tourneys-discussion

[vagrant thicket]

@cobalt pebble

[thick elk]

they needed it to be narrowed down for the servers that have more players, example being ru who have almost the max num of teams regestered, meaning they cant fit more than the #1 team from each group in 1 day

[chilly terrace]

Just curious: why do you think that team has more hp should be determined as better?

[glass thunder]

2vs2 tournament are so boring all teams camp in the back then rush at the end and try do more damage than other team
also PC vs TC is super unfair we should always separate tournaments on controle mode

[sweet flax]

its 2v2, there is no need to separate control types. Its you and your mate vs someone else and their mate. Its just friends having fun. why do you want to block people from being able to play together just because one platform has some advantages over the other in such a small environment.
Limiting the control modes would just make it annoying and not as fun for the people playing together.

[jade hornet]

it is rlly. in the stage yesterday in our group were basically only pc players. i guess thats why there is no proavatar to win this time

[lost jungle]

we played 2v2 day before yesterday, and still cant join other tournaments. Can anyone throw some light on this? When can we again play the quick tours?

[slender harness]

pro avatar is only given in tournament seasons, why should one 2v2 tournament have it? Also why should PC players have special treatment on a mobile game?

[glass thunder]

game played on pc and mobile = multi platform game not mobile game just for your information game is on steam and windows store
but its unfair to make competitive tournament for both pc and tc

[slender harness]

it was originally designed around mobile with pc platform only coming in around 2015-2016. The problem is the logistics of pc tournaments vs mobile tournaments, mobile will have professionals and offlines while the pc community will complain for not getting one. Mobile at least wargaming can cater easily. PC? more expensive for a small game and the cons outweigh the pros

[graceful jetty]

Its just a fun tournament, idt theres any need to be real restrictive of the control type.
I also dont think 2v2 should come back.
3v3 on the other hand is much more dynamic and would give so many more options for the players. It would be so much less campy than 2v2

[jade hornet]

i think last 2v2 gave. not sure tho and to mag above *pc

[supple hearth]

I wanna see a 1v1 tournament though 👀

[graceful jetty]

Only pro tours have had pro avatar reward

[jade hornet]

well then👍🏻

[light aspen]

@frosty nexus @muted ore EU Quick tournament tier 7-8,team called W-2-B,team captain LembitusRX Tour invitations to online and offline non clan players and for clan members are not going thru.People see notification when the invitation has been sent but there is nothing to accept under messages-tournament.

[grim shadow]

@light aspen Have you tried this method btw?

[vagrant thicket]

it does seem a little unfair considering not all tanks have the same amount giving some teams an advantage from the beginning, so never mind that

[muted ore]

Hello. Unfortunately, the problem has not yet been fixed.

[tight oasis]

hello why can't i close the 2 vs 2 tournament my team lost in the first round and i didn't even get an invitation

Pls Help me

[muted ore]

Hello. You cannot withdraw from the tournament until it is over. The tournament will end today.
The problem with receiving notifications has not yet been fixed.

[proud holly]

Estimated time for additional Summer Season Tourny information?

[tight oasis]

at what time is the tournament closed because i want to take part in the quick tournament at 8 p.m.

[crisp shore]

Interesting, this bug has been fixed on Asia server 😮

[fallow raptor]

Not so sure abt that being fixed tho cause pink_puffins couldn't join the first few rooms actually. Luckily it finally worked after some rounds

[crisp shore]

oof that's not nice but in the end it worked 😛 pink_puffins player of the tournament defo

[chilly hemlock]

No. He doesn’t want anyone else’s input because he’s a vip

[fallow raptor]

oof but yea tournament invites have been very buggy its best to just get ur members to request to join and u accept the requests just do this method it legit works 10/10 times

[sinful crest]

i like WotB 3d war tournaments

[thorn shale]

1v1 tournament when

[sinful crest]

^^^^

[sinful crest]

@muted ore when will we able to receive the full amount of information for summer season?as it’s only 1 week away

[upper oar]

in 7 days

[hidden swift]

lol

[muted ore]

Soon

[fallow turret]

It'll be this weekend prolly

[daring swan]

@muted ore you guys aren’t having a tournament for summer season on July 4th correct?

[muted ore]

Can't tell yet.

[daring swan]

I really hope you guys try to avoid that because it’s meant to be a holiday where most people are out

[sinful crest]

^

[fallow turret]

That would require forethought

[upper oar]

WG once scheduled a make-up tournament on Memorial Day, and it didn't work out so well. i can't rule it out, but surely they would have thought that out

[atomic maple]

ok

[winter swallow]

Maybe for 2022 - post Autumn/Winter Season 2021... WG can publish the entire calendar year of tournament schedules?

That would be really good and organised and useful.

[daring swan]

I just don’t understand why we can’t get a schedule right after wargaming has finished making it for the season. What is the point of making us wait until a week before? Imo it doesn’t make sense that the schedule wouldn’t be finalized yet considering there is only about a week left until summer season

[atomic maple]

nah

[winter swallow]

Having the tournament schedule earlier would help people plan their lives and we'd probably have MORE people playing in tournaments.

[atomic maple]

Ok

[graceful jetty]

Hi can the challenger and pro avatars get updated to look like better versions of the lower echelon avatar thanks

[silver vapor]

Erm i think we have a slight problem here. Bronze tournaments on almost every single day except the days for silver and gold? No way this is true. And no amount of heads up would help as this more than a part time job in itself just attending to the massive schedule lmao.

Unless this is a mistake by wargaming as I don’t think bronze tournaments are meant to last more than 1 day?

[carmine solstice]

E7 is looking to hire some employees to work for us full time. Here is the work schedule. DM if interested

[daring swan]

Bruh tournament on July 4th o7. Wait so are bronze tourneys two days long?

[slender harness]

lmfao

[limber lintel]

yes, and it's gonna be clusters of 4 days with 1 day breaks, unless you didn't get gold/silver tickets

[fallow raptor]

Omegalul this is a job a parttime job

[daring swan]

Also, this might sound kinda dumb, but clans are going to have multiple teams so they can play gold and silver on the same day, who will get trophies from silver and gold, which is not meant to happen. @graceful jetty yes but the silver tourneys and gold tourneys are on the same days, but are technically different tourneys and I bet wargaming doesn’t have a new formula to fix this from happening

[thorn shale]

How to play tier 6 bronze tour

[silver vapor]

Omg what is this?

[crisp shore]

Schedule is too hectic and for streamers it will be crazy

[graceful jetty]

I think only the team with more cups gets added

[carmine solstice]

Honestly just go back to winrate seeding and spring schedule. Even for 1st place, it’s no where near worth our time lmao

[vital obsidian]

Why so many bronzetours

[daring swan]

I just don’t understand how they are two days long because there is no final stage?

[thorn shale]

Wotb=part time job

[slender harness]

3 bronze tour to get 1 silver/gold ticket per week
so you only need to win 1 bronze if you want to get gold
can skip other 2

higher chance of many teams reaching silver/gold after the first time winners rest though

[crisp shore]

But there are cups to be earned for all Bronze Tournaments

[daring swan]

@slender harness 6 bronze tourneys. There will be 3 silver/gold tourneys. So in order to get gold tickets for every tourney, you need to get to the finals of 3 out of 6 bronze tourneys

[slender harness]

i hope they wont be enough to change silver/gold league results

wargaming making top8 teams do strategies on which tournament days to join if bronze is small enough not to influence siler/gold result

[crisp shore]

I think they are enough to some extent. 3 participations in Bronze amount to a participation in Gold

[dim pivot]

Cup rewards are mentioned in the news and seeing the rewards in bronze, it only shows "group stage" if theres no final stage, why is it two days

Edit : Inb4 its a big brain bo3 round robin for bronze tournament

Edit 2: Round robin wud fit why the tournament is 2 days, and wud kind of fix the matchmaking problems, ofcourse the grps are made randomly so thats not the best, but in those grps each team will play the other so thats good

[daring swan]

@dim pivot bruhhhh that is so much time. They can cut it to one day ugh

[dim pivot]

@daring swan i mean thats just me guessing how its gonna go but yea

[crisp shore]

Bronze series tournament could be a round robin if they are spread across 2 days

[slender harness]

clans with multiple teams: time to shine
like cough cough several unnamed clans

one team clans: endurance triathlon

[pastel tartan]

gotta say the new avatar looks cooler than the pro avatar

[modest whale]

I personally don't like it

[forest matrix]

Looks to me it’s kinda good system guys.
Remember it is random draw therefore u must mitigate the risk of bad drawing. That’s what WG does by allowing 3 chances to get gold tickets ahead of first gold tourney. And even better if you grab gold during the first 3 bronze then you don’t need to align at all during any of the later bronze event.

Of course this implies that bronze are not delivering any cup.
So in terms of workload and organisation it is quite light and flexible.

[daring swan]

Bronze offers cups though so we have to play each one

[bronze crag]

Really glad there is a new Lower Echelon championship

[spark pumice]

this has to be a error right? no way 1st and 2nd get worse rewards

but also what is up with the dates for bronze series tournaments?? there’s only 8 teams per group that’s 3 games max, no way does that take 2 nights.

[daring swan]

@spark pumice that is for group stage. First and second move on to the final stage and the bronze series might be round robin second night

[covert flax]

It was the same for spring JTA, I don’t understand why it’s worded like that, but that’s how they run it 😂

[modest whale]

3rd and 4th don't move on so they get better group stage rewards

[dim pivot]

Both night*

[daring swan]

@dim pivot no cause 8 teams wouldn’t do round robin in one day. Nvm

[abstract zealot]

@lime glen ....plz make live stream tournament cam as first person shooter like we have in replays....if i watch stream the tanks look like ants tbh

[sinful crest]

Bro having to play on July fourth unlucky

[proud holly]

They really be out here tryna take away our patriotism

[slender harness]

Tbh throwing july 4th tour should be fine, and just catch up on the rest

[proud holly]

@muted ore Hi, is there any information for what maps will be in tournament rotation?

[spark pumice]

i get to go to work and play 3d war game on the fourth lmao thanks obama 😔

[sinful crest]

Sadge.

[thorn shale]

Anyone looking for team members for the tournament?

[spark pumice]

but why is the lower echelon tournament avatar so nice

[modest whale]

wdym by nice the prizes are worse than middle and pro

[ancient shard]

Lower echelon av is pretty clean ngl

[forest matrix]

Basically summer season layout is all about try hard - in July with football final stage In paralllel I rly wonder what it will look like

[supple hearth]

Are they gonna bring back the True Challenger camo to NA?

[proud holly]

Do you have a pic?

[harsh thistle]

@brave niche Sorry to bother you, but Fishy mentioned If i wanted to stream summer season I would need to talk with you about it.

[supple hearth]

@proud holly

[proud holly]

Isn’t that camo only dedicated to the twister/blitzcup winners?

[ancient shard]

That was the 2018 offline camo iirc

[pliant peak]

And the best : P

@frosty nexus @muted ore This avatar will be pernament?

[harsh thistle]

challengers and pro are, so i dont see why it wouldnt be
@ancient shard tell blackbear yall should throw so you can get lower echilon and have all 3 avatars

[pliant peak]

As i remember challenger avatar was for 90 days when wg ad avatars as turnament reward

[harsh thistle]

no its permanent just like pro, at least nowadays

[forest matrix]

Used to be 90 days

[left olive]

Is this where we submit the avatars?

[young furnace]

#857610245811863562

[patent quartz]

has to, since pro and challenger are permanent

[narrow meteor]

@patent quartz your beauty is permanent 😏

[torpid coral]

:3

[thorn shale]

Is there anywhere a pic where the summer camo is on a tank?

[glass thunder]

Yes

[thorn shale]

Send pls

[thorn shale]

Thx

[jade hornet]

np

[limber lintel]

Winter is best, change my mind

[wet tide]

@muted ore hello, did the map pool change for summer season tournaments? Or only the qts?

[tranquil mauve]

lol

[supple hearth]

Summer is bussin, summer is the best

[untold tinsel]

i’ve never seen someone spell someone so wrong

[cyan timber]

sungwaon

[fading pivot]

Winter and fall

[proud holly]

Map Rotations List when

[daring swan]

When will we know how the bronze tourney works?

[mellow torrent]

Quick Tournaments only clans more please.

[royal cradle]

Thanks for sending it on every channel @ember pulsar

[jagged oar]

Hello @gleaming ivy, @lime glen @copper ore (sry, idk who is responsible),
I would love to join tournament streamers for WG official tournaments, since my test run on BPC with top EU teams managed to get some good results. For further info pls contact me in PMs.

[harsh thistle]

I'm going to piggy back this ping so I do think have to ping again. But I'd like to discuss the possibility of streaming for NA. My dms are open for discussion

[spark pumice]

more streamers!!!!

[crisp shore]

I think Darth Antonius is the one to ask 🙂

[topaz hemlock]

Русские есть?

[harsh thistle]

thats what i heard. time to patiently wait for a response for us both lol

[crisp shore]

NA is going to be packed this season 😛

[untold tinsel]

doubt

[proud holly]

Lowkey might be the opposite rn, at least for the summer

[modest whale]

north america!

[crisp shore]

Ah I mean streamers

[untold tinsel]

nah bro, there what, maybe 4 streamers streaming na that are qualified. and most of them are covering more than one server. i say we let people who play na and stream should have priority over people who don’t play na and stream

[crisp shore]

ooh not really I think there are at least 2, maybe even 3 for NA now. adding the streamers who stream across servers, you have an excess.

[sinful crest]

@jagged oar @harsh thistle you should just DM darth he usually answers within a couple of hours

[jagged oar]

need to be friends with him to message him

[proud holly]

send him a fr?

[sinful crest]

Gotcha

[harsh thistle]

ya, that was the first thing i tried unfortunately

[sinful crest]

I have him as a friend I can msg him if you guys want @jagged oar @harsh thistle

[harsh thistle]

if you dont mind and dont think it would be a bother for either that would be appreciated. I just figured he doesnt check over the weekends

[sinful crest]

👍👍

[wicked sigil]

Que tal

[thorn shale]

Hello, how do I play a tournament game, can I use Vindicator?

[winter swallow]

You find a team in #tourneys-team-search and play at Tier 6, 8 or 10. You could use a Vindicator in a Tier 8 tournament but as a Tier 7 tank (and not a very good one at that), you may want to use alternative vehicles 🙂

🎣

…

F.

You got me.

…

And yes. Yes I did diss your Vindicator. AND I’LL DO IT AGAIN TOO. 😛

[thorn shale]

Out of all the people to fall for my troll, why did it need to be daddy Rolling, I’m sorry man
AYO, DID YOU DISS MY VINDICATOR

[proud holly]

More like. . . poopicator

[upper oar]

@winter swallow no cap, thx for being positive and taking the time to help, even if it was a joke

[muted ore]

Hello. Three maps will be added for tournaments at level 10: Canyon, Yamato Harbour, Himmelsdorf.

[sinful crest]

BRuh, Yamato and canyon just why. Tier 8 maps into a tier ten map pool just 🧠🧠

[wet tide]

Really sad that yamato and canyon will get added, guess every season needs its weak points…..

[upper oar]

Himmelsdorf tho

that's an overall popular one

Canyon is gonna make for terrible gameplay tho

[sinful crest]

Don’t worry boys, spam 7 heavies on the three new maps and you’ll be fine🙌🏽

[vital obsidian]

the maps are not new but they been gone for ages which was good cause all are very bad cw maps

[carmine solstice]

It’s popular until people play it and face is4 and maus spam for the 20th game in a row. The other maps are just tragic, literally no one asked for these maps to come into tier 10 smh

[sinful crest]

kinda annoying how the WG tournament people don’t read what the community wants/doesn’t want. So many people after spring season ended said they didn’t want to see Yamato & canyon but yet they still get slapped onto the map pool. These two new maps will be boring to play on just another version of Castilla.

[thorn shale]

Ahh yes the classic “We don’t play tournaments, nor understand the tournament meta, but funny dumb maps goes brrr”

[jade hornet]

there was a reason no one liked to play yamato and canyon in tours. like what is the reason to add it knowing that straight up everyone hated them. gg nice move wg -_-

[limber lintel]

I don't understand why they're being added, you can clearly see the discontent from the cw community, please WG come to your senses about this, it's clear that the maps (except maybe himmelsdorf) aren't really welcomed

[vital obsidian]

@muted ore are there some maps removed when 3 more added to pool?

Hope you can reconsider adding especially canyon and yamoto, they not good for highlevel cw. But, If they must to be on summer map pool, please at least consider remove them for Twister.

[sinful crest]

+1

[muted ore]

No maps have been removed for level 10. The summer season will have the same maps as the Spring season + three new ones.
The maps for the Autumn season are not yet ready to be announced.

[thorn shale]

You’re just completely dodging everything being said but do go on….

[wet tide]

May we ask why you guys decided to add these maps back when a lot of high-level cw players rated them as not for tournaments? Just curious why you would change back the map pools whilst the players were happy with the current one.

[muted ore]

This maps has been removed from the list for technical correction. They are now back.

[limber lintel]

what do you mean with "technical correction"?, like uneven map textures so you randomly get stopped or what? Because I don't quite understand what it means/implies

[thorn shale]

@limber lintel it means they had no reason to bring them back, but they brought them back to make it seem like they did something tournament related

[limber lintel]

also one more thing, couldn't this have been announced a bit earlier, like 4 days to think of a strat then also still having to test it, is a bit meh honestly, can you please tell us earlier next time

[sinful crest]

^^^^^^^^^

[thorn shale]

Don’t worry they still got to announce falls creek and dead rail

[crisp shore]

Would have been fabulous if it was announced a lot earlier too so BPC can add these maps to the map pool 😈

[muted ore]

I can't give details of the fixes.

[thorn shale]

Time for full Maus on Himmelsdorf 👀😂

If you can’t give us details on the fixes
1, Why bother fixing them if it’s something players can’t know
2, Why fix them in the first place
3, Why even tell us things got fixed
Makes no sense in the slightest

[forest matrix]

I would add
4. What kind of bug does require fixing for CW but not for random games?

[graceful jetty]

3. someone asked why it was removed and he replied

[royal cradle]

Hahahaha this chat at times😂🤦‍♂️

[thorn shale]

@graceful jetty the guy asked what “Fixes” was made to the maps to deem them to be added into tournament rotation, all he got was “I can’t tell you”

[royal cradle]

U just outplayed WG or they outplayed themselves 🤷‍♂️

[wet tide]

Lmao gg bois, mission completed

[formal drift]

@muted ore Hi, will the 3 "new" tourney maps be included in the soon-to-come summer season tournaments?
Edit, sorry for the ping, found the answer above. Apologizes for being blind

[latent olive]

Some of you will be happy to hear that I probably wont be streaming Summer Season due to an impending house move - so alas no 5 fps 😦

[gleaming schooner]

Man, announcing 3 new maps in the map pool 4 days before tour? XD

[vagrant thicket]

why play wg tournaments anymore with all these issues when you can play something else where the company at least pretends to care about their community a little more. even having some players who are experienced at the game on the balance team that could weigh in on changes like these and influence them would help a lot in determining what's a good idea and what isn't. wg either doesn't value their playerbase's opinions, or doesn't care enough to listen, and i'm sorry but that's not a game i think i really want to play.

But the tournament playerbase isn't nearly as large as the rest of the playerbase that actually brings you your money, right? So worst case scenario you can just kill off the tournament playerbase and wouldn't have to invest the time and money in keeping this up, nor would you have to pay out the monetary prizes.

[odd basalt]

I think wgs pretending is on point

[thorn shale]

@vagrant thicket if they kill off tournaments, they lose almost all of the top players, the game will just crumble

[vagrant thicket]

the proportion of players that play at this level are small compared to the rest of the playerbase, wg has said this themselves. they don't provide anything more than participation in their tournaments pretty much

[sweet flax]

Yeah, but what's the point of playing a game when there's no bar to reach or break? Most game's playerbases and kept up by the goal of the players to keep playing to improve. Almost all games have this. And if most top players just quit playing since they isn't anything above the standard level of gameplay, then who are the rest of the playerbase going to look up to for a goal/milestone to reach in terms of skill or general persistence

[thorn shale]

If anybody needs a good player in tournament team dm me

[glass thunder]

for new tournament serie too? (silver / bronze and gold )?

[muted ore]

Yes, for all tournaments at level 10.

[royal cradle]

Always nice to see that wg slaps the community with some lovely decisions they made with their super insiight on gameplay

[daring swan]

@muted ore you guys can still change the map pool before the actual tournaments start. As you can see, majority of tournament players disagree with the addition of these three maps into the map pool, especially less than a week before the actual tournaments start. Both, Canyon and Yamato, make for horrible gameplay. I advise you guys to listen to your tournament playerbase and remove these maps from the map pool. If you guys were to put up a poll if the playerbase likes the addition of these maps, >95% of people would say “no”.

[flint dome]

Hi, I would really like to be able to do tournaments could someone perhaps friend me and help me join tournaments my wargaming name is Nice_Cat_from_Gold_Keep
Sorry for such the long name I’m waiting to change it

[vivid citrus]

I like the addition of the new maps, though how fun they will be depends on the way teams play. Still wish Normandy was removed or at least have the spawns optimized for tank type.

[spark pumice]

yay!! bad tier 8 maps with terrible map design that makes high level comp play stagnant, unexciting and boring to watch. can’t wait for three krans to mid on canyon every game

[surreal hinge]

Yamato and Himmelsdorf are going to be interesting to see how teams play them (either as a normal pub game or something out of the box). But Canyon is growing on me, it just depends on the perspective of how your team plays the map. The more spicy the strats, the more fun there is to be had on these maps. Perhaps WG is trying to switch the meta on these maps, who knows?

[crisp shore]

Don't miss anything with the biggest match to be streamed on the EU server! It is the winner of Winter Season versus the winner of Spring Season, that is EG- vs. LOCA!! After fighting through a couple of teams throughout the community tournament Blitz Premier Cup Season 2, they are ready to contest for the champion of Blitz Premier Cup!

There is a giveaway in this stream too! Matches begin at 20:00 CEST, that is in 1 hour, commentated by Wildoneshelper. Make sure to show your support to your favourite team!

https://youtu.be/ABTFeUiaMJU

[limber lintel]

They know how to reload clip men, what you mean?
(pls don't remove it's a joke ok?)

[winter swallow]

Dude. Yes. WG do not engage players outside CIS for meaningful tournament feedback.

If you want an esport and are serious about playing a truly competitive game with supportive dev team, you need to find another game.

[winter swallow]

To clarify - have any NA, EU or Asia top 8 - 16 players been consulted by WG regarding tournament format? Dates? Map pool? Prize structure? ... or anything of any kind of equivocal value/technicality?

It is painfully easy for WG to develop a survey and send that to players from the top 32 teams of all servers. 32 teams = 320 players x 4 = 1280 dedicated tournament players that are playing some way decently and with dedication.

WG have a literal captive audience that they can reach via in-game, Discord and email communications at will. It isn't even an issue of GDPR compliance.

Not only do they have full reach to the audience but they can literally filter by relevance and interest.

WG need to start doing targeted focus groups of tournament players to help improve their tournament product.

The current season's schedule (to say nothing of being announced within a week of launch) is just poorly thought through.

You know the new Halo game, the devs said they wanted people to have fun rather than log in like a job/grind for the events - that's the trick the employees of WG are missing. This game might be their job but it is supposed to be our entertainment - not a 2nd job.

[daring swan]

Sirius confirmed that second day of the bronze tourney is round robin to me btw

[sinful crest]

Agreed

[knotty tundra]

I have been summoned

[thorn shale]

Wargaming legit goes to 2 random players who’s never played tournaments, and asks them what should we do with tournament gameplay
Wargamings logic is asking players who don’t play tournaments and asking them why don’t you play tournaments
Instead of asking the actual players, who spend hours a week playing them

[royal cradle]

And sadly wargaming won’t listen to anything being written on here once again as most of the times.

[winter swallow]

^ this tbh.

[supple hearth]

Omg wargaming, nice canyon, what’s next? Mines? It’s gonna be soooooo fun to play!

[atomic tartan]

Dead Rail

[vagrant thicket]

I just hope that the ones that work for WG who read this chat from time to time pass on some of this information instead of just chalking up these discussions as meaningless and glaze over them because we throw a little shade on them or don't always list what we don't agree with kindly

The small things like moving a couple maps around or considering some of our suggestions goes a long way for us

[supple hearth]

This is another example of WG not caring about their players. Please show me 1 tournament player that wants canyon to be added. Literally how do you even come up with this idea, you add so many hulldown tanks into the game like Kranvagn, Yoh and now u add the map where there is a massive hill in the middle of the map? Nice. It’s gonna be a very fun map to play, there is going to me so many different strats! Here, I can already name 1, 3 tanks in mid, 2 tanks on left 2 tanks on right, done.

[vagrant thicket]

stealing that

[modest whale]

hey here's one person who likes it!

[rugged grove]

though how fun they will be depends on the way teams play

[elder coral]

falls creek when?

[rugged grove]

wg said that theyre adding himmelsdorf, canyon, and yamato into the t10 rotation after fixes, does that mean we can expect lost temple to be a t10 map in the fall? mines? when does it end?

wg the comp player community breathes life into your game, and you repay us by trying to make as many of us quit comp as possible? how does that make any sense?

i feel that we are not respected as members of your community, do something right for once and actually ask your players for feedback next time.

[elder coral]

there were fixes? i didnt notice any fixes to the map recently

[spark pumice]

if they’re were fixes they would be getting advertised and leaked to generate excitement and hype around playing the overhauled maps. but there’s been nothing so these maps are coming back into the rotation in their current state and they are going to be terrible to play on with the possible exception of himmelsdorf

[thorn shale]

They obviously have said there were fixes to try and justify such a dumb idea, but there won’t be any fixes in the slightest, otherwise you know, they’d tell us, it’s just a dumb idea wargaming is to arrogant to admit is a wrong idea Cough M60 Cough

[limber lintel]

Honestly, I wouldnt really have minded lost temple, seemed like it could be an interesting map to me

[supple hearth]

He is special, he is the 1% of people that WG is listening to

[modest whale]

I guess so

[sinful crest]

Like bruh just add new maps into the game like they did with Yukon, why do they have to bring these tier 8 maps into tier ten

[daring swan]

Especially 4 days before the season starts

[elder coral]

that is the worst part yeah

[crisp shore]

I do remember pinging Knopka 3 weeks ago I believe asking this same question

[supple hearth]

Its like telling a soccer team that they have finals in 4 days, no sht they wont be prepared. Wargaming, if u really try to make tournaments more active, why is your organization so poor? This just doesnt make any sense, its like saying i wanna be good at something, but im not gonna do anything to achieve that goal.

[daring swan]

We should make a petition to get these maps removed. I just don’t understand why wargaming has to do something to ruin every season. Everything was basically fine until you implemented these 3 maps

[sinful crest]

lol petitions won’t do a thing, did you see what happen with the Sheridan back in autumn 😂

[royal cradle]

If we make petition now we might see changes in 2025

[grave willow]

Himmels is fine, Yamato is a joke, canyon is a mega meh

[elder coral]

if only we knew these things like 2 weeks ago or longer

[spark pumice]

it would at least be better

[proud holly]

You'd think that considering how the majority of active tournament players are against these maps, there's prob a reason why you shouldn't add them back in. 🤡

[dreamy bolt]

I cant struggle to think of strats for those maps but i have no joy in both making strats for and playing those maps, such a poor decision by wargaming and not listening to the tournament players its just really really selfish to be perfectly honest.

[surreal hinge]

Found something interesting, the earliest strat my team has of one of the maps (Himmelsdorf) was on June 5th. We encountered the map while doing a QT on June 4th. After doing research, all 3 maps have been in rotation since June 3rd, or the first summer season QT. (The way you can find the map list for said QTs is if you click on "details" and scroll down until you see the map rotation. It's there for all summer tier 9-10 QTs).

So basically, these maps have been in rotation for about a month before the official announcement of them being introduced into the rotation. And yes, all 3 maps were at tier 10 rotations. 🤔

[thorn shale]

Yeah that’s true, but for them to be 100% in summer season is dumb

Wargaming are the type of people to get feedback off 1,000 people, get that feedback and click “Sort by Most Positive” then base all of their decisions based off the 3 positive results

[flat goblet]

lol

[supple hearth]

Show me the person who’s idea was to bring canyon, i wanna ask them a couple really good questions

[sinful crest]

They fixed the technical problems with the maps💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[modest whale]

Yep the tournament version of canyon is getting the hill in the middle removed 💪

[elder coral]

could you imagine how insane canyon would be with no mid hill? the ultimate snipe fest yikes

[modest whale]

7 183s on each team!

[leaden belfry]

@muted ore could you possibly explain what wg looks at to decide whether a map should be in a tournament rotation or not?

The only "surveys" I've ever seen regarding it are the map picks that happen before some of the big matches in a season, but that's about it

[wet tide]

Man that’s so true that it hurts…

[thorn shale]

It’s just sad Wargaming doesn’t ask the players who play these tournaments what the players think, like across 4 servers, RU, EU, NA and Asia, there’s a hundred or so clans playing competitively, and say there is 100 clans with say 40 people in each on average, that’s 4,000 players with different ideas and opinions, yet Wargaming seems to values little Timmy’s feedback more when Timmy legit says “Canyon is cool because it has snow and water and a bridge that broke”

[austere spruce]

Wait so if you get a ticket to play in silver or gold tourneys after every bronze tournament, you’ll be playing every night for 18 days straight? Am I getting this right?

[thorn shale]

@austere spruce out of the 31 days in July, 21 of them will have tournaments

4 days on, 1 Day Off, 6 Days on, 1 Day Off, 8 Days on for the ascent Tournaments

The Summer Season Time Table @austere spruce
Special thanks to @slender harness for making the graph

[austere spruce]

Thanks @thorn shale but it’s still not a lot of breaks in the first part

[thorn shale]

Yeah it’s an incredibly full on season, it will ultimately come down to a few different things
1, You either play every single tournament available to you
2, You elect a few days when you don’t participate (Calculate the points based on other teams to determine if it’s a good idea)
3, Have a very large roster of players being able to rotate around (This Will also probably hinder your ability to train the team and cause drama on who makes the “Main” team for the tournament)

[jade hornet]

Way too many playing dates tbh. especially since there are summer holidays and many ppl will have to decide everyday about going out in the evening or participating basically EVERY EVENING to have a chance for a good rank

[elder coral]

4th of July comes to mind when you think about big holidays that can slightly interfere at least for those NA players in the US such as myself.

[winter swallow]

Yep. It is insane. One of the worst schedules WG ever put out.

[dreamy bolt]

@muted ore sorry for the ping but i have to ask why you are adding these maps when nobody in the tournament scene wants them, where did you get the idea to add them, who actually told you guys it was a good idea and where did you ask the community for their opinion, like come on…

[thorn shale]

Wargaming didn’t ask anyone, they just did it because they are sped

[proud holly]

What in the world is that schedule. I thought this was about who's the best team, not which team is willing to take away the most amount of time from their lives.

Like yeah most of us are no-lifers anyways but cmon, this is unreasonable

[vital obsidian]

Maybe WG could do a tournament map poll before twister season.

[proud holly]

The day WG will ever do a map poll will be the day WG actually listens to what is stated in the map poll.

[upbeat iris]

When is copperfield being added?

[flat goblet]

Yes, I would like to see mirage personally. Shame there is no supremacy on it.

[rough tusk]

WG on their YouTube community post about asking questions to dev said that they listen to their community. That's clearly a lie. Apart from the one guy here, everyone wants those maps removed. They are either (a) unbalanced for different spawns (b) promotes camping (c) promotes using a large no of super heavies and all of which are neither fun for players or spectators.

Even if they're not listening to the English speaking servers and they only listen to RU server, I can't possibly imagine RU server would be happy with this change. Why can't you acknowledge that you made a mistake and revert back the changes and everyone happy and the players will be happy bc their feedback was taken into consideration.

As a suggestion, you could divide the 20 maps in rotations from the previous seasons into 2 groups of 10 each and keep alternating them across seasons (Maybe keep all 20 for blitz cup). That way 10 maps provides enough variety and the players don't need to train on so many maps

@Sirius#5892

[muted ore]

@dreamy bolt Hey. We choose the maps:

1. Maps that are played at the same level in standard battles (RB, Random)

2. Maps that have been refined and are suitable for tournaments.

3. We try to stick to various maps in tournaments, as restricting the pool to only those popular maps with players may shorten the list of maps and not encourage players to look for new tactical solutions and explore more maps.

[thorn shale]

So basically you’re just saying “We don’t know what we’re doing and were just putting them in rotation because it makes it seem like we have an idea of what to do” gotcha

[upbeat iris]

Look no further than WGL pc to see not all maps in randoms work for competitive for various reasons, that’s where point 1 and “explore more maps” fails. The comp community knows best which maps have interesting gameplay for both the player and the viewer, so why not decide the best X maps with them? You decide X, the players decide the maps.

And restricting the map pool to fewer maps does not stop the search for different ideas as the meta always changes no matter which map is being played to name just one reason.

“Maps have been refined” but no details can be disclosed? Even if it’s some technical fixes you could at least give something for the community to know what “fixes” make a map Cw worthy?

[leaden belfry]

Thank you. Random battles work very differently from tournament battles though, and often the dominant side on tournaments differs from the dominant side in random battles.
After so many tournament seasons and proper tournament data, along with a steady tournament playerbase, would wg consider actually asking feedback from, let's say, at least the top 8 team captains that can discuss it with their teams and all?

I know that Campstilla is usually the map excluded the first or at the very least the most in the map picks, for instance, which, tbh, should tell wg something on its own. But if more detailed feedback would work, then asking the people that play at the highest level would make the most sense

We all understand that a map pool is needed, so you can't exclude all the maps people don't like. But if you want 10 (just an example) maps in a map pool for instance, let the top 8 teams give you their top 10 maps, along with maybe top 3 least favourite maps - with reasoning

[muted ore]

Thank you. If we decide to do such a survey in the future, we will certainly let know.

[leaden belfry]

That'd be grand =)

[thorn shale]

Ahh yes, can’t wait for a Survey on which maps we Want to see in tier 6 rotation

[obtuse hound]

I hope you are aware majority Of the people participating In NA server won’t play on July 4th as it’s a National Holiday?

[thorn shale]

Yeah I’m Australian and even I see that as a really dumb move

[sinful crest]

Yeah I don’t know why WG schedules a tournament for a holiday

[limber lintel]

Looking at point 2), if you just read the chat here a little bit, it is very clear that your tournament playerbase says that these maps are NOT refined/suitable for tournaments,

And clearly the people who will know best what maps are suitable for the tournaments would be THE ACTUAL PLAYERS,

Just read what you are saying there, you say thr maps are suitable, but clearly all your high level and deeply involved tournament players (trust me we're deeply involved otherwise we wouldn't be crying in this chat 24/7) find it a bsd idea,

Why not accept the fact it was a bad decision, instead of saying "we want teams to find new tactical solutions",

[thorn shale]

honestly as a caller, some of the maps that are not as well balanced for tournaments are actually my favourite. i enjoy coming up with ways to beat teams when they think they have the advantage its kinda the whole draw to tournaments for me so depending on personal opinion MonkeyGamer depends on what maps would and would not work not to mention my opinion would seem to back that whole idea of WG getting players to look for other tactical options. A survey on map rotation selection would be great tho. and i like amunets idea of say 8 top picks of players with 3 worst picks throwen into the mix for rotation it would make the majourity happy

[winter swallow]

Surveying tournament players on tournament scheduling and structure would be more important IMO. I can't imagine there are any players that want to play tournaments for 6-7 nights per week... sure, if the payouts were at the level of professional esports which made it career viable then OK... and also if the payouts went further down the ladder than 3rd / 8th place... but for many players the demands of this schedule just aren't worth it.

[sand kernel]

And you can find out when players from Ukraine playing on the Euro server will be able to take part in the season and receive a reward

[limber lintel]

Theres maps that offer a lot more free choice in what you do already in rotation, thats my problem with the maps coming now, you already knwo for canyon it will mainly be B cap contesting, then go C on north side, go A on south side, yamato is contest AB with main heavies, then maybe fiht on the outsidee in C with meds and heaviums

[sinful crest]

Yeah honestly I liked the ascent format for winter and spring a lot more regardless of the WR bs, having to play almost everyday just to qualify into top8 is idiotic. Thankfully most people are on summer break and such so playing almost everyday isn’t so bad but still.

[thorn shale]

Asia server is going to be hell, I mean I’m Australian, 9pm tourney starts, 5am wake ups, this will be one hell of a show

[thorn shale]

I can see what you mean but again its opinion. Yamato for example I focus my main efforts out at c with a more flexible line up normally.

[ember marlin]

I just have a problem with canyon being in the map rotation simply because there really isnt much you can really do on that map other than yolo c and win the brawl
So much of the map is just dead zone especially with the center having so much map control

[wet tide]

Following that logic we would also have mines in the tournament map pool (by the way please do not ever add that)…..

[supple hearth]

Mines for Fall 2021

[upbeat iris]

Copperfield please

[harsh thistle]

Who needs supremecy. Bring on the Mirage game play

[glass thunder]

23 maps is really a lot for tournaments
having less maps for example 10 make u practice more on those maps and have many tactics for them
better than practice few maps and just make fast tactics for others
having more maps = mean tactics less good as teams try make them as fast as they can andhave less time to practice them

[graceful jetty]

23 maps is a lot but the worst part is that during the qualifying tournaments, teams will somehow always get the same map 2 or 3 rounds in a row which hurts a lot, especially when you’re being streamed. @muted ore I hope something has been done to the map selector to ensure the same map won’t appear several rounds in a row. I know it might be the least of your worries but please spare some time for this issue

[surreal hinge]

It still baffles me how these maps have been in rotation for almost an entire month, and they decide that NOW is the time to reveal the new maps. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we never got an announcement concerning these maps at the beginning of summer season QTs. So if top 8-16 teams are not participating in these tourneys (and there are quite a few on NA), how are they supposed to efficiently prepare for these new maps? IMO, this was a total blindside move by WG to stall an official announcement concerning these maps.

Also, as an afterthought, controlling the map list off of the general playerbase and not the playerbase that is active in comp seems like a bit of a logical fallacy to me. Doesn't make sense to base the competitive scene with a majority non-competitive playerbase.

[analog osprey]

I’m really not happy about these maps in cw

[grave willow]

At the end of each season, send a poll to every player that made top 8 and have them vote to decide the map pool for the next season

[daring swan]

Too much work for wargaming

[elder coral]

Still, my biggest issue isn’t even the maps. They may suck and all that, but the worst part still has to be how late it was announced. There has been a full month where it could’ve been announced which would at least give teams time to practice and make more interesting ideas for maps. I’m not going to pretend like I would make interesting plays, but someone might’ve and those plays might’ve proven that these maps are actually not bad (unlikely). As it is, most teams are probably going to be forced into running very generic strats that lead to more boring games in the end.

[flat goblet]

It doesn’t even matter though, even with 3 months advance notice I could never see myself playing pretty much every night for 3 weeks straight. That is actually an abysmal schedule.

[elder coral]

I was specifically talking about the maps. You are correct though. The schedule is a whole other beast which is probably more grotesque than a worm infested bull carcass

[daring swan]

Why do you need a second day for round robin? Just make it one day where first and second get gold tickets and 3rd and 4th get silver tickets

[narrow meteor]

@flat goblet why play when they can watch your cute self stream 😏

[elder coral]

I know the bois in cruel love when you stream our games. Only time we’ve taken games from top teams was when you were watching lol

[harsh thistle]

@brave niche is it possible to talk to you about the possibility for streaming for NA this summer season?

[wet tide]

@muted ore Hello, I have a question. Will there be any changes regarding the ‘2 players max from different regions for the final tournament’ rule?

[coral summit]

hello

[flat goblet]

😅

[coral summit]

hey wsup guys

[odd basalt]

🎣

[civic glacier]

@sinful crest big monkey eating

[sinful crest]

@civic glacier monkey eating big

[tulip finch]

Didn't ask

[terse perch]

UwU

[supple hearth]

@sinful crest how does it will to have 40k battles and not having a veteran role, oh ye I forgot, ur WR is too low

[sinful crest]

I’ve only been playing the game for a year and a half. I’m close to 5k battles this month!

[thorn shale]

Year and a half and only 5k? Damn I moved over to Asia and I have almost 12,000 in less then a year

[sinful crest]

No silly!!! I’m saying I’m close to 5 thousand battles played just in June alone!!! @thorn shale

[thorn shale]

Ah, I see

[modest whale]

(doubt)

[sinful crest]

im not lying silly @modest whale i deserve veteran role xd lol

[oak oar]

So many mastery badge!uhh!

[supple hearth]

No that’s a very small amount considering how many battles he has

[sinful crest]

Thanks good players recognize each other!!

[oak oar]

I started this month I have only 4 badge

[supple hearth]

Even I have more, and I have 3 times less battles then u bot

[sinful crest]

let’s go ! @oak oar

[thorn shale]

@sinful crest Vindicator where?

[cobalt pebble]

Yo guys I heard UNION on NA was going to sweep the competition this season, better watch out 💩💩

[sinful crest]

@thorn shale Give me veteran role please.

[thorn shale]

@cobalt pebble no one, I mean no one, can rotate ARL’s like UNION

[proud holly]

Tier 6 Champions!

[supple hearth]

I mean, with the amount of teams thats going to be playing this summer season on NA, UNION defintely has chances of getting top 16.

[elder coral]

that is so true, how many teams have already said they arent going to play?

[muted ore]

Hello. Maps are randomly selected and so a repeat map may fall out.

[muted ore]

Hello. No.

[daring swan]

@muted ore will anything make you guys reconsider adding the 3 maps back? I can tell you basically all your tournament players do not agree with the three maps being added agains

[muted ore]

No, the maps in question will be available this season.

[vital obsidian]

@muted ore will twister season start in mid September or when?

[muted ore]

Hi. Yes, around this time. We will provide details of the Autumn season at a later date.

[vital obsidian]

thank you! The EU community tour BPC, if held in end of August, should not crash with Twister then 👌

[dreamy bolt]

Hmm no

[pliant peak]

60TP incoming for autumn season 🦔

[rough tusk]

Huh? Isn't it twister, winter, spring and summer? I don't think there's an autumn season

[modest whale]

Good job!!

[pliant peak]

Yes, twister. : P

[limber lintel]

Maybe no twister season cus of corona, hmmm

[fallow turret]

At least we get Wednesday off

[wet tide]

@muted ore hello, I have a question. On the bronze tournaments it says they are 2 days each, even though in the news section it only says there are awards for the group stage. Does that mean people first knock eachother out on the first day (for which are no rewards) and then there’s a group stage on the 2nd day? Or how are the tournaments structured, I simply don’t know because of my in-experience the last time this way of qualifying was used, sorry.
From the amount of places teams can have you would say there are 3 battles to be fought (from 8 teams to 4, from 4 to 2 and from 2 to 1). Maybe those battles are done on both days? Idk..

[muted ore]

Hello, there will only be one stage - group. It will run for two days. That's where the awards will be given out.
Round Robin. 8 teams per group.

[wet tide]

Oke, thanks for the reply!

[crisp shore]

I predicted the format correctly I suppose? 😂

[scenic thorn]

who's gonna win the euro2020 Mr. Predictable 🥴

[wet tide]

Ya might aswell have jinxed it lmao

[vital delta]

I think that you need to do something about the lac of teams during the period of Quick-tournaments.

[jaunty nexus]

Question regarding the qualifying tournaments: does the team playing the Silver/Gold series tournament have to consist of the same set of players that played in the bronze one? Cause I saw that the Silver/Gold tokens are given individually unlike the cups

[harsh thistle]

@brave niche I dont want to keep pinging, but I would really like to stream summer season, and if I wont be able to I would like to know. Is there anything I need to provide you at all? I would really like to discuss this,

[crisp shore]

He is probably busy at the moment with DMs and such. If you aren't able to reach him through DMs, probably it's best to wait but I hope he should be able to get back soon!

[proud holly]

Does this mean that the actual playtime, in which we fight in tournament rooms, is allocated towards only the 1st day of the bronze series?

[sinful crest]

Yeah he didn’t answer me either, he’s probably busy atm

[limber lintel]

Nvm prob like 4 3, 4 games one day 3 the other

[proud holly]

44 what

[modest whale]

I think he's been trying to get in contact with darth for like a week now

[elder coral]

I know he’s has a reputation for getting back to people very late about these sorts of things. At this point, I’d say it’s unlikely but not impossible.

[graceful jetty]

If theres group of 8 teams then u can only have 7 rounds of matches

[proud holly]

Huh. I guess the bronze tournaments are gonna follow the round robin format.

[harsh thistle]

Unfortunately he has dms off so the only way I have a chance of connecting is bugging him here. I don't want to be a bother but I just want at least to have him say no so I don't have to think about it anymore

[harsh thistle]

Thanks for trying.

And yes to the other person who said I've been trying for a week. That is true I have

[thorn shale]

Yes, if you played in the bronze tour you will get a ticket for the gold tour, but there is 2 opportunities to get gold tickets before each gold/silver tournament

[terse perch]

Some invites are not reaching to everyone, hopefully this can be fixed

[broken marsh]

fghx

[sinful crest]

can we please not play on July fourth, half of my team cannot play on that day can you guys adjust it for the NA server. I’m sure it’s just not my team with the same issue. Also considering it’s a national holiday for the whole NA server.@muted ore

[elder coral]

🙋‍♂️

[spark pumice]

@muted ore I second this statement and also a majority of my team is likely unavailable due to the national holiday

[maiden anvil]

hi murcruy!

[daring swan]

@muted ore I third this statement. Majority of my team won’t be available

[open zealot]

I fourth this statement, it would be nice!

[grave willow]

Fifth this statement

[odd wolf]

6th

[wide gyro]

7th

[analog robin]

i agree

[supple hearth]

I don’t want to play tournament, when I can spent time with my family

[vale matrix]

imagine having this problem lol

[red vapor]

I disagree.

[indigo gorge]

If anyone has time to play on the fourth you’re a sad sad hooman. Plz reschedule

[terse perch]

Actually do host the tourney on July 4th, Independence day is actually July 2

[proven birch]

Yes please move it from July 4th

[ancient shard]

i agree with your opinion

[spark pumice]

Guys ping sirus to make sure his attention is on this very important issue

[sinful crest]

We all have to play almost everyday in this season, at the very least give us our holiday time.

[short stratus]

nobody has time for fourth of july tournaments, please reschedule

[thorn shale]

Yes please move it from July 4th

[scenic gyro]

Please move it from july 4th @muted ore, you can push the tournaments into an extra day in august, ping sirius in ur msg

[orchid spear]

no bronze tourney on july 4th pls

[thorn shale]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-22136998

[sinful crest]

there’s so many bronze tournaments any way, you can simply have the whole NA server skip this one (3rd and the 4th)and resume again on July 5-6th

[analog robin]

lol

[lusty flint]

L schedule

[stark patio]

How about we just move Independence Day to July 2nd and keep the tournament at the designated time

[supple hearth]

Too much work to do in 2 days for WG

[proud holly]

Affirmative!

[terse perch]

There should be tournament in July 4th, a revolution against the US is needed

[thorn shale]

https://tenor.com/view/buck-teeth-funny-teeth-patrick-star-sponge-bob-square-pants-sponge-bob-gif-5218336

[grim vine]

hey whats ur guys' opinion on the tournament date!? 🤔

[elder coral]

hello

[civic glacier]

@thorn shale post monkey eating u won’t

[terse perch]

The date is good. All dates are good.

[loud estuary]

Bro, not everyone lives their life through wotb

[thorn shale]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-monkey-gorilla-eating-gorrilla-stops-eating-monkey-eating-gif-21554180

[analog robin]

hahaha!

[weak skiff]

please someone take me in for a season coins tour, reallly want free tonk UwU

[sinful crest]

Save us all and let us skip the first bronze tourney

[supple hearth]

Wouldn’t they have to do same thing for other servers aswell though?

[proud holly]

Meh, the schedule's already overloaded anyways.

[sinful crest]

No they wouldn’t have to I think @supple hearth

[grave willow]

Move the tournament or the US invades Belarus

[cobalt pebble]

Reschedule the tourney please, nobody wants to play on July 4th

[candid lance]

Do you have to play a certain amount of Games in the Bronze/Silver/Gold Tourneys to be able to play in Pros or Challangers this season

[sinful crest]

@candid lance in order to play in challengers your team needs to finish the qualifiers in 9-16th place in the cup leaderboard, if you wanna play in pros you have to get top8 this season

[open zealot]

Yes only the best of the best top 32 get the honor to compete in such high stakes tournaments

[zealous trellis]

no game for 4 of July

[terse perch]

Don’t move the tournament or I eat your doggo

[elder coral]

Wikipedia bad

[elder coral]

🗿

[merry blade]

@muted ore can we please not have tournament on the 4th?

[gilded pendant]

^^

[sinful crest]

^^^

[elder coral]

i hope we can change it, but i am not going to believe that it wont happen

[obtuse hound]

@muted ore There will be a Massive Decline of People showing up to the tournies in NA server in July 4th due to it being a national Holiday in America. Please reschedule

[muted ore]

@merry blade @obtuse hound Hello, the tournaments take place on the same dates, in all regions, not just in the USA. For example, the 3rd of July is Independence day in our country, but there will be a tournament.
We will not postpone the tournament. If you can't play on the 4th of July, that's fine, just come to the next tournament.

[obtuse hound]

It’s just an unfortunate thing. I guess.
I’m almost certain 90% of all teams in NA won’t play on that day

[winter swallow]

@muted ore Why has WG made the schedule so demanding/busy?

There are so few off days for players to balance participating in the tournament with their other commitments.

[muted ore]

The schedule is exactly like this because of the introduction of new series with random seeding. All this has been done to avoid problems with 100% accounts.

[winter swallow]

While WG should be commended for trying to tackle abuse of the previous and poorly designed seeding system - fixing one problem but introducing another isn't great.

If I can ask you personally, do you have 6 evenings free per week to commit several hours to undertaking team activities with voice communications that prevent you from being with friends and family and doing other things?

I think if you had consulted the players over your plans - WG could have fixed WR seeding and not created tournament schedule which is unrealistic in terms of how much time it asks of people to compete in.

[limber lintel]

are you suggesting we should have a life instead of playing blitz every evening for more than 2 hours? HERESY!!!

[sinful crest]

Exactly, and plus it’s such a waste of time for the professional teams that 9 times out of ten will always make top8, not only do I have to spend 80 percent of July playing this game but I’ll be having to play lower caliber teams for the most part which isn’t fun. I would 100% rather have people spam the 100% wr accounts and play 4 times a week than having to play 6 days a week and dealing with the random seeding. This feels more like a job now instead of playing for enjoying the game.

Having to play almost every day for a month straight will only cut it for most of us this summer since we’re all on summer break, but if wargaming does this for fall when people will have mid terms and life going back to normal autumn seasons competitiveness will go down the drain.

[forest matrix]

Please note that WG saved July 14th actually showing they know what are the great nations of our world 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 o7
😋

[forest matrix]

Pls add reactions to the channel so that I can put a massive thumbs up on rolling swarm message that says it all

[glass thunder]

@muted ore all bronze /silver/ gold tournaments are round robine?

[muted ore]

Bronze - RR, Silver and Gold - SE+DE

[glass thunder]

thank u

[thorn shale]

That makes no sense in the absolute slightest, you say the problems with 100% accounts, which is what Random seeding fixes, so why make this schedule different? Like what you basically just said this schedule was made to combat 100% accounts, but random seeding is here to combat them, you guys don’t know what you’re doing up there and its sad

[muted ore]

Different schedule because of the other qualifiers.
Instead of one series, there are now three different ones.

[thorn shale]

Well why make 3 different series? 6-8 Ascents work just as well, or if you guys absolutely need to change the layout of the season why not just do 1 Day Bronze and 1 Days Golds/Silvers, one ascent tournament does the same job as One Bronze and Gold/Silver, you guys made what could be done in 2 days in 4 days…

[patent quartz]

can you guys fix the tournament invites issues???

[muted ore]

We are working on it.

[daring swan]

@muted ore I hope you are ready to see maybe like 8-10 teams participating on July 4th

[upbeat iris]

Does WG need to keep track of all national holidays etc?

[daring swan]

@upbeat iris well they should if they want us to play like everyday. At least make the off day on the national holiday. This season is already too much playing

[upbeat iris]

What would you do in europe then? How many days do they need to make off days?

[eager tinsel]

@muted ore no one will have time to play july 4th is a national holiday meant to be spent with family not a game, can you please push back the tournament.

[runic pier]

Looking for a team for coins. Im player touch/pc
Wr +65 , +19k battels,- 2.1k avg , EU , ING soneX___ pm me here or in game if you have slot ( interesting for t10 but can play to t8 2)

[slender harness]

there are 5 other chances to earn a gold ticket for 3 gold tournaments, pushing it back will mean moving the entire summer season for NA by one day. It may seem fine but you would have to code everything again im sure which might be simple or not depending on how wg set it

one bronze tour = 2000 cups
one gold = 11.8k maximum

just a matter of gold/silver tickets i see thats the problem
you dont have to play all 6 bronze tours when the goal is 3 gold tickets (unless you want every point literally)

[upper oar]

while this is true, couldn’t the Summer Season have started a week earlier in order to avoid scheduling tournaments on this weekend?

also Belarus has a population of <10 million people, while the United States has a population of 328 M people, and makes up the majority of the NA server. even though it may not seem “fair”, it would make a lot of logistical sense to avoid scheduling tournaments when the majority of a server is celebrating their country’s biggest holiday

[jaunty nexus]

Thanks for the reply, didn’t realize there were two. Could two different teams from one clan therefore compete in the gold/silver one?

[daring swan]

Yeah that is an issue I discovered when the format came out. How will a clan be stopped from having a team in silver and a team in gold on the same tourney days

[analog osprey]

Us is British
Ntm sportsak

[placid matrix]

Funny

[proud holly]

Think it only measures the “highest point gain” done under the clan tag.

[supple hearth]

Of course it’s fine, you can miss one day and not make the top 8.

[merry blade]

smh alright then

[proud holly]

What's the point of having a tournament intended to exhibit skill when it's only going to exhibit who's willing to chip away time from their holidays. It's actually unbelievable

[winter swallow]

The obvious solution is to ditch July 4th celebrations and rejoin the empire.

That would be easier and less controversial than designing a logical tournament format it seems 🤭

Jk.

I think NA tournament players should group together and sign a petition + hold a poll. If you can get a solid majority of verified players all asking for the same thing (which is literally just one date change) - there's no reason why WG can't or shouldn't adapt the format other than not wanting to/not respecting their tournament clients.

@Frostbite#7267 if someone from NA can do that leg work I can forward to Thaine who might be more sympathetic about 4th Juky celebrations.

[strong latch]

Can someone give a short summary of things work? Never played a tournament before and would like to get into them.

[daring swan]

@proud holly but what if a clan takes place in two different tourneys - silver and gold @winter swallow it’s too late they won’t budge

[proud holly]

Either way, I think the session in which the most cups were gained, will be recorded, whether that session was in the gold or silver. @daring swan

This is assuming that both gold and silver take place under the same timeframe.

[daring swan]

Hopefully

[cobalt pebble]

and WG wonders why pro players quit blitz so often, what kind of person puts a tournament on a holiday celebrated by near half a billion people? Oh right, WG, so now half the NA is at jeopardy on whether to ditch family to get top 8 or spend time with family and not place shit, some bullshit as I see it. How do people not see the flaws??

[proud holly]

The argument here according to WG is that there are other national/religious holidays that occur under this period as well so we naturally all must suck it up together.
Osneven

[cobalt pebble]

WG really knows how to make people come together to fight them

[rough tusk]

Imagine if Chinese/Hk players made the same argument and forced WG to changed the dates. Except our population is 4x the population of USA. You're not that important. Get over it. You wanna spend time with ur family? Skip the tour. Its called the NA server, not USA server. You dont see people of other nationalities complaining. Sit down

@daring swan im not the one whos crying. Its annoying to see dozens of messages asking them to change dates as if US is the one and only country in the entire world and all of us dont have anything better to do.

[daring swan]

@rough tusk mad cause bad

[merry blade]

honestly, i was thinking of trying to boycott the 4th, however i dont know how many players who would be willing to do that

[south estuary]

Rest of the world don t give a ...about ur hollydays

[elder coral]

There are three levels of the tournament; you have bronze, silver, and gold. As is common sense, the bronze is the lowest (will earn less rewards towards winning the season) and gold is the highest. Bronze tournament is a group of 8 teams that will play in a round robin style group stage with each team playing each other once over the course of two days. After those two days, the teams will get gold/silver tickets depending on their placement within the group (I don’t know exactly what place gets what reward). Then the silver and gold tournaments are regular single elimination/double elimination (not about which they are).

[slim blade]

(Brief summary)
There are many different types of tournament,
Quick tours are ur typical Friday night do-for-fun thing, basically there are 5 rounds and u fight teams for bo3, nothing special

Coin tours are seasonal, u get placed in a group of 16 and each match half the teams are eliminated down to the finals

Then there are large scale season tournaments, where clans compete in many tours across the season. Depending on how they do they earn points, the top 16 clans with the most points then go and fight each other (the very compressed version)

• probably a bunch of details I missed out

[limber lintel]

guys be careful removing people from team for the registration for bronze tour, it just deletes the whole team, 😂

[daring swan]

Yeah I can’t apply or see the invitation I was sent

[wicked sigil]

Hello colleagues, how can I keep up with a good tank because I do not recharge gold

[elder coral]

If you mean make credits, don’t play certain tier 10s that hemorrhage credits. Honestly play any tier 8. That’s the most credit efficient tier imho.

[narrow meteor]

What if we play the tourney on the 4th to represent our patriotism 😏

[tardy bay]

Hello all

[proud holly]

I'm sorry that you feel offended by our region's desire to celebrate our country 😔

[echo gulch]

Good thing Canada Day is July 1st so we Canadians got no problems with the scheduling

[slender harness]

skip one bronze tour worth 2000 cups at most
you still have 5 other bronze tours to earn 3 gold/silver tickets
gold tour gives - 11.8k max
silver tour gives - 8.3k max

[daring swan]

When ur going for top 8, 2k cups is a lot

[slender harness]

that is true, but i also believe that playing all 6 bronze is harder for the team than playing 3-4 at good condition than going for the endurance method

[silver vapor]

All signs pointing towards wargaming encouraging muti roster clans rather than a single powerful rostered clan

[graceful jetty]

^ US isnt the center of the world. Please just suck it up

[red vapor]

Hello everyone!

[terse perch]

Hello

[daring swan]

@muted ore why does the tournament registration close at 11 am? Most teams won’t be registered until an hour or two before the tournament

[proud holly]

Wow this is dumb

[daring swan]

^^^ a day and half in advance

[vagrant thicket]

wasn’t it longer?

[modest whale]

everyone trash talking wg this season 😔

[proud holly]

They're making it easy

[grizzled minnow]

At least that hellcat kinda good and nice, lol

[vivid citrus]

registration has been open longer than PYS tournaments lol

[elder coral]

yeah but that plus people maybe not sure about plans for the 3rd and 4th is really strange. there is not need to have registration close over 24 hours before the start of the tournament

[proud holly]

What's the reason to have registration finish so early tho, especially since the grouping for the bronze series tournaments are said to be randomly assigned

[upper oar]

@graceful jetty @rough tusk both of you miss the point entirely. no one, certainly not Americans, would expect you to be excited to play tournaments on your nation’s largest holiday. its not about making an exception for the US. its about not scheduling tournaments on major holidays for countries.

the point made by me and several other people from the US is that Wargaming should not expect many teams from NA to participate in tournaments on the 4th of July. its their own mistake to schedule tournaments on that day

[gilded pendant]

100%

[slender harness]

its july 2 11pm utc+8 for us in asia, are you sure thats 11am?

[daring swan]

@slender harness you are in different time zones than us? We have 3 times zones

[proud holly]

Our Registration closes in 12 hrs

[graceful jetty]

You cant expect them to take into account every national holiday of every country when organising a tournament. Its not feasible when its an international tournament. Most days in July have independence days for a large number of countries and tournaments would have to be not be scheduled for any of them meaning summer would basically not exist

[slender harness]

ours is actually also in 12 hours, did wargaming set all servers to finish registration at the same time despite being in different time zones?

[elder coral]

thats very likely and very stupid

[modest whale]

You could also just have a different schedule per server :v

[upper oar]

the point made by me and several other people from the US is that Wargaming should not expect many teams from NA to participate in tournaments on the 4th of July. its their own mistake to schedule tournaments on that day

@graceful jetty i think you missed this part. when 70-80% of your players from a region all come from 1 country (and more like 80%+ of tournament players), expecting those players to play on their largest national holiday is a foolish expectation. based on your first message, there seems to be a bit of bias towards the US as well. no one said anything about the world revolving around the US, besides you. WG is free to schedule tournaments when and how they wish. It’s just a mistake to think that we will be participating in it as usual

[upper oar]

^^ this as well. was it not possible to start the first Bronze tournament a day or two earlier to free up the 4th? clearly it wasn’t, with the apparent lack of preparation of the tournaments by WG as demonstrated again

[elder coral]

this is also not a bad idea, its not like having tournaments on the exact same day for each server is super important. its not European, Russian, NA, and Asian teams competing against each other. all the servers are completely separate in terms of team pools.

[rough tusk]

So you're saying US is more important than other countries bc a lot of players are from there? You sure have a sense of entitlement, don't you?

Why not accommodate every public/national holiday in 200+ nations in the world and make the season 6 months long instead?🤡🤡🤡

Also, I don't think WG could care if the top teams skip on bronze tour. It doesn't affect them at all. Only the teams fighting for 6-8 spots will get screwed and that's their decision to make. Play or spend time with friends/family. I don't deny that the scheduling is horrible with so many match days but changing the schedule to accommodate one country is stupidity

[modest whale]

Yep, would take a bit more effort from wgs side but I think it'd have more benefits

[modest whale]

You don't need to change the schedule for everyone just for na
Frosts point is most na tourney players come from the us so it's not really that entitled to be asking for a schedule change

[graceful jetty]

Excuse me for getting a bit biased when an international chat has been spammed with messages about 1 countries national holiday for 2 days straight when literally nobody else who isnt from said country cares about it.
I understand that the schedule is way too hectic but as it turns out, you have a tournament on ur national holiday. Suck it up and play or dont play. Next time there shouldnt be such a packed schedule in the first place

[rough tusk]

Thiss^^

But mate, leave them alone. They're selfish and only think about themselves. I've realized that from the replies to my comment.

[elder coral]

name me an occasion where 80% of asia server players would be unable to play and then when there is an important tournament set right on top of that time we will tell you these issues are unimportant and you bringing them up is being self centered

[flat goblet]

I get it now. WG gives info on dates very late so there is no time to back out and no time to adjust the dates 🧠

[harsh thistle]

@brave niche Lol, imma try again. Can we talk about the possibility of me streaming. or can i at least get a no so i can stop trying? Id like to stream for NA. Please and thank you

[modest whale]

Answer him he's been trying for ages 😔

[rough tusk]

On a bright side, if 4th July tour gets rescheduled, maybe the Aussies and NZ can also rebel and get the tour times changed for Asia so they don't have to play at midnight. we definitely don't cry about this

@slender harness exactly. They do it all the time without complaining. These people can adjust one day or skip the tour without crying

[slender harness]

this is a far more suitable reason than once a year holiday, the aussies and kiwis have to play at insane times every day of the year

[harsh thistle]

thanks lol

[worthy island]

Wakt did the seeding change

[proud holly]

genius!

[slender harness]

random seeding for entire summer season

[thorn shale]

@sinful bridge

[merry blade]

next time wg should do what any company does, keep a good relationship with your consumers and not plan on holidays

[proud holly]

And maybe disclose information at a time that gives everybody the proper amount of time to prepare 🥰

[upper oar]

missing a single bronze tournament could prevent a top 8 team from making the top 8 again

well at least they admit their bias

if you don’t want to read about players being rightfully upset, i would recommend shutting your eyelids. our complaint is with WG, not you.

by the way, the only comparable region with this issue is RU. Russia is the supermajority country in RU (like how US is with NA), with a few countries like Belarus, Kazakhstan, and other previous USSR countries. if there was a tournament scheduled for Russia’s largest national holiday, there would be outrage, and rightfully so

China has their own server, and EU/Asia are made up of a bunch of other countries

[vital obsidian]

@muted ore 14 teams registered on EU and 8 hours remining. My guess nobody expected tournament to close registration so early. People work/are in school, and cant do nothing during daytime. Is it any possibilities to prolong the registration until tomorrow? there seem be invite bug also...

[elder coral]

yeah i noticed with my team that some invites have not been getting sent/not able to be accepted and you have to revoke the invite and have the person apply to the team which is just slightly annoying

[vital obsidian]

The invited need also first be kicked from invite list, then re-invited, you cant leave invite list by yourself so teamcreator need do that. And then we need hope both are not offline during work hours today

[fallow turret]

Invites haven't been working the last month

[worn marten]

wht does it mean? 100 wr accs are now pointless? pls sb explain me

[slender harness]

random seeding means all teams will not be favoured by the algorithm in any way hence "random" seeding

[worn marten]

so teamms will be distributed to groups rabdomly? i thought tht random seeding applies after group stage

[sinful crest]

Yup and NA has an amazing 13…

[graceful jetty]

We had the chinese new year during winter season. Top teams with many players who celebrate that holiday couldnt play and many other teams struggled to make it. Whats better, a tournament set on a day which singles out clans whose player majority comes from a certain culture/country, or a tournament set on a day which collectively screws everyone up. Obviously neither of these events are good but i would much rather have the latter since then most teams would remain on equal standing

[elder coral]

did people complain? if they didnt they shouldve

[graceful jetty]

Maybe we will next time depending on how u guys do.
Why dont u guys make a petition or something on change.org instead of spamming the chat or organise a boycott.
It was fine for like the first day but obviously they dont care and its just getting real annoying now

[upbeat iris]

Planning tournaments in EU would become fun if national holidays need to be taken in account.

[thorn shale]

I want to play tournament

[frosty nexus]

Summer Season very densely filled by tournaments this year. In case if we change the date of the second day of Bronze series from July 4th we have the situation that the only day to hold it - Monday. Than we have to shift next Bronze series from Monday to Tuesday and Wednesday and that means that it will be hold at the same time with other tournament we are planning and players will be upset that most of them have to choose between two interesting tournaments.

We are ready to don't set up tournaments on the days of international holidays but in case if we will make attention on all regional holidays it would be so problematic to hold seasons at all.

For example, at July 3rd we also celebrate Independence day in Belarus. Other countries have their own holidays at the different days (especially Europe).

You know, the questions like that lies at the part of personal time management. If you're 100% sure that you're busy at the day of tournament - submit information about this to your team and all of you have to decide will you participate or not, does the team change players set up with reserve players.

[rough tusk]

Fully support wg's decision to not bow down to stupid demands. Well done guys. Atleast you got this one right

[rocky crystal]

This was from about 15 mins ago and im in PST. So i have to “register my team” at 8am in the morning or else we miss chance to play? Theres only 16 teams that are registered rn and those who dont check the registration time will miss it. I had to put our reserve players in alongside my alts just to register

[vital obsidian]

@frosty nexus please consider prolong the registration time for bronze. Less than 6 hours remining in EU and only 14 teams, and invite bugs make it very diifcult to get more teams on

[rocky crystal]

This already caught ppl off guard, if i didnt check this channel i wouldnt have known about early registration. Invite glitches are annoying because i always gotta get on every 30 mins to inv someone just for it to not work etc. Then the July 4 issue…

[limber lintel]

I mean, why is it even closed the day before at 5CET+- I believe it is for EU, not sure, we registered already, but that's more than 24 hours before the games start,

And since it's random seeding, I don't see that it could be the algorithm taking such a long time to create the groups, even if there was a specific seeding, it surely wouldn't take 24 hours lol, it's just so weird to do it so early

[chilly hemlock]

It just shows a lack of attention to detail but then again, what do you expect from a company that buffed tanks just days before an international offline?

It’s not the first time that poor decisions over scheduling in na has happened. I distinctly remember shifting tournament times to help the west coast which mean east coast players were up past 12 or 1 am which isn’t possible for a lot of kids on a school night

[steel shell]

15 teams is meme ngl 😂😂

[slender harness]

its actually depressing that that number is normal in asia

[sinful crest]

I thought spring szn was bad but even then there was still 30-40 teams every ascent now when there’s barely enough teams for two random seeding groups that’s just a recipe for disaster

[rocky crystal]

^

[vital obsidian]

*16 xD
And people accept invites and are not in team, or they cant see invites, or they cant accept and cant leave invite list

[steel shell]

This has been here since autumn 😂😂 just try again

[slender harness]

delete invites and just manually join, then let commander accept

[crisp shore]

There are more registered clans on Asia than on EU what?

[jade hornet]

well with the bug and early registration that ends in 4h i think we‘ll have max 4 groups xd

[limber lintel]

there's another bug also, when I removed one player from team cus they couldn't make it, it deleted team, be careful of that lol

[vital obsidian]

Last season PYS we had more than 100 team now 20?

[burnt glacier]

@limber lintel @jade hornet
WG's registration goes brrrrrr

[limber lintel]

last season we had,
105 teams PYS#1
101 teams PYS#2
77 teams PYS#3
80 teams PYS#4
63 teams PYS#5
74 teams PYS#6

[jade hornet]

ez top20 for us. finally xd

[burnt glacier]

@crisp shore
Shhhhh
WG just want to let us chill from them game
Big brain time

[upbeat iris]

In the past, loads of teams registered last second so just wait for it.

[limber lintel]

currently:
CIS 85
ASIA 21
EU 18
NA 16

really epic lol

[steel shell]

i would like to know how come that some basic thing such as tourney inviting doesnt work

[crisp shore]

Asia becoming 2nd most active server in CW confirmed 😛

[chilly hemlock]

Wonder why na is so low?👀

[burnt glacier]

@steel shellnothing
Just accept that it's feature, not bug in this game

[steel shell]

yeah the same goes for tourney room invites bug xD which has been "feature" for nearly year as well

[burnt glacier]

Let's go for WG's survey
I'm sure it will help
WG will think smth like
"Mhm players carry about tournament bug, let's put more avatars in game"

[steel shell]

maybe more avatars= more bugs..i mean features

[winter swallow]

WG planned an entire product release and store sales/PR event around 4th July celebrations.

WG as a company literally knows how important this holiday is to the large majority of the NA server.

It seems absurdly hypocritical to push a unique sales event around a national independence day but then say they can't make tournaments reflect this event.

So I presume we will also be getting independence day celebration events for other counties? Eh?

To clarify - I think in the instance where a server has an IRL holiday that affects a significant majority of the players, exceptions for that server can be made.

Like I don't expect EU tournament dates to change. But it would be fair to move NA tournaments off the 4th July.

@rough tusk - re: Lunar New Year - that's the same as Christmas events. More thaN one country celebrates it...

[rough tusk]

Um yea? Ever heard of lunar new year celebration and events?

[vagrant thicket]

^ this

[winter swallow]

@rough tusk nice try though.

[chilly hemlock]

Idk why someone from Asia is so concerned with na lol

[odd wolf]

Cause he wants us to “stop crying”

[forest matrix]

@frosty nexus please consider shifting the registration time - honestly we are pretty much into CW and it is by pure chance we saw we had to register so early unlike any other tournament. Many clans will be trapped by such an early registration closure

[sinful crest]

Whopping 17 teams registered which leaves two brackets for NA, hopefully all the previous top8 teams get matched in the same bracket for the memes

[vagrant thicket]

Registration opens 72 hours before the tournament
Registration closes 34 hours before tournament
Why does the closure period need to be so long?

[vital obsidian]

What willl happen when people still play bronze 1 and they need be registered in bronze 2 🙄 can they be in 2 tournaments same time

[slender harness]

bronze 1 going to end 2 hours before bronze 2 registration ends

[vagrant thicket]

there's two bronze tournaments?

[vital obsidian]

6

[supple hearth]

It’s too hard to make bracket for 17 teams kekw

[toxic bridge]

wow. I didn’t even realize that the registration is more then 24h before… wont be able to make a team now. Whats the reason for such a long registration period?

[burnt glacier]

@toxic bridgehard seeding system which is making random games
WG's servers spend on it over 24h

[slender harness]

huh? it says bronze 1 has teams in groups of 8, yet the groups are in 4. Is something wrong?

[dim pivot]

so apparently on asia, the registration is closed and the groups have been made

funny thing is, all groups are of either 3 or 4 teams, so basically everyone gets either a gold/silver ticket

the groups are supposed to be of 8 teams

also, asia did have more than 8 teams fyi

[graceful jetty]

Good news, that means NA won’t have any problem with 4th July since there most likely won’t be a 2nd day

[burnt glacier]

@limber lintelEz top-64 btw

[dim pivot]

cant complain tho, the schedule was hectic, this reduces the play time of bronze tournies atleast (even tho its probably a mistake)

[slender harness]

i will admit having groups of 4 is better than groups of 8 yes

wait NA, EU and RU has groups of 8

[daring swan]

@graceful jetty we have groups of 7

[dim pivot]

NA's registration is closed? @daring swan

[carmine solstice]

How many teams did NA get

[narrow meteor]

I actually think this format is really good, it’s just more teams need to register

[daring swan]

@carmine solstice 22. Group 1 is easier than all the others

[upbeat iris]

Summer+super intensive = fewer interested clans

@carmine solstice 43

[carmine solstice]

@upbeat iris EU got low 40s for registration?

[fervent light]

Why did the registration already close?!? I thought it was tomorrow a few hours before the start of it

[velvet dome]

WG:

[dim pivot]

this mite get deleted but 7/7

[strange spruce]

Nice group 6 lol

[scenic thorn]

group 6 = group F from EURO2020

[burnt glacier]

@strange spruceCheck ours
Group of death
Muahahahahahah

[velvet dome]

All of group F got knocked out. Press F for respect

[past marlin]

Random seeding :D

[cobalt pebble]

I am EU server, but I still see this as a injustice, please stop being a insensitive bot

[vivid citrus]

lol it's good more teams can get tickets to play in gold or silver tourneys, that way actually decent teams play for the highest points, rather than a bunch of teams making big points off of win rate boosting.

[proud holly]

My team missed registration and now I’m sad.

[red vapor]

Unfortunate.

[slim socket]

Damn now you won't be able to play on July 4, how sad

[cobalt pebble]

Asia server pissy at NA because they are the worst server year round

Also on NA, teams like —G— will get free wins because they aren’t based in USA, and have free reign over majority of NA teams, even tho they aren’t even 60%. Solely because majority of NA won’t play on Sunday

@N.Z.#1459 I doubt most teams are going to actually play Sunday besides the basement dwellers with no life

[proud holly]

They’re def not going to have free reign over the majority of teams that managed to register

[vivid glen]

independence day is not an NA exclusive holiday. independence is a huge affair for almost every country, and every country and region has their own huge holidays. even during chinese new years, asian teams were playing and chinese new years is pretty much an entire month long holiday where people go around visiting not just their own families but their friends families as well. pretty unreasonable to demand that the date be shifted exclusively for NA because NA has a huge holiday because this sets the precedent that WG should do the same for other huge holidays as well. if you want to visit family and friends, just skip the tournament already.

@cobalt pebble then dont skip it lol easy. NA aint the only place with huge holidays clashing w tours.

[cobalt pebble]

Skipping results in loss of top 8

Yeah I’ll just play a tournament on 4th of July instead of spending time with family. Good point. Can’t wait to be a respectable human being

[elder coral]

Shifting a single day is a lot easier to accommodate than a full month. Plus, given that there is a full month, the festivities would be shifted around meaning that there are still days where you aren’t doing anything. If you have 10 main players and 4 reserve, you can reasonably get 7 all of the time.

[oak veldt]

I mean if players frm other regions can deal with such events, i rly struggle to see why na cant lol. Unless ofc ur point is that asians are all non-respectable human beings i guess

[limber lintel]

It is what it is, like jezus, I don't know why people are so patriotic anyways, imo patriotism is pretty bruh lol, but hey if your holiday is there, it's still your choice if you decide to play or not,

Just suck it up, it's not gonna change anymore now, so shush, like you can keep going on about it, it's not gonna change, like seriously it's that simple, you play or you don't, your choice

[cobalt pebble]

My point is 80% of NA server is from USA. So majority of comp is at a loss here

[vivid glen]

go read up about cny. its literally a tradition for chinese people. they believe that if they do not celebrate it properly their whole year will be absolute trash. the first day of CNY is always the most important, putting visits off to later dates is seen as inauspicious. go ask any chinese person living in NA about it if you would like. other servers have their own huge holidays yet they cant deal with it. just make a decision and stop whining already, the world does not revolve around you lol. the self important mentality that you people hold is absolutely insane. and the last time i checked, the CN server is 100% chinese.

other servers have to make such choices too, its not exclusive to NA. NA requesting for this puts WG in a very difficult position for the future because now they will have to consider every important holiday for tours and this messes up the order in tour schedules. NA should not be getting exclusive treatment for this.

you want to spend time with your family, go ahead. its your choice to make. you cant expect to get everything lol.

[supple hearth]

All the teams on NA server that registered will receive a prize lmao, only 22 teams

[proud holly]

If it weren’t for an alarm clock we could’ve made it 23 😔

[oak veldt]

Doesnt it also mean that if none of that 80% participate in the 1st bronze tourn, majority of the comp clans will still end up playing the same number of tourns cos everyones missing out on the same tourn anyways

[thorn shale]

I think 3 top teams for na just missed the first pys 😂

[cobalt yarrow]

nice random maps
round1- faust
round2-faust
round3 himmelsdorf
round4 himmelsdorf
round5 faust
round6 middleburg

[cobalt pebble]

Many teams did not want to play summer

[elder coral]

That’s a bruh moment right there

[slender harness]

then there is your point. You crying about top8 and tour when many of them dont even care about summer season. Unless you are putting words into their mouth and they do actually care. But unlike you, they put something else over a game

[supple hearth]

Ok pro

[dim pivot]

"not trying" u must be on their team

u know by saying that ur basically insulting the team that got 1st

[slender harness]

I doubt any team that makes it into top8 will just happily throw games without actually trying. Especially top4 and even finals.

[sonic patio]

Easier said than done.

[cobalt pebble]

Reign only really cares about twister/fall

[elder coral]

I mean has von played a tournament in the last year? And saying rgn weren’t trying is probably not true when it came to the actual top 8 tournament. I can’t say for sure, but they played more seriously in that then the PYS tournaments for sure.

[dim pivot]

I mean if rgn say they were not trying, i'd believe them, but these ppl not in the clan saying rgn wasnt trying is just a veiled insult

[limber lintel]

odds of 3 times same map in 6 rounds is 0,14...%, so yeah epic, as long as I understood correctly there is 23 maps

[snow steppe]

hey guys anyone doing the quick tournament?

[tranquil vortex]

So uh.. what's the deal with NA bronze tournament registration closing so early?

[elder coral]

You miss it too? It’s kinda stupid we know. WG needs 34 hours to make random seeding in a group round robin

[ancient shard]

Bruh rip

[tranquil vortex]

@elder coral Yep. I thought registation ended tomorrow.. like every other tournamnet. At this point, I'm not surprised though.

[surreal hinge]

22 teams lmao

[fallow raptor]

seems like they wanted the registration for all servers to end at the same time

It ended 2hr 45mins ago@tranquil vortex 11pm utc+8

[tranquil vortex]

@fallow raptor When did it end on your server?

[thorn shale]

having 2 teams is still allowed, epic

[red vapor]

Very unfortunate.

[pliant peak]

Something wrong with it? 🤔

[vagrant thicket]

@muted ore can you please consider extending the closure to sometime tomorrow?
Having 34 hours between when registration closes and the tournament starts sounds a bit unreasonable and inconvenient for us as players as we were all caught off guard and were not notified for the abormally short registration period.

What makes it worse is that missing just one tournament can extremely hinder your chances of making top 8, and for it to be because of poor communication and buggy invites on wargaming's end as three of our players were not able to accept their invites onto the team, it's upsetting

[proud holly]

My group could really use that extension too. It shouldn’t take 36 hours to randomly assign groups.

[novel yoke]

@muted ore the invite system has been broken from last update where people cannot accept their invites. It says they are already in the list of players. Could we extend the registration, many teams did not register due to that and the changed registration time.

[red vapor]

@vagrant thicket Hello Supreme_Pickle.

[grim vine]

I agree, many teams thought that the registration timing was similar to last years and did not register because of it, please move it back

[supple hearth]

If you all didn’t realize, it’s already too late, that’s why you have to pay attention. Wargaming won’t make any changes

[red vapor]

Unfortunate.

[gilded marsh]

@supple hearth good afternoon fellow tournament enthusiast

[red vapor]

@vagrant thicket Exebyte wants his money back.

[supple hearth]

LMAO PNCR, stop blaming the invantation system, it’s broken, but u literally just have to resend it again while u are in game, it’s not that big of a deal, you are making all these excuses because ur captain Malcolm8 forgot to register your team lmao, u had 9 out of 10 members, it’s more than enough to play

[modest whale]

yaro hatin 😔

[supple hearth]

It’s not hating, it just shows how irresponsible you can be, there was literally 2 days kekw

[slim socket]

Just change your clan tag to rgn2 or something so wg extends the deadline for you

[novel yoke]

Finally some words of encouragement 🙏

[tardy bay]

Simmer down.

[vagrant thicket]

Registration always closes an hour before tournament time, why would I have any reason to hurry up and get everyone in 33 hours before the usual deadline? There was no heads up from WG and they even shortened it from the one hour before tournament start that it was at yesterday. We're not the only team that was affected by this, we're just one of the only ones that are here bringing it up

and if WG's invites weren't bugged we would have absolutely been able to register in time because our players would've been able to join the team

[supple hearth]

Well, next time double check the time that’s registration is due, if you would check you wouldn’t have this problem.

Stop the cap, invantation problem has nothing to do here with your problem, you had 9 out of 10 players, your problem is that your captain forgot to register lmao

[daring swan]

It’s fine. 2k cups (considering you get first) this season won’t break or make top 8. The gold ticketed tourneys have a lot of cups anyway

[narrow meteor]

Yeah I’m sure this is the only tourney that has this early registration

[gilded marsh]

@narrow meteor hey feller 👋

[thorn shale]

@narrow meteor how u doing homie

[rare trellis]

breh the early cut off caught people off guard, lots of teams we having invite issues and we’re still waiting for members to join the team. ik its too late to fix it now but having a little more warning that the cut off was 34 hours before tourney start would have been nice for everyone to know. because of this NA only has 22 teams of the 256 team spots available filled. @supple hearth most reasonable people thought we had at least until tmrw before tourney start to organize and register a team. It’s not something that was brought up when registration was still on bc nobody knew that this insane cutoff was in effect.

[supple hearth]

You have to talk about this problem when the registration is still on , not after lol

[thorn shale]

I want in on tournaments

[supple hearth]

Idk how about u guys, but when it’s a new tournament and I’m not sure of something, I always check rules or details, it’s like trying to build something without instruction, cmon now y’all not a bunch of little kids,

It takes about 2 minutes to check Kintsu. @vagrant thicket

[vagrant thicket]

We were waiting on two players who accepted late last night, one of which had a bugged invite. Then we had to wait for the captain who woke up too late to resend the invite

@red vapor all transactions are final

[rare trellis]

ok but look, it’s safe to say most people are used to these kind of tourneys when registration closes a hour before the battles start. hence most people didn’t read the description as thoroughly as you did. you can’t say that without reading the description better you would’ve known about this early cutoff either.

[red vapor]

@vagrant thicket I want my money back.

[supple hearth]

How is that WGs problem that ur captain woke up late

[vagrant thicket]

I've never seen a tournament like this having its registration end at 11 in the morning, have you?

Always with these tournaments it's ended the same day that it starts, so I assumed we would've had another day to finalize who we wanted before we had to register

[narrow meteor]

@thorn shale @thorn shale evening gentlemen

[solid pine]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-bored-boredom-swing-head-gif-17224602

[supple hearth]

Never heard, but that’s why I always check details so I wouldn’t miss anything, it’s not that hard to do and doesn’t take too long @vagrant thicket

[rare trellis]

yaro just bc u read every fine detail of this tournament doesn’t mean that every other player on NA did. It clearly caught people off guard and nobody needs u to call people out for missing the deadline. Most NA comp players are used to a set schedule so this abrupt change was a shock to everyone who still thought they had a day left to figure stuff out. @vagrant thicket i completely agree with u, i only ever look for dates and maps for the tourney. maybe dive a little bit to see what each tourney is about but i have never thought to look for when registration closes. it became normal for registration to close at 8 EST so naturally we all (except yaro) thought we had more time.

[vagrant thicket]

If I'm looking in the regulations then I'm most likely checking for the maps or dates, not something like a registration deadline that has always been the same and is different this time with no notice

Thanks for the conversation though, I'll be sure to re-read the regulations multiple times a day next time so I don't miss any last minute changes

[solid pine]

To answer your question @vagrant thicket , yes there have been tournaments in the past where there had been weird registration deadlines (example being 8AM EST). Which is like 5AM on the morning for pacific time people. Although nobody likes it, it has happened. I recommend reading them carefully due to this. However asking for wargaming to extend the deadline has worked in the past. So it’s not a bad idea to ask them. Hopefully all works out

[modest whale]

wg when they can exploit july 4th for monetary gain: happy independence day!
wg when people ask if they can reschedule tournaments to not take place on independence day: what's independence day?

[sinful crest]

Maybe have ur team accept on the day of the tournament registration opens, they accepted late they don’t care about it anyways. Plus registration was open for a good 2-3 days that’s more than enough time for you to register
@vagrant thicket

[vagrant thicket]

The day of the tournament would be…tomorrow?

[gilded marsh]

i like tournaments

[supple hearth]

Ye, I don’t see the point of leaving everything till the last moment, literally get everyone on ,register, and go do ur stuff

[sinful crest]

@gilded marsh hey. @civic glacier

[elder coral]

last minute changes to plans that revolve around national holidays is a reason i can see.

[novel yoke]

🙏

[daring swan]

I bet pncr will still make top 8 even if they don’t participate in the first tourney

[narrow meteor]

It’s not worth a lot of cups anyways

[proud holly]

Lol our guy missed the alarm too

[rocky crystal]

Top 8 Teams vs Top 8 Teams Reveal

[novel yoke]

I like how people act as if there isn’t a problem. Look at how many teams registered for this season as compared to last season. Both on na server and on EU a bunch of teams missed the registration

[sinful crest]

people don’t care as much for summer nor do they want to play everyday

[thick elk]

yea i was gonna say, comp is dead for na this season, idk about eu. I'm not saying this as an excuse for the weird reg time however

[proud holly]

Either way, I guarantee that a good number of NA teams were caught off guard by the unreasonable early registration deadline (You don’t need 30+ hours to randomly assign teams into groups). And for those that did react, the fact that the invites were so buggy for our players should be enough to justify some kind of compensation, whether it’s an extension or etc.

For the players that did manage to successfully react, congrats. But “lol just pay attention” doesn’t necessarily justify what has already occurred.

Thankfully the teams that did get knocked off early, will only be (at most) 2k cups behind. But i hope that this ultimately won’t be what decides who gets to reach their desired echelon

[rare trellis]

^^^^

[fast hare]

Assassin#8096 was muted

[daring swan]

😔

[rare trellis]

poor assassin

[solid pine]

Oh no my clan lead 😭. He deserved it tho

[slim socket]

Aye bruh free assassin he ain't do nothing wrong

[red vapor]

Unfortunate.

[merry blade]

#FreeAssassin

[vale matrix]

monke

[earnest crane]

Rip assassin 2021

[thorn shale]

@muted ore @frosty nexus Hi. Maybe im wrong but theres no rewards for top 5-8. Why? I think they should get some good rewards to be honest...

[calm atlas]

Yes give them some boosters

[odd wolf]

@thorn shale because there are 2 groups of 4 teams, and rewards are distributed according to a team’s placement in their group

[red vapor]

@odd wolf You're smart.

[thorn shale]

i see thanks bro

[upper oar]

also in case someone does ask, #1 + #2 get worse rewards than #3 + #4 because they will advance to the next stage

[tardy bay]

@red vapor Hello _mm.

[ember marlin]

Here's to hoping that the 60tp doesnt get released right before twister starts

[red vapor]

@tardy bay Hey

[glass thunder]

Its 2 groups like last season so 3th 4th are the top 5-8

[graceful jetty]

Alright lets imagine this. There is a pro belgian team from EU all of whose players are from belgium.
Their independence day is on the 21st of July which clashes with the 3rd gold tour.
Everybody else on EU can play, but that team is specifically affected massively.
Is it fair that they must suck it up and play to prevent other teams from overtaking them and stealing top 8? They have no majority and cant make any noise like NA has done for 4th of July.
If everyone else has to suck it up and play i dont understand why having player majority gives you the right to demand WG changes tour dates

[ancient shard]

🤨

[sly axle]

LOL

[elder coral]

I'm not going to say whether he was good or bad because that's not important. the important part is that the people that are governed were able to elect him out without need for a full armed revolution. When was the last time a CCP member lost in a free and fair election in China to another party? Or even a good example of a non democratic government have a change of power peacefully based on the will of the majority of the country?

[rocky crystal]

Cant wait to play on Yamato and Canyon!! 👏

[vale helm]

It will be right before top4 starts or during qualifiers as always

[civic glacier]

🦧

[deft escarp]

@thorn shale sucks for 1st and 2nd tht dont get gold and premium

[upper oar]

@deft escarp they advance to the next stage

even if they lose there, then they will receive gold and premium

[deft escarp]

@upper oar oh 👍

[proud matrix]

eooooo fu k

[rough tusk]

Ehh now they're fighting wg to open registration again bc they didnt pay attention to registration close time and are blaming the invite bug which has been there for years at this point. Leave the kids alone kek and grab popcorn

[slim socket]

Why didn't you do that in the first place? I don't think any NA players asking for a reschedule were talking to members from an irrelevant server...

[upper oar]

lmao

[graceful jetty]

Learn how to articulate your thoughts properly, if you cant act like a decent human being then dont bother joining the discussion. The invite bug is annoying asf and i dont blame them for complaining about reg closing early when WG didnt announce anything about it. We wouldve also been caught off guard if we didnt register our team abnormally early

[proud holly]

"Alliance rejected!"

[rough tusk]

Lmao didn't take much for the racism to come out

[dim pivot]

"Zero tolerance for clan flaming and shaming" but calling a whole server irrelevant gets an "lmao" from a mod

Cool

[daring swan]

Here is a difference between NA and Asia: one consist of 3 big countries and smaller countries around while the other consist of a huge area, all of Asia, which has many different countries, creating many different holidays unlike NA

[grim shadow]

Well the rule was made by mods who play on EU and NA. Afaik no mods from Asia that are active here

[dim pivot]

Hmm well judging mods is bad so i m not gonna say anymore but the comment from stephhh shud deffo get deleted once some mod comes

[hasty aurora]

@muted ore hello, 6th July is my birthday can you guys please postpone the tournament cuz I'll be busy

[elder coral]

agree, the lunar new year holiday that they brought up was a good point in terms of similarities. unfortunately they decided that they didnt want to see if they could change the condition to be more amenable and decided to shut their mouth as they got it up the rear where others like to stand up for themselves.

[graceful jetty]

Seems like you're supported by something in your rear

[vivid glen]

and you people have no idea what the 1st day of lunar new year means to chinese players as well. the entire point is that you cant expect wg to change their schedule to accommodate you. if the holiday matters so much then skip playing the tank game. NA doesnt rule the earth, you have no right to say that july 4th deserves special treatment and imply that its somehow above other important holidays for different cultures. your whole point about asia being made up of different countries allowing asia to compensate for some players missing tours due to huge holidays is actually dumb considering the case of lunar new year and the people still playing tournaments in the chinese server (which is 100% chinese).

[slender harness]

So I'm hearing american players are using numbers as the reason for wargaming to accomodate them when I also see several european nations having the same problem.

july 3 - belarus independence day
july 14 - France National Day (though no game scheduled on that day)
July 21 - Belgium Independence Day

Just because having a majority of players from one country does not mean you get any more attention than the others.

[vivid glen]

its cool if its against asia :) trash server with bad players after all. oh and its also ok to say something about us being rice and ramen eaters who shouldnt be talking here i guess. very nice

[slender harness]

they also deleted my comment for mentioning trump as an example then their mod says "lmao" when they diss the entire asia server

[dim pivot]

Ah same clans is it?

[graceful jetty]

I mean his comment is also applicable to his clan

[slender harness]

be careful, that mod is going to mute us all for calling him out

[upper oar]

@slender harness i deleted your comments for referencing modern politics

[slender harness]

i shall do better and not include them as examples next time then

[upper oar]

yes

unfortunately, it seems like we have strayed past the topic. i will say one thing though: NA players and Americans in particular do not pretend to understand the cultures of other regions or nations, how significant they are to each nation, and why we would be motivated to ask for a reschedule. I would respectfully ask that you do the same for us.

[dim pivot]

I wud respectfully ask u to delete racist messages as well if ur going to delete political messages @upper oar

Honestly surprising that this is still in this chat :/

[upper oar]

that is not a lot to ask for, if you ask me. perhaps others will think differently. since this seems to be a sensitive issue and I’m already involved in the discussion, I can ask some other mods to come in here to request this topic to end

message deleted, apologies for not seeing that earlier

[fast hare]

Stephhh#9976 has been warned.

[upbeat iris]

Isn’t that why WG released a statement saying they can’t reschedule tournaments for every nation around the world? Every nation and or culture has “special” days and rescheduling of one forces WG to reschedule more to be politically correct. End of discussion?

[upper oar]

more or less, yes. NA players and WG have made their perspectives clear so we’re just beating a dead horse at this point

[fast hare]

swift#1989 was muted

[thorn shale]

If people can’t keep their conversations civil on this server, they’ll be muted. This channel is not a special place where the rules don’t apply. If you have legitimate complaints about something tournament related, you’re more than welcome to share those complaints and engage in decent conversation here.

[winter swallow]

How can you make tournaments with so many unnecessary complications and flaws… and then make them even worse in this season? I don’t understand how it is possible.

[silver vapor]

<@&481447501690568709>

[slender harness]

might want to ban this scam

[wet tide]

@muted ore
Hello, I have an important question. Did you guys think about the possibility that some clans will try to get into the silver tours instead of the gold tours because getting knocked out first round in gold gives less cups than getting 4th place both in the bronze/silver tournaments?

[limber lintel]

They didn't, 6et another massive flaw in this seasons format

[slender harness]

teams gonna throw for that juicy silver ticket

[warm oasis]

Having the first tournaments days on the 3/4 is going to hurt a lot of clans this season! People will be out with family. I know they say it’s hard to Reschedule a tournament but they should add an extra day for all the teams that Missed or are unable to play the first round. So they do not ruin the clans chances for top 8, 16 and so on.

[delicate herald]

I need team for today's coins season tournament i have discord and tournament tanks DM ME ( EU )

[young furnace]

#tourneys-team-search you can go there, its gonna be easier for you to get a team

[atomic tartan]

i like how theres more fireworks here than actual 4th of July

[shrewd summit]

@radiant wadi #tourneys-team-search

[limber lintel]

also lovely to see how there's still season coins tours on the same days now, even tho the issue for most teams that they can't play much is resolved, let's see how many teams will not bother with the bronze/silver/golds cus of it

👀

[rough tusk]

wg said due to so many tournaments, it is not possible to hold them on different days

[limber lintel]

well obviously, but are the season coins needed, like just include those rewards in the bronze, it's round robin, so people can play multiple games, which was the main reason people played the season coins

[steel shell]

yeah i would eliminate season coin tournaments and make coins as reward for bronze,silver and gold tournaments which would increase team count even more

[rough tusk]

+1

[vital obsidian]

season is taking care of the pc players dont bully them

[burnt glacier]

Imaging making draw lol

[flat goblet]

🤨

[elder coral]

Both teams didn’t have enough to play lol

[winter swallow]

... wow. That's quite an oversight.

[modest whale]

Woops.

[forest matrix]

@muted ore hi what are the rules for tie breaking in bronze tournament in the event of 3 teams tied at 1st place with 1v-1l against the other 2 tied teams? Or maybe 3 gold tickets ?

[slim blade]

-STG- won automatically

[thorn shale]

2 players disconnected from game and when rejoining they dont get room invite. we are playing with 6. WG pls fix this for future days @muted ore @frosty nexus

[elder coral]

Invite glitch like the one for team invites? That’s what it sounds similar to

[burnt glacier]

How to fight for all these prizes?(game-news chat's post)
Ugh
Let's use more correct question
How to register team fast and make your team mates accept invite

[glad sphinx]

^, how to register the team in time, pls make a tutorial

[tranquil trout]

Hey, I’m clan lead for YWING, any word on when WG will fix the team invite bug? It’s been at least a good couple weeks, and it’s a hassle not being to properly send out mass invites to my clan in one session.

[proud holly]

Does anyone know if the bronze series are being streamed tonight

[dapper vigil]

@limber lintel they have always had some season coin tournaments the same day as the normal tournaments

[limber lintel]

That doesnt mean its good tho

[dapper vigil]

Why? You either fight for season coins or you fight for clan rankings… and at the end of the season you get an abundance of season coins depending on your teams ranking @limber lintel

[daring swan]

The rest of the bronze tourneys are gonna close at 11 am est on na. This means that majority of the clans that are below lower echelon won’t register in time.

[analog osprey]

@thorn shale normally it’s fine I play at two different places I got nothing

[thorn shale]

The season coins earned for coming in the top 8 is negligible, it’s sad because competitive players can’t really play Season Coins tournaments making the rewards kinda nothing, I have 30,000 season coins saved up in the off chance Wargaming does something dumb an makes a tier 10 buyable in the shop for season coins

[limber lintel]

If you think I care about this season coins, I don't, what I care about is the comp scene and if you run 2 tours through each others you will have less teams in both than if you seperate them,

Usually teams doing the SC tours are the more lower level teams and this means higher up clans are more likely to find each other in the qualifying groups,

Could you ever imagine in major sport events where there is qualifying stages, there is a competition that is smaller taking away the lower level teams meaning the higher level teams find each other more likely in the qualifying stages, knocking each other out too early,

Absolutely not, so why is WG doing it, it jut means groups like group 6 on EU today that are death groups are more likely to exist

Besides whats the issue with the bronze tours, they are round robin so people can play plenty of ronds

[elder coral]

Yeah I didn’t think you got coins for PYS which is kinda perplexing

[dapper vigil]

@limber lintel “also lovely to see how there's still season coins tours on the same days now, even tho the issue for most teams that they can't play much is resolved, let's see how many teams will not bother with the bronze/silver/golds cus of it

👀”

This is what you said… this has been the same way for many many years…. This allows for the more nooby clans to participate in the season coins tourneys and feel like they’ll accomplish something instead of getting steamrolled since all the “pros” are doing the pys tourneys

[limber lintel]

If all teams in the season coins are playing in the bronzes cus theres no season coins and its rou d robin they might get steamrolled twice and find 4 other clans of fluctuating levels, maybe better maybe worse,

you are also gonna tell me they aren't getting steamrolled often in the season coins?
(And on top of that its single elim so its over right after 1 loss)

[dapper vigil]

They have a better chance to win in season coins tourneys because most of the better teams are doing the prove your skill tourneys…. Go look at previous season coins tourneys and you’d see🤗🤗

The only times you’ll really ever see pros in the season coin tourneys is when there aren’t any pys or challengers/pros going on…

@limber lintel

[limber lintel]

Read what I say, if all these teams of season coins join the bronzes, they will keep finding those same level teams, only one or two times they will find these pro level teams during the entire gold,

It makes 0 sense to hsve them on the same days as the qualifyer stage tours (bronze), gold and silver and the break days would make sense and theres like 8 days already of gold and break days from first bronxe to last gold/silver

Why dont we try to get these players to all play the bronze tours, they will find all those other teams from SC tours, and also they will meet slightly better teams and some really good pro level teams, but that will only help them improve and they wont find as many pro teams cus there will be plenty of these lower level teams,

[chilly hemlock]

LOL

[slender harness]

season coins also allows pc players to earn season coins which they cannot do in bronze, silver, gold sadly

[daring swan]

Are tournaments not being streamed?

[proud holly]

Guess not

[ancient shard]

Wtr

[narrow meteor]

the homie tomie tactics is streaming

[harsh thistle]

they dont like answering people that wanted to stream lmao

[flat goblet]

Dunno lol

[proud holly]

^Chip DID say that this was being streamed
https://youtu.be/cr6vL-6xZjM

[winter swallow]

😆 - yeah I mean, at this point... what can you even say?

@crisp shore developed and tested (theoretically) an absolutely awesome seeding system and was ready to GIVE IT TO WG FOR FREE - but God forbid WG accept help from the EN community in case we show them up.

[rough tusk]

Umm UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europe league. Many a times the teams getting knocked out of group stage in champions League is much better than the teams winning Europa League so I guess your point doesn't make sense.

That being said, I agree with the point that coins and bronze tours should be integrated

[slender harness]

how do we consider pc players too? they deserve season coins just as much as mobile players

[limber lintel]

PC only tournaments, or what maddox said seems like a, really good idea actually, I wouldnt deny whole team tho, maybe bronze should be merged and they get the tickets, but only when they get on touch they can use it, why not this?

[silver vapor]

merge season coins and bronze (allow duel control mod in bronze, and give season coins in bronze), and if your team has anyone who used PC during the tournament you (or the entire team) don't receive tickets at all

[rough tusk]

What kinda logic is that? You allow people to use pc in bronze but don't give them tickets for winning? You can't have it both ways.

[slender harness]

i think the mobile teams also lose out on silver/gold tickets

[jolly kite]

@muted ore
Hello sir
I played yesterday coins tournament
When the tourny finish i don't receive my coins i close the game and waiting till today and same again don't receive coins "except credits"

[rough tusk]

This too but how can you allow something in the first place and then penalise people for it? Either allow pc totally or not at all

[candid lance]

Why would you take Sirius cause you didn’t get some season coins. Smh

[slim blade]

just give bronze tourneys pc accessibility already lmao

[proud holly]

No

[thorn shale]

Its kinda upsetting
justice for PC players 🦤

[thorn shale]

Thats basically telling WG to make coins only available for mobile players 😐 Besides that i don’t want to sweat for tourney coins that are used for relatively small rewards 🏆

[glass thunder]

no one want to play a competitive game on tc device vs PC

[thorn shale]

XD

[slim blade]

blitz is a game where mobile players can play as well or even better than pc players

[royal cradle]

Another thing is if a PC player was serious about playing CW they'd most likely switch to mobile coz basically everyone has a mobile device. But if they don't care about cw that much they just won't and play season coins. I like it how it is now. Maybe accept the help for a better seeding system from wildones and then I think the system is already a lot better. If then WG would learn to give out info early enough and slightly listen more to a certain group of players.... wait I'm dreaming too much

[thorn shale]

sigh

[limber lintel]

nono, WG clearly thought this system through, some silver levels give more than some gold levels, it's amazing, what you mean men?

[alpine goblet]

BAZOOKA

[thorn shale]

bazuca

[forest matrix]

For info answer was no tiebreaker everyone tied 1st and receive gold

[glass thunder]

@muted ore how can 3 teams from one group get first place?

[forest matrix]

@muted ore @frosty nexus hello can you provide details about gold and silver tournaments seeding ? Random like bronze?

@glass thunder we win and lose one game against each other and it seems there is no tiebreaker

[daring swan]

@forest matrix yes it is random the whole season

[primal talon]

I would like to stay top 8 with espada so i can get pro avatar🤪

[thorn shale]

7urks won krks, krks won jon3s and jon3s won 7urks

Big brain time

[crisp shore]

The system only recognises head-to-head outcomes (wins or losses) as tiebreaker, so if 3 teams get 1 win and 1 loss with one another and have the same points, the system identifies this situation as a tie

[glass thunder]

good system to rig lmao

[thorn shale]

not pog

Pog

[oak storm]

Wrong assumption. A lot of PC players won't move to touch because they can't simply play this game on touch.

[royal cradle]

And don’t bother to become good on it

[oak storm]

1st. for playing touch you need to have a good mobile equipment.
2nd. if you are a PC player and use a PC as your main platform to play games (including real and powerful games), why they need to waste hundreds of euros to get a good touch device?
3rd. If you take out PC players from this game, I bet WG will loose a large number of players.
4rd. Some touch players keep using emulators to cheat the system
5th. If WG wants to have touch only players, why to put the game on Steam and Microsoft Store? Put it only in Apple and Android Store

[cobalt yarrow]

Yes but we won 2 0 againist krks and other jon3s vs 7urks 2-1 , krks vs jon3s 2-1 also idk how we all tie

[oak storm]

BUT!!! Why WHY WG keeps allowing ghost team to participate in tournaments seasons?
that's the key question!

Why WG keep allowing clans take advantage and explore the system?
Again, this season there already some clans exploiting the tournament system and they are already registered to the next round.

So, why to make an effort to be good if WG keeps praising cheaters?

Now we even have P2W clans!! imagine how shit this game is becoming.

Worse,,, imagine someone actually paying players to win a season in this game!! How sad...

[thorn shale]

idk. if im honest we tought it would end like 1st: JON3S 2nd 7URKS 3rd KRKS

[upbeat iris]

Game differential should have a factor at the very least 👀

[burnt glacier]

WG's tournaments be like
Random goes brrrrrr

[oak storm]

until they don't stop with clans that keeps cheating the system, does not matter the seeding system.
A cheater always a cheater.

[limber lintel]

p2w clans, what you mean LUL?

[pliant peak]

p2w calns.... all you have to do is delete game : P

[burnt glacier]

@oak stormcheating, ugh
What do you mean by this ''WG praising cheaters''?
Write name of cheaters pls(with clan tag)

[oak storm]

you don't know that are clans that are paying real money to players?! Like professional eSports team?
Are you guys sleeping?!

[thorn shale]

Yes we are sleeping

[limber lintel]

and that makes it pay to win, WHAT!?

what's the problem that people get paid by people who want their clan to be good, if some1 wants to make a good team and pay people for that, honestly what's the issue,

I see this as an absolute win, it could help form stronger teams that stay together longer and cus of that the servers overall strenghth will grow, I see 0 negative aspects about people wanting to pay people to play under a specific clantag

the players still need to be good just because they get paid, it doesn't mean they win

[strong marsh]

teams becoming professional seems to be a step forward

[oak storm]

Just go and check the names who got banned last season and 2 days later were back to the game and they still competing this season!
Just check the groups and see how many "ghost teams" there are.

Being professional in a game that allows ghost teams, allows cheating, borrow accounts, using rerolls to take advantge of getting better MM...

Sure... sure... go be professional on a professional game, on a well structured game, on a reference game... if you have skills...
Ez win gather up 9 players, pay them to win on an "amateur game".

[burnt glacier]

Huh
They were banned mostly for sharing

[oak storm]

nope... that's not the true... that's the truth they wanted you to believe.

Even if that was the 100 true... 10 from the same clan... coincidence?!?
The EULA says clan can be banned... they were banned?! Nope...

Believe in what do you want.

@strong marsh in this game?! Lmao...
you are defending because you are being payed!

[thorn shale]

Lol?

[burnt glacier]

Ugh
They wanted me to believe...
Who?)) Alines? World govermant? Who?Or WG?
Or even WG are aliens?

[strong marsh]

little effort to improve the current situation is better than none

[oak storm]

AHAHAH!! you are a funny guy.
not smart.. but funny.

Not conspiracy BS here!! Use your brain.
Use your brains and check what is happening in the last 5 seasons.
You can do it. Just check.

ASP was also impaired last year because of this things!!

[burnt glacier]

I want to screen this epic story
Thank you man, for this! U did my day!

[vital obsidian]

Getting paid is sadly not bringing the blitz cw forward, its only redistributes the same players. Its up to WG to develope the esport in Blitz, it has potential as an interesting and viewer friendly game

[oak storm]

you really believe that or is just money talking?!?
Well... that's explains your streams.

@burnt glacier
my pleasure!!
maybe you can start using your brain in the future when you revisit these screenshots.

@vital obsidian
not with this team that is leading WG now! They don't know how to deal with that level.
Forget about it.

this slowdown mode is sick... see you bots.

[pliant peak]

xD?

[strong marsh]

indeed they have no clue so as a result the community has to stimulate it

[proud holly]

Looks like someone's having a good day.

[flat goblet]

Community can try but pooling together the necessary resources has not been consistent. Even with BPC on EU which was pretty good, it fell off quite a bit the second time around in terms of prize pool.

[royal cradle]

^ +1

[vital obsidian]

The interest from commercial sponsors is low. Even if the BPC Crew reached out to many potential sponsors, the view count is not yet on level to bring the needed visibility to company sponsors. This can be improved over time but would for sure be easier done in cooperation with WG.

[slim blade]

lol what the Turks were in my group and didn’t show up to any matches

oh come on. I attended every single match in this tournament except one which I had to leave. And that means I receive 2 complaints and I don’t get a ticket where the rest of my team does. what on earth is this

[limber lintel]

I'm defending it, I'm not getting paid, am I? Wish I was tho 😢

[burnt glacier]

@limber lintel join -ASP-
U will be paid for taking TOP-8 ugh
Ez money by my mind
Ugh

[jade hornet]

how much for me? xddd i want at least 0.5 dollars

[daring swan]

Nice registration closes at 9 am est

[modest whale]

should close at 8:59 pm est

[proud holly]

I can't wait to be locked out of yet another tournament series because of a failed alarm

[harsh ember]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[brittle bloom]

nice asia server round robin lets gooo

[slender harness]

professionals + challengers + lower echelon

[flat goblet]

how does that work

If you actually have to play 25 matches, that's like 12 hours of games assuming bo3...

[slim blade]

nice round robin you got there 😏

[acoustic coyote]

Its robinhood

[supple hearth]

I love tournaments!

[dreamy bolt]

@muted ore hey sorry to ping you, im from the asia server and we have not received the groups and maps for tonights bronze tour, where and when will we be able to view those

[slender harness]

probably one hour before tour

[primal talon]

I mean,its kinda obvious that some people rigg,how comes that 3 ppl from 1 Group come 1st,that would have to be a rlly big coincidence

[dreamy bolt]

Its due to the system, so in the event of even points across the places say 1st 2nd and 3rd they will all get the same stuff, in asia we had 3 teams get the 2nd place rewards for one of the groups

[primal talon]

In my opinion a Garbage System made to rig. Would be cool if they changed that up a bit

[muted ore]

Hi.
4th place in group (Bronze Tournament) - 967 cups
4th place in group (Silver tournament) - 4349 cups
5-8th place in group (Gold tournament) - 5 329 cups

[mellow hawk]

Man... We really been put with 5 Top 8 teams in a group of 6
👀

[strange spruce]

@muted ore hello. Can you say me where I can find the game format of the gold and silver series? Have you already posted it anywhere? How many teams are participating in the group stage, and how many of them advance to the finals? Also, do we need only one golden ticket to participate?

[formal drift]

@muted ore Hi, do you know why Blitz assistant app on mobile is almost always buggy when it Comes to loading tournament parts? Or is the app under the responsibility of some other devs?

[wet tide]

You need to be on top4 of the group in silver/gold tournaments to go through, right? In that case the total amount of gold cups earned for minimal work = 1,597 (2nd place bronze) + 5,329 (knocked out first round) = 6,926 cups earned in total
Bronze 4th place (967) + silver group stage 4th place (4,349) + silver final stage 4th place (2,609) = 7,925 cups earned
Thats 1k cups more…

[muted ore]

@forest matrix Hi.
In case several teams are placed 1st and/or 2nd in the group, they will all get tickets to the Golden Tournament.

I cannot say or guarantee anything regarding future checks for game violations.

[muted ore]

Hello.
The coins may appear at a later date. The awards will be issued within 2 days after the end of the tournament.
If you haven't received the coins, please send a request to the Player Support Center.

[muted ore]

This is possible if the teams have the same amount of points

[muted ore]

Sure.
The structure is the same for Silver and Gold:

Group stage: Single elimination, 8 teams per group.
Seeding in each group is done randomly.

Final stage: Double Elimination, 4 teams per group.
Seeding in each group is done randomly.

[muted ore]

Hi. The groups have already been formed.

[thorn shale]

Thanks for the answers Sirius

[muted ore]

Hello.
A little above, I explained the structure of these tournaments.
They are limited to 256 teams. You only need 1 ticket to participate.

[muted ore]

Hi. As far as I know, the above app is no longer supported.

[wet tide]

Hello, how much teams of those 8 in the groups with single elimination go through to the 2nd stage? (By the way thanks for all the answers you’re already giving)

[muted ore]

It's not the right way to compare. In one case, you conditionally "do nothing" and get knocked out of the tournament immediately in the group stage. In the other case, you make an effort and go through to the final round.

[muted ore]

Hey, 4 best teams from each group advance to the next stage.

[wet tide]

I’m giving the perspective of a top16 or lower team, being scared of playing the gold tour vs tournament veterans and rather facing teams of the same/lower level in the silver tournament. Because it’s supposed to be easier to advance in silver than in gold for a team some will probably try to lose battles so they get silver tickets instead of gold (earning more cups)

[muted ore]

Thank you for your appraisal and your concerned approach. That's great. The situation is such that if you put in the effort and don't be afraid, you can get more cups in the Gold tournament )

[strange spruce]

Especially when we had got only 10 teams with gold tickets and seeding per 8 teams in a group. 2 groups per 5 teams, and 4 advancing to the next stage.

[dreamy bolt]

Yeah thanks i saw it

[muted ore]

It all depends on the number of participants.

[thorn shale]

@muted ore I understand the point of you there. But let’s be honest, some teams can’t beat the „big fishs“ which play for several years. So that means some teams are taking the risk in the gold tournament. Maybe they get a lot more cups, yes, but they can also loose the chance of participating in the Summer season championship. (Top 8)
So I just ask myself why wouldn’t you make the cups fair so there is no chance getting more cups in the silver tournament?
Also as said before, there are only a low amount of teams which participate in the season at the moment, so the risk is even higher in facing top 4 caliber teams and get knocked out by those.
To be honest I understand teams that say they will play the silver tournament to get a safe good finish. 🙂

[calm atlas]

How any team can be scared of playing vs other? If u wanna become better u need to understand that u will face better clans

[wet tide]

I was trying to avoid having to use the sentence rig the system for more cups lol
All the winrate abusers were also scared of facing better teams, no?

[rough tusk]

But if you can play in silver and have a better chance of getting to top 8/16, why would u risk playing gold?

[signal grotto]

Anyone for a tournamentw

[calm atlas]

Ye get top8 with playing silver and then get rekt in top8, whats point of that? Its just pathetic, qualifying tournaments are for prove that u deserve top8/16. If u play silver series to get worse enemies its same behavior as using 100wr accounts

[wet tide]

I know that, and thats why I’m trying to explain to sirius how this will be the same drama problem like last season, it’s just coated differently.

[limber lintel]

In an ideal world this id true, but there is teams that pay more attention to results, if they can get more cups with less risk there is people who will it

[burnt glacier]

@calm atlas and who cares that it's pathetic? No one will remember it. At least principal of sport interest will be lost cause WG doesn't want to make logic cups awards. Why should I take better place if I can manipulate and take more cups for sure for lower place? Same trash was with 100% accs when players could manipulate with seeding system

[wet tide]

@muted ore Hello, please read the messages written above this one, if we want the summer season to not be the same drama like spring please take action quickly…

[rough tusk]

@wet tide They can't change the cup distribution midway. Atleast not after silver/gold 1 takes place and based on previous exp, WG isn't gonna come out with a new distribution formula within a week so it's a lost cause.

[wet tide]

I know, sadly, but was worth the try anyways xd

[muted ore]

We will not change the number of awards as the season progresses.

Dear players, unfortunately, there is currently an issue with receiving notifications and invitations in the game. This problem should be fixed in the next game update.
As a temporary solution, the team leader has to remove the player from the applicants and send the invitation to the team again, or the player himself must apply to the team after the commander removed him from the applicants.
We apologize for the inconvenience.

[burnt glacier]

Finally u did this WG!!!
After 6 months of being this issue.

[daring swan]

@muted ore when do round robin groups come out?

[muted ore]

groups are ready

[wintry lark]

Am i able to join the 2 vs 2 tournament later than 4 o`clock ? Or do i have to come right at 4 o clock? And what about registration ?

[slim blade]

pain

[ember marlin]

Have fun

[primal talon]

@slim blade I guess thats a RIP moment for you guys xD these enemies are pretty tough. Gl anyways

[severe stream]

Why did the registration for todays tournament end so early to day?

[spark pumice]

@severe stream because groups are made hours earlier than in the past which gives teams time to prepare for their opponent, just be on top of registering and it’s a win win

[chilly hemlock]

I wonder if the comp platform is even growing anymore. Both in players/teams and with viewership.

[flat goblet]

Hard to tell, but I don’t think it is.

[upper oar]

my b

also deleted your message for slight profanity lol

i get what you mean tho

[crisp shore]

Well I'm pretty sure EU is not growing significantly (only teams I can recall are quite new are -TTT-, and maybe PINK and -ASP-) and Asia is growing significantly with the number of pretty decent teams and new names I am seeing (NQE7, DUR, current E7 team, E4D, PGMT, W1LD, -9V- etc.). I'm also seeing a lot of new names for NA this season so in a sense I think NA is growing the most but I have only been following NA since Winter so I have no clue if the names I think are new are actually veteran players.

[slim blade]

nahhhh -ttt- Chad team

[chilly hemlock]

I feel like the time to capitalize on growth was 2017 -2019. When we had offlines

[glad sphinx]

Thank you, finally yall fixing it

[crisp shore]

Tbh EU did grow a lot during 2017-2019. A lot of the currently competing EU clans began CW around that time

[upper oar]

we will probably have an offline next year if nothing major happens

[crisp shore]

Very interested to see how much both Asia and NA will have grown by then actually

[restive ridge]

well we missed registration because it ended at 8am in the fricken morning like what

[crisp shore]

The deadline of registration is very weird ngl but hopefully now that is going to persuade more teams to register as early as possible

[burnt glacier]

@crisp shore WG told that they have to do timetable by themselves in each group cause it impossible to do automatically, so they need time for it.

[crisp shore]

Ah that explains why it ends so early for NA

that being said, tell them not to put FEAST, -ID-, _EA_ and GV in the same group

[elder coral]

The registration being so early in the morning was only an issue because you physically weren’t allowed to register or even make a team/send invites before you finished the first bronze tournament which meant that anyone who wasn’t able to be around from like 11:00pm to 9:00am est just wasn’t able to join the team regardless of whether they could make the games today and tomorrow. That’s the ridiculous part.

[limber lintel]

You were able to create a team for bronze #2 when bronze #1 was still going on, at least on EU

[restive ridge]

I think it’s ridiculous bc if you didn’t register right away last night, your missing cups. I’m concerned on why wg changed the time

[rocky crystal]

I registered my team after we finished fighting Bronze Series 1 because that time everyone was online and I just made em apply to team. Oh and also, bronze series 1 registration time was the same as this one, but I get what you mean.Big Rip

[burnt glacier]

@rocky crystalthey told that season is short, so busy schedule

[sinful crest]

I like tournament

[thorn shale]

I like