Music Making

[celest bough]

That plus I usually high pass and/or lower the volume on my reverse hits

[solar canopy]

So what I figured the drum rack is bit like a custom made drum machine from your own samples? Something like that might be more sensible, main drawback in the XLN XO was that it limited the kit size, and in digital world there is really no reason for that

[trim ledge]

true that
in fact the way i use xo is i find samples in it then just drag them into the daw

yeah Ableton is clunkier with printing stuff, the quickest way is freezing the track, create a new track, copy the frozen audio track in the new track, crop to the part you need, unfreeze

[solar canopy]

Interesting, do you happen to know anything similar to the drum rack that could be used outside ableton?

[trim ledge]

not really cause the drum rack is very integrated into the daw, each drum gets its own effect chain that's treated as its own track, you even get internal send/return tracks if you really want to go crazy
bitwig studio is the only other daw i know that has anything similar (understandably, since it's made by ex Ableton devs and it's very similar to it in most respects)

oh wait the closest i know is native instruments battery

you get a max of 128 pads just like Ableton
of course you're more limited in the fx department but it covers the basics

[solar canopy]

Hmm, I've tried battery many years ago in school but didn't really have a need for it at the time, might have to check it out again at some point. If you can route the pads to different outputs then there should be no problems with fx either, at least post. Definitely not gonna be switching DAW from reaper, never had a slightest problem that couldn't be solved.

[trim ledge]

reaper very neat

i actually use it when I don't have to deal with midi cause audio editing is just better

also crazy routing options

[solar canopy]

Aye, midi is not the strongest for reaper, definitely would prefer something like FL for it, but I don't do midi that much. The fact that you can change any hotkey, make your own hotkeys for any actions available, and custom actions from all action available, is amazing, and I wonder why it is not a standard on all DAW's. Also the action list is great in general, just search what you need from the list, no needless menu diving if you need something more rarely used. The developers mindset is the best from any I've seen, they just want to make the best DAW possible. This is of course possible since the owner of the company doesn't have to worry about money at all, since he and his partner sold winamp to AOL in 1999 for $80 million.

[trim ledge]

@reef basin one of the songs from last year's exam is such a niche thing that i don't mind sharing it here

this is my attempt at doing a 60s italian song

the reference was https://open.spotify.com/track/0q9no3CEFBmMP925KJMxTu?si=3f1bbce42b0a4508

[reef basin]

ooooh ..

nice vibes ..

feels very cinematic ..

quentin tarantino

[trim ledge]

well, quentin tarantino is inspired by spaghetti western movies, ennio morricone's soundtracks are kinda the sonic face of that genre, and before making it as a film composer he would be arranging pop songs just like this one (he didn't arrange this one in particular tho, but that's the style that was in fashion at the time)

iirc he did arrange this one https://open.spotify.com/track/2bYLru2w0NKtCDiFPgALFE?si=9c323ea5feb34c25

[pallid spindle]

https://youtu.be/r7556ybtdW0

saw this in my recommended and thought it'd be good to share

he gets pretty technical with the actual physics behind eqing and what not but the actual tips he gives are pretty useful

[trim ledge]

11:49 explains why ddu-du ddu-du always sounded like shit to me
the low mids are scooped out so unless you're listening on a car or anything with subwoofers you just don't get the intended full impact of that 808

[pallid spindle]

mmm i hear that now

[celest bough]

You haven't heard shit low end until you've heard Ven Para by Weeekly.

[trim ledge]

well, I hate how ven para is mixed too LOL

just never put a name on it

but yeah it's basically as if it was OTT'd badly

and ddu-du ddu-du isn't really bad
just doesn't come across as well unless you have subs
it's like, 808 fundamental <-> a bunch of nothing <-> the vocals

[pallid spindle]

i just listened to ven para and wtf

[solar canopy]

Same, really weird mix

[pallid spindle]

i can barely hear feel the 808 in my studio headphones

i can like hear the actual tone but the low end is almost nonexistent lol

[solar canopy]

Aye, low mids very loud and no actual low end to speak of

[atomic tangle]

https://youtu.be/L968H6x2sBY kinda cool

They have more tutorials under their name just look it up

Also whole streams uploaded

I like their style, also Ableton user 👏

[atomic tangle]

Bro my brain is dry lmao

[pallid spindle]

i love watching beat breakdowns

that’s actually how i got into music production

[atomic tangle]

https://i.redd.it/njbh1t1nmv5a1.jpg

Is a random twit tho, idk how much truth is on that

[molten path]

flac?

a loss-less audio codex?

Odd.

[atomic tangle]

Right? lol

Also the "degrade over time" part of it... is a digital file, not a piece of fruit or smth

Still Ableton the best, Ableton my luv

If def a joke, makes no sense lol

[molten path]

just app bias likely

[solemn timber]

how a file degrade over time

[trim ledge]

it's like downloading ram

[trim ledge]

the only reasonable way it can happen is cosmic radiation hitting your hard drives LOL

and cosmic radiation don't discriminate between file types or daws

[solar canopy]

They don't

[solemn timber]

twitter lie joke i guess

[atomic tangle]

Indeed

[molten path]

very very unpredictable occurrence that happens and will happen with the more time it's given

[atomic tangle]

https://youtu.be/SPyDimvPNb0

[trim ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc08RhOQDR4 musescore got a massive update

looks super cool on paper, but i haven't tried it personally yet

[snow pagoda]

when the loonacord mixtape dropping?

[pallid spindle]

u know whats funny i was talking about doing something like that with @atomic tangle lol

i’m 1000% up for it if other people are

[snow pagoda]

I don't really know much but I'm willing to help!

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah! anything helps

as of right now this is all just an idea, we don't know if we'll actually follow through with this

i think we just gotta get more people involved

[solar canopy]

Kinda busy myself because holiday season, might have some more time after this weekend

[pallid spindle]

sounds good

i'm free pretty much any time

also to any mixing engineers in here: do you gain stage before or after gain automation?

i have a general idea of what gain staging is and how to do it but i'm not the most familiar with the actual automation

[trim ledge]

i do it before usually
basically i see gain staging as getting the levels in the right ballpark, then if necessary I'll go and automate on specific tracks

[pallid spindle]

ah okay i thought so

[trim ledge]

actually

technically gain staging is what you do to get tracks at a level where you can use stuff like compressors without going too crazy with threshold settings cause the audio is too loud/quiet

[pallid spindle]

right

[trim ledge]

but in the digital domain it isn't essential, it's more of a convenience
like if you increase a track by 12 db so that it peaks at -6 db, say, and then compress it with a 2:1 ratio at -18 db threshold,
or you just put the compressor with a -30 db threshold and then turn up the fader later,
it's gonna sound the same. it's not like in the days of analog where you were risking to raise the noise floor if you did things in the wrong order

[pallid spindle]

yeah whenever i'm mixing my projects i really only gain stage vocals or anything that i plan to process heavily

i just leave my drums alone cause 99% of the time i'm just using samples

i think it won't really matter if you gain stage before or after gain automating ??

cause if you're automating the gain before you're getting everything kind of in that same ballpark and then bringing it up or down, and if you're automating after you're just getting it into the same ballpark just after you've gain staged the signal

[trim ledge]

one thing I would do is making sure that if you put the fader halfway the volume isn't too quiet or too loud. that way you have room to use the whole fader while mixing and not be artificially limited to just a small part of it cause your audio was too loud/quiet

the thing with gain automation is that on most daws if you automate the gain fader then it's a bit of a pain if you want to change the overall level

[pallid spindle]

got it

[trim ledge]

you'd have to either

1. edit all the automation points manually, or
2. add an utility plugin and change the gain with that

in reaper there's a type of gain automation that's relative instead of absolute, so you can still move the fader and the automation will still work as expected

[pallid spindle]

got it

in fl studio the channel rack volume (or gain ig) is different than the volume fader in the mixer so if i turn down the clip in the actual mixer the automation won't be affected

(testing it out right now)

[solar canopy]

Many daws have additional trim volume on top of the regular fader

And as mew said, you can also just stack plugins for gain reasons if you're out of other options

[pallid spindle]

got it

thank u guys

[pallid spindle]

any of yall have any free plugins you recommend ?

[trim ledge]

maybe narrow it down a bit

by category i mean

[pallid spindle]

hmm

i think i'm lookin for free creative plugins

[trim ledge]

hmm ok it's a bit specific but i might have something for you

https://lese.io/plugin/codec/

basically bad mp3 simulator

you can also create discord lag artifacts with it

[pallid spindle]

oh my god that is actually what i have been looking for

i have been looking for a plugin that purposely makes things sound like crap

[trim ledge]

yayyy

[pallid spindle]

thank you mew

[trim ledge]

np~

actually I haven't even tried it out yet 🥲 haven't gotten around to install it

[pallid spindle]

i am messing around with it right now LOL

this plugin is amazing

[trim ledge]

philippine internet type beat
I'm ded

wow it sounds like a hold jingle

[pallid spindle]

i'm gonna have so much fun with this plugin

thank you again

[atomic tangle]

https://illformed.org/ here is a bunch of those, being Glitch the most creative let's say

Is a multi effect where you can add those per bar, etc

Kinda like effectrix or looperator

There is also tape stop which i been using lately

[atomic tangle]

True lmao, the best one ever made

[trim ledge]

something tells me that butterfly would work really well as a hold jingle

mostly because most hold jingles i know are from mobile carrier helplines, they use whatever song they're using in ads at that moment and I can see butterfly in a phone ad

[atomic tangle]

Rain 51db also, it already has a vintage kinda feel

[trim ledge]

but that one is halfway there by default

[atomic tangle]

Right right

[atomic tangle]

Yo @pallid spindle i'm intrigued... how you take out the vocals for your remixes? Do you use some program or filter the shit out of the sample?

[trim ledge]

robots got pretty good at it
the easiest way without installing anything is https://mvsep.com

[atomic tangle]

Nice, i'll test it

I've used moises a couple times but is paid

[pallid spindle]

i use vocalremover.org !

https://vocalremover.org

[pallid spindle]

will check those out

thank you

[trim ledge]

i wonder what it uses under the hood

maybe I'll try it when I'm home and compare it with what i know

[pallid spindle]

i tried the one that you suggested and it works pretty good

[winged fulcrum]

WoW it’s been a long time without reading this chat

Hope you guys are doing great

[winged fulcrum]

Sounds like Lugaw restaurant at 10pm

[pallid spindle]

am doing well

hope you are as well !

[upper parrot]

ayyyu

[pallid spindle]

yooo

whats up

[upper parrot]

cooking

[pallid spindle]

awesome

would you be down to participate in a loonacord mixtape thing

[upper parrot]

AY COUNT ME IN

[atomic tangle]

Yas ymw let's go

We can wait for more to join in, but at the same time starting to discuss if will be a theme, when could be released, etc

[atomic tangle]

Sup Lou

[upper parrot]

I am really rooting for that
I wanna participate

[atomic tangle]

I'll try to be more active with it, maybe talking with mods for making an annoucement for this

Once we can settle on some points

Releasing something before holidays or vacations end would be the best

[upper parrot]

Let's go

[winged fulcrum]

I took a break on music production, ears and mind are relaxed now

[atomic tangle]

Breaks are good

I've not been doing like proper beats, but just learning new techniques and stuff for my daw

[winged fulcrum]

The grind is real

[atomic tangle]

Made something really basic just to learn how it works

[winged fulcrum]

🙏

I’ll be finishing some tunes before starting new ones for 2023

[atomic tangle]

Let's gooo

I should do that

Pickin the best that i did over the year

Kinda clean up details, make an arrangement

And frickin releasing smth

My soundcloud only has weak ass beats for Kenny Beats beat battles

So much beats on a sentence

[pallid spindle]

yeah i think it would be good to start discussing that !

[celest bough]

Yo I've straight up seen people mix on those

[solar canopy]

Great choice

[pallid spindle]

i mix on them

great headphones

[celest bough]

I splurged on a pair of sennheiser HD 660S. My ears are happy, but my wallet isn't

[pallid spindle]

good lord

but hey you keep it forever

[solar canopy]

I got DT 770 and DT 880 myself, contemplating on the DT 1990 but monitors would be a wiser choice

[pallid spindle]

monitors are toward the top of my list

i think i'm still gonna go with the yamaha hs series

[languid drum]

suppp

just found out this thread here abt music making

I just started out

what yall cookin

[winged fulcrum]

bass music mostly

[languid drum]

do you guys upload to youtube or soundcloud?

i tried making some music covers of songs

[celest bough]

Pop punk

[celest bough]

Got LOONA covers?

[languid drum]

not yet

trying to get the hang of it all with other songs first

[solar canopy]

@languid drum You play any instruments?

[languid drum]

I learnt a bit for awhile in the past, but forgotten it all so like... nah

Just messing around with DAWs and havin fun

[languid drum]

you play instruments?

I envy 😢

[pallid spindle]

yes

a bit of everything tbh

[winged fulcrum]

i do on soundcloud

[pallid spindle]

also would you like to be part of a loonacord mixtape @languid drum

[pallid spindle]

i upload on soundcloud as well but i haven't posted anything in a while lol

[winged fulcrum]

is there a list of people in for the mixtape ?

[pallid spindle]

no not yet but i should make a list

[winged fulcrum]

count me in if u didn't

[pallid spindle]

got it

alright just from skimming through past messages in here we have 5 people that are willing to participate

[languid drum]

ayy sure

[pallid spindle]

lets gooo

that brings us to 6 people

i think we're in a good spot if we were to start right now but the more people we can get to participate in this project the better

[languid drum]

better put me at the back of the list

In case I fail >_<

[pallid spindle]

nahh we're all on the same playing field here

right now i'm just brainstorming ideas for this project but me and @atomic tangle both agreed to do something like a remix project where we remix any loona song

[languid drum]

Yea remix will be fun :>

the past few days

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIosxZzFr5PCNaNuvTo7-T3zc1xe38X8b

tried doing shit

not sure how much I can contribute but let's do it

hopefully more ppl join

[pallid spindle]

it's still in the works we're still trying to get more people in here

i'm thinking though, we keep the number of participants even so we can randomly assign pairs and the two will decide on which song(s) they'll remix

[languid drum]

Ah, that means 2 ppl in a pair will work tgt?

[pallid spindle]

yes

[languid drum]

sounds great!

okey then imma check back again

[pallid spindle]

i think also it’ll be up to which person does what, as long as the workload is even for both people

[languid drum]

yeh we'll discuss

[pallid spindle]

yeah if any of you guys come up with any ideas you are more than welcome to share

i’ll make a shared google doc so you guys can add any ideas whenever you want

[winged fulcrum]

sounds good

[atomic tangle]

Sounds great as soon you have the doc share it

Little by little we making a squad

[languid drum]

hmm

say

I wanna take on hyunjin's solo but is that ok?

Around You

[pallid spindle]

yeah! that’s fine

ig we can have a list of which songs are taken

i’ll organize all of this later when i get home

[languid drum]

okay!

awesome!

[celest bough]

I missed the memo on this mistake, but are y'all doing LOONA remixes? I'll play

[upper parrot]

loona sample but pierre bourne type beat

i might sample the intro of ptt, chop it up a little bit and make a carti type beat out of it or maybe ski mask since it fits much more better

but hell yeah the project that was being planned here is what im looking forward, i would love to make music with people here

[atomic tangle]

Seems you have an idea already in here

I might take some of the more RnB cuts and put my spin on it

[atomic tangle]

Chill, there are a lots of Loona songs so it won't be conflicting sample sources i guess

Also if there is, no probs, everyone will put their own spin on it

[pallid spindle]

i'll get started on the google doc

i just got home

[atomic tangle]

Okeii

How many are in so far? like 6 ppl right?

[pallid spindle]

we have uhhh

7 people

pretty exciting to see this actually get somewhere

[atomic tangle]

Also we have to think if makin pairs is the best, like trying to cover each weakness let's say

Or just passing the project around

[atomic tangle]

I already made a mixtape with other internet ppl long ago, it came well, but took time cus, you know, each one has its own times and such

So is doable for sure

[pallid spindle]

yeah we can just throw out all our ideas on the google doc

and then see from there

[upper parrot]

the type beat I made months ago, just made it in like 10 min with no plans whatsover and i sampled satelitte

just inspired by this
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zV8XHxXPvlM&feature=share

also if u reversed the type beat i made u can literally hear satelitte

[pallid spindle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KQQ4_cBMZFQxcrDGtW-UZGT0DtlQz0JYFcUcGlOYmY4/edit?usp=sharing

alright here it is

let me know if you guys can make edits or not

[pallid spindle]

i cannot play it

also, should we get m0ds to pin the doc ?

just so it doesn’t get lost

[upper parrot]

this, n then listen to 4n by earl

[upper parrot]

yuppp

i can see earl hopping on this one its crazy

[pallid spindle]

bet

[pallid spindle]

mods can we get this message pinned pls

[upper parrot]

ayyyy lesgo

[pallid spindle]

yo i do too lowk

love it

i might just make this my thing

just this 19 second clip

[winged fulcrum]

I filled my part on the doc, pale blue dot acapella over deep dubstep like on duploc label

Maybe that will be good

[pallid spindle]

hell yeah

this is still in the works so everything is subject to change

[pallid spindle]

love this cute little thing

[trim ledge]

what song is that

[pallid spindle]

oops

if u look closely you can see it lol

[solar canopy]

@pallid spindle Yo count me in too on the mixtape thing. I'm more oriented towards metal but I can do some synth stuff too. I can try to play funky guitars too if anyone needs some.

[celest bough]

Fuck it; LOONA metalcore cover. I can belt out clean vocals and painfully edit guitar to the grid with the kick and bass

Real talk though, I'm also game despite specializing in guitar music

[upper parrot]

ill put a loona remix and itll be my submission, ofc i wanna work with @atomic tangle on that one

[solar canopy]

If you have time some day I can demo my Star cover, I can stream my reaper session through discord

[pallid spindle]

i have added you!

[upper parrot]

is LOONATHEWRLD a good idea

since its loonatheworld
I feel like making a remix and calling it a LOONATHEWRLD thing where it's Juice WRLD and LOONA in any song, of course it's still included here in our planned mixtape

[pallid spindle]

definitely add that to the doc

i'll try to come up with some name ideas

[upper parrot]

how do u add something to the doc lol

i got more ideas lol

LOONA x Bjork, some stuff i've been working on for months and I still can't figure out if I should drop some or not

[pallid spindle]

you should be able to make edits

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KQQ4_cBMZFQxcrDGtW-UZGT0DtlQz0JYFcUcGlOYmY4/edit?usp=sharing

here it is again

if you can't let me know

[winged fulcrum]

Sound good

I started something today I’m already lost..

[serene star]

Have a happy christmas day!
https://twitter.com/andresagitari14/status/1604748015893258240?s=20&t=cosntJjH0Uks81DqNX885w

Andre Ilham S.  (@andresagitari14)

🎁A gift has arrived!🎁
Celebrate the season with my new 8-bit cover of Weeekly's Happy Christmas! Have a joyful holiday and wish you a happier new year! @_Weeekly @official_yaoki
#위클리 #Weeekly #야오키프로젝트 #YAOKI_Project #캐롤 #크리스마 #해피크리스마스

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[languid drum]

Cool!

https://youtu.be/INmGBbpMeNY

Just up ^ not sure if it's good enough but feedbacks are most welcome!

Have a happy Christmas Day to all of you too 🎄

i'll be doing a stronger remix for the mixtape

This is sth for the holiday!

[pallid spindle]

pretty cool

i like it!

ig since we're sending what we're working on here's what i'm working on right now

not sure if i'll include this in the tape? i might remix another song

[languid drum]

ayy 🔥

that boom

[serene star]

This is the mashup that went scrapped, but I'm gonna sharing it with you for this festive season. Enjoy! :)

Sauces:
Red Velvet - Feel My Rhythm
Adora - Magical Symphony

[pallid spindle]

holy

can we get the full version ????

[trim ledge]

i don't have a full version, mostly because love & live's chorus is the only part that fits

[pallid spindle]

ohh okay

[winged fulcrum]

Does anyone knows a free plugin for oriental/Asian wind/strings instruments ?

[pallid spindle]

i do not

:[

[trim ledge]

free stuff for niche instruments like those is veeeery hard to find
if you don't wanna go cruising the seven seas and don't care much about fidelity your best bet might actually be searching for soundfonts. if you're lucky you'll find some cheap samples, worst case scenario you can get a general midi soundfont and find the relevant instruments there. if you don't use FL Studio or Ableton Live you'll also need a sampler VST that can load soundfonts

haven't been looking for soundfonts for ages tho so i wouldn't know where to look, google is your friend

also if you don't know the names of the instruments you might want to do some research to make it easier for yourself
if you don't find specific instruments from one east Asian culture you can always search for their equivalents in others
for example the Chinese guzheng is basically the same as the Korean gayageum and the Japanese koto

[serene star]

A mashup I did 2 years ago.
Apink YOS - Be Myself (ft. Ariana Grande)

[atomic tangle]

Hmmm maybe check Decent Sampler, and then search for Pianobook which has lots of free sounds for that plugin, is like Kontakt but free, i think it must something like you looking for around there

Then i'm sure this DSK brand, or smth, like that have some free instruments on that vibe, but the quality idk if is the best

Ah and then LABS from Spitfire (also a Kontakt type thing) was library called Moon Guitar which sounds kinda oriental

https://youtu.be/_Ev7oMDVKuE

[atomic tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ba2boGeznQ&t=790s started messing in Vital from this

Found another channel that have tutorial, so i'll be on this mood for a while

Is dope cus you can follow their steps, saving the preset and the adjust to taste

[winged fulcrum]

Vital is good af never tried cuz I know sérum more

But for 808 or subs Sublab is just gold

[celest bough]

Vital runs kinda slow in my setup, but it's free and can sound great

[trim ledge]

this is kind of a shitpost but i actually BPM matched this, just weirdly

[atomic tangle]

On advanced tab, check the oversample thingy and try it on x2 or x1, maybe could work

[atomic tangle]

Yea, basically the same concept

The basses i made following that vid came pretty good

I made a little beat for testing but i deleted cus was for testing

[atomic tangle]

Hey fits well, i like it

You took the og beat and then the acapella or remade the beat from scratch?

[trim ledge]

og beat and acapella

[celest bough]

I can try that, but it's the UI that runs slow for me. The sound runs just fine

[atomic tangle]

Ahhh maybe updating the plugin?

[celest bough]

Yeah I can certainly give it a whirl

[atomic tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/@EricBowman going down the rabbit whole, this channel has some sauce

I already make those SZA keys

[serene star]

A goodbye to the amazing 2022.
Sauces:
Porter Robinson - Goodbye to the World
NewJeans - Ditto

[languid drum]

How this sound??
https://youtu.be/iG_0l9Dc3C0

[trim ledge]

sounds like the music i was making when i was 13

[languid drum]

honest feedback I like

[trim ledge]

did you make this?

[languid drum]

yeah

[trim ledge]

ok let's give some actual constructive feedback

where did you get the sounds?

[languid drum]

Err, I use bandlab 😀

I just kinda played around with it

[trim ledge]

oh ok 🧍‍♂️

so the sound part can't really be fixed

[languid drum]

hmm which part of the sound ya referring to? I'd like to know!

I'll take note but I'm trying to learn little by little, not too much at a time cos I find the full fledged DAWs pretty overwhelming for me

[trim ledge]

just generally the orchestral instruments sounding artificial, especially when you repeat the same note over and over
professional libraries get around that problem by having multiple recordings of the same note and alternating between them when you play them

but having gigabytes of samples in a smartphone app isn't really feasible

it's not something you can really improve on with the tools you have right now, so ignore it for the time being

the other improvable aspect is arrangement
specifically how you voice chords
generally speaking, the lower you go the more close intervals will sound muddy and indistinct
in other words, two notes that sound good together high on the keyboard will not necessarily sound as good further down

here Adam Neely expands on this concept a little more, and gives actual rules of thumb for different intervals
but depending on your current knowledge of music theory, it might fly over your head (also you kinda need to know how to read sheet music to understand his suggestions) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW6YeDJklhQ

so let's say you have a C major chord you wanna play on the strings and you want it to sound deep

your first instinct might be to voice it like C1 E1 G1, but that will sound messy cause C and E and E and G that low don't sound good together

so if you still want the low C1 but have the chord sound better, you might try something like C1 G1 E2

raising the E up an octave

[languid drum]

Wow interesting...

[languid drum]

yeah! there's a certain part in there that has this issue, sounding kinda off I rmb

[trim ledge]

specifically with strings I'd probably do something more like C1 C2 G2 C3 E3

spend some time arranging the notes of chords in different configurations and see what sounds best, I guess

as in my example, it's totally fine to repeat notes in different octaves
but for a balanced sound I'd recommend doubling the root more often than the fifth, and that more often than the third

and the further down you go, the notes should be more spread out

[languid drum]

Really insightful 😀

[trim ledge]

you're welcome~

[languid drum]

Tysm! i'll keep these in mind!

[serene star]

this mashup will ready to blast off tomorrow :)
https://twitter.com/andresagitari35/status/1608727941181235200?t=ujRXC1wyKO5JyR0GW63EQA&s=19

andresagitari35 (@andresagitari35)

A beginning of the end.
New mashup
31.12.2022
10pm KST

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Twitter · Dec 30, 2022, 7:33 AM

[solar canopy]

FL studio would probably be great if you're just starting out and want to play with midi stuff, but isn't free (unless you're comfortable sailing the seas). I personally use Reaper. Most flexible and customizable by far, though definitely not the most intuitive out of the box, but it is basically free. And what I mean with free is, it has "30 day" evaluation period but it actually never runs out, it is just there the encourage you to buy it. And if you do decide to buy it, it is just $60. There are no limitations in any versions of reaper in terms of track limits or things like that, which some other DAW's do on their cheaper licenses. Only thing that changes with bought license is that the 5 second nag on startup asking you to buy it disappears. Also it has excellent community and great tutorials if you decide to give it a spin. You'd need to get some plugins for the synth sounds and such, but I (and probably others here) could help out with that, there are plenty of great options in the free plugins realm these days

[languid drum]

hmm indeed! FL Studio seems like a good bet. seen quite a few tutorials centering ard it. though at this stage I'd prolly just stick with whatever's free, first. Looks like Reaper's free but not as beginners friendly T_T

Theoretically speaking I have not much of a musical background, so I'm not sure if I can really do much 😅 I'm just scared that too much customization and options opening up for me will turn me away instead of sticking to it. Like, I see there's countless plugins/VSTs out there, idk which one to choose from and all. It'll take quite some time for me. I guess I'll need months to reach that point where I'll consider moving :]

Just curious, roughly how much space do yall reserve for DAWs and plugins?

[trim ledge]

space as in storage space?

[languid drum]

yep!

[trim ledge]

the software per se generally doesn't take too much space
what takes space is usually samples, aka the soundbites you make music with
but most free/cheap stuff isn't too heavy on samples so I wouldn't worry about it for now

meanwhile, me who just bought komplete 14 which would be 260 gigabytes if i installed everything:

[languid drum]

I see

[ocean garnet]

hello, first time chatting here

im a beginner and i havent filled up my 1tb yet with all my samples, plugins and my daw

[languid drum]

hi there! welcome 😀👋

yay fellow beginner

[ocean garnet]

i use reaper btw but im thinking of sailing the seas for ableton

[ocean garnet]

helooo thank uu

[languid drum]

how long ya used reaper?

I read there's a learning curve when switching between DAWs :x

[trim ledge]

there totally is, altho the steepness depends from your starting point

Ableton Live and FL Studio are the hardest to switch from/to cause they're so different from the rest, as compared to switching to/from Logic/Cubase/Pro Tools/REAPER/whathaveyou where at most it's just learning new keyboard shortcuts and the menu layout

oh, and Live and FL are different from the rest in different ways, so switching from one to the other is notoriously hard, hence there's a bit of a traditional rivalry between the users of those two LOL (I'm team Ableton)

(there's also Bitwig Studio that's different from other DAWs but it's got a similar workflow to Live since it's made by former Ableton devs)

[winged fulcrum]

Welcome

[full fern]

omg I’m so glad I found this channel - any tips for making like, electronic type music on garage band??? The interface is kinda frustrating sometimes tbh

[pallid spindle]

as an fl studio user myself, it is a good starting point! i've been using fl for the past 3 years (although i did try ableton out) and to me at least, it's very user friendly, things are pretty easy to find, and it doesn't take that long for you to learn your way around it. if you do plan to actually go down the fl route, i recommend checking out some of in the mix's fl studio tutorials! i find them to be super helpful and easy to understand. right now there should be a end of the year sale going on where all versions of fl studio (except the fruity edition, which is the cheapest option) are on sale. i would recommend getting the producer edition ($150 at the moment), that's what i have, and considering i do mixing and a little bit of mastering on top of producing, the producer edition is more than enough to fulfill my needs.

as for your fear of something not really sticking, it definitely takes time to sort through plugins and samples and such. i've been using fl studio for the past 3 years like i said but i still learn new things about fl every day. i would suggest just going through your daw's stock plugins, learn those, and just experiment!

@winged fulcrum answering your question from the doc:

do you mean a multi-genre track as in we just combine our tracks into one long track? great idea though, but i do think it's best if each person mixes their own thing because i think if we just have one person mix everything, it might not be an accurate representation of what each person had in mind. or we can still have one person mix but have everyone make a few notes of how they want their track to be mixed?

[solar canopy]

@languid drum Just to be clear, using reaper isn't really all that complicated, it may just not be the most intuitive if you're completely new to DAW's. If all you want is write some midi notes, it is really easy. I made a short clip just to demonstrate, on a freshly installed reaper. The plugin I used is free too.

[pallid spindle]

ooh the startup sequence is pretty cool

[ocean garnet]

yeaa

when i had my cheap laptop, reaper is the only daw that worked for me

it's very light

[celest bough]

My buddy's IG handle is @stillevaluating #onlyreaperkids

[solar canopy]

@languid drum @ocean garnet @full fern One thing I could recommend if you're just starting out, is buy Arturia's cheapest KeyLab Essential keyboard, which is around 225€, or about the same in USD. Why a keyboard, you ask? Great question.

Simply, because Arturia bundles it with their full version of the Analog Lab software. It has over 6500 presets across 33 different synths, so it has you covered pretty well for anything you could possibly need, and they all sound great. You can also tweak the presets to a respectable degree, but you'd have to get the V Collection to access each of the synths on individual level.

But what about the keyboard, I can't even play keyboard! Doesn't matter.

The keyboard speeds up going through the sounds immensely, and you don't really need to know how to play for it to be a big help in songwriting too. It is really the most essential tool to have in making electronic music, and also, it's fun. They ask 200€ for the Analog Lab if you buy it separately, so it makes no sense to buy the software only when with 25€ price difference you can get a keyboard too. And even if you already have keyboard, you could just sell the keyboard, have it as backup, or whatever you fancy.

And this is where Reaper comes in being basically free. You get amazing synth sounds and a keyboard for the price you would usually spend on just the DAW. And Reaper's stock plugins, while not visually the most beautiful, are functionally outstanding for the whole post process from mixing to mastering.

This is how I would go about starting to do electronic stuff right now, knowing what I know. But it is not the only way, and I don't know everything. I'd much rather do this than buy something like FL Studio or Ableton, tho I cannot say anything about Ableton's default plugins. I find Arturia's synths much better sounding than FL Studio's stock plugins, but my FL Studio version is also from 2015, so they might have improved a great bit too.

[ocean garnet]

Yes, I agree. Everything is faster and easier with a midi keyboard

I have a keyboard with midi out and I use that but I really want a small one too so thanks for the recommendation

[solar canopy]

The smallest one from the Essential series is 49 keys, so not necessarily compact one, but you could just sell it and buy a smaller one if you want the synths too and end up spending only around 100€

[ocean garnet]

Ohh I was thinking of minilab

That was different

[solar canopy]

Ah, I don't know if they bundle the full Analog Lab with that, might be

Aye, the minilab comes with analog lab intro, whatever that means

[ocean garnet]

the "intro" is kinda scary lolol

what if its different

[solar canopy]

It only has 500 presets across 28 synths

I mean, it is still a lot, but considering what you get for a 100€ more it's not amazing deal

[ocean garnet]

Yea, i'll still take a look on the essentials

[solar canopy]

This might be a bit unethical advice, but depending where you buy, you could possibly buy the essential, claim the full analog lab, return the keyboard, and buy the minilab instead

[ocean garnet]

Ohh hahaha it really depends on where you buy

I don't think I can do that in my store tho

[solar canopy]

I don't know if stores even check that really, since digital licenses don't really cost anything they might just get a new one for free for the bundle deal, and I don't think exploiting the bundle deal this way is big enough issue that they would made means to counter it, but who knows

Quick searching suggests that the analog lab purchased this way is tied to the serial of the keyboard, so I don't know if you just lose access to it once the next owner of the keyboard activates the analog lab with the same serial, or what will happen

[languid drum]

Ayy this looks alright? quite straightforward and to the point!

[languid drum]

Wow very detailed recommendation 😀 ty I'll save these!

[languid drum]

Noted on this too! I guess learning wrt music making will be a never ending process then 😅 so many things to explore

[pallid spindle]

i've tried fl studio stock plugins and yeah they don't necessarily sound the best but they definitely do get you going

[trim ledge]

it truly is

[winged fulcrum]

Oof fl 21 is getting good

[serene star]

FL21 has themes

and a lil faster load times

[pallid spindle]

it truly is

the one thing i've always wanted was a search feature in fl studio

[winged fulcrum]

I like the sample management when u put it on grid

[atomic tangle]

Yeah, having kinda of a main or couple main mixers would be nice, personally i'm not in a good environment to do proper mixes tbh

Also that i suck at it lol

[atomic tangle]

You know what, i did not have such a hard time switching from fl to ableton really, maybe cus i was already watching producers using it and picked up the basics, also i just learned the shortcuts quicker than in fl

Not that i've learned all the shortcuts on the daw tho lol

[pallid spindle]

true! i was also thinking if someone wants to mix their own project then they can do that but if someone else wants another person to mix their project then we can have our "main mixer(s)" take care of that

[atomic tangle]

I really would ask for feedback on that aspect constantly lol

[pallid spindle]

i'd be down to help out with the mixing

[atomic tangle]

[solar canopy]

Gotta praise Reaper again here, you can shortcut any command to any key you want, and also make your own commands by combining existing commands, or even create scripts if you're up for some coding. Absolute nonsense why all DAW's can't just rebind as you like.

[celest bough]

Yeah I hear people make some really cool scripts with reaper.

[atomic tangle]

Ah that geeky stuff is way over my head

[pallid spindle]

happy new year guys

[languid drum]

Happy new year! :]

[pallid spindle]

wish you all the best this year with everything and your endeavors !!

[winged fulcrum]

Happy new year everyone I hope 2023 will be a great year for all of you

And take care of yourselves

[upper parrot]

happy new year!!

[winged fulcrum]

i want to throw myself, cant finish this...
WARNING its heavy dubstep thing

[solar canopy]

Don't worry mate, I have yet to finish anything in 16 years

Also interesting synth sounds once again

[winged fulcrum]

hmm im not good at making this

[atomic tangle]

Hey! I loved it, so ethereal but the drums bang soo hard

It gave me a bit of Clams Casino vibes

[solar canopy]

I see you got the professional file naming down too

[winged fulcrum]

Yee most of my files are like : aaaaaaaaaaaaa
Dsssddffdss
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs_v3
Qqqqqqqqqqqqqqwwww_copy copy copy copy

[winged fulcrum]

Yee I’m used to compress my drums with the Ableton stock plugin drum bus but now I realize that it makes my drums hitting too hard

And it cannot be tweak so I need to use a normal compressor now

[solar canopy]

Very lush synths on the latest one

[atomic tangle]

Ahhh Drum buss could be aggresive sometimes, so try backing down the mix of the effect, or doing a parallel chain

If is not the sound you looking for, ofc take it out lol

[atomic tangle]

Trying to figure out Ditto's chord progression rn

This is what i have at the moment

The second ones of each round i'm not really sure about, then the chromatic movement to the top of the progression is being a pain in the ass also lol

[solar canopy]

What is ditto

[atomic tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/ditto-me-too-cute-kawaii-gif-12529370

Jk, is a song by New Jeans

https://open.spotify.com/track/3r8RuvgbX9s7ammBn07D3W?si=dKNyQn80QJOhHwSS71QUPQ

Also discovered that the beat is a Jersey Club type stuff

With those five kick hits, kinda a twist on a house pattern

[solar canopy]

Interesting song

Wish I knew something about chords, I've been planning to learn music theory for the last ~4 years but I have no clue where to start, I just play by ear so far

[atomic tangle]

Personally i have just bits of info i've been learning thru years, but i struggle with chords building also

Like i know intervals, which mostly helps to build a chord, but then idk where to go with the harmony

[atomic tangle]

I love it, the most unique sounding girl group at the moment imo

[solar canopy]

Gotta give them another listen, didn't really click with the initial song they released but ditto was pretty good

[serene star]

there were essays i read from twitter and what makes NewJeans so popular is not just the 90s vibe of it

but the purpose of it

it aims for youth women which is perfect for them

[trim ledge]

if i didn't just wake up I'd figure it out for you
maybe after breakfast

ok i think I have some
Dmaj7 C#min7 F#min7 Bmin7 Bbmaj7b5 Amaj7 scroll down for the correct chords

haven't quite gotten the chromatic descending thing at the end to sound right, I'll get back to it later when I have a piano in front of me

[winged fulcrum]

Same

And I’m quite fucked since French notes are different to us ones so I’m lost

[trim ledge]

i never found it too hard to convert between letter note names and solfege note names (I'm Italian so i also use those)

if you remember that fa is F and letters wrap around after G

cheat sheet
C = do
D = ré
E = mi
F = fa
G = sol
A = la
B = si

[winged fulcrum]

🙏

[trim ledge]

ok fixed it
the actual chords of ditto are
Dmaj7 C#min7 F#min7 Bmin7 Bb7b5 Amaj7 C#m/G# C#dim/G F#

played

ok the last chord is actually more like F#7 without the third

same (and with last chord fixed) but i play one note at a time if you're not good at chord notation

the individual notes would be
D2 A2 C#3 F#3
C#2 G#2 B2 E3
F#1 A2 C#3 E3
B1 D3 F#3 A3
Bb1 D3 E3 Ab3
A1 C#3 E3 G#3
G#1 C#3 E3 G#3
G1 C#3 E3 G3
F#1 C#3 E3 F#3

[atomic tangle]

Awww thanks for taking your time

Really satisfying progression, idk why but for me has like a old doo wop or smth like that kind of quality, and that on top of the modern beat makes a super interesting combo

[atomic tangle]

I'll study this later, seeing the notes on the piano roll makes it easier to understand the voice leading

[trim ledge]

well, the general structure of the progression is in that ballpark
doo-wop progression is I-vi-IV-V right? replace the IV with a ii, start from vi and you get vi-ii-V-I
ditto is IV-iii-vi-ii-subV-I
by subV i mean the V is being tritone substituted

[atomic tangle]

Woahh so i wasn't that far lol

[trim ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6o6eIgRrHs

[atomic tangle]

Also makes a bit of sense being Hurt, the last song on their ep, a straight doo wop rip off with those "dum dum" bass notes, but with more RnBish flavor and groove

[trim ledge]

on tritone subs

doo-wop is like the first mainstream form of r&b so you'll see those kind of tropes pop up in modern r&b all the time

[atomic tangle]

Right right

It was meant to come around again

[trim ledge]

my piano playing is shite, held chords are easy

[atomic tangle]

At least you can come up with the chords

When i really feel inspired to do my own progression, i mostly try building it with arpeggios

Listening to each note makes it a bit more intuitive

[atomic tangle]

I can come up with some, but takes me a lot of time which makes inspiration go away

[atomic tangle]

The title is self explantory lol

I was messing around at work with Ripchord and suddenly i found the chords there, so i did kinda of a remade

It lacks some at synth top melody that i'm sure is in the mix

[trim ledge]

what's ripchord

[atomic tangle]

Is a plugin to cheat your way into chords 😈

It comes with present, where each key of the piano plays a full chords, you can switch the tuning also, like this one that originally was in Dm if i'm not mistaken, and i raised it like 4 notes up

[trim ledge]

oh i know about scaler which does similar things

[atomic tangle]

Right

This is more limited tho, but still can add some random velocity and strum to notes, on top of exporting the midi afterward for further editing

[trim ledge]

yeah just looked into it

pretty cool, i might get it and make myself some presets to quickly try out things

[atomic tangle]

I think that in the web page there are already presets, to download, but ofc you can make your own in the plugin and save em for later

[trim ledge]

yeah i'm aware

it's more that i'd use it less like a repository of chord progression ideas (which I assume is how most presets are laid out) and more like a quick way to play any chord I can think of without having to worry about how it looks on the keyboard

say, there's a mode in my midi controller where I can assign a chord to any of the 16 pads available, which is sort of the same thing as ripchord
I laid it out so that the first row would have all the diatonic chords in a C major scale, and the second row would have all the secondary dominants to those chords
something like ripchord would allow me to have more than 16 chords and easily transpose them to any key

[atomic tangle]

Ahhh that sounds like a smart idea

[lone socket]

I know nothing about music but always interested to learn something about music so i open fl studio and then i closed.

Even if i can learn mixing that will be great

Any suggestions where to start?

[solar canopy]

@lone socket The tutorials are not on free plugins because FabFilter made these (I personally use their plugins), but they are really well made, and the visuals in the plugins will probably help you understand things. I would recommend starting with this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6e8wfdmIuLGALV-6x3arKIK2Hw5Mjlxx

And then moving to this when you're done with it: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6e8wfdmIuLEDpO3rd5jORcqsLrxCe9wX

[winged fulcrum]

There is a lot of way to start doing things, watch tutorials, try things and also watch music production streams, idk what genre you’re listening to but go check noisia, nasko or disciple channel if you are into bass music

[paper zinc]

ooo i should check some of this out after work

[pallid spindle]

since you’re an fl studio as well i recommend checking out in the mix’s tutorials on youtube! he covers mixing and masting tutorials in fl studio AND gives fl studio tutorials and i have found his videos to be very helpful and easy to understand.

if you don’t have any sound kits already, i would recommend checking out r/drumkits on reddit. i get about 95% of my kits from there and the majority of them are pretty good (or at least the one’s i’ve downloaded). the other 5% are paid kits and splice kits.

splice is just a subscription program where you choose a plan (ranging from $10/month to $30/month) and with each different plan you get a certain amount of credits that you use to get sound kits.

with the $10 plan, you get 100 credits. with the $20 plan, you get 200.
and with the $30 plan, you get 500.

me personally, i use splice a lot! there are a lot of great kits on there, so i’m sure you can find a kit that you really like easily.

https://youtube.com/@inthemix

here’s the link to his channel^

[lone socket]

Thanks

I made this way back using some samples 😅
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-tyY9UHVaD/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[pallid spindle]

very nice

also! i should add:

lunch77 makes some great kits on reddit, i suggest you check their kits out because honestly their kits are what i use the most and there are plenty of great sounds in there

i also have made like two drum kits last year myself, i'll drop them in here soon

[solar canopy]

@lone socket @pallid spindle @winged fulcrum @atomic tangle I just tagged everyone who I remember might do sample more based music. If £50 doesn't sound like too much for you, you might wanna checks Wave Alchemy's current holiday offer. It has 30,000 drum samples, and demos on the page if any of them sound like what you're looking for. And for what I have used, Wave Alchemy's stuff sound really good, but I have yet to do much sample based stuff in general. https://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/product/beat-lab/

[winged fulcrum]

Oof I need to see that

Now I will take 50 hours to find the perfect snare

[solar canopy]

Might take a while indeed since this is the snare drum count

[pallid spindle]

definitely will look into it

[winged fulcrum]

[winged fulcrum]

Fine I’ll have an excuse now to not finish things

[pallid spindle]

going through the sound demos right now

[winged fulcrum]

If only I had any stems of any loona’s songs

Can’t make proper mix..

[solar canopy]

I don't know where you're at with music making, but might wanna check the tutorials I linked. I went to study film audio for 3 years, and some of the stuff on those videos are explained better than in my school. Also why I like them is because they go in a good order, and cover all bases, so you don't have to rely on hundreds of different "5 best tips for X" type of videos.

[trim ledge]

this is what stuff like XO exists for 🤣

[solar canopy]

Exactly

[pallid spindle]

https://we.tl/t-IOZCIxOvxG

my kits if any are interested

[atomic tangle]

Making a lil beat with these rn while at work

Drums sound nice, trappy stuff but with a twist

[atomic tangle]

On top of what has been said earlier, just start by having fun, make a mess, twist knobs, listen how it sounds. With time you'll realize which sounds, samples and kits works for your taste.

Also try to reference music that you like, is a good ear training for sound selection, chords, melodies even mixing, and learning the basics of the genres you like

[winged fulcrum]

Having fun is the most important thing

[atomic tangle]

Yea

But the hardest is to strike a balance between fun and having some dedication and a method to your craft

At least that's the mindsed i'm holding for a while

[atomic tangle]

Ok here it is, just a loop to check out some drummies

Idk why how to get rid of that digital clip, tried some sidechain thinking it was the 808 - kick relationship but noup lol

Probably is because is not leveled and/or EQd at all

[winged fulcrum]

Sounds clean on speaker lol, what bpm is this ?

[atomic tangle]

Oh nice

Hmmm let me see

154 bpm

Kinda a standard bpm for trap i guess

[winged fulcrum]

Idk I’m stuck with 140-150 for deep dubstep thing but sometimes I listen to 110bpm sounding like 140…

[atomic tangle]

Hmmm

[winged fulcrum]

Even sometime 164 sounds like 140

[atomic tangle]

110 is a pretty versatily bpm

[atomic tangle]

Geez lol

Weird perception of speed let me say

[winged fulcrum]

https://open.spotify.com/track/30x0oEG0ZSNGzccTM6FHGT?si=dmC3WCpYTkSCRng5YjzW2w

This is 110

https://open.spotify.com/track/5ZCaUabLzxXj41G3ysTopd?si=pghmNu3FSWK9uvC53wtRVQ

This 164

According to Beatport

[atomic tangle]

Huh and is even halftimed (not every snare on 2 and 4)

Every bpm has its own groove imo

Then there are various ways make the beat around it

[winged fulcrum]

I need to study this

[atomic tangle]

Not my type of music lol, so i can't suggest anything 🤷‍♂️

Dubstep sound desing is super advanced for my little brain

Wobs and woaaows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZu9kc9CkSc how appropiate lmao

[upper parrot]

my entry about to be done yall

[atomic tangle]

Fuckin algorithm, thanks for the suggetions but you creep me out

[atomic tangle]

Yoooo let's gooo

I haven't even start to thinking about it ngl

[winged fulcrum]

The Loona cord tune ?

[atomic tangle]

Yup

There wasn't a due date or anything still, but is cool if people are already coming with stuff

[winged fulcrum]

I started with pale blue dot but I’m not feeling it atm I’ll try other songs

[winged fulcrum]

time to do things

[winged fulcrum]

sheesh shortie snare already my go to snare

I will turn this into 140 dubstep

i really like those samples

[winged fulcrum]

update : not a thing that im used to produce

[pallid spindle]

i forgot to say this yesterday but this applies to all aspects of music creation:

do what sounds good, not what looks good

99% of people won't be able to tell which plugins you used to make whatever music you're making, so don't feel like you have to get the most expensive stuff to make great music :]

[pallid spindle]

yeah for sure! i myself have a few things that i can submit for the tape already

i think we should probably touch base w everyone though to see where they're at and probably establish a due date

[atomic tangle]

Agree

As i said, i'm still behind lol, idk if o should start with a beat then picking the right acapella

or the other way round

[trim ledge]

that's 140 according to my tapping

[trim ledge]

and this is 139

weird af that beatport of all places would give wrong BPMs

[pallid spindle]

honestly it can go both ways, whichever works best for you

[serene star]

Antifragile but Cyberpunk

[atomic tangle]

Haaaaaaaaaard 🔥 🔥 🔥

Just the vocals seems to raise the volume just after Kazuha's lovey lovey part, maybe is cus is a more empty section, or really the volume just went up

Other than, is super cool

[solar canopy]

Sick synths mate. What did you use to make them?

[winged fulcrum]

Usually I’m not a big fan of cyberpunk type but this one is really cool, not too agressive and the vocals make the thing better I think maybe that’s why

👏

[serene star]

no lol, it's a mashup with a free copyright music

[atomic tangle]

LMAOOO

Well played

We have a couple mashupers over here

[solar canopy]

I see

[serene star]

just wanted to see a cyberpunk remix for antifragile but couldn't find it anywhere so i decided to make myself one lol

[solar canopy]

Instantly heard it as a metal version after that, gotta make it myself

[serene star]

https://youtu.be/HrGPAE1iJlk

this was the track i used to mash it up

[solar canopy]

Interesting

I don't understand you mashup people, do you just go to search something that fits or how do you approach it usually?

[trim ledge]

i usually do mashups between songs, so the approach Mariya used here (using a royalty free beat) is a bit unusual for me

as for how i choose songs to pair, it's usually because of some musical similarity i wanna bring attention to, and possibly get a laugh out of people

[trim ledge]

example https://clyp.it/oxkn3y5d
punchline comes about 35 seconds in

[winged fulcrum]

fiooof

Im sweating

[serene star]

that's bc cyberpunk music genre is very rare

[trim ledge]

yeah but that very approach (thinking of a style of music I'd like to see a song in and then looking for a way to make it happen) is different from how I approach mashups

[serene star]

well tbf this approach was new to me

[pallid spindle]

just checking in: how are we all doing with the submissions ?

[celest bough]

Did I miss something?

[pallid spindle]

no not really, just simply checking in lol

although i am thinking we establish a due date

[celest bough]

I thought we were still waiting on some more details but yeah I didn't take any action yet

[pallid spindle]

ohh ok

do you need the link to the doc by any chance? in case you wanna brainstorm some ideas or suggest anything for the project

[celest bough]

I did some initial brainstorming in the doc already but haven't looked since

[pallid spindle]

ah okay

[winged fulcrum]

I will restart something this week end I’m not happy with what I did already

[pallid spindle]

nice nice

oh also if you guys have multiple submissions feel free to get those in as well!

@atomic tangle @winged fulcrum @upper parrot @snow pagoda @languid drum @celest bough @solar canopy

i apologize for the mass mention but if any of you have anything that you want to submit to me right now please dm me!

submissions will go in this folder, due date not established yet

[solar canopy]

@pallid spindle My Star cover has basically been nearly ready for 2 months now, I'm just distracted by other projects which still require playing guitars, since that surprisingly is my favorite part. I got instrumental version that I need to play the leads to, that is being held back because I need to change strings to my main lead guitar, which is being held back because I want to do comparison between some really old and new strings. I also got version with the original vocals ripped. In general, I need to add some more synths and figure out how faithful I want to be to the original (or just do multiple versions).

I also kinda want to do a video (not just for star), which would mean buying some midi controllable lights and lasers and learn to program those to sync with the music, but that has to wait for longer. Also I don't like releasing unfinished things because I know I can do better.

[pallid spindle]

got it

i don't wanna rush this project, like i do want this to be more than just a compilation of loona remixes

i was thinking once the submissions are finalized we can make a little teaser video, however that would mean that we would have to bring in people that edit videos (assuming no one here edits videos), but i don't want that to be the focus of right now. for now i think it's more important to get the submissions finalized and then we can see what we wanna do from there !

[winged fulcrum]

Ye this could be nice to get a teaser video

[molten mulch]

Hello! I have kind of randomly been working on a Dancing On My Own remix but I'm super beginner so I don't want to submit anything subpar... can people be maybes on the project?!

[pallid spindle]

we're always open to getting more people involved!

skill and experience doesn't matter that much here, this is all purely for fun

[molten mulch]

ok thank you! I've tried to read up these comments and saved some of the info you guys have all shared here

[pallid spindle]

yup!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KQQ4_cBMZFQxcrDGtW-UZGT0DtlQz0JYFcUcGlOYmY4/edit

here is the shared google doc if you ever wanna throw out some ideas

[molten mulch]

I added my stuff, thanks!

[pallid spindle]

yup!

feel free to add to that doc whenever you want to

answering your comment @molten mulch :

i said this earlier but i was thinking that we have everyone mix and/or master their own submission if they want to but if someone wants someone else to mix and/or master their submission then that can work as well

in addition: if the original creator wants their project to be mixed and/or mastered a specific way they can leave notes for the engineer

the whole reason behind that is because if we just send everything off for one person to mix and or master then it might not turn out the way the original creator wanted it to turn out

[languid hamlet]

Oh TIL this exists

Time to dump a lot of my mashups later when I get home from work

[pallid spindle]

lets gooo

aye you down to be part of the project?

[winged fulcrum]

Don’t’ worry, I’m super trash overall and I might do something I’m not used to for the compilation, just enjoy what you are making

[languid hamlet]

What project

[winged fulcrum]

The Loona cord compilation, each of us make a tune (remix, mashup, bootleg, refix, cover) with any Loona song or content

[pallid spindle]

exactly that^

[languid hamlet]

Lemme think about it

[pallid spindle]

we're always open to getting more people involved !

no worries if you don't choose to participate

[serene star]

seems to be interesting

[gloomy hound]

sending this message just so this channel shows up in my menu lol

[fringe laurel]

Test

[gloomy hound]

whats the timeframe on this project?

and does it matter if people choose the same song?

[pallid spindle]

as of right now there is no timeframe, i'm thinking that we all just take our time with our submissions and this whole entire project so that we all put our best work

and to me at least it doesn't matter if people choose the same song, iirc two people did a remix for dance on my own

let me know if you're willing to participate and i'll add you to the participants list!

[gloomy hound]

for now i'll hold off since im on vacation but maybe i will join after im back home!

[pallid spindle]

sounds good!

[serene star]

@fringe laurel

[fringe laurel]

Will look later

Also did you get my mention?

[serene star]

ye

pretty cool

[upper parrot]

dm for collab to this loonacord proj

[celest bough]

https://youtu.be/3-vUGkxUnB4

Which one of you did this?

[pallid spindle]

LOLLLL

i saw that while i was just going through loona discography on apple music one time

[serene star]

Ven para (Revamped ver.)
Sources:
Weeekly - Ven para
LOONA - PTT (ZSunder's Reimagined ver.)

[pallid spindle]

holy

this is insanely hard

[winged fulcrum]

Meh, I’m still stuck for the compilation, still don’t know what to do I’m hesitating a lot

[winged fulcrum]

got this on loop for 5min straight

[pallid spindle]

you have all the time in the world don't stress

just eff around a bunch and see where it takes ya

[pallid spindle]

hey! some of you might know this already but i am working on my 3rd drum kit, i'm planning to have it out by the end of this week

i'll send a little teaser with the sounds from the kit soon

[trim ledge]

nice
you posted two kits? i only saw one

[pallid spindle]

i did yes

[pallid spindle]

this

not sure if the link is still available

[winged fulcrum]

I really like this pack, already started 3 projects with this one

Life kick my fav

[solar canopy]

Finally changed the strings on my lead guitar

[atomic tangle]

Ahh nothing better than fresh strings

Those bridges are a mess to change strings, right?

[solar canopy]

Nah, I have a magic tool for that

[atomic tangle]

Allen key?

Also with practice one get used to it

[solar canopy]

Stack of coins taped together under it

So it stays approximately where it was set previously

Like this

[atomic tangle]

Woah lol

True life hack

[solar canopy]

Aye, when it was in tune with the coins I was only about half step off without them, so takes like 15 seconds from there

I guess not knowing something like this is why people think floating trems are pain to change strings with, this is not necessarily something you think until you have spent some time with one

[atomic tangle]

Right

Share the knowledge then

[atomic tangle]

Super strat type vibe

Shredding like a mad man

[pallid spindle]

haha thank you

i really appreciate it truly

[solar canopy]

I have 5 total but the one in the picture is Ibanez RG8540ZD-DLL

I was thinking tomorrow when I have some sunlight, all of them seem black blobs otherwise thanks to my bad phone camera

Nice, I've heard good things about scheters, specifically that one too

What kinds of issues?

I see, might be tricky to fix if you don't have the eye for it. I once got my guitar to a local luthier, wondering for days what's wrong, and when I showed it to him he watched it for like 7 seconds and told everything that was wrong

[solar canopy]

I think most luthiers have seen worse than some fret buzz, don't you worry

[serene star]

I Promise (Clarity ver.)
Sauces:
GIRLS RE:VERSE - I Promise
Zedd - Clarity (Instrumental)

[pallid spindle]

hi all, my 3rd kit is gonna be out very soon

i just gotta get my gumroad set up and it'll be up for sale!

[atomic tangle]

Aye paulo gettin that bread 🤑 👏

[solar canopy]

@solid fiber Aight I'm gonna spam the guitars in the order I acquired them

Ibanez S5470F-RVK. My first really good guitar, and still might be my favorite. I've basically grown with it.

Fender American Standard Strat. Some six years later from the Ibanez, I was feeling the blues real bad, and the only cure for that is to get a strat. So I bought one.

Ibanez RG8540ZD-DLL. I've been eyeing the J.Custom models from the year I got my first Ibanez, so around 11 years. Sold in very limited numbers here, it's like a rare species. One beautiful day I saw one hit the used market with specs I would be happy with, so I went to try it out, and walked out with it. Plays like a dream.

Fender Yngwie Malmsteen Strat. I've been a fan of Malmsteen's music for some time, but was mostly interested in the scalloped fretboard. I've tried it in a shop few times, but it's too short to form an final opinion, so I bought one used with a decent price. I really like the scalloped fretboard, and it's definitely going to be a feature on my eventual custom guitar. What I don't care about is all the vintage features the fender has, like 21 frets, six screw tremolo, and massive block of a neck joint. Guitars have evolved a bit from the 50's after all.

Solar AB1.7 C. I've been thinking about seven strings for a long time, was interested in the evertune bridge, and Solar guitars as a whole, so this kinda ticked all of the boxes. Played it a while in regular seven string tuning, but now it's in G-D-A-D-G-B-E. I basically never touch anything but the lowest three strings currently. Brilliant guitar for the money, but I think I'm gonna switch it for baritone equivalent at some point as I have yet to find use for seven strings.

[atomic tangle]

Brooo those strats are tasty asf

[solar canopy]

8 strings are bit more on the chopping board territory, very rarely anyone even utilizes more then few bottom strings

[celest bough]

That's not very thall of you

[solar canopy]

It really opens up a whole different game of vibrato as there is no wood on the way

Also thing I've never seen anyone mention on scalloped fretboard, playing chords that utilize thumb are much easier to play since you don't have to go fully around the fretboard

[atomic tangle]

Ok now make a demo of each

[solar canopy]

Oh boy, might have to now

[atomic tangle]

Lol no pressure

[pallid spindle]

https://kojikilled.gumroad.com
kits are officially up for sale! i know some of you have vol 1-2 already but if you still wanna support me you are more than welcome to :]

[winged fulcrum]

sheesh

will check later

[atomic tangle]

Heejin being the bundle

[pallid spindle]

appreciate it

[pallid spindle]

i think i might make this one of my submissions for the tape

[winged fulcrum]

I need my headphone for that, did you tweak the vocals, sounds a bit slower

[pallid spindle]

yeah the original song is 138bpm

i slowed it down to like 135

somewhere around there haha

[atomic tangle]

https://gfycat.com/naivefrightenedeft

Fire fire fire

[winged fulcrum]

Yea i like it

[pallid spindle]

thank u guys

[atomic tangle]

I did this today, not the Loona beat still

If you have feedback specially in the mix, pls do

[pallid spindle]

drums knock so hard holy

that kick and bass scratches my brain in all the right spots

i would want the guitar to be a bit more transient and a little louder, so i suggest throwing on a transient shaper on the guitar and turning up the attack just a bit

snare could also use just a little bit of transient shaping too

other than that great beat, i loooove how hard the kick and bass hits

[atomic tangle]

Thank u lots

[atomic tangle]

Yea, it was too at the front maybe? I tried to soft it a bit just with volume

It knocks, but a little too much imo

[pallid spindle]

mmm i see

not sure if you do this already, awesome if you already do, but since the guitar and the snare are sort of the focal point as far as critique, i would solo just the guitar with the snare and tweak each as necessary and then play it back with the rest to hear how it sounds afterward

[atomic tangle]

Gotcha, making room for each sound

I'll check that

[pallid spindle]

yup!

there's a million ways we could go about getting things to sit the way we want it in the mix, but the way i would personally go about mixing the guitar specifically is that i would first do a bit of compression, nothing too crazy probably a medium attack with a relatively fast release, then i would throw on a transient shaper like i said earlier and turn up the attack just a bit to accentuate the plucked notes, and depending how it sounds after compression and transient shaping i would do a bit of saturation just to add some of those harmonics and to get it to sit a bit better with everything else

but these are just words, the main takeaway is to just mess around and do what sounds good

[atomic tangle]

Hey you words are really valuable, i really mean it

You have you shit together lol

Thanks for your perspective, I'll take everything into account when i open the project

Still i'll expand on it

Structure it a bit more

[pallid spindle]

always! that's the beauty of sharing our processes with one another, we all learn something and we pick up things that we can add to our arsenal

[pallid spindle]

looking forward to it!!

[atomic tangle]

I'll go to bed now, see u around

Tomorrow i can share some of the drum sounds, if you like those

[pallid spindle]

for sure!

i was actually gonna ask where you got the hat and snare haha

[pallid spindle]

take care!

[atomic tangle]

There we go

[atomic tangle]

The hat is from a Memblem pack, the rim from a random pack i got on Gumroad

Now i'm not at home, when i come back i'll see where is from exactly

[pallid spindle]

thank you

[solar canopy]

Bit late to the party, but I can share some thoughts. The kick hits really hard, too hard I think, start with just lowering the volume, maybe soften the attack with compressor or limiter with fast attack. Bass sounds tiny bit distorted, not sure if it's a stylistic choice, but I would use cleaner tone here. Might also just be clashing with the kick on frequency and being affected by the kick being so loud. Synths and guitars could use some stereo depth, it's nearly mono right now, maybe try some panning. Mid/side EQ could do some tricks. Subtle stereo delay or reverb could work. I really like a tiny bit of chorus for stereo space too, like 5-10% and mild settings just to add some movement without changing the entire sound.

Also remember that when you're playing with bass, your ears will very quickly get used to the level of too much bass, and anything less will sound thin for a while, so remember to keep breaks from blasting your ears. Keeping reference songs in the session can help to remind you of a "good" mix or a style you're after.

[atomic tangle]

Yooo thanks for the feedback

I agree on the drums part, for the style are too hard and at front

Kinda like it tho, but i will tame them more

Also guitar have some chorus, i even test it on a shitty speaker and it lost in the mix, like is too wide and there is not mono information

That's why i hate mixing lmao, how the fuck i achieve the same sound in every device

I don't have speakers and produce on shitty earbuds

So if someone wanna give it a try for me, let me know and i'll share the stems

[solar canopy]

You don't, it just needs to sound acceptable on everything. Not even a million dollar mixing space is going to save you from the fact that people watch movies on TV speakers and listen to music through phone speakers, it will sound relatively terrible to the space it was mixed on and it pains my soul. That's what monitors are for, to hear everything accurately. Consumer speakers and headphones don't strive for accuracy and are more forgiving in example in bass response. I can dig some great reading material on the subject if you're interested.

[solar canopy]

Also I could try, tho music mixing is yet not my strongest suit

[atomic tangle]

Ok, after some more arrangement and structuring i'll drop it here

I'll keep working with that mix also, i have to pick reference to compare to

I never did that properly

[solar canopy]

@atomic tangle Still highly recommend the tutorials I have linked before if you haven't watched them, they really clear a lot of question marks.

About the making it sound right on every device and mixing in general, here's some excellent: https://stash.reaper.fm/v/3107/wdyrsla_061709.pdf
Yes, it is 261 pages, don't necessarily set a goal to read it in a day, or a week. Learning to mix and master is going to take way more than that.

[pallid spindle]

i'll give it a shot!

[pallid spindle]

oooh this is something that i deal with a fuck ton and the way i go about this is using an imager plugin

there's quite a few out there, but i use izotope's ozone imager 2 just because it's free and really simple to use! what i do is that i throw on a utility plugin on the master and switch back and forth between mono and stereo and turn down the stereo width until i feel satisfied with how it sounds both in mono and in stereo. in addition to that, i would be soloing that really wide sound with something that's right in the middle (808, clap, etc). it's all about just finding a middle ground between two extremes.

[pallid spindle]

and as far as getting mixes to translate well across different devices, i just throw on an eq plugin on the master and set a highpass filter at around 200hz at 12db/octave and a lowpass filter at around 4000hz at that same slope. what i do with this then is that i only allow myself to make eq cuts or boosts within that 200-4000hz range and try to get it to sound as best as i possibly can without going outside that frequency range.

i don't entirely mix like this though, i go back and forth to try to hear how the mix sounds with that filter and in mono and then compare it to how it sounds without that filter and in stereo. again, it's all about finding that middle ground.

[winged fulcrum]

I really like that, like others said kick is too loud and I found that the guitar is quite low and not too wide but maybe a creative choice so I won't "contest" but overall it's something good to listen

[atomic tangle]

Thank u y'all for real, for taking your time to notice and explain those things, much appreciated

[pallid spindle]

always! happy to help :]

[winged fulcrum]

[atomic tangle]

https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/01/16/lifeline-console-lite-free/ yoyo check this, kinda like RC-20 type plugin, but with its own unique flavor. Also if i not mistaken you can upgrade it to the full version afterwards for $20

[winged fulcrum]

Hmm o think I have this one from plug-in boutique I need to check if I have the full version

[atomic tangle]

Yea, you can get it in plugin boutique with a code

The full version gets you access to the advanced settings for futher editing of the sound

But idk, just having a compressor in there makes it super handy for giving glue to busses and stuff

[serene star]

https://twitter.com/andresagitari35/status/1438460463499464708?t=_Pmeb4xW-s2zLoBkanuzXA&s=19

andresagitari35 (@andresagitari35)

After Stereotype

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 16, 2021, 11:11 AM

[languid hamlet]

i thought it's stereotype x after like...

[pallid spindle]

LOL me too

[atomic tangle]

Today's beat made at work

Yes i like tape stops

[trim ledge]

fun fact: that effect is way easier to obtain on record players than tape machines, no idea why we call it tape stop

[pallid spindle]

oh wow

never knew that haha good to know

[atomic tangle]

I guess both create similar effects, but with its particular sound

Like physcally are two totally different materials, tape and vinyl

[pallid spindle]

to those participating in the remix project:

how are we all doing with the submissions? any questions or comments you have? suggestions?

can't ping everyone cause it's too much but hopefully everyone sees lol

me personally i have a good handful of things i can make my submissions, i think my main one being my singing in the rain remix that i sent in here a week ago

let me know where you all are at though and we can see what we'll do from there

[winged fulcrum]

Im stuck

Idk how I want to make this and there is a lot of vocals that I want to use

[pallid spindle]

mmm i see

what do you plan on doing ?

as in what kind of beat you plan to make

[celest bough]

I suck and don't think I'll start until February. If y'all need to leave me behind, no hard feelings

[pallid spindle]

we're in no rush here, take all the time that you need

[winged fulcrum]

Hmm idk really drum and bass, melodic dubstep maybe, Lofi ? Drill type beat idk

I tried over pale bleu dot not friends dance on my own still nothing good

[pallid spindle]

keep trying! like i just said we're in no rush so if you get stuck or don't come up with anything don't stress

[shadow terrace]

Anyone else here Sing?

[pallid spindle]

i do not, some others might do but this forum is primarily based around music production

[full fern]

a little bit

[shadow terrace]

Then is there one for singing/playing instruments?

[pallid spindle]

mmm i don't think so

i think you can make your own forum though!

first time doing a mashup

[atomic tangle]

Personally i think this can be a space to music making in a broad sense, so singers can hang and share stuff here

The more, the merrier

[gloomy hound]

i think so too

[shadow terrace]

I'll share some things I record then

[pallid spindle]

that is true ya

this forum is pretty much anything music making

[pallid spindle]

very very nice

the only thing that i have to say about that recording is the background noise

what do you use to record if you don't mind me asking?

[shadow terrace]

This was just on my phone

I have better recording stuff but no place to set it up yet

[pallid spindle]

ahh i see i see

what do you have as far as actual recording gear?

[shadow terrace]

A Monitor, a fancy mic and quality headphones

[pallid spindle]

awesome

[shadow terrace]

Yea. Once I have a desk setup and even a little bit of wall padding I will start recording more

[pallid spindle]

nice!

i heard you can get away with recording in a closet

i'm not the most experienced as far as recording engineering goes though i just know the basics and a bit more haha

[shadow terrace]

Yea. I've looked up all that XD but my closet(s) are full 😆

[pallid spindle]

hmm but wouldn't that be better? more acoustic treatment ig lol

[shadow terrace]

No room for recording materials

[gloomy hound]

yeah i moved into a new apartment, havent tried yet but was planning on recording from my closet lol

[atomic tangle]

Right lol

The thing is not having unwanted reflexions or reverb on your recordings

Then the method can vary

Surrounded by matresses, cloth, whatever

I'm sure in youtube has to be some tutorial for recording vocals at home

[pallid spindle]

if anything though you can probably get a de-noise plugin/app

[atomic tangle]

Yea for sure

[pallid spindle]

izotope rx for example although it is pretty expensive

[atomic tangle]

Crack that RX

[pallid spindle]

||me||

[atomic tangle]

Lool

[pallid spindle]

but you didn't hear that from me!

[atomic tangle]

I left my time of crackin plugins long ago

Can get out of hand

[pallid spindle]

i largely use free/paid plugins now

[atomic tangle]

Yea same

I think i have a couple cracked still tho

The valhalla ones lol

[pallid spindle]

yeah same

valhalla and fabfilter

[atomic tangle]

🤝

Ahh those are ones i would like

The Fabfilter Eq

[pallid spindle]

pro q 3 is great

[atomic tangle]

Yea super handy and intuitive it seems

[pallid spindle]

yup!

same goes for all of the other fabfilter plugins tbh

[atomic tangle]

Then the limiter and their saturation plugs seems nice

[pallid spindle]

i use saturn 2 pretty heavily

[atomic tangle]

Right right

[pallid spindle]

yeahhh exactly what i was gonna say

[atomic tangle]

All round high quality stuff

With Soundtoys

And a couple waves plugs

[pallid spindle]

oh yeah i wanna get soundtoys someday

[atomic tangle]

Same

[pallid spindle]

i remember using the crap out of decapitator when i had my trial period LOL

[atomic tangle]

Just the Effect Rack is aight

Like is a bunch of those in one

[atomic tangle]

Did you got Little Radiator when was free?

Idk if still is

[pallid spindle]

wait what

when was that

[atomic tangle]

Pretty nice tube like thingy

Ahhh can't remember lol

While ago

Yea in november

[pallid spindle]

daamn i wish i had heard about it while it was still around haha

[atomic tangle]

You slept on it

[pallid spindle]

maaaan

20 days late

[atomic tangle]

Is a simple one

Not the big radiator

Still cool

For busses and stuff

[pallid spindle]

got it

[atomic tangle]

To add warmth and mojo

You know, that analog feel

[pallid spindle]

patiently waiting for ua to add little labs vog to uad spark

[atomic tangle]

You have an ua interface???

💸

[pallid spindle]

nahhh i wish

[atomic tangle]

lol

[pallid spindle]

i have the plugin subscription though

pretty great stuff ima be completely honest

[atomic tangle]

Woah

Super cool

UA stuff top tier fr fr