tourneys-discussion

[tired iris]

this looks like a "Having fun in our game is against the rules" kinda rule ngl

[cedar hatch]

How would you calculate cups then??? Cups given for places, not battles

[hollow raft]

We lose top16 cause unfair MM gold #3 7URKS, RNG and ASP same group L O L

[muted ore]

You are talking about a hypothetical situation. As I said earlier, there are enough clans in the hall of fame to participate.

[thorn shale]

better delete us but dont give no deserved team top8 😉

[tulip finch]

If playing different for 1 game is a Problem then the previous 100% seeding should be an unsportsmanlike conduct too

Change my mind

[cedar hatch]

Funny to blame random seeding

[rugged grove]

imagine meming one game and getting nuked by wg... tfw the devs try to pretend that they care about the game by doing stupid things like this

[topaz berry]

It's too much for something not confirmed. I mean, if we watch they battle, we can see that the played normaly... Nevertheless, if they did a mistake, delete the cups from the battle not from the whole tournament... they lost soo much time for nothing

[formal pecan]

True

[hollow raft]

@cedar hatch a funny random seeding yes lol

[tardy bay]

Unsportsmanlike behavior should be punished

[regal remnant]

bruh we thought the battle was already decided

[burnt glacier]

@hollow raftahahah -ASP- undair for you?)
What was problem to win us and take TOP-16

[violet comet]

You lose top 16 because u are not good as a top 16 team stop find excuse

[magic stump]

What exactly did they do to get this punishment??

[sinful galleon]

letting guy farm 11k dmg

[thorn salmon]

I can tell u what we did, we had 5 tanks or something ajd they had one single tvp left and we told him to just farm us for fun. It does not change anything of the result and we didnt throw any of the 4 matches we played against 7urks

[jade hornet]

if u deserved top16 u wouldve won vs the top16 teams…

[rough tusk]

Step 1: engage in unsportsmanship conduct and break game rules
Step 2: Get cups deleted
Step 3: cry
Step 4: Blame wg for everything💀

@tulip finch ik they let the last guy farm a ton of dmg but thats still rigging

You cant have a black and a white approch. Rigging is rigging. Doesnt matter if it affected game result or not. @tulip finch

@tulip finch I think 9 APA players got banned so they did get punished

[unique shoal]

When the rules of fair play are broken there are consequences.

[swift turtle]

WG - taking not serious every season and players complains - fine
Players having fun which not affect anything- not fine
Remember guys, we have serious eSports in the game, don’t you dare to break anything

[slim blade]

lmao

[tulip finch]

@rough tusk maybe you should get informed what happend first then try justifing dumb decision's

It's not rigging they didn't change the outcome of the game they still killed the dude

Then I don't get how apa was able to go full monke 100% accs for several seasons which is much much worse

[cedar hatch]

True. Even 1 more thing. Eff raiting. Kekw. There are more teams with better wr even such thing

[hollow raft]

@jade hornet but 7URKS and RNG not in top16 before, top8 lol so nop we can lose 2:1 but still losing

[leaden belfry]

thing is that regardless of whether it's for one battle or the whole matchup, gamerules still apply

in this case, rigging to achieve 10k+ damage

[rugged grove]

stats literally don't matter in tournaments wdym

[topaz berry]

don't say bullshit like that haha. Final had an ezy MM during the whole tournament. But, I agree with you about the last mm with only 3 teams but you had your luck as well for the beginning. So be fair as well plz

[sinful galleon]

it isn't allowed to let a guy farm 11k dmg and we win at the end? it didnt even change the result so i see no reason for this punishment

[leaden belfry]

@topaz berry pls edit out the profanity

[thorn salmon]

If anyone wanna see the replay of the match we got punished for. We not even trolled the full match, we played normal in the beginning and trolled in the ending.

[leaden belfry]

nope, it literally isn't 😬

[inland loom]

Wg rigging also the summer of 7urks and rng 14k cups is overkill why just put them a malus of 2k cups for exemple

[leaden belfry]

it's also on the tournament stream: https://youtu.be/PjrNwkRoxXY?t=5382

starting about there

[outer isle]

I've a question. My clan is currently top 16 (we never rigged). If 7urks and rng lose all their cups they will change all the "ranking"?

[regal remnant]

well we thought it was allowed otherwise we wouldn’t have done this

[crisp mirage]

@inland loom tomorow top 8 today top 16 op

[leaden belfry]

tbh, not being aware of the rules doesn't make it wg's fault if they're broken

[tawdry inlet]

It surely will mate

[tulip finch]

Well if that isn't a reason to quit this horrible game then I don't know what is a good reason to quit let all the good players leave so bots can finally get top 8

That's just a huge go bleep yourself to everyone caring about the game just like the silver thingy before

[leaden belfry]

I'm sorry this happened to you guys, I was happy with you that you reached top 8, but the game rules have always been like this

[fresh inlet]

11k damage didn’t change anything right? We played bad and lost. In winter season some teams did worse but they didn’t get any punishment now why are u deleting our cups?

[rough tusk]

I think it was on stream so they got punished. If it werent, they could probs get away with it. WG doesnt want this kind of behaviour broadcasted obviously. There is no justification or excuse

Idk why 7urks got punished tho. Was the TVP not supposed to shoot? @leaden belfry

[swift turtle]

Honestly, WG looks like an angry little kid, who desperately needs to show who’s in charge here punishing no matter who at any reason, which at least for 1% correlates to the rules

[leaden belfry]

the issue is that not everything can always be proven, but this was alas very obvious in the stream

[slim blade]

—RNG will probably drop out of top 8, however 7URKS has enough cups collected to stay up in top 8 even with this setback
@burnt glacier oh damn, I didn’t realise lmao

[burnt glacier]

7URKS out

[magic stump]

Does tournament battles reflect your career stats?? If not then this decision is pretty dumb

[formal pecan]

7urks as well cuz they can’t play today so other@clans who qualify can play tonight and earn more cups

[thorn salmon]

@leaden belfry ok explain me what it changes to the result when we "rigg" for 10k damage. Tell me what it changes pls i wanna know it.
Also just to mention, EG and AQUA did something similar on wgs winter grand final stream and they didnt get punished at all

[hollow raft]

This summer is broken i think wg should put the old tournament format back, so many clan lose cups so fast, start with the silver deleted and now RNG and 7URKS cause "Unfair play" lol

[sinful galleon]

Or APA with their 5 100% accounts which is far worse

[cedar hatch]

It would be hello 100% accs again

[leaden belfry]

don't go off on me now. Nothing changes, the end result is still the same, but the rules are and have been very clear about this, always. It's right there in the game rules, not even just the tournament rules

[outer isle]

Rng yes, but 7urks is still in

[tulip finch]

I'll ask myself if that is a problem why, iirc, was APA able to meet another APA team in previous tournaments that's technically rigging even if they play normal because they face themselves which results in a win for APA in every single case

@leaden belfry do you have the rights to put reactions below messages in this channel ?

[leaden belfry]

I have my own thoughts and opinions on this and the other things now being brought up

[violet comet]

Stop cry ?

[leaden belfry]

but that doesn't change what's happened here or that it was very obvious on the stream what happened, which kind of forces WG's hand

[rough tusk]

While I feel bad for you guys, they did not technically break any rules using 100% accs or fielding multiple teams

[calm atlas]

They are for now, but after today’s matches they will be out

[jade hornet]

7urks could still be in top8 even with today i think

[topaz berry]

hahahahaha the mind changes when you back top 24 bruh....

[rugged grove]

this makes me extremely upset even though i do not play on eu.

wg, i see this as a failed attempt to uphold your eula, which was not even broken. by the definition of your own eula, a game is only in violation if the outcome is intentionally altered by a player for the sake of some type of gain. tournament battle damage is not a relevant stat, and the outcome of the match itself was unchanged. by your own definition, this game was not rigged.

if you devs want to seem like you actually care about your game and your community, you would do a better job about the silver tournaments. you would do a better job organizing a fair tournament system in which teams do not get 10k cups for free with first round byes in gold tournaments. what you don't do is something this stupid.

it's almost like you want your community of competitive players to hate you more and more. do something right for once in this season and rescind the cancellation of their gold cups. it's the right thing to do and you know it. hop off your high horse and power fantasy and stop screwing players over for absolutely no reason.

[fallow turret]

Summer szn Is like 2020 was. Just when you thought it couldn't get worse it does

[proud holly]

ill prob ask this question again a few days before the actual challengers start

@tepid island dn

[slim blade]

where’s the 1 day of premium account we deserve

[magic stump]

So now wg is going to punish every team who does this because I have always seen strong teams doing this very often. They are not always on stream but they will be punished if someone raises a ticket?

[thorn salmon]

The game rules say that "Rigged battles or similar actions of any kind to archive high stats, in game rewards, etc". We both already had top 8 and nothing wouldbe changed thats why this decision is so extremly dumb and useless bcuz we didnt brake any of the exisiting rules

[thorn shale]

@leaden belfry then why when Apa vs apa they kamikaze in stream they don't got a malus ? (I don't blame apa) just found that unfair then

[crisp mirage]

Lets go wg frst take 8.3k cups for wining silver turnament now take 14k cups bc one game that one tank farm...afk players gg #makebpstop8again bc they reported us 100%

[leaden belfry]

because WG decided that that wasn't obvious enough

[hollow raft]

@topaz berry my mind not change lol, Now that for the other clans who took away cups from us, it was our 2nd season, it won't change anything for us

[leaden belfry]

as said, I've got my own opinions on stuff like this, but in this case, those don't change wg's decisions

[leaden belfry]

yes, if wg deems it obvious enough

[cedar hatch]

If they dont receive cups for today's final stage, unfortunately, apa, krnk receive cups and they drop off. Quite sad

[gleaming pollen]

well this tvp got high xp reward for it. So you can argue you rigged him free xp. xD

[violet comet]

I think u will never change WG mind so stop justify yourself it’s done it’s done guys.
And yes 7URKS can’t do Top 8 now and it’s sad for them …

[torpid yacht]

Then Why didn’t wg punish other clans that do same thing last seasons ? U should fix invitations and tournament systems insead of be punishing to clans
Welcome the experimental summer season.
I hope wg has learned his lesson

[sinful galleon]

it seems like WG wants to get rid of competetive players

[rugged grove]

its almost as if wg is trying to dig themselves into a deeper and deeper hole every single day. the players are upset. are you going to actually address our concerns or give us one day of premium time and call it a day?

[slim blade]

Wargaming getting funky with the Summer Season

[crisp mirage]

@leaden belfry do something you are cc like evry wildone and fugit talk with wg make something for community....we dont dersev top8 but we get luck and put all time to evry turnament and we make it and now wg want take from.us what we bc one game...

[thorn shale]

@sinful galleon someone in wg say execute order 66 xd

[leaden crow]

WeeGee is actually big brain... they pull all this stuff in summer so now twister looks amazing

[devout lily]

This whole thing is bs! Ye wow he was allowed to do 10k dmg for the memes and what did he/they got?? Exactly they still lost and got nothing special and now you want to punish RNG for having bit of fun in an already for sure won battle @leaden belfry

[leaden belfry]

my saying anything about this doesn't change the game rules. I get wg's decision. I'm gutted for you, and I was so happy for you that you reached top 8 - but it doesn't change the game rules

[fallow turret]

At this rate who is gonna even play twister

[leaden belfry]

there was a guy once that got permabanned over saluting, because just before that, he and the guy he was against (that he'd never win against, based on HP alone already) were talking about not shooting each other in game. He got his ban shortened to 14 days because it was his first time, in the end, but that's how close the rigging business can get

[leaden belfry]

@leaden crow edit out the profanity, pls

[thorn salmon]

Cmon there is no single rule that says that u cant have fun in tournaments its such a dumb decision maybe evens more dumb than the silver tour decision @leaden belfry

[leaden belfry]

guys, server rules don't change. I get the upset, I'm not liking this either, but don't make me have to mod you for this

[regal remnant]

then change our removal of cups to a warning , because it’s our first time 🥺

[leaden belfry]

I'm not wg, I literally can't

and these aren't bans

[wicked breach]

I have a question, what did 7urks do wrong in that battle?

[unique shard]

@warped patrol +1

[crisp mirage]

Who.have mod we want wg officials here to talk with them@leaden belfry if they can change something we want to talk with them its not 1st time that they take cups its 2nd time this season...like let them come here and talk with us

[devout lily]

At best no one. Lets just not play twister then WG can't hold an actual tournament (or the top clans just don't come to the finals or so) would be kinda funny ngl....espically WGs reaction when both teams aren't appearing xD

[swift turtle]

how about a1n1 then? isn’t it obvious that they match fixed to kick out znth? @muted ore

[thorn shale]

@swift turtle XD they have to execute order 66

[gilded marsh]

they were having fun (letting tvp farm 10.9k) but the outcome of the battle didn’t change. Wg is punishing them from a technical point of view. Unfair but it goes to show how poorly wg is handling the summer competitive season. first the silver cups and the trash compensation, now this. Can’t catch a break and it feels bad for anyone who’s affected by these cup removals.

[burnt glacier]

No no
Let them be victims and cry about -DWF- and -TTT-
It all the time looks like a drama

[ember reef]

Impossible they are not qualified for the second day

[scenic thorn]

Emulator here xd

[tawdry inlet]

Most inconic season

[violet comet]

Top 10 actually and they don’t play today so top 16

[thorn shale]

Imagine being top3 and suddenly getting kicked from it when some teams did way worse #apa

[muted ore]

@swift turtle Do you have evidence of a violation? We will not punish clans without proof.

[wicked breach]

Was it not rng though that let the tvp farm? So technically didn’t all 7urks do was shoot the enemy tanks? Were supposed to just stop playing when rng were supposedly rigging? I’m a bit confused on why 7urks was punished, feel free to correct me

[primal talon]

Idk why anyone got punished,what the hell happened now?

[crisp mirage]

@muted ore what is proof for takeing cups from rng and 7turks? Did we lost game no we win and they win athers bc they are better team

[fallow turret]

They shot tanks which was clearly in violation of wargamings humanitarian code which all tournament players were supposed to have read.

[thorn salmon]

Read the last pinned message

[burnt glacier]

Guys, buy R-2-K replay for 800 euros pls
Just to have fun from punishing 1 more team
UPD: Ask L1UETENANT

[thorn shale]

I will do it xd@burnt glacier

[swift turtle]

if Im not mistaken, someone from rng has replays from r2k, why not posting them here

[thorn shale]

best summer waste ever, thank u wg for this decision

[sinful galleon]

WG's just killing this game slowly at this point

[wicked breach]

@muted ore Could you elaborate on what 7urks did wrong in the situation? What should they have done differently?

[devout lily]

Srsly @muted ore get your stuff together and rethink this! There was no reason for this move and it also wasn't rigging as it didn't change anything of the outcome or so! Just give both teams their cups back! There was no actual rigging cuz it didn't chage the results of both teams, it was a tour game so it doesn't count into stats and they literally only had fun and this game is there to have fun!!

[tulip finch]

Should be obvious that WG want to kill comp

• sheridan last year, arguably the most toxic game mechanic which took them 1 year to remove and also removed rolling

Then the Silver season stuff this Summer

Year full of terrible MM aka 100% APA teams

Literally the only point for good players is comp and that ure taking away because they had fun once in this game full of trash which doesnt even have stable servers

And it takes years for WG to get people that actually rig like Appho in ranked or certain individuals from APA that were accused of rigging quite a bit

[thorn shale]

well then ban us from this summer tour:) and leave top6 teams to play

[unique shard]

@swift turtle R-2-K big come back 😎

[outer isle]

R2k top 8

[sinful galleon]

WG should better sell this game to another company cuz how bad u handle it

[primal talon]

I 100% agree with you,since its pretty obvious that Appho and some others were Rigging, its also pretty obvious that A1NI intentionally lost so they could kick out znth and get safeley back into top 8,yet they choose to do nothing and punish teams like rng and 7urks

[tulip finch]

I dont think WG takes actual feedback from any server except RU because these balances changes are very very odd ive not once seen anyone complaining about FV215b beeing too strong and also very few Maus complaints
Same with other chnages

[devout lily]

That's already a fact for years.....they also only actually listen to their RU CCs and all the Supertesters are mainly RU aswell. WG gives a shit about EU, NA and especially Asia

[burnt glacier]

@tulip finchwho told you that they care about RU more than about rest lol

[silver vapor]

I don't get the crying here??

I initially thought it was just some subtle fun that caused this sanction, but it wasn't the case. I was pointed to the stream by wildones' and it is disgusting and a huge disrespect to the players who are playing in the same tournament, streamers who are taking their time to stream the tournament and the viewers who are watching it. It is the BIGGEST clown show I've ever seen.

Have you guys seen any other esports that show you games like these? where you can get away by not doing anything for 3 minutes, and letting enemy farm off you for 3 minutes straight?? and try to disguise it as a "server" lag issue in chat, or by playing it off by saying it was all "fun and games"??

Show some self-respect if anything. Cause you guys are not showing anyone anything worthwhile to be part of this community.

[tawdry inlet]

Bahahah that's so true man

[shy sun]

@muted ore we can get the evidence on A1n1 throwing the game vs r2k, will u take action on it?

[frosty nexus]

@silver vaporI even can't say better.

[thorn shale]

Ez to put only 6 to do like they lose without throwing

[thorn shale]

biggest clown show, you’ve prolly never seen APA tournaments games. But I like how this team(s) (?) didn’t get punished for that

@warped patrol love u 2 no homo tho

[frosty nexus]

it is not a but only the prediction

[upper oar]

if that's what truly happened, its pretty embarrassing for the teams. Tournament battles are meant to be played 100% seriously, especially at the top stages. Create a training room and mess around there, there are no rules in TR's

[burnt glacier]

APA just doing business with selling places to polish comrades from FENIX
Dont touch these businessmen

[shadow topaz]

Co

[calm atlas]

Ok apa selling places and bps buying players, what’s difference

[tulip finch]

well then APA vs APA was one big clown show and nothing happend to them
The fact that 100% accs made you a easier seeding for quite a long time is an even bigger clown show and a huge bleep you to everyone that cares
Its time to separate the entire community

because its proven stuff that had no backlash at all
streamed aswell iirc

[glass thunder]

Guys its really not good to talk about a1n1 with no proff u can even ask for replays from r2k or a1n1 players who played we are not that good to win 6vs7 losing 2vs1 in 6vs7 was good result for us we live in real life u can't punish someone for comming 1m late then didn't reveive invites

[upper oar]

i don't remember why the discussion has to do with other clans besides the ones that had their Gold Cup tournament cups removed

that stuff was in the past, I'm not even informed what happened with those clans so I can't even say anything about it, and I doubt WG is willing to look into previous history to punish those clans

its better late than never that WG cracks down

[burnt glacier]

@calm atlasno difference if you don't know what logic is
@glass thundercan you cry about -DWF- and -TTT- pls I believed it more than explanation about R-2-K

[devout lily]

Can we get a 👎 reaction to see how many would react there @frosty nexus

[silver vapor]

@thorn shale the regulations and enforcement of the tournament rules are constantly improving. If anything I'd be glad wargaming acted upon this incident as it is a huge step over the past years where rigging reports were not enforced upon. It is understandable why you guys were upset that some other clan didn't get clapped by wargaming in the past season where similar things has happened, but it should not be a justification as to why you guys are upset about RNG and 7URKS being on the chopping block here.

[cyan timber]

Look its wargaming staff on alt account

[upper oar]

bruh

[rough tusk]

@frosty nexus any reason why 7urks was punished tho?

I fully agree with RNG getting punished bc they let the tvp shoot them but what was 7urks fault here?

Was the tvp not supposed to shoot them? Wouldn't that be breaking fair play rules too?

[thorn shale]

its now war

[formal pecan]

xd

[calm atlas]

Man what’s ur problem with them selling spots, it’s their problem if they will lose because of it

[slim blade]

7URKS is the team which took 7 TVPs to the Grand Finals

[upper oar]

😂

[fresh inlet]

Is that illegal? Take 7 same med tank

[torpid yacht]

I guess wg didn’t watch the stream. They just saw the battle result and they decided to punish both teams

[burnt glacier]

If you think that it's ok in any type of cyber sport I don't have any questions, chill
I'm just too dumb to understand this business model

[devout lily]

Ahahahaha nice one xDDD seems like some of the asia region players are just WGs stuff on alt accounts LMAO

[upper oar]

i don't disagree that the tournament scheduling is completely overkill and that players are being overworked. but tournaments are still supposed to be a professional environment and rigging matches (even if it makes no difference) is always against the rules

[real pendant]

if u see the end results of a game and u call that rigging, then theres a big problem

[rough tusk]

And you're just RNG on alt accs who came here to cry

[crisp mirage]

I dont work for wg that i know that rule that we cant have fun for.playing this game why you play this game to win money only???....

[thorn shale]

Yes I have kids to feed

[sinful galleon]

xDDDDD

[tulip finch]

when more YT content

[leaden belfry]

Keep it civil

discussing stuff, perfectly fine. I get that things get a little heated, but server rules apply and I don't want to have to lock this channel or mute people while we wait for WG to respond

[unique shoal]

rules for fair play are clearly stated in tournament regulations
when you play tournaments, you're agreeing to those rules
whats the crying about, when you break a rule there are repercussions

[gray pond]

@warped patrol this season video has to be long enough to show what's happening
Will be the video of all time

[slim blade]

Didn’t we have some kind of scenario like this a few months ago with [PPSUC]

[regal remnant]

@muted ore because it’s our first time of denying/messing with the rules, can u change the removal of cups into a warning pls we didn’t expect punishments and surely not this punishments

[outer isle]

Stop lie, people aren't stupids

[devout lily]

Im not from RNG lmao Im just against WGs stupid decision and supporting RNG as they did nothing wrong except having some fun KEKW

[calm atlas]

There’s many players who are ready to pay to get pro avatar (which i don’t understand) and apa use it to earn money

[burnt glacier]

XDDDDDD

[fresh inlet]

We rushed with 7 meds is that forbidden?

[shy sun]

2016 meta

[real pendant]

is having fun forbidden?

[rotund rivet]

i guess the 2016 obj 160 meta was against the rules then kekw

[rough tusk]

I think it happened in winter finals between EG and AQVA too where EG shot their Krans in the air. RNG is claiming that EG didn't get punished so why should they be and "we were just having fun"

@fresh inlet no it's not. Feel bad for you guys. WG just saw the battle results and arbitrarily banned both teams when only one team was at fault

[leaden belfry]

having fun isn't, passive play, is

[tawdry inlet]

They were having fun by playing passivly xD

[leaden belfry]

passive play rule > having fun, unfortunately

[thorn shale]

Stop blowing my mind

[unique shoal]

@limpid geyser @fresh inlet that was directed to rng, where you can clearly see unsportmanship play

@real pendant in this case its like a troll blocking teammates. the troll is having fun while no one else is

[slim blade]

It might not be forbidden but let us be honest it’s about the biggest middle finger you can give there

[formal drift]

Hey, ASP and RNG aren't the greatest teams. In fact, they performed this season but never went in top 8 before. If they proved stronger they can move on to next stage, learn to lose. Btw, very few groups were easier than yours, if they were, only by an almost insignificant bit

[leaden crow]

@thorn shale welp passive play, there goes my strats

[torpid yacht]

We didn’t play passively but we be punished again

[gray pond]

Why just removing cups? How about permanent ban?

[thorn shale]

@gray pond it's treason then

[dim river]

bit far much?

[regal remnant]

agreed

[cyan timber]

Not me but mojkar has enough juice to make his seasonal video 🙂

[tulip finch]

sadge wanted to see more Happy content xD

[fresh inlet]

But i don’t understand If they don't shoot, what are we supposed to do? Wait until the end? Or jump from bridge?

[tired iris]

i wonder which salty pro reported us and 7urks lmao

[fast hare]

ERNEZD#5474 was banned

[formal pecan]

op

[silver vapor]

excessive passive is explicitly forbidden in the game rules. I guess no one saw the scene where the 7URKS Maus refused to fire a shot for a full 30 seconds despite having clear shots and was shown to have the ability to fully drive and conduct minor controls with his traversing of the tank throughout the entire scene.

[crisp mirage]

What pasive play tvp was shoting all time like what pasive its pasive when no one shoot and wait to timer end...

[real pendant]

mom im on youtube

[fast hare]

IwonTheInternet#5924 was banned

[carmine solstice]

mom get the camera

[thorn shale]

XDDDDDD

[calm atlas]

Ernezd☹️

[fresh inlet]

We had lag that game u can’t blame us for this reason. if we count passive play, let's delete most clans' cups

[devout lily]

Look they now banning people cuz WG and the mods don't know what to say against hahahaahah

[formal pecan]

He was aiming smh it takes time

[cyan timber]

Hes just a rusty player..

[thorn shale]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[outer isle]

🤔

[jade hornet]

precise shots on an e5 are quite difficult tbf, bas just tried his best to hit

[burnt glacier]

🤔

[gray pond]

🙄

[shy sun]

@thorn shale keep them coming

[rough tusk]

Somebody buy the damn replaysssss

[leaden belfry]

no, those two got banned for speaking Polish instead of English, which they've been warned and muted for before

[quartz knoll]

Why did rng lose 13k cups. There was no violation . Just fun that didn’t change the outcome of the game… why does wg listen to the top players crying and feel like they have to do something

[leaden belfry]

@thorn shale pls edit out the profanity. I don't want to have to delete your message

[thorn shale]

No one asked 😘

[sinful crest]

Are both RNG and 7URKS out of top8

[thorn shale]

oof

[leaden belfry]

Because passive play is a violation on its own

[real pendant]

and uh where are we supposed to read this?

[leaden belfry]

in the game rules

https://legal.eu.wargaming.net/en/game-rules-blitz

[slim blade]

gets to grand finals
refuses to just play the game

[crisp mirage]

Can we get some worning or something@leaden belfry bc we 1st time ever see this rule...like can you do something for us

[fresh inlet]

But we played active and respectful

[magic stump]

This applies to random battles as well?

[leaden belfry]

not according to the other screenshot with the Maus - haven't yet seen that battle myself, mind

[regal remnant]

rip, can the removal of cups be changed into a warning pls, we didn’t want to mess with the rules

[leaden belfry]

this has been in the rules for literal years

[cyan timber]

🙀 a little mess

[balmy cobalt]

Will wait answers

[upbeat iris]

Weird bit of consistency, sure punishment could be expected, but why was this basicly never done in the past for similar offenses?

[glad tartan]

Ofc we are

[leaden belfry]

Because WG often doesn't deem it obvious enough to take action

and in this case, they do

[leaden belfry]

you'll have to ask WG

[leaden belfry]

yes

[calm atlas]

U let tvp farm u, it is passive play

[formal pecan]

Idk why does this happen to a non known clan but when top clans do it wg doesn’t even acknowledge it

[outer isle]

What does it means.

[shy sun]

Its funny how 7urks did not rly do anything and they re getting punished, but no one saw APA rigging few seasons 👍

[leaden belfry]

don't tag me for that, I just mod the server

as said before, I have my own opinions on what's happened previous seasons, but it's not my call to make

wg takes action if they feel it's obvious enough

[shadow topaz]

You always have a problem to us. Its so funny xd.
Video coming soon

[leaden belfry]

unfortunately, in many instances where it's obvious to us, wg disagrees

[sinful galleon]

if it happens to a known clan they arent going to do anything

[silver vapor]

but hey it's at least a good start where they finally acted on the first (iirc) unsportsmanship conduct within tours

[jade hornet]

summer season video? ohh nice

[crisp mirage]

@leaden belfry tell then wg stufs to come here to talk with us 7turks/rng players and make deal we lost 20k cups this season

[real pendant]

oh thats really cool, only in this case, yeah for sure seems pretty obvious , but why closing eyes on other cases? hm?

[thorn shale]

Well I want to know why I got banned for rigging, it was enemies that broke the rules and they didnt want to kill me 😦

[tulip finch]

they acted on a minor problem but ignored a huge problem for several months or even years

[gray pond]

Yes please, just make the greatest video for this desired season. It will be so fun

[leaden belfry]

they have, before. And I want to trust that they'll do so again. only most of the time, it isn't obvious enough, to wg

[quartz knoll]

Surely you can understand that we shouldn’t be penalised for something that has no effect on any other clan in the tournament. Most clans do this and we are the only ones penalised.

Just sad that the top players in the community only try to get others banned or lose cups instead of acknowledging other teams.

[pearl phoenix]

Because your matchmaking was just so ez that they won’t let you compete for something clans need to earn

[leaden belfry]

Sirius has been replying though, so they are here

[sonic patio]

Wg forgetting again that they messed up some teams in the tour this season and now taking more cups away over minor offenses a bit too much ?

[balmy cobalt]

imagine to be in 10th or 9th place in summer season and hope the ban of 2 clans in top 8 to get Pro Avatar 🤣
It will be unfair and ridicolous

[glad tartan]

Kinda dont understand, Why they took cups for the whole tourney, since it was just one match..
Ok, they cups for the 1st day, But Why the fck are we not getting cups for 2nd day? This is bs..

[fresh inlet]

@calm atlas tvp actively played and was shooting, what should we do if the other team is not shooting?

@leaden belfry There was a lag in that game. Our maus player was trying to aim well so as not to miss it. other maus couldn't move because of ping u can watch stream

[burnt glacier]

Some of my team had lags yesterday too so I believe it
Why do WG punished 7URKS? So confusing

[shy sun]

I agree on the lags, we ve all had them and it was barely playable at times

[heady birch]

Imagine punishing teams for playing bad because of the lag and not punishing yourself with making so many bugs.

[formal pecan]

It’s so sad the moment we see a new clan on top 8 something like this happen and they didn’t even get a warning atleast give a warning so players can be aware of that and not do it for future games but to instantly lose them their spot it’s unfair specially that it’s been done before but the moment a new clan is on the leaderboard does it it’s not allowed

[calm atlas]

I also dont understand why u get punished if u played normal

[halcyon cove]

Girls from RNG crying after getting self-inflicted ban? Cute.

[tired iris]

I bet if LGN, APA or any other pro knows clan did this exact same thing, literally nothing would've happened

[thorn shale]

XDDDDDD

[jade hornet]

7urks is quite known tbh

[torpid yacht]

I didn’t see any rules about take 7 same tanks

[pearl phoenix]

Bro it’s not only about your gameplay it’s also about your such poor matchmaking we’re you guys were so lucky that playing hard was not even needed and they don’t want this to be the case because of the unfair game that makes it for the other clans that are putting a more hard fight then RNG and even worse is that poaple defend a normal top 16 team that shouldn’t even be in top 8

[quartz knoll]

Yep so hype in vc for first top 8 and then to have this … just because other clans say we got it easy and don’t deserve it . Such a nice community

[dreamy ridge]

xddd

[rough tusk]

You should try to send the replay to WG support and point out the ping issues for the Maus player. There is nothing that you guys did wrong imo

[tulip finch]

everyone on EU has lag issues atm the server is having a stroke for several days now constant 10-17% loss even my teammates say that when im asking them

[heady birch]

I rememebr Carna 1st and 2nd team playing all t22 and obj140 in Winter and also Apa jumping in water on Port Bay, same during Winter season. But at that time wr seeding alowed them to do it.

[sinful galleon]

@shadow topaz use this for vid

[shadow topaz]

Not funny

[formal pecan]

I’m not even in rng and I’m annoyed this just proves that this is bs “cute” bro please stay in Asia server discussions

[barren gate]

7URKS out of the top 8 ? What happened basically ? I am curious 🤔

[thorn shale]

You are do funny xD, nice comedy. You make my day 🥰

[sonic patio]

In asia we have ping spikes as well.... scared wg will throw us out of top league as well if not Mm

[pearl phoenix]

Well honestly you don’t deserve it but top challangers yes I would say so try to make something up that you can play challangers but forget it that you can play pro this season

[fresh inlet]

I'm happy if you have a good day in your pathetic life

[quartz knoll]

You are so salty for not getting top 8. If you had different mm you wouldn’t complain. Having different mm is no reason to be banned smh.

Your now in top 8 because of us.

[thorn shale]

XDDD

[shy sun]

@quartz knoll even if u guys lose the cups we will still not get top 8 cuz of another clan full of mfs called A1N1

[thorn shale]

naughty kebab 🤔

[gentle sierra]

🍿

[pearl phoenix]

Oh I just relised that we are top 8, bruh well to be fair we don’t deserve it either and I am only happy about it because it’s my last season for maybe a hole year, but if I am proud about it,no plus we work get pro either because we don’t play today so we are missing 6k cups

[quartz knoll]

That’s why we were so happy for getting top 8 for first time . That’s why we are so upset . Yet no one understands

[burnt glacier]

You are not TOP-8, chill
After today tournament day

[thorn shale]

Znth isnt even top16 lvl stop talking,

@tulip finch let’s not talk about gneis playing in top8

[tulip finch]

gotta agree on that one
im not even mobile and im not really into tours aswell

i bet next season even worse stuff will happen and it will go unpunished

[spice briar]

Well done by WG for the hard punishment, it should be like this for the next seasons as well, hopefully a good tournament system will come tho so all of this is not needed. 👍

[glass thunder]

@cyan timber he is trying to get carna banned do somethig
@wintry dawn they did stop playing and let players farm damage and wg didn't like that

[sinful galleon]

and they will probably only punish clans that arent known well

[graceful jetty]

Just cause its the first time WG is doing something about unsportsmanlike conduct doesnt mean that you guys are getting singled out. You just happened to be the unlucky guys who got the 1st round of punishments (perhaps they decided to be more harsh after the APA v APA season)
In the future if there are more unsportsmanlike conduct surely you can expect WG to act like this regardless of whether its a well known clan or not

[leaden belfry]

does no one remember EZ being banned for multiple tournament seasons?

[thorn shale]

Yes

[burnt glacier]

@sinful galleon7urks known lol
EZ was banned
Stop this trash talking about known/ unkknown clans

[silver vapor]

pretty sure what was the start of acc sharing checks if I remembered correctly?

[leaden belfry]

yup

not immediately, but it did lead to that

[shy sun]

I like how u guys talking about znth top 100 but all of u get 2 0 ed by us

[leaden belfry]

and again, be civil

or this'll be a very short conversation

[spice briar]

You know what happens with teams that fixes match results in other games? They get disqualified and banned from participating.@sinful galleon

@glad tartan Throwing games on purpose is match fixing and prove enough to ban a team

[hallow sundial]

🤝

[glad tartan]

U saw that stream? Dont think so, if you are saying this.. No one was match fixing.. 🤦🏼

[scarlet juniper]

🤝

[analog osprey]

XDDDDDD I’m dead

[thorn shale]

ezez

[pearl phoenix]

Wise words

[neat agate]

Oh, they delete all messages they don't like, how funny.

[leaden belfry]

no, they delete messages that go against server rules

[fresh inlet]

Are you sure about that? 5-6 clans have done same thing on broadcast and they didn’t get any penalty

[leaden belfry]

I've repeated it often enough that server rules still apply

so if you don't manage to talk without profanity, your message will get deleted, yes

[silver vapor]

7URKS and RNG did it so they got the chop, why are you so mad?

[analog osprey]

“Multiple” yes yes try to get worse

[crisp mirage]

I want see if you lose top 8 bc one game1 game that dont matter at all i just want to see you what you tell.then when you so smart....

[thorn shale]

+1111

[spice briar]

Give me a link with the stream where other clans do exactly the same thing. And again playing 7 tvp vs 7 tvps or shooting HE only at the end of the game where the result of the Match is already clear is not rigging.

@cobalt yarrow Dude did anyone say "farm me" in chat and let each other win in this game? I dont see that and you clearly missed what i said above that this can not count rigging

[thorn shale]

This summer season is such a meme ngl

[cobalt yarrow]

https://youtu.be/cTZRgTvOpn0 @spice briar go watch

[pearl phoenix]

But I wanna know if wargaminf will give znth a opportunity to still play today or maybe give a compensation or something like that just to know if we keep or leave top 8

[thorn shale]

someone kill me

[burnt glacier]

XDDD For what? Lol

[fresh inlet]

U don’t understand why i am mad. we played for fun and took 7 same med tank and lost. Rng decided don’t shoot our last player that’s why we get penalty. If we just rushed to die, nothing would have happened

[analog osprey]

My lovely cw players don’t forget, the most important thing is health = )

[steel shell]

I like how Turks and rng are complaining about stuff they clearly made 😂😂

[muted ore]

@thorn shale With APA, the situation was different. We do not penalise clans for a rush strategy.

[formal pecan]

That’s the thing they did tho

[spice briar]

exactly APA was not staying afk saying "farm me" in the chat

[thorn shale]

Yes but they jumped on water for some no?

[unique shard]

@muted ore yes

[night barn]

you don't deserve it

[steel shell]

I agree that apa should had been punished as well

[flat goblet]

Seems WG only takes action when “passive play” is blatantly obvious, but people actually intending to fix matches won’t make it nearly as obvious.

[torpid yacht]

We did same thing but rng decided to didn’t shoot and let farm damage, also this situation didn’t change the score. What do you expect us If enemy doesn't shoot us

[pearl phoenix]

No ik you neither so don’t act like you earn it, and as I said I am not proud of it but it’s my last season so yes pls give it to me so that I can focus on my collage

[thorn shale]

If 7URKS jump on water and suicide,so that rng guarantee their top8 you would ban both of this clans anyway

[tulip finch]

do the APA strat drown even if there is no water

[balmy cobalt]

Did u post somewhere the new ranking?

[steel shell]

If your player didnt write “let me farm” nothing would happen 🙂

[median mason]

Tip from WG: rush to not get banned 😆

[tulip finch]

or drown

[fresh inlet]

We also wrote kill him is that changing anything? No

[crisp mirage]

Its over we can talk for ever wg will not give cups back 2nd time this season at lest i hope for 14k cups i can get 2days of prem not 1...

[warm phoenix]

APA easy hard working

[night barn]

Mojkars vid is creating right now

[sinful galleon]

when will it come out

[tired iris]

i can't wait for Blitz to die when Tank Company comes out, hope the devs there actually have a brain

[grim shadow]

A game that had to copy blitz already

[pearl phoenix]

world of tanks is developing fast now so no worries Tank company wont be that big as world of tanks

[upper oar]

ngl, no one memes like EU tournament players

y'all are good

[flat goblet]

That’s cap, only good ones are the videos. NA has best image memes.

The videos are dam amazing though

[balmy cobalt]

The Bad things that we are looking on blitz, it will be the same in Tank Company in few Years Lmao

[glass thunder]

Guys not because wg didn't punish apa back then they shouldn't start punish now
I hope they keep it like this must punish who don't follow the rules
Even if they didn't before better than never

[shy sun]

@glass thunder in that case wait for ur ban too

[steel shell]

Xdddd what

[upper oar]

fair enough, us NA memers aren't bad

[pearl phoenix]

wooow how to ban yourself maybe even from playing tournament ever again

[grim shadow]

whats racist about the punishments

[balmy cobalt]

George Russel = British Guy = British National Team Fan= Racist 🤣 (joke)

[cyan timber]

hahhaha funny joke

[sage shell]

injustice!

[gleaming schooner]

And you also don't Punish them for drowning, yes? Situation in the 7URKS - --RNG match did not affect the score of that battle at all, it was already won by --RNG

[tired iris]

@gleaming schooner dont even try wg is too lazy to actually look into stuff

[regal remnant]

wdym its illegal we gave a bad example on stream and gave the tvp wayyy to much xp

[thorn shale]

atleast give turks the cups

[tulip finch]

Remember discord doesnt count as evidence for WG or thier support irrc

[pearl phoenix]

i would agree with that tho, even if ZNTH gets out and i wont get pro stuff or annything, they deserve it more annyways

[thorn shale]

Bruh

[fast hare]

_GeorgeRussell63#2551 was banned

[balmy cobalt]

OOF HAHAH, Banhammer time

[glass thunder]

For 1 million time a1n1 had 6 plauers vs r2k and some how managed to make close games and win one
I did loging 1m late and couldnt joun room because of invites bug
@muted ore sadky invites bug still in game if someone come 1s after game start he cant join tournament room anymore hope u can fix it before proff tournament

[sage shell]

Was it a crime to choose the tanks they wanted? If it's a crime, why would WG allow this in the tournament room? You are wasting the efforts of the players for nonsense.

[heady birch]

ok 🤣

[fast hare]

MK_X_I#0373 was muted

[scenic thorn]

It was all apart of the plan 😂

[steel shell]

2021, a year when something goes wrong for you you call someone either racist or homophobic
Edit so its relatable to tanks
i hope everyone will have fun in todays tournament, good luck to all💪

[chilly hemlock]

That doesn’t fly here

[shy sun]

@glass thunder we have all the evidence we need no worry, u say u had 6 players for 2 games, the game against us was at 4 minutes after the r2k game. Even 6v6 r2k is easy beatable for top 8 or top 16 teams, and if u want us to we can bring screenshots with everything u were saying during the matches too, like u activated gold boosts and good luck and everything

[gleaming schooner]

@muted ore which rule did we violate? Where is a rule about "Fair play"?

@steel shell no, there I don't think, and there is not such rule, so punishing for that is pointless. That situation did not even affect the score at all

[cyan timber]

Yall can keep trying but they wont punish A1N1

[calm atlas]

Passive play

[regal remnant]

we played passive for to long, we should have finished tvp straight it’s a rule

[sage shell]

Wg you are always the same. It can't be too difficult to add the written rules into the game. Aside from your endless mistakes in the game, this is your unfair behavior now. It is difficult to understand you. A team can choose the tanks they want. It's like you're reading people's minds and deciding for what purpose they do it? Seriously enough!

[analog osprey]

@glass thunder show the replays to znth team

[scenic thorn]

he doesn't save replays

[chilly hemlock]

Keep things respectful/professional

[glass thunder]

In god names what langage u understand r2k had 7 stop saying they had 6
We start the game with 6 then 7th came (me) and as servers not working that well i didn't get invite to r2k game (blame server for it) then in sexons game we had the 7 we already had and ceiminal did join us back se we were 8
Vs r2k second game(final round) karma did hit r2k back and one player couldnt join so they had 6
@analog osprey i didn't play so i don't have repkays but i did ask team to send me i did watch games from discord stream and everything was clean from my team for replays we wint share them with enth but its fine to share with wg

[muted ore]

@glass thunder Our technicians are looking for a fix for this problem.

[chilly hemlock]

It’s remarkable how problematic summer season has been. Almost unbelievable

[median mason]

Also why you are punishing the whole clan? Only few players broke the rules. It reminds me of situation when one of the clan's team was proven to use shared accounts. And the clan benefited from this because they managed to get to the top8 only because of this team which later was proven to use shared accounts. You banned (soft banned) only accounts involved directly in this. Why you didn't do the same thing this time?

[shy sun]

@cyan timber should I mention the fact that againts us they had at least 8 players with 1 spec? 2 players magically dissapeared against r2k, wg might not do anything but its worth the shot.

@glass thunder r2k admitted to playing in 6 when our commander asked them, they were surprised how they won too. Im sure u cannot show us cuz like the guy said '' u dont save replays '' but we will try our bests to take u out of top 8

[muted ore]

@gleaming schooner This is a violation of the Rules of the Game and the Championships regulations.

[upbeat iris]

You’re making the mistake assuming WG takes consistent actions.

[muted ore]

@median mason We penalised the team and wrote off the cups we received in this tournament.

[gleaming schooner]

Where can I read those rules?

@steel shell so we are getting punished for breaking a not existing rule, right?

[modest whale]

So uh what happened here

[thorn shale]

Herrmroz się odbił

[scenic thorn]

A1N1 made the best scheme ever ngl.

[chilly hemlock]

Hit the link to Sirius’ post that @median mason replied to

[muted ore]

@gleaming schooner On the game portal and forum

[steel shell]

Good memes and vibes tho, summer hits different
@shy sun you can try homie but i dont see wg punishing a1n1 for their tactical move and lets be honest, znth barely belongs to top16..
@gleaming schooner wargaming forum, thread regarding summer tournament i guess and as i said, if you look ror a rule regarding "fair play" i dont know what to tell you, just dont compete m8

[glass thunder]

How u play a tournament without reading rules its on forum sirius did share it wg kept sharing evrytime

[median mason]

And why you didn't do the same thing back then? Why you didn't "wrote off" the cups gathered by the shared accounts team? 🧐
It's actually quite unfair to be such inconsistent...

[heady birch]

22.7.2021. A1N1 player: "How u play a tournament without reading rules." 🤣

[muted ore]

@median mason I have answered this question before.

[royal cradle]

Many players are trying to be reasonable but no wonder some lose their coolness after the actions from wg and it’s kinda understandable that wg receives the hate they do. @muted ore

[median mason]

Yes, because you can't punish the whole clan... and now you are doing it 😆

[steel shell]

@median mason wdym whole clan...they literally removed cups of that 1 team man

[sinful galleon]

well they only removed cups from our team but yeah

[cyan timber]

whoopzie esssay incoming 🥶

[frigid aurora]

maybe instead of having friendly conversations in a tournament battle, at the end of which they pre-decided who would win the battle, under certain circumstances, and at certain point in time (which already goes against the meaning of the word “competition”) they should have actually competed with each other? and shouldn’t have had “fun” or deny of existence of simplest regulations. it was funny to see how some people even said on their discord servers that nothing would happen to them and they can do what they want. well, good morning 🌞

[median mason]

They didn't do anything like that back then. Although they could remove cups achieved by the shared accounts team
@steel shell well, the whole clan lost cups according to Sirius logic back then

[fast hare]

Charl1e_Sc3n3#4704 was muted

[tawdry inlet]

I have a question:
We all know that 7URKS and --RNG cups were removed for the first day of gold tourny but what I would like to know is that " do they gonna win cups today or not "

[steel shell]

If the clan participated only with that one team where is the problem?

[sinful galleon]

Today we wont, no point playing

[thorn shale]

You should to not get a worse situation

[stark hawk]

they already said no - I mean Sirius

[gleaming schooner]

Think about the Silver Series situation one more time. Can WG fix a problem where there is a problem, or do they remove everything?

@rough tusk in a trouble for what? For not playing the tour that we would not receive anything for?

[median mason]

Only 7 players can play a battle. I am sure the clan consists of more players right? That's how Sirius presented his point while explaining why they are not removing cups during the spring season. (Cups achieved by the shared account team)

[rough tusk]

You're gonna be in even bigger trouble I'm guessing

I don't think intentional afk'ing and letting the other team win is a good idea. Maybe they should check with Sirius beforehand that they won't be penalised again.@gleaming schooner

@chilly hemlock I don't think they should be penalised for not showing up but you know how wg works. Better to confirm with them

@chilly hemlock uhh translation issues ig but u think they can play but won't get any cups

@tulip finch WG is making an example out of them so that no clan ever does it in the future is my guess. Harsh? Yes.

[royal cradle]

How do u explain ur inconsistency!? @muted ore

[chilly hemlock]

Why? Wg said they weren’t going to be playing and the teams aren’t forced to show up in the first place. Just because you register for a tournament doesn’t mean you have to play

I don’t think they’re allowed to show up from the way I read it @rough tusk

[muted ore]

@royal cradle Re-read my posts above.

[tulip finch]

I dont think anyone disagrees that a penalty is needed I'm just not happy with how hard the penalty is
It's 1. Time for I think both clans
I think a warning with a lower penalty so they actually have a reason to compete today and a chance for Thier Top 8 goal would be much better

They certainly learned Thier lesson by now so at least don't make them hate the game to a point where they won't try playing it again

[sinful galleon]

I think we can show up, but we won't earn anything

[gleaming schooner]

By "not playing" we meant not showing up, and not staying AFK. But even if we would do, they have already stole our cups for tonight, so we would not have anything to lose

[thorn shale]

better delete all the cups:) good idea? not even the gold ones

[royal cradle]

The answer doesn’t make much sense to me and many others? 7urks being punished while APA doesn’t? APA violated the game the same way 7urks did yet one clan only receives punishment??? If u are caring that people are following the rules then treat everyone the same. @muted ore

[gilded marsh]

hey guys should I exchange my pro avatar for splinters

[grim shadow]

they didnt think it was obvious enough when APA did it

[median mason]

I meant the other situation. Where one of the clan's team consisted of later banned accounts... This team of course gave the clan top8 spot in the end...

[rough tusk]

Or maybe those games wasn't streamed? I think the entire issue arose bc this happened on stream

[shy sun]

The full bc rush from apa was livestreamed by fugit

[gleaming schooner]

Even on the WG stream, in the Grand Finals of the Winter Season between AQVA and EG- they were just standing to each other, shooting the air, and someone was farming.

@steel shell of course it's codecidemparable. In both cases the final score of the battle was already decided

@muted ore no, it was not just a rush strategy. Some of the team made of batchats decided to drown :)

[royal cradle]

Yes but they didn’t remove the earned points from those who got banned or did they?

[thorn shale]

@muted ore and yes:) delete cups for players not for the all team

It's to late now

[steel shell]

Imagine comparing that

[tulip finch]

shooting in the air is unsportive conduct just like not shooting at all thats what WG says
Intentional missing shots is unsportive

[median mason]

Sirius didn't do anything in the end (just soft banned the shared accounts which is ridiculous).
To be consistent Sirius now should only ban (soft ban) accounts that participated in the battles and let the clans keep their cups.

[muted ore]

@royal cradle The situation with the APA clan was different. There was only a rush strategy from one team and its complete and rapid destruction. If you can't see the difference between these cases, I have nothing more to add here.

[cobalt yarrow]

@muted ore we did nothing wrong if they dont want to kill last tank how can be our problem, even i writed them to kill him

[gleaming schooner]

Actually you did not want to kill last tank in the first battle aswell. And in the second battle, you asked for it

[royal cradle]

Idk how drowning urself is a rush strategy but yeah I’ll give up on it because this whole situation won’t lead to anything other than wasted time.

[cyan timber]

its a suprise attack

[tulip finch]

anyone having the clips from APA drowning themselves and
the air shots from EG vs AQVA

[frigid aurora]

best fish cosplay

[pliant peak]

yolo rush ≠ staying afk
: P

[steel shell]

Why would you speak about eg and aqva, the game when it happened was the last of that tournament and everything was done

[burnt glacier]

XD
BPS would be anyway TOP-8

[tulip finch]

does the last game of a tourney make "unsportive" conduct okay ?
No i dont think it is

im not against a penalty im just not confirm with how the penalty is

[fast hare]

RaMeO_JON3S#9271 was muted

Noob_The_No__1#1945 was muted

[thorn shale]

https://youtu.be/A6yYmwP2Szk

[topaz berry]

Honestly, after seeing the replay, I can say that it was too much from the both team. Nevertheless, as I said before, Rng and 7urcs were assured to be on the top8, specially 7urcs which was a strong top3 of the competition. Moreover, without insulting Rng, you know that 7urcs are better than rng and they can beat them when they want it. To conclude this part and I agree with you to this point, the both team had to play normally and musn’t talk to each others. Nevertheless, we can see it happened it the last seasons and Wg did nothing so🤡. About the sanctions, I think it’s too much when you know that this result doesn’t change anything for the both teams.

We can say it’s an example for the other teams which would like to do this in the future.

Have a nice day my boi

[cobalt yarrow]

@muted ore from 1.24.42 and 1.25.22 why did'nt u ban that too ?
''The situation as a whole is unsportsmanlike behaviour / collusion.
You went on a rush after which your player proceeded to do damage on your opponents tanks.'' that was your answer to me

[fresh inlet]

Passive play yes
Rule is rule right?

[cyan timber]

shocking evidence provided by 7urks, wg has to take action now

[chilly hemlock]

I can’t believe people would do this on stream

[thorn shale]

@chilly hemlock welcome to eu xd

[chilly hemlock]

What a crazy season

Should honestly just cancel it at this point. It’s horrible from every angle possible

[spice briar]

Lmao how can you compare what you did with what EG did in the finals? Did they let vano farm 10k dmg and Type in chat "farm us" and loose the game at the end? Everyone did it as Kind of Provocation at the end of the game@fresh inlet

[burnt glacier]

@chilly hemlockwelcome to the world of double standards of WG

[thorn shale]

yeah and? doesnt matter if they did 10k dmg or not, in both cases its passive play, so why do RNG and 7URKS get a punishment and EG and AQVA not?

[torpid yacht]

What a cute face hug 🤗 i’ve never seen this before

[fresh inlet]

I'm not comparing, I'm showing when rules apply and when they don't. there are rules for everyone right? Isn't that passive playing by the rules?

[steel shell]

^

[gleaming schooner]

We did not throw that game aswell, we killed him anyways, it did not affect the score of the battle

[muted ore]

@cobalt yarrow Our decision on this issue will not be reviewed. This is the final answer on this topic.

[tough acorn]

I think the penalty is completely measured, sorry!

[median mason]

Ngl tournament management is very poor in the recent seasons 😶

[spice briar]

@thorn shale because that are two uncompareable situations, EG never threw a game or said anything in the chat, honestly i cant believe you even argue about the bans you should concider yourself lucky it was not a permanent ban and take it as it is.

@cyan timber yes and im glad about that xD

[cyan timber]

niko u type here more than u play the game >:((

[cobalt yarrow]

thanks to wg employee closing topic without giving a reason , if that's a passive gameplay why this didnt apply on that eg- aqva game

[median mason]

WG is the judge though. In the case of 7urks and RNG very inconsistent and just unfair but we can't do anything about that

[sudden shadow]

im actually confused by this situation,what was last player of 7urks suposed to do then? kill himself?

[inner socket]

we are talking about a match that did not even affect the result. do you really want to punish? do not give 14k penalty points. since 2000, at most 5000.

[cobalt yarrow]

@muted ore just wondering what else we can do on that situation if they dont kill our last tank, what should our last tank do shooting them or not shooting them? if he would'nt shoot that would be passive gameplay and what if he shoot it will be unsportmanslike ,Like what are you really expected from us on that time

[frigid aurora]

eg has comms provided on object3’s stream first of all where which is saved as a video on the channel. u can watch it anytime and hear the approach of the team. they didn’t agree on any circumstances in the chat and didn’t discuss the outcome of the battle. winch even said smthn like he wanted aqva to lose by caps like eg always did before and everyone had fun about it. call that smthn like private disrespect to opponent within the team, but not rigging.
its not difficult to understand why such punishment took place if u have an iq consisting of minimum 3 numbers. its not about farming, it’s not about the lineup or strat - it’s about people’s mouths

[gleaming schooner]

Both teams were already in the TOP8, that situation did not change anything, --RNG won that battle anyway

[topaz berry]

In this case, it just an exemplary punishment

[upbeat iris]

I’m confused, is drowning a valid tactic for you?

[grim shadow]

The 7URK ban could be explained by this too

[cobalt yarrow]

Just answer that and we are fine

[regal remnant]

it’s not about that it’s about people’s mouths

[steel shell]

Just stop man

[thorn shale]

Did you discuss that back then or do you bring it up now just because you feel harassed by WG? Like what is your point on bringing something now when it wont even make a difference. EG vs AQVA was obviously a different thing

[inner socket]

you often change, reasoning your idea (as for avatars) and for such an important thing you are not willing to reason? but what signal do you give? have the reasonableness to review the decision for a moment, understand the situation and maybe be less harsh. there is plenty of time to do it. @muted ore

[thorn shale]

We can see on the chat that both teams agreed on not killing the remaining tank till it had 10k dmg. After your tank had high dmg he communicated in chat that he could get killed, and rng killed him XD

Gamers

[gleaming schooner]

7URKS let our E5 stay alive for a bit longer in the first battle and we let their TVP stay alive longer in the 2nd battle. 7URKS won the first battle anyways and we won the 2nd battle anyways. Those situations did not affect the score at all. And I understand that drowning is a proper strat, right?

@patent quartz no one have thrown a battle on purpose, the result of the battle would be the same

[turbid sinew]

♥️ wg

[cyan timber]

💖 karo

[patent quartz]

this rigging could have influenced the entry of certain teams into the top 8 by increasing the cup gap, it can be considered as rigging

[regal remnant]

just let it be, they already said they won’t change it

[inner socket]

How? Rng lost 3-1. And most important: Turks won? All was same
Rng won? All was same
And rng lost like all wanted

[turbid sinew]

no i didnt want them to lose

[thorn shale]

All we wanted was RNG to not be in Top 8 and it worked

[thorn shale]

It was never the same 😔

[patent quartz]

luckily i said "could've"

[fast hare]

_ВрОнГ_БаЛвАн_#1378 was muted

[thorn shale]

well it was obvious that —RNG was going to lose against them and both were secured in top 8 anyway

[royal cradle]

Just another poor show by wg as so many times lately

[tulip finch]

imma accepted as long as WG does this with every single one from now on

[burnt glacier]

Now everyone will save incriminating evidence video where someone chill in tournament
Removing cups goes brrrr

[glass thunder]

How its wg fault ?stop putting pressure on them and try make them think they made bad decision by just bring lot of members to tell them that here
Yes 7urks deserve top8 and punishment was really hard and could been less harder like remove few cups or not let take first stage cups
But usually tournaments hosters make big punishments so others in future will think twice before doing something similar
And never compare it to eg vs aqva pls also never say u didn’t punish before so don’t punish now else they would never start punishing
Really sad for 7urks hope they do better in twister

[chilly hemlock]

There have been a lot of bad decisions this season… not all by wg

[tulip finch]

no they wont think twice punishments were done before they will just be more careful about it like APA as a prime example

[sudden shadow]

looks to me some clans wants easyer summer pro season lol
but anyway my point is if its gonna be like this then all who do anything similar,even tho its not on that scale should be punished and thats it,either make it clear rules or dont make it at all

[analog osprey]

@turbid sinew cc goat

[turbid sinew]

cava mon reuf

[grim shadow]

thats the thing. WG could punish when the rule is broken, but WG may think a rule isnt broken where others will say it was

[thorn shale]

wg be like - bad mm, should fix it, nah lets delete some cups🤣 ech, better give it back to turks atleast

[sudden shadow]

well they almost never change their decisions tbh

[regal remnant]

sheridan missile tho

[tired iris]

they don't even wanna look further into the thing, they will just mute everyone that tries to express their point cause they are just too lazy

[slim blade]

yhyh dw you’ll have your cups back ready for summer season 2022

[quartz knoll]

That’s optimistic

[sudden shadow]

@grim shadow nobody knows rules anymore since they are such inconzistent and poorly described or ruled

[chilly hemlock]

No. People are being muted for swearing, clan shaming and insults like the rules say

Take off your tin foil hat, it’s too tight I think

[regal remnant]

no. lmao

[grim shadow]

if they decided to punish the previous tournament players, what can they really do? The prizes have all been given out, winners announced, and its too much work to go back to those violations rather than just changing their stance on violations for the current and future tournaments

[steel shell]

thats a lie, they have changed a couple recently

[chilly hemlock]

Realistically all they can do is set the precedent for the future

[torpid yacht]

At least wg should give us 1 day premium account like in silver tournament

[empty phoenix]

Lmao

[sudden shadow]

i said almost never, didnt say never lol and im speaking mostly for this type of cases, in other words rule violations in tours @steel shell

[gilded marsh]

hey guys i think tournaments are cool. but rigging is not.

[thorn shale]

well why would they change their mind at a rule violation XDD

[cobalt yarrow]

@muted ore can we get gold from today tournaments or its also taken from wg😂

[median mason]

The issue is WG is not consistent with their decisions. they used to say "we can't punish the whole clan", now they are ok with it 😆

[jade hornet]

well they do it more than one would think. for example with the avatars recently. still ofc there are some problems that they ignore and dont change

[grim shadow]

better they change now than not at all

[worn marten]

Read my comment from yesterday upon Maxverstappen called my team Astra as no skill team and claimed tht we got our position by luck.One day later he dropped to 11th position from 3rd. As i said yesterday, dont underestimate others as if u re gods. U never know where we will be or u ll be in the close future.I love you Wg

[wicked snow]

That's a bit harsh ngl outcome was already clear when the tvp was farming , that's rly sad 7urks deserved top8 to be honest

[grim shadow]

maybe he could carry that battle by ammoracking everyone with one shot each

[jade hornet]

7urks didnt lose by underestimating… they deserved their top8, even top3 place fully.

[inner socket]

dont tashtalk man. we are in challenger not cause of less of skills.

[chilly hemlock]

Okay so let’s all stop this here

[fast hare]

TSK#0999 was muted

[chilly hemlock]

Like i was saying. Enough

Keep things constructive and respectful

[fresh inlet]

Will we get gold from tournament? @muted ore

[steel shell]

All you care about is 200 gold ?😂

[burnt glacier]

300 hundred bucks

[fresh inlet]

Ofc not just wondering 😂

[muted ore]

@cobalt yarrow @fresh inlet The teams were only deprived of cups.

[regal remnant]

only

[fast hare]

Shiawase#8155 was banned

[proud holly]

I like qts. They are very epic.

[novel bay]

Me 2 😎

[median mason]

Can you explain why you decided to punish clans instead of individuals?

[wintry hound]

XDD

[proud holly]

Also what’s gonna happen when only 7 teams show up for Na Challengers (since one team already disbanded)

[median mason]

I asked because I find it odd that during the previous season that rule wasn't used :(

[open quarry]

Don't worry they will never reply 😁

[median mason]

Nah, Sirius will reply. He always does

[steel shell]

I dont understand why should they punish that player and not whole team in competitive team mode its literally team competition
I agree that the punishment is way too much but still imo the team punishment and not invidual one is right

[quartz knoll]

Punishment is fine as long as the rules apply to everyone .

[median mason]

I am not arguing with that. I 100% agree on collective responsibility when it comes to tournaments. The issue is Sirius (or the tournaments staff team) didn't enforce this rule the last season which is very weird...

[spark pumice]

@median mason it’s less the rule not being enforced and more the violation not being noticed by wg in the past. Even wild was sitting there on stream bewildered with what he was watching. you just have to know better when you’re on stream that’s all there is too it

[shy sun]

Well everything starts somethwere, but its a pitty when sth bad starts with u

[steel shell]

Yeah i agree apa should got punished as well

[thorn shale]

For what

[median mason]

In short: WG published a list of accounts that were used by many people (shared accounts). 9 of them were from the same clan. During the season a team that consisted of those accounts granted the clan enough points to access the top 8

[patent quartz]

that's true tho

[remote panther]

Yes

[thorn shale]

Well it wasn’t top team breaking the rules so top team didn’t lose any points or rewards, unlucky 😏

@steel shell top team was playing in the same time against snty hah

[median mason]

Haha 😆 I love this attitude

[steel shell]

Yeah "werent" top team players who then played on those accounts of second team?🤣🤣🤣

[remote panther]

I quess so😂 😂

[winter swallow]

*oyster

@proud holly and aphrodisiacs.

[proud holly]

Oysters are yummy

[median mason]

That is the reason why I am asking Sirius about this case because it is quite opposite to what Sirius was saying back then. I am glad that collective responsibility rule is being used but why now not earlier.

[grim shadow]

whyd they only nerf the heavies now not earlier

[median mason]

top team was playing in the same time against snty hah - that is a lie. Top team didn't qualify to the final stage. 2nd team did (PYS#4). Guess how many of those banned accounts were in the 2nd team... ||5 out of 8 registered players||

[forest matrix]

Fun fact : APA will get one of the newly open top 8 spot

[thorn shale]

already unbanned accounts*

@serene crystal that’s the thing they dont understand, it wasnt top team on alt accounts, apa has 50 members + few another clans 🥶

[serene crystal]

it must be so clear from the logs that the first team members went on the second accounts, hopefully WG will enforce stuff like that in the future. Good to see they enforced it this time though, let's hope from now they keep to it

i mean ofc i have no proof, just reacting to what i'm seeing on this chat @thorn shale

[median mason]

This APA representative is manipulating as usual. APA would not have qualified without the 2nd team. Without those banned accounts.

[remote panther]

Even if it was a player from FEN1X its still rigging...

[patent quartz]

don't think we're fool and didn't realise only 3 of your players showed up against us whereas your second team clapped idk whoever was against u

[thorn shale]

Maybe they had some problems too 😏

[steel shell]

Argument that accounts got unbanned is pretty irrelevant given the fact you can get rid of permaban in this game simply by submitting ticket with saying you're sorry 😂😂😂

[shy sun]

What y all talking about, apa was legit. They didnt receive any punishments so they must ve been playing fair

[patent quartz]

exactly what i said, all of your 14 teams combined got less IQ than a dead oyster, not point in talking any further to someone irrelevant

[thorn shale]

@patent quartz lol you can’t do anything so what do you expect me to tell you

@steel shell just fact

[steel shell]

I am not expecting to do something🤣
Just fact 🤡🤡

[harsh thistle]

Because then they wouldn't get their typical mid season update

[supple hearth]

Lol, we will have first ever 40% player with PRO avatar on NA server……..

[spark pumice]

that’s what random seeding and the luckiest brackets known to man will do for you

[dapper vigil]

Are you talking about in 4px?

[steel shell]

Fr?😂😂

[solid pine]

The man the myth the legend…
ttman777

[supple hearth]

No, the dude in —R—

[spark pumice]

their brackets and seeding was a paid actor

every single gold they played the worst teams it’s not even funny

[crisp shore]

Well not really though 😂 you can take a 40% wr player to your team in every pys/bronze and not play that player and still get top 8. remember wargaming only counts the best 7 players wr for seeding

[rough tusk]

but then you cant use a 100% account in his space so you are suffering

[spark pumice]

oh yeah of course and nothing against the player themselves and you right any team could put any low wr account in the tenth spot and still be a top 8 team. i was more stating my frustration with the random seeding which has for all three gold tournaments given the team that player is on arguably the easiest path to the second day of gold… where as we know most of the cups are earned

[crisp shore]

2 100% wr accounts are enough to put your team in good seeding 😂

Anyway random seeding is not the best for tournaments that only have like 3 Gold. They are better for a very long season whereby a lot of Gold/Silver series tournaments are played

@rough tusk They will probably hold a Last Chance Tournament

[rough tusk]

@muted ore Which team goes ahead to the championships if they have same no of cups and same CP%? Asia currently has 5 teams in 31st spot and all of them have a 0.0 CP

@crisp shore gotcha. Thanks

[harsh thistle]

Hopefully it's only new pro avatar and not old one. We can pretend old one has any value still lol

[fresh lance]

They get both old and new

[wintry hound]

Random seeding isn't reliable but it's fair

[upbeat iris]

Only truly fair with more than 3 tourneys

[tulip finch]

Wg should have a server with all tour replays so that you could actually check for rigging in matches that arent streamed

[fast hare]

Sp1tFires [SNTY]#4820 was muted

[royal cradle]

Rip @patent quartz

[median mason]

Well, it was well said still

[tulip finch]

i missed the message 😦

[winter swallow]

Nice to see free speech is alive and well here.

[grim shadow]

Whatd he even try to say

[thorn shale]

What do you expect from a russian company 😂😂

[shy sun]

Let me guess, sharing your harsh opinion on sth violates the rules too?

[grim shadow]

They must’ve put in some curse word

[steel shell]

he was rude, not saying he wasnt right but the way how he said that was definitely wrong

[chilly hemlock]

If people didn’t break the rules, they wouldn’t be muted

[chilly hemlock]

This

[royal cradle]

if people would use common sense noone would get mad too

[median mason]

Nah, the message wasn't that bad but bad enough to be punishable on the official server 😄 If you really wanna see it someone took a ss of it and posted it on EG's server

[turbid sinew]

send link

[thorn shale]

XDD

[tired iris]

i like how the mods always act like wg is perfect and never actually join the side of players

||watch me get banned||

oh rly, i wonder how did his feelings even survive that

[median mason]

I think I saw iRaik criticising WG for their management skills during this season so it's definitely not true :P

[chilly hemlock]

All you do is come here and try to spew censorship and completely ignore everything else I’ve already said about how terrible wg has been this season

[chilly hemlock]

Example 1

[chilly hemlock]

2

[modest whale]

Not like he'll listen seems he's just here to complain

[chilly hemlock]

Of course not

[leaden belfry]

@chilly hemlock before today, Ohen only ever send one message in this channel

so my guess is his opinion is based absolutely nothing

because we’ve both been high critical of wg throughout the years

and he’s pretty much missed all of that

[chilly hemlock]

@tired iris did you know that wg changed the auto aim system without any way to correct it right before an international offline? And then if that wasn’t bad enough, they buffed tanks the week before we played? Do you think I would support that as a player who was there?

Amaunet, TJ, and Zird we’re all there as well

[leaden belfry]

yup

[violet comet]

How many bronzes do a player need to participate to a challenger/pro tournament ? Thx 😊

[thorn shale]

3 i think

[harsh thistle]

3 or more i believe

[chilly hemlock]

This

[vital obsidian]

zero, but they wont get rewards if not 3 bronze

[elder coral]

Idk about you, but that seems like it would be a tough shot to penetrate especially if both tanks are moving.

[outer isle]

HerrMroz new mod

[stark hawk]

please could you patch where the game doesn't put you into the tournament battle. I was ready but I couldn't enter battle. Restarted the game and loaded a minute+ late. It didn't make a massive difference since that first battle with apa was close. But it really set the tone for me being annoyed in that game...

[thorn shale]

@muted ore so after removing our cups from the tournament you think we play for nothing? Or why do we get reported? I am so done honestly.

[steel shell]

@thorn shale its automatic man 😄 how they can prevent this
dont tell me you care about some meaningless reports

[outer isle]

But If they give them for free it's not funny

[burnt glacier]

I guess they separated it cause disappoint from WG desicion

[regal remnant]

it’s the compensation wdym, 8k cups=1day premium, top 8=2 reports

[tired iris]

imagine if us or them got top 4, u would get 4 reports

[thorn shale]

🤣

[elder coral]

This is a bruh moment lol

[real pendant]

seems fair enough xD

[steel shell]

yeah, two reports for 2 playing days you know as compensation

[thorn shale]

@steel shell idc about the reports, this system is trash anyway. But I care about how WG is acting. In other companies/games the developers are acting to give the community/clients the best time when playing the game or buying stuff. This is how economy works, is the customer happy, the boss is happy and so should the developers.

WG is acting like they dont need us. I dont know, maybe new players make them much more money and old players just cost them money. I dont know WGs numbers, but any company should care about all the customers/players, even if they dont make a good income for the company.

WG is not even saying why we get this punishment. If the team acts unsportive, fine, punish them. But imagine the police arrests someone and doesntnsay the reason, its exactly the same.
The communication is just bad. They dont even talk with the affected players.

Its just making me sad how their attitude changed. They did a lot of great things in the past. But as you can see in the EU cw scene some guys dont appreciate their decisions anymore.

just wait for tank company, wg will be forced to listen to the playerbase

[sudden shadow]

tbh i think wg wants to listen playerbase but as we all see each time over, playerbase is quite divided about lot of stuff,so complaints will always happen, apart from that i think penalty they given was too much fr

[grim shadow]

About the 7URKS punishment, someone here did show a part of the battle where the 7URKS player was doing something sus, which might explain their punishment

[tired iris]

well things happened, it's in the past, but to be honest, wg should edit their rules by adding "No having fun in our game or you will face consequences"

[daring swan]

But why would you do dumb things if you are on stream especially? It makes 0 sense if you know people are watching and someone can easily report you

[slim blade]

^

[thorn shale]

The punishment is definitely to hard. I agree on a punishment if it violated their rules. But let’s be honest, ruining the teams season is fair? I was not involved in the incident but I also get punished, I don’t think it’s deserved…

[steel shell]

yeah i feel you

[sage shell]

💯

[tired iris]

wg will never admit their own mistakes when it comes to some as big as this, let's just wait till blitz dies when tank company comes out

[thorn shale]

hell yes

[spring sage]

Imagine

[tulip finch]

Iirc wg or Thier support stated that discord isn't counted as evidence

[chilly hemlock]

I think they may accept it?

Please dm Sirius instead of naming and shaming

[chilly hemlock]

People have been saying the game will die since 2015. Get in line

[tired iris]

damn u got me, congrats

yo guys stop arguing with iRaik or u might have a good argument and he will mute u

to have fun, but that seems to be against the rules

[chilly hemlock]

They also have admitted mistakes like missiles and spare parts but you don’t care about answers

[thorn shale]

and took them 1 year to do so

[chilly hemlock]

I never said they were fast to admit it

Just they they did admit it

[thorn shale]

@chilly hemlock they did, because it affected all the players, for cw they never did…

[chilly hemlock]

If it’s a problem in pubs its a problem, most likely, in tournaments

And in this case it was even worse due to voice coms

[chilly hemlock]

Why are you even here?

No. The only things that are against the rules are what’s stated in the rules. Don’t like it? You may leave at any time

[real pendant]

we are all asking the same question

[chilly hemlock]

Fair question considering what a train wreck this season has been

[harsh thistle]

poor irak, dealing with all the angry people while just trying to do his mod job.

[chilly hemlock]

Blitz has passionate… players but people can still be civil

[thorn shale]

Voicing your opinion and being civil are not mutually exclusive.

The majority of the time here folks don’t get muted for what they say…. They get muted for how they say it.

Just stay civil in your discourse and there won’t be any issues.

so now anyone from team can play with eg or idk immor and let em farm and they all get punishment? absurd.. everyone can do problems for opponents. 0 logic

[grim shadow]

Why would you be letting an enemy farm you for damage if you’ve won that battle and can just win it earlier? Besides, someone pointed out the 7URKS Maus not shooting for 30s while having clear shots and also exhibiting a lack of ping issues through their driving. It could’ve been that action that got them the punishment along with RNG

[thorn shale]

nevermind, still no point to talk anymore about this.

[chilly hemlock]

This is such a stretch that even Elastigirl couldn’t reach

[harsh thistle]

lmao

[gilded marsh]

i like tournaments and i also like how bandrbear is streaming comp now. everyone should go check out his channel, search up bandrbear gaming on YouTube.

[tawdry inlet]

Wait why did --RNG won cups today but 7URKS didn't ???

[stark hawk]

Question before the storm 🍿

[scenic thorn]

Maybe they didn't show up
Did you guys show up? @regal remnant
OK thx.

[regal remnant]

did we??? @scenic thorn yes we did show up, with 6 only tho some guys didn’t had the motivation somehow 😁

[tawdry inlet]

Oh well that's weird tho xD

[scenic thorn]

But did 7urks show up that is the question, because maybe wg will just remove the cups from first day or did they say that they will remove the final stage as well?

[royal cradle]

I think sirius said they don't get cups for this gold tournament but not entirely sure

[slim blade]

yes until they do a giveaway M60-style where the 42%ers receive Top Echelon Championship tickets

[regal remnant]

@muted ore if we’re blocked from getting cups in ‘gold #3’ then why did my team receive 6k cups?

[scenic thorn]

Well they will remove the cups tomorrow since they are done with their job for today i guess

[stark hawk]

^

[harsh thistle]

lol thanks bb
also im working on better stream quality for tonight

[thorn shale]

doesnt matter anyway cuz we are still top 16, and they will be removed probably

[slim blade]

bro I would keep quiet lmao

[regal remnant]

why with or without them doesn’t change, we will still be top 16

[thorn shale]

they will be removed anyway

ez clap

[unique shard]

a flammable candle for all cups that have disappeared this season
[*]

[light narwhal]

🕯️
Well.. I guess its gonna be ez for the guys at 9th place lol

[narrow meteor]

I think WG will be happy to put this season behind them, hope they learn from it tho

[glass thunder]

@frosty nexus @muted ore will you guys make first stage double elimination or keep it SE ?

[narrow meteor]

I believe it’s still single elimination with two groups but it’s a bo9 so that makes up for it being single elimination

[upbeat iris]

Has been asked before, SE it is

[harsh ember]

went from where are my keys to where are my cups

[tawdry inlet]

@thorn shale i’m relax man i was just wondering how it could happen

[quaint gorge]

👽

[modest whale]

and in a couple days it'll become where are my rewards

[young furnace]

Then it will become where is wg

[surreal hinge]

Where are my keys

[proud holly]

Where are my cups

[slim socket]

Where is my dad

[harsh thistle]

Where is my phone

[elder coral]

Where is my time going?

[signal star]

why am I even here?

[thick elk]

Bruh there are like 3 teams in top 8 for Na that will prob throw for better positioning in pros, this is gonna be so funny to watch 🤣

[harsh thistle]

https://youtu.be/Rm4pReOMiPM

[green orchid]

<@&481447501690568709> ad ^

[thorn shale]

<@&481447501690568709> i need help

[storm herald]

Vnice

[fast hare]

patricio#5299 was banned

[thick elk]

Called it

[sly axle]

What’s with the unhappy attitude? Are you saying -MJ threw?

[daring swan]

You’ll see

[upper oar]

keep the clan drama out of here

[winged saffron]

Shame it wasn’t streamed

[gilded marsh]

im tired of this 300-400 ping spikes during tours

[daring swan]

Bro the ping/lag is so bad after this update. Even in wild’s stream the game is lagging and it’s not his stream that’s lagging

[spring gale]

every game someone on the team is lagging and its rly annoying

[novel bay]

Affirmative!

[sinful crest]

Yeah it’s annoying, but can we not play everyday for fall season? You don’t understand how annoying it is to play tournaments everyday just to figure out who’s in top8. Literally WR abuse> random seeding/ having to play everyday

[south wharf]

Yeah they threw, I have replays

[sly axle]

I c

[sinful crest]

yeah it’s disappointing, everyone sees what happens with the EU 7urks\RNG situation, and then mj do the exact same thing, but instead of celebrating and meming they throw intentionally to avoid facing gg first round😂

[harsh thistle]

thanks to everyone who tuned into my stream to watch jkr play pramo and gg tonight

[keen saffron]

Very cringe

[supple hearth]

LMAO,

[novel bay]

💪

[potent magnet]

Hey assassin big fan

[terse perch]

Hey star big fan

[sinful crest]

@muted ore @frosty nexus I’d like to ask what are you guys going to do about this situation? You were gladly willing to remove 7URKS and RNG chance to play in the Eu professional series. Can you do the same for NA then? MJ- literally top3 ranked seed loses a 6 vs 7 against SLG. It doesn’t take a genius to realize it’s an intentional throw to avoid facing a stronger team in professionals. SLG literally had an AFK maus and MJ still lost? Even a dog can figure this out

[merry blade]

@sinful crest Pramo lost a 6v7 to naps so im confused what the narrative is here? had an afk by the name of raindrop as well if i recal during winter szn

[keen saffron]

Hey star big fan

[sinful crest]

@merry blade you want to know what’s the difference of that set of games and this set of games? Maybe you know just MAYBE the difference is a vickers light shooting HE shells into a maus or if that’s not believable how about the two vickers drivers driving around like a bunch of headless chickens. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out your intentions.

[analog osprey]

Unfortunately some guys lost my respect = )

[proud holly]

Hey I finally got top 16!

I think!

[red vapor]

blitz is cringe

[supple hearth]

MJ, u are really big brain

[merry blade]

@sinful crest ?

[narrow meteor]

MJ possibly screwing over its main team? @sinful crest but what if SLG beats GG then?

[sinful crest]

You can’t even consider this a rush strat if that’s what’s trying to be pursued. literally the first game you have an e5 drive into a fight against slg and he doesn’t even bother to look at the enemy? A donkey can figure this shit out. You’re telling me MJ beats jkr in a bo5 series 3-2 but against SLG a literal 6vs7 they lost??????? WHAT?
@narrow meteor mj purposely lost to avoid facing gg first round
@merry blade why don’t you get a montage of your team playing against slg the first game? Or better yet get the POV Of the vickers who decided to shoot a high explosive round into the strongest tank in the game. Let me get this straight a HIGH explosive round into an AFK maus, the vickers player can literally sit in the open and pen with a heat round but instead he fires HE into a afk player 🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠

[south wharf]

Here is the replay from SLG player perspective, two kranvagns either shooting HE or purposely bouncing their shots, two vickers ramming into SLG heavies (Maus and E5) to suicide and 1 e5 drove into the middle of SLG team without aiming/shooting anyone to suicide. I will post the second game's replay once the chat cool down ends @muted ore

[grim vine]

I have screenshots of their team chat conspiring to throw.

[novel bay]

Tonight was premeditated by MJ and planned hours beforehand in an attempt to rig standings on the leaderboard for the professionals series next week (screenshots prove this). If that’s not unsportsmanlike/against some kind of code of conduct then idk what to say. WG set the precedent on EU with 7urks and RNG and should carry out a penalty to a similar degree on NA.

[keen saffron]

Watching the replays make me cringe everytime ngl

[proud holly]

Im pretty sure that rn the WG devs are asleep. These news and accusations are still dropping at a relatively recent rate so. . .

wouldn't hurt to just wait it out. It's like 6am over there.

[tardy bay]

Lmao how are you that desperate

[thorn shale]

@merry blade

[merry blade]

Imagine taking those screenshots out of context, literal in vc joking about this and people who were mute decided to mention that we would throw, we played like we normally do

[daring swan]

@merry blade show the t22 shooting the maus in the turret instead of shooting the clear side. It was clearly a throw @sinful crest bro they know they threw but won’t just accept the fact that it is true. Imagine needing to throw because you are so desperate for top 4 @sly axle and we all know the t22 can pen shots since he has made top 4 before

[sinful crest]

Honestly pathetic, I really want to see what wargaming does about this, they literally say we should throw to avoid facing each other, let’s see how our amazing devs respond to this bullshit
@merry blade taken out of context?? You literally threw
@orchid edge maybe because they decided to rig the standings to avoid facing a stronger team first round?

[orchid edge]

@sinful crest so what? You have a problem that there isn’t a rule about it? Maybe we didn’t throw and actually just aped out. Maybe we did throw. Like you guys are bringing all the hate here even when the team first started. We did not break any unsportsmanlike rules according to WG protocols

[sly axle]

Their t22, sporting pro orange didnt pen a single one of the 20 shots he took on the maus

edit: t22 was hugging the sides and rear of the maus

[ancient shard]

Maus has good armor bro whats wrong with penning 0/20???

[tropic cloak]

In this Replay -MJ shoot HE during the Brawl. and Light tanks purposely Ramming maus.
In the leaderboard They we’re 3rd Place but they Wanted to Avoid fighting GG- (Their Main clan) that way they can get two Teams into Top 4 so they purposely threw the game so -SLG could pass them and Thus they get an easier chance at top 4 Let’s also talk about the Discord Leak

Key words of Ecchi (GG- Leader)
MJ Needs to Throw tomorrow
So they Get 5th and Face —R—
So Auto Top for both of us
That is solid proof that, what they’re doing is Unfair Play

[merry blade]

Nothing about that says anything, we talked about it, discussed it but never “threw” the game intentionally. SLG literally beat GG before so idk why when we lose it’s a big deal

[grim vine]

Nice HE

[sinful crest]

Okay SLavic sure you know maybe your vickers driver tried to get some splash damage into an afk tank😂 or better yet explain your vickers player driving 65 KM/H into the heaviest tank in the game bro

[thorn shale]

@merry blade man its already obvious what you guys did, why dont you just admit what you guys have done?

[novel yoke]

So you both rigged? I’m confused what u mean “did the same” 🤔

[daring swan]

No slg played properly and beat 4px and got to finals. Didn’t throw like MJ. They are mad that they aren’t fighting fairly for a better position, but just take advantage of an “easier” opponent matchup in top 8 @supple hearth lmao ikr

[sly axle]

@novel yoke slg didnt rig, watch the replays- theyre in this channel scroll up

[thorn shale]

your vickers player is cracked bro

[orchid edge]

Again we didn’t break any WG rules. We did not meme and gloat. We stayed silent and played our game. Even with us losing cups this shouldn’t be a problem for you. You should be the better team and The only reason you could bring this up is if you actually are scared of us.

[narrow meteor]

@sinful crest judge William will punish all

[supple hearth]

It’s funny when teams rig for rewards lmao, shows how strong they really are

[sinful crest]

Honestly this is nothing but disappointing, NA server has had a good season no drama whatsoever and on the last day MJ- decides to close the season on a horrible note. Straight up embarrassing

[upper oar]

this channel has been temporarily locked to cull drama

[muted ore]

@sinful crest @south wharf Hello. We cannot punish the clan for the choice of shells or failed ramming. E5 was not immediately destroyed either.
I agree that MJ- clan's play in this match looks weak, but we cannot punish a team simply for playing weakly.

[frosty nexus]

📢 Dear players of Asia server,
We faced and issue which happened to accrual of rewards for the leaderboard. The process had been started before Gold series #3 was ended. That's why some clans received wrong rewards.

We decided that:

1. 7 and 8 places will receive tickets for Summer Championship and missing rewards
2. 9 and 12 places will receive tickets for Middle echelon championship

Also we decided to don't remove wrong rewards from accounts of players which received them. Anyway during the registration period of championship we are planning to check every team in the each tournament that it's suitable for this championship according leaderboard position.

[upper oar]

while I and many others may heavily disagree with WG's decision, lets try to be civil here. thanks

[rough tusk]

Sirius got back to me for another violation involving a similar thing. They dont consider Discord messages as any proof as they are prone to manipulation and it is not possible to link them to IGNs. That is why I'm guessing they were let off

[vapid night]

Will the ticket be deleted if I register for the top 8 Escheron with the ticket that arrived by mistake?

[vagrant thicket]

disgusting

[stark patio]

Nice wg

[novel bay]

o7

[slim blade]

sorry what happened on Asia server I was asleep

[empty phoenix]

Cheating = allowed
Memeing = not allowed.
Great work, once again you show no consistency. Will anything be done with the proof of account sharing?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857969978816593920/867993023064207420/image0.png

[chilly hemlock]

What a confusing decision

[civic ferry]

I would just like to compliment WG on the 2v2 and 3v3. We had a blast and would like to say I think it brings a lot of excitement and new dimension to tourny play. I hope you do these more often.

[chilly hemlock]

@muted ore genuinely curious, what differentiates the NA case as “weak play” but EU was seen as an actual violation?

I can’t wait for the summer season meme compilations after this thing is over. Just wow

[unique shoal]

I can't seem to understand - how mani spamming HE shells the entire game at easy penetrations is not a clear sign of throwing?

[sly axle]

Scratch mani- Oreo in t22 sporting pro orange deliberately bouncing the maus every single time when he is hugging the rear of the tank

[fresh inlet]

only rules work when camera is on

[slim blade]

I’m guessing the EU one is a violation because it was literally just afk people farming each other in a Grand Final tournament. That cannot possibly be blamed on anything. Whereas in NA tournament they shot back which implies that they were trying just really really badly

[chilly hemlock]

There are replays above so that isn’t even true

[empty phoenix]

Decisions like this is why teams cheat every season

[fresh inlet]

Yeah you are right so only farming is forbidden others are legal.

[chilly hemlock]

I don’t even know what you’re trying to say with these statements

[upbeat iris]

Same thing that differentiates drowning yourself on purpose from farming 11k I guess?

[fresh inlet]

I mean our tvp was farming dmg on stream that is illegal we sorry for that but other is fine like throwing games. If we weren't on the stream we wouldn't have been penalized.

[chilly hemlock]

All of it is bad sportsmanship

Imagine you were new to comp and the best team on the server was so much better that they let one guy farm your entire team. How would you feel? A bit disrespectful no?

[orchid spear]

This season is a complete mess, rip for mj. They were top 8 clean but now they will have the label of riggers.

[chilly hemlock]

I would think most high level clans would want comp to grow. The events in na and Eu just ruin all of that. Again, WG has made plenty of bad decisions this season too but the player base is no longer innocent

[leaden belfry]

The issue is that to wg, this form of rigging isn't obvious enough to them

[bold sierra]

How is it not obvious?

[chilly hemlock]

It’s one thing to ruin it for yourselves but it’s not just the four clans involved. It’s every player that plays in the season

[leaden belfry]

Even though 60% players playing like 40% potatoes should make it obvious, to wg it just looks like bad calls and decisions

[chilly hemlock]

Maybe it needs to be said in global chat🙄

[leaden belfry]

Unfortunately not the first time that something like this has happened and wg did nada

To say I'm disappointed is a very big understatement

[fresh inlet]

Yes this true we are sorry for that but If we were penalized, after this decision, the tournament rules should be stricter so that the same things do not happen again.

[leaden belfry]

This just invites more actions like this and undermines the tournament scene as a whole

Pretty sure that had wg penalised this previous times, this wouldn't have happened now

Equally sad that you can't trust teams to play fairly

[chilly hemlock]

Thank you for being a big enough person to admit it and take responsibility. That is huge and shows character

[leaden belfry]

But definitely sad wg isn't doing anything to stop such behaviour

😤

[chilly hemlock]

I think clans caught doing this should be banned for the rest of that particular season tbh. There’s no reason for it

[leaden belfry]

Yes but that requires wg seeing what's happening

[chilly hemlock]

If the punishment is also big enough, people won’t risk it

Facts

[leaden belfry]

Instead of bAd CaLlS and BaD aMmO cHoIcEs

[supple hearth]

Lol I like how WG literally called MJ- weak

[steel shell]

Xddd

[chilly hemlock]

Summer 2021 will be the biggest meme in wotb tournament history

[orchid spear]

Yup, sad how people can’t resist the urge to cheat.

[chilly hemlock]

Crazy since we’ve had tournaments for 5 years and should be well and truly past any of this

[chilly hemlock]

Morality is an issue for sure. But the rules need to be more severe

[coarse smelt]

More like the biggest meme in wotb history, period

It's mistake after mistake, and wargaming is just doubling down

[leaden belfry]

Both sides though - players and wg alike

[bold sierra]

5 years of tournaments should be well enough time to figure out the quirks of how to properly manage tournament scene. + adding a better tournament system

[leaden belfry]

Usually it's one or the other

[thick elk]

If I was one of the teams on eu that got punished for the farming thing and then nothing happened with the Na thing I would be so mad lol

[daring swan]

I hope R 5-0 MJ

[leaden belfry]

That's because the EU thing was spoken about it chat and very obvious

[chilly hemlock]

No kidding

[leaden belfry]

Whereas MJ just made themselves look like potatoes to rig it

Which to wg isn't obvious enough to call rigging

Because losing a 6 vs 3 and ramming mice and shooting HE at heavies is totally normal, apparently

/sarcasm

[fresh inlet]

What is funny? ıf there is a rule, it should be for everyone, not just for teams that are streaming or game should not be given to the opposing team on purpose for a better position or to eliminate the other opponent

[chilly hemlock]

It is for everyone. But if it’s not streamed, someone has to show the replays and that’s a lot harder considering they’d out themselves as a leak. A lot of abuse would come from that I bet

[supple hearth]

I don’t know, is it just me or fake wins don’t bring that much happiness, sometimes failing is good, because it gives motivation to continue grinding and becoming better, I didn’t get top 4 in my first season, and that motivated me to get better. Like sure, ull get ur camo, but after that no one will want to work with u, because ur reputation is ruined.

[leaden belfry]

No, not just you

It's those kind of games or the yolo rushes and such, that always make me regret all the preparation time and the time spend streaming

In NA's case, this would piss me off even more because I'd be getting up at 2am to stream at 3am, etc

But tbh, doesn't matter which server

It just sucks

[thick elk]

I get wg can’t punish a team for throwing because of a bad play or something like that, because everyone has bad days so it could be an honest mistake. But there should be a line somewhere or else wg should just say they won’t ban anyone for throwing, which I think they pretty much have in their actions from this last day

[fresh inlet]

True I don't know how wg will make decisions about rules and penalties in the future

[chilly hemlock]

Hopefully harsher than this

[potent magnet]

Honestly this szn is just mentally draining lol

[steel shell]

I dont know why they cant ban accounts for tournaments only for certain time as they used to back in the day
Perma bans for sharing accounts which can be changed to 14 day bans are useless but tournament ban for a year? Everyone would think twitch before violating the rules

[chilly hemlock]

I think the bans should be at minimum for tournaments and seasons. Get caught? Season over. Caught again? Season over and the next season too

[odd wolf]

yes

[steel shell]

Yeah i dont know why wg “perma bans” accounts when u can go every time to support and get the ban reduced to 14 days
Tournament bans would make more sense to me

[chilly hemlock]

Tbh I wouldn’t care if they could play pubs

[fresh inlet]

only this is not enough, if the rules are to be strict, the investigations need to be done in more detail, if possible, the tournament matches should also be followed by wg

[thick elk]

Yea, if you get banned because of something in a tourney, it should just be a tourney ban alone, banning for pubs is dumb. Any player can just hop on a friends account and play pubs, but if you get your account banned from tourney and can’t get rewards, it would make people think more

[sonic patio]

Even in asia server , a team rigged to let some favoured teams pass on to top 8 . This is was my 2nd season in asia server full of disappointment and time being wasted along with hard work. Any tournament player could easily identify the mis play.

[steel shell]

Yeah no1 cares about pubs, most of the “pro” players dont play pubs anyways so 14 day ban for rigging season and making my team get to better position? 😂meme

[stark patio]

I’m glad people are bringing this to more and more light

[chilly hemlock]

Agreed

[noble star]

The biggest issue to me is WG has no (I mean absolutely no) continuity on how they apply penalties or rules.

[chilly hemlock]

Certainly a better explanation is needed

[south wharf]

@muted ore they literarily had vickers ramming into heavies???

[thick elk]

Yes except it’s pretty much shut down now since wg has said they will do nothing

[chilly hemlock]

“Weak play”😂

[noble star]

@thick elk WG isn’t deaf though. If the community keeps a light on issues, WG will react - or they realize that the tournaments mean nothing and other teams will do worse to win.

[thick elk]

What more could have been done? There were multiple people sending replays, multiple screenshots and tons of players in this channel saying how obvious it was.

[young furnace]

it wansn't that obvius tho, we all bounce 50 times the side of a maus at least once.
@chilly hemlock yea ik it was sarcasm

[chilly hemlock]

This was a miss by WG. But hopefully that won’t always be the case

[chilly hemlock]

Watch the video in #857969978816593920 from apple lmao

Sarcasm doesn’t always read well

[unique shoal]

@muted ore how is throwing not obvious when enemy players are shooting HE throughout the game when they have the clear side or the ability to use premium shells to easily penetrate??????

[thick elk]

Yea, I guess we all just better hope next time something like this comes up it is delt with and an example is set, but I really doubt something so obvious will happen again.

[green plover]

He was high and loaded the wrong ammo it happens sometimes

[shy sun]

Im afraid of autumn season at this point

[gray pond]

Why afraid? Let's make autumn season more funnier.

[young furnace]

inb4 they make it t6

[fast hare]

cacablast#6589 was muted

___mani_94__#1649 was muted

[noble star]

@chilly hemlock it wasn’t a miss, it was much more of a drop. Misses are excusable sometimes. Drops aren’t.

[chilly hemlock]

E - WG

[shy sun]

@gray pond lets hope we get znth vs rng and we can both go drown or shoot hesh and bounce, lets see what wg thinks about it

[thorn tinsel]

@patent quartz stop rigg stp

[patent quartz]

finally unmuted, tbh i think both teams had the same idea but one succeeded and not the other, but imo regulation should change drastically regarding this kind of sensitive topic, you can't play this bad as top8 contenders and it should be obvious

[noble star]

Agreed

[unique shoal]

No matter if both or one team does it here should be some kind of consequence especially when the evidence is shown in broad daylight

[open zealot]

Well I guess the fate of our favorite teams in top 8, MJ- and GG lies in the tournament itself 😁

[patent quartz]

and it goes for both teams considering they obviously both tried to lose to gain an advantage, it would've been the same if MJ won against SLG, they would send replays and complain how SLG rigged their loss, like you can't complain about something if you do the same and if their has to be a punishment it would take effect for both the teams involved

[unique shoal]

I don't get what you're saying here, just because both teams do it doesn't make the action justified. There should always be repercussions no matter who wins or who complains

[modest whale]

ngl would be kinda funny to see 2 teams intentionally trying to throw go against each other

[gray pond]

Yea man, I'm really interested to know what will wg do. Maybe they take our remaining cups and we get 1 day premium instead?

[patent quartz]

that's what i'm saying, but if both are trying to rig, and one decides to report the other, and it appears obvious that both tried to lose on purpose, then a punishment for both teams can be a solution to prevent this kind of behaviour and force both teams to not do like they did yesterday.

[unique shoal]

Agreed, punishment is needed for both although it is much more obvious from MJ

[shy sun]

@gray pond we could try it in challengers but lets not risk XD

[slender harness]

all draw bo9

[rotund jewel]

And after all weak play will be set as the new meme now on.
Happy top 8.

[modest whale]

summer season 2021 best season 👍

[grim vine]

o7 wg saying mj is week but still in top 4 due to rigging and wgs bad cup system💀

[gray pond]

Just wait for Mojkar's video

[latent olive]

Trying to work out objectively whether a team has breached the rules after the event is actually rather difficult indeed and can open up a major can of worms. Remember, WG are looking at the matter after the fact and thus they look at it from a more objective viewpoint, hence the difficulty. Not only that, but I doubt that those reviewing are tour players or top players and as such they dont always see clearly what the actual tour players see etc.

In fairness the eSports side has grown significantly on WOTB and maybe now is the time to start considering referees who have both the experience, skill and knowledge to see violations related to bad sportsmanship etc. Obviously that wouldnt be plausible for each and every single match, but at least the main games, such as finals etc.

[chilly hemlock]

It would require tournaments to be seen as important and treated as such in the first place

[ancient shard]

Weak play, even tho there is ss proof of MJ conspiring to rig before the matches even started

[novel yoke]

How did slg try to lose?

[novel bay]

Rigging seeding to further a teams success in the Professionals series should be a greater violation than farming 11k light-heartedly without affecting the standings of others nor hindering their success.

[modest whale]

@muted ore did you see the screenshot of mj saying how they should throw before the round started?
What a shame

[latent olive]

@chilly hemlock and I see no reason why they shouldnt be, after all they are a great marketing tool for WG and they have the opportunity to bring in a lot in the form of sponsorships and players longer term.

[slim socket]

Someone already said they can't use discord screenshots as proof because they're easy to manipulate @modest whale and you can't connect discord users to players

[rugged grove]

sure but there's hard evidence of account sharing, what does wg say to that?

[chilly hemlock]

I think WG already lost their chance to capitalize on the comp scene back in 2018/2019. Building it now I doubt would be as quick as it would have before

[thick elk]

If there is account sharing wg will catch it

[sly axle]

After seeing such a blatant throw for better positioning, and WG doing absolutely nothing, it makes me wonder if comp is even worth the bother of playing just to have teams use any means necessary. I’m sure many players are wondering the same.

For the players that will still play after this season, I praise your incredible patience.

[flat goblet]

The screenshots aren’t even necessary. All you need is context. 2 teams that are related potentially play each other and knock one out first day, so to avoid it, one needs to change place. They can do that if they lose, so they try to lose.

Even without that context, the replays clearly show that these players did not want to win. But with the context, it should be crystal.

[novel yoke]

@thick elk they filled a team with throw away accounts, the throw away accounts will get banned but not their main.

[crisp shore]

Certainly I think what we are seeing at the moment would only convince Wargaming not to invest in tournaments more 😦

[thick elk]

In the past if a large portion of a team was banned, they said it had a large enough impact on the results that they did more than just ban individual accounts @novel yoke

[chilly hemlock]

Oh please. They started in with their own awful set up of the season. They started the train wreck. Certain clan just decided to add a tornado to it

[valid orchid]

I pro player i play profesional tournament 😎

[novel yoke]

Or scrap the tournaments funding altogether. They should hire new people to run it. I’m sorry. but it took you one day to figure out that silver would make more than gold. If they can’t even do basic arithmetic what can we expect

[latent olive]

@crisp shore I disagree totally. All sports, regardless, have situations whereby teams do things to gain better positioning or exploit loopholes to gain the slightest of chances. Yes there are times when there is blatant cheating, and the outcome is normally harsh indeed - think Ben Johnson or even Aussie Cricket team. It is part and parcel of sports, hence why the various bodies set up even more vigorous ways to referee games in order to try and combat this.

What we have is an eSport that has evolved quickly but the admin side is catching up very slowly indeed. WG havent thrown enough resources at the tour side, for various reasons, but I do not understand why they dont reach out to the community for help, much like they do with testers. There will be players out there who are trust worthy and capable of assisting in tour admin that could take the load of WG and bring the much needed people resources.

[unique shoal]

Honestly a disgrace to the whole NA server. No respect or honor getting dirty on the last day of ascents

[red vapor]

@unique shoal I agree.

[daring swan]

@patent quartz slg didn’t try to throw though because they beat the team they played after mj

[merry blade]

no they didn't lol they literally threw that game, 3-1 no i just checked they threw that game

[novel yoke]

@muted ore cant we just make the top 8 round robin/ randomized like the rest of the season? It’s clear that teams are rigging for placement because they know the predetermined format. We can turn a blind eye and pretend like “extremely weak play” and win rate rigging in past tournaments is ok. But can we do something to assure teams that they get a fair chance in top 8?

[crisp shore]

True, can't deny there are a lot of questionable decisions this season with regards to the change of tournament format. I agree with @novel yoke that there needs to be more thought to the tournament structure too. It goes both ways actually: Wargaming having a robust tournament structure and rules system, and teams not cutting every corner they see -- at the end of the day not all loopholes can be patched and we could only rely on teams to play fairly

[steel shell]

I find a single elimination in the first stage as a joke…

[ancient shard]

One win = top 4😎😎👍👍

[flat goblet]

at the end of the day not all loopholes can be patched and we could only rely on teams to play fairly

Lol

[latent olive]

try to remember that WG changed the format this time to try something different, as many complained about the previous format. Either way WG cant seem to win, which is a tad unfair on them really.

No system is 100% perfect and never will be. Yes the 100% WR accs creates issues that WG need to resolve. Yes the tickets created issues that WG needed to resolve. In fact no matter what system they come up with there will always be a loophole, always be someone who doesnt like it and always be something wrong with it.

And teams will always do what they can to win - simple! They will exploit any loophole they can and in some cases cheat in the hope they wont be discovered! Welcome to the real world Neo

[novel yoke]

Also “weak play” not being rigging is absolutely pathetic. It’s clear it’s up to wargamings discretion. And they don’t care. Just like how they didn’t care that “there wasn’t a large cup difference” from taking away silver cups from teams that played silver

[chilly hemlock]

Memes

[chilly hemlock]

They didn’t foresee multiple teams per clan or silver and gold tournaments having equal cups could be problems? Come on man. That’s inexcusable

Especially since clans have run multiple teams for years

[lusty flint]

💀💀

[crisp shore]

See we are laughing at this so how can we expect Wargaming to be serious with tournaments? 😉

[chilly hemlock]

If this is “serious with tournaments” it’s laughable

[wicked snow]

Any info whether the update will be before / after the top8 games ? Didn't keep up with it much

[chilly hemlock]

At this point, it might be during it

[latent olive]

@chilly hemlock you know I really dont think they did see that coming and I agree its poor indeed and I dont disagree with you view there at all

[flat goblet]

Yeah I honestly don’t think they see any of it coming. Sheesh

[chilly hemlock]

But how could they not? They’ve had 5 or 6 years of tournament creation

They have tons of experience. Presumably

[novel yoke]

How would they rig if top 8 was also randomized? I get that WG want the strongest teams in the final match by the bracket so they can try to monetize views or something. But it’s clear the strongest teams aren’t going to the top this season.

[crisp shore]

I don't disagree that Wargaming has not put in enough effort for this season, for example starting with silver/gold series mishap with a clan fielding teams on both series and getting cups from these two series that are held at the same time. There are questionable judgements concerning gold/silver series format and cases of teams seemingly violating the rules or the principles of fair play, and it does look amateurish in some sense.

I'm pretty sure Wargaming is also quite frustrated with what they see in the last few seasons, hence I said it goes both ways. Both need to do better.

[wicked snow]

I agree
Clearly it shouldn't be randomised but it could be round robin that'd be fair to everyone and would make sure only the best 4 teams advance

[chilly hemlock]

WG sets the tone first. They create the tournament structure, and then players join. If they don’t put their best foot forward there are repercussions

They could easily ban anyone who violates fair play as well

[latent olive]

@chilly hemlock because sometimes they fail to anticipate the overall effect, sometimes they dont give enough credit to the innovation of players/clans, which is something we see often - think back to the ticket issue that was mainly EU Spring Season 2020 - again they didnt see that one coming

Thing about tours, and I have said this before, WG needs to be a little bit humble and try to engage with those who are trustworthy and no longer involved in tours, but with experience, from all servers, and try to come up with something that does work. Having 2 people work tours is just not viable anymore as it is clear they are overloaded and they cant think of everything tbf

@crisp shore for example, you are running a very small tour in real terms and look how many you have on the admin side and still you face issues all the time. Now multiple that across 4 servers and literally 100's of teams and now only run it with 2 main staff then you start to appreciate the problem

[chilly hemlock]

Multiple teams per clan has been thought of before and outlawed in the past. And gold and silver cups being the same is unreal. Why build a tier system if two tiers get the same rewards?

[novel yoke]

I wonder why we have a record low for number of comp teams participating this season 🤔🤔🤔🤔 gee

[thick elk]

lol big mystery

[novel yoke]

Multiple seasons of winrate rigging and incompetence is really doing the trick

[vapid crypt]

At this point pubs are more comp than comp itself

[proud holly]

I’m lowkey just waiting on @proper kraken to drop some juicy memes

Speaking of which Sirius still needs to address the fact that only 7 teams will play the NA middle echelon championships. Some lucky team is legitimately going to get a bye in the first round if they don’t have a single-elimination opponent and that means they’ll automatically get top 12

[bold sierra]

Lmao