Misc Chat

[eager parrot]

That's still like a ... 23% chance of failure

Either way, I can't believe we're here again after 2016 and 2020, with two very old people nobody really likes vying for the top office of the most powerful country on the planet.

America will be fine though, whether Trump wins or Biden wins again.

It's a pretty sturdy institution despite the cracks showing.

Even if Trump and his people had a tendency of picking at those cracks...

[vital needle]

Unfortunate

[eager parrot]

lol why

the alternative to an american centric world is a pretty grim one...

[forest sigil]

it's tough but 2016 and 2020 had the highest amount of voters in our history with around 54.8% and 62.0% of our eligible population voting.

[eager parrot]

at least confidence in the american democratic system isn't massively dropping like certain other countries with 35-40% turnouts...

[forest sigil]

it's another thing to say about the candidates likability though because you'd have to ask if they voted because they felt like they had to or wanted to.

[eager parrot]

hey, fear is a pretty strong motivator lol

[forest sigil]

and for any JFK Jr. nonsense he's pulling more votes away from Trump so

he's at like 10% polling atm

[eager parrot]

at least people believe they can instill some level of change through the ballot box still, before the other boxes come up as an option

sadly my state has gone full red from previously being an important bellweather/battleground/swing state...

not even sure when and how that happened

[forest sigil]

My wish after 2016 was for people to pay more attention to midterms and voting for Senators/Representative. It does look like it has happened a little bit with the 2018 and 2022 midterms at around 60%. Midterms are where a lot of action happens as far as senate and house of representatives. This is not counting local elections to the specific area.

You'll see republicans wanting to stop mail-in voting and early voting from happening, because the more people vote the more they lose.

[vital needle]

For the first world, sure. But im sorry, i didnt wanna start a serious discussion rn im just bored

Not gonna derail election talk

[eager parrot]

republicans need to stop derailing voting access

but democrats also need to stop derailing voting security, even if republicans push that stuff in bad faith

I can't think of any other western democracy where voting identification is handled like in the US, even if it usually is a minor/non-issue that doesn't affect election results

it affects perceptions of those results though.

[forest sigil]

it's just another example of a niche or statistically insignificant thing happening and republicans fiercely acting like it is a widespread problem.

[eager parrot]

it is also an example of two sides just unwilling to discuss and meet in the middle

make voting easier and people will vote more

why put it on a tuesday for example when most people are at work?

even if you can take time off legally

[forest sigil]

it's because one side actively loses when that happens

one specific side loses when more people vote so they make sure it doesnt happen

[blazing depot]

You forget that more voters essentially automatically means the GOP loses

There's a reason they are trying their best to disenfranchise as many people as possible

[eager parrot]

maybe historically that was true, and I've had to look that up, but recently the trend in other countries has been less certain with regards to the high turnout = left/center winning correlation

[forest sigil]

some jobs give the day off like mine, some give you a break on top of your lunch break, and some just make you use your lunch break.

[eager parrot]

mine begrudgingly gives paid time off but they whine about it a lot and ask people to advance vote as much as possible

german bosses

[marsh oracle]

Considering the supreme court just rules that presidents can order seal team six to assassinate their political opponents, idk about this one

[eager parrot]

they did not say that

that was in the dissent as a possible extreme scenario

[marsh oracle]

Well, the dissenters did

[eager parrot]

not a blueprint for trump to follow lol

also presidents could do that before anyway

military would just refuse if it was an unlawful order

[marsh oracle]

No?

[forest sigil]

I absolutely hate that the specificed "Official Acts as President" and didnt expand on what that means, therefore kicking it to lower courts, who then will go back to the Supreme.

[eager parrot]

that's what the supreme court loves doing

it keeps them busy and relevant

[marsh oracle]

Well its not just that distinction right

Cause if something is a core power of the presidency

[eager parrot]

if they covered all the bases, they'd be sitting around doing nothing

[marsh oracle]

Then hes just straight up immune

Theres no deciding if it was official or not

But yea insane decision on multiple levels and its basically just a "whos gonna abuse this first?" thing

I hold that biden should just try it out

Even if the supreme court overturns their own decision, dudes gonna die anyway

[forest sigil]

I was and am in favor of dems using it to expand the SC with their own picks but who knows

I'd ideally like that and also term limits instead of a lifetime appointment

[marsh oracle]

Germany I think has 12 year terms, with no option to be reelected

[eager parrot]

I don't know if the president can do either of those without congress

it has to ammend the Judiciary Act

[marsh oracle]

Whos gonna stop him?

The supreme court?

[eager parrot]

who is going to enforce his unlawful executive order though?

supreme court nominations have to be approved by senate anyway

[marsh oracle]

The executive

[forest sigil]

in a perfect world the president needs congress to do a lot of things outside of executive order. but who really knows what the actual power of those are

[eager parrot]

in a perfect world, the congress would do its job of making clear and concise laws frequently, ammending existing ones to go with changing times, and sunsetting useless ones that are no longer relevant.

so the supreme court wouldn't effectively turn into a lawmaking body

[forest sigil]

the problem is to pass anything you need a majority to get it through and that comes with a lot of caveats when the senate is split even or 1-2 away from an outright majority.

this doesnt include the house

[eager parrot]

true, the polarised congress is definitely contributing to the problem

[marsh oracle]

Its kinda crazy that the republican party is in the state its in and american voters still keep giving them almost half of the senate

[eager parrot]

even 30 years ago, they could still work on bipartisan stuff regularly

[forest sigil]

it's why you get weird shit like border stuff in a bill about the highways

classic https://youtu.be/SZ8psP4S6BQ

[eager parrot]

omnibus bills should be illegal given the vast breadth of stuff they cover and nobody even reads them until 5 years later when some agency in charge of creating regulations based on those bills passed realize just how much of a fuckup some of them are

[marsh oracle]

As bad of a candidate biden is, idk how you arrive at trump without being either uninformed, captured by fake news or genuinely stupid

[forest sigil]

fear

[blazing depot]

Frankly, even majorities don't seem to do shit when Republicans just refuse to debate in good faith and filibuster everything to a standstill

[forest sigil]

you buy into what the republicans are selling you with fear

[marsh oracle]

Then again, trump lied the entire debate night but nobody really cared

[eager parrot]

the irony here is when the republicans have a majority, they also don't get shit done

[forest sigil]

because there are some moderate republicans that break on stuff too. it's hard when you dont have a majority in all 3 phases.

[blazing depot]

It's just Trump being Trump, what a hoot

[marsh oracle]

Im so curious how history will look back on this entire trump movement

[eager parrot]

I'd suspect it'll be looked at as a death knell of the west

sadly

I like it here

[marsh oracle]

McCain voting no on the aca repeal

[marsh oracle]

Guess in the end, the west does lose to the russian disinformation campaign

[eager parrot]

when said disinformation campaign dates back several decades in the making, yeah...

but they're also going to collapse to their own issues

[forest sigil]

almost like mainstream media wants one candidate because they give him more ratings and more $$$

[eager parrot]

Trump era was just a gold mine for CNN

right after, they had a massive decline

[hoary charm]

i dont have to provide id when voting

but then again im on a small island in the middle of nowhere

[forest sigil]

it was a gold mine for independent creators too like Youtubers and Twitch Streamers

[eager parrot]

I suppose it's easier to keep track of y'all when there's only 5million of you lol

but also I assume you register somehow beforehand

and have your name on a list when you go to vote

whether automatically registered through tax returns or otherwise I don't know how it works in kiwiland

[marsh oracle]

Civilized countries just automatically register you to vote

[hoary charm]

most get registered at school before you turn 18

[marsh oracle]

The us system is horse shit in a lot of ways

[eager parrot]

most civilized countries also have nearly automatic tax filings, unlike the voodoo 100+ page forms we have to fill here...

every year...

[forest sigil]

technically we are getting closer to that as the IRS are developing their own free system

[eager parrot]

true, thankfully

[forest sigil]

but who knows if that gets axed or not lol

[eager parrot]

sigh lol

[marsh oracle]

Im sure all the people doomering about electoralism and how dems dont change anything only have the good of the country at heart

[eager parrot]

to be fair, most of the things democrats also want to do they don't usually do when they have majority

they use fearmongering too, not as much as republicans, but they definitely like to dangle the carrot and hit you with the stick at the same time too every election cycle

[marsh oracle]

Yea cause the majorities are shit and not all dem senators subscribe to the same idea

[forest sigil]

you already know their monthly paychecks are looking fatter recently

[marsh oracle]

Like when one dem from a deep red state can torpedo your bill, whats the majority really worth

[toxic spoke]

there's so many obstacles to getting to the DMV and getting an ID especially in rural areas

I gotta say it's so nice just getting a ballot in the mail a month in advance

[forest sigil]

All comes down to funding

[marsh oracle]

Smth smth small government

[toxic spoke]

I guess being an embarrassment is nothing new. The administration can run things perfectly well but having our largest figure of representation perform like this in speeches sucks so much

[blazing depot]

That's evil and wrong, you clearly just wanna commit voter fraud

[toxic spoke]

zuckerberg put me up to it

[blazing depot]

Zuckerbeeeeeeeerg

[eager parrot]

I don't know if this came up recently, but youtube has started to throttle 4K for non-premium users

and instroduced a new codec number for premium 4K

[blazing depot]

Didn't they announce that ages ago

And it's still honestly fair game

[eager parrot]

I was under the impression it was test rollout and not a widespread thing but yeah they may have mentioned it

it's interesting too, they dropped .webm for the 4K premium and are using mp4 packaging for their rollout but still on VP9 encoding

[blazing depot]

Basically the only reason people will complain about yt 4k not being free is "B-but it was always free???!!!"

[near jetty]

fuck that shit

I hate them

I ain't paying to watch dollar store encoding

[blazing depot]

Then you get 1080 and that's ok

[last eagle]

there's 1080p premium and normal 1080p

would have done the same with 4K as well

but the difference would be normal 4K is stored in webm while the premium 4K stored in vp9 and has clearer video

i feel like new ceo rn /s

[eager parrot]

they're experimenting

collecting data is what they're good at after all

they're trying to see what works and what doesn't and what maximizes their profits and minimizes damage to the userbase numbers.

[near jetty]

haven't even been able to watch 4k for months now

[eager parrot]

it gets extremely throttled and slowed down

even on multi gigabit fiber service

and some users and geographic zones get downright no 4K now as it's locked behind premium

the workaround, just like the 1080p premium, for the time being is using a download program like yt-dlp or similar that access the iOS api and get the premium content "for free" if you care about watching the 4K for something badly

or paying for premium of course

but that's not a reasonable option for many who already have many other subscriptions

although another workaround for that is using lower regional pricing, but ain't nobody got time or patience for that

[near jetty]

time to become a vimeo user

[last eagle]

https://youtu.be/ywDlsfy44ng?si=Jh_8AXj1tpjq0J8T

[last eagle]

despite everything unhinged that is birdland, they do have one goal
https://fxtwitter.com/elonmnews/status/1811884682415427834

[hoary charm]

thanks for the update from ElonMNews who happens to follow back all Patriots

[oak lodge]

elon musk united states flag parody @elonmnews

[oak lodge]

https://6abc.com/post/donald-trump-escorted-off-stage-secret-service-during/15056992/

they clipped his ear. Holy shit

https://tenor.com/view/sorprendido-cara-surprised-shocked-face-wow-oh-god-gif-15759918

[clear tide]

wow

[blazing depot]

Shoulda aimed better

Really though, it's not very clear what happened yet

Bad thing is, this will basically guarantee his win

[shadow elbow]

good photo op for him

[blazing depot]

The best possible

[shadow elbow]

||https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSZsPeTWsAAYg3c?format=jpg&name=large||

[blazing depot]

And you don't need a lot of brain cells to guess what is spewed forth on SNS rn

[shadow elbow]

there is currently no brain cells on sns rn

[blazing depot]

It was literally Joe Biden himself, but his aim was too unsteady

[oak lodge]

can't imagine the type of adrenaline the perpetrator had. Possibly taking aim beyond 25metres

not easy if they snuck something handheld instead of posting up like Lee Harvey

[blazing depot]

Blood pack in Trumps Maga hat, clearly

[grave shore]

wow he is very lucky to be alive

[vital needle]

He isnt lucky, we are unlucky rather

[oak lodge]

two such things can coexist

[blazing depot]

Eh, we don't really know anything. For all we know it was a paintball gun

[marsh oracle]

Idk, do you wanna test the civil war larpers like that?

[oak lodge]

the pops were pretty substantial

video on cspan

[tough root]

That’s probably the secret service mag dumping whoever fired the bullets

[grave shore]

how long until full blown civil war starts over there

[oak lodge]

you can hear different return fire yes and someone communicating "shooter down"

[eager parrot]

would there be a civil war though

[thorny schooner]

they gonna play many men at bros next outing

[tough root]

😂😂 real bro

[oak lodge]

wild lol

[near jetty]

People have too much treats and toys to lose for a civil war

[oak lodge]

it was just a movie folks, please... they wouldn't

[marsh oracle]

Well looking forward to how the eu will handle another 4 years of trump

[thorny schooner]

mfers talk about civil wars and then hop on cod civil war after a night shift at amazon

respectfully

[oak lodge]

well that depends on if he straight up ignores them, if he even makes it

[oak lodge]

the masses play fortnite now I thought or roblox

[marsh oracle]

Hey, tim pool has to be right at some point after predicting a civil war for 10 years straight

[oak lodge]

dame, do the honours with the eyes open looking at phone gif

[marsh oracle]

Maybe biden did actually test that recent supreme court ruling

[near jetty]

Lillard?

[eager parrot]

to be fair, those who are dragged into a domestic conflict are almost always just normal average folks going about their lives beforehand

[blazing depot]

I'm sure the CIA assassins can do a better job than that

[near jetty]

but a civil war never happened when the people have Culver's or Walmart

[eager parrot]

the CIA just subcontract it out to the mob like in kennedy's case

[thorny schooner]

yeah tim pool also wants the age of consent to be like 13

[oak lodge]

ooof

[thorny schooner]

so

dont believe anything that fucker says

[shadow elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-bff-gif-7211882

[blazing depot]

Is he from Alabama or something

[eager parrot]

what is with this type and age of consent all the time

they're all experts in the subject matter

they'll cite you 50 different countries with low age of consent

and know the history of age of consent in various places in europe and north america off the top of their heads...

[blazing depot]

I mean, should be pretty obvious what it is and I'm not gonna spell it out, but yeah.

[eager parrot]

yeah I just came to the same realization in real time...

[oak lodge]

grifters love their dogshit takes

[oak lodge]

A few updates have circulated, I'm sure you will see it later, ignoring speculation.

[blazing depot]

I don't really see any changes in the narrative

[last eagle]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1812287436543676729?s=46

OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) on X

Sources with the Pennsylvania State Police are reporting that all of the Bullets fired at Former President Donald Trump appear to have Missed, and that the Injury on his Right Ear occurred as a result of Broken Glass from a Teleprompter which had Shattered on Stage.

Twitter · Jul 14, 2024, 12:46 AM

oh, it was the shattered teleprompter

[eager parrot]

there was footage of some kind of lift getting hit as well, hydraulics fluids spraying out

[hoary charm]

definitely won’t embolden his fans

[blazing depot]

Gotta love the "It was a woke, antifa, trans Biden supporter" discourse

[marsh oracle]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-identifies-thomas-matthew-crooks-subject-involved-trump-rally-shooting-2024-07-14/

So my guess would be somebody mad at trump for being pro israel, like deep into the kool-aid conspiracy stuff

[blazing depot]

He just registered to cover his tracks, clearly

[last eagle]

apperantly i saw the tweet post that this is the only time the simpsons missed the prediction

[hoary charm]

https://fxtwitter.com/Kariyu101/status/1812294062806061386

i take back everything negative ive ever said about gen ai

this is incredible

[trim flicker]

Aint no way

[last eagle]

lol

[pale viper]

Summary:

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire~~ because Hiko was already dead.~~

[hoary charm]

og banger

[dusky rapids]

https://twitter.com/farrckh/status/1812466431436509582

eve (@farrckh) on X

Twitter · Jul 14, 2024, 12:37 PM

[proud tulip]

US people - a lot of times when these shootings and whatnot happen it comes out fast that they're registered republican/democrat. Is it necessary to register or do just a lot of people do it?

[haughty steppe]

uhhhhhhhhh

you have to to vote i think

[toxic spoke]

About 31% of the population of people eligible to vote aren't registered
It's not necessary and a majority of them have probably never been asked to register

[haughty steppe]

oop nevermind

[toxic spoke]

stat from census.gov 2022

[dusky rapids]

[not US] i recall reading you have to be registered in order to vote in the respective primaries?

[marsh oracle]

Afaik registering as a rep/dem just gives you the ability to vote in primaries

[toxic spoke]

Depends on the state but yeah, there's different types of primaries that are either open or closed to just your party preference

[proud tulip]

I seeeeeee

[dusky rapids]

that does sound like america

[proud tulip]

thats interesting

we have to be registered here in the UK but not affiliated to a party

our votes themselves are anonymous

[hoary charm]

same

[haughty steppe]

voting here is messy

there's so many obstacles

[proud tulip]

basically just prove we live where we do and they can assign us a polling station

yeah it sounds messy

sounds like you almost have to pre-plan your vote at registration too?

Im assuming you could be registered for one and then vote for the other, but it sounds unlikely

especially given how team focused it is there

[toxic spoke]

You can in the general election yeah

[proud tulip]

[toxic spoke]

and usually the news uses this info of the suspect (motive, manifesto, political stance) to make the other side look bad and use it for or against gun control

lovely country

[proud tulip]

Yeah it's so crazy how fast it is to come out surrounding a shooting

This one made slightly more sense as it was a political target

[dusky rapids]

it's just how polarised the society is i guess

[toxic spoke]

usually discovered alongside what weapon it is, what states that weapon is legal in, if it's a kid how they obtained it, criminal record, etc

[proud tulip]

those are certainly more reasonable for a gun attack

[dusky rapids]

you wouldn't see political affiliation be as much of a deal in other countries, but you do still see some news reporting on the race/nationality, class, and educational background on criminals
and obv part of the intent is political, to stir discontent/suspicion/animosity towards the "other" community

[hoary charm]

its increasingly becoming more of a deal here, granted we don't have much political violence going on as it is

2019 was definitely along one side of it but wasnt really the focus

[dusky rapids]

yeah that's the trend across the world, polarisation

[hoary charm]

pretty much

[dusky rapids]

blame social media & the internet i guess

[charred fulcrum]

Hi

As a Southeast Asian should I be invested in the story of what the fuck happened to Trump yesterday/2 days ago?

Cause tbh I am out of the loop

Only know the mans' ears got clipped

(and the "he/she wouldn't've missed" memes)

[dusky rapids]

a "should i" question 🤔

that kinda depends on whether you care about us politics right

or how much of your life is affected by US & geopolitics, to your knowledge

[toxic spoke]

if you weren't already invested in the US election then nothing is changing really, life goes on, the RNC is this week where he'll be nominated, you'd be in the loop if something does come up

[charred fulcrum]

No

[charred fulcrum]

Unfortunately, some said our currency is in shambles because of US currency soaring up

So like if I said "to hell with US" I kinda can't

Or can

I dunno

Like right now I am very binary with Trump

The internet has shown me how a POS he is so my state of mind is basically "he alive or na?"

"he aliv?" "k"
"oh he ded?" "wow" "..k"

Literally

[dusky rapids]

yeah but are you in a position to change anything that affects you?
(you probably are if you invest)

if not then i don't see how following us politics will be beneficial to you

[charred fulcrum]

Huh

Ok how about this?

Right now I don't care what US is going on right now

But what US is going on right now can either not change or drastically change how I consume stuff

[dusky rapids]

how

[hoary charm]

nothing will change short term for you

the problem is long term

[charred fulcrum]

Yeah the long term is what I am on about

[hoary charm]

and even then there's nothing you can do, its all global geopolitics

[charred fulcrum]

We have some

UTTER

BELLENDS

in the cabinet right now

[hoary charm]

dont we all

[charred fulcrum]

Like there's religious extremists to liberalist

[dusky rapids]

that's also kinda common around the world

[charred fulcrum]

Inbetween? can count with my fingers

[dusky rapids]

(just don't compare to sg 🚣)

[charred fulcrum]

Right now we are like.... VERY ACTIVE AND OFFENSIVE towards the US/Israel boycott

"US BRAND? BOO FUCK OFF"

Like that

BUT

[dusky rapids]

i don't think that's gonna change whether it's trump or biden ngl

[charred fulcrum]

nah I am talking US general

[hoary charm]

if malaysia rejects US influence then it'll be getting china filling that void

[dusky rapids]

so are you still asking about this or

[hoary charm]

pick your poison i guess

[charred fulcrum]

The question diverted to you saying "do you care about US politics"

Which is indeed the bigger topic

And like I said

I don't

but there's the small "you have to" that I am feeling

[hoary charm]

trump/biden affects you in the sense that trump is nationalistic and will cut off support/influence for other nations, leaving china and russia to scoop them up

its the same issue here

[charred fulcrum]

Because apparently what US does, it gets discussed in the parliament and MPs are like "wow they ban that? let's ban that too"

I am at the age (number wise) to be expected to know at least the surface of global politics

if I ask around

but nah I don't know anything

[dusky rapids]

ok so the answer is... you want to start learning more about it?

[charred fulcrum]

and I want to keep being ignorant just for this topic

[charred fulcrum]

That's the question I am trying to answer myself

[dusky rapids]

the answer lies within 🧘

[charred fulcrum]

And the answer is.....

I don't know

Emphasis on "age (number wise)"

[dusky rapids]

well you seem to be primarily concerned about your government's policies towards the US
which basically comes down to who you're gonna vote
which none of us non-malaysians here are even remotely familiar with so...

[charred fulcrum]

Fair

it's because religion is in the mix

and extremists

do I have FOMO?

is this a form of FOMO?

[hoary charm]

dont think fomo is the word youre looking for

[charred fulcrum]

o rlly kek

what is then

[hoary charm]

what would you have a fear of missing out on wrt US politics influencing malaysian politics

[charred fulcrum]

I don't know

Like I want to not care

I currently don't care

but feels like to be.....aware of the world I kinda have to

Because these old geezers in my cabinets gonna copy or condemn one or another

[haughty steppe]

bro what

[charred fulcrum]

Was a genuine question

[brave pelican]

nothing on the news so far about this dude has been coherent but he seems to have had a politically split family

registered repub but also donated to some progressive program in the past when he was 17

i find it really hard for someone in this age range to not have some social media presence they just gotta find the right discord acct…

[hoary charm]

current theories ive seen revolve around the donation being a lost bet

since it was done on bidens inauguration

[marsh oracle]

The guy that got shot was apparently a text book far right tweeter

[hoary charm]

destiny was popping off all day on it

[brave pelican]

i suppose this makes sense

[dusky rapids]

think he meant fear of not being updated / missing out on info
which still isn't how we use "fomo" but yeah

[hoary charm]

kinda wild TL for a bit

[brave pelican]

i have just never heard about actblue at all

but then again i dont donate to campaigns really

[hoary charm]

its the dems donation platform pretty sure

[brave pelican]

yeah

[marsh oracle]

Republicans crying for civility after the last 8 years is pretty funny

[hoary charm]

rules for thee but not for me

[brave pelican]

honestly his yearbook photo gave it away

its like non evidence but come on a lib is not wearing some founding father american flag bullshit

[marsh oracle]

Yea but to go out and shoot trump you need to be another step further right

Like nick fuentes "trump is a zionist" territory

You know, near the edges of the horseshoe where they meet back up again

[hoary charm]

i still can't get over how much the guy looked like a stereotypical reddit mod

like that one antiwork interview

[charred fulcrum]

Now you mention that

A stereotypical reddit mod was able to acquire a sniper rifle that easily

[brave pelican]

its his dads

[hoary charm]

its america what do you expect

[charred fulcrum]

So you're saying don't piss off reddit mods?

[marsh oracle]

No, everybody in america can aquire a gun that easily

[hoary charm]

no reddit mods are the type of people that would threaten to firebomb a walmart but then not firebomb a walmart

[brave pelican]

lol they asked the gun club owner or whatever if they sold a gun to that family and bro was like "that is between me and god"

[charred fulcrum]

SEE it's not like I don't know guns are easy to get in US

but is it actually that easy

[marsh oracle]

Depends on the state but yes

[hoary charm]

they sell them at walmart

[charred fulcrum]

Like I can go with my fake ID and go "yes I need a Hi-Point 12-Gauge"?

[marsh oracle]

Ha

[brave pelican]

its harder in some states but compared to other countries it is incredibly easy

[marsh oracle]

You think you need id

[charred fulcrum]

what the fuck

[unborn echo]

i saw a reddit post last week about a church giving a gun for a raffle and im like what, but apparently its pretty common

[marsh oracle]

You probably need id in a lot of states

But idk about the deep red ones

[charred fulcrum]

So the traffic stops Tiktok I've been seeing is fake?

[hoary charm]

tiktok

[slate niche]

🖼️ >tiktok [OPTIONS] <links...>

Retrieve video without watermark from a TikTok

OPTIONS
-c, --caption : also include the caption/text of the media
-s, --spoiler : spoiler the uploaded images and text
-d, --delete : delete your message when the media is done embedding

Aliases: tik, tok, tt

[charred fulcrum]

"Sir do you have gun in your car?"

"no I don't"

checks, has gun

gets tased immediately

[brave pelican]

usually its the other way around

[marsh oracle]

On the one hand its tiktok so yes probably fake

[brave pelican]

if you get pulled over they ""usually"" tell le officer they have something or whatever

[marsh oracle]

On the other hand, people act stupid in police stops all the time

[charred fulcrum]

Ok wait

(this is totally not me being interested in US gun laws)

(but interested in guns)

[brave pelican]

at gun shows you can buy firearms from both licensed and nonlicensed sellers

licensed sellers you probably need id but the nonlicensed (basically private) anything goes

[charred fulcrum]

How decked out can you get, unlicensed?

[brave pelican]

some states do have their own laws on private sellers but its mostly just a few

[charred fulcrum]

Like can I just...own an AR?

[hoary charm]

irfan about to get put on a list

[marsh oracle]

Mate it all depends on the state, youre better off asking google instead of a chat of non americans

[brave pelican]

its mostly just "sporting" stuff but that is a very vague term

[charred fulcrum]

Ah

okay

Bolt actions

[brave pelican]

im not too into it but like an AR is like

used for hunting and shit

it doesnt stand for automatic rifle

just to preface

[dusky rapids]

considering some of the shootings in recent history have involved ARs...

[charred fulcrum]

I know

the AR platforms

Would be p stupid of me to ask for AK platforms

on a freedom land

(or is that not a thing anymore?)

(land of the free, Kalashnikov included?)

[charred fulcrum]

With the obsession I had about airsoft based on my Google data I am suprised I am not in it yet

(but also games)

See, games DO influence you

[hoary charm]

not me im built different

[charred fulcrum]

Ok wait

Just for research imma look at the pics about the "allegedly staged" shootings

gonna ID the gun

[dusky rapids]

man you have a real talent for phrasing/expressing things in a more suspicious way than necessary

[charred fulcrum]

LMAO

[hoary charm]

before you know it he's gonna be posting /pol/ screenshots

[marsh oracle]

In other news https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-tosses-trump-documents-case-ruling-prosecutor-unlawfully-appointed-2024-07-15

This country is so fucked

[charred fulcrum]

First off

1. No, I only do /x/ stuff, even then I quit
2. Me getting into politics forum/reddit would mean my sentences will be less coherent than what I am already

huh, I can't find the photo anymore

Did the internet overlords already doing their work?

[blazing depot]

That judge was always gonna toss the case first chance she got, that particular case was over the second she got assigned to it

[brave pelican]

yeah thats unsurprising

[marsh oracle]

I mean yea its not surprising

But her citing the recent supreme court decision too

Idk, shits fucked

[blazing depot]

None of this matters any more anyway, after the photo op Trump just got he's pretty much guaranteed to win

[hoary charm]

here's how bernie can still win:

[charred fulcrum]

I stopped my intrustive thoughts

[blazing depot]

Because apparently getting shot at makes you good president or something

irf no offense, but I think delving into the intricacies of US politics isn't good for your brain, might wanna steer off

[charred fulcrum]

Yeah I've decided that very early on

[toxic spoke]

all the dem donations go through them

[charred fulcrum]

Just that MY ENTIRE TIMELINE is making the meme I was like

"k is this the new hot stuff I should be following?"

[marsh oracle]

Irfan it might be better to not consider social media timelines as guides for what to follow

[charred fulcrum]

.....that's also true

SEE here

I don't even wanna KNOW who breathed and gasped in US

[toxic spoke]

I know someone like this and had to point them to him endorsing biden

[charred fulcrum]

But the "she wouldn't miss" and it's a picture of <insert GG idol pic> flooded my entire For You page and I was like

"uhhh...

"I know y'all hate him but is this appropriate"

[brave pelican]

i will run for president after i develop my frontal lobe

[charred fulcrum]

Ethically, is it okay for me to be okay with the mans.....

[brave pelican]

i am still waiting for the software update

[charred fulcrum]

You know

[marsh oracle]

Yes

[charred fulcrum]

liven't

[marsh oracle]

Its ok to not be sad about a wannabe dictator with a proven attempt to subvert the last result of an election potentially being dead

Lots of other people to be sad about

[charred fulcrum]

It's not the "ok to be not sad"

[brave pelican]

its a shame it wasnt both of them

in game in game

not IRL of course

[charred fulcrum]

It's the "want him demonetized"

[marsh oracle]

Thats just the accepted level of discourse

[charred fulcrum]

Accepted?

Oh ok

[marsh oracle]

When pelosis husband was beaten with a hammer all the same people crying about the trump jokes now were out there making jokes about it being a failed grindr date

It is what it is

[charred fulcrum]

Hmm interesting

[marsh oracle]

I feel like people forget this but trump was walking around in the mid 2010s saying obama was secretly a kenian and his us birth certificate was faked

Civility has been dead for a while

Oh also secretly a muslim, almost forgot that myself

[brave pelican]

times is gonna make that trump pic photo of the year

[toxic spoke]

as a resident you probably still shouldn't say or make that known just because of the consequences, whether that be devout family members or saying this on social media could get you fired or have the fbi at your door

[charred fulcrum]

Ok but I am over here in Malaysia

So I can just

Say that I am

[hoary charm]

the fbi is everywhere and also reading this conversation

[trim flicker]

hi guys

[brave pelican]

eh

[trim flicker]

not fbi here

[brave pelican]

i've said worse

[marsh oracle]

[brave pelican]

so

[blazing depot]

I have no problem saying that I wouldn't have minded if that local police officer had disturbed the shooter, like, a minute or two later.

But yes, probably shouldn't say that as an American on a public SNS account

[toxic spoke]

she passed the audition

[marsh oracle]

Lmao

She can replace roberts, probably gonna write equally insane opinions

[toxic spoke]

yeah that's all I was getting at, Malaysia or Germany no problem

[hoary charm]

might get your american-based platform account suspended tho

[toxic spoke]

yeah evan vucci is winning the pulitzer
edit: just saw that it was already TIME cover too

[blazing depot]

As much as I hate it, it really is the picture of all pictures

The perfect, immaculate money shot you only get once in your life

[charred fulcrum]

Unless he repea-

[blazing depot]

Like, there's a reason people saw that shit and went "yeah, this has to be staged"

[charred fulcrum]

🤐

[dreamy ledge]

my face during election season here

[marsh oracle]

In surprising twist, trump picks somebody as vice president that has said he would have gone along with trumps fake electors scheme

[valid magnet]

i just got an ad of this stupid trump picture on a shirt i wanna fucking die

[trim flicker]

i dodged the pic entirely

for now

[eager parrot]

great

now my whole state's going to be ultra red

he just had to pick from ohio smh

[marsh oracle]

I wonder what its like to call somebody literally hitler and a few years later you start licking their boots

Like does he ever think about that when hes trying to sleep or is he just too far gone? Same with ted cruz and all these other republicans

[eager parrot]

In some parts of the world, people would be willing to kill somebody for as little as $5-10K

Backtracking on some mean words or some principle beliefs in exchange for becoming VP of the united states doesn't seem like a major price lol

same for other republicans, they're willing to go with trump's way if it gives them power and control, which often also translates to a lot of wealth gain.

look at how quickly they changed their tune with regards to abortion when trump said he won't really care or push either pro life or pro choice as part of his agenda.

career politicians, especially those living in the DC bubble for any significant period of time, don't really have beliefs or principles anyway, they just want to hold their positions or climb up the ladder, while also increasing their net worth, all else be damned.

[marsh oracle]

Oh no I fully understand the material motivation

I just wonder if they can keep their conscience quite the whole time or if it wakes up sometimes

[eager parrot]

They don't really have any conscience anymore.

As you presumed, they're just too far gone.

[marsh oracle]

I guess thats a rare positive thing about mike pence, at least his conscience stepped up in the right moment

[oak lodge]

you need an ID regardless in that state for firearms purchase.

[shadow elbow]

most people can pass a background check especially if they haven't assassinated anybody yet

also it was an AR-15 which are everywhere

[oak lodge]

and tobacco yes

[shadow elbow]

alcohol kills!

[oak lodge]

it's a pretty woodsy state

[oak lodge]

sure as shit don't help!

[shadow elbow]

guns are fun to shoot

not at people

[eager parrot]

they are so commonplace among people you end up being acquainted with, you just get used to it, assuming you aren't living in a completely liberal urban center and actively avoid the types of people and families who have firearms in the house.

more common than owning a lawnmower or truck lol

[oak lodge]

ehh, the statistic is pretty skewed

it's because you can buy 4-8 of them for the price of a used automobile

[eager parrot]

depends though

[oak lodge]

everyone in the US has cars. They kinda depend on them more than anything as adults especially. Infrastructure and all promotes it. By household? Oh yes, probably more than the amount of cars parked on/near property but this is abundance [per domicile] unlike being out on the street.

[eager parrot]

it really is location dependent

there are cities where a car is just an impediment to your daily commute

but otherwise yeah for the most part you can't really go from place to place without a car as the public transit system isn't great and the distances are too great

if you ask somebody where something is and they tell you it's 5 minutes away, that's 5 minutes by car almost every time, from an ideal traffic-free perspective.

[shadow elbow]

5 min by boat

[eager parrot]

if you live near the great lakes or by the coasts, sometimes that does happen, they take ferry travel into account lol

[oak lodge]

was just being pedantic with how it's stated plainly my bad

[eager parrot]

look, our infastructure architects never learned about loops, okay

[shadow elbow]

I can't understand loops and shit those are hard to read

[oak lodge]

the american mind could never

[shadow elbow]

books are also hard to read

[oak lodge]

mildly concerning

[eager parrot]

though chicago's issue is that they built the city and kept building on top of previously built areas before they figured out that they need a public transit system that encompasses all that mass

[shadow elbow]

my home schooling focused more on loving god and playing football

[eager parrot]

you laugh but for a first world highly industrialized highly advanced country, our literacy rates are abysmal

[oak lodge]

it's unfortunate

[eager parrot]

something like 30 to 50 percent of adults depending on state are at basic level (Level 1), and only around 30% of all adults are at proficient level... So 20% are below even basic literacy level.

I don't have the latest statistics or standardized testing or polling results, but I'm sure there's a wikipedia article with all that out there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

[eager parrot]

yeah that fucked over the education system pretty thoroughly

and we never recovered

part of the competency crisis we're facing is due to that as well as other dogmatic approaches to education sadly.

[shadow elbow]

washington, texas, california

[toxic spoke]

He flip flopped before his senate run now he’s the second in line to the whole party

[near jetty]

uh the new california republic

[shadow elbow]

those are all first names

[near jetty]

i know a way to solve the naming countries problem

hoi4 class

[oak lodge]

be like a lot of people and name the entirety of a continent

[eager parrot]

look, cardinal directions aren't our strong suit except when it comes to civil wars and racism

so we just think south africa is "africa" the country

just like south korea

[shadow elbow]

if elong musk is africa why is he white

[eager parrot]

his mom was canadian

[shadow elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-karen-white-ask-gif-5661579

[blazing depot]

https://youtu.be/FTQbiNvZqaY?si=QsLVxNLfdNhmm-6q

[near jetty]

massive shoutout to Africa

[dreamy ledge]

wow, just hit a billion views last month

[last eagle]

https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/1813717073761300597

[eager parrot]

what kind of credit cards are they stealing with that kind of credit limit

[toxic spoke]

incredible, thread https://x.com/troyhunt/status/1814174010202345761

Troy Hunt (@troyhunt) on X

Something super weird happening right now: just been called by several totally different media outlets in the last few minutes, all with Windows machines suddenly BSoD’ing (Blue Screen of Death). Anyone else seen this? Seems to be entering recovery mode:

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 5:42 AM

[hoary charm]

this is really funny

the thought of planes running on windows

[last eagle]

wow

I remember WannaCry spreads like wildfire

but this

[hoary charm]

its not a virus

[last eagle]

yea i know

that's ransomware

[toxic spoke]

plane broke cause: driver update

[hoary charm]

i mean the thing thats happening now, its a bad driver update from an enterprise security software

crowdstrike had some issues a while ago that were pretty bad too iirc

[eager parrot]

tries to prevent cyber attacks

ends up causing the biggest cyber attack like simulation ever

imagine the data!

[marsh oracle]

Uh oh

[eager parrot]

thankfully I won't have this issue in the morning since my company neither supports, certifies or allows crowdstrike on any of our systems or servers. might have something to do with offering a competing thread detection/prevention product, but who knows

[last eagle]

https://x.com/roaneatan/status/1814192790869582090

ロアネア@最多情報源バズニュース (@roaneatan) on X

CrowdStrikeがWindowsブルースクリーンの対処法を発表

1.セーフモードかWindows回復環境で起動
2.C:\Windows\System32\drivers\CrowdStrikeに移動
3.C-00000291*.sysにマッチするファイルを削除 ※アスタリスク部分は00000291abc.sysや00000291999.sysなどどんな文字にもマッチするという意味
4.起動

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

[hoary charm]

lol just went to the supermarket and half the self serve checkouts are down cause of this

[blazing depot]

Bruh

Airport Berlin is completely down

In England apparently SkyNews was completely off the air due to this

[dreamy ledge]

https://fxtwitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1814212729118285962?t=BgXitxfdKLg1f9FXqaEHmg&s=19

[blazing depot]

The workaround seems pretty simple, but I suppose in environments with hundreds of computers it's also not super viable

Feels like the perfect occasion for
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GS1QBTRXQAApHji.jpg:orig

It is kinda amazing to see how quickly one shitty line of code essentially halts half the world to a grind

(it's probably more than a line, but you get the gist)

[hoary charm]

just surprises me how much critical infra still runs on windows

[blazing depot]

Normies don't know how to operate fucking Linux

And critical infra is 99% run by normies whose expertise in computers lies in calling IT

[marsh oracle]

Wat

[dusky rapids]

wew

[blazing depot]

Actually the most fitting comment I've seen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GS1paTGaoAAZVU0.png:orig

This really is what people thought the y2k computer crash would be like on scale

[hoary charm]

mums org reckons it wont be until monday that itll be fixed

[marsh oracle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/s/mpbZ0z2nk2 this guy just made a lot of money

[hoary charm]

lmao

[marsh oracle]

All the affected machines cant be patched by crowdstrike since theyre offline so this shit is gonna take a while

[hoary charm]

yeah thats what i just tried to explain to her

she even asked if i could come in tomorrow and fix the systems they have locally lol

[last eagle]

it took down many crucial activities

[blazing depot]

Just from an IT novice standpoint, can they even remotely fix systems that are on BSoD loop or do those need to be manually hotfixed to then be able to receive the proper fix?

[last eagle]

from around the world, it seems very troblesome

[blazing depot]

Cause I don't see how a machine already in that loop can run updates, logically

[hoary charm]

apparently the fix is to boot into safe mode and delete a specific driver

[marsh oracle]

Yea you gotta boot without the driver

[hoary charm]

Edit 11:27 PM PT:
CrowdStrike Engineering has identified a content deployment related to this issue and reverted those changes.
Workaround Steps:
Boot Windows into Safe Mode or the Windows Recovery Environment
Navigate to the C:\Windows\System32\drivers\CrowdStrike directory
Locate the file matching “C-00000291*.sys”, and delete it.
Boot the host normally.

[marsh oracle]

Im sure eventually there will be a more comprehensive script for it

[blazing depot]

Yeah, I saw that. But if essentially every single affected computer needs a manual fix on site this won't be fixed by Monday. Hell, this won't be fixed this month, lmao

[hoary charm]

ip kvm company stonks going nuts after this

[blazing depot]

Every IT guy everywhere ever getting their vacation canceled

[clear tide]

i don't get it, what is op being rich for

[hoary charm]

he bet on crowdstrike stock dropping on june 11

since then the stock is down like 10%

then the happening just now

[clear tide]

iguess he made a big bet then

actually idk how betting works iguess the ratio making him rich

[hoary charm]

i think how it works is that if it hits, he'll be buying 5 stocks worth like $300 each, for $7.30 each

puts are confusing

[marsh oracle]

Basically the put option means that until 11/25/2025 at any point in time he can force the option seller to buy from him 100 shares of crowdstrike at 185$

[hoary charm]

that sounds far more reasonable

[marsh oracle]

Also just to be clear, 99% of what that guy wrote is complete bullshit

[blazing depot]

It's a reddit post, that goes without saying

[marsh oracle]

[hoary charm]

lmfao

[marsh oracle]

Dont need to hack things when the s3 bucket is open for visitors cause nobody configured it

[last eagle]

insert "does he know" meme here

[ocean vigil]

ofc you can't hack clouds, it's just water doh

[blazing depot]

What about clouds of smoke

[ocean vigil]

isn't that just water and dust? ask him

[marsh oracle]

I love wallstreetbets

[blazing depot]

The average computer user probably doesn't even know how to enter safe mode these days tbh

Back in my day if your computer crashed, like, once on reboot it'd ask you if you wanna start in safe mode

[ocean vigil]

the instructions are simple enough, but everyone who had to navigate someone via screen share to do something knows that even the simplest instructions can be insurmountable obstacle sometimes

and this would be without seeing what they are actually doing

just remember the last time your parents needed pc help via phone

Microsoft is not gonna be happy with the way news sites are presenting it

[hoary charm]

everything ive seen from normies leads with it being a microsoft issue yeah lol

[last eagle]

@charred fulcrum https://x.com/ruffleseed/status/1814207452176601324

𝗞𝗘𝗡 (@ruffleseed) on X

KLIA is down

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 7:55 AM

mega rip

[charred fulcrum]

yeah uh

it's

...not looking good at public transport town

[clear tide]

wait

i gotta check my train then

[last eagle]

damn i wonder if there's this attack on my country

[charred fulcrum]

Think this is the very first time I am witnessing a nationwide train service disturbance

[hoary charm]

its not an attack..

[charred fulcrum]

And I am alive

I mean alive to witness this

[clear tide]

cool all seems good

[charred fulcrum]

The service still works just.....weird things are happening

I guess when you refuse to move on from Windows 7 you got that lucky

[hoary charm]

lol

[charred fulcrum]

oh no wait

Fuck

fuck

Can I withdraw cash?

Wait I haven't checked our ATM services

Oh no ok I am

Not feeling nice

[grave shore]

yeah and with automatic unverified updates coming in

[charred fulcrum]

Ayy Petronas

Our national petrol brand

[last eagle]

wow

today's event might affect her tour hmm

[brave pelican]

https://vxtwitter.com/netcapgirl/status/1814237313913778454?s=46&t=rQ2GexwvzoQ0yntHknxJTQ

first day on the job

[eager parrot]

well at least SOME good came from this

[valid magnet]

https://x.com/swatic12/status/1814245018409779531?t=-rZ2btx-mB3XYTLVKg7Znw&s=19

SwatKat💃 (@swatic12) on X

When their is a global outage but your office laptop is working just fine
#Microsoft #Crowdstrike

Twitter · Jul 19, 2024, 10:24 AM

[eager parrot]

real

today at work, we were unaffected by this, but so many organizations that run our various software were calling us trying to figure out what to do, and the higher up directive was to tell them that crowdstrike was never certified for running on our servers or in conjunction with our software lol

we still had to work 😔

[blazing depot]

I came to night shift and we got emails from IT on how to fix it stating that some PCs had been affected

Not mine though, so I'm unfortunately working

[eager parrot]

it's actually crazy that the affected systems pretty much have to be manually fixed one by one, usually with direct physical access

and sometimes it's one of like multiple different fixes that ends up working

"fixed by monday" yeah right

[blazing depot]

Companies like BMW were pretty quick about it, but they probably called in the entirety of their IT staff and sent them where needed

Now, I don't see, say, Woolworth fixing their self checkout terminals quite that quickly, lol

[brave pelican]

my mom had the great luck of flying somewhere today

hella delays and her luggage was lost for a bit; unsure if its airline being its usual or the whole crowdstrike stuff

[blazing depot]

Well, airports and airlines were in shambles today, definitely a bad day to fly

They gave out hand written boarding tickets for crying out loud

[eager parrot]

one would hope an event like this leads to some level of reflection on what to do in case of an actual targeted cyberattack, this has been a great "drill" so to speak 😄

[brave pelican]

airport one of the worser spots to be in today

[eager parrot]

and shows that they really aren't ready lol

[blazing depot]

To be fair, no cyberattack can realistically even hope to achieve this magnitude

[eager parrot]

crazy to think just a single driver being malformed and they having done no testing led to this on such a global scale

allegedly lol

some are even giving events like this a name "malware with pandemic tendency"

which doesn't really make sense since it didn't spread from point to point, it was pushed from one origin to all them pretty much at the same time

[brave pelican]

https://vxtwitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320

hmm

[marsh oracle]

Its actually joever, time for somebody to fall out of the coconut tree and save america

[brave pelican]

kamala is about to have a generational run

no policy talk or promises just shitpost ads and PR

[marsh oracle]

Its what the people want

Apparently

[brave pelican]

open convention time

[hoary charm]

trump really just won didnt he

[brave pelican]

not surprised he decided not to renew his contract...

[hoary charm]

[light sand]

Theres still hope

[toxic spoke]

copmala redemption arc

[trim flicker]

i think polling showed that most voters would like anyone but biden

so maybe him not running is indeed the best option lol

[light sand]

We will get someone stronk

Its not gonna be an oldman vs dictator oldman race anymore

[marsh oracle]

The brexit fallacy

Generic democrat polled better than biden, any actual person polled worse (on average)

[toxic spoke]

khive stand up

[marsh oracle]

Tbh I think its actually impossible to tell

[trim flicker]

we'll see i guess

really rough situation

[marsh oracle]

One of the issues is gonna be the campaign money

[hoary charm]

the impression i get from over here is that kamala is wildly unpopular

is that not correct?

[marsh oracle]

Cause afaik only kamala could use it

[toxic spoke]

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933

Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) on X

My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best

Twitter · Jul 21, 2024, 6:13 PM

endorsed her already

[brave pelican]

i dont think i really have any perception of kamala besides the memes and her cop tendencies

[keen nest]

chat are we cooked

[brave pelican]

like there is not much to take from her

at all

she kinda just exists

[marsh oracle]

Ye I think its hard to tell what people actually think of her besides her being vp

[near jetty]

we are so back

glad this old fart is gone

[brave pelican]

we still have one more

...

[ruby helm]

Polls are 50-50 I think, but Kamala needs one good debate where she demonstrates a good performance and it could swing in her favour

Bidens debates are just him stumbling as trump rambles about stuff

[trim flicker]

dems just need to run a campaign that's like hey our candidate was not friends with epstein

[marsh oracle]

Fwiw trump didnt really get a sympathy bump in the polls and his vp pick only hurt him, his rnc speech was absolutely horrible and its not like hes gonna get more coherant towards november

[hoary charm]

low bar to cross now

[brave pelican]

one giggle from her and its over

[hoary charm]

for real now

[pale flower]

I kinda think that's it for Dems honestly idk if I'm the only one who thinks that

[marsh oracle]

Trump called her laughing kamala so you know he has nothing on her

Gotta be the worst trump nickname ever

[keen nest]

nah you're not the only one who thinks that

[brave pelican]

sleepy joe is iconic

[keen nest]

was my first thought too lmao

[marsh oracle]

I mean you arent but there really isnt a way to tell

[hoary charm]

he'll have his team in the lab cooking something up

[pale flower]

If it's Kamala there's maybe a chance cause she's already got some publicity with her being Biden's Vice President but anyone else is basically unknown and would have maybe up to 4 months (at best) of campaign time

[brave pelican]

silly kamala

[keen nest]

yeah people don't really care about the other candidates

[marsh oracle]

4 months is an infinite amount of time in the mind of voters

[trim flicker]

Iirc heritage foundation was planning on challenging if they tried to remove Biden from the ballot so I think that points to reps being scared of going against someone else idk

[hoary charm]

imagine how much hillary will be absolutely seething if kamala does win

[keen nest]

[pale flower]

I heard that Pelosi is against having Harris as the dem candidate with no internal voting on the Dems' side

[toxic spoke]

she's polled better than him in recent days, before she was lower than biden

[ocean vigil]

now that's a campaign angle

[marsh oracle]

Thats a nice bonus

[ruby helm]

In addition to Kamala, Gavin Newson, Gretchen Whitmer and Hilary Clinton are the 4 most likely to be selected in a mini-primary according to betting website

[brave pelican]

😭

its so over

[keen nest]

joever*

[pale flower]

I just think that if that means the Dems go for a vote for a candidate then it'd leave them with probably 2.5-3 months of campaigning

For like, most likely a whole new candidate too

[marsh oracle]

Dude hillary Clinton needs to be jettisoned into space if she cant stay out of this

[ruby helm]

Could Hilary make a comeback?

If she rallies the party core/elders around her

[marsh oracle]

Lol no

[ruby helm]

By that I mean the leadership

[marsh oracle]

She lost to trump

It does not get worse than that

[hoary charm]

sure it can

she can lose twice

[keen nest]

[marsh oracle]

The fact that she thinks she still has relevancy is baffling

[pale flower]

Worse is Trump winning twice

😭

[marsh oracle]

I wish I had that kind of confidence

[brave pelican]

hey now hilary was teaching some classes at columbia last i heard

apparently they were shit though

[marsh oracle]

I can imagine

[brave pelican]

if kamala can get a cool vp mate then its possible

but if its pelosi…

[toxic spoke]

No point in having two people from CA

same reason newsom won't be her vp

[hoary charm]

doesnt everyone hate that guy

even californians

[marsh oracle]

They arent picking two women

[ruby helm]

Do the party leadership core not like Kamala? If Pelosi is pushing for a mini primary to decide the candidate?

[marsh oracle]

Shes gonna pick the pastiest man you have ever seen in your life

Like more boring than Tim caine or whatever hillarys vp was

[toxic spoke]

she'll pick someone like Roy Cooper

[ocean vigil]

she should pick ron swanson

[hoary charm]

watch it be pete buttigeg and they all pikachu face seeing people unfortunately refuse to vote for a woman and a gay man

[brave pelican]

💀

pookie

honestly if that makes him leave NC fuck it

[marsh oracle]

Could pick hunter biden for maximum chaos

[hoary charm]

bangers incoming

[trim flicker]

real

[shadow elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-smile-reaction-gif-gif-6602333999158339483

[hoary charm]

i'd vote for help7759

[shadow elbow]

you're in luck, I've got a write in campaign going

[blazing depot]

Damn, it's actually Joever

Now can Kamala beat the "I got shot at, therefore I am special and fit to rule the nation" angle

As dumb as that sounds btw, she needs a white male christian VP pick

Do you fit that bill, help

[brave pelican]

she has plenty of those to choose from

[blazing depot]

True

[trim flicker]

many guys named Christian

Not sure help is one of those

[shadow elbow]

reasons why you should vote for me for US president

• I am young and strong. I can easily reign for at least 50 years. I can run from one side of my room to the other very nimbly and in less than three seconds.
• I know a lot about politics from playing Civilization 5. I don't play on a very high difficulty but I always win and winning matters.
• I will outlaw crime. Criminals will be unable to perform their favorite past time.
• I cannot be sniped. For the previous reason and because I am too fast.
• Kpop products will be same day shipping and free.
• I will solve the US border crisis by simply removing the border. The US will double in size and be much larger compared to Russia on the maps, which means we are better.
• I will win the war in Ukraine by deploying not only Seal Team Six, but also all the other Seal teams, as well as actual seals.
• I am fun, hip with the kids, and relatable. I am also a white male
• I will solve the conflict between Israel and Palestine by creating a new, much holier land for each person to live. This new holy land will be built in the sea and will include a swim-up bar.
• I will replace taxes by simply printing more money for the government to use. Inflation will not be a concern because the bills will be the same size and will have no air in them
• Healthcare is free now, doctors and hospitals will be funded by Mexico

[blazing depot]

Seems legit

Somehow not crazier than the Trump campaign bullet points

[ocean vigil]

had me at the actual seals

[toxic spoke]

why has no one thought of this

[ocean vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-seel-it-is-i-none-shall-pass-gif-7831077928448799230

[pale flower]

• Kpop products will be same day shipping and free.
  This one alone would get you the win tbh

[trim flicker]

I'm not an US citizen but I'd vote anyway

[ruby helm]

If he signs a deal to print kpop products in the US, that could save the $30 shipping fee

[pale flower]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aFX4-5VIAkM Relevant

[clear tide]

lmaoo

[blazing depot]

Kek

[half heath]

help how do I vote for you from another country

[trim flicker]

mail in ballots to his po box

[oak lodge]

likely. Kamala is a streeeeeetch

[near jetty]

wrong

[oak lodge]

You're probably more informed than a gut feeling

[blazing depot]

Honestly way too early to tell, but again... beating his "I am a hero because I got shot at" nonsense will be tough. Wouldn't say it's impossible though with the right VP

[forest sigil]

whoever the nominee is will probably pick either Andy Beshear or Josh Shapiro both Dem governors

I'd lean Josh Shapiro since he's PA Governor

there are hints that they may run a double woman ticket with Gretchen Whitmer for her VP

[near jetty]

girls get it done

[trim flicker]

double woman

[forest sigil]

yeah first time in history for US

Can't believe the republican nominee would be the oldest president, what kind of party would elect someone that old?

[oak lodge]

rhetorical

[eager parrot]

I genuinely can't recall an election in the last 25 years where the choice of VP was that significant of a vote changer/mover

[dusky rapids]

that's great and all, but who's your vp pick

[eager parrot]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-election-2024-ending-race-be10da43b9447ef1230c178b15c4760a

One minute beforehand is insane.

I wonder what happened.

[forest sigil]

he got a call from inside the house

[eager parrot]

ah the wicked witch of the west made her move, despite being even older than Biden.

[forest sigil]

been hinted that Obama even turned on him too so

[eager parrot]

their relationship has been rocky since 2016

when obama basically asked him not to run because it was hillary's turn

and then they lost to Trump of all people 😄

Democratic Party's super delegates have always been a very bizarre thing compared to the GOP. People like former house speakers or former presidents have way too much power to pick candidates.

Doesn't feel very democratic.

[vital needle]

Why would you expect the united states to be democratic anyway

[eager parrot]

when everybody in the media keeps saying "we must proteccc democracy" you start to think there's something to protect

or all the various random things that are "dangers to democracy" constantly being breaking news with flashing red lights...

[forest sigil]

I'd definitely say the GOP is a danger to democracy

definitely to civil rights & liberties

[eager parrot]

other seemingly democratic countries do fine with far right governments

[forest sigil]

define "fine"

[eager parrot]

the system survives long enough for them to be ejected kind of 'fine'

[pastel shale]

cant wait to read murdochs articles on how trumps age makes him wise and perfect

[vital needle]

Do they though? Only example I can remember is west germany waiting for all the nazis in their government to die out

What other big far right movements got ejected fine?

[pale flower]

I just want to say that it's crazy to me the extent of how performative the US elections seems to be, in that they seem to rely heavily on things like debates, how well the candidates can keep their sentence flow and public perception, Trump putting a big ol' ear bandage to emphasize his wound... like, I can't remember the last time I actually heard about either party's actual policy

Like I guess you could say the same thing for any country's election but these "debates" really feel like they make it even worse for US elections

[blazing depot]

US politics election cycles have pretty much always been performative in the modern age

[vital needle]

Its the same policy except for culture war shit

Of course there is not gonna be any talk about it

Ruins the point

[forest sigil]

the policies are there but they get over shadowed by teh performative actions

[blazing depot]

Facts don't matter, it's just the buzzwords of that time that no one will follow through on after the election anyway

[forest sigil]

I have seen Project2025 being brought up more which would be a playbook for Trump's policies

[pastel shale]

i cant lie performative is at least entertaining, aussie politicians always ramble about policies and i dont think theyve followed through with any of them

[pale flower]

Well yeah of course it's "entertaining" but that's just the thing

[ocean vigil]

i don't want my politics to be entertaining

[blazing depot]

Politics being boring is good. Government shouldn't be exciting or fun to follow

[pale flower]

Makes it feel more like watching a play than watching the future leader of the free world be decided 💀

[vital needle]

Lmao

Free world

[pale flower]

You get my point

[pastel shale]

true, both our parties are pretty much right winged so its a bit of a clownfest here

[blazing depot]

"Entertaining, exciting" politics lead to AH giving rousing speeches to the masses

[pale flower]

Future leader of a major country that has a lot of impact on a lot of OTHER countries all over the world

[forest sigil]

there have been some rights and policies being brought up like abortion rights. The problem is that you have a reality tv star on one side and that side believes every word.

[eager parrot]

GOP actually has been toning down the abortion stuff because of Trump's directives.

Because they know it's a losing issue.

[forest sigil]

deeply unpopular

lost them some seats in the midterms

[eager parrot]

even here in Ohio that has gone deep red in recent years it's a losing and deeply unpopular issue.

[blazing depot]

I will say that since Trump it really felt like nothing mattered any more. Everyone knows every word he utters is a lie and it does not matter.

[pastel shale]

yep like how hes on good terms with kim jong un

[forest sigil]

just wait till people hear what they want to do to Social Security

[pastel shale]

definitely north korea doesnt want to nuke everything anymore

[eager parrot]

I think in retrospect it never really mattered, news organizations just make a lot of money bringing up Trump so we get to know about all the lies more often and realize that it doesn't matter.

[blazing depot]

Everything bad is probably the fault of Hillary's Emails anyway

[forest sigil]

independent news or commentators make bank from Trump too, because it's easy engagement.

[blazing depot]

I can't do another 4 years of Trump news cycle, man. And I'm not even American, just aware

[eager parrot]

the last 4 years when he wasn't in power, they still couldn't let go of covering trump 24/7

[pastel shale]

since rupert murdoch basically owns aussie media i sure dont want trump

wonder if the democrats have a nominee charismatic enough to swing moderates

[eager parrot]

they have Kamala Harris

it's almost a forgone conclusion that she'll be their nominee

[forest sigil]

it's legitimately too difficult to tell what moderates/swing voters will do at this point. Anyone who has a definitive on what will happen is wrong.

she's getting all the endorsements already, unless you want Joe Manchin

[pale flower]

Don't mess this up Pelosi 💀

[pastel shale]

i thought the consensus was hit or miss with kamala?

[forest sigil]

who knows

[eager parrot]

I think she's being glass cliffed here

[blazing depot]

Big thing is that she is the only one who can use all the campaign donations that the Biden/Harris campaign has collected so far

[eager parrot]

so they can bench their actual stars for the next time

[blazing depot]

And that's.... a lot of money

[forest sigil]

and they just got $52 Million today after the announcement

[trim flicker]

Whoa

[eager parrot]

there's like a 100 days or so until the election, I wonder if all that money can make her likeable to the voters, both democrats and otherwise

she certainly wasn't very well liked by democrats in previous nomination primaries

[trim flicker]

I think a lot of them are just content with voting for someone who doesn't look like they'll die in 3 days

Is the vibe im getting

[marsh oracle]

The republican reaction makes me pretty confident

I did not expect "Jan 6 wasnt a coup but this is"

[forest sigil]

republicans dont know what to do atm

[pastel shale]

republicans gotta drop the old age = bad argument completely lmao

[forest sigil]

they have been making fun of her cackle so

[blazing depot]

Like honestly, provided she gets the ticket, the "One is senile a megalomaniac liar and the other is even more senile" problem that I've seen "moderates" bring up as a conflict for their voting stances

[eager parrot]

she certainly shouldn't do that cackle in a debate

[pale flower]

Do we know how much money the Biden vs Trump 2020 campaign took for both sides?

[forest sigil]

they cant go after her being a cop/prosecutor because the right loves that

[blazing depot]

Is just gone

[pale flower]

Just makes me think man that's a lot of money 💀

[ocean vigil]

hasn't someone already tried that anyway?

[blazing depot]

lol, what

[eager parrot]

that kind of money seems like a lot from other countries' perspective for election campaigns

but it's just par for the course in american context

[forest sigil]

this is biden's totals

[trim flicker]

From everything I've seen I think republicans definitely wanted to run against Biden

[eager parrot]

in 2020 they spent like 14 billion dollars during the campaign and the election

[pale flower]

Holy shit 💀

[ocean vigil]

what a fucking waste of money

[pale flower]

real LMAO

[marsh oracle]

Stimulus package for the economy

[blazing depot]

Yeah, US election cycles eat up the GDP of a couple dozen countries combined

If you limited that shit the money could literally feed the world

[eager parrot]

and we're never NOT in an election cycle

[blazing depot]

But alas

[eager parrot]

it's just constant election cycles

every year

[forest sigil]

they certainly cant use the old card they have been using

[eager parrot]

everybody's always in campaign mode instead of getting shit done

[blazing depot]

feeding the world would be socialist/woke I guess

[forest sigil]

it doesnt really work if they try to

[marsh oracle]

Also the hidden angle here is trump calling kamala a slur on live tv

Not that unlikely considering his mental state

[forest sigil]

he wont debate her

she'd mop the floor with him

[ocean vigil]

campaing limit for our main (parliamentary) elections is 90M CZK, that's like 4M USD