#roster help
sick fern
west knoll
As you progress you want to aim for at least 3 heroes consisting of at least 2 archetypes per element
- titania fire, you want 2 skills you wont have to reroll for a while since theres a significant chance of having to reroll s3-4
- yzbel fire, same reason as titania
- eddard and marmaduke check s3
- calil fire, ranger is a defensive class
- juliano check s3-4
- sonya check s4
- tammara check s3-4
- julian fire, no weapon skill or attack
- gareth fire later, even without knowing s4 you would have to reroll s1 and s2
- katya check s4
- cheryl check s3-4, great start
- teela is in an odd spot, you dont have any attack but they can use double weapon skills so you could promote and get an attack skill in s3 or s4
- Giralt reroll s2 to attack/weapon/crit skill
- ok fire, no weapon skill or attack and s3 is pretty weak for spellcasters since they dont gain much from evasion
- sarah check s4
west knoll
archetypes are fighters(reds)/rogues(greens)/spellcasters(blues)
sick fern
hello
soft idol
Keep, that set is great!
Some HP and attack from S1, Def + evasion on S2, and more evasion on S3
soft idol
Hmm, tough call to make but I think maybe no? Since you need as many mission critical tools in S1 and S2
Mages are one of the classes that can run stacked weapon skills, but I don't know if that's better than having a bonus attack skill
I'd wait for Archon to comment on this
tawdry oracle
attack % is really easy to get at least, and you only habe one other hero i’d consider promoting so i’d go for it here
oh i see archon is voting no
sick fern
Some HP and attack from S1, Def + evasion on S2, and more evasion on S3
do i have to reroll any skill
for it to be better
soft idol
I won't
Not until very later down the road
That knight is great and has very low promotion priority and low reroll priority
sick fern
soft idol
I'd fire this one
soft idol
As you progress you want to aim for at least 3 heroes consisting of at least 2 a...
JPAK already gave his comments for this hero though
soft idol
As you progress you want to aim for at least 3 heroes consisting of at least 2 a...
julian fire, no weapon skill or attack
soft idol
Jpak's comment had both fire (titania, yzbel, calil, julian, ok) and fire later (gareth)
But don't fire more than 2 at a time 😬
soft idol
3 is fine
I recommend two so you can fit them in one team + one carry + one champion
Three would require you to send two teams instead
But it's not a problem!
sick fern
yah my roster is kinda crippled anyways
very bad skills
so
;-;
dont really make a diff
cyan spoke
It's not bad in my opinion, have seen way worse rosters from people of a higher level. You are doing good
And it keeps improving
sick fern
hows that possible the fact i cant do the deep coral
easy level
how do higher lvl players deal with that
soft idol
Skills isn't everything, your equipment makes up as much if not more impact than skills
cyan spoke
Gear, enchantments, hero levels
soft idol
Especially spirits and enchants
sick fern
soft idol
Ehh seems fine?
sick fern
how do i give hp
cyan spoke
Yeah, my bad
soft idol
I think you're judging for jungle standards hahaha
Idk if this is a good amount for sunken temple though
cyan spoke
Ignore my comment, I'm not used to looking at low level Heroes
Yuki is doing a way better job
soft idol
And your problem might be your dps heroes
You can have the tankiest and strongest tank in the world, but if you aren't doing enough damage to kill the enemy
cyan spoke
Yeah this hero is great. Ignore Star power
soft idol
You'll end up losing regardless
cyan spoke
Knight usually have like 1/3 star power of other heroes
soft idol
Ignore my comment, I'm not used to looking at low level Heroes
Me neither tbh 🤷♀️
cyan spoke
Good ones
soft idol
I genuinely have no idea if that's a good amount of hp/def for temple and I'm in my bed rn
I'm NOT using the sim on my phone
sick fern
if an item has water afiinity
should i enchant it with fire
does it have any effect
or nullify?
cyan spoke
Enchant it with the Heroes element, mostly ignore affinities unless it's a spellblade
sick fern
sorcerer?
soft idol
The affinity only buffs the one it has affinity for, it won't nerf other elements
Always enchant with the hero's innate element unless it's a spellblade or geomancer
sick fern
soft idol
But even for geomancer's I recommend just going for water element rather than the item's innate element
soft idol
That is such a good sorcerer
cyan spoke
Soul that one
sick fern
oki
soft idol
If you have Roland, S4 into adept is the easy button here
You have over 350% bonus attack I think
cyan spoke
All natural might be better
soft idol
All natural might be better
Oh that too!
cyan spoke
All good you have many good options for S4
soft idol
how to soul?
You need a titan soul for that which you can obtain from tower of titans event (Happens once a month)
sick fern
nvm found it
soft idol
To soul, click on the + icon next to their name
soft idol
hehe
Congrats on your first amazing hero!
He'll be doing a LOT of heavy lifting
Give him some good gear later on and he will carry
soft idol
cyan spoke
Yeah i have a impervious dancer its good
S3 useless right now, could single dice it for anything else if you have dice
cyan spoke
Anything. Just one dice
sick fern
cyan spoke
Great
cyan spoke
Fire hero
sick fern
oh
cyan spoke
Element fire
sick fern
Berserker or muskateer
which one better
sick fern
I like a druid here
druid has low stats what could be alternate earth heroes
are is druid just fine im sorry for contradicting
im jus a bit confysed
;-;
outer latch
what site do you use for this?
soft idol
what does 2 star skill mean
If you're referring to the stars in the hiring page, I would ignore them
soft idol
druid has low stats what could be alternate earth heroes
Earth doesn't have a lot of options, it's between druid, wanderer, and soldiers
soft idol
druids cant have the gold skills?
Yes they can have gold skills but they can only have three skills without being promoted with titan souls
soft idol
are is druid just fine im sorry for contradicting
They're great and I personally like em as much, if not more than the other spellcasters like warlocks/astramancers if you promote the druid
An archdruid can still do significant damage (Less than either warlock/astramancer) but makes up for it by having a much higher staying power
This allows them to stay in fights where a warlock/astramancer would have already died, letting them having a much higher average damage per quest than warlocks/astramancers
outer latch
Thx
sick fern
https://shoptitans.dowob.dev
@outer latch
sick fern
This allows them to stay in fights where a warlock/astramancer would have alread...
thanks
review
sick fern
ok
sick fern
which one do i take
i think comabat told me some time back but i forgot
;-;
sorry
soft idol
Look at the numbers for the order
sick fern
combat said not to take the 8th one
soft idol
8th one?
soft idol
I'm confused 😅
sick fern
combat said not to take the 8th one
he didnt say that my bad
he said not to take the treasure hunter 3rd one
sorry
soft idol
No problem at all haha
cyan spoke
Imagine not putting a point in double soul 
cyan spoke
Ehh
cyan spoke
Yeah but I'm not made of gems
soft idol
But the for the remaining 1%, it is the best talent in the game if your roster isn't done yet
soft idol
Yeah but I'm not made of gems
I'd spend 100 gems once a month
Or I could just level up right before ToT and use that talent point for the soul
Doing that will let me only spend 50 gems
cyan spoke
True
sick fern
how do i get 3rd skill die
cyan spoke
Fusion (full moon) or tower
Or.. some content passes, shop offers
But mostly: tower
Later
S3 is hard to roll
sick fern
S3 is hard to roll
agree
soft idol
Tower depends on which one you do, different tower difficulties give different skill die variations
sick fern
Tower depends on which one you do, different tower difficulties give different s...
which level tho
my guild does extreme
soft idol
my guild does extreme
Tower is an individual event
soft idol
You pick your difficulty
You need to do Gamma for S3 die
Delta, Epsilon, and Terror all give S4 die
sick fern
which level tho
does it have die
if i just build one good squad would the be able to co plete it?
soft idol
which level tho
I'm sorry?
I forgot if the lower towers have elemental barriers for tower
sick fern
I'm sorry?
which level has skill die as a reward do you know
soft idol
Assuming they do, then it's not possible to clear with just one team
soft idol
which level has skill die as a reward do you know
All
There are 30 floors and you want to complete all 30 floors
6 difficulties for tower and each difficulty gives different versions
soft idol
Alpha = Skill 1
Beta = Skill 2
Gamma = Skill 3
Delta, Epsilon, Terror = Skill 4
sick fern
to this point im trying to make a good roster
soft idol
lower towers dont have element
Then you should be able to clear it with just one team
sick fern
no sorry beta
soft idol
But it will be slower than if you had multiple teams since you'll need to wait for that team to finish resting
soft idol
I skipped gamma so I don't know hahaha
sick fern
woah
maintaining the hero equipent is gonna be a headache too
how did you skip gamma tho
soft idol
Well, my first month I started playing I did tower on Beta when I was ML47 or so
2nd month I was ML67 and my team could do terror (The face shown was a 
) but I was scared, so I went for epsilon
Then the last tot that was recent, I did terror and finally cleared it
sick fern
Then the last tot that was recent, I did terror and finally cleared it
how long are u playing for
soft idol
how long are u playing for
I started 2nd may this year, so almost 3 months
soft idol
ur roster must be crazy good
Good? Yeah, I can call it good. Crazy good? Not there yet hahaha
cyan spoke
The only tip for not running out of dice: don't use the dice
sick fern
soft idol
Keep
sick fern
soft idol
Check S4
soft idol
No, it isn't
One purely defensive skill is great, but two of them is too much
Not to mention that it isn't a good skill in general since even Sturdy (Common health skill) provides more utility than that skill
Would suggest rerolling it to any weapon/crit skill
S1 + S2 puts you at 430% bonus attack which means that you benefit from having a weapon skill in S4
soft idol
You get them through Tower of Titans
sick fern
soft idol
Check S4
That's a great set
You have CHC on S1, great bonus attack on S2, and the best weapon type skill in S3
No matter what you get in S4, this will be a good hero that can help you clear all content
sick fern
Ok
soft idol
Hire a druid now, look for a weapon skill + bonus attack skill
The next hero to fire is
"ok"
After you fired "ok", hire another druid to have 2 druids
sick fern
Hire a druid now, look for a weapon skill + bonus attack skill
wait something went wrong in my roster
i already have 1
tawdry oracle
i do not see a druid on your roster
sick fern
Yes
I did something wrong
I'm rechecking rn
im sorry if i had tag on i didnt know about thta didnt wanna annoy any of you
soft idol
im sorry if i had tag on i didnt know about thta didnt wanna annoy any of you
I personally don't mind at all! It's sweet that you're considerate about it though :D
That druid is strong but has a major problem, he doesn't have a weapon skill
Hire a druid and a wanderer (After you fire ok)
sick fern
That druid is strong but has a major problem, he doesn't have a weapon skill
no s3 die
soft idol
Are you able to fuse any? It's currently the full moon
So you should have access to full moon fusion
soft idol
Oh, that's unfortunate :(
Well, the good news is that tower of titans is coming after this current event
And you will have skill die in there as rewards
soft idol
You'll want to use those to get any weapon skill for your druid
That's your highest priority
The titan soul should be used on your Sorcerer
sick fern
ok
soft idol
We could say the mage as well, since they need the titan soul to function
sick fern
giralt has a soul
soft idol
Oh, you should probably update Giralt to a warlock then! The soul should be used on teela/malik then
The next hero to fire is "ok" followed by "Gareth"
sick fern
soft idol
I see
sick fern
one more soul left
soft idol
Once you get a weapon skill on your druid, use a single die on S4 for Giralt
Though, it isn't that important
soft idol
Since the first three skills will carry you already
sick fern
and do i souls teela now
sick fern
Do not go for 2 gold skills
why?
soft idol
Well, teela does need the soul to function but I don't like promoting T1/T2 classes, especially without Roland/Mundra
sick fern
ok
soft idol
why?
It's a waste of resources and you will end up firing heroes like Abigail, which are really strong
You have the best hybrid attack skill for a druid alongside the best weapon type weapon skill
sick fern
is she a retire then ...
soft idol
No matter what you get in S3, this Druid will put in a lot of work
sick fern
It's a waste of resources and you will end up firing heroes like Abigail, which ...
i see
soft idol
The first two skills are great, and that hero can go far if you promote
It's your choice to make!
soft idol
thanks man
Not a man but no problem!
sick fern
do i fire ok rn?
sick fern
Not a man but no problem!
thank you woman sounds a bit offensive idk why
soft idol
Is this roster the latest version?
sick fern
its just a aphrase i ...many others use to refer to their peers irresepective of their gender
no offense ofc
sick fern
Is this roster the latest version?
ye
soft idol
no offense ofc
None taken! Just wanted to clarify
soft idol
I won't fire "ok" just yet
A lot of your heroes are quite underlevelled
Marmaduke, Amelda, Ann, Cheryl, and now Abigail
sick fern
ye
soft idol
You'll want them levelled up further before you do anymore rehiring!
sick fern
so i double enchent then right
soft idol
And since you've decided to keep teela, you should promote them now
sick fern
its good to go for now?
sick fern
And since you've decided to keep teela, you should promote them now
i can fire her
what do u think is the best
sick fern
i can rehire hire as many times
soft idol
what do u think is the best
Looking in the short term, there are more benefits than drawbacks. But if you get unlucky with S3/S4 then you could sorta consider that a minor setback
Nothing that can't be fixed with die and enough time!
I don't see any major reasons not to promote + keep teela
sick fern
Nothing that can't be fixed with die and enough time!
tru and yuki's guidance
soft idol
But I also don't see any major reasons to keep teela either apart from the fact that they can use double weapon skills 😬
soft idol
I guess the biggest downside for me, is that Mages are a free class
And you can literally reroll until you get Adept + Doublecast/Impervious
Not that rerolling for two gold skills is a good idea... but if you have the time to sit for hours and continuously reroll, you could eventually get the one that you want to keep
sick fern
i see
soft idol
But yeah! It's getting quite late for me (1.40am) but I can stay for a few more questions if you do have them
sick fern
yessir
soft idol
Gamma
sick fern
;-;
obtuse trail
You only have one Fire and two Earth heroes. Aim to have three heroes per element, so go Fire since that's your lower one. Berserkers are really forgiving to build so go with one of those.
sick fern
ok
thnx
i was thinking of retiring sarah and juilano for a cleric and ranger would that be a decent choice
obtuse trail
Check slot 4 on Sarah. That set so far is really good. If you're going to retire a Samurai, then Tammara is a much better candidate for that.
Cleric and Ranger are definitely good ideas, but you already have three heroes for both elements. I would recommend bringing Fire and Earth up to three heroes first.
sick fern
ok
obtuse trail
Pop quiz:
Why do you think Tammara is a better candidate to be retired than Juliano?
sick fern
1sec
tammara being a samurai has no attack?
very defensve skills
sarah has better attack skills
this should be a nice one no?
bro looks awful
xd
obtuse trail
That's incredible.
And yeah, pretty much on the Samurai. Tammara has a great set for a purely defensive Fighter, but Samurai are more designed to be hybrid attackers or pure crit attackers.
Juliano doesn't have any bonus Attack, but is generally a decent hybrid attacker / tank right now.
sick fern
And yeah, pretty much on the Samurai. Tammara has a great set for a purely defen...
soo i retire tammara and get a better samurai would that be better?
and keep juliano then?
and is elise alright?
obtuse trail
I would not really recommend hiring new Samurai right now. They're one of the most difficult classes in the game to build well and should generally be avoided until you have a really strong handle on your roster as a whole.
sick fern
ok
obtuse trail
Elyse is great. If you have spare T3 dice, I would throw one at her to see what happens.
sick fern
i sepnt all i had on him didnt turn out well
;-;
ill need to get the pass
and hen ill reroll
sick fern
so if i retire tammara what do i get
sick fern
That's really strong.
ok
obtuse trail
You've done some shuffling around, could you please post a current roster?
sick fern
do i soul her too
sick fern
You've done some shuffling around, could you please post a current roster?
itll take some time
if u can wait
obtuse trail
T6 class = super low priority. Additionally, this is a hero who doesn't have their full natural skillset yet.
AKA no.
(Or at least, not yet)
sick fern
whats a full natural skill set
obtuse trail
Flip over to her Skills tab for a sec.
obtuse trail
(and please post it)
obtuse trail
Yeah. The locked icon here means the hero still has skills available to learn via levelling up.
Now please post the same screen on Malik.
sick fern
one more thing im remaking the roster i changed some names u wont i hope u wont mind
im sorry if it makes ur job diffcult
obtuse trail
Well, he's been promoted now so he has the ability to learn skill 3.
If you check any T1 - T4 heroes who haven't been promoted yet, then you'll see they do not have the lock icon in slot 4 like these last two do. That means they've learned every skill they can before you promote them.
obtuse trail
Based on this and the "three heroes per element" thing, what do you think would be a good class to hire next?
obtuse trail
Good!
What classes?
sick fern
Good!
What classes?
but in ur question id like to hire a muskiteer for pyro
and for earth not sure
wanderer seem sthe only option
obtuse trail
A Musketeer and a Wanderer would be great choices, nicely done! That gives you a third hero for both elements, and different archetypes as well.
For Tammara, that would dip you to two Water heroes. A Geomancer is a good replacement. Monks work as well, but they can be a little harder to work with since they're T2 heroes.
sick fern
Phenomenal start for Messa.
should i reroll to see if i can get better ones or is this a keep for sure
obtuse trail
My dude.
You have 
on a Spellcaster.
This by itself is worth checking the next skill for.
sick fern
hello
obtuse trail
Nobody yet. Everybody who you might want to roll S1 on still has skills available to learn.
sick fern
ok
sick fern
man i got afew question about what my guild mates said about one heroe can i just say what they said and what u think of it?
sick fern
this one
obtuse trail
Of course.
sick fern
"It's an okayish start. Be better if the gold skill was in slot two, that bronze one isn't doing anything for anybody."
"It's one semi-good skill in a slot you can easily reroll, and a bad skill in the 2nd slot. It's retire fodder."
obtuse trail
I agree that it would be a better set if the skills were reversed, but this is still incredible.
sick fern
"I mean sure,you could always get lucky. I just usually skip those ones to save time and look for better. 🤷♂️"
he is end game almost
obtuse trail
Quite frankly, that sounds an awful lot like the "I'm endgame so I only give advice that I myself would follow" mentality.
AKA it's not scaling to you and your specific situation.
sick fern
AKA it's not scaling to you and your specific situation.
i see
obtuse trail
is bar none the best weapon skill in the game for raw damage. It boosts two of the best weapon types and also has a secondary Attack bonus. Weapon skills are mandatory for most attackers.
is a decent boost to crit, which helps literally every damage dealer. It's not the best option sure, but it's still very good.
This set (especially being on a Geomancer) already has all the tools you need to be great.
sick fern
thats fair
sick fern
<:Adept:735242593268400148> is bar none the best weapon skill in the game for ra...
that for explainig man
obtuse trail
Your guildmate's mentality is extremely common, and quite frankly I would take everything said by someone who's doing that with a big grain of salt.
I'll be real:
I am endgame and I would check slot 3 on that set.
For you who still has a ways to go to hit that point, this is probably one of the best heroes you'll see for a while.
sick fern
Your guildmate's mentality is extremely common, and quite frankly I would take e...
i understand ur pov that tottally fair from ur pov but helps me quiet alot
he probably isnt that good at guiding
obtuse trail
I will admit that I have a personal bias against the "I'm endgame so my advice doesn't scale down" mentality like that.
sick fern
hey man thats a fairpov cant argue .
but he isnt like that if im being honest
he helps me quiet a bit .
obtuse trail
I believe it, and that's great!
It's very good to have someone available to give you a hand like that.
obtuse trail
And to elaborate on why the set would be better if the skills were reversed (aka it was instead):
You can fuse T1 dice via Full Moon Fusion. The recipe isn't super expensive so this makes it pretty easy to reroll slot 1. Additionally, is decent but there are generally better options for CHC. It's also locking you out of rolling its Rare upgrade 
which is significantly better.
If the skills were reversed, then it's a lot easier to swap out in slot 1 to either open up in the skill pool or get something decent in the first slot in general.
obtuse trail
If this Geomancer rolls basically any functional skill in the next two slots, she'll hard carry you for a long time.
sick fern
nice
now i wanna energy drink her
;-;
but shes too low for that
and one more thing as i reached to lvl 60 new expansion could u guide me for an optimal bin and rack ratio
im very confused
;-;
i can share my current situation if u want to see.
obtuse trail
Unfortunately... there kinda isn't an easy answer there. The general rule of thumb is to get as many racks as you need to craft comfortably and then fill the remaining furniture slots with racks.
The actual numbers are going to vary from person to person.
obtuse trail
You'll almost always have a bottleneck somewhere when it comes to your shop setup. Often you'll find yourself lacking in either resources to craft or energy to Surcharge, so the step forward from there is to focus on getting more racks / bins to mitigate that or upgrade the ones you have.
sick fern
would u like to see my setup and make some correction if needed
im not sure if got balanced amount
sick fern
;-;
sick fern
Elyse is great. If you have spare T3 dice, I would throw one at her to see what ...
ive got a dice now do i reroll now?
obtuse trail
ive got a dice now do i reroll now?
It was 2 AM my time when you asked this, for the record.
sick fern
It was 2 AM my time when you asked this, for the record.
no woorries ppl in the general chat said to keep it
ive got some 4th kill dies too
sick fern
That's an amazing skill for them!
thank you
obtuse trail
As for why this is a great skill:
You can almost always fit one purely defensive skill on your attackers. You will lose damage oer hit sure, but DPS drops to 0 if you're a corpse. Additionally, Druids have great synergy with defensive skills thanks to their innate ability boosting their Herb and Meal items. You also have a weapon skill (and the best one, at that) which is nearly mandatory for attackers and a general Attack skill.
Use that promotion on this Druid.
sick fern
ok
man its a struggle to upgrade malady
do i send her to quests with powerful heroes?
or send her with weak heroes?
obtuse trail
Ideally strong heroes to protect her.
Make sure you give her a good Familiar and Aurasong too.
sick fern
im ok
max tier i can get her is 6
half of the time familiar aint on the market
but i got one todAY
luckily
obtuse trail
At T7, use Anubis and the baseline T7 Aura (Flames, I think?)
Then switch to the T9s when you can do that.
sick fern
ye
obtuse trail
(aka skip the T8 options)
obtuse trail
The best Familiar is always the highest tier option that has HP and Defense. Champions' biggest weakness is their low durability so having boosts to both stats is huge.
Cyclops has HP and Evasion. Evasion is pretty bad on Champions because most of them have a very low base value for it.
The T8 Aura grants CD to the party. This is OK but not great because it's a dead stat for heroes who aren't frequently dealing critical hits.
"Higher tier" very rarely means "better" in this game in any context (unless it's a direct comparison where both things are identical except for the tier).
sick fern
damn
sick fern
so my mage has only 2 skill yall dont tell me to retire her just yet and not promote her either whys that. isnt she week
her names teela
obtuse trail
Skillset is 
, correct?
Please remind me where that was mentioned for context.
sick fern
yes but she said i can retire her later not yet
obtuse trail
Yuki has an explanation of the term, but to clarify: "fire later" is a general term. We use it to give people an idea of how good a hero is and the general priority on retiring them. "Later" in this context means the hero is decent enough to stick around for a while and they'll put in good work, but they're not strong enough to stay permanently.
In this case, you have a T1 hero which means they can only learn two skills before promoting. With heroes like this, you're almost guaranteed to need to reroll slots 3 & 4 after you promote. You don't want to also have to go fishing for important skills while you're doing this. In the case of Teela here, you don't have any bonus Attack and you have two weapon skills. This build style works on Mages, but it kinda forces you into a specific build style where you NEED as much bonus Attack as possible to pair with them.
soft idol
Yuki has an explanation of the term
I just realized that I hadn't explained this at for this chat yet!
Terminology
- Fire now: A hero with skills that are almost irredeemable and should be fired as soon as possible. Adds no value to the team right now, or are the weakest links of the roster.
- Fire later: Heroes that have no long term value, and that you will replace down the line. Typically split into high priority or low priority depending on how usable the set is in the short/long term. Assume high priority if unspecified
- ODC (One dice check): Using one skill dice to reroll a skill at a certain skill slot.
- S1/S2/S3/S4: Refers to the skill slot of a hero. S1 is the first skill for all heroes and is obtained at level 5, S2 is obtained at level 10, S3 at level 23, S4 at level 35. Note that some classes are only able to obtain up to S2/S3 naturally, without being promoted using titan souls
sick fern
Yuki has an explanation of the term, but to clarify: "fire later" is a general t...
amkes sense
sick fern
**Terminology**
- Fire now: A hero with skills that are almost irredeemable and ...
thanks
soft idol
A defensive skill is always welcomed
sick fern
what could be better
sick fern
A defensive skill is always welcomed
is it good tho
for my level?
or retire or reroll?
sick fern
is there a way to quickly lvl up?
soft idol
It's the 2nd best defensive skill on a geomancer
sick fern
and s2?
soft idol
is there a way to quickly lvl up?
Get one or two very strong carry hero's, then use those heroes to carry your other heroes in bleakspire peak if you're able to
soft idol
And to elaborate on why the set would be better if the skills were reversed (aka...
Archon already talked about it
sick fern
Get one or two very strong carry hero's, then use those heroes to carry your oth...
if the low lvl hewro dies does it get the xp?
soft idol
if the low lvl hewro dies does it get the xp?
They don't
That's why you focus only on defensive gear and spirits for your low level heroes
sick fern
;-;
sick fern
gamble or use mega power one
guys can u pls tell me the best team i can pull with my roster damage wise
;-;
obtuse trail
Swap the Spellblade in that screenshot for Elyse and that's probably the best you can do at a quick glance.
THIS IS OKAY.
obtuse trail
Equipment is a big deal when it comes to hero strength. If you have a cohesive skillset and halfway competent gear, then you'll do a lot better than one would expect.
sick fern
whats halfway component gear
obtuse trail
"Usable", basically.
(Also, "competent", not "component". Those are two very different thing.)
sick fern
oh yes yes
obtuse trail
is solid on Fighters and the first two skills make for a strong start of a hybrid attacker / tank set.
sick fern
any reroll i shall perform?
i was thinking of getting a top tier one waith all gold skills
should i do it imean in down to spend some gold
soft idol
i was thinking of getting a top tier one waith all gold skills
Don't think about this, frankly your roster is not anywhere near the point you should even consider doing this
And all gold skills doesn't necessarily mean good
sick fern
;-;
soft idol
should i do it imean in down to spend some gold
You also won't be spending gold to do this
Unless you have Mundra and a load of time on your hands
sick fern
huh
soft idol
Argon's Finest
obtuse trail
You can do a LOT more than you think you can.
soft idol
This is your latest roster right?
sick fern
1 sec
soft idol
You can send 2 teams down jungle extreme
With that roster
At a quick glance at least
sick fern
yes just havent updated some skilss
obtuse trail
This is my goto example.
Second set looks significantly weaker than the first, but is so much better.
soft idol
The rest can all go to hard once they're level 40 with the right gear
sick fern
You can send 2 teams down jungle extreme
wow
obtuse trail
(with proper equipment, of course)
sick fern
This is my goto example.
Second set looks significantly weaker than the first, ...
i mean the right gold skill combos
any random gold skills wont do
ikthat
obtuse trail
Of course. This is an example of that principle.
soft idol
You can send all teams down jungle extreme with only normal/rare skills 😬
No legendary gear either
obtuse trail
It all depends on if they're the right skills.
soft idol
Full flawless gear, titan soul, level 40
sick fern
ik ;-; but some strong ones just ake it more fun to look at
soft idol
ik ;-; but some strong ones just ake it more fun to look at <:stYetiLook:107265...
I can totally respect that and I'm like that as well! But you need to do it at the right time
Frankly, this is not the right time to be picky and going for all gold skills
obtuse trail
That's filed under "my roster is done so I'm looking for better than what I already have".
sick fern
obtuse trail
This game is primarily built on incremental progress.
If you tunnelvision on what your endgame plan is (or on what endgame players are doing), you're going to get frustrated when you don't get there immediately.
soft idol
You can do that later when your current roster has all been levelled up and you slowly work on one or two heroes at a time
sick fern
i understand
obtuse trail
It happens in every game like this ever.
sick fern
This game is primarily built on incremental progress.
If you tunnelvision on wh...
i understand
soft idol
Option 1: Fire your "mid" heroes now and work towards perfect heroes immediately
Option 2: Focus on getting everyone levelled up then work on one/two heroes to "perfect" at a time
sick fern
patience
soft idol
Option 2 will be far faster and efficient
sick fern
i see
soft idol
Reason is because your core roster is solid and you can send multiple teams down harder dungeons which will give you better gear, gold, equipment, XP
That in turn will help you grow faster and get more hero slots, quest slots, better equipment etc
Earlier on, you might spend many days, if not weeks to get a hero from 10 to 35
But once you get a core roster and have a few very strong heroes, you can get a hero from 10 to 35 in less than 10 hours
Which will let you get the 4 gold skill heroes a lot faster
I'll send a short video of my roster progression over the past few months, each picture is updated roughly every 2 weeks
You'll see a massive improvement after my core roster is strong
Because I made a few strong heroes that carried everyone to a good point which made me grow faster
obtuse trail
(honestly probably not, at least the last few. just do the first few progression ones.)
soft idol
Uhh check DMs and tell me which point I should stop
obtuse trail
(you're a bit of an outlier with how quickly you picked everything up)
sick fern
Because I made a few strong heroes that carried everyone to a good point which m...
do i have the few strong ones that carried u like yours
soft idol
do i have the few strong ones that carried u like yours
I can see one great example immediately
Your warlock
sick fern
except that one
soft idol
Cgeryl is has a lot of potential too
You just need to pick up any bonus attack skill in S4 and she'll carry
cyan spoke
eddard and gregor are probably doing a lot of work currently
sick fern
do i need to replace the warlocks last skill tho
soft idol
Elyse is amazing too
soft idol
do i need to replace the warlocks last skill tho
Eventually you do
sick fern
i have a few dies
soft idol
It's not bad to have a defensive skill, but 2 defensive skills is a bit too much on an attacking class
sick fern
do i try?
soft idol
Definitely
cyan spoke
do it
sick fern
;-;
cyan spoke
but he isnt missing anything really 😄
sick fern
whats that
cyan spoke
yeah
sick fern
lesgo
soft idol
I would be 95% happy with a warlock like that
soft idol
too much defensive is it a bad thing tho
Not at all
That isn't considered too much
I'd say it's either just right or even a bit under
sick fern
i mean i just auto select my squads could u give me some arragements?
soft idol
No need to worry about arrangements
The easiest thing to do is to pair your weakest heroes with your strongest heroes
Then if they can't clear, pair a strong champion
If they can clear, pair a weaker champion
sick fern
alr
cyan spoke
yeah. game usually selects your strongest heroes first. what i would do is let it auto select, then unselect one strong hero and add a weak hero instead
this way you send balanced teams
soft idol
If I were you, I'd focus on getting to bleakspire peak and get one team that can carry extreme solo or duo
Probably something like Argon + voldemort + two lower level hero
If you can't carry with just Argon + Voldemort then add another strong hero to carry
Cgeryl, Malik, Elyse are good options for your 2nd carry if needed
sick fern
letme check 1 sec
soft idol
Then use bleakspire extreme to level your highest potential heroes to 36
sick fern
i need some gear advice
soft idol
Give those heroes T14 equipment and move on
sick fern
ok
soft idol
Repeat this process until all of your hereos are level 36 then get them all to 38/40
sick fern
do i give my warlock all max tier equipment?
soft idol
do i give my warlock all max tier equipment?
All T15 is a bad idea
The best setup is a mix of T14/T15
sick fern
this is current the ones that havent broken any replacement needed?
soft idol
To carry in bleakspire
Weapon: Titan Admiral Arms
Clothes: Chronomancer's Robe (For more damage)
Desssert: Starberry Pie
Boots: Voidwalker (For more damage)
Spell: Tribal Scribble
Spell: Tribal Scribble
Spirits: ALL 6 leviathans
When you start doing jungle
Replace clothes with Malady's Robe
Replace Boots with Titan Admiral Boots
Replace both spell with Lilu's Starfall
Spirits: Weapon should use Titan Enchant, keep everything else leviathans
sick fern
ok
obtuse trail
too much defensive is it a bad thing tho
Too much defensive power on attackers is not great.
This is a tank.
(also you're missing a piece of equipment there)
sick fern
it not on the market
i can see t15 but for heroes we can equip them from the market i think
im ml 61
cyan spoke
filters are bugged sometimes
if you can see T15 on the market, then there will definetly be titan admiral arms there
cyan spoke
well, you can't equip it if you cant buy it 😄 its no big deal though
market tiers arent far off
like... 65 I think?
obtuse trail
Correct.
sick fern
61
obtuse trail
(No, Combat was saying you need to be 65 to see T15s on the market)
obtuse trail
Breathe.
soft idol
Got permission from the boss!
obtuse trail
There's a lot in this game that can be overwhelming. This is a lot to take in.
soft idol
Here's a quick roster progression video to show how progression is incremental and takes time
obtuse trail
ST is also a game of incremental progress.
You will get there.
sick fern
There's a lot in this game that can be overwhelming. This is a lot to take in.
thanks for emotional support
xp
cyan spoke
Here's a quick roster progression video to show how progression is incremental a...
now add some epic music
sick fern
Here's a quick roster progression video to show how progression is incremental a...
ur roster is cracked ngl
obtuse trail
Yuki is an outlier, honestly.
She picked the hero system up extremely quickly and played to heavily optimize it.
sick fern
fr i now get why u were saying that shes only ml 66 and knows so much
obtuse trail
She's higher level. That's just when this particular example stops.
obtuse trail
Further progression was omitted because it leans a little too far into "maybe we shouldn't be showing a roster this good to somebody still picking up the basics" territory.
soft idol
And the pictures are just to show you what gradual improvements to a roster looks like
cyan spoke
yuki just cut out the part where she retired all heroes and made the roster only spellblades 🙂 (wait, that was ark, not yuki)
soft idol
ML66 pic was from 17 June
cyan spoke
(i'm joking)
soft idol
yuki just cut out the part where she retired all heroes and made the roster only...
I won't do that
Because I hate spellblades
soft idol
I'm not going through all that pain of hiring another spellblade ever again
soft idol
this year?
Yup yup
soft idol
The point I wanted to make, is that roster improvement explodes once you get a few carry heroes
obtuse trail
(Again, yuki is an outlier on the high end.)
sick fern
how did u lvl up so fast
obtuse trail
Do not focus on what other people are doing.
soft idol
The pictures didn't show the explosive growth I got from bleakspire because I hadn't started farming bleakspire until I got my 2nd & 3rd soul
cyan spoke
how did u lvl up so fast
selling stuff in the shop (i know that sounds unhelpful, but thats mostly everything)
sick fern
😂 thats some wizardry
sick fern
__Do not focus on what other people are doing.__
like i would be able to even if i focused
lmao
sick fern
selling stuff in the shop (i know that sounds unhelpful, but thats mostly everyt...
i am
i farm t 13 t 12 during lcog and tot
to lvl
but even i am not that fast
soft idol
I think we're getting a bit sidetracked here 😛
But you are the creator of this post and since you changed your question to "How did you lvl up so fast"
I didn't do anything special actually...
It was just semester break and I was super addicted to shop titans
sick fern
soft idol
I didn't even buy T13 stuff to sell back then
I just bought T5/T6/T7 because I couldn't get myself to "waste" so much gold
soft idol
Business Suit
sick fern
I just bought T5/T6/T7 because I couldn't get myself to "waste" so much gold
i buy them at below base
only
obtuse trail
Voidminster Habit is immediately out. It's a baseline crafted item = it only has one stat.
As a general rule, you should never use items that only have one stat unless you have no other choice.* Items with an inbuilt element do not count - that's a free enchantment, not a second stat.
*There are two exceptions: if you need more Element power pre T14 elements OR it's a Spellknight and you're using a chest BP item in the weapon / spell / ring slot.
sick fern
ok
i just got one more thing to ask
we talked about this before
can i retire her now
i dont like that she has got 2 skills
obtuse trail
(Important note: Why the heck are you using a Crossbow on a hero who has three bonuses to Staffs?)
sick fern
i remember what yuki and archon said but still getting an itch
soft idol
Personally, I would consider promoting it hahaha
Bonus skill is relatively easy to get
sick fern
u said not to just some days back
soft idol
Yeah I know I did
sick fern
😭
obtuse trail
My opinion on her has not changed.
soft idol
I'm a gambler at heart
cyan spoke
equip a staff and see if you like her then 😄
sick fern
I'm a gambler at heart <:stFaceHappy:705970489545195571>
i like the feeling of gambling while rehiring more
sick fern
equip a staff and see if you like her then 😄
ok
soft idol
Your choices right now are to promote and gamble (not recommended and very risky since you'd be better off promoting a strong t3/t4 hero who already has three good skills)
OR to fire her and hire a T3/T4 attacker in her place (Safe option and what archon recommends)
sick fern
cyan spoke
ah, dont buy it if you want to fire her
sick fern
OR to fire her and hire a T3/T4 attacker in her place (Safe option and what arch...
ye
i want to fire her
yessssssss
yessssss
sick fern
lesgoooooo
soft idol
Hold on...
sick fern
okok
soft idol
Lemme check to see if your roster is at a spot where you should consider her as your next fire
cyan spoke
poor Teela. Tried her best but was still not good enough
obtuse trail
Relevant:
Based on what we just talked about, which of these would be a good option?
(Assuming you were keeping her)
sick fern
wisdom
obtuse trail
Because?
obtuse trail
Yule's Herald has HP instead. Is that a good option?
soft idol
Yup! I checked and I see a few other heroes that are "worse" but because those heroes have more skill slots to work with, and have higher base stats, they're better than your current mage
For that, I think it's safe to say that you can let go of her
Resending the roster here because it's annoying to scroll up
soft idol
ML60 has 18 hero slots and 6 quest slots, as such you should ideally have 6 fighters and 3 heroes for each element.
I'll tell you what hero to hire after you send your updated roster 👀
sick fern
ok
soft idol
6 fighters
5 rogues
7 spellcasters
3 light
3 water
2 fire
3 dark
3 air
2 earth
These elements do not have two archetype coverage
- light
- air
- earth
Since you're firing your mage teela, you'll be down to 1 fire. Pick up a musketeer
cyan spoke
i think he has enough hp
I think archon would say that both would be good options. you already have quite a bit of HP, which makes DEF better, but you also have a HP boosting skill
soft idol
Musketeer will give you two archetypes for fire and balanced number of heroes across all archetypes while also giving you back the fire hero you fired
sick fern
soft idol
Wow, I just realized that all three of your dancers have a lot of potential!
soft idol
If I were you, I'd use voldemort to carry your dancers to level 35 quickly
soft idol
Nope!
cyan spoke
whatever you have available works
soft idol
Argon/Rudo/Ashley + Warlock + Dancer + Dancer
See where that gets you
There's one that has air barrier
If your dancers can survive that, do that
sick fern
just the warlock and a dancer?
soft idol
If your warlock is well built, she should be able to carry that team. I'm not sure if she's strong enough to kill the enemy before the enemy kills your dancer though!
soft idol
Gimme a sec!
soft idol
Current equipment for warlock:
The Final Death
Business Suit
Eversweet Cornucopia
Voidwalkers
Tales of Yule
Darkness Millennium
All 6 leviathan because you don't need the survival against bleakspire
soft idol
final approval
Go for it!
sick fern
skills to look for in muski
soft idol
Any skill that gives the following (No particular order!)
- Weapon skill (Mandatory)
- Bonus attack (Mandatory)
- Evasion
- CHC/CD
- HP
soft idol
That's a good start but if you want to continue rerolling 🤷♀️
I can't stop you
Aim for a good S2
That's the typical advice we give if your core roster is decent and you want a good hero 😛
soft idol
It's good
S2 is only "outclassed" by one skill which is cloak & daggers
It's a great skill!
I run one defensive skill on ALL of my attackers except for my first three souled attackers
If I could go back and give those three attackers a defensive skill before I soul them, I would for two of them
sick fern
So is this a GOOD?
Only then I keep
Only 50k so i am rerolling until I get some thing GOOD
soft idol
This IS good
Is it the BEST? No!
Is it really good? Depends on S3
Is it good? Even if S3 turns out to be a dud, yes!
BUT
Here's the major caveat 😬
Musketeers are an attacking class, so they absolutely need a weapon skill and a bonus attack skill
sick fern
soft idol
Neither S1 nor S2 are either of those
soft idol
So you need to get a weapon skill/bonus attack in S3
Promote, and then get the other in S4
Which makes your options quite limited
soft idol
S1 and S2 are great by itself, but you not having Roland makes it a bit harder to recommend keeping this hero because of the specific skills you need to get in both S3 and S4
soft idol
That's phenomenal!
DOB is my bias on all rogues (In a good way)
It's my go to and preferred choice
soft idol
You don't want to reroll it now because if you do, it might come back at S3 or S4 😛
soft idol
I always pick up low tier stuff for ascension fodder and blueprint mastery
But if you don't want to do that and want BIS item
Betrayer's Hands are BIS for a good few heroes that want the offensive power
I don't use it because I want more bulk in my equipment, so I run titan admiral gloves instead
sick fern
ok
soft idol
But a lot of higher level players only care about offensive power, and if they're looking for offensive power, it doesn't get any better than betrayer's gloves 😛
sick fern
but these are decent?
soft idol
At least, if they are picking up gloves to begin with
obtuse trail
It's a T14.
soft idol
i cant find leviathan spirit
Oh right... that's t14
Sorry forgot you don't have t14 yet 😬
Use bear for now
Or maybe kraken or chimera?
sick fern
whens t14 unlocking
soft idol
Tbh I didn't focus on spirits until t14 haha
sick fern
Or maybe kraken or chimera?
do i go for the cheapest among these?
soft idol
Honestly, I have no clue which one to pick up!
sick fern
att / crit / hp
eva
gimme a set for dancers too
;-;
pls
im confusedd
and this one too
obtuse trail
Make sure your heroes have equipment in all slots.
You also have four baseline crafted items here.
General rule of thumb for T12 spirit:
- Fighters, use half Phoenix / half Tarrasque. You can go full Phoenix or full Tarrasque if you sim it and it works better for your specific setup. Christmas > Phoenix if the fight averages 8 turns or less.
- Rogues who don't need Evasion & crit based Spellcasters use Chimera.
- Rogues who do need Evasion (or CHC) use Carbuncle.
- Spellcasters otherwise use Kraken.
soft idol
Blueprints unlocked using research scrolls
They're called baseline craft because they only have 1 and only 1 stat on the equipment
When picking equipment for heroes, even a lower tier item with 2 stats will outperform a higher tier single stat item
obtuse trail
As a general rule, you should *never* use items that only have one stat unless y...
Remember this part?
sick fern
in yhis im asking which ones better
obtuse trail
Your thoughts?
sick fern
Your thoughts?
jester jouster
obtuse trail
I meant that you asked two very different equipment related questions one right after the other, so it's easy to confuse the second one as being a continuation of the first.