tourneys-discussion

[proud holly]

t9 tournament when

[spark pumice]

tier 7 tournaments on tier 7 maps would be very interesting and fun

[cobalt yarrow]

try to play on EU cw scene , everyone insutling each other they will find reason don't ask why

[covert flax]

I hear EU tournaments are way different then NA tournaments. Personally have never played one but someday I hope to

[atomic tartan]

which is hilarious considering everyone and their mother goes to a different clan after every season

[peak terrace]

Careful, you might get muted for saying "banter" 🙏

[sinful crest]

Word on the streets people are selling their souls to play for a Eu top8 team 😫

[civic glacier]

7️⃣

[atomic tartan]

depends on which streets you're on, others it was more like being paid to do so

[sinful crest]

Grove Street🙊

[green plover]

heard BPS did that

[atomic tartan]

Which one?

[sinful crest]

their clan budget is more than wargamings tournament budget !!!!

[proud holly]

money makes the world go round

[spark pumice]

and bps doesn’t even sell crates to make that money!!!

[torpid bison]

I suck at tournaments

[ruby stag]

👀

[sinful crest]

They’re a successful clan in the tournament scene.

[proud holly]

Im now curious on what's the salary for a recruited player

[gilded sentinel]

You just saw what happened tonight on the coin tournament on the NA server 😉 . Let’s see what wg will do about it

[sinful crest]

@gilded sentinel enjoy this moment

[gilded sentinel]

People not even tired from getting ignored smh XD keep on it

[harsh ember]

something tells me that he did not enjoy that moment @sinful crest

[sinful crest]

@harsh ember i think you’re on to something

[gilded sentinel]

Maybe you didn’t in the finals 😉 🖐

[south wharf]

I mean at least they were in the finals, where u at

[gilded sentinel]

I don’t remember you were either 🙂

[harsh ember]

man as soon as tantans leash tightens another dog starts acting up. What do we have to do to have nice things 😓

[sinful crest]

Your team can’t even make it to the second day of ascents 🥱

[south wharf]

guys chill its not about competitiveness, its all about enjoy the moment 👍

[lusty flint]

@south wharf I think ur right man. We need to be sportsmanlike in this moment.

[harsh ember]

yeah my bad legundo I don’t want to be rude. if you somehow aren’t able to make the 2nd day of ascents, at least enjoy the first day. Videos games are about having fun so enjoy every moment 👍

[novel yoke]

Spaghetti socks

[south wharf]

Yeah man, tournaments are supposed to be fun. Some teams play for competitiveness and they seek to enjoy in those moments, some teams just wanna chill in the training rooms because of how hard it is to compete with these other teams, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with @gilded sentinel if hes on one of these teams if that's what pleases him.

[harsh ember]

@south wharf thanks for reminding me man, sometimes I forget that there are people who simply can’t compete so it’s all about enjoyment. I’ll try to do better next time

@lusty flint 🙌🙌 for sure

[lusty flint]

That’s a good view to have. Very positive outlook. I would be very happy to have my clan make top 8 even if I was on the second team which meant I would not be playing or get any rewards. I would enjoy the moment.

[south wharf]

that's right guys, honestly we should show appreciation to Legundo from the bottom of our hearts. Us players can come together in peace even though we are in different competitive clans all because Legundo reminded us to "Enjoy this moment," and that really is the most important lesson we have learned here and today. 😃

[winter swallow]

There are people in the Blitz esports community that are willing to put more money into blitz esports than WG is...

I literally cannot fathom how the player base can oppose this or see it as anything other than a good thing.

On the EU server we can already run community tournaments that pay 2-3x more per hour of play time to the top 3 than WG does...

That is literal insanity.

That is before we even get onto the topic of private individuals paying players for their time...

@Tomekmaster#5061 #tourneys-recruitment ... there are two channels for tournaments. It is difficult to get lost.

[fresh beacon]

LF 3 more ppl for tournament skirmish tier 5-6 EU free 2.4 mil

[sinful crest]

we all need to humble ourselves. Legundo is in the professional clan PURPL and -BPS-. Most of us can’t even qualify into two professional clans. Legundo is also apart of the pramo family so that’s just a whole other peak.

[lusty flint]

Blitz cup was a step in the right direction but it seems they’ve reverted back to the old prize pools unfortunately

[sinful crest]

I think that was only because there was no offline

[dreamy bolt]

Blitz cup will hopefully keep happening though so i assume we will have one big money tour and then the others

[lusty flint]

Yeah I knew that but after the success they had with the keys and viewership, I was surprised they didn’t increase prize pools this year

[leaden belfry]

Twister/autumn has always been the large one, and the only large one at that

keys were pretty much a disaster

it got view numbers, but also loads and loads of problems

[sinful crest]

@lusty flint wargaming has no more money BPS players took it all

[neon thistle]

sadge

[lusty flint]

Many top wot PC players are coming over to blitz to try and win some money when they saw the blitz cup $. Higher prizes just straight up makes the comp scene more competitive

[viral shuttle]

I like tournaments because I get to enjoy this moment

[open zealot]

He was cheerleading from his usual spectator position, unfortunately he had no one to cheer for

[vital obsidian]

Its great that WG money prize pool increases to true pro tournaments 👍

[robust cave]

it’s ok guys just enjoy this moment don’t worry

[south wharf]

I think he was hoping both teams would lose in the finals

[proud holly]

got 7.5k gold out of it tho, that was nice

[dreamy bolt]

When is the expected time for the rewards to arrive now

[glass thunder]

14 working days after tournament ends

[ruby stag]

👀

[pastel tartan]

it arrives when people start getting patient

[oak veldt]

+1

[steel shell]

they already checked accounts so maybe at the start of next week? or maybe even today

[dreamy bolt]

I hope its today, just gotta ask sirius

[covert flax]

Waiting for rewards make me feel like a kid waiting for Christmas 😂

[dreamy bolt]

Yeah thats so true

[supple hearth]

Lol

[covert flax]

@supple hearth I’m waiting for you to say the day still 😂😂

[south wharf]

Someone took a bigger L than his own team in this channel last night lol

[untold tinsel]

Keep it tournament related please.

[glad sphinx]

it is tournament related wdym smh

[winged saffron]

I am sure he enjoyed his moment of fame

[vale matrix]

:v

[south wharf]

Based

[ember marlin]

I liked the keys, I think they can implement them better this year

[candid lance]

is there gonna be a summer season?

[glad sphinx]

nope

[vapid crypt]

Danm bruh I never knew we had circus clowns in this blitz community, that’s pretty rare to see since that doesn’t happen everyone that means we have to enjoy this moment 100%. Like imagine simping so hard you forget where you stand. Lmaoo

[south wharf]

Yuh like I said

[bold sierra]

Lmao

[sly axle]

Updated to be more accurate

[grim shadow]

Too early

[sinful crest]

😦 no offline is sadge

[atomic tartan]

thats an actual bruh moment

[sinful crest]

hopefully they can keep giving money to top4 only in the pro tournaments, that was a smart move by WG this season.

[patent quartz]

nice one ngl

[thorn shale]

Maan other games already organize some sort of offlines. The inner region level will just keep dropping

[steel shell]

Other games are much more based around esport though 😄
It was said many times that blitz cw scene is like the smallest part of community so there is no reason for WG to invest tons of money for tournament + creating bubble environment

[glass thunder]

Not others games only big games like lol or valorant even cs did cancel lans till end of this year

[untold tinsel]

keep it tournament related please

[supple hearth]

Blitz cup is better

[sinful crest]

i’m sure wargaming can be a little more generous with rewards tho

[thorn shale]

Blitz cup is way worse

[solid pine]

From a community standpoint, blitz cup is worse. The point of twister is to combine the servers and see their best teams go head to head. This rarely happens simply due to the difference in servers. Having yet another region restricted tourney like blitz cup brings less creativity to the tournament scene and overall less competition

[glass thunder]

What solution then? How Bring players from countries that block travels ?
Its really hard to make it happen

[steel shell]

yeah its hard plus really expensive due to the must have bubble environment condition basicaly

[peak terrace]

Other games don’t seem to have an issue doing that...considering how far out Twister would be, I think there is room to organize it and make it happen. Maybe WG realized Blitz Cups cost less and they choose that route over traditional Twisters. No need to spend money on plane tickets and hotels.

[crisp shore]

Plus local restrictions with quarantine and so on... I don't think it would be ideal for Wargaming to spend a lot of money on weeks worth of hotel in Vilnius (or Minsk)

[steel shell]

I completely agree with you

[untold tinsel]

tournament related please.

[vital obsidian]

Less CO2 aswell so overall good thing. And announce 1/2 year before is good.

[slim blade]

well from wargamings side they are thinking hmm if everyone comes and gets COVID we’re gonna get sued for a loooooot of mone

[steel shell]

i really cant tell if youre trolling or just being dumb mate

[untold tinsel]

@steel shell Keep it tournament related please.

[fast hare]

rgk#8008 was muted

[modest whale]

Looks like he didn't keep it tournament related

[novel bay]

Rip

[steel shell]

Thanks to whoever did this 💜

[solid bobcat]

Not only pandemic is preventing inperson blitz cup but i think Minsk isnt really open to visitors 👀 , next to next blitz cup maybe held somewhere stable

[thorn shale]

Hello, can you inform us about the exact date of giving the spring season professional tournament rewards? Because it took so long.
Thank you for your hard work.

[fast hare]

NomAds__#0939 was muted

[proud holly]

Did anyone just get rewards

[wicked breach]

yup

[wide gyro]

Yep I just got mine

[supple hearth]

Sheeeesh

[proud holly]

Can anyone show the 113 with the spring camo, i RLY wanna see that

@jaunty wagon aight ty

[spark pumice]

spring camo definitely looks better than i was expecting

but well done wg on the super quick turnaround for rewards

[narrow tiger]

Nice, gj with fast delivery of rewards this season.

[vapid crypt]

Yes I got everything rn

[jaunty wagon]

@proud holly

[patent quartz]

@muted ore have you considered making animated professional camo's for a coming official tournament? or should we never expect it to happen?

[vapid crypt]

About the only tank I see it looks nice on tbh

[sly axle]

doesnt compare to winter camo sadly

[spark pumice]

stb looks good with it too imo

[jaunty wagon]

Yea winter was a nice camo

[steel shell]

Thanks wg!
(yes, i know the rest will come later)

[prime nacelle]

52 million bruh

[supple hearth]

Wow, rewards came on 5th day, well done WG

[storm herald]

😱!!!! OMG!!!!!!!

[vapid crypt]

Cringe

[proud holly]

ill take it

[patent quartz]

stonks

[dim pivot]

Here come ppl showing their 5 or 6 pro avatars

[steel shell]

59 now 😂

[storm herald]

Oh no 😐

[fallow raptor]

lmao ye i was wondering what the compensation was gonna be

[fast hare]

_Yaro#3252 has been warned.

[steel shell]

Yes, youre right @prime nacelle

[steel shell]

Used to be 25k if i am not wrong

[dapper vigil]

Getting credits instead of gold compensation for winning the tanks is sooooo dumb

[fallow raptor]

ye 25k creds i think per pro camo

[jade fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695038074438287410/847902273677033542/image0.png

[glad sphinx]

LMAO

@storm herald wait fr, did u just exchange that?

[fast hare]

_H_W#0969 has been warned.

[lusty flint]

Nice one 0 compensation 👍👍👍

[warped patrol]

🐸

[supple hearth]

Winter is the best cyber camo

[young furnace]

^

[covert flax]

This I agree with. Although I think fall is close behind it IMO

[supple hearth]

It is too dark

[narrow meteor]

It’s pretty bad ngl

[sinful crest]

Nah i think they saved the best for last the summer one looks sick

[thorn shale]

The winter looks so hot

Especially on a winter map. When JKR had it on their tanks for Winter Malinovka, that was 👌

[vale matrix]

winter cyber camo is fire 🥵

[vapid crypt]

I agree

[glad sphinx]

u got a pic?

@ancient shardty

[sinful crest]

Summer is so clean

[solid pine]

Same thing for me
Compensation: 0 😓

[patent quartz]

i didn't know this camo was worth nothing...

[covert flax]

My plan is to get all the seasons of pro camos, and flex them in the different environments in battles

[thorn shale]

Well before they gaved 10k credits so that was more funny tbh

[twilit venture]

thanks for rewards coming early, much appreciated 🙏

[spark pumice]

that is a very cool and interesting goal war machine | -PPS-

[covert flax]

thank u, i like to think it is 🙂

[royal locust]

Summer is hot

[proud holly]

I like the summer one too

also shoutout to the guys who managed to get our rewards out in like under a week

[covert flax]

Abousletly love it

[next trellis]

Ikr! It looks awesome and I am finally satisfied. I can leave the game in peace. @covert flax

[unique shoal]

@next trellis u forgot cyber summer

[sinful crest]

@next trellis take that back.

[proud holly]

^

[spark pumice]

lmao that moment when skirmish qts are still running on na for some reason

[sinful crest]

Grind doesn’t stop always gotta enjoy this moment

[proud holly]

i wanted to do one. but i had 2 final projects to do.
Im still doing one rn but its annoying so

[covert flax]

It truly does. Well done, and congrats!

[fast hare]

_Radium#7962 has been warned.

[next trellis]

May I ask why my original post depicting the 3 cyber camos was deleted when it did not violate any of the community guidelines?

[grim shadow]

Did you happen to include the letter ‘f’ in it?

[radiant cliff]

Hey devs, would it be possible to add another Tab to the team creation side where you can add a little bit of Text, maybe just when you want to Beginn to play or anything? That would make team creation and Organisation soooo much more comfortable 👍🙂
Also would make it easier if you get a lot of random invites like me to see when each team will beginn etc without needing to ask every leader personally. I think the change Overall wouldnt be too difficult to implement but would defo have some nice convenience perks

[vital obsidian]

That is a really good idea, now its complicated to tell when you approx going to start a qucik tour (unless you put start time in name of team)

[jolly kite]

Hope the Devs listen 😉

[limber lintel]

also, this issue of being stuck in the tournament, like a lot of clans that play PYS and get knocked out in first day. And usually they are the clan levels that aren't that tryhardy, just looking for some fun.

They get knocked out first day, so they can't do anything that day and the day after they can't join a QT or season coins, so they get to play like what? 6 battles absolute max, for 2 days.

It's no wonder a lot of lower level teams opt out of tournaments imo. There is no appeal in getting clapped and then not being able to do anything for 2 days.

That is also an issue WG needs to look into imo, appealing to a slightly lower level team, I would even consider a top24 teams fight like profs and challengers, not with a special avatar maybe. Just some ig goodies etc. but it makes it so top24 teams that lose motivation when top16 feels out of reach keep enrolling etc. so the cw scene can grow more

Because on EU in the first PYS there was 105 teams. This decreased to around 65-75 teams in 5 and 6. This seriously needs to be looked at

[vital obsidian]

Earlier low escelon top8 got rewards aswell if I remember correctly, this would encourage more teams to play

[pastel tartan]

yea we had top 8/upper echelon,challengers/middle and lower echelon so would also hope those make a comeback

[sinful crest]

When will summer season begin

[atomic tartan]

a week after Object 252U goes on sale for 8500 gold

[young furnace]

this man is spitting fax

[storm herald]

💀 I see it now. WGs marketing team with the big brain strat.

[winter swallow]

Strongest weakest MM is too simple. Like it works but I cant believe we need to see EG- and similar teams versuses a couple of teams with 45-55% average win rates. Ever.

[fast hare]

Panzer monkey#3500 was muted

[civic glacier]

@winter swallow papi

[winter swallow]

Can you imagine Cloud 9 or Faze having to play several hours a week on CS:GO/LoL etc. versus the weakest teams statistically in order to qualify for a major tournament?

Like - can you even imagine what that would look like - what the audiences would say? What the players would say? What it would say about the tournament's organisation and how it would reflect on the quality of the viewing experience?

The only reason we have such a bad system at the moment is because WG is too proud to copy other companies that run serious esports events and tournaments 😤 AND/OR lack the ability to design and/or implement a reasonable tournament structure.

We have 5+ years of tournament data. Why are we still seeding tournament fixtures using team averages of individual public battle statistics?

Want to know why no other game uses this system? Because it is a silly system.

[civic glacier]

The wr seeding problem doesn’t affect me personally but I understand the frustration some people have. Honestly don’t know why they don’t change it lol

[winter swallow]

That's a separate issue on EU with seeding not reflecting tournament ability 😆

However it does waste RGN'S time every single PYS lol

[royal locust]

Bro das fax tho lmaoooooooo

[vital obsidian]

WG has said - if I got it correct - for summer season the worst issues with wr 100 will be temporerely fixed, since it has grown out of all proportions. And for Autumn, we should have a brand new seeding system on place. So, it will be better I hope.

[wet tide]

They said that for spring too 😬

[glass thunder]

they didn't say that about spring they just said they are working on new system

[wet tide]

I guess it’s not the most clear on what but still xd

[jade hornet]

they just said they will "consider" fixing it in summer... so dont have too high expectations xd

[forest matrix]

If we had a good seeding top4 would most often get a bye.
That’s one of the advantage of seeding - ofc requires that you are doing it right

[limber lintel]

the thing is, if you are giving supposedly good teams a by, that means they don't have to prove that much to get to 2nd day. So how would they prove their skill

[upbeat iris]

By previous results, beating 50%’s doesn’t prove anything

[chilly hemlock]

What do you suggest instead? Genuinely curious

I see why no one wants to watch top 4 vs people we know don’t stand a chance. I get that. It is only fair that everyone gets a fair chance to win which is why we have those match ups but how do we make things a bit more competitive?

I have no clue how to do this but just follow the concept here. What if there was a clan ratings system? What if we had bronze, silver, gold, platinum and diamond ratings for clans where for certain high level tournaments, you must be ______ rating or higher to register?

Wg gives everyone a shot to make top 8 and it’s a fair shot. Yes seeding with the strongest v weakest stacks the cards against them but it is still a 7v7

[pastel tartan]

u also gotta remember that we get new clans each season for just that season alone and disband right after or even during it,so they would then go and complain again

[chilly hemlock]

Perhaps an incentive not to

I’m sure it can be done in such a way that you could grind rating in the off season if you don’t have a rating but did quite well. To me it makes more sense to encourage people to stick together and continue to work on getting better than to explode a team a start over

[noble star]

The older system where one needed tickets of a certain level to enter the tournament could do pre ‘weeding’ that way before your even close to finding a regional top group , you have a little bit more competitive games. You can then have a round robin tournament of the top teams in each region. Which I suggest would be more interesting than the current setup.

[thorn shale]

I personally have less issue with the strongest vs weakest seeding than I do with how “strongest” and “weakest” are determined. Surely there is a better method of determining that than the face value winrate of the 7 highest win rate players.

I’m genuinely curious to see what WG roll out for Blitz Cup

[crisp shore]

What I have thought most recently is to bring round robin to the first day of games to minimise the impact of seeding plus it allows teams not as competitive to play more games on that day, rather than getting knocked out on the first or second game against the best team on the server. For example, we can have groups of 6 teams with the 3 best teams going to the next day.

This will help the most especially for both Asia and NA servers, where the number of teams on the second day is lower than the number of "competitive" teams. In a scenario with 24 teams, we will have 12 teams on the second day, up by 4 teams in the previous method.

[thorn shale]

Round robin for qualifying would take far too long

[open zealot]

Unfortunately round robins at that stage take forever, and we already know round robins even in the final stage can be quite lengthy

[thorn shale]

I think the PYS system works fine in the sense that I like how it’s formatted (2 days, a group stage and a final stage) but I think we can all agree the biggest issue with the PYS is how the teams are seeded

[crisp shore]

Nope, if you divide the teams into groups of 6 teams, the schedule is exactly the same -- 5 best-of-3 games per team that can be held without overlapping teams. Currently, there are 5 games per day during PYS. There should be no issue with the schedule at all.

Some groups may have 4 or 5 teams, which would not be an issue still as 5 teams will still generate 5 games at most per round.

[thorn shale]

Yes but the number of groups would be a lot higher @crisp shore.... so what do you do when 10 teams all finished first at the end of their group? That would create a problem no?

[crisp shore]

This change only applies to the first day with round robin instead of single elimination. The second day remains the same with single elimination. How you seed the teams on the second day will be first according to the group ranking, then the cups leaderboard ranking, and at the very last resort the existing fixed seeding we have.

[thorn shale]

They’re canceling the tournament, because of the virus that’s main symptom is no symptoms. No one’d get covid

[limber lintel]

they can players sign an agreement in which the players agree to the risks and take responsibility, I think legally it's easy to make it work.

I think the annoying thing is organizing, since covid rules change in countries a lot, and if bubble sizes are decreased to like 4 right before the tournament, it could make logistics at the tournament a nighmare

And of course trying to ensure player safety, even if they signed an agreement

[thorn shale]

It’s been like 1,5 year since it started and I’ve so far been feeling just great. Conclusion covid=casual flu that got shout out by media

[modest whale]

Bruh moment
"I feel fine so covid isn't a problem"
Tell that to the 3.5m people who died

[thorn shale]

Unluckily for you no one I know died so I can’t be bothered by this number

[noble star]

You can’t sign away rights with a waiver, and waivers under duress are unenforceable. No one is going to Belarus for the foreseeable future due to many reasons.

[fast hare]

LastAFK✨#3085 has been warned.

[crisp shore]

I frankly believe the next Twister Cup would not be in Minsk but in Vilnius due to the situation described above. Hopefully, everything will resume to normality soon but we'll never know the evolution of COVID-19 sadly 😦

[noble star]

Have it in Cyprus - WG HQ home - plus it has some nice beaches

[fast hare]

Cyclist On a Mission#6808 was softbanned

[upper oar]

NYC/London would probably make the most sense

[open zealot]

Have a mobile masters again

[chilly hemlock]

That’s on Amazon

Not wg

[proud holly]

no london

[slender harness]

i agree with the old bronze -> silver -> gold system

[thorn shale]

Doesnt matter the place. Just have offline. Easy

[fast hare]

LastAFK✨#3085 was muted

[royal locust]

It’s not necessary for the tournament to have a location especially during a pandemic there should just be how it’s been where ppl play from home

[frosty nexus]

@here
Dear tankers,

Spring Season 2021 is over but tournament players are awaiting for more and looking for details of the upcoming season.
We would like to help you in planning your trainings (and free time) for the summer and share some details of Summer Season 2021.

The Summer Season 2021 starts at July 2nd and ends on July 31st. Only the month!
By your comments and feedback we implemented some changes about qualyfing stage and finals tournaments.

1. Tournament series are back. During the next season we would like to check how tournament series (Bronze, Silver, Gold) may work as qualiers. The goal - determine strongest teams and distribute fairly clans in the leaderboard (preliminary dates: from July 3rd to July 22nd). Tier - X.

2. Seeding principle "Strongest-Weakest" is discussing a lot in the game community for a long time. The reason is a weakness in the tournament team formula which is still under reworking. That's why we decided to implement as a temporarly fix the seeding princinple - "Random". By this, different teams may be combined in the group and no matter what % of victories they have. The power of the each team and clan will be determined by battles in the tournament series and winning the prize places.

3. Not only teams from Upper and Middle echelons may show themselves in the Summer season! The Lower echelon championship will happen! The key tournaments will be hold from July 28th to July 31st (dates are preliminary).

And finally we're looking to add few tournaments in the formats 2vs2, 3vs3, 5vs5. And also tournaments with a coins in rewards and bundles for them!

Stay tuned and keep on reading news to be informed about details of the upcoming season!

[graceful flame]

ok

[raven basalt]

kool

[foggy vessel]

Ok

[vital turtle]

Nice

[thorn shale]

Nice

Ok

[pale plinth]

Nice

[static root]

nice

[lone valve]

Cool

[thorn shale]

k

[dawn monolith]

woah ok

[lethal portal]

will this be another tier 8 tournament

[thorn shale]

pog moment

[queen sundial]

OwO new garage?

[thorn shale]

Nice

[oblique beacon]

LMAO i'll steal that

[dapper crescent]

Honestly same

[wild bolt]

Make the tournaments in gravity force.

[quartz sand]

Thank you 😁

[ember marlin]

Nice I think these are good changes
Random mm is something you cant rage at

[cobalt panther]

No more wr seeding

[dire torrent]

*Ok

[crisp shore]

Really happy to see Wargaming making changes to the upcoming season and I can't wait how this format will work in Summer Season

[urban cobalt]

Lit. About time

[tall lagoon]

@oblique beacon@dapper crescent@thorn shale😒

[chrome scarab]

what prize can you get ? 907 ? 👀

[fast hare]

cAR#0686 was muted

✞"Unknown Russian"✞#5694 was muted

Eisenmsks#4271 was muted

[crisp shore]

Unfortunately, I am still worried about both Asia and NA servers as the new format is not going to solve the problem with both servers having very few teams, especially the non-competitive teams. We might even see only 4 teams in the Gold tournament for the Asia server, which will not be nice.

If the grouping for these two servers will be 8 teams per group, that will stimulate a lot more competition for these small servers, especially for the middle echelon, because they don't get enough games during the season to prove their worth.

[fast hare]

KingNyx75077#5180 has been warned.

[inland loom]

Bye bye seeding

[fast hare]

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[candid lance]

So many people muted

[reef wyvern]

Ikr

[ember marlin]

I think that overall however the format changes and a tournament for the 17-24 people are welcome changes

Plus with random mm yes you're hoping for good mm but I think getting rid of wr rigging as a strat for getting top 8 makes the best 8 teams get into top 8, not the teams that had bad seeding and got slammed by the rgns and pramos of the world
It's a better trade

[leaden belfry]

Glad to see the different series being brought back, that gives a bit more for everyone.
Making seeding random will give other issues, but it's way better than the seeding abuse. So I definitely get wg trying that out again.
Sincerely hope the new system will be ready come autumn season though

[vital obsidian]

@frosty nexus Will the tournament series bronze-silver-gold, which will work as qualifiers, be held already in June?

[crisp shore]

That will completely replace the PYS I believe

[cobalt panther]

@frosty nexus How many "prove your skills" will there be? I hope it will be more than 6 honestly.

Edit: Hmm ok, seems interesting

[frosty nexus]

@vital obsidianduring the season, that means - July

@cobalt pantherno PYS tourneys. Tournament series will be held instead of them

[limber musk]

mission marathon also like wot pc

[crisp shore]

@frosty nexus Will there be 8 or 16 teams in one group for Bronze Tournament? I hope there will be 8 because we will not have a reduced number of teams in the Gold series.

Will the teams be allocated automatically on the second day or do they have to register separately on the second day? (I still have Gold and Silver series tickets so that could be an issue)

[frosty nexus]

@crisp shore8
They have to register using tickets

[vital obsidian]

8 randomly chosen day 1 ?

[cobalt panther]

Abusing tickets returning monkaS

[little shard]

Pog

[limber musk]

how to get tickets?

[crisp shore]

Fabulous! 8 teams!! 🥳 We will get to see more exciting battles going on for the Asia and NA servers definitely!

That being said, I hope the tickets are specific to a date because we don't want a repeat of what happened in 2020 Spring 👀

[fast hare]

★대봄Daebom#0748 was muted

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[patent quartz]

Muting streak lol

[analog osprey]

They deserve

[thorn shale]

Ticket abuse back?

Thanks for your work WG and keep going <3

[grim shadow]

can someone explain what this ticket abuse method is?

[chilly hemlock]

Random seeding is certainly not a step in the right direction and is potentially far worse than allowing the win rate boosting so this should be fun to watch. 5 years of tournament data and now 2 seasons in a row waiting for a new seeding system? It better be worth the wait

[shrewd surge]

What does Wargaming mean by "tournament (bronze silver gold)"? They want to make tourneys specifically for those leagues?

[chilly hemlock]

First and foremost, some of us already have left over tickets from previous years if I’m correct. So that poses an obvious problem. The second thing is that certain clans register extra teams or less teams depending on how many teams/brackets will be in the finals. If you have enough teams capable of registering, you can shift the number of teams that make the finals in your favor

[thorn shale]

Spring 2020 tickets also existed. Some teams one day didnt got those tickets so they couldnt register for the “ticket” day. They called ppl from other clans which got the tickets and made them play in their clan. So they didnt lost the cups cos they got a team, which is not their team. I think i explained correctly

[cobalt panther]

Yeah thats what happened

[grim shadow]

Makes sense. Thanks for the explanations

[crisp shore]

Spring 2020 problem was also exacerbated by the number of cups distribution which is very unreasonable too. That I think will play a huge role in the motivation of potential ticket abuse in the Summer Season

[latent olive]

I see no harm in experimenting for the Summer Season tbf , and at least T8 was dropped instantly lol - who knows maybe the 'Tour Series' will be an improved version of the bronze/silver/gold, which werent that bad really when you come to think of it. Yes there was some abuse, but there will always be abuse somewhere, even when the 100% WR thing goes a new way to abuse and manipulate will be found and exploited

[wet tide]

Really thanks
You don’t know how happy you made me and probably a lot of other cw players

[limber lintel]

Sounds interesting,

Even if it doesnt work ou as intended, its good to see WG experimenting with new ideas, credits where credits due, :heart:

[proud holly]

The fact that there’s a lower bracket championship is pretty interesting. Maybe it’ll attract more NA teams depending on rewards

[slender harness]

asia: nothing changes
lower echelon doesnt exist to us
how sad our place is

[frank forum]

No quick to night?

[glad sphinx]

Very interesting, lower bracket tourney, random seeding, 🤔
So basically, every top 8 team can't be seeded into one group since it's random seeding,:thinking:

[hallow coral]

wholesome

[solid pine]

Indeed this is true. I have a fee Golden tickets so I’m sure that’ll pose a problem.

[thorn shale]

What about rule that clan can run only one team? To avoid secure top 8 place this way... (more teams higher chance to get into second day)

[austere forge]

ive been asking and talking about a different format for a couple years

[thorn shale]

Hopefully from the way Knopka wrote the message, random seeding will just be a temporary measure. I don’t think she was implying that it will be used for a big tournament, aka Blitz Cup

[forest matrix]

Ngl seing people happy to have random seeding back just illustrates how sick was the previous one.
Let’s be happy still that WG have changed something.
How many tournaments will there be? I have the feeling this summer will imply a lot of tryhard

• very good to have lower echelon tournament back ! Somehow restore my faith that what is written here is read 😄

[crisp shore]

6

[jolly kite]

Is there anyone who can explain to me the new tournament system? Gold, Silver and Bronze How will they be classified? Or work this way? + Has this system been made before? "I want to watch it on YouTube"

[narrow tiger]

It would be nice to see full description of this format.

[forest matrix]

@frosty nexus should we understand that the rankings will be team based and not clan based ? This is very very crucial !

[thorn shale]

@frosty nexus @muted ore Hello. Thanks for your announcement regarding Summer season. I think a lot of us really wants to know the answer to the question planned above. Thanks

[worthy trail]

what happened to the quick tournaments that were meant to happen today?

[austere forge]

Memorial Day in the States

[austere forge]

The way im understanding it is that the the whole tournament will take a few days.....everyone starts at the same place.....the top 2 from each pool will get gold tickets to play in gold tournament.....the 3rd and 4th will get tickets to play in Silver tournament.....the teams that are left play for Bronze. 8 teams will make up each pool. "Cups" will determine final seeding for Season championship?

[chilly hemlock]

It just amazes me that we take a bad system which is easily rigged and go to the old system that was easily rigged 🙄

[forest matrix]

They will probably create new tickets otherwise ... lol i just can’t imagine this

[austere forge]

with all due respect to you and PRAMO but how many Pramo guys played on VOIDS NA Cup team this last "Twister season"/

[chilly hemlock]

That’s because our “pramo” team is made up of half pramo and half void. It has since 2019

We played one season under the void name. All we did was move the team from one clan to another. The team remained the same

[chilly hemlock]

When have they ever done that?😉

[austere forge]

Fair enough i guess 😉

[spark pumice]

at least with random seeding there’s no way for teams to individually rig the system in their favor and on paper everyone is on a level playing field. Of course we know that isn’t going to happen and there are probably going to be teams with much better rng and seeding than others. the bronze silver gold league system though 🙃🙃

[proud holly]

What is the league system actually. I don’t think I fully understood how the gold, silver, etc series work.

[chilly hemlock]

How many people have old tickets? It won’t be a clean slate until we all start blank

[chilly hemlock]

My idea or what was posted by knopka?

[austere forge]

Upper Middle Lower Echelon system is already in place. This just changes the name takes the Weakest vs Strongest seeding out of play and gives the middle and lower something to fight for......i.e. Challengers and Pro championships.

[onyx hare]

why hello jrue

[austere forge]

The cream will still rise to the top. This seems like much closer to how the World Cup of soccer is set up. There will be Groups of Death and some teams may not make the gold series in various weeks......

[solid pine]

Removing the old tickets from everyone’s storage would be a good start. Better to have it done sooner rather than later

[sinful crest]

random seeding seems scary tbh

[forest matrix]

I have 7 old gold and 5 silver

[spark pumice]

i have a tier 6 silver ticket!!! watch out people

[supple hearth]

I don’t have any, I wasn’t playing at that time lol

[narrow mountain]

next season starts in July, but when is the next regular tournament?

[wet tide]

Don’t think I can do much with those xdddd

[limber lintel]

playing tournaments before 2021, pff tryhard

[proud holly]

Knopka but I’m free to hear about what you meant too

[gentle mango]

Limit one team from the clan

[terse perch]

Where my pro tikkit goe?

[austere forge]

virtually impossible.......especially when some clans are families and multiple clans that feed into each other

[limber lintel]

that doesn't change that one clan is able to field only one team, which means only one team can generate cups, not the best performing team of the clan for the isolated Prove Your skill #?

[gentle mango]

agree. So just do another register system for teams but not for clans. On WGnet for examle. U register 10 players and cant change them while season

[austere forge]

The clan doesnt accumulate cups the team does......for instances PRAMO Speed and PRAMO Cry about it.......Pramo didnt accumulate the cups both teams did (may have the team names wrong sorry boys)
if a clan forms 2 teams it wouldnt be in the best interest of either team to skip a week or alternate as theyd have no chance to get enough cups to play for the end of season championship

[austere forge]

Most "big" tournaments PYS Cup/Ticket tournaments are clan only

[fresh lance]

Random seeding it's going to be more ""fair"" for smaller teams, but imagine top 4 clans having to face each other several times due to bad luck basically and since the pys are single elimination one of them loses the chances that day, it could make top 8 appearances odd

[austere forge]

I agree it will be more fair.....but i also see some exceptional battles before the end of the season championships......and lets face it those great clans are going to find a way thru.......maybe it will shake up the top 16 a little bit. is that such a bad thing? right now more often than not the top 16 is comprised of clans that basically knocked out a 16 seed and maybe a 12th seed to make it to 3rd or 4th round of the PYS.
the issue that could arise is that if we have 2 top 8 or 16 clans face off do we see one of the "lay" down to let the other win the cups. Does Void lay down for Pramo (sorry i really dont mean to keep throwing that out there but its easy and everyone knows you)

[fresh lance]

It's not about laying down, if you put 2 clans that are extremely good against each other in the first round, that means that 2 other clans that aren't as good will be getting more cups just for the fact that one of them has to advance, so a very good clan won't be getting cups while another one that isn't as good will. Like i agree wr rigging is annoying but i don't think that random matchups are the solution

[austere forge]

yeah and the following week that may flip flop

[vital obsidian]

Clan family teams usually throw, same as teams from same clan. Maybe not always intentional, but it looks like that. Nothing to do about that as wg do nothing

[lunar stirrup]

.

[austere forge]

Maybe im just being an ass but it may be neat to see some of the top clans get a little bloody before Challengers and Pro tournaments. if your clan is decent youll more that likely be viewing the tournament from the same place that you did in the spring

[thorn shale]

If gold tickets work, damn that would be so easy to exploit, lots of ogs have tons of gold tickets, I have around 4 gold tickets and 6 silver ones

[austere forge]

Yeah but does the rest of your team

[winged saffron]

If it comes back how it did before, individuals can submit multiple tickets

[silver vapor]

Good to see the series tournaments making a return. Hopes this lays the required foundation for a better seeding system in the future.

[austere forge]

im hoping it brings more teams into the bigger tournament pool......Wargaming could make a ton of money with a new format and more players participating

[limber lintel]

*more people watching

[austere forge]

thats true also......although the majority only watch Twister and the Regional cups.....i know viewership was down at least on NA for the Spring championships

That being said there were no rewards to watch either

[proud holly]

They aren’t doing it in single elimination style

At the same time, I have no idea how do tournament series function

[thorn shale]

We all have at least 1 lol

[silver vapor]

A lot of things are interconnected in the tournament scene, whether it be team count, number of quality teams and viewership.... And by extension the prize pool. These are all meant to be scaled altogether as they go up.

I won't say that holding these numbers from going up was the seeding and tournament structure, but I do think it have a moderate impact on that. If the new bronze silver and gold tours proved to be welcoming for the entire scene and the new seeding system which is coming soon complements the new tournament structure well (not just the top teams benefitting from it), it will encourage more teams to participate in the grind, and more competitiveness as better teams steps into the higher echelons, and by extension again, more viewership and etc.

[vital marsh]

Question, for the autumn we gonna get crate with rewards like the 2020 autumn season?

[austere forge]

I think that’s at least what I was getting at just didn’t write it as eloquently

There are a lot of really good clans out there that don’t even attempt Tier 10 because there’s no point

[winged saffron]

Smashes X to doubt

[proud holly]

That’s doesn’t sound like a good clan at all 🤨

[winged saffron]

I would like a list of good clans that don’t play tier 10

[austere forge]

Who do you boys play for

[winged saffron]

What good clans don’t play tier 10

[austere forge]

all the ones that dont wanna draw Void pramo reign hated etc in the first round

[proud holly]

And you conveniently don't want to name them? Even though they're good clans?

[winged saffron]

Could I have the names of some of those clans that are good that do not play tier 10

[austere forge]

ROCKN is good TXRG were good til they imploded......Did any of the Flash clans run anything more than season coins? All decent clans that with a different format may venture into those tournaments

or is it than anything under Unicum level clan shouldnt have an opportunity to play in those tournaments because they arent "Good" .......Hell did PURPL run this season?

[thick elk]

💀

[red vapor]

MAXX is also a good clan if I recall

[austere forge]

Eh thanks mate......we try but i wouldnt call us good on the comp level.....we had a few moments here and there. most of us are older guys with wives and families. We sure as hell dont shy away from it thats for sure

[thick elk]

Yea MAXX seems to be putting the hurt on teams in those t6 qts

[austere forge]

working on training some new guys......gotta start somewhere

[thick elk]

Understandable, bring out some 252us in t8 and u will be whoppin some booty there too

[austere forge]

Thought you were poking fun......When they went on sale i blared for the guys to buy them......Problem is that our clan lead is an Ass and kinda dumb.......hes constantly pushing to play in the Tier 10's 😉

[thick elk]

Some t10 here and there can’t hurt 🙂

[grim vine]

I agree, ROCKN is very good, they are one of my favorite clans!

[sinful crest]

Relax.

[austere forge]

but they dont run tier 10 tourneys

[proud holly]

we talking about "good in comp"?
or good as in having an amiable playerbase

[austere forge]

I mean they have good players than handle themselves in tourneys. But don’t bother with 10 because of seeding

[thick elk]

Well there are t10 qts which seeding is non existent and are for learning t10 tourney play basics

[atomic tartan]

dude i've read this twice by now and i still have no idea what you're on about lmao

[tardy bay]

@austere forge whats your favorite clan?

[proud holly]

Oh yeah can anyone explain to me how are the Tournament Series (the thing that's apparently replacing PYS) going to work?
Is it like QT tours? Round robin?

[austere forge]

lmao MIne........work ethic single elimantion top 2 get gold tickets 3 and 4 get silver....other 4 duke it out for bronze

[atomic tartan]

you said that there are supposedly capable clans discouraged by seeding. but that's kinda the point of it, to weed out the supposed and the real substance. tournaments with seeding like this are about Top 8 then Top 4, eventually concluding in Top 1.

so the strongest to weakest absolutely does work in filtering the 89347243 clans which would register otherwise as you saw in the 1st Twister Qualifiers. if clans drop out after the 1st ascent, well, at least they stop wasting their time on something they know they're not good enough for lol

[thorn shale]

😳 amogus

[harsh ember]

Interesting choice, I have to admit I am also scared of playing hated

[proud holly]

tfw no answer

[austere forge]

i have no freaking clue what that means lol

[sinful crest]

i like tournament

[young furnace]

I agree with you young man

[warm ether]

@austere forge you living under a rock or smth

[maiden anvil]

stop being disrespectful please

[austere forge]

What is better for the game, the player base, and the company that puts this game in our hands? I respect you guys and have rooted and watched you guys thru all the tournament streams including the last one.....youre still going to be top dog until you truly get unseated. Why does seeding below you even matter

[red vapor]

@sinful crest hello

[atomic tartan]

i'm not seeing what your point is lol

[austere forge]

my point is simple......if everyone below the top 16 tournament teams quit because theres nothing to play for there go your trips to minsk and the cash you win at the end of the tournament season. I dont understand why you care

[slender harness]

maybe it could be a new league style
but the old system was
bronze - single elimination (free application)
silver and gold - double elimination (silver ticket 3-4th, gold ticket 1-2nd)

if i remember correctly

[proud holly]

So how does the system decided which league does a team go to @slender harness

[austere forge]

ive been playing this game for 5 years and have been clan lead for 3......we've never shyed away from going into ascents of PYS despite knowing our fate before the battles even started......far from being under a rock.......what i dont understand is why everyone that is in the top 16 is concerned about this. Is it because youll have to grind the tournaments as well instead of drawing a 16 seed in the first round?

[thorn shale]

Random seeding just doesn’t work for large tournaments @austere forge

It’s fine for a small scale tournament with no prize money

But there’s a reason strongest v weakest seeding exists for large cash tournaments

[austere forge]

You mean like FIFA World Cup type tournaments? Where theres a draw and you gotta play your way out of your Group? or just in video game with pixelated tanks?

[thorn shale]

@austere forge lol, comparing the largest sporting tournament in the world that takes a year+ to even qualify for to a tank game tournament?

And the way the qualifying works for the World Cup is actually not random, it’s in a round robin format with a point table.

In fact no serious sporting event that I know of uses random seeding.

It’s usually done in round robin format because pro sporting events have an entire season of many months to prepare for a final.

Blitz has to expedite that process, thus the strongest vs weakest seeding format we’ve seen for many years.

[austere forge]

The final draw is totally random.....and largest sporting event or not its the same concept (jerk youre immune to slowmode lol)

and you still have to play out of your division, league, etc and that determines your seed in all sports.....do you really think one season of a new format is going to hurt REIGN? Lets see how it plays out. My personal prediction is that it doesnt really change anything especially at the top.......middle echelon may get a little muddled but even there it shouldnt change much

[thorn shale]

Correct, but at that point, it’s the top teams from every region.

[thorn shale]

And to be blunt, I’m not talking about the random seeding format out of concern. I am, like many other people here, expressing my concern about the issues that would arise if random seeding was implemented for something like Blitz Cup in the fall

[austere forge]

fair enough......i just dont think its going to matter in the end

[slender harness]

is this a viable measure of a player's contribution towards tournaments for seeding?
since it is accumulated over time?

[proud holly]

I'm pretty sure that those get removed after each season @slender harness

I guess? I mean i think those cups mostly come from how many battles u participated in. Very little basis in my opinion

[slender harness]

you can use the previous season as a basis no?

[austere forge]

the only issue with using that as an indicator is even if you lose first round you still get Cups

[slender harness]

everyone gets cups per season , so nobody who participates doesnt get 0
doesnt that mean that they still get higher seeding than players who played no tournaments?
combine each individual player cups instead to judge a team

[silver vapor]

Ideally a similar system but the cups expire over time. You don't really want a team to be disadvantaged just because they don't have a 5 year tournament veteran on their team.

Refer to my badges idea here: #tourneys-discussion message

[spark pumice]

could someone explain how the bronze silver gold leagues will work if they are the same as seasons in the past

[silver vapor]

50% of actual benefit and 50% of what I wanted to see

1. Easier on mid-lower level teams as they can play against teams of their own calibre, and incorporate them into the qualification process to the major tour instead of branching out a coins tour just for them.

2. (What I'd like to see but unlikely to happen) Adoption of a change in seeding system. Having a tiered league will work very well if your seeding system is "tournament achievement based" instead
   of "random battle performance based". For example: 300 seeding points if you win in gold, 100 if you win in silver and 50 if you win in bronze.

3. Times are a bit different, at least to me on the Asia server where participation wasn't the best. The old qualification process at 2017 when tiered league was you earn ticket to participate in twister cup via gold league, and it wasn't clear which exact gold league tours give out these tickets (because it wasn't all gold tours that give out the qualification ticket, iirc) and twister cup format itself was a bit jank to say the least. Now we have a solid top 8 system and enough interest in this major tour series for all 4 regions (at least Asia is now mature enough imo) to justify bringing back the tiered league system.

Anyways I'm pretty optimistic about the seeding change, though I still insist on the "tournament achievement based" seeding in favour of any form of "random battle performance based" seeding as it matches the definition of seeding better and will deliver more consistent results.

[wet tide]

@frosty nexus Hello, what will you guys do with the tickets that veterans still have left over from ages ago?
Perfect!

[frosty nexus]

@wet tideit will be removed from the accounts

[leaden belfry]

@frosty nexus Will wg implement anything to avoid the getting players to switch clans to play with tickets they've earned elsewhere to abuse the ticket system like they did the last time we had it? or will the tickets be tied to clans rather than players?

[thorn shale]

Any reward for the people having tickets?

[silver vapor]

compensation for gold ticket ()

[frosty nexus]

@leaden belfryduring the series - no, for the major tournaments - I suppose yes

@thorn shalenope

[wet tide]

For those that don’t really know the old series system (including me), can anyone explain how it works/where to find an explanation from wg?

[glass thunder]

you have blonz tournament top 4 teams from each group get ticket to silver tournament
then same top4 from each group in silver get ticket to gold tournament
its almost same as PYS but with 3 stages

[chilly hemlock]

Lol

[analog osprey]

Isn’t top3-4 get silver tickets and top1-2 get gold tickets?

[chilly hemlock]

For silver series

Bronze I think top 4 teams get silver tickets

[dim pivot]

They changed it when they brought it back for a short while no?
Where bronze gave silver to 3-4 and gold to 1-2

The one ur talking abt is original one i think?

[chilly hemlock]

Maybe. Idk why you’d go from bronze straight to gold though

[glass thunder]

maybe i forgot exact numbers xd

[analog osprey]

@chilly hemlock 3 stages is too much. If there are 2 stages u can play 2 qualifiers tourney the week

[chilly hemlock]

I never said I liked the format

[wet tide]

Thanks bro

[forest matrix]

3 stages would be kinda stupid with a random draw at first. Best thing would be to have more tournaments to mitigate than huge chain of tournament based on the same draw

[austere forge]

I understood it to be 1-2 out of initial pool get Gold tickets teams 3-4 get silver and the rest duke it out in bronze

[austere forge]

Very well spoken imo and i agree. Hopefully the upper clans dont see huge difference as the tournaments progress and the lower clans get some benefit from it. as it stands now the lower clans (the 16 seeds) get hammered by the top clans creates defeatist attitude and hurts the over all game imo......see yinz all in summer
Despite my views and your views i truly enjoyed the discussion and the intermixing of the community. At the end of the day we all love this game and want to see it continue. We are the game and the intermixing of ideas and discussion is good for us and the game. o7 boys and girls see ya on the battlefield. Happy Tanking

[austere forge]

Question for everyone......how does the switch work as far as mobile/Touch only tournaments

[forest matrix]

It’s authorized

[austere forge]

ok

[floral mortar]

Does that mean the joycons are considered touch screen or do you have to play actually touching the screen?

[carmine solstice]

I’ve seen people previously ask about combining pro avatars into a new/different colour one. Does anyone know what the response to that was? Kinda sad that all can be done with them is exchange for splinters XD

[thorn shale]

Would be cool to have a pro avatar dedicated to each season

[forest matrix]

I have no clue about detailed control - just remember the question was asked for spring season and answer was yes it is considered as touch controls

[sinful crest]

Do you guys like tournaments ?

[clear heart]

Why not?

[royal locust]

Yes

[noble star]

@floral mortar in the past you needed to be in touch. So using a controller wasn’t possible - now with Switch and Controller support returned / it will be interesting to see how WG rules on that. For non Switch users that is.

[still yoke]

Never played in them

[floral mortar]

Right, I am just wondering if they have to only utilize the touch screen or if the joy cons will be permitted. Similarly to if I set mma 2in1 laptop into tablet mode and utilize the touch mode

[radiant kelp]

???

[grim shadow]

His homework

[viral shuttle]

@crisp shore how do you use the free cams during tournaments/training rooms?

[fast hare]

Tomas3457/pendrek#6876 was muted

[mystic dew]

Press C@viral shuttle

[crisp shore]

Press C to enter free cam mode, Q to elevate, and E to drop

[viral shuttle]

Appreciate

[narrow meteor]

It would be Poggers if they introduced players POV to spectating

[crisp shore]

Even better if they change the elevation controls back to R as elevate and F to drop

[limber lintel]

they already said it would cost too many resources, so don't expect it to come any time soon I'd say

[winter swallow]

This has been asked for in the past but apparently no one wants it / that's not how people enjoy blitz as an esport.

I disagree.

I think having the players POV and control moves on screen would be epic.

Ever wondered how many contacts/motions a super unicum makes compared to the average player? Would be enlightening for people to see IMO.

[calm atlas]

Yes players POV and team voice during games pls, it would be best👽

[lusty flint]

team voice 🤣

[proud holly]

Can someone explain how the tournament series (which supposedly will replace the PYS tournaments) is going to function? Is it round-robin? Two strikes you're out? Single elimination? Double?

I'm also interested in how the league series (Gold, Silver, Bronze, ???) are determined.

[scenic thorn]

Will it be mixed controls?

[patent quartz]

most of high level CW players have their cam to move around epilepticaly, i wish it was in game aswell but idk if watching a slide-show would be enjoyable to everyone, the snipermode part tho would be cool indeed

[flat goblet]

Lmao so true. Spinning camera around and zooming in and out repeatedly

[spark pumice]

viewers will probably get motion sickness before anything else

[narrow meteor]

I have already thought about this problem and came up with a quick solution. Just don’t spectate those players

[winter swallow]

well imagine if we had cutaway sniper views - like the streamer can toggle a popup window on screen that shows a selected players sniper mode / player view.

Why would someone not want to see that?

[glass thunder]

yes i would pay to hear ventiom voice

[calm atlas]

I can record all games now with voice and then sell to u

[glass thunder]

yes pls

[royal locust]

Moible free cam when

[vital obsidian]

Himmelsdorf back in X map pool?

[scenic thorn]

🤔

[thorn shale]

Eh?
For me C is reloading a clipped tank
But anyway more on that later
Tomorrow Asian time in Asian server I want to participate in the tier7-8 tournament, Asian server people you guys wanna join? (Nam will be released later)

[crisp shore]

That's for spectator mode, not when you play

[terse perch]

I like watching tournament streams.

[supple hearth]

Himelsdorf?

[upper oar]

yussss

🙏

@signal lagoon

[thorn shale]

Stupid wr mechanism in tournaments still stongest ws lowest stinks.Yes now spamming accounts with 100wr and big wallet. Not always about clan .. you play one good game after that all bullet bounce.

[chilly hemlock]

Then stat pad or reroll 100%

Everyone else deals with it. You can too

[jolly kite]

Maybe on this way
U should force the clan to be good
Make some tactics and where u should hold and when u should push
Btw read the pin massage.

[thorn shale]

Tournament thing just stinks but no can do.

[thorn shale]

Dude Himmelsdorf is a great map. I genuinely miss its exclusion from the current map roster

Would love to see Himmels return for Blitz Cup 2021

[upper oar]

our team is 4-0 tonight on Himmelsdorf lol

op map

[terse perch]

Himmels is like only terrible if you play rails well at least in pubs

[upper oar]

pubs is a whole different story

[sinful crest]

Himmels seems like a Yukon type of map

[proud holly]

how come it was taken off from the tourny list in the first place?

[upper oar]

rotation

[sinful crest]

@frosty nexus @Sirius#5892 thanks for having quick rewards during spring season both in game and monetary 🙂

[vital obsidian]

Will it be in summer map pool 🤷‍♀️

[slender harness]

himmels, canyon, yamato added back

[jade hornet]

also for the qualifiers?

[slender harness]

only quick tournaments so far, but there is a possibility

[wet tide]

Oh please no….
No yamatooooooo
No canyoooooon

[sinful crest]

Bruh Yamato and canyon for tier ten comp would be so brutal

[narrow tiger]

Yeah, lets play copperfield too.

[chilly hemlock]

Did that in clan wars years ago. It’s was awful

[slate cloud]

When do coin tournaments start again? @vague swallow

[limber lintel]

I really enjoy canyon for cw, it would be totally awesome to not be able to move because a vickers on mid would spot everything and there's crossfire lanes everywhere, would really enjoy that map, cough cough

[slim blade]

Canyon is an unbelievably unbalanced map

[jade hornet]

oh and YaMaTo HaRbOr wIlL aLsO bE sO nIcE

[analog osprey]

Himmelsdorf +++++ but they have to expand

[limber lintel]

open the castle and it would make it a lot more interesting, maybe not as high as PC tho, that would be a pain

[glass thunder]

No way e5 or kran will make tjat vickers useless

[limber lintel]

not really, Vickers spots literally everything cus of the range, with heavies only you don't have that vision to see literally every enemy crossing to any of the caps

[sonic iron]

👀

[signal lagoon]

Himmelsdorf is a god tier map, but Yamato and Canyon are.... eh.......

[flat goblet]

Yamato sucks

[merry blade]

Yeah honestly Yamato back in the day was literally, get into good positions. Camp for 2 mins and pretend like the brawl wasn’t going to happen on heavy side while having the occasional med middle map brawl

[sinful crest]

So does canyon

[proud holly]

Did WG ever considering making it mandatory for accounts [that want to be on tournies] to have a specific number of public battles in tier (etc)?
If i recall, most 100% rerolls come from winning one battle, and then spamming ratings in a t10 or whatever.

[merry blade]

a question everyone has asked but wg says they would fix, "would fix" or at least say it's in development, or a new system is being thought of so it will take time

[crisp shore]

@frosty nexus Sorry for ping but is Wargaming considering bringing back Himmelsdorf, Yamato Harbor and Canyon back to tier 10 map pool during Summer Season?

[thorn shale]

No pls dont, map pool is fine

[sweet flax]

nah himmels would be a good addition.
yamato is 50/50, but canyon is way too unbalanced for comp. its very one sided for A and C for each spawn.

[outer isle]

Where I can find 2vs2 tournaments?
Never heard of them before

[limber lintel]

+1

the maps in now are better than the ones being tested in QTs now, the only map that wasn't in map rotation that looked kinda good for cw was Lost Temple maybe, but that has now been removed for reworks, so...

😂

[atomic tartan]

Lost Temple would be interesting. actually haven't been there in years

[proud holly]

Temple Drills 😏

[flat goblet]

Steps brawls on repeat

[atomic tartan]

Rack an IS-7 in a river push

[sinful crest]

+1

[upper oar]

@fervent vector #tourneys-team-search

[glass thunder]

#welovesp1t

[terse perch]

Please keep this conversation tournament related.

[slim blade]

#AddCopperfieldToLineups

[modest whale]

Add mines

[pastel tartan]

copperfield atleast has supremacy

[royal locust]

That would be a disaster whatever team takes hill first wins basically, would be pretty werid to watch plus it’s a small map

[modest whale]

yes pain to watch pain to play

[noble star]

@flat goblet old school 7v7 140 temple push

[spark pumice]

time to see what the yoh does to the meta

[patent quartz]

i have a feeling the second gun'll get nerfed at some point

[spark pumice]

i know wg is trying to have unique lines in blitz but come on we didn’t really need another american auto loading line when stuff like polish heavies and the cs line exists

[grim shadow]

Well it’s too late to add a different line. I hope they do go for these other lines next, and don’t turn any of them into premiums

[minor sierra]

No season coins tournament this month?

[jolly kite]

Summer season will come on 2-july

[minor sierra]

Thanks

[spark pumice]

if you’re not boosting three tds in qts on rockfield what are u even doing

[slender harness]

doing nothing that helps the enemy win*
nice triple boost tho

[spark pumice]

who said we lost 😳😰👀

[low flame]

matching camos 😳

[pastel tartan]

its ruined by the fact that one doesnt have the 5k camo

[sinful crest]

PPS doesn’t lose 🙌🏽

[covert flax]

Nah, we just get afks.....

[crisp shore]

Afks can be a great strat tho 😛

[scenic thorn]

imagine if they were wearing green mamba 🥴

[pastel tartan]

rude

[thorn shale]

Himmel is a trash addition in current meta - 4 mauses and 3 krans per team. Mines would be nice cause high skill + you're forced to use meds. Canyon is unbalanced spawnwise, but not the only map so it'd be ok (still better than himmelsdorf) if it's not a tiebreaker and Yamato is the worst map out of Middleburg/Desert/Yamato (they're pretty much the same maps).

Obviously low skill teams would prefer Himmel over Mines hence Himmel love in the chat.

[vital obsidian]

#supMoDe4MiNes

[thorn shale]

If they make spawn positions unable to cover 90% of the map why not.

[sinful crest]

tournaments on a map that doesn’t even have supremacy 🧠🧠🧠

[royal locust]

I feel like the game on mines would be quicker ngl but I think himmels is an interesting new map cuz more variety but I feel like mines doesn’t belong there for some reason

[chilly hemlock]

Mines supremacy would be rather interesting. A cap by the left island, B cap by the middle circle entrance and c cap where encounter cap is. Not saying it would be a great map for comp but it would still be something new

[royal locust]

Yea

[winter swallow]

I agree Himmel could be a bit dull - BUT - dominating a city fight requires skill, just a different skillset to the typical medium-push-counter push-rotation we have seen a lot of lately.

[onyx merlin]

What do u think about m6yoh in tournament?

[winter swallow]

I think time will tell whether it will be useful or not. My initial impression is that it isn't going to break the meta / become overly dominant. However, I m fully aware that the pro players may yet prove that prediction horrifically wrong.

BUT.

I don't see the new Tier X Yoh as being the next T-22 / Foch 155 (post buff pre nerf) / Progetto.65 / Kranvagn

[ember marlin]

The problem is still its 183 alpha with good characteristics
That will be exploited
Plus 3 of these will clear out a tank in 1.7 seconds
Desert sands is going to be yoh country

[onyx merlin]

I think it will make tournament more funny but no change it alot like kran or e5

[winter swallow]

Perhaps - how does the DPM stack up though? Cos if that initial rush strike falls short things could get a bit sticky.

Also @harsh mist you want #tourneys-team-search

[thorn shale]

No speedboost so not good it is

[radiant kelp]

World of tanks 😁 🥺 🤩 🤛 🧠 🤰

[royal locust]

Yoh is gonna be interesting to see how teams use it

[royal locust]

But I think 2 at the most is good cuz u lose dpm cuz if u have more u get rushed on 20 sec reload(but 3 may work )

[pastel tartan]

maybe dont use the 2 shot then, so u wont have 20s reload

[thorn shale]

If u take the yoh is for that 900 alpha in 1.7secs. If u take 3 shot gun maybe 50b/t57 is better

[atomic tartan]

Kranvagn

[thorn shale]

I forgot. Yea kran also

[analog osprey]

We will see the Yo spam = )

[royal locust]

Yea like run a 2 shot and a 3 shot just to put some more shots out

[glass thunder]

leaked tactic from summer tournament xd

[patent quartz]

could actually work lmao

[royal locust]

It could, but I think sub 2 or 3 yoh for e5 is4 and a vickers for a little dpm

[supple hearth]

Who gave u access to our strat sketch?

[thorn shale]

You’d lose so hard on points. Vickers for dpm concludes NA serv logic

[royal locust]

Yea I put the vickers cuz a spotter, and like an is4 and an e5 or 2 e5 for some extra dpm if get rushed

[gleaming pollen]

just big brain and have some yoh's to take the small gun

[royal locust]

Ye

[pastel tartan]

is4 for armor concludes NA strats xD

[glass thunder]

just 3 yoh change gun then and keep 7 yoh combo , enemies will think you have bad dpm but you use 3 shots gun

[royal locust]

Yea a little more of a surprise

[winged saffron]

I am ready for the yoh/kran spam

[sonic iron]

Aha

[royal locust]

Yea lmao

[fast hare]

_Yennefer#0282 has been warned.

[sinful crest]

Yoh is garbage tank. I’d prefer seeing a spam of is4s than seeing my teammates die in 2 seconds or less

[patent quartz]

well then ur making the wrong choice, cuz it's with the IS4 that u'll get smashed, and by Yohs with 2nd gun :)))

[sly axle]

New meta explained with 2 emojis:
🗑️🔥

[royal locust]

Honestly it’s gonna be interesting but I doubt there is gonna be a big meta change unless TD get a hp buff, you will prob just see some yohs here and there but not a lot else different ngl

[lusty flint]

🤨

[narrow meteor]

🤨

[terse oriole]

Why is everybody using that emoji now 😔

[supple hearth]

🤨

[odd wolf]

I don’t want to get muted for starting chain spam again!

[spark pumice]

insert tournament related monkey eating gif

[civic glacier]

Yes

[sweet kestrel]

Helo guys someone doing tournaments in Asia?

[winter swallow]

I think re: Yohs we will just have to wait and see how much success they truly have when implemented.

Like people above have made good points for and against. Even the fact the tank has two viable guns with different strengths and weaknesses is pretty cool.

IMO 7x spam of anything has never worked between serious teams. It makes a team's ability far too linear and predictable. Hell - it's easy to counter more homogenous team tank compositions exactly because of this.

Still i hope the yoh gets some love. It's a fun tank in terms of play style and aesthetics.

[sinful crest]

105 won’t get used unless you’re grinding for the 120mm, using the 105 is like tickling the enemy with your tier 8 alpha gun. The tank is fun no doubt but seeing people die in 1.7 seconds of time is not so much fun. It’s a broken tank, the fact so many players are able to do 4K avg dmg in it speaks for itself, now imagine when the professional players make strats with it LOL.

[winter swallow]

The two shot gun is worse on paper in every respect except alpha / speed of damage application. I haven't played it enough yet to comment on which is better in reality.

[thorn shale]

The two shot is better in every way

There’s no point to running the 3 shot because T57/50B/Kran are all better 3 shot clips

The two shot while having bad DPM has the gimmick of super quick damage output. No other tank in the game outside 183/Jag does this kind of output that quickly (and of course both 183 and JG are super inflexible and die very quickly). The Yoh is both flexible and can survive a lot longer, which coupled with its super high and quick damage output is why the Yoh will be meta defining. The bad reload doesn’t matter if you can play behind other tanks while reloading

And that super quick damage output time makes the time to kill super low if you have multiple Yohs blasting a target

[upper oar]

3 shot=irrelevant ^^

900 dmg in 1.7=everything

[vital obsidian]

The BPC Season 2 EU community tournament which start on Monday will for sure show a lot of what YOHs are capable of. Welcome to watch comprehensive coverage on YT streams with most of EU top clans playing

[sinful crest]

Exactly what TJ said lol

[thorn shale]

☺️

[sinful crest]

Not only that but in the amount of time the yoh with 120mm loads it’s clip it’s 19.9 seconds, that’s still faster than a kran loading it’s first two shots AND the yoh has 450 alpha compared to the krans 400.

[grim shadow]

It’s closer to a 128mm than a 120mm with that alpha. The only part that feels 120mm is the HE

[winter swallow]

Yes I see two shot better for comp. But 500 dpm less a factor in pubs or does the same logic hold true?

[sinful crest]

Same factor for pubs as well, clipping ppl with 1.7 intre clip reload is just insane you poke and hide over and over again

[winter swallow]

Aye yes getting off 900 dmg for 1 shot back is good trading 👍- colour me convinced. So two shot yohs in comps and pubs it is

[upper oar]

i just call them 183 heavies at this point. and yeah, considering how the T57 and 50B have virtually the same DPM as the Yoh with its 3 shell clip (but with a 400x3 clip instead), there isn't much reason to run the Yoh with the 3 shell clip

[winter swallow]

Not quite 183 heavies. No HESH equivalent.

Yes after discussing it's pretty clear the 2 shot is better than 3 shot.

So in theory, 3 Yohs could clear anything but a super heavy in one volley - assuming all hits and pens - in sub 2s.

Crossing in the open just became an even worse idea.

[upper oar]

i think someone posted a video of a Kranvagn being deleted in under 2 seconds

from 2800 to 0

[calm atlas]

@upper oar 🍴

[forest matrix]

Yeah but in pubs it would result the same as TD. Extremely team dependent.

[upper oar]

this may be a discussion for another channel at this point, but the Yoh is not that team reliant as a TD is, even in pubs. for one, it can get its own spots. you can afford to be aggressive on a ridge or in a heavy line. you don’t have to wait for some tank to make a poor poke, you can just take your own shots. sure, you’re out of the fight for 20 seconds when reloading. having a platoonmate can generally eliminate that, but all you need is any teammates around to prevent being pushed on while reloading

[limber lintel]

This burns my eyes, this meta will be so trash to play imo, 😕

[viscid python]

I dont see many reasons, if any. Why yoh would be better than T57 in comp. IMO It's better only if some enemy is crossing stupidly. Otherwise T57 beats it in most of the cases

[wet tide]

Nah, the t57 has the weaker modules/less hp/worse armour. Yoh on the other hand can consume enemies real fast whilst with the t57 you still need to wait 5 sec

[winter swallow]

We're discussing the utility of a vehicle in tournaments. Sorry - but is this or is this not the general tournament discussion channel?

New tanks and new metas are a core principle of tournament game play and progression.

Comparing tank strengths and weaknesses between game modes and scenarios is part of the process of exploring the conceptual spaces new vehicles provide.

New vehicle arrives -> is discussed -> tested in scrimmage s -> trialed in actual comp match vs decent opponents -> usage frequency/context revised -> repeat previous two steps until meta stabilises.

Currently - tournament players are discussing a new vehicle from the perspective of its utility in tournament settings... why do mods hate tournament players and the tournament channel so much?

[limber lintel]

Honestly do we need chats like #834053765220139048 , just make this the tournament discussion and turn that channel into a channel aimed at communication between WG and the players

[covert flax]

The one take away I see with the yoh vs the kran in a tournament environment is that clip reload. The kran is nice in the fact if a brawl ensues (which more then likely will) it can dump its 3 shells then fire one shell at a time. The yoh on the other hand can’t do that, it can only dump, then be just HP in a brawl. I’m not sure how tournament viable it will be, but I think it would be good for crossing nukes and things like that, brawls I think the yoh would fall short compared to the kran

[royal locust]

Yea I feel like the most u need would be 2 cuz if both get rushed and on a reload they will be taken out most Likely

[winter swallow]

Low DPM (2500 with 2 shot gun) is a real liability actually. Overuse of the Yoh will make a team vulnerable to zerg rush strats. Yes they might lose a tank or two initially... at worst... but it'll level out alarmingly quickly.

On a separate note. Is dynamic track good for toureys or nah?

I think it's fun in pubs but not exactly groundbreaking meta wise.

Actually scrap DPM point. It's only just below an is4 and much better than the Kran.

So actually it is in reality not significantly worse than other heavies/clippers.

Lack of a speed boost might be important.

[sinful crest]

The tracking mechanic is nice tbh, but In some situations you’ll still need a repair kit because you can only back up at around 1-4 km/h I think and it takes awhile to get speed. Mobility wise I think the yoh is great for tournaments, it doesn’t have a nice top speed like an e5 with speed boost, but the acceleration is really fast on its own which is all that matters.

[grim shadow]

the track mechanic has no drawbacks, only advantages

[royal locust]

Yea it can be clutch in some scenarios

[ember marlin]

I love the comparison with the 183 especially bc before the nerf it was meta defining with it's only asset as its alpha and not having garbage accuracy and camo
Yoh has that and heavy tank survival, pen, and flexibility
I think the tvp getting some use recently showed that lots of alpha up front can be used viably, and the tvp couldn't get out its dmg as fast as the yoh

[thorn shale]

Hi

[wet tide]

Either that or the lack of armour to hulldown vs other heavies like the e5/kran (but I don’t think it should be used like that anyways)

[sly axle]

This meta is gonna be ridiculous… WG couldn’t’ve made a more perfect tank for running 3-5 in tourneys just to pop over any hill, nuke a tank in 2 seconds, and back down with the 7v6 advantage

Sure you could track the yohs when they peek the top of the hill but OH WAIT they have this special mechanic that NO other tank has that allows them to back down regardless, and depending on how steep the hill is, they might be out of your LOS within 3-5 seconds…

To add the cherry on top the yoh has 10 degrees of gun depression, which means they can work many hills that most heavies cannot. Only other hulldown heavies that have 10 degrees of gun depression are the e6, mk6, and super conq, and all 3 of them are seldom seen in comp, don’t have autoloaders, and don’t have the special track mechanic or nuking capabilities of the yoh.

From first glance, it doesn’t seem like there can be a counter, but then again, surely someone will come up with something that works, right? I guess we can hope…

[modest whale]

Buff tvp intraclip to .2s boom yoh powercreeped 😎

[ember marlin]

#tourneys-team-search @harsh mist

[harsh mist]

Thank you@ember marlin

[patent quartz]

something's gonna change in 8.1, has to

[royal locust]

Yea

[buoyant terrace]

Tournament invite function busted. Anyone else having this problem?

[wet tide]

@frosty nexus Hello, I have a question. A lot of my players are planning their holidays and I think a lot of others are too, we already know that the summer season will last from the 2nd of July till the 31st, thanks for telling that early. Now we are wondering, are you able to tell us already, what scheme of the season will be (like monday/tuesday and friday/saturday) or is it not possible to tell us that yet? Thanks for the effort.

[sinful crest]

^^^^^^^

[analog osprey]

This buff HP on heavies mehhhh

[royal locust]

The Meta would hella change if TD gets more hp, you would be seeing ho ri and stuff like that in comp more would be fun to watch ngl

[analog osprey]

No tds I prefer dynamic gameplay so more meds.

[narrow meteor]

Pattons 😏

[winged saffron]

Make the patton great again

[spark pumice]

make the yoh nonexistent again

[mild mortar]

Give TDs 750 alpha like on PC so heavies are actually scared of taking their hits and give meds 10-20% dpm buff so they can outrage heavies again

[royal locust]

Basically make heavy irrelevant

[buoyant terrace]

Eh wg the invite function for tourneys is busted. Invitees don’t have the opportunity to join after they miss initial invite. Acknowledge this problem, but better yet fix it, especially before Sunday

[limber lintel]

or just nerf heavy HP, instead of changing the game by constant buffing, like imo, Yoh and Kran HP defo should be lower, Kran HP should be a 2650 with sandbags and extra HP equipment, and Yoh should be like 2470ish with HP equipment

everyone probably realizes heavy HP buff was cus of missiles completely recking heavies, now that missiles are gone they should revert back partially, not fully tho

[forest matrix]

Would be fine for having td in comp but what a disaster it would be for random games. Games are already stuffed with 3 td per team where as they have the worst wr. Imagine buffing them - that would make the game a world of camping

[green plover]

This exactly, missiles were a big problem for heavies so now that it’s been removed just revert to how it was previously and remove the excess hp on heavy tanks instead of adding more things to potentially ruin comp.

[limber lintel]

Idk why, but in the last few months we havent seen a lot of nerfs, its usually buffs to powercrept tanks, nerfs are usually only to new tanks that prove to be too strong, there is very few tanks that receive nerfs other than that, usually solved with buffing the underperformers

[patent quartz]

imagine willing to buff that trash class, encouraging redline gameplay even more than it currently is, TDs already have pen, camo and alpha advantage.

[chilly hemlock]

The hp buff heavies got was huge. You play a 140 and lose 700-900 hp compared to a heavy and that’s a lot to make up for even though you have mobility and dpm but less pen shooting thicker targets

[chilly hemlock]

You may think this solves things against heavies but a high roll will half health a light tank which is an issue. The heavy hp needs to be 2200-2700 again

Is4 and kran spam is so easy because they have 2800 hp and are tough to do any real damage to if positioned well

[limber lintel]

Yes, the fact that 7 heavies on a huge map like Faust is working, just means something is terribly wrong, to then introduce an autoloader that can half HP a med/light is just a wonky decision imo

[chilly hemlock]

Is4s/e5s/krans are fast enough to rotate and oppose mediums/lights that flank and stop them from advancing. Even if they have an over match on heavies in terms of numbers, the heavies are still harder to pen and have way more hp

[atomic tartan]

The meta is working as intended, it just needs minor touchups. Theres no reason why a light or med should ever be able to take on a heavy head on and win in a brawl, as was the case with the old 140. The hp buffs solved that, not even a T-22 stands much chance. Theres also no reason why a heavy can yolo a TD (dedicated anti-tank gun) head on and win just by having more hp than they do in dpm. What the meta really needs is a major dpm buff to mediums (about 20%, to around 3.6k with rammer for a 105 but keeping pen the same), and a minor dpm buff to TDs (about 10-15% should be good) then keep hps the same. These changes would also keep stuff like Krans and Yohs limited, because their lack of dpm, mobility, and on flat-ground weaknesses would be exaggerated.

Alpha buffs to TDs like 750 hp for a 150 are extremely short sighted, first it negates the heavy hp buff and shots-to-kill is back to where it was before and second, mediums are going to die even harder

[daring swan]

I agree. More mediums would be viable with increased dpm.

[hollow bolt]

The game isn't balanced around tournaments, and rn a 20% dpm buff would make any superuni in a med on a random game almost unstoppable. Buffing the dpm of all other classes is similar to just nerfing the hp of heavies and from what I saw the meta before the hp buffs was a lot more varied and interesting, as well as being more balanced for randoms. It's never going to be ideal because tourneys will always use tanks in different ways to randoms.

Maybe even some tourney specific equipment could be useful to give some more variety and action?

[limber lintel]

I mean, nerf heavy HP, and buff TD dpm slightly and it will have the same effect basically, I wouldn't say bring heavy HP back to the original, but maybe around the average of the original and the new HP, so like maus with 2750HP etc.,

that would make it so the heavies like maus can still be used very agressively almost yolo pushing to absorb for the team, while still making meds a more viable option and it would add variety to the tournament scene,

cus now it seems like Yoh/Kran is just gonna be 2019 yolo meta but with heavies and even faster deletion of tanks, ironically it's very similar in tanks tbh, you have the 2 shot high burst tank Foch = Yoh, the autoreloaders and standard use heavy Progetto/215b = Kran and the bit higher DPM tanks than the other that have quite a decent mobility for their meta T-22 = E5

that meta was basically, yolo one side with the burst and best initial positions and best focus fire wins, just a slower line-up

[atomic tartan]

a super uni in a heavy is already totally unstoppable

[limber lintel]

meds are better in randoms, if it would get a 20% dpm buff, getting an extra 400 avg would be no problem

[atomic tartan]

meds? no way. they were balanced against heavies with 2200 hp and now those same heavies have about 2600, and some even have fancy consumables to make their hp even higher, negate med dpm and go even faster. not to mention better armor and pen

the food chain between classes has always been like Ho-Ri > E5 > T-22 > Vickers > Ho-Ri again but with a bunch of other tanks (or pick your preference and swap with 268, IS-4, STB, etc) in between. right now everything works besides the Ho-Ri being able to kill the E5 (and also TDs being a bit too quick to turn for existing mediums and lights). that means what the game needs is a way for TDs to be able to kill heavies head on, but also not completely obliterate everything the heavy is supposed to take care of. the only heavy tank that should be able to take a TD head on by driving forward is the Maus and that's because it's too slow and the gun too weak to be given other options.

[untold tinsel]

just make 183 have the accuracy of a 62a, 18 second reload with cali, and 240mm of turret and hull armor, and 2600hp. heavy problem solved

[modest whale]

also give it a fully traversable turret

[limber lintel]

in randoms? they are superiour, but this chat is about cw, let's not go there too much

[atomic tartan]

um, no.

[hollow bolt]

Eh not really, meds will have higher skill ceilings because they are much more adaptable and so even though heavies are by far the dominant class overall superunis tend to do about the same in meds and heavies. If heavies as a class were actually balanced then meds would have a much higher ceiling.

But yeah as said #balance-discussion is more suitable

Can't even ping a channel nice :')

[spark pumice]

I wish the yoh was balanced similarly to the foch where it has something more like a 4-5 second interclip and then around a 14-15 second reload. now of course there’s more issues with the tank like it’s acceleration and armored drive wheel but taking away the near instant 900 burst would hopefully mean we see less of them and avoid the 3-4 yohs per game that’s going to happen if this update holds

[fallow turret]

3-4 yohs is easy to counter....with 5-6 yohs

[spark pumice]

no better way to advertise a new line than having comp teams play 5+ of them on stream

[atomic tartan]

well if a by far dominant class exists, yet at the same time is still being caught up by doing about the same in meds, then it sounds like massive underperformance by said super unis

like if you do 3.5k in a medium and then get handed a better tank from a by far dominant class, and still only do 3.5k, then you'd be underperforming. unless your winrate is 15% higher for the same damage, then it makes sense

but that's not quite doing the same

[hollow bolt]

The issue is that mediums are better for good players. For instance a lot of superunis prefer and do better in the 140 to the T62 although you'd always say the T62 is a better tank. Mediums have a higher skill ceiling so you can do better if you have the skills. Heavies tend to have a very low skill ceiling so you cannot perform as well even if you do have the skills. It's not an issue with any player it's down to what makes the tank good and what is useable for different skillets.

[civic glacier]

The only issue is that heavies are too strong. Instead of nerfing the heavy tanks wg are gonna buff other things

[daring swan]

Yeah I wish tds and mediums could be more of the meta instead of 6-7 heavies

[thorn shale]

😂

[patent quartz]

meds yes, TDs no, redline meta is probably the worst thing that could happen

[atomic tartan]

buffing TDs will always be a sketchy thanks to the pub playerbase's propensity for big gun click and go boom from spawn. 4 TDs per team is literally worse than the existing heavy meta, 2017 is all the proof you need. at least today tanks need to actually drive up and fight each other

pubs are always relevant when you're talking about meta-defining tanks in comp for as long as stats carry over

[modest whale]

There's a 3 td cap in pubs

[supple hearth]

Do not buff TDs

[sinful crest]

This meta is disgusting with the yoh, literally u just spam yoh/krans and win

[spark pumice]

this meta... nuke a tank, get cap lead, win

[sinful crest]

In a nutshell ye

[spark pumice]

just throw out everything u know about playing the game and say yoh😎

[sinful crest]

Affirm

[thorn shale]

Dont buff tds pls

[crisp shore]

4 TDs per team
I feel called out for my south side Normandy strat 😂

[glass thunder]

just buff 183 pls

[limber lintel]

give 183 better camo, reticle calibration and 10% dpm increase

[glass thunder]

you can leave there is a button for that in players list of team but you must do it before tournament start

[atomic tartan]

That sounds more like underperformance in a better tank

[hollow bolt]

Your problem is how you define a better tank. Heavies are better for average players, but meds are better for good players. Heavies are much more limiting in how superunis can abuse them and so it's easier for superunis to perform better in meds.

It's not underperforming, it's an inability for the tank to meet the needs of the player. For example, the T95 is totally incapable of rotations and is often left behind in pushes. The PT A on the other hand, despite being regarded as a much worse tank, is able to keep up with rotations and pushes and so can cater to the needs of a better player who uses those.
It's not that the PT A is overall better than the T95, it's just better for good players like meds are in general.

[atomic tartan]

what i'm getting is that the PTA is a better tank overall than the T95. like you said it yourself, the T95 is incapable of rotations, it's left behind in pushes so its extremely team dependent. how is the PTA regarded as a much worse tank than that?

[atomic tartan]

that may be better than 4 TDs, but double 183 and a jagd or grille every game is still nowhere near the realm of good

[modest whale]

True tds make the game way too campy

[hollow bolt]

PT A has the worst tier 9 WR in its career and the T95 is second tech tree, fourth overall. The T95 has also received the speed boosts recently so that would not have been shown over all the stats. T95 has a better 90 day relative WR from blitzstars by almost 4.5%. T95 also has the fourth best relative WR while the PT A isn't in the top 20 from blitzanalysiz.com for update 7.8.

There's literally no stats at all that show the T95 is better than the PT A (in fact most show the opposite very clearly), and the only argument for the PT A is that it's more abusable for good players. This is literally what I'm saying.

The PT A isn't a better tank, until you only look at it in terms of superunis. Heavies are the better class overall, but mediums perform equally or better in the hands of good players.

[atomic tartan]

i thought we're talking about tanks. why are you bringing up blitzstars of players? this is still a rather extreme case, and it doesn't reflect on medium vs heavy overall in a time when heavy tanks could literally serve the role of mediums

[hollow bolt]

Because that is the exact performance of the tanks. It shows which is a good tank and which isn't. It shows that a good tank overall may not be a good tank for superunis. And from that it follows that meds, despite being a worse class overall, are better for superunis. Buffing their dpm by 10% let alone 20% is going to make them insanely broken, much worse than heavies are at the moment. Heavies cannot do what mediums can do in random battles.

[atomic tartan]

um, no. you're seeing higher stats in the T95 than the PTA simply because on average tanks with more hp get better numbers with average players. that's why on paper the Mauschen outperformed all the german heavies for several updates and got nerfed, but you'd be hard pressed to argue it was ever a better tank than the E 75.

but the average does not reflect the ceiling whatsoever. meds are a worse class overall because they are simply worse tanks overall in this current meta. the reason why you're seeing E5 domination in comp is because existing mediums literally cannot stand up to an E5, and that fact is still true in random battles. you find a super uni in a medium, rush them with an E5. there's nothing they can do

mediums are forced to play around heavies right now while the reverse is not true, so its more like mediums cannot do what heavies can.

[hollow bolt]

The average does not reflect the ceiling whatsoever

This is exactly what I've been trying to say. A meds skill ceiling is a lot lot higher than a heavies, and so even though heavies as a class are better, meds still have a better performance at the top end.

[upper oar]

i definitely agree with Dragon in this case. you see a lot of heavies being portrayed as "med killers", but you can never find mediums that would be classified as "heavy killers" in this meta at all

the HP difference is just too great for a medium to feasibly 1v1 a rushing heavy. there's always a brainless counter against mediums if you're playing those types of heavies like an E5

mediums don't even really get a sizable view range benefit, and on the smaller maps of Blitz, that's not really a concern. on average, its far better to take some fast type of heavy with an additional 30-40% HP than to use a medium in a comp lineup

medium skill ceilings have never been this low

[atomic tartan]

that's false.

a medium's job these days is basically fighting other mediums. a heavy tank can do that, as well as fight other heavies, and out hp TDs. but you'd be hard pressed to fight a heavy with a medium. how can you have a higher top end when there are literally less opportunities to even perform?

[hollow bolt]

You don't have to rush a 1v1 to perform well in a game, meds get to dance around the teams and allow a much better platform for better skills to be used. You don't have to fight heavies frontally to do well. You have many more opportunities to perform because you can use your mobility to dictate a battle instead of having to run with a team to ensure you don't get singled out.

[upper oar]

like sure, a skill ceiling definitely depends on raw DPM and mobility. and mediums generally have better DPM and mobility. but in practice, heavies have a better chance to do more in a match due to the armor and HP they have

[atomic tartan]

the heavy tank can also do that since now heavies that are as fast as mediums are getting commonplace. but the heavy also retains the option of a frontal fight which the medium cannot take. you have more options as a heavy, and arguably a higher skill ceiling deciding which one to take and executing it properly

[upper oar]

its so 2015 to say that mediums should just be attacking heavies constantly at the sides and rear. we have so many competitive heavies that are able to go 50 kph and turn on a dime, or even reverse backwards as fast as meds to get out of bad positions

pubs can be a different story due to uncoordinated teams

but on a comp lineup, seeing 6 heavies is the norm for a reason

[hollow bolt]

Heavies are not as fast as mediums except for around 20 seconds for the few that have speed boosters. For comp this is alright because pushes and rotations are a lot more thought through and prepared but this is just not the case in randoms. Heavies cannot flank and rotate and adapt as well as mediums. You have much fewer options, you just perform better in those individual options. For an average player heavies are fine because they cannot rotate and spot openings like a superuni, but when you do have the skills to recognise openings and easy farming opportunities mediums open up such a larger way of playing the skill ceiling raises hugely

[daring swan]

I feel all the heavy tanks spotting range is too big. You can spot tanks fo far away

[modest whale]

yes just nerf heavy view range by 100 meters and make meds relevant

[flat goblet]

Heavy tanks are simply more flexible than mediums now. To say the skill ceiling is higher on med simply due to mobility and some dpm is not true. They are definitely harder to play, but ceiling for meds and HTs are about the same simply because HTs are too strong.

[atomic tartan]

i wouldn't say much fewer opportunities when heavies can do 80% of what mediums are doing in addition to heavy-only plays. you might be able to extend further and farm faster due to speed and dpm but you spend so much time having to avoid heavy-populated zones which in itself, is a limit on what you actually can do. it makes those easy farming opportunities fewer and further between, that you can practically write them off as exceptions

so maybe in theory more opportunities exist but that is far from reality in today's meta. that's why a medium dpm buff will be totally fine, because when those opportunities to farm do arise they can actually be capitalized on in a significant way

[limber lintel]

yes, but that would break randoms meta tho, for the super unis, like no joke, 4k would be quite managable

[atomic tartan]

we're literally talking about randoms. and 4k already is managable.

[hollow bolt]

Heavies really cannot do 80% of what mediums can do. While you may have to steer around the front of heavies, with heavies you have to steer directly at the heavies and spend time making sure you are looking straight at them. Those farming opportunities are sure as hell not exceptions. Idk what sort of meta you see but at the moment it's generally 3 TDs 3 heavies which is nice and easy farming territory. Heavies can't push against TDs without bleeding and meds have the best chance to do useful things when you know how to use them right. A dpm buff of even 10% would be stupid. 4k would become manageable for a lot lot lot more people. It's a perfect way to make superunis unstoppable in a way that heavies rn are nowhere near.

[atomic tartan]

???? heavies right now can literally out hp an existing TD's dpm. that simple fact breaks the TD>heavy>medium>light>TD chain. it is all the proof you need of armor dominance. heavies are quite unstoppable already.

if your supposed super unis cannot abuse this imbalance, perhaps they're underperforming and likely overrated.

[ember marlin]

Once again I'm more in favor of killing heavies viewrange
It's a lesser buff to meds but it gives them a role every game and a reason to run more of them to spot up different areas

[daring swan]

Right now, I don’t mind having to trade with tds in heaviums sometimes because of the crazy amount of hp I have. I shouldn’t be able to do that

[modest whale]

By kill I hope you mean absolutely ruin the heavy view range, imo it should be bad enough that you need to have mediums and lights to spot rn there's like what a 30m view range difference between heavies and meds on a 500x500 map

[ember marlin]

Heavies should have under 200 m viewrange
With optics

[meager perch]

Or nerf accuracy of heavies to make meds be able to play at a distance without getting nuked as easily

[hollow bolt]

There is no guaranteed, strict chain like that. It's a rough guide and it's most useful for good players. No superuni player is going to push into a TD and bleed unnecessary which is what TDs rely on. The extra hp is there to forgive mistakes, and superunis by definition make many less mistakes. The hp buff just means you can meme about with yolorushes in a maus (for superunis), a 10% dpm buff means a huge advantage and increase in performance. It's an imbalance that caters to average players not to superunis, and a 10% dpm buff sure as hell caters to superunis and not average players making them extremely abusable

[sly axle]

Honestly there is a reason people use e100s as “tds” for their strats now (2915 hp). Heavies dominate any other class and the only reason youll ever see a vickers used is bc it has 20m more view range than any other tank in the game

[ember marlin]

The game as a whole should punish mistakes and reward good play
And it's too easy for a bad player
to make a mistake in an is4 and lose half their hitpoints and still have 1400
Or 70 percent of a meds hitpoints
If heavies are relatively blind and meds have a large viewrange advantage a med can go to a position and farm vs getting spotted and having to reposition

[atomic tartan]

your idea of superuni maus play is a meme yolo rush? cuz then it'll make sense why you don't seem to understand what heavy tank dominance looks like, because you have no idea what it is.

and no, hp is not just to forgive mistakes, you would not play the same tank with 2k hp the same way you would play the same tank on 2.8k. more hp at the beginning allows you to be much more aggressive, and take map control and keep it much more securely. it also makes you much harder to dig out. an actual super uni will completely abuse this to dominate the game from the first minute, and no medium comes close to bein able to do the same

[hollow bolt]

Hp is mainly there to forgive mistakes. If you are confident in your play then you can definitely play the same way on 2k/2.8k hp. If you take map control by bleeding then that is a very very inefficient way to do it. You clearly play mug much more passively and defensively because you don't even consider that maybe mediums taking aggressive positions and surprising the enemy and putting the battle entirely in your control is better than taking one positing and relying on the reds to expose and keep in bad positions rather than letting you control the battle. You cannot play defensively as well with a medium, but you cannot play aggressively as well with a heavy. It's different playstyles and superunis generally tend towards aggression rather than being super passive. Maybe it's different on NA idk but it sounds like your idea of a superuni relies heavily on the reds letting you farm them instead of forcing the reds into being farmed

[daring swan]

I honestly think hp on heavies should be reduced or their spotting range needs to be reduced. It will change up the meta then

[atomic tartan]

i don't see how abusing hp advantage into a good position is relying heavily on reds letting you farm instead of forcing the reds into being farmed. taking positional advantage is everything on NA, its not EU where the norm is reds just drive up and give you free tanks so obviously positioning is excessive and rammer dpm is everything

[hollow bolt]

What advantage does the hp give you though? How does it let you get into a good position better than mobility? How is it better to take one position and hope it's useful all game instead of being able to rotate around multiple positions easily and guarantee you are useful? You force the reds into giving you free tanks by taking aggressive positions that heavies just don't have the mobility to take. You do your job there and then rotate round as necessary instead of taking a position and hoping it remains useful all game until you win or lose.

Unless you are trying to say "yeah I can bleed 2.5k hp to get to a position and still survive while you'd be dead" which means you have screwed up bigggg time

[supple hearth]

You need HP for trades, thats why tanks like e100 are soo good in pubs rn, meanwhile medium can get fked in like a couple seconds

[atomic tartan]

more hp makes it much harder for an opposition to rush and kill you. there are also positions where heavies can take and have the armor and hp to hold it, and a medium will melt if it tries the same thing (or if it runs into a speed boosted heavy actually). the only position in the game that a heavy cannot take is the hill on Mines in 30 seconds, and that's mostly due to spawn location over anything else.

hope it remains useful? hardly. if the position is any good or worth taking you will devastate the other team and pretty much win the game from right where you are. why would you need to rotate anywhere else?

[hollow bolt]

@supple hearth Trading isnt an ideal situation to be in to start with... And yes if you play awfully you can get nuked in a med but we are talking about superunis who tend to not play awfully

@atomic tartan And if you get rushed in a med you can fall back while the rest if your team farm them instead of bleeding unnecessarily. There are loads and loads of positions heavies cannot take because they will be farmed before they get anywhere useful and if you don't know those then wow. If the position is worth taking you will devastate the reds until... Until they stop exposing to you? Then you are... Stuck? You seem to rely on one position that lets you do everything which we both know isn't how games work, whereas mediums that let you adapt to how the battle unfolds are actually useful if you can read the battle.

[atomic tartan]

you're making a lot of simplistic assumptions for a chain of events that literally do not go as you described. like maybe your version of events would work out if you just imagine heavies as slow mediums with more hp but that's not the case, you're forgetting armor and firepower

[daring swan]

But you also aren’t taking into account how heavies can spot so much of the map you are so limited to your rotations. If you don’t have a farming area to deal damage, you simply cannot do anything in the match since heavies will just trade with you and you will get spotted wherever you rotate. Furthermore, even if a single heavy comes after you, you have to rotate again limiting the amount of shots you can put in

[hollow bolt]

Like the chain of TD>heavy etc? 😂
Or that you can win a game from one position? 😂

There's always a farming area you can find, and if a long heavy comes after you then that's easy pickings. You can rotate without getting spotted pretty much everywhere unless the reds are so totally spread out across the map you can put pressure on one section and get an easy win.

[atomic tartan]

that's not a chain of events. 😹
your so called super unis cant? 😹 😹

yes theres a farming area you can find, you take it in a heavy and if another comes after you then you add to your damage. also wdym easy pickings? if the guy was any good you're dead in a medium just by hp. you don't need to rotate without getting spotted because you can just win from where you are if your existing position was good

[unique shoal]

Why play a med and play smart and avg 3.5k when u can play a heavy carelessly and do the same thing

The only + to meds is it’s more “fun”

[daring swan]

Yeah mediums should be the damage dealers, but the average damage for heavies is higher rn for super unis

[hollow bolt]

The event of a TD beating a heavy? 😂
And it's significantly harder to restrict yourself like that unnecessarily when you can just play a med and be useful the whole game not just when the reds sit in front of you lol
Idk about you but if you are losing a 1v1 to a heavy that's just "good" then ouch...
You take the farming area in your heavy you are a good 2-3 shots down by the time you get there, then totally at the mercy of your team if you get pushed with a disadvantage in tanks.

[atomic tartan]

here we ago assuming i would be a good 2-3 shots down by taking a good position. if that's the case for you then i don't know what to tell you 😹

TDs are supposed to defeat heavies because the whole point of a TD is to sacrifice other areas for more firepower. idk what you took out of that but the point is, a lesser skilled heavy can take on a higher skilled med due to hp.

you know, i would think that the fact you have not had a single person in this channel agree with any of your points should tell you whats up but we'll see how long this take 😹 😹

[slim blade]

TDs are not intended to be a hardcounter for heavies …

[shrewd summit]

They are supposed to be a roadblock for heavies mind you, but with the amount of View range most heavies have and the sheer HP, TDs stand no chance against most heavies nowadays unless a very very dumb player is driving the heavy

[hollow bolt]

You simply cannot get to a position as fast as a med so you are always going to have missed out on some shots, and 2-3 is about how far away positions tend to be. Idk what sort of people you are taking on in heavies but yeaaahhhh that really doesn't happen.

TDs are supposed to hold back pushes, not just from heavies.

And back to the age old "proof by authority" that never works and is meaningless nice one 😂

[gleaming pollen]

Why are we arguing about heavies and meds here in tournament channel?

[shrewd summit]

Long story short, tournament meta, evolved into balance discussion.

But Kuma is right, if we could get back on the topic closer to tournaments that would be appreciated

[atomic tartan]

most positions are within 20-30 seconds of driving from spawn, a speed boost will easily make an E5 for example as fast as a med. unless you're driving off to some obscure nowhere, in which case you risk being out of the game when it matters

well, if everyone else is agreeing with something and you're not, and you don't have the results of anyone else either, then just maybe you're the odd man out arguing a flawed point 😹 😹

[supple hearth]

Who’s idea was to add canyon as a comp map? Is this a freaking joke? This map is unplayable.

[drifting jetty]

Well, Cooperfield is always a good option.
Or middleburg.
:joy:

[untold tinsel]

@supple hearth is it actually coming back?

[proud holly]

I agree with DragonKrieg and Yaro

[sly axle]

@untold tinsel Yes, canyon, yamato harbor, and himmelsdorf are all coming back as comp maps…

[glass thunder]

where u did get this info? i tough only for quick tournament and the bronze / silver /gold series as test

[winter swallow]

Making view more range different between classes might be nice but I bet it would unbalance the meds and lights in a big way.

[graceful jetty]

Please keep this chat tournament related @thorn shale

[crisp shore]

They haven't announced including new maps to the bronze/silver/gold series though

[royal locust]

Canyon as a comp map? Interesting to see how it’s played

[civic glacier]

@atomic tartan what r u doing donkey

[atomic tartan]

Huh

[winter swallow]

Canyon was a great comp map when it was back in rotation.

[royal locust]

Ah ic

[graceful jetty]

Everyone made a big fuss when Middleburg/Rockfield(?)/Black Goldville(?) got added to the rotation and Canyon/Yamato/Himmel got removed

[silver vapor]

I hated it when it was in rotation back then, was disgusted by the fact you can get locked out of rotations

[supple hearth]

Ye, but not when there are krans and yohs now, u just go to middle and stay there till the end of the game

[winter swallow]

I would be interested to see how it plays out though.

[azure pecan]

main problem of canyon is the spawns balance, there is basically no way for you to play A on the north spawn (where you have to cross the rails in the open)

[supple hearth]

^

[limber lintel]

And Vickers on mid would just spot anything really, just campstilla 2.0

[grave willow]

Yamato should not be a comp map, himmels is fine

[green plover]

Both spawns are equally as bad as the other whether you’re crossing the rails or the town side. The map itself isn’t fit for comp anymore and being brought back in this meta is even dumber.

[atomic tartan]

Himmels could be interesting, can’t say im excited about Yamato or Canyon. Enjoy capping against Kran and Yoh meta

[green plover]

himmels has always been fine just as long as it doesn't get spammed like yukon did

[supple hearth]

U don’t even need vickers when you can just go middle with kranvagn and spot the entire map. There’s no way enemies can push sides

Why not just add mines, because it’s literally the same play style as canyon

[narrow meteor]

Pls no canyon

[spark pumice]

mines over canyon all day

Himmels is the only map that could maybe be interesting for comp if u can get past the facts it’s going to encourage more heavy spam than what already exists

[grave willow]

Make mines bigger, add supremacy and it would be decent

[sinful crest]

himmels seems cool the rest seem scary

[odd wolf]

bring back old mines please

[patent quartz]

no, just get mines out of here

[winged saffron]

I would like to request copperfield for tier 10 tournaments

[untold tinsel]

i request mines

[ancient shard]

everyone forgetting about mirage 😔

[winged saffron]

True

[gilded sentinel]

Canyon is unbalanced map for spawns and I’m hoping the Mines thing is a joke lol

[winter swallow]

Ah yeh- that does indeed suck cahones.

@green plover I know canyon is a tough map for teams to play but it is interesting to watch 👌

[slim blade]

I would like to request the training map for tournaments

[thorn shale]

Ok

[upper oar]

i would have totally left that if he hadn't sworn in the image lol

[flat goblet]

Canyon sucks. It’s interesting to watch only because of teams fumbling around trying to come up with some one off strat to make the games on canyon end quicker.

[crisp shore]

I thought Black Goldville was never rotated out of map pool?

[gleaming pollen]

trial by fire

[graceful jetty]

I know for sure that they added middleburg in return for taking canyon, yamato, and himmels out of the rotation. Im pretty sure they also added a few other maps, i just dont remember which ones. Guessing BGV simply because i dont remember watching any teams play on it before 2019

[royal locust]

Canyon is just gonna be krans and yohs I don’t rlly think it’s entertaining or easy to play

[sharp crane]

What happend to lost temple?

[upper oar]

it was removed from the map pool (along with Mirage) indefinitely for reworks

[atomic tartan]

i liked lost temple and mirage. always been fine maps

[sharp crane]

I like old lost temple

[green plover]

I think canyon had its climax already back when it was a regular map but now it’s just going to be stale boring gameplay until the last min of the game

[royal locust]

Yea

[narrow meteor]

Campyon

[upper oar]

i liked lost temple and mirage. always been fine maps

for pubs at least, mirage has actually always been a favorite of mine. lost temple has been pretty good as well. overall, i never really understood why they didn’t see Tier 10 when you have maps like Fort Despair in the map pool

[pastel tartan]

they are being reworked to be playable in t10 from my understanding

[flat goblet]

How many maps have been released since they have been downtiered lol

[crisp shore]

mirage is quite a weird map not to be included in high tiers because it feels big enough

[green plover]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-westbrook-nba-okc-thunder-what-huh-gif-5070054

[supple hearth]

…

[sinful crest]

All we need is himmelsdorf the rest of the maps are dog water

[proud holly]

Speaking of which, did they ever say when they were gonna release additional tourny information or nah

[slender harness]

wargaming when are we going to get an uprising tour
we got realistic before already

[flat goblet]

Yes

[primal talon]

@crisp shore wich map Was mirage again?

[glass thunder]

this one

[scenic thorn]

Lol

[sweet flax]

quality joke right here

[primal talon]

Ah yes,you have achived comedy

[supple hearth]

I’d much rather see this mirage instead of the one we have in blitz

[daring swan]

Make a map with caves/tunnels

[light aspen]

@frosty nexus @muted ore Hey,i have a issue with tier 8 quick tournament on EU server,already 3rd time when creating a team invites doesnt go thru,players say that they see a notification about invitation but they are not able to find it from anywhere.Sometimes re sending helps,sometimes even then players are not able to accept it

[muted ore]

Hey. I would like to clarify a few points.
Invitations sent to players who are online or not?
Invitations are sent to players who have level 7-8 tanks ?

[light aspen]

For online and offline players who all have requested tier tanks

[muted ore]

Ok, thanks for the information. We'll try to fix it.

[slender harness]

are there any plans for an uprising tournament?

[slate cloud]

last 2 player for tier 8 tournament(EU)

[drifting jetty]

Same thing happened to us Monday. Invites sent, none received

[proud holly]

Are they serisouly going to try to make Canyon a tournament map

[daring swan]

Since when is canyon in the qt map cycle

[slender harness]

since the start of off season first week june

[warm snow]

is it gonna be 8 pys or 6 pys tournies for summer?

[proud holly]

I assume 6 based off the given time span

[graceful jetty]

Idt its going to be pys

[vagrant thicket]

canyon is so wonky to play 😭

[warm snow]

Is the schedule for PYS tournaments gonna be the standard wednesday-thursday and saturday-sunday?

[proud holly]

Info wasn't released yet

[glad sphinx]

Might be bronze silver gold format who knows

[vagrant thicket]

might be dn

[sinful crest]

You’re not funny @vagrant thicket

[vagrant thicket]

oh no!

[proud holly]

I have no idea what the bronze silver format means
or how it works

[supple hearth]

Same

[winter swallow]

An older tournament format that paid out really good in game prizes. It was fairly good at splitting teams/clans by ability.

[proud holly]

So… is it a single elimination bracket?

[limber lintel]

@glad sphinx

so it's bronze-silver-gold, with 8 per group, if I understood correctly

[winter swallow]

https://old.wotblitz.eu/en/news/pc-browser/tournaments/tournament-series-3/

Basically - it was more like a league format. Playing well in bronze got you silver tickets. Playing well in silver got you gold tickets. Playing well in gold got you gold tickets. It was like a rolling series of tournaments that filtered teams progressively by ability. If you finished middle in silver you got silver tickets. If you finished low in gold you got silver tickets. By the end of a particular "season", all the good teams would have gold tickets and be playing gold matches. Middling teams would be in silver and less effective teams would be in bronze.

So say your team starts out - no tickets - you play in Bronze. Place high enough in that 1-2 nights of battles. You earn silver tickets. Next tournament cluster (weekly / a few days away) you enter Silver. You place high enough an earn gold tickets. - same again - a few nights later you're in the gold league. Play well enough and you get to stay there... don't perform so hot, you drop down to silver tickets.

Bronze is open to all. Silver is open to people that did well enough in bronze / keep earning silver tickets in silver league. Gold is open to people that did well enough in silver / keep performing well enough in Gold.

IT WAS A GOOD SYSTEM.

breathes in - breathes out

It was great because rather than each ascent PYS starting with teams like EG- / LOCA / SNTY / BPS- / etc. having to clap a 40% win rate team (assuming that team even shows up) - as the series progressed, matches became more meaningful from the first round.

It was ALSO great because it wasn't exploitable via WR seeding manipulation.

It was not a perfect system, but it was a good one.

To give you an idea how old this system is - it was last used in 2017, which is the last year I properly played tournaments (R-2-K). We made Top 8. Good times.

[glad sphinx]

Hm ty

[thorn shale]

Yea I wouldn’t mind a return to the ticket system of tournaments. I believe it was used in Spring 2018 as well, just a slightly modified ticket system.

[worn marten]

Dear WG, please increase the amount of rewards in quick tournaments.we have just wanted to play some t8 quick tour with friends now, but there s no single team playing at this time.It is evening already in EU but no single team is playing.We have waited such long to find opponent but finally gave up and quit.Please increase the amount of rewards then maybe more players will be interested to join quick tours.

[limber lintel]

the QT rewards are already insane, idk what u mean?
winning tier X tour 5 is like over 500k credits, or am I being slightly braindead here

[worn marten]

then why there is no team playing qt at 5pm? t8 or t10.Nobody is playing.Maybe little bit more rewards would be tempting

[limber lintel]

most teams start around 20CET, that's just the way EU works, somewhere around that time, quite a few people are still eating or having a rest from work, but more credits will not really effect the counts too much I think, it's past that point now

[bronze basin]

what tier is the tourments?

[rose bough]

thx

[minor sierra]

Tier 10 is filled with Unicom teams. It is not fun to join. Tier 8 reward is not good enough. Seaso. Coins reward is better.

[fallow turret]

U still get like 350k for winning t8 on top of what u make in the games cuz 90% of t8 meta is premium tanks

[winter swallow]

Because QTs are not quick and are really, really badly designed.

[remote pelican]

anyone want to play the tournament with me?

[keen cove]

Oke

[ember marlin]

Then how would you rework them
Just curious

[chilly hemlock]

Why even bother with the idea of the tier system? It slows down queues dramatically every stage you advance and after two losses you have to start over which discourages people from playing more.

Why not just make a queue and count the number of series wins? Make the prizing scale based on the number of wins within the 2 hour period. That way teams can play as little or as much as they want, it’s not overly competitive, and it cut slice massive amounts of time out of waiting for matches

Quick tournaments can be just that. Casual, fun, and rapid

[maiden anvil]

this is factual information being spit by pramo man

[flat goblet]

That sounds funny actually. Speedrunning to see how many wins you can rack up. Would teams face each other repeatedly though

[ember marlin]

Idk maybe implement a start searching button so you only start finding a match when you are ready

[patent quartz]

leave me out of that conversation 😂

[slender harness]

does wargaming have an archive for ascent season results from 2018 to now?
i cant find any on forums or the websites

[maiden anvil]

apologies serene man

[chilly hemlock]

I don’t see why not

But it would be decently unlikely if there’s enough teams and everyone keeps insta dropping from queue

[winter swallow]

I'm unsure about how to change but @chilly hemlock suggestion is a HUGE improvement.

Tbh I'd rather more effort went into major tournament series.

[chilly hemlock]

Or a seeding system

[light aspen]

@frosty nexus @muted ore Please can a paying customer get some help with hes bug with tier 8 quick tours in EU ? Players are not able to accept my tour invitations from under messages,it doesnt show the invitation there.Having the issue over a week already and its killing my patience

[worn marten]

yes same is happening to me recently.It doesnt make sense anymore to send invites to offline players. Because they dont see it when they log in game.I am enough of telling them to apply to the team by theirselves

[light aspen]

Even online players who got invited cant see it from under messages.Iam not even able to see the ones who apply by themselves ,the whole system is bugged for me and WG is pushing my nervs with not doing anything even tho ive been talking with them before

[patent quartz]

and idk if being a paying customer will really help as it doesn't give VIP status

[light aspen]

Just wanted to mention that because they are a company whos main focus goes on earning money.Iam not requesting VIP status or any other status,i just want to play the game without having issues.

[chilly hemlock]

@light aspen submit a ticket like everyone else “vip”

Also. Have people apply to teams instead of having the captain invite people. Surprised people haven’t figured this out yet. It’s been an issue for 2-3 years

[thorny edge]

Is Sheridan missile can be use in tournaments?

[surreal hinge]

no

[light aspen]

Mind your own business,i didnt ask or needed your childish answer "mod". And dont you know the channels description? For what is it for? Also peoples applications to join the tour team are not coming thru. Your talking about issue which you dont even know,lol. Ive been playng 11 months and ive had issue with this for over a week..

[chilly hemlock]

Then submit a ticket. The wg staff here are more of managers than devs

[upper oar]

i wonder why you would ask for help in a public channel and then tell people to mind their own business when they give you both the solution and how to properly pass the issue on to WG

[chilly hemlock]

How dare random people respond to my open ended message in a public place without me giving them permission!

[hard anvil]

Any person of WG here which I could ask several questions about the game?

[leaden belfry]

it depends on what you want to ask - this is the Tournament channel

[slim blade]

if it’s about tournaments then no absolutely not

[weak drift]

Can someone explain to me exactly how the 2v2 tourneys works, the brackets, and when the tourney is being played and for how long?

[proud holly]

It explains that in the ingame tourny description . . . .

[weak drift]

yes sorry, i can't read as well as I used 2 lol

[heady ferry]

will WG be giving the PRO avatar to the top 8 teams again?
I can't find much info on this yet

[inner estuary]

🤦‍♂️

[spark pumice]

no this season the PRO avatar will only be available to the top two teams in the lower echelon championship

[untold tinsel]

how do u know this

[heady ferry]

Don’t answer if u gonna give me bull

[spark pumice]

the trees told me

[sinful crest]

@heady ferry literally every season they gave ppl pro avatar for top8, for the exception of summer 2020 because that was a tier 8 tournament, I’m sure they’re giving top8 pro avatars since this tourney is tier ten

[heady ferry]

Alright thanks mate

[sinful crest]

👌🏽

[muted ore]

Hello. Our specialists are now looking for the cause of this problem. We will try to fix it as soon as possible.

[muted ore]

@analog beacon Catapult is the second stage of the tournament "Competitions at the fair!"
Round Robin: 128 teams, 16 groups (8 teams per group).

[hallow sundial]

My Teammates didn’t get an invitation to the 2vs2 Tournament room. @muted ore

[broken mesa]

I am not reciving one either. And now I am getting complains for a missed Tounament battle.

[pastel tartan]

fantastic to see that over 300 battles ended in a technical defeat

[thorn shale]

XDD

[muted ore]

Hello. Please provide the name of the team and the nickname of the player who has not received an invitation.

[rancid hare]

my team just skipped quarterfinals and went to semis. is this a bug? theres 6 other teams competing in quarterfinals. is it just our opponents leaving or what?

[muted ore]

If there is not enough of an opponent for your team, you can go straight to the next round.

[hallow sundial]

@muted ore
Team Name:

Who is candise

Player: Ben_15_

I got in and was ready we didn’t even have an enemy…

[muted ore]

Thank you for the information. We will try to look into the situation.

[austere furnace]

it was the same by me
Team name: Doenerbude
player : xx_cybertech_xx

[hallow sundial]

Thanks...
Btw. Idk if it helps but 1.the person received reports for missing a tournament battle and 2nd He's a pc player. @muted ore

[pure swan]

Gg WARGAMING for your 2v2 tournament only win by life 👏 delete please

[jade hornet]

What are the rules on a tie in 2v2? cuz we lost one with hp advantage and one with hp disadvantage

[gleaming pollen]

Probably the winner is the team with more damage dealt.

[jade hornet]

we tested that one game on 0 dmg both teams, 0 caps. we had hp advantage. still loss

[modest whale]

damage dealt not hp remaining
Edit: I'm dumb lol you said both teams
In that case it's probably random

[gleaming pollen]

Shouldn't it say why you lost the game afterwards in the result screen

[thorn shale]

Do we get kicked out after we lose

[muted knot]

Yup

[thorn shale]

Bruh thats dumb

[supple hearth]

What If Me and my teammate didn’t receive an invantation to the tournament lmao

[terse perch]

I like tournaments. They are fun and exciting

[spark pumice]

hello fellow wot blitz mobile 3D tank shooter game tournament enthusiast!

[burnt glacier]

@jade hornetwe won game with HP advantage
Are you sure that you got it?

[jade hornet]

@gleaming pollen i dont think it showed it but i will check again. @burnt glacier yes they had double full is4 (5620 hp) and we had full maus and kran (5980 hp)

[burnt glacier]

@jade hornetthen WG's math be like:...

[jade hornet]

maybe i made a mistake. thats why i asked here. but no one knows the answer xd

[burnt glacier]

@jade hornetI mean if u spotted them and see HPs that is WG's mistake
We didnt see our enemys all battle, but we knew HP's deferrence

[jade hornet]

we didnt spot them. but we saw their tanks and double is4 highest hp is 5620 so nowhere near maus and kran

[fervent light]

@muted ore @frosty nexus I have a question about the 2v2 tournament that is now being held: How is it determined which team wins when both teams do no damage to each other? Apologies in advance for the ping

[muted ore]

@fervent light Hello. The winner is determined as follows: frags -> damage -> random.

[fervent light]

ah okay! thanks for the quick response

[muted ore]

Unfortunately, some players may see a problem in the game client in which they will not receive notifications or invitations.

Our technical specialists are working on finding the cause for this problem and fixing it.
Unfortunately, we cannot give you a date for fixing this problem right now.

We apologize for any inconvenience.

[sinful crest]

@muted ore will the players who didn’t get an invite have a chance to play? Or is it too late

[muted ore]

Unfortunately, due to technical restrictions, we cannot re-play these battles

[grim shadow]

scroll up a little

[muted ore]

Hi. Priority for victory: frags - > team damage -> random.
Random is only used as a last resort if teams have the same amount of damage, up to one, to determine the winner.

[vagrant thicket]

random as in the victory is awarded randomly to either team? @muted ore

[muted ore]

Right

[daring swan]

Honestly just he someone last second if no one is doing damage

[vagrant thicket]

imo it should be frags > team damage > team hp > random

[burnt glacier]

@muted ore Btw what was problem to use HPs of each team not random?

[muted ore]

teams' xp may differ because of the selected tanks.
In addition, such priorities are valid exactly for tournament battles in "Encounter battle" mode.
Changes may be made at this point in the future.

[burnt glacier]

Bruh... Ye, random is better in this case.
Confusing time from WG employers who decided to make priority to random

[supple hearth]

Imo it should be all random

[burnt glacier]

@supple hearthtrue that
Suitable meta for WG
How to explain seeding? Random
How to explain package loss? Random
And so on

[supple hearth]

Yep

[cobalt pebble]

When does summer season start?