

Good times

People hiding in subway

[fervent kernel]

Bomb 150dmg times

[fervent kernel]

Ppl surviving rooftop fall with painkilelrs

[quiet sapphire]

it enabled infinite campling

[winter palm]

well kinda? if you have more invis cards its consisntant, im saying at a point it needs to be an investment in your deck, not just a bunch of 1 and 2 costing cards making free for you to have every 3-4 cost card in the deck.

[quiet sapphire]

the point is invis is not 3 cost card

it doesnt give the average 3 cost value

[winter palm]

yep and it'll cost you to run it :p

thats the point indeed

[spark jungle]

I don't think I'm qualified to add to this conversation

[quiet sapphire]

the point is it costs too much

[thick thicket]

I have Corona in my body.

[quiet sapphire]

i dont think you get how cost works in card games

[quiet sapphire]

it would cost appropriately if it was 2 cost

[fervent kernel]

As a guy that plays the game alot. Rlly not using nothing else then what's goodie. Hard to judge righty?

[thick thicket]

Do what I do.

Shitpost.

[winter palm]

uno reverse card :)

[quiet sapphire]

dont

[thick thicket]

Homie plays MTG all day long

💀

[quiet sapphire]

its annoying

[thick thicket]

That's all about cost.

[quiet sapphire]

nah havent played that in years

[spark jungle]

I just point and click idk man

[thick thicket]

Ruki plays

[winter palm]

it shows

[fervent kernel]

Same here

[spark jungle]

I would if this wasn't a channel dedicated to feedback 🤓

[quiet sapphire]

played other card games

[quiet sapphire]

thank you

[thick thicket]

It isn't.

[quiet sapphire]

it is

[spark jungle]

Invis 3 cost propaganda poster time?

[quiet sapphire]

stuff can cost you too much and stuff can cost you appropriately

[thick thicket]

What should I put on my keyboard now.

🤔

Give me a gif.

[quiet sapphire]

seems like we have to do it soon

[fervent kernel]

Hey, Sables first

[winter palm]

more cats!

[spark jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/835174611984449566/1227688558836580515/siaro.gif

[fervent kernel]

Lmaooooo

[quiet sapphire]

it shows cus you don't think profaner needs a ban

[thick thicket]

Already had that for like

5 minutes. 😦

[spark jungle]

But I said 3 cost not lower

[foggy niche]

true

[fervent kernel]

Just want it to be 50 50

[spark jungle]

You see I have to work for all sides or I'll be labelled

[quiet sapphire]

that will be a bad thing

[fervent kernel]

More chaos for the tourneyyyy hahaa

*cough cough

[quiet sapphire]

im stillll waiting for viable Invisibility card combos

[spark jungle]

Guys agree to disagree and move on 😎

[thick thicket]

Make one for more Stevie skins.

[spark jungle]

Like gentlemen

[quiet sapphire]

probably

ill have to cus they flee from conversation

[spark jungle]

They should balance the tax card because it's really destroying me 💀

[thick thicket]

They don't flee.

Just feels like you don't read what he says. 🤔

[winter palm]

they wish i'd flee

[quiet sapphire]

shitposting doesn't signify that

[thick thicket]

I'm talking about Ruki.

Not me.

[quiet sapphire]

yeah

[winter palm]

ignoring my points everytime man feelsbad

[quiet sapphire]

you are the onee

who ignores

[quiet sapphire]

you ignored my question 3 times already

ok

[winter palm]

its not a question

saying viable and invis in the same line of text is crazy

[spark jungle]

Paz y amor y el plus pal salón

[quiet sapphire]

then you get it

[thick thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-enjoying-lol-michael-jackson-gif-5256534

[winter palm]

crazy thing is its not meant to be the best card

[quiet sapphire]

its. is. not. viable. for. its. cost.

[quiet sapphire]

2 cost invis is not the best card my firend

[winter palm]

crazy concept of something not being viable ik

[quiet sapphire]

viable to be played at least to some extend with some value

[winter palm]

ok but it can be?

[spark jungle]

Can you change GIFs for your keyboard on the fly with the stream deck?

[quiet sapphire]

as 2 cost invis would be played in healthy amounts

[quiet sapphire]

rn its is played unhealthy amounts . none

[thick thicket]

Naw

Only from the phone.

[winter palm]

i see people play it in 2's, just not every game, and it should stay that way.

[quiet sapphire]

i don't see it played ever

its the same as katana my friend

its was too costly for 3 cost

now its 2 cost

people happy to play it in healthy amounts

[spark jungle]

Aw :(

[cedar compass]

So the three cards that grant invisibility/cloak are:

• Ninja Smoke (1): Drops a smoke cloud on usage, cannot shoot for the duration of the three second cloak.
• Ninja Log (2): Dodges one shot + grants a speed boost while invisible for three seconds.
• Invisible (3): Cloak for 10 seconds, shooting early breaks the invis

[cedar compass]

How long are the durations of the other two?
I wanna say 3 seconds for Ninja Log

[quiet sapphire]

please reply to this

[quiet sapphire]

and lessen shitpost pliz

[winter palm]

you think katana needs another buff? 💀

[quiet sapphire]

i dont

[spark jungle]

No he said it used to be 3 now is 2

[quiet sapphire]

i think it is the same situation as how katana was

[spark jungle]

So now some people run it

[quiet sapphire]

it was 3 = trash

its now 2 = decent

same can be applied to invis

[quiet sapphire]

yes

[winter palm]

yea and some ppl run invis, I dont understand why this is the card your so worried about jani when there are cards that have more pressing issues when it comes to how "viable" they are

[quiet sapphire]

ninja smoke and ninja log is 3 seconds without ability to shoot

[quiet sapphire]

because its is the most easy card to fix

with buffing it to cost

[quiet sapphire]

other cards are more complicated to buff in terms of how viable they are

like electric fence

electric fence trash card but very complicated to buff in a healthy way

invis trash card but easy to buff in a healthy way

buffing katana from 3 cost to 2 was a successful and healthy buff

[quiet sapphire]

same can be done to invisibility

[winter palm]

no

[quiet sapphire]

why not

[winter palm]

i said why

that point hasnt changed

[quiet sapphire]

tell me how buffing katana to 2 cost and buffing invis to 2 cost is different

[winter palm]

theres only 1 katana card

[spark jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/why-isnt-it-posssible-its-just-not-american-psycho-gif-26353597

[quiet sapphire]

how is that relevent

[winter palm]

something called limiting consistency and putting a cost behind it, a give and take if you will..

[quiet sapphire]

the fact the other invisibility cards exist doesn't have to do with invisibility card at all

[quiet sapphire]

so what

there only one "invisibility" named card too

[quiet sapphire]

consistency to do what?

[winter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[quiet sapphire]

answer me please

[quiet sapphire]

^

[winter palm]

your asking me to repeat myself

this is bait

[quiet sapphire]

im asking you to explain yourself thoroughly

[winter palm]

so you can be like no it's not and say its not the same, and we just loop.

[quiet sapphire]

i havent said no its not at all

[quiet sapphire]

you are the one who said simply no

iv explained my points

[winter palm]

you just said they're not the same card when they literally are, invis has the stronger effect hence it being more expensive.

[quiet sapphire]

you are saying invisibility has stronger effect than katana?

[winter palm]

than ninja cards

[quiet sapphire]

im not talkin about ninja cards

[winter palm]

ok?

i am

your going off topic with the katana

[quiet sapphire]

why do you talk about ninja cards

[quiet sapphire]

it was an example of a balance change that can be similar to invis

[winter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-gif-14644179322656527010

you cant be fr

[quiet sapphire]

you are derailing the topic from invisibility card to ninja cards

ninja cards are fine

[winter palm]

they're all invis

nothing derailing

wat

[thick thicket]

Do you need reading glasses @quiet sapphire

Cause wtf

[quiet sapphire]

im talking strictly about this card

[quiet sapphire]

why you say that

[thick thicket]

Ask @winter palm

Not exactly my debate.

[quiet sapphire]

buffing this card doesnt affect ninja cards at all

cards that turn invisible isn't an archetype

they don't combo or affect eatch other at all

i dont want to buff ninja cards at all

[quiet sapphire]

i only want to buff this card

[rain canyon]

I mean, you don't HAVE to. Painkillers does just fine without healing. Mommy of the Cakes uses it very well without healing

Although it doesn't seem quite worth it at 3 cost

[quiet sapphire]

i agree

so i suggest either making it 2 cost or making it dmg till 1hp

whatever woudl make it worth its cost

[winter palm]

it gets around things tinman cant, but i understand the argument for it being cheaper.

it also lasts longer.

[quiet sapphire]

do you understand now what i mean by this

[winter palm]

also rewards you huge if you use it when you hit like 10 hp.

[rain canyon]

yea saves you from poison and fire, lasts a bit longer, but a less forgiving activation window (active it with too much health and you still lose a ton of health from it, activate it with too little health and you're already dead because you didn't activate it in time). And problem is that you don't choose when you need to activate it, the opponent does (as they decide when to throw that yummy sticky bomb at ya)

[quiet sapphire]

yep, painkillers is 2x harder to use and time than tinman, that's why i think painkillers should be cheaper

[spark jungle]

But tinman dies to fire and poison

[quiet sapphire]

it doesnt die to poison

it has same affect agaisnt poison

poison cant finish you off

if it works same as toxic bomb poison dmg

[spark jungle]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I gueeeess but eh

May as well die to it

[winter palm]

i think all these effects need to be expensive

bc they're both game changing effects.

but i can see an argument for painkillers

since you die right after if no heal

[quiet sapphire]

thank you

[spark jungle]

Still super good life extension if you time it right

[winter palm]

dont mean its right, but i'll humor it.

[quiet sapphire]

ok but do you understand that cards that get invisible arent tied to eatchoer in any way in balance or gameplay perspective

they don't combo with each other so buffing or nerfing one doesnt affect the other

[rain canyon]

I do really hate that tin man is at 2 cost

[quiet sapphire]

me too

[winter palm]

you understand tho having 3 copies of invis, and high mobility cards will make closing gaps easy?

having options like that open and be able to afford punch-r, sdd, katanta, shotgun, can be problematic.

just as an example

you need give and take jani

just seems oversaturated to me if you give every invis effect a low cost.

you can buff invis sure i guess, but if that happens other cards with the same effect NEED A NERF.

if invis gets buffed to 2 log will need to be 3 or Ninja smoke needs to be 2

[quiet sapphire]

but if going by your logic, arent ninja cards just as good of gap closers as tp bomb or Parley

[quiet sapphire]

theres also tp bomb and parley

[quiet sapphire]

if invisibility will be decent all it would do is increase gap closer card variability

having all gap closers in deck isnt that good

[quiet sapphire]

i dont agree playing all gap closer cards is good

[winter palm]

tp can be shot out easily if reacted to wich can be easy if the gap is large, parley gives ample time to select your card to come out with so theres plenty of counterplay there, also the buff to making that a 1 cost was questionable, but thats a diffrent subject.

[quiet sapphire]

usually people have like around 2-3 gap close cards in their deck

[quiet sapphire]

but those are gap closer cards too

[quiet sapphire]

well im arguing ninja card and invites all can be just tracked and shot for free dmg

[quiet sapphire]

invisibility type cards arent perfect gap closers either

[winter palm]

but they're all about the same, just some are better at certain jobs than others.

also invis effects your teamate, pareley i guess would be the only other card that does that, perley should maybe be nerfed but w/e

[quiet sapphire]

i strongly disagree that parley should be nerfed

its perfect at 1 cost

[winter palm]

1 cost that counters everything

even fire

[quiet sapphire]

but do you mean then that the more gap closers in you deck the objectively better the deck?

[winter palm]

and can gap close

[quiet sapphire]

it doesnt counter fire enfironmental effects

[winter palm]

the example i gave clearly didnt have only gap closers

idk why your asking that

[quiet sapphire]

you still get dmg if you walk over fire in parley

[winter palm]

hm, card lies to me then, I never tried to so I didnt know that was true

[quiet sapphire]

its the same as nuke

[quiet sapphire]

fvf card descriptions are bad that's true

[quiet sapphire]

your example has all gap closers, invis, ninja log and ninja smoke

[winter palm]

all im really getting out of this is that nuke and parley need to be nerfed

[quiet sapphire]

to make them affected by fire, sure

[winter palm]

not affected?

[quiet sapphire]

yeah

[winter palm]

i mean that would be a buff to parley

but yea nuke needs that nerf

[quiet sapphire]

yeah to nuke yes

but parley does get dmg by fire thats fine

[winter palm]

i was refering more to costs tho

nuke doesnt need to be free.

made sense for dice

bc rng

[quiet sapphire]

nah parley is fine as 1 cost, its a temporary cease-fire for everyone that's mostly used to counter timed effects

to use parley to close a gap is niche and very mid

[winter palm]

i did suggest a different free card before dice was introduced, called biscuit that healed for 20

[quiet sapphire]

because you both have same moving speed when in parley

[rain canyon]

I'd disagree

[winter palm]

you're even the one who suggested it as a gapcloser.

[rain canyon]

I'd say Parley is mainly for countering oneshots like bombs, closing gaps, and countering short timed effects like tin man and mindblow

[quiet sapphire]

id the put closing gap in the least used purpose of parley

[quiet sapphire]

it can work as gap closer but its not a really good one

[winter palm]

no way

[rain canyon]

Why? 7 seconds (I think) of opponent not shooting you is plenty of time to close the gap

[quiet sapphire]

opponent can keep waling in to the side or opposide direction

you both will still have same speed

[winter palm]

maps are not just an endless tunnel that you can maintain a gap with

[rain canyon]

on a couple maps it can be slightly problematic but on the majority it works great

[quiet sapphire]

iv kept my distance on some maps against early parley with better pathing

[quiet sapphire]

yeah

[winter palm]

so jani agrees

[rain canyon]

So with better pathing you can also catch up to people during parley

[quiet sapphire]

I agree that on some maps you can keep your distance with better pathing against it

[winter palm]

their pathing can be just as good to cut you off, still depending on map to be clear

[quiet sapphire]

yeah because its depending on the map to close gaps i see close gapping being niche for parley

[winter palm]

well i say that bc sometimes they're garenteed to cut you off, like on rooftop

[quiet sapphire]

its a really good gap closer if you play haru

i can agree with that

you have always speed advantage

but i also feel like closing gaps with parley is a 50/50 because enemy team can pull up shotgun too after parley to melt you

parley constricts you of shooting first and flanking to surprise shoot when closing the gap

[winter palm]

theres only really 2 maps that you need a gapcloser anyway.

[quiet sapphire]

agreed

soo having more gap-closer cards that are decent isn't that bad?

it will just add gap closing variety if we buff invis to 2 cost

[winter palm]

they can be untilized well without needing them jani, my point stands.

[quiet sapphire]

and more variety is good

[winter palm]

since they're less necessary no

you dont need every option

[quiet sapphire]

you don't, but more options to choose from is more healthy and more fun

that the point of adding more cards to the game with updates

to add card variety

[winter palm]

the options never left

they're there, and you can utilize them.

[quiet sapphire]

you will be punished to use invisible card as an option because its too costly

nobody uses invisibility card over other gap closers

everyone would always use ninja log or ninja smoke over invisibility

or tp bomb or parley

[winter palm]

but can still use all 3

[quiet sapphire]

nobody would use 3 cost invisibility over tp bomb or parley either

[winter palm]

parley needs a nerf

[thick thicket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1152339372042092585/1225251387701465138/banan.gif

[quiet sapphire]

that other can of worms for another day

[quiet sapphire]

nobody would use 3 cost invisibility over tp bomb or parley either

[winter palm]

parley needs a nerf

[quiet sapphire]

so you want to nerf parley so that using invisibility over it would be decent?

[winter palm]

yea

thats part of it

[quiet sapphire]

waht about tp bomb

[winter palm]

tp bomb is fine

2 cheap gapclosers at 1 cost, ninja smoke and tp bomb

[quiet sapphire]

yeah those are millenia better options than 3 cost invisibility

[winter palm]

and tp bomb has some counterplay, that can cancel it entirely.

and leave you in a bad spot

[quiet sapphire]

you never shoot tp bomb directly at enemy fire

[quiet sapphire]

thats a super rare scenario as a counter tactic

[winter palm]

uh.

its going twords them if its used as a gapcloser

[quiet sapphire]

towards them, not in their line of fire

[winter palm]

it makes a frog sound so they know its thrown, they can react

[quiet sapphire]

as an example you can throw tp bomb from rooftop spawn other side and start super close to enemy

enemy cant in most cases shoot tp bomb

[winter palm]

idk about most cases, that case seems very specific

[quiet sapphire]

that's the best way to tp bomb

to use it worse is skill issue not card issue

[winter palm]

ok and whats the best way to invis?

anytime?

yea anytime

[quiet sapphire]

definitely not anytime haha

[winter palm]

ok whats the one rare time you wont

[quiet sapphire]

best way to use invis is while in cover and start flanking/closing the gap whitout enemy bbeing sure where you are coming from

[quiet sapphire]

any time when you are in direct los of enemy its bad to invis

[winter palm]

so 99% of the time when you spawn.

[quiet sapphire]

yeah or in a combat after going behind a cover

otherwise they will mega easily track your blurry effect

[quiet sapphire]

and that's not rare at all. Using invisibility decently is very limiting

otherwise, its a pay 3 cost to do nothing if you use it in enemy los. They will just keep tracking and you will just lose invisibility it because you need to shoot back or you will keep losing health for nothing

[quiet sapphire]

so no, you are wrong, the best way to use invis is not anytime

returning to the topic of balancing invisibility...

@winter palm so your opinion is that if we buff invisibility we will have too many good gap closer cards in the game?

[quiet sapphire]

do i understand you correctly?

[rain canyon]

You know, I don't think I've ever played a pvp game where invisibility was not a highly debated topic. Seems to always be problematic, because full invisibility tends to be OP, and partial invisibility tends to be just as OP or completely useless depending on the eyesight and graphics of whoevers trying to spot you

[quiet sapphire]

in the case of Fvf, the invisibility affect is pathetic

[quiet sapphire]

@thick thicket iv been using DJ deck and playing long range FK

Its been performing amazingly

Now i dont think FK needs any buff

[rain canyon]

I miss using accuracy cards

But I've been enjoying fk regardless

[plush dragon]

i usually use accuracy on buckshot

ngl

[cedar compass]

Have you felt that FK with accuracy/DJ may outperform Stevie on Boira?

[quiet sapphire]

yes

just keep tapping ak and you easily outdmg

[cedar compass]

That’s what I’ve been saying pff
Everyone just mag dumps their FK

[quiet sapphire]

you know what?

ill agree with not buffing invis

it's unfortunate that it will be the worst invisible effect card but it aint that interesting either

its effect is shit, but even at 2 costs it won't do much and it ain't interesting enough card worth fighting for

Card value changes

Venom eater buff: from 4 heal per poison tic to 8 heal
Sly shooter: from 3 cost to 2 cost and applies to both teammates, back shot area widened
Present nerf: from 1 cost to 2 cost/or add more weaponless card combo packages
Invisible health buff: also hides own dmg numbers from enemy
Bear trap buff: make it pink and function like a trap category card
Nuke nerf: from 0 cost to 1 cost AND fire cant dmg while in map transition
profaner nerf: now a legendary rarity and copies only one card (can be 3 cost then) OR nerf to 5 cost
Dale buff: back shot area widened or give him silent steps extra passive
Tin man nerf: from 2 cost to 3 cost
invisible hand nerf: has a timer of 25 secs
Deep fryer: fix shooting through walls

updated list

now we only disagree on... invis health buff

which i think is the worst debuff card in the whole game

that is also timed...

[cedar compass]

I would rephrase one point here: in both the Dale buff you and Sly Shooter buff, you mention increase the the back attack area. For clarity, I would specify that Sly Shooter would have the same range as Dale's personality card

[quiet sapphire]

yeah i think they already do

[winter palm]

remove the timer

[quiet sapphire]

it would still be useless

[quiet sapphire]

it needs something more

[jolly crown]

It would counter heartless nuke combo with this one

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah, thats cool

keep its timer but add that dmg numbers are hidden

[quiet sapphire]

Or wait...

You mean it would combo with heartless?

[pale mist]

I am so, so amused. I definitely did not expect it to stay perfectly, dead even split

That categorically makes card profaner the most divisive card possible, by definition

[quiet sapphire]

I highly suspect alt accounts

It got 5 more votes to no in the end

Theres even one acco that has 01010101 in its name joined discord to just instantly vote no at last minute

[pale mist]

Hmm

I hadnt considered it namely because i feel that cheating on a poll on a community fvf tourney rule of all things sounds absolutely deranged

Thats wild

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah

[fervent kernel]

Who would be that dedicated to simply make the score tied?

[quiet sapphire]

I have couple suspects

But impossble to confirm so its useless

[fervent kernel]

So what's gonna happen?

[pale mist]

Mnil, no profile description, no pfp, joined today, immediately voted no

Yeah i see your point

[quiet sapphire]

Mhm

[quiet sapphire]

We dont know

Were reporting the results to devs

Also thinking what to do

[fervent kernel]

The devs?

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah, its partly official tourney

Tho moderated by volunteers

[pale mist]

Yeah they see all this going on. Not sure what I'd interpret bad faith poll manipulation toward even split through no as though in their shoes lol

[quiet sapphire]

I suggest making limited time poll with only participants

We will bet more confirmed players if they vant to join vote

[fervent kernel]

That'll be goodir

[quiet sapphire]

You have to make a yt vid about this crazy drama

[fervent kernel]

Lol I wish

[quiet sapphire]

FvF community perfectly split, going to war over one card "card profanrer"

Perfect clickbait

[winter palm]

perfectly balanced

[winter palm]

no drama here, only see one person making it a fuss.

[quiet sapphire]

Suspiciously so

[quiet sapphire]

That was sarcarm

[winter palm]

nope not at all, Personally i said it could go ether way idc.

[quiet sapphire]

This one is sus

[pale mist]

That individual also has 0 messages sent in the server

Didn't even say hi coming in just voted and poofed lmao

It would be laughably easy to cheat a poll like this subtly

So what baffles me is that it was blatant

[quiet sapphire]

Exactly

[winter palm]

there have been some people on the server begging for people to vote

[quiet sapphire]

Making own alternatuve accounts is wrong

[winter palm]

i didnt say alt

[quiet sapphire]

Asking actual community members to wote is fine

[winter palm]

were did you get alt from what i said?

[quiet sapphire]

Were saying that mnil looks like a blatant alt account

[quiet sapphire]

I thought you were comparing asking other peole to vote to making alt accos

[winter palm]

NO?

[quiet sapphire]

Becayse we were talking about that alt account

[winter palm]

why would i compare that

[pale mist]

I mean I can see the link. Not endorsing it, but as a "Well, I could see these people begging people to vote setting up or using existing alts"

[quiet sapphire]

Seemed weird to drop some people begged for other to vote in the middle of alt account discussion, sorry if i misunderstoof you

You also responded to nudge message about alt account

[winter palm]

im sure its happend on both sides seeing the amount of attention the post got

[quiet sapphire]

But only no side has a blatant suspicion

[winter palm]

usually posts like that get only like 30-50 votes on this server.

[pale mist]

time to click through every user in the poll to see if anyone else looks suspicious

[quiet sapphire]

This one was most adverticed vote on this server probably ever

[winter palm]

my point exactly

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah, but i hardly believe theres more than one or two alt acco votes

[pale mist]

i wish there was a better way to do this I'm concerned i'mma misclick and call some random LMAO

[winter palm]

so
fuuka
zatra
slappa

just as examples these probably arnt the only ones to just join this week and vote yes.

so yes there are newcomers from both sides to vote it would seem.

[quiet sapphire]

I litterally debated fuuka in this channel

They joined yesterday

[pale mist]

Low info, no message in server accounts on Yes side: (note this does not mean alts necessarily, but it does mean they ticked a few boxes from joining recently/during poll duration, not having a description, not having server messages, etc.)
Manny00_
RAGEJOE (2 messages)
erikson

(I'll edit this but I'll say I've already gone through and looked at fuuka and they seem def legit)

[winter palm]

i think i might have talked to fuuka yesterday in vc actually

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah

[winter palm]

you too?

so i didnt imagine that

they seem real

idk

[quiet sapphire]

No i talked with him in this channel about balance

[winter palm]

no to what?

[quiet sapphire]

They are real for sure

[winter palm]

no they arnt real?

[pale mist]

side note we have a pretty strong population of clown discord profile decals in here

[quiet sapphire]

No i Didnt talk in vc

[winter palm]

thats from april fools, discord did a thing trolling everyone

changing peoples decals to clowns

[quiet sapphire]

Fooka had like 50 messages in the server

I also 1v1 him couple times

[winter palm]

no i was just confused why you said no xd

[quiet sapphire]

I said no i didnt talk with them in vc heh

[cedar compass]

I can’t believe we had voter fraud in our Discord poll

[pale mist]

teachad an... Wait no they just changed their profile right after I checked them lol

[winter palm]

I bet jani and I could figure out who killed siaro if we put our energy into that instead of so much balance bs xd

[pale mist]

I was like "Whoa two people have like the exact same profile that's a red flag" no I was just perfect timinged

I don't know why I do this I'm not nearly neurodivergent enough to enjoy clicking through these I'm just stubborn

[quiet sapphire]

I put my care into something that can make the game better
for everyone 💅

[quiet sapphire]

Giving feedback for healthier balance

I can be persuaded by good point and logic

I met you halfway into invis change

We can leave invis be, its not that interestin or impactful

[winter palm]

we need more cards

that'll fix everything

/j

[quiet sapphire]

But profaner... havent seen or heard a single strong point defending how unhealhy it is

[winter palm]

here's one, we'll get more cards in the future that will compete for its slot in your decks.

[pale mist]

best I have for you is that profaner enables otherwise inviable, unique niche jank.

The double edged sword being that generally a card that enables jank also does better at enabling stale and boring meta play, as an almost constant rule across card games

[quiet sapphire]

Heres one, profaner will keep being used to copy stronger new cards

[winter palm]

not if its like other value cards that you cant get back with profaner.

;3

[quiet sapphire]

It always whaterver he stongest card is in the game+ extra cars

[quiet sapphire]

Yes, just copy that mega value card again

Its impossible to have a stronger card than profaner

[winter palm]

you cant, it dont work with extra cards, lottery, or any other cards that give you cards.

[quiet sapphire]

Because profaner wil always be used to copy whatever the strongest card may be and + one more card

[winter palm]

trust me there can

[quiet sapphire]

I dont believe we will have more op 'draw more cards" cards introduced

That would be bad

[pale mist]

Putting this here since the chat has moved: The yes section has three that I see as even possibly being alts, which are:
Manny00_
RAGEJOE (2 messages)
erikson

Not definitive, but definitely new-join-wallflowers at least.

bout to start combing the no section

[winter palm]

if its priced properly to balance its fine. :p

[quiet sapphire]

That would be like 6 cost

[worldly wyvern]

i dont get why and or how nerf card thief

[quiet sapphire]

For it to be appropriate

[winter palm]

your just assuming the effect here.

[fervent kernel]

And then talk about the costs for buffing/nerfing

[winter palm]

and maybe it will be 6 cost

you dont know

[worldly wyvern]

? whats wrongh w it

[quiet sapphire]

^

[winter palm]

unless the other card generates more value by say idk drawing you more cards.

[quiet sapphire]

Believe me we wont get more draw more cards cards

The game has enought of them

[winter palm]

I dont

[quiet sapphire]

The game is plagued by the pots of greed

[quiet sapphire]

Thats still to the future

Right now it is just a copy of the strongest card + 1 more

[winter palm]

again jani you dont know for sure, just wait and see.

[quiet sapphire]

Well we should talk avout how it is right now

We can have flying cows later like you expect

[winter palm]

or monkeys that breathe underwater like you expect

[pale mist]

weird trend, I'm seeing a WHOLE lot less profile description/etc from the No crowd, but I find engagement when I check messages. Not sure what that says about the types of people voting one way or the other but I think it's interesting

[quiet sapphire]

You are the one expecting a card better than profaner drawing 5 more cards by itself and not copyable by it

[winter palm]

your words not mine

[quiet sapphire]

Your words

[winter palm]

never said anything about drawing 5 cards but ok

[quiet sapphire]

We already have a card that generates 2 more, you expect even better than that

[fervent kernel]

When did this place became an endless fight of yin and yang?

[quiet sapphire]

Why would the game need another better extra cards

[quiet sapphire]

Always has been

[winter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/saw-heroine-pit-furry-gif-12782227454109204355

[fervent kernel]

God, just yield some and work it out

[winter palm]

😰

jani is mean to me

[jolly crown]

No it would counter heartless and nuke combo because the seeker can’t find the hider

[quiet sapphire]

Extra cards is already almost as unheathly as profaner

[winter palm]

I wish we could talk about cool concepts instead of saying no that'll never happen

[pale mist]

Pot of greed!

Card profaner is the equivalent of if pot of greed was a tutor

[quiet sapphire]

<-New cards suggestions are that way

[winter palm]

it was poorly disigned

[jolly crown]

No that’ll never happen

[winter palm]

i mean i did make one >_>

cough*

[quiet sapphire]

Yes, why are you pointing out we could have another extra cards that draws even more

[winter palm]

stop putting words in my mouth

[quiet sapphire]

^^

[winter palm]

cards like that wouldnt be cheap

[winter palm]

^^^^^

[quiet sapphire]

The " more draw cards"we have are already too cheap

[pale mist]

profile cards in auto light mode should be illegal

[quiet sapphire]

Lottery, reroll, extra card

All those are too cheap alresdy

[pale mist]

my eyes

[jolly crown]

All draw cards should half your hp by half with use

[quiet sapphire]

Thank you

[winter palm]

cool idea

[quiet sapphire]

That would include profaner

[winter palm]

yea and?

[quiet sapphire]

So nerf profaner to take 50 dmg on usage

[jolly crown]

*75

[winter palm]

do you think that i think draw cards shouldnt be limited?

[quiet sapphire]

So you agree with nerfing all draw cards cards

[quiet sapphire]

Im saying the by the example how devs added "more draw cards" already in the game all of them being insanely op and cost not appropriate for their insane calue , adding more would result in same

[pale mist]

Alright Greenrex's is a light theme with literally just the description flashbang and a profile banner to match
I'm being trolled lmao

[winter palm]

it would be limited by its cost if they're all really expensive, you'd be very limited on them

i want there to be intresting options for them too

such as my ideas for new ones

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah, im just sayig devs fucked up when they added draw more cards basically every time. Profaner? Copy whatever, reroll? Insane 1 cost, extra cards insane 2 cost

Devs dont know how to balance "Draw more cards" cars

So please dont add more of them

[winter palm]

dont forget these decks are small too, a deck full of draws will have you draw out and do allot of nothing if not built right.

and im not saying you cant make a really good deck im saying there will be a balance to it.

especially if its limited

[quiet sapphire]

Even if you run lottery,extra,reroll to reroll lottery garbage you wont overdraw

[quiet sapphire]

I havent blessed those with my opinions yet

[quiet sapphire]

Im not sure if you are ready for that

[quiet sapphire]

All you need is 6+3+3+3+3+3= 21 good effect cards

Then fill 4 remaining slots with any draw cards

[winter palm]

your deck nees to be exactly 25 so not really how that works.

25 cards

[quiet sapphire]

21+4=25?

[winter palm]

you're adding 3 costs, or is it something else you're saying?

one 3 cost is one card

[quiet sapphire]

Im talking about card amounts and how many cards you draw per round

[winter palm]

oh i see now

yea that wasnt clear

[quiet sapphire]

Hmm

[winter palm]

didnt know what you were counting

[quiet sapphire]

Sry for being unclear

[winter palm]

all good

and if you dont like my card ideas btw I have others cooking dw

[quiet sapphire]

So yeah the current draw " more cards" card desings suck an nobody wants more of them cus we have traumas of day one profaner and extra cards

[quiet sapphire]

Exxelent

More lambs for slauther

[winter palm]

so mean

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[quiet sapphire]

Nothing personal, all in the name of balance

[pale mist]

no:
Curro (no messages, but old user)
Pack of Newports (2 messages)
Chef_f (4 messages)
Resident_R (0 messages)
Mr. [GC] (4 messages)
Fatalisbox (11 messages, most of which are the joiner waves to greetings, and the remaining 3 are saying it was obviously pigeons that killed siaro, joined today)
Hoovy (2 messages, joined today. They did ask about monitor crosshairs, so they could just be new and interested in participating.)
V3LV3T3LVIS (Has profile/description; 'come back with a warrant', joined Apr 13 and their only message is join-waving to a join-wave. Just looks a little "I dare you to call this out as an alt" to my eye.)
Pozui1357 (3 messages, 2 different server joins, a wave and two tourney questions from on the 17th. Could just be a potential entrant.)
FortSynn (0 messages)
Mnil.2 (The OG obvious alt; 0 messages, 010010110100001 02 as pronouns, no description, no pfp, joined today)
Spritzee (0 messages, joined the 13th)
Shaman_шаман (3 messages)

Again, these aren't like definitely alts, but they're accounts that look like possible alts

[winter palm]

I get it, all good :o

[quiet sapphire]

Mr., Chef, shaman are all players i recognize

[quiet sapphire]

Mnil.2 is most suspicious cus he instantly voted after being able and he voted 2 min before closing time when yes was in lead

[winter palm]

how can we buff lazer fence??

[quiet sapphire]

2 of these that stanf out to me are Mnil.2 and Velvvelvvelv

[pale mist]

Big agree

[quiet sapphire]

And both are no voters...

[quiet sapphire]

My suggestion is scrap poles and put sticky throwables instead to connect electricity

[pale mist]

But the poles have utility

[winter palm]

oh i suppose if you can throw them like they're a sticky bomb that could work

[pale mist]

what if the poles could attach to walls as well

[quiet sapphire]

Yess

[pale mist]

That way you could use them as like, a crouch bar

clothesline the enemy

[quiet sapphire]

Rather have throwable sticky

[winter palm]

they can still be poles but the physics might look wonky

[quiet sapphire]

Poles suck

[pale mist]

Throw them like spears then?

[winter palm]

maybe

[pale mist]

LMAO oh m y god

can you imagine spear sticking someone with an electric fence pole

so that they get zapped if they're near another

[quiet sapphire]

Sure but thats a compicated complete rework, just swapping model for sticky would be easier simpler

[pale mist]

While true, that would instantly be my favourite gimmicky card in the game

[cedar compass]

Can you imagine if the Hyena was playable and she had the poles as a passive?

That would be your favorite character instantly, Nudge

You'd get to run around and put people in baby jail

[restive drum]

Hell no, try it out in the range with hipfire... the only time I hipfire it, os when I'm up close to an opponent

[quiet sapphire]

Its good to use on mediun range too

[fervent kernel]

Dumb idea: Akimbo Biteys fire dmg Cao is 40 per tick

[quiet sapphire]

i dont think Flame needs a buff

[fervent kernel]

Ye but akimbo bitey is basically useless

[quiet sapphire]

That's fine, making it useful will buff Flame and akimbo

and akimbo and Flame cards are already widely used

[fervent kernel]

[foggy niche]

Akimbo fire thrower should have like 4x ammos at least

Actually it's useless

[quiet sapphire]

thats fine

flamthrower is already good on its own

it doesnt need a buff to be viable with akimbo

not all combinations should combo well

[foggy niche]

Yeah

[quartz shadow]

Pigeons

[pale mist]

Pigeons

[quartz shadow]

Nice pfp

[rain canyon]

Pretty good accuracy for close range, and I believe it becomes dead accurate if you play an accuracy card with it

[winter palm]

thats the case for most arena shooters

[spark jungle]

FvF is not an arena shooter

[quiet sapphire]

Its a duels ability shooter

[spark jungle]

So not arena

[thick thicket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924449768707620904/1012109857320620213/image0-47.gif

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah i wouldnt say arena

And wouldnt say tactical shooter either

[winter palm]

you serious?

you're put into an arena and that's 2v2 or 1v1 and told to shoot each other

[thick thicket]

It's actually an RTS game.

[spark jungle]

That's not what an arena shooter is lol

Yes I am

FvF is far from arena

[winter palm]

sure its not Quake or Unreal

but it is an arena shooter, just not by what youre probably thinking

[spark jungle]

By definition it isn't

It lacks what makes arena shooters arena, other than small maps

CoD Rust 2v2 is not an arena game

[winter palm]

because weapons arnt on the map?

oh well

[spark jungle]

No weapon pickups, no health pickups, no true map control / point of interest / focus point, fast paced only with the right cards, no advanced movement techniques, focus on cards and not just raw skill

No random spawns

[winter palm]

all those are in your hand

but i get the spawn argument

[spark jungle]

That alone makes it not arena though

arena games have all players on an even field with the same setup, random spawns and focuses on map control and inventory management which I guess you could tie to the cards but it's still not the same

[winter palm]

fast respawns and random spawns i get.

ether case, if it isnt arena its ment to be inspired by them.

[spark jungle]

You could say that for basically any first person shooter though, since that's how they started

Almost all shooters have arena elements

Comes with the genre

In my opinion the only arena part in FvF is that you fight in small arenas

[winter palm]

idk bout that

[spark jungle]

Which one doesn't?

[winter palm]

helldivers :D

[spark jungle]

[winter palm]

you asked

[spark jungle]

Well I did say almost, and specially when talking first person multiplayer pvp ones

[winter palm]

you know arena shooters came from a pve games

doom, marathon, wolfinstine, etc

[spark jungle]

From their multiplayer counterpart

[winter palm]

ok but the core gameplay mechanics are the same

[spark jungle]

Well, yes!

So?

[winter palm]

is battlefield an arena shooter with those elements? why i say idk man

[spark jungle]

No Battlefield is not an arena shooter

[winter palm]

yea its not

sorry im almost confusing myself at this point, but yk what i mean, devs took infuence with area shooters on mind when making this game.

and they called it one in the trailer

[spark jungle]

I'm not denying that

It's just wrongly labelled as one in the trailer

It's missing too many things that makes arena games arena, it has some but it's more its own thing than arena

[winter palm]

i'll give you that

[spark jungle]

The definition itself can be confusing a lot of times and it feels like the communtiy hasn't agreed to an ultimatum of what it really is but I think it's safe to assume FvF steers away too much from the original formula to call it one

[winter palm]

fair

[spark jungle]

🤝

Now petition to make an arena mode for FvF 🙂

4 player ffa with respawns, kill or time limit, weapon and health card pickups around the map with power ups in the middle :))

[winter palm]

would be fun to have a mode away from the cardplay

have gun cards on the map or something too

have it a really big map like halo does or something haha

[spark jungle]

yeah with things like akimbo, painkillers, berserk etc as the big pickups

[quiet sapphire]

An exellent post

An exellent post agout how overkreooed balance of cards like profaner kills the game for newbies abd players who havent gotten the card from pack drops

Bad balance can easily kill a cardgame. This is why im very vocal and have strong opinions about balance in Fvf

Espessially when pfofaber allows to copy instaround winning combos again or create ones on its own by stacking

[fervent kernel]

1v1s are boring? daaaaammnn

[quiet sapphire]

Much simpler than 2v2s

[quiet sapphire]

And he said personnally, i do agree to some extent too

My harsh and serious take and prediction is that, if devs dont change and nerf "pot of greed" cards that are currently festering the game (profaner, extra cards and reroll) the game will never rise in popularity and will keep losing players at a steady rate. Bad balance kills cardgames.

[lusty geyser]

I wonder how the card aspect would work
you get cards when you respawn? you pick them up?

[quiet sapphire]

That would be a fun idea for a new mode, having to work to gain cards

[earnest violet]

I fully agree

[thick thicket]

How much is rent in here nowadays? @waxen pendant

🔪

[earnest violet]

5 bucks

[spark jungle]

Yes

[quiet sapphire]

Theres is no rent, its public area

[quiet sapphire]

New suggestions

[fervent kernel]

Venom eater 6hp rather then 8

Hehe

[quiet sapphire]

Sure

Doubling might be too steep

I was saying

Sticky nerf: dmg to 80 from 100

Reroll rework: now a legendary rarity with no levels, cost reduced to 2, doesnt give extra cards

[winter palm]

rework venom eater not reroll

[fervent kernel]

I would say keep the 3 cost

A balance between extra and reroll could be cul

[spark jungle]

Then reroll is useless if you hold it for the last card

[thick thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-23081720

[fervent kernel]

Then don't make that a situation hehe

[foggy niche]

Punsi should be buff

To start each round with better accuracy and 10 sticky bombs

[quiet sapphire]

Why?

The devs intended it to combo with toxic bomb

[quiet sapphire]

Reroll needs a rework without a doubt

The 2 extra cards from reroll should be removed

[thick thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-edit-evil-stretch-cat-capcut-gif-13735039419186973867

[quiet sapphire]

Thats why the 2 extra cards from reroll shoukd be removed

[quiet sapphire]

Cmon jakob, were talking here

[winter palm]

I mean its fine and removing the extra draw isnt really a rework

[winter palm]

because ive said before its bad disign

[quiet sapphire]

Its a rework in a sence that we remove 2 extra cards but decrease cost

[quiet sapphire]

If venom eater is, how is pyromania not?

They work the same but for different effect

One is just mega underwhelming, venom

[winter palm]

it has a timer, and yes it shouldnt have existed ether

its not as bad

[thick thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-trapped-trap-box-gif-25033616

[winter palm]

hi Jakob

[thick thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-a-box-gif-21301591

[quiet sapphire]

Good clarification

But if you want to rework venom, you must give pyro the same treatment and rework that too?

[spark jungle]

2 cars is fine

[quiet sapphire]

What do you mean?

Extra cards from reroll??

[fervent kernel]

I would say 1 extra so that if you only have reroll you get a random card but you know....."maybe that makes it op"

[quiet sapphire]

This is the point of nerfing reroll

It absolutely atrosious desing the fact that its used as a plain old extra cards

[quiet sapphire]

Reroll should be used... to reroll drawn cards

[winter palm]

true, that was the inital idea of the card.

i dont remeber why it was changed.

but for its cost rn, it doesnt need to be nerfed, honestly would love for it to be cheaper to run in more decks, but they slapped the 2 extra cards on it so it's gotta be expensive to run.

[pale mist]

Is this "doesn't give extra cards" pre or post play

So for instance, if you have 5 in fist with reroll, are you proposing we reroll to 5 (include the RR that's used, so hand+1 at time of resolve) or RR to 4 (remaining hand)

Personally I'm with Punsi on thinking that reroll being able to reroll itself makes sense

Especially given, at least to my knowledge, the cards discarded by reroll are burnt for the set

[rain canyon]

Sticky should be less damage than bomb

[fervent kernel]

How low should bomb dmg go for everyone to be happy

I like my 100, 140, 200, 280

[rain canyon]

I think bomb damage is in a good spot

[thick thicket]

Bombs should heal instead of doing damage.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-23081720

[fervent kernel]

Speaking the truth

[winter palm]

thick skin should heal you to full

[fervent kernel]

It's a better medkit👏

[winter palm]

someone gets it

[thick thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-stretching-morning-cute-tired-gif-25515109

[winter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-stretching-morning-cute-tired-gif-25515109

[thick thicket]

Add frying pan to the game.

Don't sue pubg.

[fervent kernel]

Using the frying pan sound in Tf2

[winter palm]

I would love to duel a tiger with a frying pan

[spark jungle]

Replace katana with baguette

[winter palm]

french Sable skin when?

[fervent kernel]

Stop sign Sable

[thick thicket]

More skins for Stevie.

And a drum mag for the gboria

Wait that's just the FK

[winter palm]

yea lets just revert the nerf and make it 50 bullets

its better than the fk anyway

[thick thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-gif-20299676

[fervent kernel]

More purple onesss

[winter palm]

marg passive should trigger after every card

[thick thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/straight-faded-frr-gif-21165965

[quiet sapphire]

Ok youv convinced me wr can nerf reroll to only give 1 extra card

So in a way it rerolls itself

[quiet sapphire]

Its discusting that its used a an empty extra cards

It needs a nerf on that regard

Please jacob

We need jacob banned for this

[winter palm]

he won a tournament and has immunity

[quiet sapphire]

To shitpost earrape?

[winter palm]

we cannot kick him off the island

[quiet sapphire]

Dunno, but its getting annoying once it turns into earrape posting

[plush dragon]

yeah

theres the annoying and then theres the danger

annoying is passable but causing possible damage to people i doubt

[thick thicket]

Womp womp

No need to be angry Jani.

I didn't expect you to watch the video in the first place.

And sorry for that.

[quiet sapphire]

apology accepted

[thick thicket]

But again. Listen to what Ruki has to say sometimes. 😎

[quiet sapphire]

oh i do, thats why im really eager to hear him explain stuff further

[thick thicket]

He does!

But you're just making repeat himself over and over

[quiet sapphire]

Sometimes i just ask to explain stuff differently, clarify stuff or give examples so that we do understand eachother.

[pale mist]

As someone who does not use pyromania I just watched how much it actually heals

And what the actual f

In what world is that sane

Poison heal is like 4/tick but fire heal is borderline godmode while you're in a molly and an instant 100%hp if you so much as touch it?

Why tho

Like I knew it was a lot but not THAT much a lot

[quiet sapphire]

Thats what iv been talking about!

The most simples change is to buff venomn to be at least somehow comparable to pyro

[pale mist]

At the same time

I think it being match-long is really nice

And I understand why it's slow to compensate.

I kind of wish that poison bomb was a gadget and not a temporary thing as a result

It'd be interesting to set up a viper pit

[quiet sapphire]

If you make a point, and its hard for you to explain further/ give examples and you have to resort to repeating. That most probably means the point made is very weak.

[quiet sapphire]

Card value changes

Venom eater buff: from 4 heal per poison tic to 6 heal
Sly shooter: from 3 cost to 2 cost and applies to both teammates, back shot area widened
Present nerf: from 1 cost to 2 cost/or add more weaponless card combo packages
Invisible health buff: also hides own dmg numbers from enemy
Bear trap buff: make it pink and function like a trap category card
Nuke nerf: from 0 cost to 1 cost AND fire cant dmg while in map transition
profaner nerf: now a legendary rarity and copies only one card (can be 3 cost then) OR nerf to 5 cost
Dale buff: back shot area widened or give him silent steps extra passive
Tin man nerf: from 2 cost to 3 cost
invisible hand nerf: has a timer of 25 secs
Deep fryer: fix shooting through walls
Sticky bomb nerf: dmg from 100 to 80
Reroll nerf: gives only one extra card after rerolling

updated list

How do people feel about the invis health?

[thick thicket]

You still wanna touch sticky even tho most people don't want you to do it? 🤔

[thick thicket]

It's not weak. You just don't agree with him. 🤭

[fervent kernel]

Invisible health not showing how much dmg you deal? HECK NO

[plush dragon]

what about

shrink spell

[fervent kernel]

Does shrink need a nerf? Play your cards and aim right shrink rlly ain't op as ppl say. Maybe a small decrease on that timer....hmmmm

[thick thicket]

Just don't lack skill.

[plush dragon]

question

is it always a go to when someone wants to win

if yes

then it probably needs a balance change

example, does everyone have a karrotov or the flamethrower? no

are they good? yeah

[quiet sapphire]

What do you mean, iv had 5 people agree that its dmg should be nerfed to be around bormal bomb

[plush dragon]

but i swear everyone who has shrink spell unlocked

will use it

[thick thicket]

And you're ignoring the rest? 🤔

Aighhht buddy

[plush dragon]

oh yeah the other

2 people in the playerbase of this game

[thick thicket]

The other 6 you mean.

[fervent kernel]

6? Woah that's alot

[thick thicket]

Righhht?

[thick thicket]

Your own fault I guess. 🤷‍♂️

[quiet sapphire]

The rest havent stated their arguments agaist nerfing it

[thick thicket]

You won't listen to them anyway? 🤔

[quiet sapphire]

The floor is theirs

[thick thicket]

I think most gave up giving you a reason why not to.

[quiet sapphire]

I havent heard anybodys arguments to not nerf it

[thick thicket]

Cause they feel like you don't listen at all.

[plush dragon]

My fault that the cards aren't overcentralising?

[thick thicket]

Yes

[quiet sapphire]

Again dont speak behalf of others

The whole point of me posting suggestions here is to hear others opinions

[quiet sapphire]

The whole poins i am texting here is that im listening

[plush dragon]

Also extremely spicy opinion, isn't the whole point of balancing to make cards equally viable

[quiet sapphire]

Ok, that might be unhealthy

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah

[quiet sapphire]

Thats not spicy at all

[fervent kernel]

Yuppie, ignoring one of the most important and basic part of FvF is sad

[plush dragon]

Yeah no its a joek

[thick thicket]

Homie. You only listen to people you agree with. The rest you reply with ''what?'' ''what do you mean?'' ''can you repeat that 10 times?''

Not to be mean or anything.

Isn't that what happens to Ruki every single time?

[plush dragon]

If you give me a valid argument on why shrink spell should have over 20 second duration I'll listen

[quiet sapphire]

Bro arguin with ruki is the most work weve done

[quiet sapphire]

Our arguments with ruki have been succesful

I did agree at the end that invis doesnt beed to be Buffed

[fervent kernel]

Cuz it is what it is(jkjk, we will see what they cook)

[thick thicket]

The 1 out of 10 times that has happened.

But again we have like 3 different cards that give you invis in some way. 🤷‍♂️

For some reason.

[quiet sapphire]

Punsi just said not to buff invis health, i though about it and said ok buffing it that way would be unhealthy

[thick thicket]

Dude it was straight up unreasonable.

[fervent kernel]

#1152968917246025728 message

tru!

[quiet sapphire]

Well than you for being vocal

Thats what i want

[plush dragon]

Oh no the point of a discussion thread is to discuss ideas

[thick thicket]

There's the problem ''i''

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah I want you to be vocal and give feedback on suggestions

[thick thicket]

It feels like the profaner vote thing.

Cause that was what you wanted

And in that one I can actually respect both sides. 🤔

[quiet sapphire]

Yes i wanted people to vote

[fervent kernel]

Can we before for 1 major update(when cards release). Just hope that the devs fix the bugs, make the new cards somewhat better, then get into pre existing stuffie? As a player that plays this game everyday(except for test weeks). I don't feel 1 or 2 cards are op

[quiet sapphire]

People voted

[thick thicket]

Dude! I gave up. You don't listen to anyone that doesn't agree most of the time.

[quiet sapphire]

And it wasnt banned

[thick thicket]

You resorted to it being rigged no? 🤔

[quiet sapphire]

Dont give up, because i do listeb

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah, it was, thats why we counted only partocipant votes

And at the end of that vote it was not banned

Thats fine

[fervent kernel]

I wonder if I was counted hehe

[plush dragon]

I'm still to sign up with a friend but

It wouldn't change anything

Because I voted no anyway

[thick thicket]

But did kinda make Graslu post that poster on the Steam forum for random people to vote. 🤔

When it got all tied up.

[thick thicket]

Who cares. It's over now.

Just have fun!

[plush dragon]

Well I plan to

[quiet sapphire]

I do listen, always respond, give own examples, reflect and change own opinions a lot

[plush dragon]

I'm gonna be training with my friend

[fervent kernel]

One day I'll see them return

[earnest violet]

Shrink + speed up is actually the most annoying thing ever

[quiet sapphire]

Whats wrong with spreading info about a vote

[thick thicket]

Cause people with bare bones accounts that looks like bots will vote.

Like you saw.

Where you were

Unhappy about it.

[fervent kernel]

It was spreading in way which made it looked like there was one :right way"

[plush dragon]

Rule of thumb when it goes for balancing btw

[fervent kernel]

Energy drink, shrink, thick skin

[plush dragon]

Check how often a card is used, if it's used a lot, ask community

[earnest violet]

Awful

[fervent kernel]

Yesh hehehe

[quiet sapphire]

We dm'd the ones that looked sus

[earnest violet]

So nerf the timer

[quiet sapphire]

The only on that didnt respond is mnil

[fervent kernel]

Some cards don't apply such as disarm

[earnest violet]

Or make them even slower by using Shrink

[plush dragon]

That's why you ask community

[thick thicket]

I mean if I didn't have winner role I would have been sus.

Cause mine is as bare as it gets.

[quiet sapphire]

Yeah, why are we talking about profsner vote rn?

[plush dragon]

If they feel bad about the card

It's op probably

[fervent kernel]

If shrink do gets the nerf probs a timer nerf then a slow

[thick thicket]

Called an example buddy.

[plush dragon]

I have yet to see ppl complain about like

Ninja log

Or medkit

[quiet sapphire]

What do you mean, you have over 1k messages in the server

[earnest violet]

Both 🙏

[thick thicket]

If I wasn't active. 😎

[quiet sapphire]

An example where i was fine of the resuklt once the vote was legitimate

[fervent kernel]

Slow would make it a sitting duck imo

But we'll see what the devs are cooking!

[plush dragon]

I've noticed a significant drop of slow reload/small mag recently

[thick thicket]

Sounds like gold 1 and below.

[fervent kernel]

Personal thought or experiment?

[plush dragon]

No just an observation

[plush dragon]

Surprisingly no

[thick thicket]

I swear everyone run it.

[fervent kernel]

Ye

[thick thicket]

All the games I played the other day.

[earnest violet]

Btw the card that really needs a Nerf (has been said before) is warp room. Please add a like 15 sec timer and then tp anyone inside out of it (and maybe make a 30-45s cooldown to enter again) because people just camp and 9/10 times you just instantly die when entering