Actually the DDR was pretty pro homosexuality, way ahead of their time
#Misc Chat
valid magnet
Huh I didn't know that
vital needle
Actually the DDR was pretty pro homosexuality, way ahead of their time
Afaik, it was the same towards trans people and women rights (in regards to maternity leave, divorce, etc)
But that's only stuff I saw on twitter too
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pretty cool
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https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/9/23593099/elon-musk-twitter-fires-engineer-declining-reach-ftc-concerns
man fell off and fired an engineer over it lol
balmy igloo
wonder how long before the block feature “breaks” and anyone who had him blocked starts seeing his posts again.
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"Employees showed Musk internal data regarding engagement with his account along with a Google Trends chart. Last April, they told him, Musk was at “peak” popularity in search rankings, indicated by a score of “100.” Today, he’s at a score of nine. "
flop
haughty panther
then he fired those employees lol
last eagle
we're doomed
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hoary charm
does that have anything to do with the montana airspace closure
shadow elbow
yeah they issued a NOTAM saying it was restricted for national defense
blazing depot
Have you seen Independence Day?
keen nest
was nice knowing yall
balmy igloo
after that last one, maybe they should invade sooner....
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reborn was pretty good
keen nest
April it is
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Yeah this is insanely fucked up
blazing depot
anything that burns black fumes --> guaranteed acid rain
I mean, this is just plain wrong a statement
blazing depot
Bad omnipotent being
oak lodge
I know it's based on the chemicals... but usually that's the colour of burnt plastics with said chemicals
blazing depot
Either way, terrible situation
trim flicker
what media coverage
blazing depot
You mean the lack thereof
blazing depot
Hunter Biden's laptop more important
haughty steppe
https://twitter.com/CastiglioneFrnk/status/1623065766491746309?t=VMczj-A9gLS2Ft7...
Yeah this is terrible and even worse since the government is lying about the severity of it
trim flicker
It's all good just pay attention to the UFO
Don't mind the thing with catastrophic consequences for anyone on that area
oak lodge
good watch
blazing depot
Imagine news services in the US caring about environmental damage, lmao
Haven't seen Nope yet
haughty panther
I fail to specify and research in real time
Lmao
atomic ether
It gets insurmountably more troubling the more you look into what’s going on politically and the active muzzling of independent journalists and researchers
near jetty
odd
blazing depot
This was the Alien sent out by the mothership to look for its pal who was shot down the other day
And soon we gonna get the White House skybeam
near jetty
you can tell it's not aliens because that's a space force level threat
balmy igloo
My gut is telling me Elon’s starlink satellites are falling
blazing depot
Well, Starlink did say they didn't want the evil warmongering Ukrainians use them for their war efforts
aka Elon said it
Maybe this is the way he gets out of that
balmy igloo
Or his satellites are built as well as his cars and were bound to fail sooner rather than later
blazing depot
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It gets insurmountably more troubling the more you look into what’s going on pol...
Yeah it's honestly really scary
There's also reports of animals on the area dying or being really sick, water being contaminated
balmy igloo
Torch it
keen nest
Pro max maga soon
charred fulcrum
yeah they issued a NOTAM saying it was restricted for national defense
Oh shit so thing was actually a foreign object?
static creek
the invasion is imminent
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the twitter account i literally only follow kpop stuff was recommending me elon musk tweets
curious
Suddenly after he complained about his reach
His account pops up on my feed out of nowhere
As "popular in your area" 
unborn echo
bring out the monkeys. the bloons are invading
last eagle
bloontd 7
eager parrot
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lmao
eager parrot
it's actually quite fascinating and terrifying, wow. replace like 95% of online commentary and posts with chatgpt and whatever bing is using, this kind of natural language processing models ... https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/
and nobody will be able to tell the difference
which I suppose is kind of the point
how long it is adopted to Korean and idol companies use it for their bubble/fab/etc.
clear tide
wait the ufo thing was real?
blazing depot
Not much difference between an AI and the dead-inside intern who has to pretend to be a quirky hyper active on SNS 16yrs old idol
blazing depot
wait the ufo thing was real?
In the sense that it was indeed an unidentified flying object, yes
Not in the alien ufo sense
blazing depot
that sounds more like university level 
eager parrot
getting closer to 99 luftballons
clear tide
you haven't watched enough movies
blazing depot
Listen, most kids aren't tech wizard genius like apparently literally every kid in a marvel movie
clear tide
alot of those young western 80s movies got some random kid making a rocket
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That's true
agile waveBOT
blazing depot
Twitter
I remember someone here wondering why they saw some Elon twt the other day
This is why
This was no accident, Platformer can confirm: after Musk threatened to fire his remaining engineers, they built a system designed to ensure that Musk — and Musk alone — benefits from previously unheard-of promotion of his tweets to the entire user base.
Amazing
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I remember someone here wondering why they saw some Elon twt the other day
Me
LOL
That was right after he complained about his reach too so I just assumed he started boosting his own tweets
And there it is
blazing depot
You'd think the world's richest man wouldn't be this fucking insecure, but nah
blazing depot
Grimes apparently took his balls with her as she left
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True
unborn echo
thanks elon you're blocked. now wait 'til he asks the engineers to make his account unblockable
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dw that's gonna happen next week
valid magnet
I enjoy the block time don't take this from me too
In two weeks he will make his name unmutable
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what the fuck lmao
charred fulcrum
you Malaysians u good?
eager parrot
https://twitter.com/MovingToTheSun/status/1625156575202537474
how did they distill my ex into a chatbot?
Bing's implementation, despite all these obvious bugs related to how far its training data goes, is a lot more "human" sounding and it's hilarious and terrifying
this is like very early infancy stage but really is the future of "search".
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Wait until they implement ads on it
charred fulcrum
don delete that right now
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But yeah I'm glad Microsoft is getting some bing usage
Google been pretty bad lately
hoary charm
imagine not running ublock origin 24/7
eager parrot
I have had adblock for so long i didn't even know about the sponsored posts 😄
well ublock since adblock went ... corrupt but you know
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It's the ones they push to be first on the main page as you search
Never noticed if it gets rid of it
Probably does
eager parrot
hopefully we're heading towards the end of that kind of search result page, 3 ads followed by specially prioritized results before you find what you wanted in the first place at the bottom or the 2nd page
it took a bit of getting used to, but duckduckgo generally does well enough 85% of the time for me anyway, but sometimes google is still needed...
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I think the idea of implementing chat bots on search isn't actually bad but unfortunately corporate interest may and will fuck it up
Expecting news on ad implementation and stuff soon
eager parrot
they'll figure out a way to monetize it better for sure. ask for a proper recommendation for a 3-course dinner meal for a party? it'll include "prioritized" recommendations involving some company who paid to have their products come up first
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Yep
charred fulcrum
Ain't that just modern day SEO?
eager parrot
yes but chatbot makes it sound a lot more friendly and human rather than just a link to a recipe
trim flicker
Yea they'll actually recommend you while sounding like a person
Hopefully
Which shouldn't feel as intrusive as an actual ad, in theory
eager parrot
the sample on bing's side
now just replace some parts with sponsored products and tada! paid chatbot advertisements
the possibilities are endless really, and for once, while Google's SEO is cutting edge, they're somewhat behind on this
mainly because they can't figure out how to push out a product and support it past two years without thinking about putting it in the graveyard
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Google is a weird company
eager parrot
between their decision for chrome to move to Manifest V3 soon, which limits a lot of extensions and addons like adblockers, and their new "Privacy Sandbox" for Android coming, which is ironically named as it is another tracking and ad targeting system, I've been slowly moving away from their products.
hoary charm
i would swap to firefox but its so bad
eager parrot
after the initial transition, it's mostly painless now
I was firefox user when chrome came out but chrome eventually won me over but now I'm like 90% back to firefox now for several months
grave shore
firefox goated
grave shore
sounds like a system issue
grave shore
I only keep chrome installed because fucking Microsoft teams doesn't support firefox how stupid is that
hoary charm
lots of google products are like that
cause they use js/css features that only chrome supports
hoary charm
youtube used to have issues a few years ago
firefox would use a design that was like 5 years old whereas chrome used their new one
grave shore
oh I'm not at all surprised about that one, surely they're gonna give new stuff to their own browser first
grave shore
unfortunately
proud tulip
if you block elon do you still see his tweets
balmy igloo
i havent in a while
evne when people qrt him
im just left wondering who the heck theyre quoting
proud tulip
hahaha okay
thats the answer for me then
opening twitter to a wall of elon tweets when i dont follow him
not fun
blazing depot
See topic earlier, Connor
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Con got contaminated too 
blazing depot
This is why you only looking at the following tab
proud tulip
yeah its why i asked if blocking works of if he overrides
proud tulip
true
honestly if he does that im just deleting
i only use twitter for football now
halcyon iron
i would swap to firefox but its so bad
it's rly not that bad idk
I'm on windows 11 and I barely have any issues
though I can just fall back to edge if I need chrome
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Edge honestly pretty good
halcyon iron
yeah but it's getting a bit bloated for my liking
plus manifest v3
though if manifest v3 doesn't change like a LOT then I might go back to chromium
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Well i just use firefox ever since manifest v3 was announced to get used to it lmao
grave shore
i use firefox not for any features but more for the built in privacy, it being open source, and not wanting to support google monopoly
halcyon iron
thats understandable
firefox being private is a plus
and the sync is apparently end-to-end encrypted too but idk if thats true or if i just misread something on mozilla's website
lilac lodge
I just use Firefox to browse Facebook with my 2nd account
Facebook friends seeing your comments on a random page they don't follow doesn't make sense to me 😒
proud tulip
firefox the goat
forest sigil
Pretty cool stuff https://news.umich.edu/scientists-find-first-observational-evidence-linking-black-holes-to-dark-energy/
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
Neat
Just read through it
That's actually insanely cool, first observational proof and it lines up so well with everything else
Altho I always worry about these who lineup really well cause then some time later it's like "well that was wrong"
forest sigil
That's just science really
forest sigil
Keep finding a way to prove something wrong until you can't. I wrote my master's on Dark Energy so it's cool to me.
vital needle
A job opening in Brazil asking for "1 year of experience with ChatGPT"
balmy igloo
hope people apply claiming to have that experience
blazing depot
A job opening in Brazil asking for "1 year of experience with ChatGPT"
But... how
oak lodge
nice one
haughty panther
i feel like we shouldn't have a serious discussion channel to be completely honest
like i don't use it but it feels out of place for a server like thjs
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Well it is mostly unused
oak lodge
The userbase is respectful enough as to decline the opportunity to do so. — Also they would not have to deal with the scrutiny for posting something that can be triggering to a certain degree. That is what I was trying to point out in the discussion almost a week ago, it could be linked to the assertiveness of the individual
halcyon iron
does anyone in this chat own a xiaomi band perhaps
oak lodge
a "mi band"?
halcyon iron
i was thinking of getting one to replace my current smartwatch which just feels like a very expensive smartband anyways
xiaomi band
oak lodge
ohhh
oak lodge
maybe the #1052028587076767807 folk have experience with it
it's fine to ask anywhere really
halcyon iron
tech support is more for like
tech support
im just asking if anyone could recommend it and this feels like the best chat but idk
oak lodge
It is. I am just giving you multiple places to ask in the same server haha
as to place your question a bit more urgently. I would love to answer but I personally have no experience with smart band/watches
oak lodge
i was thinking of getting one to replace my current smartwatch which just feels ...
There might be a video review of it if you are considering so
halcyon iron
i know but i prefer to ask regular people yknow
i have read reviews already tho
its just always best to make sure
oak lodge
perfectly fine. Consumer testimony is pretty useful
balmy igloo
balmy igloo
costs too much for them to be sending text messages i guess
so they want blue members to pay for it
trim flicker
That's pretty stupid but I'm not surprised
last eagle
why paywalling over the 2FA option...?
that's... dumb
you can't paywalling a security feature
dusky rapids
Other accounts can use an authentication app or security key for 2FA
it's not paywalling
and even discord uses authentication apps like google authenticator for 2fa
not just text messages
oak lodge
thanks for the breakdown dust
eager parrot
authy has served me well for years
don't really trust google/microsoft authenticators
blazing depot
It's still dumb to limit security features like this
But I guess all things Twitter are dumb these days
Now watch them make 2fa mandatory on every new login
hoary charm
heh
unborn echo
March 20 came early
hoary charm
i went to remove it and it just said error lol
blazing depot
.shocked
agile waveBOT
toxic spoke
smart change but a bunch of people are about to learn what an authenticator app is for the first time
grave shore
sms auth is so much less secure than an app, every site should just stop using sms
idk why anyone would pay to use a shittier form of 2fa
balmy igloo
i didnt even have it active and it told me i had to disable it
wonder if their goal is to trick people who may not even realize they didn't use it into paying for it
trim flicker
That is an america moment if I've ever seen one
oak lodge
near jetty
utah
static creek
utah moment
dreamy ledge
being somewhat near the area, it is most definitely a Utah moment
eager parrot
sms auth is so much less secure than an app, every site should just stop using s...
so many banks only have sms auth as 2FA for their accounts, it's actually ridiculous
trim flicker
Next week update leaked huh
oak lodge
that looks like some basement dev's shitpost app notice LOL
it's bollocks
just don't jinx it ye?
unborn echo
do I get a percentage from the profit of selling my account though?
oak lodge
trim flicker
I'd love go give Meta even more information about myself
dire canopy
I love the irony of how ever since they started calling themselves Meta they stopped being the meta
oak lodge
geeet the fuck out lol
keen nest
Social media is dying 🦀
grave shore
god i hope so
last eagle
return to monke
blazing depot
These things keep getting more realistic
https://twitter.com/mrmarkpotts/status/1627061292883415050
oak lodge
these memes are getting outta hand
trim flicker
Divorce did hit him hard
hoary charm
sometimes i wonder how people get these kinds of jobs but also fall for phishing like this
blazing depot
To be fair, not all phishing is "YOU'VE WON! CLICK HERE TO CLAIM YOUR PRIZE!"
Some of it is very intricate and almost impossible to discern on first glance
grave shore
targeted phishing is very different from the spam you get
dusky rapids
technically #1042067405175783524?
valid magnet
Oh forgot this chat exists
blazing depot
Everyone does
lilac lodge
the extra doom scrolling channel
blazing depot
They been getting hit basically continuously since the big ones, ye
eager parrot
Floridians bringing their pets
blazing depot
How do you bring a four foot alligatorfrom Florida to NYC
balmy igloo
you bring it when its a baby
which is actually probably where this came from - someone bought an illegal pet baby gator and then dumped it when they realized "oh, this thing is growing and will kill me"
blazing depot
"let it kill other people instead"
eager parrot
based on this, 4ft would make it around 4 years old, so probably was brought as a baby
they're quite adorable lol
a 4 year old alligator in the video
oak lodge
aww
keen nest
oop
toxic spoke
I say crayon like cran
last eagle
halcyon iron
le sserafim noooooo
stone minnow
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1627768318827417612?t=y6G89fPAhoMQhROe5zFpQg&...
WHAT LMAO
haughty panther
anti-ti-ti-ti
pale knot
Oh no... Reddit is down 
oak lodge
ye they remarked the lack of consistent service in chat 2
dire canopy
oak lodge
yes. That is all hard candies
last eagle
it's not wrong too, i guess
trim flicker
true
static creek
as a '10 liner I can confirm this
eager parrot
1910?
unborn echo
truly young adults
oak lodge
as a '10 liner I can confirm this
last eagle
eager parrot
I remember this bit of Godzilla
oak lodge
oak lodge
I remember this bit of Godzilla
Mooooosuraaaaa~ 🦋
static creek
oh lawd they comin
oak lodge
rubbish headline
valid magnet
of course
vital needle
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sounds about right
inland dawn
Anyone knows someone in Japan? Need a proxy
Theres a special collab of a hockey team and a anime series
Need it fr fr
dire canopy
dire canopy
in Canada they apparently call them Cobra Chicken
blazing depot
Are Californians alright
The young ones have probably never even seen snow before and now get this much all at once
blazing depot
tfw this is the alternative to being constantly on fire
haughty steppe
@haughty panther #buy-sell-trade is only for loona merchandise
toxic spoke
Transporting my belongings in flood water was not fun
safely arrived, but the river overflowed into the street so that’s cool
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safely arrived, but the river overflowed into the street so that’s cool
Glad ur safe
Take care y'all
inland dawn
People driving recklessly,nothing new here
I was driving back home and noticed that my everything in front of me was dark and I couldn’t see why,and even used the flash beams and realized that there was a tree
near jetty
like on top of your hood?
near jetty
interesting
blazing depot
Bruh... that whole Abby Choi news...
Not gonna post said news cause tw, but suffice to say that tw is "murder" and it sounds like the plot of an episode of CSI
oak lodge
Woah
trim flicker
what the fuck...
oak lodge
that is awful
blazing depot
And it's not even just a "cause money" thing, cause you know, then you'd just dispose of the remains and not... this.
eager parrot
say what you want about capital punishment, but this is one case I'd be 100% behind such a decision, and China's fast with those.
dusky rapids
dusky rapids
tragic
last eagle
japan stuff
static creek
https://tenor.com/view/kawasaki-monkey-never-cramps-baseball-gif-3546302
kawasaki that's my boy
stone minnow
thorny schooner
https://tenor.com/view/kawasaki-monkey-never-cramps-baseball-gif-3546302
MY KING
KAWASAKI CLAP CLAP CLAP KAWASAKI
agile waveBOT
toxic spoke
if i had nickel for every time someone named esther connected to a company everyone hates got harassed online, i would have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice
oak lodge
I read a while back how he was terrorising residents in the islands of hawaii
valid magnet
Hawaii Most Wanted
trim flicker
damn liberals!
keen nest
True !
blazing depot
The smoothest of brains right there
keen nest
Wait I went to his account apparently they're talking about stoves lmao
Huh
Idk regardless
Electric my queen
vital needle
Wait I went to his account apparently they're talking about stoves lmao
LMAO
That's somehow even more stupid
balmy igloo
i'm pretty sure they can turn your gas off remotely
keen nest
People posting pictures of valves and saying that doesn't work
Mfer even if it's a car you no longer can get gas
KEK
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Yeah it's about stoves
toxic spoke
there was a whole thing trending because of an iphone clean energy charging setting and they were using it to point to a energy only for the elites conspiracy
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It's just another weird conservative grift
Like the WOKE XBOX energy saving thing
hoary charm
microwave your iphone for wireless charging
toxic spoke
microwave your iphone for wireless charging
messages that should be illegal to post without a disclaimer
trim flicker
microwaves are liberal they don't use gas
blazing depot
The main thing here is, why would it be a bad thing if you could turn off your gas remotely. Leaving that on when you're out is dangerous asf.
trim flicker
I think the main thing here is that they don't know how an electric stove even works
They seem to think you still use it with gas lol
Maybe there's hybrid ones i guess but electric stoves are...electric...
oak lodge
the decision to be agnostic to corporate direction is something that is entirely democratic.
but these takes? They're just too ridiculous 
blazing depot
Basically with gas stoves, there's no good reason why a regular household should have that over an electric one.
keen nest
i'll tell you what though
I was never so thankful to have a gas stove when our power went out here
now I would rather have a functional infrastructure
but I will say in that moment I was thankful
dire canopy
some people prefer gas because its faster
oak lodge
now I would rather have a functional infrastructure
This is the only valid concern
though you can also learn to start a fire and make do with cast iron
dire canopy
surely you wont have any issues with infrastructure in the future
dire canopy
It was just 5 never before seen storms in a row
keen nest
that was literally the only time I can ever remember losing power in a winter storm
not to downplay that it wasn't bad going out cause yeah it was
but yeah that gas stove was great at that time
gas oven too
oak lodge
regionally uncommon weather events are only becoming more common sadly and shifting to alternatives is plan A — due to industry-wide profiting from corner cutting. (Lack of pioneering and R&D)
It has led to the duty of emissions control being in the expense of the general population. Now if only that wasn't the predicament humankind had set itself up for when they knew the impact that fossil fuels have for the last two centuries...
eager parrot
I doubt people could have predicted the impact of fossil fuels burning at the start of the industrial revolution lol
I'm not sure we fully understand its impact even today with all the precision instruments and constant measurements all over the world either.
There's certainly enough people will will fight tooth and nail to deny it altogether as well.
oak lodge
Mmmh not too sure if muckrake journalism wasn't already a thing. Plus they knew that burning leaded fuels was bad in the 1890s though they persisted into the late 20th century
perhaps the idea of concern was not on the environment first is valid. As it was always the people who were made ill that they drew conclusions from first. I understand your statement completely
eager parrot
Also regarding the gas vs. electric thing,
people would have wildly different perspectives on this bit depending on where they are from and what their locale's infrastructure is like.
trim flicker
Yea
eager parrot
Having a stable power grid is a huge privilege.
oak lodge
mmhm
eager parrot
And we've seen in recent months what simple infrastructure sabotage could do in the US.
Or with the recent winter storms.
It's all very vulnerable, even in stable parts of the world.
oak lodge
Infrastructure sabotage happened decades ago to the states if I am not mistaken
eager parrot
It's been continuous thing, but also continuously ignored.
trim flicker
The thing is that this entire thing is just a grift of them trying to imply that the woke liberals wanna get rid of gas stoves, it's not really a commentary on infrastructure because these people are also against bills that would better that off
But yeah
Infrastructure is the most important thing
eager parrot
Oh of course, nobody's having good faith arguments and discussions on any side.
oak lodge
ignore the dumbass takes and there is no sensationalism mystique to snag anyone on the fence about an issue
eager parrot
It's all about owning the other side with some idiotic platitudes, which could have been legitimate if they had properly laid out their arguments and platforms, but they don't.
oak lodge
however that's it's own dynamic and media is fond of that.
makes for a consistent voter base
eager parrot
We had the Ohio disaster recently, and so many vocal voices on social media were basically saying we deserve it because we voted red.
Like if that's the attitude... nothing going to get done
Yes, Trump removed the certain regulations and guidelines for rail safety
But Biden could have placed them back on at some point in the past two years 
like everything else they tried to reverse (except border policies apparently).
trim flicker
Unfortunately US politics really is mostly choosing between falling down horrendously OR falling down just a bit slower since both sides are completely aligned with corporations
oak lodge
schism is not exactly humanitarian.
eager parrot
for the most part they just have slightly different social perspectives, otherwise they're basically overwhelmingly aligned the same way, on foreign policy, on corporate policies, etc.
hoary charm
i lose braincells reading us politics discourse online
ive lost count of how many subreddits ive filtered out because its become so bad
dire canopy
actually fun thing the same person that started with lead in fuel started with freons in sprays as well
A single person killed more organisms than any other species in history
trim flicker
classic
blazing depot
I guess the main problem in the US is that you have to choose between corporate shills and corporate shills who are also just straightup nazis.
oak lodge
indeed richie. HFCs were one of the leading causes in ozone disruption
oak lodge
the abolition of them in production aircon has led to the ozone recovering in the last 15 years
Hilarious
dire canopy
The guy was inhaling fumes from leaded fuel in the court to prove that its harmless as well
He was sick for multiple weeks afterbut he won the case
dire canopy
I know that around 20 years ago when leaded fuel was still used around here you couldnt really eat fruit that was growing around the roads
Which was kind of a waste considering how many apple trees there are lining the roads here
keen nest
this got recommended to me
honestly it's hard for me to disagree with these points
Honestly one of the only phone reviewers I feel out there that is objective
just kinda some interesting points
actually funnily enough though very last point is what made me hate iphones lmao
based on comments though seems like I wasn't the only one
hoary charm
why would huawei getting banned in the west make one hate iphones
keen nest
that feels downplayed
no GMS is a death sentence to android phones
kinda goes in hand with the other point he mentions about apple essentially doing incremental upgrades but now that innovation has plateaued they're just all about even
hoary charm
ive had an iphone since the 4 and it never really bothered me
keen nest
you're the demographic he mentions too
if you never branched out you wouldn't have ever noticed it
hoary charm
i had an android beforehand
unborn echo
I used a 6s before, and sure iphones are really are optimised
keen nest
I think this is a really solid video that explains both sides really well cause android fans kinda dumbasses sometimes too but man been arguing the plateauing of tech for like 3 or so years now with phones
not really making leaps and bounds anymore
really felt like huawei was actually pushing the market though until that ban
sucks a lot
unborn echo
I think it's just the phone cameras for now
keen nest
that's kinda the thing though there's physical limitations
hoary charm
lots of those chinese brands just throw in specs that fool people that dont know better though
keen nest
200mp s23 is still gonna fall behind a 12mp full frame camera
hoary charm
like the whole "180mp" camera!!!!
unborn echo
like, take any 500usd and up priced phone right now, and a casual phone user wouldn't even bother with differences
hoary charm
when an iphone 48 or pixel whatever it has is better
cause its all software nowadays
keen nest
it's definitely not entirely software
I had the mate 40 pro, s20 pro and iphone 12 pro max all at the same time
hoary charm
well yeah not entirely but the software is where the improvements are coming from now
keen nest
huawei was absolutely demolishing the other ones it wasn't even remotely close
unborn echo
200mp s23 is still gonna fall behind a 12mp full frame camera
that is true, but that's going to be the difference from a photographer to a person who just wants to take photos with their phone and save a memorable moment. I wouldn't buy a mirrorless just to post on insta
keen nest
ye you shouldn't for sure
wasn't implying that just using this to further prove the point that phone cameras are.. basically as good as they're gonna get now
unborn echo
huawei was absolutely demolishing the other ones it wasn't even remotely close
god i miss that time when p30 was released with that one heck of a zoom xd
keen nest
i'll say that iphone has had the best video for a while that's for sure
samsung video is just yikes
idrk what samsung is doing their cameras have just never really been there
wish they would go yoink that leica partnership
that was like half the reason huawei cameras were so good
keen nest
like, take any 500usd and up priced phone right now, and a casual phone user wou...
oh yeah this though yeah this is something I'm pretty happy about though like ik a lot of people are just consooooooom but you can honestly go get any phone from the last like 3 years or so now and the upgrades were just so incremental if at all they're still a good buy
went back to z fold life cause I saw a z fold 3 on ebay for $500
only upgrade on 4 was 50mp camera
kinda dumb
pay $1800 for z fold 4 or $500 for 3 hmm
hoary charm
i thought about swapping to a flip instead of getting an iphone 14 pro
but my mums been through 2 already with screen issues
keen nest
ye I think the flip was more prone to screen issues
fold never had an issue with
which... I guess makes sense since it's a much more expensive phone
unborn echo
I'm using a handed down galaxy note 10 right now and all I can actually complain about is the battery life
keen nest
ye my friend had a note 10 too up until like a week ago he finally went to the s23 lmao
unborn echo
it's so low by todays standards lol from 3000mah batteries to around 5000 in a span of what 3 years
keen nest
he was talking about how it wasn't like thatttt much of an upgrade though I'm like see kek
unborn echo
you can really use phones right now the whole day
remember when most people are carrying their big ass battery banks
unborn echo
oh lmao true
hoary charm
yeah it probably depends on what you do with it all day
sometimes my 14 pro max doesnt last all day
keen nest
ye if you're on inner screen all day it'll go through it eventually
hoary charm
cause i have the always on display on and keep it on high refresh
although idk if high refresh can be turned off
unborn echo
one thing I do like about iphones that idk if was said in mrwhosetheboss' vid, is the software support and updates
if you're not one of those that changes phones every year and get the latest ones, you're for sure gonna get the price you paid just for the software
hoary charm
that’s gotten a lot better for androids hasn’t it
like it used to be the case where you’d only get 2 years of os updates
whereas the iPhone 7 was still supported until recently
valid magnet
i was always an android user i can't use apple very well
unborn echo
like it used to be the case where you’d only get 2 years of os updates
yep, 2 years of big updates then generally just security patches for at least another year or so
keen nest
got apple discount on my iphone 13 and then went around and sold it like a year later for same price I bought it for
is the one thing I really wish I could say about other phones
also I'm pretty happy to see that albeit it's a niche that macro photography has come to phones
grave shore
apple is the embodiment of everything I hate the most; status items, brand loyalty, anti consumer practices, walled garden ecosystem, no right to repair, not thinking about power users... the list goes on. My life long boycott for apple products will continue
keen nest
🤝
Macbooks I feel are genuinely good products if you're not doing anything gpu based. For creative work it feels really unmatched in that field at the moment for mobile work
Outside of thatttttt though ye
kinda feel like I could recommend apple products but be like "there's also an android product that does the exact same thing"
I was looking at razer blade laptops for a bit because they were like... the only other laptop out there with a SD card reader lmao
grave shore
like even if they had the best laptop ever with crazy specs i cannot support that kind of a company
keen nest
ye it's the anti consumer stuff that's super off putting for me
holy fuck
I would simp apple so hard if they just let me fucking expand my storage on this macbook
but ye can't do that
I will say though just really driving home that other point that as I've gotten older and started looking at things as investments and learning about depreciating assets that was one thing I came to appreciate about apple products
kinda trolling to sell your phone back to apple though that being said to upgrade
legit just go sell it online you'll get like majority of what you paid back kek
it's a bit silly how much brand loyalty there is in it
apple would go buy it off of you for like 1/4 of what you paid though
grave shore
there's no point upgrading your phone every year anyway
unborn echo
I would simp apple so hard if they just let me fucking expand my storage on this...
just get an external drive xdd
grave shore
and it's not like i buy things with the intention of selling them later
keen nest
ye different priorities
keen nest
there's photographers on youtube that actually mentioned they went for 8tb macbook because they didn't wanna use dongles lmao
but mfer if I have 3 usb c ports i'M USING THEM
I'm only putting lightroom catalogs on mine anyways 1tb perfect for me
the ecosystem shit is so overrated ngl
I think copy paste between devices is cool
I keep trying apple watches though cause they unlock your devices or something if you have the setting turned on
do you know how many times it actually properly unlocked my phone or macbook
yeah less times than I could count on one finger so that was a lie
unborn echo
lmao
oak lodge
there's photographers on youtube that actually mentioned they went for 8tb macbo...
that is such a stupid statement lol
keen nest
and 3 different phones
Honestly it's not really that stupid it's a niche
for their use case it makes sense
oak lodge
I guess in the end streamlining and making consumers dependent on "dongles" makes for funnier results
I misused "stupid" my fault haha
keen nest
ye it's a traveling youtuber and photographer I'd have to find his channel again but he was mentioning how he does a lot of his editing on planes and he hated having dongles dangling off the side of the trays and people would hit them and shit and the price of the storage upgrade was about what an external ssd would have cost anyways so
he was like fuck it
that being said still wouldn't do it because of the argument of backups
I'll swap to a razer blade laptop if they ever get a charger of the same degree as the macbook magsafe ones and add on like just a single extra usb c port
would be nice to.. actually have a gpu again
cbf carrying around a giant fucking brick anymore
this fucking apple setup video lmao
unborn echo
idk if it makes it better that most of them know the tech enough
it's like a "what if there is no other option" set-up though. still it's a looooot of money really
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https://youtu.be/ZvRlusdjMSs
@vital needle Oh hey this is pretty epic
Always glad to see stuff like this
I think I remember Damon talking about him
eager parrot
300W through a tiny USB-C cable would scare me though lol
oak lodge
Just get thicker wire gauge
eager parrot
That'll be something lol
Imagine magnetic fields that could charge without close proximity being commonplace
Just a matter of time for somebody with a wirelessly charged pacemaker to walk through a wireless charging magnetic field and get 300W through their heart muscle
I don't actually know how any of that works to be fair.
hoary charm
magic
eager parrot
Electromagnetism is magic
keen nest
There was this thing I read that was being experimented with charging through the air by a device in your house but people were worried about radiation and shit
Tbh
In that scenario I feel it's valid
oak lodge
Imagine magnetic fields that could charge without close proximity being commonpl...
nikola tesla envisioned that a century ago.
a man who envisioned a world with wireless power transmission
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can't believe he named himself after an electric car company fr
oak lodge
Lol
blazing depot
Yeah, how dare he steal from the Americans who would never do the same to him
oak lodge
JP Morgan's investments were apparently not sufficient for his cause
That's a story for the next generation though.
vital needle
https://youtu.be/ZvRlusdjMSs
<@296859712140345347> Oh hey this is pretty epic
I've been listening since yesterday. I missed Bin Laden a lot. His songs were the soundtrack to great summer trips
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Yea such a vibe
Good shit
Glad this came out
I remember him talking about it on a podcast
vital needle
Ok, the best headline in the History of brazil came out
For the terror of "woke" bank institutions, here comes the first right wing bank
Something bold to serve the conservative public and dethrone wokeness
last eagle
who knows chad strats can destroy "woke" bank institutions
blazing depot
The what now. Do they shout racist slurs at people when they enter or something
vital needle
Theu have no metal detecting doors so you can open carry and doing so gives better terms on your mortGAUGE
I will read the article to get some answers
Ot will be called Fatherland Bank (of course) and the dudes behind it are from Rio (of course)
Ok they say fuck all
They said the woke elites will try to destroy it, it will survive and it will be a w also this website is being censored click here to give us R$12
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Claaaaassic woke bankers
oak lodge
That's not special lol
that's just bank with one less walk in rule
funky news. I guess that's how you pander to "anti-woke" adults in brasil
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I dunno i think it may sound silly even for them
It's just so stupid
One different thing about this bank I guess is that they won't hire minorities
oak lodge
"🏦
" of the Brazilian media
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That's how i imagine an anti-woke bank
oak lodge
hahaha
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I have no words to describe how disgusted i feel
When i hear "democratization of art"
blazing depot
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Would expect a vfx crew to not be complete clueless about how idiotic that sounds but apparently not
blazing depot
What is that supposed to be, group effort art?
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It's funny how it's the least democratized when it actually requires everyone working on it to be on the same page to reach a good looking final product
blazing depot
Imagine people voting on what, say, a movie is supposed to look like
blazing depot
The woes of an artist
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The worst thing to me is that I know for a fact that this AI art stuff won't die
It's built on this entire sort of "resentment" people feel towards artists and art in general, that they're incapable/unable to do it because they're not talented and weren't born with it or whatever
So it'll keep happening because I know for a fact that feeling will never go away
Everyone wants to do creative stuff
And they feel it's gatekept from them by uhhhh
skill and talent
And don't want to actually put in the work to learn stuff
And even people who do want to learn get turned off because they know they have a long way ahead of them
keen nest
Yeah this is what I figured was going to be next I'm not even surprised
Obv it's just a concept but yeah years down the line definitely can see this happening
Especially now that a physical shutter is getting removed in newer cameras
Maybe should post this in photography too kek
But ye I wouldn't mind a future where users could have both
Can never have a full frame sensor in a phone but having smart phone software and DSLR/mirrorless hardware get combined would be sick
Even if it just gets to point and shoot which he also mentions getting killed off lmao
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Oh that's a pretty sick concept actually
eager parrot
https://youtu.be/1_2hSsibj-E
Sony already tried something like this years ago
Also I don't really get the point of a 1-inch (it's not really 1-inch, it's just 1inch-type) sensor with a full frame M-mount lens.
that's like a 3x crop factor
Obviously not as neat, but it also didn't cost $40K
and it had an actual aps-c sensor and worked with any E-mount lens (and any lens that E-mount can adapt like M-mount and larger flange distance mounts)
Almost 10 years ago now.
eager parrot
It's a mirrorless lens lol
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chonky boi
halcyon iron
that one looks better
eager parrot
Basically was a RX100 but without the screen, using the phone as the screen.
halcyon iron
not as thick
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In case you wanna take pictures of the andromeda galaxy
eager parrot
it really wasn't that unwieldy, and could detach the whole camera and put it away and use phone as normal and not worry about damaging sensor like that $43K example above.
halcyon iron
man i remember there was a galaxy phone with a camera like from a compact camera
eager parrot
yeah!
halcyon iron
i wish samsung did fun stuff like that again and not just foldables
eager parrot
I think it was literally called Galaxy Camera
eager parrot
they released a second version sometime after as well
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Being fair Samsung displays has some cool tech
eager parrot
halcyon iron
samsung display is independent from samsung mobile though isn't it
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yeah but they're responsible for the bending displays
halcyon iron
yup
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they have some prototype extending/contracting ones too
halcyon iron
i never rly used them but LG phones were starting to get really interesting
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Pretty wacky stuff
halcyon iron
they dropped a teaser for a rollable phone and dipped out of the market lmao
eager parrot
both LG and Samsung have some really awesome display tech
when everybody else was stagnating or abandoning projects, they pushed full forward with progress
both in OLED and Q-dot, miniLED stuff
halcyon iron
Asian companies are the only ones trying to innovate in terms of display tech it seems
or at least people talk about them more
eager parrot
I can't even name a western display panel maker anymore
And camera sensors are also pretty exclusively Asia-only nowadays too
Sony dominating the semiconductor scene for camera sensors
there's Canon and Samsung too
everybody else just uses their sensors
at least as far as most consumer/commercial and enterprise products are concerned, there's some specialized stuff for scientific instruments that involves other companies
halcyon iron
im pretty sure something every phone has samsung or sony parts or at least a majority of them
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think almost all flagship phones just use samsung diplays
and a lot of them use sony sensors no?
eager parrot
I think only Samsung uses their own camera sensors
everybody else uses Sony lol
which to be fair Samsung has a sizeable enough marketshare, but still
halcyon iron
samsung tends to use as much of their products as possible in their phones which makes total sense
i mean doesnt everyone do it
if they can afford it
eager parrot
it's just once you get to the scales they're doing semiconductors it's practically indistinguishable from black magic and catching up for other companies would require some seriously huge sums of money and many years of R&D
by which point Samsung/Sony/etc. who are already key players would have also progressed further, the gap remaining lol
I think Apple's trying to do as many things in-house as possible, them moving their processor designing in-house was a major move
And they have enough money to secure big contracts with Samsung and TMSC's fabs
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Yep and it worked out amazingly well for them too
eager parrot
surprisingly well, who would have thought they could get away with doing everything from mac pro down to their apple watch with in-house processors and it would work with very little issues for the average user 😄
keen nest
https://www.thephoblographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Sony-QX1-Sony-500mm-...
Yep this is what I need
eager parrot
It's not a practical concept imo just from an ergonomics and also from a processing perspective. That one back in 2014 used the same sensor as Sony's NEX cameras (mirrorless aps-c line) with E-mount, it had some success but they abandoned the idea eventually.
I know the market overall for dedicated cameras is shrinking, but there are better options than ever out there, even cheap full frame cameras you could use, in addition to your phone, and most offer a way to use the phone as a secondary screen or quick transfer as well.
like this.
Compact, fast, works with any EF lenses or any other full frame lenses that can be adapted onto E-mount.
eager parrot
https://youtu.be/1_2hSsibj-E
What found most cringe about this one was that the sensor is just ... exposed, and it sits basically right on the back element of the lens when mounted.
How many mounts and dismounts will it take for even that sapphire cover to be damaged or break, and 3x crop factor, and sitting right on the back element of the lens doesn't seem like it'll give very good results compared to just using a Leica (of which you could buy 3-4 Leica bodies and several nice lenses at that price point)
Also sapphire on sensor, I'm sure there's some image quality issues there.
keen nest
Ye it's got a really long way to go that's for sure but I'm never going to complain about innovation. It's a sick idea
dire canopy
FF14 is celebrating Ferris and Daya for 2 weeks 
valid magnet
damn
dire canopy
it's themed after Hinamatsuri
blazing depot
It begins
oak lodge
Americans reading that thinking: "lets see how well it reacts to lead at supersonic speed"
that is very cool that people are able to use chat GPT essentially how a calculator is used for arithmetic but in programming language.
last eagle
speaking of AI, the future is nigh
https://youtu.be/ljBSmQdL_Ow
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yeah this is what I was mad about yesterday
still mad about it
democratization of art 🤪🤪🤪🤪
last eagle
still funky to process all of this
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I think it produces half decent results but that's literally only possible because they train these on actual art without any consent from the artists at all
blazing depot
You only say that because you're a wokeass lib
blazing depot
[jokes I can't make in Loonacord]
balmy igloo
🤨
atomic ether
The organ having no pedalboard makes it instantly 0/10
vital needle
As an aside I hate when westerners say "imagine if X but an anime" and they make it a point of making shitty corny dialogue that lasts forever
Like i really dont know what anime they are watching
And if they think it is such garbage why are they even watching it
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Eh it's a common stereotype for animes
Mostly early shonen I guess
That most people associate to it
oak lodge
oak lodge
am wandering
halcyon iron
speaking of AI, the future is nigh
https://youtu.be/ljBSmQdL_Ow
this looks like utter shit
omg
dire canopy
I actually think it looks good
atomic ether
honestly the AI fans need to stop using the word "democratization" like it means anything. They think they're revolutionizing art and bringing it to the masses but the actual results are mostly meme videos of presidents playing different games
dire canopy
I'm not even sure what that word means
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They're implying that with this everyone will be able to do art
The main issue is that is everyone is already able to do art if they put effort into learning it
But yeah again this just comes from some weird form of resentment, the general perception of art actually somewhat mystical, people really think that you either can do it or not, you're either talented or you aren't lol
And that leads people who have creativity but lack skill to feel like they're being left out or whatever
Big mess
Art is hard
dire canopy
I mean I personally know that the type of art I like is not possible to be done by me
and the amount of time I would have to invest into it is way too much
not like I will use the AI anyways
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Ye
dire canopy
there was an interesting idea that i heard with this ai drawing and chat gpt
because recently they became much better at drawing realistic faces as well
eager parrot
prompt-based diffusion AI mixed with ChatGPT is bound to have very interesting results
dire canopy
make 40 fake girls and put them on onlyfans with both tools I wonder how well it would do
atomic ether
you got that, president meme vids, or AI seinfeld, pick your poison!
eager parrot
the voice AI are scary
if the video ones get good enough, I feel like we're in for a world of trouble as a species
given how much we rely on voice and image verifications
blazing depot
make 40 fake girls and put them on onlyfans with both tools I wonder how well it...
Implying those don't already exist
oak lodge
Those voice AI are amazing to me
awful politicians with synthesised voices of them talking like teenagers can only bring them closer in vulnerability to common citizen... I'm sure they love that.
in terms of reputation that is
hoary charm
static creek
God these are too good
blazing depot
lmao, that shitty AI anime vid has reached my twt tl now as well
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even Bakshi couldn't escape it
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I looked at it for a bit but honestly I'm just sick of this entire thing 
this AI thing understandably has been like a major point of discussion on basically any art space I'm on so I'm just done with it
blazing depot
It's the FUTU- gunshot
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Unfortunately as I said previously i think this is here to stay, unfortunately
It sucks
eager parrot
Idiocracy is the future if AI takes over everything, from creative work to analytical work and otherwise.
blazing depot
I mean
You know what determines who gets to the job interview stage at most major companies in the US, right
AI algorithms be like
eager parrot
yep 😔
blazing depot
(Yes, I watched Last Week Tonight's latest episode)
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And yeah people are already creating cosplayers, onlyfans models and whatever tf using AI lol
It's not only an art thing
Think a couple days ago someone created fake images of a protest in France with the officers hugging people
yeah
It didn't get as much attention I think but this will 100% be used on similar ways that are way more harmful
So yeaahhhhhhh
vital needle
The worst part is sentience discourse and people going "oh wow this is just like movie guys watch out haha" because it is pretending there is anything to get excited about when in reality things will just become worse and society will get worse and our lives will get worse just like they have been since at least 2008
I don't like when people have hope or look at the positive side of things
There is no hope
Fuck hope
eager parrot
that is an extremely pessimistic, cynical perspective, but sadly not wrong when it comes to the direction AI is taking.
vital needle
I just open twitter to see this, this is fire i love it
last eagle
eager parrot
totally unsurprising that Apple would maliciously comply with regulations
kind of sad since they already were using USB-C on iPad Pro and all their Macbook lineup anyway without some of this chipped MFi nonsense.
hoary charm
nah thats a good thing
the usb standard is fucked
for example, my macbook usb-c cable that comes in the charger, can't do data, despite being a usb cable
apple isnt the bad guy there, the usb consortium is for allowing the usb standard to be fractured by features instead of mandating every cable support the full feature set
blazing depot
You're saying that as if there's an evil USB Inc. out there somewhere. It's by no means difficult to adhere to regulations and have USB cables that do both reliably. Apple just doesn't fucking want to.
for example, my macbook usb-c cable that comes in the charger, can't do data, despite being a usb cable
This is entirely and 100% on Apple.
last eagle
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Certainly won't backfire
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Unfortunately i know of many kids who just keep watching tiktok all day without supervision
blazing depot
Rotted brains
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But they're kids who imo shouldn't even a phone, let alone be left with one unsupervised
Bad parenting
🤷♂️
hoary charm
> for example, my macbook usb-c cable that comes in the charger, can't do data, ...
This is entirely and 100% on Apple.
...yes? and the inverse is also true. usb-c is basically marketed as one cable does it all, yet not every cable supports every feature
someone buys a third party cable not knowing any better, doesnt charge their phone, goes crying to apple that their phone is broken, ???
they're basically enforcing a standard common feature set that'll work with the phone, something the usb standard doesn't do
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Yeah the usb standard sucks can't even blame em on that
keen nest
fucking apple lmao
blazing depot
That's... a load of bs, lol. The very reason that standard even exists and is even written into law is Apple themselves fucking around too much.
hoary charm
it literally isnt bs lmao, the usb standard is a fractured mess
blazing depot
You can't go and laud Apple for "fixing" a problem they themselves have caused by just going full circle and back to what initially caused it
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Even if the usb standard sucks, having non certified cables be worse just because they can is awful tho
hoary charm
not necessarily. they can't guarantee a third party cable is rated for whatever power draw the phone needs
because again, the usb standard is a mess and allows cable manufacturers to pick and choose what features from the standard that they implement
blazing depot
So Apple doing the exact same thing is somehow better because... well, I guess because Apple did it. Fantastic logic.
If you can't see this is literally just Apple doing what they did before regulations were introduced and making you buy new chargers and cables for every new generation of phone I honestly can't help you
hoary charm
what are you even on about
the only way apple "caused" any of this is because making sure their stuff /just works/ is their entire MO, something the barebones usb standard cannot guarantee
i didnt say a thing about profit or anything, only saying its a good thing from a tech/compatibility standpoint
vital needle
what are you even on about
the only way apple "caused" any of this is because ma...
But they can make a usb cable that just works and not make it so that every other one doesn't on purpose
You're trading the possibility that it may be not good enough for the certainty that it will not be
blazing depot
They already sell Official Apple Charger Cable™️ that work. Those are completely fine and there is no valid reason to artificially limit all non-official third party cables other than money.
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Yeah unfortunately usb standards are fucking awful so having a way to tell if they work properly with iphones is okay imo, I just don't bite limiting other cables just for the lolz