two days before there was meant to be a meeting with the US
#Misc Chat
eager parrot
marsh oracle
i mean every member of this admin has been bullshitting their way through congress hearings so idk about that
half heath
Schumer is a clown
eager parrot
He's just old
Trump's one promise he really needs to deliver on is term limits for these dinosaurs
something like 70-80% of congress would not be able to run again if term limits were set at two
closer to 50% if it was set to 4 terms even...
that's pathetic
the whole city's just its own completely out of touch world
once they get elected, their 'representation' goes out the window, the honor contract with their voter base is nonexistent
half heath
The system won't change for a long time and Trump is more likely to erase term limits for presidency than do something that makes sense
eager parrot
only their own interests and their lobbyists' interests are represented
marsh oracle
maybe start with term limits for the people you dont elect every 2/6 years like supreme court justices
eager parrot
at least age limits
half heath
its all fantasy nothing that will threaten their power will be changed through the system
marsh oracle
Passing term limits has happened quite a lot historically
But a lot of them will just be thrown out by somebody a few years later lmao
Also as always the voting population in the us just doesnt care enough about the issue for anything to change
Something something prisons to surgerys in transgender something something
half heath
Also as always the voting population in the us just doesnt care enough about the...
Some might be too dumb but I think the rest if properly informed could make some change. But idk
I think the worst part of all this is how much bullshit is now getting buried. A normal person can't even care about all this at once.
And it almost makes it feel like people lose interest in one cause to deal with another greater cause
trim flicker
cool
i saw it pop up but was sleepy af so didn't watch
will watch later but what you said does sound like classic Netanyahu behavior so 
iran is just like me being days away from finishing a commission but never finishing it
fossil basin
FxTwitter
blazing depot
ICE facing off with Dodgers fans would be pretty funny tbh
And end way worse for them than any of the protests they been confronted with
Sports fans don't play around
In funnier news
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ANd the inevitable person asking Grok how long that stuff can be detected getting this
half heath
gonna get scary when grok starts showing bias
marsh oracle
openai put out an interesting paper about how trying to get an llm to give bad information in one area will always lead to it outputting bad info in other areas as well
half heath
very interesting
but who knows if its also something they put out there to lower skepticism about its responses
its actually pretty cool to read all the stuff they're testing
reminds me of how the first AIs we saw trained off like social media that was insanely toxic
fossil basin
marsh oracle
Ah thats what make america great again meant
https://fxtwitter.com/Breaking911/status/1935552497587822884 crazy plot twist at 2:30 here
brave pelican
no llm could ever replace the mannerisms of discord edating though
haughty steppe
https://fxtwitter.com/Breaking911/status/1935552497587822884 crazy plot twist at...
Bruh
half heath
eager parrot
What country isn't on the verge of recession nowadays
half heath
its kinda interesting cause I did see Putin saying he was ready to talk about ending the war
My government pledged like 5 B for Ukraine
Ukraine might actually have the cards unlike what Trump was saying
eager parrot
except they apparently just pulled a major portion of Ukraine's air defenses in favor of Israel
so I don't know, I foresee continued stalemate and maybe ceasefire, but no real solution
half heath
I mean the other side of that is probably Russia not receiving any more aid from Iran as well
eager parrot
Was always funny to me that it was even a thing, a country like Russia relying on Iranian military aide. But also funny to see Putin and his people completely dismissing helping Iran right now.
half heath
Idk if complete dismissal is what I call it. They arent joining in like US did but the relationship is different. Putin said he wanted to negotiate the deal between Israel and Iran, told US not to join, and even I think made a statement about Russian scientists in Iran. I don't think they could or even want to join in out right but there seems to be attempts to influence it. Like even the maga division seems rooted in Russian intervention.
supple dragon
I mean the other side of that is probably Russia not receiving any more aid from...
oh good point
blazing depot
No more Thanksgiving and Christmas off you lazy fucks
4th of July more like clocking in at 4 am
It's not like the US already has the lowest rate of holidays and vacation time out of pretty much all western countries
Watch his base somehow agree
proud tulip
he's a man of the people, he asked all the workers and they agreed with him
marsh oracle
The second coming of karl marx
haughty steppe
Sure I guess
half heath
keep in mind its motivated by right wing sentiment about juneteenth
dreamy ledge
"for every once"
ocean vigil
eager parrot
He's more incoherent than usual
blazing depot
What tf is he even saying
last eagle
we'll see what happens 
proud tulip
how many of the countries he named could he point to on a map
fossil basin
dire canopy
Ea-nāṣir strikes again
hoary charm
kinda funny how grok became just the twitter bot
3 had hype behind it, just to get mogged hard by everything else
no one uses it
last eagle
@gork is this :true:
marsh oracle
When the main guy behind it is very very openly manipulating it, not really surprising
hoary charm
sure but we both know how consumer side and api side works
marsh oracle
Anyway, here's what you need to know about the white genocide in south africa
hoary charm
i can use it in cursor rn but wouldnt because its utter dogshit
fossil basin
3 had hype behind it, just to get mogged hard by everything else
if i want information i'd rather use like gemini than rely on elon (not a propper by anymeans, probably paid tools are better than what i occasionally use to research stuff or ask cooking advice)
marsh oracle
Oh thats what you mean
fossil basin
if i want information i'd rather use like gemini than rely on elon (not a proppe...
which, i could use some advice on free or inexpensive tools if you could give some, i am not as proficient in these
blazing depot
Actually Telegram is pretty much dead in the water. Russia are releasing a mandatory telegram clone app that officially spies on all users for the government
Pretty sure banning Telegram is next
marsh oracle
Elon saying we will have superintelligence by next year really reassured me
Means it wont happen in the next 10
fossil basin
Actually Telegram is pretty much dead in the water. Russia are releasing a manda...
feels like creating their own great online firewalls is the penultimate goal for each government
dreamy ledge
man really going out of his way to make every futuristic dystopian scifi story a reality
blazing depot
Can he just fuck off to Mars already
last eagle
new drama dropped
https://twitter.com/Jacksepticeye/status/1936414232385581379
you won't believe what he refer to
marsh oracle
https://fxtwitter.com/DNIGabbard/status/1936174674595008517 terrible news for the tulsi stans
half heath
what a clown
Consent manufacturing at full speed now
also seems like pretty much done deal US joining no need to wait for trump to tell us
Real scary stuff I've been hearing about them wanting to use a "tactical" nuke on the facility. Seems like the worst possible solution
marsh oracle
Who even knows with trump at the helm
hoary charm
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livid frigate
terrifying
trim flicker
"now is the time for peace" me after bombing a country
eager parrot
"if you don't have nukes, you are vulnerable to us" great message to every country not aligned with the US and/or Israel
trim flicker
thank god this kinda behavior has never been proven to make things worse
livid frigate
the us war machine must rage on
half heath
Just happy we're in Nato and have been contributing so if this mad country ever decide they wants to force us for whatever reason at least Europe has to have our back. Its the absolute worst case scenario but recent events just make it seem like more of a threat than id ever considered
livid frigate
why would europe choose to enter this conflict. it makes no sense
half heath
wdym? Im talking about a hypothetical with Canada
livid frigate
very funny.
livid frigate
shadow elbow
right on
eager parrot
Just happy we're in Nato and have been contributing so if this mad country ever ...
Which European country would come to Canada's aid if the US seriously actually considers taking over by force?
I don't think any of them even have the force projection to do so let alone the will to fight against the US.
Hypothetically speaking of course.
hoary charm
does nato have a clause about being attacked by another nato country 🤔
half heath
as far as I know they do but I don't know if it considers another nato member being the aggressor
toxic spoke
12 bunker busters
source: NYT
hoary charm
half heath
Which European country would come to Canada's aid if the US seriously actually c...
Well we won't know because what's written in paper and what they're willing to do could always change. I wouldn't be surprised but I don't really know why else Canada would be so invested in Europe's effort to stop Russia by investing in Ukraine.
toxic spoke
this war brought to you by fanduel
half heath
The alliance falls apart the moment every country realises they arent gonna support each other and have to submit to US firepower
eager parrot
In my view, the alliance, as in NATO, only started to attract new members because of the fact that the US was providing most of the hardware and most of the funding, and they saw it as an opportunity to fall under the US defense umbrella
half heath
does nato have a clause about being attacked by another nato country 🤔
also consider why Ukraine tried to join the alliance
hoary charm
also consider why Ukraine tried to join the alliance
because russia invaded them and they wanted to westernize instead of submit to russia?
half heath
What i understand is that they understand the alliance solidifies that they won't be invaded again because Russia won't want to deal with more involvement from the west
eager parrot
The fact still remains that the defense of a NATO member by other NATO members has never really been tested in practice yet.
And certainly the idea of one NATO member offensive actions against another NATO member isn't even accounted for in the articles of the alliance.
half heath
yeah it hasnt but consider what the alliance means when one is able to be hostile to another
it would surely fall apart or it becomes a case where the other members are under the mercy of the US
It could happen now that im seeing how weak Europe has gotten now that they see Trump isn't above tyranny
half heath
The fact still remains that the defense of a NATO member by other NATO members h...
you could also always consider the idea that US gets kicked out of NATO that automatically would make their collective defense article activate. But if I'm being real its more likely that Canada is abandoned. Europe maybe designs a new treaty without the US or Canada
Imagine they latch onto China instead now that's some creative writing for a dystopian future
half heath
https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1936594149903606183?s=46
But back on topic, this is insane
Honestly unless they got something hidden, Iran really should submit
blazing depot
Honestly unless they got something hidden, Iran really should submit
They won't. This whole thing will get a lot uglier is what's gonna happen.
Also gotta love that these days countries just don't bother declaring war when they're very clearly at war any more, so they don't need to bother their respective legislative branches or anything like that.
It's very cool stuff
But hey, at least we can talk about it, cause it's not a war.
Speaking of said legislative, good to see that there are still critical voices out t... no wait.
https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1936602051431063760
The world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism
Damn, didn''t realize they struck the Saudis
eager parrot
When American-aligned allies do it, it's fine, perfectly reasonable totally-not-terrorism.
blazing depot
And by American-aligned you mean "invested in Trump ventures" I assume
ocean vigil
just gotta pay the indulgence
ruby helm
By not going through congress he can let republicans say that they don't think the bombing is the right idea, when they would had sided with trump and approved it if it had to go to an actual congressional vote
blazing depot
They're not saying that though
They're all like "HELL YEAH! BOMB THE SHIT OUTTA THEM!"
marsh oracle
Trump didnt wait 2 weeks huh?
blazing depot
It was a masterful ruse to make Iran feel safe, obviously
eager parrot
By not going through congress he can let republicans say that they don't think t...
a plurality of the democrats are cheering for it too, even ones that ran as liberal, progressives like this giant. https://x.com/SenFettermanPA/status/1936577707589935552
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marsh oracle
Come on man you cant cite fetterman
blazing depot
Fetterman is the polar opposite of Democrat plurality, lmao
He's essentially currentday Simena
eager parrot
the videos of bernie finding out about the attack while giving a speech is pretty crazy though
there's an official stream of it too, but this one felt more real lol
fossil basin
a plurality of the democrats are cheering for it too, even ones that ran as libe...
I agree with your point, but I think no one should have fell for Fetterman from beginning
blazing depot
Silly people, this isn't a war. He just dropped a few bombs and it's over now, trust.
You know, like the last 10 times the US tried that
marsh oracle
||https://twitter.com/nycguidovoice/status/1935499691698897088 || spoilered for nsfw language i guess
eager parrot
Most of the elected and appointed MAGA bureaucrats have already largely fallen in line on the Iran strikes.
marsh oracle
Surely this will break up maga 
eager parrot
sends an entire navy strike group and eight B2 bombers with their escorts and refueling entourage into Iran, then wants peace.
blazing depot
It's not real until the draft begins
hoary charm
||https://twitter.com/nycguidovoice/status/1935499691698897088 || spoilered for ...
i thought the tweet ended like that but there was more to it
eager parrot
but Khorne wants at least 100K American blood spilled
marsh oracle
Ya idk where this ww3/drift stuff is coming from
blazing depot
there's like a million soldiers already
Well, they're busy deporting the people most likely to enlist cause it's a road to citizenship
eager parrot
It's pretty funny when you see the demographics of the US military lol
which almost seems to align 1:1 with the demographics most deported
why not offer them citizenship for enlisting? wait that's already a thing but just not properly advertised to them or given as an option when they are being deported...
marsh oracle
Well probably not anymore
blazing depot
why not offer them citizenship for enlisting? wait that's already a thing but ju...
Nah, those communities definitely know that one
marsh oracle
Nowadays ice deports you for showing up to your immigration hearing
eager parrot
sadly all this violence ICE is committing is not even making a real dent in the illegal immigration
it's just a scare tactic they hope works
blazing depot
I mean, if anything it will increase illegal immigration, cause anyone trying the legal way gets bagged at their hearings
eager parrot
and the moment it started to hurt factory owners or farm owners bottom line, Trump gave up trying to deport them and gave them exemptions
marsh oracle
Its kind of funny in an absurd way that after all this trump is still behind obamas deportation numbers
Hes just so incompetent at anything and everything
eager parrot
it would take a totalitarian system much worse than 1930s-1940s Germany to even try to deport the tens of millions AND cut the inflow, so it'll never happen
blazing depot
Hes just so incompetent at anything and everything
That's not fair, he's clearly a world class golfer, he wins every tournament at his own golf courses
eager parrot
just a delusion Trump and MAGA base holds over the voters they scare into voting for them
not that the democrats don't do the same with delusional promises
but not in the same way
hoary charm
fell for it again award x50
eager parrot
didn't even last 6 months before starting another sandbox war
and he explicitly accused Kamala of ending up doing this if she was elected
ruby helm
I tend to believe Trump just wants the political benefit of being tough on immigration, but at the same time wants big companies to benefit from the immigration in the labour force. So he'll make a huge amount of noise and shows of force, but at a country wide scale the amount of people deported isn't actually material.
eager parrot
the threats he keeps posting on his truth social is really something, the man's more unhinged than usual
eager parrot
I tend to believe Trump just wants the political benefit of being tough on immig...
almost as if we voted a showman into the presidential office
blazing depot
We should just go back to appreciating how he erected those two massive long and hard and thick poles on both side of the white house, the longest, hardest, thickest most magnificent poles to ever be erected (his words, not mine). Sorta sandwiching the already erected pole on the roof of the WH. Those were the times.
fossil basin
FxTwitter
of course Starmer lies
or atleast assesses the situation extremely poorly
fossil basin
FxTwitter
in other odd news, Nicki Minaj now claims likes on Twitter are no longer visible due there being a huge conspiracy against her including people paying Elon specifically to shut her down?
livid frigate
> The world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism
Damn, didn''t realize they str...
I think you mean that the U.S. struck itself
blazing depot
Touché
dreamy ledge
eager parrot
1949 syrian coup, 1953 iran coup, suez crisis, six day war, black september, iran-iraq war, gulf war, etc doesn't count. everything that happened since 9/11 in the middle east by the US is the only foreign entanglement in that region, yeah?
and even if it's just the last 25 years, Trump has vehemently called them short-sighted, stupid, etc. throughout his political career, and even prior.
what else do you call it when two countries are in a hot war of lobbing bombs and missiles at each other, and a third country goes and bombs one of them? not intervention? not getting involved in the war?
I genuinely can't believe the things that come out of this administration's mouth anymore. This is just peak clown world and it's exhausting.
blazing depot
what else do you call it when two countries are in a hot war of lobbing bombs an...
It's apparently a "strike"
Which is very different from war, mind you
blazing depot
I love the bit where he also effectively admitted that it's not actually a one off thing and they'll be involved for years at the end of that clip
eager parrot
also... speaking of the russians
great
perfect goals reached, absolute victory
mission accomplished
if they weren't seeking nuclear weapons before, under a policy of ambiguity, now they certainly will be
blazing depot
I mean.... duh. Only a complete moron would not have seen this attack coming, of course they already moved the most important stuff out
eager parrot
and they just happened to have ballistic missiles with 2000km range and capacity for 100-400kt warheads already conveniently.
blazing depot
Hell, they claimed no one even got injured at the sites during the US bombing
Which might very well be true
eager parrot
that one might be true, wouldn't even be surprised if the US gave them a heads-up honestly
half heath
good god
marsh oracle
medvedev is like russias ben gvir or mtg
half heath
I was kinda thinking he'd have to be too because that claim is huge
How do all these ppl have such official positions and seemingly be so careless with their claims
blazing depot
He's anything but
His job is essentially to scream the most extreme ideas out at the public non stop
And while Putin has plausible deniability he also has the "but it could be real" threat behind it
Basically if you believe anything Medvedev says is not 100% backed by the Kremlin you've already fallen for their propaganda machine
marsh oracle
the propaganda machine of making your threats appear empty?
https://fxtwitter.com/DMichaelTripi/status/1936829874737697163 magabots, roll out 🤖
livid frigate
Also 25 years? Guess his smarts don't extent to math
Could probably go back longer if you include the gulf war
I’m just so sick of war. The U.S. has been at war for the entirety of my life
But then that would mean the war manufacturers do not make money
brave pelican
i was eating rocks and dirt a decade ago
half heath
good your immune system is ready for the nuclear wasteland
blazing depot
Same reason Iraq got invaded, they totally got WMDs (almost, trust)
blazing depot
https://fxtwitter.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1936914817836814767
This is beyond comedy
eager parrot
Same reason Iraq got invaded, they totally got WMDs (almost, trust)
they didn't even try 1.5-2 years of consensus building this time
the entire intelligence apparatus in the US said they don't and aren't even building one and would be a rather long time away from one if they even started now
the only reason it all ended up here was because of Trump ripping up the agreement Obama had made with Iran in the first place, whether it was a terrible deal or not is irrelevant, deals involve compromises anyway
Trump just went with vibes and whatever Bibi was telling him
hoary charm
tulsi in shambles
valid magnet
Yes bcs IQ tells so much
marsh oracle
The problems with iq are like the least suspicious parts of that guys story lmao
hoary charm
he's just a stable genius
fossil basin
what kind of test even allows up to 276
also if i claim to be the most intelligent person due my "iq", i would go hold onto make myself prominent by actually doing something
marsh oracle
- 276 doesnt even make sense on the iq scale and no serious institution would ever certify that
- which is why his evidence is not some iq test but some certificate from a world records org
- the number apparently comes from a memory competition
- is that account even him? Reads like a fake bot account
fossil basin
instead of promoting Trump on the Elon app
marsh oracle
Somebody give me back my 10 minutes
fossil basin
i mean i had an IQ test when i was little and scored quite high (i was told 141), I do not think high iq necessarily means intelligence
from what i remember, it feels more like a mind test than measurement of much meaningful
though my memory could be corrupted due me not being that old on that test in terms of how the test was
dusky rapids
eager parrot
TL;DW you can actually study/train/practice for IQ tests like any other test and it noticeably improves your results
you still have to be somewhat smart to start with though with good memory and processing speed
dusky rapids
yep
also disputes the assumption that being good at one subject = good at all subjects
nova holly
its also confined to STEM (this is probably intentional)
like top athletes can be just as smart when it comes to their sport
ocean vigil
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last eagle
I see why I saw people want the oil price up bc they found the "reasons" lmao
blazing depot
He is doing his "I made it more expensive, but HOW DARE you actually adjust to reality???" bit
Again
Except this time it's not a trade war
livid frigate
https://fxtwitter.com/jopesy/status/1936969745175056525
i find that most people who cling to iq nowadays are just racist
marsh oracle
A lost theater kid
blazing depot
We're all gonna die, aren't we
marsh oracle
The em dash suggests they started using chat gpt somewhere
eager parrot
yeah the em dash is not something people use when typing on a phone or PC very often lol
blazing depot
The weirdest parts about these Trump posts are still the completely random quotation marks
eager parrot
and random capitalized words
blazing depot
That's just his German heritage
marsh oracle
The weirdest parts about these Trump posts are still the completely random quota...
Thats how you know he had to dig deep in his brain for a word
eager parrot
That's just his German heritage
Dammit, y'all just had to start another world war >_>"
blazing depot
I blame the Danish for not giving him the easy out
eager parrot
Qatar just closed its airspace, Americans are in full shelter in place, seems serious, I really hope Iran doesn't take the bait and attack American bases 😔
hoary charm
just gonna chill down here on the ass end of the planet where nothing reaches us
blazing depot
Of course they will and of course this will be an actual full scale war. You already know that.
marsh oracle
Was gonna say they would never fire rockets at qatar but closing the strait probably would have the same diplomatic effect
blazing depot
I mean, US bases are technically not territory of the state they're in while rented out, so there's that. Very much doubt any of the gulf states will cry more than crocodile tears if a bunch of rockets hit those bases as long as it's restricted to it
eager parrot
Also the Qatar ones are like on the edge of the Gulf so even if they are struck, it won't cause too much damage to Qataris at least in theory, and it is evacuated right now. Possible that Iran will coordinate its attacks to save face through backchannels with the US just like before.
Meanwhile, what even was the point of the US strikes on Iran? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/22/us/politics/iran-uranium-stockpile-whereabouts.html
marsh oracle
Last time iran fired at us bases they only picked ones in iraq, a country they arent exactly friends with
blazing depot
Yeah, but last time was very different, lbr
eager parrot
Iran and Iraq are extremely friendly post US Iraq invasion.
compared to other Arab nations and Iran's relations.
blazing depot
Well, yes and no
It's more that Iran is running some rather big and influential militias in Iraq
marsh oracle
I guess you would be hard pressed to find two countries there who werent at war at some point
But yea it looks like they reconciled after the iran/iraq war
hoary charm
wouldn’t closing the strait disrupt china’s oil imports far more than it would disrupt the US?
seems like it’d be a huge mistake
eager parrot
China's, Japan's, I suspect SK's too.
It'll be a strain on everybody, some more than others
marsh oracle
Kinda everybodys, China certainly wouldnt be happy about, but i read somewhere that theyve become less reliant on the oil from that region
eager parrot
EU has its own oil producers but it also relies quite a bit on oil and gas from middle east
which I suspect varies from country to country
last eagle
fossil basin
livid frigate
can't believe iran is launching all these unprovoked attacks on us military bases in the middle east after we just called for peace with iran
brave pelican
hmm
eager parrot
really cementing the idea of "have nukes or be bombed"
blazing depot
can't believe iran is launching all these unprovoked attacks on us military base...
Wanna bet that's exactly what Trump will call it though? Unprovoked attacks/strikes?
livid frigate
i was more taking the route how israelis respond to stuff like this
fossil basin
apparently Diddy's defense team plans on using this in their closing arguement
quoting TMZ, "We're told the possible defense goes like this ... this was a manufactured case of bedroom police instigated by Homeland Security Investigations and rather than worrying about what Diddy is doing with baby oil and lube, HSI should worry more about the escalating conflict with Iran."
valid magnet
Bruh
half heath
Im hearing there might be a ceasefire
ocean vigil
keen nest
They saying we might go to war. It's crazy cuz ever since we stopped talking, ive been at war with myself.
Idk why but this Iran shit got me thinking about how I ran from your love. Hope everything is good with you tho shorty, be safe out there
fossil basin
They saying we might go to war. It's crazy cuz ever since we stopped talking, iv...
New blackpink comeback
pale flower
No Israel/Iran confirmations yet but it sounds like it's over on this front at least
marsh oracle
Come on bibi give him that nobel peace prize
pale flower
I thought Pakistan or India wanted to nominate him too or something 
marsh oracle
https://fxtwitter.com/NewsWire_US/status/1937277521587777998 god I love these accounts
FxTwitter
Just posting shit with zero sources, could be true, could be wrong, lets never find out
pale flower
Eh I really think we should wait LOL I think that Iran aren't super likely to admit to a ceasefire with Israel due to not wanting to be painted as weak/honorless/cooperative with the US/etc.
Israel might comment on it within the next hour or so though? Sounds like a meeting just ended
pale flower
Oh Qatar PM just confirmed the ceasefire agreement too according to Reuters
(they were helping to mediate between the parties involved)
pale flower
Just posting shit with zero sources, could be true, could be wrong, lets never f...
Yeah Reuters now reporting that a senior Iranian official confirmed the ceasefire
last eagle
after what happened to the nuclear sites, i guess that is enough
but we'll see what will unfold
marsh oracle
https://fxtwitter.com/DNIGabbard/status/1937294993149800955 man every round of dicksucking just gets more disgusting than the last one
half heath
Kinda worried about the mixed messages.
eager parrot
I guess nothing ever happens after all.
half heath
Imagine setting up a ceasefire without actually getting agreement from Iran and they continue to attack. It just makes it seem like they are breaking the ceasefire and gives legitimacy for more bullshit. But im hoping its over
eager parrot
not that any ceasefire deal with Israel has ever really held in recent memory
half heath
thats true too
eager parrot
and it's a ceasefire, at best it'll just delay things
until US gets more interceptors to Israel and Iran regroups among its armed forces
doesn't really prevent espionage services' assassinations either
aka terrorist activities in other countries by both sides.
we'll be back here by autumn
if not sooner
half heath
Idk but without the nuclear threat for a cause im guessing US has less reasons to intervene again.
Some people say they can always just use it again and claim the enriched material had been moved
Or maybe some "manufactured" domestic event in US
livid frigate
“Nuclear threat”
The U.S. stepped in because our little warmonger in the Middle East bit off more than they could chew
half heath
“Nuclear threat”
At this point reality can be whatever the people in power want. I got no certainties about anything, just working with the framework they used to intervene
livid frigate
If they did have nukes they wouldn’t have attacked Iran
half heath
No the pretense was that they were enriching over 60%
which they say is not needed for civil use
My concern with it is that the IAEA might not be unbiased
and nobody seems to want to oversee Israels nuclear capabilities
livid frigate
Israel should not have nukes
eager parrot
The U.S. stepped in because our little warmonger in the Middle East bit off more...
bit off more than they could chew
I don't believe that for a second. They did surprisingly well in terms of air superiority over Iran. However, the intent was always to drag the US into it, that's why it wasn't even 24 hours before they started asking for US intervention.
It's not like they didn't know beforehand their own hardware wouldn't be able to dent the bunkers under the mountain.
livid frigate
The U.S. has also been itching to get involved in Iran since 1979
eager parrot
Either way, if they weren't seeking nukes as weapons before, they certainly will be seriously considering it now. They've been edging the west with their controlled ambiguity for 30 years after all on their nuclear program.
pale flower
Y'all ofc they wanted nukes LOL why else would they not be cooperating with the IAEA otherwise and why would they report super high enrichment levels, you only need like 3-5% for civil purposes
livid frigate
they've been saying that for the past 30 years
pale flower
Also yeah we're getting bombed by Iran atm but it's probably just a "show of power" type of thing (in reality maybe 10 missiles max atm compared to the 200 we were expecting daily)
pale flower
they've been saying that for the past 30 years
Yeah and Israel's been having covert missions from its foreign intelligence agency designed to prevent the nuclear weaponization of Iran
For the past 30 years
livid frigate
woah, "israel" has been the aggressor for years... shocking
pale flower
You can argue that rhetorically it's been the same ("guys it's really about to happen") but if all Israel could do was delay the plan bit by bit (rather than essentially reset it like what happened these past two weeks) then it makes sense they'd eventually have nearly the full knowledge needed to prepare to fully weaponize
Anyway missile alarms
Not gonna fall for the bait this time HAHA
hollow stirrup
Isreal hasn't fully weaponized yet? Lol
livid frigate
the rogue states of israel and the united states needs to be reigned in by the international order
they are far too dangerous to be left to run as they have been
half heath
Idk but if this whole ordeal hasn't shown it yet, US can do whatever they want.
livid frigate
they should not be able to do that
half heath
Yea ideally but its just not like that. Normally in a democracy your people shouldve been able to hold them back but thats also pretty clearly a mirage considering even the Democrats seemed okay with everything with Iran.
livid frigate
the ruling class is always in favor of war
half heath
It is what it is, capitalist society let's us all live comfortably enough that actually risking anything actually feels like a loss. There might be people at the bottom that are fed up but not enough to organise.
livid frigate
that is what they're counting on. the class war will come soon enough
brave pelican
hope none of y’all are 20 or turning 20 this year
half heath
I actually don't think so. They give you enough freedoms to feel like you can make change without real risks but then nothing changes
brave pelican
pretty sure thats first prio for the drsft
pale flower
Isreal hasn't fully weaponized yet? Lol
Talking about Iran and the IRGC
hollow stirrup
hope none of y’all are 20 or turning 20 this year
I have so much stacked against me, they couldn't even get close
I'm a woman and mentally ill
Poppin zoloft like tic tacs
trim flicker
they're really trying to make this "12 day war" name stick
its so silly
this is the greatest ceasefire on this very arduous "12 DAY WAR" it'll be on the history books as such !
trim flicker
the rogue states of israel and the united states needs to be reigned in by the i...
also true
blazing depot
they're really trying to make this "12 day war" name stick
But I thought it wasn't a war
hoary charm
at least they're not calling it a special military operation
blazing depot
In the unlikely event of the ceasefire actually happening and Israel not breaking it within a week under some vague pretense like they usually do Bibi gonna pretend to be a master statesman again and probably get reelected... again. And Trump gonna pretend this was all his master plan as well.
Meanwhile Iran still has all their uranium and very likely still off the books means to get it to the point they need... and now they actually have a valid reason to really really do go for nukes since it was made clear if you ain't got nukes you get bombed
pale flower
Right well we can wait and see who's right I guess
So far Iran are still bombing and it should be 20 mins into the ceasefire already
blazing depot
So far Iran are still bombing and it should be 20 mins into the ceasefire alread...
Now, now, Trump said "approximately"
And neither party involved has actually confirmed anything officially
pale flower
I'm pretty sure the time was agreed upon by both parties internally even if they didn't confirm it...
Even Iranian TV is saying now the ceasefire has begun but we're having more missile alarms in about 5 mins
half heath
@ extra
its just the beginning and not as strong as NATO but it does signal cooperation for future.
eager parrot
@ extra
This is definitely a step in the right direction for Canada
You may share a massive border with the US, but you really need more friends in the world and not be solely reliant on the US
half heath
Im actually curious how it affects the US when everyone else starts increasing their defense funds and not just putting it into NATO, where I assume a lot of it is redirected to American defense companies
hoary charm
buy french MIC stocks 
hoary charm
unlucky
eager parrot
Im actually curious how it affects the US when everyone else starts increasing t...
the gap between US military industrial complex and just sheer existing strength is so massive, even if every other country was able to spend that much overnight, it would take possibly decades to catch up to current-day US, and by then they'll be decades ahead again.
outside of a slim possibility of complete collapse of the United States, the rest can at best play catch-up, which is a hell of a lot better than what they are currently doing.
half heath
I meant more financially. Collapse of the US might seem slim but the fact that your democracy has eroded this much in the 10 years since the maga movement started should be cause for concern. Maybe not in the next decade but i think lines have been crossed and slowly things are going to go down a slippery slope.
fossil basin
apparently owner of Saveafox channel has been driven to suicide after online bullying
marsh oracle
Its going well i see
ocean vigil
there is no way parody can survive the next three years
pale flower
Yeah it's after Iran already violated the ceasefire shooting a missile three hours after it started
It was thankfully intercepted but yeah
last eagle
so is it ceasefire for israel iran and palestine?
hoary charm
nothing to do with palestine
pale flower
Sounds like there'll be discussions between Israel, Qatar and Hamas representatives in the next two days
According to the Qatar PM at least
blazing depot
Yeah it's after Iran already violated the ceasefire shooting a missile three hou...
Which Iran denies, sure.
toxic spoke
Its going well i see
😭
toxic spoke
marsh oracle
Bro you cant say that on tv
Wonder if hes figured out that he is a major cause of all this, probably not
last eagle
malding mode: on
supple dragon
oh man 
proud tulip
what did he say, i cant watch rn
blazing depot
And you believe them?? Come on LMAO
Let's just say neither side is known to be truthful about anything and leave it at that.
ruby helm
he is in "based" president mode
marsh oracle
proud tulip
wow
blazing depot
lol
proud tulip
he actually swore too?
hoary charm
yeah
blazing depot
He's right for once though
proud tulip
hes most upset that they're ruining his chance for the Nobel Peace prize
pale flower
I agree for the most part too 
But it's also part of how it works at the middle east
hoary charm
it written out doesnt capture his intonation either
marsh oracle
hes most upset that they're ruining his chance for the Nobel Peace prize
For sure
blazing depot
Trump getting the Nobel Peace price would pretty much be the ultimate insult to any past recipients
proud tulip
it written out doesnt capture his intonation either
i'll watch it later on
ruby helm
2132: Now class turn to page 15, where will learn about the peaceful dove president who ended conflicts in the middle east and won the nobel peace prize
marsh oracle
Trump getting the Nobel Peace price would pretty much be the ultimate insult to ...
Thats how you know its gonna happen
pale flower
Trump getting the Nobel Peace price would pretty much be the ultimate insult to ...
I mean hasn't it gone to some controversial figures before?
brave pelican
a lot
dire canopy
so does he want the nobel prize because Obama got one?
hoary charm
probably
proud tulip
yeah you know for a fact if he somehow ever got it, that'd be the first thing he spoke about
i dont think he'll ever get it but crazier things have happened
like him being elected, twice
ruby helm
He'd go on a rant about how Obama is responsible for destablising the middle east
hoary charm
can't forget the whole reason why trump ran in the first place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeGpLg0b3DE
proud tulip
so it IS all his fault! Thanks, Obama.
brave pelican
kissinger most deserved recipient
blazing depot
Truly the most peaceful man
He's only responsible for 90% of the messes we're in today
fossil basin
Trump getting the Nobel Peace price would pretty much be the ultimate insult to ...
Hitler was nonimated for one in 1939
the guy having nominated him claimed it was irony, but retracted it when the reactions were both understandably violent and that people did not understand it was an irony
ocean vigil
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so true
blazing depot
This narrator kinda sucks, shoulda hired Ben Starr instead
last eagle
i have two sides
last eagle
🤝
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they will be rebuilding those 100%
blazing depot
I mean, they've just been shown that the only way not to get bombed is to have nukes
So yeah, of course they will
And they will have nukes eventually as a result of all this, no matter what their plans were beforehands
trim flicker
why would obama do this
blazing depot
This was probably in Hillary's emails
fossil basin
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pale flower
Their nuclear project did cost them billions of dollars, I don't think they could afford rebuilding it now
last eagle
I blame trump for starting ww3 if it ever happens
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Their nuclear project did cost them billions of dollars, I don't think they coul...
"now" yes
it'll take some time but they'll do it
not to mention they did move out a ton of stuff out of those facilities before they got bombed so they didn't lose everything
we don't even know what exactly they lost with these bombings at all as the US is like "they were totally obliterated and there's nothing left at all" vs Iran being like "this is nothing but a scratch bro we're chill"
ocean vigil
ruby helm
If the bunker bomb can go down 60m of solid rock then do an explosion that goes through another 30m of rock, but they built it at 120m it might be not massively damaged
pale flower
"now" yes
it'll take some time but they'll do it
not to mention they did move ou...
I mean the very point of the bombings was that "it'll take some time", rather than them immediately getting nukes
Either that or the regime will come crashing down in the next few months
And by "some time" I mean a few years at least, best case scenario is probably a few decades
pale flower
we don't even know what exactly they lost with these bombings at all as the US i...
No yeah I agree it's possible it wasn't as "obliterated" as the US says it is, I think we're still waiting on more info to find out exactly what happened, but at least with Fordow according to professionals it's likely the place came crashing down
And yeah it remains to be seen what happened with the stuff they did move out
They could only move out barrels and such though, not really all the instruments they used (high-level centrifuges or other stuff necessary for the enrichment process to continue)
The worry is about them still having plenty of barrels of already-enriched material, but with how much intelligence Israel and the US have on Iran (see also just HOW many high-level assassinations happened these past 12 days), I think it's unlikely for them to just not worry about those barrels
Basically like, if those barrels were still left unharmed, surely they're keeping a close eye on them still via their intelligence agencies
trim flicker
The issue is that this kind of interventionism has historically only made things worse in the region 🤷♂️ Now Iran has even more reason to have nuclear weapons and this whole thing has only cemented it even strongly how the US and Israel are able to just do whatever without any repercussions at all
pale flower
I just don't agree with that take but we can agree to disagree
Like as someone who's lived in the middle east her whole life it's always been about who can make the biggest show of power, and that tends to stop others from attacking you. Especially if you spend 30 years building up a bunch of infrastructure that gets completely taken out in two weeks due to your refusal to cooperate/sign a deal after a long time negotiating - like if you DO decide to go for it all over again, you have to essentially reset your entire progress.
Israel did have repercussions, we had a lot of internal issues pop up from the war with Iran and a lot of homes got hit so we'll have to do a lot of rebuilding, too. War always has repercussions. For the US I can agree there weren't a lot of repercussions but in my mind that's just more of a reason to not try and attack the US in any capacity
I do think that this will now lead to a big diplomatic maneuver between the US/Israel/Iran though
marsh oracle
Something will probably be signed, the question is how much that will be worth
Israel still wants regime change ultimately, netanyahu was always against the iran nuclear deal and opposed any kind of interim agreement the last few years as well
He dragged the us into bombing iran this time, based on zero new intelligence information, who's to say he isnt gonna do the same thing again
pale flower
Yeah I think Israel wants an Iranian regime change too but I think they don't want to "force" it as part of a deal anymore, I think there's an understanding now in the government that if a regime change happens it has to happen from within, like if the Iranian opposition decides it's necessary and does it for their own sake
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Like as someone who's lived in the middle east her whole life it's always been a...
it's always been about who can make the biggest show of power
i mean the problem is that's stupid and does not work at all
it just makes people grow even more resentful and radical, it ends up escalating conflicts even more in the long run and making everything worse
marsh oracle
I would say bombing and assassinating their leadership is at least forcing it along
pale flower
> it's always been about who can make the biggest show of power
i mean the probl...
It really doesn't necessarily and I think Lebanon has been the biggest example of that
pale flower
I would say bombing and assassinating their leadership is at least forcing it al...
They didn't touch the political leadership, only military leadership afaik
marsh oracle
Political power comes from military control at least partially
pale flower
If they HAD gone for the political leadership that's a much much clearer way of forcing a regime change/change of power
Well yeah but it doesn't promise an actual change, that depends on the Iranian people alone
Also sidenote but I'm really hoping this means I can finally start sleeping better LOL I've been having major sleep issues lately
marsh oracle
Also lebanon isnt the best example cause that government collapsed not much later lol
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I did also say "in the long run" and Lebanon is very recent
I'm not sure what's the situation there rn but the Israeli strikes did certainly radicalize a bunch of people there even more
marsh oracle
Oh i thought daya meant the peace treaty in the 80s
pale flower
Oh no I meant just now with Lebanon
hoary charm
the fact that hezbollah isn't joining in here says a lot surely
pale flower
I did also say "in the long run" and Lebanon is very recent
I'm not sure what's ...
To put it shortly, yes certainly the Israeli strikes made people not like Israel more (though plenty already didn't because of Gaza), but Hezb not joining the Iran-Israel war, not attacking, saying "uuhhhhh Iran can handle it themselves!!!!" rather than launching 2000 missiles at our Northern border says..... quite a lot LOL
The Lebanese government, which was selected AFTER Hezb was horribly beaten after fighting Israel for a few months, is now strong enough politically (and militarily with the Lebanese army forces gaining a better status and pay) to essentially stop and rein in any military aspirations that Hezb might've had to join the war and help protect Iran
Basically what it means is that Lebanon's government is SO tired from the war and just wants to focus on reconstruction, diplomacy and settling internal issues like fixing their electricity problems, increasing public transport and basically working as a technocracy with many of the ministers being literal professionals in their respective fields
Lebanon may be recent I agree but it's already showing a LOTTTTT of promise and as a neighbour I'm pretty happy to see it even if they don't like me any more than before LOL
So what I'm saying is that, yes while more people may have become radicalized to hate Israel even more, the war (albeit perhaps tragically) gave them the opportunity to form a government, stop their most radical groups, and focus on rebuilding the country for the better.
We don't know what war-torn Iran will look like yet which is why I can't promise it'll be just like Lebanon, it's very possible that the radical leaders still in charge are going to continue to threaten Israel and the US by going for the nukes like you say, but I also think that it's possible the people will want to focus on rebuilding the country for the better. Whether that results in a regime change or not depends on Iranians alone though, it's not something Israel or the US could force for the EXACT reason that they don't want the West to be involved with choosing their (next) leaders.
marsh oracle
the fact that hezbollah isn't joining in here says a lot surely
Israel definitely shot its shot here with hamas and hezbollah being weakened and russia being busy somewhere else
pale flower
Yep things really lined up well
marsh oracle
I mean
pale flower
The sudden regime change in Syria definitely helped too even though that wasn't expected by anyone
hoary charm
Israel definitely shot its shot here with hamas and hezbollah being weakened and...
hamas weakened, hezbollah weakened, assad gone so russia isnt involved
marsh oracle
They also lined up well because of years long bombing campaigns with lots of civilian deaths that probably couldve been prevented a few years back but 
hoary charm
if that hadnt all happened then i doubt they would have gone after irans nuke plans
proud tulip
Oh yeah, where's Assad? In Russia somewhere?
hoary charm
yeah they gave him asylum
pale flower
And Trump being in charge in the US and him having somewhat good relations with Israel and Bibi in particular (with how much I hate to say it) probably helped a lot too
Like I don't see the Dems doing something like this at all but I could be wrong
trim flicker
i mean
pale flower
And I hate saying that too as someone more left-center leaning 😭
marsh oracle
No youre right but only because trump created the problem in the first place
pale flower
Yeah I can agree with that but I'm also not too privy on the details behind why they stopped the old deal
Haven't read up on that much yet
trim flicker
but also biden would've probably bombed iran if pushed lol it's not like
he offered any pushback to israel
marsh oracle
In this video essay i will explain how ripping up the nuclear deal, the moving of the embassy and the abraham accords lead to irans Isolation, palestinian frustration and the eventual october 7th attacks
pale flower
No I do think they offered more pushback than y'all might think, like I think he would've for example forced Israel to completely stop the war in Gaza for any help with Iran
trim flicker
lol
pale flower
(Which I mean, I wouldn't have minded)
pale flower
In this video essay i will explain how ripping up the nuclear deal, the moving o...
There was definitely a lot more to it but I can agree that the planned normalization with Saudi Arabia for example was one of the reasons October 7th happened
marsh oracle
And hamas got a major surge in support after the great march of return which itself got big after trump moved the embassy
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why'd obama make fun of him man
pale flower
I think it's a bit too easy to blame Trump for everything that happened but there's also been like 4 years with him not in charge, during which the attacks did happen
So idk I feel like there's more to it
marsh oracle
Theres always more to it
pale flower
Interested to see what comes out of Trump's visit at the NATO conference
marsh oracle
Trump will propose russian nato membership
Honestly sounds like something he would do
pale flower
Unfortunately it does LMAO
hoary charm
i'm joining nato
marsh oracle
Poggers
I cant believe we wrapped up the iran arc just in time for the next round of tariff news
Another month another wheel spin 
marsh oracle
Thats probably how everybody talks to him because its free real estate lmao
Glazing trump is how you make him like you
Embarassing as fuck for rutte tho
ocean vigil
That makes sense, it's just that seeing it like that and reading it is so surreal
brave pelican
I wanna be glazed
marsh oracle
Well are you eligible to become president of the united states?
marsh oracle
Ah thats fine, several steps below what trump did
hoary charm
https://fixupx.com/marklowen/status/1937519173271203955
me personally i would have snuck in a "bigly" and "yuge" in there
brave pelican
i didnt say what i did after
marsh oracle
So just get yourself elected and the glazing will commence
brave pelican
dusky rapids
Trump getting the Nobel Peace price would pretty much be the ultimate insult to ...
he could be a nominee for the ig nobel peace prize but i feel like there are many nominees this year
fossil basin
Thats probably how everybody talks to him because its free real estate lmao
this is just how things work in turkey for quite a long time
not enjoying the global spread of glazing culture
dusky rapids
Well are you eligible to become president of the united states?
you could also choose to be a donut, way easier
fossil basin
you could also choose to be a donut, way easier
I want to be a pistachio filled donut
had those from a grocery store, I like a lot pistachio flavored so i might be suspectible
but still, not "too" expensive for a filled donut, and great taste
fossil basin
Grog is such an awful name for an AI
fossil basin
maybe association with elon ruined things for me
brave pelican
i am just now realizing mephiles is lucifer
fossil basin
i am just now realizing mephiles is lucifer
yeah I just rebranded
when there is the second ever official painting of a character i love (with the character mentioned having existed since 2006), i had to rebrand
brave pelican
honestly i thought your old pfp was loona (the furry one)
fossil basin
honestly i thought your old pfp was loona (the furry one)
no it was lucifer (from that loona's show's universe but the sister show of it)
he also has teal on base form so fits the princess server role
half heath
I hate to say it but that one quote Trump said kinda had some Aura
half heath
valid magnet
At least both live their lives
marsh oracle
pale flower
Early assessment... eh
marsh oracle
pale flower
I'm not sure if this also counts the Israeli strikes that were near the entry points though, like they'd have to dig their way into it and I don't think that'd take only a few months
Basing things off of early assessments isn't especially good one way or the other (being absolutely sure they were destroyed like Trump says, nor being absolutely sure no long-lasting damage was done)
I mean if there really is no long lasting damage I think we'd have more intel folks yelling (and panicking) about it
marsh oracle
They werent panicking about it before why would they panicking now
pale flower
I mean more like Israeli intel for example
marsh oracle
Yep they can publicly backstab trump and next time the b-2s are staying home
pale flower
As in, Israel was panicking about it before, we'd be hearing more "Israeli sources say..." types of articles if we're really not in the clear
marsh oracle
I agree with you that early assessments are just that, but anything else just seems like copium here
valid magnet
https://fxtwitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1937589972594491910 lol
"This is really bad for the White House and should be a major scandal. Trump lied. Again."
Yeah but that guy can prob admit to eating people and there will be no consequences still
trim flicker
guys it's really bad THIS TIME
last eagle
uh oh.
eager parrot
interesting how the big bill in front of senate has some parts nobody's really talking out or downplaying in the news
they are opening up millions of acres of land in the west that are federal lands to be sold to private owners
they are essentially removing suppressors and short barreled rifles and shotguns from the national firearms act, so one doesn't have to register them or pay for the tax stamp anymore.
Medicaid, SNAP, and green energy programs are getting cut across the board
and all in all it would add at least 2.4 trillion dollars to the deficit by 2030...
livid frigate
And zohran won
near jetty
oak lodge
what is this combo going to lead to brady? 
eager parrot
And zohran won
ah so that's why there are so many unhinged comments about the NYC mayoral primary lol
fossil basin
FxTwitter
I agree and overall I hope a lot more places do take steps to implament ranked choice voting
it will make voters able to be more flexible with their choices
fossil basin
https://dailypost.ng/2025/06/08/biafra-civil-war-was-not-my-choice-gowon/
Gowon seemingly presents regret over initiating the Biafra Civil War
fossil basin
fossil basin
eager parrot
blazing depot
I believe this is what we call symbolism
fossil basin
confusing things are happening in Armenia
Pashinyan accuses head of Armenian church and some clergymen of not being celibate and fathering children
the Apostolic Church leader accuses Pashinyan of not being Christian and accuses him of being circumcised? And Pashinyan in turn offers to show his penis to the head of church in response
what the hell is going on here
eager parrot
I believe this is what we call *symbolism*
at its finest.
millions of books is crazy
I don't think any bookburning in history destroyed millions
the least they could do is make those digitized books available in some kind of database that's accessible >_> not just by the AI
ebooks barely take up any space
you could fit 40,000++ books on a 128gb microSD
half heath
the least they could do is make those digitized books available in some kind of ...
wdym? Wouldn't that be like illegal. Isn't their purpose of purchasing just to train their models and they think this is the cheapest most loophole way they can do it?
These books should be available elsewhere anyways
marsh oracle
Correct, publishing them would be another thing entirely
eager parrot
wdym? Wouldn't that be like illegal. Isn't their purpose of purchasing just to t...
just give 'em to libgen or archive.org (although they're having their own books copyright problem right now)
blazing depot
They're unread for a reason, fuck off
fossil basin
dusky rapids
clearly the solution is to have 0 unread messages
blazing depot
Yves could never
half heath
Woman had scoliosis and was not receiving care the whole time
Sickening tbh that they're getting away with this. Can't imagine how many people with lesser prioritised nationalities are treated
eager parrot
Woman?
The article only mentions a male.
Not to manufacture consent for the way ICE has been behaving for the past several months, but this guy had been living in the US since the 1980's on a greencard.
Yes he was a Canadian citizen, but he could have gotten his US citizenship all along. He got caught trafficking drugs, and permanent residents can still get deported for criminal activities...
None of that of course excuses his due process violations or how he was treated and definitely the way he died is outrageous.
eager parrot
Sickening tbh that they're getting away with this. Can't imagine how many people...
at least the number of detainee deaths under ICE is reported here https://www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting
last eagle
half heath
None of that of course excuses his due process violations or how he was treated ...
Yep you're right, for that case im not against deporting criminals just the treatment in custody
but there is still something to be said for due process
marsh oracle
Speaking of immigration
https://fxtwitter.com/RepOgles/status/1938301392416084150 cool stuff, very normal
trim flicker
yet another Thursday in the good ol' USA
eager parrot
https://fxtwitter.com/RepOgles/status/1938301392416084150 cool stuff, very norma...
causing more people to turn antisemitic with this kind of behavior, all the reactions to him winning the primary were unhinged af.
democrats have absolutely no clue how to reconcile the establishment dinosaurs with the newer younger more left progressives
but also republicans wonder why democrats treated them the way they did during biden years when they treat democrats this way when in power themselves smh
american politics is a clownshow
half heath
If Zohran fails yea it will solidify it even further. Just oligarch backed parties vs corporatists
eager parrot
at this point, the US system of extremely influencial billionaire backed politicians is no different than an oligarchy
What exactly distinguishes a Russian oligarch and say, Elon Musk and how he backed Trump and behaved the past 12 months politically?
not to mention plenty of old and new money other billionaires that do the same and just don't have such a public exposure
livid frigate
Just figuring it out, huh?
eager parrot
I've known it, but plenty of people will reject it
with the most recent happenings, it's just more difficult to deny than ever
brave pelican
theres like two outcomes/endings for the guy he either gets assassinated by some crazy dude or sells out
there is the one scenario though where he turns up ok
eager parrot
if he never ventures out of municipal elections, he should be okay
but the seething reactions to him is just completely unhinged
livid frigate
It’s been very funny to see all the reactions to him
eager parrot
the timing of it is fascinating too
he is indian-ugandan-american but his first and last name as well as his religious affiliation is very persian/iranian
so the reactions were doubly heated
brave pelican
basic reactions
livid frigate
New York is not safe for Jews anymore despite Zohran campaigning with a Jew
brave pelican
noooo hes a race traitor!!!!
livid frigate
Sharia law has been declared in New York
eager parrot
it turned out alright for london, it'll be fine for nyc 🙂
livid frigate
As people pull out ole reliable Islamophobia
brave pelican
sunni (london) sharia (new york city)
eager parrot
past three weeks feels like a playbook they had ready to build consensus for another sandbox war
but were rushed to play it instead of orchestrating it over 1-3 years
livid frigate
Waiter, more forever wars in the Middle East please
eager parrot
and the last time they played it, none of the major social media platforms even existed yet
brave pelican
if he gets baptised in the fires of being new york mayor i wonder what he does after that
idk if he'd take the pay cut to do congress shenanigans
eager parrot
washington dc is its own world
livid frigate
He hasn’t even been elected mayor yet
eager parrot
anybody who enters will assimilate or disappear
livid frigate
Jumping the gun a little bit
livid frigate
Don’t besmirch the good name of the black panthers
brave pelican
curtis sliwa lore is pretty interesting
livid frigate
We’ll make a communist of you yet, extra. There’s hope
eager parrot
all political systems end up more or less in the same place after a bit of adjustment to reach equilibrium anyway
feudal oligarchies
blazing depot
Cuomo wanted to run as an independent now, I'm sure this time he'll beat him, trust
eager parrot
the current mayor is also running as an indp
it's such a perfect encapsulation or representation of NYC
totally corrupt politicians represented by establishment
with enough money to try again and again
livid frigate
It’s more emblematic of the state of the democrats nationally
blazing depot
To be fair, Adams is probably the most corrupt of the bunch, but he crawled so deep into the orange asshole that he'll get off free
eager parrot
yep
cuomo is just a piece of shit scumbag but adams is actually corrupt af
great examples of our political system
and we have a combination of both those traits and more as president 🙂
half heath
causing more people to turn antisemitic with this kind of behavior, all the reac...
I have to say its getting tiring to hear the conversation being centered around anti semitism when blatant islamophobia is coming out of elected officials and people on msm
fossil basin
To be fair, Adams is probably the most corrupt of the bunch, but he crawled so d...
Adams also is the most Turkish of the bunch
fossil basin
https://fxtwitter.com/JCColtin/status/1721728789728637070
this is funny as he has gotten political favors by Turkey in exchange for bribes
toxic spoke
hell of a supreme court morning https://x.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1938599611276329100
https://x.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1938611073726189770
blazing depot
Very cool indeed
fossil basin
marsh oracle
I cant believe we wrapped up the iran arc just in time for the next round of tar...
Good heavens would you look at the time! https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg629n7wzvo
half heath
This guy is just a bully. This is just weird. Just trying to take our lunch money all the damn time.
Also the rulings today genuinely feel like the beginning of the end for you guys. All the red states are going to follow every executive order without disputes to make their white nationalist society a reality.
If i understood it correctly
fossil basin
i will wish good luck upon Americans overall, i do not want others to have no faith in any politic events near or far from future like i do not
but seems like turkeyification of everywhere is the norm
fossil basin
This guy is just a bully. This is just weird. Just trying to take our lunch mone...
and politicians who do not want to win and do anything in name of formalities will let him do whatever he wants
hoary charm
meta should focus on making models that arent complete garbage first
last eagle
Here's the wholesome news of today
https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1938737269327962567
X
eager parrot
but I dont think the type of ppl who use Facebook still understand or care
yes but it'll soon be part of instagram and whatsapp too if not already stealthily, both of them have the same story feature
that's a massive number of users whose photos are about to become training material for meta's machine learning models
hoary charm
the machines must be fed
eager parrot
soon enough the only solution to AI will be nuclear EMPs
hoary charm
we must protect claude from the emps https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/1938630294807957804
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eager parrot
we must protect claude from the emps https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/1938630294...
hahahaha
ah AI middle managers will be the glorious downfall of corporate america
I wasn't this ticked off about all this AI stuff until they started integrating it into our work and slowly seeding the idea of replacing even in-house counsel office's functions
how does that poem go
First They Came
and all that
hoary charm
i'm in the middle of implementing some summarization stuff
quickly realized that it's gonna be difficult for the average company to productize it properly unless the models/infra get drastically faster
it's also like wrangling an adhd junior into performing magic tricks rather than confidently getting a certain output given an input
eager parrot
pretty apt analogy
hoary charm
marsh oracle
Havent they started playing around with honeypots to trap ai bots crawling the web in?
hoary charm
yeah, no idea how effective it is though
marsh oracle
Also i can use claude 3.7 at work now and its still a struggle lmao
Maybe i should start threatening it more, wonder how long it takes until i get a questioning mail from HR
marsh oracle
Idk
hoary charm
i wouldn't tell anyone if i won the lottery but there would be signs
marsh oracle
What burns money faster this or playing online slots
hoary charm
at least slots wouldnt create more work for you
marsh oracle
I still think its really good as a fuzzy search but letting it to anything on its own will blow up in your face quickly
Had claude try and fix a test with a bunch of async method calls and im pretty sure it was ready to kill itself 15 minutes later
hoary charm
i thought the same until claude 4 dropped
for programming i think it really needs coherent structure and scaffholding/rules to steer it in the right direction
i've had pretty good success by giving it an example to work off of, rather than let it interpret what i'm wanting. then if there's a gap in any conventions it messes up, add the convention to a rules file that gets added into the context for every thread
marsh oracle
Yea maybe i have to try that
hoary charm
it's pretty funny (yet frustrating) working with a junior whose clearly overly relying on these tools and just pushing the shit it outputs
things like still using useEffect to sync state instead of deriving state
marsh oracle
Ive been considering doing more trainee watch at my company but really dont want to review a bunch of AI code lmao
I think its gonna be really interesting to see how or if any new language development even happens if the models really take over
hoary charm
i feel bad for making half a dozen comments and requesting changes in every PR but not much i can do about that
marsh oracle
How would features with new features even ever get adapted
marsh oracle
i feel bad for making half a dozen comments and requesting changes in every PR b...
It feels bad but you also have to
Almost every time ive thought "eh its fine its not a big deal" its come back to haunt me later lol
hoary charm
or "eh i'll be touching this later, ill fix it myself then"
approve
hoary charm
eager parrot
annnnd the bit about removing NFA restrictions on suppressors and short barreled long guns is gone from the bill lol
so much for "wins" for the far right 🙂
but thankfully all the land allocations to be sold in the west is also gone
marsh oracle
Whos gonna be the mccain on this one, any reps with a spine left? 
The house also has to vote on it again, surely all the people saying they wouldnt have voted for it, if they knew what was in it, wont vote for it again 
ruby helm
You can always hope for a brave republician receiving large bribes from solar and wind technology corporations.
half heath
If they had that type of money it would've happened already i assume
I've been thinking about how empires collapse lately and I dont think it will be as catastrophic or quick as some of the past ones but the US is going in a similar way
blazing depot
Fallout when
half heath
I think its more a combination of growing anti-intellectualism, inequality, authoritarianism, and short sightedness. But I might be doomer idk
I mean they already got unqualified people in very influential positions
all because a sizable portion of the population votes against their own interests
And when they start trusting the government less and less and have less ways to change that what happens?
probably nothing for a long time
then maybe a couple decades later people actually get fed up or maybe even other superpowers rise to take advantage of that
Like maybe civilization is meant to be this way. Like even at the individual level. You struggle, you grow, you prosper, you forget the reasons that you prospered, you exploit or cheat to get more short term gains, and eventually you start collapsing from all the things you cheated.
Happened with the Romans and the Han dynasty
Oh also medieval europe
languid tree
Anyone know about Ludwig and Mang0 situation?? I’m not defending Mang0 but I think Ludwig shares some to blame because he invited his alcoholic friend to an event full of alcohol
half heath
He's done the same event before with mang0 I think and no issues. And regardless of blame the penalties are different for both. Mang0 basically ruined his career, and I guess Ludwig won't be doing the event again
If Ludwig knew Mang0 had a history of inappropriate behaviour while drunk then yea id say he deserves some more blame
languid tree
He's done the same event before with mang0 I think and no issues. And regardless...
My take is that he’s an alcoholic, yes he didn’t do that before but the fact he knew that Mang0 has done worst things before means he knew about Mang0’s vices. Mang0 was ridiculous drunk and Ludwig and people there were egging him on. I feel like the statement of no issues before so why not do it again is dangerous. To me it’s like saying a drug overdose didn’t kill him last time so why not do it again.
half heath
Idk I feel like its taking a lot of responsibility out of Mang0s hands. And this might be his wake up call. Idk how bad of an alcoholic he is tbh. If its really bad then yea as friends they should've been more careful but I think there is a gap between uncontrollable alcoholic and heavy drinker and idk which one he is
And without these consequences even friends wouldn't be listened to imo
Its an unfair responsibility to put on friends. Either risk damaging the relationship for not being invited or have to be burdened by managing HIS alcoholism
And Mang0 himself seems aware that its on him and isn't asking for pity or ppl to blame.
brave pelican
its mental gymnastic to try defending him for what he did and im pretty sure he also has acknowledged that this is on him
also theres probably other people there that got shitfaced and drunk and they didnt dry hump and put their hands on other people (as far as we know) so idk how far the drinking problem thing can really excuse this or whatever
blazing depot
Either way you can't blame it on the person who invited him. It's not like Dry alcoholics never go to events and parties where alcohol is served.
That's where self control comes into the picture. Sip your orange juice and enjoy your time there.
hoary charm
you can blame him for egging mang0 on after he blew a 0.3 or so
nova holly
for the record, mang0 has been known to be like this for like over a decade, its just been encouraged by the rest of the melee community
it just happened to be on camera this time
dude just finally found his rock bottom
half heath
it just happened to be on camera this time
Okay if people knew he practically sexually harasses people when drunk then yea everyone who knows and encouraged it deserves blame
languid tree
And Mang0 himself seems aware that its on him and isn't asking for pity or ppl t...
I’m not defending Mang0, even Mang0 isn’t defending Mang0. But I also feel like it’s weird to just let Ludwig and that space go like that
half heath
Yea i get it, but idk how he'd get a loss for it. I know another group that did an event where someone got drunk or was drinking irresponsible and they basically lost the sponsor I think and banned any drinking events
I actually think the event didn't have a sponsor but idk
wait mightve had a few actually so maybe he did lose out on them too
marsh oracle
hoary charm
"Dear Mr. Japan, here's the story. You're going to pay a 25% tariff on your cars," he said.
this is too funny
marsh oracle
John Japan, who doesnt know him
blazing depot
Is he related to Tim Apple?
dire canopy
the Johnny Somali case keeps on giving
one of the victim is filing a petition for severe punishment which if it gets accepted which it probably will because all requirements seem to be fullfilled his sentence will get aggrevated
so atm the punishment he can get goes from "6 months to 12 years" to "4 years 3 months to 12 years"
and the child welfare act thing apparently has enough evidence and the police is likely to send it forward to prosecutor
proud tulip
hope he gets 0 support from the US
blazing depot
Shoulda pretended to be MAGA sooner
half heath
Man idk what we're doing in Canada. Basically obeying trumps demands thinking we'll get something out of it. The trade negotiations better go well or else Carney looks pretty spineless
eager parrot
Man idk what we're doing in Canada. Basically obeying trumps demands thinking we...
yeah I don't really get what your government is doing
Trump threw a tantrum and two days later Canada already bowed down
and not even the first time this year
this is like round 6-7 of him constantly questioning Canada's sovereignty and threatening stuff and pulling back from even negotiations for a deal...
not to mention Trump getting basically all he was asking for, even if symbolically, at the NATO summit
I guess when an unhinged person is the president of the world police, everybody just does what he says after all
and he is getting away with it every single time
half heath
Yea this is when I start believing maybe he's not the incompetent negotiatior we thought he was. He's just really good at strong arming and using leverage against people. He looks like an idiot when it doesnt work though
I do think Carney is giving the concession for 2 reasons potentially
First to avoid setting our economy back over something that can probably be altered later and buy time to set up other agreements
And second I've been hearing that Canada + the EU have been working on a new digital service tax for years and it might still be implemented later
I'm gonna hold back on judgement until I see how the trade deals go
If Trump keeps pushing thinking we are pushovers than it would be a huge failure for Carney
Oligarchs are really winning. Got the president halting a whole trade deal with another country to increase their profits.
marsh oracle
Yea this is when I start believing maybe he's not the incompetent negotiatior we...
Bro iran was like a week ago
half heath
Lol I mean he is dumb but brute force works as we've seen. He's a bully and bullies usually win when they are stronger. Im not saying he's like persuasive or rational.
But in some negotiations, you can get more from being a bully
at least short term
marsh oracle
Does it work?
fossil basin
FxTwitter
marsh oracle
Cause he said he was gonna sign 90 deals in 90 days
Lets count the number of trade deals theyve signed
half heath
Does it work?
I mean objectively he is getting what he wants with us
marsh oracle
Aaaaaaand we are done
eager parrot
What's the point of signing deals with the US when they just renege on their deals on a whim?
half heath
Do not get me wrong, im only talking about one aspect of negotiating
marsh oracle
I mean objectively he is getting what he wants with us
In this specific case maybe? But the negotiations arent over and the tariffs are still hurting the us economy
eager parrot
this is just playground dynamics on a global stage
half heath
Yes Im not ignoring that
I didn't mean to come across as trying to paint him as a masterful and skillful negotiator. What I meant is this specific negotiation tactic (I know its not a tactic for him and he doesnt know any other way) can be more effective than reason or diplomacy in some cases.
As I understand, Biden admin also tried to get rid of our DST
marsh oracle
I thought the dst was supposed to be implemented today
half heath
And also this appeasing oligarchs shit is not really gonna help Americans anyways. Its just a way for his admin to keep getting their bribes
yea the plan for the DST I mean
marsh oracle
Also im just pointing out that youre falling for the bit where trump claims relatively minor things as his victory when overall its all going to shit (which of course is the democrats fault)
half heath
Oh im not, Im just looking at it objectively for this one case where we are taking a loss
marsh oracle
Like the dollar has been devalued by 10% since he took office
Its been 5 months lmao
half heath
Yea see its why I put conditions on my claim in the first place. He looks like (or is) an idiot when it doesn't work.
Another thing is, we are seeing leaders around the world treat him with kid gloves this term because they are actually afraid of his tyranny and potential to actually cause problems globally
marsh oracle
Yes everybody is trying to figure out how to move away from the US
half heath
Yes everybody is trying to figure out how to move away from the US
yea like I said, short term gains for him and his cronies seems more important to them than the long term effects.
Also
marsh oracle
For sure, trump has the foresight of a smoothed out stone
half heath
NATO countries i think conceded that theyd all spend more of their gdp on defense
like we have to spend 5% of our gdp by 2028
when US is currently spending like i think 3-3.5%
marsh oracle
Yea i will believe it when i see it
half heath
they are the bigger economy but like we keep taking losses
marsh oracle
Took like 10 years until everybody even started considering the 2% target lol
half heath
yea but the messaging is different right now even if maybe not realistic
marsh oracle
Fwiw its 3.5% on military and 1.5% on surrounding things like infrastructure
half heath
So like optically I have no choice but to say we can't stand up to Trump right now as is. Maybe in the near future we can get some more leverage but right now it sucks to say we can't stand by our own ideals
marsh oracle
But its definitely a big increase, also helped by russia still going in ukraine
Yea i dont think anybody expected the US to get mega owned right off the bat
half heath
Maybe the smarter heads will figure something out and prove bullies will get the short end like we all want
marsh oracle
But every import already being 10% more expensive will have an effect on the economy and its not getting better
half heath
For sure
marsh oracle
Not to mention if this budget bill passes and the ice budget gets like 50x'd 💀
half heath
I'm waiting to see Americans start panicking and MSM switch up on him more but Idk if it will happen
half heath
Not to mention if this budget bill passes and the ice budget gets like 50x'd 💀
Every few weeks, I keep thinking they will push Americans over the edge finally but it never happens.
marsh oracle
Nah they just start up the fox news/podcast propaganda machine and its fine
eager parrot
I'm waiting to see Americans start panicking and MSM switch up on him more but I...
news tried that for 10 years, it didn't take, only made him more popular
marsh oracle
Happened over inflation and again over iran
eager parrot
heck, them doing that to him for that long made him even more vindictive
half heath
Yea but like its gotta hit home some time. Im just wondering what the threshold is
Like I know his base is called a cult but there's gotta be a line where even they turn on him
But maybe not
they are happy to see immigrants get deported. It doesnt matter how awful their own lives get
eager parrot
despite all the rhetoric of 2nd amendment crowd, I feel like until there are tanks and bombers attacking US civilians in the cities, nothing ever happens
this population is the most susceptible to boiling frog syndrome
blazing depot
despite all the rhetoric of 2nd amendment crowd, I feel like until there are tan...
I guess Marines illegally performing police duties doesn't count
eager parrot
The scale is too small, the location is a city most of the country hates
half heath
maybe when they finally move onto the "homegrowns" as he says he will
the deportation industrial complex must be making someone rich
in time they are gonna need new targets
eager parrot
I guess Marines illegally performing police duties doesn't count
but that is what I mean by the boiling frog syndrome, they're going to keep it small and localized on purpose to not piss people off
and even then we got a multimillion strong protests
just happened to coincide with an Israel-Iran war to conveniently quell the crowds and shift the attention
really makes you think
and we went and bombed another middle east country on a whim again
like if Trump actually started bombing cartels or something, nobody would complain >_>
here in the US anyway, sorry Mexico
half heath
and even then we got a multimillion strong protests
Well I think the failure of this is that it was done on weekends and had zero consequences. If people start staging multiple day protests even sacrificing work, maybe more impact could happen. A general strike would be powerful but obviously costly for the attendees.
half heath
I mean blue states and cities aside from a few red ones probably have the most corporate interests. So if all their operations halt and they lose profits for multiple days, Id expect them to start pressuring Trump in some way.
And when everyone starts seeing how much the country is failing because they can't access their day to day needs and facilities, its gotta start being obvious its because of the admin failures.
obviously fantasy right now
but without sacrifice I dont think the majority of people will ever be heard again at this rate
languid tree
If Trump keeps pushing thinking we are pushovers than it would be a huge failure...
The issue with Carney has the same people from Trudeau’s office. We’ve seen them pushed around and I think they’ll get pushed around again. I don’t know why Pierre was seen as the pushover when he himself has criticized Trump over the tariffs. I guess when you’re the right the assumption will always be that they’re a Trump supporter.
marsh oracle
Thats what happens when you style your campaign after trump and accept endorsements of the usual trump bobbleheads
half heath
no man thats not true. There are some key people who haven't changed but its mostly been different members. And Pierre is literally a stain on Canadian politics.
Stephen Harper is his main backer and is the head of the IDU which is a right wing think tank
They use populism and other bullshit to divide Canadians to cover for their exploits and corruption
I can criticise Carney any day but the difference is I expect him to have a standard. Pierre and the conservatives I dont trust or have faith in to have standards
Don't fall for the bullshit, Pierre and the conservatives are not good for Canada as is. Liberals have faults but their dangers are not even close to what I imagined being under Pierre would be like. At worse, Liberals will make things less affordable. At conservatives worse, it would probably be something like what we see in US right now plus things being less affordable.
and less social benefits
Pierre is literally corrupt and there are many evidence of him using taxpayer money for his own expenses
languid tree
That’s all fair. Maybe I’m wrong, but in the end it all depends on the person. Personally I liked Harper’s government but I did still vote liberal
marsh oracle
What pierre up to nowadays, did some poor sucker give up their seat for him?
languid tree
Nope he’s still the leader of the Conservative Party
half heath
He has to run for a seat in one of the most right wing places in canada
the re-election hasn't taken place yet
marsh oracle
So somebody did step down to trigger that reelection right?
half heath
yea that's right
marsh oracle
🫡
half heath
That’s all fair. Maybe I’m wrong, but in the end it all depends on the person. P...
Harper I guess did manage to keep the economy stable but it was the same story with him as it was with Trudeau. People got sick of him and his poor handling of some domestic policies.
At the end of the day, the only reason Pierre even had any steam was because Trudeau was unpopular and his garbage pandering to right wing. Without that he has nothing to stand on.
languid tree
Don't fall for the bullshit, Pierre and the conservatives are not good for Canad...
I have a very hard time believing that, I do think we need stronger borders but ICE type of actions is so hard for me to see. I’ll be honest I don’t watch Pierre campaigns or Trudeau. But I don’t view the Conservative Party as the same as Republicans, but there are voters in the right that are very much MAGA.
half heath
Oh I meant it would be the same type of garbage politics that stands on divisiveness, lying, and corruption.
the ICE stuff is a big leap but it started from somewhere
languid tree
Harper I guess did manage to keep the economy stable but it was the same story w...
Yeah, I think for Justin was after COVID. Canada just needed something new imo. It was a good call to change leaders, but tbh if Trump didn’t say about invading Canada, then conservatives would’ve won
half heath
and thats where the conservatives were leading us
languid tree
Oh I meant it would be the same type of garbage politics that stands on divisive...
That’s true, that’s one of the reasons why I voted liberal. I’m just so tired of the garbage banter, and I knew PP would’ve fed into that and the media would also feed to that. Just a toxic cycle