news-discussion

[river sedge]

seems so

[past chasm]

We just watch our Loss

[gusty plover]

Yes, we don't know how to open a stream. Sure🤬
Shut up

[brittle scroll]

let it buffer for a while maybe? i've seen that fix the problem for a couple

[astral forum]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-nothing-we-can-do-gif-15878626962415498830

[wispy glacier]

Maybe they could compensate us with 400 coins instead, there has been so many mistake that wg has made, yet nothing tbh, I still love the game but its kinda not fair ig

[gleaming flax]

Thank you for pinging the devs for this

[brittle scroll]

they have no obligation to do so

[full arch]

Well I sent the ticket just in case...but geez.
I'm just laughing though because if I refresh it doesn't count if I'm active, if I refresh again it works as if I'm active..just for a bit though

[sharp viper]

L

[alpine blade]

i think someone sabotage WG on purpose LOL

[brittle scroll]

screenshot just in case

you may be able to send a ticket afterwards for missing rewards

but no guarantees

[gusty plover]

I told u to shut up and not provoking us

[sharp viper]

And I told you L

[brittle scroll]

how about you two stop bickering

[astral forum]

bro first u were arguing with droodles for no reason and now this

[urban geode]

tworealgangsters was muted.

[gusty plover]

Why do u have to bully others who are in need

[full arch]

Wg really needs to start fixing these issues..it's not making sense for such a large company to make such poor decisions?..are they cutting corners with the developers or smth
Both the game and the page are struggling to do anything for the past 2 years

[astral forum]

@brittle scroll we might need ,longer slowmode again this is going crazy
@wispy glacier randomly people got a quest to deal 100K damage for a free premium pass

[wispy glacier]

What's that free battlepass thing?? @astral forum why didn't everyone get it? Thats actually so unfair.

[brittle scroll]

nah this is manageable so far

[midnight spindle]

2 down lol

[brittle scroll]

i sometimes wonder what people's thought process is when they do this stuff

[midnight spindle]

same , i literally grabbed some popcorn and watched it

[wispy glacier]

What I do it Is I play blitz, mad games with the worse Internet known to man lmao 😂 (I love the game) @brittle scroll wait whats a lag switch? Can you either pm me or something bc this slow mode is annoying for me

[astral forum]

yeah well even after u left he starting saying people who’s stream didn’t work had skill issue

[brittle scroll]

that's called a lag switch, it's all tactical

[stiff junco]

Are you sure about the worst internet lol? I have to block my Xbox so it won't chew up all the bandwidth lmao

[midnight spindle]

usually to get a rise out of me/others, but I'm so used to it that it's entertainment at this point

[brittle scroll]

[astral forum]

it’s funny watching you say one thing then all these guys start complaining about it or something else for literally no reason at all
@gusty plover well luckyil 2 of them were muted for now

[wispy glacier]

I watched like 2 of your videos today, I agree with the stuff you said about the mm, I won most games only because I was in a platoon

[gusty plover]

Sounds like trolling to me

[stiff junco]

New mm is interesting. I had the most unenjoyable toon experience today. 61% but even winning was frustrating it's only 17 games yeah but we decided we'd rather not continue

[astral forum]

i 100% bet that guy is gonna go to ur channel and start commenting some more stuff
he seems like the guy who doesn’t stop smth once he’s started it
@sharp viper is the guy i’m talking about

[wispy glacier]

Who? (Ohhh ok @astral forum)

[alpine blade]

tey fix the stream today ? i have voice but no picture its like radio show from 80s LOL

[midnight spindle]

I can hide peoeple and they are hidden forever lool

[sly apex]

purpcels seething because they can't adjust to a new meta what's new

[wispy glacier]

I'm glad you ignore them, there just jealous that your better than them

[astral forum]

yeah
they probably just a bunch of trolls ngl

[gleaming flax]

One question why did i get the battle pass quest and nobody else did

[midnight spindle]

i did get it to

[brittle scroll]

a bunch of people got it, but not everyone

and that's normal

the people that missed out will probably get something else at a later date

quests are personalised

[stiff junco]

@midnight spindle When's the first play 2 loose with the new mm?

[midnight spindle]

LOOL probs 2 games

[gleaming flax]

Droodles did you get it to the battle pass quest did you check you're free to play account

[astral forum]

even if he used the most OP tank it wouldn’t last long
Lucky if it’s even one win considering the MM

[midnight spindle]

bruh .

[brittle scroll]

already banned him

discord is lagging

[lost basin]

Gracias

[stiff junco]

C'mon it might be even 3 games with something reeeeally balanced like a vk90 or wz113 gft

[astral forum]

enemy platoon of op tier 10s and ur platoon of 183s:

[wispy glacier]

To who??

[gleaming flax]

For one I don't understand how Droodles day and night cycle works he uploads the video at the most random of times i question his sleep

[brittle scroll]

personalised, each player

[stiff junco]

Happens all the time

[sly apex]

🥱 just get good i have no issues with this new mm

[gleaming flax]

I think the devs have a crush on me

[astral forum]

who needs sleep?

[pulsar ice]

бабаха лучше иса 7

[gleaming flax]

No but since he's here lets ask him @midnight spindle

[primal raptor]

I have been wondering about that. Thank you

[gleaming flax]

@midnight spindle can you answer this riddle

[astral forum]

he probably schedules the videos to be uploaded at any time he wants
plus it doesn’t take long to record a video on blitz and do all the editing and thumbnail
like in one of his streams he said it took about 1 hour to record and edit

[gleaming flax]

That i would say but some are quite consistent i can tell that he just plays one after the other

[astral forum]

yeah u can see in the stat tracker sometimes
also it’s kinda dumb to think some people thought he cherry picked the games

[gleaming flax]

Yeah true he is actually good

[astral forum]

like sure he can be salty at times but it’s understandable most of the time
but he is like one of the best youtubers for news, and showing how to play certain tanks
and with the how to play like a pro video

[gleaming flax]

About the how to play a tank he does not know how to play the T54e2

[astral forum]

he usually plays like tier 9 and 10 but sometimes 8 and even 7
but is the t54e2 good? i got it recently

[gleaming flax]

Specifically that tank and the St 1 for some reason and yes it is good

[astral forum]

i just don’t get why people like @sharp viper go at him when he says one thing (and the thing he said is literally true about the mm)

[gleaming flax]

What did he say i wasn't there at that time

[timid jolt]

So if I've completed the missions available how will this work?

[astral forum]

something about it not being fair on pro players to have to suffer while the noobs have all the fun
like why do skilled players have to get the worst teammates

[brittle scroll]

you get 15 battle pass stages

[hidden rover]

Nice I could probably complete the f2p side of the pass
I skipped on buying it this month because the camos aren’t good but still neat to get some stuff on the free half like the discounts and the 200 gold at the end or something
Hope they do this for other passes too if it’s during one I buy the pass that’s like 2 free operation crates

[astral forum]

hopefully if they do it again they give it to everyone

[spark crow]

schedule uploads exist, yet we're gamers, we don't sleep

[minor bear]

100%. If you use its gun depression it is really good. It’s used a lot in competitive

[astral forum]

any other really strong tier 8s?

[minor bear]

For what purpose? The bourrasque it good if you know how to play it, the T77 is also really good. The object 252U has beautiful armor and sidescrapes well. For lights the lekpz m41 90mm is the only good one. I love playing the ISU running cali and the tier 10 gun

[astral forum]

well looks like i havw a lot of meh tier 8 premiums

[iron spruce]

LT-432, RU 251, FV301:

[spark crow]

what you got there

[minor bear]

Ok the LT 432 is short which is nice. Really any light you need to know how use properly. I said the LeKpz because of its speed and dpm (I love the m41d)

[astral forum]

titan 54d, tornvagn, amx cdc, amx defender, amx m4 49, amx alt proto, bourasque, lorraine, rev, t-34-3, WZ-111, wz-120-1g ft, action x, centurion RAAC, IS-5, LT-432, STG, T-2020, e 75 ts, kpz 07 RH, VK168, lekpz, T26E5, T54E2

[spark crow]

Tornvagen, Bourrasque, Action X and T54E2 are amazing
the rest are fine and great, most of them ain't really mid

[minor bear]

Personally, the tornvagn, Bourassque, GFT, action x, RAAC, lekpz, t54e2, and e 75 TS. I love the STG for its speed and alpha but it’s not really good

[astral forum]

ook thx guys

[astral forum]

nice, i had no issues tho glad to see they are allowing everyone to get all the rewards

[wispy glacier]

Is this the reason I'm not getting a free battlepass? ( @astral forum apparently it's "personalised for certain people")

[astral forum]

it’s given to random people idk if it has to do with stats

[meager hull]

probably is, normally newer and worse players get better deals although a battle pass is a bit much id say for an undisclosed reason

[neon pewter]

how u get this quest ?

[astral forum]

yeah i guess so

[brittle scroll]

you either do or you don't

[wispy glacier]

Idk, why can't they just give it to all active accounts or too everyone

[timid jolt]

It was there when I opened game

[neon pewter]

confused if you got it

[gusty plover]

I couldn't collect all the rewards ;-;

[wispy glacier]

What did u do to wargaming to get it( @gusty plover no way he has his batchat level 50, such a waste of credits 💀)

[timid jolt]

😆 if I knew I'd do it more

[tranquil socket]

my stream was not working for 15 mins

[gusty plover]

mine too :// they said 30 minutes more added but no ://

[torn drift]

I wonder how can that account get only 2 pens in a tank per match, horrendous XD

[wispy glacier]

Goofy ahh is4 camo ( @lucid bluff it barely worked for me, they gave 30 mins compensation, so basically 60 coins)

[lucid bluff]

Did today's stream work for you guys?

[brittle scroll]

yes

[astral forum]

yes

[gusty plover]

No for first 17 minutes

[errant minnow]

This is rly big.
I got all 300 while i didnt watched 20 m. Bcs it wasnt loading

[errant minnow]

Bruh yea but tbf in Minecraft Texture grafiks it cant Look good
Obvs

[wispy glacier]

Even with good graphics it's bad, sorry @brittle scroll just struggling with life)

[brittle scroll]

let's not make things political

[midnight spindle]

guys what does this mean

[wispy glacier]

It means in a few hours you will receive 210 coins for watching ( @errant minnow I dont have the money, that's the point)

[errant minnow]

Lmao Bro yea kinda but u can get a Phone that is able to Run wotb on max Grafik for 250-300€/$ these days
Ik what i Talk bout Had some lower too before i got me a more expensive

[midnight spindle]

ok thank you so can i just turn off the stream

[errant minnow]

? How can you watch the stream to collect the things and not know what they are for xD (No Front ofc )the coins for the event will come to your account in an hour or two then U can use them for the Containers
Yes Just Turn Off
@ruby holly Just on youre Account ofc

[wispy glacier]

Yeah it's all good, it's ended

[ruby holly]

when will it be added? no 30 mins added yet

[brittle scroll]

be patient, it'll probably come together with what you already earned

[ruby holly]

so its coins which are added? not 30mins stream time to earn..this is how it sounds like

[errant minnow]

My mistake if someone already asked, What about the fact that the chat is completely down again, no clan exists and everyone is theoretically free of a clan again Is something new being implemented or installed or is it simply a error?
@ruby holly d... ofc 30* m. That equal that amount of Coins xD Just wait you get them

[meager hull]

Yeah they gave you 30 mins equivalent of coins

[brittle scroll]

you may wanna relog, clans are fine on my end

[errant minnow]

Nope gone for all of us in eu servers sadly

[brittle scroll]

i'm on eu dude

[errant minnow]

Well me too xD idk our Guys in dc all got the Same thing normal friendchat is working, clanchat isnt
Anyways nvm just gotta wait guess they gonna fix it next day Like last time

[astral forum]

What’s happened now?

[wispy glacier]

Why can't I get a free bp, I'm special wg 🥰

[astral forum]

Did they do it to help people get snippets?

[royal kraken]

They did it to get people to play the game because probably very few bought the BP AND they’ve upset half of us with the surprise MM change. By the way #NoSBMM

[sweet needle]

you mean 80% of us

[sharp viper]

@brittle scroll can I talk to u pls
About earlier in dms

[brittle scroll]

about?

[sharp viper]

About what hat I did earlier

[brittle scroll]

no

[sharp viper]

Why

[brittle scroll]

i have nothing to elaborate on. are you seriously going to discuss a 2h mute?

[sharp viper]

Goofy ah mods bruh

[astral forum]

This guy still yapping?

[errant minnow]

Bro rly wanna debate over a wotb dc server 2hour mute
Thought people with Spongebob in their profile had taste

[sharp viper]

Not my fault the clown mods don’t want me to apologise

[spark crow]

meanwhile me getting 14d mute year ago and all I wanted to know is just how long it was because the bot didn't DM me the details

[astral forum]

https://tenor.com/view/mayweather-for-you-throw-gif-8082067

[errant minnow]

Yea Sure ... Not youre childish fault if youre a Casual "L" spammer
But i guess it's better not to Talk much more to get Involved i smell a Bann soon for some

[sharp viper]

Yeah whatever blud idc

[errant minnow]

Blud 🤡💀
Who doesn't love them, the toddlers who talk like they're a wannabe UK guy

[alpine blade]

really? haw old are you

[errant minnow]

Just remember Guys Before you want to understand the guy. He pulls out the kindergarten stuff and then wants to talk privately because he doesn't understand his mood

[spark crow]

I highly recommend just moving on.

[wispy glacier]

I'm still waiting for the battlepass mission thing, it ain't fair how "lower level people" get it just because there not good enough to earn rewards, we deserve it too, I love you wg cmonnnn

[alpine blade]

i nave BP mision what is the problem? they dont give to all ?

[noble shoal]

I have a problem, I don't mind the coins from the fan container draw

[somber vale]

wg fix this damn mm because this game is unplayable

[wispy glacier]

Nope, them seem to think that new players or "bad players" deserve the free stuff even though people like me who have been loyal to this game and played for 7 years, don't deserve a free battlepass

[sweet needle]

It has nothing to do with new or veterans, I'm playing since 2015 and didn't get it but my cousin that also plays since 2015 got it.

[wispy glacier]

Why can't they just give it too all players, make it more simple

[lucid bluff]

Your cousin from the same country?

[onyx bluff]

huh, my game dont load anymore when im trying to enter on pc but on android it lets me but when i enter on pc it shows me "error, close the ap"

[sweet needle]

Yeah, we're both in eu server.

[alpine blade]

i play game for 8 years mate and 62 WR is not bad player i think but anyway whay thy dont give mision to all ? what is the selection for all this ?

[astral forum]

random selection

[wispy glacier]

Random selection yet I've never had any missions from that EVER

[alpine blade]

OMG wargaming what you turned the game into ?

[wispy glacier]

Pick n mix 😂

[sweet needle]

It would be only weird if it was only for some amount of random people, I would assume it'll be given within few days to everyone but that still sounds weird when you ask the question why?

[wispy glacier]

It better be, because that really ain't fair at all

[alpine blade]

agree i think game is equal for all

are they talk for sum compo for players hy not have the quest ore evriting is go to old way full silence ?

[small tendon]

[wispy glacier]

Let me guess, you got it? Seeming as ur like that (are you?) @small tendon @sweet needle

[small tendon]

Im his cousin

[fiery arrow]

@sonic sundial @violet tiger this was a response from Support on the ticket I raised for the control layout reset issue. They're aware of it and "perhaps" may fix it

[torn drift]

I enjoy Droodolino content but he is usually pessimistic, just check his streams lmao

[minor bear]

Doodle blitz

[fading heron]

would it be nice if in the vents it could spawn a box with any random stuff of the game that we can pick every 3 days or a week?

just to give it a use

[smoky agate]

i'd like to have a sharp, penetrating, uncomfortably civil but blunt conversation with whichever WG contracted PR firm thought up the new EULA. Please DM me the firm they hired and a contact to email.

[golden shore]

To everyone who is frustrated, please don't take out your anger on others; especially on the mods. They are only doing their jobs and aren't responsible for WG's actions. It's like getting mad at the waiter for bringing you bad food. It wasn't the waiter who cooked it, the cook did, the waiter only brought it out to you. So next time your upset, simply control the expression and tone behind your message and remember that we're all humans and we all deal with different things differently

[smoky agate]

No. Mods are not doing their jobs. They're volunteer cops. There are no good cops. Volunteer cops are worse than job cops. Job cops don't care. Volunteer cops just want to hurt.

[tacit blaze]

nothing sadder than volunteering to be a discord mod

[golden shore]

Do you think everyone in the world is generally bad, but makes good decisions or think that people are good until they make bad decisions?

[smoky agate]

no. i think you're a bootlicker. and not a good person

[midnight spindle]

It's fun to troll after this update. WG's fair MM brought a good motivation for it

[golden shore]

Mods joined to help, not to hurt. If you feel that they are hurting you, maybe you try being a mod and dealing with thousands of people and trying to help to the best of your ability. And as for the insult, if that's your way of taking out anger, I find it quite rather ineffective especially if your intent is to hurt me from a simple comment. It's funny how you don't know me and say that I'm a bad person. The question i asked was a simple Option A or Option B and you decided to create Option C which was to insult the person asking the question.

Is calling me an American supposed to be an insult too? Lol. Am I suppose to say, "this guy must be a European". You can tell from simple text that I'm American? It's not like I included "American-slang" or an accent that could hint I'm American. If you really have a problem with something don't go crying on here. Maybe do some self-reflection 👍

[royal kraken]

This is such a wild false equivalency. Please calm down and reiterate that WG needs to revert the MM changes peaceably. If you run your mouth for clout they’ll just ban you and the mouth breathers will be the only ones left cheering for SBMM.

Edit: or whatever your problem is idc 🙂 point being mod does not equal cop

I just want that to always be in the window in case a WG employee looks. Otherwise they’ll just see brainless ranting about moderation

[golden shore]

Good luck with this one. Probably a lost cause. Contacts me after I say something that he disagrees with and goes on to talk conspiracy on how all cops are corrupt and evil. He goes on to insult me personally without even knowing me and still tries to argue his loosely defended claim.

I don't defend these "cops", I am simply able to comprehend the simple truth that they aren't here to hurt.

Look he deleted his messages. Maybe he is understanding after all or doesn't want WG to read his insults.

[smoky agate]

lmao. I did not contact you. Good job on proving my point. You're lying

I'd rather eat glass than to DM you.

[royal kraken]

Yeah I’m not a cop apologist but won’t get political. the mods here really just seem to be blitz nerds kindly wasting their own time trying to maintain a community consisting mostly of children. Dudes trippin

[smoky agate]

.

[golden shore]

Maybe contacting is the wrong word, just like how all your sentences are made up. Respond is the right word i meant. Is this not responding to what I said? You argue that mods are "cops" without saying why. You call them bad, without saying why, get mad at me when I tell you otherwise like the typical "that guy" and now your upset because someone else isn't blind like me unlike you. The truth is rough, and it can hard to handle. Take your time, but don't waste mine.

[smoky agate]

Is there a role where anything a NA-server role writes gets automatically ignored?

I would love that option

Americans are so fragile these days.

[golden shore]

Would you feel it is appropriate if WG filtered comments specifically from EU or from you to not show up because they deemed your opinion "irrelevant" or wrong because they don't believe the same as you? If your gonna discriminate or hate on NA players because they are NA, you shouldn't be allowed to talk right now. If you've been really talking like this before and havent been muted, maybe you haven't learned your lesson. Go talk to your mommy kid. Maybe she will "agree" with you while staring at her phone not paying attention.

I'm not fragile as I mentioned before. I'm doing the same as you. Proving your point wrong because it's just a complete lie. You respond to my comment, i can respond to yours. It's the internet and I'm not taking away your right to speak no matter how disrespectful or wrong you are. Might as well end it now before mods see your insults.

[smoky agate]

mods, please?

[midnight spindle]

Seems like a cooldown phase. Need to heat up

[smoky agate]

there's no cooldown. They just ran dry. Bot scripts can't really debate.

[elder ibex]

The game client settings resets every day! For the love of God, please address this issue

[signal spoke]

Wg you fix mm so y I have 100 battles player and opp have 100k battle player (super fair omgg)

[alpine blade]

I don't know what's going on anymore in this game TDs spot heavy play TDs all meds go to the front line a complete circus😯 nobody cares for controlling the map nice update WG

[golden sparrow]

Same issue here, PC Windows-Store version. Keyboard settings resets to default for no reason. I have to check the settings everytime I launch the same.

[pseudo crescent]

Can anyone direct me to a place I can find more information about the new matchmaker? I wanna know more.

I played some matches yesterday and I noticed some players were less opposed to tossing their tanks, but that's standard for every major update, at least for a little while. Other than that, I'm not exactly sure what the change did?

[alpine blade]

read the feed

[pseudo crescent]

Okay, thanks. I just read through.

[fervent lance]

Well MM is still the same it seems, nothing changed

[pseudo crescent]

That's what I thought, too. I'm just guessing it's because they typically lessen the strictness depending on how long people have been queued up for. Either way, I also really didn't notice a drop in "extremely fast" battles, either. 7-0s still happen pretty regularly, and I did make sure to check the stats of other players after the battle. Some players lacked the 5000 battles.

I'd consider myself an above average player, sitting at a pretty comfortable 61.8% career, so I really dunno what changed at all xd

[rustic lake]

Same issue 🤣 It is noticeable that PC key binding resets , and it seems that the button layout on mobile version also resets 😦

[pseudo crescent]

I never had that issue, oddly enough. I wonder if I'm alone on that.

[fervent lance]

As always, no quality control done prior the release to avoid bugs

[golden sparrow]

Lets be fair, WG is better than most. I just realized that this issue is widespread. I expect a patch soon !

[fervent lance]

No change in MM

[pseudo crescent]

I really don't even think it matters how the matchmaker picks tanks. It's how players behave/play.

[alpine blade]

in the begining game is like chess game naw is like counter-strike LOL

[pseudo crescent]

Idk how this analogy even came to be

[alpine blade]

i repead my self (I don't know what's going on anymore in this game TDs spot heavy play TDs all meds go to the front line a complete circus😯 nobody cares for controlling the map )

[misty patio]

skill based matchmaker is so bad!

[fervent lance]

MM is more like RNG

[tribal spindle]

Did anyone else not get the mission to get the free premium pass?

[loud brook]

didn’t here

[tiny crater]

I hate New matchmaking everytime I play my whole team is dead in a second I lost so many times...sure fixed well wargaming....

Just wanna play I won only 5 battles and got 11 lost

Wargaming this was the worst update for matchmaking

[cinder lion]

the new matchmaker:bruh

[tiny crater]

New matchmaker sucks very very bad

No matter how hard you try you still lose

[acoustic nymph]

What is this intel ? What is its uses .? Pls help

[haughty mountain]

@tribal spindle Sadly no:(

[small tendon]

Just do 6 k dmg bruh

[coarse pier]

Only a few people got free battle pass quest is a little unfair for those who didn't get it😔

[boreal bear]

I got it, weird to make such a random quest...
What is randomly given ? Were there objectives to complete ?

I got it btw.

I havent been playing much lately, around 50 games this week i woumd say, my stats are the same as usual (~53% career and 55% 30days)

I havent done anything special to get it, it just was there when i started the game for the first time of the day yesterday evening ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[true karma]

why didn't they give me this quest question to the development team

[acoustic nymph]

💀

[gentle gull]

New awesome draw sucks:/

[spark crow]

idk about you I got 3k free gold
you need to know when to stop

[novel pike]

Hello guys I am new to the game I want to ask when resistance stream for rewards will be at my time in Jordan 🇯🇴 middle east thx you!

[gentle gull]

4 spin and cant continue

[spark crow]

streams at 9pm-11pm

[novel pike]

today ??

[nimble bobcat]

Hi everyone I am new here

[spark crow]

today and tomorrow as I know

[novel pike]

so at night livestream will begin ??

[spark crow]

yeah

[novel pike]

thx btw i’m ahmad from jordan i will see the livestream because i’m broke as hell 💀

[astral forum]

I wonder if it will work for everyone today

[full arch]

Yep 120 coins only despite watching the entire stream...

[spark crow]

that's sounds bad
just wondering how many battles do you have

mm just screw 60+%ers basically
I would just switch to ratings until they do something about it

I saw some pro say "Skill based MM seems to be turned off now" since he did well last night unlike the day before

[midnight spindle]

The broadcast apac server dint start the stream bruh

[astral forum]

Idk which person thought it was a good idea to make this mm but they clearly don’t know what they’re doing

[turbid hearth]

Legit this game is going to die

[cinder lion]

whats the intel in the battle pass quest

[turbid hearth]

Worst part is eveyone going yolo in same point abd your team split in 3

[astral forum]

They’re screwing the skilled players probably causing them to probably quit or not play regular until it’s fixed

[west zinc]

yeah, if you have wr over 60 then your team is now filled with below average players to compensate

[tired kindle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[west zinc]

skill based mm but everygame is just 7-2 or 7-0. very competitive yes

[turbid hearth]

Point is: your team was already bad. But now most of times oppos are full of 55-58-60% but you keep having trash team mates

[undone kiln]

• you have to wait 2 minutes for a game now

[west zinc]

yes now they balanced it by giving the opponent mostly >55% and your team <50% just because you and only you has >60% wr

[sonic sundial]

What i have noticed is the same goes for me. I have a wr of 50.55 and in my team i have always another 50% wr player and the rest are players with >45% wr players. The >45% wr players still yolo and die and then i have to clutch with the other 50% player. Every battle is the same, i have to play very very passive or it is an instant lose.

[turbid hearth]

It’s defo time to quit this game till they fix

[small tendon]

Bought t62 a after this mm introduced played 30 games in it 3.3k avg with 45%winrate

[topaz grotto]

you're not the one to be blamed

3.3k avg is amazing

the bad teams aren't ur fault
wg ruined the mm

I'd rather you wait until they fix it

[small tendon]

I know yeah its just sad how bad mm is

[indigo bane]

Guys, help. What are 1000 Intels good for from the premium pass quest?

[spring pond]

Ok that's something new...
A free battle pass in a quest?

[astral forum]

I still didn’t get it lol

[small tendon]

Poobles latest video actually explains the current mm well

[brittle scroll]

just a thing that unlocks the premium pass. some code requires it i guess

[topaz grotto]

finally an explanation

[indigo bane]

Thank you, but I still don't understand what I'm gonna do with them. I need to know because I'm trying to see if it's worth the grind

[brittle scroll]

it's literally a free premium pass, what could NOT be worth it about it?

[astral forum]

if they gave it to everyone it would be good

[west zinc]

back then you used to be able carry, now you can't you just can't

[sonic sundial]

So they give you 5 teammates who will do nothing and die the first minute and now we have to carry them?

[indigo bane]

Because on my other account I already paid for it, now beside the free bp which is the second listed reward, I just wanted to know what those 1000 Intels are good for, so I know if it's worth the grind or not

[brittle scroll]

i just explained it to you

free premium pass

why would you ever think it's not worth it?

if intel was something else, would you suddenly not try to get a free premium pass?

[indigo bane]

Cuz I already paid for bp on my other account, that's why

[red glacier]

60% here..this is very bad mm now..punishig players as they improve their gameplay is the worst thing in game ever!

[west zinc]

yep if you're good you're now punished. very good logic

[brittle scroll]

And why does that matter? You got the quest on a different account where you don't have the pass

You would have also noticed that you received intel when purchasing the pass

[indigo bane]

My bad, I didn't😅😅😅

[red glacier]

@west zinc Listening to kids whining about matchmaking. When they lose in fact, they have to learn that a losing is a part of the game. That's why you try to improve your game play.

[topaz grotto]

there's only so much you can do when your heavys go medium side and leave u stranded against the whole enemy team

[west zinc]

uh huh ofc whining cuz I have to carry 3 40% against 7 55% every game

[indigo bane]

You go with your team, even if it's a bad call. Better than alone

[red glacier]

@topaz grotto than adapt..or lose..no one can win 100%

[topaz grotto]

for some reason after reaching heavy side I look back and see my whole team dead

@red glacier I never said I don't lose
I'm just saying some losses are evident
you will never be able to stop them

[west zinc]

but now you lose more frequently because there's more 40% being allocated to your team compared to the enemy (considering you have >60% wr)

[red glacier]

@topaz grotto bad teams and bad games are part of the game..its just normal in game and in life..adapting is what it makes you better in both..

[turbid hearth]

This answer is clown asnwer. I don’t have to adapt and btw with this mm everyone will be close to 50% cuz is skill based mainly in 30d.

[topaz grotto]

I know

I never disagreed with your point

I just said some losses are never gonna be carryable
as you mentioned "improve your gameplay"
it will matter for the most part but some losses are unstoppable

[red glacier]

@topaz grotto I agree.. thats why no one can have 100% wr

[arctic stag]

Hey Guys Could anyone Help me Because i happen to still dont have the FREE battle pass Quest Please Help i reaaly need that quest

[solid parcel]

People that are good are just overreacting.... new wr range will become like between 45 and 55 so ofcourse everyone with 70% will lose a lot now

[topaz grotto]

ermmm actually

you can play 1 battle on the account
p2w a tier 10
and play ratings only

[red glacier]

If this mm goes on.. Eventually everyone will have 50% win rate and basically the same stats lol

[topaz grotto]

finally no winrate judging

[solid parcel]

Nvm ur right

[west zinc]

it is truly peak balance when everyone has 50% WR

[forest aurora]

@echo crater here how to improve matchmaking ! dont make full teams of premiums since at tier VIII the poor f2p are meating platoons of T77 and will just vanish... There should be a cap of premiums pr battle evenn if it slow down the matchmaking (edit, on special mods i usually find full collectors/premium teams)

[red glacier]

Lol that one is good

[midnight spindle]

The MM kills every good player. On my team is me at nearly 68% winrate with 30k games and 3k avg dmg in t10, and maybe one more 60+% player. The enemy has 2 of the same caliber of players. They then cancel each other out. On the other hand, if the enemy does not have any 60+% players they will have all 53-58% players, whilst my team gets 48-50% players, meaning it’s a loss every time. These are facts not crying

[thin dove]

After roughly 30 games since the new mm, I think I'm just going to stop playing. It's literally unplayable. This change needs to be reverted ASAP.

[stone current]

Everyone will have 50 wr but their actual skill level will be as a 60 wr player or 40 wr player. Far from balanced.

[west zinc]

but wargaming believe that all players should have 50% winrate because that means it's balanced. You can't argue with stats and numbers right?

[stone current]

I see :)

[meager hull]

Yeah because when i 50% (65% 30 day) goes up against the 50% (40% 30 day) noob it’ll be a fair fight 🤡

[west zinc]

like the old mm is so much better, it's actually random which makes it fun. Now it's literally rigged if you're 60%+ like you know for certain that you're at a disadvantage cuz you're better

[olive birch]

Yes, the new mm is probably the worst things ever added right up there with missiles and spare parts. This just means that al 60% players will eventually become 50% and 40% players as well will be 50% and then the cycle begins egain... How in the world did they think this was a good idea?? Pubs are meant to be random, this change could maybe be made to ratings that are horrible. The only thing theh should do to change pubs is to make it so both teams get the same ammount of tanks for each type.

[west zinc]

like every single tier 10 game is me facing pro players with below average players on my team

[hardy obsidian]

The problem of new mm is they just consider overall wr but not take a look of which tier they were mostly playing. Some new players just focus on wr, so they just play low tier 6 to 8, less than 1000 battles in tier 9 or 10. That’s why don’t even know where to go and help teammate, which makes skills players cry. That explains why LT go HT line and die at the very beginning, or HT just hide at home do nothing till all teammate die

[safe basalt]

Please fix the control reset issues asap. It happens everyday after the
update.

[wintry solstice]

#BringBackTheOldMM

[thin dove]

An mm that matches tank types and tiers would have been perfect. Same number of each tank type of the same tier on each team

[west zinc]

I'm gonna take a break until they revert these mm changes cuz I'm really not looking forward to facing pro players every single game. I play regular for fun and not to sweat my palms every game. If I want an actually skill based mm I'm gonna play Rating or Tournaments or just play a different game entirely.

[wintry solstice]

I usually average above 77% wr in 30 days
Last 2 days I haven't been able to surpass 66%

[west zinc]

This is the patch where all 50-55% players rejoice while the 60%er suffers fr

A skill based mm for a non skill based mode, like they forgot that rating existed or maybe dislike that nobody actually plays rating so now they forced everyone to abide by rating standards lmao. Wargaming really loves to fix things that isn't broken.

[proud pecan]

I will also stop playing until the mm changes. I am at 63000 games and it will take years until my winrate and other stats are at a level that makes me competitive again. No way this will be fun if it feels like you are playing alone against enemy team without a chance. And i dont want to create a new account and lose all my tanks and start gridning again. This is sad.

[wintry solstice]

All they had to do was improve the pairing depending on vehicle type and quantity, that's about it

[thin dove]

exactly this, that was the only change needed

[proud pecan]

Not to mention, that grinding tanks will be so much harder in the future, because the impact you can have with those is much lower than your average overall stats, which means grinding means loosing a lot more than it was before.

[wintry solstice]

Well, you have game modes for that

[dull burrow]

Why'd u hide the amount of games played?

[urban geode]

elza182 has been warned.

[low sedge]

MM is very bad fix it WG do your job.

[cedar forge]

I dont think new rino tank has 7 degrese of Depression or is it plausible?

[small tendon]

Its joever

[tawny garden]

maybe it hit the view hatch?

[wispy glacier]

Drive up to the ridge 😭

[zealous tiger]

What is the maximum coins you can get for all tournaments?

[gusty plover]

1500 afaik

[zealous tiger]

why& i have 600 + 450 today

[cedar forge]

3 seconds apart

[tawny garden]

oh well

[jaunty hedge]

Speaking of which, what is "intel"?

[sonic sundial]

It's a fictional currency just used by the system to identify who has it. It gets removed at the end of the month.

[jaunty hedge]

Ah alr, thanks for the info

[rustic echo]

Fxed mm! Is there really no math major on wg staff that could have prevented this drive to 50%? It's been mentioned here on discord since December. The 5k game barrier caused all these 60% rerolls that are now at a disadvantage in mm since they have a true skill level down around ~50%. Now win rate which was rightly prized, has been given the equity treatment. 55% will be the new unicum, 45% the new bot level, and rerolls a useless effort even though rerolls had brought in much money to wg.

[tiny crater]

Basically by seeing this most of skilled players won't get much but bad players will get more win rate

[pearl mason]

this mm fix will only benefit bot players to be honest, when ur like more than 60% winrate, ur gettin like two bots to ur team per game while enemy team gets none, so

[marsh tree]

Is it possible to ask for some bot mode, it would still be online to avoid cheating but everyone else would be bots.. my kids try to play this game time of the time but they mostly loose all the time, waste my credits it's a bad time. I would not want to look for another tank game specifically for them to play, could be nice to just select Vs bots, get less or no rewards but at least it's easy for kids

[thick fractal]

Finally i done this quest just 2 days

[raven burrow]

and did you get that pass?

[thick fractal]

Yes bro

[novel tinsel]

can i still start the quest somehow

[willow rivet]

Trick with that is that WG has the game at 12+ ... and they want people in the real battle queues.

[marsh tree]

they may want a lot of things, just saying my kids play it anyway cos they like tanks and this is way more simple than alternative tank games, if there would be bot mode everyone would win. If pvp is not good you cannot force people to play it anyway , people will just play soomething else, so imo you are not stealing players from pvp moode

actually nvm i can install armored warfare again and let them play cooop there

[thick fractal]

We have my nick 2 tier 10 tanks thank you

[marsh hull]

hi, i dont like sweating. a game is supposed to be played for destressing. not for stressful serious esports-esque mood, we already have tournaments for that. Please stop listening to tryhards about fixing matchmaker and revert it to the old one. the old mm is not perfect but it works

[sullen linden]

exactly

[hidden rover]

I’m just having SO much fun in the matchmaker genuinely being the most skilled player there and just annihilating everyone (not fun tho when I had a tier 8 game where I did 4K+ damage and everyone else did below 1500)

That doesn’t mean I’m bad tho right,I’m just being put with 40-49%ers below me
My stats say 50% but I genuinely feel like I’ve gotten a lot better and much more skilled over time it’s just with so many total games played it’ll take forever for that number to move

[frozen falcon]

https://youtu.be/P8MXTY52DRY?si=bzde2-UU4Dy57Ts6 bad update. Wargaming watch this

[hidden rover]

I’d understand why the very high win rate people would not like this change but just saying for me an average player that I’d consider with eh a decent amount of skill I’m having a lot of fun

[frozen falcon]

Making blitz's one of the most chill back ytber angry is crazy

[marsh tree]

the only reason i play this game is cos its more simple and easy then alternatives, make it harder and moroe stressful and there is 0 , no reason at all to play it cos alternatives are better at being more realistic, don't fck this up please

[trail hornet]

Im having 0 fun. It's just loss after loss with an occasional win.

[devout pelican]

just revert it and leave it

[frozen falcon]

I am tryna have fun but these newbies make it hard

[loud sand]

Is there any way we can make the big boss event a regular event like regular missions it's like the the best of the best event and waiting for it to come around every month is really hard, it was just an idea that someone a friend of mine that plays the game in a different clan it's our favorite and he had an idea that would be cool to have it as a regular mission event that happens every day, I think it would really draw in more gamers also another thing I've been playing the game for 2 years and My clan is called BossesRaiders I have a few things I'd like to throw out as ideas, one thing if we get lock boxes in our inventory they just sit I think they should come with a key cuz if we earned the lock boxes we should be able to open them up only seems fair, also we mean more freebies it seems like there's more and more you have to buy stuff freebies everybody jumps on freebies cuz they're so very far in between of getting anything. Promo codes haven't seen promo codes in a long time now, but the biggest thing is if we can get the big boss event as an everyday mission I think it would draw more gamers in because that's the best event it's a favorite among millions. And on some maps we could use more bushes advantage points to give our team an advantage of support during a mission. That's all for now I'll keep you up to date on any other ideas and things that my clan asks me.

Oh I forgot, I have noticed that gamers that can spend for the best tanks out there are really devastating the free players of the game should give them an advantage somehow just wanted to throw that out there.

[frozen falcon]

Fr

[trail hornet]

I'm mostly F2P (I've spent a little bit of money on things like the premium pass and the Eraser BP44) and the premium tanks I've managed to get aren't very good mostly.

[forest aurora]

I think you should all consider taking cc's opinion of ur updates seriously... (a few 50% super testers wont really help with testing cuz releasing that MM on WAY BIGGER scale will flatten all wr) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8MXTY52DRY

[frozen falcon]

Oi I posted that if u scroll up but ok

[forest aurora]

well my bad but i'm not looking for attention consider it a reminder of ur own post

[frozen falcon]

It's k same aswell

[small tendon]

First video like this from him

[crimson mauve]

Let me be honest; I am NOT a fan of this update. AT ALL !
But I have to try and make some kind of test to see if the changes have an impact on players like myself, who are in the 60s but not super unicums..
No doubt that the +70% will suffer and have to carry even harder from now on..
I’ll see in a month time if there is a noticeable difference, either solo or platooning..
https://youtu.be/iDVen6oQp7s?si=p9ziIEm-57YNvQ4_

[pliant wagon]

Stream registered an hour of me watching but I log in this morning and no fan coins received, why it wasn’t hosted on twitch is beyond me

[copper thunder]

Someone have a link to the stream so I can watch?

[forest aurora]

[gritty gate]

dear wargaming

as i speak on behalf of the 60%+ club of players ( the ones you should be listening to when making systematic and metabolic changes to the game mostly ) that changes to core mechanics, aka the backbones of the games is balanced from the top of the skill ladder falling down, and not the other way around

making us having to cope with people having 0 game knowledge just because i have superior skill effectively nullifying the DELTA between players is not only an ignorant take to how the problem should be resolved, but also a massive spit in the face to the players who have devoted their time to actually improve in the game

flipping the skill order upside down like an hourglass, effectively plateauing the entire playerbase to a 50% overall winrate doesnt make for interesting games, as someone needs to have or feels to have an impact to a win,

What we wanted , and always did as people who understood the game to a molecular level is to ditch the people playing their tanks wrong in a seperate queue so both teams have 7 people on the board, a super heavy bleeding hit points in the frontline is more useful than a super heavy camping in spawn roleplaying a td, an afk ensures 6 vs 7 games 100% of the time, a person having 60% in tier 6 will not perform in tier 10, trolls who to this day still are present in the queue, imbalanced tank distribution / class / subclass / role / composition is also a major factor depending on the map being drawn

fix the core issues that act like pollution to the game rather than shafting both good players with crappier teammates, and crappy players with great players who conicindently forces them to face off an overall more experienced enemy team

[gray portal]

Too many cheaters on this game and WG do nothing...

[deep moth]

Ye

[midnight spindle]

Yep , if Elefant event will be win for those currency then no way a lot ppl will get the tank with this MM

[crimson mauve]

@echo crater THIS 🙏🏼
You will start loosing us +60%ers who actually make an effort to learn the game and its mechanics.. and the game will die..

[cedar forge]

I am a 55% so im not the best in the game but i would just wait it out until they fix it

[midnight spindle]

Like before update , i went up to 60 % win rate now after update back to 54 % like atleast a lose 5 times in a row

[crimson mauve]

55% is good
This is also why I am trying to make the 30 day trial on my two accounts.. to se the actual impact on a descent player like me..

[cedar forge]

Oh no i wasn't a 60% before i was and still am a 55%

[crimson mauve]

Seems like some fast changes to WR. How few battles do you have?

[midnight spindle]

2,5 or 2,8 k but i never had this much lose

[crimson mauve]

Okay, so half your opponents are most likely bots.. the real changes happen after 5.5k battles 🙂

[shadow viper]

Why am I getting punished for being good by getting worse teammates the better I play?

[midnight spindle]

I mean there's games i do 0 damage doesn't mean I'm a bad teamate.. @shadow viper

[alpine blade]

ok what is the diference i have 90 + k battles and steal my teamates is bots after new update LOL

[crimson mauve]

LOL.. you know what I mean m8.. real bots 😅

[willow rivet]

Because you can’t earn coins via twitch

[alpine blade]

sumtime real bots is better ones from real players mate 😅

[brittle scroll]

couldn't you just set up a separate account for your kids so they can learn in newbie matchmaking, which will contain bots and other new players

[crimson mauve]

So true !! Bots seem to actually be able to aim their shots 😂

[tardy isle]

Well, we could... If there would be drops enabled. Like other Wargaming games...

[willow rivet]

If you suspect cheating, send proof with screenshots + replays to player support

[alpine blade]

agree tnks to made my day mate 😅

[pliant wagon]

Technically you can with the drops thing but that's only if wargaming implements it

[marsh tree]

It's a vastly different game when you play low tier and high tier tanks, I font think you can learn anything in there, they just tend to drive around and ignore opponents cos nobody does any real damage

[urban geode]

tarik0879 was banned.

[willow rivet]

Technically maybe / yes, if the system changes, but right now it is a website + yt thing

[bronze quarry]

the skill ceiling on this game is pretty high this is disingenuous. it’s easy to play well enough to have fun and hard to play well

[echo spindle]

Dear Wg >>> I have been in this game for 8 years. I paid a lot of my money for this game, which apparently no longer cares about anything but money. I would like to understand what you are doing to us? People like me, for 8 years, improving, training, raising profiles and statistics, and because of you, all of this was lost. Enough stupidity, enough disdain for the old players at the expense of the new monkeys. I will leave this filth forever. There is no point in this wasted game

[pliant wagon]

Unfortunately so because I'm sure that twitch would be better in terms of handling all that and actually give me rewards unless it's wargaming's fault

[midnight spindle]

Wow. Blitz has perma ban in discord server but not in game against trolls.

[willow rivet]

Bans in game exist too.

[midnight spindle]

Only temporary scale. I used to report some players for trolling but they weren't banned permanently

[willow rivet]

That’s because it is not an instant perma ban thing …

[plush gate]

It’s skill based now, meaning everyone will eventually have around the same winrate
It doesn’t matter if ur a 65%er or a 45%er u will be dragged down and up to what the average winrate is

[midnight spindle]

To give them opportunities to regret and stop doing further once unbanned, yes. But perma ban should be applied imo if constantly reported

[full elm]

yea, totally not playing this game until the MM is fixed to match tanks with tanks not players with players.

then you got lucky zyrxy

[dull oriole]

The mm did NOT get fixed. SBMM is not helping anyone at all right now. But I also think it doesnt affect people with less than 5k battles though. I’m assuming you’re a reroll

[full elm]

i'd rather play with bots than 40%ers at least you can reliably count on the bot to do what it does

[dull oriole]

Lol well that is technically a reroll, but either way, it’s affecting every player. What’s your ign and do you mean 70%er by 30 days? Also do you have 5k battles career in regular battles? Bc that’s a huge factor. Lots of people say they have like 10k battles but they have like 3k in regular and like 6k in ratings or whatnot lol

[full elm]

the current MM is punishing the skilled playerrs and rewarding the unskilled

ima bet the statistics tell the tale, when active player count drops so significantly they will do something about it.

heck, they may even start to listen to their community and the desire for a tank based matchmaker, no one like goin up against an IS7 in a AMX 50

[cobalt canyon]

Yeah it’s garbage. Switch the mm back it only needed a tweak at best and not this stupid hogwash. Plus this isn’t even sbmm

[cobalt canyon]

Yeah, honestly though I vouch for the random mm it had before . I don’t think pairing up tanks to go against tanks would be good for blitz, that is why we have warrhunder after all .

[full elm]

so, if your team gets a set of lightly armored heavies and your opponents get heavily armored heavies the winrate percentage won't matter at all, no matter how good you are you ain't takin out a IS7 with an AMX

[forest aurora]

I'm a 55% but bro i used to not care abt losing now that i know how badly it's gon get i dont want to go under 55%

[alpine blade]

we see abot that mate i hope you rhit but my opinion they chase new
customers for the game new customers equal to new sources of profit its simple

[full elm]

like many other competitive games it needs a PI system, each individual vheicle gets a Power Indicator and are matched with that, it's why all them racing games have different classes

[cobalt canyon]

Yeah however I think most of the teams were relatively balanced before. An amx is a clipper and not really meant to fight an is7 head on. I get were your coming from but idk, I haven’t noticed it being a huge problem.

[full elm]

puttin a volkswagen against a corvette is jsut silly

your team should have the tanks your opponents have or as similar as they can be I admit the lineups are usually fair same amount of heavies lights meds an td's but the variety of each class is such that you can be at a disadvantage if the other team pulls two or three heavliy armored tanks and you get two or worse lightly armored heavies

[odd basin]

Another point that seems to get overlooked is not all WR are the same..a person like me with 5400 battles against a player with 40k,50k or even 100k with the same WR is not the same.

[full elm]

that really comes down to map knowledge @odd basin knowing where to position is quite important

[west zinc]

at this point just revert the MM smh, almost nobody likes the current MM

[odd basin]

It really isn't good for anyone

[full elm]

not tyrna start an argument but that kinda 'equality' is ruining more than just Blitz

[heavy grotto]

did anyone get the free battle pass quests?

[trail hornet]

I did

[odd basin]

spot on

[odd basin]

I did

[heavy grotto]

I got it on three of my accounts for free,is it a bug? or is it really an event?

[gusty plover]

Yes it's legit

[willow rivet]

Lucky you got it three times then.

[topaz grotto]

I also got it

[heavy grotto]

but what is 1k intel for?

[gusty plover]

It's the premium battle pass

[faint meadow]

I'm not playing the game before they fix this clown MM

[topaz grotto]

@heavy grotto

[fading heron]

BP

[heavy grotto]

so 1k intel is useless?

[topaz grotto]

it's a code for the bp to get activated

[echo dust]

if WG wants to keep, competitive matchmaking, then they should introduce also the following:
1)punish all afk by taking away credits to compensate credit losses of their teammates in case of defeat. If they win without you, you should give away 60k among your teammates.
2) people that do less than 0 (or 500 damge in tier x ) damage should get a 10 minutes ban, if they do it again in the day, 1h, then banned for the entire day.
competitive mm need competitive punishments.

[tiny crater]

2 no

[dense anchor]

ye

[woeful spade]

Lol, this is not a competitive matchmaker, it’s a skill based matchmaker. There is no competition because there are no ranks

[ruby forge]

if someone get ammoracked 2 games in a row

[west zinc]

With competitive FPS you may face a good opponent but you're also placed with good teammates. In Blitz it's you're gonna face good opponent but you're gonna be placed with bad teammates so you lose. I have no problem facing good players like it happens all the time in the old MM, but I have a problem with the game intentionally putting bad players in my team and not the opposing team just because I have a good stat. How come 1-2 players with good stats means filling the rest of the teams with bad players is a good idea.

This is the regular/random game modes not Competitive/Rating game modes, I don't want to sweat every single game and carry 4 players every game just because the MM rigged the game against me.

[slim junco]

I finished in 4 hours. GOt it done on two accounts in two days.

[astral forum]

i still have no quest lol

[alpine blade]

yes me whit obj777 whit no prottective kit after i put protective kit i lose speed but thing is difrend

[full arch]

Lol now I wonder, FOLKS , how much wanna bet the link will be broken again and half the people won't get any coins haha

[astral forum]

very likely knowing the last 2 days

[gusty plover]

I think 48-49% WR players are average and facing now more of your own type of sweat player is probably more the issue but you can adapt to it to find the way to defeat them 😅

[fading heron]

U do also get free premium pass...

[midnight pond]

Why haven’t they given you an order for a combat pass yet, although they give it to everyone?

[astral forum]

it’s random who gets it and who doesn’t

[static fossil]

As per usual, wargaming has a thing for giving some players free stuff, and the others the bird. It's a bummer, I really could have used the 3600 snippets, but I guess I wasn't worthy of any special quests

[golden shore]

I personally hate a randomizer because players like me have not received a single thing that has been randomized. The same player could keep getting randomized quests or rewards whereas others are left behind. You think WG would do more for their active players who play the game regardless if they pay or not. Instead, they just either randomize, or favor the new and noobs. Just from my perspective and how I feel. I understand the need to entice players who come back after a while and the newer players who just joined, but it really makes them lose their active and more loyal players.

[spark crow]

it's just sad what happened to this game, I have so much to say but it's all been said before, ugh

[loud spoke]

Anyone help? It wont load

[willow rivet]

Six more minutes ... read the fine print

[fading heron]

^

[static fossil]

I know I probably sound like all the other doom and gloom players that have been around since the beginning, but I do think the game is dying, especially NA. This new matchmaking might be the nail in the coffin. Why bother playing anymore if you're just going to be punished for being good?

No one likes losing, and if getting better will just stack things against you to make you lose more, then that just sounds like a negative feedback loop to me.

[west zinc]

Don't worry, WG don't care. Even if all the good players leave, the game won't die. Blitz main audience isn't the >60% WR players anyway, most of the playerbase is <50% so the want to please them more than the minority of good players. As long as those 40%er play this game like a herd of sheep, they couldn't careless about the good players

[static fossil]

You're not wrong, but you're not completely right either. It's those good players who've been around for a while that are the most consistent whales. Those are the people willing to keep paying money. If you isolate your paying customers and force them out, things will change.

Sure there are plenty of newbies that'll drop a few bucks, but it's nowhere near the revenue invested old timers put in. It's their consistent hobby after all.

[astral forum]

so anyone having issues with streams or is it fine today?

[alpine blade]

AMEIZING no problems whit stream FINALy

[west zinc]

We'll just have to wait and see if those old timers will keep buying into WG shenanigans because the only way to hurt them is to stop spending on the game. But I don't think that will happen.

[astral forum]

one in a million chance of this happening

[willow rivet]

Stream is fine for me ...

[alpine blade]

yeeh i put on TV and wach like normal person finaly LOL

[astral forum]

looks like there is no issues today

[somber vale]

Fix this damn MM, if you can't do something right, don't do it at all!!!
This is impossible to play, why do I have 70%, have 3 in my team, 40% and the rest 50% is what it is

[full arch]

What annoys me about the randomizer is that there are ton of people that haven't received anything on their accounts ..and some that got it on all their accounts..it's dumb

[small tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-joever-frog-it's-frover-it's-over-meme-gif-297867383892280262

[urban harbor]

Still don't get the BP quest...

[west zinc]

I mean that's what a randomizer does.. it randomize so that some lucky people get it and most others don't...

[sweet needle]

And how is this fair lol, just give it to everyone if you're gonna give something for free it's not that hard

[full arch]

Yeah but still...several dudes got it on multiple accounts and I haven't got it in any xD

[west zinc]

No one said it's fair, it's just how WG likes to do things. They love doing arbitrary things.

[brittle scroll]

either you do or you don't

not everyone receives it

[urban harbor]

did you know why ? ;-;

[faint meadow]

Game isn't fun when every game became obviously predictable

[west zinc]

tough luck, me and my friend didn't get it either so there's that. I hope WG stops with this random offers to random ppl, it's as if the game didn't have enough gambling elements they also have to randomize who gets what when they could just give the BP missions to everyone

[full arch]

Now you have gambling to get fan crates too haha

[hallow palm]

Where can I get the tournament stream

[urban harbor]

#game-news

[west zinc]

yeap, you used to just get the crate immediately from stream but now you need to get the coins to gamble for the crates so you can then gamble on the contents of the crate. It's just nested lootboxes with lootboxes inside of them, what a great business model.

[full arch]

Haha yeah not to mention we used to get 14-18 crates fan containers
And now we get 10 ...at best

[sweet needle]

[urban harbor]

[small tendon]

[west zinc]

[small tendon]

Did wg said anything about the new mm like will it stay like this or are there any plans on changing it?

[west zinc]

They did say on the update trailer that they will keep a close eye on the MM, they haven't stated any plans regarding change but if the community give them enough backlash then they might consider it.

[small tendon]

[somber vale]

your new MM Wargaming Bravo!!

[thorn island]

WG you guys have seriously outdone yourselves on the new match making! Congratulations on loosing what’s left of your existing Veteran players. Good luck without us OGs.

[small tendon]

Still playing normals huh

[west zinc]

*Still playing blitz huh

[tight wadi]

😂🤣

[small tendon]

I still like the game,atleast before the mm change.Surely they will listen to community and revert it back

[limpid owl]

Yeah....

[tight wadi]

Gg wg gg mm😡😡

[feral tangle]

this is the new MM xd

[small tendon]

@sweet needle give him bp quest he is crying wg😢

[west zinc]

hopefully they'll listen.. hopefully..

[sweet needle]

Yes pls

[faint meadow]

Good game

[somber vale]

that's how wargaming took care of us, we veterans have already played it, there's no point in playing it, people, don't play it, it's a waste of your nerves Even in CS, there's nothing like this
We need the MM that was there before, it wasn't perfect but it was good, WG withdraw from this new MM before it's too late, how many players have left and it's only a moment before the next ones leave

We wanted a new MM anyway, but not like this, if this is what it should look like, we want the old MM back

I recommend watching this video https://youtu.be/GFKWuRALW6A?si=CPeGgCtZQIYzQpv7

maybe droodles is specific but he said everything that needed to be said in this episode
Get out of this while there is time

It wasn't perfect with the old MM but it was quite fun to play and it was fun but now it's a joke

and if not, people, all we have to do is wait for the official premiere of Tank Company

[plush gate]

Also when anggael gets unironically frustrated about the mm yk that is seriously wrong

[somber vale]

Yes it's true
As I wrote, we don't need a new MM, we want the old MM back

The only thing that needs to be fixed in MM is that there is a balance between tanks in the team

in my team 3 meds and in the opposite team we need it 3 meds

We all know that WG doesn't really listen to the community, but in this case they have to listen to us and they have to change this MM to the old one, otherwise I thank you and go back to Tank Company

[small tendon]

I hope it wont take them 1 year to realize that new mm is trash but considering missiles incident i dont have my hopes up

[west zinc]

the only way they even think of reverting the change is if enough people decides to take action and stop playing/spending otherwise they don't really give a damn about what you think

[rustic echo]

WG certainly knows and monitors revenue precisely. What we are not hearing here is noise from the players benefitting from the fxed mm. WG will be watching their spending habits closely as they are no doubt thrilled that their win rate is increasing since WG notified in game that MM Has Been Fixed!

[somber vale]

You're right, they said they wouldn't remove the missiles, but they removed them and left them on the racks, so it's OK

But MM needs to be changed now!
WG listen to us, we don't want a new MM, ask us if we want that and we'll let you know, we wanted a new MM yes

But it's not introduced in this way, back out of it, admit that you messed up and that's it, everyone will make mistakes, nothing will happen, I'll even forgive you, I've dropped from 71.40% to 71.28% since the new MM.

[west zinc]

Not happening soon, it would take at least until next game patch/update.

[small tendon]

@somber vale they will revert it imo for sure but it will be probably too late as wg tends to do these things super slowly

[shadow jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/car-kick-rekt-gif-5085534

[somber vale]

It may be in the new update, no problem, but they need to change it

I won't play it until the new MM comes back

This is the first time that I have to write so much on this server but I feel confused after this new MM
I know that many people think that this new MM is tragic, many people leave the game

A lot of people are afraid to write about it, but if something is bad, it has to be talked about, I'm not afraid of getting banned for it.

[echo spindle]

after 8 years playing this game .. im leave

[somber vale]

Buddy, if MM doesn't change, we'll leave too

I hope to see you at Tank Company

[midnight spindle]

Why is this in ranked??? Please disable it

[somber vale]

More players now think the same way to give this game a break

WG appeals once again. Give us back the previous MM

[echo spindle]

Indeed, my friend, I will really go there
It is not fair that after all these years and hard work to raise my account and my statistics, this company comes and wastes all my work at my expense. I truly regret my money and my time that I wasted in this game, which is going from bad to worse, and in fact, if they do not change this farce, I will be deleted to I will never recommend it to anyone, ever.. It has become clear
Money and the only thing that matters to them is money

[thin dove]

4 battles in a row where I do above 4K damage in tier X and still lose

This is just beyond frustrating knowing I had teammates barely knowing how to drive their tank

[somber vale]

I've been playing the same way for 8 years, I have so much money left that I could buy a new Audi from the showroom and I also agree that WG only cares about money and not the good fun of the community

and there is no point in creating new accounts because what will you do if you have more than 5K battles? it will still be the same as now whoever agrees, let him writeWG appeals to you to give us the old MM

So let's protest

Give back the previous MM WG!!!!!

[echo spindle]

Indeed, we are old in the game, and I do not think that this game will achieve anything without us. I think it is better for us to come together to boycott the game and enter until the solution is reached, if you are keen on the effort that each of us has made at your expense, not to mention the money and time... if we do not appear. If they see how upset we are, they will get used to it, and this is actually what happens

[urban geode]

bieles_ has been warned.

[modern swan]

wsg

[somber vale]

Exactly as you write, my friend, either we or no one has to do something about it

Nice that you're also from R1SK

Give back the old MM WG!!!!!!

[echo spindle]

agree

[midnight spindle]

fr, after i finish playing the top4 tournament i will never touch this game again until next season, theres no way just no way to win as a 70%er+

[somber vale]

Dude, I know exactly what you're talking about, I also have 70% and I can't play it, it's not worth the hassle

Carbon, I agree 100%.

[echo spindle]

@devout snow I think it is good to convey the voice of all these people to the administration
Believe me, if you lose these people, this game will no longer have any value, and new players will come and leave it as we did. You must understand that the game depends on us. Take care of us.

[midnight spindle]

tolyan has nothing to do with the mm

[echo spindle]

I am not asking her to do anything, but at least our voice should reach anyone, and I think it is easy to convey our voice through her.

[gritty gate]

the best message to be sent to any corporation or any company is the $ decline, unless a massive player outrage brakes loose, otherwise its just the same as spare parts and atgms

remember its not the developers nor the engineering or social media management team behind this, its the team principles and the marketing team and finances that are fueling these decisions

[brittle scroll]

i mean the community was the main reason missiles were eventually removed. there's also some other examples probably that i can't think of right now

with the entire community causing backlash over the mm i highly suspect there will be another change in the future, i can only hope sooner rather than later

[echo spindle]

If that's really the case
I would like to tell you that this is the best tool to kill any success

[urban geode]

bree202 has been warned.

[rain olive]

You can share your feedback but please don't grief the staff, they handle the media side here not game decisions

[devout snow]

Employees read the Discord and see your opinion; it is not necessary to constantly ping all employees. In addition, we are launching polls and other methods of collecting information

[somber vale]

It's nice that you read, so I'm asking on behalf of all the players for the old MM to come back, you can also tell the rest of the people from WG on our behalf, please and thank you

[devout snow]

Your opinion will definitely be heard, but I can't help you any more rn

[brittle scroll]

this is why you should be part of tolyan club 😉

also we should let her focus on her stream with pyroblast

[somber vale]

And you help so much

We, the community, are asking you to do this! for the old MM to come back

Just watch the Drodless movie and you don't need to write anything more

[gritty gate]

so you proved my point, the whales fuel the company

[brittle scroll]

look at my name, just copy that

[somber vale]

I recently started watching it, I understand that maybe I don't like WG, but WG sometimes works for such opinions

But you WG really shot yourself in the foot with this MM

We've been playing this game for a long time, we love this game, so to speak, we like spending time with it, so don't ruin our fun, we're asking you for that.

[somber vale]

Look on my and Carbon nick now

[brittle scroll]

i approve

[dapper ingot]

Salut

[tiny crater]

Wargaming guess what
Wotb rating: going downnnnn hill bc of your matchmaking

[somber vale]

I hope you also have some influence on WG and will also help us get the old MM back

[brittle scroll]

i don't think so, maybe i stand out more but i doubt it

[tiny crater]

Uhhhh

[west zinc]

Just keep voicing your opinion here and it will reach WG eventually, the mods can't do much since it's out of their jurisdiction to make changes to the game directly. It's you the playerbase who needs to keep voicing your voice until WG hears it.

[faint meadow]

Can we have fun with game

[tiny crater]

How is it fair for skill players to get Yolo in bad teams while bad players get good team how does that make it fair that's not fair wargaming

[faint meadow]

Every game is predictable like if i won few matches then i have to face with 10 loss streaks

[tiny crater]

Yesterday the whole day I got 11 lose and 5 wins like bruh

[ocean flame]

what is the first thing ?

[brittle scroll]

probably a check that you actually have the premium pass

it does nothing

[silent igloo]

Bring
Back
Old
Matchmaking

Even though i have to carry 6 baboons even before SBMM implemented, it's become worse than before

[tiny crater]

My winrate has been stuck on %49.84

[faint meadow]

Sometimes it brings match that is nearly impossible to carry

[full arch]

Oh come on.....I wish I got it too

[west zinc]

and that's the way it's supposed to be, I rather have that than whatever the current state of the MM is

[silent igloo]

For real

[tiny crater]

They should have made team equal to eachother so its a fair fight

[midnight spindle]

You can always start trolling in regular mode. If you are botherd that your stats would go down, make a new acc to troll.

[tiny crater]

Other team trolls you they don't care they break through your team and blink of an eye your team is dead

[rustic echo]

Rerolls are useless at the moment. I can't tell that there is any 5K battle limit in force. And all those poor rerolls did all that work so they can have 60%, but not quite play at an honest 50%, and now are teamed with experts 😦

[midnight spindle]

I'd rather join the troll ride than being too stressed out by having trolls in my team

[faint meadow]

I just want to have random goofy game with random teammates, not a guaranteed clown show with ooga booga baboons at least for ten times in raw

[high shell]

Remove skill based matchmaking

[cyan igloo]

If you had listened to all the news about this MM you would know that this update is to see if this new MM makes sense. If statistics and feedback show that it doesn't the next one will see the return of the old one. If, however, it turns out that the statistics and the majority want it to stay (a loud minority can cry about the MM and often does, so this must always be taken into account). Or it will remain half and half, i.e. the old and the new MM divided in half. Such things cannot be determined after a few days of testing. More time is needed. More time to collect the data and to analyse them. If the WG were to act as hastily as you want today, we would have a different MM every week and everything would be completely different and there would always be complaints from some group that is loud at the time.

[remote needle]

I agree.

[west zinc]

I rather carry 6 babs against another 7 babs than carrying 6 babs against 7 hooman that knows what they're doing

[tiny crater]

Imagine if jumbo Sherman was in blitz

[west zinc]

imagine if WG didn't mess around with things they shouldn't touch in blitz

[silent igloo]

I've been matched with 6 40%ers in my team against 4 to 5 50%ers on the enemy team more often.
How
Is
This
Even
Called
Skill
Based
Matchmaking

[tiny crater]

So true

[west zinc]

It's actually called

Winrate
Equalizer
Based
Match
Making

cuz they want to equalize everyone's winrate

[brittle scroll]

guys please don't flood the chat

[gaunt trellis]

one based thing about the mm , 6k battle rerolls with 70% are being rekt 🤣

[thorn island]

A new MM every week? I’m Laughing my 🫏 off at you! Nobody asked for this MatchMaking change! Who the in gods name thought this was a good idea? Whoever approved this needs to be Fired! All it has done is cause a catastrophe! This was the final nail in the coffin for many veteran players! It’s Overwhelming having to undergo such issues with a company who refuses to hear its actual base!

[low cedar]

When was the K2 Heavy tier 8 tank released?

[wide wave]

When did wg ever listened to actual base that knows what the game needs and doesn't need . They just shuffle and pick anything from the top . Without even looking at the repercussions of it in the future

[thorn island]

Can’t agree more

[brittle scroll]

the tank is currently in testing, you may encounter it in battles this update

[full arch]

To be fair the player base did demand a change in the mm
Mostly to fix the large imbalances between teams and the large amount of afks.

So far I did see the amount of afks going down significantly.
But the screwd up teams still persist...wg needs to find a way to tackle this in another way than just the mm.

[low cedar]

Thanks, yeah getting rekt by it in multiple battles. The armor is insane for a tier 8. Nothing to pen but the lower plate

[errant light]

It was… and still technically is. You just can’t get it and don’t see many since it was removed from the tech tree in update 5.5

[high shell]

Tier bellow 8 now unplayable everywhere is premium tank smasher annihilator and other op tanks. Only 2-3 tech tree tanks per macth

[brittle scroll]

i cannot engage further into this sadly because of my supertester status

[tight wadi]

What a shame, when we write the truth and the reality, I am silenced from writing for 24 hours. Why did everyone before and after me say the truth? MM, bad and bad update. We have all been playing for 9 years and 8 years. We have not seen such a useless update.

[brittle scroll]

that's not why you were muted

[tight wadi]

What is the reason? Look at yesterday's conversations

[brittle scroll]

the bot will have dm'd you the reason

[high shell]

I encountered it with 252U not that op just a regular tier soviet 8 premium heavy tank i penetrated with standart ammo lower plate

[low cedar]

no problem. Just was curious, about it, haven't seen it and nothing online about it except the PC version.

[cyan igloo]

you have not understood my message. I didn't evaluate MM I just wrote that it is necessary to give time to collect data and analyse it and what the WG itself wrote before its introduction. I have not written whether I like it or not. In the next month there will be a decision about MM whether it should be the new one or the old one or a mixture. But as I have already mentioned the data collection and analysis is ongoing. If the WG were to proceed as some players today want, we would have new MM and other changes every week. Because some group would complain about something. There is always a group. Usually a smaller one, because most players are not interested in what is going on in the game. Most just want to turn the game on for 1-10 battles and that's it. And with such rapid changes, these groups would change because something wouldn't fit. This is why it always takes time to collect data and analyse it in order to make decisions. You can't make decisions in gamedev based on emotion, because that usually has a bad effect in the long run. An idea may be good, but a small group may be offended, and as a result, most of the game may be abandoned or no one new may join. That is why I mention it again. It is necessary to allow time for data collection and analysis. The next month will show whether this MM will stay or whether it will be the old one or maybe a mix.

[cyan igloo]

From the better players I heard that they want new MM but did not specify. Some wanted a division into those below and above 50% wr. I lean only and exclusively on the issue of changing something quickly when the data are collected. On the issue of hasty change of something under the influence of emotions or under the influence of some group of people. I'm not bent on whether this MM is good or bad, because that is not any of the points of my statement. It is only a transposition to present the changes that can be undertaken under various influences

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[high shell]

(free version)

[severe sapphire]

lol

[gaunt trellis]

really no good player whats a division by mm. Random is good for us. If they got that 50% stratification they wouldnt like it as every game is just a sweatfest( I played quite a few of those games yesterday where all but 2 players were above 50%.

[cyan igloo]

Yes, most may not even fill out the survey. Just remember that discord is not the only place to leave feedback. For example, on dsc the feedback can be negative, and elsewhere positive. Therefore, we need different places for feedback, collect different data (such as player feedback or battle statistics, etc. etc.) and analyze them. That's why, as I said a couple of times, it takes time. You can't change something like this after a few days, because there is not enough data or its analysis. Therefore, please just do not "force" any changes for now just give feedback and wait for the collection of data and their analysis when we know when a decision will be made in this case on the MM issue. The fastest way to change something usually ends badly, and here I see a quick forcing of change

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[fervent lance]

MM is as bad before update. No improvement, seems more like RNG and that is it. For sure I won’t spend any money in this game ever now.

[cyan igloo]

Yes, because my English isn't super good to properly quantify my thoughts. don't want to make glaring mistakes

[low cedar]

How come our profile stats and winrate doesn't reset every season?

[cyan igloo]

Statistics show whether the goal of something has been achieved or not. Whether something has been exaggerated in some direction or not. You do not say that it should be changed now is a fact. I say this to people who are already changed under the influence of emotions now. That's why it's important to collect both data and analyze them. let's say some players say "i'm losing a lot of avg now give buff to tank X now", and statistics show that tank X doesn't need buff, because most players on it have good avg or increase it constantly (this is just an example)

[fervent lance]

And collection of data etc is just smoke and mirror for those who believe there is a real intent from WG to implement meaningful changes

[cyan igloo]

For me this MM is ok as long as stats from 30d and wn8 are taken and groups of players are taken. E.g. there is a player of 63wr then in the opposing group there should be a player of 60-65wr (and not some with higher and lower wr to balance the overall wr) but also with similar statistics such as avg dmg, kills, spot etc. etc.

[low cedar]

I mean just your main profile, like you would see on blitz stars. Rather than having your lifetime winrate, have your past x days

[gaunt trellis]

Both methods are dumb but this way would be even worse because of increasing the mm times

[cyan igloo]

only to be loosened like now when you wait a long time

[low cedar]

yes i know, but that doesn't mean it has to be displayed there on the main page.
People literally create new accounts after learning the game to have a better win rate displayed. I did that

[gaunt trellis]

There is no real loosening now. Its incredibly easy to make sure both teams have similar winrates if there is only 1 super uni in the match. Just give the worst 6/13 players on their team.

[cyan igloo]

Now and so is loosened MM if the time is longer what they explained in the video. On EU the time is similar but on NA and APAC it got longer

[thorn island]

You’re either extremely lucky or just playing at the right time but it hasn’t decreased afks. I can for sure say this with confidence as I had 7 afks today that it did not fix it

[cyan igloo]

The WG at the current MM does not look at wn7 and wn8. If it can't find a game quickly then MM loosens the requirements (according to what WG said in the video)

[gaunt trellis]

Also stratification is terrible. Atleast now I can still somewhat farm if my team doesn't die fast. Infact I might even get to farm a bit more on a few games if I can take an early advantage as the rest of my team dies. If everyone is a 60% the game is boring and sweaty

[low cedar]

people use it as a metric to judge a players performance, and compare them. It is the main stat shown to everyone.
I do not think it is fair that there is no option to display your more current performance.
You continually get judged based on your whole lifetime performance. Even if you get better, it just takes longer and longer to prove that

[cyan igloo]

I would prefer wr forks, avg, etc. etc. rather than the leveling that is in place now. The best forks would be because 5% or 2.5%

btw also the old MM in blitz had 12 levels of difficulty (depending on how many in the series you won). I don't know how it is now

[red glacier]

My beloved wg..fire the person responsibile for the new mm..

[cyan igloo]

https://patents.google.com/patent/US8425330B1/en

[gaunt trellis]

This is literally just tank based limitations

[drowsy pewter]

does your tank explode for being afk??

[low cedar]

yeah was wondering why sometimes a player goes "destroyed" at the end xD

[drowsy pewter]

maybe thats why in the last second the afk gets killed off?

[tiny crater]

Ah

[red glacier]

Is there any official ansver from wg about new mm and this 💩 ?!

[cursive trellis]

some guys said that we should not force a change to the MM just yet and give a feedback instead. So this is my feedback to WG about the MM: its utter trash 🙂 IDK how did you come to the idea of skill-based MM in pub matches, but everyone knows that skill based MM ruins the game... you should have at least taken notes from other games. Truly good job monkeys

[drowsy pewter]

says every seal clubber

[crude iron]

I still have not gotten the quest... is it not for everyone?

[red glacier]

@drowsy pewter u r probably a bot..

[low cedar]

the one for 15 free battle pass levels?
Anyone know what's up with that?

[drowsy pewter]

what you're telling me you don't like rolling teams in an annihilator platoon?

[astral forum]

Only certain people get it for some reason

[crude iron]

wow...

[cursive trellis]

so because I played well and gave more effort to learn the game makes me a sealclubber? there a thing called Ranked lil dude 🙂 you can show your skill there. pub matches are not meant to be toxic tryhard mode where you pick TVPs platoons and clap every game.

[red glacier]

@drowsy pewter dont evin have that tank..and i have dificulties claming x5 on tanks below tier 7 becouse of time in que..playing mosly t10

[crude iron]

all my bros got it... I feel left out

[low cedar]

the people who don't like skill based matchmaking at those who care about their win rate.
I'd be happy to have pubs not effect your win rate, like event modes and have a random mm then.
leave win rate to ranked

[gaunt trellis]

Its not just caring about my winrate. Thats one factor but its also just the fact games are less fun when I dont win. Winning is fun and I play to win matches along with doing dmg/assisting dmg/blocking. Now it doesnt matter how good I am, the simple fact is I can't win more than 55ish%

[low cedar]

but that is completely fair. With a perfect match maker, everyone wins and loses 50%
What is wrong with that?

[sacred belfry]

It's not fair, because if you play better, you deserve to win more; like in every other game

[cursive trellis]

that people who put effort to learn the game (postion, weakspots, spot mechanics, etc.) are punished for trying to improve

[low cedar]

You get rewarded even if your team loses and you do well in ratings

[drowsy pewter]

like what wannabe said people like winning and atm win rate is counted in pubs so of course people seal club in op tanks , whats great about ratings is that i can do 5k damage lose a game and still get points why do we need stats for pubs if they're not accurate ?

[cursive trellis]

imagine a monkey, and his only goal is to ruin game for others. He has 20% WR so the game forces this guy to be in a team with guys who spent thousands of hour honing his skill. in the end the skilled player can only do what is in his power to carry the game but when he is basically 6V7 from the start and he gets another monkey who does 200 DMG then there is no way he is gonna win. if he does then he had to put his soul to win that game. but the bot goes happily to another game. how is that fair? random MM is fair since the bot has a 50/50 of winning. skill-based MM makes him win games he should not have won

[low cedar]

if you play better you win. And if the enemy play better they win. 50/50 Feel free to get better and get matched against better players. Congratulations you are climbing the skill ladder and facing equally skilled players. You are put on an even playing field. Feel free to climb to the top and beat everyone

[sacred belfry]

At this point, I'm now convinced this is troll bait

[sly crystal]

Its not 50/50 when I as a 60% have 5 40% monkeys as team

[marsh hull]

added note that the insane high dmg games doesnt exist anymore when the majority of the players in a match knows the basics and is decent mech skill wise

[cursive trellis]

exactly, 5 50WR is definitely gonna clap my team with me and bunch of my monkeys who learned only two things: camp at spawn, and rush and fire one shell, then go to garage and try again

[low cedar]

so you are complaining that you don't get queued against bad players you can just easily beat?
How do you think the good players feel on that team of bad players that you are beating up? just like you do now, no?

[daring elm]

I believe that this was the intended effect of the new matchmaking but it’s still horrible because if 60% players keep getting matched against each other then realistically speaking they’ll reduce each other’s winrate down to 50%

[gaunt trellis]

Yup only one of the two 60% can win. Let's do an experiment. Say matchmaking is 2 60% players and 12 48% players. In the previous mm there would be a 45% chance both players would be on the same team and that would be a win say 75% of the time. Now its 100% of the time opposing teams

[cursive trellis]

team I can easily beat? Dude what are you talking about? I had hard time carrying the bots even before the new MM. The new MM just makes sure I cant win any game unless I pull up in TVP platoon and rekt every game :////. before the patch, the game was about "teamwork" to some extent. after the patch its about 5 average guys VS 1 skilled guys and his bot army with lifespan of 1 minute into the game

[low cedar]

that is the idea of what the match maker is trying to achieve so it reduces win and loss streaks. Everyone will be at an average of 50% win rate.
Looks bad for those who like farming that win rate, yes

[daring elm]

In truly random matchmaking, say everyone in your team and the enemy team has 50% winrate while you have 60% winrate this means that most of the time you’re the one who advances the game state forward and pushing the result of the match into your team’s victory. Meanwhile, 50% players would carry their weight but not the entire match most of the time and 40% players are either deadweight or a detriment to their team. Pitting 60% winrate players against each other would mean that only one of them comes out on top and they will more or less win against each other 50% of the time and reduce each other’s winrate to 50%

[drowsy pewter]

shot everything and still died

[nocturne inlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8MXTY52DRY&ab_channel=anggael

[small tendon]

[low cedar]

I mean your not wrong yeah, if the match maker can't put teams of decent players against each other, just fills with uhm, yeah not great players. And so it become who can organise and make the most of their team

[cursive trellis]

but you cant organise monkeys bro. They go brrrr and back to the garage. 50WRs at least know how to press SOS button and have some game intuition.

[drowsy pewter]

so true lol

[cyan igloo]

In the old MM one thing surprised me (as I played with a friend 67wr and 2.5k avg). Back then, the team normally rode around the map (if he was the platoon leader), normally won 1vs1, helped, no camping, no afk. They did something in battle (even when he played himself he said he had something like that). And when I played myself he would drive to strange places, they were afk, a mega lot of people from the team if not driving then camping, losing 3vs1, little they could do. And when the new MM was launched, when we exchanged descriptions of the changes in the teams, it turned out that our MM kind of turned around, and literally. I myself instead of making 50-60wr I suddenly started making +75wr while playing alone avg was at a similar level or 2.3-3k, and he +70wr started making 40-60%wr

[daring elm]

Also, 40% winrate players getting matched against other 40% winrate players will only lose against each other 50% of the time which boosts their winrate to 50%. As time goes on, everyone with the new matchmaking will have 50% winrate with vastly different skill levels that don’t reflect in their stats.

[red glacier]

He just dont understand..i think he is just a kid

[cyan igloo]

also have another surprising fact. Earlier I mostly had players 50-60 wr but with avg below 1k (sometimes above) and they couldn't do anything. Now for two days I had players 38-49% wr but with avg above 1k and my big surprise was how well they played. That's why since yesterday I don't judge players by wr but avg dmg. The previous two days made me realize that a 40wr player can be better than a 55wr player (more understanding of the game and doing more in it). For those two days I had the joy of playing random again (earlier I only did missions and played modes).

[drowsy pewter]

good players will still deal more damage and kill more guys?

[gaunt trellis]

Yeah we have actually been keeping our avg dmg pretty similar if we play meta tanks . I'll admit that. I dont get the good players that want to stratify the matchmaking to remove bad players or separate them. That would lead us in the same situation where our winrates are 50% but no more farm either

[fervent lance]

XP boosters x10, X5 etc have made easy and super fast for any player to grind to tier 10. That is one of the reason we have bad teams, new players are not getting the skills and understanding of the game mechanics to play well.
I think WG has put more efforts in the gambling, to sell pseudo OP tanks etc…to get revenue which make sense.
But poor MM makes people leave the game, either you play against nubs and you have easy wins but then it get boring, or you end up in a bad teams and keep losing games after games and end up stop playing.

[daring elm]

Yes. But it doesn’t change the fact that the good players will still have 50% winrate no matter what they do since they’ll either be always matched against other good players or be given horrible teams to compensate for their skills. Meanwhile, bad players will get boosted because they’ll be almost always be matched with good players in their team carrying them or be matched against other bad players in which case it’s pretty much a coinflip on which side wins

[low cedar]

I think players need to focus more on other stats rather than win rate.
And the game doesn't help with that by highlighting win rate in seperate tiers of colors, making it the stat you want to boost the most

[daring elm]

The new matchmaking removes the “random” factor in random battles and rigs the game in favor of bad players and actively screws over good players. Why try to have fun improving at the game when it actively punishes you for doing so by giving you terrible game experience due to matchmaking either making the battle a sweatfest against other good players or making it a one-sided massacre of noobs in your team against decent players in the enemy team

[fervent lance]

Also a lot of players are just rerolling in a new account to start anew and maximise WR in the first 5K battles

[low cedar]

yup

[daring elm]

Your winrate in random battles is directly tied to your impact in matches you participate in. A good player having the same winrate as bad players means that they have minimal control over the games the partake in

[cyan igloo]

But wr is not everything. You have tons of other statistics. Earlier there was excitement about wn8, now wr, and soon probably avg dmg

[fervent lance]

That is so wrong, even if you are a good player and got unlucky in MM then your WR will go down

[cyan igloo]

if i make a career 90% wr on low tiers (say with avg 1.5k) and go high on what reroll am i a good player? Because according to the current news only wr counts and that judges the player. In my opinion avg dmg is more authoritative. It shows what a player actually does in battle. Wr doesn't show that imo

[gaunt trellis]

I dont even play only for winrate. If I wanted to max out winrate I would have had like 1k battles in the type 71 where I averaged 78%

[spice condor]

By your definition I should then sit back of the map in my obj 907 and farm 3k average damage because that would make me a “good” player

[drowsy pewter]

thats what i do

[daring elm]

While average damage is also a stat that is telling of a player’s skill, it still doesn’t really tell the full extent of your impact in the game. Oftentimes, high average damage is acompanied by high winrate for good reason: they are actively trying to influence the flow of the battle into their favor by getting into position to eliminate the most dangerous threats on the enemy team. A good player with 50% winrate and high average dmg vs a bad player with 50% winrate low average dmg however would show that even if you try to get good at the game you can never truly influence the games you partake in since a good player will win the same amount of times as a bad player. Having high average dmg with same winrate as a noob with low average dmg just shows that you sweat your butt off just to win half the time while noobs can just sit back, do no damage and still win the same amount of times as pros

[cyan igloo]

by the definition of many players here, just have 90% wr and do 0 dmg per battle and you are already a good player. A worthy opponent for them. Often campiac will not make that much dmg either.

[cyan igloo]

To me, avg dmg shows that a given player does a lot in battle or a little, or is average. Wr for me does not show that. Players here now judge everything by WR, and dismiss all other stats. These two days of new MM showed me many players who I would call poor, because they had poor wr but did more than players with good and average wr, because they had higher avg dmg. They embraced the game more. The old MM for them was unfair because they sweated and didn't have a good wr from it. Now during these two days maybe they regained the pleasure of the game and noticed that their wr is growing at last

[daring elm]

There’s a saying that goes something along the lines of “you win 40% of the games you play and you lose 40% of your matches while the remaining 20% is up to you”. No matter how good you are there’s only so much you can do and the difference between a 40% player and a 60% player would be found i. the 20% of the games they play in. A bad player would do nothing in the 20% of those games while a good player would be doing what they can to carry the team. A 50% player on the other hand isn’t exactly useless but they also only carry very few games on their back

[spice condor]

Most players prefer to win rather than loose, that’s just how it goes. It’s not fun doing 5k damage and loosing, what’s the point of playing that game then? To do damage and loose? If I don’t try to win there is no point in playing

[daring elm]

The reason why people look at winrate first before other stats is because it’s directly indicative of your impact in the games you play in. Having high dmg doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re doing what you can for your team to win, it simply shows that you’re good at farming damage and that’s it. For example, if a 50% winrate player and a 60% winrate player is limited to doing 3k damage in the battle, the 50% winrate player would most likely just shoot whoever they can to try to do damage while the 60% player would look for the person in the enemy team that will most likely carry them and try to take them out first

[vague lance]

Good day! may I ask where do I find the link for the next stream on LB finals and Grand Finals?

[cyan igloo]

That's exactly what I had on the old MM. That's why I preferred playing modes back then. Now for two days it has changed. According to wr I had worse players in the team but they played better than those with better wr. . Also when I used to meet immor on random it was always their afk player but only in my team. It was and is to this day strange to me why it was like that. Even sometimes one player every battle was. This SBMM will make every player win and lose the same amount so the weaker one will be happy, and the better one should be too, because he has a bigger avg, and he doesn't look at wr (by design probably).

[daring elm]

For example, a 60% winrate player with 2.5k average damage would be more impressive than a 50% winrate player with 3k average damage. Why does the 50% winrate player with higher average dmg than the 60% winrate player look less impressive? Do they go for the important targets? Do they take caps in supremacy to put pressure on the enemy team and take the lead in points? do they actively spot enemy tanks to give intel for the team? Most of the time, it’s the 60% winrate player you see that does these things, not the 50% winrate player

The reason why 60% winrate players have 60% winrate is because they do what they can can to win the game for the team. As said before, you win and lose 40% of the matches you play while the remaining 20% is up to you; 60%ers do what they can to win that 20% while 40%ers do nothing with it and remain at 40%

[cyan igloo]

for me just wr does not show your actual impact on the battle. It only shows how lucky you are in selecting teams. Nothing more. Because battles can be won for you by someone else. I've even already given you examples of players for whom the previous MM was no good, because they had low wr, and they did a lot in battles. This game is all about inflicting damage, without inflicting damage there is a slim chance that you will win. But there are a lot of such cases, where someone with a better avg does battles to those with a weaker avg but a much better wr. Therefore, some players with high wr may have high wr, and a player with high avg and low wr will rather continue to have high avg and low wr. Even if he tries to win, he is unlikely to win alone against 3-5 players, and this is how battles in the old MM often looked like.

For me, not after these two days of the new MM I understood it by observing theoretically weaker players judging them by WR, and they turned out to be better than those I met for many months in the old MM. Generally for me WR is an indicator of luck for MM, and avg is an indicator of skill

[daring elm]

@cyan igloo High average with mediocre winrate simply means that you don’t take out the important targets on the enemy team. A player with lower average but with higher winrate knows who to kill first and that’s one kf the ways they get ahead

[cyan igloo]

I strongly disagree after my experience in the old MM, and I already have a total of 31k battles

[daring elm]

Rng is something that affects all of us, even good players. However, pretty much all of the 60%ers you see have 60% winrate for reasons stated above

[undone pelican]

luck would only affect 48-52%ers

you see how the average 60%+ player performs in combat, they are more skilled than "lucky with teams"

[cyan igloo]

And that's what I've had for the past few months. Exactly the same feeling, because I was hitting theoretically better players if you look at wr but they did nothing in battle. Completely nothing, and I couldn't pull battles by myself or with one other player who turned out to play well in battle. That's why I mostly played modes

[daring elm]

The new matchmaking will make “unlucky” if you’re a good player and gives you “good luck” if you’re terrible at the game

[cyan igloo]

At my place in the battles it was not visible. You could see what I described. That is, the usual luck or getting it in on low tiers. Nothing more. On the higher ones they could not do anything although they had a lot of battles there.

[cyan igloo]

also on my second account where I have 58wr (it is to play with godzilla and su152 on HE) I had the old MM souly different than on the main one. On the main one I had to sweat a lot to win something, and on the second one I just played and won, although the fact I dropped 65% wr. But it is an account for fun and I do not look at it. But the feeling of the game was completely different. Now it is similar although today on the main account something changed and I felt the old MM, and on the second account I haven't played yet today.

With me only in the platoon I had +60wr because then I had the players I had for the last two days. When I was playing by myself I was sweating and miraculously I had 50% wr and I started a decline in wr for a few months though no matter how I sweated. On my own for 3-5 players I couldn't win

was tragic. Seemingly players 50-60wr sometimes even avg above 1k but couldn't find their way on the map even though they had a lot of battles, couldn't win 3vs1, didn't help. Most of the things I had to do, and still often was lost. Although this period what you state I played mostly modes. I played mostly at different hours from 5 pm to 1 am. Sometimes during the week I played 10-14

[daring elm]

How many battles do you have on your second account? There’s a new player matchmaking for players under a certain amount of battles which will match them up more often against other new players and that could be the reason why you have said winrate. I have a second account as well that’s dedicated to just driving the Maus and I have 57% career winrate in it while my main account now has 53.94% (used to be 54.10% before this garbage mm)

[cyan igloo]

9k. I know, there are 3 MM. Preff to 5k, if you have a series of losses you go to others who have a series of losses and the usual

then I had like you now but with players 50-60wr. Also afk, campers and they couldn't do anything. Now I had players 39-49% wr and I was very surprised that they did so much and played so well. I was in disbelief myself and because of that I changed my attitude towards wr and avg. Because earlier I had the same as you

[daring elm]

Also, just taking average damage as the player’s performance isn’t really indicative of their skill. Good players will have high winrate alongside high average damage while average players could have high average dmg but have mediocre winrate

Just taking average damage as the indicator of a player’s skill will not give you an accurate picture of their overall skill level. This would be similar to only taking a look at a MOBA player’s KDA and judging their skill level from it. Yes, they have impressive kda but that doesn’t really mean that they’re a great player. Good players have high winrate to go with high average dmg/kda

[cyan igloo]

and here again comes my experience, which shows other. Would agree if I had the same, and I have the opposite of what you write. If 4 days ago we would have been talking about the same thing I would agree with you, but these last two days have completely changed my attitude when I saw that it is possible to enjoy the game after all, and not sweat to lose

[rustic echo]

The only way to have 60% wr and be bad is to have just crossed 5k games (although I think they trashed that rule now), or be a reroll again passing the old 5k barrier. Now total battles swing from 200 to 100k battles on same team.

[daring elm]

The thing here is that 60% players have 60% winrate because they do what they can to try to win. Now, they can either try or not try and they’ll be stuck at 50% winrate, meanwhile 40% players don’t need to improve to hit 50% winrate

[cyan igloo]

For me OP tank at level 8 is still tiger 2. T77 is completely out of my league and I have no problem beating it

[daring elm]

The new matchmaking forcing everyone to have 50% winrate just says “no matter what you do you won’t affect the outcome of the battle”

[cyan igloo]

As I wrote I would agree with you in this 4 days ago. But the new MM has shown me that this is not the case. I lived in the same conviction as you. Those two days made me realize that I was in a big mistake and I was even more convinced in this by my old MM

[daring elm]

Perhaps you changed your opinion of the matchmaking simply because you’re getting better teammates and going against worse opponents due to matchmaking taking account of your stats

[cyan igloo]

I don't play prof because it doesn't give me fun. When I was a lousy player (more lousy than now) I used to play various tournaments but eventually it stopped giving me fun. I belong to a family of clans where they are high in terms of wn8 on the EU. I would also easily move to a branch that is in the top 5 wn8

[daring elm]

He probably is a subpar player benefitting from the matchmaking. As for me, I’ve been getting matched with garbage players ever since the update dropped and it’s not a fun experience at all

[cyan igloo]

the problem is that my team and the opposing team were people below 50% wr and one above 50% wr in the new MM so how do I end up with better people and a worse team when all the stats are similar? Where I am at least top 2 exp and dmg anyway.

[daring elm]

The reason why competitive clans look at your winrate and average damage is because they’re looking at what impact you have in the matches you play in. Just having high average damage isn’t good enough, you also need high winrate to get into most comp clans

[cyan igloo]

just you know how they say everyone looks at their own convenience. I look at mine you look at yours, the worse players look at theirs, the better players look at theirs. Everyone wants the best for themselves, and that's not the way to do it either. I have felt the urge to play the game for many months now. If I didn't make news for the game I would have stopped playing long ago. It just kept me going and gave me fun. The last two days have shown that I can still have fun

[cyan igloo]

so if for me wr is not an indicator and for you avg dmg then maybe it is best to look at average exp? It best shows what someone does in battle, because it is earned just for doing what in battle.

[daring elm]

Yeah. The matchmaking has a pretty big effect on my matches as well and I have to really sweat just to try to get back to 54% and it isn’t fun at all. If it’s this bad for me as a 54%er then it’s hell on earth for 60%ers. Just the other day, there’s someone with 70% career winrate with I believe 2.6k average dmg and he’s gotten 46% winrate and consistently been getting matched against multiple 60% winrate players while mostly getting only 40% winrate players after the new matchmaking dropped

[cyan igloo]

btw general, when I look at our statistics from 30 days, they look similar

[daring elm]

70% career winrate at 30k battles with 2.6k average damage is by no means unimpressive. After the matchmaking dropped however, he only had 46% winrate on the day it went live. Say what you will, but a drop from 70% down to 46% definitely isn’t skill issue on his part

[cyan igloo]

Just also note that if it goes global then something will change in this topic, because no one will be able to play, because no one will simply be at that level. Also we both have different values in the game. For you prof is important, and for me fun of the game and news. We will never come to an agreement that everyone has fun from the game. The only advice is what I opsed earlier what MM or looking at avg exp, which best reflects what someone does in battle

With 30 days wr, avg dmg and kill ratio I have better, the rest you and similar avg tier

[daring elm]

Having to sweat just to be able to maintain our stats is not fun at all. People like to win, it’s in our nature but we also take Ls well so long as it’s fair. In a rigged matchmaker like the one we have now good players need to sweat just to be able to maintain their current stats otherwise they’ll take loss after loss after loss. Nobody likes to lose when the game is setup for them to lose in the first place and the only way to not lose in a rigged game is not play at all

[cyan igloo]

the problem is that 55% wr I already had and I just dropped from it to 53% but then my stats were more crappy. The more I started doing (bigger exp, avg dmg, kill ratio, spot, survivability) the more wr I lost.

[daring elm]

Nobody wants to be a loser just because they’re a good player and is being punished by being given garbage teammates to work with while the enemy team is full of decent players. There’s only so much one person can do and a team of average players will perform better than a team of noobs with one pro player by a long shot

[cyan igloo]

precisely because I was not winning. I had the mindset that WR was the most important. I don't have a good WR then I'm the most dangerous player. Nothing else matters. Those two days with the new MM changed my attitude 180 degrees. This MM has shown me players I would call weak, that they play better than players I would call average/good

[cyan igloo]

also players are that if something does not determine the actual way that you are better recognized by others then they choose some other statistic. Earlier a few years ago wn8 was the most important even if someone played prof (it was even written in the requirements in clans. There was no wr only wn8) Then wn8 was not enough, because it could be easily acquired on tanks, which few people play, so players switched to WR rating. The new MM makes it necessary to switch to something else i.e. avg exp or dmg

[delicate wigeon]

[daring elm]

There’s also a mistake to the way you think there as well. A good winrate isn’t something you chase, it is merely a result of your skills

[cyan igloo]

just not always. For the umpteenth time I repeat that this new MM showed me something different. My stats from back then and now also show it and my old MM. Now some of the better players are experiencing what I had for years, and I am experiencing what they had. Everyone has to draw their own conclusions from this @daring elm

today many players felt the old MM including me. And I mean that literally. When I checked the players' stats they were no longer balanced but again random completely

[daring elm]

I’ve never judged someone based on their wn8 ngl. Though I gotta say, winrate and average damage have always been part of the filter that comp clans use since the dawn of time. There’s a reason why most comp clans you see says “must have X amount of winrate with certain amount of battles and Y amount of average damage with above than Z average tier” (usually something like 2.4k+ average dmg in tier 10 tanks with at least 100 battles and above tier 8 average tier and 60%+ winrate)

I recall some comp clans also asking for wn8 but the above requirements are what I’ve seen in most of them. Having 2.4k+ average is definitely impressive but I don’t think that’s enough to make you a 60% player because the result of the match comes down to way more than the damage you do

[cyan igloo]

Now there is avg dmg and wr. But in 2018-2020 it was not there. What counted was avg tier and wn8, and the number of battles although this did not always. In those years I was strongly interested in prof and wanted to get there. I watched how the requirements of the top clans were changing to know what I needed to improve. You can say that once it was my gaming dream, which did not come true by the lack of fun of tournaments.

[cyan igloo]

That's why I'm talking about avg exp. He is the best. He is the best at telling you what who is doing in battle although it is clear that you get more exp for winning.

[daring elm]

Perhaps that was the standard in your server. Personally for me, those are the filters I’ve seen in most unicum clans I’ve come across like Prammo, Purpl, Grim, Titan, Storm, etc. Those clans needed you to achieve those stats at minimum and expect you to maintain them as well and I’ve been playing since 2015

[fervent lance]

MM is absolutely beautiful, amazing changes following the update

[cyan igloo]

probably 180 degrees, because after 360 degrees I would have the same opinion I have. I've gone over 55% wr once as I've already written and I know what it's like and I know how it was in the old MM. I was raising everything just as the only statistic WR was dropping. Avg kill, avg exp, avg dmg, avg spot, survivability etc etc etc all went up. Just not WR. Fact it is not a solution but it shows how players from different stat ranges feel (at least some of them). Some 60% wr was achieved by luck, and some by skill. Also, once good players (when I had contact with a large number of them) told me that when they look at how I play, and what stats I have, something doesn't fit, that I should have much higher (when we played platoons or I asked what to improve by looking at how I play with a given tank, for example).

[past crag]

@echo crater does it make sense to wait for carro in the store in the next few months?

[tiny crater]

I'm not playing normal matches untill that horrible matchmaking gone

[daring elm]

This here is my daily winrate in Blitztars. Before the update it’s more or less around 54%~ ten days before the update (53.86% to be exact though that was because I’ve been grindng unfamilar tanks). The day update dropped I have less than 40% winrate and teams have been been very very bad which made me doubt that the new matchmaker was delayed a day after the update

Teammates just sitting at or very close to the spawn, nobody pushing forward and taking positions while the enemy just crossfires us and we evaporate in a couple of minutes. Never have I seen matches before where the match is as good as lost in the first twenty seconds of the battle and there was nothing I could do at all to salvage the situation. I push and I make myself a target for the entire enemy team while they’re all hulldown with no viable targets for me to shoot at while my team just sit in the open near or at spawn like a bunch of idiots focusing on making their brains even smoother

[echo spindle]

I would like to understand why my opinion was deleted? I didn't curse, I just spoke my opinion
Excellent, losers

You are already going into the abyss

[stable pebble]

Incredible.

[rain olive]

Today I was getting teams stacked against me and getting punished for playing well, win-rate shows a metric of how important a person is to their team. I have won just shy of 63% of all battles I have been a part of under random circumstances. To call that just luck is such a weak excuse.

Things have gotten a little too newbie friendly to the point that the game is becoming bland

play a heavy or lose

don't have fun or else lose

now if you play at a level high enough you play every match fighting to just carry

There is nothing fun about this

bad players have and will always remain bad without effort on their own part

Changing matchmaking just punishes anyone competent

have you read my username

[echo spindle]

It doesn't matter even if you block me
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, more than 10,000 of the most prominent players will leave the game
Go where you are going

[plucky osprey]

actually the mm is su*ks, but it has nothing to do with tolyan bruh, u don't need to mention sb here

almost players agree with ur opinion

[midnight spindle]

Now is good time to stop caring about WR and use heavy tanks to snipe in TD bush. Watching team falling within 1 ~ 2 min while farming dmg is the hidden beauty of wotb

[tiny crater]

I'm in su-130PM in Mad game dealt 3,980 and 5 kills

[fervent lance]

Played say 50 games since update, and loss after loss. I don't mind to loose a battle when it is a fair game, but i am say 7 games out of 10 in the losing team because of AFK, bad players etc then you wonder why bother. I am done with this game, and I won't be surprised if this game goes bust sooner or later.

[mighty crystal]

At this point just give up and play wows or any other things lol I have no faith anymore

[tiny crater]

Wargaming for God sakes just stop messing with matchmaker your ruining it you made it worst

It's not fair you should have made the team equal It's not equal teams to teams 20/80 really wargaming I still love playing blitz even if it's bad now bx of matchmaker we just wanna play and have a fair fight you didn't make it fair you made it even worst

Matchmaking is unfair you get sent with bad team while other team is 1000x better at the game charging at your Team then what happens your team is dead in blink of an eye

[fervent lance]

Whatever tier I play, same outcome a loss, I am done with WG rubbish

and more, this is not even funny

[thick fractal]

That's not good

[vernal kestrel]

just normal mm, no surprise there 😡

[fervent lance]

More players will quit, less $ for WG

[thick fractal]

Bruh that may be

[haughty mountain]

Time to quit Blitz ,its unfair to players, Random players are getting Battlepass quest ,Not All including me

[night river]

mm has just been odd to me, used to average 75%, after update dropped to 55%, then suddenly tonight went 4k average 100% for 10 battles again

[icy shale]

guy
where do i send the idea to wg ?

[fervent lance]

No where because they don't care unless it is like another gambling terrific idea to steal more money

[full arch]

I need my BP qwq and coins

[hazy prism]

No need to send cuz WG never gonna hear it anyways

[small tendon]

[full arch]

OK what gives , did they perform fun containers again?

8 containers and it only gave me 1m credits , 20 boosters and 1 day premium.

Usually you'd get a schematics every other container or so

[sullen forum]

Why does it say everywhere especially blitz off discord that,
March 10: Lower bracket finals and Grand Finals.

You can find links for the next streams in this article or in the WoT Blitz Discord channel.

            [Discord-link was here]

But still I can't find any schedule anywhere, all I see vids which points to that the tournament is over... Can someone pls link or msg me where to find the times and streamers links?
As you can see blitz official website doesn't even tell... O.o

[hexed parrot]

https://youtu.be/P8MXTY52DRY

[pseudo crescent]

This is the 2nd day I'll show up here and I have to say uhm...The matchmaking is not looking good at all. I played my favourite tanks which I always play, Badger and VK 90. Not bad tanks by any means. I did so incredibly horrible on account of the fact that teammates sit behind me?

Okay, that's fine. Night Games, y'know? I roll around for 30 battles in an STB, and my WR lands on 49%. I am a 60% player, and I averaged 50% WR for that session. That number is not a good sign. It tells me the matchmaking works, definitely, but it also tells me I have zero autonomy on how the battle goes.

A win or a loss is no longer likely even if you do 6000 damage which in the past, essentially guaranteed a win. Now, it is seemingly impossible, regardless of scenario, to be the difference.

I had an IS-7 sit in a TD bush on Rockfield. I used the most annoying sound, the "Let's Attack!" to get him to move 3 times. He did not move. When he did, he shot HE exclusively. There is literally nothing I can do in my power to stop these people from showing up in my games. I'm very worried.

[crimson mauve]

Exactly ! And since the possibility for good players to have any influence on the battle after the end MM is minimal, we might as well quit playing

[midnight spindle]

when is the next 10 march wargaming stream?

[pseudo crescent]

You can find out in the Feed on the website. For NA, though, it's 9pm, therabouts.

[pseudo crescent]

Seriously tho. What is it going to take? 9000 damage per battle for a likely win now? This matchmaker was made to make games longer. Games are shorter. That's not a joke, either. Players are running to their deaths repeatedly. There is no time for me, or any person who's experienced to hurt and kill before the game ends.

I've never seen this type of player behavior before. Especially not at tier 10. Aren't players like that supposed to make their way into the "bad at game" Matchmaker? What on Earth is going on?

[mighty crystal]

I spammed that button whenever possible to get them to move but they just won’t. Is-7, maus and even mino just vibing in the corner

[pseudo crescent]

And this is exactly why it was never about the matchmaker, it was always about player behavior. Anyone who ever complained about the matchmaker, in my opinion, was being superstitious at best, deflecting blame on a normal day, ignoring facts at worst.

I genuinely don't know what to do anymore. Why play Regular when losing is no longer up to me? Ratings you can still gain points on a loss for performing well enough, but like I said- There is no autonomy on whether or not I can help my teammates get points, too.

[mighty crystal]

Aaaaa, I will stop playing the games until War gaming do something right about this
It's just frustrating

[forest aurora]

i got a 12 losing streak in rankings (22 in total)

[pseudo crescent]

Me too. I gotta take a break. I'm not even mad at WarGaming for making this change. I'm really not. There are people every other game complaining about WarGaming's matchmaker. And to what end? This? I still don't know if this change applies to quick tournaments and registry tournaments but I can only assume since it was never stated, it doesn't apply. That is the one place it should apply. People ready and willing to show their metal, usually in clans or just friends playing to get better or have fun, and it doesn't apply.

Hopefully they see that this change was a net negative for the experienced players and revert it cus I just cannot accept 50% guaranteed.

[mystic horizon]

Hey, is there any possible way to complete Fan Draw event? Or should i buy just Conteiners for 100coins?

[loud brook]

nobody can finish the draw
decide if u wanna test ur luck or just buy the crates

[pseudo crescent]

You can't complete it?? Bruh..I was planning on showing up but now it's giving me a bad taste in my mouth.

[forest aurora]

@echo crater any 777 II draw coming soon btw ?

[midnight spindle]

I bought the containers x4 & just received 23 premium days, better then nothing ig.

[loud brook]

damn

[crimson mauve]

I really admire your effort to explain this guy how the game works.. he won’t get it..
You are SO right.. seeing a lot of damage farmers at “low WR” doing a lot of damage, because they don’t play their tank in support of the team, or the way their tank is strong.. I completely agree with you.. constantly being active, scanning the map, selecting targets, and so on is what makes a good player. Not sitting in the back farming..

[iron pewter]

So basically I’m gonna quit this game till WG gets their brains together and fires whoever made up this brilliant idea of an mm. Play your own game and realise what you just did. Rewarding good players with even worse teams is just a stroke of brilliance. You really know how to keep your crowd. No wonder even the comp scene is dying.

[urban geode]

fat_basturd was banned.

[hexed parrot]

lol...my comment was just deleted! that is brilliant customer service wargaming team!

lets start a review storm on steam for this wonderful game, shall we?

[plucky rune]

this game is worse and worse, i really love to play, but with those players who can barely aim and dont have more than 45% its just unplayable ngl

[young path]

My experience about the matchmaking is conflicted.. I've been noticing that there can be easily as much as 100k. Difference in battles played between teams (combined) And those who have over 60% Wr have all been under 1000battle players.
However in my point of view that inequality goes both ways and under thousand battle players has been distributed to both teams quite evenly.. So I have no complaints of the renewed MM.
My observations includes only Rating matches with tier VIII tanks. The good thing is that in Ratings you can get points from losing (as someone pointed out) and the funny thing is, that couple of times I've been getting more points on the losing side than majority on the winning side ..

[plucky rune]

do you know that ranked mm is still same as before?

[young path]

Oh. Well I didn't know and in that case I apologize the spamming..

[plucky rune]

no problem, new mm is only in public games, where it is just unplayable, i had 18 lose streak yesterday

[young path]

I've been playing few normal matches with tanks where my crew experience isn't 100% yet and now that you mentioned that the new mm concerns only those I have to say I can't remember the last time when my team won.. Just today I played one game and our team was wiped out before I had fired five shots 😂

[plucky rune]

i had concept with 70 battles 2.8k avg and 76%, now i have concept with 96 battles, 2.7k avg but 53%, that is wild

[flint thunder]

After update I play on tier 9 against 10. ALWAYS! Can this MM bring variety in game?

[rustic echo]

Yes 53% is the new 76%. If wg leaves this as is for an entire update cycle, they may as well leave it as the new normal because so many stats will have changed. All those rerolls with artificial high <5k game advantage suffering the most now.

[echo spindle]

welcome to wotblitz 🤣

I feel sorry for you

[midnight spindle]

Wargaming has effectively killed their game. As a 70% WR player well done WG you’ve just lost a player

[loud brook]

If they won’t listen to Angga,Droodles,others smaller ytbers and the entire community
idk what else can we do

[urban geode]

noob_the_no__1 has been warned.

[split dagger]

I see this situation is going to be exactly like sheridan with homing missiles... maybe take a break for now and come back a few updates later when random matchmaking is reinstated

[loud brook]

still wanna contribute here and there for my clan with the mission
but yeah i c what u trying to tell me

[mighty crystal]

I think War gaming is making their games appeal more to esport and hard-core players. Every match is a sweat fest like valorant or lol

[granite pawn]

When will we get KV-1S M3?

[astral forum]

you know it’s bad when anggael is mad

[granite pawn]

At least you got what you wanted. That's what gambling is. Pay to get/for nothing

[loud brook]

like,compare his “Welcome to WoTB Asia” series to this
this anger is different,1 is amusing
this is…desperation

[finite lake]

When will we get the Swedish National Crew Voice?

[rustic echo]

They may not remember how to get back to original; programming doesn't seem overly disciplined. Beside who do you know that ever fully admits they were wrong? All companies' management thinks they are nearly perfect only held back by the rabble 🙂

[lyric thorn]

Stop spamming the video if you don’t want to get muted.

[midnight spindle]

2.7k average dmg in tier 8 but 19% wr looks savage. It would be nearly impossible if it's in pre update unless fixed his battles on purpose

[blissful basin]

I can’t anymore with this matchmaking, I am done with the game, I will return if they change the matchmaking again but this is absurd

[fervent lance]

Boycott WG until they listen to the community

[cyan igloo]

you just described my old battles 🤣

[cyan igloo]

only when I see the descriptions in the better players in the new MM I see 1:1 my old MM from before the change. I had no joy then either, I had to sweat to lose anyway because I was left alone on a couple of enemies. You now feel what I felt for a few months, and I feel what you felt for a few months

[cyan igloo]

to be honest, SBMM is in fortnite there too there was such a stir as we have now. It was also said that good players were leaving the game. Epic didn't give in and you can see the results. The number of players is growing and the good players are still playing. Is it a different community? Yes. Can it go differently here? Yes Can it divide in the same way? Also yes. Here the company has to recalculate everything and see how it actually changes. Because a lot of players may say that they are stopping playing now, while in reality they are still playing only complaining saying that they are no longer playing. It is all a very complex process

[cyan igloo]

The high wr on the old MM was mainly playing with a friend in a platoon who had 67wr and 2.5k avg. The first day of the new MM a big part of it was also playing in a platoon with this player, and yesterday alone and feeling back to the old mm

[midnight spindle]

back than I played fortnite a lot, but when they introduced it I stopped playing. But look at the numbers. Fortnite is much less popular than back than. But it is complicated. It had much more factors not only the matchmaking

[woeful spade]

Fortnite is battle royale, not team based. This means that for sbmm, only the enemies can be improved. This means the general competence of players is comparable. Having a higher competence in battle is generally admirable and even wanted by some players.

However, within a team game the correction goes two ways, the first is making the enemy team stronger (increased competence in game) or making the allied team worse (decreased competence in game). Now, making the allied team worse does something nobody wants; lower competence in general and the feeling that your team is letting you down

[tiny crater]

Poor anggael now hes T77 winrate at a 19% good job wargaming

[cyan igloo]

fortnite recently had some kind of record as I recall

[cyan igloo]

but you also have team modes such as duo or trio.

Yes last year there was a record of players. The most players in six years were @midnight spindle

[midnight spindle]

I dont play it any more. Sometimes I go back and look how game changed, but it is not as fun as before. But in fortnite the bots are the most annoying. I had around 2-3 killbefore bots and 10-12 sometimes even more. It was really annoying. It was really boring to make 10-12 kill games without even being good at game.

[cyan igloo]

the weaker you were the more bots you had according to SBMM

Also regarding this record, the most 6million players played at one time and 45million players played in one day

[midnight spindle]

Wot blitz did the opposite thing

[thin dove]

Please bring back the old MM, I have been losing all of my games despite doing very high amounts of damage
The game has become literally unplayable

[tiny crater]

Does wargaming care?

[thin dove]

I guess once enough players stop spending $ on the game they will have to care

[tiny crater]

I'm only playing game modes non change still get lost

[fallow vault]

WDYM with the new matchmaking I never died in my Sokada T-45
SBMM is good if you Decrease you winrate, then push Super OP and Meta tanks onto extreme unicum matchmaking, and then you win

[mighty crystal]

💀

[pseudo crescent]

Yes but typically only for you. Your mates who watched you deliberately and competitively dive-bomb your WR into the ground over an unspecified amount of battles suffer.

The less experienced players who have to now deal with your 4D Chess seal clubbing also have to deal with your Meta tank spam.

[lunar trail]

so in other words u need to decrease ur stats to have good matches? 💀

[fallow vault]

That's kinda what SBMM is

[safe ridge]

when you're a 40 or 50% it's easy

[lunar trail]

bro a lot of people will leave/ planning to quit 💀 the old mm is way better than this sbmm isnt needed that can be in ratings

[fallow vault]

Better to do that since it will send a message aswell

Newbies, don't upgrade to tier x stupidly fast and make your good teammates suffer
So ima seal club those matches to prevent those guys from ever reaching tier x

[icy birch]

well i am fine more loses but in a good way playing against better players who knows what they doing

[daring elm]

I honestly just hope that the devs for WoTB actually takes a clue and realize just how bad the mm is and listen to the playerbase and not follow the mismanagement from the World of Warships dev team

[cyan igloo]

platoon with player 67wr and 2.2k avg

[pseudo crescent]

It has never been easier in Blitz for people to make it to tier 10. You, or a team of 50 (I.e. an entire clan) could not stop even 1 person from successfully getting to tier 10 unless you stoped them from playing the game entirely.

Also- the message you’re talking about has been poorly received by Blitz in the past with similar situations. Clans cheat or rig games during clan events. The comp scene has had ghost teams designed to give specific Clans easier battles. If WarGaming sees a widespread pandemic of people deliberately worsening the game, they won’t say “Why are they doing that?” They will say “Let’s make their lives harder.” In fact, I think that’s how this new MM came to be. People did something bad like complain about a system that was never broken incessantly, and here we are :(

[loud brook]

we don’t talk about WoWS
the CVs,subs,tier 11 bs and gimmicks.

[pseudo crescent]

What the..? What does World of Warships have to do with Blitz, exactly?

[daring elm]

Yeah, people complaining about matchmaker when the issue lies in noobs not learning the game enough before they get to the high tiers

[pseudo crescent]

And you can’t blame the alleged noobs, either. They found something that worked to climb the ranks, and they did it. There are people who don’t even know spall liner is a thing and yet they’re rocking out with their Grilles.

If there was a way to make these things painfully obvious, and these very same noobs would stop complaining about a matchmaker that did its job, then there wouldn’t have ever been a consideration for whatever we have now.

Seriously. Why do people even complain about mismatched tank types? If you were in a perfectly symmetrical game, every single game, that would be boring. I wanna have 1 less med and replace it with a TD. It adds depth.

[tiny crater]

Is wotb coming to the end now because of the matchmaking

[pseudo crescent]

Seems that way. If Anggael of all people would be as upset about this recent change, I fail to see how anyone else can enjoy themselves for much longer when the reality of the situation finally sets in.

[tiny crater]

You can hear how angry anggael was with wargaming

[pseudo crescent]

I wanna know what this so-called “bad at game” matchmaker would even be. Just how bad do you have to perform to make it there?

I only ask this because I have seen some horrible horrible players both on my team and the enemy team. They apparently don’t qualify for that separate matchmaker tho. So what’s really going on here?

[tiny crater]

Funny how pros say how bad we players are and call it a skill issue now they see how we feel

[loud brook]

lose streak,then u are in a lobby full of clanless,camoless tech tree tank players that are 40% and below

[urban geode]

bree202 was muted.

[pseudo crescent]

You speak of yourself pretty low. Have some more confidence. Also, any pro bad-mouthing you for your performance is undeserving.

The general consensus is at tier 10, if you cannot muster 2000-2400 damage per game, you’re worse than the average player. Anyone saying anything else is being mean.

I don’t think a pro sees the world from the lens of a non-skilled player. I think it’s actually quite the opposite because no skilled player actually wanted the Matchmaker to change.

[tiny crater]

Tier 10 battles are bad

[west zinc]

And how is that? if tier 10 is bad then so are all the other tiers. Tier 10 is by far the most balanced tier when it comes to tank types and variety, it's also the most competitive when it comes to individual skill regardless of tanks because lots of experienced and well knowledge players play at that tier

[tiny crater]

Meh I play 8 and before the update came I was doing good

[pseudo crescent]

That just sounds like purgatory. I get that some players, especially the inactive ones, and the toxic trolls deserve to be there, but a troll can only get there by losing many games. An inactive player will get there by eventually losing so many games they’re sent there.

Why give us the ability to report bad behaviour, and then make a sort of hellscape that you get sent to not for being reported and being found to be at fault, but for going on a losing streak..? Wh..

[west zinc]

And I play tier 10 almost exclusively before the update came and I was doing great. But now everything's ruined, I tried multiple tiers from 8 9 to 10 and none of them I have a great time playing

[pseudo crescent]

3.8k dmg at tier 8 for the loss. That’s two full hp heavy tanks murdered, give or take a few variants like the VK 168, and it’s still a loss.

Tier 10. 3.7k dmg and a loss. I did that one in my STB. There are more 7-0 games, and 0-7 games alike than ever before .-.

I will say it yet again, the new matchmaker was designed to stop this. It failed.

[west zinc]

If anything I think this update made it worse, I've been getting more one-sided battle than before. Their reasoning of "The new MM is making it more fair and competitive" is an absolute lie. It's ruining the fair and competitive spirits even more than before.

[pseudo crescent]

I agree…With the both of you. There is simply no helping the current situation. And again…I really do feel for WarGaming. They made a gamble by changing a system as old as the game itself. They wanted it to be positive, but it was not.

I sincerely hope that they are able to revert it or get it right next update. It has to be next update.

[willow rivet]

Well, WG is going to base their decisions based on data it collects; it will not just be a few days worth of data, but likely a couple months, I would think; after which then changes will be evaluated, etc ...
Something along those lines, so I would not expect anything as far as " it has to be next update "

[west zinc]

A developer who tries to make a "gamble" when changing core fundamental building blocks of their game is a bad developer. WG is no indie developer, they have the resources and manpower to actually test their updates rigorously before putting it on the live server. I don't feel bad at all for WG, they made this change consciously and deserves every bit of constructive criticism that came their way.

The only thing they could do is maybe revert the to the old MM system as soon as they can. This MM changes are gonna have long lasting impacts on the game and I don't think that impact is gonna be a positive one.

[pseudo crescent]

Dam. Here’s to Update 10.7, then. And possibly 10.8 like Acrisis said 💀

[west zinc]

This is such a helpful article, so WG did know exactly what they're doing and still put the SBMM on the live server knowing it's impact on the game. They didn't gamble at all, they intentionally did it knowing that it will hurt the game. Imo they 100% deserves the backlash.

[late mural]

Every time they ”fix” the mm it gets worse

[west zinc]

WG is just the king of ruining things that are fine the way that they are

[full elm]

they did it, because when the win rates eventually level out there won't be as much disparity between players winrates the 65%er will boost the 45%ers up and the 45%ers will drag the 65%er down. Eventually the 'ratings' will mean nothing and give a false sense of ability to the unskilled. they shouldn't even call it 'skill based' matchmaking cuz its not. it's an average of percentages matchmaker. What they need is a better P.I. system (performance index) like so many other competitive games. Each tank has a power index and matched to another tank with equal power index. This is skilled based. Not some win/loss percentage matchmaker is not skill based it's 'equality' based which is the same equality ruining more than just Blitz.

[loud brook]

i wanna see if we do the same like how the WT community did so that they finally have FPE and lowered fix cost

[late mural]

Fr

[rain olive]

I'm seeing 0 logic applied here

[cyan igloo]

there is no logic but these are my feelings as I played the old and new MM and as I read the opinions of better players. As if these better players had the MM that I had, and I have their

[rain olive]

We never had better MM

We adapted

And this was a non-competitive type

[tiny crater]

Bring back old mm

[rain olive]

Now every match is a competitive match for us

[full elm]

trying to use 'battle royale' matchmakers on 'team battles' will never work

[eager kestrel]

You really pissed me off wargaming, cause i ussually go at 59% and i am going 13% winrate in 60 battles cause of your dumb and idiotic update!!!!!!

[rain olive]

"You shouldn't have fun because I couldn't adapt." Is some misguided vindictive behavior

[tiny crater]

What sucks more, tryna do clan missions but you can't get any mission's done bc of horrible matchmaker

[eager kestrel]

Awfull team!!!

[tiny crater]

There always bad

[eager kestrel]

awful teams

[tiny crater]

World of tanks coming to an end if they don't get there problem fixed

[west zinc]

based on this statistics I don't think the word "Every match is a competitive match" is correct anymore, it's less competitive than before. People say "Just adapt" adapt to what? losing more than before? I thought the whole point of "Team based game" is to win?? Why should I force myself to adapt to being put in an unfair matchmaking just because I'm better than the average player? The whole punishing player for being good is not making the game more competitive. It discourages people to win and get better win ratio.

[eager kestrel]

THe team i got just camped for the whole game!!!

[fading bough]

Guys wargaming is never gonna listen to y'all, they never do. They don't care about your opinions or anything.

[tiny crater]

It's like wargaming let Hitler fix matchmaking lmao

[small tendon]

[west zinc]

The only way to get them to actually take action is to hurt them when it hurts and stop playing/spending money on the game for now.

[wispy glacier]

Wargaming, fix your damn chat, I literally can't see what I'm saying or I can't even talk to others when I'm in platoon, fix it now.

[tiny crater]

Imagine what it was like Back in the old days of blitz

[wispy glacier]

It was fun and normal, there was no try hards ( @tiny crater I don't see a difference with the match maker)

[tiny crater]

Wonder if wargaming can reset matchmaker lol

[tight wadi]

I told you before that the game is heading to the slope

[stuck brook]

You need to fix this matchmaker

[tiny crater]

Wargaming gotta fix alot of stuff

[wispy glacier]

Yeah true, also I haven't really noticed much with the matchmaker, it's still a 30/70 win percentage

[stuck brook]

I've been seen alot more 49% wr in my teams and alot more 55%+ on the enemies team

[tiny crater]

My wr has been stuck on 49 since new update highest my wr increase was to 49.92%

[midnight spindle]

Use floating keyboard in settings. That's the only way to deal with blitz' troll for now

• Daily stats of HisRoyalFatness after the improved MM -

[urban geode]

.revoltic has been warned.

[small tendon]

[bronze quarry]

50% wr with 4.7k avg at tier 10 and 3k at tier 8, probably the best player on the world right now. gg wg

[royal kraken]

whos this

[bronze quarry]

ufpnjh

[cobalt shadow]

the matchmaking wasn't good, but this is even worse

[pulsar oyster]

I thought it only happened to wot blitz not lesta

[bronze quarry]

he plays on eu

[pulsar oyster]

Ah i see yeah its already doomed

[tough kite]

jj

[wispy glacier]

I am NOT using that 🙏

[stiff ember]

Wargaming, please give us back the previous matchmaker!

[tiny crater]

Wargaming when tour bring back previous matchmaker

[somber bone]

You`re doing 4k damage per fight, and your teammates are doing a total of 2k damage for 6 people...

[lunar trail]

Cant we all just put a hashtag in our names and say bring back old mm?

[proud stump]

I have been waiting for the quest for several days since the first news about its appearance. So far I have not received anything. I asked all my friends and they said that they had already completed it. Write to support or wait a few more days?

[fathom dune]

It was random

[brittle scroll]

you either got it or you didn't, not everyone received the quest. they're personalised

[full arch]

I feel you ,my entire clan has it xD but I dont

[wild badge]

hey quick question all of my X and XI tiers that were gold are now blue so i dont get any more money
somebody w the same issue?