news-discussion

[slim junco]

This is the top player with 70% WR.

[daring elm]

You’d need more than just top 5. Maybe top 300 or top 400 to actually prove a point and compare the amount of premiums and collectors they have vs something like 3k average players

[young path]

Omg!!! The whole community is climbing on the walls because the new MM. When the old MM used to be crabby as well...
The most unbelievable thing is that when reading this ranting, I get the feeling that players with 40 something WR are the blame for this. Please bare in mind that without us "Mortals" you shining pro's couldn't get your precious WR's to be as good as they are..

[slim junco]

Your argument that top 10% players spend more money than 90% of ordinary players just doesn't make sense.

This is not where the 1% has 99% of the world's wealth type of situation.

[west zinc]

Yeap, thanks for being my farming garden before the SBMM kicks in. You can have the throne now, I'm retiring.

[daring elm]

It makes perfect sense once you’ve been around the “f2p mobile game” scene for some time lmao

[slim junco]

That's my point too. The top 10% should stop whining, cuz nothing is going to change for them.

[daring elm]

For example, in gacha games like Azur Lane and Arknights, you don’t need to spend money to do well in the game; Azur Lane gets the majority of their profits from purchaseable skins that are obtained via premium currency you pay for with actual money and for Arknights there are several low rarity guides out there that you can just copy to clear stages. Players are spending money not because they need to but because they want to

[gleaming lotus]

you sound like @sly apex except you're actually serious 💀💀💀💀

[daring elm]

And it doesn’t require a brain to figure out that invested players tend to spend more money than uninvested players. Oftentimes the “top 10% minority” are actually the whales and leviathans that tend to spend most of the money into the game

[slim junco]

But they're not quiting the game, despite all the whining. Are't they? They've already invested too much into the game.

WG is just trying to make more money by appealing to the 90% masses. It's a good business strategy.

[daring elm]

They aren’t quitting yet. They’re just holding out for hope that WG will actually improve the new matchmaker to not be as cringe as it is rn or revert it all together. Games die slowly from a series of terrible decisions, look at how WoWS is doing rn vs how it was 5 years ago

[sweet crater]

The very idea of balancing based on general statistics is absurd. This results in a situation where the same person playing on accounts with different stats shows completely different results per session. Those. your effectiveness does not depend on your skill, but on how bad your overall statistics are.

[west zinc]

No use arguing with him bud, he's on the 40-50% win ratio range so he's clearly enjoying his time in the sun with SBMM. And from a business standpoint he does make good argument, if WG can please 90% of the player base while pissing off the 10% then it's clearly a win for them. The only way SBMM hurts WG is if the 60%ers actually quit the game entirely but we both know only a small handful of people will actually leaves.

[slim junco]

But if the 90% gets to spend more cuz of increased WR, that would already compensate the potential losses.

[gleaming lotus]

Lmao? Please never run a business. Abandoning your core customers to try to appeal to a larger customer base has been proven time and time again to not work

[somber ruin]

🍿

[daring elm]

That’s the thing that WG is gambling on, if they gain more money from the newbies who stay longer with the game due to enjoying it more compared to the 60% whales then the new mm will probably stick. I suspect that the “testing” will last for several months to see whether the newbs they retain can offset and potentially spend more money than the former whales or not

[somber ruin]

I like the way you've put it, wg is currently testing to see if their gamble will pay off in the future

[slim junco]

Yes. I like the new SBMM better, cuz the battles are easier now. I don't feel any shame having a lower WR. I just don't have the time to play this game as much as the top players do.

But I still play from time to time. And as it's easier, I'll probably play more.

I think it's ok to have different views about the new SBMM. Instead of just the top 10% whining about losing 0.5% WR.

[young path]

Not really giving rats *@#€ about my WR and I play ratings 99% of my battles, so give that Crown to someone who cares.
But thanks anyway..

[daring elm]

And honestly speaking, I doubt that they’ll actually get more money from the newbs they get compared to their former whales

[gleaming lotus]

It's common sense that downgrading the quality of a product to increase profit and losing your loyal customers in the process never works for long term business health. It's a common strategy used by many large corporations to buy out smaller companies, nerf the quality, and then milk money until the loyal customers quit. The companies never last long after that. This is just another extension of that

[chrome bolt]

Can someone explain to me why people cared so much about the mm before the update anyways? Like if people can consistently get 60, 70 or even 80% wr, then was there really an issue?

[west zinc]

No probs bud, just giving my gratitude for giving a blast while it lasted. Hope you have fun

[slim junco]

I think it was a different group of players complaining.

The new SBMM just triggered the small groups of Unicums. So they came out screaming.

[somber ruin]

You like it because it benefits you that's why

[slim junco]

Yes it does. The battles are easier now. I don't have to try to carry the team to win as the old MM.

I think it's ok for people to say we like the new MM. I think 90% of the players will actually agree with me.

[chrome bolt]

I mean I am a unicum and I can tell you that the problem I have with the new matchmaking is that I don’t end up facing against other Unicoms, but the game instead compensâtes my high wr with 40%ers. My problem is that 55%ers will murder 45%ers the same way 65%ers murder 55%ers, so since there are 5 to 6 on the enemy team per game and that my entire team is made of 40%ers, I end up in a situation where all 7 enemies can each murder my teammates faster than I can kill them back. Sbmm is also terrible for grinding gold boosters now. I think that the game should not compensate, as it feels like rigging games against you. I also think that if people used to be able to reach 80% wr, we should learn from them instead of complaining that we get bad teams to push for sbmm. If they can do it consistently, we all can. Thank you for reading my Ted talk.

[somber ruin]

It's also OK for people to say they don't like the new MM too then right? So why are you so defensive about it? I prefer the old one perhaps because I'm not used to the new one

[white bone]

New MM just sucks

[gleaming lotus]

You never carried to begin with which is why the battles are easier 😭😭

[slim junco]

I'm not defensive about it at all. I'm just sick of all the whining.

It's ok for the 90% of ordinary players to also have a voice here. Not just Unicums.

[west zinc]

The unicums complains because it hurts good players for being good while benefits bad players for playing bad that's all. Its gives good players a bad time while below average players are having a blast. It's up to WG to pick which kind of players they wanted to please. Though I'm sure WG just wanted to dumb down the game so being skillful no longer gives you an edge at the game.

[chrome bolt]

Ok but why make the game worse for 10% of the player base when you could not make the game worse at all tho

[somber ruin]

I'm part of the majority that hates the new MM
My stats aren't amazing, but stop trying to speak for everyone dude it's making you look bad

[white bone]

[slim junco]

Yes. I agree with this. They should change it to the way that teams are more balanced. You only fight other 60+ players, without having to help other 40 players.

But maybe that kind of MM makes the waiting time too long.

I don't think the MM should punish 60+ players on purpose by giving them bad teammates.

Just let them 60+ players fight each other. Let the 40 players go head to head with each other.

[gleaming lotus]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ bro doesn't understand basic math

[white bone]

[west zinc]

It's their first time actually winning this much because the MM rigs it in their favor lmao. If they are actually good they wouldn't be celebrating at all rn xd

I swear people who don't care about winning at all in a PvP game is weird to me. I can understand that winning isn't everything but if you play "Regular Battles" and not trying to win then you're just trolling your teammates who actually want to win. They say "I don't care about winrate!!" well yes but you must understand that the other 6 persons playing with you might care so don't be a let down and help your team actually wins.

[gleaming lotus]

low testosterone individuals

[slim junco]

Maybe my daily mission is to kill 3 TDs. I just got 5 minutes left to play for today. And I just wanna go in and kill a TD.

Why do I have to try to win this battle, if I can just focus on killing a TD?

[forest aurora]

i lose because my teamates sucks u lose cuz u suck we are different kind of moment lol

[white bone]

[chrome bolt]

There is an issue with this however, first of all there aren’t enough 60%ers, let alone 70%ers.
However, even if there were, the top players are bound to lose more games because they constant play against fellow top players. Given enough time with this, the top players will all go down to 50% wr. There is another similar issue with 40%ers: if there aren’t good players to punish their dumb plays, they will win more games, also pushing all of them towards 50% wr eventually. I believe that given enough time with sbmm, everyone will become close to 50% wr and it wouldn’t even work anymore.
My final issue with 60%ers fighting other 60%ers is that they lose the benefits of being better than 40-55%wr ppl by a mile. The point of becoming better is so that you can outplay them easily, and you should be rewarded with more wins for succeeding at that. Without the worse players, there is no point in being better than them at all. Thank you for reading my second Ted talk.

[west zinc]

This guy literally admits that he rather throw the game for a mission than actually getting his team to get a win lmao. No wonder you're not a good player, you're playing this 7v7 game as if it's a single player story driven game xD

[young path]

When I said I don't care about my WR I didn't mean I don't want to win. At the moment I'm all in to learn how to play and for that reason I play ratings only. The some regulars I've played during the new MM our team have won like two or so battles..

[slim junco]

You can quit the Ted Talk smartassness.

Yes. I think it's impossible to make it so strict. But at least, mix 50 with 60, and mix 40 only with 50. Don't force the 60 to carry as much as they do now.

[chrome bolt]

The Ted talk bit was just me mocking my own paragraphs for being like ten thousand words long. I’m not saying this sound smarter, I’m genuinely making fun of myself lol

[west zinc]

Then you do care to win so to a degree you care about winrate. If you don't care about win rate then you're just the same as the other dude who rather lose because he felt like it. If you don't care about winning then you're playing the wrong game. The very basic objective in this game is literally "Capture the objectives or destroy all enemy tanks" in order words... "Winning".

[slim junco]

I just don't care about WR enough. Lol. It's just a number to me.

I complete my daily missions and collect some gold at the end of the week. Maybe I can gamble the gold in crates and get a prem tank. I'm happy.

Why do I need to try so hard for a superficial number that doesn't do anything in real life?

[torn drift]

You can still win, although you are not farming seven 40%ers anymore

[west zinc]

But your the 1%er of people who thinks this way. Ask the majority of the player base and they would say that winning is the objective. If you're not trying to win then you're just ruining other peoples experience

[atomic marten]

Sbmm has done massive damage to games like cod I’m not sure why they think it will be any different for blitz. Even if this matchmaking stays and the 60%ers all leave the people who were 50%ers before will run into the same issues

[chrome bolt]

I also like the idea of a gamemode where this is possible. Luckily, ratings are there to fill that role. One of my issues with sbmm is that pubs should fill the role of you testing how good you can win against anyone who’s up to play, no matter how good they are. Pubs used to fill that role. Now they don’t fill that role and there are no gamemodes to take it’s place.

[young path]

I'm not on paying attention to my WR because I do want learn how to play like Pro's do. It doesn't happen over night and everyone knows it. I have had good tips from experienced players and I spend time with studying the maps etc. I try to implement what I know and what I'm learning from every battle I play, but WR ain't my main concern atm.

[torn drift]

Yeah and 40%ers are winning more, thus with your idea the change favors a bigger part of the population.

[white bone]

New accounts fear the New mm

[slim junco]

I think one of the reasons for the change in MM is the recent influx of new players after the new year.

So many battles became too lopsided because of the new players. I remember there were a lot of complaints about noob teammates who are going to the wrong positions.

That's why WG is tweaking it to avoid the total noob players losing too much or ruining other people's chances to win.

But this change seems to went into overdrive to punish the top players too much.

With my 42K battle account, I did notice less total noob players who are going in the wrong direction after the new update.

I got another active account of 3K battles and 59% WR, with that account, I didn't feel any difference.

Even with the old MM, the more battles you play, your WR will slowly drop as the MM still tries to throw harder battles at you as you play more.

I think the new MM just went into overdrive in terms of making it hard for top WR players.

[young path]

There was issues with the old MM and I played regulars a lot when it was in use. A lot of people complaint about it and I agreed with them. Though I do know I wasn't the greatest player on the field, but there was problems for sure.. About the new system I can't say much, so I'm shutting up now..

[midnight spindle]

please put up a good tank promotion

[chrome bolt]

First of all I’m the opinion that only comp players truly know how to play maps instead of just flanks, so you should always expect players to go to the wrong flank. However, top players were still consistently getting 70-80%wr with those conditions. How did they do it? Well they know how to play the map as a whole so they were able to make their bad teammates positioning work regardless. If there was an elo system to blitz like there is in chess most people would be like 200 elo and you should not expect them to do good decisions, nor rely on them not to. Influx of new players did not provent good players from getting their wr, so I’m the opinion that skill can counter this phenomenon, making it a non-issue. What is an issue however is when your entire team is being outplayed by the entire enemy team faster than you can equalize because the matchmaking set it up to be this way

[gaunt trellis]

People have been complaining about noob players for years. Its made up.

[slim junco]

Yes. The noob players are not a problem for Unicums, cuz they know how to farm them.

But for less experienced players, having teams like that has actually made winning more difficult, cuz they're not that good to carry a team to begin with.

That's why the influx of new players were a bigger problem for lower WR players, those around 50%, cuz they have to carry the team much more to win, with those new players doing nothing.

Yes. I agree that the MM shouldn't set up for the top 60 players to lose.

[chrome bolt]

… no it did not?

[wintry solstice]

Did I read that right?
Top players are most likely to lose less?

[somber ruin]

Bro stop yappinggggg

[gaunt trellis]

No having bad players made it easier for you to win. Prior to this update a bad player had a 54% chance of being on the enemy team and 46 on your team

[torn drift]

Thats where I call cope, 40%ers always appeared, they are the most abundant player base. What changed is you getting a guaranteed good player in red team

[daring elm]

It's not just unicums who are whining, even above average players like me with 54% winrate are seriously screwed over by the matchmaking. It punishes you for being a good player and rewards you for being trash

[chrome bolt]

While I agree that having worse team mates for bellow 60% wr players is an issue to their chances of winning, I don’t think this the solution has to come from wargaming. Instead, I believe that the solution should come from those players who rely on their team more to improve. This way, players can achieve their goals of winning without affecting the entire playerbase.
I would also like to add that it is impossible to do sbmm without rigging it against the better players, because there simply aren’t enough of them, making « compensations » the only way to get battles going

[west zinc]

How do you know when you reached the Pros? You must have someway to measure your growth right? For me one of the indicator that I've improved as a player is Winrate. Sure WR isn't your main concern, you just want to get better. Here's the catch, good winrate is just a byproduct of playing better.

[torn drift]

Nah fam I am 56% career (was like 40 at some point and had to spam 60% sessions to raise it) and I am performing the same.

[slim junco]

I think the new SBMM is just too harsh for the top players, cuz like you said, the system tried too hard to "compensate".

But for average players, I think the new SBMM filtered out total noobs to a different type of MM. And I'm glad to know that I get at least 50% players on my team most of the time.

I feel the change is a positive one for me.

[young path]

Well that is probably a goal I never achieve, but I'm still going to try.

[chrome bolt]

Considering the sbmm uses average statistics of teams to balance them out, have you considered the fact that you 56%wr is not high enough to generate compensations, aka a ton of bad team mates on your team 24/7, all at the same time

[daring elm]

While luck is a factor to winning, it isn't everything. 60%ers are 60%ers because they do what they're able to do to win more compared to 40%ers who do nothing and is either useless to the team or is actively being detrimental to the team whether intentional or not

[torn drift]

Because WR is a trivial measure and it needs to be compared with other numbers, like your averave tier, the tanks you play, your avg XP, your avg damage.

A 60% Kryos spammer is not the same as a 60% tier 10 player.

[west zinc]

They should balance the MM around the majority of the player base, why would they balance the MM around the great players who only make up 10% of the whole population? Just doesn't make any sense. If they want more competitive battles then give both sides an even distribution of players of all ranges. Why match one 60% with 6 bad players and have them fight seven 50-55%ers. That's the main issue here

[slim junco]

Plus, a 10K 55% is different from a 40K 55%. The number of battles does make a difference too.

I'm only 49.88% on 43K battles.

But my 30 day is 58%, even before the MM change.

I think the new SBMM only takes your career WR into account.

[chrome bolt]

Understanding map dynamics as a whole instead of just understanding individual flanks is a pretty good indicator. Tier ten performance has to be one of the best too.

[daring elm]

How many career battles have you got? I have 11.5k and I've been getting window lickers all the time ever since the update dropped. Maybe new player mm is alleviating the issue somewhat for those with less than 5.5k battles

[meager hull]

If wargaming tried to educate the players instead of keeping them dumb then this wouldn’t be a problem. Droodles has said he’d make more professional vids to put in blitz to help give people knowledge for free. But you know wargaming wants apes with wallets and clowns that support them

[torn drift]

Yesterday I had to carry a game against two 60%ers (one was a tester) while being the one with the highest account average. My team average was 2 points lower and the enemy team had 2 50%ers while I got all the sub 46%ers.

You guys are going for damage and not Ws.

[slim junco]

Yes. And average tier and average DMG per battle.

Not sure how WG's algorithm works.

[west zinc]

All the things you said also impacts WR. Knowing these things will automatically increase your WR compared to if you don't know these things.

[young path]

Right now my goal is to reach the diamond league. I've been climbing from the silver league with 2500something points to golden with 3700something points, and slowly getting there, so I guess I'm doing something right..

[torn drift]

25k, playing since 2016, all lines researched (on the BZ-68 atm), 0% platoon rate for about 3-4 years. In fact I didnt experience newbie queue in 2016 as far as I recall XD

[daring elm]

Ah

[ember warren]

FIX THE DAMN MATCH MAKER. YOU GUYS BROKE IT AND MADE IT WORSE THAN IT WAS BEFORE. IT ABSOLUTELY SUCKS NOW.

[chrome bolt]

I think that the solution to your poor winrate should come from your dedication to becoming better.skills are the solution. You feel like the solution should come from the game artificially giving you better support through sbmm, which I think is dumb, because it takes away from the benefits of being good. Why becoming good if you always have it harder during games? In this sens, the game does want you to stay worse, because it punishes you for becoming better.

[west zinc]

Then you gotta play better and win more, by winning more you'll get there faster and more efficiently.

[meager hull]

When the 60% start to leave and the next highest demographic get pulled down all those in favour of the change will soon release what they were advocating for. No more if it doesn’t affect me I don’t care mentality

[slim junco]

Oh for me. I don't really care about the WR changes. Even with the old MM, it goes up and down from time to time.

I like the change, as a career 49% and 30-day 58% player, because the battles are not as difficult cuz I don't need to be the "good player" on the team, if I want to win.

The battles feel less stressful, which is good for me as a casual player.

I hate to have to sweat until the last second to just pull out a win.

[chrome bolt]

I mostly play pubs because I’m trying to ace a tank or to grind gold boosters, so actually I do care a hole lot more about wr than you’d think. I have 66.4%wr but no 4K tanks after 100 games. My career average is like 2.1k. I prefer winning, don’t put us all in the same boat please.

[torn drift]

Pretty sure that being a stat padder hits you in the back. Also being a reroll hurts as you might get put against 100k 60%ers while you just finished farming bots. The MM doesn't care if your WR comes from spamming Annhilators/Smashers/Draculas (back in the late 2010s) and I am seeing those guys doing 1k dmg or less on tier 10. Maybe I am skewed but that has been my experience past update.

Obviously it has to compensante for 70%ers but 60%ers are more common.

[quartz pebble]

this mm is ass

[slim junco]

Oh yes. I made a reroll not for WR.

I have a reroll cuz I love gambling. lol. I got half of the prem/collector tanks by opening crates on the reroll, which has much better luck than my 43K account.

I got 50% of all the prem tank on my 3K battle reroll.

The game is not just about WR for me. If I get to try different tanks, I'm happy.

I couldn't care less if my reroll's WR drops below 50%.

[chrome bolt]

You just described sbmm for competent players lol. You always have to sweat cuz ur teammates are dying every 40 seconds (litteraly), battles are stressful cuz u always have to be the good player. Oh and also you still only really get 50% wins cuz most teams are just uncarryable. Also I can’t play non-meta fun tanks like the Foch anymore cuz it doesn’t kill the 55%ers as fast as they kill my 45%ers teammates.

[west zinc]

Weird isn't it when you're rewarded for being subpar and punished if you're getting better hmm..

[ember warren]

FIX THE DAMN MATCH MAKER DEVELOPERS. YOU GUYS BROKE IT AND MADE IT WORSE THAN IT WAS BEFORE. IT ABSOLUTELY SUCKS NOW.

[wintry solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxU9Vsb9Ar8I-Z7JiIFHth35i4IKLEBNAj

[chrome bolt]

Ok to be fair, rerolls getting hammered is the only good thing to come out of sbmm. Yes I said only. I don’t think it’s a worth trade tho.

[slim junco]

Ha yes. It sucks for top 60 players.

But the new SBMM makes the battles less stressful for me. Plus, cuz my career WR is only 49%, the system doesn't punish me as a 30-day 58% player. So the teams are easier for me, compared to before the change.

I think it's up to WG to fix this difference.

[gaunt trellis]

Theres actually a quite easy solution to help bad players win more. Discourage them from tier x by changing the credit system and make them bottom tier every game

[meager hull]

Don’t bother this guy is clueless. He says he prefers the new mm as he has to sweat less but is in favour of others having to sweet more for the majority of their games. Bro is below average and has no regard for other players. As long as he isn’t directly affected he couldn’t care what happens

[torn drift]

Yeah my statement is more generalized XD personally stat padders are in shambles and I see then not performing as they are being put against more 60%ers and they can't carry. Playing against seven 40%ers is not like playing against 1-2 good players. Give me the seven 40%ers any day hahaha.

[west zinc]

They did say they want the battles to be more fairer but I feel like the games are becoming and more one sided compared to before

[gaunt trellis]

Statistically they probably aren't. It is possible its happening but game design does suggest more equal teams should result in less blowouts by a slight margin

[ember warren]

Games are literally almost always a 1 sided wash out now due to this broken MM

[meager hull]

I bet they will role the change back slightly but then just slowly ramp it back up. It’s mask off for wargaming we know they despise skill. Can’t wait to see how bad comp scene will be for drops after players get fed up

[west zinc]

Perhaps it's because I have too high of a Winrate that's causing me to get the most amount of impact this update

[wintry solstice]

How many battles do you have?

[gaunt trellis]

I mean I have 70 day 30 in tier x . I felt more close and sweaty games

[chrome bolt]

I mean this in the least mean way possible, but I do not consider 58%wr 30days to make you the « good player » of the team whatsoever. I think that your pressure is at the very least exadurated, as you wouldn’t clutch up most of the hard games with the old mm. However, top players having the pressure to be the good player of the team is more than just a feeling with sbmm: it’s the reality. Don’t believe me? Look at any content creator with 65wr plus and see their required performance every game. Also I find it a bit lame thst you think it is up to wargaming to make up for your lack of skills.

[west zinc]

8k battles at 72% WR

[slim junco]

I mean I do not get punished as other 58% players, as my career WR is much lower.

That's why I feel the new MM is easier for me, compared to others who have been complaining.

And yes, I think it's up to WG to fix it for the 60 WR players.

But for the rest of the players, I think the change is positive.

I just don't think that the positive impact for lower WR players should be ignored.

The battles are easier now and less stressful.

How to make the battles less difficult for top 60 players, it's up to WG to figure it out.

[somber ruin]

Top 60?!??!

[slim junco]

I mean 60% WR players.

[meager hull]

Bro you can’t think this is a positive change for the rest of the players. You’ve spent hours debating with people that have been vast majority against this

[west zinc]

SBMM makes 60%ers team way to reliant on a single player. While the opposite team which consists of more 50%ers is definitely going to be better overall.

[chrome bolt]

Trust me we are well aware thst lower wr players are enjoying this. Also we aren’t mad because lower %ers get a more fun time, we are mad because it is unfair for you to have similar wr to us while being so much worse. Unicom’s spent so much time on this game and learned so many ways to get better that seeing wargaming reward those who didn’t do as much just because they just asked instead of trying to improve is insulting. Like if I can do it, so can you. If you don’t want to comit for it, you shouldn’t get the benefits of it.

[somber ruin]

Yep the team with more 50%ers will clear out the scrubs, then at the end of battle can focus the 60%er and there will be nothing that the 60%er can do

[west zinc]

I mean everyone can vote and see what the discord members thinks about SBMM in #game-status-upd.

[meager hull]

They have it 1-6 (don’t know what side the arms supposed to be)

[wintry solstice]

You should be the one figuring out how to make games easier, not wg. Your games are becoming less stressful because you're getting better teams while us that spent time learning mechanics, characteristics and improving by ourselves, are getting a lot more incompetent teammates to compensate our high wr. In conclusion: wg is making up for your lack of skill

[slim junco]

Oh Im not happy because of the improved stats. I don't care at all.

I'm happy that the battles are easier than before. Even if I lose, I don't feel frustrated.

That's what's great about the new mm. I couldn't care less about my WR.

[chrome bolt]

Buddy there ain’t no solution to figure out for 60%ers to have a better time other than just not rigging the game against them. You can’t just go « well this thing benefits me so it should be kept. As for the fact that it is a detriment to so many others, well this isn’t my problem » and expect us to give any worth to your opinion

[torn drift]

Yeah the games are not as onesided, at least I am happy for that

[slim junco]

Yes. it's a mobile game, why do I need to try so hard?

I'm not playing for a higher WR or any rewards. It's just casual fun.

I don't even need to win. Just complete the daily missions, collect some gold and gamble.

It's just a way to kill some free time. Why try to be so serious about a mobile game?

[west zinc]

WG please make a PvE mode so we can all have the easiest game in our life so that I don't need to get better. I just want an easy game even though I could just play other game that are easier. I don't care about anything, just make a game mode that's just me clicking mouse 1 at a afk bot so I can farm yes

[wintry solstice]

Then why are you happy with the new mm if you don't care about winning or stats? You could be as happy when the old mm was a thing since you don't worry about your personal statistics

[torn drift]

Werent you farming seven 40%ers before? XD

[chrome bolt]

So you are telling me that I’m trying my hardest not to make this just about my personal experience and ur entire argumentation is that it is good for you specifically, therefore it should be kept… like respectfully I think that’s just terrible reasoning for a game feature that affects the entire playerbase… I find it hard not to disregard your opinion entirely after that.

[slim junco]

I can complete the daily missions much faster, cuz the games are easier.

I couldn't care less about my WR.

[west zinc]

But I want an even easier game, where the 40%ers don't even shoot back smh

[chrome bolt]

Idk how to say this without sounding like a dictator or whatever but considering that you care less, shouldn’t your opinion have less weight than those who care more then? Cuz again u don’t even care about winning so why would I hold any value to your experience and opinion about sbmm

[wintry solstice]

You have different game modes for that, then. You don't have to do those missions in regular games

[torn drift]

I mean didn't you have to carry 6 incompetent players before? (5 if you platoon stacked) I still have to do top damage and XP if I want to win, I might not farm as much damage as before but my gameplan has stayed the same. Carry them shtters.

[chrome bolt]

The point of sbmm is to have closer, longer and more interesting games. If you just want to complete missions like why are you debating this

[slim junco]

Cuz I'm paying customer to WG just like you. So I'm valuable to their business just like you.

I just don't care about the WR. But I welcome the easier game experience

[west zinc]

No? There are just about the same amount of incompetent players on both teams before, I have to carry sometimes yes but my team is actually capable of handling their own against the opponent cuz both teams has their own share of bad players unlike now.

[wintry solstice]

That dude doesn't make any sense lmao
Why would he be happy with the new mm when he says he doesn't mind losing. He could be very well alright with the old mm too

[slim junco]

Cuz there are too many backslash against it. As a paying customer, our voices should also be heard

Not about WR, but about the overall experience

[meager hull]

He just waffles as he complains about the game being to hard for him and needs to be helped to win

[west zinc]

He's just selfish lmao, he could just play fun modes if all he cares about is clearing missions. Changing MM literally doesn't affect him at all if he only plays for like 5 min a day. He's just here to bait people and troll smh

[meager hull]

Bro wakes up, plays for 5 mins then goes and fights dozens of people to say that he cares less than them and is worse than them at the game 💀

[chrome bolt]

I dont spend $ on the gsme, tho I have a couple times before, on top of a fiew friends gifting me a thing or two, so I guess I am indeed a fellow customer who’s opinions the same as yours, so from a business perspective, I see how opinions are irrelevant, so I’ll talk about the product. My enjoyment of this game has been decreasing much more than it has gotten better for you, and I know, because you told me why you like sbmm. Therefore, I think the changes are overall worse for paying customers, which is a hell of a reason to revert the change. Also you can’t claim to not care about winning only to follow it up saying your voice about this matchmaker that affects win rate should be heard. I understand thst you are a paying customer, but again, you don’t care.

[torn drift]

No XD you were more likely to get stacked teams before (all the +50%s on one side) or straight 2 unicums platooning on a 12 shtter lobby.

Right now you are guaranteed to face "an equal" and equal 40%ers on both sides. Though I can say I have played matches with no 40%ers at all and stacked players on both sides.

Whatever the case, you are still getting 40%ers on your side and enemy side as before, what changed is what you face is guaranteed a good player. UNLESS you are an extreme anomaly (38% or 70%) and MM has to juggle a lot and give you bad matches.

[safe basalt]

It will be fair if the MM can make 70s vs 70s, and 60s vs 60s, but u may have wait for 1 hr or 2 to find enough players. UNLESS they merge all the servers.

[tame zealot]

??? xD

[chrome bolt]

@safe basalt please read these fiew ten thousand words for me. Thank you

[west zinc]

Nope, factually not true. What if there's no 60-70% players available to match against me? The SBMM will balance it by averaging the WR of both teams so I have more 40% than the other. I've checked this multiple times, you can also see the numerous screenshots on general blitz discussion. There's no "Guarantee" that both team will be equally matched player by player, this is literally not true.

What's true is that the average winrate of both team is similar, but the variance in winrate on each team can be different.

[daring elm]

Don’t bother with him lol, he doesn’t care that us above average players are hating the new matchmaker because we’re getting screwed by it and he’s benefitting from it

[chrome bolt]

Compensation to average the win rates of both teams makes this not true

[safe basalt]

Stop reading. Everyone have a nice day 😁

[restive lake]

This new match making is trash end of discussion.

[chrome bolt]

Nah im happy I did tbh, none of my arguments against sbmm have been countered and I feel like I made it more than obvious that is opinion his too focused on himself on not just the entire playerbase, so we can’t give his opinion the same value as everyone else’s now.

[meager hull]

Tbf that guy has said outrageously bad takes in here multiple times before. Must get some pleasure being clowned on

[daring elm]

Ah, yeah he’s just being selfish lol

[rose portal]

WeeGae 💩 👍

[chrome bolt]

Idk I’m just happy that I have a legitimate reason to disregard his opinion now lol

[torn drift]

There are, you are forgetting that 60%ers play more matches per day and play for longer periods of time.

I invite you to check stats after each match on your next session. I even play at midnight and I get more 60%ers at those hours as average players are not THAT addicted.

[chrome bolt]

@torn drift

[west zinc]

I might need to crosscheck by playing on my first accounf with 62% WR but the account I'm currently grinding has 72% WR which might make me an anomaly, anyway I'll keep on the lookout for what you said

[carmine helm]

This is my account since the update. Currently running at approx 36 net losses. And WG want to evaluate stats. Look at this graph WG, the stats are 💩
And by the way, what this ‘new’ MM is going to encourage, is low tier seal clubbing. I’ve had to resort to playing tier 6 to even have a chance of a win. WG; WAKE UP!

[meager hull]

Literally anyone over like 55% will be targeted by some noticeable degree to be pulled down. The goal is 50% winrate then it’s not just 60% and above that are being affected. To even argue it’s just good players being affected shows your clueless of how the change has affected the mm

[torn drift]

You tried to stat shame me and didn't while also claming to be 55-60% account like me. Then I mentioned I have double your battles and you went silent XD

[undone loom]

SBMM makes reugular battle as ranking battle. Then why try to play regular battle since ranking battle offer better rewards. Frankly ranking battle is much enjoyable since you will be rewarded if play well in loss battles.
Another thing is the better you play, the harder game will be. You cannot mess around or play subpar tanks in regular battle if you try to win.

[meager hull]

Because ranked has the same 8 tanks or so being spammed on repeat. Ranked isn’t hard it’s boring. It’s just load up and go ah yes 4 Emil 1, 4 bbq, 2 t77, 2 53tp and 2 smv in the match

[undone loom]

Regular battles are the same now. If you want to win, you have to drive op tanks.

[torn drift]

Try on your other account, as of now you can safely say 70% accounts have an X on their back.

[daring elm]

I didn’t try stat shaming you nor did I even claim I was even above 55%. I simply thought that you had new player queue or something and wasn’t affected by the new matchmaker as much. As for the message I sent which you replied to, I was referring to @slim junco and not you

As for being silent earlier, I got caught up in something and was busy with it

[undone pelican]

this quite literally illustrates the effect of SBMM on better players

I wonder if there are any sub-50% players here willing to share their version of this graph…

[undone loom]

The worst part of SBMM is that some missions are much harder to clear now.

[torn drift]

I already responded to that, 60%ers play more matches per day and play for longer periods of time, unless you play on dry hours but even then at midnight you will find more 60%ers than average andies.

I can see and agree that winrates will get skewed towards the center but I stil l think that good players will win more and deal more damage. Even if lets say the best players drop to 55%, their WR will still be top of the curve. That's why judging the number alone is not a smart idea. You have to compare that number to the population, like WN8 does. Yeah fatness went line 40% wr on the 62A stream but he still dealt +3k avg dmg, he even said on stream that fixating on WR will drive him crazy so he will use dmg as the measurement instead.

In the extreme case WR will stop representing skill, but damage is there to stay.

[chrome bolt]

He stopped caring about wr because the mm would drive him crazy, pull up any of his other streams and you’ll see he cared about wr before sbmm. He decides not to pay attention to wr because he knows sbmm is rigged against him and will give him terrible wr. Also I do not see how a 70%wr player getting 40% wr is okay as long as he gets damage, because his performance entitles him to both. Also, top players now will get less gold from gold boosters because of this, which is annoying as hell. Finally, I believe that you are entitled to your statistics if your skill allows you to get them. I believe that a 60%er who is being put down to 55% artificially is being robbed unfairly.

[spice condor]

Ngl the is4 did not need a speed boost buff, the tank needs a armour buff. Like speed boost is nice and all but the armour lacks so much on it

[meager hull]

So that begs the question why waste time,money and man power, permanently damage your relationship with the player base just for good players to still be on top. Even if it’s 55% being the new 70% ultimately they’ve not succeeded in scripting matches and have only hurt themselves

[chrome bolt]

Idk it’s nice to have a super fast heavy with relatively good survability compared to the rest of the Meta. We haven’t had those kind of tanks go past 45 until the strv K ( which doesn’t really count cuz it’s like a med with heavy hp) or is7 when it used to go 50km/h or e5 when it had speed boost and reactive. The is4 now fills a forgotten role amongst heavies and its cool to have it back. The 260 was the closest thing we had to this but it just didn’t cook enough. Edit: forgot about old 113 who used to go 50 as well

[torn drift]

If you have memory you can see that I mentioned 70%ers having an X on their back XD

Being entitled to a number is silly, being good will net you stats higher than the average. Current stats represent random battles performance. They are not relevant to the new MM, we still have to see those.

If you paid for 60% then geez I can see why that feels bad but again that number is trivial and has to be compared to a plethora of other stats to see what they mean.

[icy grove]

Damage the relationship with the player base.. not like it’s their first time 😂

[spice condor]

Ion know how I feel about the play style tho, cuz you can’t play it like a heavium cuz the tank slows down a decent amount after the boost, you can’t really brawl in it as much since you can’t even get the occasional bounce as the armour sucks, the turret gets penned super easily.

[sacred belfry]

I mean, we wouldn’t need that role filled if WG didn’t murder both the IS-7 and 113 for completely no reason.

[random kiln]

Ratings is completely screwed. In over 200 battles I haven’t gained a single point. Skill based match making ? Don’t make me laugh as I am not being put with anything close to my same skill level and it’s got to a point of a waste of time playing it.

[gilded portal]

Unlike you, some of us have no desire to remain mediocre.

Call it a competitive spirit. Call it being asian. But some people aren't comfortable being another faceless individual in the crowd.

[minor ermine]

we had AMX 50B 🙂 and it goes at 50km/H

[errant minnow]

Tbf the normal matchmaker is dead since the Update yes but not beeing able to get Up in Ratings is Just youre own fault it's rly not hard

[spice condor]

Is7 still pretty good tank, the tungsten is a great upgrade on it, the 113 on the other hand got screwed

[gilded portal]

This is also proven by droodle's "free to play" account, which is curerntly 70+ with kran last time I checked.

[chrome bolt]

Ye but 50B fell out of the meta when it got its fourth shell cuz reload is now trash + it now lost its hull armor too + it has no survivabilty whatsoever so it doesn’t fit the role I am describing. If you wanna see what I mean, go look at 2021 comp with the t110e5 or spring 2022 with the is7s

[errant minnow]

@random kiln This you who called me a d...?
But yea it's surely the ratings system why you dont get any Point up

[chrome bolt]

Which is why it’s cool to have it back, sure the is4 doesn’t go 50 but it has the acceleration and it’s not capped at 45 like most current « fast heavies »

[gilded portal]

Also the new is4 skin is actually broken, because for lower-end devices, you can barely tell if you can pen the armor since the skin is showing even in sniper mode- and it's red.

[torn drift]

Again blud your winrate is not set in stone and I get why it feels lame to suddenly drop it but being fixated to a set number is not smart. The goalpost changed and we are going to see where when the next Blitzanalysis drops.

WG has to add MoE, the lame 50 levels system and ratings are not appreciated by players, if they are going to change WRs then they need to add proper skill recognition systems, those that mutate and need you to stay good to keep them.

I get why WR changes feel trash, they are looooong representations of skill, that's why other games (Like league or overwatch) can change their MM without backlash as their systems/leagues are temporal and volatile. Blitz needs to add something urgently to fill that "distinction" need.

[errant minnow]

Just hide enemys cammos then lmao it's nothing beside crazy ugly and a poor tank ( At least since it was destroyed like that)

[chrome bolt]

Do you mean his acc got rigged mm cuz he spent/ didn’t spend money? I’m not understanding what you mean

[gilded portal]

Hide enemy camo doesn't work on a legendary skin like that one.

@chrome bolt No, it's proof that there's no such thing as "paying for higher wnr". The bad players are just majorly malding.

[daring elm]

Turn off camo in settings lol

[errant minnow]

Well even then lmao is4 upper an lower plate isnt anything anymore
No need to See any to slap them lmao

[chrome bolt]

It is specifically because win rate is not set in stone AND that it tracks win rate (duh) that it is important for it to not be rigged: it is a demonstration of your game sens and skill. The difference between someone who wins 65% of their games and someone who wins 75% is an insane gap, which is why it is important for it to stay this way. If the 65%er becomes 53% and then 75%er becomes 56%, then you can’t tell one is insanely better than the other

[gleaming lotus]

is4 imo is decent again post dpm buff

[torn drift]

When in doubt prammo the upper plate, that thing can only play hulldown

[errant minnow]

Yep xD it's dead af

[torn drift]

Go read what WN8 does and why many use it above WR alone. Also WR can be rigged by seal clubbing and rerolling XD again it is a trivial number if read alone. Any decent clan will judge your entire account to let you in, not just your WR.

[chrome bolt]

Take rammer, high end, hp speedboost to med side, go hulldown against the meds/ ou trade them with ur hp alpha and armor. If you can’t go med side try to comit wide on a flank (make sure it’s safe tho) to win your team hella map control. You really look at the team lists and decide «  where do I wanna gain map control priority » or « can I murder the meds » and you speed boost there

[chrome bolt]

This is why you focus on tier ten win rate as well as platoon rate. Also I’m a dep on ponda and we just want non-idiots who do clan missions lol

[blissful basin]

Hey can anyone help me please, I get this screen on wotb and I am unable to get in the game

[chrome bolt]

Also wn8 is easier to inflate with low tiers ppl suck in than wr is to inflate with broken tanks and toons, not that there are insanely broken tanks at tier ten other than stb, vks and Chinese boxes. Even then they are no smashers or annihilators

[torn drift]

And WR can also be inflated, again thats why you use a lot of statsto gage skill not just one XD theres a lot to take into account.

[spice condor]

Thanks for the advice will take into account next time I play the tank 👍👍

[chrome bolt]

I never once said to only use wr, I said thst wr is a great stat to look at skill thst shouldn’t be messed around with artificially. This includes sbmm

[minor ermine]

bro idc what comp tanks are use 50B is the fastest tank u can't just say STRV K was the first one being fast in the game

[chrome bolt]

Btw if u find urself struggling with the pen cali still cooks on the tank,rammer just helps to dpm out the meds

[spice condor]

I was running cali rn because it was getting harder penning the super heavies, I’ll try and see if rammer does better. I don’t mind spamming heat lol

[chrome bolt]

Yes, but the is4 with super speed boost fills a forgotten role amongst heavies that we haven’t had in a while. The amx 50B, while fast, does not have the survivability to fit the role I am describing. Finally, I am referring to comp as it is the most blatant and easier to understand example of the fast tanking heavy role I am describing here

[chrome bolt]

I mean whole point of cali is to have higher prem pen, since ur better to shoot heat when you have to but have better reload for brawls in general. If you find yourself lacking in the heat pen, then use cali.

[torn drift]

You can't cut through certain tanks without callibrated, specially on meds. E100 comes to mind, the turret is balanced around the E100 running enhanced armor and you not running calli

[chrome bolt]

Ye but e100 has that week lower aria weak spot on the turret, on top of having a lower plate thst you can either heat, or shoot through the tracks when they are over angled.
There are ways around not having high heat pen too, only a fiew select meds will really struggle from poor pen at tier ten

[midnight spindle]

look guys

[wide wave]

I would rather play mods then regular battles at this point. Or just quit the game. It's so frustrating now . I had 10 loses in a row . Wow thanks wg a new record for me 🤦

[pulsar oyster]

Exactly

[torn drift]

Yeah dude, landing a shot on that turret ring and aiming for 3 seconds is better than switching to skill rounds and aiming at a flat box. And not only the E100 is balanced like that, the Type 71 upper plate demands callibrated, the lower plate of the V4 us 345mm, basically balanced around 340mm HEAT running calibrated. WG knows those values and they purposedly balanced them around Callibrated Shells and prammo averages.

[chrome bolt]

Meds don’t got the pen to shoot the upper part anymore

[rustic echo]

Techies have a reputation for a bit of human nature blindness (except their own, or course). Buy/Get a tank always had the myth that it finally may be a winning tank. But since winning now fails as a measure of skill , what is the motivation to buy anything? Just sit back with the tanks you already have and enjoy winning half the time regardless. About as motivating as a nap.

[left gale]

Bruh

[gleaming lotus]

skill issue

[loud brook]

pain

[meager flame]

try not harming ur status too much

stay away from regular battles until this MM vanishes from wotb

FIX IT WG AND BE FAST

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-shia-la-beouf-flame-gif-4445204

[fading heron]

So we can see whats the average you can do

[soft adder]

@wheat elm yo demote this guy rn

[wheat elm]

https://tenor.com/view/order66-will-do-will-be-done-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-22742954

[midnight spindle]

damm

[wheat elm]

Your stats aren’t impressive, I’m glad people like you are finally getting reality checked.

[pseudo crescent]

Whether or not his stats are impressive is irrelevant. What happens to his stats is what is important. This Pafy guy has to be one of the most Down-To-Earth people here. From what we see now, the intended purpose of the matchmaker has failed and WG is currently looking into it. Pafy’s insight is valuable.

[tall quiver]

the new mm is working as intended though, they're looking into the mm because they didn't expect this reaction from the community

[pseudo crescent]

As intended? You mean how they intended to reduce the frequency of turbo battles, yet it’s still commonplace?
How they intended to make a more clear divide between good and bad players in every match, and yet the bad players have been brought directly to the good players?
They definitely intended to give the veterans more of a challenge, and in doing so, have made it nigh impossible for them to win like they used to.

They are looking into it because it failed. Why check things out when they’re working how they’re supposed to?

[tall quiver]

because the community doesn't like it

[pseudo crescent]

And why would they do something like that? Why does the community not like it? Are we just angry for no reason?

[tall quiver]

why does the community not like it? cause it's terrible

[lucid spade]

Because thats how SBMM works, the current MM is working as intended, but the community doesn't like how SBMM works

[pseudo crescent]

I genuinely did not think you’d say that. My apologies, comrade. It is terrible, and I think there is now absolutely clarity in all fronts as to what “rigged” actually looks like and it’s this 10.7 MM. I’ll get to you when my slow mode dies down, Kwachi xd

[tall quiver]

the new mm is by definition rigged which is wild tbh

[zenith kestrel]

This statement is factually incorrect, given I have just demoted you.

[pseudo crescent]

If this is the result of SBMM, then it’s not WarGaming’s intention. They’ve listed what they wanted out of this, and it does not align. The community has every right to be mad at SBMM, and WarGaming should definitely shy away from it in the future.

Their intent was never SBMM if this is what it does.

[lucid spade]

If their intent was never SBMM, then why did they pushed this update? I'm sure, its pretty clear for them that this MM change is SBMM, they probably just don't know how it will affect the game because they don't even played the game themselves

[pseudo crescent]

Exactly. They didn’t know how it would affect the game. They kept hearing time and time again from dissatisfied but inexperienced players that the matchmaker was unfair, for years. They talked, ran tests in places we all know did not yield accurate results, then with those inaccurate results, decided to go through with it.

I’ve already accepted that this massive video game company made a mistake, adhering to all the people complaining and changing a system that was never broken. To me, that’s all it is, and now they know better.

[lucid spade]

Well I just hope this won't take years until WG change this crappy MM they add, just like how they take 2 years just to removed the missile in tier X

[pseudo crescent]

Me too, man. Me too..

I’ve been told that it may not even be next update or next two updates here as well. I just hope that it is as soon as possible cus it’s genuinely unsustainable. Until further notice, I’m on break. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid panther]

gonna say this her the match matching is way worse than it was before the update , so many 41% to 46% players in battles with 50% plus players is worse now , it is absolutely horrid

[rigid panther]

no it is not working , way too many 41% players in battles , i was in battles that on my team i was only 50% player and every one else was 46% and under with 2 41% players, this is worse than befoer update

[pseudo crescent]

Don’t worry, Doc. It’s been discussed and we feel your pain.

[rigid panther]

its crazy bad lol

[finite flare]

as a 62% with over 16k of battle,i left this game before update,saw the news and thought new mm is good,and looks promising,until i played 7 battle and notice my team is just getting destroyed to fast for me to do anything.that when i notice my team always had lower winrate then enemy team.guess new mm dont really work as it was promised

[tall quiver]

so it's working as intended, I'm pretty sure the intention of the new mm is to ruin the experience for anyone that is above 49%wr

[rigid panther]

glad they are looking into it , because its just a massacre most times , if it doesnt get fixed i just might leave because it is def not fun to be massacred in first 2 -3 mins because most of your team is clueless

[wheat elm]

What happens to his stats is important? His stats are getting worse because he is finally being forced to play against players at his skill level and unsurprisingly they are being deflated. The intended purpose was to match players against other players of similar skill and the side effect is his inflated wr is no longer being inflated, so he must cry in wg server about his lack of skill. @chrome bolt

[pseudo crescent]

He is not just being forced to play against people closer to his skill level. He, and I, also have the gift of worse teammates after this update. This is in no way considered fair, and that is where his frustration is coming from. What makes you feel it is even necessary to say he’s “crying” as if this place isn’t meant for you to voice your opinions about the latest changes?

Do you know what it takes to be lead in Ponda? An everyday player cannot do that.

[wheat elm]

Yeah I know what it takes to lead Ponda because I'm a deputy and he's not 😹

[pseudo crescent]

Congrats. In fact, keep going. But don’t dismiss this as if WG themselves aren’t questioning if they’ve made a good decision. This new MatchMaker change has killed every good player’s chances of remaining on top for reasons that are just not fair.

[chrome bolt]

He’s trolling you btw he doesn’t actually care

[pseudo crescent]

Are you two friends or something?

[wheat elm]

Also I'm a dep on ponda
Why are you posting factually incorrect information?

[chrome bolt]

Ive known him for over 2 years lol he just likes to troll me to get reactions

[pseudo crescent]

Brh.

[tribal nexus]

xd

[torn drift]

I thought sweaty platoons had to play against sweaty platoons, guess I was wrong. One of your "60%ers" did 0 dmg though, kinda weird.

[alpine blade]

60% but haw many battles have ?

[placid isle]

Everyone has bad days homie. I got 61% wr, and there are still the occasional battles where I totally muck up and end up dying with less than 500 damage in tier 10. It’s rare that I do zero, but it’s not impossible.

On the flip side, you do have to remember that some people just stat pad and only play the odd random occasionally, with the rest of their WR being from modes that don’t negatively impact their stats but still count to battles fought

[urban harbor]

Just foud this easter egg, idk if someone already found it (I guess yes)

[full arch]

Yeah there was even a community pole of what to put in there, I don't remember who drew it though

[urban harbor]

I yeah I remember this but I doesn't know it was for this place x)

[full arch]

BTW any new events going on or can I still be afk

[urban harbor]

I think you can still be afk lol

[warm dome]

The Elefant-event should start in the next few days

[full arch]

Lol good because blitz isn't worth playing lately xD ,my only excuse for playing is trying to get all the tanks..but ..the no fun ones are left now soo it's pain

[loud brook]

tmr i think-
15th March till 25th March

[warm dome]

Got all tech-tree T10s already, I'm sitting on about 1 million free xp now 😂 The only reason I play from time to time is ratings, don't like the new MM at all atm

[full arch]

I'm doing horri and batchat atm , I have left mostly mediums and lights..and probably any new tanks that came out after 2024.. so like the new hesh tank or smth..honestly haven't seen in it battle yet or haven't noticed it at least

[warm dome]

If you mean the BZ75, you aren't missing out on much. The small gun is more competetive imo, but makes the tank boring to play. The big gun makes you a bit helpless against any armored tanks.

[static roost]

Today is the elefant tank event i think

[loud brook]

tmr,it’s the 14th today
starts from 15th till 25th

[full arch]

So basically the same deal with most tanks wg tends to put out as of late.
"Relatively" balanced but not fun to play...

God I miss pre 5.5

[static roost]

Oh alr

[clear agate]

excessive lag in game, it's very frustrating

[static roost]

Mine is lagging too idk what happened

[junior imp]

I love your new mm

[loud brook]

my god

[junior imp]

I just lost patience after waiting 1 hour for game

[stiff ember]

How unprofessional can WG be, what a joke statement. My stats are dead for the last week as I uninstalled the game. Whatever he wants to Monitor in a Production Environment should have been done in a Test Environment. WG full of unprofessional clowns.

No common sense these people. Ruining their once great game.

[junior imp]

I only wanted to do mission in chinese vehicle

[static roost]

Same as the free battlepass mission that wasn't gifted to everyone

[torn drift]

No thanks I don't want launch T100LT/Type 71s rolling around. It is great that their last Snowglobe tank was not like the other ones before it, we don't need another Strv K situation.

[gusty plover]

Bro, just exit the queue and enter queue in higher tier vehicle.
Why wait 1 hour????

[junior imp]

First of all i dont have anything in chinese tree, secoundly i just wanted to see if finally will find a match

[gusty plover]

Sometimes mistakes happen in mm so you aren't recognized or something. Just restart the queue after 1 or 2 minutes and check if the same control mode is enabled.

It has nothing to do with new MM. I saw some complaints like this in old mm as well

[tribal nexus]

._.

[gusty plover]

Good game 🙂 ggs

[fervent lance]

But you need to wait for a comprehensive analysis of the stats, really WG? More like the weatherman saying the sky is blue while there is a storm outside.

[dull mural]

That’s the irony, the fairest MM is random, any attempt to tinker with team composition makes it inherently “unfair”.
Ranking mode is the correct way (heavily flawed but still) to do skill based MM, why mess around with the random battles
But logic is a forgotten art these days

[tribal nexus]

Jaja with the nerfed is4 leading to the new machtmaking

[junior imp]

Actually it isnt my problem that im not recognised, wg should repair this problem. Same control mode is disabled. And yes new MM is trash because overall stars doesnt matter, why this cant choose players using 30d wn8 and wn8 in that exacly day when someone play if there was enough battles. Also i often have to wait so long in queue on low tiers, tiers lower than 6 are unplayabe, 6 is sometimes ok but sometimes not ok

[gusty plover]

Why u don't play on ru servers bro?

[junior imp]

Wait what are u talking about there arent ru servers, im not russian and im playing on eu

[tribal nexus]

xd

[fervent lance]

Money talks, and bulls### walks. When players stop spending then WG will listen.

[gusty plover]

Oh u have Russian flag in pfp so I thought you are Russian 😄 on ru server you can play with old mm. That's why I mentioned it and I thought you are Russian 😄

[junior imp]

Bruh im Polish guy ind that pfp is to show how stupid are communists (Cat is definitely not animal which is very smart) if we talk about that

Also i have it bc i like cats lol

[austere relic]

Your understanding of cats is like your understanding of communism 😂

[junior imp]

So you want to say that taking everything from people saying you will get free stuff and then no giving anything to them back so they start starving and dying is what you want to have in place where you live?

[meager hull]

Ah yes communism that ideology that never worked in reality

[junior imp]

100% true. Never worked

[south seal]

Thats not the russian flag.

[midnight spindle]

i hope doomsday comes soon

[junior imp]

Ye its ussr but its hard to explain to communists fans that its not the same

[dull mural]

sooo, to bring the discussion back on topic, the new SBMM is a lot like communism, no matter how hard you try (or not try at all) you always end up with nothing 🤪

[meager hull]

lol pretty much. Forcing every to have a 50% winrate no matter the cost

[fervent lance]

MM is like a communist model where "what's yours is mine." So everybody got level around 50%.

[gusty plover]

Bro it was a Russian flag!
Ofc it's not the current national flag. What are u thinking???

[junior imp]

Oh yeah? Ussr is NOT russia bc it was "Union" between russia and its neigbour countries

[gusty plover]

Bro, the Russia from today was under this flag in the past and hence it was Russian flag. Russia dominated the USSR. It was only Union on paper

[brisk star]

They are completely two different entities

[junior imp]

Bruh i will show u example: this flag is usa flag not texas flag (lets say texas intercepted all usa states before)

[rain olive]

@gusty plover @junior imp @brisk star this has nothing to do with the channel

Go make a group chat or something

[junior imp]

Nice you are here mod, pls tell me why this happened?

[gusty plover]

Bruh, peeps should learn better at history lessons and with this I leave it 🤣

[junior imp]

@rain olive pls respond to this as well

[rain olive]

Huh

There you go I responded

Keep in mind I don't work for WG

[junior imp]

Ok i love your "community helpers"

[rain olive]

Did you submit a ticket?

If you didn't then there isn't anything I can do to aid you in the first place

You have to help yourself before I can help you

If the ticket has been sitting for a while I can let the staff know so it can be addressed but if you haven't done your part I can't do mine.

[junior imp]

Where can i submit a ticket?

[willow rivet]

The screenshot shows a tier 4 tank in queue for an hour. Blame 5.5 .Split queues, means veterans don't get into low tier games easily. But waiting 60 min is kind of crazy. Wait 5 and get out. Sometimes the queue can hang.
Tickets can be done via the wotb website for your region, log on, then support

[rain olive]

There are instructions in the pins in #general-blitz-discussion they follow almost all the same steps and have images as well, but you'll want to select the issue specific to your own request, and you'll need to fill out the form where they ask for additional information.

Also be sure to select the link for the server you play on

[shadow viper]

Exactly

[junior imp]

Ok, so ticket to support, thanks

[junior imp]

Ok i just wanted to know that tickets arent send from dc, now i know everything, i dont blame u, thats all

[crude valve]

10 is enough????? or what?

[still wharf]

hi

[midnight spindle]

I fail to see how this tank could be worth the pain? I wouldn't even buy it for 0.99.

[slim steeple]

Indeed, it is a ferdinand with very little modifications

[midnight spindle]

I personally don't want a single rewards from that event, But i would spend for that enemy tank they were showing

[blissful basin]

Hello, can somebody help me out, I can’t log into my game anymore and I don’t know if I am banned. Also I don’t know if I am banned, why I would be banned.

[midnight spindle]

Try to check on play store if your game needs to be updated

[urban harbor]

lol

[blissful basin]

That is what I see when connecting in the game and I am the the last version of the game. It is like this for nearly 2 days now.

[willow rivet]

If you were banned, it would say so, typically.

Are you on steam?

[blissful basin]

No I am not on steam, to be honest with you I don’t really know what steam is haha. I play on my IPhone 12 pro and downloaded the game and also upgraded it on my App Store.

[south seal]

Fr, communist fans are incredibly weird.

[full arch]

T-T really..wg another...gambling event?..is there the only way to get the tank through crates?..which I assume ftp dudes have 3 chances at best

[warm dome]

The event is f2p, you can either get the tank directly or buy crates to gamble for it / the camo. Only thing you need to do to earn the tank is earn mastery badges (3rd class-Ace, all count for a different ammount of points towards the event.

[warm dome]

Those are items you can earn in the event for completing stages and not directly earned through badges. You will need more than 10 Ace-badges and far more 1st-3rd classes to get the tank. (the lower the mastery, the less points you get)
(Correction: exactly 9 ace badges, the values of other badges are in a different message further down)

[full arch]

How much do you need to get it directly, because it doesn't make sense for them to have it solo if they have it in crates.
Knowing wg it's probably not fully ftp.

We will find out tomorrow though

[granite pawn]

The Elefant has the same problem as Jgpze100

[granite pawn]

The problem is that you can penetrate this plate easily from the front

[granite pawn]

I don't think that the event is going to be easy.

[arctic bison]

It is

[warm dome]

"Two detonators are in the previous stages, and to get the elephant you need to get 8 detonators from the last stage (10 in total)
So 1+3+10+5+7+10+7+5+7+9*8 = 127

If you like gambling (As wargaming intended), it would cost 20 detonators to get the elephant guaranteed, so 18 from the last stage (bold)
1+3+10+5+7+10+7+5+7+9*18 = 217

Now, if you wanted elephant quickly, it would take:
9 Aces (Each ace is 11.8% progress) OR
19 Class 1s (5.5%)
43 Class 2s (2.4%)
127 Class 3s (0.8%)"
Detonators -> currency for buying the Elefant or it's crates
Droodles news
So the event if fully f2p with one option of getting the tank directly and another to gamble for it and get some more stuff.

[thick fractal]

This is a box to get Elefant tank

[stiff ember]

I wonder why he has deleted his post. Has he finally realized how ridiculous hist statement was? 🤔

[crude valve]

But my question was if 10 of this "dyamites" are enough to get a tank

[warm dome]

@crude valve

[gray portal]

at which section can you create a ticket to suspend the premium account, because of mm I don't want to play anymore and I don't want it to be consumed

[warm dome]

I don't think there is an option to do so.

[loud brook]

happened to me last night and this afternoon
Steam just refuses to load me into my account,even uninstalled and reinstalled,same thing.
i had to go for Microsoft version of WoTB and i logged in without any trouble

[full arch]

@warm dome thanks dude👍

[granite pawn]

You need 20 Elefant amulets and not 20 detonators, to get the Elefant tank from the crates guaranteed.

[warm dome]

You need 20 detonators to buy 20 crates (20 charms) to get the tank guaranteed if you want to gamble for it.

[granite pawn]

I thought the crates would be for real money and the event hard/long grind for mastery badges

[loud brook]

so
23 aces if i wanna sell the tank twice… (wallahi.)

[warm dome]

You can grind everything, there will probably be an option to pay at the end if you haven't completet it, but that's not confirmed

[loud brook]

i wonder though,what if people make reroll accounts and farm aces at tier 6… cuz bot mm
oh dear.
unless they can’t access the event until they got a certain tank tier

[warm dome]

You'll probably be able to get it directly for once, the only chance to get it again is through the crates

[loud brook]

yep
combined the (127 + 217) and divided by the amount of event currency u get per aces,15
about 23 aces

[granite pawn]

Ok

[warm dome]

The 217 is for the entire event and 20 crates though, so 127+ 20×9/15 ie. 21 badges if you only get aces. The whole event+Tank (direct purchase) is 127, the last stage costs 9 units to complete and you need to complete it 20 times to be guaranteed at least 2 tanks.

[loud brook]

oof miscalculation happened
thx for the correction

[warm dome]

No problem

[worn hollow]

lil question
how to get a community contributor?
For so far I know you have to be a youtuber and popular but still don't understand how to gain that level
btw I am a YouTuber (Dark WotBlitz Gamer)

[loud brook]

now say,if i were to get the tank directly
and 2 more times via opening 40 containers,how many aces do i need? 🥲

[warm dome]

You should check the requirements and contact a moderator

[warm dome]

127+40×9/15 -> about 33, but I don't know if you can buy unlimited numbers of crates.

[loud brook]

33 aces
10 days,so min 4 aces a day
hopefully u can buy inf crates lol

[worn hollow]

i get around 5 aces a day last 3 days

[warm dome]

We'll know tomorrow for sure =)
And if you have a rare tank, it's very easy to complete it quiet quickly.

[lavish minnow]

Hello fellow tankers

[loud brook]

good luck to everyone

[worn hollow]

like the valentine AT,
i got one of the best stats and got now 16 aces, if you play smt like 4 hours per day in the same rare tank then its easy to to

[warm dome]

The problem is that the event only counts aces on T4-10 tanks. T1-3 are excluded. If you have rare tanks in T5 or 4 they might be worth trying.

[worn hollow]

oh yeah then use something like the somua s35 if you like it

[warm dome]

I've got one or two tanks that aren't hard to ace right now. The S35 is T3 as well btw >_<

#game-status-upd message
That's about the only reason.

[lunar trail]

when is wg bringing back old mm? this is too painful

[quartz hill]

In the game update channel, ppl claim that the new mm is already active. It feels like the teams have gotten worse even more!!!

I wait for an improvement for years and now I even suffer more.

[willow rivet]

If you have a 100 subs, I can verify and give the youtuber role

Just direct message me.

[gleaming lotus]

@willow rivet how about 91 subs but 11k views on my video 😎

[willow rivet]

9 more subs to go 🤞 Soon

[midnight spindle]

they said its okay cuz your stats too op for new mm, your winrate will slowly drop to 60%

[lost basin]

So let me get this straight, my platoon mate and me are the only two on the team with a wr above 50% (55% and 54%) the other team has one person below 50%, a 61%, a 59%, and a 57%. How does this mm work lol?

[upper cedar]

devs too much lags on EU server please see
i asked in the server and many are saying its not just me
hard to play like this when my tank is responding to controls after 5 seconds

[pulsar oyster]

Im also lagging

[upper cedar]

on EU its impossible to play right now
the easy shots are missing such is the high lags

[fast holly]

the mm is horrible and the server lags now are terrible
jst another day in Blitz

[static roost]

[carmine helm]

Yet another day of losses as the debacle of a MM experiment carries on. WG doing a good impersonation of a baby, fat, dumb and happy.

[celest lichen]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees 😄

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-happy-jumping-gif-26555219

[crimson mauve]

I have sent you a PM.. 🙂

[remote fog]

This MM is awful

[willow rivet]

Please set a plain text readable and taggable nickname for this server ( no scripts, symbols, ... )

[fast holly]

you could have asked me to change it before changing it on ur own ?
should hv given me time

[willow rivet]

I did no such thing 🤷🏼‍♂️

Maybe another mod saw you in another channel ...

[fast holly]

as in whoever changed it
like gv me time if i dont change my username then change it, i did not like it one bit when i was not asked before..
was not funny and seemed like the person who changed it was having a bad day so wt to do lets change someone's username or bother someone

[willow rivet]

I don't know what happened. I tend to ask people first and give them time, in fact I may forget it, if the user does not reply and chat moves forward, until I were to see it again 🙂

[fast holly]

thats hw it should be bt u would knw from the server's audit loig as to who changed it
if the mods have such perms that is
also the person who changed my username without asking me first should focus on othert things
sorry just did not like it whoever did it
bt ur good acrisis

[willow rivet]

Let me know if you need further help 🙂

[fast holly]

will do and someone was posting links here bt got auto deleted right now

[willow rivet]

I will check ( dyno should auto delete them )

[upper cedar]

idk from where u are but its hell on EU server getting either good players who are afk or players with less than 1k battles with less than %0 % winrate who jst yolo and die
like what rubbish is this ?
and they said they fixed the MM

[upper cedar]

btw can u tell us if the event starting from tomorrow for the Elefant collector TD ?
will be free or pay to get like the ground tank where ppl had to buy a separate pass apart from the prem pass ?
hope its free to grind as tis hard to buy two separate pass each month (prem + events)

[hidden rover]

A very double edged sword
-I can easily dominate games and it’s SO fun getting thousands of damage,aces and clutching games feels so satisfying
-Team of low 40%ers is so stupid they can’t handle the most basic of ideas and strategy

[upper cedar]

are u serious ly clutching games or being sarcastic ?

[hidden rover]

I’ve actually had so many clutched games in the recent matchmaker where it’s just me and several low HP enemies
Plus few where I easily could’ve but admittedly lost

[willow rivet]

I don't have specific insights or get special news from WG about these things.
I heard from one of the CC who posted news that it can be grinded, no payment required ... 🤞

[upper cedar]

ah so they were low tier idk how to clutch matches when teams are this bad bt the MM is extra trash, why cant wg fix the MM !!!
**the state of EU server **

[hidden rover]

But I will say it’s SO fun when it’s basically you and one other person vs the entire enemy team and you guys are such a good duo that you win it’s like a last stand it’s so fun

[upper cedar]

fun huh ?
the previous one i did 5.8k here see another battle i did 4.2k and still lost because MM is so special

[hidden rover]

I can’t save replays on switch but I had this game I remember where 5 of my teammates all died in the first minute and quite literally the entire game was me and another tank and we somehow played so insanely that we won wait I have the result screenshot tho

Well fun when you actually pull it off and win,otherwise it’s just extremely infuriating

[willow rivet]

We always have had battles like that, I don't think the new MM rules changed anything for the better.

[upper cedar]

see another 5.8k match
plz mod listen and read full, please feel our pain and listen we had bad players before bt after Ru server swap it went to hell and now this new MM is like putting fuel on fire

[hidden rover]

They were all tier 7 tbf

[willow rivet]

The mods hear the complaints, we have our own experiences too ... and we can only relay what we hear, see, experience.
Now it is going to take some time for WG to dig into the data sets and figure out whether this all is working as intended, an actual positive, or what.

[upper cedar]

that will be okay so thank you and there was so many skilled players on EU and playing on Eu was so much fun before
games are meant to be fun bt now its before a pain if this continues then WG will lose its player base the little skilled players it has tbh
if i can do 5.8k or 4k why cant the rest of the team atleast support and not yolo and die

[hidden rover]

Pros-I do all the damage (fun+aces)
Cons-teammates do absolutely nothing

I was the Tornvagn the 130 was my teammate

[upper cedar]

bro how much did u get the SU 130pm for and when ?
i want that tank so keeping an eye and looking for when it comes out again hence asking u
nvm
i want the Su 130pm 😩
that tank has goat camo and performs so well

[carmine helm]

Yeah, I’m on EU server like you.

[upper cedar]

are u playing nw ?
if so then are u lagging ?
i stopped playing cz right now everyone is lagging a lot for reasons unknown plus goated MM !

[carmine helm]

Earlier I played a game in the Skorpion G, one of the most accurate guns in the game, missed 6 shots in a row. Lag was chronic.

[upper cedar]

@willow rivet mod need ur help, please relay this to wg that now EU server is facing severe lags ☝️
not me alone
please fix it

[warm dome]

Even if the new MM is getting on your nerves, keep the discussion constructive.
The Ranked-mm wasn't touched this update, the chanes only happened to normal battles.

[primal acorn]

WG don"t do this next time , or give us enough coins or not give us anything but not like this !!!!!!!! ( all 80 coins will go now in dust ) 😡

[hidden rover]

Average draw moment

[earnest plover]

Slt y'a til des français qui cherchent un clan ?

[urban geode]

rofxfor_45177 was banned.

[willow rivet]

Feedback needs to be constructive ( insults are never acceptable )

[boreal bear]

it was always like this with awards from watching streams... on average you will never have enough coins to have the best reward.
Nothing new there

[hidden rover]

I feel like if you watch every single one and don’t miss even a bit of it you should be able to get the final reward that’s like two hours every day for like 4 or 5 days or however long it was

[low cedar]

MM seems fine xD

[pulsar oyster]

Are support in holiday or what i havent been replied for 4 -3 days what’s wrong?

[feral vessel]

All i wanna k ow is, can u obtain the vehicle as f2p???

[spark crow]

absolutely yes.

[tiny crater]

Wargaming still working on the matchmaker another bait

[feral vessel]

Damn what, wg actually releases an event thats f2p?

[spark crow]

you need master badges tho
which require playing ransoms
(or ratings, but since I'm at 5.3k even win isn't as easy)

[feral vessel]

How long does the event last?

[spark crow]

10 whole days

[feral vessel]

2x 1st class each day seem absolutely manageable for most players

[young path]

It is doable...

[spark crow]

btw if you actually put more effort and open 20 boxes from the event you can get enough charms for the tank again and another 3750 gold

[midnight spindle]

Yup i was on 5.2 and i was trying to simulat the situation of tommorow and lost much

[feral vessel]

I havent looked at the event at all, only know about the price tank, gonna take a look at it soon

[spark crow]

for me I think I'll have to play random once again, UGH this gonna be fun with the new mm, what a comeback..

[midnight spindle]

Uw yeah

[gusty plover]

AE Phase 1 tankers be like:
What event? Oh, free Elephant to claim. nice

[vague spoke]

So can we get this fixed please been going for exactly 24 hrs now

[amber yew]

Maybe 6h finised its easy

[midnight spindle]

LOL

In (Bad Situation) My are ever Good.

[spark crow]

about 30 battles a day should be easy

[amber yew]

100 battle day

[spark crow]

that's because I've 4/10 masters/battles in total
and doing math I need 300 battles to get enough badges, in the worst case scenario which is getting only s

also 300 battles in 10 days ain't crazy, I was averaging 1k battles a month at some point

the thing that makes me think, is should I play the tanks I want to improve my stats or the ones that are just easy master like the silencer and 50tp prot.

[gusty plover]

Assuming you win everyone of these battles with 3rd class that is. I think 30 battles per day is a lot amd especially if you get loss streak etc it can get even more...

[spark crow]

still pretty much doable
for some it's just harder than others, so I feel that this event awards the better players (apart from the new mm which will see now it'll affect everything)

[hidden rover]

With an easy ace tank you could get it without it being that bad (ones with low ace bars where even just a meh game is still class 2) my go to easy ace will probably be XM66F

[west zinc]

I thought they used to straight up give us the container. Why do they put the container in a draw now??

It's just unnecessary gambling, previously you only need to gamble for the crates content. Now you need to gamble for the crate itself which if you get the crate then you also have to gamble for the content.

It's just gambling for the crate so you can gamble for the rewards. It's just dumb.

[violet tiger]

wg knows how to make games

[daring elm]

They should just make a gacha game at this rate lol

[spark crow]

tbh I'm tempted to just use silencer, but do I really wanna hurt my avg tier/dmg that bad

[west zinc]

They already did, with the amount of draw and lootboxes. It's almost criminal how many micro transactions there are in this game.

[loud island]

I ask everyone who doesn't like the new balancer to write one message in each chat about how disgusting it is. We need to raise a wave of unrealistic hate. We need to save what we liked, what we spent time on. Every message is important

[daring elm]

Tank girls in banners would net them a lot of money in SEA rather than the crates in game lol

[west zinc]

The tank girl avatars and background already net them loads of money.

[low cedar]

seems fine to me

[daring elm]

Cute tank girl stickers, commander voice, anime girl camos, etc in crates and you’ll see stonks, lowkey gonna pay 20k gold just to have Kal’tsit VA as my commander voice ngl

[west zinc]

Never forget that WG removes the ability for players to get free Premium Account Certificates from doing missions.

[violet tiger]

Blitz is 💀

[gusty plover]

Ye that was a big rip. I loved those

[west zinc]

Ngl the modding community really helps me weebifying the heck out of the game lmao.

[daring elm]

I would happily spend a lot of money for GuP skins in game lmao though I may have to hold on that due to sbmm

[west zinc]

They don't need to remove Free Premium Account Certificates but they did anyway. They're trying to squeeze as much as possible from the playerbase even if it means hurting F2P players xD

[west zinc]

Fr, I was gonna come back to the game then they hit me with the SBMM. Guess I'll leave again till they fix things lmao.

[violet tiger]

I love my 20wrs team

[icy grove]

I don’t understand how this sbmm works.. I had bad experiences this patch not because I have to face equally skilled players, but because the team is too diabolical, both teams made equally amount of stupid decisions, one got caught then proceeded to steamroll

[loud island]

what's your nickname ?

[low cedar]

Arag0n365

[west zinc]

Pretty much yeah, if one team makes a mistake it's really hard to turn the tide back. It's just a steamroll fest to see which team makes the mistake first.

[loud island]

you are a weak player so you have better luck with teams

[icy grove]

Idk which server you on but in eu, I feel like I’m playing with a complete different group of players all of a sudden, I don’t even know how’s that possible

[low cedar]

I doubt it's better teams. I'm getting teams with barely anyone above 50% wr

[west zinc]

Or you could just vote on the poll in #game-status-upd and give your opinion/experience in this channel.

Spamming every channel whining about SBMM is just inefficient and annoying

[west zinc]

I'm on Asia. My experience is the teams are rigged to be bad while the enemy is rigged to be filled with good players (This is happening to players with high Winrate).

If you have low winrate then SBMM is great for you because you no longer have to fight great players. Your average match will be filled with people that has the same low winrate as you.

[icy grove]

Yes I have similar experience, but that’s also the problem, some of these “high wr” players (actually a lot) they are not actually that good, when they face the same wr but truly good players, then the game is skewed, then it’s steamroll, then no one on both sides can do enough damage to fill their ego, then no one is happy

[barren wigeon]

Well as my reply was deleted earlier for referring to the player base less than politely, I’ll rephrase it. The current MM is broken, as it clearly isn’t taking the data that WG says it is. It appears to be extrapolating data from low battle count players who have inflated stats from the new player/bot queue. Which results in massive steamrolls when those players end up on teams together against players who actually have non bot queue stats.

[midnight spindle]

every player has the same chance of winning = 50% because he's not as good as super unis so he can't change the outcome of the matches as much as we can. the MM is screwing everyone above 50% to help anyone below

[strong garden]

does new mm also apply for players <5000 battles
I feel like I get worse teammates against better players as super unicum

[gusty plover]

no

[hidden rover]

Dang I’m never gonna be able to get this above 50% :/
Gotta win 140 times (more assuming I’m obviously not going to win every game) just to get that 0.5 up to above 50%

[alpine blade]

nevar give crab for WR i am 8 years veteran whit90+ k battles in game .but for 1st time i see teams whit so strange behavior in game TDs play heavy meds go to front line heavy spots no one now the map no one care for control the map 60% shoot and not hit anyting ,for example last my battle my teamate whit progetto 65 ,3 times reload magazine and 3 times hit the imagined enemy LOL

[hidden rover]

I shouldn’t care about win rate since I only play for fun but dang at least 50 would be nice instead of constantly being in between 49.5-49.9

[midnight spindle]

no and re-rolling is cringe to begin with, you basically get fake stats to then pretend your better than others when ur not...so yeah

[alpine blade]

yeeh its a pure luck have many players hy play only mad games to save WR but in real battle is not so good al so player whit 52%wr whit 5 k batles is not equal to player whit 52% WR whit 25k battles that is the problem whit calculation for new MM

[urban geode]

koahefficient was banned.

[willow rivet]

If you have feedback, express it properly. Do not insult, etc.

[barren wigeon]

Interestingly I started logging battle data again after this new MM update. There are a slew of new players in the upper tiers — way more than usual. So far the data suggests that WG’s algorithm isn’t working as suggested. As there have been a bunch of battles with 4 SU/U’s on one side, one on another, and some super low battle count players on one side - so it’s like it’s trying to extrapolate data from the new player queue and failing hard. Honestly it’s just making a mess for everyone as games are becoming a crap shoot, and I am at least seeing lots more steamrolls (going either way) beyond what I’ve ever seen since the game came out.

[barren wigeon]

It’s definitely not using WR as a metric (or at least the sole metric). I can’t find rhythm or reason to it currently - I have about 87 battles logged so far and adding more - but so far I can’t see anything aligned- not battle count, not WR, not avg dmg, not SR, not spots, nothing at all jumps out as any sort of balancing criteria that I can sort (I know it’s not enough battles yet - but so far so much is out of alignment, that the older random method gave better balance over a period of games so far (*in the past I’ve logged 14 different 500 battle data sets, so I’ll log 500 here and see how it all shakes out). Previously the major difference was adding my stats to the battle’s skewed results to my team over the 500 games, but with me removed the teams where usually fairly even for WR and Avg Dmg within a couple fractions of a percent). Which supports that @midnight spindle etc point out that the better you are the more you can influence battles especially over the long run. Also why ‘less efficient’ players drag their teams down over the long term.

[dense mango]

Wut is this wargameing

[gray portal]

Why rng is so toxic !?

[alpine blade]

are you serious ? you try to find MM algoritam ? its not only statistic mate .its also prophet politics more new player in wot blitz more profet for wargaming its simple .
no one can blame wargaming for that.

[alpine blade]

mates spot new test tier 8 Soviet heavy tank K-2 any info about him ?

[hidden rover]

Heh it looks like IS-3 but with no pike

[alpine blade]

yeeh it look like is-3 , test player stood bihind i grind new line my teamats do desigion in battle i dont undastend, agein and we lose LOL. i couldnt get close enough whit my wz-113 to see armor profile ore haw big damage made this new soviet

[proven girder]

Most of skilled players just want tank-based mm, not skill-based mm simply
Sbmm is just sufficient for rating battle

[distant musk]

Do you mean that most of skilled players are afraid of other skilled players?

[tall quiver]

nah they're afraid of your 40% e100 camping in the back of the map

[loud brook]

too OP TD,we need WG to nerf it soon🙏

[distant musk]

chances are there is no "your" e100 to even speak about one

[tall quiver]

what are you even saying

[distant musk]

about "your" e100 which doesn't exist

[tall quiver]

yeah you're not making any sense rn cause you are the redlining e100

[distant musk]

I'm redlining the part which makes your sentense meaningless

[tall quiver]

you don't know what redlining means in the context of blitz

[proven girder]

Why u think like that? Skilled player just want similar pick condition of both team, not framing up player gap in match

[distant musk]

Are you the second one to believe that skill is not a condition?

[proven girder]

At least thats a condition not to consider in regular mm.
If u wanna refute this, show ur stat first plz

[distant musk]

That figures actually. Must be the reason why people are recommending Tiger II to noobs. From noobs to noobs. Tiger II is a great tank to be offered to someone (as a meatshield)

[proven girder]

@distant musk If u wanna persuade someone about this topic, u have to qualificate something about urself first. No one trust 40ers opinions about game system. They even dont know how mechanism works, and how to make strategy in random case. I dont know whether u r unicum or not based on ur introduction, but looking at ur speaking, I think u r just a latter.

[distant musk]

1. If

[tall quiver]

yeah that's why people always recommend the tiger 2 to you

[distant musk]

Did they identify themselves as people to you?

[proven girder]

Answer? Its simple just show ur career stat from in-game or from blitzstars

[tall quiver]

ur still not making any sense

[distant musk]

tell me about calvinism, oh the one that writes meaningless something

[proven girder]

@tall quiver just ignore. He will never show his stat, and this implicits he is just a 40er or near

[tall quiver]

he's 39% at most

[distant musk]

lucky guesses, you are correct. in a way. Does God love you, calvinism?

[proven girder]

Yes, of course. Just turning on blitz and capturing stat then posting here is too hard for him than typing all of those sophistries

[distant musk]

Do I owe you something?

[proven girder]

No responsibility here, but u lose trust cuz of spamming anonimity.

[proven girder]

Keep doing like that. Nice 40er's wet blanket anyway

[distant musk]

I use a towel, for example.

[proven girder]

U did harder thing than capturing ur stat, then y cant do much easier one? Interesting, like something crappy one behind

[distant musk]

Identify yourself

[proven girder]

Never trying to find info about introduction. Nice

[distant musk]

Event incoming in around six hours, I'm on Mars conversating with unidentified something, presumably biorobots, which luckily almost guessed my age. The one that came to me seems to refuse to self-identify.

Fafnir is a sexy Mech with dual Heavy Gauss. Wide ears, like an elepfant in a way

[proven girder]

Ignorance issue. Only selfish talking, then dont have to communicate anymore. I dont debate with uneducated one

[distant musk]

"Don't"

Juda, Buda, CUDA. Karl Marx Stradt

[proven girder]

Yes of course we have to make way for a madman and a bull

[distant musk]

Lucky guess again. Taurus. Keep serving like that, lucky guesser. There will be no payment.

Now, how will someone rate Elepfant? Any guesses? Any experience? Any Education?

[proven girder]

Good answer. A very one single click makes this channel cleaner.

[distant musk]

Discipline starts with cleaning. Go ahead, lucky guesser.

How does an elepfant smell? Is the cage strong?

[south seal]

<@&481447501690568709>

^racist remarks as well as making highly inappropriate “jokes” about gasing people

You are cringe

[little bane]

🤓

[south seal]

Ofc a TOEH member is not bothered by serious racism

[loud brook]

20 crates only
so u can only get Elefant and it again from 20 charms

[urban geode]

.classicmac has been warned.

[warm dome]

Ah okay

[loud brook]

7500 golds tho
awoo

[thorny thorn]

Fv215b183, good name😂😂

[urban geode]

endl8ss has been warned.

[midnight spindle]

so, what i said, not hammer... I was innocent

[astral forum]

when FV starburst?

[strong garden]

why so toxic

[loud brook]

it’s true tho..

[gusty plover]

Bro only stating fax

[small tendon]

Truth=toxic

[dim ice]

привет

[loud brook]

some people can’t endure the cold harsh truth,it’s never always rainbow & sunshine

[gusty plover]

привет брат

[gloomy nexus]

Ummm, what about my tank?

[high lily]

New fantasy tank

[crisp lantern]

When progetto draw ????

[ionic pike]

nobody knows

[warm dome]

I think there is one comming up in the next months/weeks

[crisp lantern]

I need it now

[warm dome]

That won't make it happen any faster

[crisp lantern]

Dont do that, don't destroy my hope

[midnight spindle]

the new perfect tank lol

[loud brook]

@warm dome im doneee

[midnight spindle]

You'll play the tank 36 games then will get bored of it

[random grove]

[loud brook]

mmm..mayhaps?
but the 3.4k dpm is truly something
(and it looks so chonky and cute)

[daring elm]

The Jagdtiger 88 has 3.5k dpm with a very strong super structure for hull-down and seems to have better mobility too

[stiff skiff]

You are a relly damm god player

[sharp fern]

💀 NO WAY

[barren wigeon]

It appears the new MM is totally using the NPQ. As this guys best tanks are tier 7’s as he has a number of 2k plus damage tanks in tier 6/7 but the wheels sort of fall off beyond that. He averages more damage in tier 7 than 8, 9 or X. I cry for this game.

[loud brook]

i’m just quick enough i guess,before people start spamming tanks and raising the ace bar difficulties

[alpine blade]

do we have offer for elefant legendary camo like mouse harvester in future ? coze i open 20 box but no luck

[sonic sundial]

What tank did you use

[loud brook]

3 tanks
T28 Prot
Kanonenjagdpanzer
Elefant itself

[coral owl]

Where can I report my account being hacked?

[warm dome]

Ggs, I played 2 battles untill now 😂 How much base XP do you roughly need for the T28 P?

[loud brook]

i didn’t ace it once today tbh,but around 1.2k base
then i just farmed creds with Kanonen 3k dmg(?) somehow was an Ace so i just spammed it until Elefant.
Elefant itself is also..3k dmg = ace lol (i seldom check base exp,i just notice dmg & kill)

[warm dome]

Ok, I'll try to play a bit of T4 (The tank I have get's a 2nd class with about 500 dmg and a kill)
And if I get bored, I still have a Turtle, M48RPZ and some other stuff

[loud brook]

May your Ls be few and ur be many!

[warm dome]

Thank you >_<

[austere relic]

So the camo for the Elefant is only available in crates? I can't seem to get it via in game offers.

[alpine blade]

yes i hope they give offer i open 20 box but not luck

[granite pawn]

Can I play tier 2 and 3 tanks for the event?

[cobalt dew]

any tanks that are ez to mastery or ace?

[alpine blade]

AE Phase 1 is the best not many players have it 😉

[granite pawn]

Imagine not having this tank in wotblitz

[warm dome]

T4+

[granite pawn]

Unfortunately:,(

[midnight spindle]

Any info on when new mm will be removed?

[willow rivet]

Do not expect rapid change within days or a couple weeks. Data gathering and analysis will take time.

[midnight spindle]

Oh, when we all be 55ers. Thanks for the info 👍

[proven dust]

Inadvertently the new matchmaking changes are punishing certain players. The WG response is that you want to make the gameplay better for all players. The problem is that players come to the game with different ideas of what better is for them. There is obviously a currently frustrated skilled player base who play for the challenge this game can at times brilliantly present. To lump these players together with for fun players or players too new alienates both sides. Fun modes especially how much more frequently available they are provides a game mode that satisfies the game play style of these “stats don’t matter” players. Ratings work in a sense because even when you lose the player’s contribution affects the rating gain or loss (though I think 2 greens should be available to the losing team. My problem with ratings is that while it is understood why it’s time available is limited it doesn’t fit all player’s game playing times. The main point of this is to suggest some way of limiting access to regular game mode. Certainly WG can identify stats such as average damage, survival time, travel distance, etc or even to utilize a stat like WN8 or WN7 or similar and to use a rolling 10 day average that excludes below averaging players from this game mode and then to balance teams using these same parameters. Seems so simple, perhaps I’m missing something. But the voice of frustration I’m hearing everywhere. Help us!!

[stiff skiff]

They said it will last 2 monts min for colecting data

[loud brook]

waahh??

[sweet needle]

2 months break from the game, that's lovely

[midnight spindle]

Thanks for the info, gonna take 2 months off the pubs.

[small tendon]

[sweet needle]

[alpine blade]

instead collect data for statistics why not back old MM? i bet when tey put improvement in MM going to be biger crab

[hazy stratus]

I just went to ask some people, and they said it's fake news. Is there any channel to know the truth or falsehood

[alpine blade]

i think is fake mate too many tier 8. in the morning i play vs test tier 8 Soviet heavy k-2 come and new Japan TD i forgot the name naw we have elefant soo too many tier 8

[hazy stratus]

The name of the New Japan TD is: Type 5 Tank Fighter Vehicle

[alpine blade]

yehh tnks i play 1 batle vs this TD bifore update and i am not impress my tipe 57 make it into wood chips tipe 5 not have armor its ambusg TD but its my opinion afcorce

i am more curious for Chinese 114SP2 when come to store ore to darw any info ? realy wont to test him self propelled gun

[stiff skiff]

Isin't that a tank from black friday for buynig gold in store only?

[alpine blade]

yess but in black friday event is 300 euro no tnks😉 i am waiting normal prize

[thick fractal]

This tank on may be on shop

[stiff skiff]

It will probaby be july the fastest in store normaly it take 1 year to be in normal shop

[alpine blade]

tnks very much mate

[upbeat wind]

the gold express

[atomic marten]

I hope wargaming takes people not playing standard into their statistics when they reevaluate this mm system I know a lot of people just aren’t playing regular because of the change

[cunning tundra]

by not playing you are not in the statistic so it would appear everything is better

[midnight spindle]

When are you going to remove the junk work from the pairing huh developers

[limber knoll]

I want survey about the last update

[upper cedar]

why is EU server lagging again ? <@&481447501690568709>
every day its the same thing around this time
the lags are chronic

[tight wadi]

Sometimes the mission of 3 consecutive wins comes. It is assumed that with this bad update, the mission of 3 consecutive losses is better. We will finish it quickly haha

[cyan tundra]

we won’t know anymore than you mate, we are just players like you

[upper cedar]

can u atleast pass on this complaint to WG ?
its the same everyday
wg needs to fix its servers specially with this horrible MM

[south seal]

Open a ticket, the mods here cant do anything about it

[rustic lintel]

You’re actually the first person to complain about the mm

[upper cedar]

WG has not replied to my ticket and its been 3 days if u want i can show u a screenshot !

[rustic lintel]

They are notorious for their less than prompt response time

[south seal]

Fr, havent seen anyone do that so far

[limber knoll]

Im the second

[rustic lintel]

Nope. Only one allowed

[upper cedar]

ty im honored and keep scrolling up ul see sarcasm against the MM!
someone said abt 3 consecutive losses
also hi Ver been long time, hope u and ur family is doing well ❤️

[rustic lintel]

I don’t see any other complaints

[full arch]

Lol it can and will take up to 2 weeks , longest ticket I had had taken me 29 days

[south seal]

There is no sarcasm here

[rustic lintel]

Definitely not

[upper cedar]

skill issue

[south seal]

Just focus on improving instead of insulting devs for the new mm (which is quite literally perfect), bucko

[rustic lintel]

The pure irony.

[upper cedar]

yes tried did 4k 3.3k 5.8k and still lost because team cant last 5 mins
i can show screenshots of match results
now every night its lagging so much that easy shots are missing

[midnight spindle]

fix this trash matchmaker its cancerous and theres only r##ards in it

[alpine blade]

perfect ???? yeeeh probably in madhouse

[midnight spindle]

The matchmaker is so garbage dude.
Its literally unplayable, theres only idiots camping in their super heavies and yoloing, the average teammate cant even last for 1 minutes bro.
Plus the enemy gets +50% teammates, while i only get 30% morons

[alpine blade]

yeeh i repeat my self TDs go spot heavy in ambush position far behind meds go to front line no one care for control the map 60% of teamets dont now the map 50% shots are miss for me this is perfect if you play in madhouse LOL

[upper cedar]

hello again we did chat yesterday

i stopped playing again like 15 mins ago
reason lags are on chronic level again on Eu server same as yesterday !
anyone lagging too on EU right now ?

[alpine blade]

evning mate.nope for me is ok

[upper cedar]

my clanmate is from Norway he was lagging a lot too
was tooning with him

[alpine blade]

google play ore Steam ?Steam sumtimes have problems whit WG servers i dont now why

[upper cedar]

i play on Steam / PC

my clanmate with whom i was in toons plays from Microsoft store and he too said it was lagging

[alpine blade]

yeeh me to in STEAM inthe moment and not have problems

[upper cedar]

lucky you bro
i asked here last night if ppl were lagging besides me and this was the reply

#news-discussion message

[alpine blade]

yeeh its strange

[upper cedar]

and i bought prem pass and today another subscription for 500 in my currency
wasting so much money on this game bt dont get fun anymore in this game #no skillbased MM

[alpine blade]

i feel you mate for that reason i stop waste real money for wotblitz thill things go to normal

[atomic marten]

Changes to a mobile game is not serious enough to wish cancer on people I think the change is idiotic as well but that’s too far

[topaz grotto]

yo relax

[alpine blade]

i dont now haw old are you mate but my mom died from cancer 2 weeks ago you are wish is childnesses wach you are ton please

[upper cedar]

no i wont invest anymore
today i invested 500 of my currency and thats the last
WG can get money from the people they are trying to bring up to 50% from 30% winrate

i feel ur pain bt best not to wish bad for others as they dont listen to us
hope they listen bt if not we can move on
plenty of other games out there

[alpine blade]

stop insulting people have normal ton to complaint ok MM is crab but if you dont wont to play no one force you

[quartz pebble]

this new mm is pure bs, i get more afks and random 30% player than i did before, whoever complaint about the old mm has clearly skill issue

[south seal]

💀💀💀💀

[upper cedar]

yes i know bt still i wont insult or wish bad for them

main issue with WG is they do what they want, they dont ask us what do we wan when this game even though free to play is still dependent on IN GAME PURCHASES
so their company earns from us bt we dont get what we want

did we want them to merge uprising with gravity ? no bt they did it anyway

we want more big boss and uprising bt they gv us only mad games and realistic which no one asked

[alpine blade]

in methar of fact we asked to do it many complayns for old MM for low WR players ok i am done whit this chat have good evening evryone

i am idi0t? and what is ign ?

what do you mean whit ign ?

are you satisfied ?

[urban geode]

kermiks was banned.

[willow rivet]

Frustration when things don't go your way, or you feel things have changed for the worst, ... is understandable.
But insulting others, using offensive language and wishing deadly diseases onto people, etc is completely unacceptable.

[carmine helm]

Not sure if serious 🧐 this place is so far down the rabbit hole it’s impossible to tell anymore

[midnight spindle]

PUT A LEAGUE-LIKE PUNISHMENT ON AFKS

[gusty plover]

That would be Ratings good Sir 🙂

[midnight spindle]

THE WISH I HAVE is to curse these developers but it won't solve anything because they are incompetent, 1% WR is very hard to get now to lose is very easy after this update my MM dropped 1%

[terse pivot]

they're annoying but that's not a good idea in a mobile game where they could legitimately have failed to load in or gotten disconnected

[spark crow]

that's easier than I thought
I'll probably get the tank both ways

[hidden rover]

Is there a way to get the camo if we don’t get it in the 20 boxes

[sand trellis]

MM!
You really need to rectify this. It is useless!

[thin dove]

literally cannot progress in the event as I've been having bad teams for 15 games in a row now, why do they insist on "collecting data"? Everyone obviously hates it. Good players have no control over their games anymore, I'm honestly just about done and will be quitting as soon as I finish the pass, I have no fun playing anymore

[ocean aurora]

nopegineer tanks so earlier only you won now need trash talk about MM

it gives new light on MM topic how "good" are MM haters hahahah

[thin dove]

What are you even trying to say? and what is that graph?

[hidden rover]

Yooo you have M2 Medium and Vickers III? Dang I want those tanks so bad

[ocean aurora]

this graph is tanks stats on your account

[thin dove]

I don't even have these tanks XD, my in game name is cracraboudin

[midnight spindle]

<@&481447501690568709>

[thin dove]

My account is this one, so now you can take back what you said

[ocean aurora]

this account looks good, need find another MMtrashtalker with bad account ^^

[hidden rover]

I’m having a pretty fun time with it
But I’ve mentioned before how it’s like a double edged sword
Put in games with people worse than me I do way better ofc,but at the same time it’s extremely infuriating when I do like 4.5K damage and my team does literally nothing and 2nd place is 1.5K

[fathom dune]

What is considered bad account

[ocean aurora]

cos now ppls think only good players not like MM, i need 1x bad who not like too

[fathom dune]

If 56% is bad you can me to the bunch

[rustic lintel]

48% is a statistically average account

[fathom dune]

I see

[cloud fern]

Its already under 50??

[autumn lichen]

It has been for years

The majority of the playerbase has always been used to losing more than winning

And that says a lot

[cloud fern]

oh jesus christ

[gusty plover]

It's also because draws count as losses

[celest lichen]

hi : D

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-meme-spin-tank-gif-25517353

[rustic echo]

Sure are a ton of players on NA. Wonder how many good players in total compared to less than 50% and not-a-reroll scammers? Maybe it's a small percentage of paying customers.

[spark crow]

ngl this Elephant event is good, from my pov at least
it makes everyone actually try and for who doesn't care and throw the game you just don't deserve free tank
it's also good because it ain't wins based where players just do two shots and yolo trying to speedrun

[static fossil]

I've already got the tank. And I'm glad there's an incentive to grind those crates. A little bit of gold and the chance to get the premium camo.

Heck, if you're stupid lucky you might make a small fortune since wargaming didn't make the compensation credits.

[upper cedar]

same here bro i will get the tank as well bt thing is i have to put in lot of extra effort to carry matches now courtesy of MM on EU couple with AFK players

[spark crow]

that's why I play ratings, gained 150 points today set at 5400 atm
good luck with regular 💀

that's a low ace bar

[upper cedar]

bro an ace is an ace
later did 4.5k in this tank bt didnt get ace so maybe lot of ppl play in it so bar went high

[spark crow]

someone showed how easy to ace 50tp prot (later on turn out he play in APAC)

meanwhile me in EU

[upper cedar]

lmao still u did good shows u have skill
either way its 4 am at my place so goodnight
wish we both get the tank fast ❤️

[spark crow]

good night

[old root]

So the problem I’m having with matchmaking is the same that I have been having before. Which is players with less than 500 battles in Tier 8, 9, 10. Which really hurts everyone’s Win Ratio, It’s really unfair that I am put with new players in high tier battles. There should be something in place to stop new players who have no experience from being in high tier battles.

[lyric thorn]

How many battles have you got?

[old root]

11,521 battles

[lyric thorn]

All regular?

[old root]

Out of that 11 thousand, is 11,502 regular battles

[hazy stratus]

When the event first came out, I needed to top up around $139

[wide cosmos]

Thanks for the matchmaking Wargaming, keep up your public tests

If you were to actually play your own game, outside closed and open tests, you would feel your audience

[chrome bolt]

hello. remember before when people would get mad because sometimes you would get into games where you cannot clutch up because your team is so much worse thant he enemies that they die faster than you can equalize? Well now I have this in most of my games.

[wide cosmos]

Same story, I willsomehow clutch this Elefant event and come back to this dumpster called "regular battles" once they are done with collecting data

At this point Rating battles ARE EASIER to play than regulars

[chrome bolt]

my only motivation to play pubs now are to get the 3750 gold compensationg for getting the elephant twice. It is almost impossible to get aces tho. I used to be able to roll in a chinese light for easy aces, now it is impossible because the tank is not good enough to carry. I cannot play lesser tanks anymore, which i hate. Gamemodes are now my only option

[remote summit]

The new MM: the greatest fiasco of the on line game history. Congratulation WOTB. Good reason for veterans and good-excellent players (also $ spenders) to leave

[wide cosmos]

play ratings, and quit the game after event is over
that is THE ONLY solution to keep your Sanity

[alpine blade]

congrats mate enjoy the tank

[brisk radish]

Alguém aí pra jogar torneio ???

[brave lily]

The battles seem to last less than 3 mins. They 100% lied about the battles lasting longer.

[rustic echo]

I think the core problem is motivation. What will replace the motivation of the majority of players striving for a good win rate? Heck, all the income generating rerolls now have zero motivation to play. Maybe French tanks will become popular again since winning is irrelevant.

[shell lark]

WG PLS FIX THE MM ITS SO DUMBBBB

[loud brook]

🇫🇷 🏳️
we love retreating

[rustic echo]

Baguettes and Chocolate Eclairs! Snails not so much.

[midnight spindle]

thank u wg for FIXING THE MM

[prime gulch]

Wonderful mm with farming mastery event, good sh it

Now I enjoy being in tier 4 more, only place where there's qualified matches

[covert quartz]

Tier 4 and “qualified” should not be in the same sentence

[prime gulch]

Now yes, where I can have 3 6x wr on each side

[red geyser]

Real

[midnight spindle]

whats your winrate , for carrier and also how man battles u got?

[covert quartz]

0.02% over 400 is wild

[south seal]

💀💀

[cerulean bridge]

About SBMM in normal mode:

SBMM should be removed because it prompts account trading and increases the P2W in game, and eventually cringe the whole community and kill the game.

I think the worst of this new MM is to promote account trading. 60% Whales can buy plenty 5k+ battle 40%er accounts and just to fk up ppl playing their main accounts. Before people starts to exploit the game, please remove it for every player's sake.

Another bad thing about the new MM is to indirectly make the game P2W. Ppl have to try hard to win. In the old MM we could play our favorite tank to win and enjoy regardless of their strength (to 55%er+ for most cases). But with this new MM, players have to pick a better tank so they can win more. This might lead to worst scenario that we lose the variety of tanks in battle. This will cause:

1. all players use or buy stronger tanks. WG can't sell more tanks because there are just only a handful meta tanks.
2. WG buffs all premium vehicles so people could buy them again, and the game will become P2W.
   I spent over $5k for this game over 8 years. WG literally put a knife on its neck introducing SBMM. They forgot who purchase premiums and ruined their matches. Then WG will have to buff the premium tanks to keep those players pay. This will be a loophole of death to wotb and its community.

What WG really should do isn't to look at statistics and figure out how to fix their mistakes. WG should send out questionnaires to players and listen to their feedback. Making the community happy is the ultimate goal, and a balanced MM is just part of it that can achieve that. Feel free to ban me or delete the messages. it's just unbelievable to me how incapable WG staff is making these wrong decisions over the years.

It's about everyone within the community soon or after. Without the whales paying, there's not much content for F2P players. That's how it works. Whales pay for everyone to play.

[wooden raft]

That's true I lose a lot of my wr from 68.82 to 68.72 all battles lose and I don't play anymore regular battles still wg fix the MM . I play mod game to make clan missions. I hope they will fix it how fast they can

[proven girder]

New sbmm ofc has a little benefit to players who have stat near average for now. But much later, all players finally must get disadvantages only cuz all skilled players and 40ers would be gone
Actually this worst mm strongly affects edge player pool first

WG doing their best now. Plz try applying this masterpiece to WoT PC. I wanna look at their impressive reactions about this lol

[limber knoll]

The best thing about this game is to not play this since 4 months i have a better life

[stray jewel]

Any news about the upcoming GuP event?

[urban geode]

fatt_basturd was banned.

[thorn fog]

WG roll back the sbmm, how long are u gonna wait to do it? when almost all unicum player is either not playing or straight up moving to other games. at this rate, theres not gonna be much left of the playerbase

i cannot believe it got approved through the test server, this is why you need to populate the test server more.

[alpine blade]

waaat girls und panzers are back ???

[midnight spindle]

wowwhat happened

[remote fog]

Yea pubs are no longer playable unless you want to loose being a higher stat player since the new MM I don’t even wanna play really anymore and haven’t

[sand trellis]

This is it.. Matchmaking is not working. It is a total failure!
This feature should have been tested prior to launch. This is an utter failure from the coders/designer team and the project should have understood the need for testning prior to launch.

[young path]

This SBMM.. if I've been understood it right it should pick the opposing team based on "my skills".
I just drove to a battle with a team in which had one 56% wr and then there was me 47% and all others were under that (expect one with 39%)
The opposing team had one 49% and everyone else had +50% and Battles played were quite even on both sides.

The end result was that I was the only one who managed to inflict damage over 2k. And of course there was two players whit zero damage done. One was a bit over 1k. And other few below 1k. What's remarkable our team didn't drop a single enemy and we were rolled over without a chance..

If the MM is skill based I wonder whether it was my "superior skills" on which that MM was relying or what the actual @€#& happened..?

All and all I really feel bad for that one with wr 56% in our team...

[fervent lance]

You spend $5,000 on pixels tanks, whoa 😱

[south seal]

Jealousy speaking

[carmine helm]

Exactly. How long does it take WG to realise that this is a monumental disaster. All yesterday and today it continues, steam roller losses endlessly on loop. It’s absolutely ridiculous that WG cannot see this and reverse the change. It’s on an ongoing disaster.

[lyric thorn]

They said it's going to be at least 2 updates until they gather all the data.

[thick glacier]

An (almost) 59% player here with 70k battles and monthly unicum stats. Im not playing the game anymore. Thx wg for totally ruining the game with the new mm! How to let a game die 101

[carmine helm]

😂 they’re absolutely useless
And what that actually means is they’re going to ignore the player base and wait and see how many players leave before they decide if it’s worth putting back to the way it was.
I’ve never known a company to be as ignorant of its customer base as WG. They’re in a class of their own in that regard.

[thick glacier]

Maybe they just dont care because they want more noobs to think their good at the game because of this new mm so they going to spend money on the game (my thoughts anyway)

[carmine helm]

You’re probably right. I’ve always thought all the PR they put out is garbage, it’s just about the bottom line. And if newbs spend more and are happy to sit in mediocrity then 🤷🏻‍♂️ all we can do is vote with our feet.

[rustic lintel]

The best part is that even if they went back to the old system, you’d still have people complaining about the mm

[thick glacier]

The old mm wasnt great either ur right. Ive complained about that as well . But if u realise that this new mm is even worse then dont release it and keep on testing to what does improve it

[rustic lintel]

Wg is in a lose lose situation. I don’t blame them for taking their time to gather data considering the alternative is reverting the change and still being criticized for it

[thick glacier]

All they had to do is remove absolute horrid and afk players from my mm and make the tank types somewhat equal on both teams

[rustic lintel]

AFK players still spend money. So off of that, you won’t get bans. Not to mention it’s a mobile game. People are turning off their devices mid way through games because they’re done going to the bathroom, getting off the bus, lunch break is over etc. It’s not a pc or console game where you are forced to sit down and really dedicate time to it

I don’t agree with the direction wg went. But that’s also the problem. The playerbase is so strongly opposed to any movement in any direction that someone will always be mad. You go to #tank-balance-discussion and you see “remove the 183”, “buff 183” and “nerf 183”. Which do they listen to? Any? Probably not. They do try to use their own data and analysis to create changes but it doesn’t always work

[carmine helm]

@rustic lintel even you have to admit that there hasn’t been this much vitriol towards WG since, probably 5.5 or the rockets 🤷🏻‍♂️

[rustic lintel]

Not for a large scale issue, no

[tall quiver]

the data they're collecting is loss/gain in profit and loss/gain in player count

[rustic lintel]

^ playerbase in a nut shell

Seriously. You look around and see the feedback and of course it’s overwhelmingly negative but the rude nature of it, how does that inspire anyone at wg to try to do better for you?

[thick glacier]

Im not saying remove/ban afk and solely camping players from the game… im just saying that when there are enough people in the mm just dont put those players in regular mm. Its ruining game experience for normal players. Nobody asked for this new mm system where wr and stats have to be equal or smthing on both teams

[rustic lintel]

Not true at all. Thousands of people here have asked for sbmm. They got what they asked for

I think the easiest thing for afk players is to do what rocket league and others do. Add a 5 minute timer where they can’t hit battle. If they do it again, it goes up to 10 minutes. And repeat

[thick glacier]

Its wg task to test that and see if it works as intended. If not then dont release it smh

[rustic lintel]

This is what I’m saying. When wg listens to one group, they upset another. There is no conceivable move they can make that makes everyone happy. Like they literally have free events that you don’t even have to pay attention to and get stuff for just by playing and people still complain

[tall quiver]

you guys aren't seeing the obvious solution here
don't play until the new mm is gone

[rustic lintel]

What if it works as intended?

[rustic lintel]

Cool. Enjoy the boycott.

[thick glacier]

We will see..

[tall quiver]

not sure where you got the idea of boycotting

[rustic lintel]

Not playing = boycotting

[thick glacier]

Verstappen is a moderator and tied to wg dont expect a critical note out of his mouth😉

[rustic lintel]

The people saying they’re done spending money = boycotting

[rustic lintel]

I love this as I also openly criticize them

[stiff ember]

WG learned nothing from their past mistakes. They are too dumb to rollback to old Matchmaker.

[rustic lintel]

All I’ve said here is how hard of a position they’re in, in part due to the community

[tall quiver]

or maybe it's just "game no fun i no play"

[rustic lintel]

It’s all the same. If you quit, it’s effectively a permanent boycott lol

[rustic lintel]

Please continue this

[thick glacier]

No srry mate ive got better things to do

[rustic lintel]

Nice agenda then

“Mods are lap dogs”
gives you a chance to actually discuss it
“No thanks”

[tall quiver]

it's not the same but i can't be bothered to argue, at the end of the day it's better to just quit the game if you don't like sbmm rather than complaining about it for the 1836th time in the same channel 🤷‍♂️

[rustic lintel]

Ironically the same as the guy above you

“I care enough to argue but only somewhat. Now I’ve got better things to do”

The reality is that you two are here because you care. You’re passionate. You like this game. Those are good things

Wg sadly, doesn’t move super quickly when it comes to massive change corrections

We all have to endure this for a bit before anything else comes out. If it’s better/easier to not play through this time, that’s ok

You have to do what you need for you. Wg is a billion dollar company, they’ll be fine lol

[tall quiver]

can we talk about the elefant cause it's a pretty interesting tank

[rustic lintel]

And I don’t say it as a “players are worthless” but as a wg can whether the storm

[rustic echo]

Sometimes tech companies are held hostage by the coders who the management knows are barely holding on with too few good staff in a complex environment. Their lack of discipline and time available are revealed in the bugs that accompany each update. Regardless, these missteps are the responsibility of management. When was the last time you witnessed management admitting they made a mistake? ha.

[thick glacier]

Ofc i care dude. Its just a bit tiring to see u say hey theve released this trash mm update its not their fault since they cant please everyone and lets give them 6 months to analyse and revert back to old mm. I mean come on 😂😂

[rustic lintel]

I’ve always had the opinion that the people that do all of the hands on stuff to wotb are actually capable and good for the most part. The issue is corporate

[tall quiver]

apparently it has been in the game files for a very long time

[rustic lintel]

Im in a different place perhaps. For 6 years I see “fix mm” or “mm is trash”

I’m guessing there’s tens of thousands of mm complaints since this server started

Again, wg made a mistake. I wish they would revert to the old system now and try to develop a different system in the background

The thing is that history shows up with spare parts and rockets, that they’ll try to work through it because they’ve already put the initial time in. They don’t want to waste it completely

Actually. Perhaps the best thing is to revert pubs to the old mm and keep sbmm for ratings for a week or two and see how that goes

[fervent lance]

No just amazed

[thick glacier]

Dont shame people just because they spend money on this game

It did not🤡

[sweet needle]

Wait about 2 months the least

[fervent lance]

I don’t, I just said I am amazed

[outer tendon]

Anyone here who think, that the game is dead bc of the new mm?

[grizzled relic]

People who doesn't has no clue

[limber knoll]

Dead? No
Worst? Completly

[outer tendon]

I do…just tell me how its possible to 13 battles of 15?? I usually have a winrate of 65 to 70%…still doing same average damage, but wr kicks in

I played 83k battles Overall and since yesterday my wr dropped from 66.08 to 66.06, makes a lot of fun to play battles

[thick glacier]

Yes it is most skilled players stopped playing i hear

[thick glacier]

You spend $5,000 on pixels tanks, whoa 😱<<<< this is shaming my friend

[lyric thorn]

Take it easy

[carmine helm]

That maybe true, but what we got isn’t actually SBMM, it’s actually ‘averaging win rate MM’, which is totally different. If we had SBMM which meant there were teams with two 60+%, three 50+% and two 40+^ within reasonable differential of each other (so no 39% and below-they go on a total separate queue because they need to learn or be excluded from regular MM) then I think WG would achieve closer to their stated goal of more competitive and longer lasting games.
I’ve never had so many one sided steam rolls as I’ve had in the last week and a bit. I could literally post you pages and pages of screen shots (from all tiers) of battles where my team has 4 or 5 players with (substantially) less than 1000 damage and two of us who’ve actually tried and scored 1000 +. That’s what’s wrong with this ‘SBMM’ and it shouldn’t take two months to work it out.
What I’d like to see is balanced tanks in each team, not this one tier 9 med up against two tier 10s type MM. (sorry for the long post).

[rustic lintel]

I disagree. True sbmm what put people in games based on say 30d wr. 60s play 60s, 50s with 50s etc. It’s not balancing 2 60s per team, 3 50s each and 2 40s

[cedar forge]

Kran is easy to get a mastery badge in

[rustic lintel]

The thing that people don’t get is that it can be based on super recent performance only. Do 5k? Cool. Your next game is with every sweat on the server? You do not great there and get put with bad players again. It’s a constant yo-yo effect and it doesn’t incentivize trying at all

[carmine helm]

Ok, that’d work. Be better than what we have now.

[rustic lintel]

If you play bad three games in a row and do 0 intentionally, you’re next game would be basically against tutorial level players

Then you do 8k and fight top 4 clans only

The overwhelming feedback is that it’s horrific and kills games. Call of duty is a perfect example of this and there’s tons of rants on YouTube about it

[carmine helm]

I’d just like them for the time being to say ‘sorry, we got it wrong, we’re going to revisit it and in the meantime go back to what we had 10 days ago’.

[rustic lintel]

It’s not though. When you’re a 60% player and you play against everyone else at 60%, you all instantly become 50% players

Because one 60 beating another is roughly a 50/50 chance

Same with a 40 vs 40

[rustic lintel]

I wish they would do this but historically they don’t always admit faults

I think acknowledgement would go a long way with some, but not all

[carmine helm]

Agreed 👍

[pearl moat]

only if you dont get yolo rushed by 4 enemy players and your team does nothing then blocking you from driving back

[cedar forge]

Unlucky

[pearl moat]

only like this

my teammates cant aim, dont know where to drive to, are afk, block each other and are toxic in chat.
usually have 65% WR without tryharding at all just playing normally and now i can tryhard as much as i want and still cant even get 50%

[sacred pulsar]

great event with 5k free gold, and tier 8 tank + camo if lucky, unfortunately ruined by this MM

[pearl moat]

exacly

[quartz pebble]

fix the goddamn server pls

[old root]

I understand that completely, that happens a lot to me

[pearl moat]

it ONLY happens to me ALL THE TIME XD
i am on a 19 lose-streak

[hazy mulch]

On the MM: I put my vote for RANDOM MM.
oh I have an idea: they could even use an image of dice, to signal randomness.#! 💀

[rustic echo]

WG must have know they would drive everyone to 50%, but I can't figure what their master plan was. Game needs a clear motivator like winrate or whatever replaces it, but I don't know what that measurement is now and no idea what I should strive for anymore.

[hazy mulch]

Fatness in his 62a stream (in the beginning, before the MM truly hit 💀) said that WR is now of the past, and that it’s somehow fine because avg dmg is the new stat that matters (Unicums already thought that more or less though). Yet avg dmg is said by WG to enter their calc (as are other stats). So once everybody is 50%, he’s still gonna be punished for having high other stats such as avg dmg…
So the only stat that might still matter, in the absolute, would be whatever one which does not enter their sbmm algorithm of doom.
Awesome job WG

I love the guy, and love watching him play. My guess is his position is not easy, as he’s been pretty close to WG lately. Visiting etc. Also he tends to not rage and to try and see the positive in things.
By the end of the stream tho he did look a bit disappointed lol.

[thick glacier]

Yeah i get that. Must be an awkward position to be in

[rustic lintel]

Wr hasn’t mattered to clans in years

Plenty other stats to show if someone can play

[hazy mulch]

That do not enter the SBMM algorithm?
I.e. that you’re not punished for having too high?

[rustic lintel]

My point is that wr is for show

Clans care about damage, survival, damage ratio etc

Aka wr is meaningless

[hazy mulch]

Sure. But if those other stats enter the sbmm algorithm, then they’re the same as WR. I.e. they tend to be equalized amongst players. Lose significance. And lose their motivating character.

Honestly if WG is set on killing WR, so be it. But another stat is needed to show player skill, avg dmg, kdr, dmg/tier, whatever. They need that stat to NOT enter the algorithm, and they need to display it front and center in bold characters.

[prime gulch]

Stats don't show anything at all, only way is to look at how they play and adapt to scenario. Account buying and bot farming are too easy these days

[thick glacier]

Clans like bps still care about wr so not entirely true (believe me ive tried)

[rustic lintel]

I mean some might but it’s not the be all end all

They’d accept someone averaging 4k at 58% I bet

[thick glacier]

Still monthly wr matters which is screwed now

[midnight spindle]

Why care about winrate

[rustic lintel]

But it’s in an equal way. Everyone’s is screwed up so it’s a level playing field

[upper cedar]

great teams thanks to the MM coutesy of WG bt still making progress

[lunar trail]

lmao it has like 1k dislikes in #game-status-upd doubt they will do anything until a very long time

[icy birch]

i had pretty fine games today but maybe just lucky

[analog scarab]

I might have a solution that would be easy for WG to implement. Right now, it is obvious that 60+ WR players are getting screwed, and as N90 said, it makes it no fun to play.

If they want sbmm, then they should throw away their calculations, and adopt a tiered player approach. All players over 58% or so are considered the same. Maybe set skill tiers at <45%, 45-50%, 51-54%, 53-57%, and >58%. If they want to add performance stats, that’s fine, but still keep 4-5 tiers of players max.

Now really good players will not be overly penalized. WG balances the battles, but not as stringently.

[hidden rover]

From what I’m seeing I’m usually getting 41-52%ers average I’m at like 49.5 so I’m usually one of the best ones there but my teams are mostly below 47%

Being better than everyone else I’m paired with is fun when you win and you did all the damage and kills
But extremely annoying when you lose and see everybody else did absolutely nothing

[urban geode]

_waniszz has been warned.

[gray portal]

Why did you destroy hori mobility

Why I can't push a death tank

[fading heron]

Thats pathetic

[buoyant warren]

skill issue xdd

[fading heron]

you are the one with skill issue

[midnight spindle]

This new MM is great for the game

[young path]

Not complaining.

[midnight spindle]

why are u hiding the tanks you are playing, like are u in T7.....

[young path]

Ummm. I'm so sorry...

[dull mural]

it's because you selfishly took all the damage, sharing is caring you know... 😄

[young path]

Better?

[rain olive]

[young path]

Well we can't all be god's here ✌️

[hidden rover]

Dang XM66F isn’t as easy to ace as the first day of the event and I’m losing constantly this sucks :/
I’m not gonna be able to get the Elefant and the camo if this keeps up

[urban geode]

_hypertonic has been warned.

jonykrzywejondro has been warned.

jonykrzywejondro was softbanned.

[lunar trail]

agreed

[hidden rover]

The first day of the event was was so fun lmao I was able to complete the main stages in just 2 hours before work,just ace farming in XM66
Now I can’t hardly even win a battle :/

[bronze plume]

it is weekend so yeah

[prime gulch]

Broken my record today, 12 lose streak straight tonight. Haven't had a lose streak for the past 5 months

[young path]

I'm at barely 48 at the moment and just started to play regulars (to get some sense about all the fuzz going on), but I was surprised about the precentage because I've never said I'd be a good player... Quite the opposite if you ask me..

[lunar trail]

then ofc u wont complain lmao

[fading heron]

just dont be a 40%er with 100k battles

[midnight spindle]

I just don't understand how it can be fun to be bad at the game to a point where you need a rigged mm to give you wins. If you want to learn I have 3,000 videos on my channel I don't know what else to say

[hidden rover]

It’s like what can I even do at this point :/
I’m doing my part I’m doing the damage I’m just not getting any of the badges because team never frickn wins
Oh great just looked and two teammates did 0 damage and one did only 500

[buoyant warren]

Sry, I thought tankers were less sensitive to jokes

[prime gulch]

Only the 40% wr can joke at this time, yes I got you 🙄

[young path]

To be honest with you, I haven't played the regulars lately since I'm still trying to get some sense of the game. Ratings at least might give you a team which can win, when regulars are like a lottery. I only have 3,5k battles and just started to realize how f'n hard this is to master, or at least to be somewhat decent player.
I'm betting that everyone who has been playing this have had the same situation as I do and I have nothing more than respect to those who have learned how to actually be GOOD in this...

[lyric thorn]

Don’t worry, as long as you try to do your best everything’s alright. It’s just a game after all.

[hidden rover]

Yea I’m just here to have fun I don’t really care too much when people nitpick my stats like sure whatever “49.5% is bad” apparently but I legitimately feel like I’ve gotten way more skilled at the game over time it’s just with so many total battles that number will not budge so I’m not all too worried about it im just gonna keep doing my thing and having fun
Kinda hard to do that tho when teams seem to be a lot worse :/

[young path]

💪

[ebon tide]

Im that one teammate prolly

[tiny crater]

[midnight spindle]

you only have 3,500 games so your not the main problem with the game rn, I would just suggest so spend ur last 1,500 games in noob MM to learn and focus on getting better (:

[radiant lintel]

New matchmaking is a poop

Fix this trash matchmaking

[buoyant warren]

XD
Just playing on avg dmg and dont care about new mm. Usually use teammates like cannon fodder, coz its often 40% enjoyer of T49, caliban and etc

[stuck kite]

wargaming on the spectrum thinking they fixed mm

[sullen linden]

orrrr maybe your a sht player and get good teammates

[young path]

That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I'm learning from every mistake and every successful battle, and I don't really feel that it isn't enough.
I'm not ashamed of being where I am with my stats and probably never will be. The main goal is to reach the level where I can hold my ground during the battles and have fun..

[stuck kite]

wish that china tank game wouldnt gotten copy righted bc at this point wg needs to sell💀

[warm dome]

You shoul'd probably delete that or at at lest censor the names

[old lion]

I haven’t heard played wotb in like months. It’s just not the same anymore 😭

[cunning tundra]

how do you know its not the same if you havent played

[tight wadi]

Ok bro

[warm dome]

Same for the other picture, naming and shaming won`t get you anywhere here

[restive quiver]

Make the game playable dammit, just played a game in Kpz 70 as 60%er. Teammates were 5 50percenter and 1 40%, our enemies were 3 50%, 2 60% and 2 70%, this game is screwed

[sacred belfry]

Imagine arguing in favor of stronger SBMM when that’s what’s ruining the game right now

[dull mural]

that's the irony, back in the day before WG killed off the forum this was one of the more amusing subjects, folks crying about "fairer" MM and those who understand basic maths trying to explain why it's a bad idea and counterproductive

[restive quiver]

Bro, I’m not arguing anything, wg should just make the game bearable

[sacred belfry]

No, you're arguing in favor of SBMM. Your post implies that you want the teams to be better balanced, which is SBMM

[restive quiver]

I guess so then, and how is skill based ruining wotb?

[bronze plume]

you balance the game by tanks on both sides and not the players in it, everybody knows that (or atleast should know that)

[whole rock]

How come we can't decide when we want to use the x3 and x5 exp boosters cause it ruins the game for me. I get stuck having to play games in tanks I don't want to, so I don't lose them.

[midnight spindle]

How to get this camo

[graceful sail]

😦

[whole rock]

think it was a mission you do to unlock it, maybe battlepass (free or not idk). I have a few but says nothing on how to get

[midnight spindle]

I can't seems to find anything but a name and an event from years ago, And everyone i dmed in game who has it doesn't respond to me and everytime i asks nobody knows anything about it yet 10-20% of my games someone has the camo. It's like everyone has it yet nobody knows anything

[lyric thorn]

Well I don’t exactly remember the last it was up for sale but it might return once in a while

Perhaps in a container as a certificate. If not then you’re out of luck I fear

[dull mural]

isn't it the one they give away every Valentine's day?

[sacred belfry]

https://na.wotblitz.com/en/news/event/pink-your-tank/

[midnight spindle]

As i typed i already know of this event. I'm interested in knowing how to to get it now or how soon.

[sacred belfry]

You might be out of luck then - I don't think I've seen it up for sale in years

[lyric thorn]

Might be, good point.

Gonna delete that

[gray portal]

why did you create ultra mobile medium and light tanks but instead created destroyers and heavy with very low rotational power making them vulnerable it's ridiculous

[tiny crater]

I can't do event matches are bad

😭

[west zinc]

It's as if mediums and light has less armor so they're lighter and more agile smh I can't believe how physics work.

[urban geode]

figueiraboy was muted.

[rustic echo]

That's the wg idea. Grind baby grind to keep tech tree active.

Rough guess 1k players missing from NA on a saturday evening. Perhaps means 10% of players taking a break from wotb. Not an earthquake result based on all the sbmm noise.

[rustic echo]

However based only on steam charts, this year post Dec looks like a disaster loss and it's around Dec that mm started to stink. Same peak players for Dec both years, but the Jan+Feb drop off of players was 24% this year, but only 7% drop off last year. One could conclude an extra 17% player loss. Of course not scientific at all since only steam clients across all servers.