tourneys-discussion

[young furnace]

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[supple hearth]

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[young furnace]

Tournement

[atomic tartan]

wow this season really seems off to a brilliant start

[tardy bay]

Im a blitz cup 2020 participant.

[signal grotto]

Looking for teams for the tournaments

[glad sphinx]

great tourney system, reg time is great

[sinful crest]

Want to chat in the private pro server?

[tardy bay]

yes

[obtuse hound]

Does anyone have the calendar schedule for each series Tournies?

[ancient shard]

@obtuse hound this is for the bronze series, idk about the rest

[obtuse hound]

Thank you ❤️

[proud holly]

Tournyament is awesomes

i wan play tournayetments everyhwady

[orchid edge]

@lime glen got a question. So my team for NA got a silver ticket and 2 of the members left to join another team. Will the gold and Silver tickets be given only to the players that participated on that team or will the whole clan be able to get that ticket? If only players get the ticket that means we will be 2 players down for a silver tourney and that’s not good.

[silver vapor]

@orchid edge tickets will only be awarded for players who took part in the bronze tournament with that specific team.

[rough tusk]

@muted ore are there a minimum no of bronze tours that a team is required to participate in to be eligible for the upper/middle/lower championships? Like last time people had to be in atleast 3 PYS to be eligible for rewards

[muted ore]

To receive a tournament award, a player must have participated in at least 3 tournaments in the Bronze series during the Summer Season 2021: http://forum.wotblitz.asia/index.php?/topic/21147-summer-season-championship-2021/

[rough tusk]

@muted ore thank you for the quick reply

[burnt glacier]

Can somebody send description (battle format, sheldue etc.) of Gold/Silver tournaments?

[uncut stone]

i need a clan to join that does tourneys

[rocky crystal]

Why is this still a rule? So youre telling me that if a clan gets top 8 or top 16, and lets say one player purposefully leaves. So then the clan will get punished because of 1 player that decided to leave and this prevented half the team from getting rewards?

[crisp shore]

I think the system does not allow that one person to leave voluntarily. This can only be done by the clan leader kicking them out

[rocky crystal]

If thats the case then that is reasonable and makes sense

[odd wolf]

@rocky crystal it’s not the team, it says the team captain and the player who left the clan

[slim blade]

Are the tournaments for each season usually on the same dates? I.e if the autumn championship was on the 18th of October last year is it likely to be on the 18th of October this year?

[jade hornet]

+/- mostly just some days apart

[slim blade]

But mostly the same timescale alright

[vagrant thicket]

@slim blade roughly yea

[upper sky]

Why arent the QT listed at usual time? Now if you want to play tier 10 QT you need to wait an extra hour while others might not be able to cause of their personal schedules. And even then people might be reduced to only playing the tier 6 tourney

[patent quartz]

@muted ore just to make sure (i don't think there's any problem regarding my account), as long as i am playing on the very same device during the entire tournament, moving isn't an issue, right? (for IP stuff etc...)

[wet tide]

I’ll be moving from hotel to hotel too, using the same device so really hope that won’t be a problem…

[modest whale]

Last time someone asked Sirius said they couldn't make any guarantees

[sinful crest]

@muted ore when will the maps for each match in the summer season championship and middle echelon maps/matches be released.

[sinful crest]

@quiet apex how much money would you like Im very interested

[muted ore]

Hi. The maps were published on 2 July in the regulations on the game forum.

[sinful crest]

Gotcha, thank you

[muted ore]

Unfortunately, I cannot tell or guarantee anything on future checking.

[vital obsidian]

Link to that forum?

[mint summit]

WG, thanks for this 2v2 tournament.
It's quick, fun & really enjoyable. :smiley:

[sinful crest]

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/112843-summer-season-championship-2021/
here’s the link to the forum @vital obsidian for challengers just check in game news section of summer szn championship and it’s all there

[vital obsidian]

ty

[sour stump]

Can we get some daytime tournaments? Noon, lunchtime EST/CST tourneys with new 2v2, 3v3 tourney format.

[crisp shore]

A lot of people work or study during daytime

[sinful crest]

^

[sour stump]

No kidding, that’s why the nighttime tourneys. I’m asking for additional tourney times for players who can’t play evenings.

[crisp shore]

Quick tournaments start quite early in the afternoon but usually nobody is playing at that time

[daring swan]

Not for na for some reason

[warped wind]

what happen if i used emulator in pro tour ?

[rough tusk]

ez ban. Emulators dont have IMEI nos like ur phone or ipad does or most likely it will be a spoofed one which can be detected. Plus the aiming/zooming on emulator sucks. Mobile players will destroy you. You're not gaining much of an advantage anyway using an emulator to justify the risk

or is thinking of using one @slim blade

[slim blade]

sounds like someone used emulator in pro tour

[warped wind]

i mean windows 11 says they'll support android apps through amazon store anyways so who knows 👀

[silk thistle]

@muted ore how r tournament rewards distributed among the participants in the new qt format? I am planning to join a 2v2 with one sub who's on the team just in case. But he won't be playing. Will the rewards be distributed among the participants who actually play?

[elder coral]

I’d assume that it’s just like the regular QTs until Sirius confirms or denies that

[silk thistle]

thanks!

[proud holly]

the new formats prob have the same systems/rewards, the difference i guess is the # of players lol

[wet moat]

@wargaming

You HAVE to bring more 2vs2 quick tournaments! They are actually a lot of fun! 😅

[runic echo]

Can i have someone join my VIII 2v2 tournament group named Do not die pls

[proud holly]

The seeding for the sivler/gold series tournaments are also random right

[vagrant thicket]

pretty sure yea

[carmine solstice]

Is there a time period we can expect the brackets to be released in future? No one is really sure when the brackets are supposed to be released. e.g in PYS seasons, the bracket is always released 5 minutes after registration ends

[proud holly]

I usually see the brackets 1 hour after registration

[carmine solstice]

yea idk cuz Asia reg ended about 3-4 hours ago with no brackets yet. Weird

[crisp shore]

The brackets are done manually so it depends on Wargaming

[muted ore]

@silk thistle That's right ) like the regular QT

[last flower]

Dear Wargaming!
2v2 quick tournaments only in July 7 or from July till 3v3 starts?

[muted ore]

Hello. Only on the 7th of July. Later in July there will be 3vs3 and 5vs5 tournaments

[last flower]

Oh ok thanks

[autumn sail]

Just wanted to say the 2v2 tournament last night was one of the best times I've had in the game ever. Winning was a part of it, but the tense moments of close battles just made it thrilling. Great call to add this dimension to the game.

[daring swan]

@muted ore is it against the regulations for someone to leave a clan after registration closes for a bronze tourney

[muted ore]

Hi, no.

[silk thistle]

Thank u

[harsh thistle]

Yes. 2v2s were pretty fun to play. It's always fun when you have a skill mode that isn't always try hard the entire time and you get to have fun with it. Like double Leo's against 2 heavies. Very enjoyable.

[limber lintel]

I just read the format of the championship and middle echelon, single elimination on the group stage, that's a actually a joke, this horrible schedule and grind for teams to reach their goal and then they can get knocked out from 1 opponent,

that's such a joke wtf, 😂 😂 😂

[jade hornet]

wtf is it rlly?

[odd wolf]

Yes

[burnt glacier]

@limber lintelimagine being knocked out from 1 opponent
Ugh

[rough tusk]

Wow. You're actually right. Imagine 8th place team grind for an entire season and make it to pro tour only for them to face 1st place team and get instantly knocked out. Smh. This is not cool

[daring swan]

Just get 7th

[proud holly]

You guys talking about the championships? Or the Silver/Gold tournaments.
Because Im pretty sure that the Professionals/Challengers are still going to be double elimination.

Unless they already published the info

[daring swan]

@proud holly they are published in the forums

[proud holly]

WAT

[rough tusk]

They're single elem. Literally 3 of us checked lol. It's bs

[harsh thistle]

wait, thats awful, champs should not be single elim, thats defeats the purpose

[crisp shore]

It's single elimination in the first round to decide top 4, then double elimination for the top 4

[rough tusk]

Yes that's exactly the issue, 4 teams in group stage will be knocked out via single elimination which is unfair

[proud holly]

Yeah on one hand, it makes it easier for the teams that DO win since they automatically go to the finals.
But on the other hand, killing off that "last chance" is kinda cold.

[rough tusk]

It could also give rise to situations where a clan goes ham in all bronze/silver/gold tours and gets an insane amount of cups and has a bad day in group stage and they're out. It's just unfair for everyone putting in so much effort to be knocked out by a bo7

[crisp shore]

Unless Wargaming wants to try their hand on Swiss format 👀

[warped patrol]

Just came back home 15 mins ago so I wanted to play last today’s match but I didnt get invite to the room 🦄

[lusty flint]

💀

[limber lintel]

it's WG, keep expectations low, so people don't mind if you do some stupid things

[elder coral]

Yeah I noticed that you won’t get an invite unless you’re online right at the start. It’s really stupid because something changed and got messed up. My best guess is that WG was trying to remove the thing where there would be multiple tournament room invites from previous rounds by auto deleting them when the room ended, but they somehow managed to make the invites delete immediately if someone wasn’t online right at the time of sending.

[vital obsidian]

The invite bug can be handled, but more annoying is bug if game crash in tourney, you cant get back into toruney room

[crisp shore]

The start time of 4th game is 21:18 CEST, so no wonder why you missed it 🤔

[crisp shore]

Not really, I didn't miss the invite for the first game on Asia server when spectating, despite getting into the game like 3 minutes before the match starts. I think you will not receive the invite if you arrive after the 1st match started.

[sinful crest]

Nah i like the format actually it’s straight to the point

[narrow meteor]

It’s got potential

[supple hearth]

Format is cool

[thorn shale]

Nice schedule WG 0 breaks. And 90% of the games we face 50%wr team that dont show up. Epic

[open zealot]

Yea 8th place teams r 8th place for a reason, I don’t see the problem of an early exit for anyone. Makes the games all the more important. 😁

[sinful crest]

It’s 🧠

[harsh thistle]

The issue is not all 8th place teams are the worst in the group, and them losing any chance for redemption for getting further is taken away by single Elim. Sure they may not win it all, but they could really be 5th or 6th place and get knocked out in on set of games

[analog osprey]

+++

[jaunty wagon]

Uh, I didn’t get a invite to the tourney room and I was online when invites were sent to my teammates.

[elder coral]

bruhg

[jaunty wagon]

The dates say that the tournament is on July 12th?

[harsh thistle]

Clearly Mako, wg doesn't want you to play anymore lmao
I'm very glad to have taken a break this season

[jaunty wagon]

my dates and times are normal now but I haven’t gotten any invites still lol. Update I finally got an invite lol

[elder coral]

@muted ore say that a player is not able to play on the team for any of the bronze matches so they dont get any of the silver or gold tickets, would that player be able to play on a team in the silver or gold tournament if the rest of the team all has a bunch of tickets for that tournament.

[daring swan]

@elder coral someone would have to use two tickets for them I suppose

[elder coral]

thats what i was thinking but idk if thats a possibility this season

[harsh thistle]

Only 30 minutes late lmao

[jaunty wagon]

Yea I missed the first 2 matches lol

[harsh thistle]

Totally not important

[muted ore]

Hi. Each player in the team will only be able to contribute 1 ticket, for himself.

[outer isle]

Agree

[silver vapor]

@muted ore not blaming wg or anything, but is there any reason why tour 5 is skipped instead of tour 7 when there’s only 6 teams? It just looked strange to push the games back instead of start at standard time and end earlier.

[crisp shore]

Your group has 7 teams, so you will definitely miss one of the rounds because we can only assign 3 fixtures per round (=6 teams playing at the same time)

[silver vapor]

yeah but why start late instead of end early? (7:26PM - 8:00PM vs 7PM - 7:30PM)

[crisp shore]

Because HLV is playing at 19:00 at that time

[silver vapor]

that means bad scheduling? you don't need 7 timeslots for 6 matches that can be played in parallel

[crisp shore]

Nope, it is what it is. There is definitely a team that will not play in a round because you can only have even number of teams playing in a round at the same time.

[forest matrix]

Guys do we know what is the number of wins of first day of gold ? As I understand it is single elimination, the only game of the day and access to a lot of cups I hope it is like bo7?

[crisp shore]

Best of 5

[daring swan]

Watch two top 8 teams face each other in the first round on the first day so one doesn’t make it to the final stage

[sonic patio]

Yay that's like more chances for others to get top 8 but then top 8 wouldn't be the best skilled teams ... top 6 will.be best skilled team...

[elder coral]

It’s going to happen at least once, that’s for sure

[calm atlas]

How it works, we won against a1n1 but lost vs krks and a1n1 won against krks but lost against us, we get cups for 3rd place or what?

[burnt glacier]

@calm atlascups for 1st place for all
Same situation was in Bronze#1

[cyan timber]

yeah noob same situation as bronze 1

[daring swan]

All 3 get gold tickets lol @strange spruce bruhhh

[strange spruce]

3 silver and 3 gold tickets, right? Lol

[modest whale]

rip slvn7 😔

[limber lintel]

uhm, if 20 teams have gold tickets, and those teams all sign up, is it gonna be free final stage for 4 teams?

cus if so that's actually so stupid man

[crisp shore]

Actually *21 because IMM0R's 2nd team got gold tickets

[fervent light]

@muted ore @frosty nexus sorry to ping you on a friday evening/night, but unfortunately one of my CW players is experiencing a problem. During the bronze series #2 I managed to get a gold ticket with my team that we want to use during the gold series #1 tomorrow. The problem now is that he is not able to contribute his golden ticket in the team (see screenshots). Is there anything you can do for me?

[daring swan]

@limber lintel 21 teams means 3 groups which is 7 in each group so one team in each group makes it to the final stage because they will be given a by

[crisp shore]

Yeah I thought it was 20 initially too which would make it 4

[fervent light]

nevermind, the problem has been fixed already! 🙂

[high stag]

when is 8.0 coming

[gleaming river]

A month ago

[fervent light]

😂🤦‍♂️

[inland loom]

For the silver or gold series, is it possible to put 2 tickets for a teammate that doesnt have one?

[primal talon]

@inland loom Yes,atleast as far as im aware,i had 3 and could contribute a total amount of 3 if i wanted,you only need to have 10 Tickets as a team

[limber lintel]

DepreseedGuys brrrrr

[primal talon]

Anton was too depressed so he made mistake @limber lintel

[inland loom]

This work for you ? bcs i can’t put more than 1 tickets

We cant put more than one

[thorn shale]

If u can’t put more than one you already have your answer. Wg made a wise choice with this tbh

[limber lintel]

no, clearly people who didn't manage to get their tickets themselves still deserve to play golds, 🤡

[sinful crest]

@muted ore is there any plans on returning the true challenger camo?

[thorn shale]

Indeed hahahah

Also idk why WG keeps accepting 2nd teams 😴😫

[carmine solstice]

Can Normandy spawns be corrected. Makes tournament games so hard sometimes because there seems to be no general rule for which tank types can spawn where. Any strategy that requires an early push/pressure on the CD side is often made unnecessarily difficult because heavies spawn down at the beach while lights and mediums spawn on the heavy cap. Is there a reason for this to be so braindead or is it just ignored?

[glass thunder]

You are joking right? For me its blocked one ticket only per player

[glad sphinx]

its one ticket for player this szn, they fixed it

[thorn shale]

Random seeding in gold do be vibing

[burnt glacier]

@thorn shaleluck goes brrrrr

[tepid trout]

can i just say how retarded single elimination is in gold tourney

[thorn shale]

Very retarded 😂

pog

[glad sphinx]

silver ._. ;-;, random seeding go brrrrrrr

[tepid trout]

we are against eg- first round poggers

[patent quartz]

the bronze tournament seeding is 10x better than the gold one, can that be explained?

[inland loom]

Its block for everybody

[burnt glacier]

@patent quartzseeding same
But
Bronze using round robin
Gold using single elimination+double elimination

[glass thunder]

Wht round robine in trash silver vs 4 teams that don't showup and single élimination in gold that so retarded

[steel shell]

id say its just because in bronze there is much more teams than in the gold tournament

[patent quartz]

which might explain why u guys skipped one round out of nowhere.
@burnt glacier nvm, i thought there was some kind of seeding abuse or stuff, my bad you're not abusing it...

[crisp shore]

Two brackets of top 8 teams in cups leaderboard in group stage quarterfinals... definitely daft seeding there

[burnt glacier]

sounds like you think that it depends from us...)
It's past only 1/3 of all season
So don't worry
We will get our hard mm for sure)
I mean seeding is random in both tournaments(gold and bronze tourn)
UPD: Nice to hear that lol.
UPD1: I mean we are not even using 2 teams like IMMOR which is most closer to call it abusing(which is not actually as well)

[proud holly]

seeding is randomized in all the qualifier tournys

[glass thunder]

@muted ore what kind of joke is this i didn’t receive room invite when im in tournament how can this be fair?
Plus this trash system players don’t get invites

[tepid trout]

niceeeeeeee thank you wg for great summer season
no obvious flaws whatsoever

[thorn shale]

it happened to us once also and lost bcs playing 3 games with 6

[limber lintel]

I mean it's gonna be a meme, most of the silver teams, (teams who weren't good enough to snatch gold tickets), will pass quite a few of the top8 rated teams like A1N1- e.g.

ok not most, but still quite a few

So nice meme, gg wp WG

it's the easiest fix of your life, just make it round robin bo3, honestly, it's better than this single elimination trash

[proud holly]

One of our players (I_Love_Hockey) didn't get a ticket even though we placed 3rd in our group during Bronze Series #3. Anything we can do about this? @muted ore

[warm snow]

As a member of the same team as ^^^, I saw I received two silver tickets in my notifications but I only have 1 in my storage

[elder coral]

That’s a bruh moment. Btw tell hockey I say hi and that he’s bad.

[glass thunder]

from us 2 main players didn't receive invites

• who the retard who made bronze that give max 2k points with round robine vs ghost teams
  and in gold when we have 10k cups u give free spot in final stage to random teams and put 2 top6 spring (first , 6th ) in first round
  the one who made this system didn't even use his brain at all
  gg best programmers

u give some teams 5,654 free cups and because they are bad they lose again in final stage and by doing nothing they get 4,240 more free cups

[limber lintel]

@muted ore please avoid this disaster of silver final stage teams getting more than gold group stage only teams, it's just blatanly wrong, there is still time to edit the cup amounts

[thorn shale]

this season is gonna be a meme like the one before gg Wp

[glass thunder]

this is worst than old system xd
in spring if u miss final stage u lose around 2k point
in this season bad teams who just go and lose get free 9k cups
just because system did pick them to get free spot in semifinal

[thorn shale]

yes old system seeding was better xd

[tepid trout]

honestly just hire me instead and i will fix all problems

[burnt glacier]

@glass thunderbetter to have ability to abuse system like it was with last system
Mhm
I agree that cups of silver tournaments have to be down
But ''take'' about last system is bs

[thorn shale]

@burnt glacier well actually you can abuse it now too you just have to go to silver to gets more cups easly cause all goods teams are in gold and that strange wg didn't think about it

[strange spruce]

@thorn shale no, it's wrong. U can get more cups just not being eliminated in the first round

[thorn shale]

yes but when you face EG- first round xd@strange spruce

[tepid trout]

by getting lucky*

[burnt glacier]

@thorn shaleman, it's completely less level of abusing than manipulating with WR

[thorn shale]

@burnt glacier in sprta we never used wr seeding xd

[glass thunder]

in old system if u miss 1 final stage u can come back and get top 8 in this season if miss final stage in gold tournament you are 95% out
so we probably see BPS / A1n1 spring season top 8 teams out thx to random mm in gold

[burnt glacier]

@glass thunderthere are 6 more tournaments so it is rly wierd point

[jade hornet]

thats why we have 2 teams. this season doesnt depend rlly on skill if u dont have top4 skill. one can be the 6th best team but end up as 10th (at least it's a bigger difference than seasons before). backup is rlly needed for that xd

[glass thunder]

2 more gold bronze give nothing gold can give extra 5k cups to lucky teams who did nothing but get lucky to get semifinal

[burnt glacier]

@glass thunderah yeah
Getting lucky with some MM stages is more abusing than just having 100% accs before tournament
There were no situations when team was out cause was knocked out at 1/4 at first day so lost lots of points cause of it

[glass thunder]

abusing to get 600 more cups than others is not same as getting luck to get 5k-7k point advantage

[thorn shale]

yep

[burnt glacier]

@glass thunderah yeah 600 sure
You would check how abusing from team who used 100% acc worked at least for them ( I mean how it depended)
And it wasn't only 600 most of the time
Anyway I agreed with point that it's rly disappointing that WG let situations where players from Silver tournaments can get more points than teams from Gold tourn

Btw it seems like WGs system count results of teams that played silver and gold both results

[cobalt yarrow]

@muted ore why not round robin on gold series too , %90 of players would like it.
Edited whoever is using 2 team one for gold series other one for silver count only gold series, for 2 team abusers

[thorn shale]

Wg wtf ? one team in gold and one in silver = cups counts both xddddddddd

[thorn shale]

“For 2 team abusers” doesnt 7URKS also use a second team??

[warped patrol]

bruh

[cobalt yarrow]

how many game did they play? it's for if we have bay game we can go ''our'' other accounts and play for fun

[crisp shore]

I think it's a bug? I don't think it's fair to have cups registered for participating in Gold and Silver at the same time

[steel shell]

this better be bug
@muted ore @frosty nexus this has to be fixed immediately, there is no way clans will profit from having 2 separate teams playing two different tournaments

[limber lintel]

it was adressed here, but still somehow it seems KRK-S, sorry for singling you out here guys, hope you don't mind, the cup counts of gold and silver tour,

therefor a clan can have a team in gold and in silver and they will stack,

people adressed this potential issue, if you really just went by and skipped this, the season is gonna be a flop (not saying KRK-S doesn't deserve top 8, more that it's unfair clans stack cups with multiple teams),

@muted ore can you confirm if this massive flaw was overlooked, or if it's just the portal having some issues, because if this is actually like this, the season is just gonna be a joke

don't take this as an assault, it's really just life and death situation for the season and if it was overlooked after people mentioned this potential exploit, well ...

(sorry for the ping Bread, should've disabled the ping, 😘 )

edit: from the screenshot, you can see both gold and silver contributed cups
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565576913968693274/863517589024145438/unknown.png

[thorn shale]

Please WG fix this, thanks

i hope its a bug, if not this would be just crazy

[burnt glacier]

@thorn shale french tactic about earning points looks like big brain
UPD: Just joking, I guess KRK-S second team wanted to play some tournament, that why they have 2 teams in both tournament

[jade hornet]

…

[limber lintel]

but it's not the same tournaments, they're counted as different, that's the thing, the bronzes one team didn't contribute cups cus it's same tour, now it's different tour

[steel shell]

this works if both teams are in the same tournament
gold and silver being 2 different tourneys therefore wg didnt think about it apparently which blows my mind

[thorn shale]

Ameno

[burnt glacier]

@limber lintel Ye it would be OP if this rule working like team getting points from best result between different tournaments
Logic goes brrr
Or KRK-S will say smth like we followed your rules, give us points from both cause u allowed such situation 😂

[thorn shale]

dont worry guys, rn WG isnt working cos its weekend, but on Monday they will fix it. I hope

edit: @thorn shale they will fix it cos if not whole EU community will get slightly mad

[flat goblet]

Lol that’s actually big brain. Nice one WG.

[thorn shale]

@thorn shale and if they don't fix it what do we do xd edit : and if they don't care xd

[modest whale]

if you can't beat em join em

[steel shell]

i doubt krns meant to do this and its obviously an exploit therefore wg have to fix this and remove krns cups from silver tournament

[burnt glacier]

@steel shell ye it the most logic to count from best tour, not result
But who can catch WG's logic in tournament making...

[flat goblet]

If WG doesn’t fix, then everyone will want to have a second team. Somehow, I don’t think WG is fixing this bug.

Actually, I can see how they can fix it. If they claim they can’t, idk what they can do.

[jade hornet]

if they will count u can delete the compscene of wotb

[burnt glacier]

I mean there is no rule about accident when team playing in both defferent tourns (and which result counting) , am I?
So it will be interesting how WG will decide to do

[limber lintel]

I also don't claim KRK-S did this in order to exploit, think they were just trying to have a net to catch them if gold backfired, maybe they could get a lot more from silver, which shouldn't even be a thing tbh, but it is,

I don't see malicious intent, I do however see that WG failed to properly adress this issue which was mentioned in this very chat, at least they could have told us beforehand if the cups will be deducted afterward or not

[steel shell]

yeah this together with the fact some players havent been getting room invites xD i wonder how wg manage to screw up every single season
But i truly believe wg will fix it

[inland loom]

We wasnt know that silver and gold will be both counted we was thinking that only the best performance enter the gold and the silver would count

[burnt glacier]

@steel shell every season is like CHALLENGE for WG)Allow stupud situation and work on it during season
@inland loom still trash if they will count best result between 2 different tournaments
In silver tournament there are teams from TOP-32 mostly
In Gold TOP-8, TOP-16
Unfair situation at all

[steel shell]

amount cups in silver tournament is much lower but youre probably right, clan should get only cups from "higher" tournament no matter what happens

[limber lintel]

we know thruster and I want you to know nobody here claims you did this as a way of exploiting, if I'm allowed to speak for everyone that is, ❤️

[inland loom]

Yeah i know personnally i find this total sh it to win bcs u have 2 teams and i wouldnt like to be top 8 like this and i hope wg will fix that

[loud shell]

Yes

[thorn shale]

@muted ore Hi. Can you consider making prof like spring? Double elimination pls.

Imagine you are playing bronze/silver/gold for 1 month and on prof you lose 1st game and you are already out…

So you qualified for prof playing one month just to play one game in it… prof experience would be very bad…

Please consider about going back to winter/spring season prof format…

Thanks

[stone pulsar]

................

[daring swan]

I knew this issue would happen. I’m the one who talked about it originally but got no response

[thorn shale]

Thanks 🙏 respects for u man

[dusk agate]

🍿

[burnt glacier]

@daring swan than u r the most wisdom player on this server

[maiden anvil]

lol @elder coral

[proud holly]

Oh that’s actually stupid.

[elder coral]

Bruhg

[proud holly]

@muted ore any comments/updates for this?

[thorn shale]

its weekend, they are on free day. They will answer on Monday

[vagrant thicket]

^^^

[green orchid]

im not surprised, WG always find a way to have their tournament system exploitable each season. A simple fix would be to only count the best cups result from the two respective teams participating in either silver or gold from one clan instead of merging the cups from both tournaments towards their final tally.

[jade hornet]

if this will be counted, every team that can‘t get a 2nd team that is active has an autolost for the season

[crisp shore]

I hope WG is going to fix that. I can't see them not doing it because it is a lot worse on the CIS server. Think about 7STAR and GGAME

[green orchid]

It should be best cups result only, if finishing 1st place in silver tourney gives a team more cups than the other team from the same clan that finished let’s say last place in the gold tourney, then the results of only the silver team’s cups should count.

[modest whale]

<@&481447501690568709> hmmm

[fast hare]

CipiESB#3136 was banned

[fast hare]

Maddox#0438 was muted

[sinful crest]

I agree with ShokkoShy from the EG- clan. Justice for all clans with only 1 team.

[odd wolf]

nice, str8 just jumped to first on na, went from like 10th place to first. nice system!

[ancient shard]

💪 💪 💪

[narrow meteor]

poggers

[gilded marsh]

STR8 should NOT be in 1st place right now. They got cups combined from the gold and silver tourneys. @muted ore is there going to be any fix for this or will this be another exploit used by teams to get a free spot in top 8.

[dapper vigil]

???????

[austere spruce]

^^^^^ will this be another problem we will have to deal with

[modest whale]

wg should make it so that you can only participate in either gold or silver not both

[ancient shard]

or it only counts the team that earned the most cups

[narrow meteor]

damn DMG missing out this season

[south wharf]

Okay like how is this even allowed

[thorn shale]

@muted ore This is a big Issue Because a Top 32 Team shouldn’t Be in 1st Place

[dapper vigil]

@ancient shard it’s hard doing that if they’re gonna count cups from the first day since silver top 1 is less than gold bottom… it should be limited to only one per clan.. either silver or gold, not one in silver one in gold

[sinful crest]

@dapper vigil I agree with your statement, also nice pfp!

[modest whale]

I just said that :(

[obtuse hound]

@muted ore PRAMO hasn’t lost a single Series in the Ascents and yet they’re in 2nd.

[proud holly]

Dude why is this that even a thing

[dapper vigil]

@modest whale I know, but I was explaining it to panzer

@sinful crest it was my favorite moment you guys posted

[thorn shale]

Hope wg fix that soon 👻 👻

😔

[elder coral]

you see, they shouldve thrown some of the bronze series games so that they could obtain a silver ticket instead of 3 gold tickets. clearly they are unskillful and str8 is just the better team atm

[thorn shale]

@muted ore You have Top 8 teams Like -SLG, 4PX, HATED, GG-, JKR, PRAMO, Playing their Hardest and winning, Look at their CP, all of em are 70%+ Winrate in these tournies. Yet not even a Middle Echelon Level team can get 1st place with 2 teams that both average High 50% WR CP

[sinful crest]

Lowkey I think WG will respond with sorry we can’t do anything about this

[modest whale]

"Hi. This was intended. The rule about the best result only applies to if two teams are in the same tournament. Since they had two teams in two different series, both results are counted."

[grim vine]

what do you mean, there is no issue. str8 have grinded very hard and deserve their spot in top 1.

[thorn shale]

Parkour

[dapper vigil]

This

@sinful crest I wouldn’t put it past wg to do that too

[ivory frost]

People hating on str8 just to hate on str8, clearly they’re a superior team

[dense imp]

/tp top1

[harsh ember]

Rip dmg

[narrow meteor]

ong

[gilded marsh]

Dark_Magician_GirI is really missing out on STR8 getting 1st 😔😔😔

[sly axle]

WG never fails to amaze 🤣

[thick elk]

there is always some sort of glitch or abuse thing every season lol so idk why people are surprised at the newest version

[novel yoke]

WG are probably asleep rn. What time is it in Minsk 👀

[vagrant phoenix]

@thick elk we are happy for str8 u c

[analog osprey]

Slg top1 na pin this

[elder coral]

at least in previous seasons the glitches were only about seeding and not directly linked to the maximum number of cups you can earn

[thorn shale]

Remove One of Str8 teams Cups. They get their Holes resized by low Top 16 teams and yet they’re in first? 🤨

[proper kraken]

LMFAO

[potent magnet]

Bruh fr

[thick elk]

oh i c, you want them #1

[analog osprey]

Ofc they will fix. 7star and ggame aren’t in top8 on cis xddd

[thorn shale]

This is a serious Issue. STR8 in top 8 is the equivalent of a 80 pound Woman Fighting in a Male Heavyweight UFC Championship

[austere spruce]

Dmg returns to get another top 8

[proper kraken]

real brave of you to comment this

[fresh lance]

That's because Kraken and STR8 are worthfully taking over the other teams!

[green orchid]

so the mald session begins, wait til Monday, us EU boys have already covered this topic

[potent magnet]

Nah bro this entire time DMG was just holding back str8s true potential fr fr

[elder coral]

ngl this might be a genius ploy by WG to allow the #8 seed to beat the #1 for once in the history of blitz comp. : )

[thick elk]

lol what, I just said its not a suprise there is another thing like this

[proud holly]

I like turtles

[sinful crest]

I agree with your statement

[obtuse hound]

I Do agree With the statement That there are many teams in the top 16 bracket That are better than Str8, but nows the time to be Asking WG for a definitive answer on how they’re gonna fix this Cup Bug rather than flaming a clan

[elder coral]

It seems like it should just be that a clan should only get the higher amount of cups earned by a team on a given day. It seems simple, but I guarantee you that there is going to be some way that WG messes it up if they try. My best guess is that they aren’t going to fix it and they’re gonna say “you gotta deal with it. Now have fun”

[thorn shale]

Wait what

[orchid spear]

The cups thing is stupid but people saying str8 doesnt deserve even being in the top 8 in cups rn is bs, str8 was already in 7th before tonights silver and gold series. And its also not str8's fault. We have been running two teams since the end of last season this wasnt a planned plot by str8. Im not saying str8 should be in 1st, ofc not, wargaming needs to fix this, but people should not be hating on str8 for this, we didnt know this would happen when we chose to run two teams this season.

[fast hare]

Le Doge#0666 has been warned.

[sinful crest]

@gritty wasp hey be nice to tj he’s a good person and mentor to young blitz players.

[narrow meteor]

@thorn shale The Doge is too allusive

[thorn shale]

@narrow meteor had some technical difficulties 💀

[proud holly]

Is anyone else annoyed by how some teams who signed up for the gold series tournaments got a free bye into Day 2.
Like bruh, i thought these qualifier tournies were to test skill, not some type of spin the wheel 💀

[flat goblet]

It’s ok because it’s random

[elder coral]

that almost makes it worse

[fast hare]

Cracked out Canadian#8069 was banned

[sinful crest]

Random seeding is memes lol all the top4 seeded teams are in one bracket for NA😂

[burnt glacier]

@sinful crestchill
WG still didn't confirm that both results counting from silver and gold tourn is bug
In support they told it's ok

[sinful crest]

Lmao

[fast hare]

Marquis Wulfstein#9811 was muted

[thorn shale]

hes not complaining about cup bug xd

[burnt glacier]

I mean
Counting both results is more bs than random seeding
Like it's not CW tournament
It's about teams

[ember marlin]

It's more like str8 has done well enough in ALL the tournaments up to this point while teams like pncr skipped the first tourney, and are now behind as a result
Yes both silver and gold shouldnt count, but that doesnt mean str8 hasn't been doing well up to this point

[cobalt pebble]

💩 cup system

[spark pumice]

#girlboss

[primal talon]

This season is gonna be a meme,its even worse than the Sendung before,why make it Single Elimination in the Challenger/Champion tournament?

[thorn shale]

I'm pretty sure she got pro avatar

[elder coral]

They quite simply haven’t though. In the gold tournament that’s just been played, they currently have a 14% wr. That means that they were lucky enough to get a bye round 1 and then they lost 1-3 in the semifinals and lost 0-3 in the 3rd place match. That is not doing well enough to deserve the first spot. The worst part is when you look at the overall season wr and see that STR8 is over 20% lower wr overall in that regard. They are around 7-8th place if you base it on that. They have won 62.7% of their games this season where pramo, 2nd place currently, has won 88.7% of their games and jkr, 3rd place currently, has won 87.3%. Pramo hasn’t lost a single tournament and should, theoretically, have the maximum number of cups at this point and are behind rn. STR8 has not earned #1 with their performances so far.

[proven birch]

No one has said we have earned #1

[ember marlin]

They still are sitting as a top 8 team even without both teams
No they arent better than the best na teams but they have played like a top 8 team up to this point
Also I'm referring to the fact that they didnt skip a tourney like a lot of other teams did, meaning that they have gained more cups as a result

[proven birch]

Yea our team didn’t even know that they would count the cups like this until yesterday. We were ready for them to take the best result. So stop complaining about our team and face your anger towards wargaming.

[ember marlin]

^exactly this is wg issue not str8
Multiple other teams have gained from this on other servers as well so it's not just str8

[fresh lance]

Yes but now there's a war between clans with two teams and clans getting a second team just to raise cups on one side and single team clans that feel like they're being robbed on the other

[red vapor]

@proven birch You are beautiful.

[merry blade]

It’s kinda like 2017-2018 all over again

[thorn shale]

All these teams circled Would Mop Str8. They’re sitting as a Top 8 right now. But if it weren’t for that BA cup system, any of these teams would mop them. Just check bronze series #3 they had no competition in their bracket

[thick elk]

This guy really hates str8 lmao

[thorn shale]

I have noticed

[chilly hemlock]

Tournaments have always been about which games you win. Not necessarily how many. Those are the breaks with the double elimination and 2 day formats

[proud holly]

Ey my clan got circled!

[proven birch]

Idk why he doesn’t like us so much since like none of us even know who he is. Maybe he got “moped” by one of our members in pubs who knows 👀

[merry blade]

Imagine pubs

[fallow turret]

I think str8 could beat str8 for that top spot

[open zealot]

The tournaments channel never fails to entertain 🍿

[orchid edge]

agreed

[dapper vigil]

@proven birch maybe he didn’t like dmg and still associates dmg with str8 even though dmg is gone… who knows honestly

[ember marlin]

Welp glad the mods stuck to their rules here
I cant really respond to his post without making negative comments toward other clans so yeah

[rocky crystal]

Mine didnt :/ . If WG does nothing about it then many other clans will "merge" teams to chase top 8 but obv one team needs gold tick and other need silver.

[harsh ember]

its ok hated got circled you don't have to feel left out

[proud holly]

Woah that doesn’t sound nice :((

[thorn shale]

why are you complaining about random seeding?! Is actually working pretty good.

[austere spruce]

random seeding is bad, look at how juno are getting more cup than gg

[thorn shale]

look how some usual top 8 clans are struggling to get top 16.

[proud holly]

look how some top 16 teams are catapulting to top 8 because of a lucky bye in Gold Series

while getting 3-0’d by every team they DO face in gold

[chilly hemlock]

I think we all can admit, the bar is beyond low for a seeding system…

Random seeding is as primitive as it could possibly get

[vital obsidian]

WG has promised a op seeding system for Autumn main season, so be patient

[chilly hemlock]

But at least it’s not “riggable”

[chilly hemlock]

Hah

[thorn shale]

so... you guys prefer to have all the usual teams on top 8 that get that spots because they have advantage on seeding?
WR seeding is a total BS.

[austere spruce]

your just saying that a team that is worse deserves to have an advantage in placemetn

[rocky crystal]

^^

@thorn shale some top 8 teams on NA “was” struggling for 16 because majority of them missed a day

[chilly hemlock]

People prefer the best teams earn their spots in top 8 and it’s not left to random seeding to see who lives and dies

[proud holly]

^^I prefer that top 8 spots aren’t rewarded to teams who got lucky with “bye” placements.

It shouldn’t be hard for WG to lessen the reward cups for the teams that LOSE despite getting a BYE placement.

[chilly hemlock]

Lucky seeding is a poor reason to make top 8

[elder coral]

I know that I would want my accomplishments, no matter how much I know I earned them, to not be stained with unfairness and for people to be able to say it was all due to lucky random seeding.

[thorn shale]

but if a supposed best team can't even win enough games vs "bot" teams, why should they be top 8 or having advantage in seeding?
The season is not over yet! Time will adjust things!

Look at European Football championship! Portugal, France and Germany all in the same group.
If any of those teams were actually good to get top 4, they would be there, at least 2 of them. They lost on the way with "supposedly" worst teams.

A top 8 team is always a top 8 team. Being random or not. Just play, and win.

There are several rounds to fix the leaderboard.

[burnt glacier]

@chilly hemlockfirst of all WG have to fix points of teams who got scores from Gold and Silver tourns which is totally unfair

[chilly hemlock]

That’s absolutely not true. The 3rd best team theoretically could keep meeting the 1st or 2nd best team at the wrong time on day 1 and get knocked out every time

That’s not their fault at all

[chilly hemlock]

Not surprising though

[chilly hemlock]

Sure. In theory everything evens out. But it’s just that. A theory. In practice, some teams get luckier than others. That’s not an ideal system for comp

[thorn shale]

WR seeding is clearly not the system at all! Always protecting the same clans.

[chilly hemlock]

Well. That wasn’t what the problem was

[elder coral]

That’s exactly the issue. If a top 8 team is constantly having to play another top 8 team where a top 16 team gets a free bye, the top 16 team will get more rewards. This system is so obviously flawed that a whole science of how to accurately seed teams was made to fix the problem

[chilly hemlock]

The issue was the 100% accounts that people used to rig the teams win rate

So gg for not understanding that

[proud holly]

Randomized seeding shouldn’t be the solution if teams that lose on every bye round still get rewarded an astronomical number of cups.

For some teams,
It’s literally a free day 2, even though some of them won’t win a single match.

[chilly hemlock]

Correct

If they want to use win rate, it should be weighted by battle count for the top 7 players and in the tier of that tournament

Aka your tier 3 battles don’t count towards your win rate in a tier 10 tournament

Because. You know. They shouldn’t in the first place

[red vapor]

@chilly hemlock I agree.

[thorn shale]

actually its was!!

Why I have to wait 5 minutes and you zero?!
Ah... you are protected here also?!

Now we have the "top clans" crying because they don't have advantage on seeding?!? LMAO

I'll repeat:
GErmany, Portugal and France had to fight right from day 1... makes part of the game No protected teams.
if you are good, show it on the pitch.

[proud holly]

It’s also annoying how the “lucky golds” will still earn more than the absolute best performers in the silver series.

No offense intended towards the teams of NA but You can’t convince me that teams like JUN0 actually earned their free 9k cups while current silver clans like PNCR and HATED will get at most like 8k

[elder coral]

The issue is that people will get rewards they didn’t earn for being top 8 too

[chilly hemlock]

Weighted win rate existed for years and was fine. It wasn’t until wg made the 3000 iq play of using unweighted win rates, then there’s was an issue. Please educate yourself before you type

[chilly hemlock]

When did I ever say anything on that subject?

[chilly hemlock]

I feel like top 16 clans would tbh. They all understand what it takes to win and what real competition is

All anyone wants is a fair playing field

Random isn’t fair

[glass thunder]

Some teams with only luck get 9k free points in gold tournament for just getting free spot to semifinal

[chilly hemlock]

Not is wr boosting

[rocky crystal]

Same thing goes w SRG, they got a bye in Silver so they ended up in SemiFinals to get 4th and that allowed them to play Final Stage. They gonna have a huge leap over other teams that got eliminated in Silver even if those guys are much much better than SRG

[chilly hemlock]

I think all servers are running into the same issue. Not just na btw

[sinful crest]

Mostly RU, but yeah every server is dealing with the two team scam

[chilly hemlock]

People take advantage of every tournament season one way or another. Multiple teams, multiple clans, win rate boosting etc

[thorn shale]

you want fair? Do it on clan points, not players points/WR players score.
Do it like any sport: the teams or countries win points, not the players.
Means = every win gives points to the clan, not the the players.
Seeding based on clan points, not players points.

[daring swan]

Why can’t wg just make one season with no issues

[chilly hemlock]

I think it’s important to remember for the clans that only have one team, it’s not their fault if they happen to get lucky. They can’t control that at all. So if they keep getting easy brackets or byes, it’s wg. Not that clan. Hate the game, not the player

[chilly hemlock]

“Clan points” and “player points” don’t exist. Do you even play tournaments?

[burnt glacier]

@chilly hemlockI think players hate game)
But in case WG has weekend, people want to put them nervous just on someone)
Just scroll up
Mosly people tagging WG's stuff

[cobalt yarrow]

The 10 first place winners will be placed in the first bag, the two best groups will be placed in the second bag. The runners-up of the two groups with the lowest scores will form the 4th and last bag together with the 4 teams from the UEFA Nations League play-offs.
That s not random

[chilly hemlock]

Thanks fellow Verstappen fan

[thorn shale]

dude... I'm talking about of a different method!!
I'm talking about of implementing a new system based on clan points!

@burnt glacier actually your clan is one of the is getting lucky with seeding 😄 😄
But after get the first good clans... you lost all games!!
The system is fixing your position.

[chilly hemlock]

What happens to clan points when members leave and join? If they run two teams do they both have the same points? Did you even consider that?

[fast hare]

codependent#2451 was muted

[burnt glacier]

@thorn shalelol did I argue with our luck? Or did we speak about my clan? How is to connect to my messages?

[modest whale]

There isn't wr seeding this season but ok

[cobalt yarrow]

Fun will begin tomorrow if wg says we can't do anything for past tournament cups😂

[obtuse hound]

I think an ethically decent solution for now is the clans that have multiple teams running should have their best team running right now and not the others to make the playing field for everyone fair. But I’m not in the position to order that it’s it’s all down to their choice. Otherwise most other top 8 teams will just Pull in randoms to fill in for another team

[thorn shale]

the same as happens to all teams or countries (in football world), the points belong to the clan, not the the players.
If its a team competition, the team must own the points, not the players.

Because all these changes of players season to season, all this non-sense seeding based on players WR is what is destroying the seasons.

@modest whale no its not. But most of people are complaining because is random and not WR based.

[chilly hemlock]

A team can consist of 70%ers one season and 30% the next. That’s fair?

[proud holly]

No we’re complaining about the unreasonable rewards for lucky placements caused by random seeding. Literally no one here thought the old wr system was good either.

[burnt glacier]

@chilly hemlockTry to check how UEFA rating is working.
I think he is talking about such system
In this case your question is not correct.

[thorn shale]

that's sound a clan problem for not securing players.
IF a clan is good, I believe wont have problems to keep good players in.
Like any sport team!!

@proud holly
This is not only 1 round tournament.
No one has lucky all the time.

Even so, if a clan is that good, it will get top 2 in an hard group.

[modest whale]

More people complained about the wr seeding than this seeding

[chilly hemlock]

Clearly you don’t follow top 8 teams at all. New clans rise and fall every year if not every season

Especially in eu. Which is your server. Lol

[obtuse hound]

This is a video game, not a soccer league, you’re acting as if players don’t retire and move on to do real life things or Going to another clan because of a clan merge.

[thorn shale]

not in Europe. They are basically the same, or new clans but with the same usual players that moved from one clan to make a new ones. 🙂

[tepid trout]

That still literally changes nothing lmao

[chilly hemlock]

Exactly lol. Also. No one is getting paid like professional football/soccer players sadly

[arctic axle]

I am finding this persons attempt to argue his suggestion very laughable

[grave willow]

I think the clear solution is to turn blitz into a soccer league

[chilly hemlock]

Yes. This. World of Soccer Tanks Blitz

1 td goalie
2 heavy defenders
3 medium mid fielders
1 light striker

@cobalt yarrow training room ru racing is so fun

[thorn shale]

so... in soccer players don't retire or don't change teams?! WTF LOL

I'm not saying to apply exactly the same system, but clearly the WR is BS that only protects the same clans/players... the ones that are crying now.

[cobalt yarrow]

May i ask what is your clan?
@chilly hemlock why soccer i want f1
Yes we should decide grups saturday then play sunday, more effective then this guy idea for sure

[limber lintel]

People move too much in this game, reason some clans are so dominant is because they stuck together for a long time, clan hopper teams struggle with that more than anything, they underestimate the power of playing together a long time and forming chemistry

[obtuse hound]

Oh my god, you’re being illogical here considering the process soccer players go to switch teams.
This is a MOBILE video game that changes every season of the Year.

[glass thunder]

Its super simple hoz to fix it remove trash round robine from bronze and put it in gold

[ancient shard]

Pros group stage single elim less goo 💪💪💪

[thorn shale]

Not playing anymore at competitive level. Tired of BS.

btw! F1? Ok... you don't get pole position without win it on the track like anyone else. You don't get pole position by WR seeding. 😉

[flat goblet]

It seems byes are the issue. Is it not round robin for gold tourney?

[limber lintel]

It isnt and its stupid lul, especially with the free final stage passes

[tepid trout]

That would solve most of the issues but no, it isnt

[chilly hemlock]

Clearly you’re out of practice with what goes on in tournaments

You haven’t been watching f1 this season then

[vital obsidian]

2 issues: byee and double cups gold/silver

[thorn shale]

I stop watching F1 when the car becomes to win the races and not the pilot.

[chilly hemlock]

So 1994? Also you’re off topic here

I think you’ve given wg enough “suggestions” for one day

[cobalt yarrow]

Lets goo ITALYYYY won

[chilly hemlock]

Also off topic lol

[thorn shale]

yes... after Senna died. 🙂

LOL!!
you are funny

[chilly hemlock]

There’s nothing funny about his death…. Again you are off topic. Last warning

[burnt glacier]

Young english players be like... Bruhhh

[chilly hemlock]

Guys this is for blitz tournaments and sadly not euro cup

I know it’s exciting but #off-topic-discussion

[thorn shale]

when a Moderator warn members and do the same or worst!!
LMAO!!!

I said you are funny because of your idiotic sentence that I did enough "suggestions" for today...
Maybe you should have 5 minute delay also...

Imagine a clan member being moderator at WG discord server... sad...
GG WG!! You are doing great. Only WG can do it.

[tepid trout]

Ur arguments give me terminal brain damage

[elder coral]

There are plenty or moderators who also are in clans (I’d almost go so far as to say they all are). It would be silly to assume that they wouldn’t considering they probably all play the game and clans give some nice rewards

[chilly hemlock]

Yeah pretty much

[chilly hemlock]

You were warned for being off topic. Rather politely as well

You’re very angry for someone who is “retired” from comp.

Also mods don’t have cool downs because why would we?😂

[proud holly]

can’t find anything to use? Just be petty!

[chilly hemlock]

Blitz logic 101

[limber lintel]

Why we have always one person here going on an illogical rant, 😔

[fresh lance]

I'm actually impressed on how people throw so much rage at how top "16 clans" (to use their words) are getting more cups than other teams. Bro it was a gamble and several teams that had the option to go for gold went for silver. The ones that risked it at gold were forced to risk it to get into the top 8. The" top 8" teams that decided to play silver having also the chance of playing gold took their gamble and it didn't go well for some. But it's logical to expect a team in gold league to get more cups than the ones in silver, especially when 8 teams in gold can go to final stage. Accept the reality as it is. Yes they might have been lucky getting final stage in gold but they risked it and it payed off instead of trying to play "safe" in the silver league and instantly giving 8 teams whoever they are more cups for free.

[potent field]

Instead of complaining about JUN0 participating in Gold league and taking the risk of losing cups for getting knocked out first do the same thing cause it sounds like a personal problem for your clan doing silver league

[proud holly]

I apologize for wanting to earn my cups instead of just hoping to get lucky with a gamble in seeding.

[fresh lance]

Well.. you gave 8 other teams more cups than to yourselves just by playing silver lol regardless of who those 8 teams are

[potent field]

Congratulations on earning less cups don't try to use us as an example for you not gambling

[proud holly]

I’m not even blaming you, I’m blaming the fact that WG decided that “lucky seeding” should be rewarded in such a huge amount even when you don’t win a single match.

[potent field]

So blame WG then just don't put JUN0 in your mouth cause we have nothing to do with WG and it's not our fault we took advantage of the "lucky seeding" and hated didn't

[limber lintel]

It isnt about the lucky seeding in gold being rewarded, its about the teams in silver getting more than people that got bad seeding, which makes 0 sense

[ember hare]

blitz server never disappoints

[proud holly]

I’m putting JUN0 in my mouth because your team is (so far) the only example that showcases the faults of WG’s system.

All Jun0 did was gamble. They ended up getting lucky, while other teams who gambled, didn’t. And as far as ik, I don’t think JUN0 won any of their games either.

If any other clan did the same thing, I would name them too. Because that would showcase how this system doesn’t actually show off skill in a proper format.

Soccer is fun!

[chilly hemlock]

Again. Hate the game not the player

[potent field]

Like I said before congrats on earning less cups because you didn't wanna gamble and took the easy route with silver like raik said hate the game not the player and this game is a mixture of luck and skill so guess you gotta take both into consideration

[proud holly]

I literally said, from my FIRST statement that JUN0 was just an example.

What part of that do you not understand.

[ember marlin]

Gotta say this season has had the most turnover in terms of top 8 teams that we have seen in a long time
So many new faces

[chilly hemlock]

Let’s just relax here. Everyone just be mad at the seeding system

[fresh lance]

Jun0 is like 3 weeks old anyway and most of us haven't done a season in like a year or more lol

[chilly hemlock]

@potent field @proud holly drop it. Now

[proud holly]

This system still dookie

[chilly hemlock]

I think there’s a lot of people frustrated with the system. Certainly plenty of teams are caught out by it. Other teams are far more fortunate

Again, stop yelling at each other and remember what has caused the discrepancy

[elder coral]

#MakeGoldAndSilverARoundRobin

[proud holly]

i liked the round robins tbh

[narrow meteor]

Cmon guys let’s all be friends

[orchid spear]

Friends with benefits?

[rocky crystal]

Are you my friend?

[modest whale]

No cuz I don't have any

[thorn shale]

can we be more than friends xipot? 😳 👉 👈

[narrow meteor]

Yes

[proud holly]

Spart u missed the point

[elder coral]

yeah, we certainly dont like wr seeding. just because someone hates the random seeding doesnt mean they want wr seeding back.

[sly axle]

Kinda weird how they made the Bronze tournaments round robin but not the more important silver and gold ones…

[daring swan]

@proud holly when Juno just proved themselves

[proud holly]

props to them 👍

Honestly, why not just have 6-8 round robins like this. I like this format tbh.

[elder coral]

ngl just a bunch of round robins is, at the very least, not a bad idea

[potent field]

Appreciate it :) at the end vs purple mistakes were made lol

[fresh lance]

:pepolove:

Yes we munked out with purple at the end

[modest whale]

Or you could exclude accounts with less than a certain # of battles/with 100% wr when doing wr seeding

[harsh thistle]

It's even easier than that.
Instead of using the wrong numbers. Take each amount of wins for each player, adding them up and the same for total battles. This is weighted so total battles count. Making 1 win 100% accounts total wastes

[elder coral]

its funny because the wr listed for a team's wr in game does exactly that, but the wr used for seeding doesnt do it

[harsh thistle]

Exactly. Would've solved the whole 100% account spam from the previous 3 seasons

[modest whale]

😤

[proud holly]

When the players are better at offering solutions than the actual dev team

[sly axle]

this is nothing new

[proud holly]

Speaking of which, according to the forums, both the upper and middle day 1 championships (the group stage) are going to be under a single elimination format. This implies that 4 total teams (from the 2 groups) will be automatically eliminated.
So I'm curious on how is WG going to determine which of the eliminated teams get the 3rd/4th place prizes of the group stage.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466971361449869312/864018221907443712/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466971361449869312/864018498703327262/unknown.png?width=668&height=676

[daring swan]

@proud holly they most likely play for 3rd and 4th in the final round

[proud holly]

They're really gonna make the losers fight another Bo9 for an additional 300k credits. ..

[vital obsidian]

Wonder when we get to know, if double cups are intentional or not 🙄

[tepid trout]

probably somewhere today

[thorn shale]

Or maybe not xd

[frosty nexus]

@here
Dear players,

We paid our attention on the situation which was happening during Silver series tournaments and affected the leaderboard positions gained by clans. Clans with several teams were participating in both Silver and Gold tournaments to win additional cups and advance their clans upper than others (with only one team).

Despite that we always allow all the teams to participate, we can't ignore the negative perception of that situation in the community.

By this, we decided to implement the following solution for the future qualifying tournaments of the season:

• The upcoming Silver series tournaments are cancelled
• TOP-4 teams from Bronze series will advance to Gold series
• Only 2 teams from the clan are allowed to participate in the Gold series tournaments
• The amount of cups for the final stage of Gold series tournament is increased

Please pay you attention on the situation in the leaderboard,

The cups from Silver series were removed from clans (because Silver series tournaments are cancelled in the season). At the nearest time we will accrue compensation with 1 day of premium account for those teams which have been participating in Silver series on July 10-11th.

Changes are implemented since this week.

[muted ore]

Registration for Bronze Series Tournament #4 has been extended by 2 hours

[chilly hemlock]

Better late than never I guess. It’s still surprising that things like this happen given we’ve had tournaments since 2016 or 2017

[unique shard]

Good decision, fantastic, I'm glad I lost 8.3k of cups
In return, I got one day of a premium account

[glad sphinx]

Really glad we lost almost 9k cups when we didn't do anything 🙃

[night barn]

Where is real position of my team?

[thorn shale]

top50 probably

[south wharf]

So we lost 8k cups because of a faulty system and another team exploiting a loophole. And you wonder why the game is dying. WG never fail to disappoint us.

[tepid trout]

Brackets of bronze for today not being released?

[unique shard]

Well, gentlemen, we got a premium account after one day, so we are to be glad that we got something at all 😉

[chilly hemlock]

Idk why people are surprised. There’s a faulty system that people exploit, literally every season

It’s always, multiple teams, multiple clans, throwing matches or win rate boosting. Literally nothing new

[narrow meteor]

Y’all got premium time shiiiiiii

[steel shell]

yeah i have no idea why there are people complaining about losing cups that they shouldnt have gotten at first place

[chilly hemlock]

Admittedly, they earned them. The issue is WG. Not the clans that earned silver cups

[spark pumice]

wait so is anyone sure when registration closes for na bronze #4? in game says 11est but with the 2 hr delay it should be 1pm right

[sudden pawn]

very impressive, you guys somehow surpassed STR8, who were the indomitable kings of NA comp

[glad sphinx]

No but the teams that haven't played w 2 teams shouldn't have gotten there cups taken away cuz we didn't exploit it

[chilly hemlock]

Pramo rigging

[median mason]

I don't get it. Why it's so hard to implement and test new fair rules. Is it that poorly coded that it's impossible to deal with without starting from the scratch? 😄

[south wharf]

What are you even saying? Please explain to me how we shouldn’t have gotten them in the first place? So we shouldn’t get cups by just having one team participating in the tournament?

[chilly hemlock]

Woah. Let’s take a step back here

WG should never have had silver tournaments. Plain and simple

[unique shard]

Previously, it was counting the points of the team that came the furthest, what happened this season that suddenly it is different?

[crisp shore]

Nobody knew that Wargaming did not do anything to prevent clans from getting cups from both Gold and Silver. I myself also thought Wargaming should have something in place to stop that from happening. It is definitely their fault for this overlooking, and I can't blame clans for something they don't know about in advance. What other things mentioned i.e. throwing matches, win rate boosting, phantom teams etc. -- these are acted consciously: they know they won't be punished so they acted in a way that gives an unfair advantage for them.

As for cups being taken away for Silver series, teams have fought hard under a tight schedule and their effort has gone to waste, while the gap looks insurmountable to a point that participating in Silver series tournament is a mockery. They have valid reasons to complain and I think the decision to retract cups from clans participating in only Silver with one team is unreasonable

[chilly hemlock]

Clans with two teams and the depth to run them, got an advantage because of this. It is not the clans fault. It’s a ridiculous over sight by the tournament creators

[daring swan]

@crisp shore I mentioned it like a week before tournaments starts, but I got no response :/

[chilly hemlock]

Shocker

Tbh the middle ground would have been that the teams who participated in silver tournaments would keep 50% of the cups earned and cancelled all further silver tournaments

[acoustic dagger]

not all clans had two teams, so why remove cups from all the clans that didn't exploit it?

[tepid trout]

Are bronze brackets still gonna be revealed for today?

[modest whale]

or you could've kept silver and only let clans do either gold or silver not both
not anymore apparently

[chilly hemlock]

Years ago WG created rules to only allow one team per clan

But then people just made a second clan to use for their second team

Which in this context would be completely fine

[steel shell]

You shouldnt have gotten cups from 2 different tournaments and if you wanna argue you are stupid man
I completely understand its mistake made by WG but i really dont see argument saying "we had two teams we deserve the cups" winning 😄 howd the competition be if some clans had 2 teams and some didnt?
@unique shard the system is still there, they just didnt optimize it for 2 different tournaments, if you have 2 teams in the same tournament, you receive the higher amount of cups only
@acoustic dagger Yeah i dont know why they removed cups earned from silver tournament for all clans, i thought theyd remove the cups from clans that had team in gold series, just wg things man
EDIT please read last thing i wrote 😄

[chilly hemlock]

Again. Don’t blame the players🤦🏼‍♂️

[vale matrix]

hey guys at least wg tried their best and unfortunately made some mistakes!

[proven birch]

Idk why wargaming couldn’t just do round robin random seeding in a PYS and have the top 4 teams in each group go on to the second day

[south wharf]

And you assumed we ran two teams, we only had one team so I've got every right to complain. Who's stupid now?

[sudden pawn]

why punish single-team clans for playing in silver? -4k cups would still cripple the silver teams?
@steel shell my guy....PNCR had one team that only played in silver

[glass thunder]

its not fair to cancel silver tournament without canceling gold cause those silvers deserve a chance to play in gold for fair play

[chilly hemlock]

I proposed a middle ground solution. The obvious thing was to avoid this fiasco from the start

[unique shard]

@steel shell We had one team, and we play only one team and we were PUNISHED (because otherwise you can't put it) no matter what, but not only us but also other clans

[chilly hemlock]

There’s no part of this that would be fair to everyone at this point

Some clans are bound to get screwed no matter what

[slim blade]

People are complaining about losing cups they earned rightfully. My clan runs a single team and we competed in the Silver tournament last night. We placed high and were #21 on the leaderboards. Now we are #30. Is that our fault for cheating/exploiting a system?

[narrow meteor]

I think if they just counted the highest cup total from clans that ran two teams and just left it like that we would be good

[modest whale]

You formed a second team after people found out that you could get cups from both gold and silver 🥴

[acoustic dagger]

^^^

[crisp shore]

literally the solution that would not have caused all the anger right now 😂

[chilly hemlock]

They had every right to do so in all fairness

[night barn]

bring my cups back

[calm atlas]

Dont blame players blame ventiom

[chilly hemlock]

They should restart the season 😏 bronze and gold only

[glad sphinx]

.

[steel shell]

to everyone whos tagging me, i literally said that i have no idea why they removed earned cups from all clans, i thought theyd remove cups only from clans who ran 2 teams, i should have written it better

[glass thunder]

@frosty nexus its super bad idea to cancel silver only and not gold as teams who play only silver play + gold tournament less than others how can the race to top8 be faire like that?

[chilly hemlock]

Look. Everyone is fired up about this. It’s understandable. But we can be civil about things here

[cobalt pebble]

Honestly I feel like only gold series should exist. Silver series is dumb

[chilly hemlock]

100%

[unique shard]

I wasted two days and it's still a weekend to gain nothing, and I could go to a party, for example
I think others could also plan these two days differently

[crisp shore]

I disagree actually. I think Bronze/Silver/Gold is a good structure. They reduce the disparity in skill level between teams participating in Silver/Gold so they can improve one another mutually better. The main problem is the allocation of cups and the tournament format within Silver/Gold

[chilly hemlock]

Then only one team per clan

[slim blade]

yeah lmao why are the silver teams punished but the clans who ran 2 gold teams are allowed to farm more cups than the clans who ran 2 silver teams?

[chilly hemlock]

There’s no perfect solution. It’s a full on mess

[bitter grotto]

Geez I'm glad I don't play competitively in tournaments with this going down

[modest whale]

Why don't you like silver, imo it's great
It allows teams to go against other teams of the same skill level, and allows top teams to go against each other in gold

[south wharf]

Then to make it clear, we ran one team, and had some bad luck with brackets so only participated in a silver tournament so far, which we did well in. So please don't just make false assumptions and then call me stupid. My team and many other teams who are in similar situations have every right to complain.

[steel shell]

I think the system with Gold and Silver series isnt bad but i dont understand how wg implemented this system with this kind of exploit being in it and i dont understand "the fix" theyve done
@south wharf yeah sorry for that, my bad

[chilly hemlock]

@south wharf @steel shell thank you two for the maturity

[vale matrix]

its good to see the chat has calmed down and became more civil

[cobalt yarrow]

Then wg have to make sure silver tournament teams can only play challenger

[sudden pawn]

With random seeding, teams in gold can get lucky and win more cups than a team that won silver, despite performing significantly worse

[chilly hemlock]

Individuals and clans aren’t the ones to blame here

Lazy seeding system, bad tournament loop hole and and even worse decision mid season. It’s all WG

[crisp shore]

I like Bronze/Silver/Gold structure a lot more than the PYS, particularly for the small servers (big servers I do think PYS may suit them more). Win rate seeding hardly ranks team accurately, so a system that gives more matches to the teams that might suffer from the seeding unfairly results in a more accurate representation of the top 8 or 9th-16th. In this case, I'm glad to see -SLG, _EA_, -ECG- etc. benefiting from this new format

[slim blade]

The system they have rn is good. Apart from this exploit where clans can farm cups w/ multiple teams. A quick fix is to make clans only be able to register 1 team per bronze/silver/gold. For now it would be best to wind back 3 days and do the silver tournament again.

[modest whale]

isn't that a problem with gold series not silver series

@chilly hemlock you meant gold not bronze?

[steel shell]

I think that this exploit killed this system because otherwise i think the system wasnt bad

[chilly hemlock]

It’s a problem with both for cup distribution

Winning silver should be less cups than last place in bronze albeit, not by a large margin

[night barn]

i dont think so

[chilly hemlock]

Think of Gold as an A final and Silver as a B final. A final always gives more points for all positions. Even last in A is better than winning B

[glass thunder]

problem is with cups distribution and random seeding more than tournament format
some teams for losing all games got 9k free points in gold
when a1n1 had to face loca in 1/4 and BPS vs 7urks

[chilly hemlock]

The goal is to make it to gold. That is a higher level of tournament and should have higher rewards

[cobalt yarrow]

Exactlyy

[empty phoenix]

Why were all silver cups taken away

[vale matrix]

exploit with cups

[chilly hemlock]

WG is trying to correct a loophole, Max

[south wharf]

The key word is "trying," whether they fix it or not is a completely different story

[chilly hemlock]

Of course

[glad sphinx]

^

[crisp shore]

I get that Wargaming also wants to prevent the situation back in 2020 Spring whereby teams do whatever they can to get the ticket, because the cups are so unreasonable (participation in the ticketed tournament earns you more cups than finishing 1st in your group in the non-ticketed tournament), so they make it in a way that the teams earn fewer cups when knocked out of 1st round than the teams that finished 1st in day 1 and 1st in day 2 of Silver

Also because we don't know much objectively about the ability of the teams (I get a ton of criticisms with my assignment of initial power rating, even when I tried my best to assess the skill level of every single clan) so the Bronze tournament group seeding is always going to result in some groups being a lot more skilled than the other, so I do think there needs to be a middle ground like you can earn slightly more cups when you finish 2nd in day 1 and 2nd in day 2 than getting knocked out of 1st round in Gold to account for the imperfect seeding (no seeding is perfect) in Bronze

[novel bay]

Is this the final solution to the loophole? Completely screwing 60% of teams from any chances now of making back the ground for top 8 when they did nothing wrong to begin with? Or is this like partially fixed type of thing?

Okok gotcha lol.

[chilly hemlock]

It’s a “we made a mistake and hit the panic button trying to fix things some how, here you go”

[vale matrix]

its actually sad that they thought it was a reasonable way to fix their mistakes

[steel shell]

i dont understand why they didnt "patch" the exploit and remove cups from clans which ran 2 teams in 2 different tournaments
@grim shadow id say those 2 are just representatives

[chilly hemlock]

Man I hear you 100%. I think they rushed it to just do something instead of taking the time to figure out a better solution

[grim shadow]

Don’t they only have like 2 people for tournaments?

[chilly hemlock]

It certainly feels that way

[modest whale]

it's probably not just knopka and sirius

[unique shard]

@steel shell Because why do something normally, it's easier to press a button and have everything somewhere, and in return for wasting two days, give you one day of premium account
Logic by WG

[empty phoenix]

I get that Kimi but to me it makes sense for it to only apply to those who were in gold and silver not those who did that AND those who were just in silver

[lavish fractal]

I just have one question... will they find other solution? I guess they will leave it now how it is...

[modest whale]

their new and improved solution is to give 2 days of pa as compensation instead of 1

[proud holly]

Wargaming are you serious, you could’ve just removed the extra cups from the clan that had teams running in both series. Why ruin the effort of all the other clans?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823650435293511730/864148937924804618/image0.png

[south wharf]

nah they gonna give you 5k credits as a compensation for their faulty solution

[bold sierra]

😆

[vale matrix]

its their sadly rushed solution for those who played silver series which basically blacked many teams who didnt exploit

[unique shard]

🙃

[night barn]

we had 13th position with 11k cups lmao

[glass thunder]

this season is a desaster tbh no way close to wr abusing or tickets one
the random system is way worst
i would suggest to save our time and let us enjoy the summer ny picking from now random teams for top 8 , 16 and 24

[proud holly]

Wargaming how come you didn’t just remove some of the cups from the teams that WERE running teams in different series? I’m ok with all the future changes but you can’t tell me that removing all the silver cups from teams is a legitimate remedy.

[viscid tusk]

Screw every team because two teams exploit that’s ridiculous. Potentially just ruined some teams entire season.

[vagrant thicket]

they just don't care about their tournament scene, it's as simple as that. if they did then issues like this wouldn't continue to happen.

on a more serious note i wouldn't worry about teams that only played silver and got their cups removed, i'm sure they know enough to not keep it like that

[chilly hemlock]

Too much time to figure that out and it’s also potentially subjective

[modest whale]

how is finding out which teams ran two teams in silver and gold subjective

[proud holly]

How could it be subjective if WG just removed the “lesser cups” gained from one series while keep the larger amount of cups for another?
Str8 got 5k in Gold, and about 8k in Silver. Why not just remove their 5k cups from Gold?! Why unironically screw over 13 teams that participated in NA just for practically nothing to be rewarded?!

Dude I’m literally just asking for what @crisp shore just suggested. And the fact that WG couldn’t fix this is unbelievably … idek how to describe it

[crisp shore]

simple: remove the cups obtained by the team which got fewer cups

let's hope wargaming's "increase" in gold series tournament is going to be an increase in the gap between rounds

[chilly hemlock]

You could remove cups from a silver team that earned more than their team in gold

[chilly hemlock]

This

[rugged grove]

if (participatesilver == true || participategold == true)
{
double index = silvercups - goldcups
if (index < 1)
{
totalcups = totalcups - silvercups
}
else
{
totalcups = totalcups - goldcups
}
}

wg is the above code really that hard to implement?

[empty phoenix]

Codeslockgamer

[sly axle]

…So instead of just making the tournaments so only the best cup score by a team is counted, WG completely trashes the idea of silver tourneys, rips all cups from teams that participated in silver tourneys, and then compensates with a day of premium acct?

How are we as players supposed to take comp and the placement of teams seriously when things like this are happening?

Well done WG. Well done.

[steel shell]

I disagree with that

[chilly hemlock]

Honestly it’s on wg at this point. Either they keep it as is or try to figure out something better. But my guess is they leave things as is

[rugged grove]

this is easily the worst screwup by wg that i’ve seen in my 6 years on this game.

[empty phoenix]

Nah spare aka stupid parts were worse

[sly axle]

they really weren’t.

[daring swan]

I really hope they don’t screw up twister

[surreal hinge]

Stop predicting things lmao

[proud holly]

Yeah you’re just gonna them a reason to actually “fix” whatever happens in twister too

[silk thistle]

Wow good job WG. You basically made all the DAYS of hard work many clans put in to waste. Do you realize how stupid it is to penalize everyone because ONE clan messed up? The reason why it happened in the first place was because you failed to specify how the system works. Would you expel the entirety of the school just because one student got caught cheating? Do you see how stupid that logic is? Your "attempt" at solving this problem was just ultimately making one clan's problem into everyone else's so everyone has a problem instead of one clan. Not only will your actions anger all the clans that were affected negatively, but the one clan that was the root of this problem will get a lot of hate. Pretty much, the community will be heated for a while. Is that what you really wanted? Rethink your actions please. Stop being stupid

[austere spruce]

Honestly just cancel the whole season

[rugged grove]

call off the season rn and just distribute rewards with the current standings gg ez

[sly axle]

Str8 didnt even mess up… They’ve been running 2 teams since the start. WG messed up.

[surreal hinge]

My question is, are fielding multiple teams still viable in the new format, or are they less effective/ineffective in providing extra cups for a clan?

[south wharf]

^

[proud holly]

I wonder how I can make a mess even worse

[winter swallow]

I initially came here to point and laugh and lament how terrible this seasonal tournament is... but actually I've transitioned from that to genuine pity for WG.

@muted ore - sincerely, do you need help designing the seeding system for Autumn?

[worthy island]

Bruh are they gonna switch the silver ticket that we got last week to a gold ticket then

[harsh ember]

Enjoy

[coarse smelt]

At this point, I wouldn't even mind if the changes were reverted and STR8 was still first place or wherever they were with the combined gold and silver cups. Taking away cups from every team that played silver is just ridiculous.

[gusty saffron]

u now need to buy crates to join tournaments

[south wharf]

Hahahaha I’ll help out as well seems like they really need it

[glad sphinx]

im moving to minsk and going to work as wg employee

[proud holly]

💀

[elder coral]

Pretty much, the only difference I’d suggest in your analogy is that it’s more like 2 particular classes of students receive 2 different tests. Some of the students are somehow able to take both tests and combine the scores that they got. So, the teacher, being a genius, decides to give a 0 to every single student in only one of the classes.

[obtuse hound]

I honestly disagree that removing that Series is only gonna be problematic. The problem with NA server is that the clan _STR8 had two teams that participated in both gold and silver series. You should rather Disclude one of _STR8’s Cups from either gold or Silver instead of removing all the Cups from every clan that participated in Silver

[topaz berry]

Imagine having a good tournament with WG 🩸

[zealous trellis]

I wasted my weekend for 1 day of premium 😂😂😂😂😐

[daring swan]

^^^F @terse perch it’s really every season something is wrong

[terse perch]

why does wargaming keep screwing up summer seasons

first 252u spam, then bronze/silver/gold series

[median heron]

You think if WG put less time into making crates, into actually improving their games things wouldn't be so bad?

[elder coral]

Ngl, if you are going to completely nuke all the cups earned by silver teams, you probably have to do the same for gold. Teams that were at the edge of top 8 that were just 800 cups behind someone that played gold are now set back 8000 cups for something that’s not their fault.

[burnt glacier]

@median heron put out silver cups from teams who got gold cups. That is all. WG didnt answer anywhere why they can't spend some time on it ( at the middle of season not even at the end).

[worthy island]

Like why can’t they just give those clan that got a silver ticket a gold ticket in comprehension cuz now they miss even more chance at cups. Now these team that got bad bracket but stil end 3-4 can stil have a chance to get cups

[tired rampart]

that would be balanced

[ancient shard]

Bruh 1 day of premium as compensation for wg taking my teams silver cups and putting us a whole 8k cups behind top 8

[fresh lance]

Since it only is one tournament now it will only count the best result, yes it can help because it gives more chances of getting good seeding/easier enemies but at the end it will only register the cups from the higher ending team.

[worthy island]

Bro but like.. top 8 now is pretty much set in stone cuz they have like 10k cup advanctage in comparison to those in 10-16. Not only that most team in 10-16 stuck w a silver ticket while the top 8 rn stil have snother gold ticket

[tired rampart]

at least give top 16 4k cups or something for compensation

[obtuse hound]

@muted ore @frosty nexus The only solution the Player base Asked From WG was to Remove the cups of _STR8’s silver/gold series. Not remove every teams cups that participated in Silver making the situation more problematic?. Therefore would that Justify My accusation on WG not listening to their Players? And if you choose to cancel the next upcoming Silver Series, why don’t you just Count the previous silver cups from all the other teams? And just remove _STR8’s Gold series cups

[bold sierra]

I think that 1 day of premium is very good compensation for wasting a couple hours of your weekend 😎

[modest whale]

Sooo what happens to my silver ticket that is now completely useless

[fast hare]

Cy#0500 was muted

[limber lintel]

Fun fact people have offered to help, but they plain ignore it, so dont bother, they clearly manage well on their own, 😂

[fresh lance]

Not really, there's teams that made 11k cups with this one gold tour, after WG increases the amount of cups earned in final stage i can perfectly see some come backs. Pretty tight ones but they can happen

[daring swan]

But if you don’t make the final stage you are screwed which is kinda dumb cause it’s random seeding

[surreal hinge]

So basically, only the main team's cups are counted for the clan, meaning the second team won't contribute to the overall placement of the clan, right?

[leaden crow]

I find it impressive that WG managed to make the small issue into a large issue overnight.

[topaz berry]

Nice trade

[fresh lance]

Yeah, and also one of the two teams won't play the league they get tin at the end since it's only 10 players

[worthy island]

Ya but the disadvantage is huge. Like let’s say the first 2 tourney ur bracket have GG and pramo. Then JKR and PRAMO for example. Then ur gonna obviously be third (considering u could make top 8 but can’t beag the top 4) well now u just lost ur chance on 2 gold series and the silver ticket doesn’t get change for a gold one

[elder coral]

Just based on the history of summer season, I recommend it gets renamed to suffer season instead. It’s more fitting

[narrow meteor]

@worthy island I believe it’s top 4 gets gold tickets now so I mean at least the fixed that

[worthy island]

Ya but what I’m trying to say is.. it’s top 4 for the upcoming. Why can’t they give us a ticket for the top 4 last week, we play 4 nigjt. Use one silver ticket, now what’s the other ticket for? Accumulating dust? Then if we wanna aim for top 8, and we got a silver ticket before, we lost chance at 4k+ cup

[elder coral]

It is a reminder of how this current iteration of suffer season has caused pain.

[proud holly]

I already have players contemplating quitting,
this mistake should never have happened in the first place WG

[worthy island]

Right like now we boura miss out on 8k + cup… THATS A LOT

[elder coral]

Oh I am very aware of how much 8k is. My team was also shafted

[leaden crow]

I wouldn’t ask for that… WG might end up giving every team a gold ticket, not just the teams that got a silver before

[thorn shale]

@here
Dear Players

We DID not pay attention on the situation which was happening during Silver series tournaments and affected the leaderboard positions gained by clans. Clans with several teams were participating in both Silver and Gold tournaments to win additional cups and advance their clans upper than others (with only one team).

Despite that always allow all the teams to participate, we can't ignore the negative perception of that situation in the community, but we Choose to make an even Worse Situation

By this, The player base of NA server decided to implement the following solution for the future qualifying tournaments of the season in which We didn’t follow:

• The Previous Silver series cups are Recounted
• _STR8 should have one of their Teams Cups deducted

We didn’t attention on the situation in the leaderboard, as we didn’t listen to the Community

The cups from Silver series were removed from clans Because we didn’t follow our player bases Wishes. And to compensate a 6 day effort of tournaments, we will accrue compensation with 1 day of premium account for those teams which have been participating in Silver series on July 10-11th.

We apologize for screwing up!

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[terse perch]

in last tournaments it happened like this
one as a player could have up 4 tickets or more accumulated and then after months
they just disappeared
i'm talking about 2018
tickets can be left to dust.

[viscid tusk]

This would be nice considering that this whole time 4 wg employees have been on while this conversation has been going and have said literally nothing

[worthy island]

If they would just give a gold ticket for the next one ss comprehension thatld be nice

[sonic patio]

Bro ikr my team in asia literally disbanded cauz of this ... WG screwed up big time!

[thick elk]

That wouldn’t really do much, wg pretty much screwed any chance at top 8 for the teams that got the silver cups removed. They will either have to get very lucky with current top 8 teams not getting tickets or have to do very well/win in both next gold series

[fallow turret]

This is beyond pathetic

[ancient shard]

I had no expectations for wg but I am still disappointed

[worthy island]

Ya ik but at least it’s better than losing both tourney

[novel yoke]

Idk about you guys. I feel so much better with that 1 day of premium compensation.

[modest whale]

can the people with a silver ticket get a gold ticket cuz silver tickets are now completely useless :/

[elder coral]

Same. I can now make like 10k more credits every battle that I’m not going to be playing today.

[viscid tusk]

What a gift! Something that I can get after 5 days of ad watching! One day of premium! Oh joy! Definitely compensated for a full weekend of planning and hard work not to mention 1/3 of a season of prep and work.

I’m not usually one to complain, but 1 day of premium as compensation for potentially screwing a season for some is ridiculous

[novel yoke]

I honestly would have preferred if they gave zero compensation. They clearly do not realize that it’s been weeks of preparation for teams to participate in these tournaments. This season was already a pain for us with that #1 bronze series with the unusual registration time. Now coming 1st in silver series yesterday means absolutely nothing. That’s just lovely.

[spiral swallow]

you are COMPLETELY wrong. no one knew both tournaments' cups counted, + most teams played ONLY silver tournament and find themselves with no cups at all, dont even try to say its players' fault.
@chilly hemlock Not all clans exploited the loophole, most clans played only silver and went to top 16 to top 32 and now can do nothing.
the clans that exploited the loophole are in a far better position since they at least have their gold cups, but clans with only 1 silver team have literally NO cups

[chilly hemlock]

Clearly you haven’t read anything else I’ve said where it’s on wg for creating the loophole

[elder coral]

I’ll agree that you guys probably got the most shafted this season out of any team. You guys fully earned those cups in silver and are now going to be punished like the rest of the silver teams for literally 0 reason.

[chilly hemlock]

I don’t blame players for using a loophole that wg created

Once again, I’ve said multiple times that this wasn’t actually fixed

They hit the panic button and just did something to do something

There were several different issues to the silver tournaments

[novel yoke]

str8 and other teams didn’t know that the system would be broken. There is no way they could know before hand. Every other time the cups for 2 teams have been separated. It’s not their fault at all.

[viscid tusk]

Agreed

[chilly hemlock]

100%

[void cairn]

They should’ve somehow found a way to only deduct silver from clans who ran 2 teams : P. Idk how you’d do that but it’s weird

[spiral swallow]

It's just unfair and pathetic that teams are kicked out of this season because wg messed up

[chilly hemlock]

Again, people have said that they should have only kept the top result in cups for each team and I think that’s the best possible way to go for this

[austere spruce]

That or just remove all the cups from the gold/silver so everyone is on the same footing

[ancient shard]

^^^

[chilly hemlock]

But the idea shouldn’t be to end/start over

That’s such a waste of everyone’s time

[fallow turret]

Remove everyones cups so everyone gets that one day of premium 😩

[elder coral]

At least it’s fair though. Rather than wasting the time of some and giving an over 8k cups advantage to the other teams

[chilly hemlock]

I said the better alternative above

[viscid tusk]

I believe that is reasonable. I don’t think they went in with malice. Making this a witch hunt is unfair to the teams who played 2 teams.

[spiral swallow]

i heard wg found issues in removing just a few teams' cups so they removed all silver cups

[chilly hemlock]

It’s not just the clans with two teams

Some clans with a single team won more cups in silver than others in gold

That’s ridiculous to begin with

[sly axle]

Theres a difference between abusing a hard to find loophole and a loophole so easy to find you question if it is even a loophole at all

[chilly hemlock]

Should never have been there in the first place. There’s no need for silver tournaments but if you’re going to do them, one team per clan

[elder coral]

The loophole was so easy to find that they accidentally stumbled into it. They didn’t even do it on purpose according to them and I believe it.

[fast hare]

N.Z.#1459 was muted

[novel yoke]

Better yet, they should figure out how to remove cups from ONE team on NA, and cancel the future silver series, or allow only 1 team per clan. Apparently that’s too difficult

[obtuse hound]

8k cups deducted = 1 day premium time 🥴

[cobalt pebble]

I think silver series was kinda messed anyways, on NA a team called -SRG got a bypass and basically free final stage and got lots of cups, even tho they can’t beat any top 16 team (they are 53%) I think only allowing gold season is reasonable

[slim blade]

stonks

[leaden crow]

Gold/Silver formatting in general is wack... why does a single match determine if you make second or not

[south wharf]

Sometimes I wonder what this channel is even for, considering how many times they have screwed up

[fallow turret]

It's for logging and filing the number of screwups

[elder coral]

Fun fact, they only showed up with 6 people when we played them too

[wide basalt]

it's to give the illusion that they care about what you say

[glad sphinx]

.

[crisp shore]

I mean same can happen to Gold. It's the same format after all

[fallow turret]

It did happen in gold. On NA all the top4 contending teams got stuck in the same group and then a whole bunch of top16 teams got the other group

[sudden pawn]

random seeding and single elimination are a terrible combination

[winter swallow]

Also considering all the current problems were pointed out here before they actually happened... yes. I agree. What is the purpose of this channel? We aren't allowed to freely discuss tournament stuff here and WG don't listen to the solutions we give them.

[empty phoenix]

If “our expectations were low but holy fk” was a situation this is it

[potent field]

Lol

[ember marlin]

Wg needs to respond to this

[winter swallow]

Silver lining- the memes will be good.

[zealous panther]

oof

[rocky crystal]

Teams that did well in silver are completely screwed. You might say the same to those who got clapped first round but instead of having a massive cup leap, youre only like 300 cups away from another clan taking your spot. This gives another chance to the teams who did poorly on Silver to get 16 while the teams that worked hard for it just had their progression halted.

[vapid crypt]

Is top 8 going to be round robin or randomized this summer?

[thorn shale]

WG just screwed all middle echelon

[runic jetty]

1 day prem is especially funny... at this point WG should of just given us 100 silver tickets to troll us

[sly axle]

They didnt. I remember scrimming their 2nd team before WG even mentioned that bronze/silver/gold tourneys were coming back.

[harsh ember]

LOL

[ancient shard]

Lmao

[winter swallow]

Please do not give them any ideas.

[thorn shale]

xd it's to late we all gonna die xd

[slim blade]

“You will be compensated for your loss of cups with the same amount in credits”

[heavy cape]

lmao

[patent karma]

pain

[gilded marsh]

bring back wr seeding and 100% accs. i would rather deal with that than this

[glad sphinx]

^

[low badger]

this channel is memes

[modest whale]

This channel is a circus

[dapper current]

it really do be like that tho

[dreamy bolt]

When you work on a “new seeding process” for 6 months and its still dysfunctional because your a second rate company who’s developers draw ideas up with crayons and little multi-coloured pencils

[fresh lance]

Just bring back weighed winrate so no 100% acc and no weird groups

[red vapor]

Smart.

[surreal hinge]

That's not in WG's vocabulary.

[obtuse hound]

@frosty nexus If you're gonna cancel the next silver series, then all WG had to do was remove one the cups from the clans that played both gold and silver series. Not disclude 15+ teams that played in silver, because now WG just made this season problematic

[daring swan]

You wrote that for no reason. They aren’t responding/are ignoring the issues

[olive plover]

they said to bring it to discord. THey better listen here

[daring swan]

They won’t

[primal talon]

Op Support right there

[upper oar]

lol

[primal talon]

Why even bother opening a ticket when all they will tell you is that you should go to the dc Server and ask there about your issue

[daring swan]

Bruh it isn’t letting me accept my invite. Nvm I just had to reset my game 3 times

[modest whale]

imagine posting it in #tourneys-discussion when they tell you to post it in #857969978816593920 smh

[viscid tusk]

I have been written one of the rudest messages from the support. I really don’t think they care. Sorry m8, I don’t think you will get a response let alone one that fixes the problem.

[novel yoke]

“We no longer consider feedback and suggestions about the tournaments”. yikes

[glad sphinx]

what did they write? dms

@elder coralim asking ab what they wrote to @viscid tusk.

[elder coral]

@glad sphinx nvm im a moron

[daring swan]

They don’t answer dms for weeks or ever unless it is ribble, but he doesn’t do tourney stuff. Sirius responds to pings sometimes

[tardy bay]

I like tournaments

[novel bay]

Me too!

[ancient shard]

I don’t like tournaments.

[opaque bone]

Nub !1!1

[modest whale]

I don't like tournaments anymore.

[tardy bay]

I like randomized seeding. It adds an extra flavor to the game.

[sinful crest]

Me too!

[young furnace]

Rip panzervernon73

[dense steppe]

ward, sad at least that lasted for a min

[bold sierra]

Lol

[upper oar]

@sly axle all good except the bottom right one :( cant shame ppl

[young furnace]

@sly axle you know what to do

[fallow turret]

thats what he gets for not liking tournament

[fresh lance]

^ silver cups going away from teams

[novel yoke]

I don’t like tournaments, or censorship

[young furnace]

Damn bro, ur gonna get muted 😔

[bold sierra]

^

[young furnace]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😐

[novel yoke]

I was sad cuz my team put in the effort to get 1st in silver to make up the deficit from not participating in bronze 1 and wargaming took all the cups away so we are miles from the teams that got to play gold 1, but I feel all better now that I got my day of premium.

[thorn shale]

Same

[sinful crest]

Me too.

[keen dome]

Honestly bro, I wish to acknowledge the appreciation you have for Wargaming's solution to this unexpected issue that no one saw coming. We should all take the time to consider the resources and money it took away from them by giving that many 1 day premiums, it was truly a sacrifice on their part. #PNCRTop32

[tardy bay]

Stop being immature guys, Wargaming will fix everything.

[novel yoke]

U had me in the first half

[vale matrix]

remember it took a lot of effort for their decision.

[lusty flint]

What happened lmao

[narrow meteor]

@lusty flint death

[viscid tusk]

Ye, first thing I thought was “update 5.5 nuff said”

Btw that is said with no disrespect or a desire to be rude. I agree that this is getting a bit much.

[dreamy bolt]

Wargaming staff meetings must consist of drawing pictures with crayons and eating cookie dough for lunch

[elder coral]

yooo, can i work for WG that seems great

[slim blade]

idk why everyone’s complaining I personally enjoyed my 5 games of premium account I received

[winter swallow]

I've just realised the clown meme is evolving and not a series of reposts 😂

[burnt glacier]

WG still didn't answer why they couldn't take out silver cups from team which got cups for gold. Especially when they have enough time for it. And especially with a fact that there are 20 teams or around it who were playing both tournaments ON ALL SERVERS.
And spamming will not help with it at all, they just ignore such solution which was the best.

[primal talon]

Wg messed this up big time,and didnt even implemented a proper System or fixed the Issum. It honestly Ruins the fun for everyone,Ruins the fun knowing that there arent many,if any teams that are trying to take a top 1
6 Position from you because there cups got deducted (and the gap got way to large by this) That
You compensated with 1day Premium is the even bigger joke,bcs all the community wants is a proper fix. IMO wg could shut the season down and i wouldnt even care.

[glass thunder]

Wg said silvers tournaments will be removed and those reams will play gold
But they removed 1 silver tournament and not gold
So how can those team compete vs others when they have chances to play only 2 gold and others play 3
Its min 5k cups advantage u just forcing those teams to stop playing rn and bot waisting the time

[dreamy bolt]

It evolves every time wargaming decides to do something

[gilded marsh]

I think it would be appropriate compensation if WG gave 2 days of premium time to teams that participated in silver and had their cups removed. Since the silver tournament spanned for 2 days, it is somewhat unfair to give out only 1 day of premium time.

[fallow turret]

I agree people should be rewarded for their hard work and dedication

[sinful crest]

I agree with ado, and while you’re at it give them back their silver ticket.

[dim pivot]

wg is atleast replying on the russian server (idk if its abt this topic tho), while here its dead silent from wgs side

[burnt glacier]

Chill, guys
They can't remove cups to all teams(from Silver) except those teams which got it for gold tournament... Cause...idk...WG

[vale matrix]

you are very smart

[gilded marsh]

I am realistic. Why would 1 day of premium compensate for a 2 day tournament? The logic is understandable and I hope WG takes the necessary steps to implement the correct compensation.

[winter swallow]

WG should give all affected players a Silver Ticket avatar.

Like - at least I could respect that as a good d word move.

[muted ore]

Hello. We have cancelled the Silver Series. The results of the first Silver tournament are cancelled for all clans without exception. The Silver Series is completely eliminated from the season.
In all Bronze Series tournaments, twice as many Gold Series tickets will be available from now on.
In the Gold Series, it will be possible to earn more cups than before.

[glass thunder]

so teams who played silver get 2 gold tournament to play and team who played gold will have 3 for all season
how can that be fair ? i would say u must remove cups from last gold too and play it again in end of season

[muted ore]

We are not removing the cups from the Gold Series, as this series remains in the season and there will be two more tournaments.

[royal mist]

@muted ore wouldn't that mean that teams that didn't get their cups removed will also get more cups??

[muted ore]

The teams who played in the first tournament of the Gold Series have earned this right. They took 1st and 2nd place in the Bronze tournaments. The Gold Series itself remains in the season and there will be 2 more tournaments.

[burnt glacier]

@muted oreno, you didn't understand
What is problem to remove cups from silver tournaments from team who has cups from gold tournaments? And don't touch teams who played only silver tournaments.

[sonic patio]

@muted ore how do u propose that teams that played fairly can recover from this massive deduction of cups

[muted ore]

If they perform well, they will get more cups, just like any other team.
These teams have already proven themselves by winning 1st and 2nd place in the Bronze tournaments and by competing in the Gold tournament.

[scenic thorn]

Will there be one more gold series tournament besides the 3 guaranteed ones or just these 3 that you planned since the beginning?

[muted ore]

We don't want to single out some teams over others. We have completely cancelled the entire Silver Series, it has been removed from the season and all its results removed, for all the same.

[rocky crystal]

^^^

5-6K Cups isnt a small amount. You can get clapped in Bronze series off the bat and only get 600 and if you win, u only get 2K. So a team that participated in Silver Series needs to beat every team in their bracket 3 times just to make up the gap, and at the same time, other teams will gaining 600 even if they lose. So in total a silver team needs to win 4 times, beating everyone in their bracket to close the gap. Another option is if a Silver Team got into the Finals in Gold so unless you got ez bracket or lucky, that wont happen.

@muted ore So we havent proven ourselves by getting 2nd in Silver just for it to not count??? I thought Gold is where most Top 8 teams play and Silver where most middle echelon teams play. Now we might end up where tons of top 16 teams get placed into a single bracket and u get 1 top 4 clan thatll just farm them for ez cups.

[muted ore]

All teams played fairly. Unfortunately, the problem is with the Silver Series itself, which is why it has been removed.
The teams that can take 3-4 places will now go to the Gold Series and get extra cups there.

[sonic patio]

What about the cups that have been lost? This is just unfair to the teams who were playing fairly with no subsequent team in gold.

[vital obsidian]

Would it be possible to give min cups (5654) of gold day 1 to clans who made silver tickets, but not getting gold cups?

[royal mist]

We wasted 2 days for basically nothing while the other teams got a head start how is that fair to be exact?

[muted ore]

There will only be 3 gold tournaments, but at the end of the season, there may be another Last Chance tournament.

[scenic thorn]

Thank you for the reply 👌

[rocky crystal]

Exactly, How do you expect a top 16 team or any team close to middle echelon be able to challenge the top 4-8 teams and make it into gold finals.

[burnt glacier]

@muted ore where do you see singling out some team over others if all teams would stay with themselves points?
U just removed from all teams who played Silver all cups, instead of removing silver cups from teams that got cups anyway from gold tournaments. I will repeat: '' Remove only part of cups for silver tournament, not for both''
At least you single out teams which played gold from teams who played silver.
So reason with singling out doesn't work with your decision.

[muted ore]

No matter which place you won in the Silver tournament, the cups have been written off from all teams without exception. In this situation, all competitors in the Silver series are on the same footing. They also have the same chance of getting new cups.

[solar sedge]

but it doesnt let us catch up to those who played gold series in the first place...
some teams played silver and couldve still competed for top 8 with the cups they earned from that but now the gap is so big that it's pretty much impossible

[muted ore]

It wouldn't have been the right decision, as they didn't place 1-2 in Bronze to get that many cups. Also, had they hypothetically made it to Gold, they could have earned more cups, the minimum figure in this case is in no way appropriate.

As I mentioned earlier, the entire Silver series has been removed along with the results.

[rocky crystal]

For example, HATED was in like low 16 before Silver 1. Then they played Silver 1 and beat us which made them the winner of Silver 1. Then they went from like 15th to like 6th or something. Now, theyre completely screwed and have to make up massive amounts of cups. A top 8 team will now be competing in Challengers just because the Gold Teams kept their cups. HATED might as well quit and play Season Coins because they had a clean shot at it Top 8 and now its completely ruined.

Another example would be Pncr, they did very well in Silver which was to be expected and because Silver lost cups and Gold didnt, they are now in 17th place. They were in the middle of Top 16 after they got cups for winning Silver 1 but now, they sitting in 17th. Once again, that screwed PNCR's Top 8 chances.

Theres many more good teams that also got screwed by this.

[muted ore]

We are really sorry that the situation was such that the Silver series was removed from the season. The cups were removed to avoid even more problems in the leaderboard and the other tournament awards were retained. Also, all participants were compensated.

[cobalt yarrow]

thanks for answers @muted ore

[muted ore]

We will not write off cups from some teams in the Silver series and leave them with others. The entire Silver Series has been deleted as well as the cups received in it. This was done in the same way for all clans, no exceptions.

[burnt glacier]

Ye
And it called singling out.
Okay. I guess there is no point to continue discussion. Thanks for answering!

[muted ore]

Everything will depend on the results of the remaining Bronze and Gold Series tournaments. The difference in the number of cups is not that big.

[royal mist]

Ah yes demoralising teams denying any hopes for top 8 this season will be compensated with 1 day of premium i thank you for the honest response it may not be the response i wanted but a response is a response and i must thank you for that

[muted ore]

The situation on the leaderboard could change dramatically after the next Gold Series tournament.

[thorn shale]

Taking those cups screwed many teams for example 4px was in top 8 and played silver just to get behind other teams that played gold and got cups and now there are in 10th because y’all cancelled cups

[dreamy bolt]

Do you not see that this is a problem YOU didn’t for-see and manage correctly, nobody was made aware of the issue, you ruined mine and many others seasons and wasted our time… you should at least compensate us fairly not by giving us one day of premium, like honestly we put hours of work into this only to be punished for your mistake, the whole season is a pisstake, you guys seriously did nothing in 6 months, you “created a new system” buy brining the old system back, didn’t fix its flaws ( absolute negligence) and then when something goes wrong you have a blanket punishment put in place

[thorn shale]

Months to prepare but they find a way to fck the season up

[unique shard]

We lost 8.3k points, we are behind 6k points and you are writing to me here that I will get extra points for gold, cool great only there is a small problem each of these points will get so the chance that we will make up for what you played is small, thx for one day perm @muted ore XDDD

[rocky crystal]

Itll slightly change, heres why. The Top 8 teams arent full of idiots so if your a clan like HATED and PNCR, its almost impossible to achieve Top 8 unless they get into Finals in Gold 2xs and gotta do well in them too. No shame to Juno, its not their fault that they got a bye but they should be in the upper 16 areas but because gold didnt get deleted, the season might end with Juno in Top 8. Not to mention the 1 day prem compensation. Us comp players hardly just play to get the maximum benefits out of prem time. We spend time training, prepping, and playing. I can get prem time from completing missions and clan missions. Ask the silver teams whats better, Challengers avatar and a chance to get summer season camo alongside clan ranking or 1 day compensation?

[dreamy bolt]

@copper ore sorry to ping but can you please sort this out, to be honest its unbelievably pathetic to spend 6 months and still screw it up, wargaming is both ruining the game and whatever unscathed reputation it has left

[thorn shale]

I’d rather take 1 piece of gold rather than 1 day of premium acc

[warped patrol]

All teams played fairly, but Wargaming didn’t.

[rocky crystal]

Not to mention, teams that did bad in Silver 1, youre basically giving them a chance to let the catch up to those who did well in Silver. Metro, which is behind us, we beat them 3-0 in silver and would have 4k cups to separate us for 16. Now, they are only 300 cups behind. Our "2nd" Team which is based in CCRS rn, they got smashed in Silver and now because the cups didnt count, their progress didnt change, now theyre only a few hundred away from 16 as well when they shouldve been some thousand cups behind.

[sinful crest]

nah real talk some teams purposely played silver series to avoid facing stronger teams in the gold tournament. They also have noticed if you place higher in the silver tournament you get way more cups than if you get destroyed in the gold tournament. Most of the teams knew what they were doing, they were trying to exploit the weak system. Don’t get me wrong this might not be all teams, but I know for a fact a lot of the teams on NA tried doing this.
@dreamy bolt you’re inconsiderate. You have to realize wargaming has a limited amount of time during the 4 seasons to implement a new bullet proof tournament system that has no sorts of exploitation. It’s the same thing with the WR account abusers if you use 100% wr accounts you’re also apart of the issue, same thing applies here if you purposely avoid gold tournaments to farm more cups in silver you’re exploiting the tournament system therefore being apart of the problem

[dreamy bolt]

You are so blind, the fact of the matter is, the exploit is at the fault of wargaming not those who chose to use it to gain more cups….

[muted ore]

We have removed the cups from all teams in the Silver series. It will be possible to get new cups and still change the position on the leaderboard in the Bronze and Gold Series tournaments.
The Gold Series stays in the season and that's why the cups for it have not been removed.

[fast hare]

Nanna_Nippys#3119 has been warned.

[muted ore]

We are very sorry that such a problem has affected the season. The series was introduced as a temporary solution (for Summer season only) to combine with random seeding to eliminate the problem of 100% accounts. We will learn from this and try to avoid similar problems in the future.

[vagrant phoenix]

even if this was the case, it doesn't change the fact that wargaming screwed the teams who played silver because they didnt have gold tickets. the gap between teams who played gold and those who didn't is now at the very least, 4500, which is basically impossible to make up for the teams below 10th place.

[chilly hemlock]

I would argue that wg was never going to be able to give everyone a perfect solution mid season

There was always going to be some sort of fallout

It doesn’t excuse it from happening or excuse the loophole existing however

[sinful crest]

Fair, Sirius did hint at a “last chance tournament” so hopefully wargaming can do that for the teams who didn’t purposely try to smurf in silver league

[thorn shale]

It is impossible if all top 8 teams keep going up into gold it’s impossible for any team to catch up since there’s not silver

[dreamy bolt]

I would argue that they had 6 months to sort out an issue with a system they had used in the past and still didnt do their job

[tardy bay]

I think anything is possible if you believe.

[rocky crystal]

Yea i understand that, If i was given a gold tick, id stay in silver. Some clans missed out on first day so they didnt get a chance for Gold tick and stuff or did bad so the only tick they had was silv. A clan like us can no way make it into the finals especially in gold series.

Also, the last chance tourney wasnt even confirmed, Sirius just say "May"

[chilly hemlock]

This is the same company who accidentally messed up their own win rate seeding system in a way that they couldn’t figure out how to fix it. That buffed tanks three days before an international offline. Why is anyone surprised?

The last chance tournament is going to be controversial if it has a higher cup rewards structure lol

[unique shard]

@muted ore I wonder how I can make up for such a loss, Let me just remind you that the current 16th position was far behind me and now it is far ahead of me

[chilly hemlock]

Stay respectful and make edits to that

I understand your frustration but you can be an adult about things

Thank you

Clearly you didn’t read what I just said above

Also. There’s a long history of tournament flaws. Again. Why are you surprised?

Multiple teams per clan, multiple family clans running a team, win rate account boosting etc etc

There’s always something

Summer season has been a train wreck so all anyone can hope for now is that this new seeding system for the fall is actually good and wg implements the rule structure to prevent loop holes from happening

[unique shard]

If in your opinion it is 100% fair play that some of them managed to get to gold thanks to a better drawing, it was enough for them to lose one match and be higher than those who won all of this, congratulations.
Because it looks like you just get to lose and you can have everything somewhere with no consequences.

[thorn shale]

Why can’t they make clans only register 1 team?

[chilly hemlock]

If they are using cups for the leaderboards, it should only be one team per clan from the beginning

[median mason]

Probably the same reason why they couldn't fix wr seeding for several seasons - no will

[rocky crystal]

or, simply just remove cups from the teams who did the worst out of the 2 and continue on.... then you dont have to give out your precious 1 day premuim

[chilly hemlock]

And. You couldn’t run a gold and silver team. You just run one

[tardy bay]

Its not as easy as it sounds. Im sure they are working hard to solve this problem.

[chilly hemlock]

Yeah a bunch of people have said that too. Keep the top results only for cup count. The only issue is that people earned more for winning silver than losing in gold. That should not be a possibility

[frosty nexus]

📢 Dear players,

There are some changes in the Gold series tournaments from the next weekend:

1. The regulations were changed from Single elimination + Double elimination to а Double elimination + Double elimination. By this,

Group stage: Double elimination, 4 teams per group. The format: Bo3 (up to 2 victories), Grand-Final - Bo5 (up to 3 victories). The 2 best teams from each group advance to the next stage. Final stage: Double Elimination, 4 teams per group. The format: Bo3 (up to 2 victories), Grand-Final - Bo5 (up to 3 victories).

2. Also we increased the prize fund by adding the gold to it:

Group stage:

1st place - 200 gold for the each player in the team
2nd place - 150 gold for the each player in the team
3rd place - 100 gold for the each player in the team
4th place - 50 gold for the each player in the team

Final stage:

1st place - 800 gold for the each player in the team
2nd place - 500 gold for the each player in the team
3rd place - 400 for the each player in the team
4th place - 300 for the each player in the team

Good luck in tournaments!

[muted ore]

If the Last Chance tournament is held, it will be open to all.

[sinful crest]

Now that is great news, the gold from the gold series but also the consideration of a last chance tourney.

[vital obsidian]

Very good solution to introduced double elimination to day1. Thank you.

[vagrant phoenix]

Wonderful! I'm sure 50 gold and 1 day of premium time solves all the issues that were just discussed earlier. Thanks wargaming!

[burnt glacier]

Ahahah
Best 4 from group that consist from 4 teams

[cobalt yarrow]

can we know the exact cup number?

[vital obsidian]

Small typo in rules: BO3 is 2 victories, not 3. What are the new cups?

[tardy bay]

I’m excited to play in the new Gold Series tournaments.

[scenic thorn]

Basically free final stage no way

[rocky crystal]

^^

[solar sedge]

how is 7k cups not a big difference? even if we won every single remaining game we wouldnt be anywhere near contention for top 8 unless everyone else magically started losing. This is not an issue just for my team but for many other teams who played silver series as well.

[muted ore]

The cups in the group stage did not change.

final stage,
1st place - 8107 cups per team
2nd place - 7648 trophies per team
3rd place - 7209 trophies per team
4th place - 6784 cups per team

[vital obsidian]

@muted ore Does this mean all teams play also day 2? (group+final stage in same group of 4)

[cobalt yarrow]

seems so top4 of 4 team group

[muted ore]

It's a typo, sorry. We have already corrected it.

The 2 best teams from each group advance to the next stage.

[sinful crest]

Me too!

[thorn shale]

Mm🙏🏻

[cobalt yarrow]

they said same for first day and second day cups are mentioned above

[obtuse hound]

What I was suggesting was, eliminating the next 2 silver series not the previous one. Otherwise Nobody in this channel would be talking about it

[sinful crest]

Kinda random, but does anybody know what happened to all the comp streamers this season? like are the bronze/gold tournaments not going to be covered or are the streamers only scheduled to stream professional/ challenger leagues

[thorn shale]

😎

Problem Solved!

[daring swan]

@sinful crest wargaming’s person who lets people stream hasn’t been responsive, so nobody except wild is able to stream or something like that

[steep prawn]

so much big brains here

[glad sphinx]

This is so wonderful!

[winged saffron]

Summer season looks like it is going great

[supple hearth]

Yay, free gold that I can spend on crates

[sinful crest]

Gold tournaments + gold boosters 🧠🧠

[thorn shale]

Crates with crates inside !!!

[viscid tusk]

And they literally came to the community with a response and it had nothing to do with our concerns. They completely ignored them.

[limber lintel]

he is moving I believe, that's why

[slim blade]

guys free gold I count this as an absolute win

[glad sphinx]

50 gold for 8k cups, this is wonderful!

[thorn shale]

Where is my cups ? Wg?

[cobalt yarrow]

exchanged for 1 day premium acc

[harsh ember]

fix the trash tournament setup or give players gold

[modest whale]

well now you get at least 50 gold from gold series! so much.

[thorn shale]

Well that better than no golds

50 gold lesssgoo what we buying guys ???

[supple hearth]

Crates

[jovial bane]

@tranquil vortex 😂 🤌

[scenic thorn]

I'm exchanging gold for credits 🥴

[gilded marsh]

I’m spending my gold from the gold tournaments on premium time because 1 day of compensation is not enough! 2 days or no dice 😤😤.

[thick elk]

You should join in and experience it😎

[winged saffron]

After you do

[lusty flint]

O7 summer adventurers

[bold sierra]

yeah summer season is so fun!

[civic glacier]

o7

[night barn]

Where is my cups hello?

[patent karma]

😎

[elder coral]

Yup, this season is no longer summer season; it’s suffer season

[proud holly]

You ever just remove 5k-8k cups from 13 of the approximately NA 22 teams that participated in the silver/gold series and then decide:

• “One day of premium is a great compensation”
• “This is completely fair and objective”

Would be kinda funny if that happened.

[cyan timber]

reeeeeeee

[limber lintel]

that sometimes happens, check storage, normally you only got it once

[daring swan]

@hollow raft because jones lost to Sparta?

[cobalt pebble]

@hollow raft 🤡

[tepid trout]

We got same points as JON3S, but since we beat them we get first place and they drop to 2nd, thats all, no bugs here

[slim blade]

When clans draw on wins, the winner from those two clans fighting against each other gets the higher spot

[tawdry inlet]

XDDDD

[serene crystal]

nah it works on wins and losses as in the game vs each clan. Not on each individual match.
Matchup vs clan is the deciding factor, not game differential

[limber lintel]

and it doesn't even matter as well, lol, it's just shared on the same wins, how can you care so hard about what team is put higher, same wins anyway, 😂

[thorn shale]

@hollow raft when 2 teams have SAME points (tied) head to head result says the winner

JON3S: 6 points
SPRTA: 6 points

sprta won jon3s so sprta 1st and jon3s 2nd

monkey rushes go brrr my brother

[hollow raft]

K thx @thorn shale

[thorn shale]

Pog champ

[chilly hemlock]

@hollow raft stop swearing

[proud holly]

😳

[analog osprey]

@chilly hemlock what is the problem?? He didn’t understand

[chilly hemlock]

?

@analog osprey people aren’t allowed to swear on this server, especially repeatedly. Why is this your concern?

[analog osprey]

I don’t see in the rule

[chilly hemlock]

#rules

[proud holly]

😳

[proud holly]

Nah man it’s not that big of a gap! Look WG said so themselves!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/373664251853668353/864598699111088159/unknown-4.png

[harsh thistle]

What in the world
I am so glad I didn't bother with playing this season

[thorn shale]

i like Wednesday

[empty phoenix]

You’re kidding, right? What an absolute joke of a stance.

[harsh ember]

[DUR] punching air rn

[leaden crow]

The closest a team that did not get cups from Gold #1 is to Top 8 is 8k cups. How is that "Not that big"

[young furnace]

Wg: Only top 4 teams will get a gold ticket
Also wg:

[proud holly]

@young furnace Update: R and Jun0 have 3. But R takes the ticket because of their faceoff.

Would be cool to have a ticket tho .. . except we played like monkeys 🐵

[young furnace]

😮‍💨

[vagrant thicket]

top 4 gets gold tickets now?

[arctic arch]

@muted ore Unless cup count is increased it’s impossible for a team, like my own, to go from their position to top 8. Its an almost 10k cup difference, and when you get around 2000 cups for first place there is no room to catch up, unless you dont fail and they miss out EVERY tournament after. (Talking about bronze tournaments)

[vagrant thicket]

@muted ore Hi, I understand why you eliminated silver cup results as a result of scrapping silver series, but why don't you remove the cup results from the first gold series from clan totals?

Does it seem fair for teams that only played silver to have gotten their cups removed, while the teams that played gold got to keep them and now have a lead and advantage over the rest due to a mid season rule change by WG over a fault on their end? Please put yourself in our shoes, I don't see how this outcome is fair in anyway and I think further action should be taken to correct the imbalance we are currently seeing. It is hard enough to close a regular gap in these ascents, let alone a now 6k+ additional cup gap on top of that

[young furnace]

yes
so basically you need a miracle to make top 8 now if you played the silver tournrment instead of the gold one

[daring swan]

They made it in a way that if you don’t make final stage gold series both times, you aren’t making top 8 unless you get like first in final stage in one of them