tourneys-discussion

[knotty tundra]

To get to an actual conversation, what exactly is round robin?
I heard its the same as double elim, but not exactly. So what are the differences?

[tepid trout]

Round robin is everyone playing everyone in the group. Double elim is just faster and arguably better

[fallow turret]

For some formats. Round Robin definitely has its benefits

[tepid trout]

Well yes, every format has its advantages and disadvantages, main difference between these 2 is the amount of time they take

[empty phoenix]

Genuinely good to see the name might be getting changed. Players came up with some great alternatives!

[gusty topaz]

When will next season start?

[alpine shard]

Pinned messages: exists

[summer ibex]

"Blizzard" is such a generic thing though... I don't think anyone can have legal rights over a specific word. If someone specifically had "Blizzard Tournament" on a game, then yeah, they might, because that's more specific, but just "Blizzard" isn't enough for it to be an issue if there's no exact "Blizzard Tournament" replica anywhere.

Take "water," for example. Nobody can copyright that. But there ARE products called SmartWater, and Fiji Water, and such, which WOULD be issues. I really don't see the issue with "Blizzard Tournament"

[wicked pasture]

No

[grand pumice]

You forgor about their forename, Activision

[fluid pilot]

^

[thorn shale]

Rolling has a point, Blizzard in a video games esports context could get messy although I doubt MS could give two hoots about WG running an esports tournament that collectively pays out half the salary of a shelf stacker to 30 people...

Re: SEO it is interesting. Using a term like blizzard would link to blizzard studios and that could hinder or boost search results.

@grand pumice and ofc head of MS1 is former Activision big wig.

[iron crater]

Having a company based on a word, say Tesla, doesn’t invalidate the use of the word anywhere else, just because there’s a company named Tesla doesn’t mean you can’t use the word Tesla anywhere else (like say Clash Royale Tesla), an English word is still a word

[summer ibex]

exactly ^

[thorn shale]

Yes but context is also relevant. A copyright infringement is usually based on the pretext of imitation (linked to benefitting from claimants brand etc.)

@latent olive would know more but for sure.

Blizzard is a games developer that has a significant foothold in the esports sector.

Using the word 'Blizzard' in an esports context could arguably be grounds for copyright infringement. Maybe. Maybe not.

Rolling was probably alluding to that possibility as just not being worth it for WG. Aye it would sound great. But there's loads of other names you could give it that would be less potentially problematic.

If you Google blizzard tournament you get Blizzard Tournaments. If you Google Blizzard Cup you get an ice hockey tournament.

That's messy from an SEO stance at the very least and unnecessarily exposing to problems.

WG would likely prefer to use something else. Frost / Winter / Money Banger 😆

[spark pumice]

Maybe the people who aren’t copyright lawyers should leave that up to WG and their lawyers to decide.

on another note I like tournaments

[bleak wind]

Cool story bro

[carmine solstice]

Has there been any additional info posted since the first message about the money banger tour? <1 week is pretty rough because people need details so they can decide whether or not tp commit to a team

[crystal sparrow]

What's the schedule for February coins tournaments?

[grave raven]

if you go in game you can see or if you pay me 5£ i can copy/paste for you

[jaunty talon]

When Money Banger start?

[tepid trout]

Registration starts at 4th of february, so i assume the day after that

[opaque heart]

Hello. You will get all info tomorrow

[mellow belfry]

Thanks ❤️

[carmine solstice]

Thank you

[blazing oak]

cash money tournament would sound cool

[latent olive]

Blizzard as a word/concept cannot be copyrighted because it is neither original or unique. However the term ‘Blizzard’ relating to tournaments could be subject to a trade mark, which is totally different to copyright. Thing about trade marks is that you do not get protection automatically, unlike copyright, and you need to register your TM in every single jurisdiction you want to be protected

[iron crater]

❤️

[cobalt kettle]

Snowy Skirmish

[iron crater]

Arctic Ascent

[grand pumice]

Cozy Cannon Clash

[empty phoenix]

Just seeing the names other players are coming up with is awesome. Some really cool ideas being shared.

[patent quartz]

@opaque heartwhat if i change my device during the period of the tournament, is it gonna affect my rewards or account in any possible way?

[analog osprey]

Yes it will

[cobalt kettle]

Yeah the creativity and imagination demonstrated by the players is very nice.

[rare trellis]

Tournament In Winter Time

[brittle bloom]

The end of January

[crisp mirage]

@opaque heart where is info about tournament?

[fast hare]

ChipotleIsLife23#3794 has been warned.

Zio#7662 has been warned.

[thorn shale]

🤔

[empty phoenix]

Probably today, just give them some time.

[opaque heart]

That's right, we'll post the information today.

[slender harness]

woohoo cant wait for the news already
thanks for sticking to your word 🙂

[tame bone]

😂😂 people can’t even wait a few hours it’s great. 👌

[untold tinsel]

y’all are down tremendously for this info i stg

[blissful slate]

so they changed the name? Coin Banger is now called Coin Blaster 👀

[muted ore]

https://tenor.com/view/magical-magic-gif-13543499

[fierce wagon]

🥥 based

[spark pumice]

sirius is the best

[knotty tundra]

I thought it was money and not coin banger

[paper maple]

Still everyone is complaining about everything for no reason 😂

[blissful slate]

The one for Pros is/was called money banger, there are 4 season coins tournaments as well.

[thorn shale]

LOL

[covert flax]

The amount of people down bad for the tournament info is making me laugh 😂

[thorn shale]

You are one of them, aren't u?

[covert flax]

Yes I’m down so bad right now for tournament info!!!! I really love WOTB money banger tournament details!!!

[cobalt kettle]

members of the NA region are very engaged in tournament life

[leaden belfry]

Thank goodness

[covert flax]

We are!!!!!

[thorn shale]

Hi guys

[covert flax]

Hi ferocity!

[blissful slate]

tournament infos are out in game!

[thick elk]

Dam they really giving that camo? Rip to the players who got it before

[mellow belfry]

5 certificates :(

Edit: yeah true now it wont be exclusive. Should have been for top 1 imo.

[slim socket]

To top 8 as well, not even top 4😂 💀

[winged saffron]

Tragic

[blissful slate]

how does the true challenger camo look on tanks?

[sinful crest]

Factual no captual

[primal talon]

Cyber camo for topb16 do be nice tho

[thick elk]

Ye but cyber camo isn’t rare, that other camo is only owned by like 10 players on each server

[regal remnant]

yea that’s a shame for those players

[maiden anvil]

super exclusive camo not given out for years all of a sudden given to the whole of top 8

[steel temple]

Wg getting lazy

[sinful crest]

Good on wargaming tho for making the prize pool top3 only and for the short amount of ascents

[dim pivot]

++

[open latch]

They putted coins once a week not twice idk why

[tardy bay]

I like reward.

[burnt glacier]

@opaque heartdid you put any rule about players from foreign regions (2 per team)?

[opaque heart]

We don't have this rule.

[limber musk]

So no pro avatr

[opaque heart]

This is not a season, but a tournament.

[sinful crest]

We like this a lot better👍👍

[open latch]

Wg reduced coin tours per week?

[gray pond]

This is such a nice tournament event! Thanks

[hoary comet]

I still dont understand, players wanted fix matchmaking not new type of tournament

[muted ore]

Explanations to the regulations:

— During the February tournaments, we change the penalties for insults in the game chat and on other public platforms: the player and/or the captain will be punished now, but not the whole team.
— We are against any insults of players, teams, tourney organizers, employees, streamers in the public field. We will not penalize teams for expressive and/or profanity if it is a natural way to communicate with your audience, but we may penalize a player for direct insults.
— We believe that rare customization should be given to players who have been actively involved in the games. Therefore, only those who played at least 5 battles in the Money Blaster Final will receive camo for the final part of the tournament.
— We take care of our players, so we try to make the regulations less strict. However, if the participants of the tournaments break the rules, we will be forced to tighten the regulations for further tournaments.

[opaque heart]

There will be 1 coin tournament per week + rewards for the first stage of the MB Open tournament

[open latch]

Thx

[covert flax]

@muted ore @opaque heart what does seeding look like for this tournament? Or will the normal t10 seeding still apply?

[thorn shale]

Just for clarification: The Cyber camo will be given to all participants, the Pro Orange and Pro Blue camos won’t be involved in the prize pool, and the True Challenger camo (5 certificates) are for the top 8 teams.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

[crisp shore]

I'm a bit worried whether we have more than 2 teams on NA/Asia server in Money Blaster Final tbh

[regal remnant]

what why?

[thorn shale]

Wait what ?

[gray pond]

The cyber camo will be given to to all participants in Money Blaster Final Tournament

[thorn shale]

Wait they changed tourney name cringe xd

[boreal dew]

No avatars this season?

[thorn shale]

cyber winter will be for top 16 and tru chalanger top 8 ?

[ancient shard]

yea

[muted ore]

@covert flax In the Open tournament. Seeding in the each group is carried out according to principle Strongest-Weakest.
Considering the player's "Weight": https://na.wotblitz.com/en/news/tournaments/tournaments-new-formula/

[normal scroll]

Strongest-Weakest is not giving a chance to everyone imo

[thorn shale]

We need to be in top16 too, with all team and new team that were created between the time of autumn and up to here, will be much harder..

[thorn shale]

Thanks for the clarification. In my opinion I like the look of this format but the rewarding of the True Challenger camouflage seems unfair to those who earned it a long time ago. Also I’m sure people still miss the Pro Orange and Blue but its an interesting change to make and might become more popular.

[covert flax]

Ok, thanks Sirius 🙏

[viscid tusk]

No avatars this season?

[regal remnant]

how does wg know my weight🤭😰

[crisp shore]

On average we have around 30 teams on these two servers. Realistically, I will be expecting about 8-10 groups in stage 1. That will send 8-10 teams to stage 2, forming 2 groups at most. This sends 1-2 teams to stage 3. In stage 3, there might only be one group and the prizes might be given freely to them as they are already guaranteed a spot in Money Blaster Final.

In other words, both servers need to have at least 65 teams registered in order to have at least 3 teams in stage 3, which seems highly unlikely.

To have 3 teams in Money Blaster Final, you will need at least 5 teams in stage 3, so you need 5 groups in stage 2, which means you need at least 33 teams in stage 2. At least 132 teams are required if you do the maths, which is an optimistic number for the EU serer.

[gray pond]

Money Blaster Final Tournament means top 16, yes

[split cosmos]

1-8 true challenger? what the

[pallid depot]

Interesting

[muted ore]

If the groups of the third stage are fully formed, the 1st and 2nd places of each group pass to the Money Blaster Final tournament. If there are free slots, the 3rd place teams may also get a pass (the number of battles won will be compared). If necessary, the organizers also have the right to make an additional tournament Last Chance.

[muted ore]

No. Only money, camouflages, credits, gold and free XP.

[steel temple]

@muted ore do the 6 required battles to get rewards apply to the top 8 camo, top 16 camo, or all rewards?

[opaque heart]

It's for all camos.

[crisp shore]

So will the eliminated teams in stage 2 be considered for a pass to Money Blaster Final (provided there are only 2 teams in Money Blaster Open stage 3)? I suspect that will be the case for both Asia and NA servers since there is a good chance they don't have 3 teams in stage 3 of Money Blaster Open.

If not, will all eliminated teams be considered and reviewed (not invited) in the Last Chance Tournament?

[past marlin]

I doubt there even gonna be 16 teams in Asia

[covert flax]

NA barely had 32 teams last season lol, i can see this being an issue

[hoary comet]

Just please, dont change Spring to some money banger again

[split cosmos]

Is the true challenger disguise consisting of one sheet and applicable to only one tank? Or does it apply to "all" tanks when using it?
@muted ore

[odd wolf]

only 5 certificates of the true challenger; cyber winter is applicable to all tanks

[muted ore]

@crisp shore Teams from Stage 3 will be considered. If there are not enough teams, teams from Stage 2 will be considered.

A "Last Chance" tournament is not planned yet. If we decide to hold such a tournament, we will let you know after the Open tournament is over.

[muted ore]

That would be five certificates. Certificate can be used once for any tank of any level.

[steel temple]

Okay thanks, may I ask why it says this in game?

[muted ore]

Winter camouflage will be available for all tanks.

[quaint gorge]

All of u complaining about this season seem hella quite right about now

[thorn shale]

💀

[crisp shore]

Thanks Sirius, hopefully we will be seeing a record number of teams partaking this tournament on both Asia and NA servers.

[opaque heart]

What do you mean? It's just an info about rewards. But in the regulation we're talking about the 6 rounds condition

[split cosmos]

@muted ore
@odd wolf
i see, thank you for detail info with answer 🙏

[thorn shale]

It's only for top 1-16 or, for all player who play 6 battle into money banger or something else ? @muted ore

[boreal dew]

Is there no way to opt out of true challenger for like pro blue or something? I get the reward of getting a rare camo I just think that true challenger is mid and the pro camos look better

[muted ore]

Only for tournament Money Blaster Final (Top-16).

[thorn shale]

Imo the best setup would be:

-Top 16: Chal camo and Chal av
-Top 8: Cyber, Pro av, Pro background
-Top 4: Pro Orange/Blue
-Top 4 Blitz cup: Team avatar
-Win your servers blitz cup: Own team camo (ex. True Challenger camo)

[thick elk]

One can wish but eh, na is going downhill lol 📉

[boreal dew]

Top 16: challenger avatar / cyber camo
Top 8: pro blue / pro avatar / background
Top 4: true challenger/ both pro camos / pro avatar / background

[thorn shale]

Oooh ok aight, thx

[quaint gorge]

Top 8 doesn’t need pro blue and orange. That should be top 4

[fallow turret]

They should've left rewards as it was now literally everyone gets a cyber and ppl in top 8 get the most exclusive camo in the game by participating in an online

[boreal dew]

In the case with true challenger in the mix I think it would be appropriate for 8-5 to get a single pro camo, not both

[thorn shale]

Thing is you’re making so much stuff in one prize pool so they will just lose value. It’s need to be spaced out yk

[thick elk]

This is a pointless argument because u will never make everyone happy. Some people have pro camo and want cyber, some people have pro avatar and want something new, some people don’t.

[quaint gorge]

It’s only 5 certificates but still Ik what u mean they change it up because a lot of player have some of these camos and want others or they have em all and are looking for something new ig

[thorn shale]

What I was thinking is like each BC there is a new featured (or several) camo(s) every season for the winners of BC. WG can get really creative with this (especially with animated camos being a thing now), and it keeps the value of the camo as it can only be obtained once and the general difficultly of obtaining one is high.

[quaint gorge]

For sure and I feel like they should just come up with a new camo or set of seasonal camos instead of dropping a camo that proves ur the best of the best in ur server

[fallow turret]

Yeah I mean for players who have played for more than a year they have already achieved every cosmetic in the game. I just don't think it's fair to the players who played in those offlines. Like at least when they introduced giving the true pro camos to only top4 it kept the camos exclusive.

[gilded marsh]

I honestly think the true challengers camo should be given only to top 1 or even top 1-2 teams on each server instead of top 8. WG only released this camo twice in the past and giving it to top 8 teams devalues it significantly.

imagine winning twister on ur server in 2018 and getting the camo, only to see essentially literal challenger teams have the opportunity to get the camo that’s exclusive to the best on each server.

[warm eagle]

In short, we will not have a pro avatar?

[quaint gorge]

8th place teams are going to have a gross amount of ego now lmaooo

[fallow turret]

Top 16 gonna be flexing that cyber 🥵 🥶

[thorn shale]

No. Only money, camouflages, credits, gold and free XP.

Personally, I was satisfied with top 16 getting chal camo and av, top 8 getting cybers, pro av and pro background, and reserving the og pro camos for top 4 as it keeps the balance of how valuable each of these rewards are. But for the most important event (BC), the top 4 clan avatars make the event more special, and furthermore if you added a new camo each year for the winners in each of the regions it would be even more special and probably increase interest in the competitive scene.

Of course, change once in a while is nice (say what you want about the new pro av but the change made it interesting), and honestly gives WG a ton of new options imo.
@quaint gorge

[gilded marsh]

For real bro. It was already bad enough that the cyber camos were being given to top 12 teams instead of just top 8, but the true challengers camo being given to all top 8 on every server is legitimately disrespectful to the OG owners.

[sinful crest]

How is giving a camo disrespect it’s a reward lol

[quaint gorge]

My fav Mexicano

[inner socket]

Ohh maybe I will get finally my first cyber

[fallow turret]

I wish u the best of luck Ciappo

[warm eagle]

my hope to see that I will not be able to get the avatar before starting work📉📉📉

[quaint gorge]

Because they fought their way to twister cup off lines to get it 🤓 come on man get with the program. @fallow turret pretty sure every participant gets cyber 💀

[wet tide]

He means that if you get into the final tournament (top16), but you dont play a single battle in the final tournament you wont get the winter season camo
Even though ingame it says that all the top16 tournament participants get the winter camo
So which is the case?

[fallow turret]

You have to actually play to be a participant hence the name participant

[opaque heart]

Only those who have played 6 battles in the tournament will receive camos. Usually, general information is given in the game client, and complete information is given in the regulations.

[sinful crest]

We’re fighting our way to money banging season tho warriors get rewarded sheriff !

[quaint gorge]

Excuse me money banger is offensive, it is now called money blaster tournament 👊

[spark pumice]

Blast away for that money gamers 💥💥

[fluid pilot]

Coin Blasters!

[spice granite]

I'm not satisfied with the rewards tbh I wanted an avatar, that would be good :( I have 0 chance to get top 3

[quaint gorge]

😹 focus on placing in the tourney and be grateful wargaming even gives top 8 anything

[supple hearth]

LMAO, true challenger camo to 50% players on NA

[pseudo sentinel]

So much drama to cancel the winter season for a money tournament, if wargaming wants to see the best teams why don't they invite the ones that will actually reach the top 3, jkr pramo rgn or another, Why only they want money without offending them since they have been competing for a long time And the other thing is that many fans continue with the game for wanting to reach the top 8 and when they have a chance they just change the tournament Other players are for the avatar and profile background and now they won't give it.

[lost burrow]

to get the cyber winter camo u need to be top 16 or higher?
Do I understand this in the right manner?

[limber lintel]

xD? yes don't even make them prove themselves invite them always, this makes no sense, any e-sports or irl sport top teams have to prove themselves always, like just inviting the top3 from last time is eh, also means the qualifiers will have less top teams meaning stream coverage will have less quality gameplay, :/, this makes no sense what you're suggesting

[spice granite]

Lmao I already saw that, and the cyber winter camo for all tanks, I'm just saying that the only thing that misses in this tournament is the challenger avatar for top 16 players, but yeah the true challenger avatar for the people Who really earned it in the old times yeah.. kinda you Know sad and unfair for the people who really earned it, but eh atleast I get a cyber winter avatar, makes me happy

[narrow meteor]

If you were gonna give that camo away you probably should of given it to the team that got 1st in blitz cup

[quaint gorge]

Yaro come back get urself a true challenger camo

[atomic tartan]

Welp was nice having the rarest item in the game for 3 years. If you get it, make sure you save a certificate for the E 100 cuz its like 1 of 2 camos that dont render horribly on it

[limber musk]

Nice giveaway

[spice granite]

I'm really sorry for that :/

[simple nebula]

:C

[quaint gorge]

Is7 aswell

[atomic tartan]

Oh theres no reason to be sorry, they only get 5 certificates lol I get it on every tank, even the new ones added after (60TP, Yoh, Kran, etc)

[spice granite]

But still, you will not have that exclusivity lol, but yeah that's true

[spark pumice]

honestly it’s funny wg even gave it as a reward i thought they forgot about it and just planned on leaving it to the people who had it but i guess it’s easier to reuse a old camo then make a new one

[quaint gorge]

He gets to say that he obtained that camo from making it to the twister offline and not placing top 8 in winter.

[wanton mortar]

Watch ppl flex it by just saving it in the storage.

[proper kraken]

Another wargaming cringe moment meat head company fo sho

[atomic tartan]

Actually no, the original conditions for getting it were actually a fan voted poll on the WG portal, not for winning 2018. I.e. RA1D famously went to Twister for EU, but Zird has it and not Messi or Drizzell.

But then again, if you have the camo from that time and didn’t actually go to Twister even tho the majority of your server thought you’re the favorites, well….lol.

[quaint gorge]

They finna flex it on pub players every chance they get. The only tanks they will play from now on are the 5 tanks that they put the camo on 😂

[spark pumice]

man im genuinely disappointed i wanted there to be a money themed camo. As flashy and eye grabbing as possible. Just straight up obnoxious

[wanton mortar]

It is what it is, it's unfortunate it gets rewarded that way, although it is only 5 certs instead of being unlocked for every tank, we can give it that they didn't mess it horrendously. We'll see what new teams get the chance to grab it.

[gilded marsh]

At this point WG might as well just give the true challengers camo to only top 9-16 to stay true to the camos name

[proper kraken]

Imagine thinking wg cares about your feelings 😭😭😂😂😂

[sinful crest]

The camos are worthless it’s all about the experience of money hanging

[thorn shale]

Let's go

[quaint gorge]

Nah it’s the friendship and teamwork along the way

[spark pumice]

non clan registration lol let’s go i know what clan im playing from

bruh the qualifying is any clan but final is back to being same clan

[crisp shore]

The portal says it's "clan" registration though.

[covert flax]

logical XD

[sinful crest]

All factual no captual

[supple hearth]

Waste of time, soon it will be in crates

[quaint gorge]

😂😂😂😂😂

[spice granite]

I agree tbh, the best thing in comp that you can find very good friends to play wotb or other games

[summer ibex]

I love the clarity this part of the announcement brings: "Maps: randomly from the list of maps" Brilliant.

[mellow belfry]

So to get the camo you must play minumum 6 games on top 8 stage?

[covert flax]

from what ive read i believe so

[opaque heart]

You can find details in the regulation.

[green orchid]

im here to cry about my exclusive true challengers camo being given away as a tournament reward.

[thorn shale]

Ok Im gonna be the person to say it's stupid to guard the camos, because of how hard my team trained. Let's play

[summer ibex]

Perhaps I am disabled, but can you direct me to where the regulation is posted? Or maybe I’m misunderstanding what you mean by “regulation.”

[wet tide]

If you look at the ingame announcement you can find regulations per tournament per server

[opaque heart]

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/forum/275-tournaments/

[summer ibex]

I see. Thank you, sir. My small brain is now up to speed 😎

[green orchid]

we didnt train all of 2021 apart from blitz cup 🤨

[patent quartz]

turn the 5 camo certificates from the tournament for the top 8 into an all vehicle camo for top4 only, it's a pro camo afterall, not one of those certificates u get from containers

[mellow belfry]

🙏

[thorn shale]

doesn't matter we're here to complain because we feel like complaining

[open latch]

In coin tour the <group of death> means that the teams will face enemies with the same average wr?

[lapis narwhal]

Tournaments are fun!

[carmine solstice]

100%. Top 4 is still more than generous for the only rare camo in the game

[brittle bloom]

Agreeee

[quaint gorge]

Unfortunately they won’t change it but I totally agree

[vapid crypt]

^ agreed

[spring gale]

maybe if enough of us agree wg will change it just like they did the tourney title!

[iron crater]

^

[ornate elbow]

Money Blaster only for TOUCH?
Or is it PC too?

[fallow turret]

Tournaments with money as a prize are always touch only. The coin blaster or whatever is mixed controls

[odd wolf]

^ please. i remember when cyber fall was gonna be rewarded with just 1 certificate for it, but it’s just not right to devalue the reward

[carmine solstice]

Aside from turning those 5 certs for top 8 into an all vehicle top 4 reward, surely the winter camo should be top 8 only? U might as well just gift everyone a winter camo for asia and na at this point 😂

[hardy robin]

Love bringing back the twister camo that about 2 active asia players have, I'm sure they're really thanking WG rn 👏 really looking forward for Timmy in his 183 getting cyber winter as well

[novel bay]

Idk who Timmy is but I like him already 😎

[spring gale]

^

[sinful crest]

@opaque heart 🤝

[spark pumice]

I sense no ulterior motive and agree with the statements made above True Challenger really is a legendary camo and limiting it to top 4 and then making it available to be put on all tanks with no limit is a good change that I hope gets made.

[brittle bloom]

^^^^ @ WG

[green orchid]

the camo hardly remains rare if everyone in top 4 receives an unlimited amount of uses. It should be unlimited only for the 1st placed team then 5 uses for 2nd to 4th place.

[proud holly]

Why not just give out the classic pro camos for top 4 again

[carmine solstice]

Yea I don’t mind that either but at least the top 4 rule would be logical/understandable based on how it usually works. The current rule is just random, unprecedented and I haven’t seen 1 comment of support 😂

[solemn nexus]

the only thing that was special abt was that it was exclusive, now that its given out for free to top 8 i dont see the point of crying as theres nothing to flex about it anymore

[iron crater]

If they want to give out such an exclusive camo literally just give avatar and bg in place of it and people would be less mad

[solemn nexus]

also what happened to daria

[wild carbon]

chart ?

[olive brook]

mhm chart where :3

[sonic patio]

great start of b"laster" season!

[shell surge]

uh tours broken?

[dim pivot]

The chart isnt up for asias coin tour even though the matches shud start right now fyi @opaque heart

[graceful jetty]

What’s going on for the coin blaster #1 @opaque heart @muted ore

Nvm - it’s working as intended ig?

[iron crater]

wow

[opaque heart]

We apologize, due to technical problems, matches in the Asian region will start 20 minutes later.

[thorn shale]

bruh

[odd wolf]

i actually like this idea

[chilly hemlock]

I can’t believe they couldn’t have just designed a new camo to replace it. They’ve only had 4 years

[chilly hemlock]

Amazing that the few exclusive rewards that people earn on skill or in this case skill/popularity (the players choice camo, kpz, and is6 fearless) always get devalued and given to masses of people instead of creating something new

[long meteor]

seeding teams looks like autumn season ? or what?

[thorn shale]

Putting True Challengers camo as a reward is such a nice reward, but WG should make new one

[chilly hemlock]

I really feel like 1 camo a year for the whole year isn’t a huge thing to ask for

[slim blade]

Strongest-weakest Wargaming is devolving

[green orchid]

too much to ask with the way the game is coded 💀 takes them ab 6 months to implement a new clan logo in game

[chilly hemlock]

It’s so disappointing. This game is such a unique and really a very good platform for mobile esports and they just don’t commit to capitalizing on it

Imagine if you got clan backgrounds as a prize

Or a camo for a tank like Legion or Raid

[green orchid]

if they were serious u would able to create ur own camos from a preset of decals and colours customisable to ur liking that would render on to the PBR models of tanks which u would then pay for and save with gold to be able to use on any tank.

[chilly hemlock]

Top 8 exclusive reward tanks. Maybe even an attachment that shows you’re in top 8

Like even it was a badge or emblem that gets put on the tank

[green orchid]

custom avatars that stack to rank achievements, my clan has won the fall szn 3 times in a row on eu from 2019-2021 and our logo doesnt even have something like 3 stars around it to highlight such an unprecedented feat.

[regal remnant]

too bad they’re working on battlepass 24/7 and forget the rest

[chilly hemlock]

Originally I thought per each season

Design: clan logo for top 4, for 5-32 changes every year
Background color: green for spring, yellow summer, orange fall and aqua winter
Avatar border: gold silver bronze, a color for top 8, top 16 and top 32
Lastly, on the bottom of the avatar, put the year.

That way these become collectible and you can tell who finishes where

Also. This would be a very easy system to copy, paste and update

[green orchid]

unfortunately when backgrounds r being sold for $300 these suggestions will fall on deaf ears since theyre not profitable. we’ll be lucky if wg hosts another offline imo

[chilly hemlock]

Imagine if instead of choosing Sandisk for twister 2, they accepted the deal from Red Bull and they actually formed a partnership for an offline scene

This is why I will always see blitz as disappointing. Amazing potential, lackluster execution

[slim blade]

the entire game has so much potential but again they can only be bothered to do a bit. prime example is pbr

[spring gale]

and wg doesnt invest resources to build the esports aspect of the game which im sure they def have the budget for

[odd wolf]

they had a deal from red bull? wow

[chilly hemlock]

They turned them down because they had Sandisk. I would give anything to have a Red Bull Pramo jersey 😍❤️

Crazy to think you’d turn down a company that’s so big, it has its own F1 team just because

[onyx pelican]

+Numerous football clubs

[blissful slate]

RedBull Gaming is huge already. Maybe they couldnt breach their contract with SanDisk

[gray pond]

Maybe WG doesn't like Energy Drinks

[chilly hemlock]

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/81226-tornado-energy-what-are-we10-year-olds/

False.

[iron crater]

moving away from WW2 realism 😱

[chilly hemlock]

They had a deal in 2017 with tornado energy aka third hand Red Bull

[slim blade]

2019 was sponsored by Gorilla Energy drinks

[chilly hemlock]

Exactly. They just decided to partner with 2 brands no ones ever heard of lol

[burnt glacier]

In Russia we prefer Adrenaline Energy, E-on and Red bull. Some people prefer Tornado cause it cheapest eneregy drink, but with trash taste.

[chilly hemlock]

Either way… Red Bull has more brand power than all the others combined. Easy choice

[burnt glacier]

True that

[winter swallow]

They can do new camos and avatars and backgrounds every month with game pass.

Someone needs to tell WG they can sell premium permanent clan fan avatars and backgrounds.

Look at discord server sizes for top clans. Especially CIS ones. For sure people will buy avatars to show support for their favourite clan.

To make it popular among wider audience and boost esports viewers/followers - sell clan fan avatar for top 8 teams. Say you can buy one for 1000 Gold. If the team you support wins, you can trade the avatar in for 5000 gold. If it comes 2nd, 3000 gold 3rd - 2000 gold. Or you can keep it.

This will encourage people to understand the teams and esports scene so they choose wisely.

[spark pumice]

I know there is certainly a large part of the player base that would buy a certain rgn avatar

[mellow belfry]

I wish wg did this type of stuff. We just need to accept they are not very interested in competitive scene. Thats it. They do great additions like more than 1 big tournament per year but we compare it to what they could do and its xd tbh

Edit: wg should make a channel with top cw players. Its normal this is a zoo since its OPENED for everyone. If wg wants to take a step forward they must search for the best players @chilly hemlock
But ofc its good listening to “normal” players. Im not saying they should avoid them

[chilly hemlock]

Imo it would help if this channel wasn’t a zoo half the time…

[winter swallow]

Day 1 of serious recommendations in this channel - make a separate channel for general tournament discussion between players to free this channel up for constructive feedback for developers.

There are dedicated general open channels for map and tank discussions but not tournament discussions.

Making an open tournament discussion channel won't fix the zoo but at least it filter the brouhaha out of here.

[chilly hemlock]

Completely agree

Maybe
Tournament-discussion
Tournament-off-topic

[mellow belfry]

Would end up being the same

[chilly hemlock]

Nah. Wg devs stick to the discussion channel only and it’s heavily moderated

[barren imp]

i'm sure that they turned redbull down because of a contract they couldn't breach... can't imagine any other reason

[chilly hemlock]

Still not getting a contract with them after?

[boreal dew]

What is group of death seeding?

[barren imp]

i'd imagine they would try pursue something afterwards, have they not? maybe they missed their one shot?

[proud holly]

For the final tournament, is it possible to lower the number of required battles? I'm not sure if it's possible to get every player on a 10 man team to play 6 games, especially if's a team that has the misfortune of being knocked in the first day of the tournament final @muted ore

This is assuming that the group stage of the Blaster Final are all Best of 7's, meaning that it's possible that a team could only play 8 games meaning not everyone is going to be able to play the number of required games for a cosmetic.

Unless this is actually saying that a player has to have played 6 battles across both the open and the final

[mellow belfry]

Missed their one shot? Tbh they dont need redbull. They are top company they can get whoever they want if they do the correct moves. The game has potential but wg zzZ. They have all they need, money and potential.

[supple quartz]

Someone else is lagging atm ?

[dreamy ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695038074438287410/938150235312648243/unknown.png

[spark pumice]

worried or something 🤨

[barren imp]

WG is certainly big, but it would also be silly to turn down a sponsorship for no good reason, especially one from a company worth over 16 times as much

[proud holly]

I am top 16 player level no bully!!

[mellow belfry]

For sure. But still they can do big things without them. Its not like they wasted their unique chance to grow. I agree it wasnt clever to decline Redbull

[barren imp]

oh yeah, i get what you were saying now. i guess i meant "one shot" more as their one shot with redbull, maybe redbull would be less inclined to offer again after being rejected. but thats just me guessing, i have no idea how it all works or what the etiquette is

[thorn shale]

It has to work both ways. So far none of those top cw players on EU is trying to sell tournaments to people

Regardless if JON3S wins or loses tourney community will say "Nice stream WG thx for free rewards". Sports transmissions are popular, cause they're emotional, people feel attached to teams. Love or hatred towards a team is something that can bond random people, cause discussion, eventually turn into a hobby and then you milk those people with merch etc
If this game has so much potential go use it. Opportunity like this won't knock to your door, you need to earn it jezz

[supple quartz]

Thats so true, many peoples are just watching streams for the rewards sadly and not the gameplay itself, i think it wouldn't be bad at all if some top CW players was making videos in youtube and stuff like that to talk about tournaments with more details and not only the gameplay that we see on the official streams or streams from the commentators

[thorn shale]

Making money from playing games isn't as easy as spending a couple of evenings for a tournament and then going off 🙂

[supple quartz]

I also think that WG should bring a bet system for the big tournaments with limits on the bets of course, players could be able to bet gold and even credits, many players would care more about watching the tournaments and not just opening the stream on the back for rewards

[open iris]

Yo where are the tournament regulations? When do the battles continue? Sorry if obvious, haven't played since 2017

[spark pumice]

I don’t know if wargaming encouraging gambling any more then they already do is a good idea

[thorn shale]

I don't really think they can since if you bet gold or credit that you can buy in shop it is considered as money game like casino. And it is not allow in some EU countries.

[sacred wagon]

If anyones looking for an extra 53TP to join their team for the coin blaster tournament I’ll can join. Nothing too serious I have 2000 battles and 54% wr and 1262 avg damage. NA servers btw. DM or @ me

[supple quartz]

Well loot box isn't allowed in some countries too xd

[maiden anvil]

amazing idea actually

[ember oracle]

Anyone need an extra for the coin blasters tournament? I’ve got 60tp for t10. 53tp and tiger 2 for t8

[chilly hemlock]

Well it would help to reach a much wider platform if they had replaced them with anyone that was known with a decent reputation

[chilly hemlock]

#tourneys-team-search

[chilly hemlock]

#tourneys-team-search

[chilly hemlock]

Sure but this is where a company can invest a little bit into the idea of making shirts for top 4 clans and selling them for like $30 and see how it goes. Pretty low risk because you can do a preorder to see how many people are even interested to begin with. To a degree, you can’t expect players to lead when they don’t earn enough money and many are 16-20 years old

[empty phoenix]

Wait what happened with RedBull?

[chilly hemlock]

They approached wg to sponsor twister 2 but were turned down because wg already had Sandisk

[empty phoenix]

Dang that’s what we call a back rank blunder

[onyx pelican]

Groups of 4
2 1st placed teams
2 2nd placed teams

[rare trellis]

I agree with NiiForever [HATED]

[orchid spear]

I concur

[proud holly]

What the swear word

[winter swallow]

10x. : WG $1.5b / RB $15B

[thick elk]

wg as a whole is huge yes, but blitz is just a small part of it. Much of wgs value comes from places other than blitz, and they don’t take the money that they earn from other places and use it for blitz.

[barren imp]

google told me 1.5b and 25.4b, but okay man

[latent olive]

problem is that most YT audiences and thus most of the overall player bases are not interested in the tour side, they want to know what the latest OP tank and mundane stuff like that.

[supple quartz]

Yeah sadly

[latent olive]

question, the money blaster open is non-clan, thats correct yeah?

[tender shell]

@muted ore @opaque heart If this screenshot is still relevant I think you should pay more attention to these names and rename them as soon as possible.

[muted ore]

Hi. All team members must be in the same clan.

Hi.
The 1st place teams in groups 1 and 2 will be seeded in group 1.
The 1st place teams in groups 3 and 4 will be seeded in group 2.
The 1st place teams in groups 5 and 6 will be seeded in group 3.
The 1st place teams in groups 7 and 8 will be seeded in group 4.

The 2nd place teams in groups 1 and 2 will be seeded in group 4.
The 2nd place teams in groups 3 and 4 will be seeded in group 3.
The 2nd place teams in groups 5 and 6 will be seeded in group 2.
The 2nd place teams in groups 7 and 8 will be seeded in group 1.

[latent olive]

@muted ore you may want to amend the announcement from Ribble, its says 'non-clan'

✍️ Register for the Money Blaster Open on February 4-7. This is an open tournament with a non-clan registration.

[muted ore]

@latent olive Oh... Thank you. We'll fix it.

[latent olive]

its an old tank and that has nowt to do with tournaments tbf

[muted ore]

You're right, thank you. We will change the requirement to 5 battles.

[proud holly]

Much appreciated!

[regal remnant]

nice

[tame turret]

i dont indersted

[thorn shale]

sus

[fast hare]

☭☭☭#1282 has been warned.

[steel temple]

Yoooo thanks bro!

[winter swallow]

Day 2 of serious suggestions in this channel - WG should look into changing how tournament seeding is done. The current system works but is not optimal. It is certainly not how major esports titles function. I believe that tournament teams should be seeded relative to tournament results - rather than using individual public match stats as a proxy. Exactly how this should be done would require good planning and consideration. However, I believe long-term that it would be more than worth it.

While the advantages of such an approach are obvious and numerous, I would list the most prominent as:

1. Significantly harder to "rig" or otherwise manipulate seeding;
2. Most accurately seeds teams (assuming schema is well designed and implemented), and
   3) It will enable a transition away from "all-in" tournaments seeded in a strongest-vs-weakest system.

Re: (3) - I think this is the most crucial aspect. Current major (Blitz Cup, Twister, X Season, etc.) tournament structures pitch everyone against everyone in a strongest-vs-weakest format. The disadvantages of this are equally obvious a numerous - but chiefly it results in a very long tournament in terms of hours invested over multiple days AND sees the best teams "waste" their time demolishing the newest/least-proficient teams... the flipside of which is that any new player/team trying to get into tournaments has an insurmountable first or early opponent - which we can all see is not going to encourage players to engage with tournament formats over public matches. The counter-point is that "quick tournaments" and lower tier tournaments offer more beginner friendly routes to learn and engage with tournaments - which might be some consolation for the truly newest of the new, but does not alleviate the issue of weaker teams in a tournament getting rofl-stomped Round 1 or Pros in round 1 considering whether they should take Tier 9's to make things a bit more entertaining for themselves.

The fix the (3) leads to is that by having teams seeded on tournament performance/results, you can then create leagues/partitions within the competing team pool. This already exists per season. Ascent/PYS -> Top 8 / Challengers, etc. ||| By having a rolling team/clan seeding system, you can forgo the pain of early PYS/Ascent rounds and have ore meaningful matches for all skill levels, right from the start of the tournament.

TL;DR: seed teams by tournament performance and then create a 'league' system that spans multiple major series to improve the tournament experience of all participants.

[gleaming pollen]

Actually Ra1d won this camo in 2020 international cup were best russian and eu teams faced each other.

[shy sun]

So hold on, seeding for money banger is based on winrate again?

[gleaming pollen]

Does this mean that the teams in the same qualifying group end up in the same group in the final group stage. 👍

[muted ore]

@gleaming pollen No, I've clarified my post above.

[warped patrol]

✅

[vague quartz]

sorry for the inconvenience, could someone tell me how often the coin tournaments are

[chilly hemlock]

So much for that “new seeding system” they’ve been working on since spring 2021

[fickle thicket]

Say, are there any thoughts or news about maybe increasing the in-game rewards for quick tournaments, season tourneys, and coin tourneys?

Like perhaps the amount of credits, gold or free exp if it applies, though just a personal idea of mine, i would like to see a credits increase the most for tourney rewards, since sometimes the amount of time playing vs the rewards distributed among the team do not seem fit for the time spent and/or effort in order to get such rewards vs casual battles or event modes if there's any at the moment.

[young hawk]

I think it sucks that my team didn't get any rewards from Coin Blaster Tournament. Due to every team we were scheduled to play forfeited. So all that time was wasted when we could've actually been playing the game. We spent time training and all for tournament then other teams fail to show and we get nothing. Is really shitty. We were going to use those rewards to improve our tank and stuff, smh.

[patent quartz]

i dont think giving away a pro camo in certificates is a good thing, plus this camo remains the rarest and the hardest to get as far as i know, you should turn it into an all tank camo just like the other ones and only for the top4, this camo is worth way more than a top8

[shy sun]

Bet, at this point they can just choose random teams blindfolded and give them the cyber that should not be given anywhere out of top 8, and I am a top 16 player myself, I guess

[chilly hemlock]

I still don’t understand why it’s difficult. The minimum for seeding is to only used games from each player of the tier for the tournament. Aka if it’s a tier x tournament, only count their tier x wr

[shy sun]

Well that s one thing, but like srsly now, 100% reroll = cyber am I right? Just share us the bank account, we can pay for it too. But even if we pay for it, it shouldnt be achieved with money

[proud holly]

Nah I’m pretty sure it’s still based off of t10 “weight”

[fluid pilot]

^

[fallow turret]

Yeah it's the 1k battles at t10 seeding

[winter swallow]

Ez enough to reroll rig farm. Sadly.

[fallow turret]

There's not really a way to get rid of that and the time required to play 1k games at a moderately high level is more time than it takes to actually get good at comp.

[winter swallow]

Refer you to my previous suggestion.

[atomic tartan]

Problem is, skill in comp is not easily quantitatively measured. What it really comes down to, is you eyeball one player against another, and between the two you pick which one you would play and which one you would bench. And you keep doing that until you end up with 7 people who you won’t bench for anyone else, and that’s the best team you have

That is not something easily quantitatively measured lol

[fallow turret]

The idea of making a seeding system based on clans would theoretically be a better system but there's just so many things you couldn't account for. Like if you make the seeding based on the clan then you don't account for the people or team in the clan changing and having an unreservedly high or low seed. New teams form every season so how would you account for that. You can base it off quick tours but that wouldn't count for much because you're never gonna have the pool of teams in qts that you do major tournaments. Then at that point how would you regulate those qts there are plenty of people who play t10 qts just for fun or play on pc and you can't separate it into touch and pc qts cuz then you decimate the pool of teams for both sides not to mention that a decent number of players aren't sure where they will play for the next season so there is no continuity for these seeding tournaments. You could potentially give each player am individual tournament ranking but you still have the same issues with bought accounts and the strongest weakest format favoring those teams/players

[fallow turret]

I mean yeah but theoretically the amount of time and effort you put into something should result in you getting better

[atomic tartan]

theoretically.

[proud holly]

@muted ore just to clarify, only one team per clan, can participate in the finals correct?

[barren imp]

this made me laugh

[elder coral]

not if you are practicing bad habits somehow

[chilly hemlock]

Here me out. Take the rating point system (with maybe some fixes etc) and apply it to tournaments. Each team would have a collective number and it could be reset every season.

Option 1, Skip calibrating, and start everyone at 3k.
Options 2, 5 or 10 battle calibration

You do well and win, you go up a fair amount. Lose and do 0, drop a lot. The teams points would be how you seed tournaments

@winter swallow ^

[hoary comet]

Im sorry if u write that already but, when registration starts?

[winter swallow]

@crisp shore had proposed a similar system where seeding starts out weighted to stats but then shifts to be tournament result focused as the season progresses. He had tested it out a bit too and the theoretical results looked promising.

[lapis narwhal]

Feb 3 (i think)

[chilly hemlock]

There has to be ways to tune the amount gained/lost etc to be a bit dynamic

A top 4 team seal clubbing in early rounds should yield minimal gains because that’s to be expected

[slim blade]

have a qualifiers round for the qualifiers rounds

[flat goblet]

Lol

[opaque heart]

There are no restrictions on teams from the same clan.

[opaque heart]

Yes.

[wet tide]

Lol

[burnt glacier]

@gusty jacinth I guess there are no common rewards(avatars, season camo(instead of them special) and no limit on players from other regions cause it's just short tournament event, not season. So there is no need to follow some hard rules that they followed before.

[winter swallow]

Agreed. But if well designed it could be a great improvement for everyone. Big if though...

__**Day 3 of serious recommendations in this channel - **__WG should add the option for spectators to use the player-view (like a replay). This would make the battles much more relatable for the general player base when watching streamed/commentated tournament matches. The player view is more dynamic and easy to understand for most people - and would add an excellent level of variety for all viewers. Pretty much every single other esports title has an option similar to this.

[inland condor]

I dont think there are these ‚clan cups‘ like in the other seasons. So every team will only play for their own registration if I‘m not mistaken. So it will not give anyone any disadvantage or advantage

[limber lintel]

That would only work if teams are forded to stay the same throughout opens and finals

[finite nova]

Message deleted cause got 1 members hate it as not to avoid miscommumication and disruption to the thread!

[winter swallow]

Not sure you understand how tournament spectator mode works... to clarify: I mean specifically for tournament spectators - i.e. those using the spectator slot and associated ghost/free-cam controls. They can currently use free-cam + switch between team mates in a 3rd person over the shoulder view with free-rotation but not seeing what the player is seeing and/or doing.

[opaque heart]

You should be in the same clan at the time of registration. A team can enter the Money Blaster Final tournament only with the same roster and clan in which it registered for the Money Blaster Open tournament.

[finite nova]

Appreciate for the wonderful & prompt reply..

[thorn shale]

Don't really understand why you ping moderators

[open latch]

Any tours On Friday ?

[chilly hemlock]

Don’t really understand why you swear when the rules clearly say not to

[tired imp]

New meta tank???🥶

[proud holly]

meh

[tired imp]

I prefer it than 60tp which is hopeless ...

[warped patrol]

???

[tired imp]

???

[rocky crystal]

!!!

[hexed vortex]

what is the tourney schedule for this month?

[modest whale]

Hello, you should read the in-game news that tells you all the information you need!!!!!

[covert flax]

🤝

[merry blade]

Didn’t they have a player cam during the blitz cup? Cause I swear during the PRAMO vs RGN games we saw for a brief moment the player cams from tomie and dragon (on separate maps)
Edit: funny thing is when lans were still around for wot pc they would have a in game player cam for everyone

[atomic tartan]

🙉🙉

[merry blade]

Yoooooo my guy, the clutch minister thanks for that pov. That shot tho…

[green orchid]

always playing wolves 😂

[winter swallow]

I mean player’s in game view. Not a view of the person IRL…

[covert flax]

Ngl ur Castilla clutch still is talked about by me and my friends 😂

[modest whale]

Dragonnumber1fan

[merry blade]

right, I misspoke I meant players in game view. It would be cool to see the kracked snap shots some players would hit.

[open latch]

If you register at money blaster tournament and you lose first round for exambol you wouldnt be abol to play the other tours from 7 to 11 ?

[hoary comet]

Double elimination

[limber lintel]

Was already suggested, but it would be a massive effort to implement it into the camera system, so the revenue wouldnt be worth the investment

[merry blade]

I think it would be worth it, think about it. In any competitive scene if it's esports or not everyone whoever is watching the big screen wants to see what the pros see. It can make the environment more engaging, people might be more interested to see what pros see. It can also make for a nicer and cleaner promotion of the esport. It would also just maybe help people understand the game a bit more, sometimes brawls can be hectic, but if you saw from a players view, you could see who's the focus, you might catch a moment where a player is angling and gets a clutch bounce, I think you could justify having a players perspective with many things. Wg already started with face cams, they already had a "few" players with an in game view, whats stopping them?

[limber lintel]

The coding of how the free cam and spectator mode works, its been asked before and it basically requires a complete rewrite of the camera codes etc. Thats whats stopping them

[merry blade]

how did they get the players in game pov? would you happen to know?

[limber lintel]

What you mean? I never saw player pov in blitz

[merry blade]

look at the rgn pramo games

[latent olive]

POV is done by those actually playing, not specs

Offlines are different is my understanding

[flat goblet]

Nah they had some sort of pov mode for twister blitz cup 2021, I remember

Because I definitely remember thinking how dragon botched shots on the castilla game

Go to time 2.41.00 on NA blitz twister cup video

[thorn shale]

Guys it’s not cs go. Blitz requires very little mechanical skill, POV is uninteresting and commentators miss a lot of action when they use it. Big brawls are what’s fun to watch.

I could make patreon and sell my replays from tournaments for $5 a month. Don’t think I’d get a lot of attention 😅

[merry blade]

I mean with an fps it's different, you actually have to see the pov from the player otherwise whats the point of even watching, you'd get zero context on whos impacting a round or series of games. With blitz in my opinion you could engage the audience more, I think your viewers would be happy to see a brawl from the players in game pov, it could even provide better cinematic shots, CSGO for an example is a very easy esport to follow not just because it's a standard fps, but also because the different angles in which you can view the game. Think if you watched a team pushing another team, you are following the player who entry's and then you pan out to the brawl, would be much more immersive.

[orchid spear]

Wait so do players need 5 or 6 games in the final stage to get rewards? Cause I’ve heard both so idk which one is true

[spring marlin]

It was previously 6 but it was reduced to 5 a day or two ago

[proud holly]

@orchid spear 🤠

[steel shell]

Ur right but still seeing players pov like you could in WGL would be interesting

[worn juniper]

Is the rule “teams can not play with more than 2 non-EU players” still exist? (Talking for EU server of course)

[opaque heart]

We haven’t the rule this time.

[mellow belfry]

^

[smoky elm]

Oh no. Wargaming nerfed E5 I order to increase demand for the Concept 1 B and Type? I foresee that the Type is an E5 and will be used extensively in this year’s Blitz Cup.

[grand pumice]

^ the seer has foretold

[modest whale]

Okay...

[rare trellis]

Me! I want free nitro!!!

[chilly hemlock]

If it’s not fast with solid dpm and a decent frontal armor scheme, it won’t be

[wicked pasture]

I definitely remember seeing the POV of a 50B for a couple seconds in the Alpen game between ID and E7. I think they was a problem with synching where the camera was looking and the reticle, like in replays when swipe around and ur camera doesnt follow the reticle (just what i think, the place of the reticle compared to the camera didnt seem right)

[spring gale]

even of the type comes out and its basically an e5, if the meta doesnt shift drastically, i dont see it being used that much becuz theres already the concept if u want a hull down gun dep kind of heavy and unless it has better dpm than e5 or has the special consumables i dont see how ppl would choose it over something else more meta like another is7 or 60tp

[steel shell]

@opaque heart hello, the rule of playing at least 5 games so you receive the rewards applies to the final stage only? Thanks for the answer

[opaque heart]

You should play at least 5 games in the Money Blaster Final tournament.

[mellow belfry]

Hello! All the stages count ? Thanks

[opaque heart]

Group and final stage

[fallen leaf]

Looking at the Type I’d argue it’s more likely to be a 105mm (350alpha) high-DPM heavy personally. If it has say, 3150+ I could see it being chosen.

[fickle thicket]

Type 71? Doubt it, not a single heavy in t10s runs a gun smaller than 120mm seemingly

[fallen leaf]

M-VI-Yoh, though that's an autoloader. Also, there's no precedent against adding new features. Could be cool, imo, to see a small-alpha DPM heavy

[spiral swallow]

@lean cedar ( or @opaque heart idk) for this tournament season you're gonna use the new WR seeding of tier X battles etc?

[covert flax]

It’s already been confirmed this will be the method

[thorn salmon]

<@&481447501690568709>

[atomic tartan]

I had that idea a couple months ago, a single shot mega dpm low alpha heavy tank that can play towns and flat ground. Something like E 75 (in armor and speed) with the 105 and mega pen/dpm

Sounds a lot like E 50 M with heavy tank hp, but E 50 M has too much speed and not enough armor to survive extended flat ground brawls with heavies

[merry blade]

Just wait for the 277 and everyone will be happy

[open latch]

During money blaster period the other tours will be canceled? @opaque heart

[chilly hemlock]

Dude

[thorn shale]

Sigh

[modest whale]

😂

[thorn shale]

We are players just like you. Should I ping you every time I have a question about the game?

[chilly hemlock]

Mods don’t work for wg. We don’t know anymore than you do

[gray pond]

If you have any questions about the tournaments, you should ask Tolyan or Sirius

[open latch]

Okey sr guys

[grand pumice]

I'm getting conflicting messages here

[open latch]

Anyone knows?

[spark pumice]

no

[opaque heart]

What tournaments do you mean? Some quick and coin tournaments will be held

[daring swan]

@opaque heart he is basically asking to not put any tourneys on days money blaster is as teams will enroll for the qts and season coins, leading to less teams in the money blaster tournament

[spiral swallow]

Lmao imagine how boring
@daring swan Lol if a team decides to go for a quick / coin instead of money blaster it means they re like top 64 teams or smt, not a huge loss
i doubt top teams are not gonna do money thing for coins tournament xD (also u can get coins in money blaster too)

[atomic tartan]

it's just an idea for a tank to do something no other tank currently does lol at the very minimum its a better idea than donkey spotting mechanics or super consumables

[spiral swallow]

just use a wz113 or fv215b
(nvm they killed 215b dpm)
it would either be a garbage tank or completely powercreep Maus/vk90

[spiral swallow]

anyway u basically gave 0 details, it could be anything, and e50m has nothing to do with all what you said (it has average dpm, bad pen, doesn't play either in towns or flat ground, and its insanely faster than what your average city tank should be, basically just shares the 105mm)

i mean wz113 has 3400 dpm and 420 alpha, and its a way more versatile tank than something that can only be on flat ground and city, so the gun should be something ridiculous like 4000+ dpm to compensate, and it should have way worse armor than other german super heavies, it would basically be a Black prince / Tiger P but worse, and tier X

[atomic tartan]

i thought this was supposed to be boring?

[proud holly]

I think that Belladonna is spitting mad facts and that we should all pay better attention to the wisdom that this man can clearly show

[grand pumice]

They just came out of nowhere and is already more based than most of us in this server

[fluid pilot]

I agree, man is very knowledgeable.

[open latch]

I mean will quick tournaments and coin tour be held same time with money blaster open?

[opaque heart]

That’s why we added coins in the first stage of MB Open. Quick and coin tournaments will be held mostly after the Open stage

[hardy robin]

For winrate seeding, does a player need 1000 tier 10 battles for their winrate to be counted?

[grim shadow]

With less than the 1000 battles, their WR from other battles will count, but at a penalty

[grave raven]

"not a huge loss" that kind of thinking is why Blitz is years behind any competitive game and not even close to the word "esport"

[shy sun]

+1

[hexed vortex]

when is the next "regular tournament" and what is the schedule for the new month?

[vital zodiac]

does anybody know when you sign up for the coin tourney if you can dismiss the team after you are out of the tour and go further with some other tours?

[lyric hollow]

Does anyone know what this mean? "Seeding in the each group is carried out according to principle Strongest-Weakest"

[chilly hemlock]

Usually it’s win rate high to low

[chilly hemlock]

This. Absolutely this. Blitz has all the potential in the world to be a great esports platform but its potential is never fully utilized. Between wg and players ruining things, we could have had something special here

[lyric hollow]

can you tell me one example of this?

[chilly hemlock]

If you have 70%, 60%, 50% and 40%
The 70% vs 40%
60% vs 50%
1 2 3 4 = 1v4 and 2v3

[lyric hollow]

thx a lot

[onyx merlin]

Just try make higher your tier10 wr. And pray to not meet some top8 clan so early

[untold tinsel]

would russia invading ukraine mess up the schedule

[proud holly]

I hope it doesn’t 🙏

[orchid spear]

The website is brokey, for some reason it shows the hated team as a second elev team

[modest whale]

the hated team is the second elev team wdym

[fickle thicket]

Smh man isn't even aware hated changed sides smh

[fluid pilot]

.

[proud holly]

Ey yo this was supposed to be confidential-

[cobalt kettle]

I hope the team [BLM-] wins! Its a good cause

[fallow turret]

has there been any info about streams?

[fluid pilot]

^

[proud holly]

There’ll prob be streams in the tournament finals

And maybe the last day of the open

[hardy robin]

How is asia playing the first stage when we only have 33 teams?

[proud holly]

Considering the format, most regions would probably not even have enough teams to fill out the available spots in the second stage, maybe not even enough for the 3rd

[iron crater]

we’ll already have the final 16 after today lmao

[inner socket]

There are other regions? I knew only eu and ru servers

[onyx merlin]

In my opinion that use bo5 is better than bo3, even it takes more times but can truly test the team.
Boz there is only one qualification

[split cosmos]

@muted oreIn the case of servers with fewer participating teams, what if 16 teams fail to advance to the final round? Are we adding more people to the previous performance?

[chilly hemlock]

How would 16 teams fail to advance?

[hexed siren]

lmao asia has 18 in second round. even fewer in third

18 will shrink to 10 bc there are 5 groups

@chilly hemlock most likely only 6 teams will be in the "top 16" championship on asia

[chilly hemlock]

So 18 either shrinks to 16 or 9 with both scenarios using byes

[split cosmos]

Sorry, there is a problem with the translation. There are no 16 teams until the third stage. There are only 33 teams registered in Asia

[chilly hemlock]

Usually, that means a lot of early round byes

[cobalt yarrow]

I don't know how this is gonna work but it should be like that
If there is less then 256 teams stage 1 should be deleted
If there is less than 32 teams also stage 2 should be deleted currently Eu has 130-140 teams and most probably not gonna make it 256 teams also that 5 games rules not make sense if we don't play first stage

[muted ore]

Yes, in that case the teams from the second stage can go on.

[hardy robin]

We haven't got early round byes, and are now moving into stage 2 with 18 total teams left. I'm assuming they'll just hand out invitations to the overall top 16 teams after all is said and done

[crisp shore]

Does that mean we will be guaranteed 16 teams in Money Blaster Final provided all of them have registered?

[crisp mirage]

@muted ore will be ther more rewards then camo only for top16/8 teams or?

[muted ore]

@crisp shore Yes

@crisp mirage Credits, gold, free exp and money.

[crisp mirage]

So ther is no avatars or backgraund profiles?@muted ore

[thorn shale]

no professional avatar etc ?

[muted ore]

@crisp mirage Right. This is not the winter season. All awards are listed in the regulations.

[crisp mirage]

Ty for info

[thorn shale]

if it's not the winter season why is there the winter cyber camo? @muted ore

[muted ore]

Because this is a major winter tournament.

[modest whale]

Since it's so important the other rewards should be available as well! 😊

[thorn shale]

I see, but why remove the pro avatar and the background? If its a "major winter tournament"

[crisp mirage]

+10

[jaunty talon]

Great qualifying system. No wonder, after all, the WG has been organizing these tournaments only for 6 years. XDDD http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/56776-money-blaster-open-regulations/

[thorn shale]

and that's all ? top teams 4/5/6/7 etc only earn credits and golds? we make trains etc etc just for golds? it is not logical. to also have the camo available for the top 8 only in certificate? Wtf

I understand nothing, i have 150,000,000 credits and if I make top 4, I win 1,000,000? for a top 4?

[inland condor]

the rewards aren't bad. Great amount of money and 2 camos. Just be happy that there even is a tournament...

[thorn shale]

Yes ik man, we certainly make money, but we have to make top 3 😂

[gilded marsh]

wow a tournament that is short and has a good format with more rewards than previous tournaments. let me go to the #tourneys-discussion channel and complain !!!!

It’s ridiculous to see how many ppl think they are entitled for better rewards for placing low top 8. you’re already getting two camos that people have been drooling for, and a decent amount of gold and credits.

[crisp mirage]

Why u cant put avatars and backgraund profiles and like money for evry team in top 8 not only top 3places with that u get more teams and more players in by give them better rewards!

[muted ore]

📢 Dear players,
We have made changes to the rules of the tournament Money Blaster Open (region EU) and want to draw your attention to them:

— the limit of teams has been changed to 256;
— in the first stage teams that take 1st and 2nd places in each group go to the second stage of the Tournament (previously 1);
— in the second stage, groups will be divided by 4 teams (previously 8).

[inland condor]

it's a good point tbf. a little more spread out money prices for the top8 tor top6 or so wouldn't hurt the compscene

[crisp mirage]

@muted ore hello if u can change rules like that can u do something what i say beffor giveing better rewards for this major tournament i think top8 players deserve better they only 2camos for this kind of tournament?!

[thorn shale]

it's logic man... you are already removing winter so why are you also removing rewards

[gilded marsh]

im so bad in tournaments. woe is me. take pity on me and give me more monetary rewards than 1st place in money blaster.

[muted ore]

@crisp mirage We don't plan to change the awards in this tournament.

[crisp mirage]

What is point haveing 6k dolars for 1st place when you know u cant get it what is point of playing then when u know who will take it if u have better rewards ther will be more copmeticion for that top8 and more intresting streams to wach who will win that money in end

[gilded marsh]

then don’t play. if you want rewards, you gotta earn them. idk why ur asking to be given pity money for low top 8 placing.

[brittle bloom]

sounds like a you problem

[thorn shale]

you can not understand

[tawdry inlet]

@muted ore only the first place of second stage goes through stage 3 or what ?

[muted ore]

@tawdry inlet Yes, we didn't change that.

[modest whale]

I agree with Dubski#1738

[onyx merlin]

I don’t really get the point. Wg canceled the winter season, as exchange we have money banger tournaments. Moreover they says that they want to make this banger tournament more popular which it doesn’t, And less rewards.

I know it’s short, can I have a answer why u decide this? It’s a try? @opaque heart

Maybe some team get in top16 by lucky which means by match making and get a weak team. I’m not against anyone but since it’s short and no backward. Be honest I don’t really trust the group making system.

[opaque heart]

This tournament is shorter that the season.

[thorn shale]

+10

[tawdry inlet]

And also will there be a stage 3 or to soon to know it @muted ore

[gilded marsh]

I think he understands perfectly

[opaque heart]

This is an opportunity to try new formats.

[brittle bloom]

they increased the prize pool by 3.3k usd, add true challenger camo, i dont see how the rewards are bad. just cuz theres no pro avatar and background????? hilarious

ah yes lol @chilly hemlock

[chilly hemlock]

No one is making you play. Wg also doesn’t have to even create big tournaments in the first place. Be happy they do

[chilly hemlock]

Exactly. Is that your ign btw?

[glad tartan]

Lets be honest, this tournament is made just for russian region, like just check regs from other regions.. Asia hardly 33teams, NA is +- the same, EU can hardly have 256teams.
This tourney seems only interesting, when you have full reg (1k) and the only region, that can make it, is cis.. Pointless.

[chilly hemlock]

How. Every server gets the same prizes. Just because the format is created to accommodate the biggest server doesn’t make it bad lol

[inland condor]

The Tournamentformat is great ~ ThatsWhatSheSa1d

[chilly hemlock]

Everyone wants hand outs and participation rewards/awards. It’s ridiculous. Less prizes and more exclusivity is a good thing because it creates desire

[empty phoenix]

Some people make no sense fr

[fluid pilot]

^

[chilly hemlock]

Most of the people complaining don’t make top 8 anyways so I don’t understand why they’re so entitled for higher rewards when they possibly wouldn’t have gotten them anyways in winter season

[onyx merlin]

@brittle bloom If u only see there is increased about 3.3k usd in prize pool then u ignore they are only 3 team can get them. What about the rest? There used to be premium tanks and much more. Actually the reward except money, are just a date for wg.

[thorn shale]

@chilly hemlock if you want money go play fortnite you won't get any here

[chilly hemlock]

Pramo is top 4 every season so that’s not even true lol

Understood but what is wg supposed to do when there’s incredibly low turn out? They keep saying this is them experimenting so who knows if this even happens again

[fluid pilot]

Bro you actually malding 💀

[opaque ingot]

tanks was for top 16

[brittle bloom]

Previous seasons were 6.7k usd for top 4, its now 10k for top 3.
Premium tanks were for challenger tournament.
The thing is THIS IS NOT A SEASON this is just a tournament.
how many times wg needs to say to let all of you understand it. smh
before 2020 there were only spring season and twister cup so just suck it up and stop complaining.
aint change nothing nor get you any rewards
Tournament last for only 8 days and has those rewards, whats to complain?

[glad tartan]

I dont know, maybe they shouldnt make tournaments like this? Honestly, who thinks, this tournament is entertaining? Some Dimitri from Minsk, that played maybe one quick tournament with his fellas from work? Maybe they should listen to players, that are ACTUALLY PLAYING tournaments like this? Or maybe they can even have a look at community tournaments, that are way better than tournaments from WG? :d

[chilly hemlock]

If you have a problem with the rewards you get, stop complaining about what you get and focus on finishing higher

[chilly hemlock]

Language

[boreal dew]

Goodluck tonight teams it’s gonna be fun

[chilly hemlock]

I think a one tournament format with a $10k prize pool is fantastic

So much better than spending 2 months for $6.7k

[harsh quail]

Fr

[chilly hemlock]

Right and I agree. I look at this as them just testing the waters. If it works I’m sure they’ll refine it. If not, maybe back to long drawn out seasons. Either way I’m glad they’re trying something new

[empty phoenix]

If you want money either be top 4 or get a job. Stop complaining. This is the type of entitlement that is ruining society.

[merry blade]

What if your job is to play blitz?

[split cosmos]

Oh god

[brittle bloom]

get top 3 or just cry xdd

[opaque ingot]

short tour less time better rewards and yet ppl complain💀

[honest perch]

It would be quite unforgiving.

[gilded marsh]

does anyone have a top 3 team i can join. my entitled complaining got me kicked off my top 16 team so now i need a top 3 team to get my well deserved money. i play on NA server and my ign is BLXCKW1DOW

sorry. i will go to #tourneys-team-search now. thank you

[chilly hemlock]

Lol

[south fern]

@thorn shale here

[proud holly]

Hello gamers

[rare trellis]

LOL

[grave raven]

WG should promote tournaments more and try to engage players with them. No news that is starting but we got rated video and of course during tournaments instead of making people interested and follow them they make some key hunting thing. No wonder not many teams participate

[novel bay]

🤨

[sour mason]

His 5 concept 1bs

[modest whale]

I did not send strats to whalelegs but okay!

[empty phoenix]

The new na server meme

[elder laurel]

stop leaking strats !!1!

[steel temple]

I agree the -ELEV team should be banned for these disgusting actions.

[modest whale]

Hey you were leaking strats too !!!1!

[rose haven]

leaking droodles amx mle strats 😤 😤 u should be ashamed

[rare trellis]

can we stop hating on Droodles [CEASE]! He allegedly called for PNCR!!

[summer ibex]

Hey now, we don’t leak strats, we leak water out of our bathtubs, cuz we are washed 😶‍🌫️

[modest whale]

for real

[covert flax]

Drama drama drama 😂😂 I love it 🤣

[rocky crystal]

💀

[fluid pilot]

LMAO

[modern gulch]

Hello van magyar ?

[empty phoenix]

lololol the slander is real

[modest whale]

quick take screenshots before the mods delete everything!!!!

[fickle thicket]

So his strat is 2 111 5As and 5 concept bs?

[hexed siren]

You forgot an Amx Mle. It's like one of the best tanks because speed is keeeeeey @fickle thicket

[rose haven]

and a vk 72 😶‍🌫️

[jaunty talon]

There are still 55 groups, not 64.
How do you plan to solve this problem?
There will ultimately be less than 16 teams in the finals?

[hexed siren]

teams from round 2/top 3 teams per group from round 3 will move on to the finals. they already said that. Im guessing a last chance tournament or something to determine that

[summer ibex]

Skips is typing…

[merry blade]

I think I’ll just cry number 4th position isn’t good enough anymore

[silk thistle]

i mean....droodles is a hard working individual who didnt go to college to play blitz as his job. he also works at starbucks. awesome jobs! remember to work hard for your dreams everyone!!!

[modest whale]

I'm inspired by his story.

[elder laurel]

oops!!1! maybe don’t use the strats for moneybangers that you are gonna use for spring season

[fluid pilot]

🙏

[modest whale]

oops...

[elder laurel]

that wasn’t intended for apologies mr nomercies#7625

[proud holly]

🕺@harsh quail

[harsh quail]

Hello tiantian

[modest whale]

Mr Sky Sky

[spark pumice]

come on guys. the concept is just like an e5 but better! and the e5 was meta for three years! of course the concept will be meta

[modest whale]

👍 🏆

[fluid pilot]

You're right!

[proud holly]

Would you like to practice 1b spam with me? 👉 👈

[spark pumice]

No I would much rather 1v1 you to show that the concept is effective in 7v7 comp

[silk thistle]

I love droodles positive impact on NA comp! His input on meta is very useful!

[surreal hinge]

Of course, in a one-on-one engagement, a Concept 1B will easily be able to "smoke" a 60TP Lewandowskiego. Therefore, the Concept will be meta.

[silk thistle]

Just because it's meta it doesn't mean u should use it even if it has been proven to be effective! If concept is good in pubs, it should always work in comp! Just like the amx m4 mle!

[modest whale]

Your wisdom is astounding.

[upper oar]

@silk thistle stop with the sarcasm in this channel.

[proud holly]

Heh

[merry blade]

How to detect sarcasm in text?

[spiral swallow]

It is because wotb is a boring game to watch streams of, its a niche game in itself, the playerbase is insanely smaller compared to other big games
nothing to do with a few 40wr teams with 0 knowledge not doing esports, it would literally change nothing, numbers are super small anyway.

[tepid trout]

Hello, I saw that on the second stage for EU on the Money Blaster tournament, only the top 1 of each group progresses to the third stage. On the NA and CIS server however, the top 2 advances to the next round. Is this a mistake or is this intentional? @opaque heart

[crisp shore]

Intentional. Asia and NA server have different formats to take into account server size.

[fluid pilot]

I don't see any sarcasm

[silk thistle]

Satire.

[modest whale]

It's not satire, Loli is being serious.

[merry blade]

Clearly all the teams on every server was using the wrong tanks

[atomic tartan]

Ironically if we all listened to him and make 60TP disappear from lineups, the meta will actually be slightly better. Yoh and IS-7 arent nearly as busted

[surreal hinge]

Good thing I'm not the one who thought of that, then.

[desert matrix]

@opaque heart I’m trying to register my team but it’s not allowing one of my roster players, _CHONK, to accept the tourney invitation is there any way you guys could fix this by the time registration ends? Ty in advance

[boreal dew]

@muted ore hey, the tournament started but they didn’t show up. Do the 2 games we win by default go toward participation for rewards or what

[sinful crest]

@spring gale @vagrant phoenix @gilded marsh you guys matter 💖

[thorn shale]

😱

[lapis narwhal]

thats new meta

[thorn shale]

All strategies are equal.

[south fern]

Is all this really necessary? We get it, you don’t like him but seriously, also @fallow turret we knew it was a loss so we figured we’d have some fun with it

[proud holly]

@opaque heart @muted ore
Hello, I am currently observing that, at the end of the first stage of NA's Money Banger Open,
Only 26 teams are participating in the second stage, and I assume that 16 teams will make it through for the 3rd stage.

The concern is that since there's only 16 spots left, will there be any teams that get eliminated at all in the 3rd stage,
if there will already be 16 teams left by the end of NA's second stage.

[south fern]

We had leadership. The issue was we had too much of it. We ended up cutting the caller because it had to happen eventually. But this is a lot of the team’s first season so mistakes are expected. It’ll be a lot more refined come the spring.

As for you and our ability to win? What correlation am I missing there because I’m more than lost

[spark pumice]

Based seeding system.

[rugged grove]

wait until you see the hated bracket, literally easier than fall zr0 brackets and summer juno brackets

[ancient shard]

I enjoyed the first stage of money blaster open tournament.

[odd wolf]

burn
@wide pecan we played —REV today already and we got them again lmao based

[wide pecan]

Why did jkr get the easiest bracket lol

[untold tinsel]

i also enjoyed the first stage of the money blaster tournament as i enjoy playing tournament

[spring gale]

ikr i wish we couldve faced EC

[hardy delta]

Either way they were going to make day three with any bracket

[fast hare]

_Buddy#0099 was banned

dingdong#9655 was muted

_App1e#7726 was muted

vidar#4629 was muted

[chilly hemlock]

This channel will remain closed for the time being. Many individuals have shown once again that they can’t handle it, so unfortunately it’s lost for everyone

[fast hare]

___mani_94__#1649 was muted

NT2000#0359 was banned

_Tex#5622 was banned

[muted ore]

@boreal dew Hi. Rewards will be awarded only if you have played at least 1 real battle.

@proud holly 16 teams will enter the Money Blaster Final tournament.

If the groups of the third stage are fully formed, the 1st and 2nd places of each group pass to the Money Blaster Final tournament. If there are free slots, the 3rd place teams may also get a pass (the number of battles won will be compared).

[chilly hemlock]

@narrow meteor

[slim blade]

How is grouping decided?
I understand that strongest to weakest means the best wr faces the worst and 2nd best vs 2nd worst etc…
But there are 4 teams in a group. If the best faces the worst, what decides the other two teams within the group?

[fast hare]

_Rimosaur#6799 was banned

[chilly hemlock]

Zero tolerance going forward

If people want to ruin this channel, they will not be here

[fresh lance]

I like the name of the bot

[south fern]

Understood 👍

[narrow meteor]

I’m wondering, wouldn’t it make more sense to base who gets the last two spots in top 16 based off of team win percentage. I feel like if a team was knocked to the lower bracket they would play more games and therefore, would have more wins

[fast hare]

Artanis#1469 was muted

[orchid spear]

thats the point of the strongest vs weakest style seeding...

[covert flax]

My seeding is not very cash money 😞

[spark pumice]

@muted ore @opaque heart I’m really concerned about the next two stages of the Open Tournament on NA especially around qualifying for the Final tournament. There are currently 26 teams in the second stage which will be cut down to 14 teams going into the third stage. It’s been stated that there must be 16 teams in the Final tournament but there would have to be 2 teams taken from the second stage to fill that requirement then. My question is, How will those teams be selected because as @narrow meteor said teams that lose and are knocked to the lower bracket will have played more games than a team that has only won straight through to the finals of their group.

[rugged grove]

i think the losses they get on the way to lower bracket is still worse for winrate overall

that’s why i think they should do it by winrate not by games won. ideally there should be some sort of knockout bracket for the 3rd place teams that get eliminated on the second day but winrate seeding is probably best since that isn’t happening anymore

[young furnace]

I aint sirius but a friend of mine streamed comp and wg forwarded him to darth antonius, so u can maybe dm him

[fickle thicket]

Asking ahead of time but what will happen with twister cup this year?, will it be hosted regularly under that name this year or will COVID once again result in it not being hosted in RU and instead be virtual format with a different name?

[thick elk]

That happens 99% of the time, but he is the right guy. Just takes some time and a few tries lol

[young furnace]

Yea, my friend got an answer 2 months after he asked the first time, so hopefully they answer sooner this time 🤷‍♂️

[crisp shore]

Teams that win all of their games in the group actually wins fewer battles/matches (4 or 6) than teams that lose one of their games on tiebreak (7).

Based on this metric, this may encourage teams to intentionally lose their game to gain an advantage in this tiebreak rule, especially for the EU server.

[rocky crystal]

^

[atomic tartan]

wouldn't teams that win all their games already qualify as 1st or 2nd place?

[proud holly]

You can still qualify for 1st and 2nd by letting yourself get knocked into Loser’s semis for extra wins

[crisp shore]

You win 7 matches by losing 1 game on a tiebreaker in a double elimination bo3. If you win all matches in the group, you win 6 matches. This matters tremendously for the EU server as I believe if there are 7 groups in stage 3, tiebreaker would be applied to 3rd-placed teams and stage 2 results will matter this way. For NA and Asia, stage 1 results will matter.

And then, you have teams that are put in groups of 3 teams, meaning they win fewer matches inherently. (4 compared to 6 for placing 1st without losing 1 game for direct qualification to upper bracket final)

[mellow hawk]

The last 2 spots would be decided between teams that were 3rd in there group, cause obviously the top 2 already qualified, and so 3rd place either got W->L->L or L->W->L. This means that they can get up to 4 wins (2 on the W and 2 from tiebreaker losses) regardless of if they stay in the upper bracket or drop to the lower bracket. However I do agree that win percentage would be better as some groups have 3 teams which do have less games which would put teams in those groups at a disadvantage by WG’s current method

Actually do WG count wins across all stages or just the stage in question? If all, then the start of my message don’t actually matter 💀 and what has been said before me is right

[rocky crystal]

What happens if a team ties on total wins?!

[summer ibex]

I agree with all of the above. In my opinion, a team's overall win % in the Money Blaster should be the tiebreaking variable in consideration for 3rd place spots and** not** total amount of wins.

To reiterate, under a system where ** total wins** are counted for comparison of the third place competitors who would otherwise be eliminated, teams will be encouraged to lose their first match with a score of 1-2, and then try to win the rest of the games afterwards. This one win turns a lost match into a resource that can be used for winning. This makes the system flawed, because intentionally losing should never benefit anyone.

Alternatively, under a system where a team's overall win % is counted for comparison of the third place competitors (who would otherwise be eliminated), teams will be encouraged to win every game, because every loss counts against them in the case they end up in a tiebreaker.

Please make the tiebreaking variable a team's winrate. If it remains as total wins (as @muted ore has previously said it will) I don't believe Wargaming can hold a team responsible for intentionally losing matches, because Wargaming would be the entity responsible for creating a system in which doing so is beneficial. After all, every team just wants to win, and if throwing a match results in a higher tiebreaking chance (and therefore a higher likelihood to advance to the next stage), it is bound to happen.

If more clarification or explanation would be helpful, please feel free to ping me or directly message me. Thank you for your consideration.

@opaque heart

[tepid island]

i love the money blaster tournament. it is very fun. i cannot wait to play tomorrow!

I agree with MeowkittyNumber1Fan, the seeding system for money blaster tournament is very nice.

[rocky crystal]

😕

[spark pumice]

3 top 8 teams in the same group on the second day of the qualifying tournament! How bizarre!

[wicked breach]

Being the 18th seed is funnnnn

[summer ibex]

Aren’t you guys the top seed for that group because you beat PRAMO in the grand finals of the first level?

[spring gale]

they are acting like anything but pandas pls disregard them

[summer ibex]

I got a ping from sirius but cannot find it

[muted ore]

@summer ibex, @spark pumice, @narrow meteor Hello. Thank you for your suggestions and willingness to help. We will make a decision after the 2nd stage and try to select the teams for the final tournament fairly.

[winter swallow]

Good analysis and suggestion. Seconded.

[summer ibex]

Thank you, sir. O7

[inner socket]

If u see the situation in eu is also no sense. Groups full of top32 teams and jones/aini and Sparta/W1n in sand groups. This is not how to have the top teams in final tournaments 😂

[winter swallow]

This issue with "groups of death" is the result of using public match win rates as a proxy for expected tournament performance (seeding).

The solution is to use tournament results/performance to seed teams. No quick fix exists but a system could be developed to better seed teams for likely/expected tournament performance.

[hoary comet]

Its quite sad to see a lot of good teams out just because they got EG or something in the groups

[gray pond]

^ I completely agree, the seeding system should be based on the results of previous tournaments.
Wargming has tried several types of systems so far, so it might be a good idea to design one based on that.

[chilly hemlock]

I’m sorry what? The whole purpose is to have 1 winning team. At some other high end teams are going to get knocked out

[chilly hemlock]

Elo or some kind of system similar to ratings I think is the only way to go at this point

[thorn shale]

is there any standings for this money tournament atm?

[winter swallow]

Not really. You can check your region's website to see results and upcoming matches. However, tournament is more knock-out rather than league at present so standings not applicable - i.e. it isn't like a PYS / Ascent format.

[tame bone]

@inland condor hello.

[split cosmos]

@muted ore In Asia, only 10 teams have entered Stage 3, and the final number of teams is 16, but the team with 4 members will only go up to third place, right? Then only 9 teams will go up?

[winter swallow]

WG said they will fill those spots - either by selection based on results or with last chance tournament. I think?

[calm atlas]

Its funny how teams cry cuz they have eg/ jones / loca or other top team in their group, like even if u wouldn’t have them in ur group and advance to top8 would you cry cuz u must play vs them there? If u wanna be top team u have to beat team like this. Im not speaking about current tournament cuz u cried even before when u had 8 quali tournamets

[split cosmos]

😀 👌

[winter swallow]

Yes and no. I think the problem is that there will be a few top 16 teams that won't make the final tournament because of today's seeding and there will be a few top 32 or top 32+ teams that will instead. Realistically - no top 16 team is confident they can best LOCA, EG-, JON3S, RA1D etc. in top 4 or top 8. But ALL teams want to progress as far as possible on merit rather than getting knocked out because the seeding God does not like them.

Seeding God related to but not to be confused with RNGesus.

[tame bone]

Seeding God... hmm

[inland condor]

Hello. Do u like tournaments?

[waxen relic]

Just saying but i think seeding based on previous tournament results would annihilate the chances of any new team whether they're good or not

[calm atlas]

I agree, i dont like quali that we have now, imo old system with 8 pys is better but with other seeding than due to average team wr cuz there’s many “ghost teams”

[muted ore]

We will invite 16 teams to the final tournament. If there are fewer teams in Stage 3, we will invite some teams from Stage 2.

[tame bone]

i suppose so, do you?

[inner socket]

And is normal to have one team between Sparta and w1n out, and lot of top32 teams in third stage, only cuz they did some rerolls?

[inland condor]

I think so aswell

[split cosmos]

@muted ore Thank you for your answer. I want to ask you one last question

So if there are not enough people on stage 3, will the game be played and the fourth-place team from the group be removed from the tournament? (If the remaining seats are played separately), there are not enough teams, but if they are removed from there, nine teams remain.

I wonder if the fourth place will be removed even if there are not enough people. I know that we can go into the 3rd place, but if we don't have enough people, I'm curious what will happen to 4th place.

[atomic tartan]

Not really. 2nd and 3rd overall still get significant cash prizes, so it does matter who actually finishes 2nd and 3rd. High end teams should not be knocking each other out in this case

[muted ore]

@split cosmos First of all, the invitation will go to the teams of the 3rd stage (3 and even 4 places, if there are free slots).
Next, teams from Stage 2 will be considered.

[chilly hemlock]

Normal is relative. Back in 2016 and 2017, I would say absolutely. Since then, not as much

[split cosmos]

i see, Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. 🙏 🥰 👍

[limber lintel]

this format is fine for the very top teams, like top4 probably won't have any issues at all getting tot eh final stage, but for some top8s with unlucky seeding and especially for top16 level teams this format is just inadequate

we need multiple qualifcation rounds, imo 3-4 is completely fine, but 1 qualifier is just gonna result in upsets for top16 sometimes even top8 level teams, I don't get why from ?8? qualifiers (I think) last season, we went all the way down to 1, can't we just have the middle road, like I don't get why it have to go from one extreme to the other

3-4 qualifying tournaments of 2 days like a previous format with their individual 2 stages, 2 of those a week, that then leaves 2 weeks for a round robin or whatever format for the top8, top16, ... individual final tournaments, if you want to cramp it into one month that is, which is not necessary imo, but it seems from past experiences, WG just want a compact season

[chilly hemlock]

Within the last few years, there’s far more safety nets through long qualifying and seasons. This is more like when we first started and groups of death easily would kill off favorites

[orchid spear]

There were 4 ascent tournaments last season

[limber lintel]

haha oops had summer season in mind, but they were 3 days each tho right?, which basically is equivalent to 6 2-day qualifiers

[winter swallow]

Not quite as bad as 2016 GoDs but almost - I mean, for EU it isn't too bad, but I see for NA it is a really tough situation.

[thorn shale]

@muted ore is there any penalty for changing ign during money blaster tournament ?? (penalty i meam money or ig rewards or something)

[thorn salmon]

there isnt

[inland condor]

They track the players by an internal ID and not ingame names so no

[thorn shale]

but but when my name changed, doesnt my internal ID remain isnt it?

[proud holly]

Ur ID stays the same.
Think of ingame names as like a discord nickname

[scenic gyro]

Its the same thing im p sure, just like converting numbers into percentages, the only difference is how WG will determine which wins count; from first stage, second stage, or total

[shy sun]

Maybe just put the cybers in shop, anyone can get them these days anyway 💩

[simple kraken]

Just wondering if anyone else has the issue that the tournament doesn’t show up for them? I can’t see the tournament in my garage and if I look up the tour manually it does appear but I can’t click on it. Just wondering if anyone else has the same problem.
I hope so too

[scenic thorn]

Yes I've been facing this issue
I hope it won't mess up the tour invites

[narrow tiger]

Same problem here

[fast hare]

ソニック#1106 was muted

[glass thunder]

yes

[burnt glacier]

Tournament button in garage doesn't work

[glass thunder]

if u open game in touch it say tc but if u open it with pc it say pc allowed xd

[sonic flame]

nice prank

[blissful slate]

Lol

[jolly kite]

@winter swallow
Very happy to see you back streaming again even if it was in a short tournament

[fast hare]

RA1D_Blue_ / Kevin#8903 was muted

[mellow belfry]

if im correct either A1N1 or us will be out after this match, this system is not good if at the 2nd day this happens. I hope for next tournament WG thinks of something better

[fast hare]

e.n.#7945 was muted

[jaunty talon]

XDDDD

[slim blade]

@muted ore @opaque heart hello, in the deciding match both teams killed the entire enemy team. The enemy team was awarded the point for this even though our tank killed theirs first. May we be awarded the point instead?
Our team has a higher winrate in the tournament than the enemy team. We should be awarded the point.

[winter swallow]

thanks man - will be streaming 3rd stage and some of the final tournament too.

[burnt glacier]

@winter swallowhope you will keep streaming, big man

[analog osprey]

.

[shy sun]

Best season no 🧢

[winter swallow]

Will do. Can't cover every evening but will cover what I can. Also nice handle. Bladerunner OP.

[rapid shard]

Enemy team died first
(Death message is only there for enemy)
Still win is accorded to the enemy team
Explanation pls

[proven tartan]

I do love this game sometimes…. petition to remove Ammoracks from tournaments

[rancid hare]

either overall damage or hitpoints idk

[proud holly]

🍿 _ _ I wonder what the lineup for the finals is gonna look like

[tulip finch]

call me a madlad but i might be able to see the future and the future tells me a lot of 60tp and IS-7

[slim blade]

the win is declared when a win condition is met. a win condition was met when our e50m destroyed their is7. after that no win conditions are valid. why have we been knocked out

[proven tartan]

This man who I have never met before is speaking facts

[elder prairie]

lmao

[cobalt yarrow]

@muted ore since only 7 groups in third stage how will be final stage groups decided?

[burnt glacier]

I guess % of wins in this tournament through all 3rd teams

[winter swallow]

It's balance act for WG. They need to try new things to improve tournament system. MBO has pros and cons. Pros = shorter and better viewing experience for audience. Cons = Higher pressure on teams & higher liklihood of higher performing teams facing each other earlier in a knock-out scenario.

[empty phoenix]

Off topic but is that Austria in ur pfp

[cobalt yarrow]

yes , passing Leclerc on that screen

[silk thistle]

Please keep the channel tournament related!

[glass thunder]

who ever thought we will have problems with new system xd
nice work wg keep the hard working
@winter swallow i think players had problem with one month of playing and no break else 1 month season or more not bad if u have more days to rest / do life

[chilly hemlock]

@pastel vapor idk what exactly your problem is. Tournaments have winners and losers. Given the format, there’s more room for upsets and early exits. I would have thought given your name and picture, you’d be familiar with this concept

If you can’t handle it, maybe tournaments aren’t for you

[inner socket]

Even I think that jones/aini and win/Sparta in second stage is not worth. Rest of teams that are crying for be out are trash talking

[chilly hemlock]

What even is your point here?

[blissful loom]

Ok but when a normal top 8 clan gets booted from the tournament in round 2 since their seeding was bad, but top 32 clans are making it to stage 3, it kinda seems a little unfair doesnt it?

[burnt glacier]

Don't use 60TP and IS-7, cause both meta and EZ ammo racked
Big brain moment

[chilly hemlock]

So we should seed everyone by hand instead of making people earn it? Got it

[onyx merlin]

To avoid this case, when I use 60tp I never angle my hull and use protective kid and improve module as equipment🤔
Honestly, I never been ammo racked in 60tp before. even there is some cases but still no full hp ammo rack

[blissful loom]

No, but at least have a fail safe for this, i never said hand pick the groups xd, but its 2 months of training for 1 bad group and there is no second chance for them. Example of a failsafe: the points system from autumn season

[burnt glacier]

@thorn shale True that
Imagine choosing tanks for tournament by ammorack HP and chance of destroying it

@onyx merlin WG loves you. No way to prove it by another reason...

[chilly hemlock]

I’m sorry what? This isn’t a season. It’s literally a one off tournament. These things happen. No one was either around or remembers the time before seasons which is why “this is bad”

If you spent two months training, then what’s the excuse?

[blissful loom]

One off torni true, yes stuff happens, and also i wasnt crying about myself i was asking on behalf of a1n1, so sry for asking a few questions, maybe can u explain it, like 4 teams and 1 goes through with no safety net for the rest

[burnt glacier]

I'm not mad
Thought you are joking, so follow it.
🤔 🤔 🤔

[slim blade]

In this situation a rematch of some sort or an appeal should be possible. Games like this should not even be possible. But I guess rules are rules and that stuff can never happen

[chilly hemlock]

Have you never been in a group of death before?

[chilly hemlock]

Isn’t this exactly what tournaments are about? The thrill of seeing teams either perform or crack under pressure?

[outer isle]

Agree but u r not Top16 player

[fast hare]

iiiReichkonen [PRMn2]#3326 was banned

[inner socket]

Ahahhahahah

[glass thunder]

Raid/a1n1 top 128 nice
Can we get a special avatar for it ?

[outer isle]

@glass thunder renamed avatar is fine ig

[regal remnant]

^

[winter swallow]

Yes true. But. It could be improved.

[chilly hemlock]

Of course. I just find it funny/ have zero sympathy because for the people that played comp in the beginning, this was common. Very rarely did the “right 4 teams” make the final 4

[tawdry inlet]

Forgot W1N 😅

[winter swallow]

LOCA almost got knocked out too. 1:2 then 2:1 vs the Chromie Rangers ... the following emoji is foe the name of their opponent not the results. 😂

[regal remnant]

good games from chrom

[waxen relic]

Imo bo3 is too short
When 2 similar level teams fight it's too RNG based
Btw we got 2 ammoracks in one game in the deciding series
Not saying we would've won the series without them but bruh

[chilly hemlock]

Bo5 is the best until final 4 imo. Then bo7 for top 4

[glass thunder]

@muted ore will we have top128 tournament in eu for teams who lost today or season is done for us ?
if yes when spring season ?

[shy sun]

If spring season the same when summer? 😳

[outer isle]

Wow.

[covert flax]

@chilly hemlock which battle format do you like the best? Bo3, Bo5, Bo7, or Bo9?

Thanks my bad I didn’t realize

[chilly hemlock]

I said it above

Bo5 for everything till final 4, bo7 for final 4

[alpine shard]

tournamen

[waxen relic]

Yeah i truly think bo5 is much better

[proven tartan]

Agreed with the bo5, bo3 you can lose one game (if it’s 1-1) just because of rng and youre out. What happened to us (PINK) and also TTT and I think RAID also lost due to a Ammorack and because of the bo3 format there was no chance to change it

[sonic flame]

not just one ammorack 😏

[thorn shale]

Is it possible to watch somewhere the last match you've had?

[sonic flame]

unfortunately I havn't played the tourney

[inner socket]

OFC pay him for replay in ds

[thorn shale]

Damn, tbh we thought that it was some bug when it showed 2 0. But that's life, that's Blitz

[rocky crystal]

Extremely unfortunate, sometimes in tourneys (especially in qts) this happens because both teams fail to gain caps and hands a random team a win like skirmish tourneys. But in a scenario like this… it shouldnt happen and you guys shouldve won

[gusty topaz]

I believe for next season it should be top 1 qualify on day 1 and top 2 qualify on day 2

Groupings were filled with x2 top16 teams that lost their chance only because 2 teams were allowed to qualify on day 1

[limber lintel]

I think next season having multiple qualifiers would be a good idea, :/

[crisp shore]

At the same time I also feel this won't solve the fundamental problem since it's equally likely you could get 3 strong teams in a group.

I also think this tournament is more like a cup rather than a season, so the seeding and the top 16/4 might not be as accurate as previously, which is understandable given the most popular cup competitions are also like that, but maybe slight changes to the format in terms number of qualifiers and how many battles to win would help determine the top teams better.

[gusty topaz]

Man we had our full hp 100LT die from ammorack by blind shot

[gusty topaz]

Which ultimately would mean the finals would not be as exciting as before for viewers. Top teams were knocked so early

[rugged grove]

good luck to all my fellow north american players in tonight's money blaster tournament! may the best teams win.

[novel bay]

🤝

[modest whale]

matches won I believe

[chilly hemlock]

Either that or they run 14 teams with 2 first round byes

[narrow meteor]

f

[hardy robin]

Wg said that they’d always fill up the 16 teams in the final

[south fern]

@thorn shale GG, pleasure fighting against you.

[spiral swallow]

blame yourself
why you guys have to cry at every season when you lose is completely out of my mind

[alpine shard]

we'll see

[narrow meteor]

should be win rate, @alpine shard yall would get in that way

[spark pumice]

check sirius's last message he said they would decide a different way after this or the final stage

[viscid tusk]

^

[fast hare]

SpyrO__#8259 was muted

[alpine shard]

that would be very cool

[fast hare]

rekt#1379 was muted

woof89#4531 was muted

[chilly hemlock]

I said it before

People are going to be respectful, or they won’t be here

It’s that simple

[summer ibex]

#tourneys-discussion message

[chilly hemlock]

If it’s controllable, I won’t close it. If it’s 50 people again, I can’t handle that alone

[modest whale]

i think they should choose 4px!

[runic jetty]

no

[sweet kite]

.

[untold tinsel]

bro what

[chilly hemlock]

Excuse you what? I’ve won two offlines. Have you even made top 8?

[potent trellis]

cheese

[silk thistle]

🍿

[chilly hemlock]

Also. Moderators don’t even work for wg 😂

“You don’t know anything” how ironic

[empty phoenix]

That right there was a violation

[quick robin]

🍿 this should be good

[velvet karma]

Can someone give me role?

[fast hare]

murcury333#6042 was muted

光る#3272 was muted

[viscid tusk]

Well, say goodbye to tourney chat I guess

[patent karma]

Because everyone loves droodles

[chilly hemlock]

If one more gets posted, I’m banning them for 2 weeks

[maiden anvil]

do not use the d word no playershaming,

[chilly hemlock]

And the others

[silk thistle]

We should respect everyone!

[gilded marsh]

@muted ore on NA, there are 14 teams that made it to the 3rd stage and will definitely qualify for top 16. how will the final two teams be decided?

[leaden crow]

draw them outa a hat

[spark pumice]

I just wanna know how the ponda pramo matchup has happened every single stage 💀

[orchid spear]

Fr fr

[daring swan]

IMO the last two teams should be decided by win % from the second stage

[maiden anvil]

hopefully last chance tourney

[fallow turret]

whichever team spends the most money gets in. Best way to decide it imo

[modest whale]

#tourneys-discussion message that's all they said

[fast hare]

Shimura#5043 was banned

M773#3500 was muted

[chilly hemlock]

Tbh that could be closer than you might think

[velvet karma]

If they did it by Win total for 3rd place teams here’s how it goes
4PX: 10 wins
BLM: 9 wins
RIVAL: 8 wins
BETTA: 7 wins
EC- : 7 wins
REV: 5 wins
ASTA: 4 wins

[fallow turret]

that would be so messed up because those top couple teams played more sets of games than the others. A last chance would be the best way to decide

[velvet karma]

REV and ASTA didn’t have a matchup for 3rd place so they missed their games @chilly hemlock when do you think we’ll have our answer?

[chilly hemlock]

I don’t work for wg so I can’t say for sure. They’re 5-6 hours ahead of est so maybe in another 5-6hours?

Hopefully soon

[nocturne tiger]

knowing as soon as possible would be greatly appreciated

[proven birch]

Yea we didn’t have 4 teams in our group both stages

[smoky elm]

I just got into a tourney team... trained for 2 months... played my first real tourney (Money Blaster Open)... got eliminated by BOON and RORY (seeding: 4 teams)... AND I don't think it's a waste of time... I don't find any major problems in the seeding system! I would, however, prefer a Bo5 rather than a Bo3 (more experience to be gained). 😄

[foggy flower]

It makes the most sense by team wr, that's how its always been even for seeding.

[thorn shale]

I agree ^^^

[chilly hemlock]

Thank you for your constructive feedback. Glad you had fun, maybe an easier bracket and some growth for next time 😉

Also yeah. Bo5 is the ideal way to go

[proud holly]

ayo lemme slide in 😩

[terse perch]

👀

[summer ibex]

even if they do it by team winrate, -BLM and 4PX have the highest wins AND winrate
those are the only two teams who deserve it

[fallow turret]

last chance

[thorn shale]

I prefer last chance

[velvet karma]

Perhaps a “challengers” bracket is to be set in place?

[wide pecan]

Challengers would already be the top 16

[nocturne tiger]

i agree with whalelegs

[chilly hemlock]

The optimistic side of me is hoping that wg is learning from trying something new and will hopefully plan / prevent these situations better for next time

[foggy flower]

-Ec has a higher WR than BLM

[spark pumice]

Publicly broadcasted last chance tournament with all the third place teams from the second stage

[south fern]

I’d roll with MeowKitty. Basing it off a last chance winner take all style tournament seems the most legitimate. The winner of that tournament and second place get those spots and proceed with the 3rd day as normal

[steel temple]

Talking about winrate in the tournament specifically, no

[chilly hemlock]

Cool idea, great for streaming but I doubt they’d dedicate the time for it imo

I don’t think they’d want to have to do the extra work and mess with their own schedule (even though I like the idea)

[summer ibex]

BLM has gone 9/14, EC- is 7/16. 9/14= 65% with rounding, 7/16= 44% with rounding. EC- isn't even above 50% bruh

They would not use pub winrate to determine tiebreak.

[thorn shale]

got mauled

Platter simply was missing his shots on purpose as a warning to the enemy team saying “FEAR ME” but PRAMO was not fearful of _BlackBuster. Next time _BlackBuster will call like a Lion leading his pride without fear

[proud holly]

Nii im gonna put you on a leash

[fallow turret]

kinky

[foggy flower]

or tie 3rd place teams all for 16th place

[toxic remnant]

👁️

[solid mountain]

Bro, wtf happened

[toxic remnant]

?

[glass thunder]

U are not sirius so i don't remember asking u

[proud holly]

goteem

[thorn shale]

How about 1v1 death matches in practice room as a last chance stuff. The best player of each team duel against each other.

Pretty sure it won't take too much time.

[flat goblet]

That would be funny

[proud holly]

Dunk244

[thorn shale]

NA could definitely benefit from more streamers.

[cobalt yarrow]

They already did mess up for some reason , split 28 teams into 7 group on eu instead 8 and im really wondering how they gonna make bracket for final

[burnt glacier]

Exactly
I don't understand what was problem to make some groups which will consist of 3 teams instead of 4. What is reason to make qualification to final stage more complicated (I guess best teams by % will pass to next stage)

[proud holly]

i nominate dunk

[winter swallow]

I see EU has 7 full groups of 4. Tbh I think it's good.

It means WG will run a last chance tournament next week.

This is a fix to the whole groups of death issue we had yesterday.

[cobalt yarrow]

@winter swallow how about those groups, how will be decided final stage who is winner of 8th group 😂 , if it's some 3rd place teams that means group 7 first place team got top4 easier than others that makes no sense

[inland condor]

considering the high amount of topteams that dropped out i think a last chance tournament will give better gameplay in the finals than inviting 3rd places. so i think that would be good

[winter swallow]

Ah shoot. Good point. Yeah last chance will be based off 3rd stage... no time or logic to launch last chance off 2nd stage.

[inland condor]

well it can be done for all teams that registered in the tour for example

[latent olive]

Tbf A1N1 were somewhat slapped with the 2nd round grouping, especially its main team facing off against JON3S. RA1D etc were darned unlucky with the RNG and the ammo racks. Ngl stage 2 of this tour was brutal, only top 1 going through and Bo3, but I think the tour overall is pretty good and unlike PYS there is clearly no easy option available

[hardy robin]

In asia’s case there are only 10 teams even qualified for the third stage, so a last chance tour could be run between 6 high performing teams in stage 2 I guess. In EU though there should be some chance to the high quality teams that got unlucky in stage 2 though, although it would be tricky to orchestrate

[winter swallow]

I mean for EU I would run it for all 2nd place teams in 2nd stage - so that's 28 teams - put them in 2 groups of 14 - Single Elimination Bo3. Strongest weakest mm. Top 2 from each group advance to 8th group in 3rd stage.

Reseed entire 3rd stage.

Hold that tournament tonight.

Cause more problems than you solve. 😆

[inland condor]

well some teams from 3rd stage that didnt qualify would complain but imo its a good idea 👍🏻

[winter swallow]

Or - have last chance feed directly into final tournament.

So you have 28 x 2nd place teams from 2nd stage in 2 groups of 14 playing bo3 single elimination with top 2 advancing to 8th group of 4. Only seed that group with those teams. Play that group out as final stage of last chance tournament - same parameters as 3rd stage tournament. Double elimination bo3. Top 2 advance to final tournament.

Hold both parts of that last chance tournament next week. Doesn't affect tomorrow's stage. Solves issue of groups of death from yesterday. Possible drawback is some teams alreasy in 3rd stage might feel hard done by but arguably that last chance format is a tougher route in for 2nd place teams from last night...

[cobalt yarrow]

So basically teams got through on 3rd stage are out but top2 from 2nd stage have last chance ?? I don't think its a good idea

[latent olive]

As I said this tour has been brutal, which isnt necessarily a bad thing if I am being honest. Its always interesting to see under dogs perform well and if they just happen to get through, by messy gameplay or RNG being on their side then fair play to them.

Like I said, there is no 'easy' option in this tour, unlike PYS, and as such teams just need to perform, like it or not. Its an 'Open' and in that regards I like the fact that no one is safe. Yes its disappointing to see the likes of RA1D, TTT, PINK, A1N1, W1N and such go out, but its also nice to see teams progress who under PYS would never really have a chance.

And I say this from a position where no one give my VE1L team a hope in hells chance, we were considered a joke, but the guys worked hard to get through. Yes it wasnt our best performance and yes it was messy, but for a team that didnt even exist a week ago credit where credit is due, they worked darn hard and gave it everything they had.

[gleaming schooner]

But you know the last chance tournament is regarding the 3rd place teams of the 3rd stage, because 14 teams will take 1st and 2nd place, and the Last Chance Tour is for 3rd places, not the clans that dropped out yesterday

[dull remnant]

I think we should make teams vs other teams like in professionals and see which teams accumulate the most wins within the top 16 to proceed through instead of 2 hit k.0

[gray pond]

^

[winter swallow]

Yes I know. Trying to find a patch for dynamics of 2nd stage.

Last chance tournament format based off 3rd stage could use same principle though - 1 group of 14 playing playing a large single elimination bracket of death.

[simple tusk]

They wanted make it faster, which is make sense. But second stage or at least grand final of it shouldn’t be bo3

[winter swallow]

I think people here are unanimously agreed that Bo5 as a minimum for this format is essential.

[inland condor]

well I think giving another chance to the finalists of 2nd stage isnt dumb bc it was double elim for every stage except of course the finals so some teams didn’t lose any battle and then just had some problem in the final… so why not give them a chance aswell. for example 3rd and 4th places from 3rd day and 2nd place from 2nd day

[gleaming schooner]

It was also the case in the 1st stage, so why not also add 2nd places of the 1st stage?

[inland condor]

ah yes true. they should be included aswell.

[slim blade]

+1

[gleaming schooner]

Yes, I know, but my message was sarcastic and I don't see why would you suddenly give a chance to the team that already got out. There is not even that much places in the final tournament. And what, some teams didn't qualify to the 3rd stage and are not gonna play it. Then, after the 3rd stage, the last chance tournament for the 3rd places. And if they would invite 2nd places from yesterday, those teams would just skip the 3rd stage and go right through just by playing the last chance tournament @inland condor

[forest matrix]

Most complains are from sub optimal seeding system that makes all of this a reroll fair

[inland condor]

well there are 2 spots i think left some in the final tour. thats just one way to determine who will go. other possibility is to take 3rd places (which will be most likely worse performing teams than in a last chance tho) . and that issue that u speak of with skipping is not of relevance here, since if they will not beat the teams in tour 3 they most likely also wont win vs the competetors for a last chancetour . but yeah wg will decide and i can understand both options have some points going for it

[burnt glacier]

@muted ore Hello!
Can you answer how exactly you will decide who will get 2 last spots for final tournament on Europe server (cause we have 7 groups)?

[simple tusk]

Maybe it will be top14? Like 2 teams missing first round of final stage

[inland condor]

they said they will fill top16 with teams

[cobalt yarrow]

@muted ore + also how will be groups for top16 because we don't have group 8

[inner socket]

This would be stupid. Litterally the only good way to manage it in eu is to do a last chance tour between all third teams in stage 3. And the teams that get final pass to final tour

Would also be interesting to know why Sparta have to be su unlucky with groups 😂 @gleaming schooner

[gleaming schooner]

Best option, and they are gonna do that most likely

[gusty topaz]

It was not only A1N1, many top 16/32 teams got eliminated just by being unlucky in their grouping. Another example is SPRTA and W1N. On the other hand, some people had really easy groups and qualified just because of that. Let us not mention that some teams won the lower bracket final 2-0 and then lost 2-1 in the upper so in total they actually won 3-2. Yet there was absolutely no value for lower bracket final. And the entire idea of letting 2 teams qualify from stage 1 and only 1 team from stage 2 does not make sense. Like you give 50% teams a second chance (many teams in first stage didn’t even play, so getting 2nd was easy), yet you absolutely deny it for your actual top 16/32 teams

[velvet karma]

Tough groupings happen, it’s really tough how it’s left up to chance on who you get paired with and in cases where it’s a really brutal group, you almost feel helpless

[dire sand]

so is there is any changes will be happing in the tournaments ?

[burnt glacier]

Many?
Only 2 groups(4 teams)
SPRTA/WIN, AINI/JONES

[gusty topaz]

Okay then go over the groups again

[wicked pasture]

Wonder if it would be possible to have a "tournament rating" for each player in a team where everybody starts with, lets say, 3000 points.
Each game won in an actual tournament (season coins, pys, the big tours that arent 7v7.. basically everything thats not qt) gives +10 for each player. Each game lost, loses 10 points.
This rating stays with each player until his account is deactivated (or can be reset at a certain time ig) and the seeding for a team is determined by the average of the top 7 players by rating in the team.
You would have to play the game in order to gain or lose the ratings points, this would prevent players from freeloading (or being used like the 100% wr rerolls)

Just something ive been thinking about, the starting amount of points and the gain/loss can be changed obviously

[glass thunder]

idk how wg were thinking but it was clear that u must make sure u have full groups from stage 3 so just do the 3rd best from stage one to stage 2 and u solve this problems with 4 more groups we avoid some big teams clashes

[burnt glacier]

When you don't have any arguments, just ask to make smth useless. Good job, mate.

[inner socket]

Don’t compare win/Sparta and aini/jones to other top32 teams that got kicked. Other groups were totally fair or litterally easily to get. Is an insult to see so lot of player cry for their “seeding” in second group. Idk u, and idk others that are crying, but guys if u are in a top32/64/100 team what u pretend to have? To get top8?

[thorn shale]

so, is WG going to make announcement about how they gonna fill in those blank spots?

It seems like EU's not the only server with those issues.

[summer ibex]

#tourneys-discussion message

Sirius previously said that they would count total wins, then he said this, so perhaps they will decide by a team's overall winrate between the first two days, or they may hold a last chance tournament. Nothing has been confirmed to my knowledge.

[inner socket]

I see players that do 1 or more rerolls for cw, cringe af. Is a clown fiesta. Happy that in my team no one is a reroll. And wg should put as limit not 1k battles at 10 but 5000

[gusty topaz]

I'm sorry I didn't pay attention to your group, so yeah I'm sorry for my time that was wasted on you

[thorn shale]

Thanks, mate. I didn't see the chat above

[burnt glacier]

Still no arguments,who also had hard group, just clown performance . Well ye, this is pointless conversation

[inner socket]

Beh it was stage 2 in the end. Were all decent groups and 2 death groups 🤷🏼‍♂️

[summer ibex]

Yes sir 👍

[fast hare]

Dunk244#2103 was banned

[chilly hemlock]

Totally understand your point. Honestly I have no idea how it’ll be handled so I’m interested in just watching

[chilly hemlock]

I would rather flip a coin than do a 1v1 and have someone win on rng

[glad tartan]

Smartest idea would be to just make last chance tournament for teams, that will end up on 3rd place for last 2 spots in top16

[chilly hemlock]

I want 6 and I’ve already submitted their names. I also have a few ideas for the tournaments channel and how to change it

[onyx merlin]

About grouping, there was some ez group, that's true. but w1n and sparta was close game. only unlucky team was a1n1,who faced jones. Raid lost boz they troll first game and ammo racked twice in 2nd game. Boz of troll, raid doesn't deserve to win

[chilly hemlock]

I’m sorry what? No one deserves to win. That’s the whole point of competing. If you don’t take it seriously or have a bad game, the only thing you might deserve is to lose

Groups of death are nothing new to blitz. We simply haven’t seen them in a while

[velvet karma]

What did Dunk (my clan lead) get banned for🤦🏻‍♂️
But on a more serious note, it seems that there are a lot of WG people online atm so can we assume that the final decision is being discussed at this time?

[chilly hemlock]

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I don’t think I’d assume that. I imagine they already have a solution they like though

[latent olive]

Sorry don’t 100% agree on this tbf. Yes some teams got put into tough groups and yes some faced RNG, but fact remains that teams like A1N1 actually had more chance than most to progress, they had 2 teams in stage 2 tbf. Yes the main team got a bum deal drawing JON3S but the 2nd team had every chance to get through. From my own experience I’m not even fielding VE1Ls A,B or even C team yet VE1L is a top 8 clan. Should I have expect to get through? Ofc not, just because we were Top 8 doesn’t mean we have an entitlement, we have fight to get to where we want. I’ve already had others tell me we had easy groups well if I had the main team I’d agree but this is team that didn’t even exist a week ago and did 1 single training session where we got totally wrecked by CHRD. Now we face LOCA & ASP and if we go through, bonus, if not then we gave it our best shot but we didn’t make it. We will be disappointed but we will dust ourselves down & see if we can improve. I certainly won’t blame anything or anyone for our failure tbh

[velvet karma]

@latent olive I apologize if this question makes me sound uneducated or slow but I take it you played last night too in EU server? On a side note this paragraph makes EU server sound scarier than NA compwise

[inner socket]

Tbf what we know is that this format let the tour be more streammable from start. Win/Sparta and loca in second stage.
Veil/loca/asp; immor/apa/sprta and eg’s group in third stage. Sure will be funny to see

[latent olive]

I did yes, kind of. I didn’t play I was on the bench, but my team played and I was involved

[latent olive]

It’s a tough tour and I had a long chat with my guys and told them that Weds was going to really tough, but to play the best they can because that is all we can ask. I’m proud they got through and I’m under no illusions that Friday will be ultra tough, but we will do our best, play to the best of our ability and if we lose then so be it, because we got outplayed by better teams, simple as that. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been real with my guys & told them that getting into the very final stage maybe totally out of our reach, certainly getting prize money places is. Top 16 is within our grasp but only we ourselves can achieve it and if we don’t well there is always nxt time 😊

[chilly hemlock]

I really wish more people had this mindset instead of just crying and complaining. Good competitions shouldn’t be easy and and it makes winning that much more satisfying

[inner socket]

Ah be it’s same for me. We will face immor and apa and the 2 teams that will deserve it more will pass, with no excuse. But I m Italian and I like to cry seeing others groups 🤣