#Lost Ark

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tawdry hedge
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but i think it'll be fine

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signaling teams through chat like sun and moon parties in argos

dawn agate
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been so long since i did vykas idek anymore

tawdry hedge
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playing with lust meter

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most of the time

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trying to help team with invisible enemies

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i say invisible, but ppl with lust meter >70% can see them

inner shale
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we were stuck there for a whole 2 hours when vykas raid first came out

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2 hours for gate 1

cloud inlet
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my static managed it in 1 hr, but we got "lucky" cuz only 1 party didnt keep fking up gates chuukek

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but gates now r pretty easy

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kinda hard to screw them up once u do it a bunch of times

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RBGWB 🙂

inner shale
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also it's how you position at the start

inner shale
dawn agate
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I do that chuukek

inner shale
tawdry hedge
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g2

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argos, valtan and vykas in a week

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im enjoying this

inner shale
tawdry hedge
inner shale
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fun part

tawdry hedge
tawdry hedge
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doomed a little

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i'll take my sweet ass time tho

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@cloud inlet forgot to ping you, but i came back to the game here LOL

dawn agate
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Funny thing about vykas is after a while you just do it without even thinking about it

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But i guess that's most of them

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Once you need to do them frequently it just becomes a mindless thing ig

cloud inlet
tawdry hedge
tawdry hedge
inner shale
tawdry hedge
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vykas g3 learned

cloud inlet
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cleared tho?

tawdry hedge
cloud inlet
tawdry hedge
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bro vykas g3 was easy

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@cloud inlet @inner shale

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it was so fun and easy

inner shale
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ye, it's just scripted mechs

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vykas herself doesn't really do much damage

dawn agate
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g3 is flow state phase

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you just vibe

cloud inlet
tawdry hedge
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unlike another legion raid in particular

tawdry hedge
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@inner shale @cloud inlet i wanted to ask you both -, as a beginner, where does sources of gold income come from?

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afaik, its through raids, weekly una tasks, and selling leapstones on alts

inner shale
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mostly through raids, ye

tawdry hedge
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but then my question is, do i just keep always honing on my main [artist]

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or do i work on engravings on my alts

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bc i have no idea what to do

inner shale
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what's your artist's ilvl now

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and alts

tawdry hedge
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artist 1453, sorc 1340, bard 1303

inner shale
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get your artist to 1460 first

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ignore your alts engravings til you get them to 1415

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after 1460 artist, get your alts to 1370 to gain argos access

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join a guild that does argos runs and join them with your alts

tawdry hedge
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yeah i'm joining a guild soon that accepts alt or mains

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thing is

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do i just do weekly una/daily una and thats it on my alts?

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and graids/chaos dungeons

inner shale
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ye

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that's about it for now

tawdry hedge
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alright thank you :)

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oh yeah, lifeskills too

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fishing for oreha mats

inner shale
tawdry hedge
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i really do wanna get into vykas hm

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since gold income is so much better there

inner shale
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you can also push to 1475 for clown so you can do the max legion raid in a week

cloud inlet
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worry about engravings when u hit 1415

tawdry hedge
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i kidna wanna do 1475

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i really like artist and i dont wanna commit to a class of dps too soon yet

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im waiting for aeromancer to come out which will be my 1st dps character i would actually main alongside artist

cloud inlet
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thats fine, u dont have dps engraving books so, should take it slow

tawdry hedge
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tbf im dooming myself with aeromancer

inner shale
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ye

tawdry hedge
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considering how expensive dps engravings are

inner shale
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it's a popular class too

tawdry hedge
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yeah, afaik her engravings are 4.6k per each book

inner shale
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well, it's gonna be popular* in NA

tawdry hedge
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in korea

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well NA is more like 10k+ each

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💀

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idk if i wanna do that

inner shale
tawdry hedge
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or i could main martial artist

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or scrapper

cloud inlet
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should try playing classes that share similar combat engravings

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aero would work with sorc cuz theres hit master, or cursed doll

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ofc thers grudge, but thats the most expensive one and u can get by w/o it

tawdry hedge
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is there a substitute for grudge

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i assume not right

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well, raid leader but

cloud inlet
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no

tawdry hedge
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not as broken as grudge

cloud inlet
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there isnt

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everything else is an 2nd engraving or lower option

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excl. class ofc

tawdry hedge
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so what i understand is

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if u get lvl 3 engraving on sorc

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it passes on to other alts?

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or

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or like if u buy reflux, sorc engravings etc, u have to do it again on aeromancer?

inner shale
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only combat/battle engravings get shared

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like grudge

tawdry hedge
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damn thats amazing

inner shale
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sorc and aero(and every other class) have their own class engravings

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so those don't get shared

tawdry hedge
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wouldnt it be really good if i did 4x3 on artist

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and bc i have a bard

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3 engravings would be shared

inner shale
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yep

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but you'd only really use 1 shared engraving anyway

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since there's only 2 slots

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most support mains go for lv 3 awakening since awakening accessories are pretty expensive

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more expensive than say expert

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if you wanna be efficient, go make 6 artists

tawdry hedge
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damn so 2 engravings can become lvl 3 but

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u still have to do 2 engravings with gold on an alt

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to get 4x3

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since only 2 slots

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and most efficient way to get the other 2 engravings is by cutting stone right? and engraving books

cloud inlet
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then ur accs get the last line of ur 5x3

tawdry hedge
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wdym?

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i feel like 5x3 is impossible

cloud inlet
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maybe at ur progession lvl

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but its the standard for dps's at brel tbh

tawdry hedge
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oh damn

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idk how ppl do it, im new to this game so

cloud inlet
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the minimum is a 7/7 or 9/5 rock with at least 1 leg engraving book

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so, very possible tbh

inner shale
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I use those^

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dps shortaaaaaaaaaaaaaage

dry flicker
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I ended up taking a bus for valtan for my artist coz just didn’t want to wait anymore for party

dry flicker
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rip, didnt know frog ended, didnt use my tokens

inner shale
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F

tawdry hedge
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almost 1460

inner shale
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vykussy hard

cloud inlet
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HUH

inner shale
inner shale
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tawdry hedge
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my pity for brush is at 96%

inner shale
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pitying weapon is paaaaaaaaaaain

cloud inlet
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damn

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pitying at 1460 rates

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i pitied 4 pieces recently

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3 from 19 to 20, and 13 to 14 brel

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made the path from 1475 to 1500 so expensive

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zzz

tawdry hedge
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tbh its brel gear so silver gatekeeping is so real

cloud inlet
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ye, my silver drops hard after a honing sesh

inner shale
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still no forpe sea bounty map drop

cloud inlet
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i got mine recently

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like 2 weeks ago i think

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but still no illusion isle soul or map

dry flicker
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holy first serious try 7/7/1 rock for my artist

cloud inlet
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naisuuu

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it feels so good getting 7/7 on first try

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so u don’t have to spend 800 more pheons on rocks

tawdry hedge
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@cloud inlet @inner shale 1460 today pepeASmile

cloud inlet
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before maint?

inner shale
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honing close to maintenance strat

inner shale
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I wanna try to cut a 9/7 stone just dunno the right time to do it

cloud inlet
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wats the +1 on rage hammer?

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ep1?

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or is it cd3 barri1

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oh u can go gt1 lol

dry flicker
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when cutting 9/7 do people do it in short bursts or spend all out

inner shale
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barri 2

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or adre 2

inner shale
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depends on luck really

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some people spent 400k+ gold and still dun have a 9/7

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just hit 5k hours

cloud inlet
inner shale
tawdry hedge
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i got lucky on my helmet

inner shale
cloud inlet
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Honor Shards honing cost requirement decreased by 40% for T3 Lv. 1340 gear from 1460 up to 1490 (+20), and T3 Lv. 1390 gear up to 1590 (+20).

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yes. the hold was worth

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i believed in soomin park

inner shale
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esther weapon

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ugly ass costumes

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maid and petrania

cloud inlet
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maid isn’t too bad with dyes

inner shale
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imma good outfit enjoyer and those two are not it

true bloom
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👀 recently started playing

cloud inlet
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👀

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another one in the mines

dawn agate
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Have fun Con

true bloom
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tytyty

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been fun so far

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although mid way through levelling my friends restarted (on a diff server) so ive had to jump over to there, and used a boost to stop me doing the same content right away

tawdry hedge
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gl on the grind brother

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gets fun when you unlock vykussy

inner shale
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ayo connor's back

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...in hell

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oh wait

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that was shane who played before

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not connor

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which class did you make

cloud inlet
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cleared g6

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like 10 hrs ish for 1-6 prog

true bloom
inner shale
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sweaty class which to me means fun af

inner shale
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haven't logged on since the update

cloud inlet
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but ancient..

inner shale
true bloom
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hit gear level 600 last night aPES_Party

true bloom
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okay nearly 802 now oliviakek

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that went fast

cloud inlet
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surely ur using story express right?

true bloom
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past that bit

cloud inlet
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like the event thingy..

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oh no

true bloom
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huh?

cloud inlet
# true bloom huh?

story express event, gives u free prehoned gear after u finish a major region

true bloom
cloud inlet
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oh ok

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good

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cuz game doesn’t tell u to use it espc ppl who don’t read that r new, they get their chars up and never even use the story express and it hurts to see lol

true bloom
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ah yeah dw dw hahaha

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just got to feiton on my main

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which is nice, i wasnt too keen on yorn layout

dawn agate
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Yorn GoWonSleep

inner shale
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YORN FKING SUCKS

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I still haven't 100% my tome for it due to how shitty the map is IUcant

true bloom
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ooo free gifts today

true bloom
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gear score 1100, heading to punika ⛵

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wow this place is pretty

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i love the colours

cloud inlet
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yes punika is pretty

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espc nagi liru and shana

true bloom
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glad i started playing im really enjoying this game LudaNod

inner shale
true bloom
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do you guys rec any content creators for the game

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fun and/or informative

dry flicker
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i used to watch zealsambitions before korean vod removal to help for info and raids

true bloom
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ooo okay irenenotes

dry flicker
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another is saintone both korean server peeps end game english speakers

cloud inlet
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stoopzz, atk, zeals, memorizer and saintone r the ones i watch, anyone else is just occasional

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be prepared for memo if ur gonna watch him on twitch, he’s fine on yt

inner shale
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memo pepela

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for raid guides, I only watch memo's 'cause there's not a lot of fluffs

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unlike atk's

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atk's a mess of a guide maker

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also horrible player

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stoopzz is chill

past shale
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Zeals is a freak too had to stop watching him

cloud inlet
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he’s aite

past shale
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He's entertaining but he just became over annoying

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He became his persona and it was just annoying to watch him

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Especially during his "I'm whaling for my +8 weapon only to still lose in dmg and be salty" era

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That being said, pretty good guides and props for taking advantage of what asmongold gifted him in the form of content and running with it

past shale
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What time is the weekly reset again

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Shouldn't it be like 2 h from now or something

inner shale
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ye

past shale
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idk what to do anymore

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i got the spongebob derp face goin

dawn agate
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lost ark disables my brain

past shale
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don you can be an artist now though

dawn agate
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I tried

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Got bored after a week again and uninstalled the game chuukek

past shale
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Lmao

true bloom
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got the upgrade for my armour

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now gotta hone it Sadge

cloud inlet
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using hyper express on ur alt too?

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leaving ur main to suffer hard

inner shale
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isn't db connor's main tho

inner shale
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if you're not 1490, go hone to 1490

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at 1490, start doing brel/clown/vykas.
you can only do 3 legion raids per week so you skip valtan since it gives you lower gold compared to the other 3

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with enough brel horns, you can make brel armor pieces to replace your valtan/vykas armor pieces(gear transfer)

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when you complete 6 brel armor pieces, you'll be at 1510 ilvl

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hone to 1520 and pray to whatever supreme being you believe(or don't) that you find a learning party for gates 5 and 6

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then hone to 1540 for ancient gears

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do hard mode brel gates 1 & 2 and get enough horns to replace your relic gears with ancient gears

cloud inlet
inner shale
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maybe he just wanna do it the normal way

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I agree tho, skipping out story express is kind of a troll

cloud inlet
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he said he’s using story on alt

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which is troll too

inner shale
cloud inlet
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cuz it gives u 1340 armor

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after punika and u don’t have to go to 1370 to get the armor

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and atp u’ll have punika pp

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just a lot faster

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it is wat it is

past shale
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Got no money now and no one does valtan so finding groups is rip

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I've been abusing people looking for card runs on Argos for like 3 min kills tho that's kinda funny

past shale
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i was just opening the event chests

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and got this while looking for anything swiftness since i have the engraving support

inner shale
inner shale
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have to find a guild at that point bruh

past shale
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💤

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:(

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your guild was my guild keks

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til ya'll went warp speed and i didnt keep up

inner shale
true bloom
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I'm not allowed to use hyper or story because I used a pass

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I'm not just not using things for the sake of it I physically can't oliviakek

past shale
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story skip is a scam anyway

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they want you to do the entire story for a health potion box

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NTY

inner shale
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vern pass?

past shale
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he probably power passed to punika which made him unable to use the story and then he's not 1400/1415 yet so he can't use the hyper

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forgor which it is

inner shale
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can't be

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he went through yorn and feiton

past shale
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thought that was before he changed servers

inner shale
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prolly vern pass

past shale
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but either way, if it was vern the story would be same

inner shale
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I vaguely remember them giving that

past shale
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cant story skip because past it, and cant hyper because not 1415

inner shale
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ye ik

past shale
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he should have his friends whale him to 1415 so he can hyper express

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lol

inner shale
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iirc it has the same rewards as hyper express

past shale
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nah theyre not good rewards aside from like 14 day aura

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legendary accessories, 50 ghl, 1.5m silver

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i mean sure theyre not bad but it doesnt justify redoing the entire story from scratch

inner shale
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but

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connor's a new player

past shale
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i guess but even most of this stuff will barely help

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apart from the silver

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you get more than this event just doing 3 days of dailies from the arkasia racing event thing

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versus the 40 hour story

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idk i could be wrong

inner shale
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why would you compare it w/ naruni event when story express is just an added bonus(huge btw) from doing the story as a new player

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either way, he's ady 1370 without doing all that so joeshrug

past shale
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

inner shale
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js story express was implemented literally for new players

past shale
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yea ig

past shale
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wow so

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i uh

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didnt know i needed to activate all my tripods

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ive been running lv1s this entire time

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because i never turned them on

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lmao

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also probably getting some weird looks for being in legendary accessories at 1475 but we move

true bloom
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i powerpassed to rohendel

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and just played as normal since then

inner shale
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I see

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dang

true bloom
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i didnt wanna jump to the very end

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but wanted to catch up to my friends

inner shale
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ye I get that

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I woulda told a new player to use story express instead of vern pass

true bloom
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im happy with my choices

inner shale
past shale
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@inner shale

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what happened with loa discord

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that they dont allow bus discussion anymore?

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they used to have a channel specifically for it

inner shale
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honestly have no idea

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dun really interact with the server

past shale
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dam

past shale
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idk raiding as a solo is impossible now

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once i get my guild back ill start looking for a static on my main but its so pain

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theres 5 valtans up all of them are 1460+ only

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0 vykas up

inner shale
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lots of lobbies up around 5 pm est and onwards

past shale
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thats when im sleepin

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:(

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alsoi keep getting kicked from lobbies at 1475 LOL

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prob because legendary accessories as i said earlier but man

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its valtan

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who cares lmao

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i got level 7 gems, lwc12, 3x3+1+1 like

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idk

true bloom
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ok it lets me do hyper on my main

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so ima do that

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didtn miss out on anything

inner shale
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ez 1445

past shale
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suffering speedrun any%

true bloom
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stuck at 1399 pepehands

past shale
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youll get there friend

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best advice is not to rush

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you have a LONG road ahead of you lol

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don't end up like gela playing 10 accounts for gold

true bloom
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true true

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im still having fun with it

past shale
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lmao

true bloom
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sorted my engravings and gems in the last days, which feels gooooooood

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well, engravings to the best of my ability kek

cloud inlet
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just late

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so all those green oreha r useless

past shale
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2.5k for an afk nhh is normal right

past shale
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so close

cloud inlet
past shale
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today and azena keks

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i just did it and was curious if i got scammed is all

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i figure with valtan being 1.6-1.8 it wasnt that bad

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made a decent bit back even with buying the bonus loot so

cloud inlet
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ye, still profit for the bus

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but then ur not having fun so

past shale
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at this point i don't think its worth learning the mechanics as they considering theyre nerfing her soon so

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also i can't even get into groups because no title no set etc

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on top of learning groups for vykas being non-existent

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my only hope would be joining a guild that would teach

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my only xp with her is the one time i learned her w/ gela guild ages ago and i dont remember literally any of it

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luckily i ran valtan enough w/ them to remember most of it though so im fine w/ him

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this is really funny

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paid 10k to carry a bunch of bots

true bloom
true bloom
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are there any easy ways to make some gold, like resources or easy crafts that are always worth some money i can make

past shale
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idk the numbers for your server but you can eventually sell mats that you dont intend on using and just use bound ones

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uhh once you get your stronghold up a bit you can make oreha material but idk if its profit still

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other than that i think the main method is raiding tbh

cloud inlet
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a lot better than SH farm if u have the time

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cuz SH farm gives no gold

true bloom
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ah okay, just selling exca mats?

cloud inlet
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ye

true bloom
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alright nice ty

past shale
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eventually you can casually take advantage of passes and stuff to build a roster that just does raids for gold

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got into a free bus practice

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oh idk if this dude has the dps for it

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hes getting hit by more mechs than i do

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theyve wiped to the stagger check twice now lol

past shale
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found gela's bot farm

past shale
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i need to hone my 1445s to 1460s because no one does nm vykas

inner shale
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yes

past shale
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It cost me 11k to get 4/6 needed for it

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Shits too expensive still

inner shale
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sold my 1 million gold for $450

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lol

past shale
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Jesus lol

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Was it at least worth it, idk how far 450usd gets you lol

inner shale
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ye I can buy a new chair

past shale
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Lmao

cloud inlet
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only 450$? that sounds.. not worth the time lol

inner shale
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wdym

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I already quit

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LOL

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also it was lower, around $300 just a few months ago

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it went up because of fewer bots

past shale
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You quit but I saw you online yesterday

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Unless u passed the account lol

inner shale
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ye

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you'd never see my discord status say playing lost ark

past shale
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Lmao

inner shale
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might come back for aero tho

past shale
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Not slayer?

inner shale
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nope

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aero has better skill animations

past shale
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Lmao

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Is thaemine out on kr yet

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I legit stopped watching anything regarding loa when I quit

inner shale
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nah

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new abyss dungeon was the recent raid

cloud inlet
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thaemine this summer for them

uncut hill
inner shale
paper viper
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@cloud inlet started playing LA again

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master summoner already at 1465

cloud inlet
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oh, wb to the shitshow

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lol

muted cape
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reading today that lost ark has heavily been going downhill oliviakek

inner shale
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ye

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it's dead af

muted cape
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yeah, watching asmon watch/translate the zeals livestream on the apology video

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it is just them saying sorry on repeat

inner shale
muted cape
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also saw an article saying eu servers shut down? i quit back when south vern came out. all that grinding on repeat too stressfull

inner shale
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hmm, not really up to date to anything lost ark except for the recent loa on so no idea about eu servers

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last I heard they're gonna merge eu central/west

muted cape
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that basically is shutting down eu servers and transfering data to the other one

inner shale
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not sure

muted cape
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oh i thought we getting merged to na ones nvm iguess

inner shale
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everyone's basically playing in EU central so they're gonna merge west with it

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ah

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ye, no

muted cape
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yeh, i remember everyone saying this should have been like that from launch

inner shale
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shame what happened to the game

muted cape
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definetly a fun game with great combat and fights. just everything else...

inner shale
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ruined by homework

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and they never address it

muted cape
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apparantly they said it on the stream today. they going to look into alot of things, but going to take time. outside of china servers really sounds like they did nothing past 8 months

inner shale
dawn agate
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yep rip game

paper viper
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@inner shale @cloud inlet question.. how does one make gold? i already did raids like vykas and valtan this week, and for una tasks i already reached weeklies, but can i do anything besides that to make gold?

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i know life skills help too

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but i have no idea on which islands i should do that are given in the time table

inner shale
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you basically already said them. occasionally, there's a random island event that rewards gold, you just gotta look out for them.

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you can check the procyon compass on which island it will be

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and if you need more gold, make multiple accounts OliviaTeef

cloud inlet
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alts btw, not mains

paper viper
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i personally wouldn't feel like doing so many raids on alts 💀 but not that i can anyway

cloud inlet
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latter “burns u out”

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so, parked at like 1370 for just argos gold, or parked 1460 for argos valtan vykas

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and not going any higher

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and i have 6 mains, i’m not burned out atm while gel had like 2 mains but then like 4 accounts..

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so ye, depends on the person

cloud inlet
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and it takes forever to “pay it back”

inner shale
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argos gold

cloud inlet
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it is wat it is

inner shale
paper viper
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u quit?

inner shale
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ye, 1st week of april

paper viper
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but its also ok cuz its a lot of work

paper viper
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@inner shale @cloud inlet beated clown all gates

cloud inlet
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now do it in hell mode oliviaha

inner shale
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noice congrats!

inner shale
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I just noticed my friend stopped using my lost ark account, prolly quit too. OliviaTeef

inner shale
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we are so back

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question mark

past shale
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That jump server is gunna ruin the game

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Everyone behind will abandon and go to that server

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Lol

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"if you're under 1580 just stop and go here" is what I read

dawn agate
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think that's a weird decision too

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They had the right idea but the execution is weird since servers are locked and closed off, these players won't be able to merge back into the existing ones

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So it's jump-starting them and that's good, ideally there'd be no gatekeeping since all players would be learning, but then after they learn and are decked out, what happens

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Guess we'll know more soon cause there's gotta be a transfer at some point or something

inner shale
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we back

raw sigil
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was thinking of coming back for that jumpstart server but i dont want to refarm everything again

inner shale
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true

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I have a couple of friends that plan on playing

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but man

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I don't really wanna do all the horizontal progression stuff again

paper viper
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I went back to make aeromancer but I didn’t enjoy a legion raid so uninstalled chuukek